Garden of the Gods: Giants, DUMBs & Hidden Sarcophagi w/ BlaqLabs Rob

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: Garden of the Gods: Giants, DUMBs & Hidden Sarcophagi w/ BlaqLabs Rob

Date: September 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this captivating episode, hosts David Lee Corbo (the Raven) and TopLobsta are joined by returning guest Rob from BlaqLabs to delve into the mysterious world of the Garden of the Gods in Illinois. The conversation explores alleged hidden giant sarcophagi, deep underground military bases (DUMBs), cryptids, and the unsettling intersection of government, spiritual phenomena, and conspiracy theory. Drawing on Rob’s personal experience and wide-ranging research, the episode critically examines lore, suppressed history, and the blurred lines between myth, military secrecy, and unexplained phenomena—all through a Biblical-conspiratorial lens.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Setting: Garden of the Gods, Illinois

• Rob shares a personal account from 1997 when he and his wife explored Garden of the Gods after hearing local legends about enormous, hidden sarcophagi (possibly 12–18 feet tall) in cave systems beneath the region ([09:35]).

  • Quote: "The locals have talked about it for over 100 years...supposedly, there are anywhere from 12 to 18-foot tall [sarcophagi] in this cave out there in Garden of the Gods." — Rob ([10:42])

• Southern Illinois is painted as a hotspot for anomalous reports, including cryptid sightings (Bigfoot, gnomes, Dogman), visions of underground recruitment by unknown entities, and places with historically strange names ([15:09], [16:00]).

• The region sits atop a vast cave network stretching westward from the Appalachian Mountains—fueling speculation about access to otherworldly or hidden military sites.

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2. Unusual Geology or Evidence of Giants?

• The hosts and Rob puzzle over the peculiar, apparently non-organic rock formations—massive flat boulders, stacked as if by a giant hand.

  • Quote: "It definitely looks like some giants or gods went over there and just started stacking stuff up." — Rob ([18:07])

• National forests and parks are flagged as recurring locations for both cryptid activity and government secrecy, with the implication that some structures may be artificial or remnants of ancient civilizations linked to giants or Nephilim.

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3. Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs) and Restricted Access

• Rob describes physically finding a suspicious cave entrance covered by a huge boulder, experiencing strange feelings (headaches, fatigue) with his wife as they approached ([61:49], [63:51]).

• The conversation shifts to the secrecy and militarization of these sites—military or contractor personnel suddenly appear, escorting the couple out in a manner suggesting not only trespassing, but imminent unseen danger ([74:00], [104:25]).

  • Quote: "They are surrounding us with enough people...looking out, as if something or somebody was coming for us." — Rob ([104:53])
  • Rob notes the men wore "all black fatigues, combat boots...helmets and everything" and were uncannily silent, leading to speculation about advanced military technology such as sound cones or cloaking ([109:39]).

• Historical speculation arises: was the widespread closure of cave sites before the Civil War part of a concerted effort to hide evidence of giants, ancient civilizations, or alien artifacts?

  • Quote: "The Smithsonian was going and clearing out artifacts from caves all the way back...right before the Civil War...what if the Civil War was a distraction to keep us from digging any further?" — Rob ([37:58])

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4. The Mysterious Role of Contractors

• Modern DUMBs are suggested to be run not by the military, but by private contractors for reasons of plausible deniability, enhanced secrecy, and easy disposal of whistleblowers ([43:41]).

• Rob discusses his experience with NDAs and the sheer number of contracting firms supporting underground base construction, highlighting the extraordinary legal and operational measures in place to suppress information ([82:00]).

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5. Syncretic Lore: Mormon, Egyptian, and Deep History

• Anecdotes weave together Mormon legend (Joseph Smith finding tablets/artifacts in the region), Egyptian place names in America, and the idea that much of America’s deep past has been intentionally obscured ([22:11]).

  • Quote: "Anything that's Egyptian you guys seem down with. I don't know if you've ever noticed that those connections...the stories the Mormons tell and...from Egyptian lore are very similar." — Rob ([22:39])

• Discussion extends to esoteric theories (America as ancient Egypt, Mississippi as the Nile, evidence for ancient transatlantic contact), and carbon dating controversies ([29:18]).

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6. Paranormal Tech, Frequency Weapons & Radiation

• Rob details anomalies surrounding high-strangeness sites: cold air emanating from underground, the presence of heavy, "Ghostbuster-esque" backpacks (possibly sound/radiation dampening or deterrents), and the use of frequency weapons ([117:10], [113:30]).

  • Notably, visitors to such areas (including the hosts) often experience headaches, fatigue, and sometimes memory fog—consistent with reported effects of directed energy or radiation ([61:49], [117:50]).

  • Quote: “...makes me wonder if the packs that they had on were some kind of like active dampeners, sound dampening devices or something...” — Rob ([117:50])

• The hosts recount reports of "shimmer" effects, military cloaking technology, and predator-style invisibility observed in national forests ([111:54]).

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7. Suppression, Censorship, and the Mechanics of Secrecy

• Elaborate measures are described for suppressing knowledge—mental health institutionalization ("kettling"), discrediting, and even strategic "disappearance" of inconvenient personnel ([51:41]).

• Rob and the hosts discuss their awareness of "spellcrafting" and the manipulative psychological effects of language, social media, and possibly AI ([123:52]).

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8. Closing the Loop: So What Happened to Rob and His Wife?

• After their close encounter, Rob and his wife were tightly encircled and escorted out by the uniformed men in an oddly "protective" manner. The pair experienced a profound mental fog, exhaustion, and a persistent feeling of confusion for the rest of the day ([43:41], [117:41]).

  • Quote: "After this happened, both my wife and I were kind of in shock, which didn't make sense...things were really foggy for the rest of that day." — Rob ([43:41])

• Despite further attempts to locate the cave entrance years later, Rob remains cautious—aware of the risks (both physical and metaphysical) that come with probing these mysteries ([121:01]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On encountering military/contractor personnel:

  • "The urgency in the guy's voice was not like, you need to leave...it was like, you're in danger, and so are we, so let's get out of here." — Rob ([74:01])

• On missing, suppressed history:

  • "When you start finding the third path, that's usually when the system very much turns against you." — Rob ([97:11])

• On the odd silence and advanced tech:

  • "I have worked on projects like this...sound cone type projects for dampening...a jet engine that can go full afterburn and have almost no sound." — Rob ([109:39])

• On social media and 'spellcraft':

  • "I sometimes think Twitter throws spells...every single word in a tweet...can reach 20 people, you could reach 7 million people. It's definitely spellcrafting, but it goes both ways." — Rob & TopLobsta ([123:52])

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Key Timestamps

• 09:35 — Rob introduces his professor’s stories about giant sarcophagi in Garden of the Gods.
• 14:25 — Discussion of bizarre rock formations & images of the site.
• 20:53 — Speculation about the site as proof of flood myths, elevation issues, & ancient giants.
• 21:17 — Mormon/Egyptian connections to southern Illinois myths.
• 29:18 — Theories about ancient Vikings, evidence in Tampa, debunking the standard Native American narrative.
• 43:41 — Rob describes the day of their encounter: worsening physical symptoms, military-style personnel appearing without a sound, feeling "foggy" afterward.
• 61:49 — Physical symptoms revisited; gold/uranium deposits linked to religious or ancient sites.
• 74:01 — The encounter with the armed group near the suspected cave entrance.
• 104:25 — The way the armed group surrounds and escorts Rob and his wife out in a protective, ominous formation.
• 109:32 — Discussion of the soldiers' silence and possible use of advanced sound-dampening tech.
• 117:41 — Reflection on how draining and strange the entire aftermath felt.
• 121:01 — Rob mentions he’s likely found the entrance again, but is wary to investigate further.

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Tone and Style

The conversation is playful, irreverent, and frequently veers between skepticism and wild speculation. Hosts often riff on each other, blending humor, pop culture references, and genuine curiosity. Rob’s storytelling is detailed, sometimes technical, and reflective, giving an authentic (if speculative) feel to the recounting of events.

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Conclusion

This episode is a dense mosaic of personal anecdote, conspiratorial thinking, biblical references, suppressed history, and high strangeness, anchored by Rob’s mysterious encounter at Garden of the Gods. For listeners, it serves as both a cautionary tale and an open invitation to question the hidden layers of America’s past and present: How much of our landscape—and perhaps our history—has literally been buried?

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For Further Listening

• [Timestamps provided above for direct access to key segments.]
• Skipped: Advertisements, intros/outros, and repeated intro chatter.

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Transcript

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[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know what the hell that schizophrenic fever dream was. Rob, before we get into the conversation, let's talk about where, where can people. Where can people find you? Where can you. Because you, you, you, you, you. Did you get kicked off of Twitter or was that a voluntary decision?

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No, no, that was a voluntary decision because I found myself on Twitter way too damn much. It is my crack. It is my kryptonite. That's why this is green like a big green weenie, like the green dildos I used to make. Oh, God, did I say that I shouldn't let anybody know about that?

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

I'll be back on. I'll be back on black labs, on Twitter probably in the next two weeks, as soon as I get this drift car done in this drag car done. And this other engine that I'm doing development for done. So you all just have to wait with bated breath and be ready to squeal like girls when I come back on there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, very exciting. I guess we should give them something then to. To pique their interest. I know there was a couple of things that we talked about before the show started, but if you don't mind, I, I'd like to, if you could tell us about what happened. You and I got into a conversation on X and was about, you know, these potential deep underground military bases with these cryptids in it. That's how it started. That's how I, I started tweeting about it. And you said you won't see the.

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[David Lee Corbo]

That you were in a place called the Garden of the Gods and that you and your wife were beset upon by.

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His wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

His wife were beset upon by. By, you know, military personnel. And I said, no way is he talking about the same Garden of Gods, because there are two, and one of them is infinitely more popular, and that's the one in Colorado. So I assumed. I said, I'm not going to jump any conclusions here. He's probably just talking about the one in Colorado, not the one that. For the audience listening, those of you who may remember, I started to schizo, speculate as to what goes on there because it's close to Indiana and there's a strange happening in Indiana, Southern Indiana in particular. It is close to the Appalachian Mountain cave system that stretches from the Appalachians westward towards Indiana and Illinois. And. And I said, certainly couldn't be that same Garden of the Gods that sits above that cave system. And lo and behold, it was. So. So tell us a little bit about what the heck happened to you guys out there.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Okay, So I had a professor, and him and I were talking about the stuff that goes on in the X Files because it was popular in 97, because that's when this all went down. And I was talking to him about the fact that there's so many Egyptian references to everything in southern Illinois and. Because even the dog. So I went to Southern Illinois University and its mascot is the saluki dog, which is traditionally a Egyptian dog. Okay. It was used supposedly to protect the temples. Okay. So long story short, get to talking to him and he says, you know, there are rumors that there are huge sarcophagi or I guess sarcophagus, whichever. I don't know how to do the plural of that. English is my third language. So. So he says, he says they're. They're about eight. They're supposedly anywhere from 12 to 18ft tall in this cave out there in a Garden of the gods. So what is that?

[David Lee Corbo]

What's 12 to 8ft, 18ft tall?

[Todd Lassner]

This is the dog you're talking about here? Sorry, yes.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, it looks exactly like the one that we had in school. Yeah, exactly like that. They had a bunch of them.

[David Lee Corbo]

So are you saying that there was a 12 to 18 foot tall sarcophagus?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Not that I. I did not. I am not saying that I saw that. Okay. What I am saying is that the locals have. Have talked about it for over 100 years. And he said that it's pretty likely that there is something there because he had said that there are Some areas in and around Garden of the Gods and different cave entrances and that where you will be escorted off the premises if you're in the wrong place. And he, he had heard this since the 60s because that's when he started as, that's when he, he was going to school there and eventually became a professor. Anyways, so this goes on in my head for a few days and the weekend's coming up and I go, you know, maybe we should go check this out. This is kind of interesting. And we would go on hikes all the time anyways, so we would, we would go out to Kentucky and these various areas and go camp in that. And also too, at the time I was kind of big into the rave scene. So we would oftentimes go to these, you know, three day events or whatever. So we were kind of outdoorsy at the time. So we decided that we're gonna go over there, we get to actually talking to some of the locals. And it gets really weird now because the locals are very, have a very different, a very large difference of opinion. There are people that if you talk to them about it, they either lock up or they get angry at you, or there are people who will go, oh, you know, come over to my house and meet my uncle. Because, you know, he secondhand knows somebody that had been out there and has seen these huge artifacts. Right. Supposedly some of them.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was thinking about not speaking and totally freezing up my body just to throw the audience for a loop. Yeah, that would have been cool.

[Todd Lassner]

Okay, there we go.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you were saying that some people might even invite you over to meet like their uncle for, for what purpose?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

To talk about the various stories that they've had, they've passed down from generation to generation concerning the people discovering these large artifacts. And I mean, we got such varied opinions on it that it really kind of upped the level of intrigue to a point that, you know, it was almost irresistible to go out there. So based on people that we spoke to in and around town, the locals, we kind of figured out an area that would be most likely be where, you know, we would most likely find this cave entrance that everyone was talking about. Now here's the weird thing. We go out there and we start searching around in that area and we see what looks like a cave entrance. And it's very well formed and you can even kind of see down into the cracks between the rocks where. But there is this huge rock that's in front of it. And so we're there with pair of binoculars and we're just kind of walking around and just looking. And we walk for another, you know, 10 minutes or whatever and we look around at these different rock formations and I don't know if you saw, but some of those rock formations too do not look organic in Garden of the Gods, especially not for the Midwest area.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Hey, Nancy, I don't. If you're, if you're there, can you pull up some of the images of Garden in the Gods or Garden of the Gods in Illinois? Because you also get. Get ones for, for Colorado. But a lot of them from my memory, they seem to look like, stacked like, you know how like a person would stack stones. But I mean, this would have to be a tremendous. Did we just. What was that? Like a power fluctuation? That was weird. Just got dark in here. This would have to be a tremendous person. Okay, it looks like Nancy's already got some stuff pulled up. I got a thing right here actually. Yeah, can you put that on there? Because I got this little dookie ass mouse. Let me see some of these images because I remember that specifically. They look like they're, I mean, gigantic boulders.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

And.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, this is. That's fascinating. Look at. Some of these are crazy. There's a staircase there. The staircase. You know, I guess you could have a traditional explanation as how that came to be. But a lot of these look like. You know how you see people in like rivers and they'll stack stones. Yeah, yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

They're like put them together.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Which by the way, people get pissed off. Like you're not supposed to do that. I don't know what the hell. I mean, if you could stack a stone, dude, go for it.

[Todd Lassner]

Why are you not supposed to do that?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. It disrupts the natural flow of stones. Stones, people get pissed off.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

You know, it has a spiritual aspect to it. Supposedly it's like bad luck or something if you do that near water.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's interesting. So what's fascinating about the idea of Garden of the Gods to me is just to give you an idea, Rob, of. Of how this place came to. To pique my interest. We get a lot of strange stories coming out of Southern Indiana. A lot of visions and dreams being in underground caverns, being recruited or at least petitioned to be recruited by some entity. And. And these people that have had these dreams and visions, they're actually unrelated to one another. They don't know each other or anything. In some cases they do. But you know, eventually it's like you're dealing with a lot of people that are disconnected, don't know each other. The only great connective tissue they have is living in southern Indiana and having these bizarre visions. So given that it happens in an underground corridor, you know, you're gonna look to see if there's cave systems there. Turns out in the Appalachian Mountains, the biggest cave system in North America, it does deviate from the Appalachias, and it stretches west right through southern Indiana and into Illinois. And then I, I, you know, sometimes you hear of a town or a road, let's say, and it'll be called, like, the Crone's Finger. And you. And then you find out that the reason it's called the Crone's Finger is because, like, 200 years ago, people were talking about there's a witch that lives on that road. So sometimes places have a weird name, and it's because historically, something strange happened there. So I'm looking now for places with a weird name. None are more stranger to me than Garden of the Gods, because it sounds like an inversion. You have the Garden of God, right, like the Garden of Eden. And then you have the Garden of the Gods, which to me is like the fallen are emulating, you know, what goes on in the heavenly realms when they're cast down, something like that, to that effect. So I'm like, okay, the last straw for me, I go, let's look up cryptid sightings in this area. Is it. Does it happen at all? You get everything. Bigfoot, gnomes, Dogman, and tons more. All take place in the Garden of the Gods. So this is how this place first gets on my radar. And. And just to your point, Rob, if you look at this place like it is a bizarre, unique, it's beautiful, but it also does not seem organic.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

No, not at all. And that, and that's the beauty of it and the fascination is that it definitely looks like some giants gods went over there and just started stacking stuff up. Like maybe it was a giant facility of some sort or a giant temple at one point. A lot of these formations, they just don't work out as far as that part of the country, either that, you know, you see these kind of formations typically out west, and there's a reason that they can explain it away. They can say, well, you know, you.

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

There's, you know, this used to be underwater. That's one of the things they, they say, you know, especially about, like in this area in New Mexico and Arizona. That's why we have all the sand, allegedly. So, you know, water has some unique abilities to be able to wash sand away from rocks and then the rocks settle on top of each other.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

That those hydrodynamics make sense and that they could do that. And then eventually when the water was, was moved away from that area, then you would be left with these rocks that were kind of set on top of each other. Okay, fine. What happened here? This, this doesn't make any sense. You know, that, that action doesn't occur there. And there's so much foliage, it just, it just doesn't add up, you know, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

And a lot of that is, is an elevation that's above the tree lines. So I've seen images from Garden of the Gods where, you know, you're still among those stacked rock formations, but you're looking over tree lines. You know, you're, you're at a pretty considerable elevation. So. Yeah, that would be, that'd be a lot of water.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, I mean, yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

You know, it makes you wonder, is that, is that where they went to hide? You know, if you're thinking of the giant flood myth. Right. Is this kind of some sort of proof of the flood myth? Perhaps. It's hard to, it's hard to know offhand. And no one's going to want to admit that, especially not even with a professorship, because they like their tenure and they don't want to be run out on a, on a crazy rail, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

So. But they were willing to talk to me about it. So it's interesting. There are some people that have told me that there's A Mormon connection to this by the way, which is another interesting.

[Todd Lassner]

We have to be careful with this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, we have a lot of Mormon fans and they, you know, they, they don't like when we, when we besmirch their, their organization. What, what do the Mormons have to do with this area?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, supposedly there is a few Mormons who have told me this. Now don't, don't forget Mormonism is like Christianity. It has some divergence in thought. Right. So some Mormons that I had run across had said, oh yeah, supposedly Joseph Smith found some other tablets in that area and some other artifacts.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, so that was one that blew me away. Now I didn't find this out till, you know, almost 10 years ago or, or something like this because I had related this story to a Mormon friend of mine and he's like, oh yeah, we know all about that. And I'm like, well of course you guys do because anything that's Egyptian you guys seen down with. I don't know if you've ever noticed that those connections with some of the stories that the Mormons tell and then some of the stories from the, the Egyptian lore are very similar and it's.

[David Lee Corbo]

A weird kind of overlap because we've had Dr. Narco Longo on the show who's not a doctor at all and he says that if you look at, there's like all of these things about America where he believes the entire map has been inverted and that America was actually Egypt. He thinks that the Mississippi was the Nile. You know, you have Memphis, tennis, there's like a lot of Egyptian names especially in and around like the Mississippi and, and things of that nature. And then yeah, when you look into the Grand Canyon supposedly there's like Egyptian artifacts that were found in there. Hieroglyphics, all kinds of, you know, carving.

[Todd Lassner]

Statues, et cetera, pyramids all over the place.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, yeah, the burial mounds which each time one of them is dug up it's a pyramid. So you know, the speculation is that many of these mounds that seem to be hills are actually pyramids. So I don't know where to place that exactly, but it wouldn't surprise me given the, the tablets and the etchings and you know, things of that nature. And the Mormons interest in the more mystic side of Christianity, more relic driven lore wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that too because we, our best, our best artifact that we have here in New Mexico is Chaco Canyon where there are proto Hebraic carvings in cave wall out here that don't match any of the other civilizations that inhabited the area. Not to mention too now that they've found that there is eight now they're going back eight million years now they think was the first, proto, proto Indian, I think it was proto Aryan remains were found that were 8 million years old and they had with them evidence of civilization, tools, utensils, etc pottery 8 million years old. So our, our whole idea of what we believe as far as our origin own origin stories are completely wrong. Not to mention too, if you've ever seen, and I've talked about it before because oddly enough I want my reparations because I'm part of that genetic lineage from Siberia. So I'm like, hey, they found Siberian DNA that predates any remains that they found that were Native American here in North America. So now they, based on that, Russia is making a legal claim to the UN and saying, hey, that's actually our land. They want to claim to North America. So there's a lot of people that believe that the, that are starting to put it together. And I are thinking that maybe Putin's gambit with this war against Ukraine and now against Greater Europe as it looks like it's developing into is actually part of that claim that he wants to make. And if you remember, he was going back through and, and he was Reese, he was looking into the DNA of the Scythian warriors, which depending on how you look at it, some of that Scythian lineage could actually be part of the Malta lineage that was found here in North America. So that may be the base because everyone's like, well why is he messing with DNA? You know, they don't have a really good economy, right? They're, they're, their military is mediocre at best. You know, there's a lot of other things he should be concentrating on. Why is he concentrating on this Scythian DNA study? Well, because that Scythian DNA study, my hypothesis is that that may link him to a claim to areas of North America.

[David Lee Corbo]

One of the things Narco Longo said was that they found burial mounds that were, you know, done in the style that only the Vikings were known for having done. And what's famous in the Tampa area of Florida are these stones that have these tremendous holes bore through them. And I believe there's a terminology called like waterways which is just, you know, over time water will find its way through a stone. If there's a continual drip or stream running, it'll eventually work its way. But they're they're not very distinct in. In the way that they appear, these boreholes. They are typically perfectly symmetrical, and they're centered on the stone. And this would have been a type of anchor that. That the Vikings were also famous for using. And you will find those stones all over the Tampa area. I've seen them myself out and about with my wife. I. There's even a parking lot in Tampa that just has one like, kind of situated at the mouth of the parking lot. There are lawns with them on there. They're embedded in the ground. They're kind of a novelty. Homeowners will keep them there. I know in. In my area, there was one that was between the lawn and the. The curb. So right there on that strip of grass, there's a lot of signs. One in particular was this. We. We spoke about it recently, and somebody in the chat called out what the name it was. I forget what it was, but there is a stone outside of a restaurant in Port Richie, Newport Richey, Florida, which is in the Tampa Bay area.

[Todd Lassner]

A drog stone.

[David Lee Corbo]

I forget what the heck it's called. I think they used it for a number of things, including sacrifices. And there was a face carved into it. The whole thing becomes really hard to understand, too, because you're saying that one of these things dates back to 8 million years ago. I don't know if you're familiar with, with Ed Mabry, who's a repeating guest on the show. And when he first came on our show, one of the things that he determined that was really fascinating. We asked him to come on and speak about it, was this idea that the speed of light is slowing down, that it is not a constant. And. And so there was this idea that the speed of light was much faster, you know, thousands of years ago. But one of the things he talked about, because that has a lot of effects, is the effect that it would have on carbon dating. And because it was so much faster back then that it would make things look like they were incredibly old. It was. It's kind of hard. I'm. I'm retarded. Just beyond my grasp. Do you remember what I'm talking about?

[Todd Lassner]

I think it's because, like, the. The constitution, if things would have been, I guess, more firm, for lack of better words, back then, because of how. Because of how the. I guess the. The closeness of the main source of light would have made the atom speed around the. The neutron. So that would make, like, desks and tables and people more dense and more. And built with a stronger constitution so when you look back at it, I guess the degradation of these things, you'd look, you. I don't really know how they do the carbon dating nowadays, but I'm sure that if, like, if, you know, this metal object was denser back then, we couldn't correctly measure its date according to how much it's deteriorated because we really don't have a starting point on it. Yeah, that's kind of what he was saying.

[David Lee Corbo]

I, I, man, that's something we haven't talked about with him in a long time. And I wonder if he's made any ground on that. We should, we should discuss it with him. But I do remember that it was, it would impact things so that effectively today you would take a carbon sample, it would make something seem incredibly old, but that would be totally skewed. So I, I wonder what the date on it actually would be, if that's the case. But yeah, there's a lot of evidence that shows the people who were settled in the Americas. I saw somebody in the chat saying pre flood civilization, you know. Yeah. Were much more diverse than just the Native Americans that were alleged to be here when, you know, whoever Europeans arrived. The story that we get is just bullshit.

[Todd Lassner]

It's also, well, to go back to the Garden of the Gods thing we've had on Sean Griffin of Kingdom in Context recently. And he's been bringing about this idea of the vimanas, and not just that, but the idea of an entire floating city, the city of the Gods, which you'll find in all different mythologies. You'll even see it in the Aveng Dangerous movies most recently and other popular culture movies as well. It's like this is where, I don't know, entities like Ra, Satan, the Pantheon will go up into their castles in the sky, and they reside there. And people were pretty comfortable saying like, yeah, that's their, their home, so the garden. Would that imply that they were like their edifice was there in this area, but when they come down, like, this is my garden. Like, my garden's over there, but my house is on this hill, like here.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, I don't know, man. It's, it's just a weird thing that we get especially for, for America. But yeah, that, that whole thing, I know, it's, it's, it's in all that popular culture that he was showing us. There's like a really popular anime with the city in the sky. Kingdom Hearts does a city in the sky. Avengers did a city in the sky. And the way he was saying was the language surrounding Mount Olympus. If you look back at it historically through what we regard as mythology, but they don't regard it as mythology. Even modern day Greeks are like, that's not mythology, dog. And if you look at that, it's much more described as like some giant suspended city in this, in the clouds. So I don't know what to, to make of it. But yeah, to top's point, it seems that the, the Vedics, you know, ancient India, they had something that would be akin to a flying city.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Exactly. And here's another interesting connection that I never made until just right now when I was stationed in Crete. Greece, obviously that's where the Minotaur was. There's huge, huge cave. There's, there's just gigantic cave structures all over in, in that area of Greece, on that island. Now here's the interesting thing. Same thing happened to me there. If you go and you try and go into the caves in Crete, you will be run out of that pretty quick. People will show up. A lot of times they will have actually guards at cave entrances. And what they say is it's because it's for your own safety. It's this, it's that, that was in 1991 when I was there. But you know, there's plenty of people, plenty of the locals are like, there's nothing wrong with those caves. We played in them, you know, all the time. It was only in like the last, you know, five, four or five years that suddenly, you know, nobody's allowed in the caves anymore. And sometimes you could find a rogue entrance somewhere that wasn't being guarded or didn't have, didn't have any. So they used to put this like mesh. So what they would do is they take chains across the front of the entrance and these chains would hang, they would, they would actually bolt them in up above the cave entrance on the rocks and then have the chains come down. And they were basically meshed into like a net, right, of chains. So you couldn't get into most of the entrances, but some of the entrances would actually have their, their version of park service just sitting there waiting for you to try and go in. And it's like, that's interesting that you would spend this much money to have a public servant sit there, you know, with what they make, which is pretty decent money in Greece, just to sit there all day and just make sure nobody comes near the cave entrance. That's odd, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting because you would as a public servant probably not know what the hell you're doing. You're just told to sit there and guard it. I wonder when the you know, it's pretty clear now that we have a tremendous amount of deep underground military bases. And that's not a secret. Maybe there was once upon a time where that was. But you know even the story of Phil Schneider, who I've butchered on tinfoil hat, much to my dismay. I called him Whitley Striber and I'm a fool and a moron, but Phil Schneider, you know, he's just telling you a story you can you won't see.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Message brought to you by GoFundMe. Choose to believe it or not, but what does seem to be true is that he was contracted to build these deep underground military bases before he had his fingers blown off by some sort of alien and his guts strewn about and then, you know, killed after multiple attempts on his life. But it's pretty open and obvious now that deep underground military bases are a thing that's not a secret anymore. So a lot of people are speculating, are they doomsday bunkers? And there's a lot of, you know, evidence that suggests like, yeah, the elites are preparing for. But when did they start preparing? And, and I wonder if it would have been similar to the time where all of these areas started getting barred off to the public. Because it strikes me as pretty obvious that like, if you wanted to do that, make a deep underground military base to try to survive some sort of coming calamity, let's say like a polar shift or something like that, you would probably start with whatever natural structures already existed. So a cave system would be a pretty obvious place to, to, you know, start fleshing out your deep underground military base. I, I just can't help but. What, there's probably no way to get a number on that. When did that endeavor start of dumbs? But would it have been around the same time?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, you, you, I mean, if you look back, I mean, the Smithsonian was going and clearing out artifacts from caves all the way back to. Well, actually, you know, oddly enough, it seems like the wholesale use of the Smithsonian to clear out cave systems and artifacts was right before the Civil War. So I had another thought that what if, what if the Civil War was a distraction to keep us from digging any further into these artifacts? Because right about that time is when you, you know, you had people going to Egypt, you had a lot of people here finding giants, right? And evidence of giants all throughout North America, either accidentally or intentionally in some cases, because they think that a lot of the artifacts were taken by the Smithsonian, but just an equal or maybe even more were actually sold on the black market to, you know, royalty and robber barons of the era, right, for their personal collections. And if I am, you know, and obviously we're at that time, we're, we're moving westward and there's homesteading occurring. Well then you have interesting things that happen. Like, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Maxwell land grant. It's basically where Maxwell tricked the federal government into giving him a huge plot of land out here near Ciron, New Mexico. So he's got this gigantic plot of land and this ties into the Lincoln county wars. So next thing you start thinking is, okay, so Maxwell gets this huge plot of land and suddenly he's evacuating all the people, all the settlers that had paid, that were paying him and working for him to get their plot of land. Suddenly he decides he needs to get them all off of the land. And, and there's never been a good explanation as to why that happened. Which, by the way, my great grandmother and her family were run off their plot in near Cimarron. So I have. I have some familial relationship to this situation, which is why I started saying.

[David Lee Corbo]

Paid, like for their plot of land or actually run off entirely.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

No, they. Some of them had already had title, indeed, and were told they needed to leave. And it's strange because only just this last year have they allowed the lawsuits for the loss of the land to be brought against the federal government. It took almost a hundred years over by this point.

[David Lee Corbo]

It doesn't even matter. I mean, I'm sure it's. It's, you know, some sort of solace to, you know, the family members and everything, but whatever they were hoping to do with that land, they were like, let's just take it. We'll deal with the legal. Yeah, apologize later. We'll pay them. But whatever is there is. Is of some urgency.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, see, so the conflict didn't make any sense from that standpoint. And as we know, that area is just due east of Dulce, right. Which is where the Phil Schneider events all occurred. Okay, so New Mexico, obviously, as you know well know that it's a. It's a mess of different lore and, and different battles and strife and strange decisions that were made by the federal government, you know, and they decided to make a nuclear bomb here, which makes you wonder, were they gleaning some of their knowledge from ancient artifacts? You start to wonder that. And also too, one of the last texts on Epstein's phone when, when he was taken into custody had GPS coordinates to a borehole that is just outside of Dulce. I've been meaning to go out there, and I have not done it yet, but I know exactly where it is.

[Todd Lassner]

Don't do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, I mean, shout out to Jeremy Ryan Slate. L. Ron Hubbard. You know, he's out there in the. I'm just busted as well. I love. Jeremy L. Ron Hubbard is out there in the deserts of New Mexico with, With Jack Parsons and they're jerking each other off and, and, you know, doing all these kind of Babylonian workings from. From Aleister Crowley's works. And so whatever the hell's going on there, and I'm not saying Jeremy Ryan Clark had anything to do with that. That's. That's.

[Todd Lassner]

I reject that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I reject that premise. But. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's Jeremy Ryan's slate. I'm sorry. It's a strange area filled with a lot of Strangeness. You get the. The supposed UFO crash? Not just that.

[Todd Lassner]

I mean, the entire place seems. I've never been there, but from what I hear, it seems like a little bit of a. Like a meth den. Everyone's kind of downtrodden. It's a desert, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, yeah, yeah. New Mexico is. Is.

[Todd Lassner]

You know, it's a desert, but it's also a desert. Like, that's like, at altitude, which is odd. So it's in a high place.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Well, look, before we go any further on that, we have given poor people far too much. Let no one say that we are not generous and that we don't love our pores. But alas, all good things have to come to an end if you want to Continue watching this patreon.com/now/ephilim Death Squad. Otherwise, give it a week and you'll watch the entire episode when it releases. Censored, though, because YouTube will ruin our lives if we don't. Okay, so. So I'd like to pull it back a little bit, though, before we get too far into all of the fun lore of New Mexico. And I want to know what the heck happened? How did this. This saga end for you in Garden of the Gods?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Okay, so let me first explain to you that after this happened, both my wife and I were kind of in shock, which didn't. Didn't make sense. And things were really foggy for the rest of that day. And it was weird because normally I would have pushed back, at least, because, you know, why. Why are people in now? I can't say that they're a military. Okay, I can't. Now, they might have been contractors, which would make more sense. And from what I've heard from the community that I kind of circle in, which a lot of them are like, ex Navy SEALs, ex operators, ex. A lot of ex intelligence people that I rub shoulders with on and off, especially out here. It's almost unavoidable. A lot of them that I spoke to said that none of those dumbs, as we would like to call them, are administered by the military at all. They're all done by contractors. And the reason is compartmentalization. They don't want some doofus like Reality Winner or Edwards. Well, not Edward Snowden was a contractor. He was in the military and then went to the NSA or whatever, or Bradley Manning, you know, going on some message board and saying, hey, there's an underground do to do over here. You know, everybody, let's.

[Todd Lassner]

Right, we don't Dead name on the Show. So, please.

[David Lee Corbo]

What is it?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

That is a. That is a lady. A beautiful lady. Isn't it also true that, you know, once you're dealing with. With companies that you're contracting to, they're a lot more. How do I put this? Lenient, not flexible. I mean, these are all things that are true, but they're also more adept than government workers.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

True.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

They get paid more, so they have more incentive, generally speaking. And they can be disappeared. And it doesn't. You know, again, it doesn't hit the roster. Right. Like, if a soldier disappears. Ah, crap. We got it. We have mandatory investigations. We need to follow. We need to follow these rules and go down the line. But if. But you can always disavow some, you know. Yeah, you can just go. If you're a. You know, I don't know what happened to him. Maybe he got. Maybe he overdosed and didn't have enough Narcan or, you know, because let's be honest. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't want to say this, but I'll go ahead and say it and not make friends. A lot of the guys on the side, on the operator side, you know, they do end up with a lot of injuries that. In which they'll succumb to the use of fentanyl. Why? Because to get an oxy at the va, you're going to be there all damn day and you probably won't get it. Okay, but you can go. I can go a block to this dude laying on the street, and I guarantee you he'll have a couple of Fentis for me, you know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

And there'll be a dollar, you know, rather than 50 bucks if I go get them at the pharmacy. So, you know. Yeah, it's. It. It's supply and demand. It's a simple market forces, so a lot of them are on that stuff. So it's very easy for a contractor, if a guy gets out of line to go, oh, look, he overdosed. Oh, look, you know, he did a Bradley Knoll, you know, from Sublime. If you guys. That's the reference. I know I'm old, okay? Come on.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know Bradley. I know Bradley.

[Todd Lassner]

Sublime rocks, dude. Yeah, we're old, too, I guess.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Okay.

[Todd Lassner]

We're going to be pushing 40.

[David Lee Corbo]

You before me, though, is. Wow. They also do say, like, a lot of the times. I'm just saying it's a true fact.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Okay, he's just sticking you over there.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm just saying if it hurts.

[Todd Lassner]

No, we've been fighting before.

[David Lee Corbo]

You need to do some.

[Todd Lassner]

He came into the studio very angry.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, you come into the studio every angry. You're angry every day. Everybody sees your Twitter feed. You're not fooling anybody.

[Todd Lassner]

He just hasn't had his coffee today.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do we need another attention? Everything is fine. All right.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I'm not touching.

[Todd Lassner]

He's touching. I was just correcting it.

[David Lee Corbo]

I didn't like the angle. Angle of my gun. But, but you know, when it comes to these, these representatives from, from private companies that are contracted, it's, you know, every once in a while you just get one of these where it goes. The owner of insert private company has gone crazy. They've gone crazy. They've lost their mind. They were in the streets. They were doing X, Y and Z. This dude who's a millionaire or a billionaire in this privately owned company is in his underwear in the streets acting a fool. You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, they just go. Every once in a while they go crazy and you go, whoopsie. Don't know what that was about. Anyway, moving on. And yeah, there's not all this litigation that has to be gone through because of the, the, the title of military personnel.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, exactly that. And, and you know, they did it. The Vanne of our bush so threw him in a mental institution. And they tried to do it to me, which is why I have 100 VA disability. So, you know, because I was pointing out things that I was noticing.

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

Or in Minecraft. I saw this in Minecraft.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the new one, right? Yeah, yeah, I did this. I'm gonna kill you in Minecraft or, you know, I'm gonna kill you. I'm coming to your house where you live. So. So, yeah, I mean, there's. There's. There's a lot of. It's a lot easier, I would imagine, to clean up that mess than it is to clean up one that takes place within the military. But even within the military, they just kind of go like. Like, training exercise. Training exercise. So they'll get it done however they can, but I'm sure one involves a lot more paperwork than the other.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I've got a broken neck from training exercise, but I'm not even going to get into that. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

He was doing a lot of noticing during the training exercise.

[Todd Lassner]

And they put my cousin into, like, a solitary confinement just for. I mean, you know, he's a disagreeable guy, but not to the. Oh, yeah. Drove him crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

In your family?

[Todd Lassner]

Yep, in my family.

[David Lee Corbo]

A disagreeable guy.

[Todd Lassner]

Well, I mean, he's kind of in my family, but this guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

This.

[Todd Lassner]

This guy. But yeah, no, they put him in. In solitary. Kind of drove him crazy. And now he's on, you know, all kinds of Medicaid. Actually, I don't know if you're like, an old Tower gang fan. We had a segment called Yay or Cray. You remember that?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I remember Kiker Reich. I don't remember.

[Todd Lassner]

Well, so yay or cray was at the time when Kanye was going crazy and so was my cousin. So we would read my cousin's Facebook posts and Kanye's tweets, and we say which is which? That couldn't really tell. Yeah, yeah, but that's how. That's how he. He got there.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a great game.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

I mean, they just didn't care, though. They put him away for, like, months and nobody knew where was that? It was crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Just get lost in that system.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

That's called kettling. In the military intelligence vernacular. That's called kettling. Okay? So they'll toss somebody in jail on some complete bullshit. The better. The more bullshittier the better, because you want the person to experience that break where they question Themselves. So it could be for anything. They'll literally make stuff up and just snatch somebody up with the mps and off to the mental institution. And that is a time honored tradition. And it's funny too, because most of the people that you see going crazy usually will have like top secret clearances, like the highest clearances you can get. And you're like, wait, how is this person going crazy? When you did all this background check, why wouldn't you have come across that at some point or another? Or did you make him crazy? That's probably more likely what you did. You kettled him, you know, and they'll. And they'll start doing that. They'll section you off, they'll put you on extra duty all the time. It'll. It'll begin slowly, right? And they'll start ramping up the pressure. So that's why whenever they say anyone in the military went crazy, I always go, did he really go crazy or did you. Did you put him on the bus and send him there? You know what I mean?

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah, I guess that's the point, right? So definitely, he's definitely crazy. But did he go there or did you send him there? And I, to be honest now thinking about like the sequence of events, even the personal events in his life were really extreme and kind of like not according to like not. Not what he would do if known from a kid. But huh, maybe I need to rethink that. That's.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

We can do another. We could do another show on that. I can go all day long on that one because I've. At the language institute. It is. As a matter of fact, it is a running joke. They call it Hotel California. Back in the 80s, they used to call the languages to Hotel California because so many people would check in, but they could never leave because they would throw them in a mental institution. I didn't know the reference before I got there. Everyone said Hotel California. I thought, oh, so it's a cool place. And then I found out the reference and I was like, oh, no one told me that's what it was about. Oh, what did I get myself into? Because that would happen. They would just lose. And you know, Defense language institute, they lose a lot of people in the mental health institute there. They. They would. No one would find them or see them. They would just end up dead on some street in Seattle or whatever. So anyways, moving back to the doms. Yeah, it was that. It's that bad. It was a. It was a running its own meme. You know, back in the day so go figure. So back to the. The doms are what we think are doms. It's hard to know which are really doms and which ones where they're just guarding artifacts of some sort. And I think it's the mixture of the two, and I think that might be what's going on at Garden of the Gods, is that they're just. They're just security forces that are put there. But here's the thing. My. My wife's last name actually means spirit in Korean, and her and I are. I mean, we have a lot of synchronicities, and I swear to God, she's psychic. Like, she probably even knows I'm on this show right now, even though I don't tell her. I don't have to tell her. That's, like, literally how she is.

[David Lee Corbo]

She's Nancy. What's the. What's the Korean word for spirit? Nancy.

[Todd Lassner]

She doesn't speak Korean.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, okay. I thought maybe she. She would know off the top of her head. Don't Google it. I just thought because you're. She's. She's of the. How do we want to put this?

[Todd Lassner]

Slanty variety?

[David Lee Corbo]

Variety. I thought each other.

[Darren Marler]

Okay.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

There's a bazillion.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think they do all know each other. Well, we were talking to Trey Hudson, right. Of the Meadow project.

[Todd Lassner]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm old.

[Todd Lassner]

I don't remember.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't remember either. We're getting up there. You're 39, right?

[Todd Lassner]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

Trey Hudson is, you know, he's. He's got this military background, and then he's also got this thing that happens later on in his retirement where all of a sudden he finds himself at the center of a strange happening in. In. In a place that's only described as the meadow, where you. You might imagine it like a skinwalker ranch, Right. A high strangeness area. My point is to say, like, whatever his military intelligence background was, you could see the overlap in what he then is interested in his retirement. I think these things attract people. If you have that proclivity, if you have that bent towards the supernatural, towards the fantastic, you know, it's the same way if you get, like, a non believer, a very strict kind of high skeptic, atheist character, and you put him in an area of high strangeness, he'll go, nope, nothing's happening here. But then there's another type of person that's, like, picking up on all of the. All of the strangeness. So. So I just think that there's. It's not a It's not a coincidence. You know, you talking about the spiritual aspect to you and your wife and then, you know, what ends up happening to you and then just all of the, all of the, the. The things that you end up fascinated with for the rest of your life.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, exactly. And you know, I was always fascinated with this stuff as, As a kid. Kid, you know, just because I played Dungeons and Dragons and stuff. I know I shouldn't admit that I should.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's. My son wants to play Duns and Dungeons and Dragons. The only reason that I'm against it is because I think it's a tremendous amount of reading involved. Well, for me, because in order to teach him, I have to learn it myself. And I go, I simply can't be. By the loads and downloads.

[Todd Lassner]

You saw yesterday with the kids, they like, they. He was over with his wife. His wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife.

[Todd Lassner]

My kids bring down. Yeah, they bring down this thing. They're like, let's do this. I'm like, absolutely not. There's a lot of reading. There's like. It's a whole thing. Do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. That's why with my son, I'm like, you want to punch and kick? You want to do karate? We could do that. But he's like, you want to read this? They are gonna know, dude. Definitely don't want to do that.

[Todd Lassner]

Too old.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can't. Actually can't read. So, yeah, I think that there is a correlation. Like my, my schizophrenic interests as a. As a very young man here in. In. In current day, I would not be into them if it wasn't for all of the strangeness of. Of, you know, my. My life, my childhood and all the weird spiritual kind of happening. So, you know, I think there's these, these topics kind of call to us. For better or for worse.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Absolutely, Absolutely. And so with the getting back to the dumbs and potentially dumbs, we. Again, we. We don't want to make statements that, that we don't 100 know about. We. All I know is that there was people who looked like they were in military gear. So the, the way it happened was interesting. So old.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's not. That's not that. I think that's not my wife. Is it.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Is this a pedophilia type thing or what's.

[Todd Lassner]

She goes. She goes, my husband is so old.

[David Lee Corbo]

Old and embarrassing. That is not my wife. I know that because much like me, she doesn't like to read. And she goes, I don't like when you go behind the paywall. I go, hey, sign into our Patreon.

[Todd Lassner]

She won't do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

She goes, no, simply not gonna do that. So I know that.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

What kind of supporting is that?

[David Lee Corbo]

She. About a half an hour's worth of support. That's what I get.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Wow. But then she doesn't know all the crazy we talk about on the. Behind. Behind.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, trust me.

[Darren Marler]

Paywall door.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, she is subjected to it constantly. See, I don't. Constantly.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I don't let those things mix. I don't. I mean, my. My wife. I separate that stuff from her because I don't want to drive her as crazy as I am. That would be terrible.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, my wife is immune to it. She has gotten so good at the. Like. Like, she does it like. Like I'm a child. She goes, wow, she does it to me, too. It's.

[Todd Lassner]

It's actually quite demeaning. I go.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Condescends to. To other people now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. She's, like, brutal. Oh, my God.

[Todd Lassner]

Wow, that's great top.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

And then she.

[David Lee Corbo]

TikTok, sometimes I look at her and I go. I go, hey, tell me what I just said. She goes, can't. Simply can't do that. Can't tell you what you just said. 100%. She's great at it. She's a master at it. And then she'll show me later on. She'll be like, look what this person on TikTok is saying. I go, that's what I just said to you. That's actually what I just said to you. But that's not me. Isn't that something? So I'm sorry, go on.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

We'll switch back. And so we're. So we're walking. We're walking around. We're trying to find this place. You know, it takes maybe about two hours to where, you know, I'm. And what's. What's weird is that's the only day we decided not to take the dogs.

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

So we left the dogs in the cabin. You know, maybe it was a good thing because we all know how guys who are wearing all black and have guns are with dogs. Probably them again, you know, they would have been long gone. So that worked out pretty well. So she all of a sudden starts getting a headache. This is the part I don't tell anybody. Matter of fact, I don't even talk to her about this part of it because she gets a little weird. She started, I got a headache, you know, I want to go back. And I'm like, that's weird. And I started feeling kind of weird. And I'm like, you know, but I might just be tired or I'm dehydrated or whatever. You know, I've been walking for two freaking hours. And. And it's like 100 degrees out. That area is not, is, is not a temperate area. It's pretty hot out there and it's very humid. And this, if this was in September, right around this time of the year. So. But we had one of those Indian summers where it was still. All of a sudden it shot. Temperature shot up and humidity was really high. So we're sweating, sweating Jesus everywhere, you know. And she's like, I got kind of a headache. Okay, well, let's sit down. And I am sitting there with the binoculars, just looking around, looking around. I go, you know, that kind of, that kind of looks like what they were talking about, doesn't it? She's like, yeah, but there's a big rock in Front of it. I don't, I don't think that's it. I go, well, let's go over there. Because one thing they did tell us is that I was told by some of the locals that you will notice a change, like look for things like headaches or if you suddenly feel really fatigued or whatever, that means you're probably close. And then the other thing I thought is, well, I think there's uranium deposits over there and radium deposits. So maybe, maybe that's what that is. You know, it's, it's hard to. It's hard to know. But oftentimes, oddly enough, where you find these temples is where you find gold and where you find gold is where you find uranium. And radio.

[David Lee Corbo]

Really? That's interesting.

[Todd Lassner]

Why is that?

[David Lee Corbo]

That?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

It's just the way the geological format. Well, I think a lot of it has to do with the density. Remember we were talking about the density and the speed of light. Well, usually you're going to find. So from gold to uranium, it's very similar density, right? And I think you're only off by like maybe a handful of neutrons and electrons, etc, so they'll tend to co locate. So where you find these heavier elements like this, they'll be, they'll be together or nearby, near each other, right? So I was like, well, okay, let's, let's look around. And I said, look, before we leave, let's just walk over there. And it was probably another mile actually. And it, I mean, the entrance is big. It's maybe 60 or 70ft tall altogether. So I said, let's just go see. She doesn't want to go see. She's probably still mad at me to this day for me making her go over there, by the way, that's a whole nother great thing about being married. So we walk out, I drag her out there and she's like, come on, no, this is. I don't want to be here. I got really. And her headache's getting worse and worse to the point where I'm like, okay, let's stop again. So we stop again and I'm like, gosh, am I gonna go back? I may have to go. I may have to go back, come back here by myself or something. I don't, I don't know what to do, you know? And so she's getting this really bad migraine and I'm thinking maybe I'll just have to carry her if she'll let me. She's got a thing about people picking her up for whatever reason. But she doesn't weigh anything, so I don't know. So I was just like, I'll carry you the rest of the way if I have to. It's like we're only not even a half mile away now. No, no, we'll make it. So we walk the extra half mile and we get there and we're like walking around and I'm trying to look in. I'm like, hey, they look like there's crevices around this, what looks like an obviously placed huge rock. And it's a, it's a single rock, right? It's one whole ride. It's not a pile of rocks. It's like one big rock just kind of almost like leaned up against the entrance. So I get to looking and I start, I go all around and I'm like climbing up. Because you gotta climb up a pretty good ways to get around it. Because I'm trying to go around the edge and see if there's any crevice or any way that I can see what might be in there. If there may be a, a rogue entrance somewhere, like a borehole or something that even if I could just throw something down there or whatever, maybe we can come back and repel through it or something. You know, I'm thinking crazy stuff because I'm super excited that I even found this. It just looks cool. Like some you did you see. So if we look again at some of those formations, you see a lot of the rocks are flat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Did you notice that on the top of them? Or just like the. Just big flat surfaces.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

They have flat surfaces on them. Well, imagine one of those rocks just leaned up against something. That's what this looks like. But it's like the giant, the biggest table like rock that's literally like.

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

12Ft thick, leaned up against this.

[David Lee Corbo]

What looks like just looking at it again, it's just such a bizarre looking place.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, see, look at that. See, see those rocks like that? Well, that one in the. Yeah. See how they're flat? There's one of those just leaning in front of this entrance.

[Todd Lassner]

Kind of reminds you of that. Like the stone that is in front of Jesus's tomb.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're all like gigantic skipping stones.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

One of these looks like a sphinx. Did you see the one that looks like. There's a bunch of them that look like a sphinx.

[Todd Lassner]

Oh, look at that one right there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's weird.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, I know.

[Todd Lassner]

Missing its nose again. They all seem to be missing their nose, huh?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah. Who does that? Who does. Who does that? What kind of people do that?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. Yeah. And then they have these entire staircases just carved right out of the mountain like that.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And this is all Illinois. Like you, you know, it's just like things like this, you wouldn't expect to. We've got a really weird thing in America where they've kind of convinced you that all of. All of the things have been stuff is new. Well, it's like, yeah, all this stuff is new. Everything that's been discovered, you know, or there is to discover has been discovered. And. Yeah. I don't know. Also, by the way, this is Shawnee National Forest. Right. Which is significant. It's worth mentioning because if you take into account all of the strangeness, was the national forest and I've been talking about it recently, where they're flying the flag upside down in some of the national forests. And that is conventionally explained as unsafe working conditions. And they are understaffed, which is like.

[Todd Lassner]

Is it really that much of a panic?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Because, because flying the flag upside down is a, is a, is a sign of distress. Right. And imminent danger, sort of a situation, like they need help immediately. And it's my understanding that these workers have been prosecuted to whatever degree for doing that. But it's just a strange, a strange thing that's happening. And then you look into like kind of David Polity's missing 41 1, and almost unanimously, this is taking place in national forests, national parks. And the same thing with the cryptid sightings. Really, really dense amount of cryptid sightings when it comes to national forests. So people have their speculations as to what the big conspiracy is. What, what the big to do is with, with national forests. Are there portals out there? Are they, are they working? Because whenever you have these cryptid sightings and things like that, it takes place primarily two locations. National parks, national forests, or military bases. And so given your story and the presence of many seemingly military personnel in a national forest, you go, well, there's, there's some of the boxes getting checked.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Right, right. So we're poking around this entrance, trying to figure out a way in. And I'm trying to kind of catalog where we are and make a map while I'm there and catalog these openings that I'm seeing. And I'm feeling cold air come up from them. I mean, a lot of cold air. I mean, it is a surprising amount. Almost like they were running. What would happen if you were running systems in a cave system? Because, you know, underground systems need to have the air pumped in from above. Right. To increase the air pressure underneath. Because sometimes you'll get stagnation. You'll get different types of natural occurring fumes. Everything from radon gas, again, back to the uranium and, or gold mining situation. Right, right. You'll get, you'll get things like radon gas in there. You'll get buildups of carbon dioxide, like basically pools of carbon dioxide in there. So you're running these evacuators that are pumping air from the surface down into the substructure. And then you'll have, at any kind of opening, you'll have air blowing out of it. Like that happens here at Sandia. So Sandia National Labs has some underground facilities. And if you look on Google Maps, you'll. You can see where they have the air handlers that are pumping the fresh air down into the underground substructure. So. So then I get to thinking, hey, I wonder if this is pumping air, this air. This is because air is being pumped down into there intentionally. So I'm poking around through there, and right when I get to this one area, I see this one area that I'm like, oh, that might be big enough to drop in through, because I'm up. I'm up on top the side. I couldn't really find anything because a lot of the sediment had moved off to the side from just normal action rain in that. It had kind of piled up right around. Around that. The edge of where the rock and the mouth meet. There's rocks piling up from. Just from natural erosion. So I was like, oh, it looks like there's something there. And I go to walk over there, and it's kind of hard to get to because there's like another rock and there's some rough terrain to get over there. And my wife is like, let's go. You know, I'm tired of being here. This is. My headache's getting really bad. And it's funny, too, because right when I identified that, I literally looked at it, and she says, let's go. And I was like, oh, really? I'm like, that's almost like. To me, knowing her as long as I have at that point, I was like, that's almost like an indicator that I'm onto something.

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Because if she says no or if she reacts, you know, in some kind of bombastic way, typically it means that something is about to happen. Okay. So she's kind of like my canary in a coal mine spiritually when it comes to that sort of thing. So I go, okay, that's probably it. But I was like, okay, I'm not going to go over there. So we get. I get down from there because she didn't want to come up any further with me, so she went back down. So I come back down the way I came and get back down, and we're literally getting all our stuff ready, putting our backpacks on, and we turn around and those guys are there. And it's weird because I did not. So you can hear people walk because there's, you know, there's some leaves that are starting to fall, and there's some foliage and brush. Right. That you would have to walk through. And you could hear us walk. We could hear ourselves walk to it. And we can hear the wind, a little bit of wind rustling and that. But these guys are right on us. Like we literally are facing. We're facing the entrance, getting our stuff on, right? Because we laid it up against the entrance. We turn around and they're there already. And I get accused of that too, right? They. People. You know, people accuse me of floating, not walking, because I generally have a pretty easy step, even though I'm like 220. So, you know, and I startle people. But these people, there's no way with the amount of gear that they had on that they could have got there without us hearing some of the gear rattle. I mean, they had backpacks, the whole thing, without hearing something. You know, they had combat boots on the whole thing. They were not wearing gear that was quiet, okay? And I'm going, huh? And they're like, you cannot be here. Do you understand me? And they seemed. The urgency in the guy's voice was not like, you need to leave, you know, or that, you know, we're mad that. That you're here. It's like you're in danger, and so are we, so let's get out of here. It was that kind of thing. Like somebody. Almost like when you're telling. When you're pulling somebody away from a fire or something, right? It was more of that tone than it was like you did something wrong. It was, we have to get you out of here now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, they were trading, too, because you were hiked out there a bit, right? I mean, like, yeah, no, I know you said your wife had a headache. And so it's not like you're going, like, tremendously far, but you're not, like, easily accessible from the road. Like, you gotta hoof it a bit to get to where you are, at.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Least from what I remember. It was at least about. From the time it took us to walk at that pace, it was probably about six or seven miles out from the visitors area from the parking lot out there now.

[David Lee Corbo]

They were. They were probably already pissed.

[Todd Lassner]

It's actually relatively close, though, to people. It's just not far.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

But it's dense. It was getting dense out there. So, like, we're in the woods. We're not on a regular trail. We're taking deer trails. We're not on the trails that they designated.

[David Lee Corbo]

Something that M. Lauren brought up in the chat earlier, too. She said that there is a lot of serial killers when it comes to national forest. Serial killers are a really weird thing because I. I get more and more comfortable with the idea that they're not real and that they are this sort of blanket excuse that they can use for weird mutilations. Weird mutilations, people going missing in droves. If you could just attribute all these missing people and all these murders to just one person, well, then that makes cleanup pretty easy, because, number one, you just go, oh, it was the. You know, the. The Back Door Killer. I don't know why.

[Todd Lassner]

Smiley face.

[David Lee Corbo]

The smiley face killer. And then once you're done with your work, if you can just pin it all on one dude, you know, and then everything is wrapped up and done, you know, Or. Or you don't even pin it on him. You just go, who knows? He's still at large. He's still. Who was the Zodiac Killer? We don't know who we. You know what I mean? Like, that kind of a deal. It just seems like a really convenient and fantastic scapegoat.

[Todd Lassner]

So where do you think these guys came from? You don't think that they walk. Really walked up on you? You said that they're wearing, like, all black fatigues, combat boots, like hiking gear. So they're in these. They're in these mountains. So they're in this forest doing something, you think?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

And they have weapons. They. They had. They had ars. And they were decked out. I mean, helmets and everything. I was like, there's no way. I didn't hear you. There's just no way. And it's. It's funny, too, because, I mean. And that's the thing that startled me was like, how did they get there without us hearing them? And, like, it's. It was very disconcerting, the fact that anyone was able to get the jump on us, because I thought. And then, you know, the serial killer vibe did come up. I thought, God, how did we miss this? Anybody could have walked up on us like this. This was frightening. Somebody could have followed us out there, and we could have been disappeared.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, this is a good question. Jingle Jingleheimer Schmidt says black labs. Do you think they have secret entrances they popped out of. Or are they ethereal? I would say, you know, secret entrances, more likely. What do you think, Rob?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, that's. That's where I'm at with it. I think it's probably secret exits, entrances. That's not too uncommon. So I don't know if I want to give his name, but there is. There is a very strange fellow in Arizona who had invented a unit that it was a robot. And what this robot does is it actually welds these giant plastic sewage pipes. Big, giant plastic drainage pipes that are, like, up to like, 30, 40ft, 50ft in diameter, because you can't. You can't actually, like, move a pipe like that. What they do is they bring it in sections and then they have this, like, crawler robot that then heats the sections together. And he has. He has told me he's been all around the country because he patented that particular device. Okay. He owned the company and then sold it off later. And now he's just an eccentric weirdo out in the desert who shoots stuff all day, which is fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nice.

[Todd Lassner]

I mean, retirement goals.

[David Lee Corbo]

That sounds like a nice life.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Right? Right. I'm working towards it. I'm not there yet. So anyways, and he had said that he had done work back in the 80s when he first first patented this device, that he had done a demonstration out in southern Illinois. And I. And he did. He said this unsolicited. We were just talking. He was talking. And in fact, he was the guy who introduced me to Phil Schneider, you know, and he was talking about it because he. He listened to Art Bell. And then he got me into Art Bell again because I had been into it for a little while in like, the late 90s, like, 98, 99, actually, after this incident occurred and got talking to him about it. And he had been all around the world putting these huge drain pipes in. And he showed me the documentation that he had for just one site at one point. And it was literally like 4 inches thick. He's like, I had to sign every page here before I could go on the site and demonstrate this robot.

[David Lee Corbo]

Did he talk about what. What. What the nature of the things he was signing were?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

It was just all disclosures, multiple companies. This was another interesting thing. So when he would be in these underground facilities, it. This paperwork wasn't for one company. So one site. He would have to sign 15, 20 documents for just one company. And there would be 10 companies involved in the operation. Everything from Halliburton to General Dynamics to SAIC to Northrop Grumman to EG and G, which I don't know if they're even around anymore, EG and G, Arrow, Aerojet, you know, all the. And I'm going through it just looking at these disclosure agreements, just going, what the hell? You know? And the number of players that are involved in these at any given time from a corporate level is just this giant. It's this giant web of different defense contractors, you know, who are all trying to. And they're all in a big way, trying to CYA right in some method. Now why is that so important? It's just a damn hole in the ground. Or is it? Right? So when you look at all the paperwork that he had, you start asking, you start asking questions like, is this really, why is this necessary? Okay, I get that you guys say it's necessary, but why, why is all this secrecy and all these disclosures necessary? And what is under there that you might see?

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

Them to have so much sign disclosure agreements.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's not a an easy task writing up all that, especially back in the day. You know AI will draft it for you rather quickly now, but to pay a lawyer to draft up all Those, you know, NDAs and everything, a huge, huge pain in the ass. Shout out to Z man in the chat. It's a joke, but you know, it's, it's relevant. He goes, did any of the agreements keep him from using the name Jesus. And there is this famous video I think Z Man is referencing where an individual who delivers to. Well, that's, that's one of them. But. But this guy that delivers to deep underground military bases just like regular supplies.

[Todd Lassner]

Is that Raven Rock or something like that?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not sure, to be honest. I know he was like, not. Whatever he. His load was. I think he was even privy to his load. And it was like just run of the mill crap.

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah, like that. They still need soda, the giants in the underground labs.

[David Lee Corbo]

But they were, they told him that he couldn't. Couldn't say Jesus. That was one of the things that he had to agree to down there. And then there's other things that he thought he saw. He thought he saw a giant. You know, he saw a man that was impossibly tall. It didn't make sense to him that he saw this, this character walking down a corridor. But he did say this is just, you know, just a truck driver. He's like, yeah, I don't know. They said I couldn't say Jesus in, in this place, which I thought was strange, but whatever you want.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, it's interesting that you bring that up. Have you guys looked into the SCP Chronicles?

[David Lee Corbo]

No.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

So SCP is basically. It's kind of like a copy pasta or, or creepy pasta type thing, right. Where these people write up these stories. And these stories are about different entities encrypted that have been found. Now there are cryptids in there that you can. You can't pray around. That's actually not a. Not an uncommon thread.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, what is this scv? I see. Z Man knows what it is and I trust his judgment very much. He says, SCP baby, let's go. So we've touched on something interesting. I've never, I've never heard of it. So this is a type of creepy pasta. And what are they giving you, lore for each of these cryptids?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And. And some of them you're. You can't pray around. This is. Do you think that means you can't do it or you. If you wanted to stick around, you can't do it?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, you can. Some of these entities get triggered or they, their bonds are released and they are let go because of you praying or you saying Jesus or they lose their. Or, you know, starts or it. Or it, you know, some, some woman across on the other side of the world gives birth to the Antichrist every time you say Jesus or something like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

They have a lot of that type of lore, but it's Done so well. And it makes you wonder if that is in our collective consciousness and SCP is just the outlet that we already know about these entities. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Well, that's. That idea of, you know, this idea amuse. Right. You're channeling something. You don't realize it. Your idea is inspired one way or another. And I do think it's funny. Imagine the labor that it takes to summon some sort of demon into this realm. And you go, okay, we got him here. Let's study him. Let's harness his, you know, energy.

[Todd Lassner]

Hanging out. He's cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then all of a sudden, somebody's like, jesus. And he's like, oh, he just disappears. And you're like, dude, that took me.

[Todd Lassner]

That was millions of dollars of research.

[David Lee Corbo]

I had to jerk off L. Ron Hubbard in the dead deserts of New Mexico to get that to happen. And you just made this thing go away.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

The archive is right up the street. The Elrond. The Elron Hubbard underground archive is not too far from here, man. Maybe.

[David Lee Corbo]

What are you talking about? There's an L. Ron Hubbard underground archive?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yes.

[Todd Lassner]

Oh, there is. So scps. There are. It looks like there's, like, thousands of them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, really? And these are things that people are writing, and these are filed away under creepy pastas.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, basically, I mean, yeah. So what. What they.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I've seen that one. The stairwell right there. An un. What does it say? A unit staircase with something waiting just beyond your flashlight's reach. Oh, an unlit. Man, look at how great my eyes are that I could read that from here. You were saying before that my eyes are bad, and I said, 2020. You shut your mouth. And then I've just proved it to you. I have heard that the idea, too, of a lone staircase in the middle of, like, the wilderness. This, you know. Yeah. I don't know what to say.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I've actually seen that. I don't know, really left over from a building or what, but I've seen that. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

You're never supposed to climb it.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don't climb.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I really. But here. I was compelled to do that, though. It's just human nature, Right? There's a damn staircase here. What the hell is that? You want to go over there, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Like, why is that the only. But oftentimes. So that's not completely, you know, crazy, because it was. In this case, it was stone. So if you think, well, the place would have rotted out if it was like a. Like a cabin. And then what would be left? Right. Because a lot of times in those wet and marshy areas, they would put the houses on a still. Right. So if the structure was collapsed or reclaimed, well, you're just going to leave the stone staircase there. So, you know, it's not quite the, you know, weird woo woo factor that.

[David Lee Corbo]

You still like it though. What's interesting, you know, what do you think is go. What is in this? L. Ron Hubbard's archive. Why would you keep that? What do you think is in there?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I think it's all his writings and artifacts and things like that. I think there's also a seed vault in there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, that's interesting. Big Mormon vibes. I just asked because it's like Sea Org is operating out here in. In like Tampa or something like that. Really? Yeah, yeah. Or Clearwater. Huh? Clearwater is. Is where the headquarters of Scientology is. Clearwater. Beautiful place that. I understand. Why on earth would you keep that so separate? Why. Why across the country would you keep the. The workings of the lake, the late, great L. Ron Hubbard. It's. It's just interesting to me. It feels like you, you know, you'd imagine they would want that nearby so that Tom Cruise can touch it. Well, I mean, Tom Cruise has no problem touching. He's got jets, but you know what I mean, it just seems strange to keep it so separate.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, you do know Travolta used to. They say that he used to fly into the airstrip here over at Epstein Ranch. Right, Epstein Ranch. Epstein or I had to basically lengthen the Runway and right before all that stuff went down. Do you remember when a few years ago, when they had the FCC did the testing on the emergency broadcast system?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that was like a really big speculative moment, this idea that. Well, the idea within the QANON community was that Trump was making sure that it was working because he was going to need to use that shit to tell us that.

[Todd Lassner]

Wasn't that during Biden's administration, though?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

Well, I mean, that's like Trump part two.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly. Whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

It says, here's the interesting thing. And I think Monkey Works, that's the guy who follows all the planes and the activity.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

In an effort to divine what might be going on with global issues, when that, that day when that happened, There was about 10 or 15 different Learjets, G6s, G5s, all that. I was watching them take off from my boss's place, which isn't too far away from Epstein Ranch. It was literally non stop all day.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And that was kind of what the speculation was with the emergency alert system was that they were basically going to be using it to tell you, hey, these kids that were freeing them.

[Todd Lassner]

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, Hulk Hogan was supposed to help with that.

[David Lee Corbo]

And now he's dead. Well, thank God we still have Mel Gibson, who is alive and well, and I didn't even know he was that buff these days. So.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah. How about it? Hey, is he dead, though? See, here's the thing. I've got. I've got people telling me that. That work in Galisteo, and one guy used to work. I got this from a person who used to work for Epstein on the ranch, and he told me under no uncertain terms that he met Epstein. He works as a bartender over in Madrid. I think he. I think he owns the bar. But I wasn't. It wasn't clear, and I didn't want to push it. I just want to take his story and go, Because I don't want to come up missing yet.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right, right. Don't give me too much information. Just give me enough, because I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

And he said that he saw him. He's got a. A beard and a mustache, and he let himself get fat. You can't even tell who he is.

[David Lee Corbo]

But he said he's crushing.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

He knew right from the. Yeah, he basically. He basically went full Al Gore, and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that was the speculation, too. It was right after, you know, everybody got caught up in the whirlwind of Epstein didn't kill himself. So you have two schools of thought that. So they created a false binary. The binary was he either killed himself or somebody murdered him and made it look like a suicide. But there was a third option, which was, he's not even dead, dummy. And there were some images that came out from Epstein island of him linked up against a golf cart next to a maintenance worker looking up at the drone footage that. That seemingly caught him. That whole thing was. Was very strange. And then, of course, the autopsy footage. Not footage, but there's a picture that they take of, like, the body in the morgue, and. And there's a very distinctive ear pattern. You know, that's almost like a fingerprint. You know, we all. We all have. And this dude's ear did not match Epstein's ear. All the curves and nooks and crannies were different. Pretty discernibly different. So, you know, if. If you. If it came up today and said, epstein's not dead at all, I would say what a hilarious thing they did. They pop. They popularized a meme that made people imagine there was only two options here.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Com and there was a third the entire time. It was that he was never dead.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, they always like that dichotomy, right? They always want that. They like the duality, but the third path they do not like. When you start finding the third path, that's usually when the system very much turns against you and, and whatever you're doing, that's when things start to kind of go wrong. You just stop fitting in. You stop fitting into the square or the round hole. Right. You just, yeah, go right down the middle and they don't like that. This guy was very open about it though. That's the thing that blew me away. He was just like, just how nonchalant he was about it was almost more disturbing and it wasn't really disturbing, but was almost more, had more of an effect on Me than the actual information. And that's from two people. Now one other guy I know is a maintenance guy who works on the generators or. Well, the. Well, yeah, generally they have generators there and they also have the. They still have the pumping houses that have giant diesel water pumps that are running 24 7. The water. The. The whole water thing kind of intrigues me too, but I've never quite gotten to the bottom of that. No pun intended. But there is a thought. Remember you guys were talking about the aquifers?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

So you guys did some shows on the aquifers. So I'm wondering. So supposedly there is a northernmost cave complex underneath that area that goes from all the way from Carlsbad which they shut down. For what reasons? No one still understands completely. They shut down Carlsbad Caverns for what, two years, three years and said oh, it was glue. It was bad glue. On a, on a staircase.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I was going to.

[Todd Lassner]

When did they do that?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

2014, I think it was.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are you getting into this idea that they're using the aquifers for travel?

[Todd Lassner]

I'm getting into the idea that Clint was from Carlsbad. The fuck is going on in the caverns?

[David Lee Corbo]

He got here via the, the aquifers.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Oh really? He's got. He drive his Terramar submarine all the way to.

[Todd Lassner]

No, he drove his primary colored Lamborghini.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Which has. It's a. It's a land to watercraft they have. He's got a lot of money, a lot of business acumen. Got them that. So, so they have. There's this strange phenomenon where like a lot of elites have their submarining license.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is strange.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

It doesn't make sense. I could see a plane. But why exactly do you need a submarine license? Come on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Huh.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, I mean now you got questions, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

If you were using your submarine, your privately owned submersible to travel via the aquifers to Kit island and then back to your. Your estate.

[Todd Lassner]

This story also, it reminds me of like one of the first episodes we did maybe episode five or something like that we had on Justin from Cryptids of the Corn.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that episode.

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah. So he stumbled upon. He was doing like a water survey or like a, a creek survey or something like that. And he's like deep in the forest just. They come to a gate and the gates open. So they go through it and they're supposed to get to this creek and just study the biology in it. They get to it and they, they're approached by dudes similar. Not exactly dress how you said, but he. He describes like a lot of gear. They're. They're armed. And he said that they. I think he said that they look like they had like Ghostbusters gear, like backpack, like that kind of thing. And they told him the same thing, like, you got to get the hell out of here. There's.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't have a Ghostbusters backpack. You are ill equipped.

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah. They're like, how did you get out here? And he's like, well, I'm supposed to. He was supposed to be there. So I guess there's like miscommunication between government entities, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Government workers. Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah. So he's a. He's like a. Not exactly a government worker at this point. I think, you know, he's working for a private company, but contracted by the government to look at these things and do studies and yada, yada. And this is clearly. He said what he noticed was. And it's something that keeps on triggering. It was something that triggered the memory that you brought up up was a pipe that. I think he said it was like a foot in diameter. He was. He said it's larger than it should have been or larger than the things he's come across in the middle of this forest. So he's like, there's clearly like water being drained in or out from here. And he's like, I don't know what the hell that is. They just step over it. And he starts investigating the creek that he's supposed to look at. And then they're approached by these dudes who. He's like, I don't know what. It's just a black site, basically, that he. He ends up in and they escort him out, and that's the end of the story.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you know what we should do? We should do like. Like the Area 51 meme thing that they did, where it's like, we're gonna go to the garden of the gods. We'll bring some chisels, you know, like an air hammer, a bunch of air hammers. We'll have to bring some. Some compression tanks, but we'll bring air hammers and we will chisel away at the rock. And there's simply too many of us. They can't. Can't kill us all. They can't feed us all. They probably can kill us all.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, but it's. I mean, think about once again, you know what they hate? They hate paperwork, they hate labor. They're not going to want to clean up all those bodies. They're not going to want to have to run all that. So I think they're going to let us in.

[Todd Lassner]

Well, what do you. So they, they escort you guys out, right? How does this, how does this story end?

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[Rob (Black Labs)]

They just say, you need to follow us, let's go. And so we start walking with them because they got guns and I didn't know if they're a cartel or what. It was like I said, they didn't have any insignias or anything. So we just start walking and I'm.

[Todd Lassner]

Like, man, are they walking behind you?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

We know, ah, interact. Okay, that's, that's a good question. Interesting point. This was weird too. They are surrounding us with enough people. There's about 10 of them surrounding both of us with enough people that people that no one can see. They're literally shoulder to shoulder, and we're walking like, they're.

[Todd Lassner]

So they're in front of you. They're creating like a circle, Almost like.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

A circle around us. Yeah, that was. That's a good point, because I. I wasn't even gonna. I hadn't even thought of that yet. But, yeah, they were. They were around us, looking out, like, as if something or somebody was coming for us.

[David Lee Corbo]

That would have.

[Todd Lassner]

That would have freaked me out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

These dudes. Yeah. Like, because the formation would be. If I'm escorting you out, you're in front. I got my gun. Like, we're walking like a hostage situation.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

We're being protected.

[Todd Lassner]

That's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, I. I. To think that that place popped up on the radar just because of. Well, it's not just. I don't want to reduce it, but because of this phenomenon that's taking place in southern Indiana. This situation just gets stranger and stranger. You know, there's something going on, and everybody goes. The Appalachias are the oldest mountain range in North America. They're like haunted mountains. There's all this spooky crap that comes out about them all the time. And there is this cave system that runs through there, and all these visions and dreams of these entities take place underground. Like, every. This. This little story, whatever this is, whatever's going on here, checks all the boxes. National forests, cryptid sightings, military presence, you know, dreams of entities like. Like deep underground military bases and. And truthfully, just given the density of, you know, and the size of the Appalachian mountains, you'd never be able to figure out what the. I mean, you tell stories top where you're like, you know, I'm in New York City working on the subways. One tunnel leads to another, and all of a sudden, you're at a subway station you've never seen that's not on any map that hasn't been used, is out of commission for, you know, however long. And you get these other stories of, like, I found a deep underground city, Some sort of abandoned city underground, like, whatever is.

[Todd Lassner]

You know what? I can probably get a track walker on here to tell these stories. Like, I know these guys. And the way that they learn it, there's not really there. I mean, there are maps, but they learn the schematics of the underground from another track walker. Like, that's a position that you get. And then you. You follow a guy, you help flag for him, and that's how you learn. And they kind of pass it on and the weird thing about track walking too is like, you can pick the position. So the way it goes is like every. Whenever there's a pick, everyone shuffles their jobs. The track walkers generally always get that job. They stay in the job even though they can be picked out by seniority. Nobody really wants it. That's something that, like, you get and you stay with. And these guys, that's what they do. So, yeah, it's. It's a weird knowledge that, that you wouldn't be able to. You wouldn't be able to understand where you're going unless you just do this constantly.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it just seems like there would be obvious reasons to map that out. But they're not doing that.

[Todd Lassner]

I don't know. I don't. Yeah, I don't know.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

It's all hand. It's all handed down knowledge. None of it is recorded officially correct.

[Todd Lassner]

I think maybe, listen, maybe they do have an official map, but I haven't seen an official map of like. And I. But I've been in these places where I'm like, we're off the map, Dog Dog. And they'll tell you, like, yeah, we're somewhere else right now.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a good question. Hicktown. Honey says, when you got out, did you ask any questions to these escorts?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no given the severity of it. Did you. Did you ask him anything?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

No, I was, I'm ex military. I'm. There's. You're almost inviting trouble at that point. When you're in a situation like that. If somebody is getting you out of somewhere, you just shut the hell up and you move.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's about the best thing that they. They want you to just shut the hell up and move. And that's about your best chance of not having this go real south mouth.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

And he told us not to talk. He did tell us not to talk. That was another thing. We were ordered, like, don't say anything just because.

[Todd Lassner]

Don't say Jesus.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, especially not the name of Jesus.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

He didn't say that. But now that you guys bring up that Jesus thing, now I'm going. Was that what they were really worried about is that my. Somebody may slip with something that's spiritual or something and that triggers, you know, some kind of SCP event or something like that, you know, I, I don't know. But he said, do not talk. Do not make a sound, go that direction. And I was like, strange. Yeah. Why is being quiet so important to them? Here was the other thing. Why were they so quiet because even when I was walking right next to him, for some reason, they just seemed abnormally quiet.

[David Lee Corbo]

It could be. I mean, you're in the desert.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

No, no, this is. This is that garden.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, no, that's right. No, you're not in the desert. Yeah. You're in the garden of the gods. Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I don't know, man. It's lush, you know, and you would think you'd hear them like scuffling their feet or something. And I don't even remember hearing that. It was almost like, it's gonna sound weird. I have worked on projects like this, though, like sound cone type projects for dampening. One of them was for Honeywell, for a jet engine. A jet engine that can go full afterburn and have almost no sound. Hopefully I don't come up missing for saying that. Whatever. I'm sure it's kind of common knowledge now because people have seen that. People have seen the jets flying that have no sound. Have you, have you seen any footage of that?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I've not seen that.

[Todd Lassner]

I've heard of them. Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah.

[Todd Lassner]

Well, I haven't heard them because they have no sound, but I've heard of.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Or very low sound. They're very low sound. It's dampened. They have feedback piezoelectrics that are involved in the. In the actual jet engine itself to basically do cancel real time cancellation of harmonics. Because a lot of what you hear in a jet is harmonics. Right. So anyway.

[Todd Lassner]

Interesting.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

So the LRADs. Have you heard of the LRADs?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. These are basically sound weapon technology. Right.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Okay. LRADs can also be used to cancel sounds. So you could try to talk to somebody right next to you and they won't be able to hear anything you say. And you. They. And they also. You also can't hear them.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. Yeah. I have heard technology where it's like you can create. I think you use the terminology cone of silence, like, like around your body, as you move, you can. You can create like this sound dampening effect, which is, you know, a lot of people, you know, they're describing what they see in national forest. And sometimes it's like. I don't know if it was a cryptid, but it was like a cloaked person. It seemed like it was maybe military, but. And it. It escorted me out of the forest, but it never made contact. But I got the distinct feeling that I should leave. Couldn't he hear it? Could barely see it. I was aware that it was there, but it was like Mostly cloaked. You could see kind of like the Predator and then you just hear about what the, you know, what these privatized military companies have, you know, and it's.

[Todd Lassner]

Like it gets you thinking about that, that episode of Merkel with the Predator that like he's like a cloaked being in chameleon Shimmer.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

They call that the chameleon Shimmer. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Shimmer is what they all use to describe it. Yeah, Shimmer.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, yeah, that's real. They are doing that with tanks now. They've already demonstrated it in a few instances. So. And there they're using radio waves to generate that field. Because radio waves can be used to bend light. You can do something called frequency, high frequency lensing and you can actually bend the radio waves. Matter of fact, you'll see it if you, if you can see examples of it from like a shock wave where a shockwave will create the shimmer. Like when a plane goes by, it'll that you'll see that wave in the air. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Look wavy. And also too if you ever see. Sometimes you can actually see it. If you in the right conditions, you can actually see that waviness from cell phone towers and radars.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh wow.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Radar. The radar dishes. You can see it emanate from the radar dish.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sometimes you see, you can actually see the cancer coming off the 5G.

[Todd Lassner]

Around themselves.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Well that's interesting. Yeah. I mean what I wonder. Well, they don't give a. When it comes to the military. Everybody in the military is just a weird.

[Todd Lassner]

This clip and it's just like cooking you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's like you agreed to, to defend your country, but also in the fine priority footprint be experimental fodder for. For the country as well or at least for some shady aspects of the government. Yeah, I, I don't know what the hell you stumbled upon there.

[Todd Lassner]

So yeah, they, they escort you out, you guys get out of there. And then you said you're feeling weird after.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yes. But now that, now that we're talking about these different radiation emanating devices that can be used to do things like a cone of silence etc, their backpacks were unusually boxy and heavy. Very similar to what he was talking about as far as like almost Ghostbuster. Ghostbuster esque. Right. And if you've seen now a lot of the guys in the Ukraine, Russian war are wearing these jammers.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah. Like a radar jammer.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

And they look like that. Have you noticed that they look like Ghostbusters. Some of them are actually even white. So it even looks like the damn. Like, it just needs a Ghostbuster logo. And you'd be like, same thing. You know what I mean?

[Todd Lassner]

They put a Nazi logo on it instead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, people. People who. This actually comes from the Trey Hudson conversation, right. Where it's like whenever there's areas of high strangeness, there's also traces of some sort of, like, radiation, and people are getting sick around it, you know what I mean? Like, they don't feel so hot after.

[Todd Lassner]

The place we were supposed to go to.

[David Lee Corbo]

We were supposed to go to a place. Yeah. And then it got shut down because Space Wolf research. Well, it's pretty. It's like adjacent, but yeah. Space Wolf research is a skinwalker adjacent property. This is a property that butts up against that. And. And we were supposed to go out there. It's called Moon Lake. We were going to be there middle of August. And the event ended up getting canceled because high dangerous levels of radiation started appearing. But they knew to check for the radiation because in these places, places of high strangeness, radiation is always present. There's a lot of speculation that's what causes all the uneasy feelings, the sickness, the headaches, you know, and then the deaths of cancer, the cancer deaths that come after it. But so they knew they were having this event. They said, okay, we gotta. Let's go around and sweep the property and check for radiation levels. And unfortunately they found, or maybe fortunately, they found high levels of radiation and had to cancel the whole thing. So wherever you. I mean, it's just a game of bingo.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Into this topic, it's like you have a bingo sheet. Military personnel, deep underground military bases, strange feelings of nausea and you know, possibly caused by radiation frequency. See national forest, you know, cave system, cryptid, etc. Etc. Etc.

[Todd Lassner]

And guys with book bags, apparently.

[David Lee Corbo]

Guys with book bags. So it's studious.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's, there's this, there's this bingo sheet that every time we talk about this it gets filled out a lot and you know, we've hit.

[Todd Lassner]

But you also said, I think you mentioned that at like, at the end of this experience, you guys just kind of like forgot about it. Just whatever.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

We were like drained, you know, just really. I mean, yeah, we probably hiked 714 miles all together in a day, but it was just very draining. It was unusually draining because we've done that, we've done hikes longer than that, not had that much of an issue. It was hot that day, but you know, it wasn't like unusual, but we did feel really like abnormally tired. So it makes me wonder if the packs that they had on were some kind of like active dampeners, sound dampening devices or something. Because when you get, maybe when you get too close to that particular entrance or something, there's something there they didn't want to disturb. So when they go near it, they have to the put these packs on, you know, as a dance.

[Todd Lassner]

They were around you, you think they were around you like at the. Because as you're approaching this thing, you said you're about a mile away from it, your wife is feeling sick. You're also kind of feeling weird. Like were they around you the entire time letting you like see what we.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Would do, they could have been just like, oh, just observe this dude and see what he's there for. If it's accidental or not. If he starts really poking, yank him out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Or maybe even something more subtle than that. They might have been whacking you guys with some sort of frequency. Your wife's getting sick. They're hoping, oh, you're not adding back.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Active deterrent like they do with the LRADs, where you get a screeching in your head.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. They could have been hitting you with that.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, well, it could have been hitting her because it would probably work better on. I mean, if you're going to use an active deterrent.

[David Lee Corbo]

Women. Right. They're very complacent.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Women. Women and children. Right. I mean, that's as horrible as it sounds. A lot of people don't realize it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Our.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

There are operations within our military where the doctrine is women and children first, literally.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, I mean, that, that's kind of a bad move strategically, because if you hit women with it, they're going to go like, I have a headache. And you're just going to go, what else? You always have a headache. What is. We're going to keep going and exploring this cave system. You have a headache all the time. You're gonna have another one tomorrow.

[Todd Lassner]

They saw this. They saw Rob. They're like, this guy's too. Stop.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's exactly what it is. They're like, they tried. And he was like, I gotta know what's in that cave.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, I'm sure that they already did the dossier. I mean, they're like, this dude is half Nephilim. We need to get him the out of here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, it's interesting that you, you were drawn to it, right? It's like how many people visit Garden of the Gods and they're. It's just a hiking place to take Instagram photos at that.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

But.

[David Lee Corbo]

But there's a very small percentage of people that are going to go there. I'm like, I heard that there are entrances to underground caverns in this place.

[Todd Lassner]

I. I got another question. I got like, I guess my. One of my last questions for you. If you were to try to find this place again, do you think you'd be able to locate it or is it a kind of a mystery how you got there?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I think I've already found it again because when you guys brought it up and I dropped off of Twitter, I went. Went and deep dive the hell out of it and called some of my contacts in southern Illinois and I started poking again.

[Todd Lassner]

What did you find, Rob?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I think I got it. I think I know where it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, yeah, I've been telling top lobster over here that I do think and. And I know it's a fool's errand.

[Todd Lassner]

I love this. I love how crazy this is. Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

I just want to. I want to see what's in the caves.

[Todd Lassner]

How about. How about what's in the coffee shop?

[David Lee Corbo]

I went to the coffee shop this morning and then you were very late. You didn't show up until long after you said you were going to show up. And I had to ski daddle first. The coffee shop. What's the baby steps? I understand the coffee shop, Bohemian Grove 4. And then the cave systems, which, you know, obviously government.

[Todd Lassner]

Government funded cave system will die in there. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So we have to do Bohemian Grove 4 first because it's important to give the people what they want, which is the people want.

[Todd Lassner]

Do you think it's still as highly guarded? Because this is. Now you're talking 25 years ago, right?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yeah, I don't know. But I have. I did see a picture of it online. Somebody else had been there. And I. I swear, as best as I can remember, that was the entrance and it has not changed at all.

[David Lee Corbo]

Still a big rock there.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yes. Yeah. If you dig on the Internet, I think it's still up there. I actually found it. Then I hit the person up through email. Then I. They didn't answer me, so. But I knew the last name from the email. I was able to track that back. And then I called one of my contacts who still lives in southern Illinois and was like, hey, you know this because down there it's like hollers. It's very similar, like West Virginia. So there are plate like enclaves out in that area that are just like a little housing area with a bunch of like out in the middle of nowhere, out in the mountains, in that area that are just a bunch of trailers, you know, a bunch of people who like have little houses or in trailers out there and they're dead ends, you know, so he knew somebody that knew somebody and it's exciting. I don't. Don't quote me on it just yet because things happen in my life, obviously. And that's why I kind of dropped off of Twitter, because I sometimes think Twitter throws spells. Did you ever?

[Todd Lassner]

Yeah. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, they spell them. They spell them out in the comment section all the time.

[Todd Lassner]

No, no, no. But I agree. It's why I've stepped away from it a little bit. Step. Because at a point, like, like I'm casting spells. I'm aware of it. I'm aware of like how I'm crafting a word. I, I spoken with David about like every single word in a tweet. If it's done correctly can. I don't know, you could reach 20 people, you could reach 7 million people. 6 million some would say. So yeah, it's definitely spellcrafting, but it goes both ways.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yeah, yeah.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

We're just as susceptible when we open up to it. So I get a little, I guess, superstitious, but maybe not because they do have something called neuro linguistics programming. And I really think, you know, that's what AI is going to end up being and doing in the end. But it's not quite there yet because it doesn't understand us well enough yet or it doesn't have its programming set up well enough. So I dropped off and in that time I just want to see what would happen. Right. If there's any experiences or any. If my, if the way I experience the world would change without it and I needed to kind of reground myself away from it. So in that light, I have a friend of mine who is actually buying a fleet of tour buses. And so we're poking at the idea that maybe we do two things. Maybe he's already starting to do this where he's doing EDM events and taking people to EDM events and these tour buses, some of them can sleep like 5:12, whatever. And so we're thinking about doing that, but then also in between from each event, going and stopping off at places like Garden of the Gods, Chaco Canyon, like at significantly paranormal areas and just doing tours. Right. And the only reason we can afford these buses is because now that all the illegals are gone, the buses don't have nothing to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Ah, there you go. They're decommissioned now. We're going to gear them towards areas of high strangeness. I'm sure you're going to lose a few people like, you know, we're looking.

[Todd Lassner]

For different aliens now.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I hope not. Not, you know, but it would be. But anyways, it'd be interesting to, you know, I thought well, let's maybe let's go with this concept, let's see where it goes. So I think I'm gonna invest a little bit of cash in his endeavor. And also too he needs somebody who can fix diesels and knows how to work on generators and that. That's me. So I was like, well, you know, I can help you get some of these up and running I guess at some point and. Or if you have a problem. I've already been advising him on the. Maintenance on. On the bus that. On the tour bus that he's bought so far. But it looks like he's gonna probably end up having three or four in the next couple months. So it should be kind of exciting.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, I. I think producer Nancy has a great idea. She said nds short bus. So I say that we do that. We'll buy a short bus and we'll load these retards onto the short bus and we'll go to places like. Yeah, Garden of the Gods. And we'll go.

[Todd Lassner]

Send them in first.

[David Lee Corbo]

They go in first. I would like for Scott be as.

[Todd Lassner]

Noisy as possible possible.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you guys go ahead. Stay ahead of us. And, and yeah, we'll explore the. The cave systems. I don't know. I think something's happening, especially when it comes to all the. The strange dreams and visions that people are h. Having. I don't know if that this is going to end in some sort of climax. People do think that there's a program called Edan where they were once creating these. These chimeric creatures beneath the surface. You know, the. The food supply chain broke down and eventually, due to low resources, they've now just allowed these entities out of the. Which is. It sounds like to me, honestly, because you go like, hey, I know we've kept you prisoners here in this deep underground military base, but we don't have anything else to feed you, so I'm gonna open up your cage now, and you could just leave, you know? Don't you think you would just shoot them? I don't know. But that's what people think. And, and now these. These creatures have come to the surface and. And, and who knows? Maybe that's what these military personnel were trying to protect us from. And that's why you get so many nowadays. You get so many dogman sightings, things of that nature, you know, maybe. Maybe that's what's happened. Maybe. Maybe they have come up to this to feed. They've come up to the surface to feed.

[Todd Lassner]

But I don't know. I'm glad they didn't feed on you, Rob.

[David Lee Corbo]

I am. I'm glad they didn't feed on you too. Could have been making these. These dragsters and that.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Well, yeah, that too. And. And alternative weapons. And I'm involved in all kind. I got probably five or six patents I'm juggling around right now for different things. So alternatives.

[David Lee Corbo]

If you're developing any frequency weapons, don't let us know. But let us know. But don't let us know. I'm sure you're not developing those, but if you are, you know, I'm not that smart.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

I'm not that smart. Although I wish I was.

[Todd Lassner]

Fans. We're fans of all kinds of weapons. Shout out to tooth hurdy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, too 30. Which is. He's actually. The Abyss Stares Back now on Instagram, can you. I don't know if you could zoom in, but this is one of those little. It's a. I don't think you can call it a single knuckle duster. If you can't, then I apologize, but everybody, go Find the Abyss looks back on on Instagram. Very, very cool work.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Work.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a solid piece of brass. I just like when people make us weapons. And. And. And Rob, if you can. If you. And this is not a weapon. This is a. For legal purposes, a paperweight. But if you. If you are interested in. In helping us figure out how to make our. Our Nephilim Death Squad swords, you know, drop us a. A line and. And let us know where we stand on that after this show. But we got to bring it in for a landing. Rob and I do have one last thing to ask you.

[Todd Lassner]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very important question to ask you.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

You.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, and I. Are you. Are you having fun?

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Yes, it's very exciting where I am right now and being with you guys, that's also very helpful because I've been locked up by myself. I haven't talked to hardly anybody in three weeks. Start getting a little kooky. I start getting like everyone else here in New Mexico, you know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, you got to get back on Twitter. You have to scream spells at people.

[Todd Lassner]

No, no, I. I. Take your experiment and let me know how it goes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's probably better. He'll. He'll talk to us in and be like, guys, actually, I feel a lot healthier now.

[Todd Lassner]

Did you know that 100% of the people you interact with, there are bots?

[David Lee Corbo]

All of them. Every single one of them.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

That is a scary part. And now the bots are so good because the AI is so good.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's getting brutal. And then, of course, you have AI footage and everything else, too, which is getting quite hard to defer that from reality. So what does Cashman call it? Post reality. That's where. That's where we live, baby. Rob, it's been a. It's been a pleasure, brother. Always fun talking to you, man.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

Good talking to you guys, and I'll hit you a line for that piece, and we'll get it rocking.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome. Awesome.

[Todd Lassner]

Very Cool. All right, guys, another great episode. I think we're gonna be off for the next couple of days or.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, because I me, I will be going to quite frankly's jamboree soiree. So if you guys are in New York City, come and see me. It's not the city.

[Todd Lassner]

He's sad. Obey. Submit. Comply. Guys, we'll see you.

[David Lee Corbo]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

[Rob (Black Labs)]

A oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, because they'll face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what and they have.