Esoteric Epstein w/ Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy

Episode: Esoteric Epstein w/ Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra

Date: February 13, 2026
Hosts: David Lee Corbo (Raven), TopLobsta (Chipa)
Guests: Red Panda Koala, Tupacabra

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the intersections of UFO/UAP disclosure, government narrative control, occult and esoteric underpinnings, and recent revelations from the Epstein files—through a comedic yet incisive Christian-conspiratorial lens. Frequent collaborators Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra join Raven and Chipa to examine cultural, spiritual, and social engineering at play in disclosure movements, online communities, and even in supposed whistleblower-controlled environments. As humor and meme warfare emerge as powerful tools for exposing hypocrisy and manipulation, the group explores the deeper, sometimes very dark, implications of current events and hidden networks.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

Introducing the Guests and Their Work (04:13 – 06:47)

• Red Panda Koala: Discusses his multiple YouTube channels (documentaries, UFO history archive, livestreams) and how his background in history and video fuels his conspiratorial research.
  • “I do have three YouTube channels... My main one, my OG one... I have another one called Red Panda Koala UFO History Archive.” (04:13 - Red Panda Koala)
• Tupacabra: Simply posts on X, Instagram, TikTok, archives videos, and infuses AI art with original satire—particularly on UFO personalities and lore.
  • “My background's in video... instead of having to go film stuff, I just make it and then I edit it...” (06:47 – Tupacabra)
• Both guests have faced account takedowns and attacks for their content.

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Is AI Art Real Art? (05:08 – 08:16)

• The group defends AI as an artistic toolbox, comparable to Photoshop, allowing creative visions previously barred by budget.
  • “What previously restricted great creators... is the budget.” (08:16 - David Lee Corbo)

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Comedy & Meme Warfare in the UAP Community (08:32 – 14:29)

• Humor as Weapon: Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra explain the importance of comedy in diffusing the overly self-serious culture of UFO disclosure.
  • “Humor is just the best way to handle some of this stuff...” (09:57 – Tupacabra)
  • “Some of our memes and stuff get more eyes seen on it than some of the more serious kind of stuff...” (11:13 – Red Panda Koala)
• Comedy is shown to move culture more than “suit and tie” attempts, and is the best way to navigate the often cult-like and toxic elements of the community.
• Deliberate effort is made to keep satire from devolving into ridicule and to maintain integrity.
  • “We made an effort to keep this really silly, really silly, because these guys just want to be taken seriously so badly.” (14:42 – David Lee Corbo)

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The Narrative Machinery: Disclosure, Psyops, and Control (16:14 – 24:49)

• 2017 Disclosure Moment: Red Panda Koala details how “narrative control” connects the Cold War era (CIA’s Robertson panel) with current-day disclosure and debunking.
  • “There’s a lot of fake BS in here, but there’s definitely a solid through line...” (16:14 – Red Panda Koala)
• Governments used UFO stories historically to influence perception and control discourse, as documented in coups and psyops.
  • “One of the documents... was to fake UFO stories and, like, so, like, this UFO thing has kinda been a part of the whole Cold War thing since the beginning too.” (18:46 – Red Panda Koala)
• Modern disclosure is still heavily stage-managed, co-opted by advisors (Lou Elizondo, David Grusch) to Hollywood projects, always keeping within “NDA approved lines.” Spielberg and Bruckheimer’s projects are cited as contemporary vectors for narrative control.
  • “These two big projects... they’re all going to still be this kind of like government approved kind of narrative control thing.” (24:21 – Red Panda Koala)

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The Spiritual/Demonic Overlap in UAP Phenomena (25:50 – 33:44)

• Paranormal Aftereffects: Discussion focuses on CE5 (Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind) and its reported links to poltergeist activity, sleep paralysis, and demonic phenomena.
  • “I tell people don’t do CE5. I’ve seen people... thought it was the greatest thing ever. And then before you know it... they’re having poltergeist stuff and it’s affecting their family...” (26:07 – Red Panda Koala)
• Strong overlap between biblical “demonic” encounters and modern alien abductions, particularly the abduction/hybridization narrative.
  • “In my opinion, it’s very much the presence of something spiritual or conscious in nature and the whole physical craft... it’s a red herring meant to make you more vulnerable to being preyed upon by these things...” (29:46 – Tupacabra)
• Christianity is often scapegoated as blocking “disclosure,” yet the group argues ignoring spiritual implications is deliberate misdirection.

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Occult, Esoteric, and Secret Societies in Disclosure (35:06 – 40:09)

• Rosicrucian, mystical, and Gnostic underpinnings persist in the highest circles of ufology. Prominent figures (e.g., Vallée, Hynek, Pasulka) are named as having roots in these intellectual traditions or think-tanks (“The Invisible College”).
  • “She said that Jacques Vallée and J. Allen Hynek were both devout Rosicrucians... I was like, okay, what’s going on?” (35:12 – Tupacabra)
• The current UAP disclosure push allegedly aligns with New Age and Rosicrucian ideals, funded by major foundations (Rockefeller, Podesta, Clinton).

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Narrative Control, Smear Campaigns, and Gatekeeping (42:24 – 50:45)

• Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra describe sustained harassment, deplatforming, and doxxing from entrenched UAP disclosure actors for breaking narrative and using comedy.
  • “They were sending dossiers of our families where our families live to, like, literally suicidal people...” (43:35 – Red Panda Koala)
• There’s a coordinated effort of “astroturfing” and blackballing, with channels only promoted if they toe the official line.
  • “There's a concerted effort to make sure these guys don't go on anyone’s channel who don’t toe the line...” (49:15 – Tupacabra)

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Parallels Between UAP Disclosure, QAnon, and SI-FI Cultism (55:47 – 58:05)

• The “Galactic Federation of Light” mythology mirrors the structure and passivity of QAnon—anonymous messianic salvation delivered via coded messaging and cult leadership, discouraging action.
  • “It’s an anonymous source on the Internet. It’s New Agey. It’s a federation... They’re worried the Earth is being suppressed by satanic forces... just hold on because they’re going to liberate us. It’s the same thing as Patriots are in control, we’re coming to the rescue.” (56:55 – David Lee Corbo)
• This narrative ensures those hungry for meaning remain submissive and easily steered.

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Epstein Files: Occult Networks and UAP – The Ties That Bind (62:02 – 74:45)

• Epstein’s Network: The recently released Epstein DOJ files are described as suspiciously all-encompassing, tying him to every major conspiracy—prompting skepticism about actual narrative aims.
• Direct connections: Ghislaine Maxwell's family ties to Jack Parsons, Crowley; AI- and New Age-oriented UAP startups linked by funding and social circles.
  • “Alex Clocus, funder of telepathy tapes and sky watcher... Frank Molina, friend of Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley...” (63:27 – Red Panda Koala)
• Telepathy Tapes and Autism: Connections are drawn between experimental “telepathy” projects, autism, vaccination, and “free-range MKUltra”—with claims of trauma-induced dissociation unlocking psychic phenomena.
  • “You have kids who have been given vaccines to force them into a dissociative state. And now... they can communicate telepathically... MKUltra works...” (68:33 – Chipa)

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Government Psyops, Havana Syndrome, and Narrative Turmoil (74:45 – 77:39)

• Recent “Havana Syndrome” events, mass document dumps (Epstein files), and the drumbeating toward disclosure are seen as psychological operations—preludes to social upheaval or scapegoating, rather than transparency.
  • “I have this weird kind of stirring in my spirit. I’m like, what’s, what’s about to happen?... Last time... they shut the world down.” (74:45 – David Lee Corbo)
• The group discusses biblical “seed wars,” cannibalism, and human loosh as frameworks for understanding the elite’s motives and the spiritual economy behind suffering and control.

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Genetic & Spiritual Hybridization, Data Mining, and Psychological Manipulation (79:21 – 87:00)

• Modern Hybrid Programs: Participants detail how experiencers’ data (including blood, DNA, trauma profiles) are actively collected via new companies and apps (e.g., Skywatcher, Enigma Labs) tied to UAP/DoD insiders.
  • “If they can cross reference your UFO sighting... they could be like, oh, this person's legit. Now why they need to know if you were special or different genetically is... this kind of calls back...” (81:01 – Tupacabra)
• The need for human belief and “consent” by the non-human entities is highlighted; the spiritual realm is legalistic, consent-based, and these entities use technology and trauma to enter and manipulate.
  • “It’s like they need us... as vessels to even interact with the physical world... Are you just basically telling people, let’s all ask to be demonically possessed?” (86:20 – Red Panda Koala)

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Schizophrenia, Channeling, and the Medical-Occult Divide (87:00 – 98:54)

• Extensive look at the overlap between schizophrenia, REM sleep, trauma, and “possession,” both within mainstream psychology and occult narratives.
  • “It really appeared that it was unintentional REM sleep while awake...” (88:16 – Tupacabra)
  • “Dr. Jerry Marzinski... clinical psychologist... after 35 years... demons and demonic are the best descriptives of this thing...” (92:43 – David Lee Corbo)
• Observations that a majority of mental health and science fields have been purposely limited, misdirected, or outright corrupted—possibly to keep spiritual reality suppressed or weaponized.

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Future of Disclosure and Final Thoughts (98:54 – 108:54)

• The guests predict “mainstream” UFOlogy will collapse under its own contradictions—narrative strings between Epstein, MKUltra, and New Age cults are too clear, grassroots panels and real experiencers will reclaim the conversation.
  • “I think moving forward... this illusion is going to dissolve... people find out how married the UFO idea... is to Epstein, to MKUltra...” (99:31 – Tupacabra)
• The Role of Comedy & Holy Fools: The hosts and guests reflect on online persecution, creative freedom, and their role as “holy fools” or court jesters, using meme warfare and truth-telling to puncture official narratives.
  • “It’s the job of the holy fool or the jester to speak to the king in a time where when you tell the truth, you get your head cut off.” (107:26 – Chipa)
• Are You Having Fun? – Both guests resoundingly say yes, finding fulfillment in community, creative output, and memes that outmaneuver institutional narrative control.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

On Art and AI:

• “If they can cut it together, that’s an art. And that’s where I think it kind of stands out... I want to make things I could have never afforded to film.”
  — Tupacabra (06:47)

On Comedy as Truth Serum:

• “Comedy is an awesome vector or vessel for truth.”
  — David Lee Corbo (11:53)

On UAP Narrative Control:

• “Even the way it’s framed, I believe, is a psyop... It presents a lot of like pseudo religious or pretty fundamentally religious ideas and repackages them in a sci-fi way.”
  — Tupacabra (20:20)

On Demonic/Alien Overlap:

• “If you were PR for the Grays, you’d be like, there’s simply no way we could rebrand you.”
  — David Lee Corbo (28:04)
• “It’s all just kind of different words for the same kind of thing.”
  — Red Panda Koala (26:58)

On Astroturfing and Gatekeeping:

• “There’s a concerted effort to make sure these guys don’t go on anyone’s channel who don’t toe the line.”
  — Tupacabra (49:15)

On the Power of Meme Warfare:

• “I see like, it’s like the essence of humanity. You’re discovering something new and, and I could see when you guys find something new and you’re like, oh, like you, like, you’re hyped about it...”
  — Chipa (108:07)

On the Future of Disclosure:

• “The illusion’s going to dissolve... the people’s stories being the most important aspect.”
  — Tupacabra (99:31, 101:07)

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Significant Timestamps

• Comedy in Disclosure: 09:56 – 13:32
• Demonic/Spiritual UAP Connections: 25:50 – 29:46
• Gatekeeping and Smears: 42:24 – 50:45
• Epstein, Skywatcher, Telepathy Tapes: 62:02 – 72:58
• Schizophrenia/Channeling: 87:00 – 98:54
• Final Reflections & “Are You Having Fun?” 105:16 – 108:54

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Summary prepared in the playful-yet-scorching tone of the original podcast. For more on their references, check out Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra’s channels and support independent meme lords everywhere.

Transcript

[Tupacabra]

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[Chipa]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Level of Death Squad. When the last trumpet sound sounds and the heavens crack, blah, blah blah blah. Welcome bla ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And we are guaming at you live from the Standard coffee shop and casino, Slash NDS Studios and fabrication shop. Before we get into today's show, Nancy, say hi.

[Chipa]

No, no, no, no. Who cares about Nancy? We're talking about our our plugs.

[David Lee Corbo]

I thought you said you fixed this.

[Chipa]

Well, oh well, now I did, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Anyway, patreon.com forward slash, nephilim death Squad. Go there and support us. You'll gain early access to episodes for the general public. You'll get unedited versions as well as early dibs on tickets to Bohemian Grove when they drop. When they drop. And a little discount code off of merchandise from top bl. I think the Epstein List shirt is more potent.

[Chipa]

I gotta take it down.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I think.

[Chipa]

I think it's perfect because still shines.

[David Lee Corbo]

Honestly, the Dan Bongino shirt is maybe the best.

[Chipa]

You can put that shirt on anything. Listen, we have great guests today. We've already blew the guest.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know I asked you if we had that figured out, guys. Joining us today is Red Panico, Wallet and Tupac Cabra, two heavy hitters from Twitter, I guess. Formerly Twitter, now X. And guys whose work we've been a big fan of for some time. We've actually brought you guys up on the show a lot, especially, you know, in regards to disclosure. We're going to get into that today. But first let's talk about where everybody can find and support your work. We'll start with Panda.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, Red Panda Koala. I'm on Tick Tock, Instagram X under Red Panda Koala. And then I do have three YouTube channels. So red panda koala, my main one, my OG one. So I put my documentaries out. I have another one called Red Panda Koala UFO History Archive. And that's where I just put a bunch of like old clips and stuff that I have like on my hard drive that's not monetized. And then I have my third one, which is like, I'm starting to try and grow it just for building or for live streams and stuff like that. Trying to do like the vetted model on that one.

[David Lee Corbo]

You've been doing a lot of live streams lately. I've been seeing you, especially in regards to the Epstein files. And you're kind of picking them apart live, which is very cool. So, yeah, guys, go over and support Red Panda, Tupacabra. Where. What do you do? Where can people find what you do?

[Tupacabra]

What up? I. I mostly just kind of post on X. You can find me there, you know what I mean? Under Tupacabra. And then also Instagram and Tick Tock. I have accounts there too. And I do have a YouTube channel, but, you know, I just throw some of my longer form videos on there.

[Chipa]

I think your Instagram is done.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think you got terminated. We just. We just discovered that. Yeah, It's very cool. These. I've been seeing you have this conversation with people where it's like, is AI art art? And I gotta, I have to side with you. I think, you know, there's obviously levels to anything. It's like, is a crayon picture art? Well, I don't know. If you draw a stick figure, maybe it's not art, but if you can make something, you know, impressive and considerable that leaves an impression on the viewer, then, yeah, I would say it is art. And you've done that with AI. Anybody can put a prompt in the videos that you have been creating and the lore that you've been creating in these AI videos with the thick whites and, and what you've done with, with these guys, like, like Elizondo or like Stephen Greer or any of these characters is phenomenal. It's the best shit.

[Chipa]

I'll defend, I'll defend Dupa really quickly because I do see this argument, and I'm a graphic designer myself, whereas before, let's say I'm going to design something. I don't know, like, I want a raven and a lobster in my head. I'm not going to be able to really nail that. So we'll use references. And it's the same thing with tattoo artists, right? You'll have a couple of references. They'll put them together, they'll put it in their program, and maybe they'll use like either Photoshop or whatever the fucking note I use Affinity Designer. And then they'll work it out and mix. It's like you're just using a medium that does it faster and probably way more accurately. But, like, it's from your brain. This is art that you want to put out and have it out there. And you'd be able to do that. It would just be like, super painstaking.

[Red Panda Koala]

So he's out there.

[Tupacabra]

Quick. Yeah, like, my, my background's in video, so I used to, I. I had my own video company for like 15 years. I, I shot and directed and edited all my own stuff, anything from music videos to commercials. So all I did was instead of having to go film stuff, I just make it and then I edit it the same way. I storyboard it the same way. I edited the same way. It's all, it's always the same product. But I mean, you know, if I wasn't doing every part of the, every job along part of the production line, then, you know, you could isolate it and say, like, the editing of these AI videos is. This is as crucial and isn't it has as much integrity as editing anything Else it doesn't really matter where the editor gets the footage from or what it's for. If they can cut it together, that's an art. And that's where I think it kind of stands out, is that I'm putting videos together the same way they've always been put together. So it makes, it makes the AI stuff feel more real. Like, it makes it feel like an actual experience you have to watch through. Because I've been making experiences forever and like, yeah, the, the flack about is AI art is always cracks me up because with video there's multiple parts to it. And I never claim that I'm out there filming these things, you know, like, like that's why I try to make ridiculous stuff. So it's already like, what the heck? Because I want to make things that I could have never afforded to film. You know, I, I never had a million dollar budget to make somebody's rap video, dude. I never had that. Like, I want a helicopter shot. You know what I mean? I want, I want people like on cars and stuff. But that you're, that's completely outside of your realm of possibility as independent artist now. It's not. So I'm gonna do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, that's a great actual, that's a really great insight because it's like what previously restricted great creators from creating something that, you know, you would typically see on TV is the budget.

[Chipa]

Sometimes I look at the B roll.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Chipa]

Ancient aliens, and I'm like, look at these B roll.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Chipa]

Like they spent billions of dollars probably to go to these places. And now you just kind of type.

[David Lee Corbo]

It in and it, it closes that gap. And, and now it's, it's really just like your ability to sequence and create these things and, and, and translate your ideas onto a visual piece. That's, that's the thing that actually counts now. So in that way, yeah, I agree. Fantastic. Content. And right now. Well, actually, before you guys have, have crossed this, this, it looks like you've crossed a bit of a threshold recently. It looked like not long ago, you, you were having fun. And I want to talk about that threshold. You're still having fun. I want to talk about that threshold. But first, what I want to discuss is the comedy angle that you're injecting into UAP disclosure. Because what's obvious to me is everybody who's surrounding this, whether it's a Stephen David Wilcox, Lou Elizondo, you name it, they all really want to be taken seriously. And in some ways they're similar to like a Politician, Right. That's, that's kind of what we're getting. We're getting politicians that are representing disclosure. And before things got weird, you were taking the piss out of them in a really big way. And I gotta say, I'm a fan of that. Was that like your intention? I mean, you have like, you guys have this troll angle that you approach this situation with.

[Red Panda Koala]

I know you got some good stuff on this one.

[Tupacabra]

Humor is just the best way to handle some of this stuff. We, you know, we didn't get in. I, I didn't get into this. And me and Panda been like friends online about this on this topic for years. You know, like, and when Twitter began to become like a landscape to explore, you know, like, we were like on like back channels talking about this with big groups. Like, oh, no, have you guys heard about this, this video, this, this ghost video? That was fun. That was exciting. But yeah, getting into it through Twitter, you're kind of in another lane. It's a whole different kind of ball game. And you know, you, at first you want to push it forward. You want everything to be on the up and up. You're making videos about Elizondo, you're about Whitley Strieber, you're making it so it works and you're trying to, you know, I was trying to add production value to it. And then when everything got really goofy, it's like, well, the only way to deal with this is humor. Right? But, but humor is really important because, like, the best impressions are, are done by people who kind of have a respect for the person they're doing impersonations of. And when all you do is hate it, your jokes become very mean spirited and they don't really land. I still love the topic. So when, you know, when it came out of mocking it or, or parodying it or being satirical, it always came from a place of love. Like, I wanted to see the good stuff come through and the bad stuff. Like, it's okay to laugh at it. It's okay to laugh at someone channeling. It's okay to be like, this claim is crazy, you know, and so, yeah, that's one of the things.

[Red Panda Koala]

I think it helps the whole movement too, to be honest. Like, it creates this whole kind of like cultural momentum as opposed to just like a strictly like suit and tie kind of thing. And it kind of helps. Yeah, take some of the steam off of it. There's a lot of weird and it's just. There's a lot of funny stuff too. And. Yeah, I mean, like, some of Our memes and stuff get more eyes seen on it than like, some of the more serious kind of stuff will be clipping. And, you know, and. And I think it all helps.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think that that is also really keen observation that the memes are going to put more of a spotlight on this phenomenon than maybe some of this, like, attempts to be buttoned up and suit and tie. Because there's a whole percentage of. Well, even besides that percentage of the population. Comedy is an awesome vector or vessel.

[Chipa]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

For truth.

[Chipa]

How long ago, how long did you guys start exploring the comedy route with this, the UFO phenomenon?

[Tupacabra]

We never. I never. I don't remember ever sitting down and being like, yo, let's be funny. You know what I mean? It just, it's just like we were so close to it that the jokes, they rang true with people. Like when I, you know, the. The joke about Hood Greer came from, because Stephen Greer went on Vlad tv and I was like, that's really funny. That's like a random place for him to be. And then he went on Chloe Kardashian's podcast and I was like, this dude. So that I just played him up like he's trying to be like, hella street, you know, And I made these little mock videos and they just kind of blew up. People thought they were so funny. And so like, it just came from making jokes and then having them kind of catch. And when they caught on more than the. What the. What the clip should have been about, or whatever, then I was like, oh, this is. This is funny, you know?

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. And it was kind of like on X. Because right. On my YouTube channel, my OG one, it's like kind of a little more of a button and tie kind of vibe, like edited documentaries, whatnot. But then also kind of with this like hate group stuff, kind of with what you were saying about, like, a lot of times comedy is a perfect vector for like uncomfortable discussions to be had in. Because it, like there's this kind of like, lets your guard down or there's this kind of wall barrier of memes where this hate group stuff, which we'll get into later, I'm sure just all the crazy doxing and harassment that's been going on for years. A lot of people are really uncomfortable to, like, talk about it now. More and more people are. But for years, people were afraid to even talk about it unless we started injecting, like little meme moments about it. Right. And then people who would never like, engage with the posting, like, oh, Lou's harassing people. They Might like, retweet or comment under, like, lol. Like a memetic comedic take on a moment like that. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Well, let me ask you this then. On a more serious note, Panda, you know your content, at least on one of your channels. You gotta.

[Chipa]

But I feel like we should explain because I see some of the. In the YouTube chat, not familiar with what we do. When I said explore comedy, I'm just. I'm kind of like asking a nuts and bolt question. Nuts and bolts question. Because it's exactly what I do with what, like the realm that we're in. So we're in, like this Christian conspiracy sort of realm and before that, political sort of realm. But I operate in the absurd and like the extreme absurd to the point where, like, I. I like to mix it up and I don't do it as much anymore, but I would just, like, make lies and see what people would believe and really, like, create this chaos and confusion. And there's an element of comedy that makes it go. And it's. I just. I love creating that weird dividing line between people where, like, they don't know what's exactly real and what's fake, but everybody's angry. And then you can get actual real responses out of people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And. And also it's worth saying that, you know, earlier, Trooper Copper was saying that, you know, it's not like a malicious thing. It comes from, like a.

[Chipa]

If you're not having fun with it, like, it's difficult.

[David Lee Corbo]

It can be a difficult line to walk because jokes can turn into ridicule, which are still one foot in the joke realm, but now they have one foot in, like, the accusatory or, like, kind of a nasty place. And, you know, a lot of people saw, for example, our interactions with. With Albarino. We've unpacked it so many times. He is close to this whole UAP disclosure situation, but it was. It was a bit of a tightrope. We had to make a concerted effort because, you know, dupe. When you said, like, oh, I never set out to do this thing. We did make a conscious effort at one point to be like, we're not gonna get vicious, you know, because we. We've had a history, especially on X, of like, dragging people in a pretty spectacular way. We made an effort to keep this really silly, really silly, because these guys just want to be taken seriously so badly. And. And I. And I realized at some point, like, that's the Achilles heel, because you can throw.

[Chipa]

I mean, the. The example would have Been Covid. It's a trillion dollar propaganda machine that was just had the wheels taken off of it by means, basically.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was looking at your, your YouTube and it's like one of your accounts. You've got really great videos going back as far as four years ago. And I imagine that you didn't just wake up four years ago and start doing this. I imagine you've been at it for a while. So these are really thoughtful pieces on the UFO phenomenon. What, what got you?

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. Origin story of it. Yeah. So basically what did I do? I graduated college in 2016 and I went to go like work in LA and I was always really into history, so I wanted to do like a history YouTube channel. Wasn't really into the UFO stuff. I remember like listening to coast to coast now and then, like on long drives growing up and stuff, like family trips and stuff, just when it was late. Not like my parents are into it or anything either. And then I was saving up for a computer to start editing and I wanted to really do like coups. I was really interested in like the Cold War and kind of like the spy versus spy kind of stuff. Like I would have done like the Guatemalan coup or, you know what I mean, things like that, like how how like controlling the narratives and narrative control and influence and stuff could like change things. I found that very fascinating. And then right as I basically had enough money and saved up for a computer, that's when all the 2017 stuff broke. And I hadn't really looked into it yet. And then I finally did and it was just like once I looked into it, I was like, oh shoot, this stuff's pretty real. There's a lot of fake BS in here, but there's definitely a solid through line. Like pretty interesting history. And it all kind of ties in with the Cold War stuff and the narrative control stuff too. So it's just kind of like a perfect little like on like switching over. Especially because I didn't find like there was videos like what I had like envisioned. Like I'd like to unwanted. And that's kind of why. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

When you say 2017, do you mean like when they came out and they're like, we've, we've recovered off world craft.

[Red Panda Koala]

It was written like the first three Navy videos really dropped and Lou came out on the scene and TTSA and yeah, that whole thing. And then you'll kind of notice too, like I kind of shoot in like some of my videos. I do talk about some of these old coups. Or that's kind of why I think even with some of the. The hate group stuff, like, I'm very interested in the narrative control elements of it even going back, right. Because I feel like there's more concrete evidence of that than a video per se. For example, like the Robertson panel, if you guys are familiar with, like, in the 1950s when the CIA held this convention and there's documents you could read that are like, totally say documents about, like, how they want to control the narrative and they want to add debunking into the zeitgeist. Like, I find those little moments, like, a little more significant. And even with stuff today, right. Like, there's certain topics where when you touch on them, you get hit with this hate group stuff, which is just a modern narrative control mechanism. And to me, that shows, like, there's something there.

[Chipa]

Yeah, keep going. So it's actually interesting we, we like to unpack the events of like, 1947 all the time. But I didn't realize that the Truman doctrine was also 1947 and that is the beginning of the Cold War. Could you, like, fill me in a little bit on that? Because my history is kind of weak in that aspect.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, I mean, well, the Cold War was kind of going on for a while, even before that too. But yeah, after World War II, I mean, the Soviet Union and United States of America were just like two spheres of influence with two competing things. And yeah, they were just constantly trying to undermine each other and influence different countries that were kind of on the peripheries of these two ideologies. And it's interesting too is like, even the CFO stuff will pop in there. So as I mentioned, one of the reasons why they did the Robertson panel in the 1950s was because they were afraid of the Soviet Union weaponizing UFO flaps or even fake flaps, narratives to inject into the, like, what is it? The information stream just kind of messed stuff up. And it's even funny, like, we. The unofficial reason that we are all about debunking UFOs in the 50s was because of that. But then we were also doing that at the same time where in the 1954 Guatemalan coup that the US did over bananas in Guatemala. Right. One of the documents you could read in the CIA was that they wanted to, amidst all the storm of various different things they were doing, to like, inject into the information space was to fake UFO stories and, like, so, like, this UFO thing has kind of been a part of the whole Cold War thing since the beginning too. To be Honest.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. So then I wonder how you're looking at, and this is a, a question for, for both of you guys, how you're looking at modern day UFO disclosure? I mean, narrative control seems to be the most apt way of describing what we're bearing witness to.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, Tuba, you want to go for that? I kind of was riffing.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, the narrative control is really strong. I mean I, I personally believe that like really it's in, it's ingrained in every aspect of the UFO topic as a researcher. Right. Like even the way it's framed, I believe is a psyop. Like the idea that it appeals to scientism and it presents a lot of like pseudo religious or pretty fundamentally religious ideas and it repackages them in a sci fi way or a science fiction way. That's interesting. It, it that. I think that's one of the most interesting aspects, but also that frames everything. It goes on to frame how people think about this. I've talked to maybe thousands of different people who look at this topic through spaces and, and whatnot. And there's this like pre, like a preconceived notion that everyone has and it's the one that was implanted there from the beginning of this phenomenon by the government, by the media. And they're the people who adhere to that the most are the ones who reject new ideas, new possibilities. The strongest, and I think that's one of the most effective aspects of this phenomenon, of the research, of the control part anyway. Because if they control how you could look at it, they don't even need to sit there and continue to affect you. You're going to carry that with you as you, and as you get new information and as you share that information.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's one of the most alarming parts about all this to me is like the, the UFO disclosure as it stands right now is in lockstep with that preconceived notion that you just said like most people have. And I would say like one of the strongest driving forces behind that. And you can speculate as to what's behind that driving force. But the strongest driving force behind the preconceived notions we have about UFOs, it comes from Hollywood, right? Like overwhelmingly, they've been fleshing out the narrative through compelling storytelling for a long time. They've hijacked, you know, mankind has this, this strange, it's like a gift, but it's also a curse, a sort of softness for storytelling. It's a great way to preserve a set of Values or, or even, you know, history over time. But it's also a great way to sneak in some lies. And so where I'm sitting at right now, I'm looking at the narrative as it stands and I'm going, this is, this is basically what Hollywood has cooked up for us. And sure it's, it's backed by, you know, historical events in some way, shape or form, but those historical events are usually passing through the filter of, you know, military intelligence. And that's how it reaches, you know, the general public. And then you'll reach back in time, look at an event and say, let's make a, you know, a piece of fiction about this.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

And so I have some of my old videos or. Go for it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, no, I was gonna say I think it's a magnificent rebranding. But. But go ahead.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, some of my old videos cover that too in depth of like they were messing with scripts in the 50s on TV shows about UFOs and whatnot. And they were messing with movies on both ways, injecting like pro UFO stuff and like telling them to tone it down if you want access to like government planes in your product. And then it goes through, even through today where some of the biggest movies coming out. Spielberg's right. Have you guys heard this rumor that allegedly lose an advisor on that shit?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know if it's true or.

[Red Panda Koala]

Not, but they had.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, what's this guy's name that co directed with Spielberg? Who, who's the Dance? Yeah, he did the Age of Disclosure.

[Red Panda Koala]

Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, rumor is losing an advisory now. If you look at Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which came out in the 70s, Spielberg's other like big UFO movie, he had J. Allen Heineck.

[Tupacabra]

Right.

[Red Panda Koala]

The big blue book debunker. The big government whistleblower who went. Or whistleblower UFO guy. So I've heard rumors that it's Lou and then. But even if you want to take a separate view of that, the other big project going out in Hollywood is the Jerry Bruckheimer production, which is the same people who did Top Gun Maverick. And apparently that one has an advisor of David Grush. And I personally like Grush, but both Lou and Grush stay within a certain NDA approved line. Right. So it just goes to show you, these two big projects that are going to hit the zeitgeist, the Spielberg movie and the Grush movie, they're all going to still be this kind of like government approved kind of narrative control thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

What bums me out is that it looks good. Like we watched the trailer for Disclosure Day and I was like, this kind of crushes.

[Chipa]

They nail all the things and it's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Filled like in the background. It's like, you know, Cardinal. Yeah, the cardinal and the monarch and the, the monarch butterfly. And it's like filled with all like the kind of esoteric symbolism that points to some of these, these channel psychological operations. Yeah, the channeling, it's, it's interesting because even Greer, who I believe the CE5 app is Greer's.

[Red Panda Koala]

Right? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that app, it, it creates not only this effect where you seem to be able to call in UFOs into this reality. And I know that the backbone of it is binaural beats, which is like the Gates program. Like this is, this is something that has been what the intelligence community is interested in for a long time, as.

[Chipa]

Far as been developing since 1947.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. What, what frequency does to the mind, what frequency does to maybe the traumatized mind is a whole bunch of things that they're experimenting on. But it doesn't just stop at like calling UFOs in. It's like people that do the CE5 app will experience poltergeist activity in their home. They'll have sleep paralysis, they'll have demonic encounters and everything. And so, you know, on this show we believe that the overlap between, you know, the alien phenomenon and demonic encounters is, is almost a one to one. It's just a slightly different visage. But that whole thing should be giving people pause.

[Chipa]

That's interesting. So you do agree with. Because we were asking before the show, you're like, you guys are Christians, you come from a Christian standpoint. And that could put us in firmly in a camp of like, you know, I guess what a lot of people would want to say, the Collins elite would point at these things and go demons and yellow. But you agree with that as well.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, and it's, you know, I've seen people, I tell people don't do CE5. I've seen people, multiple people over X over the years, you know, because we do spaces a lot too. So it's kind of like this almost recurring, not support group, but almost like you're plugged into like different experiences over extended periods of time. Which is something Valet did back in the day too. We're just kind of doing it online in a more casual way. And I've seen people come and go who were all into the C5 app, thought it was the greatest thing ever. And then before you know it, like you said, they're they're having poltergeist stuff and it's affecting their family and stuff like that. And.

[Tupacabra]

And they're getting hit up in the back channels.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, they're getting. They're getting prodded up by like weird intel agents and stuff. And I've just seen this story happen time and time again. And that's why, I mean, demon within the strictly Christian framework. I don't know if I go there. I think tuba kind of goes there, but I kind of go there too in the same way. It's like all kind of the same thing as far as I'm concerned. Like, it's all just kind of different words for like, the same kind of thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I. The point that I came to was like, demon, as the Bible describes it.

[Chipa]

Demonic would be demonic.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is it better? But it's like in opposition to mankind and in opposition to. To God, the creator of the universe. But it's a good thing about the nature.

[Chipa]

Some of the people. We're gonna go behind the paywall right now.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's right.

[Chipa]

It'll be released in a week or so. There's a seven day free trial on the Patreon. Let's keep this wait.

[Red Panda Koala]

This is gonna be all free? No, I'm just kidding.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. But I do think that demon does a really good job at like, the, the nature of these things, because if you look at disclosure, it's trying to pull us in an opposite direction. Now people like, you know, Albarino have said, well, the Grays are demonic. And I think it's pretty hard to say anything other than that because they're taking you against your will, they're performing experiments on you. In some instances, they're impregnating women, they're taking, you know, loads from dudes and creating hybrid babies. It's like all of that, you know, I think the branding on. On, it's not good. Like, if you were PR for the Grays, you'd be like, there's simply no way that we could rebrand you.

[Chipa]

So.

[David Lee Corbo]

But they are. There are people that are taking this position of like, well, what about the Pleiadians? What about the tall. What. Or the thick whites or these things? And. And now, you know, within the body of abductee experience, I've heard plenty of stories. One of. One of the most compelling ones in my opinion comes from Karen Wilkinson. Her book is covered up right now. But, you know, she's an author, works with La Marzulli's team. She's been abducted for a long time and she says yes Stolen seed, Evil harvest, maybe stealing that seed. Her, her, her story is really remarkable, but it's not completely unique. And, and in her testimony, she's talked about how they're all present. You know, so you're being taken by the Grays, but you end up in a place where the, the tall Grays are there, the Insectoids are there, the Pleiadians are there. So I don't know exactly. The disclosure, you said that they're staying within these bounds, right, where it's like kind of government approved narrative right now. Because even though we're marching towards it, they're being very careful to not get into the conversation of the nature of these things. And that to me is the most important thing. I don't care about technology or, or anything like that. First and foremost, I, I care about their intent. You know, if we're dealing with something that's external to the human race and it's highly advanced, if that's what you, you want us to, to believe, then the immediate question I'm going to have is what is it? What is its nature? Is this.

[Red Panda Koala]

And we know they know, right? And they always, they always dumb it down like, oh, we don't know what they are. We don't know what they're. It's like, no, we know you guys all know a little more than what you're saying. And so they're totally intentionally dumbing it down. And yeah, gotta wonder why.

[Tupacabra]

I, I think it's, it's evidence that they're demons, are demonic. And like, there's no other scenario that makes sense in my mind. When you game it out that the government is aware that these things are non physical, that they're spiritual in nature and that they have no way to defend you from them. And it represents a higher power. There's no government on earth that would bow down to a higher power that have the ability to enter your bedroom, right, or enter your life without. Because you're basically accepting and the government's announcing there's a higher power than us that you guys should pledge allegiance to, right? And the system that exists that has these spiritual things and all this other stuff, that's a better system than what we're presenting here. Those are rules that you're going to have to live and die by. You might not, you know, want to pay a tax. You might not want to support this thing. So the government, I think by nature can't, can't admit it. They can't say, hey, this is what this is also because it's I mean, America's a melting pot of different ideas and this would really narrow those options down quite a bit. Right. And so the up, the upturn or uproar or upheaval that it would cause I think would be significant. But there's all, in my opinion, it's very much the presence of something spiritual or conscious in nature and the whole physical craft, physical, alien, that part of it, it's a, it's a red herring meant to make you more vulnerable to the, to, to being preyed upon by these things, which is dangerous. Like, if there's a 1% chance these things are, are demonic in nature, satanic in nature, evil in nature, then we should be very much prepared for that. Instead, we're asked to do CE5 and commune with them. We're asked to trust where they're going. We're asked to, you know, to worship them. And they're going to bring, I mean, like, we've talked to so many experiencers, we've also talked to so many researchers. The idea is that humans are, are, are failing. Humans have failed. That's, that's a preconceived notion. That's crazy, right? Kind of Satan and, and that we need a higher power to come save us. Only that sounds like you'd be reaching up towards a God or your God, whatever. Instead you're going to reach out to these aliens who are going to communicate through this high priesthood of the government because they're going to have all the technology, all the way to access it. And now to commune with a, with a kind of a Satan God, you have to have all these middlemen in place. So, yeah, this is when you game it out. You know, they should be warning us, they should be letting us explore these topics. But in the UFO community itself, there's these rumors and these myths that Christianity is stopping disclosure. The fear of demons is so archaic and so naive and so childish, and it's really stopping the progression of disclosure. We need to abolish religion, religion from this topic. And I think that's a really.

[Red Panda Koala]

Well, there's an overt, like, demonization of it, right? With like, narratives like the Collins elite, right? It's like, oh, they're so dumb, they think it's demons. That's kind of like what you're saying right here. But then also on the other end, a lot of the congress people, I feel like, are all in on that. And I just want to be clear too. I'm not necessarily. I think it's an element, but I do think there's other elements at play here. But yeah, there's just a lot of interesting. And it's just, I mean, it's kind of like religion, all in all. I personally think like all religions are kind of like UFO cults to a degree. And whenever you have religions there's really clashes of ideas that, you know, can get pretty gnarly over the years, so.

[Tupacabra]

True.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you're going to get people with ulterior motives who put themselves into positions of power in any, in any religion and they're gonna, you know, bend it and twist it to serve their purposes.

[Chipa]

Well, I mean, I think that you mistakenly like really pointed at it. All religions are some sort of UFO cult.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. Yeah, even, I mean technically speaking, even.

[Chipa]

In Christianity, like what we believe to be the, the good side, the angels, I think they use the same technology as, as a fallen angel would use or whatever their progeny would be using this sort of space technique to. You know, in the Bible there's multiple, multiple occasions where they're seeing these craft or whatever in the sky. They don't know exactly how to describe it and they're saying that it's benevolent. But sometimes we see these things and they're, they're malevolent. Sometimes we're not sure. They could be from the government. So it's like, yeah, is it a UFO craft? Is it a UFO cult? Like kind of in a way like everyone's looking at the same phenomenon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, we, when we talk to Sean of Kingdom in Context and he, he like, you know, we'll work our way backwards. We'll get to the bell shaped craft of the Nazi regime that supposedly existed. You know, officially it doesn't. And how that bears such resemblance to the vimanas that the Vedics were using. And you realize like, oh, there's definitely this element of technology. But if you go to the Vedics, they're like, yeah, it was given to us that technology by our gods and it was only allowed to be used by like, you know, demigods and, and the priest class or something like that. And, and I'm of the opinion that they were just worshiping fallen angels and their offspring. And so the way I'm looking at is, okay, fallen angels teach you how to create these things and then I can track that all the way to the Nazi regime. And then after that our, our modern day, you know, experience is that of these sometimes what seemed to be nuts and bolts craft. So I'm like, yeah, there's an element of this that looks to be reverse Engineering is. Is maybe a misunderstood terminology because it sounds like we get it out of the Roswell crash or something. I'm like, no, it's always been here. But that element, I think, has been manufactured to some degree by humans at the behest of these, you know, spiritual entities that have commissioned us and too.

[Red Panda Koala]

But you've done a gut is never. He was in a great documentary all on the angel talk, right? About. They're all basically saying it's angels.

[Tupacabra]

Well, I found out. I found out that. That a lot of the upper tier of ufology, UFO disclosure, are Christian mystics, like, or. Or Jewish mystics. They're really into. They're really into esoteric Rosicrucianism, right? Like that. That. That specific thing. Rosicrucianism. And Rosicrucianists, they. They trace their origins all the way back to Egypt, but they came out in prominence, like, in the 1700s with some, like, kind of really mystical stuff, right? You had Rudolf Steiner in Austria who was like a student of Helena Blavatsky, and they introduce all this channeling stuff. They introduce Atlantis and. And this fed into Edgar Cayce's work, right? And so I started to pick up on. Because I listen. I had to listen to everyone talk, right? I love videos. I hate reading. So to ingest all the stuff, I would listen for real, you know, like. And so I would pick up on. Did that guy. Did Jim Semivan just say that he was at the R Institute? That's Edgar Casey's institute in Virginia Beach. Well, that's also where, like, Ryan Graves was flying that jet and saw those. Those crafts were. Kept getting spotted. Like, that's weird. Why. Why the connection with Edgar Casey. So Edgar Casey represents a ton of ideas and. And whatever. And I would. I'm like, wait, those sounds a lot like Chris Bledsoe. Like, the way, you know, then I kept tying it together, I realized in an interview with Diana Pasoka on Joe Rogan, she just made the statement. She said that Jacques Valet and J. Allen Hynek were both devout Rosicrucians. And that. That for me, I was like, okay, what's going on?

[David Lee Corbo]

And so Diane is the producer for the delicious, right?

[Tupacabra]

No, no, that's. That's Diana Powell. Diana Pasoka is the author of the book American Cosmic. And that blew up the whole idea of blending religious experiences from the past within the Vatican record and even modern history with UFO experiences.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. Chris Bledsoe, Tim Taylor type stuff, if you're familiar with those names, like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tupacabra]

And she's also the, she's the professor of religious studies at South University of South Carolina.

[Red Panda Koala]

Also rumored to be getting Theo money, by the way.

[Tupacabra]

Probably is, but she's a big player. And for her to say that on the show and she was like, listen, everything that I say I backed up. And the people who were there, like.

[Red Panda Koala]

Whoever mentioned her on Rogan by the way too, you know that, right? He brought her up.

[Tupacabra]

Oh, that makes total.

[Red Panda Koala]

Discussing UFOs. And Alex, he's like, well, you could go to the SOCA line of thought and it's angels and demons.

[Tupacabra]

Well, because she was able to with her book and with academic, you know, prowess or whatever. That's not the right word, but she was able to with that book really introduced to the, into like the mainstream UFO field and in I guess pop culture, the idea that there is a foundation to work from that aliens and angels or alien experiences and these religious experiences have a correlation. There's a crossover there.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah.

[Tupacabra]

She didn't say what it was or why, but she introduced that.

[Red Panda Koala]

I'm not trying to throw shade at her either, but she's not the first person to do that. And so like I agree with what you're saying, Tipa, but you got to recognize like, why is she a person who's saying that's something that's not new? People have been saying UFOs are angels and demons since a thousand percent.

[Tupacabra]

A thousand percent.

[Red Panda Koala]

But feels kind of artificial. It feels a little.

[Tupacabra]

It is. Well, she's a, she's a member and this is why it's important. She's a member of something called the Invisible College, which is a Rosicrucian offshoot. It's a think tank. And any Rosicrucian think tank is, is basically meant in their philosophy to push society forward through different means. Right. Not through indirect means, influences. And so that's one of the things, like this idea of a time wave, they get together like so in this think tank of the Invisible College. If you haven't heard about this, Jacques Vallee wrote a book called the Invisible College. But you know, we know that people are in it. It's not secret, it's not like that. But you know, it's just this kind of like intellectual group. Dana Pasoka, Jack Valle, Gary Nolan, you know, you'd have to imagine even people like Stephen Greer, right. Are in it. Leslie Keane, Robert Bigelow. Right. Panda. The list probably goes on. Right. But it's this core group that have kind of also been co opted by Rothschild. Right.

[Red Panda Koala]

Like Rockefeller rocket.

[Tupacabra]

Oh, that's what I meant Rockefeller. And then even within this UAP disclosure movement that came about from possibly Podesta and Clinton, you know, you have this syncing up with this group specifically, so there's an element there. But yeah, these, the, the, the, the Rosicrucian religious Christianity is actually there in Ufology from the top down, but it's hidden and I don't know why, but I put a documentary out about all the evidence I could find about it and like how those, how New age Ufology is actually lined up perfectly with Rosicrucian and, and these, not the hiddenness.

[Red Panda Koala]

Is the sketch part. Right? It's almost like there's also like what he said, there's also a Scientology kind of weird through line with a lot of these people and figures and like belief systems. And it's like, I wouldn't necessarily care if they were just like out in the open with this, but when they, when they do this hidden stuff with it and it's like, oh, you guys are all like really resolutions. You guys are all going to Esalen and half you guys are getting Theo money and not telling us like makes you go, I'm not going on here.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not absolving them from it, but I, I do. I've learned something, you know, throughout my life as a conspiracy theorist. And it's like the vast majority of people, not only are they not keen to these things, they're like to some degree unwilling to see it. And then you look at the, the low level crap that they engage in and I think that that eventually turns into like, these people don't need to know. Why do they need to know? It's, it's the unthinking masses, I think, is how they look at us. And, and so they, you know, to obfuscate their true nature from us is, is to say almost in their mind, like, would you, would you, would you reveal your true nature to a monkey? You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's almost like that because they look at us like, like goyim, right? I mean, if you look at the, the Epstein files, you know, you mentioned something too about Podesta and Hillary Clinton rebranding this thing and pushing for UAP disclosure. It's interesting that the last time that really happened was kind of at the precipice of, you know, this whole phenomenon, right? Pizzagate, etc. And I think that kind of does bleed into this, this bigger picture that I want to get into. And I'm trying to think of how I want to kick this off so.

[Chipa]

Well, before you go there, I. I just want to say I have been a little bit like, perturbed lately because what with, what would you say, what.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are you perturbed with?

[Chipa]

I just. This, the scope of this, of this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Entire thing, it is, it's bugging me.

[Chipa]

Too, because I mean, you can, you can be guys that make videos and documentaries online, or you can guy. You can be guys who fucking bullshit into a microphone, say really nothing all day. Right. But there is somebody, there's some sort of government actor activated to go and either defame you, debunk you. Yeah, just pull the carpet from underneath you, whatever, whatever they're trying to do. And like, you guys have done that successfully and I think you've done it at a much better level than us because you're talking directly at this thing with like, facts and logic. Yeah, we're saying a lot of bullshit and we still got targeted by what is becoming even more ever more clear every day. I'm like, man, that guy might be working for the government in some form of fashion. And like, we probably just turned over a leaf or like we turned something over accidentally. Yeah, we're not supposed to.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, what you guys did is you. There's a narrative. We're talking about narrative control. And you guys injected comedy to the point where it made their narrative look stupid. Is that what happened? Because you guys got attacked? You got attacked. I mean, can you tell us about that?

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, I mean, it goes, it goes back and forth for sure. Go ahead.

[Red Panda Koala]

And then people go to. But so I, I come into the topic, right, 2017, all wide eyed, like, all excited, like, oh, there's this guy, Lou Elizondo, he seems like a patriot. I was all lukery for a bit there too, but then over time I learned that there's this really gross mechanism, narrative control. It sounds like maybe you guys are brushing about a little bit. I'm not too familiar with Albarino though, so I don't necessarily want to cast in there, although he has totally downplayed the harassment, which I find very sus. Because anyone looking at it can see. But basically like whistleblowers, experiencers, there's these like weird lines that aren't really clearly defined only in the sense of the responses by like these bad actors to them. But if you cross them, like, yeah, you'll get. So some of it will be harassed docs their family put out there recently because we uncovered some shit about this network doing it to grudge they. They were sending dossiers of our families where Our families live to like literally suicidal people in the hope that they like. And these are people directly connected to Lou Elizonda. Right. It's so hard to explain.

[David Lee Corbo]

So what is it that, that you think was the, like the core of what you were saying that led to that? I mean, you're saying they, they got dossiers on your family and I saw that you were posting about this, releasing it to unstable people. Unstable people who, if they get that kind of information, addresses and such, are actually likely to do something.

[Red Panda Koala]

They literally said they were suicidal. They were just taken to a mental thing. I think it's because of me and Tupa. So a lot of people brush up against this in various different ways. There's, there's like some of the biotech stuff they don't like. But me and Tupa, we go head on, on just the fact that this even exists. And a lot of people, they'll brush up against this and they'll kind of like turn the other cheek or they'll kind of like back off that thing. And we're just kind of like, no, you like pick the scab, pick the scab, pick the scab. And I think that's why they hate us like more than most. And they put a lot of effort to try and like get us deplatform, demonetized. They're doing psycho like these dossiers. I was kicked off YouTube for like six months last year, I think partially because of this kind of stuff and I think it's just because we call out the main mechanism. What do you think it is? People? Why, why do they hit us? Oh, and also we're news accounts too, right. So I mean this, this past two days is a great example. I mean the Epstein, our engagement, we've. We're both in like a lot of engagement the past few days, right. And even before that there's not many of these news accounts and a lot of people don't have time to watch long form podcasts. So especially once we became news accounts that also weren't afraid to call out directly some of this crazy going on. They hate us. Yeah. What do you think, Chipa?

[Tupacabra]

I mean, I think that's a lot of it too. Right. And I like, you know, I'm not going to take the story way back, but like, you know, Panda came, I came into the topic through Pandas work. His YouTube channel is what I discovered like in, during, like I don't know what was going on. It must have been 2019 or something right before COVID right before COVID and I was like, these are awesome. And then I found myself in a discord. I got invited there through some other researcher and I'd never been part of a community of people doing so before, but I've lo and behold, pandas in there. And I'm talking about pandas videos. So like, being able. The idea of wanting to create content was always in my mind. Like that's how. That's how you make a splash in here. You know what I mean? And I think being able to create it at the level Panda does and at the level I was able to achieve is like, that's a big amount of influence, right? And so coming into a this community and having any influence at all on, you know, I didn't know this, but you're going to get kind of swarmed by people who really want to push that influence for this or that reason. And it's not normal. Like I've. That's. This is totally abnormal. But I had people calling me, you know, who were like, hey, you'd never go on this podcast, right? Like, Lou wouldn't like that. And I'm like, who the fuck are you? Like, why are you even. How'd you get my phone number? Like, this happened a lot. It happened more.

[David Lee Corbo]

It happened a lot. Let me look at that a little bit closer. You're getting phone calls. I imagine you don't know who the number is. You're picking it up and they're saying kind of like backhanded, suggestive, like passive aggressive, like, you would never do this thing.

[Tupacabra]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Elizondo wouldn't like that.

[Tupacabra]

Is that Elizondo was. Was the main point of most of the weird calls and contact I would get.

[Red Panda Koala]

And this is before we were really took it on head on. This is when Tuba started realizing there's something going on here. There's something weird before we like really pulled back the onion. But yeah, in terms of timeline, like.

[Tupacabra]

I. I just came in and started making content. Pain was making content and I was doing spaces, I was hosting spaces and that was new and I was. People experiencers were coming in unfiltered and we were finding out a ton of. Right. So I was getting approached by people. I didn't realize what was happening at the time, but I knew that they were trying to like, try to pimp me out, you know, like, there's only one. They didn't real.

[Red Panda Koala]

I.

[Tupacabra]

It would. Their level of street knowledge was very low, like street smarts. And they would call me and they would try to push me, like, like that, like, you wouldn't go on this podcast, would you? Because that guy, like, betrayed Lou. Or, you know, I get dms. Hey, you should put a copyright strike against this guy. He's trying to go after Lou's family. And I'm like, who are you? What is this like? And that was like the beginning of it. And over the course of my first year in the on Twitter, I had made a little bit of a splash, but I had never bent the knee to that direction. And after about a year of it, it was like go time. And they worked. They decided that I was gonna get canceled. And they. It was an interesting thing. I don't know exactly why or how, but everyone tried to kind of push it and that's how we became aware of the, of how bad this was.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. So we looked around and saw this. Oh, this is. This exact thing happened to plenty of people before. So we just didn't really take the time to notice or look at. And it still happened to people after us. And we're like, oh no, this is wrong. And another dynamic I played too is there's this whole like Plato or plomo kind of element where it's like, there's like carrot stick. Right. So it's like there's the incentive of like, you're gonna start getting harassed unless you start doing this. But then on the other end too, which I think Timothy Alberino falls into respectfully, and some of these other bigger content creators, some of these people, they have a Lou interview on you run that through Chat gbt, the views they got, that's a twenty thousand dollar interview they had. They're talking to Lou for two hours, right? You know, no, I'm not trying to put it on blast, but Chris Ramsey, I ran his analytics in chat gbt and his one was about, they said like 10 to 20 grand he probably got for the interview. So he's kind of not doing it as much anymore. And I'm not trying to talk about anyone. I'm just. This is a fact of the reality is like, there's a monetary incentive for this too, which is basically just Mockingbird, which again, it's like the narrative control stuff I talk about. Like, in the 50s and 60s, the same thing was happening, but now it's just on podcasts where you know what, you're not going to talk about xyz and you're gonna have Luan, you're gonna have Gary Nolan on, you're gonna have. You're gonna have the whole network and they're gonna talk about this. And you're gonna get this much money each time you have these people on, right? And if you don't, you're gonna. You're gonna get all that money cut out. So that's why people like, at the time, he was. It seems like he's not anymore. Chris Ramsey was like, well, why does it matter that Lou shared a fake photo? Like, just give him a break, guys.

[Tupacabra]

About, like, you know, that's one of the things that looks like this group does is they court content creators and then they boost them. They boost the ones they can control. And doesn't that make the most sense? Wouldn't you do that? And so they boost the ones with that they can control the most by making sure that the people within this group, the inner circle, the ones who are really good guests that get the most views, are going to go on your channel. And what we've discovered is there's a concerted effort to make sure these guys don't go on anyone's channel who don't toe the line. And. And if you cross one, there's going to be a network of people through second or third degree who are going to be contacting everyone, everyone, and tell them, don't go on this guy show.

[Red Panda Koala]

You guys, right?

[Tupacabra]

Tons of lives.

[Red Panda Koala]

I'm not going on the show. I recommend no one goes on this guy's show.

[Tupacabra]

No, we have. We have a. We have a record. We have record of this happening multiple times. It's one of the.

[Red Panda Koala]

We have people on the inside, too, saying there's signal chats of all these big names of what shows to go on and whatnot. And also, yeah, real.

[Tupacabra]

We were able to go back before we ever showed up on the scene and go through the record of Twitter because we were able to identify the people responsible. And we were able to find multiple instances of this exact thing before us. And it happened so much while we were. While we were watching it that we were able to then make predictions. And it's those predictions that we were able to make in real time that led to the kinds of humor and memes that really cut these guys deep because, like, we were able to call out what they were about to do. That's how you. That's how formula we are.

[Chipa]

This is not even the first time this has happened.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is that I'm, like, unaware of it, though.

[Red Panda Koala]

I'm just, like, going through. No, we all were, too. I was like, I'm gonna talk about UFOs and have fun online and still be. It's like, no Actually, you know, the UFO topic is the most cult prone topic in like American subculture history. And it's full of weird shady counterintel who like.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

Will literally send dossiers of your family to suicidal people. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you know what they're describing? They're describing exactly what. I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I don't give a. They're. They're describing exactly what blurry creatures are doing.

[Chipa]

Well, even before this, I mean, you guys don't, don't know this, but I used to be like more in the political realm and doing stuff there and having fun there. You're describing what Tim Pool said to me. This was like, yeah, I was like, hey, Tim, I've been on your show, I know you. I'm like, hey, you're kind of carrying water for the Jews right now. And he's like, he's like, you need to stop. And I'm just like, I don't think I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna keep saying it because you keep doing it, dude. And then at some point he goes, he goes, you're gonna ruin all of your connections with.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I was like, you're gonna burn every bridge. You know all that.

[Chipa]

And I go, tim, I don't give a. About these connections. These people suck. And then he goes, you're just too retarded to stop. And that's like, that's like my motto.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Chipa]

You guys in a sense are too retarded to stop.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm proud of it. Yeah, exactly.

[Tupacabra]

I am too.

[Chipa]

Yeah. I mean this is probably the third or fourth time I've been warned in like not so or like, like even like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well now it's been warned against us.

[Chipa]

We've been given like, like approach like, hey, how about this? Why do you do this?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm like, we're just too realized it was happening.

[Chipa]

Well, I mean we realized we're like, but I'm gonna do the opposite.

[David Lee Corbo]

You realized it. You broke the news to me like way later on down the line. And I was like, somebody gave us.

[Chipa]

Somebody gave me like an opportunity to host their show and, and like, hey, host it. Like basically my door to be a.

[David Lee Corbo]

Red pill, you know, conservative influencer.

[Chipa]

Yeah, yeah. So I invited, I invited a couple of my shipbag friends and we just did like the worst sort of comedy. You could hijack this dude show. But like, I realized what you're doing here and I'm not gonna play your game ever. And it's like, that's kind of why.

[Red Panda Koala]

I reached out to people.

[Tupacabra]

It's too tempting. They can't pass it up.

[Red Panda Koala]

I saw that, did that thing of like, don't go on these guys showing us like, what the hell is this about? And that's why. I don't know if you remember that when that happened, I was like, well, you know, Timothy, Alberto's got billionaires. I was like, throwing it. And, you know, Timothy Albruno said so when about harassment. That's why I was trying to throw you guys some months. I was like, it's happened before, too. Happened with Vetted. That's how we kind of got to know Vetted, too. It's funny, you're the. Another person we met kind of through this mechanism where we saw vetted on the periphery. And, you know, I think that sucks, too, about. Because we. Because we're so, like, zero about it. People, they'll harass people who just even get close to us. So we. I kind of try and, like, put walls around myself and stuff, because I just want to get caught up in that. But it was happening to vet and remember, too. But they're like, oh, here we go. Here's the. Here's a little narrative control mechanism coming for Vetted. And they're all putting his criminal record out.

[Tupacabra]

It's everyone. It's everyone. And. And the longer this has gone on, the more we make friends with people who are seeing it, and then the more people talk about it. So the more people talk about it, the more people get attacked. And it's so, like, you're gonna see more of the same effort. So now it has more effects where.

[Red Panda Koala]

It'S like, the people who are on the outside of it, those are. You really want to talk to. You don't want to talk to the people who are like, put their tail between their legs. But. Okay, I'll do whatever narrative you say, Lou. No, you want people who are, like, zero. Yeah, yeah. It.

[David Lee Corbo]

It encumbers your ability to think critically. Right. So if you're making connections and you're too afraid to, like, deviate off this path, there are important connections you're just never going to touch.

[Chipa]

Look at what we learned.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hold on.

[Chipa]

Look at 2020. I'm sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, no. Yeah, yeah.

[Chipa]

If you're wearing a mask, if you're gonna comply, like, at. At the end of every show, I tell the audience, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. If you're a huge. Go ahead and do that. Like, I'm reminding you of what they did.

[David Lee Corbo]

So when.

[Chipa]

Whenever. Yes. When someone comes and says, hey, do this. And then I'll, I'll give you this, hey, cui bono? Let's play like, no, dude, it's funny. Don't comply.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's never that straightforward that they're gonna come out and just say that they're gonna give you subtle signs and, and like, and I'm just too stupid to ever see those subtle signs. So I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing. But like, with, with, I'm gonna bring it up again. I don't give a. The blurry creatures, dudes are behaving exactly like what they said, right? Where it's like, if you deviate from the narrative and we're not going to have you on the show. So all these people that we've discovered that they either pulled their episodes or, you know, they recorded with them and just never aired the episodes, we're talking.

[Chipa]

About, like, at least listen, dude, it's going to cost them five grand to record an episode at least, right? A professional film crew. You're flying people in and out hotels.

[David Lee Corbo]

And the thing that they're saying is that these things are demonic. And they're like, okay, pull that to the conspiracy.

[Chipa]

Let's add to the conspiracy a little bit more. Three days before Timothy Albarino attacked us on Twitter for My God. They started following me. Their Twitter started following me. And I was like, oh, pretty cool. Like within the space of podcasts that I do like similar content. Yeah, big podcast. They follow me. Then three days later he goes, yeah, you know, if you think aliens are demons, you're retarded. And then that's how, like this snowballs. And obviously we play back with them and we do it all wrong. We don't do it the way it's supposed to happen. We're supposed to be logical and, you know, like, bring your facts and bring your facts.

[David Lee Corbo]

We turned them into a cat and we, we made fun of them. Oh, my God.

[Chipa]

So, yeah, yeah, people are completely ill equipped. The government is ill equipped to deal with comedy. And I think because in essence, the government is kind of evil. And comedy, when it's coming from a good spot, there is something bright about it. There's like a light.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, okay, so. So this narrative that you guys interrupted, I want to talk about the nature of it, how it plays out now within the, the UFO space for a long time. And I'm sure both of you guys are aware, Panda, if you've been doing this for a while, you're gonna know exactly what this is. But The Galactic Federation of Light. Now. Now this narrative plays out just like QAnon and the elements of it are. It's an anonymous source on the Internet. It's New Agey. It's a. It's a federation that's made up of a bunch of different representative. Representatives from each alien race. They're worried about us. They're worried about the direction the Earth is going. They're worried about. And this is. This comes through channeling. This is the. Whoever's typing this out, you know, is channeling or whatever. They're worried about the direction the Earth is going in. They're worried that we're being, you know, suppressed by satanic forces or, you know, evil forces and just hold on because they're gonna liberate us. And. And you know, in other words, patriots are in control, right? And it's the same thing. It's the same thing that Anonymous did, right? It's like this weird shit that we've been subjected. Submit.

[Red Panda Koala]

Be passively submissive.

[David Lee Corbo]

Someone else and people that are. Are way beyond your capabilities. Have this thing covered. Anonymous used to say, expect us. Right? It's the same thing as Patriots are in control, we're coming to the rescue. You interrupted sort of that you took this thing that they've been building for a long time. Galactic Federation of Light videos.

[Chipa]

Very annoying of you guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's really rude. Those videos have been on the Internet since like 2000, since the Internet was the Internet. Those videos have been on here. And. And that was a really slow build up because a lot of what they're saying there's a coming. Sometimes they'll say there's a coming calamity.

[Red Panda Koala]

Oh, that's huge in this whole thing, this 2027 thing. Yeah, I've seen people, they. It's literally like Scientology where I know other content creators who. It's like you get to a certain level, you go to an event after one of the big things, all the people, and they tell you like, the world's gonna end on this date. And it's like a way to activate people. It's. This is all culty and that's why I think we kind of stand out so much and like people like you and stuff. That's how I came across you guys. Like, when you're not. Most people aren't really like culturing like that. And like a lot of it comes off as like Scientology esque when they're all about it.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, well, the topic is like, it's, you know, it's a. It's just you're getting people already that are filtered down into this very, like, very niche UFO topic who are willing to talk about it online, who are willing to spend their own time looking into it. Like, that's pretty that you're primed for that kind of stuff. Why are you looking into this? Are you looking for a higher power? Are you looking for meaning? Is there not a lot of meaning in your life? These are constants with people who fall into rabbit holes, right? Like, we could be self aware, right? Like, you know what I mean? We might not be all cracked out in a basement, but like, we're still looking into these rabbit holes. We know, you know, the conspiracy circles. And I think it becomes a thing where you do all these loyalty tests, like I was called, right? Hey, you wouldn't do that, would you? And then what the question is, is really is you want to be on Lou's good side, because then you're going to get the good stuff. You're going to get the good information. And for me in Panda, it's like, I don't want any information. I don't want that information. I don't want to. I don't want any information on my phone or on. That's where the manipulation I can't talk about. If I can't talk about it, what's the point of having it? So we can go on a back channel and be like, oh my God. And it looked like a. It already looked like a point of manipulation because the people who were in these circles, too, huge red flags, they acted crazy online. They were like, you know, bizarrely, like, like low brow, their humor was vulgar.

[Red Panda Koala]

Their social skills were just off, like, yeah, weird people.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, exactly. And so those are the people surrounding and insulating this group the most. And that was a big tell. That's one of the things that was like, wait, why are these big guys like Nolan and Elizondo connected to these people at all? Like, what the hell? Like, these people are going to damage their reputation. But there was never a distancing. There was always a moving closer. And that was one of those like, tells. Like, what the hell is. What the hell is this?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, something interesting that I noticed is like, there really is besides the. The nature of, like, QAnon versus the Galactic Federation of Light or Anonymous or, you know, I'm sure there's more examples. There's been a strange convergence and, you know, it plays right into the narrative control thing. And it's these Epstein files. And of course, Epstein being a, you know, a real component of QAnon Q was kind of like releasing this information to the public pre 2019, pre the shutdown. And. And now all of a sudden, we're finding out that Epstein somehow. You know, finding out is a strong word because I've been saying on the show, there's no convictions, right? This is thousands of documents released through the doj. You can search through them. It hasn't led to any arrest or anything. I know the Clintons are calling for a trial. I'm. I'm trying not to jump to any conclusions because I think that, you know, QAnon is a. Is a psychological operation to the detriment of. Of the populace. So people go, no, it is a psychological operation to wake up the masses. Like, I'm like, no, dude, it's. It's. It's creating a theater, a script for you, and it's giving you your good guys and your bad guys and, you know, patriots are in control. White hats versus black hats, all that. But still, within this. This dump of documents, there is a connection to pretty much every conspiracy under the sun, which is bizarre. I mean, it's totally bizarre. It's gotten me to the point where I'm like, I'm missing something because I'm. I'm led to go to a place of vindication and celebration. Like, look how right I was for all these years. And instead I'm like, no, this is not how reality works. You don't have one evil mastermind who's behind every single, you know, bad thing that's ever happened. It's. It's the. It's. The story of everything is in these DOJ files. But you guys are finding connections between Epstein and his interest in UAP disclosure. And, you know, I'm looking at this as. As if it's too good to be true. This sticks out to me as narrative control. It's compelling, though. I'm going to keep digging. I'm going to keep talking about it. But what are you guys making of this whole thing? Epstein, his interest in disclosure. What have you. What have you found, and what do you make of it?

[Red Panda Koala]

First, Tupa. Yeah.

[Tupacabra]

Disclosure kind of goes beyond crafts and bodies. Right now they're introducing from the top down. They're introducing concepts of consciousness. Right. Remote viewing is becoming more prominent. These ideas are ideas that were carried forth by these groups. Right? How put off an SRI who's a mentor of Elizondo, who's part of that think tank, the Invisible college. They all kind of tie together. Very incestuous. Those people also consist of the circular reporting. So someone, one of the. That group will cite something and the other part they won't. You won't know it by the time it gets to you. It was just confirmed by. They were all confirming each other's stories. Right. But yeah, that's, that's one thing to like kind of consider that these guys are really trying to push these more esoteric conscious based stuff and that's New age. And there was some interest with Epstein with New Age. There was some like even in the stuff he talked about. And I don't know if that's something he wanted to present if that was a true idea of his or not. But it, it ties in with MK Ultra and the kinds of stuff that were happening with mind control and with, you know, whatever happened from the 50s to the 70s. Right. There's. That's what I think the, the major link is. And then from those interests, Panda was able to find people who like were part of companies, part of groups. I mean Jelaine Maxwell's sister is married to Panda. Take it away. Like there it goes.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. Frank Molina, who are the son of Frank Molina who is a friend of like Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley. But yeah. So like we have the Alex Clocus. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I swear a lot of this stuff is also that the Crowley through line is really deep. There's a lot of really weird undertones here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Chipa]

As we were looking at the Epstein files and like the. Just the breath of it, he was like, this is the modern day Aleister Crowley. And I'm like, I think, I think you're right, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Literally intelligence and yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah.

[Tupacabra]

The OTO is part of this. They're meant, they're. They brought up, they brought up a lot within sex rituals.

[Red Panda Koala]

You know what I mean?

[Tupacabra]

I mean Elizondo has friends that are in the oto talk about all the.

[Red Panda Koala]

Time, totally normal multiple saying his friends. Yeah. So what did we find? We found the Clocus one was kind of big. Right. Alex Clocus, funder of telepathy tapes and sky watcher, you guys. Right. If you remember. I'm sure you guys remember Skywalker a little bit peripherally.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean I'm aware it came out.

[Red Panda Koala]

About a year ago. Here's what they were.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Promoting consciousness based.

[Red Panda Koala]

They're basically doing C5. Yeah, go for it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Chipa]

I'm just real quick what I do know because like I'm not as big in the UFO scene as you guys. That's why I'm yeah. Excited you guys came on but we did mention Jake Barber twice when we were talking about this divine feminine aspect. And Albarino, like, was not like, I.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don'T know if you.

[Chipa]

I do so many podcasts.

[Red Panda Koala]

But like, when I was Alberto saying, yeah, I'm curious, what did he say?

[David Lee Corbo]

He said, he's his friend.

[Chipa]

Well, yeah, but that's the way it was. Like, so emotions even through, like, Zoom or Stream Yard. And I'm like, I've gotten very good at that because it's what we do professionally.

[David Lee Corbo]

And yeah, when.

[Chipa]

When David said it, it was one of those things again, where it's like something we threw out there, and we had just had this contentious, like, the.

[David Lee Corbo]

Gears hours with this.

[Chipa]

And then we're like, let's. Let's move something, like, to something we can agree on.

[David Lee Corbo]

And.

[Chipa]

And he just says, jake Barber. And this dude, his demeanor, again, his countenance drops is. That's only.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what it was. It was like, he's. He's going with us. He's going along with us. And I go, jake Barber, divine feminine. He's possessed by some sort of goddess spirit. He could hear her voice when he's any. And he's like, yeah, you know, so, so, so. And I'm like, what the Is going on, friend?

[Chipa]

And I'm just like, fucking, of course. And then Epstein Files comes out. I'm like, yeah, his company's being.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm telling you, I know. I'm tired of beating this to death, but I. There's an audience that's listening right now that, like, I want to highlight to you guys. There's something wrong with Albarino. I don't give a. I mean, initially, it was just like, a joke thing. I'm making fun of him for dressing like Indiana Jones and. And saying dumb. Like, you know, the alien phenomenon is always spiritual. There's. There's something wrong here.

[Tupacabra]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

The more we look into it, he. He's defending Elizondo in the. You know, on Twitter, he's saying, oh, who cares if he's had big photos.

[Red Panda Koala]

And is harassing people, too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And then he goes.

[Red Panda Koala]

He said. He's like, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, yeah, it's like such a gay way of doing it.

[Red Panda Koala]

So. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's doing the same. He's defending Jake Barber. Right. He's working with these guys who are literally gatekeeping anybody that has a difference in.

[Chipa]

Wait, wait a second.

[David Lee Corbo]

Crazy.

[Chipa]

All right, that guy. But. So you're saying Skywatch and. And the Telepathy tapes are being funded by the same Actor, this guy named.

[Red Panda Koala]

Alex Clocus and he also did the SALT conference and it wasn't one of those ones.

[Tupacabra]

Do an explanation of like what Sky Watcher is. Skywatcher because it's important.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah dude, go for it too. Skywalker elements did they introduce to disclosure too?

[Tupacabra]

Sky Watcher company came out like maybe a year and a half, two years ago. And they came out, they made a big splash through Ross Coldheart's reporting on News Nation who did like a crazy like glazing of him. It turns out through the reporting you find out. Number one, I think the reporting was mostly scripted. They did an interview, I think that was mostly scripted. Number two, Ross and Barber were, were at Esalon like trying to coax billionaires to give them money for these like projects. And there they had like all these wood like a profound experience. So all that happened before this interview. But they came out on this interview and they explained what they're doing is they're. They're contacting UFOs through Psionics, right? Which is psychic powers, which is rebranded. And they're piloting the craft, then they're bringing the craft close so they can be observed. And every time they've filmed these craft, it's a dot of light in the sky. Could easily be a drone. They never, it's never a craft, it's just a point of light.

[Red Panda Koala]

Oftentimes it's been debunked as birds or they should be. Other things they introduced, I think worth noting is they introduced this element of left handed gay kids or more psychic and oh, very weird.

[Tupacabra]

It's not just that like the re. Like the, those specifics are into Satanism, right? So we know about. I'm sure you guys have studied some of this stuff, right? Within Satanists, like reports of like the survivors and stuff. They often described child ritualistic abuse which was meant to, to create a diso. A disassociative state within children. And because they're easier. The veil they would call it. The veil is thinner between the other world and our world with kids. So they would traumatize them to the point of being, of making them dissociate. And then they would have become vessels for channeling or whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think I know ex going, gotta.

[Chipa]

Stop because this is. I wasn't aware of the connection between the telepathy tapes and I don't know if you guys are aware either. But like this is a thing that popped. When it popped up, me and David were like, yo, what is this? What's happening here? And at the, at the very bottom of it. I'll just like bury the lead. You have kids who have been given vaccines to force them into a disassociative state. And now the phenomenon is that they can, they can communicate with each other telepathically. Yeah, but of course the telepathy tapes never really mentions how they got this way. It does mention Andreesia Puharich, which is very interesting. It mentions like the experiments that, you know, Lucia Bull had the metal tooth filing in her mouth and she was able to pick up like. So it'll touch on these things. It mentions. What's this guy's name? Rupert.

[David Lee Corbo]

Rupert, yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

She was in the files, by the way. You know, he's all over the files talking Epstein.

[David Lee Corbo]

He declined coming on our show last year and now I'm glad that he did. But also worth mentioning that the telepathy tapes removed a ton of content that talked about Jesus.

[Red Panda Koala]

Right? Yeah, I saw you guys posting about that. Yeah, tell us about that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, books up there about it. Or actually that's about one of the non verbal kids or non speaking.

[Chipa]

Well, this guy here, Joseph and Franco was the, he was the pastor that works with the non verbal autistic kids. And he came on specifically to talk about the connection between Jesus. These, these kids are seeing Jesus, they're talking about Jesus, they're on the hill, they're communicating with angels in this. Like.

[David Lee Corbo]

But Kai Dickens removed all of it.

[Chipa]

Yeah, every, every instance of it. And I'm just like, but, and then, and then she moves it to replace it with like this new age Gnostic message in the end where we all have to ascend also. Like, these kids are bringing us this idea of this calamity that's going to happen. A polar shift, yada yada, you, you name it, same old. And I'm just like, how the is this it? First off, it's not even a podcast, it's a documentary, but it's only audio.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it dethrones Joe Rogan's podcast as the number one podcast for a long time. And one of the things that we've been saying is what you're witnessing there when you see these non verbal autistic kids who have been traumatized and therefore have disassociated to such a degree that they're now displaying supernatural powers. Right. You're seeing the, the, the wide scale rollout.

[Chipa]

We call it the, like a free range MK Ultra chickens.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. So MK Ultra works. They realize frequency disassociation, you know, implants, all these things work. Metals what if we can get this at scale to the public? And the idea basically is like if you have heavy metals in your body as a, as a receiver of frequency, right? That's why these aliens are always doing implants and, and that way you can telepathically communicate with them very easily. Well, what if you can get it into a tooth and you have the Lucille Ball situation. Okay, what now if you can get it directly into the brain, if we can reduce it to such a level that it's nanoparticles that can cross the blood brain barrier, then we got them. And I think that's exactly what we're seeing here. They have these heavy metals, mercury etc, inside these vaccinations. They are allegedly crossing the blood brain barrier and settling in the brain. And then you're getting high levels of autism and you're getting them communicating with all kinds of entities. It's free range MK Ultra victims.

[Red Panda Koala]

What do they say the entities are, by the way? If they're removing the Jesus element from it? Because I haven't really watched all of it, to be honest, but they like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Kind of just foot around it.

[Chipa]

They don't. No, I mean, there is one spot where there's an Indian woman and she said that her, her children were. The child was mentioning seeing specific types of like gods that I guess she was able to associate because they, they have like their own, their entire pantheon. And she told him.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the Indian woman, right?

[Chipa]

Yeah, she told him to ignore it. So I think, like, I think where we exist, if you can thin that veil thin enough, depending on where you're at geographically and even mentally, like kind of like what you're believing in or calling in you. You can see these things. You can see whatever is on the other side.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I just want to say too, we've. We've done two episodes, like two long breakdowns on the telepathy tapes. Then we've had Pastor Joe and Franco on.

[Red Panda Koala]

I need to watch it. I'm gonna watch it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a. It's a Bizarre Odyssey.

[Red Panda Koala]

Did you guys see the sub stack of the. Some guy, I guess was working on their discord and he went like whistleblower on some of the shady going on. I still need to read it. I just heard about. On his. This other podcast. You guys should maybe.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know that too. She was talking to ninjas or butterflies. Kai Dickens and she's like, oh, did you know that the CIA infiltrated this? Like, yeah, no lady. But yeah. It's just. It's remarkable to me that this is connected to. It's like you. Like.

[Red Panda Koala]

It makes sense though, right? It's like we're not surprised, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, no, I'm not surprised. You know what? It's surprising. It's just surprising that we're right. I'm surprised. I'm surprised to be right at how.

[Chipa]

Neatly this was handed to me is what I'm surprised by.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, that is a little alarming.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's almost serendipitous. Like we, you know, you guys get on our radar, we're enjoying your content, we're enjoying your takes. Epstein files drop. And next thing you know, Red Panda Koala is talking about the telepathy and I'm going, what the. Are you. What the. Like, are you kidding me? Why is this so. Why is this so easy? Why are we seeing this and why is it all coming together in this way? So, yeah, I just. I just had to go on a tangent there because that whole thing is. Is such an obvious operation and what we just laid out to you is like, good luck convincing anybody of that.

[Red Panda Koala]

Like, actually what's happening, logically it makes sense, right?

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, but logically it makes sense. And I really do think this goes back to MKUltra 100. The players are the same and yeah, the programs are the same, results are the same. And all of the new, like the brand new up to date UAP disclosure narrative pushes are all in line with it. They're all in line to explain away MK Ultra victims and technology as UFO experiences that we need to provide amnesty to the players for. But. And you know, you know what I mean? Like, UFOLOGY is almost a carrot that they're. They're trying to whitewash the crimes of MK Ultra and they're trying to utilize the or, mobilize the UFO community to sign off on it, to become the base from which they're going to be able to be like, look, we're. We're fine. But it's all like voice to school technology. It's all like, you know, crazy. Yeah, it's Havana. Exactly. Exactly. That's what it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, they just did the Havana Syndrome thing, so I want to ask you guys again about this narrative control. We just got the Havana Syndrome. Look what we did in Venezuela, right? And then DOJ releases all these files and it's like, like I said, we should be having a heyday. I have this weird kind of stirring in my spirit. I'm like, what's, what's about to happen? Because last time we got this, we mulled around with it on the world. And then they shut the world down. Like, you know, a few months later, six to eight months later, they shut the world down. And so I, I'm wondering, like, what are your. What's. What's your take on this whole thing? Like, the DOJ just drops these files on us. They confirm all of our. How wildest suspicions.

[Chipa]

How much of it is even real? Like, some of it is.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. Some of it's fake.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

Some of it's like fake. Some of it's like not even emails to him or from him. And it's just kind of like theories. And then also too, they said there's like 2 million things they didn't include that they said on their press conference on Monday or, or last Friday that it was like CP and like murders and stuff like that. But I don't know. I think it's all super dark and I think it's really old too. I think it just goes back to like, when you guys are like Christians, right? Who is it who was worshiping Ball and Moloch and all that?

[David Lee Corbo]

The. The Giants over and over again. They were good for a while, then they weren't, then they were good, then they weren't. It's very much their nature, it seems.

[Red Panda Koala]

It seems like some of these entities want that stuff. And it's like, I kind of don't also want to run away from it. Like, that's a fundamental aspect of our reality. Like, we eat meat, right? We all. I'm sure everyone here has eaten meat over the past week. Like, it's just. Is that something we just have to acknowledge and accept? Like in this reality that we live in, there's some weird interdimensional things that like, kind of do, like, suffering of kids and like that. And some people like play ball. You know what I mean? I feel like it's kind of the.

[David Lee Corbo]

Case Genesis.

[Chipa]

In, in the Bible, Genesis 3:15, it talks about this idea of the seed war that La Marzulli is kind of famous for, like really harping on this. But when God judges Satan or the. The serpent that he kicks out of the garden, he tells him that your. Your seed will. Will have enmity with the seed of man. So he's talking about the seed of Satan. This, like, whatever this is, this serpent seed. And then the seed of human beings, mankind, and then he. Then he cast the judgment on him. And the judgment is, you're going to crawl on your belly all the days of your life and you will eat the dirt of the earth.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then.

[Chipa]

And if you like Kind of extrapolate this like, well, what's the dirt of the earth? Well, Adam was made from the dirt of the earth. So it's like there is this idea of like this cannibalism when you go to the Nephilim giants and you know, I just so on and so forth. Even, even what these elites are doing today, they're eat. It's, it's cannibalism in a certain way, but there's a metaphorical cannibalism of like this idea of loosh. Maybe your, your human energy, your spirit.

[David Lee Corbo]

Your soul, the suffering of, of man.

[Chipa]

Yeah, yeah, there is something to that and it's just interesting that it's mentioned in, in most of these old texts. But specifically obviously we believe in the Bible being like, like it nails the.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nature, it nails the nature of these things because you know, you look at through another lens and it's like they're Pleiadians, they're here to save us. Another lens is like they're the pantheon. Jesus isn't real, but like the Norse pantheon is real. Hail Odin or some crazy like that. And then you go to Greek mythology and it's like no, not those, but these guys are, they crush. It's the Greek pantheon that crushes. And, and the sort of the Michael Heiser worldview interpretation of the Bible is like, and I subscribe to this one very much so is all of these pantheons are real, but they were fallen angels that just go by different names throughout antiquity. And yeah sure they're, they're capable of granting mankind wonderful things, but they also demand sacrifice. And that's been consistent across the board. The other thing that I think really lends itself to the overlap between what we're talking about in the alien phenomenon is specifically that hybridization program. Because I'm sure you guys have seen this in your research, right? Black eyed children, let's say are the most in my opinion modern rendition of the same old. Right where the way we look at the world in the Nephilim are that the angels that were cast out of heaven took human wives and, and they had offspring with them and there was a reason they did that. It was basically to hijack God's laws and systems of, of marriage and things like that and create a genetic hybrid that could inherit the earth and, and could have access to heaven after they had been casted out. And, and now it seems like the same kind of has been going on and, and through other mythologies. You would call that demigods, right? Hercules, etc, Perseus, it's always a theme. The demigod is always a theme. And this is the same thing. If, if people are going to look at these aliens and call them gods, well then what is it? What is a, a black eyed child then? But it's any God.

[Red Panda Koala]

There's this weird thing too. Well, I want two points I want to make too. The first point was yeah, I do think, you know, and I'm not necessarily like, I'm agnostic, I'm not saying I'm a Christian or anything, I was raised Catholic. But I do think the Bible gets the like trickster deceptive element really well of these things. And I'm sure you guys have seen that Jacques Valley book cover where it's like there's the entity with like the multiple masks that it's holding and it's kind of like switching them out. And then if you look even further it's like there's a black hand holding that entity up. So it's like just layers on layers of trickster. But yeah, to the point too there's this weird hybrid thing and even today we see it where there are all these weird. And it kind of ties into, well definitely ties into like Theo and Gary Nolan. But there's these weird deceptive practices going on around experiencers that we've noticed too. That's one of the things I like about being in spaces again because it's like we kind of have like a focus group where we're able to see experiencers over years not only how the phenomena interacts with them, but how the government interacts with them. And they're like weird deceptive practices to try and get like blood and stuff from like these people and like get them co opted into like, I mean even Skywatcher was kind of one of those where like they came and just kind of ran through UFO X and like grabbed all these experiences and some of them ended up having like really weird and shady experiences with them. Some people were saying that they were trying to get their kids involved with stuff and it's, it, it's like they're chasing some group is like chasing this kind of like almost hybrid thing or there's something about people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let's not leave this yet because I don't, I don't want to power through this at all. This is fascinating. I wasn't aware that this is happening. You guys are doing something unique. You're in these spaces, you're saying that people are, are coming into these spaces. They're sharing their testimonies. Sky Watcher becomes interested in this. Can you, can you tell me how that plays out or hear as far as testimony and what happened?

[Tupacabra]

Well, there's just like through spaces people were sharing their experiences and they were on, on what the fact is, is they were unknowingly announcing that to the intelligence community through our spaces. Right. And so they're sharing photos of when they're seeing stuff, what they're seeing, they're describing what they're feeling, they're describing their history, their childhood. They're more often than not aligning these events with childhood trauma or some new trauma that took place. And now it kind of initiated these events. And so they were giving over so much information to someone who would then, who could then identify who that is. On top of that, I mean, I was asked to join a company, Enigma Labs, that was doing this thing where they were, you know, you're supposed to kind of log your UFO sighting, which is all good and fine, but when you combine that with the fact that the CEO of that company was good friends with Gary Nolan, and Gary Nolan's explaining that, hey, people who see UFOs are genetically different. They have this unique thing and they were able to determine if someone really had an event based on if they did their blood work and scanned their brain, if their brain was altered. So now you basically have this thing where this app is allegedly helping to, you know, hey, we're just collecting, you know, come here and look at UFO photos. But you're also self identifying as a person who might have this mutation. You're on, you're dry snitching on yourself. Because if they can cross reference your UFO sighting to, to a real event that they might have awareness of or something, then they could be like, oh, this person's legit. Now why they need to know if you were special or different genetically is, you know, this kind of calls back to what you guys were not earlier. I don't want to get off topic, but you know what I mean, there's, there's definitely like a need to find that out. And Sky Watcher is a company that's.

[Red Panda Koala]

Trying to find Sky Watcher too, remember? Right.

[Tupacabra]

Well, they, yeah, they want to find those individuals to utilize them as psionic assets. That's the term. People who can channel a UFO and then bring it into view.

[David Lee Corbo]

These are going to be, I guess, liaisons almost. Right?

[Chipa]

I mean, you think they're, they're looking for compatibility or are they, I think.

[Red Panda Koala]

They'Re looking for bait. Maybe, Partially.

[Tupacabra]

Maybe. I mean, I, like I said this kind of goes back. I mean, you guys mentioned like the garden and the snake and this serpent getting kicked out, right? And then you go into these biblical stories of the Nephilim, these beings, right? Now imagine these beings weren't. Weren't physical. They were thought forms. And the idea of, you know, seeing the daughters of man and, and trying to engage with them, that's a conscious experience. Just like in the garden, the serpent sought after the woman, right? Like there's something, the veil between the, you know, there's more of an emotional. There's more of a spiritual connection. The divine feminine might have to be more susceptible to these thought forms that really exist in between the realm of God, angels and man, right? And these thought forms could then once they enter a person, right, A person starts having these ideas, all the yada, yada, they could change genetically, right there. They could be. Their genetics, their DNA could be altered. And now they're. Now they're giving birth and reproducing things that were altered by this other thing, not by God, through ideas, right? And that's when you get into Jesus. What was Jesus's main thing about, you know, if you have these thoughts that are bad, you've already committed the sin. You have to tend to the garden of your mind first. Now that's. There's a correlation. I know that's a. That's a weird interpretation of these old ideas, but.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I really think that's actually on point.

[Tupacabra]

Well, when you get to the UFO story of what these guys are doing, it kind of has a lot. They're. They're fully aware that these aliens are thought forms. They're not physical. They can't physically come here. And they're creating. Either through the help of mankind and our DNA or through the help of some technology, they're creating these avatars. Whether they be grays or alien or. Or reptilians or whatever, these avatars are the things that are engaging physically and they might be controlled through these conscious life forms or thought forms or aggregors or whatever, egregores. There's all these different.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's how I've been looking at the grays that they seem to be an avatar that's super limited, you know, biomechanical husk of some sort.

[Red Panda Koala]

It's weird. Like they're better than us on these other things. But it seems like they need, like this weird consent from us. They need people to believe in them. It's like this weird kind of.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what I mean? Well, within the spiritual realm, which According to Albarino, doesn't exist. But we're, we're coming to terms with the idea of how legalistic it is and the access that, that these, you know, however you want to describe them, demonic entities or, you know, the book of Enoch says that what we interpret as demons is actually disembodied spirit of the Nephilim. When they die, their. Their spirit doesn't ascend. It's trapped here. Is that all we're dealing with? I would say probably no. I would say the spiritual realm is inhabited by a number of things and other people may call it the astral realm. Doesn't matter. We're just arguing over vocabulary here. But I think that these things are inhabited, the, the grays, by something at any given time that exists only, you know, what we would perceive as frequency. And the brain being a receiver of frequency. These things exist on, on various, like, wavelengths. And, and I think that's, you know, we talk about on the show all the time. It's like that's where inspiration comes from.

[Chipa]

Angels in the airwaves. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Angels in the airways. Yeah. Shout out to.

[Red Panda Koala]

And it's like they need us. Right. As vessels to even interact with the physical world, it seems.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

So that's when you have people like Skywatcher and Greer being like everybody do C5 and invite these things into your life. It's like, what's your real motive here? You know, I mean, are you just. Are you just basically telling people, let's all ask to be demonically possessed? It's kind of what it feels like at some points.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, if, if you want to say demonically possesses, to be possessed by the, the spirit of a thing that's in opposition, doesn't have your best interests in heart, actually has a hidden agenda, is deceptive in its nature, and, and has a goal that is not. Not good for, for you or the rest of humanity. Then that's a great way to describe it. A lot of people get pissed off about the vocabulary and what does it all mean, but I think that that's a great way to describe it, man.

[Chipa]

Well, it's like, do you guys look into schizophrenia at all? I mean, we're all kids.

[Tupacabra]

I've looked into it extensively.

[Red Panda Koala]

Tuba has. Right. There's a lot who've looked into it too, like research, basically saying like, oh, they're saying real tube. I know you got some good stuff, bro.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, like, I basically like Gary Nolan, who. I don't know what his real intentions is, but he did drop some interesting information. Drops and revealed that they're looking at the basal ganglia as a source for these psychic experiences or alien experiences. It's something that's hyperactive. It's, it's, it's going to crazy in the brains of people who have these things going on. So I looked up what that's in relation to, and I found a lot of stuff that like, it's a, it plays a major role in schizophrenia, right? And so one of the conclusions I came to from all the research I had done was that there's like a, you know, schizophrenia. When I was watching all the videos and looking at case studies and looking at really what was going on, it really appeared that it was unintentional REM sleep while awake, that people were having REM sleep like experiences, but while they're fully awake in the real world and, and they're interpreting everything on these multiple levels, levels of meaning. And at any given point, their mind and their feeling could take over that illusion and overpower it and, and make them interpret things differently. With schizophrenia, you have all the same things going on in the brain that you do during REM sleep, which is that like, I mean, I didn't know this until I looked into it, but every one of your core centers, your motion center, your emotional center, your hearing, vision, all those things, those are more active when you're dreaming than when you're awake. And they're all happening at one time. So it's overwhelming. Like if, if you were dreaming while you were awake, you didn't know, you'd be overwhelmed with what was happening and you emotionally, you'd be all over the place. And so like, yeah, I looked into a lot of these things and found not only is there a link between the same type of same parts of the brain, but the same kind of ways that these experiences are described with schizophrenics and with experiencers. And also there's a connection between schizophrenia and MK Ultra. There is so much connection between those two things that it's kind of like what the. Like what?

[Red Panda Koala]

Like, it's almost like that's what they want, right? Like they're trying to induce it, right? This whole like entering candidate thing, they're trying to induce schizophrenia people.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think it also makes you, you know, whatever the mechanism behind channeling is, schizophrenics probably are. They have an unregulated version of that mechanism at play.

[Chipa]

It's just like so many different ways to get to the same, the same solution, the same conclusion. So you're describing like this idea of REM sleep, which I wasn't familiar with, but like schizophrenia, from what we've researched, it seems most prevalent in people who have. Have dabbled with methamphetamine, also Ashkenazi juice.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, yeah, there's a huge mess. But the methamphetamine makes sense because you're deprived of sleep for a long period of time. And when you do that, even if you're not on meth, you begin to drain while you're awake. And so they can compare being sleep deprived with how much blood alcohol level someone has. And if you watch footage of people who have, who are trying to beat world records or whatever, and they're trying to stay awake, they begin to dream, they hallucinate while they're. They could be standing next to you and they'll, they'll freak out because they thought they saw a spider. This is well documented. So you, you can't basically. REM sleep is such a high requirement for the brain and for the human experience, you can't escape it. It will start to bleed over into your life if you, if you avoid it enough. And like people who die of insomnia, they don't die of lack of rest. They can lay in bed all day and exert no energy. They. Their brain goes crazy because they can know they can, they can't turn off. They never hit REM sleep. They can. They could close their eyes, they could lay there. They never hit REM sleep. And there's a, there's something that, that, that's there. And REM sleep is interesting. I mean, when you're dreaming, you're really not in your body. You're. The visual illusion is so complete, you're having this entirely different experience. And Gary Nolan's credit again, the way that they describe like, kind of like how an alien would communicate with you would, could, could be through the dream. And this goes back to Carl Jung, which Jungian philosophy or Jungian psychology is really rooted in Rosicrucianism. Like it's, it really is, and that's what Rosicrucians believe as well, is that the angels and the demons, they contact you through your mind and through dreams, they build your dreams for you. And you have to experience these as your. As a person with willpower. And those, those experiences that are happening mentally then affect how you live your life physically. So angels and demons, they can't necessarily affect the physical world. They can only do that through you. And so they create these very profound visions for you to experience, to make, to alter your behavior this way. Or that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So many of these abductee victims will come back with like, you know, not only a message that's new age or gnostic adjacent, but they'll also come back with this sense of urgency, like a cataclysm is coming. That, you know, is a pattern that emerges throughout the abductee phenomenon for pretty much as long as it's been a thing, but it's one that never. Those predictions never come to pass, but I think it's just to impart them with a sense of urgency, like we're going to tell you something crazy. It's a great point. And you're not going to want to tell anybody it. So we got to tell you like the world, the fate of the world is literally hinging on you spreading this information and thereby you're going to go out and, you know, proclaim it. Because if not, then, then everything is gonna fall apart and it's all your fault. But I have to do this in an abridged version, but I want to say this to you guys because I think you might find it fascinating and maybe you should look into it. The audience is, is waiting with bated breath.

[Chipa]

What if he just looked you in the face and said the N word?

[David Lee Corbo]

They're waiting on baby breath. Dr. Jerry Marzinski is somebody that you should look into. He's a clinical psychologist. He dealt with schizophrenic patients first hand experience for like 35 years. He dealt with them in a prison setting, after he dealt with them in a medical setting. And now in the medical setting there's all kinds of rails and, and they don't want you to do this. Don't, you know, engage with their delusions. Don't feed into it. That's very dangerous. In the prison setting. They don't give a. After 35 years, long story short, the dude came out the other end and he goes, these aren't hallucinations. They adhere to way too many patterns. It's like 22, 23, 23 different patterns that they adhere to. A hallucination doesn't do that. Some patterns emerge within hallucination because in randomness, you know, patterns do emerge, but not 23 of them. And so they, they began to become predictable in their nature. And after he came out of the other end, he said, yeah, we have a really bad understanding of it. These people aren't subjected to hallucinations necessarily as much as they're subjected to something external outside of them. And he says in his research, demons is about the best descriptive.

[Red Panda Koala]

He, I think I've come across this guy before. Yeah, it sounds very familiar. I picture the guy, and that's what I was thinking of. I think there might be a few of them, but I think I know who you're talking about. If I'm not mistaken, I'm sure. Does this sound familiar, Tupa?

[Tupacabra]

Yes. Yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

We've had a few conversations with him, and one of the more profound ones was he bought on a guy who was diagnosed bipolar schizophrenic in his 20s. And by the time we had him on the show, he was, I believe, retired, had a successful career as a mechanical engineer and overcame schizophrenia, which is supposed to be a lifelong condition that's only managed by, you know, various downers that they put you on on. He overcame it by treating the. The whole thing as if it was external to himself. So the medical industry strips these people of their agency and says, you. You have a chemical imbalance in your brain. You're fundamentally broken. The only thing that's going to help you is therapy and pills. And that is a fundamental mistake. When you strip the agency from a person and tell them that they can't help themselves and you start to believe that you're broken, what recourse is there to take against, you know, potentially some external force? Right. But just treating it as if it was external and it was something that was oppressing him and doing this to him, he was able to overcome it, and then later on in his life ends up becoming, I believe, a patient of Marzinski's and. And understanding the phenomenon more. Marzinski's not a Christian. You know, to this day, I would say he's still like, on the fence. It's just in his estimation. This is what I'm talking about. The Bible gets the nature of these things. Right? Because even Marzinski says it's the best descriptive he's found out of all the things that this could possibly be. Demons and demonic are the best descriptives of this thing that the medical industry has failed to. To identify.

[Tupacabra]

I mean, I couldn't agree more.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah.

[Tupacabra]

And I wonder, too, if some of the medical field has been hindered purposefully in order to prevent people from coming to the right conclusion about what that specific thing is. Because it might be something that allow. It might be advantageous for a specific group or a specific thing or a weapon or a program. I mean, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it seems that throughout our research of MK Ultra and. And its inception and, and the CIA and all these different programs that are birthed out of MK Ultra, the therapist, the psychologists suffer the most. Well, no, no, not just. Oh, yeah, they do suffer the most. When they're close to these people, their suicide rate goes through the roof. And I think it's because you're experiencing attachment by these entities. But they seem to have been birthed out of these programs as a selection process. So going to a therapist or going to a psychologist in its really early days, you would basically get tossed her.

[Chipa]

Hand kind of idea.

[Tupacabra]

Oh, totally, totally.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, you were a good fit for this program. You'd get funneled into it.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, dude, they were. They were prescribing like housewives for having stress or being tired. They were giving them like, LSD without them knowing, you know, like crazy hero doses and then watching them lose their mind for a year. And like, like, it's just insane what they were doing. And yeah, like the psychologists and therapists communities, you know, and there's another reason why Jungian psychology was put to the side in lieu of whatever the hell they wanted to do. You had to kind of dig deep for that Jungian stuff. Like the. The Freudian stuff was way more that the paradigm that it created was something they could easily manipulate more because it didn't call to a higher power. It didn't. It didn't even recognize anything like that. But yeah, that's the basis of all these programs. All these hospitals and the medical field, along with the scientific field we know has been hindered. Right. Even. Even Eric Weinstein's coming out about that. Like, hey, this is crazy. What the hell is string theory? It was all nothing. It was just fake, bogus. What's dark matter? This was all bogus. Like, what the hell is going on?

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, that doesn't just happen, like out of nowhere, right? That's like a real over effort from like, really intense power Star scriptures that are able to do stuff like that. Or even with the schizophrenia thing too, Right? Like, yeah, someone somewhere made the choice, like, hey, we're not gonna acknowledge that this could potentially be like, people talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

To, like, demons, you know, it actually is. If you zoom out and you think about that, if, if what Marzinski's saying is true, and I think it is, not only is it a failure, it's. It's such a magnificent and harrowing failure of this, this, you know, esteemed medical or mental health apparatus that we have here in America. We love to talk about mental health. And you need to get with a therapist because you're, you know, your mental health is important and you look at the people that need it the most. And there's no help for them. They're disheveled. I have family members that are schizophrenic. It's not good. They've gotten no help. It's. It's the biggest ball drop I've ever seen of the medical. If you want to talk about like cancer and whether or not that's an industry that could be rectified, but they don't want to because it's more profitable to keep it going. I would look at the schizophrenia, you know, epidemic, or the, the, the mental health apparatus as if not equal, more so. Because if the truth is, it's spiritual and we're looking at this as, as brain chemistry that's never been proven. Somebody's gotta burn.

[Red Panda Koala]

Isn't the word pharmacia come from like magic or something like that too? Yeah, right. Pharmakia and all that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I, I want to ask you guys because we're nearing the end of the show. What do you, what are you expecting to see? You guys have been looking at disclosure very closely. We've all thought that it was going to kind of come to pass for, you know, a lot of years now. And it's like, it keeps seeming like, you know, they'll prop up permanently.

[Red Panda Koala]

Ball's edge, right? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And I, I'm of the school of thought that we might actually be there, especially given all the world events Epstein lists, you know, age of disclosure. Everything is very strange.

[Chipa]

Like, how could you not be there at this point?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Red Panda Koala]

But I think it already happened kind of vibes too, maybe in some ways.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. What do you expect to see going forward?

[Red Panda Koala]

Go for it, bro. I know you got.

[Tupacabra]

I make crazy predictions, but like, I guess, you know, to be conservative, like, I think that moving forward, the, the, this illusion is going to dissolve, it's going to continue to dissolve when people find out how married the UFO idea, the traditional mainstream UFO paradigm, how married it is to Epstein, how married it is to MK Ultra, how married it is to control manipulation. It'll. It'll kind of settle into a new realm of like, really talking to experiencers, really figuring out what is this going through the historical record being like, what, when did this happen? When, how often has this happened? Really getting scientific with, with it. Because yeah, I think one of the main crimes of modern ufology is like they purposefully leave out of some famous accounts. They leave details out that would reveal its nature. Like even they retell this when they retell it in a story, in a book, in a movie. They leave out the things that are weird that are like, that's actually so strange. What the hell?

[Red Panda Koala]

Because it doesn't look so right. For example, I think you guys had a fringe on. I'm sure she talks about it a lot. Like, all the ways the lady is deceptive. And like they say, like, oh, you did a blood contract with me while you were asleep. Like, that's never really in the zeitgeist of when he's on News Nation and talking about it. You know what I mean?

[Tupacabra]

Yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

So that's kind of an example, right.

[Tupacabra]

People, you're saying it's a great example. Right? So, yeah, like, I think those things are going to start to kind of bubble up and people are going to like, you know, be able to discern easier. Hey, what was implanted in here as an idea? And what should we. Where should we be looking? And because it'll be a grassroots movement, I see the, the people's stories being the most important aspect.

[Red Panda Koala]

And the Astroturf people are going to look real bad, I think. And they're starting to. Right. Like, how bad does it look when Timothy Alberino is like, so like to loop Lou, harassing people and spreading photos. They're just like, they're marking themselves more and more. It seems like as more and more people are kind of like, what me and Tuba doing, it sounds like you guys are doing too. Just kind of like doing our own thing. Not trying to be part of this, like, shoehorned astroturf disclosure thing. Yeah.

[Chipa]

He's also doing this interesting thing that you'll see we saw before with like mainstream scientists where there's a set of data here. And he's like, well, this data is not credulous, so we'll put it to the side. And we're like, no, no, no. I mean, none of this in reality, none of this data is really has any veracity. It's like we're just listening to people. That's really all that we're doing.

[Red Panda Koala]

And I'm not retestable, like, all of it, like, none of it's retestable.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right, exactly.

[Chipa]

He said, he told us all, like, he wanted to debate us. He said, bring your receipts. I was like, yeah, we'll bring our supernatural receipts.

[David Lee Corbo]

During the debate, he told us that this.

[Red Panda Koala]

The.

[David Lee Corbo]

The data was settled. It was. It was all, yeah, science is settled. The science is settled. Trust the experts. Like, what the.

[Chipa]

But it's not like, the best we can do is like here or all of this stuff and pick the similarities, pick the Differences, obviously there's going to be a lot of crazy people thrown in there. And, you know, we probably heard from people who are just lying, and that's fine, but you're gonna get that. And I think the best we can do, like, like, like Tupa was saying, is like, take these, these instances and they will boil to the top eventually. But really hold on to that and try to, try to understand that, because people are putting that narrative to the side for a reason. So, like, if they're ignoring it or if they're, they're pushing it down, I think it's our job to like, kind of put it in the light a little bit more.

[David Lee Corbo]

By the way, what's actually happening right now? Because you said, what's he. What is he doing right now? You're talking about Albarino. Albarino is actually currently commenting on Prometheus Lens podcast. Why? He's saying, why do you support these people? What happened to you?

[Chipa]

Oh, yeah.

[Red Panda Koala]

So how about you guys?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because somebody posted a clip about us from there on their show.

[Chipa]

We famous.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is a guy, by the way, and I'm saying this to the chat, really, it's like, yo, Prometheus Lens podcast is a guy who's like, working hard, cares about the truth, he's creating good content. And right now, Albarino is posturing and saying, what happened to you? Why do you support these fools? And that's the gatekeeping thing.

[Chipa]

He called us fools.

[David Lee Corbo]

He called us fools. How dare he? But it's just like, I can't see it through any other lens now. This conversation is actually really fascinating when it came to the. What you guys are describing. They do. What's the M.O. and what has happened to us or at least attempted to happen to us.

[Red Panda Koala]

But they fame the name of Christ with their vulgarity. Disagreement is one thing. Obscenity and slander is quite another. Anyone who associates with these fools should be ashamed. Mind you, he's over here shilling Lou, who's sharing photos of dead babies in the back channels and, and fake UFOs and harassing people. It's like, you know, bingo. I don't know.

[Chipa]

I'm not going to be told. I'm not going to continue to be told by awful people that I'm a bad person. Which is like, you know, you said, oh, this is a Christian show. And I was like, yeah, this is a Christian show. Because there is a. I think that there's a very important deline that needs to be made for people who do believe in Jesus Christ as Their Lord and savior. It's like, yeah, yeah, you can. You can do that. But, like, we don't have to fold neatly into some box that somebody else has made for us here. And, and when you do that, like, because, you know, I don't. I don't necessarily want to go out there and say slurs and all this like that. It's like, not like something that I find great joy in, but I realize that when I'm not put in this neat box, I cannot be assorted by these people, these nefarious actors who will then classify you and categorize you and you and put you neatly on a bookshelf where you belong, because you've listened to their narratives. So, yeah, we got. We got to be out there. We gotta kind of, like, touch that line that comes at great cost to, I guess, my soul at some point.

[David Lee Corbo]

But too retarded to stop. Yeah, you know, that's. Look, in. In closing, I want to ask you guys a question. And I, I. Oh, yeah, this is always my favorite question of the show. We always ask our guests this on the way out, or at least we try to when we remember. And I have remembered over this time and everything that you're doing, all of your pursuits as long as you've been looking at this phenomenon, all the meme warfare and the humor, but the good information and the conversations that you're injecting around this topic. Are, are you guys having fun?

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah. Well, I'll say. Yeah. And I'm. I'm. I'm probably for better or worse, I'm, like, addictively obsessed with this stuff. I think it ties into, like, nature of reality and just, like, what even are you. What's a hand? So I'm always, like, fascinated with it. And, yeah, I'm having fun with it, despite all the. I'm glad I got people here. We're meming it up. We've never been bigger than, like, ever. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I don't know. What do you think, too?

[Tupacabra]

Oh, this has been, like, the. It's a creative outlet like, I've never had before in my life, dude. Like, it's sick. And to be able to kind of parlay that into, like, people watching my AI videos and dumbass music videos about stuff is crazy. Like, this is the most fun I've ever had online and, like, professionally too. It's been really cool to be able to, like, do this stuff and have a voice. I mean, I love ufology and paranormal stuff my whole life. And to be able to, like, really kind of like, rub elbows with people and have a voice in it is just something I never thought would, you know, it would happen. So, like, every day is sick, dude.

[Red Panda Koala]

Like, getting paid to post, dude. Like, what?

[Tupacabra]

Like, that's a new thing that I love. That's a dude. That's a new spin on it. It's like, hell, yeah. But it's been. It's been. It's been fire, man.

[Red Panda Koala]

Members of Congress liking our memes and engaging in our narratives, like, crazy. What a dynamic. What a time to be alive, you know what I mean?

[Tupacabra]

Oh, yeah. There's nothing else I could have been doing professionally that I could have pulled off where I would have gotten congressmen and women like. Like, this guy's cool. Or retweeting so much.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's nothing Greer was using. Like, he's using your edits, dude.

[Tupacabra]

He opened up a whole thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. So cool.

[Tupacabra]

And that's. That's an attack vector for the hate group. And Lou Elizondo is to claim that we work for Greer because they. They're so jealous of the hood. Greer memes. It's such a positive. It's such positive pr. It's like, dude, he could have never paid me enough to come up with that. Dude, that's.

[David Lee Corbo]

That just happened organically. Dude. I. You know, they hate that guys like us are part of this conversation. You know, every. Every time I look at it, it just reeks of dudes that want to be taken seriously more than anything. And somehow the. The comedic angle is. Is somehow, you know, it's indicative of you not taking this serious. It's like, no, dude, you could have a real genuine love and passion for the truth. Truth and a fascination for this information. And you could also post and. And laugh about it.

[Chipa]

Well, it's also. It's your job, man. Like, you have that in you. Like, that you guys were made with something special where you could present this information in a. In a tolerable way. So, like. Like a spoonful of sugar with it. But it's the job of the holy fool or the. The jester to speak to the king in a time where when you tell the truth, you get your head cut off. But, like, that's like.

[Red Panda Koala]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah.

[Chipa]

We operate there in a unique way. And I'm, like. Not to, like, pat myself on the back or any of. But, like, that's kind of what we're doing. And there's people that do it better than us and people that do it worse. But, like, you got that. You got that talent and I'm just like, I'm really happy to like know you guys because you guys are doing it and it's so much fun.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is, dude.

[Chipa]

I see like, it's like the essence of humanity. You're discovering something new and, and I could see when you guys find something new and you're like, oh, like you, like you're hyped about it it, but you're also creating and you're creating something that is beautiful and bizarre and it's just like, man. Yeah, that's like, that's what we're supposed to do, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

That is, that's a great point. It's. It's fun and the information's good, right? So guys go and go and check out all the work because it is fun and the information is good. And in that way it's like if you're gonna put a fedora on and crack a whip and give me some dry ass information, why would I want that? That when I can go to a couple of guys that do love this stuff and they make it entertaining as. That's what they hate. That's what they hate. Guys, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.

[Red Panda Koala]

Great meeting you guys. Really want to. And yeah, I feel like we're all in similar vibes.

[Tupacabra]

Yeah, man, I can't wait. We'll talk again soon, man. For sure.

[Chipa]

Yeah, absolutely. Tell them one more time where they can find you. Obviously.

[Red Panda Koala]

Red Panda koala. I got three YouTube channels. Just type in Red Panda Koala. Probably all come up and then I'm on Twitter X and YouTube and Instagram. There you go. Yeah.

[Tupacabra]

And Tupacabra. Everywhere only fans wherever you want. Just.

[David Lee Corbo]

Blue dude on only dude. Yeah.

[Chipa]

Thank you guys again for coming on. Follow these people and until next time, guys, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see. And they will do it again. The end is written in the book, in the pages they foresee.