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In the Shadow of Goliath w/ William Blesch
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What if the story of David and Goliath is far deeper than most Christians realize? In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts David Lee Corbo (The Raven) and TopLobsta sit down with William Blesch to explore the biblical, theological, and...
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David Lee Corbo
they never went away they're still here today. Level up, Death Squad. When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack Level up, Death Squad. Level up. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. What's up, guys? Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. A great place to support us. Patreon.com/now/nephilim death Squad. Sign up there. Gain early access to episodes before the general public ad, free listening experiences, access to communities on telegram, on Twitter, and on Discord. It's always so hard to remember where those. Probably Facebook. I don't know, maybe they're there too. Also, discount codes off of merchandise from Top Lobster.com where not only you're gonna find all of our merch, but you're also gonna find tickets to Bohemian Grove that is August 8th in Wildwood, Florida. Performances from all the familiar faces from basically the show's history. All the friends that we've made are going to be there. It's.
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Bretzky
We may have, like, some extra, extra special guests coming. I mean, it's just getting.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, we definitely have an extra special secret guest.
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Bretzky
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
That we can't disclose who they're going to be, but you're not going to want to miss this. Go and get your tickets to the General Admission Day, August 8th, Wildwood, Florida. Bohemian Grove on top lo joining us today is William Blesh. Will, it's a pleasure to have you. Before we get into this conversation, let's talk about what it is you focus on and where people can find your work.
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William Blesh
First of all, thank you so much for having me to begin with. Where people can find me, they can find me. At williamblesh.com bless is b L-E-S c-h.com and then on. On Facebook, I'm like, I just got done telling you guys. I'm super approachable. People can just put up my name into the search bar and boom, voila, there I am. So.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I'm. I'm very excited to get into this conversation almost serendipitously. Serendipitously.
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Bretzky
That's not the correct application of the word.
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David Lee Corbo
We'll just pretend it is. Can we all pretend it is? By. By happenstance. There we go. This morning I was doing a little bit, like, really kind of cursory study on Goliath.
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David Lee Corbo
And how can I guess how, like,
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Bretzky
this conversation went in your head?
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David Lee Corbo
Sure.
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Bretzky
Did he say something like, I bet you I can kill him?
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David Lee Corbo
No, I did not say, I bet you I can kill him. Although that was a lot of the conversation. I was reading, you know, posts from people that were saying in some of the earliest manuscripts, I guess maybe the Dead Sea Scrolls, Goliath is said to have only been 6:9. Well, later translations come up to 9, 9, 9 foot 9 inches. And of course, if he's 6:9, then there's a bunch of people on the Internet speculating like, well, I think I probably could have killed him as well. So, you know, it's a fascinating conversation and one that comes up often here, but I don't know that we've ever gone into a tremendous amount of detail. So, Will, where do you want to start this conversation?
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William Blesh
I am okay with starting it wherever you guys want to start it. Like, there. There's so many different things that I talk about in, in the book itself that it's just like, it's. It's a really rich, you know, Subject for exploration. So I'm, I'm easy.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, let's, let's do this then. What compelled you to create the book? I mean, what is the seed that then blooms into this, this tree that is your book?
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William Blesh
Okay, so the book itself is called in the Shadow of Goliath, right? And the whole concept, it's kind of like a metaphor for where I think we are today. Goliath was representative. He was a remnant of the Nephilim, right? And these were hybrid beings that were created through an unholy union between angelic beings and human women. And it was not sanctioned by God. These were rebels, you know, basically cosmic rebels, non human entities, right? And they did something that was against the divine order. And that rebellion was really like expressed verbally in the things that Goliath happened to say when he's standing there against Israel and against David. All this, all the boasting and all of the arrogance and the anger and the hatred that he was expressing against Yahweh, the God of Israel, it's something that has never actually gone away. Goliath himself was defeated and got his head cut off. But that same rebellion is still here. It's still active in the world today. And all of us have been born right into the middle of this ongoing cosmic war and we're standing in the shadow of that evil. That's what, that's, that's, that's the concept behind the, the title and the overarching, like, direction for the investigations that I undertook.
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David Lee Corbo
That's a familiar concept, this idea that we're almost experiencing the echoes of that very moment when Ecclesiastes says there's nothing new under the sun. That's something that we can't get out of our mouths. We're saying that constantly on this show. In fact, recently with the revelations regarding sort of UFO disclosure in the Epstein files. You know, these, these ideas ruffle a lot of feathers. And for some people it's paradigm shattering to find out that there are those who are in positions of power who are communing with, you know, ancient spirits or ancient gods or that there are entities and technologies that are being introduced to mankind. And I'm looking at all of it like it's not much of a revelation really. It's just the world, the world as it's always been. I think the thing that's happened instead of these things being revealed to us, that's not really groundbreaking. What is groundbreaking is that they manage to obscure the nature of the world from us for so long because all of These things that we're being introduced to currently are echoes of the Bible. These are just things that, you know, the ancient world seem to be much more familiar with than we currently are. So it's a. You hide it from us and, and then you pull the curtain back. And for a lot of people, it's, like I said, paradigm shattering. But it's always been. The world has always been that way.
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Bretzky
Well, can I, Can I ask a question? This might seem like, rudimentary or, I don't know, kind of stupid, but Biblically, I think Goliath says that he defies the ranks of Israel. Right. And. But, but that is like, that's extrapolated. I take it also as, like, I defy the God of Israel.
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William Blesh
I believe he. Yeah, I believe he actually says I defy the God of Israel. I think that's actually, that's actually a quote.
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Bretzky
Yeah, I'm trying to remember exactly. But it's just, it's. It's funny because that is very much the attitude of the world today. Like, as you're describing it right now, every time I see something that flies in the face of. I, I mean, I was just explaining to my son, unfortunately, my son's 6 and in a game that he's playing, they had like rainbow flags and stuff. And I'm. I had to explain to him, like, well, you know, now I have to have this conversation about sexuality with you and explain what it is from this point of view. And it, I don't know, it's just, it was. It's a bit uncomfortable. And I, like, it's not one that I want to have, but in, in a sense, I'm telling them that, well, the rainbow seemed to be a promise from God and now it seems to mean something else. And it, it screams that same thing. It's. It's an echo from that where I defy the God of Israel to now I defy his promise. Like, it's, it's just a shadow. Like, it. Sorry, like an echo through time. And yeah, I think you're right. We're dealing. We're dealing with this all over again or never stop dealing with it, possibly.
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William Blesh
I think that's absolutely true. And I also think going back to what you said a moment ago about, you know, it being paradigm shattering, the whole idea of disclosure. The only people I think that is really paradigm shattering too are uber religious people that are, you know, whether they're Jews, Christians, they come from a Judeo Christian background, but that's based on tradition. And it's not Necessarily based on what the Bible itself actually has to say. There are like the whole idea that, you know, we're alone in the universe and this kind of. That's not what the Bible says. It never says that even one time. And it flat out shows that we are, you know, that there are other beings, non human entities that are, you know, that they have free will. They come and they deliver messages. And how do we know that they have free will? Well, if there's, if you believe that Satan is an angel and that angel convinced other angels to join into a cosmic rebellion against God. Unless you think God ordered these angels to rebel against himself, they chose, they made a choice to go against the, the king of all creation. Right. And so we have these non human entities who were around before humanity existed, who were around actually before the earth was created. Because in the book of Job it says the morning stars saw the creation of the earth and they sang together for joy when it happened, when God created it. So you have these super ancient beings who are not from Earth, who are not us, and who are having as intelligent as us. Some of them look like us and you know that they have free will just like we do. So in the, in that, you know, if you understand that, then the Bible itself already provides a framework for understanding the fact that, hey, we're not alone in the universe. So when somebody else comes along and says, you know, you have some president or some other, you know, you have the Pope, whoever comes along and says, we have indisputable evidence that mankind is not alone in the universe. Okay, you know, that's, that's what, that's, that's how I think Christians should actually respond to that. The whole idea of disclosure right now would be like, okay, we already knew that because the Bible, the Bible already presents the evidence for it.
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David Lee Corbo
What do you think then, when you hear that, that kind of sentiment, Right. So, so obviously the Bible, there's so many different entities in the Bible. You have powers and thrones and dominions and archangels and cherubim and seraphim. This like list goes on and on. Devils, demons, unclean spirits, Nephilim. If you really started to draw all of the different things out of the Bible, you would find yourself with a handful of different terminologies that have nothing to do with humans. And yet the narrative that's unfolding is resoundingly, Christians are going to have a hard time with this. I mean, that's what we keep getting over and over again. Steven Spielberg maybe the best example of it. Yeah, specifically Christians and it's not like people aren't saying, well, Buddhists, Buddhists are going to have a hard time with it. You know what I mean?
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William Blesh
Like, it's, yeah, I understand what you're getting at, but I like, I, I do think some Christians, not, not all Christians. Like, I, I don't like calling myself a Christian. I like, I don't like labels, but I do consider myself to be a follower of Yeshua of Nazareth. The one in the Gospels. Right. Not the New age version one.
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David Lee Corbo
Not the Christ conscious one.
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William Blesh
That's right.
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David Lee Corbo
The Master one, specifically.
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William Blesh
Exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
Under the living God.
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William Blesh
Yeah, that's exactly right. But when it like flat out, man, like there, there are going to be some people, and I, like I said before, I do think they are more likely to be like the very traditional Christians and Jews as well, who have been brought up with church doctrine rather than getting into the Bible for themselves, reading the source texts for themselves. And yeah, I think that's, that's the biggest issue. The Bible says that my people perish from, for lack of knowledge. And people rely on their pastors, they rely on their Sunday school stuff. They rely on anything except sitting their butts down in a chair and reading God's word for themselves, getting an understanding of it and asking God to reveal himself to them personally through what they're reading. You know, and I, I think that's a, that's a huge problem. And for those people, it will be a problem when somebody comes around says, you know, we have evidence that mankind is not the only, you know, intelligence, higher intelligence in the universe. They're going to be like, well, God didn't say anything about this in, in the Bible. God didn't create any other, you know, being to, to rule planet Earth. And to that I would be like, yep, that's true. He didn't create any other being to rule planet Earth. But it doesn't say anything else about the heavens. You know, there's, so there's a lot of, of issues that arise from tradition and from church doctrine, things that have arisen over time that Jesus never said, Moses never said. You know, none of, none of the prophets ever said. There's a lot of extrapolation and personal interpretations which have been imposed onto the text rather than letting the text interpret the text, if you understand what I mean.
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Bretzky
Do you think that that's done? I agree with you. You think it's done purposefully or do you think that the modern church has just kind of slid into that over many years?
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William Blesh
No, I think it is a Development that, that began a long, long time ago. And I, I think honestly that it
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Bretzky
is
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William Blesh
the result of some. You would say in like traditional church circles, you'd say it's demonic. I would say it's probably some angelic, you know, fallen angel on orders from the main rebel dude began talking or whispering into the ears of certain theologians and their interpretations of scripture began to change. And there, and when it changed it, those things became popular and they flood, you know, they be, what's going on everyone?
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William Blesh
They became doctrine. And for an example on the Jewish side of things in the Middle Ages you had this particular rabbi who today is considered one of the towering figures in orthodox Judaism. His name was Moses Maya Manides. He's or he's also called Rambam. Well he was very steeped in Greek rationalism and he, he like that was the zeitgeist. It was like people were tired of having these supernatural explanations for everything and they wanted basically to, to have a more rational explanation. And so if you couldn't see it, touch it, you know, hear it, whatever, it's not actually real. So then what he does is he began writing biblical commentaries and he's look, taking a look at scriptures. You know, like when Abraham had the three guys who visited him at the Oak of Mamre, right, you have these two angels and the Lord. Well according to him, according to Rambam, like these kinds of things, they didn't actually really happen. It was a vision or it was a dream or it was something caught. You know, God caused Abraham to have this revelation inside his mind or it was all allegorical. It didn't, none of it actually really happened, right. And he began writing these kinds of things. He was majorly influential because he took these Greek ideas about angels, about the supernatural, the Greek rationalist thought in particular, and he began writing all of this stuff in Hebrew. So it began to be like he gave it a kind of legitimacy by taking these pagan ideas and then presenting them to the Jewish community in some, in the language that they're familiar with and comfortable with. Right. Then other. Certain, other rabbis began saying some of the same things. Interestingly though, there was. He had a major nemesis named Nachmanides who was. Who caught. Who basically said that it was forbidden to believe anything that Rambam wrote because it was. So he recognized it for what it was. Right. He's like, this is not. That's not the right interpretation. That's not what the Bible says.
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David Lee Corbo
I mean, it dramatically changes, fundamentally changes everything.
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Bretzky
Absolutely. How important this guy was. And I'm realizing in Allah, I was born in a hospital named after him.
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David Lee Corbo
Really?
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Bretzky
Yeah. In Brooklyn.
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David Lee Corbo
They still.
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William Blesh
Yeah, he said, yeah, Rambam, he be. He was. He was declared a heretic during his own lifetime. And so it's super ironic that he went on to become one of the most influential rabbis ever since the. Since the Middle Ages. Well around that same time, on the Christian side of things, some of the church fathers began doing the same thing. People like Thomas Aquinas, they began right in their writings. They began saying some of the exact same things that Rambam was saying on the Jewish side of things. And so what I personally think was going on is that there, there was a spiritual influence. There was a spiritual move to begin obfuscating what scripture actually says. And the lay people, you know, nobody goes around and actually studies this stuff for. For themselves. They're like, well, what does the commentary say? Yeah, and you know, and so they'll go and they'll start reading the. The church fathers or they'll start going and reading the. The Jewish sages. And instead of. And there. Don't get me wrong, I do think that there's value in. In commentary on both the Jewish side and on the Christian side of things. There were guys who did listen to God and there were guys who. Who had very logical explanations for the things that they were commenting on within scripture. But not everybody was like that. And there were guys who inserted particular theologies into the. The theological stream of thought that was going on. And those things began to sway the. The. It was like a wind that began to sway the opinions of the masses until you had these church leaders and synagogue leaders who solidified into church doctrine particular ideas that are just flat out not biblical whatsoever. And so today you have ideas like, by the way, I go over this in my book, I actually show, like, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, talk, step by step by step. You know, church doctrinal statements across the board, from the Catholic Church to the Eastern Orthodox churches to the Coptic Churches, the Ethiopian Church, charismatic churches, Protestant churches, Like tons and tons. And the doctrinal statements across the board agree that, for example, angels are completely incorporeal in nature.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
And they are without and not this. The second part is not across the board, but it's. It's in a lot of churches and seminaries, the idea that angels don't have free will, but it's part of church doctrine in lots and lots of places. And those, Those two, those two things right there are flat out contradicted in Scripture itself over and over and over again. And I. I go over that in the book as well, and I basically lay out a case for that. And that's actually, like, really important. It's important to understand where tradition and doctrine actually does contradict Scripture, because what scripture provides is an accurate picture of the reality that we all exist in, that we were born into. And what these church doctrines and synagogue doctrines as well have done, you know, they. They have changed things to such a degree that we have an. A false view of the world that we live in, the universe that we live in. And so what I wanted to do is, you know, set out to correct some of that stuff. How can you fight a war? How can you occupy. Yeah. How can you stand firm and lift God, you know, lift high God's holy standard if you're busy trying to do it with a world view that is just, you know, you. You're going to have the enemy just standing there laughing at you.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
Because you're not. You're not effective.
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David Lee Corbo
That's looking at the situation. It's. I don't want to attribute malice, Right, to these, to these church fathers or these, these intellectuals who, you know, interpreted scripture that way. I don't think it's any one man's fault. I. I go more to what you were saying, where there is this spirit that whispers in the ears of man. And, and it's. It's actually quite clever because what ends up happening is you strip the supernatural worldview entirely. And, you know, we are in the west in a materialistic paradigm with the sciences, and you almost have cast the same spell over the biblical narrative is this more materialistic view. And the world never stopped being supernatural. In fact, what drew me to the Bible was supernatural experiences. And I would go out and find testimony from other individuals who had supernatural experiences. And through that, I was able to parse together this greater picture that pointed to the Bible, that pointed to Scripture. And the reason I say that it's so clever is because if you can do that, well, it seems that we're in this time where we're going to reintroduce the supernatural. But you first had to decouple it from the biblical narrative in order to cast this great illusion over people where once you reintroduce the supernatural worldview, you know, in a really aggressive way, if they're going to do disclosure or any of these things that are going to come to pass, or let's say you've got, like we talked about earlier, the Epstein files and, and what's going on? Are they worshiping Moloch? And, and that's a little bit hard to decouple from the biblical narrative. Right. Because obviously you have Moloch in the Old Testament directly. Yeah. Mentioned directly. So that's going to be a hard one for them to pull off. And to me, these spirits that they're worshiping are directly connected to whatever we're going to get in disclosure. But my point is, if you can decouple it, make that supernatural element absent in the biblical narrative, reintroduce the supernatural, people are not going to be able to bridge that gap. I mean, some will, obviously, but it's going to be very advantageous for the Enemy to obscure its origins and to give us something entirely different through the lens of sci fi or whatever.
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Bretzky
This is a, again, I hate bringing up this, this argument. We had a debate with Timothy Albarino recently and we got sidetracked with I guess, the physical nature of angels. Like we, we asked him to define, define a demon, I think.
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David Lee Corbo
And that took 45 minutes. Yeah, that was the whole thing.
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Bretzky
And, but it ended up where you were talking about here with this materialistic view of what the prophets were seeing at the time, whether it's Ezekiel's wheel or maybe even. He didn't discuss Abraham seeing the three, the three angel, God and the two angels.
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David Lee Corbo
I think we even got onto that idea of the angels and a, a sexual drive and whether or not that's even possible because they're non corporeal. I, I forget exactly how that went.
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Bretzky
But he was, he was just saying that that's. Every time that that happens, that's purely allegorical. And I was like, yeah, I don't adhere to that because I read the Bible and I believe what the Bible says. I don't pick and choose when there's allegory.
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David Lee Corbo
And for me, I'm watching people in modern time have supernatural experiences that I do not believe are allegorical in any way, shape or form. And I believe there's biblical context for those experiences.
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Bretzky
Yes. Okay.
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William Blesh
Hey everybody.
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Bretzky
We had that, that bit of like a tug with him, but it does make sense because then he went on to explain that there was an example that he gave which was interesting and it came from a Jewish rabbi discussing Maras. Oh, the.
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William Blesh
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay.
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Bretzky
So, yeah, his interpretation from this, this rabbi was that Mirage was a planet and the planet decided to remain neutral in a battle against Israel. But the commentaries that I've read, and from what I understand, it seems like Mirage is a place and they just remain neutral and God was like, yeah, neutrality. Yeah, yeah.
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William Blesh
Okay. So that there's, there's actually two, two things here. All right? First of all, I, I'm not, I'm not exactly familiar with the, the conversation that you guys had with Timothy Albarino, but he is right. There is rabbinic precedent for the idea that Mirage is either a planet or a star system. Okay. And that is inhabited by intelligent beings that are not human. Okay. And the truth, like the, the second thing is that there is also commentary that makes Mirage just a. You know, there's debate over whether Mirage is a physical location somewhere in the Levant, somewhere probably around where I live with, like near the Kishon River. There's also debate about whether or not. So basically it was like, it could have been a village, a, a, like a town or whatever, where its citizens did not come to the aid of the Lord in battle. The problem with that view is that there is zero archaeological evidence for this particular. If Mirage was a town within one of Israel's locations, nobody has ever found it. Right. There's no found, no mentions of it, nothing. It's like a ghost. On the other hand, the. There's a ton of commentary surrounding the idea that this was a planet or a star system. There's stuff written about it in the Talmud, there's stuff written about it in commentary, and I believe there's also. Don't quote me on this one, but I also think there's some stuff about it in mystical texts as, as well.
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Bretzky
Yeah, the rabbi he referred to was like, he was into Jewish mysticism. I believe he said Kabbalah.
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William Blesh
It might be talking about Arya Kaplan, maybe Rabbi Arya Kaplan.
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Bretzky
I'll get back to you on. I don't want to butcher the name.
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William Blesh
Okay? No, no worries on that. But the truth is that there, there are multiple interpretations for what Mirage is or where Mirage might happen to be. What that reference is talking about in the Book of Judges and also within. In the Prophets, there's references back to the Book of Judges, which is like the whole reference. It talks about how the stars fought in their course and the stars fought from heaven. And that's within the Song of Deborah. So there are hints that there is, you know, potentially other inhabited stars somewhere in our 3D universe that we all know and love. And there are multiple Jewish organizations today that have that. You know, I actually talk about them in my book as well, that some of them are. Aish.com Chabad talks about it there. So there's, there's num. You know, a few different places where you can get more information about that concept. Do I say that this is like, hands down, for sure there's, you know, aliens around a star named Mirage? No, because I like it. Everything that that is there is, that's within scripture. Those are potential hints. But there's, there's like to me you would, you'd have to have more evidence to be able to concretely say one way or the other. But I do think, I do think that there is, you know, I think it's, there's enough there that's worth like some deeper exploration. Like, personally, I would love to. Sorry, go ahead.
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Bretzky
No, because I'm just. My hold up with the, the idea that we were going back and forth was not necessarily that it's a, a planet or anything like that. I think it's. Even if it is, maybe it's a like kind of a king of tire idea where it is a planet is a place and it's like an example used to talk about neutrality with, with between God when he's at war. Um, I was just wondering if like that idea of taking interpretations from mystical text or extra biblical text then leads you down the road to looking at angels as, as being allegorical. You see that kind of like, what's up everybody? It's Bretzky.
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No, for me I, I don't see angels as allegorical at all. They're, they're like that. That's actually something very interesting is that there are particular streams of Christianity as well as Judaism that are. I hate to say this because it sound makes me sound political, but there most of the people who tend to view these, these kinds of things as super allegorical, metaphorical, blah blah blah and not actual literal beings, they tend to be on the super left end of the political spectrum and are, you know, you have like certain progressive Christian churches these days, Unitarian churches, there's like a lot of these kinds of things that, that deny the, the corporeality of angels but also of like tons of other things, you know, like miracles and that kind of thing. And on the Jewish side, the Reform movement in the United States, in the UK and in Germany, they are complete. It's basically like the whole thing, the whole Bible, everything is just there to help you lead a good moral ethical life. And that's it. It's just a bunch of cultural stories
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Bretzky
I've been telling David the last couple of weeks. And don't worry about getting political, this is like a conspiracy show or whatever. But there is an interesting correlation between right wing, left wing, Christian, even like pagan ideas. And you can almost extrapolate from where you land on the political spectrum. Maybe not even Democrat or Republican or whatever you want to call it, but progressive versus Conservative, it does lean toward certain ideologies and they're actually quite predictable. So what you're saying is spot on. I don't know why and it's not for me to make the assumption why, but I do know that, well, it
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David Lee Corbo
does seem that if you can loosen up the Bible to be mostly allegorical, then you can bend the rules.
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William Blesh
You can make it mean whatever you want it to mean basically. Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And that's where you get, you know, phenomenon like, you know, I'm sure it's out there. I'm not making a particular example but like an all trans church or something, you know, insane like that. Well, these things do exist statistically. Statistically it's got to exist at some point. So. And you see these videos all the time of, of the most insane sort of ideas. I, I forget one of them.
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Bretzky
I just brought it n NASB Bible because I don't read here what's NASB New American Standard. It's supposed to be like the closest word for word rather than King James.
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William Blesh
Yep. That is actually what I quote almost, almost exclusively in. In my book. Precisely for that. For that reason.
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Bretzky
You doing the 95 or the 20?
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William Blesh
20. 95.
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Bretzky
Okay. That's the one I brought accidentally. So good. I was reading through it and I was like, this one seems like, you know, versus the niv. It's. It's easy to read. And the King James is a little bit. It could get a little poetic, but this one seemed more to. Seem to resonate with me more. But yeah, reading the Bible and understanding what it says, not just scripture, by scripture, because I could open up a, you know, the Bible right now and read one scripture and it could mean 15 things. But it's like, well, what was the context? What was that before and after? And what were the. The authors actually trying to say to the time period people that they were writing it to? It's absolutely.
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William Blesh
Absolutely. So good. Good job, man.
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Bretzky
We're trying. We're trying.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I wanna. I wanna ask you something because of a tweet that I saw of yours not too long ago. And I might be misremembering it, but it was this. I think it was on the topic of. Of Jesus's Jewishness. And what I've recognized recently is this phenomenon that I've been watching from a distance, and initially I was in it. And so. So what I mean by that is the Jews are a hot button issue. Suddenly the crimes of Israel or. Or the Jews are on full display and everyone is acting as if this is a new thing. Whereas Biblically speaking, you know, there's no shortage of the Jews going towards the Lord and then going towards paganism or, you know, adhering to God's will and then disappointing God. And I think that's really the story of humanity. But it took me a little while to get there. I was on this sort of train for a little bit where I'm going, wait a second, they're doing what? They're controlling this. What about Israel? And the disproportionate, you know, representation in American government, All these things. And then I pulled back. And the reason I pulled back is because I saw all of these masses suddenly moving in that direction. I said, no, this doesn't feel organic. And I thought to myself, why would this be happening? Why would this be happening? And then I saw a very interesting phenomenon take place in the last year, let's say, and that is, well, now Jesus, since he is Jewish, Right. Since he is of the line of Judah and since he is called Rabbi. Therefore, this entire thing is a psychological operation.
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Bretzky
It's interesting, right, because Jesus is completely inseparable from his Jewish heritage as a human being. So it's like now these people that really have this gripe against Jews either have to make him Irish or. Yeah, I know, but that's what they are.
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David Lee Corbo
You have to do something with it. You have to.
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Bretzky
Or you have to. Or the even worse, right? They just, they discard completely.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. Right. So you either change who Jesus Christ
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Bretzky
is, which then throws the whole Bible
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David Lee Corbo
out, or you, you go in rebellion against him because therefore he is part of this, the machination of the, the great Jewish psyop. And I went, oh my God, is that the, is that one of the points? Is that the mate. I mean, I can't see a greater sort of deception that, that would serve than to have people fall away from Jesus Christ because, you know, because he is Jewish or to change him, which is effectively the same thing, right? That is Antichrist. To have anyone other than Jesus of the line of Judah, of the house of David, the son of the living God who came and died for our sins and overcame death, like anybody other than that guy, is a total miss. And therefore is Antichrist. Are you seeing this or are we being hyperbolic?
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William Blesh
No, I don't think you're being hyperbolic, but I also don't think that it's something strange. I think the Bible says this kind of thing is going to happen in the last days. You know, the, the world is going to turn against Israel at some point. Everybody and the nations are going to come up against Israel and Israel has got to learn that its only hope is the Lord. You know, leaning on America is exactly the same. And I don't intend to insult anyone I like. I believe America has been Israel's greatest ally since it was re. Established in 1948, hands down. But leaning on America is exactly the same thing as when Israel leaned on Egypt. One of the, in one of the prophets, it says that, you know, you're leaning on Egypt, trusting in Egypt's strength, but Egypt is a reed that's going to break under your weight when you lean on him. And when he breaks, it's going to wound you, you know, and the Lord alone is supposed to be our king, our salvation, our shield. And most, most Israelis don't understand that. They like, you got all the tradition and, and everything. But, and there, don't, don't get me wrong, there are some who do get it. But there's a lot. Most and most don't. Most people right now see Donald Trump as like this almost a messianic figure. And there I, like, I've. I've talked to my family back in. Some of my family who still live in the States, and I was like, man, you. You didn't see what I saw. In 2016, there were billboards in Jerusalem that had Trump plastered all over it with the words in Hebrew, israel welcomes the man of peace. There was.
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Bretzky
Remember that song, the Super Trump song?
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William Blesh
Like, yeah. And there, There. There are tons of. Of people who see, you know, what, what Trump has done, what America has done in helping us against some pretty bad odds from the countries surrounding us. And they're like, he, man, he's, you know, he, He's King Cyrus. Who, by the way, is he. He's like the reincarnated King Cyrus kind of thing. You know, he has a spirit of King Cyrus, who was a Persian king who allowed the Jews to move back from Persia to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, right. And let him come back.
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Bretzky
I got his gold coin with Trump on one side and King Cyrus on the other.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, wow, okay.
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Bretzky
Somebody sent it to us. And I was like, this is actually really great.
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William Blesh
That's pretty cool. But like, you know, King Cyrus is the only non Jew in scripture who is called a Messiah, who is called the Lord's anointed. And people look at Donald Trump and they, they have the same attitude about him. And right now, people are pretty ticked off because they were like, we should have gone in and we should have ended the, you know, the Iranian regime. And because we didn't do that, we lost. And I, that's honestly the way I see things right now, too. It's possible Trump will pull something off, you know, after the midterms in America and, And there will be some, like, really amazing deal. Who knows? But the, The, The. The mat. The fact of the matter is that at some point, I think, you know, even America is going to turn its back on Israel and Israel will have to go it alone. And some really bad stuff might end up happening before people turn and, you know, say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. And because when that happens, the, the real Messiah is going to come and all Israel and the rest of the planet that has put his trust in him, they're gonna. Everybody that. That's when salvation actually happens. Right? That's when the redemption actually occurs. And right now, Israel doesn't recognize that.
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David Lee Corbo
That.
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Bretzky
So, yeah, it's it's painful, man. We were, we were just reading. Well, I was reading through that also the, the gen in Genesis story of Joseph where his brothers don't recognize him. You want to tell that like that allegory? It's just.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, it was an interesting thing. I'm sure people have addressed this before, but I don't, I don't make a habit of looking at scriptural scholars or, or anybody yet. You know, my walk is, is new, I guess you could say, in, in the amount of years that I've been here, I guess.
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Bretzky
Yeah. I'll tell you this before you tell that story, but like, I've been a Christian my whole life. I kind of came away from the church and Christianity because it just didn't make sense. But honestly, the, the nephilim stuff, the supernatural stuff brought me back into it because it made it more understandable and real, especially the Old Testament. And David wasn't a Christian at all. So the last three years that we've been doing this show, it's been like a rapid developmental growth and it's like
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David Lee Corbo
a hyper crash course.
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Bretzky
A crash course?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, because. Because we decided or not that we made the conscious decision to do it, but what ended up happening because of this show is that.
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Bretzky
Well, our first episode, right, we had a guy coming on saying that the Bible is just like a Zorro astrological.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Bretzky
And it's like Christ consciousness, the 33
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David Lee Corbo
vertebrae, Christos, all that.
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Bretzky
And it was a fun episode, but we had a decision right there. We were like, okay, we can go this way or we can go that way. And I was like, I don't really like what that guy said, so let's
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David Lee Corbo
go the other way. Yeah, for me too. I had so much to learn. I wasn't ready to just say, okay, it's allegorical, it's just about the stars. Just because of one episode would have been foolish.
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Bretzky
I think it is about the stars too.
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David Lee Corbo
But yeah, I think because everything that's the nature of the reality that we inhabit is, is God's word, is, you know, in a lot more places than
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David Lee Corbo
This book. But, you know, as soon as you start reducing it in any way, shape or form.
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William Blesh
Can I say just one, one thing to go back to what we were talking about in terms of this movement of, of even, you know, a lot of Christians right now are questioning whether they should be supporters of Israel and blah, blah, blah and that sort of thing right now. And one of the things, and I'm not going to argue that you should be. I mean, I, I personally am. I consider myself a Zionist. But the, the, the bottom line, okay, whether you think Israel is controlled by fake Jews, Khazarians, any, any of those kinds of things, or Jews control the banks, or the Jews control this government, or that every government on planet Earth, it doesn't matter. What matters is what Jesus did. And every single one of us should be focusing on, on that and not, you know, you should also be remembering that as believers, there's not any other human on this planet that we are supposed to be considering our blood enemy. You know, there we wrestle not against flesh and blood. You know, there's against principalities and powers and against the rulers of this present darkness. And, and there's not just that, but Jesus died for everybody. He died for the Khazarians. You know, so if I'm a Khazarian and I don't know it and I'm just totally deceived or who cares? Yeah, he's the, He's. He's the reason any of us have access to the throne of God. And you know that. That's, that's the bottom line. Yeah, he should be our focus. Right. We shouldn't be focusing on who we think is doing us wrong. By the way, pray for your enemies, you know, turn the other cheek, do good to them who despitefully use you. This kind of thing. Even if you think the Jews are your enemies, you should be praying for them and, well, you know, brings them to himself.
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David Lee Corbo
The problem in not being rooted in scripture and thinking the Jews are your enemy is like, okay, go ahead then, play that out. Where does that go? What, what are you gonna do? They're the root of all the evil and they're. Okay, so what are you gonna do next? Because that's, that's the question that nobody wants to ask themselves.
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David Lee Corbo
And the other thing that I've realized is, you know, when it comes to this idea of like, blessing Israel, I don't, I'm not a political person, you know, I, I never have Been. And I'm not going to fund, you know, willingly. I mean, I went over my tax dollars or anything. But I'm not going to say, like, the government of Israel can do no wrong and Benjamin Netanyahu is infallible and yada, yada, yada. Like, I pray.
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William Blesh
I don't think anybody should say that. I mean, I don't say that.
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David Lee Corbo
I, I pray.
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William Blesh
I live here,
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David Lee Corbo
you know, everybody. This is blank. It doesn't matter if it's Israel, anybody. I pray that they realize that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and that they come into a relationship with the one true God. And, like, that's. That to me, that is. That's the definition of a blessing, right? To curse you would be to say, I hope this happens to you or that happens to you or the government of Israel or the people of Israel. Like, no, no. I pray that everybody finds that Jesus Christ is the truth and is the son of God and is the way to salvation. And that's the same thing for anybody that's in Israel. It's the same thing for anybody who calls himself a Jew. You know, whether or not it's messianic Jews who believe that Jesus is the way, and they're, you know, out trying to preach the gospel to the ones who don't. But that's, that's like, you know, when they say to bless Israel, like, that's the ultimate blessing. Is that not. Is that not the ultimate blessing is for you to come into a relationship with the one true God? Like, that's.
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Bretzky
Yeah, like you were saying. I mean, that's. That solves a lot of these problems.
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David Lee Corbo
It solves all the problems. It solves all the problems.
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William Blesh
So I think, I think there, there is, there is like a caveat to that, I think, because there's people like John Calvin, for example, who, you know, that. Excuse me, not John Calvin. Martin Luther, who was, when he was young, he was very into, you know, missionizing the, The Jewish community. And he was very. His early writings were very loving towards the Jews and, and this sort of thing. But when many Jews, you know, rebuffed him and that sort of thing, he became extremely angry and bitter. And his later writings were so vitriolic that the Nazis ended up using them as part of their propaganda when they came to power. And so you have. I, I think that there's a danger in thinking that, you know, missionizing Jews is the only thing that we got to do. And then when Jesus saves them, everything's going to be hunky dory. The truth is most Jews are not going to until God pulls right the veil away from their eyes. And that's something that he has to do. It's not something that any one of us can, you know, it's, it's not within our power. And the truth is it's not within the power of any of us to, to actually save any other person, Jew or non Jew. That's up to God himself. And, and so I, I just think that's one clarifying.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's like you plant a seed, but God determines whether or not it grows.
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Bretzky
Can you. Yeah. So the story of, of Joseph is what you're saying where, when, when you were reading it to us, I was like, man, this is like an Old Testament story that we know is read by Jews, but they miss it. And it's like a, it's a shadow
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David Lee Corbo
of Christ, this idea that, that Joseph, you know, when he, when his father, when Jacob thinks, or when Israel thinks that he is dead because his brothers sell him into slavery and they, you know, they bring back his robes and they're covered in goat's blood and so he's under the impression that his son is dead. And it's fascinating because when they meet Joseph again all those years later in Egypt, much like Jesus, they, they didn't, like the disciples didn't recognize Jesus. They didn't recognize their own brother. They didn't recognize Joseph. And when they start to, you know, when they finally do realize it's him, when he reveals himself to them and you know, they're all wrought with emotion because of this thing that they, they've done to him. He tells them that they did not do this thing, that, that God allowed this thing. He made this thing happen so that Joseph could go ahead into Egypt and, and make the path for his family. And. Which is very similar to Jesus Christ saying, no man.
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Bretzky
Well, Jesus comes out of Egypt as well.
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David Lee Corbo
It's.
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Bretzky
It's just bizarre. There's so many shades and shadows of this.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Bretzky
That it's like, how do you continue? How do you miss this? But there has to be a veil.
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David Lee Corbo
But when Jesus. No man takes my life, I give it willingly in accordance with the Father, you know, to. To do what? To make a path, a narrow path for his family, for, for us who are onto the vine, for everybody. So it's like, it's the same exact. Not the same exact thing, but it's. So somebody even brought to my attention that when Joseph is, is imprisoned that he is in there with the cup Bearer and a baker. Right. The wine and the bread, which is foreshadowing of. Of two of Jesus's. So it's like there is, you know, there's prophecy that's obviously pointing to Christ, but then there's prophecy that's not so obviously pointing. Pointing to Christ. In fact, I don't know if you would call that prophecy. Is it foreshadowing a prophecy?
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William Blesh
I don't think it's a picture. I think it's a.
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David Lee Corbo
It's a.
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William Blesh
It is definitely a picture of something that's mirrored, Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
And there's things. There are historical events that do get mirrored. Yeah. Throughout Scripture. And I, I'm not exactly sure what you would call that either, but I do think it's a very fascinating sort of thing.
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David Lee Corbo
It's incredible. I mean, I, I'm sitting there reading that and I'm like, oh, my God. Like that's. You could read that and it goes right over your. And I'm sure people have picked that out before, but there's so many people contributing to the conversation. There's so much that you could miss at any given time. But yeah, it was directly foreshadowing the coming of Christ and everything that Christ was going to do, you know, preparing the way for his family and, and the, the bread and the wine and not being recognized by the disciples like it was. And, and in some ways, I mean, how long is the story of Joseph really? It's a.
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William Blesh
A couple of few chapters.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. It's very short. And so, you know, in the grand scheme of things, such a short story about such an important moment, and that's what God saw fit to preserve that, you know, that chunk within those chapters, that's hugely important.
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William Blesh
I agree.
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David Lee Corbo
It's just very interesting. So I want to. I want to move the conversation back to. Back to your. Your books.
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William Blesh
Okay.
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David Lee Corbo
And we were talking about this. This idea of the shadow of Goliath and how it is the shadow of so many things that we're currently experiencing. Right. The echoes, maybe when you hear, you know, and I know these are a bit unfounded. It's unproven. But not long ago, we had this moment a couple of weeks where suddenly the Internet is erupting with this sentiment of hybrid programs taking place deep underground. Right. So Matt Gates famously brings it up, and then I believe Anna Paulina Luna goes on to expand on it. She is one of the main characters that are moving the ball along down the field when it comes to disclosure. But that idea of hybridization programs and deep underground Military bases once again is something that. What's going on, everyone? It's bluff here and we're driving through the states in the Bluffmobile. And the best thing that we can do is play our favorite casino style games on spinquest. They have over a thousand games, including live dealer blackjack and craps. With tons of slots and unlimited options. You can get a $30 coin pack for just $10. For new users sign up today. Go to spinquest.com right now.
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David Lee Corbo
The average person might not connect to scripture, but in my opinion, what else is a Nephilim if not a hybrid? And so I think that that hybridization element is biblical and has been a constant and is now reemerging, you know, under the guise of, of alien phenomenon. What do you make of it?
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William Blesh
Well, I think first of all, I think we should back up just a little bit because there are so many people out there who have this idea that when there is this, when there is disclosure that whoever these aliens are, the vast majority of them anyway, are benevolent. There are space brothers. They are, you know, they just want us to ascend, you know, and this kind of thing. And it, it totally flies in the face. It's like people, for whatever reason, completely ignore things like the idea of these women who are being forcibly bred underground and deep underground bases for the purposes of, you know, creating some hybrid species. First of all, that's rape, if that's actually happening, right? It's assault, you know, and all the people who have been abducted, the hundreds of thousands of people who claim to have been abducted throughout the last 50 years alone, to me that's, that's not, that's not benevolent. That is somebody else treating you like you're a lab rat or treating you like they don't have any respect for your autonomy, for your agency, for your free will. You know, they, they are, that, that's, that is an act of violence against our species. Right? And it's something that if any one of us did it, we would be incarcerated and then put, you know, taken to court and judged. So I don't, like, I don't think any of that is, is
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William Blesh
these particular experiences or beings who are conducting these kinds of things. I don't think there's anything good. Yeah, that's part of that. You know, I don't think that they have any moral lessons to teach us if they are actively engaged in these kinds of things. But in terms of Specifically the Matt Gaetz thing. I watched his, his, the video where he was talking about that and one of the interesting things that I noticed is that, you know, there's this guy who apparently comes into his offices or whatever and he's wearing an American army uniform and he does this whistleblowing thing. But, you know, and whether, you know, Matt Gaetz is protecting the guy, the dude's, you know, identity to, you know, so that he doesn't, you know, accidentally commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head four times. You know, if, if, if, if that's what was going on, great. But the issue to me with that is that there is, you got, you got this guy who was a former representative who's had kind of a shady stuff surrounding him before he, he got, you know, before he left office etc, and now he's trying to be back in the news and create, make himself more relevant. I don't know if that's what's going, what was going on either, but it seems possible to me. The whole thing is that there's no evidence for, it's just hearsay, right? You have some guy that's not even named who comes into his office, who he says is a whistleblower. So it's all like second or third hand testimony. Yeah, right. And to me, if you don't have some kind of primary source, like what does the Bible say? Let, let a thing be established in the mouths of two or more witnesses. And these are not anonymous witnesses. Okay. They're, they're people who are like, I'm staking my reputation on it. This happened. Right? So for me, that particular thing about the government being involved in hybrid breeding programs, first of all, again, the, whoever the aliens are, they're douchebags. And second of all, if our government is complicit in that, who are they? Because they're an enemy of the state. Yeah, they're an enemy of the American people. Right. Those, those would be two great questions that, that I would have. Which aliens are involved and which government entities are involved? Do. Which individuals do, you know? You know, is there any information on that? And if there is, maybe there should be people who are really investigating that. And if there's not, why not? You know, but for again, for me, because there's not any like, primary sources, I tend to be like, okay, we'll set that on the shelf until there is something more that corroborates that. I think that there is way more evidence for the fact that people have just been abducted, taken on to Various craft and that sort of thing. Because there is hundreds of thousands of people who have made that claim. So unless you think hundreds of thousands of people across all socioeconomic lines, all demographics and geographic regions from around the world, it's not just in America. If you think that all of that is, you know, a mass hallucination or, you know, a bit of bad mustard somebody ate. I, I just, you know, it really. I think there's more evidence for something like that than there is for a specific claim like Matt Gates's at this point.
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Bretzky
Yeah. The problem with these, these kind of claims is that they border that line of, like, what we want to hear.
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David Lee Corbo
Sure.
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Bretzky
Versus what the actual truth is. So, like, yeah, there is. There is possibly a genetic breeding program going on with the aliens that are abducting people. We know that they're doing a lot of weird stu. Stuff with men's semen and anuses and
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David Lee Corbo
the black eyed children.
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William Blesh
Yeah, I mean, it gets. Yeah, well, no, you know, back in the 90s, there was. Back in the 90s there was a whistleblower for a, An Air Force serviceman named James Hall. Charles James hall, something like that. And he was really. And I talk about him in, in my book, but he, he brought up this alien species which some have said is maybe like a subspecies of the Nordics or, you know, maybe there's some other species altogether. But they are similar in appearance and they're called the Tall Whites. Right. And they were supposedly in the Americas before the Euro Americans, you know, colonialists came over and they set up shop in Nevada and there may be the pilots, etc, of the Tic Tac craft or maybe the. Yeah, you know, that sort of thing. And one of the things that I kind of thought of is because they. A very interesting thing is that if you look at any like, specifically like reptilian aliens or Nordics, not only do people claim that they are from either, you know, like the, the Draco star system or from the Pleiades, this kind of thing, but you go to New Age sources and they, These same beings are also interdimensional. So you have these extraterrestrials who are from a different star system who. Oh, by the way, they just also happen to be interdimensional and they occupy both spaces at the same time. But that's not the case with the Tall Whites. You don't have any kind of
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William Blesh
surrounding them that says they're interdimensional. It's like they're stuck in this 3D space just like we are. And One of the things that I was thinking about, and this is just pure speculation on my part, but if there is like a hybrid, you know, program that's going on, what if they're not from somewhere else? What if they're from right here? What if the tall whites actually are a hybrid species between us and maybe the Nordics or you know, something like that? Because they, again, they don't, first of all, they don't act like us, but they have kids. And according to this whistleblower, you know, that he saw them men, women, or you know, male, female and little kid, toll whites. Right. So if they have biology similar enough to us, to us, you know, where they got to get down and jiggy with it to have kids, that, that doesn't sound like at least the traditional ideas of an angelic species anyway. Right. So I have some other thoughts on that. But in bottom line is either they could be an extraterrestrial species, like maybe they could be from mirage, who knows, or they could be a hybrid species and they are actually from Earth just like we are.
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David Lee Corbo
So what do you think about the idea that it's, it's been so long that there would have been a, you know, some measure of success when it comes to diversifying the species? So if the name of the game is just hybridization, well, then you've got all the technology that you need. You've had all the, the experience beforehand. And to me a lot of, and it is speculative is it's not strictly biblical, so speaking. But when you get into this idea of what the earth was like before the flood and, and all the potentially different species that inhabited it, if you look at all the different pantheons of different pagan mythoses, they're filled with all sorts of creatures. And I just wonder if maybe under cover of darkness the, the species that you know are non human, that are, I would label them as demonic. You know, unless it's an angel of the Lord coming to you, that's identifying itself as such. It seems that over and over again these other experiences, they're like inherently deceptive. They're spreading them New age Gnostic gospels, they're giving them predictions and their abduction experiences about raping them. They're raping them. That's a huge one. Taking them against their will, telling them about calamities that are going to come at this date that never come to pass. I mean, since the 70s, 90s. Yeah. Bled so once again, yeah, there's, there's so many of these things that I, I just can't help but wonder, you gotta ask why?
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William Blesh
Why? You know, the, the aliens that are channeled, etc, why. Why are they so concerned with our spiritual evolution? You know, it's a good question. Why? And how does anybody know that these beings that they are channeling are who they say they are? What's, what is your litmus test? You know?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, these people don't have one. I mean, I don't think that people are routinely testing these spirits in the name of the Lord. You know, who do you say that Jesus Christ is? Anything other than the living God, the son of the living God is, is going to be bunk because they do have something to impart. Well, Jesus is real, but is, you know, an ascended master. Jesus is real, but he is a Pleiadian.
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Bretzky
Can I let, can I ask you a question? So for people, for, for Jewish people that, that follow Judaism, how do they, how do they.
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Perceive aliens. How do they even perceive demons? In a way, because in the Old Testament demons are never really manifest. In the New Testament they manifest and then they get kicked out a lot of, in a lot of the stories. But in the Old Testament they're kind of behind the scenes like it's mentioned, but we never really get witness of it. So how do they, how do they view that and then how would they view aliens today?
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William Blesh
Well, I think first of all there's two different categories, okay, that you're talking about the aliens to, in, in Jewish thought, they're, they're not demons. Okay? I don't think that they're, that they're demons either. And there's very specific reasons for that. Demons according to Jewish literature, not just the, the Hebrew scriptures but the like Second Temple literature especially. You have, first of all there, you, you have the scripture itself from Genesis 6, right, where the talks about the Nephilim and that sort of thing. Then you have the Enochic literature which greatly expands on that story. Then you have Jewish commentary and you have Midrashim, which are also, they're like a way of interpreting scripture that also expands and like provides an a, like a deeper view. And all of these have references to the nephilim and where evil spirits and demons actually came from.
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David Lee Corbo
They're.
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William Blesh
They, according to that literature, demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead nephilim. Okay? They were not, they didn't go to heaven. They've never been to heaven. And in the New Testament, when, when, you know, Jesus kicks out the legion and he sends them into the pigs, what, what did they say to him? Did you come to. To torment us before the time? And then they beg him not to send them into the abyss. And they said. And like, so he, you know, they asked to go into the herd of pigs and he's like, all right. He basically. He kind of like has a little bit of mercy on them actually. And you're like, he's like, okay, going to the pigs. Which really is an interesting thing because where they were in Israel at the time was near the, I believe, the eastern side of the Sea of Galilee, which was going in towards an area where a lot of non Jews lived. And the Jews who lived in that area were doing the same things as the non Jews. They were farming pigs, which is. Was not kosher and was against, basically against the law of the land. So when he, you know, when he sent the demons into the pigs and the pigs rushed off the cliff and they drowned themselves in the Sea of Galilee, he kind of like did two things. Number one, he kind of cleansed the land of something that was considered an abomination and of not just the demons, but like physically the pigs, the, the guys who were farming them were doing something illegal. So he got rid of them. And that's why all the people in the town were like, go away. They were pissed off at him because, you know, he just ruined half of their livelihood
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David Lee Corbo
to be like, well, I put the demons in the pigs in the pigs ran off the cliffs.
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Bretzky
It's interesting, I know I don't know the veracity of this, but I, I have some thoughts on why that was a, a law in the first place. Because, like, if you do eat under, under prepared pig, there's a risk of trichinosis or different types of parasites that you can get. And I, I think that parasites in your stomach.
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William Blesh
Oh yeah.
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Bretzky
Can influence your brain, your thoughts, and that is like almost a form of demonization.
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David Lee Corbo
I would go a step further. It's probably gonna sound crazy, but I've come to this conc. I think parasites are like a biological conduit for demonic possession or oppression. Like they somehow facilitate the process on a biological level. Only because the correlation, it comes Up. You know, we get into a lot of testimony when it comes to supernatural experiences and such. We have them on the show. I make a great habit of listening to them by this point. It's been thousands of hours that I've been exposed to in one shape or. Or another. And the correlation between parasites and demonic oppression or possession comes up constantly. That there's some relationship there. And I don't think that it. It at all reduces what a demonic encounter or what a demonic possession is. I don't think that it reduces it to strictly some biological function that is maybe part of a series of hallucinations. That's not at all what I'm saying. And I am saying there is some coupling there that. That is very interesting. In fact, we have a company that we used to work with in the past. We still do work with them, is it's a parasite company, purge store. And the owners. I've had discussions with the owners, and they're right there. And they've actually said it. Oh, yeah, we have some of their stuff here. They've actually said it to me. I said, I wonder if there's a connection between parasites and demons. And they go, we wonder that all the time because it comes up all the time.
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Bretzky
And I go, as they produce this stuff.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, there is something there. I'm telling you. One of those little threads, if you pull on it bears fruit and. And you don't know.
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Bretzky
You don't know what's funny. Like.
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William Blesh
No, it's. It's kind of like a. It's kind of like a, you know, like a tangent or a rabbit hole or whatever. But there. There is something interesting about that. And what I think it is, if there. If, like, if there is any kind of a connection, one of the things that I think most people would agree is that, you know, when God says not to engage in sorcery, like, that's like using plants or, you know, other substances to alter your perception. Right. Or to put you into some kind of altered state of consciousness. And why does that. What. What does it do? It kind of like it switches those chemicals switch like a tuning, you know, like tunes your brain into a different frequency, something in. In, you know, in reality so that you can perceive different aspects or elements of reality. Graham Hancock talks about that, you know, his experiences with using a hayahuasca. And in his book Supernatural. I don't know if you guys know who Graham Hancock is or have read his books, but he's really gotten. I think he's done something like 11 ayahuasca. Ceremony trips. And in some of them he has experienced entities, you know, these non human intelligences that look serpentine that are, you know, very dragon like or reptilian and, but not just that, he's also experienced other types of beings, insectoid type beings and alien grays. And he's. So he's seen all these different kinds of things. Right. My point is that there's something physical that actually can tune your brain, you know, into something else. And honestly I think that people that, that be, you know, become possessed. I think they do something to allow themselves to become possessed. And it is possible that there is a physical element to that, at least in some cases. Because I think if you're tripping out on something and you don't have any kind of control over that trip, you know, you're dealing with stuff that you have no power to protect yourself from. Whatever it is you're experiencing, it's happening to you no matter what. Right. And the, and they're these beings that occupy this other dimensional space could very well be some of them anyway, could be demonic. And if they hijack you while you're, while you are in this other space, you, first of all, you did it to yourself. But second of all, the, the main point, I guess that I was getting at is that, you know what, maybe there, I don't know if, if parasites could do that, but if there's something physical in your brain that when it's switched, can put you into touch with an alternate reality, hey, it's, it's a possibility that I, you know, I wonder if anybody has ever thought to conduct a study on that like they do with dmt.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, over and over again, some parasites
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William Blesh
in somebody's brain, man, see what happens for sure.
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Bretzky
Somebody, you can probably go to most of America and they're already parasites.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, we get it from eating whatever fast food that we eat. But I, that's another thing that comes up in our research constantly is frequency. It seems that these things, you know, these disembodied spirits. Because I would agree, going back to the alien conversation, we've used the terminology aliens or demons in a hyperbolic way to draw in a conversation. But as soon as you get into elaborating on that.
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Bretzky
Yeah, yeah, he just named you named a reptilian species and Insecto and species Grays, other angelic beings. I, on this show, I constantly tell people there's people that watch it and they, they, maybe they watch Joe Rogan too. So they have an inclination to do some sort of psychedelic to, to interact with this other realm. And I'm, I'm against, I guess I'm against mushrooms. But I tell them, hey, listen, I'm not, I would never tell you to do this because I don't know where you are physically, I don't know where you are spiritually, mentally, but definitely there's a locality to it. So when Graham Hancock is doing these ayahuasca trips, I wonder if he's in different locations and if these locations are specific to the entities that he's encountering. Like do they inhabit this physical locality on the other side?
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William Blesh
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Bretzky
And when you do that there, do you then see them right at the,
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David Lee Corbo
you know, you had a friend that she was saying every time she did it she saw like a jaguar.
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Bretzky
No, she went to Costa Rica and did it. It was like a general white woman retreat and she did ayahuasca and she had a shaman and she, and afterwards she's like, oh, the grass was talking, it was wonderful. And she says that she saw a woman with a jaguar head and she told the, the shaman that was walking her through it and he goes, oh yeah, yeah, she's here.
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David Lee Corbo
We know her.
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Bretzky
Yeah, we know. So like that entity just hangs out here? Yeah, that's the one specific to that location. I was like, I would never do that again if I were you because you have, you're swimming with the sharks right now.
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David Lee Corbo
And everything is based, everything is consent based, right?
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Bretzky
So, well, you've consented once. You've, once you've taken the drug to go there.
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David Lee Corbo
And I've heard people put it as you're entering these spiritual realms illegally. And yes, you are maybe where, okay, you're gonna do that. And God kind of goes like, these things now have access to you. Everything is, everything is consent based. And you have, you know, consensually broken into, you know, a spiritual realm. These things are allowed to access you. Now that's on you.
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William Blesh
Yeah, speaking of consent based stuff, I mean, doesn't it sound kind of like the, the vampire myth yes, it does. You guys, something else I see on YouTube a lot are these, like, Reiki ASMR videos where I have, like, these Reiki ASMR practitioners with, you know, they're just doing their healing modalities and blah, blah, blah. But if you. If you really dig into Reiki, like, one of the main things that they always say at the beginning of their videos is either say out loud or just think to yourself, I accept.
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David Lee Corbo
No.
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William Blesh
And. And when you do that, then the Reiki, which is self like, like, it's. It knows where to go.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
How does it know where to go? Are you directing it? No, no, no. I'm not the one doing. I'm just channeling this life force energy. I'm chasing healing energy.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
So where does this energy come from? They say it comes from the universe. You know, it's like a universal life force energy, kind of. It's the force from Star Wars.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes.
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William Blesh
Anyway, it's. It's a. This thing that. It was discovered by a Japanese Buddhist monk, and he, like, discovered this healing modality while he was meditating. And then he began teaching it to his students. And it's become like this worldwide thing now. It's really big, and it's all throughout the New Age community. And. But that's one of the things that really struck me is that they're. They're always saying that it respects your free will. And how, really, how does an energy that has no consciousness respect someone's free will? That, to me, that sounds like there is someone or some intelligence behind that, and it's not you as. Because, you know, they're like, no, it's. I'm not. I'm not the one directing it. Okay.
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David Lee Corbo
So many of these New Age practices, they rely on not having strict definitions, which I actually think is a really fascinating. You see that mirrored in the left? Right. So we're talking about this left versus right, sort of a deal. And with the left, it's really a war on definitions. If you can disrupt what a word means, then fundamentally everything is in flux and everything becomes chaotic. And you can never even get past just agreeing on, like, what a woman is or something crazy.
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Bretzky
Like talking about the idea of source rather than God.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. Rather than God. God who? Like the God of. Of. Of Jacob, the God of the Bible. Like, like that God? No, no. Source, the universe, love and light. And if you open it up to these really vague definitions, then all of a sudden these things can operate. But it's weird because they do have, you know, what you're talking about, which is they, they accidentally slip up and throw a fundamental spiritual law in there, which is consent. It's like, well, that's, that's actually pretty rigid if you think about it. But, but we have to do that.
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Bretzky
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting. But, but they, they love that where it's like spirituality without any definitions. And I go, well, certainly this has to be defined. Right? Certainly this thing has. If it's ancient and it's intelligent, it's outside of the human experience, you know, outside of our own intellect, then, then it does have some sort of boundaries. It has some sort of definition. It has maybe even a name or, or more importantly a nature, which is also going back to this alien conversation where everybody wants to talk about the reverse engineer technology. Everybody wants to talk about how great this is, zero point, this and that. I'm like, what about the nature of the things that you're interacting with, whether it's the grays or the things or the inside. That's why I specifically use the word demonic earlier instead of just saying demon. Right, because we talked about that. That is a disembodied spirit. But demonic meaning deceptive in nature, against humanity and in opposition to God. And over and over again, every encounter seems to be demonic. These things are deceptive. They're, they're doing things against, you know, your better interests and, you know, but nobody wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to talk about the nature of the spirit that's healing you in Reiki. Nobody wants to talk about the nature of the, you know, the entities that are facilitating the, the tremendous leaps in, in, you know, technological advances. I don't care about any of that. I want to know about their nature.
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William Blesh
Yeah, me too. Because if, if they're, there is such a thing as Trojan horse gifts, you know.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
And people don't tend to be, I, you know, I don't know that being suspicious and being like, paranoid, like, I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. But I do think there should be some critical thought and I do think that there should be a standard, a litmus test for literally everything that, you know, is trying to tell you anything about anything that's existential. Right. Anything that matters to you spiritually, long term to, to your final destination or to, you know, that, that, that, that is telling you about the world, the reality that you exist in. If you don't have, like, if you don't have a reason to trust that entity and that reason Isn't very good then if. If it's all just based on your feelings.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes.
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William Blesh
Which is, you know, that. That's not a good. That's not a good litmus test. I feel great about this. I felt so much love. There was this one ufo, you know, whistleblower or whatever. I don't know if it's this guy or not, but he was talking about how he felt this feminine. Yeah. Okay, so I'm like, you can't. How you. However you feel. Who cares?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
How you. You could be made to feel, feel anything, you know, isn't it funny that
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David Lee Corbo
we live in this. This paradigm right now where, like, you know, the. The left that has been the status quo for some time, and I don't even mean that, once again, not in a political way. I mean, in an ideological way. Is about feelings. And so is this entire New Age movement. Is about feelings.
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William Blesh
Well, you know what?
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William Blesh
There is like, this desire for, you know, being blissed out. That's why people take drugs. You know, they want to. Want to have, like, this euphoric feeling. And it's why people are addicted to things like sex. Sex is great. And being able to have, like, the. The. This emotional attachment to something, it's. I mean, that's normal. There is something normal to, you know, that's intrinsic to our species about that. We are emotional creatures. And having something that makes us feel happy and. And joyful and those kinds of things, those. Those are not necessarily bad things, but they can also be deceptive. How many people have gotten into romantic relationships that they never should have gotten into, ever, you know, just because they're. They had some awesome butterflies for a moment.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
You know, the. The same. The same thing holds true. You're getting into a relationship with something. You know, if you're con. If you're. If you're in touch with any entity, no matter what it is, that's a relationship. And if you can't trust that relationship, if you have no good reason other than how it makes you feel, there's something wrong with that.
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David Lee Corbo
It would make sense to me if the spiritual realm is as legal as it appears, because the more I've done this, the more it seems that way that definitions would be important. And Jesus Christ explicitly says, he is the way, the truth, and the life. And in Matthew 7, 13 through 14, it says, Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate, and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate, and narrow is the word, the. The road that leads to life. And I'm doing like a little bit of jumping back and forth is narrow is the road that leads to life and Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Right? So if these things are synonymous, life and the truth and the road that leads to life is narrow, that means that the truth is very narrow. So it needs to be defined. It needs to be defined, it needs to be understood. This is all very legal and New Age practices, occultism and everything. So much of it is blown wide open. Absolutely wide gate. It's a wide path. And people really don't like that, man. And I get it because in some ways you want to lean on your own understanding. The Bible warns against that. But you want to, you want to feel wise, you know, in your ways. So to say something that sounds profound,
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David Lee Corbo
God is, is love and light, man. Or like, you know, the universe is. It's you experiencing itself subjectively and all these different things that sound really profound.
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William Blesh
You.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And God is in all things. So worship a tree is like worshiping God. It's like, no, the truth is narrow and needs to be defined. And that means that the truth isn't dependent on you, which.
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William Blesh
That's absolutely right.
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David Lee Corbo
That sucks.
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William Blesh
For a lot of people there, there is an objective truth. It's not all subjective. Speaking about Jesus being the way the truth and the life and the way being narrow. I was like going and exploring some old like Christian rock and some, basically some stuff from like the late 70s.
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David Lee Corbo
Right, okay.
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William Blesh
And there was, there's this guy named Keith Green and he had this. I saw an interview with him. Like he died in a plane crash like in 1983 or 84 or something like that. But he did this interview and he came out of a very like New Agey kind of background and they were talking to him and so why did, you know, why did you, you know, decide to follow Jesus? And he said, well, you know, I was looking at all these different streams of, of, you know, theological streams. I'm Looking at all these basically like, ascended masters, you know, I'm looking at Buddha and they're. They're all saying that they are a way. And they. They are saying, well, there's this way and that way, and we all get to the same place in the end. But, you know, he's like, they, they. And they all. But they all have an opinion about Jesus and they're like, where. This is a way and this is a way. And Jesus, yeah, he. He's also a way.
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David Lee Corbo
He's.
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William Blesh
Jesus is a way. Right. But then I. Then I got to the Bible and I started reading that, and then I found out that Jesus said about himself that he is the way and there's not any other way. He's the. If, you know, all these. All these guys, the Buddha, Confucius, all, you know, all these. All these different ascended masters, whatever, they. They all have good things to say about Jesus. And then you read Jesus and Jesus said about himself, I am the way. So once I found that out, I was like, okay, all these other guys who say there is a way or they are a way and Jesus is good and you should listen to him because he's also away, but Jesus is the only one who says something exclusive. And he says, I am the way. Well, I gave up all the other ways and I started following Jesus.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's the thing is. Go ahead.
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Bretzky
No, we're doing a study on. On Hebrews in just. The first chapter of. It is like, when we're talking about the way, the definitives that are being spoken of while describing Jesus Christ, it's like, I mean, if you believe. If you believe these words, it's very hard to turn away from it. Like, it's saying without a shadow of a doubt, seated at the right hand of God, he is the only son of God. And it's not saying if maybe there's a couple of ways, like, no, no, this is it.
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William Blesh
Yeah.
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Bretzky
And for people like me, like dumb people, I'm like, give me the answer and I'm gonna follow that. And I, you know, we've seen something convincing. I'm like, good, all speed ahead. Let's move in that direction. Yeah, I love that.
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David Lee Corbo
But that's the. That's the beauty of it. Like, that goes back to what we were just talking about. The truth being, you know, having to be defined and being very narrow in its nature is like, thank God. Thank God it's not. Because that's really. That's so simple. That's so simple. Like, just follow Jesus Christ because If it really was up to, I don't know, the subjective opinions and. And, you know, wisdom of a bunch of a holes like us, things would be really bad. Like, really bad. You know, like, thank God somebody's in. In control and has bothered to simplify this for us because if we were still trying to, you know, be saved by the law, we couldn't do that. We couldn't do that. That was far too difficult. Thank God that Jesus Christ came and simplified this entire process. You know that.
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William Blesh
Well, he said, he said, anybody, if you, if you can't come to me like a little child.
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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William Blesh
You're not going to be saved. And what do kids do? You tell them the truth and they believe you. They. They don't immediately throw up walls and we're like, well, that sounds kind of right. But you know what? I've got this objection and this objection and this objection. And you know what? I don't think I'm gonna do it until you can prove every little thing to me. And, you know, in. In black and white and, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, that kids don't do that if they trust you and they know you're telling them the truth. They just, it's. It's like when you're in a swimming pool and you tell your kid, all right, just jump to me and I'll catch you.
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Bretzky
Yeah.
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William Blesh
And, you know, and the kids are all right, you know, without hesitation. And that's how believers should be and that. And people who come to. To the Lord, that you got to have faith like a kid.
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David Lee Corbo
That's.
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William Blesh
That he just flat out said it and that. But it is, it's so simple that kids can grasp it. So you're right about that.
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Bretzky
Well, as we. We're getting a little towards the end of the episode, but I have a question. In living in Israel, is there. When you're walking around there in. In some of these, like, biblical spots, do you. Are you yourself able to act, like, feel something special about the land? Because it's one of these places that it's like, it's constantly fought over, and it's got to be constantly fought over for a reason. You know, Jesus died there, but we had Abraham. All these people are like, moving through this land. When, when you're on it, when you're actually there, is there anything actually. Is there anything special about this specific geographic location, not just to you, but like, in, in general, objectively.
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William Blesh
Objectively, yeah, because there is so much archaeological evidence for this stuff that's talked about in the Bible. It's unbelievable. You know, there's. There places that, that you wouldn't even think of. You're, you're like driving along and then you're like, oh, you know, there's. That's. That was where they believe Sodom and Gomorrah might have been or, oh, my gosh, you know, Jerusalem. Just around. In, in the Jerusalem area. You know, there's the pool of Siloam. Who would have thought? You know, people didn't actually even believe that it was a real place until archaeologists uncovered it not that long ago. Which actually provided, you know, physical evidence for something that the New Testament talked about. You know, remember there was a angel who went and stirred up the pool of Siloam.
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Bretzky
Yeah.
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William Blesh
And whoever was the first one to jump in after the pool was agitated or whatever, would be healed of whatever.
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Bretzky
Do you think that that was true? That, like, that was that actually?
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William Blesh
Yeah. I mean, the New Testament said that it happened, so I, I literally believe if it says it. Yes. I, I believe that. What else? I mean, there's tons and tons of things like that. You know, there, there you can walk through the valley where King David and the army of Israel stood against the army of the Philistines, and where the tomb of Goliath is supposed to be. You know, there's like this gigantic tell, which is like a gigantic mound. Right. And nobody will excavate it. The Israeli Antiquities Authority won't do it because there's, there's, there's like, some religious reasons involving, like, the fact that there's human remains on the inside.
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Bretzky
Sure.
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William Blesh
But from traditional, like, stories that go back to the Byzantine era, there's like a ruined Byzantine church nearby where Christian pilgrims used to come from Europe. Traveling down, they'd go through this, the same valley, and they'd go to this Byzantine church and the, the priests there would be like, oh, there's the tomb of Goliath right over here. We know that it is. And like, whether they really knew or not, I don't know. But there is a giant tell there. Right. Giant cairns. And for like a thousand years more, it's like nobody has disturbed it. I'm like, I would like to do that. Let's see if Goliath's bones are actually inside.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
You know, but like, there, there is tons of those kinds of things.
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David Lee Corbo
Now.
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William Blesh
I will say, you know, before I became a believer, there was like, it was special to me because, hey, this is Israel. This is where my, my people came from. It is the land of the Bible. That sort of thing but it was, it didn't matter to me in the way that it has come to matter to me since I did become a believer and once I began following Yeshua as my Lord and Savior, as, as my Messiah, like everything began to matter to me. You know, like, like I said, if it says it in, in the Torah, if it says it in the Tanakh, the, the, you know, the, the first five books of the Bible, the writings, the prophets, the New Testament, if it says it and it's considered scripture, then it something that I believe and it, it like the more I read it, the more I ingest it, the more I begin to understand God's plan and purpose for the Jewish people, for Israel, for the entire human race and what his plan is regarding redemption. Not just for all of this because I don't remember if it's Paul, it might be Paul, but it's in the New Testament. It says what Jesus did. It's basically universal salvation. It's to, to bring all of creation, all of creation. Groans until the redemption, right?
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William Blesh
like to me it's like so I can't wait. I can't wait for it to happen. I can't wait for Yeshua to come back and for all the wrongs to be put to right. Kind of like in C. S Lewis's the Chronicles of Narnia, you know, all will be, all will be made right when Aslan comes in sight. Something like that. Yeah. But it's the same, it's the same concept, you know, Jesus, everything is made new. Yeah. And so that's.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's. Well, you know what it is too.
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William Blesh
I don't know if I answered your question.
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Bretzky
I mean you think you did. Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
When you're seeing these places or any evidence that like you said specifically these first five books were true, it just like it strengthens the entire thing. Like you can see it, you can, you, you begin to not only imagine it, but I guess internalize the reality of this situation. And if this is true, Helps you understand. True.
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Bretzky
Helps you understand.
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William Blesh
Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Bretzky
The thousands of years of warfare.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Bretzky
Over this place. Because a lot of times, from a secular point of view, like you guys are fighting World War III over, well, a state that's the size of New Jersey, that's not here in America. It's. It's maddening, and it's like, what are you doing? But there has to be something going on there.
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William Blesh
You know, there's something. It is. It's a spiritual. Like, the bottom line is there is a spiritual war or interdimensional war, whatever you want to call it. Right. There's a war between God's forces and a smaller rebellious force. But that rebellious force has access to humanity and to our planet until God's plan is finished. And it's not. It's just not done yet.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I want to ask you a final question in closing here, Will. This is something that we like to ask our. Our guests on the show. Everything that you've been doing in the books that you're writing, you're living out in Israel. You're experiencing this, you know, firsthand. You're able to walk these streets and put your hands on these things and everything that God has you doing right now. Are you having fun?
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Bretzky
Wow.
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William Blesh
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There's a lot of challenges to being a believer here in Israel. I imagine it's the same pretty much everywhere in the world right now, but it can be kind of difficult sometimes. And I would also say, like. Like, I have plans for some. What I think are some pretty awesome stuff that I. That I want to do that I think God is leading me towards. I had. Man, that's a hard question. It's a, like a very hard question. Am I having fun?
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Bretzky
We ask it.
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William Blesh
There. There is. What I do think is fun is discovering the things that. That God has for me to discover. That part is fun because it's like what is. King Solomon said in Proverbs that it's basically the honor of kings to seek a thing out. You know, God hides something.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
But it's like. It's like a dad who goes and he, like, hides a present for his kids, and he said, go find it, you know, and that's. That is kind of how I feel. So from that perspective. Yeah. I would say I'm having find.
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David Lee Corbo
That's great. That's a great. That's a great way to put that.
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Bretzky
David references that. That scripture constantly because it's like, that's, in essence, what we're doing. We're constantly scratching the surface.
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David Lee Corbo
The glory of God to conceal a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's people that don't. Life is this, like, mystery. And, and God has done these things. He wants you to pursue them. He wants you to pursue Him. And, and that is like the great mystery. That is the great. It's not really hidden because he wants you to know him, he wants to reveal himself, but he wants you to be a participant in it. And, and yeah, that is fun. That's a lot of fun.
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William Blesh
Absolutely. You know, one of the things that, speaking about himself, he. He does hide himself, and he wants you to seek him out. That's why the prophets say, on the day you seek me with your whole heart, you'll find me. And that's. So it's. It is up to us. Like, you. You go, and you want to know him, go look for him.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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William Blesh
And don't stop until you find him,
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David Lee Corbo
you know, and that's fun. That's really fun. Right. Because what's the alternative? The alternative is, is the drudgery of a materialistic paradigm that nothing matters and you're here to grind your. Yourself into dirt and hopefully maybe you leave something behind for another. Like. No, no. There is the, the creator of the universe, your father is, is beckoning you.
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Bretzky
And the cool thing is, like, the interesting thing is always that obviously God knows exactly what you need. You don't. And he's almost like, go ahead and ask me for it. Go like, figure it out and ask me for it, and then I'll give it to you. And I'm like, well, I don't even know.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't know what I need.
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Bretzky
And it's. But it's this fun game of, like, he's like, he's there waiting, but are you going to approach or are you just gonna, you know, be complacent about it? Yeah, that's. Well, that's our job to continue to search these things out. And I think, obviously you're doing that, man. It's. It's been a blessing to talk to somebody.
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David Lee Corbo
That's all we can do though, right? That's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to try, and we're gonna suck at it, you know, from time to time, but every once in a while we do something super cool, and I think he's pumped about it. Look, Will, let's. Let's remind everybody where they can find your work. And thank you so much for your time. It's been a wonderful conversation.
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William Blesh
Thank you for having me. So people can, can find me@williamblesh.com. that's and blush is B L-E-S C H.com and then you guys can, anybody can come and find me on Facebook, friend me, we can talk.
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David Lee Corbo
Awesome.
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Bretzky
Excellent. You know what? I'm gonna pick up one of these, one of these books. And we have a Christian library in the back.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh yeah, that's right. It would be a great addition.
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Bretzky
So we're, we'll put this in the library and people could check this out. Man.
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David Lee Corbo
And we'd love to have you back sometime. Talk about whatever you, whatever you want. I mean, all these things are unfolding and we kick them off the stage. All these things are unfolding and you know, you've got this body of work and I'm sure you've, you've got something to say about a lot of different things. So we'd love to have you back sometime, Will.
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William Blesh
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right. I would be honored to be back.
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David Lee Corbo
So. Excellent.
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Bretzky
Awesome, guys. Excellent episode. Until next time. Don't forget to obey, Submit and comply. We'll see you later.
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William Blesh
They bred with daughters of men and they will do it again. The end is written in the book
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Bretzky
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