Epstein & Mormon Blood w/ Heidi Luv

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad — “Epstein & Mormon Blood” w/ Heidi Luv
March 12, 2026 | TopLobsta Productions

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad features returning guest Heidi Luv (Unfiltered Rise Podcast) and hosts David L. Corbo (“The Raven”) and Top Lobsta. The conversation dives into explosive connections between Jeffrey Epstein, the obsession with genetics and bloodlines—specifically “Mormon blood”—hidden history within Mormonism, occult practices, spiritual deception, elite conspiracies, and the overlap with high-level genetics projects. The episode mixes comedic skepticism with deep-dive research into the intersections of biblical, conspiratorial, and cultural phenomena.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Why Mormonism Keeps Coming Up

• Bloodlines & Mystique: Heidi returns to further unpack wild claims made in her previous appearance about Mormonism’s hidden occult backdrops, the significance of bloodlines, and their connection to various global elites.
• Mormon Mafia: Both hosts acknowledge a fundamental shift in their view of Mormon influence after learning about things like “the mountain of DNA” and “the Mormon mafia.” (03:01–03:45)
• Pushback & Personal Fallout: Heidi describes backlash and bizarre targeted personal attacks from Mormon community apologists online. She highlights the unique dangers of confronting a religious system from within its own stronghold and the personal cost she’s experienced (children being ostracized, church not excommunicating her, etc.) (07:09–08:50)

2. Epstein, Eugenics & the Mormon Blood Obsession

• DOJ Document Leaks: Heidi details how DOJ-released Epstein files reference a specific desire for “Mormon blood”—not just any blood—citing material from justice.gov. (09:41–11:17)
  • Notable Quote:
    “All she had to do was send him a pint of Mormon blood every week.” — Heidi quoting DOJ doc (11:09)
• Pattern of Elite Mormon Connections: The episode examines patterns, from Howard Hughes’ obsession with blood transfusions sourced from Salt Lake City and ties to the “Mormon mafia,” to current transhumanist elites.
  • Howard Hughes’ blood transfusions came specifically from Salt Lake City—why ship blood far away unless the bloodline matters? (12:44–13:10)
• Genealogical Architecture: Ancestry and the large-scale preservation of DNA, specifically by the LDS Church, forms a backdrop for possible eugenic programs—“a literal mountain of DNA.” (25:11–25:36, 35:52–36:41)

3. Bloodlines, Presidents, and the First Families

• Royal Line Pedigrees: The Mormon Church’s own materials boast a genealogical chart connecting Joseph Smith to royalty and emphasize the literal significance of tribal lineage. (16:20–17:36)
• Connections Across Elites: Many US presidents and industrialists (e.g., Howard Hughes, the Gates family) are linked to original “pilgrim” bloodlines like the Howland family. The episode notes that this is not incidental—these “first families” are important “to them,” if not to the layman. (17:52–19:00)
• Transhumanism & Living Vampirism: The group discusses people like Bryan Johnson—transfusing 17-year-old son’s blood for rejuvenation and their social/neural connections to Epstein, even after Epstein’s conviction. (19:41–20:59)

4. Genetics, CRISPR, and Occult Preservation

• Howard Hughes Medical Institute & Genome Projects: The HHMI essentially funded early genetic research, including the Human Genome Project—rooted in Utah and linked to both Mormons and major philanthropic influencers (e.g., Bill Gay, Bill Gates). (23:23–32:52)
• Worldwide Genetic Influence: Utah’s 13 core Mormon families became the de facto “Rosetta Stone” of modern global genetic study. (94:00–95:10)
  • Notable Quote:
    “The DNA from the original 13 families became the Rosetta Stone of human genetics...they still go back to the Ceph, Utah samples.” — Heidi (94:37)

5. Occult Practices & Spiritual Technology

• Necromancy & Objects: The hosts review ceremonial items (serpent and coffin canes with hair of Joseph Smith, blood atonement practices), noting that what’s considered “magic” in other contexts is present and museum-displayed by the LDS Church. (61:07–61:35)
• Temple Rituals, Magic & Alien Overlap: Heidi argues top-level Mormon rituals mirror Typhonian (ancient, pre-Abrahamic) and solomonic magic, channeling “entities,” and serving as a kind of necromancy or spirit invocation, with analogues to hybridization at the heart of alien “disclosure” phenomena. (46:17–47:29, 52:05–56:03)

6. Elite Networks & Endgame Theorizing

• Financial & Political Networks: Connections between Mormon elite, JP Morgan, Howard Hughes, the Rothschilds, Skull & Bones, Teamster Union (Las Vegas), and both US and global power brokers.
• Seat-Warming & Replacement Theories: The show speculates Jews in Israel might be placeholders (“seat-warmers”) for future elite claims—perhaps by the Mormons, Vatican, or other hidden families. (98:07–98:21)
  • Notable Quote:
    “What does Rothschild mean? It means Red Shield…a placeholder for somebody else to be protected.” — Heidi (98:21)

7. PsyOp, Vindication & Psychological Fallout

• Epstein as Narrative Plot Device: David predicts the Epstein files will only emerge for public when strategic for elite narratives—a tool for world stage “shake-ups.” (53:36–54:38)
• Truth, Exposure, and Spiritual Warfare: The group encourages listeners not to lose hope or fall into despair/existential confusion when confronted by massive, validating disclosures (“season of vindication” can quickly become a season of overwhelming confusion). (77:12–78:07)
  • Notable Quote:
    “If you don’t know, it is easy to be deceived. I didn’t know, and I was deceived...God already is going to win. If this helps somebody, that’s what I care about.” — Heidi (80:23)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• “For my youngest daughter to attend blank, all she had to do was send him a pint of Mormon blood every week.” (Heidi, sharing from DOJ files – 11:10)
• “You have...a mountain of DNA. They don't have a mountain of DNA in Israel!” (Top Lobsta – 34:09)
• “It’s a season of confusion if you’re not rooted in the Lord.” (David – 77:21)
• Regarding elite blood obsessions: “If it didn’t mean something, why would you do it? It has to mean something.” (Heidi – 46:17)
• On occult items: “The wooden cane has hair embedded in the knob…from the coffins holding the Smith brothers… this is necromancy, right?” (David – 61:29)
• “Moroni cannot be an angel because he lived. He was alive and he said so. So that makes him a spirit.” (Heidi – 65:56)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• 00:00–04:45: Opening, guest intro, and setting the stakes: why Mormonism and bloodlines matter
• 09:41–14:56: DOJ Epstein files, Mormon blood in elite interests, Howard Hughes’ connections
• 16:20–19:00: Mormon genealogical charts, “One royal line,” pilgrim family links
• 23:13–25:44: Human Genome Project, genetic research, and hidden Mormon influence
• 34:09–36:41: The physical “mountain of DNA,” LDS vault security and the Ancestry enterprise
• 43:46–45:25: Romneys, Hefner, and elite blackmail operations
• 46:17–52:03: Blood rites, necromancy, LDS temple rituals, Typhonian magic, spiritual warfare
• 61:07–62:07: Church relics, necromantic “cane” artifacts
• 94:00–95:10: Utah’s Mormon families as a genetic Rosetta Stone, importance for global science
• 107:13–108:05: Ongoing revelations: elite networks connecting Mormon, banking, and tech empires

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FINAL THOUGHTS & TAKEAWAYS

• The episode contends the Mormon Church, through centuries of secretive, interconnected “first families,” sits at the crossroads of modern genetics, elite transhumanist eugenicists (i.e., Epstein, Hughes), occult ritualists, and spiritual technologists.
• For these elites, “bloodlines” are not just religious symbolism but the literal material for building, preserving, and weaponizing power—and they have built mountains to keep it.
• The battle is interpreted not only as political or biological, but spiritual—with the show's message: stay rooted in Christ, expose evil, and don’t be overwhelmed when vindication is accompanied by new confusion.
• Heidi Luv’s research and testimony is both a warning and a call for further exposure as the world edges toward more public “disclosure”—not just of aliens or conspiracies, but perhaps the true seat of global power.

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Heidi Luv (Unfiltered Rise) can be found at:
UnfilteredRisePodcast.com

Nephilim Death Squad:
Stay curious. Stay dangerous.

Transcript

[Top Lobster]

We got Top Lobster Productions. In the shadows of the ancient ones.

[Heidi Love]

They never went away. They're still here today.

[David Lee Corbo]

When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack them. Welcome bla ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder, guys. Patreon.com is a great place to be if you want early access to episodes ad free listening experiences as well as unedited versions. And take us to Bohemian Grove whenever the hell that happens. We were supposed to working it out. We were supposed to have a meeting today about it. And then, and then the person that was going to meet us, they bailed. And so. But we're still tentatively laboring trying to make Bohemian Grove happen. It will. And tickets will be there first. Also, discount codes off of merchandise from Top lobster dot com. Where's the moon map shirt? We have a little moon map sign hiding at the bottom of the table here. I don't know if anybody can see that, but check that one out.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we still got our moon map shirt for sale. Go out there. Don't forget that Steve did us dirty and that's fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

But we got it back. We got it back and we've, we've come full circle now, guys. Joining us today is Heidi Love. The return of Heidi Love Heidi. Before we get into this conversation, really fascinating one because you've been at the cutting edge of a bunch of research surrounding Epstein, his obsession with, with Mormon blood and a number of other things that connect to it. I can't wait to get into that. But let's tell everybody first and foremost where they can find you and find your work.

[Heidi Love]

Awesome. Well, thanks for having me back, guys. It's been a long time. We'll talk about that. But I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise podcast. I'm everywhere podcaster served. I do have my own website, Unfiltered Rise podcast.com but most of my work is going to be on Spotify. So just so you guys know that over 200 something episod there, this has a bunch of backlinks, bio, all the things that you might need to know about me. So yeah, that's where I'm at.

[David Lee Corbo]

One more time.

[Heidi Love]

What.

[David Lee Corbo]

What is that website?

[Heidi Love]

Unfiltered RisePodcast.com Awesome.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome. Yeah, I saw that was the. The occult backdrops to Mormonism, which seems to be the gift that keeps on giving. There's so much wild stuff in Mormonism. You know, previous to our last discussion, I kind of thought if you asked me how. I don't know how tied in Mormons are or. Or how big of an influence Mormonism

[Top Lobster]

is, I would have said zero.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would have said zero. Yeah. I. I really didn't think about it at all. And then after talking to you, finding about the mountain of DNA and all these other things, their connection.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Ancestry.

[Top Lobster]

Which in our defense, is why we had to have somebody come back on that. They were like, wait a second.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, we had a couple of.

[Top Lobster]

And I said, because the things that you told me about Mormonism, I was like, it's just too insane to all be completely true. And not to say that you're lying, but to say that. To say that I guess Mormonism itself, even just like the basic core tenets of the religion.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Were insane. And I was like, yes. When you came on and you told us what apparently. And I'll.

[David Lee Corbo]

When you say Mormon mafia, even I'm like, what? Mormon?

[Top Lobster]

That's legit.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it's very legit.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the thing, Heidi, I'm not. I'm going to be real with you. I've had a lot of, like, skirmishes with Mormons since.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. Falling out with them.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, they'll come for you. Yeah, they're gonna come for you.

[Top Lobster]

They came for me hardcore over. I don't even remember what I did, but everything you said was kind of true. And then the people that we had come on, they're a friend of the show. I don't even know if he listens anymore.

[David Lee Corbo]

They.

[Top Lobster]

He's like, I have to rebut that. And I was like, yeah, sure. I feel like that's fair. I feel like it's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If we have, like, I mean, a very hard hitting.

[David Lee Corbo]

What would you call it? It's a very. There's a word for it. It's just not a good look for the Mormons. After Heidi stepped off the show, it was horrific. It's not good look for the Mormons at all.

[Top Lobster]

I was like, listen, this is. This is not a Mormon show, but I do want to hear the counter side to this. And I heard it, and I'll be honest, when the episode ended, I was like, thanks a lot. I looked at David, I said, I think less of this religion now that I've heard the explanation from the people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

That were like. That were countering what you were saying.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was kind of.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. I want to Say, like, the, the frustration I had wasn't with the rebuttal that he did. He took a bunch of my shows after this, and I don't know if you guys know this, and he went on Rumble or somewhere and he made his own channel of just dissecting every word I said and talking about my appearance and weird stuff. So I don't have a problem with people rebutting anything I say, but when it gets personal and then pausing it every five minutes, it gets weird.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's why I didn't know that. Well, what we said before the show started was, you know, it's. It's one thing. We have a foot in the comedy realm. Right. So when you're talking about comedy and you're making jokes and everything, like, that's kind of a dangerous place to be, but right now it is. People's faith matters in a way that maybe it hasn't mattered, at least on the world stage in a long time. In a. In a really long time, as the world gets crazier, you find that worship and faith and God matter more and more. And so that's a dangerous game to play. And, and you know, the content that you make, Heidi, is directly about that. That's what our show is about. And I think that maybe, unsurprisingly, we're going to find in the, in the coming days that as we go forward in time, it becomes increasingly more obvious how much of a dangerous. So my point is it ruffles some feathers. It ruffles some feathers. So.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, not like defending. I don't. I don't even know what he said.

[Heidi Love]

No, you're good. Yeah, it was weird. You guys weren't a part of it. He took the recorded episode, like, screen recorded it or something, and went through it, like, line by line by line by line with his significant other. It was just awkward and weird. So I, I welcome people to fact check me. I also love jokes. I think jokes are funny. So, yeah, none of that is what offended me at all. I just didn't know what was going on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you've. You've put yourself in a. In a unique position, more so than we have, in that you have not only, you know, do you have a strong belief in God, but you've pivoted and faced an entire community, an entire religion, which is Mormonism, and you're standing against it now. That's a very state. What you've kind of done, Heidi, is you pointed and you've identified an enemy, right?

[Heidi Love]

Yes, I did. And I Live here. And it's a little more personal for me, obviously, because I'm still here. And people still don't let their kids play with my kids. And people know what I do. And, you know, the church still doesn't want to excommunicate me, which is bizarre to me. I am still on their church records. I kept waiting for the day they chucked me out. They never did. And everybody else I know that talks crap like this gets thrown out. And I'm waiting. I wanted my day. I could have removed myself. But then you don't get your day. I wanted to tell them exactly what I thought and why.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, you mean to say that they would have called you and offered you an opportunity to stand in front of their congregation and. And, you know, kind of state your

[Top Lobster]

piece, air your grievance.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

In front of, you know, the top level men, whoever they choose. Yeah. Only men they. They call a disciplinary council. And I would be disciplined. And I wanted to tell them exactly why I thought the way I thought.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's very similar to Jehovah's Witnesses in that you will stand before a council of whomever you know is there.

[Top Lobster]

Are there nine?

[David Lee Corbo]

The Council of Nine.

[Heidi Love]

I gotta find out. Yeah. I can't remember.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was waiting.

[Heidi Love]

I mean, I would tell you if they would call me, but they just. Yeah, and that makes me even more so. Believe that bloodlines matter. Because I work with a lot of people, lds, abus abuse. He does a lot of work, Justin. He believes in the faith still. And they excommunicated him. I work with another guy. He believes in the faith still. They excommunicated him. And I'm like, I don't believe. And I. I'm calling you out and I'm still waiting.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's fascinating. That is fascinating. Okay, so. So you've already touched on the idea of bloodlines. Now, when we were saying before that you've identified an enemy and you're standing in front of them in the same state that they're rooted in nonetheless, and this is a dangerous position for you to be in. Well, now it gets a layer more dangerous with the release of the Epstein files from the doj. Heidi, you're one of the few people I've seen shouting about this bit of content that's inside these files. And it seems to point to. We know that Epstein was obsessed with genetics and eugenics and all these different things. And it seems that there is a major interest in Mormon. Mormon blood. I don't even know how else to put this. I mean, I've not looked at this, Heidi. I've seen you talking about it.

[Top Lobster]

Well, is it just Mormon blood or is it everyone's blood? Because I feel like they have a mountain full of stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

They got a mountain full of blood.

[Heidi Love]

Well, they do have stuff, but they specifically reference. And so I can pull up my screen if you guys want me to share what I brought for you today. Yeah, I. I was very surprised. And you know, the first thing I like to do when I see something wild come out is a vet it. You know, that's. I mean, obviously. And then B, I go through and I try. And it's going to be a thousand screens for just a second. I try to see what I can find about the names that are coming up or whatever's mentioned, you know, go from there. And I try really hard not to disinformation, because I think that's important. But I also think it's important to share what we do find. And so I have found some stuff and it was weird. So, yeah, here's the first one. I don't know if you can see that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, okay, I see. Justice.gov so this is straight from the DOJ releases, correct?

[Heidi Love]

Yep. Yep. And then. So this is says at first Jeffrey was furious, but I pointed out that by staggering daughters every eight years, he would have a supply of ripe girls at his disposal. He bought me a house and got my oldest daughter into blank, which is Pro. It's BYU, by donating 50,000 to their gender studies program. Don't forget that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

For my youngest daughter to attend blank, and all she had to do was send him a pint of Mormon blood every week. So that sounds like important piece.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, that sounds like a. Almost like a joke. Right?

[Top Lobster]

You get it?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, well, how she got it is one thing, but this, this. This is coming from a mother who's talking about, you know, I guess she kind of like loves Epstein. Right. I have perused this entry in the DOJ files. Yeah. And. And this is coming from somebody who.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it seems like they basically sold their daughter to Epstein. This person, if I remember the context, seems to love Jeffrey Epstein.

[Heidi Love]

I saw that weirdness and I was like, what's going on here? And I'm gonna flick through these really quick. But, you know, the first thing I did was say, what other guy do I know that was really rich associate with, you know, rich people that were Mormons? And Howard Hughes came to my mind. So I started looking up about Howard Hughes and blood, and sure enough, the first thing pops Up. And I just thought, you've got to be kidding me. But it says it's because it's during a major medical crisis. Hughes transfusions were supplied by a laboratory in Salt Lake City. This facility was run by Dr. Homer C. Clark, a clinical pathologist and one of the few doctors allowed to regularly even access Howard Hughes because he was crazy that way. But the connection is, is this was brothers of executives and brothers of even Bill Gay, who was very important in the Mormon mafia. And they actually got. I can vet this one. Because they got in trouble for transferring the blood across state lines, which is a very strange thing to do if you're having an emergency. Right? Emergency, yeah. Then you don't wait for blood from a state or two away. Why would you do that?

[Top Lobster]

Also, this. My brain would go. If you got caught transferring blood, like were you driving it in your car? How many times have you done this until you got caught?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And they. They got caught and they got in trouble, like actually on, you know, medical boards and whatnot. So, you know, this is stating all these different things. And I just think it's really important when we look at this stuff to not forget we have weird people in this world that do weird things. And we're going to get more into the genetics, into other things. Like Dr. Cooney comes up. Well, at least Cooney. One of the emails says from one Cooney island baby to another, that's a direct reference to, you know, these cabbage babies. Cabbage babies?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, Cooney. It's a play on words as well. Is he talking to Epstein?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, they're going back and forth a different. It's not a Cooney that says it, but this. This is from, you know, the Cooney babies that they showed in the World's Fair. They're the. This was a whole display.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, because he was something about Epstein that most people don't know. He was born in Seagate, Brooklyn, which is right inside of. Of Coney Island. So Coney.

[Heidi Love]

Okay, Coney. And Cooney was specific. It was two O's for this genetics whole thing. But this even caught me. This is real. This is from CNN, the Venus Project. An invoice from researcher mentioned 160,000 project dubbed the Venus Project, which Epstein claimed would involve 200 participants. So he fully like backs this whole thing to make genetics of facial features. Okay. They are customizing people and it's all over. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right. So I want to pull this back for a second because immediately my. My thought is, well, the Mormons are, you know, it's like any other religion where you, you, you become Mormon. And I suppose that within it, obviously, or else this wouldn't be being brought up right now, there is a bloodline, and I guess that is the upper echelon of. Of Mormonism.

[Heidi Love]

I could show you that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, let's. Let's get into that a little bit, because that's very. I mean, why would you want the blood of Mormons?

[Heidi Love]

I can explain that a little bit, I think. So this is put out, and I can't zoom it in too well. They have ob. This. I have looked everywhere for these pedigree charts. They used to sell them at the bookstore. And, you know, I got this from a listener that sent it to me. You can find it on Ancestry, but it won't take a clear photo. And so this is called one royal line. And this is made by Archibald Bennett. And this used to be what the church would put like to basically state that they were royalty. And when they say they're Jews, like people. And I don't want people getting mad at me, they. They say that, you know, when they say this stuff, they mean it. They don't mean it by baptism. And if you could see on here, you know, Joseph Smith is on this, obviously. Joseph Smith.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, I see. Is he. What's underlined there?

[Heidi Love]

Yep, yep, he's tagged here. And so. And if you could see this. This is the Star of David, and it says from this line, king shall rule. And it's all goes back to Adam. And. And I want people to understand how important this is to Mormons. Like, you can say it's baloney. You can say whatever you want, but when we get into the genetics pit, like, come on, you know, they, They've done a lot with it. And in fact, they did studies on Mormons. 13 families from Utah. Isn't that funny? 13. Anyway. Yeah, well, the 12 tribes of Israel,

[David Lee Corbo]

plus one, really bolster that claim then. If Epstein is. I mean, it's one thing if Epstein is checking, you get. You get a. You get a glass of Mormon blood or whatever the case may be. And I'm sure after some rigorous testing, you. You either put that to bed or you find that there's something compelling there, and so you keep doing it. So top when you said, how often are they, you know, trafficking blood, Mormon blood across state lines? It's very unlikely that the time that you were caught was the only time that you were doing it. So it's fair to assume that this has happened a multitude of times.

[Heidi Love]

Well, and this Chart. So if you can see this, you know how the girl did the, the chart about all the presidents being really.

[David Lee Corbo]

I remember that. That was very funny. Yeah, that was right. Obama is related to George Bush Jr. And all this other crap. And people were like, oh, isn't that cute? The little girl did it.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Well, guess what? This is why so many of these people are connected. So this right here is, is a Howland family chart. So Howland came over on the original Mayflower and he has many, many descendants in America. But the first families, they call them the First Families are very important to them. To me, no, but to them, yes. And if you see the Smith line is right here. Yes. He is related as I am to all the presidents mostly. I mean, I think there's one or two that are not. So is Howard Hughes. So is a whole bunch of people as this spiders out. And it's very interesting when we look further into this, like why certain people like the gates align, they say, oh no, no we aren't. Yes they are. I have about 50 slides coming on a show that are going to show people exactly how the gates are and they'll tell you, oh yes, we're related to, you know, Howlands, because they want that, you know, nod pilgrim society stuff and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. So this is old.

[Top Lobster]

Are you, are you making the assumption that these are the original 13 tribes?

[Heidi Love]

I mean, I'm not, but they might be this. No, but the ones that they did a DNA research project on, maybe they did a full research project on Mormons in Utah and I have the backing for that as well. And it just gets really weird. We have geneticists this involved, we have people that have gotten in trouble and, and we've got other people like this weirdo. Here, let me show you this guy. Sorry I called you. He's weird. I don't care. This multi millionaire guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude, this guy's so weird, right?

[Heidi Love]

And he's trans. He's transferring his blood from his 17 year old son into his grandfather and he's a Mormon.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this guy was comparing his erection to his son's erection.

[Top Lobster]

Now I recognize the guy.

[Heidi Love]

Oh wa. Nothing says, Nothing says I'm creepy like this picture.

[David Lee Corbo]

Good lord.

[Heidi Love]

No. Yeah, he comes up, comes up in the Epstein files.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh really?

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I remember hearing about this. What was his, what was his?

[Heidi Love]

Brian Johnson. And he, I'm not saying he did anything wrong, Brian, but you know, you're in there because you made a rebuttal, so. And he says, well I just talked to him once and I didn't know. No. After Epstein was convicted, he also contacted him again. So he is aware. And continued. He continued. And he makes this rebuttal right here and states that he met him, you know, eight years ago, and he was so spooked and, oh, he was weird and dangerous and whatever. Look, fine, but then why did you continue to contact him after he was convicted? That is my question for you, Brian.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, any. Anybody that is having a working relationship with Epstein post 2008.

[Heidi Love]

Not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not a good look. Not a good look. No. It's fair to attribute malice to that individual until proven otherwise, especially if it's a. If it's some sort of a working relationship. You know, we found out that Rupert Sheldrake was being funded by him, which was a huge bummer because that guy does some really fascinating research on the psychic phenomenon in. In ways that are tangible and observable just by everybody in their own everyday life. And. But that dude was receiving funding from, like, 2015 to 2018, which is well after the first conviction and pretty inexcusable.

[Heidi Love]

It looks bad. Yeah. And this guy. I'm sorry, if you're trying to get the Fountain of Youth, it's not working. Your hair transplant is good. A. I mean, maybe not. Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean. Oh, yeah, this is him over the years.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. It's not working.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a scary. That's a Fountain of demons.

[Top Lobster]

He does look younger. Yeah. Not in a great way.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, he doesn't look younger. He looks more ghastly. Like he looks like an immortal sort of, you know, vampiric character. Yes.

[Heidi Love]

Because facial fat is the, you know, marker for youth usually, typically.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is funny to deviate just for a brief second.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

For the audience sake. We had that episode that we did where, you know, Jim Carrey comes up and. And he's got this thing where he looks like a different human being. And.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And we said that it looked like John Malkovich playing Jim Carrey. And we didn't freak out.

[Top Lobster]

Far off.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, not far off. We didn't freak out. He's been cloned or he's been murdered. We just said, this looks like a. We even joked around and said, if you were rich and you didn't want to go to a red carpet event, couldn't you just pay another celebrity to, like, put on a mask of you and go and do the thing? Like, that would actually be kind of fun and funny. So that was our take on it. And then it turns out it was a. It was a promo for a movie that he's got. Coming up in 2027, where he did have a fake dude appear as him. So, you know, I just want to say, like, we just, we do a good job of not freaking out on this show. We don't slap the, the, you know, the clone button too often or the he's dead button too often.

[Top Lobster]

Can I ask you something, Heidi? When those guys were. When they were pulled over for transporting this blood, were they headed to New Mexico?

[Heidi Love]

Ooh, they were headed to Nevada because that's where he did all of his stuff at that point. And, you know, I do want people to understand about Howard Hughes Medical Institute and how critical they are to genetics. It says right down at the bottom, you know, how much the medical research is important. But crispr, even though it's in a roundabout way, because they make sure everything is. Was originally capped here. Okay. Crisper funding and crisper people. And Jack Parsons worked for Howard Hughes and all of these people. Uhhuh. And their biomedical research. So. And then as soon as they got this done, here's the board. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Group of vampires.

[Heidi Love]

Yes, absolutely. 100. Look at the front guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know. They're horrifying looking people.

[Heidi Love]

100%. Yeah. It's spooky. And it says Hugh's decision would have powerful consequences when he's like changing what kind of business he has and how it's funded and whatnot for biomedical research. After the establishment of the institute, a select group of advisors are the ones that took over and kicked him off his own board. They don't mention that part.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know that when we talk about bloodlines and everything, you would imagine that obviously after we come upon it, we realize this is really significant and important. It just meant we, in the sort of conspiracy theorists sense, right, the general conspiracy theory population, you come across the significance of bloodlines and you imagine, well, there has to be quite a bit of resources and manpower put into finding, isolating, sort of continuing these bloodlines, right? The research that goes into it, the preservation and all these different things. And then you look over at the Mormons and it's like, not only is there this huge claim to being of these lines, but then you look over and it's like, well, what are they doing? Mountains of DNA, right?

[Heidi Love]

Ancestry, Literal mountain.

[David Lee Corbo]

It looks like you go, oh, there it is. That's the effort.

[Top Lobster]

Here's what gives me pause because there's a lot going on there, right? They. They have the DNA and they have the DNA technology, and they also have this motive to, I guess, pin. Pin this up. Pin Themselves as a certain type of person. On the other hand, you have the Jews, the Ashkenazi Jews that are in Israel who won't take this stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, right.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's illegal to have 23andMe unless it's, like, a medical emergency in Israel. So I don't know. What do you make of that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's. That's a great question.

[Heidi Love]

Well. Well, that. That there's a couple places they won't. And France as well, where they won't let these tests fly. Okay. And so there is also, you know, a whole thing about that on here, saying, we refunded your money, blah, blah, blah, because they won't work there to the Saudi prince. That's interesting. But whatever the case may be, like, I just feel like they don't want to nail down those bloodlines that they think are bloodlines of the gods. We know how this plays out. I mean, your name for your actual, you know, podcast has it in it. I mean, I don't think they went for Gilgamesh and all the things they did under Clinton for no reason, you know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. What I'm wondering is, is where does this. Where does this all go? You know, at some point, once you identify that this is, let's say, the genetic lineage of. Of, you know, these four mentioned characters, well, then you would go into preservation and. And propagation mode.

[Top Lobster]

You'd go into. Well, at some point, right. Like, they have to make the claim, because right now the Jews are claiming that they're the people. So it's. Are the Mormons positioning themselves to make this claim at a certain point?

[Heidi Love]

I mean, they already have made the claim that they came here for the new Zion. That's what Utah is called. This is. You know, they support Israel. They always have. It's in their. Their articles of faith. And that's one of them, is that they, you know, 100 will be supporting that. And also, you know, the reason why Salem, which is where Joseph Smith's paternal family comes from, was named such. Right. So many places here in America were named after this. And this goes to a grand conspiracy, right? Like, this goes to the grand conspiracy of Bacon. Like, honestly. And. And for that, I'm glad I put this in here. This slide here talks about it. Now, this. I can't. I can't vet this because this is old. Okay. But I do want to go over it, because, funny enough, I think it plays forward a little bit. And Dartmouth comes up, and there's connections there. But John D. Is one of my great, great, great uncles. And not because my grandma told me so. It's because I've looked it up through all my tests. I did all the things. Ancestry 23, I did all that. So this says. Yeah, and they're bringing up a new Rosicrucian order in these emails. Okay, well, this states John Dee also invented or involved in the Rosicrucian order. He was a German Rosicrucian order called the Zionitic Brotherhood. Now I know people are going to say this was debunked and whatever, but we still need to look at it because here's some strange things. Okay. In the 1900s, what is Belgium having existed as the Order of Zion for centuries, the headquarters in a village of Mormont. M O R O M O N T. I've double checked this. That is a place in Belgium. And it, it is pronounced.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because it actually said. Yes, it's pronounced Mormon.

[Heidi Love]

And so the Melchizedek priesthood, right, with this whole three priories of the order named Peter, James and John. The order was still existent in 1829 in Pennsylvania when Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery claimed to receive the priesthood from Peter, James and John. That's what they said in Pennsylvania. They do say that they received the Melchizedek priesthood as a restoration movement from Peter, James and John. So that's interesting if they're actually in this order. Okay, that is very strange. And when we get into, you know, Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Look, I know how it sounds, but the Mormons went crazy for this. And so we have to look at everything and especially John Dee and some secret Rosicrucian papers that were supposedly smuggled onto the Mayfl hour. And Joseph Smith has seven relatives on the ship of a hundred where most of them didn't make it. So does his wife, by the way. They were cousins.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, wait, wait, let's rewind for a second. You said the Mormons were obsessed with what? The. The Holy Grail?

[Heidi Love]

Yes, Holy Blood. The movie Holy Blood. Holy Grail, Yes. There's books been written about this. There's all kinds of comments constantly from the church stating, you know, we have that blood flowing through our veins like a trump quote weirdness. They say that Jesus went on and married two Marys and a Martha and you know, that he birthed children. And Joseph Smith himself claimed that he was of that lineage. And they did some weird things with this. And this is where those 13 Mormon families come up. Because this guy right here, his name is Hugo Perego, he was the one to go through and actually find Joseph Smith's Lineage by going to each of his relatives at, like, family reunions and stuff and swabbing their DNA. And he has actually nailed down Joseph Smith's paternal line, which goes back to a king. And he's a Celtic king.

[Top Lobster]

Is he. Is this guy's position probably Mormonism or.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, he's a Mormon. Oh, he's all kinds of Mormon. Let me show this picture here, where. And he's obviously important because they let him be at this little, like, temple thing, and he's standing right next to the picture of Moroni. And so, I mean, he's dialed in, you know, and he's comes up in other places in this. And he comes up with funding. He comes up with George Church. And George Church comes up at a place in Utah called the Alta Club, which is where the Human Genome Project was brought to life.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow.

[Heidi Love]

And I have that slide. Yeah. As soon as they got Howard Hughes's money, they started the Human Genome Project. And the people that helped start that. Let me see if I can find that. It's interesting, I'll tell you, because Howard Hughes Medical Institute is all over this, and there is so much money. People don't understand quite how much money there is with this. And Bill Gay comes up again and again, and he is the top guy that takes over Howard Hughes Medical Institute after the death of Howard Hughes. And so. And I dare say before they.

[David Lee Corbo]

They've managed to keep this under wraps. I mean, there's so many things that are pretty out in the open when it comes to conspiracy theory. And. And, you know, I just reminded me, because she's saying Bill Gay, and it's, you know, every. It's one letter away from Bill Gates, and I'm.

[Heidi Love]

Bill Gates comes up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Of course he does.

[Heidi Love]

But Bill Gates and Bill Gates have a picture together.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow.

[Heidi Love]

Want to see it? Here, hold on. Yeah, on this one, I'll wait on

[David Lee Corbo]

this one about all these other things. And it's like, man, this Mormon aspect has really managed to stay pretty well obfuscated, despite how many familiar faces are associated with it and how big of an operation it is. And. Good God.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, he looks horrible.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Demon. That was next to Lex Wexner.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, right? His dybbuk. It's his dybbuk.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, my goodness.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, my gosh. And the Gates always say, no, no, no, we're not related. We're not related. We're not related. And I'm like, yes, you. Picture of the Mack family. And I don't know if I have it on this slide. I'll find it. But it's side by side with Bill Gates and I mean, you couldn't tell them apart.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's crazy.

[Top Lobster]

It's really sad to say, but it's almost like they've done. They've created a lack, a laughing. They've made themselves into a laughing stock on purpose in order to hide out in the open. So like that whole South Park Book of Mormon thing, the, the Broadway play and all that, I wouldn't, I mean, listen, if we're going to just dive full into consideration, let's go. Yeah, yeah, maybe. I mean, if I were Mormons, I would have wanted them to do that. So that way it obscures my, like what I'm actually doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Because I almost want to say that generally speaking, in the west, even Jews

[Top Lobster]

don't practice some of their stuff out as outright as Mormons are doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, the Jews don't have a mountain of DNA, I don't think. What are these horrifying characters?

[Heidi Love]

Let's, let's not forget they have to tell us. You, you said they have to tell us. Right. And American Horror Story did. She had these kids hooked up to lines in American Horror Story.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And you know, they were her, I don't know, her blood kids. You know, that's just the way it is. And then we got this guy coming out that he was Diddy's blood boy right here. And I have.

[David Lee Corbo]

Boy, this dude. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

What? Yep, yep. That's real. Yep, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Remember, what was that guy's name? He was like, I was just giving him blood. Well, yeah, yeah. And this is what's crazy is we always say like Joe Rogan's the new Laurel Canyon. Rogan was really introducing that idea to the public of like, oh, well, there's these really fascinating studies where they take blood from young mice. Yeah. And they put them into.

[Heidi Love]

I have that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, interesting. And, and I go, man, like now knowing what I know, I, I realize that Rogan, you know, you think about the, the John C. Lilly float tanks and the DMT and the now the, the, the young mice blood into the old mice. All this stuff, it feels so like a soft disclosure or like a normalization of these really high level concepts that, yeah. If you knew what they ultimately amount to, you'd, you'd be horrified. You'd pull away from it. But within the context of like, well, it's about rejuvenating and these. We're just. Look at, look at these fascinating experiments.

[Top Lobster]

This is kind of what they're asking, what they're doing with the blood. So I guess what we. What we do know on surface level is that they're kind of like putting it in. In themselves through interfusion. So they're like spinning it, rejuvenating and putting into themselves a lot more.

[David Lee Corbo]

So vampires. Yes.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, medically speaking. Yeah. And when you say, you know, oh, they have a whole mountain of DNA, let's not forget that. We're not kidding. Okay. This is a mountain that they blew out. The center of that has razor wire pointing inward. Why, there's armed guards with semi automatic weapons. And this is. Let's see, let's go from further away. This is inaccessible to the public. This is here in Utah. Yep. This is crazy. And Bill Gay was a big part of why this happened. But why would you need this kind of level of security for files?

[David Lee Corbo]

Just what do they think about.

[Top Lobster]

Because. Because what are you guarding from the inside is a better question.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's a couple of questions. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Heidi Love]

Gates. They figured it out. I mean, I think they figured out a lot of things. You know, we look at these Mormon people like this. This is a very. Oh, no, this is a very prominent 70s family that starts with an O's house when it got sold.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is that a drain on the floor?

[Heidi Love]

You know, I think it is. And this is just their shower room. I'm not alleging anything.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, the whole shower's like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Terrifying shower. Who wants to take whatever.

[Top Lobster]

But look at this room of. What's his name? The Vanderbilt.

[Heidi Love]

Look at this table. Yeah, look at this table too. This is Epstein Island. Look at this table. Does that look familiar to you?

[David Lee Corbo]

Sacrificial altar.

[Heidi Love]

And it's that kind of material that you could wipe easily. And people are going to say, well, it's tropical. Look, I'm just saying he has a shower room too. And I have a photo of it

[David Lee Corbo]

that anybody who's saying. Who's like giving a plausible deniability for a giant stone table like that On

[Top Lobster]

Epstein island, there were emails to Epstein's contractor. Remember the guy Gary or something?

[David Lee Corbo]

It was a Gary.

[Top Lobster]

He's a Gary. We need stuff that wipes clean.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. We needed to be able to like, I want to be able to power wash it, not lose material when the power washer hits it. But also it's got to come off easy.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Why? Like, but why? Yeah, and we get into that but why? And it's kind of terrifying. And I mean, I even have a video of the boy, the son of the guy, which by the way, to Transfuse this kid for his grandpa at 17 is illegal. I don't care if your parent says that's okay or not, that's still illegal, you know, and so, I mean, you know, whatever the courts want to do with that and allegedly, allegedly. But I'm just saying I would think that wouldn't be something you could do.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this guy, Brian Johnson is a rough looking character, by the way. I think, Heidi, you actually posted some more of the conversation from that, that woman who happens to love Epstein. And this is going to be a little bit of a rough listen for the audience, but this comes straight from your, your Twitter page, which I highly recommend people go and find you at Unfiltered Rise on Twitter. It's a file from the DOJ drops.

[Top Lobster]

By the way, Heidi, you're crushing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, absolutely crushing. It's cool to see you.

[Top Lobster]

We've been watching you from afar. I just saw you were doing some IRL stuff too. I'm like, it's, it's really cool to see the people that, like, I don't know if we started at the same time, but we were kind of all at the same level for a little while and everyone is kind of doing their own thing in their own spheres but like really taking steps forward and it's, it's encouraging to see.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Heidi Love]

Yes. Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah, it's cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

So she says. Still, I wanted more for. This is. This is the woman who loves Jeffrey Epstein, by the way. Still, I wanted more from Jeffrey and he was often distant and dismissive of me and my feminine charms. One night as the sun set over Little St. James Island, I stood in the room where Jeffrey had just received a therapeutic massage from one of my daughter's friends. The room was covered. This is, this is gross, guys. Covered in a genius's seed, which was going to waste. I had an inspiration and asked the chef to bring me an extra large turkey baster. It's a lot of seed and in a beautiful fertility ritual created my youngest daughter blank.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like, this is like, I mean I, this guy on one end is a evil sort of mastermind, eugenicist, child sacrificer, Moloch worshiping piece of crap. And on the other end there's some woman just reminds me of like women that fall in love with guys in prison.

[Top Lobster]

What reminds you of like Lucifer? Like probably just extremely charming.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Top Lobster]

Like, like, I guess Nick Fuentes got into some trouble. He's like, oh, he had. What do you drip or something like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

He had aura or he does. I guess so. Yeah. You know what's really crazy? Watching the overlap. Somebody laid over the black phone character over Epstein's face. And it was like you could drag the slide to make either image vanish. And the way they bled into each other's faces perfectly, I was like, I was a little hesitant to buy into that, that he looks just like the black phone character. Like, I could see it, but not to the level that I saw it. When they put that, that, you know, that comparison, I was like, oh, my God, it's. It almost seems like another one of those instances right in your face.

[Heidi Love]

Well, and there's something not in our face. And this I bring up with the Dybbuk to let people remember that they said this. Okay. About Lex Wexner, because Les Wexner is going to come up again, but not with who you might think. You know, people have forgotten over time and I'm sure they're super grateful that they have the fact that this isn't the first time that this has happened with an island and Mormons. So, you know, yeah, it's tempting to look for a Clinton related conspiracy in the Epstein affair, but by such thinking doesn't bear much scrutiny. Yes, Bill Clinton was a frequent flyer on the Lolita Express, but Epstein's mentor, Wexner, is a close friend of George W. Bush. Don't forget, he's related to the Howlands, who are related directly to the Mormons through that line I showed you. And so is Howard Hughes. And so remember that as we go forward. And they visited Jerusalem together, who supported the Iraq war and raised money for Mitt Romney. Epstein's plea deal, meanwhile, was negotiated on his behalf by Ken Starr, the moral puritan best known for the Star Report in Mona Lewinsky scandal. So look, they're. They're doing things for Romney now. Maybe you could just say, yeah, that's not my fault. He's a bad guy and we took his money. Okay, but we need to talk about his dad, because if we're going to talk about Romney's, we need to talk about a different island. And that is Mackinac island. And it was the Epstein island of its time. So if you've heard of this story by Kathy o', Brien, the SRA victim, she is stating that Romney's father, George Romney, was the one that used her in black ops and P stuff, while Mitt Ro. You know, he's Mitt Romney's dad. And he also is not a citizen of America. He has dual. Well, he probably is now, but he wasn't born here. His dual citizenship in Mexico, where they run cartels and break offs, very interesting breakoffs called the Church of the Lamb of God. And you know, there, there's some very interesting things with this, but. Yeah, so this Romney stuff, she, she states all of this. Not only that, but let's also remember that Mrs. George Romney of Michigan, Governor George Romney, was on the National Advisory Board from 66 to 67, the year that Epstein intended interlocan. And so all of this is together. And I have checked these photos. They are real. It checks out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, with Playboy heiress Christine Hefner. So. So Hefner's wife or Hefner's daughter?

[Heidi Love]

I think it's his daughter.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so it's interesting on, on Merkel's, one of his latest shows, there was a woman there that was a Playboy bunny that had been trafficked afterward by Epstein. And she did her best to differentiate Hugh Hefner from. From Epstein's, you know, his operation. Operations. Yeah. Almost painting Hefner as like a good guy that was just addicted to, like, regular sex.

[Heidi Love]

I mean, but then maybe.

[Top Lobster]

But the stories, I don't know, that

[David Lee Corbo]

come out of there about the, the, the trafficking and even the tunnels beneath Hefner, it's like a. It's almost a one to one in its operation.

[Heidi Love]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's a blackmail operation. Yeah, there's tunnels. They're doing blackmail, sexual blackmail for all these elites and everything. I mean, you know, they're. They're facilitating sexual encounters with these beautiful women to buy the favor of all of the. Like, it's, It's a one to one comparison. It's just absent of like a Moloch statue or something like, I don't know how you try to separate. Yeah. But whatever the case, like, we were

[Top Lobster]

looking at this situation where she was defending this so hard because she wanted him. She wanted Hefner to almost seem like a guy that was just kind of

[Heidi Love]

addicted to the good guy.

[Top Lobster]

The good guy. And I'm just like, no, what a crazy scenario. Because both of these entities are evil.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. You almost have to give it to Hefner in his ability to become beloved. An American novelty, you know, that the entire populace is not only aware of, but also sort of champions and celebrates, you know, for a long, long time.

[Heidi Love]

Isn't. Isn't that Joseph Smith in a nutshell?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

People loved him. They talked about how handsome he was. They talked about how charming he was. I mean, let me ask you this, Heidi.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think that you know, given the idea of like generational iniquity, and we've become pretty comfortable on this show with the idea that some of these entities, these ancient entities, might have greater access to somebody of a particular genealogy or bloodline. And then given Joseph Smith's alleged interactions with, you know, all these entities and these supernatural occurrences, do you think that there's room for him having actually experienced these things, not deceived anyone? You know, obviously the, the nature of the interactions could be deceptive, but it doesn't mean that he didn't actually have interactions. And could that have been facilitated by the idea that he is of these bloodlines?

[Heidi Love]

I mean, if you are doing magic in any form and asking things to inhabit, you are doing ceremonies. That's the whole reason why the LDS people do a ceremony. Because if it didn't mean anything, why would you do it? It has to mean something, right? Because if it doesn't mean anything, then it would have stopped a long time ago. Same thing for magic. Like why would you keep doing something that it, you know, is that way? So that doesn't make any sense. And with, with a lot of this stuff like, you know, we know it pierces veils because who told us? Parsons tells us, Steiner told us. All these people talk about this. And so that's why I bring, you know, the proposal that I think it's Typhonian magic. I think it's older than that, but that's what we're going to call it because I mean, that's who lays labeled it, you know, they do certain things in the temple and hold their hands certain ways and it just resembles that to me. And do I think every Mormon does that? No way. No way. I think this is for the top level people only. That's it. Like there's no other way to put that.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, the same thing for Freemasonry, right? I mean, you know, there are people that are in there because it's a, a, it's a social club and maybe you could do a little networking. You might become buddies with a guy who's a plumber and you know a little bit about carpentry and you can kind of skill share, you know, and you work on my deck, I'll buy some beers next time, I'll work on your plumbing and you buy some beers type of deal. But at the highest levels, there's something obviously much more nefarious going on. It's 100.

[Heidi Love]

Well, this is nefarious even Ronnie, look at this. Like Bain Capital. Bain Capital is attached to Who? Robert Maxwell. Tell me again how you don't think that's connected.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's.

[Heidi Love]

And he was among the early investors for Romney. This is the son Romney. So mid. Okay. Romney had already established himself in business through bcci. People can check this all out. I have this all like noted and everything, but Robert Maxwell died before his daughter began working with Epstein. So then it kind of went away from evidence wise. Like we don't have that, but we know that he was, was like connected. And what happens to bcci? It gets shut down because they're doing like low level, like basic corruption. And it got Bill Gay, the guy I told you ran, you know, Howard Hughes's empire. His son kicked out of the quorum of the 70, which just doesn't happen. That doesn't just happen. So that, I mean you have to do something pretty egregious to have that occur. So I just think that people need to look at how old this is. And when I talk about this stuff, we have to look at all the branches because part of the Mormon Church is. Is that it splintered when Joseph Smith died. But Joseph Smith was doing some really weird stuff before and he was studying Hebrew even though he couldn't read English. Like what. Why would you do that? You know, that's weird. And so he was studying Hebrew with this very important guy. This guy is one of the top Jewish people that came here to America with the last name Sei Xas. One of the few people at Washington's inauguration. And he also gave one of the first, the first ever Thanksgiving prayer. And he was that influential. Why does the dumb farmer boy have anything to do with the big wig son? He's learning Hebrew from him. And anytime we get into this weird like school of the prophets and all of this stuff, okay, that I'm telling you because this is what it is. It's this blood fallen church narrative. Radical fundamentalist, or fundies they'll call them, but it is that they've entered into secret combinations with, with the government and the Mahan Master Mayhon path, which is like Kane, you know, this is, this

[David Lee Corbo]

is an adherence to. Basically it's the same thing, right? Law and genetics. Not. Not saved by grace, not grafted onto the vine. This is a focus on, like you said, radical fundamentalism. And. And save yourself.

[Heidi Love]

You're gonna be a God. Yeah. It's all.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's. That's weird. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Yep. And then this guy, yeah. He went on to do these really weird. This is just one of them. This crossfield or he went by Onias, because he was the prophet Onias. He was one of the few that, you know, went and settled in Parowan and he started doing it again. And so when we get this splinter group and you hear LDS Church of Satan, which we will see, it comes up in, in, you know, the whole thing with the pace memo and all of this old, old, old sra. It's SRA abuse. But their, their testimonies are identical all the way down. So it says that they did this because they were an inner Rosicrucian council. Again we're hearing this. The smuggled papers of John D. The Church of the Firstborn claims that if you seal the firstborn in blood, you'll get baby resurrection and the rest of your kids will be protected. And funny enough, Joseph Smith's first kid died right after it was born. That's weird.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a, you know, sacrifice of the firstborn kind of a deal.

[Heidi Love]

Yep, yep, exactly. And that's why they call the church the Church of the Church of the Firstborn.

[Top Lobster]

We actually have Nathaniel Gillis coming on at 4:00 today.

[Heidi Love]

Awesome. Yes. He's great.

[Top Lobster]

So that I, I have, I have a really sneaking suspicion that we're gonna get into some, some of that kind of necromancy stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, a hundred percent. These guardian spirits, like, I dare say that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're channeling. You know, when we go to the temple, we get a new name. When we go to the temple, you know, all these things happen that you're, you, you're performing necromancy after the first one, and the first one, you get a new name and it's, you know, for time and all eternity. That's not what the Bible says. That's not. We, we aren't supposed to be married for time in all eternity. We aren't supposed to do a lot of these things. It's not biblical. And so where did they get that information? It's ancient. You know, this is Cathar stuff. This is old.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let me ask you, Heidi, as we move towards this like this, everything's getting really weird. You have this, you know, the Epstein files are released and now we have like, war with Iran. And everybody's, you know, tired of hearing that already. It's, it's what's completely, you know, infiltrated all social media platforms. It's just this war with Iran situation. And then of course, we have whatever's going on with disclosure, which seems to be, we're edging ever closer to it. And I am Looking at this and I, I called this on Twitter and I think it was, you know, some people were like, wow, I can't believe you called this. But I think it was kind of low hanging fruit. But I said after the DOJ files were released that we're going to look out for one of three things or a mixture of them. We're going to see either the, the collapse of the dollar, we're going to see Iran versus Israel or we're going to see alien disclosure. And right now, obviously disclosure in Iran versus Israel are looking real good. The reason I called that it was

[Top Lobster]

the collapse of the dollar, to be honest.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure. And, and the reason that I, I called that is because I always looked at the Epstein files as a. They would use it as a plot device and it would only be revealed to the public when it was ready. We're ready for the next scene was a big shake up, you know, of. We're, we're moving players into positions of power that have been weighted and they've been in position to take that spot, you know, and that's going to be a big shake up. There's going to be wars and all kinds of things like that. I never stopped and considered like what Mormonism would be doing during this time. And I think that's a fair question to ask. It's like you guys have a mountain of DNA. You, you think that you're, you know, of the 13 tribes. There's, there's so much going on. I cannot imagine that they haven't either foreseen this time that we're in now or played a massive instrumental role in, you know, moving the pieces around the world stage for this time. And I can't help but wonder, what's their play? What are they doing next?

[Top Lobster]

And I, I do have a. I don't know if this is gonna segue what you had planned, Heidi, but we've been, we've been going at it with some, some fake archaeologists about the nature of aliens.

[Heidi Love]

I saw your memes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. It was pretty funny.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, you like?

[David Lee Corbo]

She liked it.

[Heidi Love]

I liked the gay Indiana Jones.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know why. I have no idea why he thought that was about him.

[Top Lobster]

David was just trying to do regular Indiana Jones.

[Heidi Love]

I loved your house. What? I loved it. Yeah. I thought you were honoring him. That's it. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

He dresses really cool.

[Top Lobster]

So is there, I mean, because this Mormonism stuff is all kind of aimed in the same direction. Is there any overlap with the alien phenomenon or disclosure as, as we know it right now and what Mormons are doing, because it seems like they're kind of intertwined with the occult with some sort of, like, demonic powers or at least some ancient gods that are aligning to do something.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would almost say they have to be right, because they're doing. At the core of the alien thing. There's a hybridization.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I'm just saying we might be wrong.

[Heidi Love]

No, no, look at the hands. Okay, Here. This is real. This isn't a reenactment. See the little line? They're at a temple ceremony and they are doing the true order of prayer. Okay, let me show you something. Are they doing that? Because I think they are.

[David Lee Corbo]

It looks.

[Heidi Love]

With the thumb out. Yeah. We can't. I can say that I did it, and I know that you do that. And when we're talking about this true order of prayer and Typhonian. And they're even showing you that. That, you know, they're doing this.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, they were bad.

[Heidi Love]

No, no, it's. He. I think that's just an ugly guy. The women wear. Well, they used to wear veils because we weren't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, okay.

[Heidi Love]

Now they don't. I mean, it's all changed. But, you know, like, this is a better example here. There we go. That's real. This is real.

[David Lee Corbo]

That within the. The Mormons, they're changing things so that they can increase their membership.

[Heidi Love]

I think they want to increase their membership, but they don't want to increase the real true knowledge. So what they've done with the temple ceremony is it used to be two hours and it was like, just like masonry. You had to memorize things. And it was really important, all this stuff. Well, now they just rush them through and they give them cue cards. That's because all their positions are, in my opinion, filled up. They don't need any more special people. You're not going to be special enough anyway. Yeah, this is about the elites and the elites align. You know, people forget that the Mormon Church is interlocked with the Catholics Church. The Mormon Church is interlocked with many other churches through philanthropy, but specifically through God's banker, through Aristotle Onassis's banker. And all of this is linked. You know, when we look at David M. Kennedy, which I almost threw those slides in here, but I didn't. He was best friends with Sendona. Michelle Sedona. Do you know who I'm talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Michelle Sendona Sindona.

[Heidi Love]

He's God's banker. So he did all the banking for the Pope. Pope and also was best besties with, you know, Mormons. David M. Kennedy. So. And he was very influential. He wasn't just some guy. You know, we're talking about the money of the church here, and it gets really wild, you know. And when we're talking about these files, I mean, this is one hallway.

[David Lee Corbo]

What, this?

[Heidi Love]

Yep, this is one hallway.

[David Lee Corbo]

What is we file? What file files?

[Heidi Love]

This is the d. The not DNA. I can't say that, but I will tell you that they do have that. And I'll show you why and how. But this is supposedly the genealogy files. One one hall. And if you think you're not in there because you were never a Mormon, you're in there, I promise.

[David Lee Corbo]

By the way, the reason that I asked is because I see the same thing within Jehovah's Witnesses. My wife is an ex Jehovah's Witness, and my wife. And, and she says, like, as time goes forward, they become more and more lenient with, like, dress code and, and, and things like this where they used to be really, really strict. Yeah, they're just trying to get people in. So it's a numbers game, but you're right at the top of it. It's like there's coveted information. The average person's not going to be privy to this, so they just need the numbers to gain the influence. But they believe kind of, you know, that they are the 144,000. So it's like, how many slots could you possibly have?

[Heidi Love]

So do the Mormons. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, fascinating.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. You're not going to heaven if you don't have the top rights done either. If you're just a regular Mormon and you didn't go through the temple, you' not going. You're not going. They used to tell us, and they used to tell us too, that their Jesus isn't Christians Jesus either. So what.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, wait. So what did they think of Jesus? I mean, how did they define Jesus

[Heidi Love]

is born of God, a man who was making Jesus, who is a man, and we can become like him someday because, yeah, we're going to be God Gods. And so this gets back to why I bring this up is the whole alien thing. But I don't think that. I do think they are nefarious spirits, like, and I do think they're channeling them into people. And I do think that. And I mean, there's just too much on the ceremonies and I. And they're not doing this as hard anymore. So that tells me if you're rushing through it. And you're not doing it correctly. Do you already have those that you chose?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And their bloodlines, because you know who they are. Because I'm going to show you a study that proves it. And so. And nobody talks about that, but this just shows you how in bed, you know, the bushes. And this is an old prophet of the church. Like, he's dead now, but Prophet Thomas S. Monson. And look at them. You know, their brothers literally related through the Howland line. Like these people, that pilgrim lineage. And they will tell you, those first families are so important. And I just don't think people want to know. Like, people that come at me and they're like, oh, you know, you're a liar, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, well, did you read the part where they made coffin canes out of the disgusting wood that they were rotting in? And then they dug them up and made these canes out of their bloody, grody DNA coffins and then put their hair in the knob. Like, did you get to that part? People like, what?

[David Lee Corbo]

Hold on. Bring that up.

[Heidi Love]

Up top.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the next one. The knob. Wow. The coffin cane. This wooden cane has hair embedded in the knob, which is reported to be the braided locks of Joseph and Hiram Smith. This cane is also said to have been made from the wood of the coffins holding the Smith brothers before they were removed to their fight. I mean, this is necromancy, right?

[Heidi Love]

This is.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what this is.

[Heidi Love]

This is the church museum. This is at the church.

[David Lee Corbo]

Whoa.

[Top Lobster]

That's crazy, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Think about this. When. When you watch Harry Potter and they go, this wand is made from this and it's got unicorn hair in it. Like, that's. And they're like, okay, yeah, that's magic. But when the. When the Mormon Church does it, it's not magic.

[Heidi Love]

Sometimes they don't have a wand. Sometimes they have a staff, Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Correct.

[Heidi Love]

This one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Heidi Love]

Joseph Smith serpent cane. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow. I mean, serpent cane.

[Heidi Love]

And here's the back of it.

[Top Lobster]

Moses.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like Moses. Right. Oh, and it's got a seal. Looks like a royal seal or crest, Like a family crest with an upside

[Heidi Love]

down cross and Joseph Smith initials. Sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Fantastic.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. The eyes in the sky. Yeah. Three eyes. They don't believe that God and Jesus are one person person. It's three people. It's. Jesus is separate from God, which is separate from the Holy Ghost. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. This is very similar to. I actually saw Jay Dyer arguing with. Dang. What was his name? It's a dude from Infowars. I Forget Harrison Smith. Not Harrison. There's another guy who's. One other guy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. With the beard.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, he's a younger dude. I. I conflate him with Harrison Smith a lot, but a Chase Geyser.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, we know Chase.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So Chase goes to. You know, he's a. He's a Freemason. And I imagine he's just at the level, like, he doesn't understand what the hell.

[Top Lobster]

Chase is a weird dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

And. And he's like, look, you know, Jay Dyer is saying anything that has a supreme being, like a solo individual. Supreme being is inherently denying Jesus Christ and the Trinity because you can't just have this one entity that is the supreme being that doesn't have, like, this third aspect or these three aspects, the Holy Ghost and. And Jesus Christ. And, you know, he struggled with that. And then Chase said, well, then does that mean that AA is actually leading people away from Christ? Because. And. And basically the answer was like, yeah, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Well, it was set up by the. By nefarious people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Yeah. The. The origins of AA are. Are a. A shady thing, too.

[Top Lobster]

And so origins of Chase guy. I like Chase, but, like, his origins are.

[David Lee Corbo]

He seems cool. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I told him to his face, like, I've. I've seen him come out of nowhere. I've seen him do interviews with. With Steve Bannon, get 12 views, and then all of a sudden, he. It's just very strange.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you know, I. I say this a lot about people in our space where, like, I don't get too hung up on the who's a Fed, who's not a fed. Some of my favorite people are Feds. Alex Jones is a very entertaining individual. He's very fun to watch. And is he likely? I mean, he says outright that his family is.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he hired Chase. Guys, this is what I'm getting at. It's just weird. It's just weird to me. That's very weird. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And we know the feds have infiltrated definitely the Mormon Church. Like, I mean, it's. It's crazy to me that they still say, like, you brought up entities. Okay, So I come back to Moroni. They still say he's an angel, but how's he an angel if he's a dead guy? And how is he an angel if he was summoned here in a Quarter moon ritual? Which he was. So for years he was. And so when we talk about entities and your HGA and your, you know. Do you know what I'm talking about? Holy Guardian angel stuff, I'm actually not familiar with it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can you unpack that a little bit?

[Heidi Love]

Okay, so your HGA is like your. Your holy Guardian angel that you align with. And I. I truly believe this is what Joseph Smith feels that he found. Do I think that he might be off? For sure. You know, but when we talk about the sacred mage and the Aberme and all this, you know, this is what Crowley was doing too. He said his was Cagliostro, if you remember, right. That he was reincarnated. So Moroni. The problem I have with Moroni is, is that Moroni is the guy on top of every temple, very Masonic, blowing his horn. But the problem with him is, is he's. He cannot be an angel because he lived. He was alive, and he said so. So that makes him a spirit. And whenever we talk about spirits, I'm always going back to John D. Because John D. Will tell you they're liars. They're liars. Liars.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. This is my thing right now where you know all of the alien stuff.

[Top Lobster]

Let me just say I was in a space yesterday with Tupa. Tupacabra.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, were you?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. Just really quick because they were. They were taught they were touching on this exact subject. So I came in and that guy Bruce Fenton was in there. I don't even really know what he.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bruce Fenton. Not familiar with.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, this dude here. I don't know. Apparently he's been on some like, TV shows or something like that. We'll pull him up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, this guy's a little bit weird. Yeah, he said some silly. And I made fun of a.

[Top Lobster]

And it's not, you know, I guess. Yeah, Yeah, I. I mean that actually against him. He's retarded. So. He worked for the History Channel. Science Channel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that makes sense. I mean, if you work for the history.

[Top Lobster]

That was his exact argument after I. I laid out the history, like the brief history of what spiritual entities are, what they might be, where they come from. He goes, yeah, but like, you know, sometimes, like, the demon wouldn't tell you a lot. The demon would only tell you a lie. It wouldn't tell you the truth. It wouldn't come for you. That's exactly what it would do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are you kidding me? What. What a disruptive, nitrous idea is that?

[Top Lobster]

And I was like. I was like, I should rebut that. But I'm like, it's too. It's too stupid to even rebut.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's like, if I am capable of. Of lying to you by telling you some truths and comforting you wouldn't an ancient entity that is pitted against humanity.

[Top Lobster]

The entire premise of that guy, that guy talking after I spoke was because I called him an. On Twitter. I planted a seed on Twitter. Yeah, you took it to heart. Showed up. It's like, so you don't think that. That an ancient entity would do the same thing?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's like, I did it to you just now. I did it to you and look where you. Yeah, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And when we talk about this summoning stuff, like in the Smith family, people always talk about, oh, the Smiths. And they came from Palmyra, New York.

[David Lee Corbo]

Work.

[Heidi Love]

No, they didn't. They came from Salem, Massachusetts.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow.

[Heidi Love]

His father. And I'll show you that in one second. But this again shows because not only did Joseph Smith's oldest son die, and it was a baby death, and it was born so deformed that they couldn't. It couldn't live. And they named it his dead brother's name because his brother died. When he starts doing all this angel, little shitty chat, his brother, the oldest son as well, dies of an accidental overdose. So. And then they dug him up and then they ran it in the newspaper six times.

[David Lee Corbo]

This seems like they had a big. They were big fans of necromancy and anything adjacent.

[Heidi Love]

Celts. Yeah, he's from a Celtic Kings line. I mean, I think they knew a lot of stuff, to be quite frank. And I mean, that's fine. You know what I always tell people, you know, they get pissed at me for this. You want to go do whatever you want to do, go do that. But also, like, that's on you. I'm just trying to help the people that want help, you know, like, I can't. I can't do anything about that. But this is Joseph Smith's senior grandpa. And so this is in Salem, Massachusetts. Let me go back. He was born in Massachusetts bay Colony in 1666. That's an interesting year with Laurianic. But Massachusetts Bay. Anyway, it talks about that he was a selectman there, you know, and. But the weird thing is, is that they always hid this line. And the Mormons are super patriotic. And I'm like, why would they hide this line? Well, here's from the Salem Society. It's because he helped. Helped kill a lady. And he, like, basically signs that he had spectral evidence against her because her shadow person. I don't even know what to call it, her ghost pushed him in the middle of the night. So he signs this whole thing about it. And, you know, they go in and this lady is hung funny enough on the day that Joseph Smith gets those plates one hundred and something years after. That's a little.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. On the day, on the day she was 100 years before Joseph gets the tablets.

[Heidi Love]

Yep. Same day. Yep.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this is, this is what I'm talking like today we're supposed to be. It's like a. We have a blood moon tomorrow on March 3rd at 3:33 in the morning. And my reaction to that is like dismissive wanking gesture because that's not how I like. If you're, you're. I look, it's a fascinating thing, but I'm like, I, I don't know. I don't know what. To me, I don't like giving those things power because the only thing.

[Heidi Love]

Magic.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly. The people that give that power are the ones that are, number one, attributing grotesque amount of power to Satan and his, and his, you know, his minions and, and the other side of it, the people that are fascinated by it are the ones that are hoping to achieve something on that morning at 3:33. And it's just like, it's. I, I look at it and I go, I don't, I don't. It's not that I don't care, but.

[Heidi Love]

Right, right. It's probably not even the correct calendar, to be quite frank. You know, I mean, let's be realistic. But when we go through this stuff, these people did know. These people knew magic and not folk magic. That's what the Mormons are going to tell you. This is folk magic. No, this is blood magic and blood magic. This is Solomonic magic. And I can prove that too. But when we talk about these people, they went on just so people could check this out. After this whole situation happened, they were already engaged. Do you know about the Salem witch trials, about the Gould family? G O U L D. Have you studied it? A little. So they're like the major players in this whole situation with the Salem witchcraft trials. Well, they were married to the Smiths at this time and they go on to be married to the Smiths for six more generations after this. You want to say, lock down a secret, like, right, they're doing that on purpose. And these certain families are marrying specifically from that Howland line. Okay. And see, if you look down here, September 22, 1692. September 22. He goes on the 21st and then it changes in the middle of the night because it's all in the middle of the night. Sounds super Christian.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, this is the woman that he, he won a trial against for what? What did he do to her? Because of her shadow person.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, she pushed him in his mind. And so they hung her. And he was the one to sign the petition that said, yeah, she did that to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

And they really were doing it loose, huh? Back in the day.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, I think that she knew. I think that she knew. You know what? I think the people that got hung and whatnot then were the people that were innocent, and they were like, I'm gonna tell your crap, and then you're gonna be in trouble.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, oh, man. Imagine that, right? So the Salem witch trials are actually a direct inversion. The witches didn't get hung. The witches is pulled.

[Heidi Love]

Everything.

[David Lee Corbo]

The other people hung.

[Heidi Love]

Everything's an inversion with these people. And that is part of the big problem, because these people, when we get into it, I'm going to say that I truly believe they've been infiltrated by Lauronic Cabala. And so do you know what I'm talking about?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I don't. You're just using a bunch of. Like. I like to think sometimes that I know a little bit of something until Heidi comes on the show, and then

[Heidi Love]

I'm like, oh, no, no. I just am always in a book. Book. That's. I mean, but sabotage. You know about sabotage. Sevy, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a familiar name.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, that's. That's it. That's the Lurionic Kabbalah heresy of the Jewish people and.

[David Lee Corbo]

And actually the Mormons, so of the same thing that's. That at its root is like the Sephiroth. Like, it's all the same crap. It's just like, I noticed that they kind of give it different names. Like, we were looking at something the other day, and it was the. The Kabbalistic tree is the same exact thing as the Sephiroth. Like, it's. But there's another. Yeah, but there's another belief system that has it. And you. Oh, oh, it's like Jacob's Ladder. It's the same thing as Jacob's Ladder within Freemasonry. And so it's all the same. They just continually give it a different name.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, absolutely, they do. And when we look at this stuff. Okay, so Plato. They also involve, like, like these old teachings, like Plato's School of the Apostles. Okay. There's a different thing called. In Mormonism, the school of the prophets. Okay. But everybody that reads the school, the prophet stuff, goes batshit crazy. They go batshit crazy. And so when we look at this and we're looking at, you know, blood magic with them you know, slitting throats of dogs with sacred magical knives and all kinds of weird stuff and Jupiter talismans. And that's why I know it's Solomonic magic, because if you look at his talisman, it leads us directly back to the Magus. Because there's actually an imperfection in the Magus on this particular drawing. And that's why. But, you know, we talk about Lori Valo. She killed her kids. I mean, you know, they buried them in the front yard, and she was obsessed with blue eyes, just like we see all over Epstein's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yep.

[Heidi Love]

And she's talking about how her kids are happier now, and she did them a favor, and they had a whole zombie rating system, and her kids were zombies. They had to go infiltrated.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm looking at this. This. This Jupiter talisman.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, I. Yeah, I have a picture, too. I can.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, great. If you could bring that up, because this is very obviously Solomonist magic. I mean, there's no way around it.

[Heidi Love]

Somebody got pissed at me and was like, you stole my info? And I'm like, bro, all I did was put this in reverse lookup, and it came up. I'm not. I'm not also.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, what's. What's the.

[Top Lobster]

Heidi.

[Heidi Love]

It was a book.

[Top Lobster]

Do you understand now why we had to, like, after you showed us all this stuff? Yeah, because this is. This is horrific.

[David Lee Corbo]

But it's like having her back on the second time, like. Oh, you mean all of this stuff plugs into everything we already know?

[Top Lobster]

I know. Yeah. Which is why this is why, like, even when we get the Epstein files, I'm. I'm like, why are you telling me all this? Because it's what we've been saying. And I'm like, I need to go back and look at this, because I

[Heidi Love]

think it's a mess with people. It's going to break a lot of people. They can't imagine in their minds that because this happened to my kid. Okay. He's like, I've been telling everybody about this since I was really young, and now it's right there in black and white. And what am I supposed to do with that? And we can't do anything. And it just makes people feel even more powerless.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. How is he. Because that's. That's very much the same place that I've been where I'm not. I'm not upset about it.

[Top Lobster]

How old's your kid? And he's into this?

[Heidi Love]

25. Yeah, he's 25, and he's always been into Conspiracy stuff. But then he went into psychosis because he did too much. He's open about this. So he did too many mushrooms with pot. And there are some people, genetically, that if you do that a certain amount of times, it just. You're unlucky. And he went into psychosis for a year, and he was battling demons, and, I mean, he completely wasn't. It was so bad that he wasn't changing, he wasn't showering. We had to put him in patient cycle. Like, it was really bad. So. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

What was he doing now?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, he's okay now, but he struggles a lot. And, you know, he still has, like, almost like acid effects of things, like, where things will ripple, kind of like Alice in Wonderland syndrome. And we've kind of gone back and forth about whether or not I think that's what it is. But, you know, he's got two little boys now, and I'm a grandma, and there he. He's focusing on them, so.

[Top Lobster]

Good.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Check out his music. Balduvian Bears. If you like the cure, you'll like it. Yeah, nice.

[David Lee Corbo]

There you go. Balduvi embarrassed. And check them out after the show. It is. It's. It's weird because, you know, you would think that people from the outside looking in, if, you know, like a conspiracy theorist friend, you might think, like, this is a season of vindication. It's actually much more a season of confusion if you're not rooted in the Lord. Like, I, I. I routinely turn back to God, and it's just like, whatever feelings of confusion that I have, I put them on God. And it's just like, whatever. You know, there's a plan already, and this is just playing out in the way that it's supposed to play out. But if you look at it too analytically, you do kind of get filled with this spirit of confusion because it's like, what should be vindication instead is just like, why. Why is this thing. Why am I right? Number one? Like, that's a kind of a weird thing because I'm a high school dropout out. Why am I right about the. The nature?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Like, it's so crazy that you're like, what?

[David Lee Corbo]

No way. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's also. We've seen the example of people that they. They become validated or vindicated in a way of. Of their talking points. And it's like, great, now it's confirmed, and they move on. And it's like, well, if that's wrong, now, your entire premise falls apart. And then that's like, that's an Entry to psychosis. So whenever I, I get introduced to like, hey man, you've been right the entire time. I go back and I go, thanks. Let me take a step back and reevaluate just to make sure and really make like, yeah, really dot my eyes and cross my T's, make sure all this stuff is legit. Because if it's not, then I'm going to have to deal with that like that ego crashing later.

[David Lee Corbo]

In particular, the thing that at least it's like they're exposing things that are making us look like we're correct. But as we sit on the precipice of disclosure, the thing that I'm really happy about is it seems like everything is pointing towards the research that has to do with frequency based technologies channeling entities through drug usage, through ritual, through sacrifice, all these things and the origin specifically of these like alien entities as they've been channeled in the past. And we talked it on a previous show, even Aleister Crowley says what was once achieved by way of channeling drug induced states and ritual will eventually be achieved by technology. And I think that that is a, a bit of information that I'm grateful that God allowed me to see because it, it, it really is important how you frame these things that are going to come to pass. These entities are the same entities that they used to channel and they're not, these are spiritual beings. Whether you're going to see physical craft or physical bodies or biologic, you know, I'm not too sure what to make of those. I got a lot of theories about them, but I know that the nature of them and the spirit that dwells within them or the spirit that controls them, the thing that they're aligned with are the very same things that they've been channeling for a long time. And I think a lot of people are going to miss the idea that these people have been sacrificing, you know, whether it's, you know, molec or whatever to these creatures. And as we get this big revelation on one hand that they actually are satanic pedophiles that sacrifice and worship and all this other crap, crap, people are going to miss the point that many of these entities that we're going to be exposed to are the things that they were sacrificing and worshiping too. So. But I'm grateful.

[Heidi Love]

Well, this will tell you, this will tell people, at least the Mormons and, and people get mad at me because they're like, well, what's your point of all this evil? God already is going to win. Like, look, if you don't know, it is easy to be deceived. I didn't know and I was deceived. And what happened to me, I go and do weirdo rituals in a temple ceremony. Me. That's what I'm trying to save people from. Like, I don't hate the Mormons. I want to help the Mormons, you know, and anybody else that's involved in something similar. Like you said Jehovah's Witnesses and stuff may be similar or whatever. Like, if this will help somebody. It's not like I one day woke up and was thinking to myself, oh, let's just embarrass myself on the Internet and have to learn computers and all this stuff just because, you know, why

[David Lee Corbo]

don't I make an enemy of the. Maybe the most powerful religious organization in the state that I currently live in? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

This is not my idea. This was a God thing, and I'll always stand by it. And if, you know, the persecution that comes with it is great. Like, it's. It's not fun. It's really not. But, yeah, I. I mean, I've had some fun doing this. I've met some great people. I've got to do research. I've become better at things. But I don't think this was an ego development thing. If anything, it's the reverse of that. But, you know, I was in a really low place when I started really praying, like, for real, and. And this happened. And I. I'm like, this is nuts. And. And people can laugh at it all day long, but I. I just. I know what I'm called to do. And if I'm the Micaiah and kings of my time, then that's what I am, you know, in the Bible.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you know, there is a. There is a silver lining where it's like a. If you're aware of these things for any extended period of time, you would find that talking about them is isolating. But in this capacity, we get to. I mean, we spend it, you know, daily. And. And you do too, right, Heidi? Where it's like you get to sit with somebody and whether it's on a screen or, you know, in real life, and talk a similar language to somebody who's not going to laugh you out of the room, who actually goes, oh, you've got a fascinating piece of the puzzle. See how this one that I've been carrying around fits with what you think. And, and that's refreshing. I didn't have that for a long time. And so podcasting has been. Been fantastic for that.

[Heidi Love]

I. I did at first and then it got weird and then hopefully it will come back around. But I think for women, it's a little bit different because I think the first thing men think of women in podcasting is especially this type. Not like murder or self help or whatever. Right. Like all that's great too. But I'm just saying this is a different place. Like, not a lot of women fit in. And I think it's been hard for some people to adjust to that. Not that they're against women, just that they're like. But why?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, I get it. There's been a cultural shift in that direction. We've been blessed to have like the. The women who appear on this show. Yourself, Vicki Joy Anderson, Karen Wilkinson. We have Danny from the Rabbit Hole. Danny from the Rabbit Hole. What's her name?

[Top Lobster]

There's another one that I saw. K. Podgy. Seems like somebody that. Like that. But the women are few and far between, especially ones that like. Because there are. And I will say there are a lot that I'm like, I don't really take this person seriously. And I don't think they take themselves that seriously.

[David Lee Corbo]

Some of them are just doing it for the, like, anybody. Yeah, but it'.

[Heidi Love]

Or fun. Yeah. Or whatever. Maybe just for fun. I. And I don't hate on people like that. Look, that's okay too. We all need our thing, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Who is.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, yeah, she's Dyer's wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't want to call her Jay Dyer's wife. I feel like such an. I know Jamie Dyer. She crushes dude. But. But she's one of these people just like Heidi, when. When. When they come on, I'm exposed to a bunch of that. I didn't know.

[Top Lobster]

An interesting metric, though, Heidi, which we like. So our YouTube page is growing now and we pay a little bit more attention to the analytics. Surprised to see like, even though, like we are.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. We're dudes and we talk a lot of assholes. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's about 50. 50 woman.

[Heidi Love]

Really?

[Top Lobster]

Woman men. Yeah. And we're talking about like, you know, like deeper stuff. So there is an interest of like women that. That like this stuff. And I think there's going to be a weird resurgence where you'll. You're going to start seeing a lot of women seriously stepping into the space case and like, like coming forward and doing a good job.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you know what it is. If you. If you really observe the spiritual and supernatural aspect of theory, women are Typically, like, they're into it. They, I think they're a little bit closer to the veil in a lot of ways. And so they have more spiritual interactions and encounters than men typically do. And if they're not grounded in Christ, that will drive them everywhere. But that's why you have like such a huge.

[Top Lobster]

Remember bimbo astrology.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bimbo astrology. She was saying that's her name. She's great.

[Top Lobster]

She's awesome.

[David Lee Corbo]

She's awesome.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But she, like many other people, are drawn to these mystical teachings because on some level I think women are willing to engage with the thing despite the materialistic paradigm saying, that's not real. Right. Because that's what we live in here in the West. They go, that's not real. And, and they go, shut the hell up. I'm going to look at it anyway. And so in that way, it's fantastic. It's just got to get rooted in Christ. But that's everybody's game.

[Heidi Love]

Well, and. Or expose it. Right. Like, we aren't just called to understand it. Like a lot of people are like, good for you, go figure it out. But like, like, no, I'm called to expose evil. That's my job. I'm supposed to do that. And people say, well, you talk to that one Gnostic guy or you talk to the. And you didn't say anything. How much do you think I'm going to get through to a person and even try to help them in any frame or fashion and not. You can't really preach to them. Right, right. In that situation, you have to agree to disagree, but you need to learn from them because really, at the end of the day, as Christians, and I hate to bring this up, up, you're not going to get it by talking to other Christians. You will never understand. You won't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Correct.

[Heidi Love]

So yeah, if you offend everybody in the first four minutes when you go that's not true, and Bible thump, thump, you're not getting anywhere. You're not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's what I found in this, in the exploration of these topics, is that many of the things that people are glomming on to have quite a bit of truth, actual truth within them. It always comes down to the nature of a thing, though. And Absolutely. So, you know, if you're observing numerology, if you're observing astrology, if you're engaging with spirits that you think are ancestor spirits and you're doing some sort of Wiccan, I'm not even saying you are not interacting with an entity. You are. And that thing might be imparting on you actual valuable information that is rooted in truth, but its nature is to deceive you, and it's deceiving you. You about its very nature. And so what you.

[Heidi Love]

And it knows everything.

[David Lee Corbo]

It knows everything. That's like, I was listening to something just today or yesterday, and it was talking about, like, psychics and everything, and I was like, yeah, like, I get it, but you're not leaving any room for familiar spirits communicating with familiar spirits, whispering into the ears of the recipient.

[Heidi Love]

Like, well, and this says it right here. Like when Mormonism, they want to say, well, that was just folk magic with this pentacle. Okay. But it doesn't say that. And they said, well, he was just trying to protect himself. Read this. This says it protects those who invoke and cause the spirits to come. Look, that's a different thing. That's exactly what you're talking about. That's exactly what John D. Is talking about.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can you make that big screen? I want to see that? This is so. This is the. The Jupiter talisman. This defendeth. Zoom out a little bit. I can't see that top area there.

[Heidi Love]

Right there.

[David Lee Corbo]

These defendeth and protected those who invoke and cause the spirits to come. When they appear, show unto them this pinnacle and immediately they will obey. That's fascinating because I think a lot of what these things do is they will. So, like, let's say one of the examples I bring up all the time is sage. People will sage their homes. I think effectively what you're doing is you're giving a burnt offering that appeases the spirit momentarily, but then they come back stronger, not only because it is, you know, a place.

[Heidi Love]

Whose magic is it? It. Whose magic is it?

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly. And. And this pentacle where it's like, how. How advantageous would it be for them to get you to believe that this thing has some power, back off for a time, and then come back.

[Heidi Love]

Why would you need a seer stone and a hat if you just believed in God? You wouldn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

You wouldn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. What's so crazy, too, is a top hat that he has.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, yeah. That's the real. This is the real hat. Right. Right here. And that's the other prophet of the church that just passed away, Russell M. Nelson.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's the same. No. Is that the same?

[Heidi Love]

Yes. They took it out of the deep storage of the tunnels underneath the. The temple, which they are documented and there for anybody. The church says they're there, that they use them for Transportation underneath the city. Weird. And they also have armed guards, so if you try to go and do that, the Mormon CIA will probably show. Shoot your ass. But anyway, yeah, you know, they. They have a vault just like the Pope. And they finally couldn't deny it anymore. They were like, okay, you want to see the hat? Like, fine, I'll do a photo app. And then they did it with, you know, the rock, his seer stone as well. And the pouch that he carried it in.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's.

[Heidi Love]

Yep. It's just shaped to it at this point, but yep, he carried it with him. And funny enough, even though he believed in his magical underwear, he didn't die with those on, but he sure died with that Jupiter Tower talisman in his pocket.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll tell you what, man, I have like a real. And I think this is because of what. Not only the allure of it naturally, because obviously the idea of a powerful artifact is enticing to mankind, right? I mean, it's, it's. It speaks to something deep within, maybe our genetics, but also the way that Hollywood and the video game industry and everything have constantly presented us as. As we've developed and gotten older and compelling stories, shows, etcetera, Powerful artifacts that imbue its wielder with something that is, you know, beyond the capabilities of normal men. You look into Greek mythology where these demigods are often given something by their fallen angel parents. You know, whether it's like Perseus, where he gets this polished shield and his sword, and I, I believe he might have a bow on top of it, but there's always like, these weapons or these things, and it's like, super tempting, right? This, like, beautiful object that elevates you above the average person in order to pull off heroic feats, like. Damn. Sure cool concept, right? But.

[Heidi Love]

Well, especially if you think your bloodline of the gods, which they do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Well, there you go. That's. That. That demigod thing resonates with you. It. It bridges the gap between you and your. Your celestial parent, your.

[Top Lobster]

Your.

[David Lee Corbo]

Your fallen angel parent, or what have you.

[Heidi Love]

You.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's just fascinating. Over and over again.

[Heidi Love]

A hundred percent. One hundred percent. And they do this time and time again. Like we've got Mormon transhumanists, we've got Howard Hughes wanting to be frozen, Jeffrey Epstein wanting to be frozen.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

That are. Like you said, they want to defy normal, right? But none of them, none of them live all that long. I mean, it's like, okay, it's normal. I mean, that prophet that I just showed You. He did, did. He lived till 101.

[Top Lobster]

Well, there is something about, there's something about talismans because in the Bible and like in the book of Acts, Paul has different things. I'm like, in Acts 19, he had some aprons, handkerchiefs, and like other cloths that he touched. And they were just like bringing them, the sick people and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's right. And they were being healed when they were touching him. Right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So he wasn't like actually physically there, but this thing had a power. And I mean, even Jesus, the woman touches his cloth and he's like, like he turns to her. Well, he turns to his apostles and he's like, yo, who, who touched me? But like, the translation of the Greek was like, who took from me?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's fascinating.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. I forget the exact word. But like, she touched the cloth and took power from him and she was healed.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll tell you what, I would love to crazy. I would love to think along the lines of like, you know, the inversionism. Satan doesn't have the ability to create. He only has the ability to kind of hijack what God has already made and invert it in some way, shape or form, principle. Then like, that's what I'm saying.

[Top Lobster]

These things, things do work.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you're saying there's a chance. You're saying you find some dope ass, you know, sword in the stone type situation. You know, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Really check in with God over and over. You're like, are you sure? If you ever find a sword in a stone and you manage to pull it out, just take some time before you wield it. Go like, God, are you sure, dude? Because I'll talk. I'll toss this thing back into the ocean or back into the, to the lake, man.

[Heidi Love]

You're like, I'll put it back. I'll.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll put it back. I'll be. I put it back. Can I take a selfie with it? Something cool?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, I mean, you know, selfie. And, and I think we see that time and time again with, you know, cursed objects or blessed object. We do, we see this. And I, you know, I, I don't discount magic ever, because it would have gone away. Why would, why would people keep doing it and doing it? That's stupid.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I saw something is a conversation between two people. I forgot who it was, but they were like, you know, big, big sort of influential. Might have been like a Tucker Carlson or let's say, I don't remember exactly, but the interviewer asked, what, in your opinion, is the best evidence for Jesus Christ? And he responded, whoever this was, I'm not saying it was. Tucker responded, the fact that we're sitting here talking about him right now, it's like, yeah, man, there you go. 2000 years later, still talking about the dude. Like, I mean, that's an insane right underneath your nose thing to overlook.

[Heidi Love]

How about that? You can't talk about him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Like, you can get a Coke with any name on it, but Jesus, like, you can get all this weird stuff, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, not only that, but all throughout the 90s and 2000s and even the 80s, if you got on stage and you made fun of him, you get a round of applause.

[Top Lobster]

If you said he was king, you get fired from the Daily Wire.

[David Lee Corbo]

Touche.

[Heidi Love]

Yep, yep, yep. And it makes you see, like, obviously, like you said, they're. They're creating, like, look at this slide where it says, says the DNA from the original 13 families became the Rosetta Stone of human genetics. This is Utah Mormons families. This is Utah Mormon families. This, the Thousand Genomes project. Even today, when scientists do massive global studies, like the Thousand Genomes Project, they still go back to the Ceph, Utah samples, which. The Ceph is. Is those original 13 families.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you can say a lot about them, but you can't say they weren't thorough in their investigation.

[Heidi Love]

They're smart. Yeah, they're smart. I mean, they. They are definitely all about it. And what did they do to, you know, fund it? Of course, they overtook Howard Hughes, or maybe I feel like they made him believe. I think he read the Golden Golden Bow, and so did they. And I think they were like, you're the king and looky, looky, you know, I don't know. That's just my thoughts. But whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Clarify, Heidi, when they're saying the 13 families, are they saying the 13 tribes?

[Heidi Love]

They're saying 13 actual families in Utah are now the Rosetta Stone for all genetic studies in the world.

[Top Lobster]

Now, I don't want to seem racist, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it.

[Heidi Love]

I'm sure they're all.

[Top Lobster]

No, but, like, when we're talking about what God would have created, is it now? You know, Heidi has kind of, like, blonde hair, she's got blue eyes, white skin, versus, like, a Rabbi Schmooley type that's in the. It's just when I look surface level, I, like, take all your knowledge out of your head. And you look at the guys that are from, like, you know, the Orthodox Jewish community, they're like, hunched over. They're, like, all, like, dysgenic. And I'm kind of like, God made this.

[David Lee Corbo]

When she said earlier that it's weird, like, you guys both mentioned it earlier, that they won't allow, like, that kind of genetic testing in Israel. Right, right, right, right. Is that because they want to obfuscate, you know, that they are of the line, or are they trying to avoid, like, a great big revelation that says, like, you have no genetic connection?

[Top Lobster]

I forget who I was talking to, but there was a what if.

[Heidi Love]

What if it's the inbreeding, too? Like, what if they can't narrow it down because there's so much. Well, like, the. The inbreeding of, like, maybe they won't know. Maybe it's one big line and they're like, like, sorry, like, you don't have a tree, you have a pole.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's a crazy con. You don't have a tree, you have a pole.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, sorry.

[Top Lobster]

Brought up the. The theory of, like, what if. This is because we argue with. We argue with Matt all the time about, like, the Jews and what they're doing there. And I'm like, they're kind of like. They're Polish. They're from all over the place. He's like, oh, but it's a miracle God brought them all back to the land. What if they're just there to kind of, like, take. Take the spots around it and do what they're supposed to do, and then when they do, they're out? Like, the Vatican has, well, breaches.

[Heidi Love]

Want to hear something? The Mormon Church sent Orson Hyde, who was a Jew is his last name was Heidelbaum, but he cut it down and he became one of the first Mormon people. And then he went to Jerusalem before the Balfour Declaration. So before anybody claimed the land. Purpose, say, in a treaty, at least wise. Right? Like, people have claimed the land, but the Balfour Declaration kind of substantiated them as a country, you know? But he went to the Mount of Olives and stuck his flag in the ground and dedicated it to the LDS Church. What does that mean?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it. It goes right in line to that theory of these guys. And it's. It's really sad, man, because it's like a group of people that is a scapegoat almost. They're going to do all this dirty work as we watch the narrative change against them. And we wonder why it's so easy and open now and people, like, have huge platforms and not to. Not to knock anyone.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, no, I get it. No, I get it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's frustrating.

[Top Lobster]

Like, look at what they're doing. It's very frustrating. And they're clearly doing wrong. And now you can kind of build a platform off of. Of like telling the truth and bashing them in a way. But it almost seems like, yeah, it's being presented to us. So that way it can be taken out of the way, but then what replaces that?

[David Lee Corbo]

So you're saying they're seat warming.

[Top Lobster]

They're seat warming for the Vatican or for the Mormon Church. Or maybe there's like going to be a mixture of both of. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

All the time. All the time.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think you're right on with that. Yeah, I think you're right on with that.

[Heidi Love]

Think about the. What does Rothschild mean? It means Red Shield. Shield. What does a shield do? It protects somebody else. That means they're holding the shield. A placeholder for somebody else to be protected.

[Top Lobster]

Bingo.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn. Yeah, that's so interesting too.

[Top Lobster]

Would you have like, you know, I. We always have this art. Sorry, sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

It's like, who the are these people? And then when you bring that up, you can't even get past go. Because they're like the promised people. Look at them and I'm like, I'm looking at them. They're like, I don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't.

[Top Lobster]

I don't think so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, there's like a. This idea of like 13 families that are hidden behind 13 false families.

[Heidi Love]

I've seen that. Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Some of them are Italian. That's funny.

[Top Lobster]

Some of them are Italian. Like the Black nobility. Yeah, most of them.

[Heidi Love]

Yep. Yep.

[David Lee Corbo]

You have no idea.

[Top Lobster]

No idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, we have a third co host. He does a show called Straight Bible and he, you know, he gets. He doesn't understand, like, the conspiracy kind of stuff.

[Top Lobster]

I argue with him. Only on surface level.

[David Lee Corbo]

So.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but I can't admit, like, don't

[David Lee Corbo]

go deep black exactly.

[Top Lobster]

But like surface levels, like we're watching Israel coax America into a war right now, and it's like, can we at least talk about that? It's like, well, why not other countries? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

He'll go, oh, wait, so you mean to tell me that if you don't look at any. Any other thing that's. That's bad, like a pornography company. He's like, you won't find like, let's say like Italians. And it's like, well, actually, I suppose, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But what we're dealing with right now, what you need to see is the superficial evil, and you're not even seeing that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that we can then tell you you're wrong about that so that you

[Heidi Love]

can say you're gonna break his brain. Name.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude. That's. That's really crazy, though. I think you guys nailed it with this idea that they're. They're seat warmers. Because, yeah, if you look at them, I'm gonna go ahead and. Because for lack of better vocabulary, in very many instances when you see them, they have a, you know, I'm just gonna say it, dude. They have like a Neanderthal kind of a visage to them. They look messed up. There's all this inbreeding that begets right within Ashkenazi Jews is a disproportionate amount of. Of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is also something that comes by way of. Of inbreeding. It's very common within inbred families. And I think it's.

[Heidi Love]

It.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you have these, like, almost obvious screwed up people sitting in this chair, warming the seat so that the world can point and go, wait a second. But you first got to get the

[Top Lobster]

world to notice it's an insult. When they go. When they go, yep, this is what God creates.

[David Lee Corbo]

Man is a testicle.

[Heidi Love]

But the thing is, is it can't just be the inbreeding, because here's the thing, they support this too. So the Mormons here reportedly, like, they developed theories on genetics that feed into genetics later. Okay, this guy that settled Davis county and started Davis County Co op. I have a really old book on this. And he talks about how he was breeding his cattle, he was inbreeding them, and then he decided that to keep his bloodline pure, he was going to inbreed his family. And he did, and he does to this day. And they do not prosecute him for it because he gives them a lot of money. They're very rich.

[Top Lobster]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corbo]

How do you. But what happens to them? And they have to all be fully. Now, I, I saw a family recently that was just like, with the oldest inbreeding family and like, you know, some place in the south, and dude was barking like a dog. Like, he was like, they were like, like, he, he goes up to the guy, he's like, show me where the garden is. And the guy goes, and he's like, show me. Show me where the garden is. And then he starts, like, waddling over to the garden and he shows him the garden and he's all excited and I'm like, oh, my God, that's crazy. So. So is this guy's family not.

[Heidi Love]

Not well, they're, they're, they're weird. But here's the weird part is they all. When we talk about inbreeding in America, it gets weird. And it always goes back to these pilgrims people, this pilgrim society, too. Are we all inbreeding that came from that? Like, is that why they only want Mormon blood? Because they know Mormons are, like, completely saturated here. And also, we're like, a 70%, oh, positive blood type here. And also, you know, the genetics, like, in. You know, they supported the Nazis in the war. Like, they inadvertently did it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It.

[Heidi Love]

But they did it. And I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying that there's not issues with all of it. Okay. There's issues on all sides. I agree. And there's issues on where people come from and what's really going on. And Sephardic versus, like, Ashkenazi and all this whole mix and. And taking over. Like, that aside, here's the thing. I think they know. And I think they know because of 2020 and the grab that they did and the genetics knowledge that they've had for so long. Like, they've had this genetic knowledge literally for, like, that guy that I just told you about. That's old. That's really old. Before genetics was even. Whatever, you know, they're just breeding cattle. And so all of this stuff goes back to the thought for me is they know what we all are. And it doesn't matter if you didn't have a test for Covid. It doesn't matter if you didn't do the jab, if you ever had surgery, even at birth. They do a PKU out of the soul of your foot. And. And when I showed you these. Let me show you this one again. When I showed you these drawers. Remember, these are supposed to be file drawers. Okay. These look little to me. That doesn't look like a file to me. That looks small.

[David Lee Corbo]

Little like, just small enough to hold us a sample of DNA.

[Top Lobster]

Safety deposit box.

[Heidi Love]

Have you ever seen a PKU test? I. I'm a nurse. So they look exactly like a bill. Like a bill envelope. That's how big they are. Do you think that would fit perfectly in those drawers?

[David Lee Corbo]

And, dude, like, I don't know how. And I wonder if you find this. Heidi, when you. When you come and share this stuff with people, are they taken back by, like, how much? I mean, when you're talking to us, it's like, the Mormons crazy. Well, no, not. Not crazy. It seems like the Mormons are the big masked player almost.

[Heidi Love]

They are. Look, all of these people, like, if we talk about Skull and Bones, okay, if we talk about family lines, where the bushes are literally related, where we talk about Skull and Bones only has one other satellite, not a different thing. It's an actual satellite. Same chapter, same wax seal, same. Everything is here in Utah. Why? Right. Well, the Russell, the Huntington Russell guy, he was Joseph Smith's cousin. And all these very important people are related 110. And that's why I think, you know, they do this slight little nod for Utah. Like Epstein, like Howard Hughes. That's why they're like, make sure my blood is good. That's why they had segregation. You know, they used to say, like, there's a quote from Brigham Young that says, if you find your wife with a black person, run a knife through both of them and. And do them a favor and spill their blood on the ground. They're talking about blood atonement. They're talking about all this weird, weird stuff. But I'm telling you guys, like, this comes from magic knowledge, right? Master Mahan Kane. This is old as that. You know, this is very old. And so when we talk about this stuff, I don't think it's just the Mormons. I think it's that top 1 to 2% of all religions. And I. I've been tracing. So I'm going to be doing a history podcast soon. Epstein it up like, I was almost ready. Yeah, well, because everybody jumps, and then you jump. And so, of course, when I saw Mormon blood, I had to stop for a minute. But when you see that and you look at all of these religions just go out of it, and you see actually that, you know, the Mormon line of the mother of Joseph Smith goes on to be some of the first bankers ever in Michigan. And they settled Pontiac, Michigan. Yes, I know. Chief Pontiac founded it, but settled permanent settlement. Then they start intermarrying his son intermarries with Native Americans, and then they get all this land grab because of treaties, and then they do the same thing in Hawaii, and they do the same thing overseas. And you see this time and time again, and you go, holy. Like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

How much are they infiltrated? Well, they go to the Rothschilds, they go to the railroads. They go everywhere they're not supposed to be. Even when I'm trying to do a podcast not about Mormons, I'm like, where the are you here?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's your job, Heidi. That's your job. You've been tasked with this. This thing, and I have a feeling there's no pulling yourself away from it. Look, it's.

[Top Lobster]

We haven't asked her because We. We started asking after the last time we had her on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, before we do, I just want to say one more. And we can't open it because it's a can of worms and we have to bring the show in for a landing. But I find it interesting that a lot of the guys that are associated with disclosure right now, like Elizondo and these guys, they came out of like the Robert Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch cam originally, and then. Yeah. And then they kind of like. Like, I don't know, pivoted. And that was like a thing that we kind of get ridiculed. The Skinwalker Ranch. So, like, this is a much more serious endeavor. And I think they probably would be grateful for. For less people knowing that that was kind of how they got their start, was the Robert Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch situation.

[Top Lobster]

Sold that because it was like too much supernatural stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know what.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, he was scaredy pants, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. It's a weird ass spot that you know. But it's.

[Heidi Love]

Well, and for people, that. One more thing just before, because this is a clincher. So I want people to understand too, with JP Morgan and how it relates with the lawsuits, and this includes the Mormon Church, because JP Morgan is still to this day one of their top 10 investments. Bill Gates is not. Somebody tagged me in that one on X and I'm like, do you think they're gonna leave the STD guy there? No, they're not. So, I mean, he's drugging his wife with. It was all nefarious.

[David Lee Corbo]

I learned that he's the STD guy now.

[Heidi Love]

Right, right. And. And this guy Jeff Staley comes up. Did you hear anything about this Jeff Staley?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't think so.

[Heidi Love]

He's all over. He's the personal banker. Okay. Of Epstein, or he was, because.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

He got in trouble. Okay. Well, then I started researching his family line because that's kind of who I am as a person, and that's what I do. So I start going down his family line and what do I find? Mind, he is a banker, no big surprise there, that literally worked with Howard Hughes, the other guy, E. Perry Thomas, to open up Las Vegas, infiltrate the Teamsters Union funds, and use all of this to basically go forward. And I was like, this can't be the same guy. There's no way I'm looking for it right now. And it is. It's the same damn person.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so we all just play together.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. And that's the thing. It Never ends. When I told my mom about it, she was like, what do you mean? And. And this Editas medicine also infiltrates into hhmi. So when we're talking about CRISPR technology, it comes out of hhmi. When we're talking about Editas medicine, it connects to hhmi, which is Howard Hughes Medical Institute. And it also connects back to this other guy that worked with E. Perry Thomas in Las Vegas, who was the J.P. morgan guy's dad. It is his dad. And so I just couldn't believe it. I was like, what?

[David Lee Corbo]

This is what finding is like all of your favorite names in conspiracy all play together.

[Heidi Love]

Yes, a hundred percent.

[Top Lobster]

And definition of conspiracy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, a touche.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Howard Hughes, obviously, he was one of the very first to be completely obsessed with this mapping of the human blueprint. And he put all his money, time and effort into it. And then it's founded where? Right here in Utah with the Human Genome Project at the Alta Club. It. It's funded by all of these people we're talking about. They came here to Utah at. This is the Alta Club job back then. And it's. It's very interesting. Very interesting when we get into all of these startups, where their money came from and how it ties together. Exactly what you said.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, the philanthropy at the BYU is what you. You said. Put a pin in that from that earlier, Epstein.

[Heidi Love]

Yes, 100. And then, you know, I just started traveling down family lines because that's mainly what I'll start doing because I'm like, hey, what. What about this? What about this? And that's how it happens for me. People always say, how do you dig this stuff up? That's how. Because I want to know how and why and where that started. Like, what's going on there? Don't forget we have the genetic capacity to clone dogs. Don't forget Tom Brady did this. Okay? Like, don't think that this can't be done.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dolly the Sheep. That was back in the. In the what, 80s or 90s. Dolly the sheep, like, of course. And that was not the. The cutting edge of what they were capable of. That was just what they were willing to let us see that long ago.

[Heidi Love]

The Raelians say they did it. This weirdo. Real guy, I studied his. His cult. It's. It aligns completely with the Mormon religion. Like, it. It's very telling.

[Top Lobster]

We've been on that guy for about a year or two, or maybe more than that.

[Heidi Love]

Weird. Wild, weird, weird. So don't forget, you guys, that this all ties back straight through and we didn't even get into the satanic really end of it. This.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's what I was gonna say. We have, we have another show coming up in about 15, but I want to extend an invite for a part 2 if you want to.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, we should, we should have more other Mormons on again and then fight with Heidi.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I think from the other Mormons for a year and then we'll come back year.

[Heidi Love]

It would have been fine if it was just your show. They were so weird that they were like making shows. They made like five shows.

[David Lee Corbo]

Somebody's faith. Right? I mean that's, that's it. At the end of the day when you're, when you're doing. When you're.

[Heidi Love]

Do it on the faith, do it on the. The argument of the real stuff. Yeah, yeah, sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Heidi, as we bring it in for a close, number one, like I said, I'd like to offer you a two parter because I think there's a lot more here that we need to be getting into. And, and I feel like as your research is going on, you're going to be uncovering a lot more. So when this is over, you know, you have that link. I would, you know, the door is open to you. Pick a day that works for you and let's run it back. Before we get out of here, Heidi, let's remind everybody where, where they can find your work, your website and everything else.

[Heidi Love]

Okay, awesome. And also to you guys, I've never had you on yet, so invitation extended would be fun. Awesome. Thank you very much. It'll be awesome. Yeah, that'll be fun. So I am Heidi Love. I am of the Unfiltered Rise podcast everywhere. Podcasts are served. But of course unfilteredrisepodcast.com will send you to wherever you need to be. Links to my Patreon, links to other things. I do a medical series with Janet from Deplorable Nation and we go into very strange stuff about medical. So we've done a carnival series about like weird deformities. We've done like our newest one. Obviously aligning with Epstein is all about. It's called all about the Blood and Yeah, so it's pretty interesting. Check it out. You'll get a couple extra shows there and hopefully they'll be interesting to you. And if you're wondering about that HGA video right up there at the top of the pin there, our old murdering friend, he talks all about how the Mormons found their hga. So know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yep, very cool. Yeah, Heidi, You've been crushing it.

[Heidi Love]

Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

The question let you go. How is your. How is your impact with the nurse community? Because I can't talk about it. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

They don't let me talk about it at work.

[Top Lobster]

I guess My. My wife. I'm like, man, like, there. It seems like a. Like a good avenue. Like, you're a nurse. Like, you have a lot to talk about with these guys. But maybe there's just not the. The overlap of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe because it's such a. Legally.

[Heidi Love]

I work at the mental institute.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, interesting.

[Heidi Love]

So they don't want us talking to. They don't want anybody to overhear any weird conversations about the news or about conspiracies because it could mess them up. So they're just like, no. Yeah, none of that. So no talking about homunculus at work. It might screw somebody up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Have you ever talked to Dr. Jerry Marzinski?

[Top Lobster]

No, not yet.

[Heidi Love]

No.

[Top Lobster]

I should.

[Heidi Love]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo]

You have to.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sure you'll find his work fascinating.

[Heidi Love]

I love it. I know. I know what he does. I do want to talk to him. He's great.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I would like to see that episode. That'd be interesting.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Awesome.

[Top Lobster]

For sure.

[Heidi Love]

Well, thanks again, guys. I'm glad it's all straightened out to the other guy. Keep it on the information. Leave my nose out of it or, like, how I look or weird stuff. Also, learn to take a joke. Poor Thomas. There you go. They were making jokes about him, too.

[Top Lobster]

His name's not nice Guy. He's a super nice guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

He is. It's just like, you guys are at odds on. On a faith thing. And that. That's always going to be difficult to. To navigate. But thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. It was good to talk to you again.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, of course. Awesome. Thanks again, guys.

[Top Lobster]

Until next time, don't forget to obey. Submit and comply. We'll catch you in a couple minutes. And that didn't end the show. Again, the end is written in the

[David Lee Corbo]

book, in the pages they foresee. When the last trumpet sound in the heaven.