Foreign Policy for Dummies w/ Dave Benner

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad – "Foreign Policy for Dummies w/ Dave Benner"

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad
Host: David Lee Corbo (aka Top Lobsta), with co-host (possibly Clint Russell)
Guest: Dave Benner (Liberty Vault)
Date: March 16, 2026

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Overview

This episode delves into U.S. foreign policy through the lens of conspiracy, humor, and biblical worldview. Guest Dave Benner, political commentator and host of Liberty Vault, joins the Nephilim Death Squad crew to unpack current geopolitical events, the impact of independent media, the Epstein files, U.S.-Israel relations, spiritual manipulation in politics, and the future of narrative control in a world saturated with disinformation and AI. Throughout, the hosts blend irreverent banter, spiritual perspective, and a search for truth in a chaotic era.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Conspiracy Theorists Proven Right

• Redefining Conspiracy: The hosts note how mainstream acceptance is catching up to accusations that were once considered fringe. Dave highlights admissions by U.S. officials that confirm long-alleged foreign influence, with a special focus on U.S.-Israel relations.
  • Quote:
    "You can't say that those people haven't been proven true, at least to some level... the speaker of the House and the Secretary of State just admitted... Israel dragged the United States into a freaking regime change war." – Dave Benner (07:02)

2. The Power Shift: Independent Media and Narrative Fracturing

• The Rise of Alternative Voices: Social media and independent platforms have eroded the power of mainstream outlets to gatekeep the narrative.

  • Quote:
    "I think it really is mostly a product of the rise of independent media where now people's information sources aren't just filtered through a few big newspapers and a few cable conglomerates." – Dave Benner (10:56)

• Manipulation and Controlled Opposition: Some dissident voices may be co-opted, yet the multiplicity of perspectives exposes more contradictions and manipulations than ever before.

3. Iran, Israel, and the Scripted March to War

• Historical Context: The planned regime change in Iran has long been part of documented neoconservative goals (referencing Wesley Clark’s seven-countries memo and the "Clean Break" strategy).

  • Quote:
    "Wesley Clark revealed... he had been shown plans that the United States wanted to do a regime change operation in seven countries in five years. The only one that hasn't come to fruition yet is Iran." – Dave Benner (17:46)

• Israeli Influence and Evangelical Manipulation:

  • Israel-first policy is promoted by both lobbies (e.g., AIPAC) and cultural manipulation, particularly among American evangelical Christians.
  • Some military briefings explicitly frame conflict with Iran as divinely ordained, which Dave calls "the foreign policy flavor of QAnon."
  • Dispensationalism and apocalyptic prophecy are addressed as tools for mass manipulation, not sound foreign policy.
    • Quote:
      "A lot of it is caught up in this Christian Zionism that's based on a perverted interpretation... when you had people like Darby selling lies about dispensationalism and this special role for the Jews..." – Dave Benner (24:02)

4. The Feedback Loop: U.S. Politics, Lobby Power, Controlled Politicians

• APAC and Donor Influence:
  • U.S. politicians are systemically influenced by Israel-centric lobbies and donors. The amount tracked by APAC is only the most visible tip of the iceberg.
  • Quote:
    "APAC... specializes in maintaining donor records of large single-issue donors... that's the control that they have. Just look at the foreign policy, how it manifests and which country's favor it always seems to manifest in." – Dave Benner (31:16)
• Influencer and Fed Accusations: Pointing out how accusations of being a "fed" (government agent) run rampant, Dave suggests that most gatekeeping is performed by "unknowing dupes" rather than agents.
  • Quote:
    "I think there's a lot of unknowing dupes that fall into the hands of feds and do their bidding, like, without knowing that, but, you know, it's really kind of like a Pied Piper thing..." – Dave Benner (38:10)

5. Redefining the Battle: AI, Disinformation, and Next-Level Narrative Control

• Fog of War and Info Chaos:
  • With AI-generated videos and text, distinguishing reality from fiction is becoming nearly impossible—and this will only accelerate.
  • Dave offers a "techno-optimist" note, proposing that market demand may produce robust AI "fact checking" tools—though this remains double-edged.
  • The rapid news cycle and confirmation bias fuel viral misinformation.
    • Quote:
      "There's a part of the human experience, the human impulse, that actually isn't looking for true information. It's looking for narratives that suit their predefined interests..." – Dave Benner (71:27)

6. The Epstein Files: Vindication or a Plot Device?

• Massive Disclosure and Institutional Obstruction:

  • Recent DOJ file dumps seem to confirm years of speculation (except for the flat earth!), and yet the hosts are suspicious: is this genuine openness, or a managed, distracting "plot device"?
    • "It feels like a plot device because we don't get that sort of thing." – David Lee Corbo (63:21)
  • Key evidence about powerful co-conspirators is often heavily redacted.
  • Hillary Clinton has surprisingly called for further investigation of agency ties to Epstein, perhaps signaling an internal power struggle or calculated move.

• Transhumanism and Cultural Engineering:

  • Epstein's files link him to transhumanism and possible cultural influence campaigns—host speculation includes gender and sexuality agendas, reflecting a layered attack on culture and morality.
    • Quote:
      "Epstein literally, you know, saying that David Rockefeller brought me into the Trilateral Commission... what I cannot understand is people taking a look at the totality... and saying there's literally nothing to see here..." – Dave Benner (81:34)

7. Spiritual and Psychological Fallout

• The Boomer Dilemma:
  • Older generations face profound psychological upheaval as decades of core beliefs are turned upside down.
  • Having been immersed in establishment narrative and complicit in questionable policies (via voting, advocacy, or simply not questioning), being confronted with uncomfortable truths is a traumatic process.
    • Quote:
      "Imagine having that veil pulled back... it's horrifying. Potentially the elites are sacrificing children... not only revealed to you, but revealed to you that you've been complicit." – David Lee Corbo (82:43)

8. Anti-Semitism Laws and Domestic Repression

• Exploring anti-criticism laws (e.g., Florida and other states making certain critique of Israel a hate crime), Dave notes these as unprecedented carve-outs for a foreign power that infringe directly on Americans’ rights to debate foreign policy.
  • Quote:
    "It's totally criminal. So you can see how this toxic foreign policy spills over to like domestic warfare between neighbors..." – Dave Benner (91:24)

9. Secret Societies and Power Rituals—Bohemian Grove Connection

• Bohemian Grove is discussed as both symbolic of elite secret decision-making and as a site for trauma-bonding and potential blackmail, drawing a direct parallel to how Epstein’s island may have operated.
  • Quote:
    "You would have thought, like, that's absolutely freaking crazy... But it really happens, man. And... major political decisions happen under this cover of secrecy, this men's club." – Dave Benner (93:02)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On U.S. Foreign Policy Serving Israel:
  "We actually do [foreign policy for Israel]. And by 'we,' I mean our criminal government, not me and you." – Dave Benner (18:30)

• On Evangelical Prophecy and Policy:
  "A lot of it is caught up in this Christian Zionism that's based on a perverted interpretation…" – Dave Benner (24:02)

• On Cultural Red-Pilling:
  "The only way they see, like, their window of opportunity, the door at the end of that hallway closing gradually, gradually, gradually... they only see their window right now..." – Dave Benner (28:55)

• On Generational Trauma:
  "The last thing they want is the foundation of their worldview to be shook... imagine having that veil pulled back... psychologically speaking…" – David Lee Corbo (82:43)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------------|-----------------------------------------------| | 03:01 – 07:02 | Conspiracies, QAnon, and vindication | | 07:02 – 12:25 | Epstein, deep state, and foreign entanglements| | 13:41 – 19:19 | Israel’s influence and open regime change | | 22:17 – 26:41 | Evangelical manipulation, prophecy, & war | | 28:55 – 33:47 | Lobby power, AIPAC mechanics, & donor control | | 38:10 – 41:24 | “Fed” accusations, audience capture | | 53:51 – 56:50 | AI, disinformation, and information apocalypse| | 63:21 – 71:27 | Plot devices, confirmation bias, Epstein files| | 81:34 – 86:43 | Boomer reckoning and generational upheaval | | 93:01 – 97:50 | Bohemian Grove, rituals, secrecy | | 101:57 – 104:52 | Political future, culture shift, free speech |

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Closing Thoughts & The White Pill

• Looking Forward:

  • Despite current chaos, Dave Benner offers a cautiously optimistic view: cultural shifts away from blind Israel-first politics and a permanent erosion of public faith in establishment institutions are already underway. The rise of independent voices creates opportunities for truth to flourish, even amid algorithmic clampdowns and narrative warfare.

• On Living with Integrity:

  • Dave embraces telling hard truths, even—especially—when it is most controversial, following the example of his heroes.

• On Faith and Worldview:

  • Dave and hosts agree that grounding in Christ offers both an anchor and a moral compass, keeping their political skepticism tethered to a deeper, eternal standard.

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Final Noteworthy Quote

“We live in a perilous world… but at the same time, man, I'm living life like I have only one and I do, and it's to serve Jesus Christ above all. But other than that, I'm just going to try to tell people the truth when I think they need to hear it the most and... it's often when it's most controversial.”
— Dave Benner (107:06)

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Summary by Nephilim Death Squad Expert Podcast Summarizer
Stay curious. Stay dangerous.

Transcript

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[Dave Benner]

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[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

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[Dave Benner]

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They're still here today.

[David Lee Corbo]

When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Despot that squad. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. If you want to support us Patreon.com forward/Nephilim Death Squad is the place to do it. You'll gain access to episodes that are unedited ad free. You also get early dibs on tickets to Bohemian Grove whenever that happens. If that happens. I'm sure it will. I'm sure it'll happen. And discount codes off of merchandise from Top Lobster.com Pick a shirt.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Which shirt are we gonna shirt? Any shirt. We're gonna go with the black shirt today.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hell yeah. Oh yeah. The one with the missing tooth. That really makes me really happy. Yeah. Yeah, I like that one.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

A couple people I've seen somebody wearing that. I like it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go and get your black [e-mail] guys. Joining us today is Dave Benner. Thank you for coming to the show, Dave. Before we get into the conversation, let's talk about what it is you do and where people can find what you do.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. I'm already amped up from your intro video. You know, I'm already pissed at BlackRock in Israel just from viewing that. So you guys are doing your job. Yeah, man. I run Liberty Vault. It's a YouTube channel. I'm also on Twitter. I do political commentary, especially focused on deep state corruption and foreign policy issues. You can check me out on Twitter @d.Benner83. Also my website, libertyvault.net and it's interesting that you mentioned Bohemian Grove. I take it that's like your festival. I just did a 20 minute segment on Bohemian Grove with Shane Cashman, so it's kind of ironic.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I'm sure it was a banger. We love Cashman. We just had him on recently. One of my favorite people. Yeah, the Bohemian Grove. Well, actually, you know what? This kind of. I want to start this because I'm a little bit out of my depths. I'm politically.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I'm so excited for this episode. You have no idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

He likes when this, When I'm exposed to this sort of thing, I, I,

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I come from the background of, like, geopolitics, politics, libertarian theory, things like that. I also do, like, you know, comedy, so I dabble in that. And I love conspiracies, and I also love Jesus Christ. So, like, we're like, all right, we got conspiracy, we have Jesus. But when we go separate here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's like, I know about politics, and David's like, politics is theater at the highest level, and that's pretty much where it stops.

[David Lee Corbo]

Amen. Yeah, that's, that's my philosophy on these things.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Not incorrect.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, before we even get into it, I have to, I have to ask because we used to do a show,

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

are we going to be using any words that I might not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, virtually every word. If you say the word Mises Caucus to me, I don't really know what even. That sounds like a euphemism for a penis to me. Check out my Mises caucus. So we used to do a show, and it was a bit politics and culture and comedy and conspiracy was a big blend of all these things. And on that show, I would say things like, you know, mark my words, one of these days it would come to pass that all of the conspiracies about QAnon and, you know, we were

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

doing the show with Clint Russell.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. So. So I was basically, I would say this thing to Clint and he wouldn't roll his eyes.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

He would, he was, you know what?

[David Lee Corbo]

He was trepidatious he was graceful about it. He was graceful about it. He just wasn't too sure how much to get into it. But I would say these things that QAnon are talking about, you know, the anons of Q, they always get pissy when you say that. I believe it's a psyop, but I do think that many of the things they're harping on will come to pass. They'll be exposed in one way or another. And as we sit here, we've, we've, you know, we're coming off the back of the DOJ, you know, releasing how does it. Like 6.5 million files that are. Some of it is. A lot of it is just noise to 7 million.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Insane. It seems a little high to me, but that's how many files have been released. And then we also have this.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Starting this already.

[David Lee Corbo]

I didn't. I'm just saying it just seems like a lot. I would have never guessed it would have been that many. And then we have this deposition that's going on with the Clintons, which is, you know, in my opinion, it's theater. It's all to, to bolster this big thing. But whatever, take it at face value. If you look at it, it's remarkable. I mean, you have Bill Clinton starry eyed, reminiscing over his, his Epstein days. If you look at the videos, he's like looking at the evidence on the table of him. It's like images, you know, I remember those kids. I remember that kid. And then you've got, you know, Hillary Clinton, they're asking her about frazzle drip. So you're a guy who's been in this for a really long time. You know, you were talking earlier, you said since 2004. And you got back in it when, when Ron Paul was running. So it's what, 2012. Oh, by the way, it's a very cool picture. Yeah, let's pull that off the wall and show that off. And I'm, I'm curious. I like that one.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

There it is.

[Dave Benner]

But yeah, there you go.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Shout out to Dave Burns. Dave Burns, Yeah. He makes great artwork. So I'm curious as to your take. Watching this unfold, it seems like, you know, the political realm has been forcibly injected with some real harrowing. And the, the flavor of that harrowing is like child sacrifice and, and things of that where we, it's where we dwell. That's where we reside. Yeah, man. So what do you think?

[Dave Benner]

Well, I mean, if you're lambasted as a conspiracy theorist over the last decade. You can't say that those people haven't been proven true, at least to some level. And we were just been true. We can talk about Epstein in a second, but I'll just say the speaker of the House and the Secretary of State just admitted something that we would be smeared as anti Semites are saying, and that's that Israel dragged the United States into a freaking regime change war. So that's what they said when they allowed the mass to drop. When it comes to the Epstein files, we're again seeing things come to fruition that a lot of dissidents were smeared for. Now, I never really got that deep into like QAnon, but you can't deny the amount of times these people are speaking in code. And this was asserted back in 2016 when the Podesta emails were hacked. They were using, you know, pizza and grape soda and jerky and other terminology that seemed to refer to stuff that wasn't pizza, wasn't actually jerky and wasn't actually grape soda. And now you see Epstein using that same string of text with various people, including someone that was his erectile dysfunctional specialist. I mean, what's to say about that? It does prove some of the surface level things about what was said back then. It also shows Epstein's ironclad ties to Israel, doing literal work on behalf of the Israeli government and security arrangements. He had top spies living with him, the head of former IDF intelligence and former Prime Minister Ehud Barak with them. He wire transferred money to Israeli spies. He worked on marketing energy project called the Leviathan Field to the west of Haifa. All these different angles show Epstein's deep connections to this criminal underbelly. That's really transnational. So they smeared us for conspiracy theories regarding that, just as they did for saying, hey, it's not going to be two weeks to slow the spread. It's not going to be that, you know, you, you're going to be able to get by with this criminal government operating above you. So that's how I see it, you

[David Lee Corbo]

know, as a man, if you, if you should enjoy a penis from time to time, they see fit to throw you an entire parade, you get a whole month. You know what I mean? You go to any, any big month. I'm just saying, can we get a parade? I'm not asking for a whole month. I think that's a lot.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

But just February. February is open, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

We could take February. I don't know who had it before, but I'm just saying if we could have a parade where we, we just did once a. You know, one day out of the year you show up and there's like a giant frazzle drip float right where it's an inflated Hillary Clinton, like a kid's face over her face.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

We don't need like the celebration and the vindication, I feel like, is part of this weird trap.

[Dave Benner]

Right, like conspiracy pride parades is what you're saying.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what I'm saying, yeah. I mean, it's pretty much the gay parade, but. Oh, yeah, okay, so it's a redundancy, I get it. But I don't know, I just think enjoying same sex interloping gets you a whole parade. Why can't being right consistently get you a parade?

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

All right, Dave, so you've been looking at this stuff and it's, it is, it's, it's kind of like I get tentative when I'm touching on like the deeper conspiracy with people who are like really, really know their about politics because a lot of them like to look at the nuts and bolts of the politics and you need those guys. Like, like we had on Dave Smith and we for some reason decided it's a good idea to have a conversation about God. Like, what is God?

[David Lee Corbo]

That got clunky.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It got clunky because he wasn't willing. It was like, it was, I don't know, a year or two years ago. He wasn't willing to like kind of go into the crazy waters with us at that time.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he was just coming off the back of like some sort of a debate with Andrew Wilson. Andrew Wilson. And I think he was looking out for gotcha moments. And we weren't trying to, we weren't trying to create those, but he was, he was on edge. So it was a little bit difficult.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

So, yeah, so like, I try to like walk that line, but like, you've obviously been in and you've been seeing this stuff for a long time. Why do you think, why do you think you're seeing it now? And not just seeing it, but why do you think the entire world is seeing this right now? Because it seems too obvious.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, man, great question. I think it really is mostly a product of the rise of independent media where now people's information sources aren't just filtered through like, you know, a few big newspapers and then a few cable conglomerates. We actually do have dissenting voices. And I'm. Some of it's co opted, don't get me wrong, the FBI reassigned Dan Bongino back into that space for a reason. Let's Find real. But at the same time we are having new voices that are critical of this debacle. This foreign policy that always is Israel first. It's always globalist oriented. It's always based on empire building. You know, the things that we were smeared again for being called lunatics before is becoming more and more apparent. Especially when you see that this propaganda slot being used to support it. That somehow this is in our interest. It is a regime change. It isn't a regime change. It was for the sake of Israel. It wasn't for the sake of Israel. You know, we've been at war for 47 years. We had to take out their nuclear program but we, we destroyed it back in the summer. But now we still had to prevent them from acquiring a nuke. All these stupid things, they're so contradictory. It doesn't even match the coherency of like the George W. Bush era neocon propaganda. That's just war. But you see it in the Epstein scandal. This was a democratic hoax. We had to pay attention to flooding in Texas. You know, you're not my real supporter if you want answers here we get the same obfuscations that are being exposed more than ever I think generally because of the rise of the independent media.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

But it's still. So I agree in a sense that there is an independent media that is shining a brighter light on these things. But the mistakes of these countries to be so obviously like it's just blatant in their propaganda. Like I don't know, meeting with Tim Pool under Chatham House rules and then having it been like if you wanted to do that, couldn't you do that in the secrecy of the night? But like no, this is in the news, it's reported on and everyone is looking at it and going, hey, what the fuck are you doing over there? It just seems like we're supposed, like they want us to see. So that way the narrative could. There was a time in point where I'll just kind of go back where I actually put up a short that I found of Dave and Rob. They're like, I don't understand what Top's problem is with the Jews because I've been talking about this stuff for a long time and I've been using hard comedy and it can get like a little messy. But what I'm talking about is Israel. I'm talking about the government of Israel. And like people weren't getting it. People weren't getting it a while back. Now if you don't get it, I don't know what's wrong with you because it's so right in your face. Like, even, you know, that's the thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

It doesn't seem like it's necessarily. People have gotten smarter as much as it's the, the display.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah. It's like, now we're supposed to move in that direction. It's like, it's almost like, well, here's

[David Lee Corbo]

an example of it. Benjamin Netanyahu, February 28. This is what the. The day after or the day of that we. That Trump announces. And he goes, you know, he just posted. So anybody who's thinking like, oh, this isn't the case. This isn't for Israel. Yada, yada, yada, he goes, good week, my brothers and sisters. Citizens of Israel. This morning, Israel and the United States set out on a joint operation to remove the existential threat to Israel from the Ayatollah regime in Iran. So specifically, he's saying, we talked about this on a previous show. A joint operation to remove the existential threat to who? To Israel. So in other words, the regime, Ayatollah's regime is an existential threat to Israel, and therefore we've attacked. That's. That's, that's what he's saying out in the open, right there on Twitter.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Not even a lie. Like, at least the George W. Bush administration had some, like, fun lies.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dave Benner]

There was full lies, but they stuck to script. They said, weapons of mass destruction. He gassed his own people. He might share the bomb with a terrorist group to attack us. Now it's like everything they're throwing out, it's just spaghetti thrown against the wall and hope that it sticks. But then the next Trump administration official that speaks next kind of contradicts part of that. So, yeah, I think it's total slop.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's an interesting time and it's an exciting time. I mean, you know, earlier I said that or we mentioned that I look at these things as theater and I had an interesting little prophetic bit that I put on on Twitter and I wonder your thoughts on this. So I was saying back on the 31st thing was the 31st of, of

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

please excuse the conversation because we're gonna, we'll drag it into crazy town. But I do want to know a lot.

[David Lee Corbo]

I want to understand the, the inner workings of this, but I want to give him some framework about where our psychotic, or at least my psychotic suspicions lie. And it was after the release of the DOJ files and I said I'm looking out for a number of things, three things in particular coming next. And I tweeted it would be either the economic collapse, the collapse of the dollar, Iran versus Israel, or UFO disclosure. And it turns out all three of those things are, are on the table now, less than a month later. And the reason that I thought that is because I imagined some time ago that this whole thing is going to function like a script. Whether it's like Agenda 2030 or whatever people are comfortable with, it's part of an elongated plan and that these things, the files themselves, the Epstein files, they serve as a plot device and they would release these when they're ready for the next thing. And ever since then, we've been thrust into complete chaos. And I think it's going to be sort of an order out of chaos situation. But I think that chaos might go a little bit further than people might have imagined. And so I don't know. I mean, this seems like it's been something I didn't make a, a prophetic claim. I don't have. Clairvoyancey. It all seemed very obvious to me that these were things that were positioned to happen. In particular, this, this issue with Iran. Does this strike you as something that was long in, in the wings, in waiting, or is this something that is genuinely, you know, spontaneous because Iran has crossed the line?

[Dave Benner]

Oh, absolutely not. I mean, this has been in the cards in terms of what the neocons, what the devout, rigid Zionists have wanted since the 90s in what's known as the Clean Break Memo. And a lot of your audience might know about this, but Wesley Clark revealed when he walked into the pentagon weeks after 911 that he had been shown plans that the United States wanted to do A regime change operation in seven countries in five years. And the only one that hasn't come to fruition yet is Iran. And it's the one that Netanyahu and even the Israeli left, like Ehud Barak and Ehud all merit at times, have wanted to overthrow. And it is on our bankroll, it's on our dime as they infest our political class, our political climate, and really rob us of our sovereignty. So no, this is not new whatsoever. And a lot of people back in, you know, a lot of Trump supporters back in the summer said, well, this is the off ramp. Trump took it. He took the escape hatch. He proved that he's not a neocon. Well, but Miriam Adelson still gave him $150 million in his last campaign. The Adelsons filled his pockets to the brim. He appointed Mike Huckabee and Marco Rubio into his cabinet. Some of the most die hard Zionist neocons imaginable. So this is absolutely not new. It seemed like a matter of time. A lot of us talked about it for many, many years and were smeared as if, again, we are coming up with anti Semitic conspiracy theories. Israel doesn't control our foreign policy. We don't do foreign policy on behalf of Israel. But we're seeing that that's not the case. We actually do that. And by we, I mean our criminal government, not me and you.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Do you think we were coming up

[David Lee Corbo]

with anti Semitic conspiracy theories? I mean, that was on purpose.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, that was just on purpose. That's fun. But so do you think, do you think that. Why do you think that they're doing this? Do you think that it's just a land, a land play? Like, you know, we know they have eyes on the greater Israel. We know that maybe they want things. But then there's also like other religious ideas at play where we have the idea of the goyim being thrown around. So the mass is now I maybe for the first time in history that people are kind of not in history but in American history that they're understanding what.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

How they're feeling about.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would love to know, like if you record the number, like how many boomers in particular were, you know, got wind of this and we were like, what's a goyam? You know, like for the first time that enters their cultural zeitgeist, you, you actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

So do you think the play is more about like what Israel can get the land grab or is it about how much they can destroy or take? Because, you know, it just Seems like they. I don't know, they could. They could do these things and still get what they want. But there is, like, this nefarious side where, like, our culture is being destroyed. There is poison in the food in there.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I mean, you know, you name it,

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

the conspiracy, and then people point to a steam or whatever. Do you. Do you ascribe to that?

[Dave Benner]

I. I think it's about territorial conquest, and unrelated to the territorial conquest, just hegemony in the region. This what they see as kind of their last roadblock to total regional domination, in which they're the only country that even has, you know, modern military weaponry to the extent that they do, other than Iran. So they see the destruction of Iran as a good thing, regardless of what kind of government follows. Because we saw the same model play out in Syria in the Syrian Civil War, Operation Timber Sycamore, if you know about that. That's where the CIA tried to overthrow Syria. And eventually it was overthrown, but at the behest of the Turks and others that joined into that, siding with literal Al Qaeda and ISIS above the Alawite Shia that they wanted to pose, not deposed, because the United States. The United States was ostensibly, at least for a time, engaged in war against Al Qaeda. But you had the United States dealing in duplicity to help them. So they didn't really care exactly what kind of government emerged in Syria. It was just a destabilized, vulnerable regime. They hope the same thing is true in Iran. And I do think it is mostly about territorial conquest. And ultimately they could push the US Aside and side more with the BRICS countries and China and India and Russia that have all been kind of pushed together by US Foreign policy and really drive a wedge between them and us eventually. But I do think it just generally is about regional hegemony that, you know, our warmongers won in the Western hemisphere. That's what they want there. And they're getting it at our cost, at our expense, through extortion via the irs.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it does seem like they're leveraging sort of evangelical Zionist Christians in the

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

US there's like that level of. Of biblical prophecy that they do lean on and play on, and they. They manipulate the masses in America at least with that. Yeah, it's just, I guess from your point of view, you just. You think that that's just a useful idiot kind of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let's add to that before we answer that question. So somebody in the chat was talking about this before. We talked about this in a previous episode today. A complaint received by the military Religious Freedom foundation alongside others from 40 different units across 30 installations.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

The.

[David Lee Corbo]

The complaint is that. Well, here, let's read it. This morning, our commander opened up the combat readiness status status briefing by urging us not to be afraid and that what is happening with our combat operations in Iran right now is all part of God's divine plan. And President Trump, Trump, rather, has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark the return of, Of. Of Jesus Christ to earth. And this is actually something that was supposedly a request for help.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Submitted, not retweeted, by dissident media.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dissident media. And this comes from a. Looks like a group of about 15 different people. Jewish Christians, Muslims, and some, you know, non, maybe secular characters. But, you know, they're. They're actually submitting this as a complaint, saying, you know, maybe this is. Maybe this is too far. This is inappropriate. So it does seem that there is a huge element, and now it's even in these briefings, you know, to, To American soldiers, that this is a sanctioned war. Sanctioned by who? Sanctioned by God who has anointed Trump and Trump is going to bring about the, the second coming of Christ.

[Dave Benner]

It just seems like the foreign policy flavor of QAnon to me. But this is infecting a lot of the evangelical populace in the United States. I hate to say it, I am an evangelical because all that means is spreading the good word of Jesus Christ, which I ascribe to and I believe in. But at the same time, a lot of it is caught up in this Christian Zionism that's based on a perverted interpretation that didn't even emerge until 1800 years after Christianity was formed, when you had people like Darby selling lies about dispensationalism and this special role for the Jews. And you have a lot of, you know, Protestant evangelicals that literally believe, like clearing off the Temple Mount and then building a third Temple is a way to, you know, kind of hasten the second coming. It's. There's no biblical basis for it. Paul disposes of the idea of there being dispensationalism and a preference toward, you know, Israel and its identity and its kingdom. In Galatians, chapters three and six especially, but in more places in the New Testament, the Gospel is for all, and many people won't want to hear that. But, you know, the Jews have turned their back on Christianity not by accepting Jesus Christ. So I don't believe in subsidizing any kind of religion or any kind of foreign policy on the basis of any ethnic group, any religious group. And a lot of the nonsense they use to sell it is just based on anti Christian propaganda, if you ask me.

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[David Lee Corbo]

That, I would agree with that. But there is something that you're, you're touching on, which is this, this maybe something we could talk about a little bit here. Is it a small part of the play that's taking place, or is this much larger of a component, in your estimation, this, this attempt to fulfill prophecy or push prophecy along or force the hand of God? How big of a, of a, of a piece is this of the puzzle?

[Dave Benner]

I, I think that that that attempt to force like the Second coming is a smaller niche of like the Protestant evangelical sect that just wants to support Israel at all costs because they believe that that's conducive somehow to your faith. But you have a subsection of that that believes it. I think it's there. I mean, we saw it in, you know, just in like the Huckabee interview with Tucker Carlson recently, at least bits and pieces of that, those kind of ideas. But at the same time, I think the main driver is just to support this country just dump barrels of money into the coffers of a genocidal maniac and his regime at at cost to the United States. So I think it's a small subsection of that. But, you know, they're, they're erratic now, man, because people, especially on the right, younger people, are noticing this. That's why they're making major plays to buy out Paramount and Tick Tock. And now Larry freaking Ellison's trying to buy out CNN in a mass conglomerate strategy and what this is, it's. It's just in line with what Netanyahu pledged was the eighth front in the Israeli war. That's a front where the adversary is you and me. It's the American public that he said we have to wage an information battle. I'm paraphrasing from that meaning, but he literally said, in his own words, your audience can look at this if they don't believe me. He said, weapons of war evolve throughout time. We have to adapt to the new weapons. And. And it is an information battle. That's why they want to buy out whatever semblance of media conglomerate in the corporate news, although it's dying to use as weaponry against us to support this. So that's where I think it is.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's. Yes. And, you know, it's thrown us for a loop as well, because, like, we're looking at it through, like, this biblical lens of, like, maybe we're at the end times. And the only reason I'm looking at it that way is because of how quickly and erratically they're moving now. Like, they have a goal in mind, clear. It's going to be to destabilize these regions and expand their territories. But it seems like their goal has to get done by a certain point. Otherwise you could have. It's been a long time that they've been doing this. I mean, we spent 20 years in just Afghanistan. So, like, that's like a kind of a long play. And then in the last three, it's just been breakneck speed into insanity. And I'm trying to understand why, like, short of biblical prophecy.

[Dave Benner]

I think I know why. Top. And that's an incredible observation. I think that's a totally true observation. And here is why. In my estimation, that they see just in terms of every poll, you know, some of these people are Zionists and they're acting against our interests, but they're not unprivy to these polls that are showing that they're just losing the confidence of the American people, really, for the first time, especially younger people. It's very generational. Not just that, but even people on the right are peeling off to this when in the past you just saw aberrations like Ron Paul at Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan do that. They have a limited time constraint now, Top. They only see, like, their window of opportunity, the door at the end of that hallway closing gradually, gradually, gradually. Unless they accomplish this right now when they still have, you know, conquered our political class. And they still have that influence that I do think will wane over time, you know, I think it will be a follower to where the culture is moving on this. But in 10 years, I wouldn't be surprised if actually one or of the two or both of the parties will nominate candidates that say, I don't believe in any aid to Israel. And I never thought that I would see that in my lifetime, but I think that's probable.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I had tweeted out and not that I'm a fan of the guy, I think he's, I think he's kind of dangerous in a lot of ways. But I said, you know, Nick Fuentes will be president if you continue doing this.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's the way that we're headed. If you continue doing this.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, if you guys want that. And I don't think that's the right direction for the country.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's actually what I would. Because this is where I wanted to go anyway.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Can I ask him one more question just to like, put some weight behind the statement? Because you, you mentioned all of our political candidates beside, you know, like a Ron Paul or maybe a Thomas Massey or Rand Paul. How much, how much veracity would you put behind this? Because I, I'll throw this around and I'll say our, our entire government system is brought and paid for by Israel. It's pretty clear when you look at the APAC money and it's pretty clear when you look at how they behave toward these donors and lobbyists that are asking them to do things, because otherwise their, their, their actions are contradictory to like, the benefit of the United States as a whole. But I don't make great points because I'm stupid. How would you bring this home for an audience of people who go, I don't really see, I don't understand how they're controlled or like, if at all.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a great question.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah. So what I'd say is, first of all, you're not freaking stupid, dude. You're thinking on a wavelength, way above the general populace here. But what I would say is just demonstrate this based on the wars that the U.S. fought. Sure. You can say Ukraine. I know that has ties into the Rothschilds and some of these like, very ardent Zionist and globalist forces. But at the same time, look at outside of that, what wars that the United States has participated. You can make that linkage, but I think it's more apparent in say, Libya and Syria and Somalia and Iraq, these countries that were on that clean break memo. And you were right to point out aipac, it gets a special carve out within our own Government in terms of a lobby that doesn't have to register under Congress as a foreign lobby like every other group does. JFK tried to stop that. The 60s look at what happened to him. But I would demonstrate it by saying just look at their actions, don't look at what they say, look at how our foreign policy manifests. And it always seems to manifest to side with this particular country, whether or not you like that country. It's pretty apparent. And apac, the things that the Zionists will always point out, I want to smash this, this thing that the Zionists always say about that is they'll say and come back with, well if you look at the national lobbies, the money that flows through APAC is actually a really small fraction. And if you look at it in that limited capacity, it's right. But here's what APAC does that a lot of people don't point out is it specializes in maintaining donor records of large single issue donors like the Larry Summers, like the Bill Ackman, like the Larry Ellison's, like all these very ardent billionaire Zionists. They maintain contact with those people and say, hey, make personal donations to these candidates. They're totally in line with Israel's views. And then that conceptualizes really the grand overarching control that they have. So it's a hard question to answer, but that's where I'd start. Just look at the foreign policy, how it manifests and which country's favor it always seems. Seems to manifest in.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

That's crazy. That that means that like that APAC tracker, which does a pretty good job, even though I think that person is like a kind of a liberal or like blue haired liberal, does a good job. So you're saying it doesn't even scratch the surface of what some of these candidates and government officials are actually receiving.

[Dave Benner]

100%. It's just the tip of the iceberg, if it's even that. I mean that's just a small percentage of the dollars that flow through these Zionist interests and into the coffers of our elected officials and our bureaucracy, by the way, that sides with them because it's also conducive to the military industrial complex and the bankers too.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's the, that's the elected officials, right? And bankers and military industrial complex. What about influencers? What do you. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, how, how prevalent is that, really? I know within this community, we love to point at each other and accuse each other of receiving $7,000, which is. It's a funny bit. It's a joke. And I know that it's obviously advantageous to control thought leaders in, in communities. And, and, you know, that's, that's not lost on me, but sometimes I go back and forth on how impactful that actually is. Sometimes I found myself speculating as to whether or not, you know, we just use Fed. We'll use that language. This person's a Fed, that person's a Fed. And it doesn't really always mean federal

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

agent, but it was fun when it was just in the libertarian sphere and we were pointing like, you're a Fed, Yeah, you're a Fed. And you know, yeah. Even though it's like he might be, but the consequences were pretty low.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. But oftentimes anymore, oftentimes you'll meet a person and you'll go, oh, no, I think I was wrong about that. This is just a regular person who, through the lens of social media and their platform, looks one way, but in real life, this is just, you know, another schmuck like myself. How prevalent is that really, in your opinion?

[Dave Benner]

Oh, man, I love this question because I've always thought it's kind of lazy just to, like, label someone a Fed and just move on. It's almost like the establishment. It's the dissonant flavor of doing what the establishment does and just say, you know, you shouldn't listen to him. He's just an extremist, he's just a radical. He's just, you know, whatever they use to try to destroy you on that day. This is a way that dissidents don't have to actually argue on the merits of someone's argument and can just dismiss a person. I'm not saying that Feds don't exist. I do think feds exist. I think they infect, you know, political factions, and they do try to do the bidding of the regime, whether it's just, you know, sometimes surveillance, whether it's actually a psyop. I think they exist. But I also think it's really, really lazy to just say fed and just move on as if that's your get out of jail free card. You no longer have to make an argument that's what we would smear, like, the corporate media for doing when they called us extremist. It's like, yeah, we should smear them for that, but we should have a counter argument about why they're retarded. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Dave Benner]

So I think dissidents do overuse that a lot, actually.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think that nowadays, what's more likely, I think a paid Fed is far and few in between. What's more likely is you toting about a narrative that you don't understand its origins, you don't know where it came from. Maybe it's designed in such a way that when you echo its sentiments, you end up getting a disproportionate amount of followers or positive reinforcement.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

A good for instance is we just had, like, a big argument with some guy that's a fake archaeologist and he is toting a government narrative and came after us to debate and embarrass and sink us. I guess that's what people think. But we're on cancelable. And I want to call him a Fed, but I also see the reasonings for him to back this narrative. And there are many like. But one of them being is like. Well, two of them. I guess his entire fan base kind of likes this. They want to swing this way.

[David Lee Corbo]

This, like, Zionist flavor, which is audience capture, is. Is a real thing. It's hard.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

He's written a book before where it backs that. That narrative, so he has to defend the claim. On the other hand, he's standing alongside of people who are actual government actors, like Lou Elizondo, who is a government actor. So I'm like, it's very slippery. It's tricky. And to call him a Fed is incorrect because most likely not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, the best asset is an unpaid asset who's unaware. Right. You don't want somebody to be aware of the narrative that they're pushing or the agenda that they're associated with. It would be best for the agenda.

[Dave Benner]

I think there's a lot of unknowing dupes that fall into the hands of Feds and do their bidding, like, without Knowing that, but, you know, it's really kind of like a Pied Piper thing, so. I think that's right. I. I just hear the term just applied to just about everyone. And it's like, they're not all feds. Like, some of them might be feds, but if you're gonna call Tucker and Candace and Fuentes and on the other side, Ben Shapiro and freaking, like. Like, all these people are not fed. Some of them probably are, and some of them actually probably run these schemes to argue with each other. But I just don't think it's all of them. I just. I can't think that. And again, if you're not countering their arguments, I just think it's like the lazy, dissident way to dismiss someone without presenting your ideas. Right.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, it's. We. We ran into that a little bit in the. It's kind of why I stepped away from the Libertarian Party in a. In a bigger. In a big way, because there were. There's a lot of, like, libertarian principles where I'm like, especially during COVID when Covid kind of exposed some of this real harsh tyranny, the government let its teeth out. And I'm arguing with libertarians, who are. In a way, I understand what they're doing, but I'm like, hey, you don't understand. Like, they have. They have their boot on our throat, and in order to undo this, like, you kind of have to use the government to undo. Like, there are, you know, simple aspects like that. And I'm like, at some point, I'm like, I feel like you guys have been infiltrated so thoroughly that you are not just accepting the tyranny, but you're arguing in favor of it because you're against tyranny. It was very confusing. And I'm like, I just gotta get the fuck away from you guys, because I'm gonna go crazy here.

[Dave Benner]

Oh, yeah. I mean, even people at the, like, the Cato Institute, like Ilya Soman, wrote articles that said, vaccine mandates are libertarian. And that hasn't aged well at all. I mean, we look back and laugh at that. But there was a subsection of libertarianism arguing that. And I. I hate to think that, but that is the grasp and association that a lot of people came across and said, oh, that's a libertarian belief. But, you know, it seems to pervert the type of libertarianism that the Mises Institute and the Rothbardians wanted to have. So, I mean, at what point do we just defend this terminology? To me, it's just like defending the ideas and the principles are more important than defending, like, a grand philosophy, because people make associations that wouldn't necessarily represent what I think, if that makes sense to.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, I like Tom Woods. He'll go to war for the world with the word libertarian. And I'm just like, man, Tom. Just like, it's not worth it. Let him have it. Let him have it, man. And make up another word or something. But, like, these are. These are all great dudes.

[Dave Benner]

Like, yeah, Dice thinks that too. And I'm. I'm good friends with both Tom woods and Jeff Dice. Jeff is on the other side of that. I don't care about defending the lingo. Tom might. But then my retorts. Sometimes, if I'm to be a curmudgeon, like an autistic curmudgeon, which I am, I guess at times I would say, well, what about capitalism? Would you no longer ascribe to being a capitalist? Because Marx used that as a pejorative. He described it in a way that supports, like, corporate welfare and stuff like that. And it's like, at some point we have to use words that others understand. But it is a balance of using words that have been tarnished so much by charlatans, too. So this isn't an easy topic to try to navigate through all the time.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, we get caught up on words with. With people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's very difficult, you finding that in. In sort of a cultural subversion, that attacking the definition of a word and redefining things is a really great place to start if you can disrupt the fundamentals that keep it from being able to have an effective conversation around it. Right. So, you know, just the idea to use a great example is like, what is a woman? It stops the whole conversation. If you can't even define the fundamentals of what you're talking about, then it really slows things. That's a great way to throw gunk in the gears.

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[David Lee Corbo]

I want to bring it back to something that we talked about before with the idea of, like, the younger generations kind of waking up to, you know, the government of Israel's involvement with. With our own. And. And I wonder, as we're speeding towards this thing top that you highlighted, where it's like, it seems like there's a goal and they're coming to it because they're getting really sloppy and they're moving.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

That hallway is getting thinner and they got to get through the door.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's like a race. It's a race.

[Dave Benner]

That's exactly what we're seeing play out, man. I think.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I. And I would say so. And I would say, you know, if the goal was to eliminate Israel's enemies in the Middle East, I. I think it goes beyond that to, like, really crazy places, but a place that everybody can grasp is if Iran is really the last one of these, what was it, seven countries we talked about earlier?

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, that is a great goal that you could suspect is, you know, what they're racing towards.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I think they did a good job.

[David Lee Corbo]

They did a great job.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

How do you take. Listen, I don't want to sound like a neocon here or anything, but I'm like, damn, we. We took out the president of Venezuela.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, efficacy and Iran.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's like, these guys are getting really

[David Lee Corbo]

good at this moving and shaking, dude. So. So then the race, you might be able to paint it as, you know, I mean, Iran's demise versus the awareness of the American public to realize what's happening and say no.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It kind of makes me question, like, okay, okay, you get all that. You get it. You got it now. But these people are real mad.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Even if it doesn't. Even if they get ir. What if a year from now, everyone's like, wait a second. No, no, we know what we saw. And. And is that too little, too late? Does it matter? Does Israel, you know, rise to some unstoppable superpower because now all their enemies are gone? And. And they have, you know, from the. Whatever it is, the river to the sea, however the expression goes. Or do we. Do we see that really soon? What are your thoughts on that, Dave, as far as the race between public awareness? Is it enough. Soon enough, or is it too little Too late?

[Dave Benner]

Well, that's a tough question. It depends on what you mean by soon enough. Now, do I think that this will produce like, you know, anti Israel presidential candidates in 2028? I don't think that. I think that'd be a little bit optimistic from our vantage point on this. But at the same time, if you're asking about presidential candidates, like I alluded to earlier, for 10 years from now, I think that might work. Regardless of the political system, the culture will change. And, and to some extent, I believe in what Breitbart said, when politics is a fast follower or a downstream effect of what you're seeing in the culture. Now, I think that what we know from history though, is not that Israel can necessarily, even though we have overthrown a lot of regimes at their behest and most recently Iran, they might have to deal with future adversaries because this behavior in the region is not just going to win them more friends. Even though right now they see Iran as kind of the final domino to fall in the clean break strategy. Like the Turks don't exactly like Israel that much, by the way, and like the Saudis and Jordan innately would not like Israel very much unless the US literally paid them off just not to go to war with Israel. You could see the Saudis turn. I know that the bricks brics countries want them in their alliance and they were entertaining a membership for some time. You could see these dynamics shift just as they shifted against the United States. Two examples in Afghanistan. The United States funded the mujahideen in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded through bcci, a criminal bank. And you know, through Pakistan's ISI and the CIA, they funded them with weaponry. Well, then you see the emergence of the Taliban and Al Qaeda within the country funding attacks against us. And then you saw the United States fund Iraq in the Iraq Iran war, at times funding both sides of that conflict. But both countries then eventually became the enemies ostensibly of the United States. So I think Israel might see that too. So if it's too little too late, I don't know. I see things shifting in a generally better direction than they've ever shifted before on the right. That's what I'll say. It's a white pill to me, that and the rise of the independent media. But whether it's too late, I don't know. I mean, we're $39 trillion in debt, inflation's through the roof. Seems like economic meltdown is just like a preordained destiny to some extent. But I do think at least People are awakening to this more than they used to, and that's at least moving in a better direction. Does that make sense?

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a matter of perspective too, really.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, too late for us is one thing. Too late for Iran is another thing.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

No, I agree. I agree with everything you just said. It's just now that there's the crazy card that we deal with on the show, and it's like while all this dumb shit is happening, we have Donald Trump going, you know what, man? I might just disclose aliens. And it's not. You know, the alien stuff is fun, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, something that.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

But we know it exists. Like, we. We know that the craft, the technology exists. And if we're talking about this kind of like economic calamity, you don't, you don't crash something unless you have what's ready to be built in its place. That's like a Pete Can Jonas kind of things like start building what you want to see in its place. And I'm like, that's a great idea. Although I don't think we have the means to do it. But who does have the means is the government. So if they have this tech that's like ready to be released, we used a little bit of it. Like the discombobulator in Venezuela. We had this on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Great success, great success, great success.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

They were discombobulated, shitting from their butts. We have this ready to roll out. Like, sometimes I start to think like, man, are they gonna base an entirely new. Like just scrap this economy? Everything you have? Fuck.

[David Lee Corbo]

You roll out zero point technology, New stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, all new stuff. And just start moving as if not because that's how they. They do with currencies or economies. It doesn't kind of like slowly go away. It's like you guys were using the flower and like, not anymore. And now we're using this. Everyone holding that, you're beat. And we're doing the new thing. And I'm looking at that and I'm saying that's a very good possibility, a very likely possibility that we're ready to move on to some crazy new technology that will really shift the dynamics of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let's give Dave some, some extra crazy for that. Which is. It's of the same flavor. It's of the same flavor. I don't know if you're aware of it, Dave. There's a. There's a gentleman named Chris Bledsoe and he's a long time crazy. Well, yeah, he's a long time.

[Dave Benner]

Oh, yeah. The bills and And Patriots quarterback.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. No, no, no, not that guy. He's a different dude. This is a long time abductee, victim. Right. He's you know, in tight with the phenomenon, UAPs, UFOs, you name it. And he's been saying to his credit for a really long time since like 2006 or 2000, I'm sorry, 2016, that you know, he was abducted in some entity that identifies itself as the lady. It's take it all with a grain of salt, but gives him a prophecy. And that prophecy is that there's going to be. There's a multitude of. There it goes. A multitude of prophecies that he is the recipient of. But one of them in particular is about a coming war with Iran and Israel, which is not profound. Right. We've kind of seen that coming for a long time. But that this war would get to a point where it would be on the edge of nuclear exchange and that it would be stopped. What we would see is orbs rising up out of the ocean. Now I want to frame this not even necessarily in the sense of something non human. Right. Maybe it could be framed as what top is talking about these technologies that they may or may not have, that either they reverse engineered or it's just in the sense that the government is always, what's the expression, 10 to 15 years ahead of 70. Yeah, maybe that, that might be more apt ahead of us, ahead of the public in their advancements in technology and the idea that they would obfuscate a thing from us and create a whole scenario or at least take advantage, take advantage of an organic unfolding scenario to then introduced, you know, these, these technologies or something like this. So this is what he's saying now this guy's going on kind of a little bit of a warm up victory lap where he's saying, hey, we pointed to this as early as 2016. If you're in the UAP space, all these videos are hitting the Internet in a time where none of it's verifiable because AI is crazy of orbs coming up out of the ocean. If you look at disclosure we were just reading earlier is a military intelligence personnel saying that he has on document over 500 instances, I believe, of times over the last 70 years where there was going to be an exchange, some of like the nuclear variety, where it was allegedly thwarted by UFOs and, and if you pay attention to that narrative at all, that's not new. There are people in all these documentaries that come out and go, I'm of, you know in, in naval intelligence for 30 years. And we witness, you know, this Ufa, UFO, unidentified flying UAP, you name it, come along and disarm a nuclear warhead. This is part of the cultural zeitgeist, if you're paying attention to that thing. So I think to your point, top. Yeah, maybe, maybe even if this isn't aliens or whatever you want to call them, this could well be technology that the government has. And this could all be pointing to one big. Not just a regime change, but a, you know, a currency change, you know, a big techno technological revolution. You name it. I think maybe all those things are on the table.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, here's what I say. So I, I'm not proficient in the UAPs, the UFO stuff. I do think the timing of unveiling that through who is it? Paulina Luna at the time when the Epstein files are at the top of people's minds is not necessarily coincidental. But what I will say is it's not even conspiratorial to think that there'll be some, you know, the great. It's the great reset. Right. You know, they're on, on the record talking about this, the change of kind of financial dominance throughout the world. You see it playing out in a way where bricks hasn't done this yet, but there is a lot of people that want bricks to drive, to adopt like a new currency. Right. And if they do that and allow that to become the new world's reserve currency, that will be economically catastrophic to the United States. So it's not even, I think, conspiracy where this plays out. I think you're seeing people openly talking about it at globalist organizations like the Trilateral Commission and Council for Foreign Relations and the world economic forum, etc. So I think that that is the design for many people to want to follow as far as technology, that government is ahead of pace in developing. I don't know enough about that. But what I will say is a possible counter argument is it seems like sometimes entrepreneurialism kind of of speeds out technology before the government, but then the government gets its talons in IT and co ops it examples are like Uber and 3D printing and potentially like Bitcoin, depending on what you think about that is like. I think it actually works in the other way where the government gets its hands in it, but after it's been produced by actual entrepreneurs. So just some food for thought, I will say.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, so it's a misnomer to say that the government has produced. The government doesn't produce anything, but they do Co opt. And they do fund these people that are producing these things. So they're usually the first ones in. And if they have their. If they have their clause in it, they can make that proprietary for the government. Then you're under a government contract. In a sense, we're kind of like talking about the same thing but using different words, you know?

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, it's like the people that said, you know, Palantir is a private company. Right. But it's like, no, the CIA was its only client for five or six years, so you're exactly right.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean.

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[David Lee Corbo]

So where do you think this is, this is going, Dave? I mean, given everything that we've talked about here, especially in regards to, like, you know, the military being prepped for an ordained war that'll bring about the second coming, it seems like we're definitively moving in this direction. 2026. I mean, I. I don't know, is this a run of the mill, slow war or. We got all these, all this footage the other day of. Of missiles striking here and there. Look like Dubai and a number of other places. What's real anymore, dude? Honestly, you know, we got this video

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

of Tel Aviv being hit. I'm like, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's real.

[Dave Benner]

Israel is. It's illegal to film, for most purposes, the hitting of missiles on Israeli territory, and they prevent that from law from being disseminated on the Internet. So it's hard to know what exactly is real and not. People repost videos from, like, you know, 2016 sometimes. Yeah. As far as where it's headed, I don't know. All I can say is I think this regime change has so many scenarios that could be just disastrous for the American public. And I put it like this in some of my videos. Let me say this. And then you guys chime in. I want to hear your thoughts. It's. It's like the United States engaging in, like, the most risky parlay bet in Vegas they possibly could. Because here's what they want. They want regime change without putting boots on the ground. They want regime change and hoping that the regime that, you know, steps in for the Ayatollah suddenly doesn't want to develop defensive ballistic missiles. They want that same regime not to develop a modern navy. They want that same regime not to fund Hezbollah and the Houthis and Hamas.

[David Lee Corbo]

You.

[Dave Benner]

You're taking all these bets, like a string of six or seven bets that aren't even 50, 50 bets. Some of them are, like, 90, 10 bets going against the probability of, you know, that happening. And you're stringing it together in a parlay bet that just seems like you're asking for the world for it to come to be. So I think that this is a perilous action. And, you know, the only worst scenario could be the dedication of boots on the ground, which would, you know, cost the lives of US Servicemen, plunge us deeper into debt, and destroy our country, regardless of the political ramifications to Trump or the Republicans or the Democrats. I don't care about that.

[David Lee Corbo]

But Trump said that's not going to happen. He said he wouldn't. That we wouldn't do that.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I think he said he's considering it.

[Dave Benner]

Oh. Both Hegseth and Trump refused to rule it out yesterday. I haven't seen what either of them have said about it today. So you guys. I don't know, but.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Well, that would be an unmitigated disaster. But I agree. Like, how else. How else do you do the thing? Like, it is kind of like a hope. Although I guess you could just say, like, hey, we'll do this again if you. If you don't do what we say. But there's no. There's no guarantee that we get what we.

[Dave Benner]

That.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

That's the part that kind of confuses me. And even, like, on Israel's side, like, okay, so you've destabilized these countries. Now what? Like, you kind of have to invade, especially if you want to push back borders, or what is. What the hell? Unless Israel just wants them destabilized so they can't interfere with whatever they're going to do. I don't.

[Dave Benner]

I think it mostly is the destabilization. I Don't think they particularly care what regime comes next as long as it's destabilized for Israel's hegemony, for their territorial ambitions. But at the same time, they want to do that on the backs of US servicemen and US money without putting the IDF at risk at all. So, yeah, that's exactly what it is. And top, you just alluded to it right there. I can't think of a historical example, and I study foreign policy really hardcore. I'm not as knowledgeable as like, Scott Horton and maybe some other people that we would know, but I, I can't find an example where a regime change came to fruition strictly from like air superiority, millet air strikes, and not boots on the ground aiding rebel groups internal to the country, or like a mutiny within a country that just doesn't happen. So

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I don't know. Unless they're, unless they're relying on. Yeah, it's just, just, it's impossible. Like maybe some sort of MK Ultra.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, you know, where, where my mind is that and I'm, I'm, you know, of the, the crazy variety. So I, I do think there's something going on with that whole, you know, they're going to do this. It's the same thing with the drone incursion in New Jersey, which seems to be happening again. I think they're going to, at the bare minimum, if you didn't want to entertain the idea of something, you know, extra crazy outside of the human experience, I, I would say that they're going to do a show and dance to us. They're gonna, you know, roll out these orbs or something. I think that that guy Bledsoe, as much as I do think he's being misled, I do think he genuinely had an experience, but I think a lot of these experiences are in alignment with.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

But to what end, though? So, like, what's the point?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, to, to the end that I think we're at this place that, you know, when Alex Jones says a new world order, a consolidation of one world religion, one currency, one government, all these things, it's going to be consol. New revelation to people and, and that revelation will be of the. This variety. So if this guy is right, which I think we may see these things come to pass, but I think we're going to fundamentally misunderstand their nature and they're not what, what Chris Bledo says, I think we're going to be showing something. I think that's why I, I heard what you said, Dave, earlier, that it's Interesting. At the time that the Epstein files come out, we're getting this UFO disclosure thing, and it serves as a distraction, in other words, right. From these really damning. You know. Yeah.

[Dave Benner]

There's a vernacular for this. It's called flooding the zone. Right. When people are talking about one thing, it's flooding the zone full of other stories, other things that may be distractions from what really would be the most damnable thing for the people to actually pay attention to. And I think that's likely with the Epstein files, just because of how Trump behaved toward it. Like he was willing to sink his entire Presidency through 11 months of covering this up. I think that's the distraction and not the other stuff. So, I mean, I think the other stuff is the distraction for the apps from the Epstein files.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a great Occam's Razor. You know, I. I could see that. And. And it is also worth mentioning, the last time we had this, you know, the meme of Epstein didn't kill himself was the same time, you know, with the Podesta files and everything, that Hillary Clinton and Podesta came out and they rebranded and they, they called these things UAPs. And they started this conversation up, and

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

then we got Covet.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then we got Covet. So there's a lot of things to want to detract from the public's attention being aimed at the Epstein files.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

But I, I actually specifically, I mean, there's a lot. I don't know if it's true, but they say that there are, like, dates blocked out from.

[Dave Benner]

What is it, 1999-2001 is the biggest missing chunk of the Epstein files. And take that for what you will, but. And there's some interesting stuff about 911 in there. Ghislaine Maxwell talks about being on a shadow 911 commission. This is not a conspiracy. This is in the emails. Take a look at it and whether she would want to be on it.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, she's asked and she's politely declined. She said, no, I did it. I can't be on the commission.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a conflict of interest. I was way too close to the situation. Well, you know, I look at these things. Go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Do you think that that's like, so, I mean, they can show us. I don't know. George W. Bush is cutting a baby's feet with the scimitar and drinking the blood and eating the guts.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was Bill Clinton. Whatever.

[Dave Benner]

The tip lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

If we're throwing out a lot of crazy, but they're like like the 911 stuff. These people will go fucking berserk if we told them that you guys did this is like. That's the one thing that. That's off the files.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know.

[Dave Benner]

Even the dancing Israeli stuff, that's thoroughly documented. If you bring that up, you're automatically just smeared. Even when, like, the FBI acknowledges this. Right? So. Yeah, absolutely.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Well, that's the thing about the. And it gives me great pause, these files is that they seem to be, as a longtime conspiracy theorist seems a vindication on every front possible.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Except for flat earth.

[David Lee Corbo]

Except for fat. Sorry, I'm very sorry to the flat earth guys out there, but. But otherwise it's. It's a vindication of everything you ever suspected to have actually been the case, which I don't know, man. It's like, when do we ever get that? When do we ever get that? To me, in. In. I just feel I have nothing to back this except for in my heart. It feels like a plot device because we don't get that sort of thing.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

We.

[David Lee Corbo]

We don't get it all handed to us. And people go, well, the DOJ was forced. And I'm like, I don't. I don't. I sincerely don't think that that's how it works.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

They put everything on Epstein. Epstein's shoulder.

[David Lee Corbo]

They put it all on it. Yeah, like.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah. You know those in app game purchases that you hate,

[Dave Benner]

like the World of Warcraft money or whatever is that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. It's the biggest scam in the world. It's something. It's probably the first conspiracy ever introduced to my son where I'm like, no, no, don't download that. I know it says. I know it says free, but it's not free. All they're gonna do is show you cool stuff that you could buy, and it's gonna seem like a little bit of money, but it's gonna add it up.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

You're gonna tell me that this guy did that shit too. It's like, I'm just having a hard time.

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[Dave Benner]

Like, they have documents that say 10 co conspirators redacting all of them. And then they want you to believe that they coincidentally only redacted Les Wexner's name in that document, but not all the other 4,000 mentions of them. So you're exactly right. This is why I really think this scandal, the Epstein scandal, will go down as a bigger scandal then Teapot Dome, Watergate, JFK probably combined, because it involves more people of prominence, more files, more criminal networks, more events. Just. And they're hiding 2 to 3 million documents that aren't even declassified yet. So the. The prospects of us, you know, getting that, maybe we'll get some of it, like the JFK files in, like, 60 years. But this is gonna fester, man. This isn't going away.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Well, this is. We're entering this time. We were talking about it with. With the. The war footage and everything, and whether or not that's even a thing that would. Would be allowed to hit the Internet, you know, coming out of Israel. But between the files muddying the waters, and you might call it the fog of war, you know, I think that's pretty apt given the circumstances. But AI has reached rapidly this point where I'm having a hard time. Dude. Looking at. I was scrolling earlier before the show, and I was like, well, that maybe that is a goat man traveling the hillside in Scotland. It looked a lot like a goat man traveling the hillside in Scotland. And I. I don't know what we are. Just given the timeline, the expedience with which AI is developing, it might be safe to say that either we're there right now or within the month we're going to reach a place where it's indiscernible. Not long ago. Within the month. Yeah, because not long ago I was saying, prediction, man. I was saying three years, okay? And then all of a sudden, a couple of months later, I reassessed the landscape and I went, oh, God, no. Tomorrow it might be like, it might be not three years, but like six months or something. That was maybe two months ago that I was saying that. Now I'm reassessing the landscape again, and I'm going No, some of these things are getting past my radar. So. So what happens, dude?

[Dave Benner]

On Twitter you have like videos of politicians talking that sometimes I can scrutinize it enough to be like, no, I think that's AI slot. But sometimes, man, it. It walks that line where I'm not sure. And this is becoming prevalent and it will be part of our future, whether we like it or not. This is already there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, what does that look like for a guy like you, Dave? Because, you know, you're, you're, you're trying to analyze for us.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

We report fake news.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's fine. We have no problem doing that user through the roof. Yeah. But you got to.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

You got to report real.

[David Lee Corbo]

Earlier today, we showed a video of Joe Biden posing as a. As. As a bunch of different characters. And we told people that it was real.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Getting interviewed by Mean Gene Ogreson.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And it was, it was a great video, number one. And number two, we told people was a real event. And so, you know, you're sitting here trying to. It's kind of this really remarkable time. You're getting so much information and so much of it is providing so much revelation. But then it's like, I don't know, you might imagine it like, like, you know, Indiana Jones, when the, when the wall is coming down on the other side of the wall, it's all sudden it lifted up and it was like, the truth is there and you start moving towards it and all of a sudden the walls start closing. And it's like, as the walls come in and that window gets smaller and smaller, those surrounding walls, that's all complete disinformation, complete fake shit. And if they can fake these videos and they can fake images, what about like emails? Emails with human error in the text and emails that show you a date and a time and a corresponding email address, a sender and a recipient, and the DOJ is releasing this. But it's like, if you can make all that other crap, you can make this. This is nothing. This is white background in text. And in a month, dude, I don't know where we're going to be, but I don't know what to do about that. That I don't know what the hell is true anymore.

[Dave Benner]

My devil's advocate response is, first of all, I totally agree, you're totally right that that will happen. That is happening. It seems like that's pretty easy compared to some of the things that AI does today that that will happen. But I'm kind of a techno optimist compared to A lot of maybe my peers in the dissonant world, because I think there's going to be a consumer demand for AI fact checking that will counter some of the false narratives. Like they'll compare real videos of this situation unfolding with the AI video that corresponds to it in some way and yield results much like community notes will. So I actually think there could be, you know, a silver lining scenario here where citizens are, you know, given good information from reputable AI that serves their interest. Now, to the extent that that would be perverted, that kind of AI and twisted to like reinforce things that are wrong, that's a threat too. But I see this unfolding in a possible way in which we actually will be able to sift through the nonsense with AI itself, even while there's dark AI that is, you know, running cover and doing falsities, if that makes any sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not trying to actually.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

No, I mean, that might actually be a good thing. He's talking about a free market solution. But with that idea, it kind of slows. It would naturally slow down the news cycle. Like after, you know, I don't know, maybe a couple, maybe a couple of months of just insanity. Fake shit, fake shit, fake shit. By the time somebody develops something like this, people might learn to learn the behavior of like, okay, we have to wait a second. We have to wait.

[David Lee Corbo]

That would be great. Yeah, that would pump the brakes. Yeah. If people like us didn't immediately told, you know, roll fake Biden out dressed as a Dragon Ball Z character in front of the audience and go, it's real.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's what they deserve.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is what they deserve. Well, we do that, we give the people what they deserve. But that is an interesting concept because we watched the, the, the news cycle shortened, you know, events happening so often and in that, what it birthed is this rush to be the first one. And eventually what's going to happen is with so much fake information coming out,

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

person is not going to have a career.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Because they're going to be the first effectively who came out and spread a thing, you know, with virality. I would hope at least people would pick up on that and go, hey, your post that you did, no vetting on. And we live in this place where it's really important now more so than ever it was before. Now it's super important. Got, you know, 100 million views. So 100 million people got led astray by you who fell for AI slop and wanted to be first. And I would hope, yeah, maybe, maybe we will be More stringent in our discernment. I don't. I mean, it's asking a lot. It's really not our style. Actually, as I'm saying it, I'm like, that's not human beings. We want it now, we want it fast, and we want it to be highly addictive.

[Dave Benner]

And to be honest, too, dude, I think that there's a part of the human experience, the human impulse, that actually isn't looking for true information. It's looking for narratives that suit their predefined interests and their predefined philosophy and outlooks on the world. Right. And I'm not saying that I'm, you know, not privy to these impulses at some times. Like, confirmation bias is a really powerful dynamic on the human psyche, man. And people aren't necessarily looking for the truth. Some people are from time to time and in various things, but a lot of people are just looking for confirmation that they're right. I mean, that's sad, but that's true, I think, thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, I mean, yeah, I would agree with that. And that's. That's mostly what we suffer from right now. And in some ways, we are like children who are just getting too much too fast. And it's too good, what we're getting. And I don't mean that. That it's actually good in its nature. I just mean, like, yeah, confirmation bias, you know, vindication, feelings of vindication and such. And, you know, I kind of want to get your thoughts on. On this. It's a little bit of a departure from the Iran, Israel thing, but it is on par with the Epstein files. Given this, this. I don't know if you've been looking at it, Dave, this deposition that's taking place, and I do believe that something happened. Hillary Clinton called for an investigation into the agencies that are associated with Epstein's operation. And those agencies, you know, I. I imagine that would lead to Mossad and. And things of that nature. I don't know how real that's going to be, but I. If you would have said they're going to go speak at a deposition, I wouldn't have said that was likely either. Yet here we are. So we live in a time where it's very popular to say nothing ever happens. Although right now it seems like a lot is happening. Do you think, based off of the evidence that we have right now, I say that in air quotes because we're not. We're not dealing with evidence that's been brought to court. We're not dealing with convictions or anything like that we're dealing with a ton of 6.57 million files that have to be gone through. And who knows if any of this will ever see a courtroom.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's very frustrating. Like, the online lawyers and some of the. Some of these people who are actual lawyers on Twitter, they're going, hey, none of these things are actual evidence. Like, this is all just accusation. I'm like, you're right. But, I mean, I really do think that they did eat those babies.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. I think they drank a bit. At least one baby got drank.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah. So it's like, how do we prove that? Where do you go from here?

[Dave Benner]

Well, it's asking a lot for people to prove something when you're withholding half the files. And the files that you do give us are full of black boxes. Right. So right now, I think that, you know, I'm not a lawyer, but there seems to be enough connections, at least from Leon Black and Les Wexner, financially, that tie them into this thing. Especially if you're going to go with, hey, we put Les Wexner's name on a co conspirator doc, and then we won't tell you what caused us to drop him. Him off that list and stop investigating him. As far as the Clinton deposition, I'm with you. I was very surprised that Hillary Clinton said, like, she wants domestic and foreign ties between Epstein to be investigated further, because this is something a lot of people have been talking about, that even though there's this DOJ release that we have full of redactions, like I just told you guys, we know that there is over a billion dollars in wire transfer records between Epstein and people of. Of promise prominence that the Treasury Department is sitting on. Say what you want about Ron Wyden, he's terrible in so many ways, but Democratic Senator Ron Wyden was insistent that there's something here and that this should be subpoenaed for the whole Senate to see, and ideally, the US Public should see it. I think if you follow the money, you really will see Epstein's criminal ties. Not only that, but they haven't opened the CIA files on Epstein, man. And I just can't think that there's not a single CIA file on Epstein. So they're obfuscating things that might exist. Now, why Hillary Clinton mentioned that, that did surprise me because her family's tied into the deep state and some of these mysterious deaths like Mark Middleton and Vince Foster. So there you have it.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's. It's almost like a. Like, I dare you to like she.

[David Lee Corbo]

She does seem like she's going down with the ship or something, and she's like, you know, she's shooting everywhere. I mean, maybe there's something to that. Look, I wanna. I wanna add. I like asking David these crazy questions. Did you watch the deposition videos?

[Dave Benner]

Well, no. Okay, so part of her deposition was released later, but some of it was off camera, I believe. So I looked into it. I didn't follow that one as closely as Wexner because I always believed there was more there with Wexner. And he lied through his teeth on several different levels. We don't have to get into that. But I haven't thoroughly looked at what Clinton said outside of, like, some of the major headlines from it.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Do you. Do you put any. Any weight behind the idea of the Debuk d book that Les Wexner said inhabited him as a child and helped him?

[Dave Benner]

Whitney Webb brought this up in. In her book. He literally said he was possessed by a demon. And that's. I think that's paraphrasing it from what he actually said in the article. But he's on record on this. It was covered by media. I don't know what to make of that. I look at more of, like, the. The substantive ties financially to Epstein. He did bankroll Epstein. He claimed that La de Rothschild, who was the head of the Rothschild banking empire, the French branch of it, gave him a positive referral, and that's why he hired Epstein, which is really interesting. And the Epstein researchers didn't know that before that time. But I. I think it's just preposterous that Les Wexner is going to go up there and say he stole $46 million from me. I decided to settle this privately. It's like, no billionaires actually sue people over this. He never told anyone of the FBI, of the DOJ, that this guy stole $46 million from him. I'm sorry. I think they were tied into the same crimes to some extent.

[David Lee Corbo]

Speaking of. Of Wexner and I, You're. You're a measured man. You're a reasonable man. I'm going to continue to ask you crazy. Do you think. Because within this, these DY forte.

[Dave Benner]

I'm sorry, guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, no. I love this.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

This is.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Sometimes we get people to be like, yeah, for sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, people. There's a lot of people that come out.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It's like demons.

[David Lee Corbo]

And they'll go, you guys are exactly right. And you're right over the target. You're absolutely correct. And nobody's more correct.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, the orbs are coming out of the sea.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Yes. It's nice to have somebody that goes, hold on a second, hold on a second. I don't know about all that.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Victoria's Secret, right? You know, there is speculation due to some. Some files in the. In the doj. Drop that. And a lot of people have thought this for a lot of time. Many of the Victoria's Secret models are, in fact, dudes. They are, in fact, dudes. And I, I. And I go, oh, how fun. To me, that's maybe one of the more fun things that came out of this. I mean, it's right up there with

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Fed, when you put the triangle over someone's face and you go, like, gender inversion.

[David Lee Corbo]

I want to bolster this a little bit, Dave. I don't want to just serve you up this cold plate of training Victoria's Secret bottles.

[Dave Benner]

But.

[David Lee Corbo]

But, you know, culturally speaking, right now, it does seem that there is some push, and interestingly enough, that push towards gender studies, gender inversion, transitioning, etc, you know, hormones in children, even that is within the Epstein files. He.

[Dave Benner]

He's talking about transhumanism, for sure.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So. And I'm saying this to bail you out a little bit. I want to give you the room to speculate. It's not unfounded. I mean, these things are in these files, and you could look at them and go, well, it seems to me that maybe they want us to believe, at the bare minimum, that Epstein had a lot more to do with maybe cultural phenomenon and geopolitics and a lot of different things than we would have given him credit for previously. And when you look at the cultural impact of that LGBTQ movement. When we look at what we've been going through with children and hormone therapy, and then we look at what's in these files, and then we look over. And Victoria's Secret claims to have gender inverted. You know, is this beyond the pale to you? Is this. Do you have room in your zeitgeist, in your. In your worldview for the lady boys in Victoria's Secret being. Being real respective. Lady boys perspective. Lady boys. Yeah.

[Dave Benner]

Dude, I'm sorry when I just say this is not really an area of my focus, but. But I will see what Epstein said about, like, transhumanism and, you know, globalist efforts to push this mainstream, like, inseminating the world with his semen, which is a major part. If you've read that angle, you have Epstein literally, you know, saying that David Rockefeller brought me into the Trilateral Commission. And then you have people in the mainstream news literally saying that there's nothing to see in the entire Epstein disclosures outside of the connections to Israel, outside of the connections to Les Wexner and Peter Thiel, who heads up the Palantir surveillance state. Like, I can understand some people saying, hey, like, you guys are getting a little bit too far out of your skis by not being, you know, very stringent on some of your evidence for some of these Epstein angles. But what I cannot understand is people taking a look at the totality of stuff here, whether it's, you know, Victoria's Secret, whether it's transhumanism, all this stuff, and saying literally, there's nothing to see here. I think you can immediately distrust someone that literally says, there's nothing to see here.

[David Lee Corbo]

You can just check their. Their bio on Twitter. I'm sure it's Indonesia, South Asia, South Africa. It's like so many of these. These. Especially within the maga movement, there are a ton of these really big pages. You know, people have been discovering it, and now occasionally, I'll click on it. It'll be like a blonde woman with some pro Trump take, and she's got American flags. Yeah. Based in India, based in Africa, based in Asia.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

That's true. But there's also. There's also this boomer class that I feel like, cannot look at this. Like, and I have a little bit of pity on them, because it's like, this is the world that you have lived in for 70, 60 years or whatever. And guess what, buddy? None of it's. Actually, none of it's been true.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's a hard pill to swallow, especially if you're busy swallowing you know, a bunch of prescribed pills and you're, you know, kind of up there in age.

[Dave Benner]

I mean, we've been talking, our mindset is so resistant to this stuff, man. And I know some exceptions that were on the JFK thing and things like that, they saw a peek behind the curtain a little bit and knew something was off from, you know, the early 60s. But a lot of them are so resistant because they've just been fed garbage through their lives. CNN and the New York Times and Fox News. I really think that amounts to most of it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. And I think these people too, you know, psychologically speaking, are in a place in their lives where the last thing they want is the foundation of their worldview to be shook. I mean, oh, you know, if you're a young man, if you're, if you're a, if you're a Gen Z or, or you know, even millennials, I, I, I was shown when I was real young, like, ah, the official narrative is not what is actually happening here. So I was accustomed to that. But imagine having that veil pulled back. Pulled back is even the word. I mean, it's, it's, it's egregious, it's, it's horrifying. It potentially the elites are sacrificing children. Potentially we're being dog walked into a World War III scenario by a country that has a disproportionate amount of representation in our own government. And not only that, but it's the same country that you, as an evangelical Christian have been, you know, supporting blindly, you know what I mean, for, for a long time. Not just supporting though. I mean, it's, it's like part of the drum that you beat every Sunday in church, you know, this 501C3 system. So, yeah, fundamentally, pretty much everything that you thought is incorrect and all you wanted to do was enjoy retirement.

[Dave Benner]

Like, yeah, no, what you say is so true, man. And I know it is because I went through this maybe on a, on a different level, but I was a devout neocon. I was parroting the George Bush, Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl propaganda going into Iraq. I really was, I died in the wool neocon. And then when, you know, people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan exposed this madness and I really looked into, you know, the primary sources and stuff, I was like, what, what have I been supporting? I was a young man at the time, you know, I, I was 21 when I discovered, you know, the anti war movement and things like that. But I went through this too, and I had to question like my. My own sanity, my own personal constitution over this. So, yeah, that is a tough thing to deal with, and a lot of people don't want to face that, especially when it's like. Like 60 years of that. I went through this when it was only 21 years through that. And I'm not saying that there's exact parallels, but I do think that is a dynamic here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. It's something that I've been trying to, you know, I joke about it. It's fun to make fun of the boomers, and. And, you know, deservedly so. There's quite a bit to make fun of. But, like, yeah, man, the. The psychological implications of. Of having these things not only revealed to you, but revealed to you that you've been complicit.

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[David Lee Corbo]

And we all have. Right. I mean, even at the. At the most fundamental level, they're taking our tax dollars from your, you know, your. Your work day and. And they're funneling it into all kinds of crazy. But complicit in the sense of being a. A cultural. I don't want to say gatekeeper, but you're guarding this thing. You're standing firm in your beliefs, and you're telling people who come up to you, they have their complaints about, like, are you sure? It seems like they do have. Have a lot of pull in what happens here in America. What about the whole dual citizenship? And that's like, it creates reactivity in these individuals, in these boomers. So, yeah, to find out how many arguments you've potentially been in that you've been arguing for not just, like, the wrong side of things, but the side that is. I don't want to use, like, moral words like good or bad or evil or anything like that, but it's like this. This agenda, you know, as you laid out seven countries and. And how many years they wanted. And this is nefarious at the least. And you've been complicit, you've been aiding, you've been funding, you've been championing. It's a rough place to be, man. So I. I have a lot of empathy for it. I think boomers get. Boomers get the real end of the stick. Not, Not. Not financially, not any of those things. But I just mean in the cultural conversation, they get the end of the stick and they've been memed to death. But it's like, there was a lot of things that went into creating that mindset.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, totally, man. You bring up, like, dual citizenship. If we're talking that it's Like, I'm a Christian, I don't believe a man can have two masters. And I believe that both in regard to temporal versus eternal, like, I don't think that, that governments can supplant your allegiance to God. But at the same time, even on a lower level, on the hierarchy, having allegiances to two governments, especially when you're elected to represent people, that's just even more toxic and perverted. Man. And US Law prevents the necessity of having US elected officials even divulge what citizenry they have. We don't even know how many citizens in our congress are, you know, dual citizens, maybe dual Israeli citizens. We don't even know. They're not forced to disclose that. I think some of them have, but it's few and far between. So that's terrible. And you're right. I mean, a lot of this stuff, it's like, man, people don't want to believe that they're leading. They're, they're living in a world based on lies. But ultimately a lot of us are. And I do think we're better off even if exposed to that, even what it does to the human psyche once we overcome that and then operate toward truth. But, but, you know, the veil has to be lifted. I think it's being lifted for some people more than ever this last, especially five years. But let's see where it goes from here.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I, you know, this, this whole drawing attention to it has not only been something that you kind of been ridiculed for or labeled anti Semitic or any of these things, but there's also been, you know, I think here in Florida we had laws passed, sort of anti Semitism laws that I Don't know if they got passed. I don't know exactly what the, you know, the end result of that situation was, but it reminds you of just historical instances where in order to quell speech, you pass some sort of a law, anti Semitism law or whatever, making it a criminal offense. You know, just talking about these things. So from.

[Dave Benner]

Not only does Florida have such a law, Ron DeSantis signed it into being while in Israel, by the way.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, man.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Was that. Is that just for colleges or is that in general? Because I.

[Dave Benner]

It's a law that defines certain anti Israeli speech as if it's anti Semitism. And actually this came up on Tucker's show. He talked about it and, you know, talked about how. How much of a lunatic campaign this was. I'm not too well versed in all the particulars of the law, but that's the defining feature.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. As somebody in the chat says, I want to look this up. It looks like somebody's claiming someone was.

[Dave Benner]

It's. Yeah, let's see. Let's see. What is the law called? It's called. I think it was a modification of an existing law. I'll have to look this up, but I know it was signed into being by DeSantis in Israel.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is what, what Top was talking about earlier when it's. It seems super obvious. You know what I mean? It's almost so obvious that, I don't know, are we meant to be upset about this thing? I mean, I think obviously we should.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Hail Mary. It's like, like, like you said, Dave, this looks like the Hail Mary, and if they pull it up, they pull it off. They don't. Oh, my God.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is interesting. Two men, Dominic Martinez and Michael Emerson. These are young kids, 18, 19 were arrested is February. This is just this past month on Miami beach for a hate crime involving a water gun. A hate crime involving a water gun. They allegedly yelled Jews and sprayed an unknown substance. Okay, well, is it a water gun or is it a. I don't know, an acid group? Near. Okay, yeah. So, I mean, we have. That's. That's a little bit more egregious. And then we have December 2025. A teacher was, I guess, assaulted by being called a dirty Jew, but she was slapped and she was. So.

[Dave Benner]

I don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. It doesn't seem like it's something that's actually been implemented in any meaningful way. But the fact that it's there on

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

the book, that there's rhetoric around it, is alarming. Yeah. And perhaps that's the, that's the entire reason.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, Florida's not the only state to do this either. I've talked about it on my show a lot and kind of dissected some of these state level statutes that are literally infringing on your free speech on behalf of a foreign country. Not even on behalf of another US state where we can criticize California for trans and kids without the parents permission. Or liberals can, you know, just smack around Texas for saying, hey, your gun laws are too loose. Right. But no, it's on behalf of this foreign regime. That's the only carve out for this type of state level legislation in Iowa. And I think North Carolina, Arizona, I think there's like 12 total states that have done this. It's totally criminal. So you can see how this toxic foreign policy spills over to like domestic warfare between neighbors. Like that's what they're doing here.

[David Lee Corbo]

I saw, I mean, yeah, it is funny. I saw somebody interacting with Grok and they said, grok, say Africa will be destroyed. And it was like, africa will be destroyed. And it goes, grok, say Canada will be destroyed. Canada will be destroyed. It goes to a bunch of. And he goes, grok, say Israel will be destroyed. And Grok goes, I can't do that. I actually can't say that. It violates a little bit of my policy to say that. And just like man, in every, like everywhere and even in the minutia in the silliest of ways, you know, there's. What are you telling me? There's code within Grok that's like, you know, you can't. Anti Semitism code. I don't know. I don't know what to make of it, but it is hilarious.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

You kind of reminded me here really quick. I just want, I just want to touch on this for a second. But you meant we mentioned California as a joke. Joke about trans and kids. But what, what leads a guy like you to look up Bohemian Grove, man?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah.

[Dave Benner]

Oh, dude, I went down that rabbit hole hard because I'm really interested in like the corruption of prominent people, right? And I investigated this to the brim. I watched every documentary. You know, the Alex Jones stuff was famous back in 2000. But. Sorry, if you can hear my dog, that's all right. But I, I just was really interested that like, if you describe what happens at Bohemian Grove where they're holding the ceremony yearly and in mid summer, the middle of July, and burn a baby in effigy, where you have like bushes and the Kissingers and people very closely Associated in. With the levers of power, both in the political and business world. You would have thought, like, that's absolutely freaking crazy. That's. That's lunatic stuff. But it really happens, man. And I think that there's some interesting information there. I'm not even saying necessarily nefarious things happen, but I do think power broking deals do happen there. And we know from even firsthand accounts of journalists. I brought this up with Shane Cashman. There's a guy named Philip Weiss who wrote for Spy magazine that infiltrated Bohemian Grove one summer. And he wrote that he met Reagan there. This was 1989, right after Reagan's presidency had ended. He met with Reagan, and then Reagan confirmed to him, according to his account. You can read this in his article saying that he decided to let Nixon run unopposed for president in 1968, when Reagan was rising in prominence at the time. So you can't say if that account is true, that major political decisions happen under this cover of secrecy, this men's club. And there's so many different, interesting things about it, but that's kind of how I got interested in it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, this is exactly what I think, you know, people will say it's, you know, it's just. It's just a men's club. They're just doing it. And it's just a. It's just an effigy. It's not a real sacrifice. It's.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

So it was fun for us for, like. Well, it's. That is fun still very. To.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

To, like, run alongside, like, the political. Like the political guys, the political pundits that really are, like, good on a lot of this stuff. And we'll go, well, yeah, yeah, that's an end. That's an interesting scene that you got played out there. How come? There's a backdrop of Moloch.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

And it's always like, yeah. Our political friends are always like, yeah. I mean, but there's a lot of corruption. And I was like, for sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I just got to know why.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, what's a great thing to do? This is what I think they do in order to adhere to the deal. The deal is you're going to run unopposed or whatever the deal is. It is to commit horrifying atrocities together. And that is a way to, you know, trauma bond. Yeah. I was going to say, in psychology, they call it trauma bonding. But it's a great way to not only do that, but to also blackmail the other individual. Whatever decision is made here will never leave here because of this horrifying. Thing that we did together beneath this effigy of a giant owl, you know,

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

which, which we're now seeing in the Epstein files as well. Like there's that level of blackmail of. You have all, you have celebrities, you have business owners, you have political elite showing up to an island.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

And they're. Yeah, they're making deals.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's like, like, it's like, tell me you, you made a, a deal that forever changed the fate of a nation or, or was pivotal in geopolitics or whatever that was inherently corrupt. Okay. You made that deal. Fantastic. Where did you make that deal at? What, what were you doing? Who were you with? Because all those questions come next. If you ever admit to making that deal, you will never admit to making that deal because not the deal, but the follow up questions about where you were, who you were with, what you were doing are so much worse than even the deal that you made that you're never going to speak. So that's, and that's not even the, the spiritual implications of it. I'm just talking. It is a, it's, it's very effective at keeping people's mouths shut.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, totally, man. And like, here's another example with Bohemian Grove. We know, and I think they hid this for a time. We know that key players in the Manhattan Project, including Oppenheimer, went there and they have a special cabin within Bohemian Grove today showing that key members that were involved in the development of the atomic bomb were members there and discussed it there. They have a commemoration of it. And yeah, we're under this, this guise and the suggestion that we have representative government, that government makes decisions that are reflective of us, when it seems like a lot of these big decisions happen under the COVID of secrecy and with small conspiratories, conspiracy, people that engage in these conspiracies together, which we know happens through the annals of history. That's just the facts. The elites do conspire against us, regardless of whether people want to admit that or not.

[David Lee Corbo]

I want to ask you this and I want to respect your time. I know we've been going for a while, but so on the topic of, you know, being like, like let's say being libertarian and trying to affect change through the, the, the correct channels, using the system to your advantage, trying to infiltrate it. How does one begin to do that when it seems ever more obvious that at the upper echelons of this system that, you know, you hope to infiltrate and affect change in. They're doing something that is, well, not only outside of the system, but it seems to be part of the system.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

The Libertarian Party has gotten so goofy that I. From what I'm paying attention to now, they're jumping down Dave's throat, Dave Smith's throat, because he backed Trump, because. Not because he supports him, but because he's like, hey, we could actually have some sort of opinion on what happens here. And they kind of tried that a little. Even though he got booed at the national convention. Trump got booed. I thought it was a good strategy, but obviously it doesn't. It didn't work.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, see, if I was. If I was the advisor to Dave Smith, what I would have said is, you might consider that he's drinking babies. I'm not saying he is drinking babies, but, like, if he were to be drinking babies, how would that play into your view of, you know, associating with this and hijacking? I'm not even saying it was a bad move.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Listen, I still voted for Trump, too. And I was like, I know we know what comes with it, but I didn't expect him to go this bad this quickly.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah. And I didn't support him, and I didn't think he would go this bad, to be honest. Like, I can only defend my own actions. I haven't voted since 2012. I believe, support Trump, although I could see at the time, not knowing what we do know now, that at least some of the rhetoric was actually good. I mean, this guy was literally floating the idea of Doge, which would cut out $2 trillion from the federal budget. He'd end the war in Ukraine day one. You know, he'd do some great things according to the rhetoric, but it just proved to be rhetoric. Whereas Kamala Harris, man, they were literally talking about resurrecting the Ministry of Truth and Policing speech on the Internet at the end of her campaign, like, literally. So I could see why people were kind of buying into that to some extent. And then you had the Ross Albrecht thing, which was a win, although it's not as big of a win as, like, hey, shutting down the wars or stopping this insane spending. But at the same time, I could kind of see why people were doing that. Now, I'm not here to provide excuses, but at the same time, if you're gonna hold that over Dave's head like a, you know, a scythe or just put him under the guillotine for that, just about every Libertarian at some point voted for a politician that ended up sucking. And that's probably putting it charitably right. So I. I really Liken this to Christianity. Like, you know, you can't focus on yourself being perfect. None of us are perfect. We all fall short of the glory. And some people that made mistakes. I mean, Paul Saul of Tarsus is the ultimate example. He was persecuting Christians to their deaths, including Stephen. And then, you know, he turned his life around. That's just, you know, in kind of, what would I say? An archetypical example for what was possible. It's what you do after you make those mistakes that's important to me. I was a neocon. I just said that.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, I hear that. Well, I mean, yeah. Persecuting a man for what? Having some hope.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah. Or trying. God forbid, trying a little bit. You know, there's a man. The options are limited, but, yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess. Like you said before, Dave, like, we're gonna watch this thing play out, and I am up. If. If we get a long enough time frame and Jesus Christ doesn't return in the next three years or so, I think. I think that things will sort of even out. People are noticing, and hopefully they notice in the correct direction, and we move toward a solution rather than just reaction, because I think that we're going to go through the reaction a little bit.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

But maybe after we've had time to, like, cool, Cool out. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I mean that I feel very uncertain. I'm not afraid, but I do feel like.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Quick diagnosis of the next 10 years, man. What are you seeing? How do you see this go?

[Dave Benner]

Yeah, I do think the noticing of, like, the Israel first foreign policy is up close and center and. And just, like, how much the Institutions lie like no one bought like FBI narratives regarding Epstein and a lot of them doubted him on like the Charlie Kirk assassination. Just like widespread public support for these institutions are at an all time low. And I think that's a good thing. Same with the foreign policy. I'm with you. I don't think it will manifest like immediately politically, but culturally I think it is moving, man. I really do think that I'm white pilled in some respect on the culture, even though we don't feel it sometimes in our lives. And it, it's a great time to be alive to do what me and you guys do where we're bringing these messages out. You know, there are algorithmic barriers and roadblocks to what we do to some extent, but at the same time we can actually get it out there. Whereas we used to have to like, you know, achieve a level of prominence in the mainstream to be invited onto CNN or whatever. Like that's just not true anymore.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, you know, just as a quick aside, it is. Speaking of cnn, bizarre to me how Piers Morgan is like still relevant. And that's been something that I've just been wrestling with for like, I don't know, a few months now. I'm like this guy, you know, was part of this system that was completely dying and somehow he's managed to stay this like novelty.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

He's made himself into like the Jerry Springer of political shows in a way.

[Dave Benner]

I secretly love his show, guys. I actually love his show because our boy Dave Smith just wrecks on there. And yeah, I mean, he's found the way to make it work and he's done what all the stooges in corporate media refused to do. And it's actually entertained conversations with people that are dissidents in addition to all the mainstream hacks, which he does still feature in those debates. But he's presenting things that Americans actually view as substantive and debates that Americans want to see. And in a way I think he's kind of genius. Obviously we don't align politically, but that's how he's survived. He's done everything that the Don Lemons won't, that the Rachel Maddows absolutely won't. Because it would mean like entertaining suggestions that they don't want to be aired to the American public.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Free speech. There's a thought. Yeah, the guy is horrific. But, but the fact that he's letting Dave Smith talk to some, you know, media talking head is like, hey, that guy's gonna get eaten alive. And that's not going to be allowed on Pretty much any other format, maybe, you know, what was it, Patrick? Bet David did that to Andrew Cuomo.

[David Lee Corbo]

So great. That was the best. Yes. Speaking of these. These. These relics, I look forward to future President Stephen A. Smith. So.

[Dave Benner]

Oh, Dave Smith made. Did you see him make the case for that? That Dave thinks that there's an outside chance that. That Stephen A. Smith will secure the Democratic nomination because he's really quick on his feet in debates. He's kind of an outsider. He's not tainted by, like, Covid and stuff and wokeness. Like, I think that's at least interesting, right? But I don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe Jesus Christ should return.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Maybe he should. I've been. I've been hating Stephen A. Smith. A Rod was playing for the Yankees.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've been hating him since he. I watched him do some. Some UFC analytics, and I was like, I've been hating him.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I can't stand a full decade before that. The guy is. He is the worst, but he does it right. He's like the Floyd Mayweather kind of thing where he's like the ultimate bad guy. If you love him, you love me. Hate him, Hate him. I agree with Dave Smith once again, probably. And you know what? He's a president America deserves.

[Dave Benner]

Well, the thing about him is, like, no one knows, like, if he even has an ideology. I think you could just tell him, hey, argue this viewpoint about subject X, and he could actually make that argument because he's so. So adaptable to debates. He's debated every topic in sports history. Right. So, yeah, we'll see. I mean, I think it's more likely we're gonna end up with, like, a new summer AOC presidency, I hate to say, but, you know, we'll see. It could be interesting to watch, if nothing else.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was disheartening as. Dude, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Dave, this is something that we like to ask people at the. At the end of the show. Not just in this conversation, Dave, but in. In all your exploits. What did you say you started? Exploits?

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Is that a thing?

[David Lee Corbo]

It might be. I could be making up words on this show, but. But endeavors maybe, is what I was looking for, you know, especially now. 2026 is the gift that keeps on giving. It's a weird phrase to use, but just in the. In the. In the realm of fascinating crap to talk about, you know, that's the. The place where it's given gifts. Are you having fun, dude?

[Dave Benner]

I'm having a blast. Like, the last two years have been the best two years of my life, like, professionally, because I'VE been able to quit my corporate job and talk about what I'm interested in and passionate about. So, yeah, I'm having fun. We live in a perilous world that's, you know, very tyrannical. The biggest government, the biggest welfare state, biggest welfare regulatory apparatus, and some of the worst foreign policy crusades for sure. But at the same time, man, I'm living life like I have only one and I do, and it's to serve Jesus Christ above all. But other than that, I'm just going to try to tell people the truth when I think they need to hear it the most and. And it's often when it's most controversial because that's what my hero, Ron Paul did. He told hard truths at a time where it was most detrimental to, like, his livelihood or his, you know, reputation. But I think there's value in that. So, yeah, I'm having fun. I hope you guys are too, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Amen, by the way. We're having a ton of fun. Yeah, I will just say an inappropriate amount of fun.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

My favorite libertarians still are the ones that are Christian Christ based on. I love it.

[David Lee Corbo]

I wasn't aware that there was very many of those. I had no idea.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, he's one.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I know.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Woods. Ron Paul.

[David Lee Corbo]

Ron Paul's Christian.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah. Josh Smith. Yeah, Ron Paul's a Christian.

[Dave Benner]

Jacob Winograd.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's our. That's my boy. Biblical anarchy. Yeah, we know him. I gotta have him on. I gotta have him on the show one day. Yeah, man, you guys, like. Because that philosophy can get a little bit slippery, but I feel like if you have a good base, which is Jesus Christ, then the orbit of libertarianism really makes sense and you're able to keep it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

It doesn't. It doesn't fly into anarchy or just. I don't know how to really describe it. Doesn't fly into chaos or do, do without will because you have to have that. That grounding.

[Dave Benner]

And then totally. I mean, Christ is the cornerstone, man. I wouldn't even say, like, I'm an anarchist in the eternal sense. I'm an anarchist in the temporal sense in terms of looking at the world now. But I believe in Christ's kingdom and he is the Savior and without him, like, we're not held to any kind of moral standards. I don't believe in like, moral relativism in that way. So. I totally agree with you. Top.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Yeah, that's. That's where libertarian losing me. But dude, I'm glad to see that you're doing. You're doing fantastic. It's. It's really cool to see, like, the people that I was. I was lucky to work with early, early, early on, just really flying. Like, Scott Horton had maybe 15,000 followers on Twitter. Now the guy is like, through the roof.

[Dave Benner]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

All these people that are moving, man.

[Dave Benner]

Clint's rise has been awesome to watch too, man.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Clint, now we've had. We had, like, a little fallen out, but no, him too, though.

[Dave Benner]

Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

No, it's all.

[Dave Benner]

I mean, I mean, let's not mention that guy anymore.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

I'm proud. I'm proud to see them, like, really taken off because you guys have put a lot of work into what you do and you've honed your craft to, you know, just. Just in the most fantastic way. So proud to have came up underneath on the side of you guys and seeing what you're doing now, man, and just more success to your hope. Hope you continue to blow up, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, brother. Thanks for taking the time to chat with us, dude.

[Dave Benner]

Thank you guys so much. I didn't know you too well, David, but absolutely to utop. And you're an amazing artist. You've done some things that kind of flown under some radar, and, you know, you've. You've been out there too, doing this stuff for a long time. So, dude, I'm honored that you guys invited me. Thanks for praising my work and let's do this again sometime.

[Co-host (possibly Clint Russell or another co-host)]

Absolutely. Thank you, guys. And until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. See you later. Written in the book, in the pages they forgot about

[David Lee Corbo]

when the last trumpet sound in the heaven.