HELL: The Book of Revelation Series Part XXI w/ Ed Mabrie

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: HELL — The Book of Revelation Series Part XXI with Ed Mabrie

Podcast Information:

• Title: Nephilim Death Squad
• Hosts: Top Lobsta Productions (Top Lobster) and Raven (David Lee Corbo)
• Guest: Ed Ma
• Release Date: December 13, 2024
• Description: Exploring conspiracies through a Biblical lens, featuring discussions on a wide range of topics from ancient myths to modern-day phenomena.

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Introduction to the Episode

In Part XXI of their ongoing Book of Revelation series, Top Lobster and David Lee Corbo welcome Ed Ma to delve deep into the biblical and conspiratorial interpretations of Hell. The episode aims to dismantle common myths about Hell, juxtapose them with scriptural insights, and connect these discussions to contemporary events and predictions.

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Current Events and Conspiracies

The conversation kicks off with Ed Ma discussing recent UFO sightings in New Jersey and the relevance of Cliff High’s predictions. Cliff High, known for his web bots that scrape internet data to predict future events, had forecasted a significant UFO disclosure event linked to a podcast between Donald Trump and Joe Rogan scheduled for December 3rd, 2024. Although the event did not unfold as predicted, Top Lobster emphasizes the potential psychological operations and large-scale deceptions that may be in play, suggesting these align with the biblical narrative of the end times.

Notable Quote:

• Top Lobster [07:57]: "Cliff High believes that human beings are all psychic inherently. Somehow through our language, there are things you can glean... the whole point is that prediction and reality are intertwining, validating our interpretations through this lens."

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Connection to Biblical Narrative

The hosts and guest explore how modern phenomena like UFO disclosures and technological advancements may tie back to biblical prophecies. Top Lobster speculates that these events could signal the unfolding of a larger deception, a theme that resonates with the Book of Revelation's portrayal of end-times tribulations.

Notable Quote:

• Top Lobster [12:13]: "If you are to take Cliff's predictions a little bit more seriously now, because we are in the middle of this... it only vindicates us. We've been saying that we're going to see something like this for a long time, and this is the lens that you should be looking at it through."

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Understanding Hell: Myths vs. Biblical Truths

The core of the episode focuses on deciphering what Hell truly represents according to the Bible, contrasting it with popular cultural depictions.

Hell is Not the Domain of Satan

A prevalent myth is that Satan rules Hell as an equal adversary to God. Top Lobster and David Lee Corbo clarify that the Bible does not support this notion. Instead, Satan is destined for Hell after his failings, not reigning over it.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [31:55]: "He goes to what's called in this, okay? It's called the grave or Hades. That's different than the lake of fire."

Hell is Not Purgatory

The hosts distinguish Hell (Gehenna) from Purgatory, a concept primarily from Catholic doctrine where souls are purified before entering Heaven. They argue that Purgatory is not a biblical concept but rather a man-made construct.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [56:16]: "But Puragatory was essentially invented in the Roman hierarchy... Nothing biblical about purgatory. Nothing."

Hell is Not Annihilation

Another myth addressed is the belief in annihilationism—the idea that souls cease to exist after death. The discussion emphasizes that according to scripture, Hell is eternal, not a place of destruction.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [72:36]: "You are a spirit inside of this flesh body, and you are going. We are eternal. The real us, our personality, our memories, you know, who we are, what we've experienced, that can never go away..."

Hell is a Separation from God

Hell is fundamentally described as a state of eternal separation from God, characterized by darkness rather than the fiery torment often depicted in popular culture.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [75:04]: "Hell is going to be dark. You're going to be separated from God."

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The Nature of Suffering in Hell

Contrary to the traditional view of Hell as a place of physical torment, the hosts propose that true suffering in Hell stems from the conscious and eternal regret of choosing separation from God. They suggest that the pain is psychological rather than physical, rooted in the perpetual awareness of what one has forsaken.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [72:36]: "The torment of hell is spending eternity knowing that you are less than what you were meant to be... You're going to spend eternity being less."

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Modern Christian Perspectives on Hell

The episode critiques various modern Christian interpretations of Hell, such as Calvinism's predestination and universalism. David Lee Corbo argues against the idea that God predestines individuals to Hell without regard to their free will, emphasizing that predetermination undermines God's justice and the concept of free will.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [51:44]: "It makes God a jackass. It makes him unjust because basically he's saying that before you were born, I already decided whether you're going to heaven or hell."

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Spiritual Dimensions and Hell

A fascinating discussion emerges around the concept of multiple dimensions and how higher-dimensional beings (like angels and fallen Elohim) perceive and interact with our three-dimensional reality. Ed Ma and Top Lobster explore how understanding these dimensions can provide deeper insights into the nature of Hell and Heaven.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [93:51]: "Imagine the difference between our three-dimensional world and a higher-dimensional realm. If angels operate in 7, 8, 9, 10 dimensions, their perception and interaction with our world are fundamentally different."

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Upcoming Topics and Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease the next installment in the series, which will focus on Heaven and the New Jerusalem. They plan to address common myths surrounding Heaven, explore scriptural descriptions, and discuss the purpose and nature of eternal life in the presence of God.

Notable Quote:

• David Lee Corbo [103:12]: "Next week, we're going to start talking about Heaven and the New Jerusalem... We'll read some scriptures and delve into what eternity is truly like."

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Additional Insights

Throughout the episode, the hosts touch upon related topics such as the influence of familiar spirits, the role of ritualistic practices like baptism, and the intersection of mythology with spiritual beliefs. Top Lobster encourages listeners to seek deeper understanding through resources like faithbyreason.net, emphasizing the importance of combining faith with reason.

Notable Quote:

• Top Lobster [106:28]: "If you find all this fascinating, if the Book of Revelation series that we're doing is a good tool for you... Faithbyreason.net is exactly where you want to be."

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Conclusion

In this comprehensive discussion, Nephilim Death Squad effectively bridges ancient biblical prophecies with modern-day conspiracies and phenomena, offering a thought-provoking exploration of Hell from both theological and contemporary perspectives. By debunking myths and aligning their insights with scripture, Top Lobster, David Lee Corbo, and Ed Ma provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of Hell's true nature and its implications for humanity.

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[David Lee Corbo]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going.

[Ed Ma]

On is absolutely oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[Top Lobster]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave mother. They control this now when no one's talking about how they made a lot of claims and everybody's just walking around heading the cloud. Want to wake up to a dead in the grave. Finally it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of days.

[David Lee Corbo]

Everybody is slaves. Only some are aware that the government.

[Top Lobster]

Requires welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is top lobster, the father of disinformation. And it is Friday, baby. Fridays are officially for the Lord. And so we are back once again with a continuation of our Book of Revelation series with Ed Ma. Ed, if you could, for the people. Before we get started, let everybody know where they can find your work.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sure. The best place to buy me is my website, faithbyreason.net that's has tons of videos and podcasts and blogs and you can see there the. The Genesis series is up to number two. I'll have probably number three up next week. So yeah, go there. YouTube Rumble X. So yeah, that's.

[Top Lobster]

We were, we were talking right before the show about how these Book of Revelation breakdowns are such a great tool for people, but there's a much more in depth, a much richer version that exists on faithbyreason.net so if you find this to be helpful to you, if this is one of the series that you really enjoy and you're looking for a deeper dive on it, head over to faithbyreason.net and you'll gain access to a much more thorough examination of the Book of Revelation.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, please do like subscribe, share all that good stuff. I appreciate it.

[Top Lobster]

There we go.

[Ed Ma]

So today we're going to be getting into New Jerusalem. No, I keep writing that, keep getting it wrong. But I guess I'm still. I'm more consistent than David with the Roman numerals.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not even going to try to guess what number we're on today. I don't want to listen.

[Ed Ma]

21. 21. 21, 21.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, all right. So that's what xx okay, those are tens. That's a one. Okay, good. I'm getting it. I'm getting it. We're not doing New Jerusalem today. Instead we are diving into. Into hell. This is what I've been made to understand before the show started. Is that correct, Ed?

[David Lee Corbo]

That is correct.

[Top Lobster]

Very exciting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, before we start, did you guys mention you want to say something about the. The New Jersey thing on this episode?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah. Top. You. You had something that you were. You wanted to discuss a little bit. I don't know if it was anything in particular. You just wanted to mull it over.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Ma]

Let me start. I'm asking the YouTube chat. Are you going to hell?

[Top Lobster]

That's a good one.

[Ed Ma]

Yeah. Yes or no? And that's what they say. Yeah. Hopefully we get 100. No, but we'll. We'll find out. Yeah. So there's. There's UFOs in New Jersey. We've been talking about this a lot the last two weeks or so, and now everybody's talking about it. So last night I was watching a Netflix documentary about the crypto space, and lo and behold, who pops up Cliff High. So basically, these guys are running. I forget the name of the documentary. They're running a crypto scam. You can take bitcoin and use a debit card to, like, you know, you'll swipe your debit card and it'll automatically take. Take the bitcoin from that account. But it's got to go through banks, and it was almost impossible to do at the time. I think it's still pretty impossible because banks don't want to cooperate. These guys made it seem like it was possible. The scam artists, Cliff High, his web bot, they actually mention it, but they don't know what it is. They go, his web bot picks it up, and Cliff High mentions them. It's called, like, Sentra. That's the name of their company. So he goes, oh, Sentra's doing big things. Sentra blows up. They've got, like, you know, people coming in. People are interested. They're investing money. So I'm like, oh, my God, look at Cliff High playing a part in this. Then it turns out that a little bit later, CliffHigh realizes that Webbot has made a mistake. And it said that Sentra was involved with, like, some kind of central bank, but it was really a clerical issue. And anyone who's in the crypto space knows that a bank can't. Like, banks and crypto are not really going to get in bed. Well, now they are a little bit more. But in 2012 or so or 2014, they're not doing that. So he misreported. Then he actually went back and reported correctly and basically exposed these guys. But I'm Watching this documentary with Cliff High. He's the guy who made the prediction about the melee in the skies on December 3rd. I don't know if you're aware of that, Ed.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I wasn't.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, man. Yeah, Basically he's got these web bots that scrape data off the Internet and there is emotionally charged language in dialogue between one individual to the next. Somehow they can take that emotionally charged language and derive a prediction from it. By the way, it does have a psychic bent to it. I wasn't aware of that. There is a psychic element. Cliff High believes that human beings are all psychic inherently. Somehow through our language, there are things you can gleam. And so, long story short, this thing predicts that there's going to be a podcast between Trump and Rogan. It predicts this 15 years ago, and then there would be an ensuing event 39 days after that on December 3rd. And. And that would be of a UFO variety as well as a government infighting sort of a situation. And, you know, in very many ways you could argue that's exactly what's happening right now.

[Ed Ma]

Because the guy with the Freemason dad. Yeah. That worked for the CIA.

[Top Lobster]

Same dude, literally a CIA baby. He grew up around CIA agents. I don't trust him as far as I could toss him. But still worth considering the information that he's putting out. And you know, top on that topic, because it does plug in to the biblical narrative I'm anticipating now, because it seems like it's a reality. Whatever Cliff High predicted, there is some sort of psychological operation taking place. They're getting ready to roll out a very large scale deception, probably the largest that we've seen in our lifetimes. And it's really saying something considering we just went through lockdowns and all of that.

[Ed Ma]

So let me just roll back real quick, because December 3rd, he says December 3rd, that there's going to be a melee in the skies, or at least like, this is when it's going to start. So we're talking about it well before December 3rd. And all of our friends who think we're crazy already, they're like, you guys are crazy. There's no way that this happens. December 3rd comes and it goes and nothing really happens. But David was on like TikTok, or your wife was on TikTok and she's seeing these UFO videos or they're calling them drones. This is when it first started happening, like right December 3rd. Now here we are, it's the 13th, where, you know, 10 days later and there's no conversation. Yeah, it's getting. You don't know about this, Ed?

[David Lee Corbo]

I haven't been paying attention to the news.

[Top Lobster]

Honestly, this is insane. The White House has been forced to address it. The press secretary's talking about it. The Pentagon has been forced to address it. It is insane, Ed.

[Ed Ma]

He's writing it down.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Ma]

In New Jersey, basically, they're unidentified drones. They're calling them drones. And they're kind of like flying around. They're moving.

[Top Lobster]

Size of Volkswagen buses, by the way.

[Ed Ma]

Yeah. Big ones, small ones. There's. There's coming out of the crashes, coming out of the ocean. No problem. They're blaming Iran. And then the Pentagon comes out and says, it's not Iran and it's not our craft either. We don't know what it is. They're also saying there's nothing to worry about. Now they're in New York and they're also in some other states. So this guy says December 3rd, and everyone calls us crazy. And here we are 10 days later. I was like, it looks like something's going on in the sky. And it's like a slow build, by.

[Top Lobster]

The way, once there are now these anecdotal. Because you can't verify their time frame. You don't know if this is relevant to the conversation. But videos of craft being shot out of the sky, videos of craft being chased by, you know, fighter jets, all these different things. We really seemingly have gotten to the point where this guy's predictions are well and settled now. Don't trust him. A lot of really wild things going on here. Worth looking at his information. Go ahead.

[Ed Ma]

I know this is completely. Aside from the Book of Revelation book. Not really.

[David Lee Corbo]

No.

[Top Lobster]

I'm gonna reel it in.

[Ed Ma]

So.

[Top Lobster]

Go ahead.

[Ed Ma]

During that documentary, I brought it up because he. It's not that he was wrong. His web bot scraped because he's looking for date, like data on. On crypto stuff. And then it pulled up their centric coin and his. His web bot just got it confused or, like, got it right, but not quite it got it. It associated it with. With a bank that wasn't associated with it, but it still picked up that, hey, these guys are doing some technology here that can change how. How we use cryptocurrency. So he was on it. Ms. Misread the data or the thing. The web bot gave him data that was like. And it seems like this is what happens. It gives them data that's, like, not as obvious. Like when it said there'd be a podcast with Rogan and Trump and that would be the precursor it didn't say podcast. It said it would like, because it didn't have a word for podcast in 2009. It was like, it'll be like a TV show. It'll be well produced. They'll sit down, they'll talk. And he's like, I don't know what this means. Like, why would Joe Rogan talk with Donald Trump? Donald Trump's not president Joe Rogan. Does fear factor in the ufc?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I was gonna ask. He wasn't even. He wasn't even podcasting then.

[Top Lobster]

He was only in his infancy. Like, I think he was still in his own house doing it.

[Ed Ma]

But I bring it up because it's like, it's not that this thing is wrong, but it's not perfect. It's not. It's just giving you, like, loosely what it. What it predicts. So take that. Take that with, you know, how you like this. How do you, like, take it?

[Top Lobster]

But to spin off that and how this does connect to the biblical narrative is that if you are to take Cliff's predictions a little bit more seriously now, because we are in the middle of this. Well, he seems to think that what's going to happen is there's essentially going to be a UFO disclosure. This is going to springboard an entire scenario where we go into what he calls sci fi future. This idea that all this suppressed technology is going to come to the surface, the economy is going to collapse, but we're going to be fine by the time June comes.

[Ed Ma]

Let me also say this, David, and I'm going to pull this up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Ma]

Because I did had. I have an email correspondence with Cliff. He did. He didn't want to come on the show, but what he told me, I was like, what the hell does that mean? So I said, do you want to come on? He says, I, yeah, I don't really do YouTube. And he has some personal things going on. So I was like, well, if you have time, I'd love to talk to you. This was in November of last month. And then I go, we have a good relationship with Rumble. I understand. Take care of your personal stuff. Keep us in mind. Would love to chat. Preferably before the end of the Kali Yuga. A joke.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he just.

[Ed Ma]

He emails back UK to Suar. And I was like, I don't know what that means. So I. I search it and I forgot that he emailed this back, but I searched it last night. Yukteswari. Yukteswar is like this Indian mystic guy, and he believes that we're not in the Kali Yuga, but that we're in the Para Yuga. So the Kali Yuga is an age of man where they. They're going to be obsessed with. With materialism, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Ma]

Like a dark age.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Ma]

The power Yuga is when men are going to be discovering things more spiritually and more technological. So we're just talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that comes after the Kali Yuga.

[Ed Ma]

Yes. And he. So I think. I think Cliff is saying that the Kali Yuga is over or it's already like, whatever. I don't really believe in this kind of stuff, but I do. I do agree with, like, this age of, like, we're moving from this to this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's the same thing. Helena Blavatsky says we're going to the age of Aquarius in 2025. Everybody's pointing to this time period as something, but the nature of it is where they deviate from us. And that is the most important thing. But just to. Just to finish this train of thought, if he's correct, and we do see some sort of, like, alien deception get unfolded on the world, we're going to see a massive falling away from so many of the religions worldwide.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I love that you're bringing it back. I love that.

[Top Lobster]

Right. And so people like us, I do believe, are going to be. I don't want to say this is like, you know, we're going to be kind of important. And the reason that I say that is because we look at Christianity and include the supernatural worldview, whereas so many Christians do not. Those Christians are going to have a lot of trouble with this. We are not going to have any trouble with this because we've been anticipating this coming and defining it slowly as this show has progressed. And so to see it come to fruition, it only vindicates us. We. We've been saying that we're going to see something like this for a long time, and this is the lens that you should be looking at it through. So I don't know what's going to happen, but, like, resources like faithbyreason.net or resources like Nephilim Death Squad or, you know, blurry creatures, the confessionals, you know, it's Sam Tripoli. All these people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Are going to become a lot more important to the conversation than I think we have been previously. Because if you are having struggles with your faith because they're showing you grays, alien grays and things like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Or Billy Carson.

[Top Lobster]

Or Billy Carson. Right. You'll turn to the church, hopefully hope to God you go to a church that can piece this together for you, but there will still be resources. People like us will still be talking to people like you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

So I think it's gonna really change the dynamic. And I think if this is true, we're about to enter a whirlwind and it's gonna be great. I'm having a blast. I'm loving it. But it's about to get really crazy. It's about to get really crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

So a few things. Number one, I feel like I've been under a rocker. So I'm trying to think, what have I been doing the last few days that I missed?

[Top Lobster]

I see these things that I'm like, what does Ed think? Like, that's what I'm thinking, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm. I. My bad for not. It's. I guess my algorithms are off my YouTube because nothing's popped over my channel. And I don't know, I've been trying to stay away from. From, like, from news because it just, you know, gets in the way of things. And I don't believe most of it anyway. But I think I need to maybe have a little more moderation in that. And because, yeah, I miss this, I'm gonna dive into it right after the show because that's insane.

[Ed Ma]

What set it off for us is like, it's the Facebook feed. It's just regular people who are like, what are these lights in the sky? And like, normal people and, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. So it's not just like, you know, government approved bots.

[Top Lobster]

No. I used to live in New Jersey, so I've seen personal friends of mine that I went to high school with that are talking about it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Ma]

And I lived in Brooklyn right across the water. And now they're like. I see personal friends of mine that they're like, they were above the Verrazano Bridge last night and I'm like, oh, damn.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nice. And other things. I'm going to check out this. This guy Cliff.

[Top Lobster]

Cliff High. Yes. Like I said, take him with a grain of salt. He's onto something very interesting. He deviates incredibly. So he calls the why get all.

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[Top Lobster]

He basically says that at the top of this, there is the Elohim worship cult and the Elohim have put in charge, essentially the Jews, and that the Elohim are real. But he seems to think that these aliens are separated in some way from them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

And.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, yeah, I think you make the argument, I think that the aliens, the physical ones, are actually Nephilim and the Elohim are what we call angels.

[Top Lobster]

Correct. I would say that there's a tremendous connection and you need only look to like La Marzulli's work where it's like you have this narrative of the fallen and what their interests are in human beings and human DNA. And once you look over to what the Grays are doing to us, it's all genetic manipulation, it's all interbreeding between species. It's the same story. It's just done through a more technological avenue.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thanks, John.

[Top Lobster]

Once you look at that, that is, should be enough for you to go, something is interesting here and I need to be digging. And once you dig, there is a never ending amount of information that goes, oh, these things are ancient biblical adversaries who hate mankind.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, the other thing, and I think I talked about this on, on this show early on, maybe even before the Revelation series or maybe during. And that is the, the idea, the spiritual law of as above, so below, which is what we call predictive programming. Because the question that I've had, you know, in my conspiracy searches is like, why do these people feel the need to tell us what they're going to do before they do it? I mean, it seems counterproductive if you, I mean, if you're a small elites, this small elite group, why would you want to telegraph anything that you're going to do ahead of time? Because, I mean, your biggest, your, your biggest enemy, your biggest adversary is other people having knowledge. So you would think you want to keep everything as secret as much as possible. But then there's that spiritual law that you have to speak something into one realm so that it manifests in the other realm. You know, that's how, that's how God created the universe. I'm actually going to be talking about that in my next, in the next episode of the Genesis series is that God spoke into the, into the spiritual realm and it manifested here on Earth. You know, let there be light. Let there be animals, mountains, trees, what and whatnot. So he follows that law. That's the law that he established. And then we get to the book of Daniel where we see, you know, the, the vision we did talk about this. The vision of those four beasts which represent the four world empires. This, these are, these are the bad guys, the evil Elohim giving their plan for how they're going to, you know, take over and how they're going to accomplish their goal through these, you know, four empires from Babylon to Rome and Rome in the second half, you know, Rome Part two, which I believe we're in now because Roman Empire never fell. It just became a, became a theocracy, which became a banking system, which is where we are now. But the point. And then, then they're going to bring in their Antichrist. We see this all in, in, in Daniel chapter seven. And because they spoke it, it's going to manifest. That's why God could justly judge it in Daniel chapter seven and say, okay, that's your plan. Got it. It's going to manifest. Here's my counter plan. I'm going to send down the son of man, Jesus, and he's going to inherit these nations. The point is bringing it back to what's going on with this Cliff guy. It could be that this is part of that. This is the. As above, so below, speaking things into one realm, say, manifest in the other realm. Predictive programming because they, It's a law that they. That all spiritual entities and us have to do. I mean, when we pray, that's what we're doing. We're speaking something in this realm so that it manifests spiritually. So that's another thing. And finally 2025, man, we've, I think we've mentioned this before. I, I was hearing about this years ago, but, you know, before we ever met, Helena Blavatsky said it was back when I was listening to a show called Radio Liberty by the, with the late Dr. Stan Monteith and he would have a guest on, by the name of Dennis Cuddy, who I think he was part of the. Very well educated guy, was part of the Department of Education under Reagan. Anyway, he was a researcher and he would say that Elena Blavatsky and her ilk in the 20s and 30s were saying, yeah, by 2025, the world order, as it were, would be rapidly taking shape.

[Top Lobster]

Right, yeah. And. And that we've been moving into, or we will be moving into a new age. Which is fascinating when you couple that with Donald Trump's proclamation of a golden age that is coming.

[David Lee Corbo]

And oh, and last thing, because you said, you know, Christians are going to be caught off guard, believers, and. Yeah, I think they are, because we talked about this maybe a little bit on the episode we did about, you know, the trauma derangement syndrome with John Lenhardt is that Christians are exuberant over the election of Trump. Okay, great. We're going to get our stuff again. You know, we've, you know, we're going to get our money back. We're going to, you know, the economy is going to be better, Inflation is going to be gone. I'm going to start to enrich my portfolio. Like, you guys are focused on the wrong stuff. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I, yeah, I don't mind seeing, you know, my 401k kind of getting a little bigger. But, dude.

[Top Lobster]

I've been talking to Top about it. It's like, if we are to get a, you know, golden age, like, okay, sure, sure. I anticipate that lasting about three and a half to four years. And I think that it's like the Bible when it says, when they say peace.

[Ed Ma]

Peace and prosperity.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Peace and safety.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. Sudden destruction will fall upon them. And so I look at it that way and I go, I'm going to appreciate the fact that I can afford things, but I'm also going to be positioning myself in such a way, strengthening my relationship with God and anticipating that this is not going to last forever. And look, no matter what you do, it's not going to last forever. You're going to die one day. So it's probably best to do those things anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And it would not surprise me. I hope this doesn't happen. But if there's, like you said, that brief economic crash, so, yeah, we shall see.

[Top Lobster]

That's, that's part of the, the data set that Cliff High is interpreting, I think is the best way to put that. He's getting information and he's interpreting it and trying to see how it fits into this worldview. He's suggesting that December and January are going to be one hell of a ride and it's going to be terrifying and there's going to be all this Infighting, economic collapses, the dollar is going to collapse, allegedly. But come June, we're going to emerge from this situation and from there that is where we're going to enter what Cliff says is sci fi World. What Donald Trump says is the golden age, what Helena Blavatsky says is, you know, the, the new age of Aquarius, whatever it is. We'll be experiencing that according to these predictions, which, you know, they, they do have some pliability as far as their time frame. We'll be experiencing that come June. We'll be entering that. But between now and then it's going to be a bumpy ride. So do with that information what you will, guys. And if you see it unfold, don't let it shake your faith. I have found that the Bible has plenty of information on these happenings that you can use it to make sense of things. And when have we ever taken the government's information on what these things are? You know, we're used to one deception after another deception after another deception. When the government tells you that our benign space brothers are here to do one thing or another, run for the hills. Believe that. Yeah, run for the hills. Why would you believe that? All right, all right, let's get into this. This, this hell, which by the way, I've, I've learned is a pretty contentious subject within the Christian community. There are, there is no existing hell that you won't be going there. And so a lot of people believe that this is a control mechanism that the church has levied against the people. I'd very be very much be interested in, in your take on this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, so we're going to get into that because what I'm going to do is I'm gonna, first, first half of this, I'm going to talk about some, some of the myths about hell, some things that hell is not that we think it is in pop culture and then actually what it is, because again, hell is such a big subject, just universal. Whether you are a faith based person or not. You understand, you know, the concept of hell. And when you have something that's, that's a part of our popular culture, it tends to. A lot of fiction gets mixed in with the facts and sometimes it's even more so. And, and then people take the fiction and they run with it and say, well, the Bible said this. Or Christians like, well, no, we actually don't. It's kind of a straw man argument. You're taking, you know, something that you read in a book or, you know, Dante's Inferno, The Divine Comedy or something you saw on, on, you know, in a picture or painting of Satan ruling hell. And you say, well, this is what the Bible says. And yeah, it gets things off tilter. So I want to just start with, with that. A few of them are obvious and then some of them are a little more subtle, but just tobacco. How do we get here? Well, last time, last week, I believe we talked about the Great White Throne Judgment. That's. So this is after the millennial reign. It's over, final test. And everyone has. Is on one side or the other. Everyone is. All human beings are gone. Are physically are, are gone. Right now, either you are. You either have your heavenly resurrection body or you are or you're dead with an unbelief. And then heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth is gone. They will. We're gonna have a new heaven and new Earth. We're going to start talking about that next time because they have to be recreated for several reasons that this one cannot, cannot exist in the New Jerusalem space again. We'll get into that next week. So now we have the final Judgment, the Great White Throne. Everyone was. Everyone's at the Great White Throne are people who are going to be judged based on their works. They're being judged based on what they said. Hey, I'm a good person or I'm not a good person, whatever. You're going to be judged based on what you did, which is, you know what a lot of people say? They one, hey, if I'm a good person, I should, you know, I should get X, Y and Z. I should get. I should be in. I should be in heaven because I'm, I'm good. We talked about why that's a fallacy last week. So I don't want to, you know, go back to that episode. So now that. So there it was, a two judgments. One, you're judged on your works. And then if you're in your judging, whether or not you're written in the book of Life. The Book of Life for those who are going to be in, in New Jerusalem, in eternity with God. You can almost look at that Book of Life as it's based on. In ancient times, you had a roster of the citizens of a city.

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[David Lee Corbo]

And once you entered the city, became an occupant of the city, you were written down in that book as a citizen. And if you were born in that city, you were written down as a citizen. And if you leave, then you're scratched out. And that's what the book of life is. If you are, if you become a believer, you are. Well, I think we're all written in at birth and then you can be marked out. If you, once you decide that you are not going to be a believer at some point, but everyone else will be, will be sent to the lake of fire. It's called Gehenna, which is what we commonly call hell. So let's go through some of the myths, some of the things that are not true. And the first one is one that I think if you're sophisticated, you know this isn't true, but it's still in pop culture and that is that hell is the domain of Satan and the demon demons that, you know, God rules heaven and Satan rules hell, that it's his, he has a throne there. You know, you can see like the, the old south park shows where they have the devil ruling hell and he has his pitchforks. And when you go to, when you're sent to hell, then there's demons with pitchforks poking at you and torturing you and all this kind of stuff. Well, this isn't true. Satan does not rule hell because it's one of those fictions that I think most people know it's a fiction. But one of the misconceptions that it breeds is the idea that God and Satan are co equal, that they are enemies, that they're battling head to head and they're on some kind of level plane. And you know, Satan could win the War. Or God could win the war. No, we. That's not true. Satan and God are not co. Equal. Satan is not God's enemy. God could wipe Satan out in a minute. And he will. He sends him. He. He sends him. Now he's actually the third entity that goes to actual. Through the lake of fire. So he. So Satan does not rule hell. You know, you have to get rid of some of these. The ideas you see in these paintings or reading the Divine Comedy. No, Hell is where Satan and the demons and the fallen angels are going to be sent. So that brings us to the next one, which is that. Yeah, go ahead.

[Ed Ma]

So where does. When Jesus, he's. When he's dead for three days, where does he. Where does he go?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm gonna get to that, but I'll tell you now. He goes to what's called in this, okay? It's called the grave or Hades.

[Ed Ma]

Okay?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's different than the lake of fire. So Hades was. Is just Hades or shield. Hades is Greek. In Hebrew it's called Sheol. It just means the grave. It is where all the dead went before Jesus's resurrection. There were two compartments in Hades. One compartment was called Abraham's bosom. And that's where you would go if you were. If you believed in the promise of the Messiah, you would go there. But you. But you weren't saved yet because Jesus hadn't died and resurrected. So you would go there. So it was a place of paradise. And you. And if you were unrighteous dead, if you did not believe, then you went to Hades. So I'm sorry, you went to another compartment of Hades called torment. And, well, which was really uncomfortable. We see in the, in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus that Jesus gave. He said, you know, Lazarus was this, you know, poor beggar. And the rich man treated him poorly and they both died. Lazarus went to. Went to Abraham's bosom and the rich man was in torment. And he was aware of where he was. He was, you know, he was very uncomfortable. He said he was, you know, he. He asked that. That Abraham send Lazarus over to give him a drop of water to quench his tongue. So the question would be, why? Why are these unrighteous dead in Hades and not in Gehenna in the lake of fire yet. And it's because they haven't been. They haven't been judged yet. The great white throne of judgment hasn't happened. So you can consider Hades like jail and hell, prison. You know, you're. You're in a holding cell until you're finally judged and then you go to do the Lake of Fire. And on the other side, you might.

[Top Lobster]

Call that limbo as well. Right. Like kind of the concept of limbo.

[David Lee Corbo]

Kind of concept of limbo purgatory we're going to get into because purgatory is something different according to catechism. So, yeah, I mean, if you want to call it limbo, you can. It's not going to be as bad as hell because you haven't been punished based on your works yet, but it won't be a place where you're going to be very happy.

[Ed Ma]

Could this explain so. Because I think modern Christianity and I struggle with this as well, when you die, I'm like, well, your spirit goes somewhere. You go up or down or however you like to think of it. But it doesn't change the fact that there are weird supernatural occurrences. And like, we like to discuss on the shows, like, is all. Are all of this. Are all these occurrences, all these entities, Nephilim, some form or other, like taking the place of a familiar. Or does this actually, like, is there room for this stone tape theory where there's things kind of around, like old spirits?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I can't completely discount that because I'm not an. I'm not an expert in that area. My belief. You were to, you know, to nail me down on it. I believe when familiar spirits are. First of all, familiar spirits exist. We all have them. And I mean, it's actually, I'm attributed in the book of Matthew because, you know, the whole. The idea of a guardian angel is not just, you know, a, you know, a child's fairy tale. It's true that we. It says in Matthew, I don't have the. I can't remember the verse right now from me. But. But all children are given a. A good angel and there's who's on their side. They also have an evil one. So that whole. The whole, you know, the old cartoons of a good angel on your one shoulder and a bad angel on the other shoulder, that's actually not completely unaccurate. You do have a familiar spirit and that's assigned to you and that knows you and knows your weaknesses. That's why we always tend to fall or fail in the same area because that one knows what to do. For. I'll give you an example of mine. One of. One of the things that, like, really ticks me off and gets me in a bad mood is if somebody being rude in traffic. I think I may have mentioned this before when I'm Driving, it's like everybody on the road is an.

[Top Lobster]

Ed brings this up every once in a while. He's like, have I mentioned that I am really angry when it comes to traffic also? I drive very fast.

[David Lee Corbo]

I drive very fast, and I'm a really angry driver. And when I'm driving, I've said this before. Everybody on the road is like a jerk. I mean, people are tailgating me. People are cutting me off. Like, what is this? Why is this happening to me? When my wife drives, everything's fine. She. Nobody's doing that to her. And if they do, it's like, it's no big deal, because I think it's. I, I, I, I, I truly believe that they know what triggers us and knows what, what gets us in a, you know, foul mood and then leads us to do things we don't want to do. So the reason I brought that up is, I think, a familiar spirit say, let's say I die tomorrow, and someone wants to say, we'll have a seance. We'll bring Ed spirit back. Are they bringing my spirit back? Or, or are they conjuring that familiar spirit who's been with me my whole life and knows me.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And can speak on my behalf more or less, and can say, oh, yeah, here's, here's where I grew up. This is, you know, this is where I went to school. They know all this information. So, like, oh, wow, that's really Ed. Because they know all these things that, that he. Only he would know. Now, that, so that's not taught to discount that. Maybe there is some odd things happening because we see in the, in the, in the book of Second Samuel where King Saul, who's the first king of Israel before King David. He, you know, Saul was his advisor, I'm sure. Excuse me. Samuel was his advisor. Samuel dies and in Saul is in a tough spot and he wants Samuel back. So he goes to a mystic called the Witch of Endor. Yeah, same indoor as in Star Wars.

[Top Lobster]

Wow.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, the same, same name.

[Top Lobster]

Right, Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And she. And, and Samuel spirit appears to Saul, and no, he not very nice to him. But the whole point is that's, that's a biblical example of someone who was dead. It was him. It wasn't like an apparition. It wasn't like, you know, a fake Samuel. It was actual Samuel coming back and speaking to Paul.

[Top Lobster]

So to me, it makes sense that spiritual realm would be as diverse as probably infinitely more diverse than the physical realm that we inhabit because of that sort of fractal nature. Of reality or that as above, so below that we see so often. Yeah, we have, you know, solitary confinement. We have probation. We have a county jail. We have a prison. We have a holding cell in a police station. We have a lot.

[Ed Ma]

Know a lot about this stuff, huh, David?

[Top Lobster]

I lived a life, so, I mean, there's so many different sentences that we implement as human beings in this realm, and there's so many different punishments, you know, from one cage to another. I do expect. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a range of diversity. This is for high max prisoners, the fallen. Right. This is for. Maybe there's a purgatory. It's kind of like probation. You know, we pass by them, they're just doing these sort of spiritual version of picking trash up on the side of the road. You know what I mean? Like, I do think that there is diversity within that, because who are we to expect that we can create systems that are so diverse, but that God wouldn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well. And if you look at it, there's. There's some biblical evidence of some of these things. You have some, like fallen Elohim that are in what's called the bottomless pit. We talked about that before. They're released during Revelation. So that's different than Hades, per se. Then there's also some that are locked under the oceans that are going to be released. There's some that are locked in the River Euphrates. So I'm guessing that these. They're different levels of punishment. So. And if you. If you look at the Book of Enoch, which is not a part of canon, but I think it's a book that should be taken seriously, it goes into even more detail about the realm that these fallen entities end up in.

[Ed Ma]

Yeah, they're like on a mountain, right? It's like. Yeah, describes it. There's like. Like people, regular people on a mountain, but they're kind of like. They. They're like in. I don't. From what I remember, they're, like, in caves, and they're like. They're not doing too good, but they're, like, alive. It's just.

[Top Lobster]

That was when the. The angels were taking Enoch on basically a tour of all the most horrific shit that he had ever seen. Yeah. And he's like, being flown over, like, what is that great abyss? And he's like, oh, don't worry about that. That's where we tossed the fallen. And he's like, what is this thing? And he's like, that's actually. There's a tree in there. It's a long story. And then they keep going. I'm like, yo, they just flew him over the Garden of Eden. That's wild. So, yeah, I mean, in that book, if you are to incorporate that into your worldview, Enoch is shown more than a few different places that seem to have some real spiritual significance for punishment or otherwise.

[Ed Ma]

Right, Real quick, go to the Last episode, episode 20. The whole thing was about the levels of blessings that we're working for here.

[Top Lobster]

Yes, yes. Yeah. Honestly, that last episode, I've been looking for a reason to say it, and I'm glad that Lucid Legend brought that up, because one of my favorite episodes that we did and really was a lot. There was a lot of clarification in that when it came to the Great White Throne of Judgment and the other throne, where you're essentially being judged by Jesus based off of your rewards, you had already been saved. There's two different places, you know, which once again, just speaks to the fact that why would we create a system that is so diverse and so intricate and have God not have something that, you know, dwarfed that?

[David Lee Corbo]

I. I was on a podcast yesterday when I was talking. I was doing the whole speed of light thing, and we were talking about simulation theory, and I said, yeah, this world's a simulation. So if it's a simulation, it's a simulation of something else.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

So we are simulating what the spiritual realm. I mean, the Ark of the Covenant. The true Ark of the Covenant is in the. Is in the heavens, in the throne room of God. The Ark of the Covenant that we. That was on. On. On Earth was a simulation of that. So, yeah, it will make sense that we're simulating some things, whether consciously or unconsciously.

[Top Lobster]

This is that thing, right? When it comes to, like, leaning on your own understanding, like, we've come so far as human beings in so many ways, we're spiritually dwarfed, and our understanding is very limited, but still, our technological advancements are considerable. And I don't know, it's. It's. It just feels like what we're doing is we're looking at something and we're attributing a 2024 human beings concept to it because we have computers and we have video games, and so, oh, there are details of this realm that seem to coincide with the very details we would create to create a video game thereby. This must be a simulation. It's like, oh, so close, but still retarded because there's all these details that we're missing and we're Just reducing it. It's unbelievable because the holidays are all.

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[Top Lobster]

We just. The hubris of us to get to a point in our technological advancement and go, oh, we've cracked the code. This is simulation. We live in a simulation. It's like we're still just learning.

[David Lee Corbo]

I highly recommend the movie the 13th Floor. It. It came out like, wow, I think late 90s, but it's about a science. A group of scientists, video game designers, basically, who create a simulated world that they can enter into. But then they find out. I'm going to give away the spoiler. They found that at the end of the movie that they were actually in a simulated world. So they made a simulation inside of a simulation, which is. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I've actually never really cool movie.

[Ed Ma]

I love this guy. Forget his name. He has a great voice.

[Top Lobster]

The hat man.

[Ed Ma]

The guy with the hat. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, that's. He played the president on 24. Dennis Haysbert.

[Ed Ma]

Okay. Yeah, he's great.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, he is. He's one of my favorites.

[Top Lobster]

But that's just that thing, man. It's like, you know, sure, there are elements, but it's so much more grandiose than how we've come to kind of in our smugness. Smugness. Like, oh, yeah, it's a simulation.

[Ed Ma]

We're always asking for. We're Always trying to simulate what is in heaven or what God would do. And, like, right now we're asking for a God king, dictator sort of thing. And it's like, oh, that's the. Yeah, that's, you know, the iron rule of Jesus Christ. Not quite. We're not there yet, but like, we're asking for. And you never quite get it.

[David Lee Corbo]

We'll get the fake one first. The Antichrist. And the last thing on this is you were talking about all the technology stuff. I think a strong argument can be made that a lot of our technological advances were. Are spiritually influenced. I mean, we talk about when Nephilim, when the fallen angels. Angels first came down and spawned the Nephilim. They also gave the secrets of heaven technology secrets. And I'm. I'm con. I almost am convinced. I very strongly believe that after World War II, when you have the Roswell stuff happening, because I think there's so much bloodshed. I think it thinned the veil. Blood hitting the ground does that. We've talked about that before. I think it allowed. I think it allowed a great amount of spiritual influence to come into the world. And that's when our technology took off.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, we have been. Top has been on that trail for the past few episodes. He's like, this happened. And then what happens in 47, the Roswell thing and Israel's created right afterwards, and all these different advancements all take place in, like, the mid to late.

[Ed Ma]

40S is like, yeah, 47 is like Roswell, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, 47, 48, something like that.

[Ed Ma]

And yeah, 48 is creation of Israel.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then right after that, you have Jack Parson and L. Ron Hubbard doing their Babylon working, and then that's what's created.

[Top Lobster]

Yep. I. Dude, I'm telling you, like, that is a great explanation for the sudden burst in that kind of activity is the bloodshed.

[Ed Ma]

And I personally, I enjoy being called crazy for, like, being like, one plus one equals two. But the more I do it, I'm like, oh, no. One plus one equals two, baby. If you're not seeing it now, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

That's so funny. I just want to say really quickly, I love how that comes together because so often something that I'm exploring or Top explorers is then incorporated into a larger conversation an episode or two later. And this is just one of those things. That's a great. That's a great line of thought.

[David Lee Corbo]

Cool. Yes. Let's move on to the. To the next one. Is that myth is that. Or the hell is not made for man The Electrify was not intended for human beings. We were not meant to be. It was meant for spiritual evil. God did not create it for. For us. He created for the fallen angels and the fallen Elohim. I'm sorry, it's falling. Fallen Elohim and the Nephilim in all spiritual badness. But the problem is that there's a binary choice. You have to be with him or separated from him. God's intention. He says it this. This pretty clearly in. In the scriptures, you know, God's will is that none should perish, but that all should come. I'm paraphrasing. But that all should come to faith in him. God's desire is that for every human being to believe in Him. His desire isn't like, I want to. Some of you guys, I want to bring to heaven. The rest of you guys. Yeah, you guys suck. I want you to go to hell. No, that is not. It was not made for us. But if you choose not to be with God, then there's no by default. You have to be without him. We talked about that a little bit in the last episode. So it's not. He wasn't made for us. So then the torment was not intended for us. And we're going to talk about what that torment is. I mean, a bit. And this. And so this next piece kind of dovetails with it and that. Thank you. And that is that hell is not a place that God sends anyone. And this is one of those myths that, you know, God sends people to hell. You hear it all the time. I mean, it drives me nuts because I'll hear people saying it as I'll hear some Christians saying it, and I'll hear unbelievers saying it as a pejorative, like, you know, why would a loving God send me to hell? He wouldn't. A loving God does not send you to hell. God does not send you to hell. If you are in hell, you're there for one reason and one reason only. Because you rejected the invitation to heaven. Everyone is invited to heaven. It says, you know the most famous verse in the Bible, For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son. So that whosoever believed. It's not people who. If people I like believe, it's whosoever you have the chance. We talked about it last week where if you. You could live a crappy life, be a horrible person, and then have a deathbed confession, and if it's sincere, you're going to heaven, not based on what you did. But based on what Christ did, based on the invitation, of course, your reward isn't going to be the same as someone who's, you know, lived a more virtuous life. But you, whosoever. And the, the problem and the reason that many Christians will also parrot this is due to Calvinism and one of the, you know, one of the tenets of Calvinism, you know, you have what tulip. Total depravity, you know, unlimited. Don't forgive me. I don't have all the, the, oh, I have. I've never memorized the tulip. I always get, oh, unconditional something or other and blah, blah, anyway. But there's one aspect of which is predetermination. Basically, irresistible grace states that if God meant for you to be to heaven, in heaven you're going to be there whether you like it or not. It's inevitable. You're predestined. And if God did not choose you, then you're predestined to hell. That makes God a jackass. It makes him unjust because basically he's saying that before you were born, I already decided whether you're going to heaven or hell, and it doesn't matter. So, like, if a baby is born, never done anything. God said, you know what? You, you're going to hell, kid. Sucks for you. That's unjust and it's unrighteous. And it basically is blasphemous because if you believe that God's going to send you to heaven or hell without before you even make a choice, then first of all, that means there's no free will. And again, that means God's unrighteous. It means he's unjust. Which basically you're saying God doesn't exist because God is always and completely right. Right? And just. He's completely righteous and completely just. And it is completely unjust for God to violate your free will and say you're going to hell because I said so. Now what he can say is that I see the pattern of your life. And basically on this pattern, you're going to go to hell based. Based on the, on the series of choices I see you making based on the information that I have. But it's not. So that's why God can declare this guy's going to hell, not because God is sending them there, but because he can see he has all the information in the world. He can see the pattern that you're on, and he can see that, okay, he's not going to repent. I see where he's going Isn't it.

[Ed Ma]

Interesting, like how you're describing it to be like what we just talked about with Cliff High's web bot, where it's an AI, but I mean, obviously this web bot's not God, so it doesn't get things completely right, but it's all it's doing is saying like, here's the pattern.

[David Lee Corbo]

Pattern is right. Exactly.

[Ed Ma]

Yeah, yeah. And also it's like a replication of God, like they always do, you know, like crappy, crappy replication.

[Top Lobster]

And on that note of like this predeterminism, it doesn't really make sense logistically. It doesn't seem to serve a purpose. I, you know, obviously having some degree of free will and constantly being given a choice that functions properly. And I just find the more and more that we do this, that the Bible is actually a lot more logical than people give credit. People reduce it to like, oh, you believe in a fairy tale and a man with a beard in the sky. And it's like, no, I believe in spiritual systems and a creator and I recognize a saga unfolding of the fall of mankind and an opportunity given for redemption. And within this story there is quite a lot of logically functioning systems. And, and that, that's one of the things that I think is really, you know, I, that's why I love your, your that saying, faith by reason. It, it, it's a great saying because previously I think a lot of people thought you just had to have blind faith. And it's like, no, there is, there's a lot of reason to be found in this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly. And that's. Yes. Not what God. It's not the faith that God requires.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Sorry, I, I hate. I'm going to do this really quick because I, when I try, when I bring up Calvinism and tulip and I keep forgetting what they mean, so I'm going to do it right now, here, really quickly. The T is for total depravity, meaning we're all sinners, which actually I kind of agree with. The U is unconditional election, meaning that again, you're chosen by God unconditionally. He's, you know what, you're going to heaven. And the L is for limited atonement, meaning that Jesus didn't die for everyone. He only died for the people who were going to accept him, which honestly doesn't make any sense. Then there's I, is irresistible grace, which means that, you know, if you are called, no matter how bad you are, no matter you're going to, you're gonna, you're gonna be saved. His God's grace is irresistible. He's gonna draw you to him because he's already chosen you, you know, whether you like it or not. And the P is for perseverance of the saints, meaning that once you're saved, you can never change your mind.

[Top Lobster]

This is a great question. Shout out to Nancy. She decided to show up today. She says, can I get baptized without joining a church? That is honestly a great question for me because it's something that I think about often.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, sure. So it depends on your definition of church. If you mean it in organization, then, no, you don't have to. You can be baptized. People were baptized before there was even a church. Jesus was baptized John the Baptist was. That's why it's called John the Baptist. He was baptizing people. The church didn't exist until Acts, chapter two. So baptism is a symbol of your confession of faith. And you can, you can be baptized without being a part of any formal organization. You're back. You're back. You're being baptized into the Christian faith. And just remember, and also in the Book of Acts, when the disciple Philip, he witnessed to the Ethiopian eunuch, and he was the Ethiopian eunuch was reading from the Book of Isaiah.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Philip is literally raptured to him, to witness to him. And he teaches him from the book of Isaiah that you know, because you know Isaiah has a lot of prophecies about Jesus. He says, yeah, Jesus is The one who is prophesies in this book, and the unit believes him. He says, look, can I be baptized? Philip said, sure. Baptized, right then and there. Then he went back to Jerusalem. So. And he didn't join an organization. So baptism is a symbol of your confession of faith. So, yes, you absolutely can be.

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[David Lee Corbo]

All right, so what else? We said. We already talked about Hades, so I don't need to bring that up. That was my other one. Oh, here's one. Hell is not purgatory. So what is purgatory? I know you get brought that up, and I think there may be confusion between the idea of purgatory and limbo. Purgatory is something that was essentially invented in the Roman hierarchy. Purgatory is. Is. It's not just a holding cell. It's where you go if you are a part of the Catholic Church. And of course, in. In. In Catholic catechism, in order to be fully saved, you have to be a part of the Catholic Church. You cannot. According to their theology, I am not fully saved because I am not a Catholic Catholic. But once you are baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant, they sprinkle the water on you. Hey, you're part of the Church now. You're written in the roster. You are saved. However, you have to. You have to do all the good works in order to earn your way directly in heaven when you die. Oh. However, if you aren't a good person, if you do bad things and you're. You're bad outweighs your good. You go to purgatory temporarily to be cleansed with your. Of your sins by fire. So you have to suffer for a while in purgatory until you've paid the excess for your excess sins. Then you. You're brought into heaven. That's what purgatory is, just a place of temporary suffering for people who are believers.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, time out. But you're suffering this. And this is why you've watched, you know, mob movies, mafia movies, or even, you know, maybe even witnessed a few of them yourself. You noticed that all Catholics, they. Yeah, they're horrible people. I mean, they're doing terrible things. They're sex trafficking, they're doing casino, you know, gambling, prostitute prostitution rings, like murder, all these kind of things, but they're all Catholic. Why. How can you claim to believe in God and Jesus and still readily do all these different. All these horrible things? Because they're in. In Catholicism, there's a. I think it's a great Racket you can pay to be prayed out of purgatory.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

If you give a certain amount of money to the church, the priest will pray for you to expede you out of purgatory. So in the mind of a mobster, they say, look, this is great for me. I can go out and, like, live the life, can, you know, rob, cheat, steal, kill, run, run, guns, sex traffic. But then when I die, I'll give a. Have a million dollars sent to the Catholic Church. And when I go to purgatory, because I was baptized in the church, so I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm safe. When I go to purgatory, I paid money. A priest will pray me right out of there. So, you know, I don't even suffer that long. And off I go to heaven.

[Ed Ma]

It's crazy.

[Top Lobster]

This point too top. I mean, I'm sorry, Ed. Shout out to not nice guy. He says baptism is a choice. Babies can't make a choice. And it seems like the choice, from what I'm gathering, is the most important part. It's the ability to choose.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, right. It is. And that's what infant baptism was. One of the things that. The. The Reformation with Martin Luther and Calvin and some of the others, you know, they did some good things that, you know, Luther and Calvin were not perfect. They did some things that were not well. Right. And that have really impacted the church negatively. But. But one of the many things that they did get right was rejecting infant baptism. Again, there's no choice there. And, But. But they want you to be part of the church so that you start paying into it. I mean, that. Why do you think the church got so bloody rich? You had all these rich jackasses throughout history who, you know, who were baptized into the Catholic Church, and they don't want to go to purgatory. So, hey, we'll give you guys money. Pray us out of purgatory so we can live the life we want to live here on Earth. Then we don't even get to have to suffer in hell. We get the best of both worlds. But I think they're in for a very rude awakening because there's nothing biblical about purgatory. Nothing. There is a passage in the Book of Maccabees, which is not a part of the biblical canon that infers purgatory. But again, the Book of Maccabees is more of a history book about the. About the. The cleansing of the temple, the overthrow of the. Of the. The. The. The Greek. The Greek ruler who was. Who was put over that area of Israel Antiochus Epiphanies and how he violated the temple and the Jews roll rose up and overthrew him, which is where we get Hanukkah from. But the Maccabees were the name of the people who who who kicked the Greeks out of out of out of Israel and out of Jerusalem. So yeah, interesting history book, not canon and but that's the only place where you even get an inference to there being a possible purgatory. But it's not biblical.

[Top Lobster]

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[Top Lobster]

Hinging on the intention of the recipient of the baptism. So I almost feel like, like it doesn't matter who is there conducting it with you, it doesn't matter what body of water. It depends entirely on your belief in your faith and your desire for a relationship and to be redeemed, you know, through Jesus Christ. So do you think that that's accurate? I mean, if somebody said an impromptu because in very many ways it's like if you go to Vegas and you get married. I do think as long as you're making a, a proclamation before God, then it is what it is. And regardless of whether or not it's Elvis who's doing it and you're in this weird ass little place in Las Vegas, what's that say?

[Ed Ma]

God's not in Vegas. He's not, he's not there.

[Top Lobster]

He's. Well, I think he's massively disappointed every time you do it. But he's like, yeah, dude. I mean, that's the deal. If you really mean it, then that's the deal. Do you think that it matters, this, the, the grandiose level of ceremony associated with it or can it be done?

[David Lee Corbo]

I think the level of ceremony matters, but I think it's, it, it should be some, the person baptizing you should actually be someone with some type of, of authority and knowledge so that they're doing, they're doing what they're doing knowingly. And when you talk about, you know, Elvis and, and marrying people in Vegas, that's, that's state marriage, that's legal marriage according to our law, that the marriage to God is a commitment that you make. You know, you don't, you don't need to. Basically, we, we may have talked about this before, but sex is marriage, right?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's, that's how you seal the marriage covenant with God. So the thing in Vegas is more of a, you know, getting a license and getting whatever privileges, benefits and detriments with marriage.

[Top Lobster]

So maybe, you know, according to, they.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

So maybe. Okay, all right, all right, that's fair. All right, please continue.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, sure. So another thing, Hell is not, and I think we're gonna get, this is getting into something we talked about very early in the show about the controversy that Christians have with it. Hell is not annihilation. There are many Christians, even some I respect, who either believe it or entertain the idea that it's annihilation, meaning that you go to hell, inspire you, then you go poof, and then you don't exist anymore, as opposed to being eternal torment. And I think a lot of it, and I understand it actually because I have some issues with the, the concept that we've been taught about hell that I'm going to get into as we end this. But it's, it's basically people trying to be nicer than God, people saying, well, I can't believe that God would have people be tormented eternally. I mean, that's a long time. You're on Earth, 70, 80 years. Let's say you're not a good person or you just didn't accept Jesus. Is it really fair that you have to spend eternity, you know, being a charcoal briquette for, for that? So in order to mitigate that, they'll say things like, well, you know, it is fire, but you burn up in the fire, and then you just don't exist anymore. Problem with that. Problem number one is Bible is very clear that it's eternal. Secondly, we are spirit. Spirits do not, cannot go away. Spirits are eternal. You are a spirit inside of this flesh body, and you are going. You are. We are eternal. The real us. Our personality, our memories, you know, who we are, what we've experienced, that can never go away because it, it's outside of time. Time. You know, we know from relativity that time affects and is affected by mass acceleration and gravity, meaning that you have to have mass to be affected by physical time. Our, our spirits do not have mass, therefore they're not subject to time. They are eternal. Which is why the most important decision you can make is where you're going to spend that eternity. So it is not annihilation. And, but a lot of Christians believe it because it makes it, it makes it more palatable. It makes the idea of hell more palatable. And also, you know, there's their, their churches, like the emergent church, which, you know, was a really big deal in the 80s and 90s, is like the, the progressive churches who believe that, you know, that God is. God is so loving that he could never. That no one could. He could not have the concept of hell in his repertoire. So hell must have been made up by men later on because we believe that God is 100 love. Hell is not 100 love. Therefore God cannot be a part of that. And so they, many of them, many of them believe in what's called universalism, which is that all humans will eventually be saved. That, you know, Jesus was. Jesus is so big that, you know, he's gonna, he's gonna eventually save everyone. Which again would be unjust. Why would. If you reject him, how can, how can, how can you still be saved? I mean, if you don't want to be saved, how. He's. He's not going to force you. That would be unjust. But again, there are large swaths of Christians who, who buy into it. And I think most of us, most Christians just tacitly believe it because we don't think about it, don't like to think about hell. It's not pleasant, it's Not a pleasant subject. The thought of eternity. We. The thought of eternity. Suffering is not something that we think is palatable. And I'm going to get to that because I have a problem with it as well, because that's the idea that. Yeah. So we also went to the attorney. Eternal parts. I. I'll get to that, into my problem with it when I. When I describe what I think hell is like. But let me get on just to two more and then I'll. Then I'll let you guys give your feedback. And that two things about Hell. Hell is what it is, a separation from God. I think we've. I've talked about that ad nauseam. It means you are. You've deliberately separated from. It's not just a place of torment where God is going to be pointing at you, how you. Look what you did. You deserve this. No, you're just. God's going to be as far away from you as possible. It's separation from him. And hell is dark. That's another thing, because God is light and there's no darkness in him at all. First John 1:5. That's going to be really important when we get to the difference between heaven and hell and what those two realms are like, which, which we're going to do on this show. But hell is going to be dark. You're. You're not going to be seeing people suffer alongside you. If you're in hell, I don't think, because there won't be light there, you're going. It's going to be dark.

[Top Lobster]

That's interesting because that really lends itself to this, like, hopelessness aspect because there is a camaraderie and suffering. Right. Like group suffering. I know this is a really crap analogy, but working out by yourself is difficult. I do mma. And there's something about suffering alongside a group where we're all, you know, on our stomachs or, you know, we're all planking or something like that. And I'm looking around the room, looking at everybody tremble and some people are giving up. Yeah, exactly. At least I'm not that guy. It does. You somehow can derive strength from. From other individuals, even if you're all suffering together. And so it would almost make sense. Like, yeah, there's nothing for you to grasp onto here.

[David Lee Corbo]

So the last thing, the last myth. And I'm. Of what hell is not. Or. Well, actually I can talk about what hell is. I can get to that book. So I think I'm done with what hell is not what hell is. In addition to being dark and separated from God, hell isn't. This is pretty obvious. Hell is hot. So it says you the, the lake of fire, Gehenna is, it says a lake that burns with fire and brimstone. Brimstone was the, is the word for sulfur, the element sulfur. And sulfur burns at about 450 degrees. That's, you know, pretty hot. And the reason that it was that hell is called Gehenna is Gehenna was an actual place outside Jerusalem. It was where they would burn their trash. So, you know, it's not like, you know, today where we can. A trash truck comes and takes our stuff to a landfill. Back then they would take their trash outside the city and set it on fire. But that fire never went out because people were always adding to it. So that was kind of the idiom that Jesus used to describe hell as always burning, always being on fire. Because Gehenna, that trash dump, was always forever burning. So hell is going to be hot.

[Top Lobster]

Hot.

[David Lee Corbo]

But here is the thing. Hell will be hot, but it's not going to be as hot as we think. In fact, hell is not going to be the hottest place in eternity. Okay, I got your attention. Interesting. So here's the thing. I have, I've had a problem with hell.

[Ed Ma]

Oh, these guys are rough out here. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

There you go.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

So I been a Christian like most of my life and I've understood the concept of hell, but it's always bothered me tremendously because it frankly, if I'm being honest, it doesn't seem fair. It doesn't seem just. If you've ever burned yourself. I have. I've gotten as second degree burn because what happened? I did something really dumb. I had this portable pizza oven out I have in my backyard. It's a tabletop pizza oven and thing gets really high, gets like up to 900 degrees. You know, you can put a pizza in there, it cooks in like 60 seconds. So I was, I was having the pizza, having a party, a bunch of folks were over 4th of July, something like that. And I'm just, you know, shoving pizzas in, pizzas in, you know, getting everybody their pizza turned out. The table, I had it on, the legs weren't stable and it started to tip down and I saw my expensive pizza oven sliding across the table. And I'm like, no. And I just instinctively reach out and grab it. Oh, dude, that was.

[Ed Ma]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Right again. Yeah, but only for like maybe a second, two at the most. And that was excruciating. That 2 sec those 2 seconds. And then afterwards it got even worse. Because you know, when you get burned, that pain does not go away for a while.

[Top Lobster]

Such a crazy pain. I used to be a welder and the amount of burns that I sustained, it's the most insufferable pain. Because yeah, it doesn't dilute, it just, just stays like. It feels like your skin's on fire for, I don't know, like a next 24, 48 hours.

[David Lee Corbo]

You have to have to keep a cold pack on it constantly. The second you take that cold pack off, it's like you, like you're back in the fire.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

And again, that was me touching it for two seconds. Imagine touching, holding it for a minute, 10 minutes, an hour, a day, a month, a week, a year. That seems indescribable pain. And while there are people who, who have lived who I believe deserve some torment, you know, the sex traffickers, the gun runners, the people who, you know, the Hitlers, the Stalins, all. All these horrible people throughout history.

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

So how do we deal with this? Well, let's look at what God is. God I. I quoted 1st, 1st John 1:5 before. God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. Meaning God is 100 pure light. What is light? Light is energy, when you really get down to it. So the realm of the heavens, the spiritual realm, is energy. It's energy and consciousness. It's what the mystics call the ethers. This is this realm of unlimited energy, that spiritual energy. So energy is hot. God is called in the Bible a consuming fire. When Moses, I think, I believe it's in the book of Exodus, he asks, he says God guided him through the tent plagues, and he's talking to him on the mountain. And Moses says, I want to see you. And God said, you can't, because no flesh can be in my presence and live. But what I'll do is I will hide you in like the cleft of a rock in the side of a mountain, and I will pass by and you can see the trail end of me.

[Top Lobster]

That's so crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And so he does. And what Moses sees is a burning furnace. God is hot, meaning that the realm of God is hot, meaning that heaven is going to be hot. Not just hot. It's going to be the hottest place in eternity. My supposition, and this is really controversial, I always get pushback on this. Heaven is going to be hotter than hell. Wait a minute. What does that mean for us in heaven? Well, in heaven, in the new Jerusalem, we are going to be in the presence of God. We're going to be in presence of that unlimited energy. The angels, the Elohim, are described in Isaiah as being made of fire. The seraphim, they're referred to being made of fire. So our consciousness is energy as well. When you get an EKG on, on your brain, what's it measuring? It's measuring the electrical output of your thoughts. So your thoughts, the real you, light, energy, fire. And. But when we are in the presence of God, we're going to be happy. We're going to be. We're going to be what we were meant to be. So that means that whatever we're made of spiritually will be able to, not just withstand the energy, the heat, as it were, of being in the presence of God. We're going to bask in it. We're going to enjoy it. It's where we were meant to be. Be. It's, it's our home. It's our spiritual home.

[Top Lobster]

We just need the right form.

[Ed Ma]

Let me, let me ask a question. Yeah. Because that's what it seems like. It seems like. So the constitution of the angels allows them to be next to God and the ones that are closer to him have a higher position because they are closer in proximity. So it's like, and I'm thinking about the Tower of Babel, why they, these, the people, the Nephilim, the fallen that we're trying to get into Heaven could not be allowed to. And he's like, I gotta knock down your tower or your Stargate or whatever you're doing. Because right if, like, could you actually cause some trouble the closer you get to this thing, like, do you have more power? The closer. This thing being God, that is just this source. This source, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know what that also reminds me of, by the way? It reminds me of the idea of the jinn who are often described as smokeless fire. It also reminds me of that entity that our buddy Colin saw, this blue guy that, the way he described it sounds like he's made of plasma, which in some ways is like this crossover between fire and electricity and water. Something like that. I wonder if that is maybe if we ever got to the point where we can grasp these things intellectually that we might define them as like, yeah, their, their corporeal form is such that it is, is plasma and energy. It's kind of like fire. And the higher you go up in the ranking, the more pronounced that is quite possibly.

[David Lee Corbo]

But let's wrap it up with this because. Because again, if heaven, if the presence of God is the hottest place, then conversely, the further you're separated from God, the colder you are. So what does that mean? But, but wait a minute. Heaven is hot. It will be 450 degrees. That is going to be significantly colder than what the presence of God is going to be like. So here's the thing. What is the torment of hell? It will be. It'll be hot. Why will, why will it be hot? Because there will be spirits there. Energy will be there. Our spirits. Not our spirits, but the spirits of people who. There, the spirits of the fallen angels will be there. So that's why I believe that there will be heat there. However, it's going to be colder than heaven. So what's the torment of hell? The torment of hell is spending eternity knowing that you are less than what you were meant to be. You were meant to be in the all Consuming fiery energy. Presence of God in hell. You were going to be separated from that for eternity. You're going to be outside of that and you're going to know that I could have been where I was meant to be, in that presence of God, basking in that light. But instead I'm in this dark, colder place that I was never meant to be. It's like I believe that regret that you're going to have for eternity is true torment. And it's just because, again, it was your choice. You chose not to be in that presence and now you see what it is. And I believe that when you're in hell, yeah, I know this is going to be dark, but I think you're going to either be able to sense somehow that. That there is a heaven over there somewhere that I could have been a part of. And I chose not to. And because I chose not to, I'm going to spend eternity being less than that.

[Ed Ma]

It's like the day and the night. I mean, you know, some people would take this and inverge and be like, well, the sun is just a, you know, an allegory for God. But it's like, no, I think it just mirrors itself. It's the same story being told. We were out under the moon a couple months ago and it was like daylight outside, but it's putrid daylight. Yeah, it's like a cold light, you know, so there's something there. There's an energy source, but it's disgusting. I'd much prefer the warm sun on my face. That kind of feeling.

[Top Lobster]

And then.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's a good analogy.

[Top Lobster]

This is something that is not gonna fit. We're not gonna be able to do anything with this. So it's just something that I'm gonna throw out there. But Tila Tequila, just a transition.

[Ed Ma]

Tila Tequila second. Get out of here.

[Top Lobster]

So, so hear me out, guys, hear me out. Tila Tequila had like a mental breakdown. Basically got to the point where she's saying, more or less, the Illuminati are hunting me down. She becomes a full blown conspiracy extremist conspiracy theorist. Shout out to horseshoes and hand grenades. And she goes from being this like pop culture, you know, icon in MySpace to all of a sudden this really fringe, unhinged conspiracy theorist. And one of the things she said is that she met Jesus Christ and that he was a dragon. Now, I would say, you have no idea what you meant. But I'm also not discounting Teela Tequila's experience. I think she probably did see something. I've gotten to this point where I don't think I'm throwing people away when they say they saw something strange.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

The, basically what I'm getting at is the crossover between dragons, these serpentine fire breathing entities and these entities that we're describing, whether they're made of plasma, whether they're made of fire, there is a tremendous overlap there. There's something that she is having an experience with and she I think lacks the ability to describe what she's experiencing. I also think she's being deceived on some level by these things. Things. But I just. This conversation makes me look at that and go, well that is a valid piece of, of some puzzle. Some, you know, I don't think that she's lying.

[David Lee Corbo]

In other words, there's a class of angels called the seraphim. The seraphim are reptilian Seraph means. It means a snake. I believe these are. I don't know if I talked. I think I did talk about this when we talked about the throne room of God and you had the cherubim there and there were they rep. They seem to represent different parts of creation. You had one that looked like a man, one with the. Like a lion, one like an ox and one like a bird, like a bird. And they seem to represent the classes of creation. Men, carnivores, herbivores and avians. But of course there's one missing that would be cold blooded scaly creatures, fish and reptiles. But we also know that there's a cherub missing. Satan. He was a fallen cherub. We see that in Ezekiel chapter 28. He said he was the anointed. Anointed cherub that covers. So it would make sense that if there's one missing that has characteristics of reptilian and, and then Satan is called a dragon, then it's possible that you know, Satan, the nakash, the serpent, the so called serpent in the garden of Eden was that, that cheruba, that cherubim and that he. And that those were in his kind, his species of cherubim were the seraphim. And some of them, some of them fell and some of them didn't. We know there was some still, there's still some good seraphim because they're in heaven. The prophet Isaiah saw them in that vision. They were, they had six wings and they flew and they were fiery. What would you call a fiery winged reptile? It was a dragon.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, right. That's what I, I think there is some significance to.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I don't know if the one I Don't know if the one she saw was a good seraphim or a bad seraphim. I'm guessing probably a bad one.

[Top Lobster]

I think she has sex with her.

[Ed Ma]

Yeah. So it's a bad one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, that would be a bad one.

[Top Lobster]

It's a bad one.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's lying in women, but. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Right, right. So, I mean, I think there's something there. But. But I do think that dragons and the role that they play in this, there's. There seem to be an archetype in dreams as well. Like I've had two dreams about the same dragon. And then I found out that like, it's a very common thing to dream about dragons, which is fascinating. That it, that it's a thing that we think is mythological, but takes form symbolically, it seems in dreams. And, and it's something that comes up over and over again. It's, it's integral to the human experience. As far as our lore, our mythology goes. I think there's a lot to it that we're just misinterpreting.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, so to wrap up, I think that heaven is hotter than hell. And again, I could be wrong on this. I'm totally, this is totally my speculation. So, you know, if you don't, don't buy it. Let you know, marinate on it, see how it works with you. But it's not just something that I pulled out of my ass. There are other sources. Granted, it's a fictional source. You know, the Divine Comedy, Dante's Inferno. He. Where Dante goes through all the levels of hell. And the lowest level of hell, the worst level, is actually frozen. It's the. It's the realm where people who are traitors go. You know, Judas is there and so forth. The lowest level of hell is ice cold. And then you also have another book that's, you know, it's again, a fiction book, but it's by CS Lewis called the Great Divorce. And in the Great Divorce, it's. But it's basically a. A dream. I think. I think it was a. The. The fictionalization of a dream that C.S. lewis had about heaven and hell. And in that. In the dream you have people who were in hell, which was tiny, basically. They. Hell was like the size of a. Of an atom, and you have to be in. But people from hell could. Who could temporarily travel to heaven to talk to their loved ones. Again, it's fictional and they would have to be enlarged to come and talk to them. And then they had. Then if they didn't, they could choose to stay there or they would have to go back to hell. But hell was. Was depicted as cold, dark, rainy. So I don't know if they have some kind of insight, but it's not without precedent.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that sounds to me, because when we're talking about heat, I'm like, I like heat. Obviously, I don't like getting burned. But, you know, it wasn't until you mentioned that, that I'm like, that sounds miserable. I cannot stand in the dark. Dark.

[Ed Ma]

You ever had frostbite? And like, in comparison to a burn, it's like very similar.

[Top Lobster]

Very similar. Yes. I took a can of duster when I was a kid and I turned it upside down. It's. It's, you know, it shoots out some sort of like something equivalent to like freon or something. And. And it turned my skin black. I sprayed it all over my arm and killed. All the skin on my arm turned black.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But it felt like a burn.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. Yeah. And the other thing is that in the book of Isaiah, I forgot to bring the. The actor chapter, chapter, verse up. It's. It basically describes heaven as being the same temperature as this. As this reflection off the moon, which I know sounds. It doesn't make any. If you're not thinking about it. Okay, Just. You Just go past that, besides that, looked at that and, and they've determined that the temperature would be well over a thousand degrees, which again would be hotter than sulfur, which is 450 degrees. So. Yeah, and you know, go ahead and I, if you're interested in this, Google Heaven Hotter than Hell. You will find several documents that will mention this, that and the verse in Isaiah. I think it'll be hotter than a thousand degrees. But that's again a, another example of how heaven is depicted as hot even in the Bible.

[Ed Ma]

Right. But it's also a thing of like with, with this skin, with your body right now you're not meant to handle that kind of heat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Ed Ma]

With, with your corporeal form. I feel like that would, it would resonate with you. You'd want that, you'd want the light bouncing because you'd be able to like reflect that off yourself or however that that works.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, keep in mind that we won't, there won't be physical bodies in hell. There'll be spirits. So, so that's where people who have the annihilation theory said well you know, a human body couldn't stand that heat 450 degrees when we'd burn up in a few minutes. But it's going to be all spirit. So your, the physical body, you can't really use that as a determination of not only of, of how the heat will, how we'll react to the heat, but also what, how we'll experience it. Maybe the pain will be different. Remember I compared to the searing pain that I had when I physically touched my pizza oven. But I have a physical hand. I don't know how a spirit will experience that kind of heat. So if I'm wrong, which I could very well be, and hell is just hot torment and, and the torment is, is that heat being hotter than you can stand, well then maybe you're maybe in our, in the spirit realm. Maybe a spirit can, has a different capacity for experiencing the heat of hell. That would be the counter argument to my hell being cold, colder than heaven theory, I think.

[Ed Ma]

I mean I've often seen hell depicted as like, you know, they'll depict it as, as hot or whatever. But one of the things you always hear is like, like just moaning of, of everybody that's there. It's just, but it's not like screaming out in pain. It's just like I messed up. Like it's like a long moan like for eternity of I knew what I could have had. And I feel like that's the real, that's the real suffering, the physical things that we try to equip, you know, make examples of. I don't know that they matter because I don't think we really understand what it is to be in that form.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't? Well, because one thing I didn't say it's one of the myths, is that hell is occupied. Hell is not current hell. The Lake of Fire is not currently occupied. There's no one there yet. Hades we talked about before, Hades is occupied. But no one is in hell. No one is currently in Gehenna. The first people, the first entities that will be cast there will be the Antichrist and the false prophet. We see that at the end of Revelation, chapter 19, and then at the end of the millennial reign, then it says that, you know, the Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are. They're still there a thousand years later. Which again argues against the whole annihilation theory. So I would just say he, Satan was tossing through the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were. Says where they are, there's. They're still there after a thousand years. So we know it lasts at least that long.

[Top Lobster]

Even that brings up a lot of questions too, this idea of Satan being casted into the lake of fire. I've become pretty comfortable with the idea of Satan being this, this title for the accuser. I wonder which entity, if it is the way I'm thinking, which entity that's occupying that title.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is, it's the original, it's the, the serpent. Because in reason I, we can, we can know that is because in Revelation chapter 12, which is that vision that, that John is given of the woman clothing the sun with this, with the moon under her feet, stars around her head, and she's giving birth and, and she's about to be about in the head and the dragon is there to devour the baby. And it says, this is the dragon, the serpent of old, who we call the devil and Satan. So it's that one. The Apostle John is clearly saying, it's the service, it's the nakash of old. This is the ancient one. So this is the, this is the entity that tempted Eve and Adam in the Garden of Eden.

[Top Lobster]

This is the biggest.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. This is the. In chief.

[Ed Ma]

So here's a question for you. Is he going to be given back that title? And then will him and that title be gone? Like, will there be a need for an accuser?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't believe so, because we'll talk about this. Thank you for that question. That's actually, I'll make it a part of our next episode because the question will be, you know, what are we going to be like in hell? Are we going, excuse me, what are we going to be like in the New Jerusalem? Are we going to be perfect but we never make a mistake? I think this is controversial because I think we will make mistakes. We won't sin, we will make mistakes, but we will be able to repair from those mistakes because they won't be intentional. We've talked before about, I think, Raven, you brought up the idea of why can't the Nephilim ever be saved? Why can't the fallen angels ever repent? And there's two reasons. Number one, Jesus didn't die for them, and number two, when they sinned, they did it with full knowledge of all the implications. They occupy a higher dimension than us. You know, physicists right now say that the universe occupies up to 10, 11 dimensions. We only experience four, you know, length, height, depth and time. So these entities were probably experiencing greater levels of dimensionality than, than we do. I mean, think about, Sorry about that. Imagine the difference between our three dimensional world that we experience and a two dimensional world. Like, you know, I'm older than you guys. When I, when, when I was playing video games as a kid, they were, they were kind of two dimensional. You know, I had, I would play, I was playing Space Invaders and Donkey Kong and Pac man and those kind of games when I was, you know, know, when I was first playing video, you know, then, then they graduate up to Nintendo and it compare that to like, I don't know, Call of Duty or the stark difference between the two, what you're able to experience, how much more immersive that world is. So just going up one dimension from two dimensions to three dimensions, it's, it's unfathomable how much more you're able to observe and perceive. So if you, if you're an angelic being and you're maybe occupying 7, 8, 9, 10 dimensions, you see everything. That's why when the, when the fallen angels saw the women of, of Earth, they said, you know, they saw that the women were. The word it's used in the Bible is fair or beautiful. That's a misinterpret, mistranslation. It basically meant, it said that they thought that they were fit extensions, that they saw these women say, you know what, we can have kids with them. They were able just to perceive that based on their dimensionality that they would be able to Impregnate them and have. Have these. These Nephilim children. My point is that when they did this, they did it with full knowledge. In the Book of Enoch, where it names some of these angels of Bell, they went into it saying, God's not going to like this. And so that's why they made this pact with each other. Simiyaja, who was their leader, said, I don't want to do this by myself. Are you guys going to be with me? If so, you got to take an oath that you're going to suffer the penalty for this with me. And they took the oath, and they did so. They knew what they were doing, doing. So you cannot repent if you know that, if you are completely aware that of all the consequences of what you were doing.

[Top Lobster]

That's interesting, because we look at it sometimes in a reductive way where it's like they were just looking at these women and they were like, you know, they're hot. I'm trying.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but.

[Top Lobster]

And instead, this actually opens up something much different when you talk about the punishment that they talk about in the Book of Enoch, where they're going to be forced to watch their children kill one another and destroy one another. If their actual desire was children of their own, creation of their own, a lineage of their own, then that. That punishment is actually a lot more impactful because it takes it from this narrative where it's just like they were just.

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[Top Lobster]

It for the debauchery of it. In it to have sex with women and to rule over men and to, you know, to receive that worship. But if it really was for the creation aspect, to be parents, you know, to have offspring and then to watch those offspring tear each other apart also it kind of speaks to in some ways what a gift that is that these are willing to see as much as they. They see and still risk that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, they talk in a sec Topic what they were doing. Basically, they, they wanted what God had. God created human beings, part physical, part spiritual. They're like, we want that too. We can't create like Jehovah, like Yahweh can create. But with these women here, we can impregnate them and we can have our own offspring. And they can, they could drive, they can, you know, destroy God's offspring and we can have dominion over the earth again. I think they had dominion of the earth in the pre creation period in Genesis chapter one one, which I'm, I'm going to spend, I'm spending a couple of episodes on in my Genesis series. I'm going to talk about angels, a couple in episode four and what. But I believe that they ruled over the physical creation at first. Then they, there was rebellion there. They were taken out. And then God said, okay, I need to create man. Something a little lower than these angels because when they screw up, I want them to be able to repent and come back to me. These angels can't. They know, they know too much. They can't repent. They're not perfect. So I need to make something that is less perfect so that if they. So when they make mistakes, they at least have, you know, I'm gonna say plausible deniability. But they can say, hey, you know, we didn't know. So we can, they can repent and say, okay, sorry about that. I'm gonna do right next time.

[Top Lobster]

Wow.

[Ed Ma]

That's why like the idea of backsliding in the church is. It's like a heavy crime or even a blaspheming. But I think we discussed what blasphemy is. But there, there's a, there's a level of understanding when you blaspheme God because you're, it's not saying like God damn it, like that's not necessarily it. It's when you're talking, you know intimately what he is and you go out of your way to deny him or trick Other people and Right. In what he is.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then Billy Carson, knowing Billy Carson, this guy knows. And he is intentional. I mean, we talked, we were talking before the show about this 3 hour rant he went on after he got destroyed by that guy west in the interview. And one of the things he said implicitly is that he wants to just. He said he wants to destroy Christianity. He deliberately says that he thinks Christians are stupid. The Bible is, is dumb, it's bad. And he wants, he wants to. That is his intent.

[Top Lobster]

Even us, though, Ed.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

It's like you look at it and you go, we are willing to accept that Billy Carson was wrong. If Billy were to say, like, I have made a mistake.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I misinterpreted this thing. I thought that I was on the correct path. It seems that I've actually been, you know, horribly far from the mark.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

The narrative changes entirely in our own opinions, just human beings where we look at that and go, if you're doing it maliciously, if you are knowingly deceiving people, that is. And now where the actual trespassing that is. Is nearly unforgivable, you know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Yeah. If he had come out like you said, and said, you know what? This guy Wes, he's a, he's a scholar. And what she did. And if you watch the, some clips of the, of the video of the debate.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, he's freaking out. He's spiraling.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, he's. He's broken. He came out and he, he acquiesced to West a couple times. Okay, well, if you say it's a fraud, I'll, you know, I'll go with that. That. And I thought, okay, well, maybe he's coming around. But if he come out and say, you know what? This guy schooled me. I see that, you know, the one of the books I was using was a forgery, you know, my bad guys. But he can't because he wants to hold on to his power and his wealth.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he's chosen that over God. And so he, he's doubled down. He. Dude is mentally. He's mentally damaged at this point.

[Ed Ma]

I mean, something about it. Like when he, when he answered our question on Luke's show, it's like you could tell, like, he really, like, his eyes glimmer a little bit. He's like, oh, they're talking about Jesus Christ. I'm gonna deny it.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm.

[Ed Ma]

It's like it's like a drug to him, like, to deny Jesus Christ. Whereas, like, you know, if you do, it's for me, I'm like, I think you're wrong. Neither here nor there.

[David Lee Corbo]

For me.

[Ed Ma]

And I'm not going to go out of my way and, like, get high on denying other religions. I just don't think that they're right. But this guy, it's a. There's another level of it.

[Top Lobster]

And what's even more messed up about it is if he did do that, if he was like, hey, guys, I've built a career off this thing. I've had this pivotal moment. I need to pull back, do some research, I'll come back. And if he came back and he was like, this is what I found out, and I think there's a lot of validity to Christianity and I've been mistaken. Christians would welcome him in. Wow, how great is it to have you, you know, have this experience and don't worry, come on over. What the other people would do outside, they would call him a grifter. They would call them, oh, you. So, so the Anunnaki didn't work for you, and now that you can't make money that way, now you're gonna make money off of Jesus Christ. And, and people like me, I would go, let's. Let's let him cook. Let's see what he does.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

You know, and, and so it's just, it's ridiculous because it is right there. All you have to do is just go, hey, man, I think that I've been looking at this thing the wrong way, which, like, hey, hey, we're all trying to figure it out. And, and there's been so much obfuscation, so much purposely hidden history and information from us. Who can blame people when they're wrong? You know, he would be welcomed.

[David Lee Corbo]

I just don't think he, he has not demonstrated. I'm not. I can't judge him. I don't know, maybe. Maybe one day he'll turn it around. I. It's tough to see, but he doesn't. He does not seem to currently possess the level of humility that it would require to do that. I don't. I don't know what else would have to happen to him for him to be, to, to be humbled because he, again, he, he speaks in an authoritative tone and he's. I'm the, I'm the foremost expert in all the blah, blah, blah, in ancient civilizations and histories and tablets and whatnot. And. Yeah, but the tablets you talk about doesn't exist, dude. This. Tablets of Thoth, they don't exist.

[Ed Ma]

At this point, with somebody like that, we, we know what has to happen to him? It's if. If you're actually going to turn this around, he's got it. He's the type that's got to be stripped. If I'm. If I'm the type that's got to be stripped, you got, you know, God has to strip you naked and give you a spank on the butt and be like, stupid. That's what you needed.

[David Lee Corbo]

You have to lose everything.

[Top Lobster]

From my perspective, I would look at him like, if he went through that process, I would go, that's crazy, man. So, like, let's talk about it. Like, come on the show. Treat you like a regular human being. Like, you've got a body of information that is fascinating. I would love to know the ways in which you were wrong, what you still think might have some validity. Like all these different things. Like, let's have a conversation. I'd be so into that. I don't. It's job. It's God's job to strip you and spank you. It's my job. Oh, yeah.

[Ed Ma]

I'm not going to do it.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not going to do it. I just want to, you know, if you want to talk, I want to talk to you. That's it.

[Ed Ma]

It looks like he's. You're well on your way, though, sir.

[David Lee Corbo]

You're.

[Ed Ma]

And it's by your own. By your own doing. So I'll just watch, I guess, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's it.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right. But, yeah, that's. That's all we got for hell.

[Top Lobster]

All right, awesome. So let's get into a little bit. Where are we going next week?

[David Lee Corbo]

So next week, now that all the bad stuff's out of the way, and we are going to start talking about Heaven and the new Jerusalem. And I probably do two episodes on it. I think I want to talk in the first episode, just like I did with this. Some mythology around it. What are the myths? Because, you know, there's myths about Heaven and the New Jerusalem just as much as there are myths around hell. So I want to talk about those and then talk about what it is. And we'll read some scriptures because, you know, the last two chapters of. Of Revelation really deal with this. And so I went. And there's some very vivid descriptions of what the New Jerusalem is going to be like. And, you know, we'll talk through some of those.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then in the last one, we're really going to focus on our purpose. What is. What is eternity going to be like? Because hopefully if you're there, you want to know, because it's interesting. I don't know who said this. Maybe it may have been C.S. lewis. He said, we have this idea. I'm paraphrasing him. We have this idea of a hell we can justify, but a heaven that we can't or that we don't. In other words, we seem to understand hell way more than we seem to understand heaven. It's true, because we all know that we're not perfect. We all know that justice exists and we all know that evil has to be judged. We can wrap our minds around that. What we have more trouble wrapping our minds around is, okay, well, if I'm on the good side, what am I going to be doing for eternity? So yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, so that's forward to to that, I guess. Next week's that'll be 22 episode 22 well, thank you Ed, for your time. I think this was a great conversation. One more time for the people. Let them know where they can find your work.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, faithbyreason.net is the place to go again. The first two episodes of the Genesis series is up. The third should be up up probably by early next week, if not this weekend. And yeah, you can go to my YouTube channel, my rumble channel. The YouTube channel has the as the Genesis series. I'm still catching up on the Revelation series on on my Rumble Channel. So I'm just putting those up every week. And yeah, put up. I'm gonna keep going on X and putting a few things up there. And yeah, that is how we do it.

[Ed Ma]

I just don't see how somebody could scroll across that thumbnail and not click. What is going on in this thumbnail?

[Top Lobster]

Guys, like we said at the beginning of the show, if you find all this fascinating, if the Book of Revelation series that we're doing is a good tool for you and you're looking for a deeper dive, then faithbyreason.net is exactly where you want to be because we jump into it so much an hour and a half per episode. But the body of research that's presented here on faithbyreason.net is a lot more expansive than what we can manage to get into in an hour and a half slot. So if you're into it, that's where you want to be.

[David Lee Corbo]

And if you want to, you want to help, help me out, then please like subscribe and share on every video because that that just keeps, you know, that grows the audience and you know, it keeps keeps me in the algorithms for people who are who I want to see this and I think who.

[Ed Ma]

Need to subscribe to his audio as well. I think that's going to be a really important tool for you moving forward. You. It's the same thing. Faith by reason on all the podcasters. That's where I listened to the Book of Revelation. It was easy because I don't like to sit in front of a screen. So I did it as I was doing stuff. Maybe my kids are running around, I got one ear in. I'm listening to Ed talk about the Book of Revelation, and I'm going, but yeah, give him some views there. Subscribe to him there as well. And that could be another key to success to open up this door and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Just remind me I need to strip the audio out of those first two episodes and make them podcasts, because I haven't done that because I'm using a different. I'm doing different. Using different software. I used to record my audio separately and then throw the video clips, but now that I'm like, you know, doing both video and audio at the same time.

[Ed Ma]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

I have. I. I gotta. I gotta strip the audio out and make that a separate podcast.

[Ed Ma]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

All right. Is that what it. Is that it? Is that all we got?

[Ed Ma]

That's all we got for today. We're gonna be back at 3pm Eastern Standard Time with Brian and we're gonna debunk Christmas. Now, we're going to talk about Christmas and I'm not sure what angle he's going to come at it about, but it's going to be a, you know, live for 30 minutes and the patient results. Oh, that's right, poll results. Let's check this before we go, Ed.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, They've never done this before.

[Ed Ma]

Let's see. Are you. We. Are you going to hell? 93% said no.

[Top Lobster]

Good. I hope so, guys.

[Ed Ma]

Not good enough.

[Top Lobster]

But I. I hope you're working on it. You know, better safe than sorry. Strengthen that relationship. Get right.

[Ed Ma]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Some people do like the cold.

[Ed Ma]

That's right. Until next time, guys. Remember, obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.

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