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Nephilim Death Squad
Inverted World w/ Shane Cashman
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Is the world upside down — or are we finally starting to see it clearly? In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, Raven and TopLobsta sit down with journalist and cultural commentator Shane Cashman for a deep conversation about modern media, inverted...
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That's a.
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That's a. Top Lobster Productions. In the shadows of the ancient ones, they never went away.
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They're still here today.
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When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Welcome blab, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster. Switch the camera. The father of disinformation.
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We need to hire surgeon.
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We need a small Asian person to sit in the corner of the room and press the buttons for us. We are guaming at you live from the standard coffee shopping, casino,/nds studio/consultation shop. Stop by sometime here in Lady Lake, Florida. Buy us a coffee. Don't grab a coffee, buy us one. Anyway guys, before we get into today's episode, a little reminder. Great place to support the show is patreon.com forward/nephilimdesk squad. If you sign up there, you'll gain early access to episodes and unedited versions. First in on tickets to Bohemian Grove and discount codes off of merchandise from top lobster.com show a shirt. Let's show a shirt. What shirt we got? Oh, you know what?
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I'll show the one I'm wearing today.
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Oh, we haven't seen this one in a while. Yeah, Retardio.
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Retardo. Return to God, people.
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It's a good time to do that. I mean it's always a good time to return to God, but maybe right now it's. It's an imperative. Guys joining us today actually for the first time we've hung out and talked to him since basically Bohemian Grove. I had the pleasure of having a phone call with him not long ago, but this is the first official one welcoming back to the show Shane Cashman. Shane, thank you for coming. Before we get into all of this, let's talk about where people can find your work and support you. Things of that nature.
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Yes, sir. Well, thanks for having me, guys. You can find me online on Twitter and Instagram at Shane Cashman. The show is Inverted world live on YouTube and rumble Monday through Thursday at 10pm and you can buy my books@shane cashman.com.
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very nice. You know, I, I. We haven't had the pleasure of. Of talking.
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Great photo. She's a killer.
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He's a killer online, man.
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We. Yeah, actually, by the way, that's worth mentioning. You know, when you were at Bohemian Grove, you tried your hand at stand up. It was the first time, right?
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First, like, official time. Yeah. Tripoli actually had me. He asked me that day to open up for him, and it was awesome. It was awesome, dude. It was great. You're a.
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You were a natural, a killer. What you were doing was you were basically taking your tweets, which are bangers, and you were saying, well, maybe I should. I think Tripoli actually recommended this to you. You should be reading these tweets. And so I remember just watching you go through your phone and just read these tweets. You know, the way that you type them out is very much the way that you speak, so the translation was perfect. And I know since then, you've. You've done it a few more times, right? Didn't you, like, open for Tripoli in Jersey or something?
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Yeah, Tripoli had me open up on New Year's Eve. It was an awesome show at. At the Dojo, which is a great club. I've done a few performances there before, and I do that place rules. And to be with Tripoli, someone. I've. I've listened to Tripoli for, like, more than a decade, you know, so it's crazy to be hanging with him. I really respect him. And. And it was awesome. So Bohemian Groves, like, the first official time. And crazy because it was Tripoli one night and then Owen the next night. Such a great, great weekend. I can't thank you guys enough for having me be involved in that. And then then, like, my first, like, get, like, gig at a comedy show was with Tripoli again at the Dojo, and that was a great way to start the year.
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You know what's even cooler? A little lore for that whole situation. So, you know when you came to MC for Bohemian Grove.
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Oh, this is yeah, this is a great.
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This is so cool, man. We. So we put you up at a hotel that's not far from here.
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C
Well, no, it's actually quite far.
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Yeah.
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Probably like two miles.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And while you were there, you told us that you. You took to walking around and. And kind of scoping out the villages because it is a. It's a sight to behold. It's a bizarre kind of place here, the villages. It's Disney World for retirees. And you ended up at a coffee shop on more than one occasion during your stay. And you use that coffee shop to. It was kind of the home base for you writing your jokes. And. And that coffee shop turned out to be the standard coffee shop. So before this is cool for the audience, before we ever set up NDS Studios in here, before we had even met Matt Hepner, you were here writing your jokes for. For our event. It's just a. A really kind of serendipitous. Yeah, there we go. We made mad.
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I love. I love that coffee shop. I would drive to Florida for that coffee shop. Like, the coffee is so good, and I just remember getting up early. Thank you guys for that hotel room. It was awesome. But it was such a strange scene that the villages, I've heard about them for a long time. You know, I've been. I spent a lot of time in Florida growing up, but never in that part of Florida. And I just was like, I'm going to take a long walk and write while walking. And then I come upon this coffee shop that happens to be Christian. I'm like, that is amazing. So I walk in, like, love it. Love the coffee, Saw the library in the back, took a seat at the big table by the entrance, and then wrote out all the jokes on the paper I would use that night at Bohemian Grove and did the same thing for the next day. And, man, that place rules. It's so bizarre that you guys now are in there doing a show.
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It's. You know, I think God likes to make his stories cool. You know, I think that's what happened there, because we didn't even know that for a while until I ended up talking to you about the other studio, and you said, oh, my God, that's a place that, you know, I went and I said, what are the odds of that? And I'm just in this place where
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the odds are probably, like, close to zero. Like I said, close to zero. This shop is behind a Dunkin Donuts,
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and we also kill business behind, like,
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a Foxtail coffee, which I I'm probably gonna get sued for mentioning them. Oh, yeah, don't do that.
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Unbelievable. Dude, cease and desist. Incoming. So, yeah, I mean, definitely a serendipitous moment there. And it just. It makes it that much cooler, you know, the way that these things all panned out. We haven't talked to you since, you know, basically Bohemian Grove. We had a phone call because I had to reach out to you.
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A lot has changed since then. Right? We were some wild boys.
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Oh, yeah. Cash before then. Bore witness to some.
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Some obscene things, some obscenities.
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Yeah, that was a. That was a wild time, and I
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do apologize for that, Shane. I would like to know what. All right, realistically, what did you think about what happened there? Was it. I know. It was. It was fun. It was cool. Yeah, the whole thing was cool, but
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we didn't get to check in with very many of the performers at all. About, like, are you still having.
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Are you guys okay mentally?
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Like, what did you think about that? Because that was. That was. Maybe we achieved something there. We made something pretty big, in my opinion, at least. And. And it was. It was pretty crazy. I don't know. What. What did you think? What was your takeaway afterwards?
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I had a great time. I mean, there was. There was a few more shirtless men there than I would have liked.
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My apologies. And.
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And that. What's your homie's name? Who. Like, he lost a lot of weight. He looked like he was gonna die the next day.
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Alex.
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Was it? Alex. He was in. He was in. Oh, Cole. Cole. Like, he. He was telling me, like, dude, my body's, like, not functioning right. I'm like, are you gonna be okay? Like, should you go on stage? I was actually genuinely worried for his health. I didn't think he was gonna make it. He's, like, turning green in front of me. But he was, like, doing that competition. But, dude, I laughed the whole time. I. The. The craziest memory is sitting on stage with you guys and Jake, Owen and Tripoli. So, first of all, just the Owen and Tripoli connection happening was rad.
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So cool.
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But we're on stage finding out that Trump bombed Iran, right? And so, like, I don't know, someone whispers in my ear. I think it was David.
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It was me.
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Like, it was like. It was Bush on 9 11, like, reading the books for the kids. And then I tell. I don't know who I told next to me, and they're like, I think we got to talk about this. And it was such a crazy. And then. And then we had The Trump impersonator, who happened to be in the crowd, who came on stage and then read Trump's tweet about bombing Iran. We were dying. It was so. Dude. Hilarious. I remember driving home, I drove. I started my drive back home to West Virginia. After that second night, I was gonna stay at my parents in. Where are they? North Carolina or South. I forget which Carolina they're in. But I was gonna stop halfway. I was laughing the whole way home, just like hul. What a hilarious time. Everyone made me laugh, you know, Toad singing Heil Hitler with Owen. Classic. It was just. The audience was great. There were so many people there that I've listened to before or have done shows with, like Paranoid American, who I have a lot of respect for, really enjoyed having him on my show. And yeah, just the vibe was great. You know, we had all those issues with the club beforehand, but it really worked out in the end. Where we wound up in a really cool place. Was the guy. Was the host's name name Alex or something?
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His name was Alex. Yeah, he looked like me in 10 years.
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I saw Alex. I saw him the other day in the parking lot, actually. He's. He's doing good.
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That's cool.
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I want to have him.
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This parking lot. This parking lot, you know. Hey, Lobster, we're gearing up to do it again. I don't know exactly when. Right now we're kind of aiming at June way different. If I could just get this lady to respond about the venue. We're having, go figure, problems securing a venue, but, yeah, I mean, we'd love to have you back, and this time it's going to be something a little bit different. It's. I don't know. I. I want this one to. Last one was a big middle finger to the cancellation and all these other things. This one, I want it to be what we're all good at. You know, what we all do. I mean, obviously we have comedy and we have conspiracy and we have, you know, we're. We're grounded in. In Christ. And I want that to. To come through more, which is kind of a. A bold pivot given the last one, but it's the. The true nature of the show. And, And. And I'm thinking also that it doesn't have to be. We went for like this grand slam and we had all these heavy hitters and. And now I'm thinking it's. It should be much more of the Friends of nds, you know, and. And what people come to the show to watch and. And what they've grown accustomed to because it was almost two separate things.
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Almost.
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You know what I mean? If you were a fan of the show and then you came and saw that, it was like, is MK Ultra Trauma kind of experiment, but we're gonna do something a little bit different, and I think this one is going to be. I. I want the people in this community and their ideas and their. Their outlook on life and the direction that everything is going in, and we're going to get into that. I want those ideas to shine. I want those people's opinions and research to. To shine.
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So, yeah, it's like a. It's almost like playtime is over.
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Yeah.
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That was our last bit of unhinged fun.
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Yeah.
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If you call it that. And that there's still a place for that. But I feel like that time is quickly moving on, especially with, like, yesterday. Trump is like, hey, let's talk about aliens. And I'm like, all right, we're. We're here. We're here now. All the. All the stuff we've been practicing for and we've been talking about all the psyops are coming full circle. Yeah. And, you know, Shane's been one of the people that have been really talking about this stuff for, like, longer than we have.
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I almost. I almost don't want to get into that quite yet because there is, like, a progression, and it's very similar the way that we kind of became convicted, because I. I don't think you play with God. No, you. You just don't. If I'm gonna stand here and I'm gonna tell you that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, then there had better be some fruits that come from that. And I think that the audience and. And just in my own life, I know this. I've seen it. There's been a conviction, and I'm still a lot of the same person that I was. I don't think you get rid of it, but I've become a little bit truer in my aim. And I. And I watched you.
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Oh, yeah.
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Go through this huge moment, dude. And I know you've probably talked about this on a lot of shows. It's just been a while since we got to catch up up, and I touch on it. But this viral moment takes place in your life. You're on Tim Cast irl. You're up there with Gary the numbers guy, which the audience can attest to, is probably one of my favorite human beings. And that is. I couldn't be more sarcastic. I have a. A deep disdain That I have to mitigate because it's not right to have that kind of resentment.
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We're still praying for.
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I have literally done that. And I. I've prayed to God that this can realize, you know, the error of his ways and be a voice for the kingdom of God. You know, I think everybody. No, there's nobody. That's beyond redemption. Yeah, this can happen to anybody. So, yeah, as much as I have something that is reminiscent of disdain for him, I actually have prayed for the dude to. To come, you know, come to Christ. You're on this panel and you do something that is. I don't really have another word. It's. It's profound. It's profound because it's unorthodox. You're on a platform that doesn't typically showcase this sort of thing that you've done here the entire episode, Shane, you only responded in scripture and then you saw yourself out after some times. I. I want to talk about this.
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What does it look like? When do you get the call to even go on the show with this guy? When do you figure, like, walk me through the timeline of what's going through Shane Cashman's head that day.
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So I found out two days prior, that was a Monday, I guess. I found out Saturday, the previous Saturday morning on through TMZ and through Twitter, that there was this alleged shooting on the property where we all recorded. So I was like, that's weird. But, you know, it's kind of part of like the whole thing. People swatting Tim. That's been happening for years now. So it's kind of just used to, you know, whatever is going on, whoever did it, if it happened, you're like, it's just a weather pattern at work. People don't like Tim, that's fine. And we've had bomb sniffing dogs come through the old studio, bomb sniffing robots. So I'm like, that's gonna be interesting thing to talk about Monday. And because there's this whole. Now it's like this trending story. Everyone's talking, like, TMZ is talking about all these people, Fox and all, whatever. And, you know, it happened what they say happened happened at like, where I would have been recording at the hour. I would have been there. But I don't record Friday nights. And that happened like the Friday after, like the night after, like Milo Yiannopoulos was there and I was just like, with Milo and brought Milo into the studio and all that stuff the day before. So there's this like, weird shift now because people are like, Whoa. We're like, Tim and them are saying they're going to leave forever. Which he said. He said that publicly. And so I show up on Monday.
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The idea that he was going to leave, like, the whole. Yeah, like the whole area. Operation, pick up, move elsewhere, he said
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before, you know, And I. We've got roots here now. I really like it here. I love my church. Our kids have friends here. Our kids have, like, kind of moved around quite a bit the past six years.
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Different.
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Few different houses just because of work. And so I'm here. I'm like, well, they're moving, they're moving. And that's. That's fine. I'll do what I can do from home or just do something else and show up Monday. I always do Tim's show on Mondays, and I had no idea who was on at all. But showing up, there's already, like, a weird vibe at the studio for whatever went on the weekend. And they're like, all right, go upstairs. You know, there's, like, managers, like, producers downstairs. Like, I head up, da, da, da, da. I go take my typical seat. I have all these other things planned to talk about because pretty much every time I've been on those past few months has been like, them talking about what they don't agree with on Candace Owens. It's become like a reaction show to Candace sometimes. But, like, I'm the only one who's defending her. I like Candace. And Candace and I had a pretty big disagreement over the Eliza Blue story. She made a whole video about it. And then she sent me this crazy message. This is like, five, six years ago. Five years ago. And then we had a wonderful phone call. It was so nice. She was so cool. We heard each other out. We didn't change each other's minds. But, like, I was like, I respect that because if you'll remember, no one was happy with me except for a few of you. But, like, I still feel the same way about that story. And she might, but I don't know. It's funny because now she says a lot of things that I did say in that story, like gang stalking and PR stuff. That's weird. But anyway, I was like, I'll never forget that. I don't have to agree with everything she says, but, like, I know she's not whatever everyone's saying she is, because I've talked to her. She was like a human being. She really did hear me out. And in the media space, which is so godless, it is very rare, you know, like, I can see you Guys, people I actually talk to who are real human beings. There's a handful of other people out there because more or less in the media space, there are no friends. Everyone, people will stand on your corpse to get to the next spot to. It's that ladder of success in the media space is built by corpses of people that use people say, were your friends. So go up to work, go sit down. I'm prepared to talk about Candace, whatever else is in the news that day and this thing that happened at work. I have no idea who Gary is at all until I see his name now on the list. And I see he's got the number 33 in his name. I'm already like, oh geez, what is this guy? And so I'm preparing. I. I typically have my notes, I'm writing my notes down. And he then Gary says, there's no Christians here, right? In a way that I'm like, okay. Like, he wasn't saying like, like my Christian brothers. He was like, in a very mocking tone. I just let it go in one ear and like out the other. I'm like, whatever I can. Now I kind of see like this is Slob with all these rings on and he's got a leather jacket and I think he's wearing like a raven's hat.
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And very, very far and few in between that you, you meet somebody who is like openly adversarial against Christians. And this isn't taking place on the Internet. It's a unique situation. But no one heard since that might.
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That wasn't live. Like, he didn't say that part live, so no one heard that. But like then we go live and so we know we go around. Everyone says like their introduction, whatever. And I typically have my thing. I'm gonna promote my show that will be on later that night, which I do live. And right before it comes to me, I'm like, what? I just, like a download from God was just like, just read scripture tonight. And so the first one I started with was one that my mother in law had sent me just a few days prior, which I really love. And so I opened with that one and, and then I was just like, I kept saying like in my. I have this conversation in my head. I'm only gonna have this conversation. I'm only going to speak scripture if I even talk. And I usually talk a lot, you know, like I'm on IRL quite a bit and I love that show. I have a lot of fun on that. And despite, you know, people will laugh at me for Saying things that have been coming true lately. But, yeah, every time it came around to me, you know, they start freaking out about Candace, of course. And instead of me, like, I had these things I was going to say, but it's like, I'm just. I was just going to repeat myself. Like, I've said these things a million times. There's no reason to say it again. It was just like, okay, I need to speak scripture. I need to hear it. This numbers guy needs to hear it because he's saying really bad stuff, like, idolatrous stuff that I don't like. And at the same time, Tim was really, really angry at Candace and using language I was just like, I thought was beneath him, you know, and he's apologized for that like, a week later or so. So I remember at one point, like, I hadn't talked for maybe 30 minutes, which is rare. And Tim's like, what does Shane think about this? I'm like, well, I don't have to just go to scripture. I'm just reading scripture, reading scripture, reading scripture. And then. And Gary starts mocking it. I forget what he's saying, but he's like, oh, your God is not coming back. It's been 2,000 years. That it? I'm just, yeah, really? Like, that's, like, very condescending.
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It's not just condescending, that kind of specificity, you know, when it comes to, like, your gods not coming back, that's like demonic. That's like, that's not somebody that's going like, well, I don't know if as.
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C
As I'm hearing this now. Like, I only saw your clips and maybe a couple of other clips with you and Gary kind of going back and forth. I didn't realize that Tim had that. The animosity and like, the, that language toward Candace in the same clip. But now that I'm thinking about it, maybe I'm crazy. You're. I would, I would love to have been in that room and to have. Have been looking at it through the eyes of, like, Balaam after his eyes were revealed, you know, after the donkey speaks to him and he goes, hey, hold on a second. There's actually an angel here. Like, if. Shout out to Timothy Alvareno if I would. If you'd be able to see into the spiritual realm. I wonder what you'd see in that room because you have Shane, who is now, like, it's almost like. Like something has put its hand on your shoulder and it's like, here, read, like, just speak my word. And on the. Yeah, from what I heard from this dude, it's blatant antichrist rhetoric, which is in America and to today in America at this time period, at the very least, or, you know, a couple months ago, it's almost. It's not unheard of, but it's very. Still very brash to go at Christ like that, to go at Christians in general. So it's like, there is a spirit in this room. I wonder if that, like, had anything to do with the things that were. Or, like, the anger that's, like, that was able to manifest in Tim, like, because I don't think. I don't think Tim is really acknowledging this realm or the activity that it could play on a person. But, like, there's something going on in this room.
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Tim will say he believes in God, but he's. He's not a Christian, and he doesn't believe in, like, the resurrection. But Gary was actively getting angrier the more I read from scripture. All I did was read scripture, and he got angry and angrier. I had never read scripture in a room full of people who don't take it seriously. Serge. Serge, I guess, does. I forget what. He's Christian, but he's got some denomination he goes by. I forget what it is. And Phil was, like, a Catholic when he was a kid. And, you know, Phil did text me during the episode being like, how demonic is this? And I was like, yeah.
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Which is like, you know, that's a guy that. That I've had my. My odds with, Phil Labonte. But I was. I was pleased to hear because that's like, I don't really care about beef between me and another individual. As soon as you start to, like, see what I see or, you know, start to. I mean, identifying that as demonic is like, that's awesome. Glad to hear it.
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B
I. I totally saw it. And then he said, I. He said, I think Shane is wearing the armor of God.
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C
Yeah.
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B
When people get, like, a little weirded out that I wasn't saying anything else, so I was like, you know, it's telling Phil, like, thank you through text. And, you know, he didn't have to do it, but that was dope of him. And. And then I. We kind of sparred. I sparred with Gary only through scripture because he kept talking about what I was saying about God not coming back and all this stuff and mocking Jesus. And then I always leave early. So some people were like, he just peaced out. But I always leave IRL, like, 20 minutes before the end of the show on Mondays because I go get ready to do my show at 10 o'. Clock. So some people are like, he just left. I'm like, well, I always leave. It did look like I just peaced out, but I was just reading scripture and then got up and left. But it's typically what I always do. And that was it. Never, you know, I never really had a reaction like that from the. From the Internet. That was one of the most viral things that I've experienced.
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Well, that's what I want to ask people in scripture. So how is it received? I mean, what does it look like going forward? You do a bit of a. I mean, I know you said you had to get out of there early because you got this thing to do, but it's a bit of a mic drop, right? I mean, you read scripture only, and then you get up and you go do what you got to do. It's a. It's a challenging thing to resist the urge to put your own 2 cents into the situation, especially when you're sitting next to a guy like that. I know there's a lot of, you know, sort of instinct to defend yourself or defend your ideas, and instead you just stick to scripture. When that's all said and done, you know, what's the reaction like from your peers, right?
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Your co workers.
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But then the Internet at large, I mean, what is that all? Because, you know, I'm biased. I look at it and I go, that crushes. We're showing the clips here at the shop. And Matt, you know, the host of Straight Bible, he's like, this guy is awesome. Like, this guy wrote jokes in your shop. He's like, he. To him, that's a feather in his cap to be associated even. Even, you know, peripherally with you and what you did there. You know, he sees this, and I agree, as a huge moment for the Word of God. The platform is huge. I imagine the, The. I don't want to call it fallout because it's. It's got to be mixed, right? What was that like?
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B
Yeah, I didn't really hear from anybody after that. I think everyone from work, that is, you know, they were, I think, so engrossed with whatever was going on. And then they, you know, for those who watch irl, they know, like, right after that, I think it was that week they pretty much left for Miami. It might have been another week or two, but soon after that, everyone left. And I was one of a few people left here in West Virgin. And so I heard from a few people at work, and they're like, stoked. About it. I don't think there's lots of Christians there, but I don't really. There's been a lot of, like, there's new people there. I don't really know. And I kind of just like, don't go there as often as other people do who work there. Like, I got family, you know, I got.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Errands to do and Bible study at night and stuff like that. So, you know, there's a lot of people there who I. They don't know me. I don't really know them. And they're doing different things, different shows. But outside of that, I had just like a crazy response from people online. I didn't. I didn't expect it. And like, I just wanted people to hear the scripture, you know, and that was amazing, the response from people. I didn't have to say anything. I didn't want to offer any $0.02 because, like, the only thing that matters is the word right here in the. In the Bible. And that is the shield and my sword. And I felt like I was floating out of that room afterwards, you know, like, it really. It was a very dark night in that room. It did not feel good. That guy Gary was, you know, when I said I'd pray for him at the very end, he goes, don't pray for me. When you pray, you become pray. I'm like, okay, what is that?
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A
I. I love that dumb word play crap. People get caught up in that. They'll build entire theories just off of, like, wordplay. I mean, I think there may be some. And then, you know, word association. That's fair to do.
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B
He made a video about how, like, he's gonna come after my kids and convert them. I'm like, dude, that is so demonic.
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A
That's so evil. But.
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B
And then. Oh, real quick. I mean, this is another good insight to how, you know, maybe some of my co workers took that night. When I left the room, Gary said something about, like, something being ridiculous, me being ridiculous. I don't forget what it was. And then a said, you don't sound. To Gary, you don't sound half as ridiculous as he does. Talking about me. I'm like, dang, you know, me and a lot, we can get along outside of the show, but, like, if you've ever seen us on the show together, we really don't agree on much at all. Yeah, he's, you know, he's into. He's like a neocon. And he's very proudly will say that about himself. I am not. And we'll disagree on Whatever it is, Israel Epstein, you name it and you know, it is what it is. But I thought that was a pretty interesting insight into him and how he saw that. So that's why I made sure to include it in my clip.
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A
I thought it was, it made him look, you know, obviously I'm biased. I thought it made him look retarded, especially just given if you know who this guy is. And look, I, I'm gonna say is
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C
that guy, does he follow Judaism or is he just like a non atheistic?
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B
Well, I think he, he's Jewish. I don't know if he actually practices. You know, I think like a lot of modern Jews in America, especially from New York, they just say they're Jewish. I don't think there's any like, you know, I have friends who are Orthodox Jewish and they don't agree with Israel, they don't like Netanyahu, and they don't like people who just say they're Jewish but don't practice. Right. You know, you look up the Haredi Jews who actually think Israel is a heresy to have a state of Israel, the government is heresy before their Messiah comes. Obviously we disagree on that with the Messiah, but it's just interesting to think about the levels of Judaism and like, you know, Orthodox Jews really don't, I don't say they, they don't like lesser Jews who don't practice Judaism, but they obviously see it as like a. Well, are you really Jewish? Right. If it's like being Christian but like you don't read the Bible, you don't believe in Christ, you don't believe in the Resurrection. Like, well, what, what is this? This is not right. So I think that's what a lot is. But he's very, he gets very emotional about it if you question it. And you know, I just think it's ridiculous.
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C
Well, did you, did you read any scripture from the Old Testament?
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B
Yeah, well. Well, I guess not technically Old Testament. I did read Psalms, but like, I guess if for the Jews, you know, they don't have that in theirs. But in all, obviously our Old Testament, we have it. So I was reading from Psalms, I don't think maybe I read some Proverbs, but I love the Psalms. The Psalms are just incredible. Like I was just reading Psalm 73. It's so gangster. It's like more like you can have metal lyrics that hit hard, but this is more metal than metal bands. Like, it's like every. There's love, there's love poems in here, hardcore songs about your enemies, you know, just the fear of the Lord. It's so good. But, yeah, I went mostly. Went through. I think it was mostly a lot of New Testament stuff with some psalms in there. But, yeah, I guess I just sound ridiculous to those who don't take it seriously, which is fine. You know, it. It showed me how powerful. I know how powerful the word is. But when you say it in a room full of people who don't take it seriously, who actually want to mock it, you can feel the word actually, like, materialize in a room and actually have a profound effect on people, and they have, like, chemical reactions, like. Like legion, right? Like, yeah, you know, legion. We are legion. They know. They can instantly tell this is Christ. And, you know, obviously, maybe not just like that, but the word had this crazy effect on Gary in particular that I had never experienced. And he was squirming. I mean, I don't know if Serge caught every. He went back and forth pretty well for our interaction. But I'm watching this guy. He was sitting right next to me. I'm at the end of the table. I have Tim to my right and Gary to my left, right next to me, and he is visit, like, physically, like, almost like, trying to get away from the word squirming.
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A
Squirming. Yeah.
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B
Yeah, exactly. It was really bizarre.
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A
This is a guy that got on my radar a long time ago.
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C
Can I. Can I just say something about this? It's like. It's also a little bit of inside baseball, but with the whole breakup. You were part of the whole breakup of Tower, as a matter of fact. I blame Shane mostly.
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A
Yeah, that's accurate, but.
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C
Sorry, that was happening. Tripoli did a show at. At Clint Studio, which I had set up, and then he shot over and he did Bohemian Grove, and there were a couple other people at the studio that were doing the shows with them and stuff, and. And one of them came back, and they reported to us. They were like. Because they. They don't know that. They didn't know the details of why this all happened. They're like, why. Why is it broken up? Why are they here 20 minutes from you guys and not coming? Yeah, what's happening?
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A
Why are they doing podcasts with your headlining comedian that you paid to fly out here? But they're not coming. Yeah, but they're not coming to the thing.
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C
But one of the. I was like. I was like, yeah. You know, I was like, all crazy stuff happened, and. And the guy mentioned to us. He's like, yeah. They just kept harping on this idea that, like, you Guys have went Christian that basically were phonies.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And we went. We. We went so hard into Christianity, and this is why. This is, like, a big reason for the breakup. And I was like, that was never. It was crazy because that. That was never mentioned. Like, the Christianity for us has always been implied. For me, in my entire life, it's been this underlining thing of who I am. But obviously, you see, like, you know, we're doing comedy. We're doing. We're talking politics. We're talking about conspiracies. Like, I'm multifaceted in that way, and it was never something that I led with. Although now I think things are changing. Now I'm like. Because now I'm like, okay, why did that. Specifically, why was that one of your major gripes with us? And. And since. Since then, I have spoken to some of the people who have, you know, broken up and, like, had things to say about us. And. And we're amicable. It's fine. But it's still, like, a little pin that I put in there. And I'm like, what happened? Like, I never. I never, like, overtly preached the gospel to you. I never shoved it down your throat. That happened to me as a kid, and I won't. That's not my style of. Of the great commission of reaching people. I just live how I live. And if you ask me, I'll tell you about this, and I guess, like, how I'm behaving and how even though, like, we did a racist show.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It's like, our behavior still.
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A
Well, I think the.
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C
Was offensive to you guys in this way, and it was just baffling. But it is similar. Like, you're in a room full of people who don't believe or take this seriously, and you can feel it. And when you feel that, you can either go, oh, I better shut up and cower from this, or I can be retarded. Retardio, and say what I believe.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Because honestly, you're gonna sit here and
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A
say what you believe?
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C
You believe a whole bunch of. I should. I'm gonna do the same thing.
- [35:32]
B
I'm not gonna be proud about the material world. Right. Like, I'm not worried about people's reactions to that. And I. I knew I. I wanted to glorify God. I knew the audience needed to hear. Everyone in the room needed to hear it, and I needed it. And I have, in the same way that I lost friends during COVID lockdowns for saying, like, the George Floyd riots are stupid or I'm not Getting vaccinated, all those things. When I got baptized, I lost friends in a. In, like, in ways I didn't expect. You know, like, people who. Who might say they're conservative or whatever, just off my R.A. just disappeared. Like. And I. And I'm not the price. I'm like, you top. Like, I'm not going to go out, like, force the gospel on you. I will find ways to bring it up when I can. But, like, I had the same experience growing up and being. I was atheist for the majority of my life, so I was really, like, averse to it, but always, like, reading the Bible in a weird way. But, like, I just noticed that people just seeing you accept Christ and that knowing you had this change inside of you, that's enough for them to be like, I need distance. Because now they see you as. They might see you as less than. Because they see you as like, oh, he needs God. He needs Christ. Like, yeah, no, we all do. All of us are sinners. And I pray for you. And, you know, I. But I know how I was in the past being so stubborn and being averse to religion, and I know that anyone can be. Can change. That's why when I told Gary I was praying for him, I didn't just say, like, I didn't mean it. Right. I'm like, because Saul became Paul. Right? There's people who are really bad people who can be redeemed. That's the whole point. And it's amazing. And, you know, I've not been perfect. I am not an angel. None of us are. So I still try to extend that grace to people even when they've distanced themselves from me pretty, like, you know very clearly what they're doing. And right after the. The baptism, which my wife and I did in a river here in West Virginia, which was pretty sick.
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A
That's awesome.
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B
I loved it. But, like, even the baptism is, like, something I didn't have to do it. You know, it was more of, like, an outward symbolism of I wanted to show my kids I've had a big change inside. Right? Yeah. Now, this is. I want you to see how important this is to me. Right. I don't need to do it, I guess, but, like, I really wanted to do it to show my kids how important that was.
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A
And it's like a proclamation. I mean, you know, there are a lot of things that we do outwardly and inwardly and for. For bad reasons. You know what I mean? You might be the type of guy that covers your, you know, bedroom when you're Younger in Star Wars. You know, decor posters and action figures and all these other things. That's an outward proclamation that you're making kind of flippantly. We make a million outward proclamations, bad ones throughout our life. Yeah, you don't have to be baptized. But I think it is when you make this proclamation, it's. It's the spirit realm. Whether or not it exists, notices it, takes note, and. And things start to move in a certain way. I. I got a shout out to Scott, who's a. One of our big supporters, is always in the chat. And when we had this falling out and Tower Gang fell apart, and we were kind of left in this place of, like, confusion, like, what just happened. Scott, you know, I'm very much new in my walk, and I wasn't raised in the church, so Scripture is something that, like, everything is new to me. And he sent Second Corinthians 6:14, and it says, be not equally. I'm sorry. Unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness, and what communion hath light with darkness? And that terminology yoked. I had to look it up to be like, what exactly does that mean? And it's a. It's a relationship, right? And for us, there. There was a business. A real business relationship. If you look at where the show is now, there's so many moving parts. It's. It's become such a big operation. And we were really, really close to putting in, even on paper, you know, business arrangements and agreements, and that was on the horizon. We were just trying to get past Bohemian Grove. That was a real thing that was going to take place, and God just pulled that off the table. And I think that if you're serious about orienting towards God, you know, you don't have to be this outspoken guy who's like, you know, like, what you did, like, reading scripture on this show and everything. It's like God gives you what you need when you need it. As long as you're earnest in your orientation towards him, and he strengthens you when you need to be strengthened, you know, the. In your mind. I think what I'm getting at is you have all these ideas about what this looks like, you know, to. To walk in this way and. And to pursue a relationship with God. And it's like, I think it really is a. You know, when they say God gives you a spirit of. Of peace and of sound mind, like, yeah, you lay these things on him and you don't worry about like, well, what am I gonna do when this happens? Or what am I gonna do when that happens? It's like, when it happens, if you're earnest about your walk with God, he's going to strengthen you and embolden you when the time comes. There's no reason to even think about those things. It's like, you didn't go in there premeditated outside of the day before, the night before that you were gonna read Scripture. He puts a thing on your heart and then that thing happens, or he removes a relationship from your life and you're. You're gonna understand later on. You know, I. I think it's just. It's. That's. I think maybe what it means to kind of give your life over. It's like to give almost your agency over. I'm just saying that because there's so much that I think is misunderstood from the outside looking in about what it means, which is why I think we confuse a lot of people. Just like, that's not what a Christian is, you know, Nephilim Death squad isn't what a Christian is. The things they say are the things they do. And it's like, I don't. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a Christian is, and I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the spirit of God does in a person's life and what that looks like.
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C
So that's a scripture that we were reading through on straight Bible the other day, and it's Luke. I mean, it's mentioned a couple of times, but in the account of Luke, Luke 12:11 and 12:12, and when they bring you unto the synagogues and unto the magistrates and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say. For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in that same hour what ye ought to say.
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A
Yeah, dude.
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C
And that's mentioned like three times. And it's like. I mean, I'm sure that I've read this as a child, but it's something. It's not something that I, Like, I was actively knowing, you know what I mean? Not like I referenced this and said, oh, I should tattoo that on my arm so that I remember it. But it is. It's like a de facto knowledge like that if you do rely on this thing. Yeah, it'll tell you what to do.
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B
Yeah, dude. I've been going through the proverbs, you know, I think they're. They're brilliant. And the like, look at. What is this? Proverbs 1:7, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Fools despise wisdom and instruction. And like so much of today is like people pretending to think they, people pretending or cosplaying as wise. Right. But it's godless wisdom. Right. And it's people who are married to the material world. And then you can look at the people like from Silicon Valley, these like lizard freaks of nature like Zuckerberg, Peter Teal, J.D. vance, whatever and of a vague. And they are trying to manufacture a false heaven on this earth through what they think is wisdom. But it's anti Christian, it's Antichrist for sure. And you know, I don't buy into that at all. And so, you know, a great little, just a little example of that that's so out in the open. I'm sure we all know it's, it's almost silly to even mention at this point. But like the apple in the design with the, with the bite. Yeah, I mean like they are very openly saying like we are trying to recreate our own theology here. So there's that type of bad wisdom out there. But there's also so many people talking about saying like, oh, nephilim death squad, that doesn't look like Christian. Or they can say that to me, whatever. There are so many people who might be your cookie cutter looking Christians who are deep down actually demonic. Right. Maybe it's bad theology.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Maybe they're cheaters. Maybe they do horrible things, they're violent and you know, I pray for everybody and that you can be redeemed. But very dangerous to be out there promoting bad theology, you know, within your church. It's, it's just as bad, if not worse than a lot of the leftists who the right, conservative, right types always rail against, who then themselves turn out to be like, I mean, how many stories do we have growing up of like conservative Republican caught in a bathroom, you know, with a gay lover, you know, like, okay, like most you guys are just gay, huh?
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A
Well, that's the thing that I think there's like a special, there's a special punishment for those who like proclaim the faith and cause people to fall away. And if you're like a church in particular and you cause people to fall away, now I think people can misinterpret things and fall away on their own accord and you could have the best intentions and you know, but if you're doing something and it's fundamentally wrong and that's causing people to fall away, that, that to me is like, that seems to be a, a unique sort of punishment I just want to toss this on here real quick too, because Shane mentioned the idea of the Apple computer and first Apple computer, the Apple One, went on sale July 1976 for 666.66. It's like they didn't even, they didn't hide a damn thing, you know, and they, I guess they still don't.
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B
They get off on doing in the open. Like people always like, you know, if I'm talking about Kevin trails or something or, or like Charlie Kirk's assassination, whatever that is all about, you know, it's like, well, why would they make it so obvious? I'm like, because they actually like you to feel schizophrenic. They want you to be mocked for questioning what they do so openly. That's like evil gives them a bonus. Some, some does, but. Yeah, right, exactly. They fetishize this stuff. They want you to see it happening and be like, that's how powerful we are. You know, we'll email about it all the time, you know, well, you can read about it.
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A
I, I wanna, I wanna get to this part of this.
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C
I just, I just want to say one more thing. Backtracking to what you said about like. I think you said something like as you change inside, other people resent hiss at you, they resent your change. I, I agree, but I think that like you might be looking at it a little, maybe from like a slightly incorrect angle. They're, it's not that they're seeing the change in you, it's that they're offended. It's, it's almost like you're holding up a mirror to them. Yeah, this is what I've noticed because this happened to me like when I was, when I fell away from the church. And then you see somebody that is walking that like, like the right way and they come to you. I go, oh, like I'm, I'm offended by it. I almost want to hate that person. But yeah, upon further inspection I realized like, no, that was just me. That was the reaction that I'm having to what you're putting out. And like, you're not doing it on purpose. Like, I'm not. I was still doing all the things that I was doing, but like inside of me that change was happening and that light was bright enough to really shine some light. And, and now that other person has to look at you and they have to be introspective of themselves. And that's hurtful because a lot of times if I have to be introspective of myself, I have Changes to do. And I've got a lot of things that I have to kill inside myself, and nobody wants to do that. It's painful. It's embarrassing.
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B
It's kind of like my parents, when they get a little upset for me and Nance raising the kids in a way that wasn't like, how they raised us, because it's like, they're like, well, we did it, and you're fine. I'm like, am I fine? Like, are my sisters okay? But, like, they'll. They'll be like, well, why would you worry about eating this type of food or doing this or that? And then they. They see it, whether they actually are conscious of it or not. They see it as, like, a slight of their parenting. But, like, we just have new information, different information. I'm not doing it because I didn't appreciate being raised by them, and they did things wrong. Like, we all mess up. We're all just learning as we go. But, like, it is. That is a good point, is people.
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A
It's.
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B
You're causing them to look inside themselves, and they. Some people react in a positive way, and some people react in a negative because some people don't want to realize or be conscious of the fact that they might be missing something.
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C
Yeah. You've illuminated a light in a dark room, and, I mean, you see it politically all the time, where it's like, here's some new information, boomer. Here. Here's 6 million Epstein files. Like, take a look at it. And now I'd rather.
- [48:02]
B
I'd rather read about Nancy Guthrie's kidnapping, to be honest. That seems to be more important than the 3 million Epstein files about Luciferian cannibals and people manufacturing war all the time.
- [48:14]
C
This is actually. So our canary in the coal mine is the coffee shop, and we're able to talk to the. The general population here. And. Yes. Somebody just asked us again about the. The Guthrie kidnapping. And I'm just like, I couldn't care less, dude.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
But I think Matt brought that up the other day, and I was like, did you.
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B
Did you see that Savannah Guthrie published a book, like, a year ago? Did you see this?
- [48:36]
A
No. What is it about? Kidnapped her?
- [48:39]
B
Yes, yes. In that book from a year ago, she talks about a family tradition of a family kidnapping.
- [48:48]
A
Come on, man.
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B
Once a year, sort of. God, dude, it's out there. It's so bizarre. It's all so fake. It's so.
- [48:55]
A
Oh, yeah. Well, this is so. I don't know if you. Because I just went to the bathroom Tradition. Is that what kidnapped the family? You know, uncle, cousin, sister. I don't know if you. If you asked this while I was away, but. But I, I. You know, as we're getting into this now, all these things, these great revelations and, you know, whatever to make of them, it's. It's a very messy situation. But, you know, you're this guy who has this history on. On Tim cast of saying what seems to be obtuse, outrageous things, and you have a great comedic, you know, like, a sense of humor. So a lot of the way you present these things, you know, can be funny, but a lot of truth, a tremendous amount of truth is in the things that you're joking about on this show. And. And that comedy makes it palatable. So nobody ever, like, kicks you out of the room. But overwhelmingly on the show, it seems that most people disagree with your takes on the nature of reality, I think is a good way to put it.
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C
The craziest thing to me is, like, when he'll. When you go on about the fake clouds, and they're like, shane's so crazy. And then you guys go outside, probably smoke a cigarette, and there's just, like.
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A
Just under the fake clouds.
- [50:02]
B
Yeah, that's the best part was it was actually showing up one Monday night and then realizing that the cloud maker was on. I had no idea. I had no idea. And I'm like, I've been waiting to talk to this guy forever. He ghosted me. Like, his. His publicist ghosted me, I think, because they looked up probably his name on my Twitter feed and saw that I've just been mocking him for two years and, like. But he'd been making the rounds.
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A
That's a good reason to mock a man.
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B
Yeah, he'd been making the rounds. He did Tim's show and everything. I was telling everybody. I'm like, dude, this guy is a fraud, and he's a Peter Thiel test tube baby, like J.D. vance. And I was like, I was very polite the whole episode, you know, except for the very beginning. I just said, I. You guys all make fun of me on this show, talking about fake clouds. Well, here's the face of Big Cloud right here, literally making fake clouds. And that was it. He later would say he had seen things I said online, you know, whatever. I forget what those things were, but they were. They were not very nice. He's mutilating the sky. And then we did get into it towards the end of the episode, and then we had a debate set up, and he bounced. He goes to Me on the debate and everything. But, yeah, they. They like to laugh at me. I think sometimes it. If I'm not saying it funny, I think I'm saying things that sound so absurd that it's easier for people to laugh it off than to accept that it might be a reality. And so, you know, me and Phil might, like. I don't say, get into it because, like, I like talking to Phil, and he's always asking, like, questions, and he might not agree with the answers, but whatever.
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C
But we'll.
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B
One of the things we talk about quite a bit on the show would be like, well, people don't care about Epstein. I'm like, I think they do. And I talk to real people in the real world, and they care more about that stuff than they do about the economy. Now he'll be like, well, people would say it's the economy, stupid. And I think that used to be true. And obviously people want to afford gas, they want to afford groceries. But the change that's happened over the past, we'll say five or six years since COVID really, or a large portion of the people, thanks to the blessing of COVID waking some of these people up to how much they lie to us about everything, people are now seeing major things unfold in reality and being like, that's fake, that's fake, that's fake. They're lying to us. They want to kill us, they want to destroy us, they want to poison us, and it's godless. And I'll be like, phil, the reason the Epstein files are important is because all the things you're talking about being important, the economy, the laws they're passing, whatever policies we want to debate about, they're. They're being, like, puppeteered by people behind the scenes, like an Epstein. So when Trump is saying he's running on Agenda 47 to obliterate the deep state, a part of that deep state is the invisible network that is global that includes a Jeffrey Epstein who works for every country. It seems like Israel, I mean, maybe Russia, maybe Iran, who.
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A
You name it.
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B
He's worked us, obviously, the CIA. He's got deep ties with CIA and Mossad. Like, he's. And it's a lineage thing of, like, Robert Maxwell did basically the same thing. Glenn's father. So I'm like, I get what you're saying, but you gotta understand it's so much more deeper than that, you know, because they are passing these laws because maybe they were told to pass those laws, and maybe they're told to pass them because they'll be like, if you don't, we'll either kill you or we'll release that video we took of you, or we'll just make something up and they'll. No one cares because we also develop AI and whatever. So I think it's very, very important that we talk about it. And it is funny that after all these years of me saying things like, we live in a culture that is promoting human sacrifice, whether it's young women going or any age woman going to Planned Parenthood and killing their baby, they promoted this idea that that's a good thing. Or it's people who are in the upper echelons of society actually doing rituals where they, you know, kill or harm the innocent and children. It's, it's seems to be that we've been getting insights into that cult of them, you know, in these files. And I think it's massively important. And I've dedicated a lot of time on my show just reading through them, you know, for the past three weeks, you know, and I, some, it's, it's a lot for some people. And I understand some people, like, I just don't want to accept that reality again. Going back to, like, why people might laugh it off because it's, it's just easier. And I get that. That's something I, I, I've experienced before, like writing a story, you know, about catching pedophiles in Ohio with Alex Rosen. And there are people who hit me up be like, that's cool you did that. But I, I just can't read that. It's too much. And I'm like, I get it, but you don't have to, but you should be aware that this evil is out there. And it's at every, it's on the fringes of society, it's hidden on the fringes of society, but it's also everywhere and other, every other institution in our society all the way up to the top and then beyond that top, like the Rothschilds, and beyond that, whatever is above them. So, yeah, this is why, this is
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A
why it was always difficult to engage with not only politics, but like on the show Dangerous Retards. It's because we're having a conversation about a thing like the symptoms and not the cause or the, you know, the origins of the disease and surface level stuff. This is why I would, you know, for a while it was like a joke. We made that, that clip one time where it was me saying, politics is Theater like 100 times across a bunch of different shows, because it is. It's a theater. That is the result of exactly what Shane is describing. Now I want to pull it back real quick to the face of Big Cloud. It's a fascinating thing, what you were subjected to there in that moment, Shane, because what that is is like first they, they ridicule when they deny that's not a reality. And you're an asshole for saying it's a reality. And then eventually it comes around to admitting that it is a reality, but certainly not to the degree that you think it is. And then it ends up being the face of Big Cloud making the rain. You know, the, the, the. The rounds on. You don't understand. This is actually good for you. It's sure it does exist, but you're wrong. It's not bad.
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B
And he's a liar. And he's a straight up liar. That dude is a liar. He also says he's Christian. He lied right to my face. I called him out.
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A
A Christian would never make clouds.
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B
Yeah, like, he's probably. He's. He's as Christian just like his little daddy. Peter Thiel's Christian. You know, Peter Thiel's a married gay man who's purchased little boys and clavicular might even be his son for all I know. But, like, they're all fake and. And they probably, you know, have to sell bags of blood to Peter Thiel so he can try to live longer. But, you know, he lied to me right there on the show. He said, we don't. We're not doing this. We don't. Our data centers don't eat that much water, and I'm not making rain for the data centers. I'm like, you have literally said this. You said this on Sean Ryan show.
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A
Like, I've.
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B
I have studied you, dude, because I have been talking about fake clouds forever. And then I saw you actually are, quote, unquote, the rainmaker. I'm like, you. I know what you're gonna say. I know everything about your little argument, and it's totally fraudulent. And everything he said was like, he didn't expect. I don't think he expected that, like, pushback at all because he'd been making the rounds and everyone loves him and he's got, like, a cool mullet. So it's like, he's got to be cool, but he's just like the rest of the tech guys and they don't care about humanity. He's lying when he says he wants to save the farmers because they're actually all his friends are killing the farmland. They're buying the farmland. They're plopping down data centers on the farmland, and then he's going to make fake rain for the data centers that eat up millions of gallons of water perhaps every day, like some of them do do. So that guy is. One day we'll have.
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A
It sounds a lot like Albarino, like, coming out and expecting to be treated nicely. Everybody likes him because he wears a cool hat and carries a whip. And then all of a sudden he got.
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C
I think this is anybody, though. Anybody who is dominant in their field. The. The person who has the acceptable and allowable opinion about what's happening in their field of expertise. When you have somebody that questions them from a justified manner. Because, you know, that happens sometimes where people are kind of being goofy with the. But like. Or if you actually hold them too and you go, no, no, I need you to explain exactly what you said. These people are, like, mostly inadequate. Yeah, yeah.
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A
They crumble.
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C
It's been pathetic to see actually, like time and time again.
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A
Well, this, this, this idea that you've been sifting through these Epstein files there is. It's funny because you're the guy that was like, kind of the fringe novelty on the show. And then, of course, you know, it seems to be that your last major interaction there was reading scripture to a numerologist. And. And now we're in this season where. And I'm sure, I'm sure you're just, you're just, you're covered in. In you were rights at the moment. You know what I mean? Because we're in this season of vindication. And I'm sure what that means, Shane, is that everybody's come to you and gone. Wow. Shane, you were absolutely correct. That's. That's sarcasm. Because I don't think that happens. It's weird.
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C
They're looking at. They're looking at Shane as he walks through the office, and they're like, that's the guy.
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A
I don't even know why. There's like a cognitive dissidence. I don't think they have that thought. Because if I had that thought, I'd be like, dude, you were right. Let'.
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C
The thought that they have is the same thing with the Rainmaker dude, where they go, Shane, that's clearly not happening. You're a crazy person. Okay, Shane, it might be happening, but not to that extent.
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B
Right.
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C
And then you get this guy coming in, they go, okay, it's happening, but it's good.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Yeah.
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A
So is that what we're experiencing? Well, we're definitely. I I want to get into some of that because it definitely seems like we're crossing that Rubicon. Oh, yeah, I'm just making words up.
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C
No, that's the right word.
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A
That's the right word. I don't know if it's the right word, but. But we're now crossing that normalization place where there is this conversation that's being had. What's the hyper intellectual, atheistic character that used to be really big and Sam Harris, maybe Banger. You're great, dude. Yeah. Sam Harris. I saw a clip. I didn't watch it. I don't know if maybe we could find this Sam Harris saying, like, well, why shouldn't we eat babies? Which is. Which is very funny. I don't even know if that's real. I don't know if AI made it up. I'm not saying. I'm just saying I saw that clip going viral, if that's real. But. But I want to get into your thoughts specifically, Shane, as somebody who's been sounding this alarm for a long time now. We sit in this really weird place where the DOJ releases, what, 6.5 million files or some shit like that, you know, communications on Gmail, receipts for any exchanges of whatever purchases and such. But then there are other things that are a lot more egregious, and a lot of it seems to back the narratives that. That people like you and I have thought were a reality for a long time. But my conspiratorial nature, Shane, I'm, like, hitting the brakes, and I'm going, well, why does the DOJ want us to see this now? I think QAnon is. Is a psyop. And. And this feels strange to me. Is this. Is this real, or did you find it already?
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C
I sent it to you.
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A
You sent it to me. Okay, that's very funny. We'll. We'll. We'll put that in the. In the back pocket for now. What are you making of these files? What. What's your. What's your thought on, like, the temperature of things right now?
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B
I always warn people. You know, I've been saying this since the Israel stuff started popping off with, like, you know, October 7th and everything. I tell everyone quite often on Twitter to remain suspicious of anything. That confirms your bias. Right? And so that's for. That's for everyone on all sides. There's a lot of confirmation bias spilling out of the Epstein files.
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A
Indication is a slippery slope.
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B
Right? So I. I believe there are these evil factions ruling the world, and they're ancient, clearly, but I'm also like, why, like you're saying, why are we able to see this now? I believe maybe one theory is because they're ushering in something else to take over. You know, some people's theories is that like the new Epstein is Palantir, which makes sense because Palantir is very Epstein esque. You know, it's, it's, it's seeing everything. It's like this omniscient false God. But we are getting a lot of insights if you are to, if we are to believe the emails and messages because there's also a lot of like, claims that are in these files that are just from people saying this happened to me. And like, I don't believe all women. So, you know, you can't really believe everything you're reading in the files. But I'm also like, I'll, I'll hold on to that. I'll remember that. I don't, there's no, no way to verify it. But we've seen a lot of the emails that have been confirmed by people, whether they actually come out and say like Elon Musk. I did email those, but I've never been to the island. But I'm like, dude, it's weird that you even talk to him. If you talk to this guy post 2008, you're weird. And you probably even knew before 2008 because they, some of these people say, like, everybody knew what he was doing even before 2008 with the first conviction.
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A
So, Shane, I was bummed out because there's a fantastic researcher in the space, Rupert Sheldrake, who like does great research on the psychic phenomenon and like real observable ways, predictable ways. And, and he's shown a lot of like really compelling data on it. And like, yeah, the dude is in, he's, he seems to be funded by 2015-2018. It's like, yeah, is that necessarily, you know, Diane Powell for the telepathy to the telepathy tapes. Right, but is that necessarily a condemnation? And I think what Shane just said is the point. Post 2008, I think it's a condemnation.
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B
I think that's a definite, you know, if you're gonna take money from someone or have this like weird relationship through email or visit him post 2008 that says so much about your moral character. You know, we've seen Howard Lutnick, our Commerce Secretary, completely lie openly. We've caught him in a lie about it. We've seen the files. He's had to address them. So it's confirmation that A lot of these messages are real. So I'm looking at a lot of these messages and being like, you know, so one thing that surprised me, like, what you're saying with Sheldrake, was the ban and stuff.
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A
Stuff.
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B
Bannon, someone I've pretty much defended, you know, I've, like, a lot of things he says, you know, And I was aware of the fact that he had made a documentary of Epstein. So when I heard that years ago, I'm like, well, okay, I'm not weirded out by that, because I think you should be able to make a documentary, write a story about anybody. Write one about Hitler. You write one, you can go talk to Putin. Go talk to everybody. You know, make a documentary. Now, though, that narrative is way different. You know, then at first, it was like he was doing a rehabilitation of his character. I'm like, okay, that's bizarre.
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A
Yep.
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B
That's a line too far for me. But then it's way deeper than that. Then it's like messages between him and Epstein talking about how they can take out a Pope, how they can take out these editors, how they could take out someone within the Trump administration, 2016, and. And he's calling Epstein God. There's a picture of Epstein sitting on Bannon's lap. I'm like, how do you explain that away? And so Bannon did come out yesterday, and he was like, well, you got to look through all these messages through the lens of a documentarian making a documentary. I'm like, like, dude, that's a line too far for me. I don't think you can say those things morally and. And not have a corrupted soul when you're talking to someone like Epstein, who is a degenerate evil. And I'm saying is. Because I think he's still alive. Present tense here with Epstein. But, like, I don't think. I don't buy that narrative, that it was just for a documentary. One of the reasons being is, like, Epstein told Bannon, you should start a media company to avoid trouble. And then he started War Room, you know, so I'm like, that doesn't sound like it's documentary connected. So that's very upsetting to me. And, you know, the. The conversations between. So for one. One reason before I go to the next part, that shows me more of, like, one of the things out of those files, I think is very important for a lot of people to understand is, like, the right left thing is so stupid. We know the left is. The right is also very retarded. I'm Christian. I Like to vote for people who would do Christian, have, uphold Christian values. But I'm probably not going to vote anymore because I think it's a waste of time. Look what Trump did, you know, he embraced all the techno, the tech vampires that, you know, we just talked about, day one. Day one, dude with Project Stargate. So I'm over that, but. And you're seeing, though, behind the scenes, these messages between whether it's Bannon, Peter
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C
Thiel, Shane, can I just tell you something that might. You probably already know about Operation stargate in the 70s, right?
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B
Of course, yeah.
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C
Okay, so that's like that all that has all to do with like, astral, you know, the astral plane. Remote viewing, astral plane. We're not getting into that. UFOs like that. But that's all started from. That's all started from Indrija Puharich's work. Work in the 1950s. And it's like they have just. They rebranded it. They didn't even bother to rename it.
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A
And they just picked up the same name.
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C
They picked up the same work, but they're using more, like, technologically advanced form of this AI, which I think is the same thing as.
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A
What is Tripoli say hardwired mysticism.
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C
It's hardwired mysticism. It's like channeling, but through the Internet. And I'm just like, man, like, what are we looking at here? And how have we not put these pieces together yet?
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A
And.
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B
And like. So we're talking about, like, telepathy. Telekinesis. I forget which word it is, but. But Elon is actively. Maybe he already did, trying to copyright that word. Telepathy.
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C
Patented.
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B
Both patented, right?
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A
Yeah.
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C
Functions of neuralink. Like, I think telepathy would be the function of the app that you click to read Shane's mind. And Intellokinesis would be to move this thing without my hands. Yeah, they're all in on this.
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B
You're so. You're so. That's so true. Is like we're watching the evolution of the Stargate project now. They're manufacturing it in their own way. And then to go to the files with the Epstein stuff, they're talking about how they could inflict trauma on people to unlock psychic abilities, whether it's on an individual using things like, there's things in here about, like skull to voice, voice to Skull technology, different MK Ultra experiments. There's robot mosquitoes in there as well, which are interesting. But, like, they're trying to build it now with this technology, and it's. That's Just not a conspiracy. Like, people write it off. I'm like, they've been doing that, so totally agree with that. But, like, the. Beyond that as well is all this. All this stuff out here in this world is so fake. Down to wars. I mean, we know that, but like, you're watching them talk about, whether it's with Bannon or Teal or the guy who runs Barclays, just keep the people confused, in chaos by making a war, or how can we start a war and then profit off of it? Or how can we collapse that nation, do a regime change and then profit off of that? And then also on top of just profiting off of it monetarily with, like, currency, maybe we can also traffic kids out of there, which is like, one of the investigations. Now in Turkey, they're saying that this came out with the files after the earthquake in Turkey. I think it was 98, 99. Thousands of kids went missing. And perhaps Epstein was involved to some degree. I don't know yet. That's what. That's an allegation. And now an investigation that is happening in Turkey. But that also might remind people of what happened in Haiti after an earthquake when a lot of kids went missing. And, oh, the Clintons were involved with
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A
that, by the way. I looked that up in the, in the files, and Epstein was helping fund relief efforts and. And, you know, was part of a trip down there. So I guess independently of the Clinton foundation at the time, although I'm sure not really independently, but the Clinton foundation is the number one culprit when it comes to that story. But if you go and you look to just do a quick search on, like, Haiti earthquake in the DOJ files, and you'll find that he was being reached out to by people to fund the relief efforts, take trips down there and, and, you know, this is the
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C
question I have here. Who's. Who's creating the earthquakes?
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A
Now we're getting real crazy. I mean, the same thing that it,
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B
you know, I, you know, maybe in the next 3 million files, we'll find out who's funding the earthquake machines. I do believe in that. We know. Russia. I mean, when I say we know, I'll say Russia says this. But then everything is propaganda, so it might not even be true. But they have talked about having the tsunami bomb where they can create something. They can create a tsunami. So, dude, they're making clouds, they're making earthquakes, they're making tsunamis. It's. This is. This is what I mean when I talk about the simulation. We're not In a computer generated simulation, they've taken the organic God's green earth and then over that laid, yes, this like fake reality where they can manipulate anything from war to like the person walking into your grocery store with a gun because they've made him hear voices, everything.
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A
The vindication is, is weird because it's almost exhausting. Like, somebody in the chat mentioned harp. Chuck, shout out Chuck from Guam mentioned harp. And it's like, yeah, dude. The idea that they were pumping microwaves into the ionosphere to create localized earthquakes and. And weather phenomenon has been around for an incredible amount of time, which is say we've spent an incredible amount of time being gaslit. You know what I mean?
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B
I called HARP once, you know that. You called harp because I, I was, I was investigating a story about these 200 birds that fell out of the sky back in New York.
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A
I remember when that was happening, dude.
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B
Yeah. And I was like, I was like. One of my theories was like, well, the ionosphere. Because the birds that fell out of the sky near me, I forget what town that was. Washingtonville or something. But they had, they were migratory birds, so they had cryptochromes. Cryptochromes, they use the ionosphere to migrate. And so the HARP affects the ionosphere. So I'm like, I'm just gonna hit up heart real quick and talk to the scientists. And I was like, trying not to sound too schizophrenic, but it's pretty hard when you're like, I'm writing a story about birds flying in the sky. And they're like, well, we do shoot a beam, like a laser into the ionosphere, but it's only very localized and it doesn't ripple out. I'm just like, this is B.S. like, there's no way. It's like water. Like, they're just.
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A
Yeah, you're going to contain that.
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B
Causing issues outside of just above harp. And I think it's just, it's very weird that the, these birds with cryptochromes who need the ionosphere happened to be falling out of the sky by the hundreds or the thousands. And people could say, well, it was fireworks here or this and that. But like the one that I know about didn't happen. It's weird. It's super weird.
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A
So I remember that, dude, they were like, it's fireworks and the, and the, and they're making the birds crash into, you know, all kinds of crap trees and everything like that. And there were trees that had rings of dead birds around them. Yeah, there was a, there was a period of time where conspiracies were popping off and there were like mass die offs.
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C
Those were fun conspiracies, right?
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A
Just.
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C
Those were fun.
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A
That and the, remember the big noises. The big noises were fun too. It'd be like this metallic scraping down that would fill, you know, every inch of the atmosphere and people wouldn't be able to figure out where it was coming. I think they were probably drilling at the time for, you know, these underground bases or something like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think that you hit a certain kind of stone or something with that drill and it's going to like vibrate and make this unbelievable sound.
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C
We know when portals open. I mean, that's an interesting. Yeah, it's like a. They describe it as a large heavy metal door.
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A
Scraping sounds a lot like that because I used to say it sounded like God pushing a desk across the ground. Like, you know, like a desk in school if you move the teacher's desk. So this vindication, you know, it's a really weird time. We got our hands full right, as, as people who are pursuing the truth and then, and then trying to like make content about it. It's like, how could you. Right now with 3.5 million documents out, they're going to be revelation after revelation after revelation. And I made a tweet a couple of days ago maybe, maybe the day after the first wave of Epstein files. They were dropped on a Friday. So that Saturday I said look out for three things, or I'm at least looking out for three things. The full economic collapse, the collapse of the dollar, Israel versus Iran, which I think I want to say here on, on paper, if it's America versus Iran, well, that's still Israel versus Iran. And, and the third thing was alien disclosure.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I have a tweet here, if you could pull this up on, on stage top. This happened last night. So it's really fantastic time to have you on, Shane, because it's like just one fun thing after another thing keeps happening. Based on the tremendous. Hold on a second. So based on the tremendous. Where the hell is the thing? I'm sorry. Interest shown. This is from Donald Trump. I will be directing the Secretary of War and other relevant departments and agencies to begin the process of identifying and releasing government files related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified aerial phenomena, UAPs and unidentified flying objects, UFOs and any and all other information connected to these highly complex but extremely interesting and important matters. God bless America. And as my favorite intelligence asset, and I do mean that with, with the most grace Alex Jones says over the weekend, Obama announced that aliens were real. And four days later, Trump says, brace for disclosure. And he goes on to say, I would say this is just another Epstein distraction, which is a, a fair take, but Trump has been promising to do this for years. Trump orders declassification of all evidence of UFOs, et cetera, et cetera. So, yeah, this is off the back of like a pretty flipping something that I really didn't read into too much. I did think it was interesting just given the climate, you know, the cultural climate, the social climate of UFO disclosure. When Obama says, I think they're real, I haven't seen any, that's pretty much the extent of what he said. And I go, that's an interesting little drop in the bucket. You know what I mean? You have a guy like Obama saying that, and then, yeah, a couple of days later Trump goes, oh, he shouldn't have said that. And then he says that he, he really, he said something that was classified, which is also fascinating. I don't think that that makes any sense.
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C
Like, very excited to be like, I'm glad he said it because now we could release this stuff.
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A
Yeah, yeah. And so to me, it's all a song and dance. I don't think Obama genuinely said anything he wasn't supposed to say or anything like that.
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C
Do you know this podcast, this guy has like millions of followers. Never heard of whatever podcast he was. It's incredible. And you know, maybe we, we're living in our own ecosystem, but I'm just
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A
like a couple of these guys. Yeah. American alchemists is one of them. Like who? How was I not aware of this?
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C
Where'd you come from? The expert? How did you get the President of the United States on this?
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A
I don't even know. I don't even know if that's what he was on. I have no idea what platform he was on. I, I don't really watch any podcast. I know that. Yeah. But you know, just a slow clap for me because I swear to God, we're gonna, we're gonna nuke Iran tomorrow or something. And then of course, you know, disclosure happening and all we need now is the collapse of the dollar. So look, these things are not difficult to have predicted in, in fact, they're incredibly, in my opinion, low hanging fruit. Very obvious. I didn't make a call that was profound. It resonated with a lot of people. I think that's because a lot of people could see that as a high likelihood. Now here we are. What's today's date. It is February 20th and this Donald Trump tweet was just from yesterday. What do you make specifically, Shane, of like where we're going next? Because I have a feeling, and I have said this for a while, that the Epstein files would be released when we were ready for the next part of the play, the theater, the script. I think that's what's happening. What do you think is coming?
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B
Yeah, I, I think they're ushering in the next shift in human perception and they're going to want to ship and it's not, not going to be towards Christ. You know, it's going to be whatever manufactured thing they've been cooking up like a Manhattan Project behind the scenes. You know, when he tweets out, you know, because the, the, the overwhelming interest, it's like, okay, so you market tested disclosure and now you think it's okay to release this? Like, if it was that important, if this is so like such an existential. I don't say crisis, but this is an existential moment for human nature. If you believe in aliens in that Hollywood sense, which I don't. You know, you think, you just say it now. You know, they were talking about. He's talking about something very serious. If you're talking about like just the normal corporate press looking at this through the lens of like, you know, any movie like Independence Day of aliens are here. Oh my goodness. Not in like a demon sense. At the very least.
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A
You're saying like people are being taken against their will, experimented on, tormented. I mean, because, because the abduction phenomenon is an accepted part of the narrative.
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C
I don't think they're going to go this far. I think, I think like the depth that we'll get. This is just my inclination of. It's like, so we have the Epstein files and we need a good distraction. And a good distraction is going to be a recovery from the economic collapse that we're about to experience. And like in the introduction of the technology is not something that's going to be beyond them. I know. Imagine saying this on Tim Cast like,
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A
like, I actually disagree though.
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C
Easy.
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A
I don't think that alien disclosure that seems to be the conventional take is that alien disclosure is to distract because last time the Epstein files kind of came up in a big way. John Podesta and Hillary Clinton rebranded UFOs into UAPs and then started that conversation. And you know, people looked at it as like an attempt to divert attention. And people are saying the same thing now. But that was never the lens that I looked at it through. I said that if this came to pass, it was because they were ready for the next. Next stage. And that next stage, I think, is like this great deception where the nature of reality shifts dramatically by way of narrative control. And so I don't think this is. I think this is just like step one is release these things. Step two is alien disclosure. Step three is, you know, maybe economic collapse, nuclear war, where there's an alien intervention, a recall, consolidation of a one world currency and, and, you know, a one world government under these things. Like, I think this is all. They're not meant to obfuscate one another. They're meant to be a series of traumatic events that ushers in a new era.
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B
I think they've reconsidered how to do Bluebeam, if Bluebeam's real, which I think is something they've definitely talked about.
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A
They.
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B
They chose not to do it in this giant hologram thing perhaps, but that they were like, okay, people aren't going to buy it like that. We need to slow drip this information into their consciousness over time and slowly get to this new point where we will create something. I don't know what it's gonna be. Maybe it's AI Maybe, you know, like Annie Jacobson once said that she had a Source in Area 51 that told her that took autistic kids and turned them into extraterrestrials to scare the Soviets. But even that story might be sketchy, but anything's possible. They're going to try to show us something and get most people on board in the same way that they got a lot of people on board to get vaccinated. And then if you're not on board with that narrative, we're going to go through the whole cycle again of like, well, you're crazy for doing this. You can't be trusted. Maybe there'll be lockdowns because of this, you know, because there's. People talk about climate lockdowns, but now we could enter an age where, you know, we don't. There's something in the sky. They're going to come here any moment and people are going to freak out about this new invisible enemy and that all it's about is control. So I don't think there's anything like. I mean, I think there's demons. I know there are. I don't think there's aliens in that sense of like little green men in flying saucers, but it seems like they're going to go with that narrative. However, people like Anna Paulina Luna, who I'm pretty Skeptical of. She has mentioned the book of Enoch when talking about these demons, aliens.
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A
So, yeah, it makes me actually really uncertain.
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B
Exactly, exactly. But I'm like, is there a war happening behind the scenes? That's like a hyper partisan war about disclosure on how they try to sell the idea of alien hands. Is it going to be a biblical bent to it? Does that matter to them? Will it be more Hollywood classic, little green men or tall grays, whatever? But it. Or will people even care? Like, I don't know if people are going to get on board. That's the other thing is, like, they might have overplayed their hand. I do think this is a distraction from the Epstein files. We have real world implications. Allegedly. A lot of these people, we're seeing people get arrested even though Prince Andrew was already let out. We're seeing people resign left and right because they're just mentioning the Epstein files. They weren't even accused of every. Of anything. So there's like, real interesting stuff that's going on there. But Trump has been telling us he is time to move on from the Epstein files. And here he is having this little, you know, alien disclosure thing. Just doesn't seem real. Doesn't seem like it's going to be effective. And I'm very curious. Like, you know, I just can't help but think of the Mexican government rolling out those alien corpses a few years ago.
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Like, what did you. I thought those were cake.
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C
I think that's why, that's why I don't think this, this iteration of disclosure is going to be of the spiritual nature. They're, they're still setting that up. And I think we accidentally stepped in some when we were, we were battling the people's narratives unknowingly. You know, we're actually battling government narratives. But I think what's going to happen here is like, if I was, if I was the powers that be, and I agree with what you're saying, I just don't think, like, the play is, is, is the timing is right for that play. But if I was, if I were the powers that be, I would introduce a technology that would help society and I'd make you be really friendly with this technology. And then maybe years later, then I'll tell you who gave it to us.
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That's like a childhood's end kind of right now.
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C
Even though you have, like, fake archaeologists saying that the aliens are not demons. I scroll through my Twitter feed and people that I don't know, I, I took a screenshot and there's like five of them in a row.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, yo, these are demons. So people are already. They're like onto it. There's a spiritual awakening happening in a sense. Awakening to what? I don't know. But people know for sure this ain't it.
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Yeah.
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C
So this has to be sold in a different way. And I think the way that you sell this is, you know, like this is what. This is what we can give you.
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I think you're probably a little while. You know, you're probably right.
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B
Because that technology.
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A
Well, yeah, they might. They might do something like that.
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C
Yeah. I'm talking about more broadly the like zero point gravity technology. Is that the.
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I would say that would change.
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C
That changes so much of our human aspect. A lot of scarcities. I mean right now.
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Eliminated.
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C
Yeah. Scarcities would be eliminated almost completely. When we're talking about just gas or the propulsion model of getting to a place or getting to another place even like how we work, how food is transported.
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Yeah. How labor works. Yeah.
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In these industries, just time in general, this. This changes everything. And it's in a crazy way that introduced to the public even in its. If it's in its softest sense, in like its most watered down sense. If we have something that's better than regular gasoline propulsion or even electric propulsion, like cars like that, we're in a different world. And how. How the economy responds to that, who knows? But it changes the dynamic of everything. And I think it does it in a better way. Of course there's going to be drawbacks. Like people will be getting like mega cancer and stuff like that.
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But. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they fixed a lot of that. But I think you're absolutely right. It's like, look at how long this operation has been. This psychological operation, the narrative control, the propaganda machine. Hollywood, you know, what's been going on since Operation Paperclip, like it's a long time. I don't think that they would just. I think you're right. They wouldn't just do it at the end with a big snap. Like we would still be in this slow role. I think I keep bringing up like Arthur C. Clarke's childhood's end. And if they do introduce these technologies that improve all these systems, let's say the. The whole cancer industry. Right. Like everybody's been saying that's a, you know, operation to just keep the money coming in. Let's say they fix that.
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C
Let's have there been like two dudes out there right now that have just said that they They've cured different types of cancers with a multitude of.
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Yeah, I mean, it keeps happening for
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years, but no, I mean, just in the last three weeks, probably. I mean, a lot of guy with a big, like, birthmark on his face, he's like prostate cancer, right? And there's another person that came out, right?
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So. So if you do that, and then let's say there is, like, this constant looming of war in the Middle east and it. And it finally does come to this head where it's a nuclear exchange and these things intervene in some way and then they do the, the childhood's end thing where they, they pull back. Like, just because they intervene, just because they make themselves known doesn't mean they're going to make everything about themselves known. And we do live in this, like, utopia for a number of years. Like, yeah, that is how you would want to acclimate us to these things. So that. And then, God forbid, Shane, during this time, anybody said this is demonic, right? If anybody said that, they'd be standing
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C
in the way of progress.
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They'd be standing away that, well, what's going on with the wars being settled? What's going on with the, the systems being, you know, having this technology integrated and all the wonderful things that, you know, have come out of it. If you, if you stand up as a Christian during that time and you go, no, these things are demonic, people are going to go, this, these things cured my grandmother of cancer. You know, these things stopped nuclear exchange in the Middle East. These things made it so that people didn't have to work in coal mines and, and, you know, labor looking for cobalt and shit like that, like, all of those things are gone. And this is demonic. Like, yeah, they'll. They'll probably kill you for that.
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B
So to, like, try to tie this to the. Back to the Epstein files, whether we're talking about your, like, the cyclical nature of disclosure and how long it takes for them to want to drip it out to us. And then, like, for. So, so with that route is like in the Epstein files, you see Peter. I think it's Peter Thiel and him Epstein or. No, no, it's. It's Bannon and Epstein talking about how the elite have a different concept of time, which is I. I take it as like, because they're transhumanists. Most these people are transhumanists. Teal, obviously, Epstein, Elon, all them. They want to manufacture immortality on earth by marrying their digital physical. Their digital body with their physical body, plus whatever other abominations they want. To do. And so by doing that and by thinking they can live forever or at least longer, they have a different idea of not just time, but then consequence. So they're seeing us with a different. We are in a different time, you know, zone technically than they are. And so they know they have to treat us a certain way because that's how they view us. And I think that's fairly accurate. Because if they think they're going to live for a few hundred years or they want to. Someone like Ray Kurzweil wants to upload his consciousness to a computer and, you know, Peter Thiel wants to do, you know. Yeah, he had that ambrosia company when, you know, his bags of blood from young men that he could inject because of parabiosis studies with mice and.
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Yeah, yes. Which, by the way, like, I'm a fan of Rogan, but he. I don't know how knowingly he was doing this, if he was complicit, but he was, like, popularizing and normalizing that. That line, that. That idea right there. I look at Rogan's show like it's the new Laurel Canyon. Like, all of these things, now that they've been refined, all these programs, they're being reintroduced to the public, but instead of through, you know, the music industry and such, they're using like, you know, and Peter Thiel's biggest platform in the world.
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B
You know, Peter Thiel's on that show with no. No pushback at all. You don't have to push back on your guests. But I think. I think Peter Thiel is someone who is worthy of pushback. And. And then. So then he's. So Peter Thiel's obviously a transhumanist. And then to go back to what you were saying about, like, if you stand up from a Christian point of view and say, this is bad, you know, that is actually what's happening right now with AI and Peter Thiel, where he says, you are. These are his words. You are a legionnaire of the Antichrist. If you so much as criticize artificial intelligence intelligence. He had this whole speech, like, three, four day speech about that.
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That was his take. I was fascinated about that because he was. He was talking about the Antichrist. And I didn't know. I don't know if it was like AWOL at the time or something like that. You had to buy a subscription to something to watch that thing. And also it's. It was a four day.
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B
He thinks Greta Thunberg is more like the Antichrist than he himself. I guess. You know, because he thinks that she's like this false. Like, I'm not defending her, I don't like her. But to say that she's Antichrist, like, look, she's, she can do whatever she wants. I don't see her actually building out the surveillance state and trying to manufacture heaven and actually doing anti Christian things while claiming to be Christian like Peter Thiel and his cohort. So I think that it's super weird.
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Did he have like a, an idea like, you know, what the. Because I was fascinated by. But like I said, never watch it. What was. Who, who's the Antichrist? What are the, his thoughts on the nature of the Antichrist. So I didn't, I would have imagined he was going to say it was going to come by way of artificial intelligence that I'm working on.
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B
Yeah, he, he actually thinks that people who criticize the progress of AI are part of the Antichrist or legionnaires of the Antichrist. So I didn't watch the, the, that speech, the four day, four part speech. You had to like buy tickets and go there. But yeah, you know, I've seen him talk about it quite a bit. And what I, my interpretation is he, he, first of all, he doesn't really like America and he believes in monopolizing your company. So you want to control everything because he's a, he's an authoritarian, you know, and he buys into, in my opinion, I think he buys into accelerationism to get you to a point so he can usher in that authoritarian government, which is scary since he's one of Trump's biggest backers since 2015. And they all look up to someone like Curtis Yarvin, who I'm not a fan of, of. And Curtis Yarvin is very much. And you know, he wrote under Menches mold bug and he wrote about how we can usher in, you know, this authoritarian world by collapsing the country, the, the society. And so it's a thing that's something a lot of like accelerationists look up to. You see that yak, like movement and stuff. And I'm not into accelerationism at all. Whether it's people, you know, like the Red Heifer situation is accelerationism. There's a seven Mountain mandate for other Christians. That's super false theology. That's another form of accelerationism. There's right and left accelerationism. And it seems that like Teal and those people, Vance Vivek, that all those tech vampires are into that. And so like wanting to, wanting to monopolize your company is something that all those tech guys really want, which is, you know, I think perverse and against freedom. And it's just crazy that now we have a president who's completely embraced that. You know, he's, he's completely abandoned farmers, the middle class and just overall Americans to usher in these people through Project Stargate and other forms of these like giant billion dollar shrines to AI and they're like, well, this is the future. If you don't like it, you're out. And that's, you know, and then Teal would say, if you don't like it, you're actually a legionnaire of the Antichrist.
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Christ. I, you know, I don't know. This is kind of part of what we were talking about. Top and I, maybe two weeks ago we talked to Ed Mabry after the first wave of Epstein files was released and he wanted to give his thoughts on it, in particular how to prepare people spiritually because it's, there is a, a demoralization angle, right? It's, this is a heavy thing, spiritually speaking, and, and it's difficult to navigate. You know, I, I find it kind of easy because I think there's, I don't want to say a numbing, but an acclimation that takes place if you're familiar with these things for all this time. And to be perfectly honest, what we're finding out right now is that the world has been in this state, you know, since the Old Testament. If you're, if you're reading the Bible and you're learning about people worshiping false gods and false idols, you know, being warned not to sacrifice, not to give their, their children unto the fires of Molech cannibalism, you know, taking people slavery, you know, into slavery, it's, it's all been happened, it's all, it's just the world. So, so what we're finding out right now is that the world has been as it's always been. And that's not really a shock to me, but one of the things that he said was this idea of like normalization, which is something that I just hadn't really seriously considered. And afterwards, you know, through that lens, we started to notice like, oh, this, this could be a real thing. And, and Top, I think you said it, this idea that people are going to see this and then like, maybe they're going to emulate it. And I think that when you start to tell people, hey, much can be achieved through the ritual sacrifice and torture of in particular children. And science has very seriously considered what can be gained by way of disassociative states, you know, induced by this trauma. So it's not just this ritual ceremony, spiritual angle. It's also like the nuts and bolts. Scientific community has learned that there are things that are beyond the reach of modern day science. God forbid. It is framed as though the progress of science has been stifled over the last however many decades. Because the last frontier is this. This is the thing, the threshold that stands in the way is, look what can be achieved with the proper sacrifice and the proper amount of trauma. And I forgot what it was that I initially saw. Oh, we played a video the other day on Neft to America. It was Aubrey Marcus of On it, the, the supplement company talking with a guy, I don't know what his name is, who basically is just saying like, he's telling Aubrey that the, the sacrifice of children and all these things, the trauma, you know, even the, the rape and murder of individuals is permitted.
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C
He's like, we have to acknowledge like the good parts of it.
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Yeah, the good parts of it. And Aubrey's pushing back against it and. But he's saying that your, your rejection of this is only due to your moral framework. And everybody else's has their own moral framework. Some are, some people are different.
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C
And very much the argument that we ran into with Albarino. It's these people with morals or, you know, strict spiritual withholdings.
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He says that they stand in the way.
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C
They stand in the way. And I don't disagree. I don't disagree. We do stand in the way.
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Yeah.
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Bravely.
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Because this is something that is. It's. It's not. Okay. There's not, there's not, you know, wisdom and intellect by absolutely any cost is not a moral or dogma that I live by. And so, so in this video with OVI Marcus, the guy basically says, like, no one on this earth will stand between me and, and research.
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B
That's.
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A
That's very fascinating.
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B
Chinese scientist who went to jail for doing some experiments with babies. When he got out, I think this is somewhat recently, last year maybe he said, you know, ethics is really standing in the way of the experiments I want to do.
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A
Standing in the way is fascinating right now.
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B
That. And that is human nature. And you're right. Since the fall of man, this is what's been going on.
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A
So this is. I want to play this. This is new to me. I haven't seen it. This is, it's a two minute clip, so we're probably gonna end up pausing it and discussing a little bit. But I do want to get through it because it Seems like an important one to get the full context for it. And we're not gonna watch, you know, the full episode, but at least a full clip. So the quotes here. This is Chent Uygur, who, by the way, very, very comically said, I'm starting. This is recently, like. Like a week ago. He goes, I'm starting to doubt the official narrative on 9 11. And to which I quote, tweeted him and said, shut the up.
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C
Because it's just so.
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A
It's just so stupid to be in 2026 and have this dude, you know, with all his influence and. And everything, say such a profound. You know, I'm starting to think that maybe 911 wasn't quite what it seemed like. Oh, my God. So Chad Uygur having a discussion with Sam Harris. And the quotes that we see here is, I imagine these are coming from Sam Harris, quote, why can't we eat babies? Another quote, what's wrong with eating babies? And a third quote, if we have extra babies around, which actually is very funny, and no one wants them, why can't we eat them? So I want to let this rip, and we'll pause it and we'll, you
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B
know, we'll pick it apart about your beliefs. Right. So, you know, why can't we eat babies? What's wrong with eating babies?
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A
If we've got extra babies around that
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B
nobody wants, why can't we. We eat them?
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A
Right.
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B
I get. I'm really worried about that line of thinking. I think that's wrong, and I think
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it's a little dangerous.
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B
It sounds almost a little. That's.
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A
You're not imagining.
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B
You're just not imagining those circumstances. No, no, no, no.
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A
So let me clarify, because this is important, right?
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B
So it has such terrible consequences, both in terms of what we are doing to our captives and what we are
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A
doing to our own morality.
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B
And the message. Message we're sending to the rest of the world about whether we're good guys or bad guys, that I wouldn't do it.
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I might not do it even if
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B
I thought that it was absolutely going to work, when I don't think it is. It's very unlikely once you start. Once you. No, it's not. That's why you've got to avoid those beginnings, to avoid those endings. They never started little and you remained little. It always starts a little ignoring, and then they're drawing and quartering. You are ignoring half of my argument, which is I'm arguing in most cases, and it's not psychopathology. That seems like an incredible this is very.
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A
This is eerily familiar. This is just like the discussion Aubrey Marcus had with that guy. This is, you know, this is the danger of intellectualism that's void of spirituality, which is the danger of.
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C
Of like this idea of. Of gnostic knowledge.
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A
Yes.
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C
And the search of it, like, which is. I think it's a path that all of us might have been on at some point or another. Like, you pick up some occult books
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B
and you want to.
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C
Yeah. And you go, oh, damn, looks like that works. And then there is that temptation. Like, if that does work. What if I just. Well, this is thing.
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A
This is Kronos burdened with the knowledge that one of his children will. Will kill him or overthrow him. So he starts just eating all of his children to try to avoid it. And. And what that. What the. The gift of knowledge does to him is it turns him into a fucking monster here.
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B
Isn't this the same guy who said he didn't care if Hunter Biden killed a kid or something and he'd still vote for Biden? Like, he. He is a godless, obviously godless man. And, you know, I've seen him talk about, like, he doesn't think free will exists. He thinks we're just totally deterministic and that there's no. Obviously he doesn't believe in a God. So he, like, extends this odd man made redemption to the worst of the people in society, like even pedophiles, by saying they were determined to do so, so how can we punish them? And a lot of people who believe in determinism, they believe that, like, maybe we shouldn't, like, remove them from society. We have some other way of dealing with these people because they couldn't help it. This is just how they were, you know, predetermined to act certain ways. You know, I don't believe in the death penalty, but I do believe we should be removing people from society in some way in some prison or something who harm kids.
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A
Yeah, we had that.
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B
That's like a very dangerous path of thinking with him. Like, I've never really heard anything from him. It's been a while since I've heard anything from Sam Harris that registers as anything moral.
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A
Well, there was a time when he was like this, you know, intellectual kind of authority.
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C
Intellectual dark web.
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B
Him.
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C
Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson, Fallen. Rogan's still up there, I guess, but he's not. I wouldn't consider him intellectual. He was just always the facilitator of these guys.
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A
No, but he was, like, supposed to be part of that whole thing. What's the other guy?
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C
He's just paying the dinner bill.
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B
Yeah, yeah, those guys.
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C
But in your. When, when you, when you interviewed, when you were with. What's his name, Alex Rosen, and you were doing that, I remember in one of the pieces that you wrote, you were talking about what you saw in that guy's eyes when, when he got caught and he was trapped. Could you describe that? I feel like we've covered it before, but that's just. It's a fascinating thing.
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B
Yeah, there's like a. So we caught like a bunch of different guys and there's a moment with each of them where once they realize they've been actually trapped and there's no way of talking themselves out of. They all try to like charm out. Charm their way out of the situation as we're confronting them with this material that they've been sending to what they believe to be little girls, 11, 12 year old girls, where like the eyes, like, like, it's almost like whatever facade was in their eyes disappears. And now you're looking into like this just, just void and you're looking at the demon. That's when I started to use the word demon. You know, I was like. That was one of those words. I was just like, like evil or good. Didn't really resonate with me until I became a Christian and realized, like, it is just that simple. It's good and evil.
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A
Right.
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B
And then I'm like looking at this guy in this field and I'm like, that's a demon. You know, he tried to say. He tried to just squirm his way out of all the situation. I was hurt as a child. I did this out of that. Then he, he crapped himself right in front of us. And it was in this field, these people, there's children playing in the yard across the street. And you know, Alex is so good at getting these guys to talk. And this is my. I think that was my first one. You know, we kind of like had to track this guy down and follow him. It was crazy. But yeah, there's a moment for all these guys that I saw that weekend where the, like the scales fall away and then you're just staring at someone who realizes they've been trapped. And it's like, like, it reminded me of like finding an animal that had been caught in a trap. And it's, it's beyond the point of them struggling or even trying to like, eat their leg off. It's the point of like, I've given up. There's nothing I can do now. I. I guess I'll just lay here and, and wait and see what happens. And it was. Man, that was a crazy thing to see because it was all types of people too. You know, it was like some of them were the cliche, just disgusting warts with like legs, these, you know, obese man. You'd be like, that's a. Just your typical pedophile demon. And then there were guys who were like, they had like we the people tattoos and American flags in the yard and MAGA bumper stickers and fire of arms instructors, firefighters. And they also are into this. And it was just made me also at that time think of like, you know, people have this idea in their head of like, only like, like the right will be like, it's only creepy people on the left. Who are these types of people? And then the left will be like, well, it's, you know, these people on the right, it's. It's everybody. This thing, this evil thing is. It's not partisan. It exists for some reason in all people, not all people, but in various people across all platforms, across all types of institutions, whether it's these guys who work at 711 or politicians, presidents, and, you know, you name it, but yeah, I'll do it. I'll never forget the way those, their eyes just change. Like a black cloud came over them and we got to see the actual them when they realized, like, there was no getting out of it.
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C
That's. That's a fascinating disposition, right?
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A
I. I wonder what that. You know, we're listening to Kent and, and Sam Harris talk, and it's like, I can't help but wonder if that's what the internal dialogue of an individual sounds like, you know, before they're willing to engage in something that like a domino effect leads to horrifying shit like what you're describing.
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C
I think I've experienced people like this, and I, I don't want to. I guess I'll cut Sam Harris some slack. Maybe he hasn't eaten babies or partaken in this sort of thing, but there is this mentality, and specifically in the Libertarian Party, of people to dig into these things and continue to put aside morals and boundaries in order to get to what's underneath. It's like the apple, right? They want, they want to bite that apple so badly that they're like. And I understand the logic behind it, because if you do want to get to these inner workings of things, you do have to discard your morality and you have to discard polite society.
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A
It's like Crowley.
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C
Right, Exactly. It's exactly like that. It's every iterance of black magic that we've ever seen from the top of the government to your lowest width. They consent to putting these things aside. And I could again, I can understand the logical formation of doing that if your goal is to get to these things. But we're, we're not called to do those things. It's fairly clear where that gets you. And, and these people have not learned and they will never learn. They're not going to do this.
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A
That's my thing is like if we get to there there is right now the bar to entry is besides like some sort of lowly pedophile. Right. There's certainly a tier to pedophilia. You could be an island owner and a facilitator of this sort of a thing or you could just be some schmuck who works at Aldi's and gets caught, you know, thinking that you're talking to a 12 year old and it's actually like a 6 foot 5, bald, red bearded linebacker. But I think that what happens is for those people who are susceptible to that sort of idea that are willing to do that sort of thing, but they don't have the connections and the money and the intellect to cross that threshold into the upper echelons of, you know, pedophilic behavior when they are made aware that by the way, that thing, it's like the key to unlocking the psychic phenomenon. It's the key to conducting ritual that allows you to sort of manipulate the fabric of this reality and bend it to your will. It's the key to communing with entities that can bring you multitudes of success, be it financial, you know, relationship or influence, you name it. Right? Because I mean, that's what we're talking about. At the end of the day we're looking at like, let's say these Hollywood elites or these music industry people and, and what they're dealing with is entities they're sacrificing to entities which by the way, on, on the side of norm normalizing these things. Azalea Banks, the dude Skrilla or whatever who did the 67 meme, they just came out openly and they're like, yeah, yeah, we do say, you know, we do Santeria, we sacrifice animals, goats and chickens. Azalea Banks just made a video on, on her Tick tock I think where she's like, it's here's my chicken sacrificing closet, you know, this dude with like the piss closet and Everything. This is a closet that's coated in chicken blood. And she's like, I gotta clean it. I haven't cleaned it in three years.
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C
Are you, Are you like, presuming that the Epstein files are the road? Because yeah, a lot of these people are.
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A
I'm saying there's baby out there that are gonna go, huh, I've been doing this.
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C
Yeah, it's like giving somebody a dollar and they're going to the store and buying a scratch off with it. Rather than be like, no, you could actually use this dollar to do something else.
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A
Yes.
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C
They've been given a road map of. That's creepy.
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A
I think that's what's going to happen. I think. And then you have these guys. Sam Harris, he's not afraid to say it. The guy who sits across from Aubrey Marcus, who's not afraid to cross that threshold, Azalea Banks is not afraid to say, have. And sacrificing chickens. The skrilla guy who goes hyper viral for the 6, 7 thing is telling people, I do this. I pray to these gods. I put spells and curses on people. I do it to chickens, I do it to goats. What's the next logical step? Well, this dude is, is rich. He's rich and he's well and he's. And he's powerful and he's. And he's got all this stuff. What is a goat? Is it the size of that gets you the big payout? Is it goat more valuable than a chicken? What's more valuable than a goat?
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B
And that goes back to the Old Testament, right? Isn't it, what's it, Leviticus, where they're send the goat into the wilderness for Azazel or however you say the name.
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C
Yeah.
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B
So this is ancient, ancient stuff. And I get what you're saying. Like there's. People are gonna be like, oh, wow, I could, I could take it up a notch and do this. But I, I am on the flip side, seeing how this is the. There's no, there's less of a taboo now for people to talk about, like this pedophile network. And now parents are like, you know, there's someone like Michael Tracy's like, there's a moral panic happening. And then people are worried about pedophiles. Everyone. Like, dude, there are pedophiles everywhere. Like, so go back to the Alex Rosen story. We were just in two counties in Ohio for like three days and there were multiple men. We could have just kept going and going and going. We could have not slept and just kept catching people. He had stacks of paper of men wanting to do these things to children. That was just in two counties in Ohio. This dude travels the country. You know, it's not just this country. It's everywhere. So they. There is. There is a reason to have a moral panic. And I'm glad we're having a moral panic now because I think the satanic panic was real. I think the satanic panic was actually a psyop to discredit people from saying there was actually a satanic problem. Because there was.
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A
I think you're right about that.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
We have Michael Aquino, who's in the military. You know, you guys seen this guy with the freaking eyebrows? You know, accused of pedophilia at the Presidio. Military child care, who's openly Temple of Set founder and also with Anton Lev before that. We know Satanists run this. We're in Satan's territory. And it's unfortunate, but this disclosure in terms of emails and the Epstein files is waking. I don't say everyone up, but it's waking a lot of people up to being like, there is, you know, a problem here and there are after our kids. And why do we have hundreds of thousands of kids that go missing over the southern border? You know, why are they trying to clone people? Why are they actually talking about purchasing babies? What are they doing? Is it just for trafficking? Are they also experimenting? It's probably both. And I think this is a conversation we should be having. And it's very telling that our president is saying it's time to move on. And I think he's only doing that because it's all his buddies who are partaking in this, and maybe even him. You know, I'm not. No one's spared. That's why I want. I'm really like, I'm gonna run for president. I'm telling you right here. And I'm gonna. My only platform is I'm gonna have Nuremberg trials at the Iowa State fair for America's 250th birthday. And everyone involved in warp speed end in this pedophilia ring and the Epstein files. Look, you might be innocent, but we gotta question you. You know, next to the. The dunk booth. And if. If it's a. It's a big no for you. Look, I don't want to kill you. I'm not part of. I don't believe in the. The state killing people. But we have built an amazing prison. Maybe we can use alligator Alcatraz perhaps, and actual Alcatraz. And we'll send you There forever. And that's just how it is, is we have to clean up the streets because you people are sick.
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A
Yeah, dude, I. I mean, that's a great plan, a good one for after the fallout that takes place, you know. And by the way, this. This whole alien disclosure, I just want to say, as we're kind of bringing it to an end here, I do think there's a huge. A huge, maybe an overwhelming portion of the alien phenomenon that is. Actually, I had a discussion a little bit with somebody on Twitter today, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I agree with this, because they were saying this and something we've been talking about this, these MK Ultra programs. You know, if. If the MK ULTRA program is responsible for kidnapping, I think it was like 10,000 orphans. And we have all this Operation Midnight Climax. You're abducting John's from. From brothels and you're dosing them. And there's always been taking people against their will. I think that a lot of what people are experiencing is a front. I'm not saying that there's not, you know, a real phenomenon taking place, and maybe there are real entities and things like that, but this thing is really messy. And I think a lot of is. It is a front for taking these people against their will, subjecting them to MK Ultra, like, experimentation. I think that through the trauma and the disassociation, people are. Are forgetting a lot of what they're actually experiencing. And that's why a lot of. A lot of these people will say, I remember through regressive hypnosis or otherwise, which is, you know, a kind of a shaky procedure to undergo. But still, they'll recall military personnel, they'll recall human beings involved in these things. I think that these deep underground military bases, maybe they are leveraging technology. They're taking people and they're bringing them subterranean. I think that's why much of the UAP phenomenon seems to be coming from the oceans instead of what people previously thought, you know, outer space. And they're being brought to these facilities and they're being experimented on and they're being traumatized. And I think that the. The scale of these operations that people say shut down in the 70s, MK Ultra are the complete opposite. They're so much bigger. You know, even candaceau, when she was talking about Charlie Kirk and. And she was saying something, I forgot what it was. That made me feel like, whoa, wait, did you go through these. Did Charlie Kirk go through these programs as a kid? Did you go through these programs as a kid? And I'm not even saying that as a condemnation to. To. To Candace Owens. I'm saying, like, people are victimized by this thing to a scale that I think if we were ever actually exposed to, if we. If we knew the numbers, we'd be. We'd be floored.
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C
I think Candace, she's. She's one that we haven't even talked about on the show here, like with Shane. But it's like another one I'm very skeptical of because, like, anybody that high up that I. And I. Even if I knew personally, I'd still be like, what exactly.
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A
We knew a couple people personally, and then we watched some crazy things happen to them.
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C
Yeah. But it's like, man, she's been saying a lot of things where under, you know, some further scrutinization. I'm like, that turns out to be true.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It's interesting, the reaction of her peers or the people that were her peers, how they react to some of the things that she's saying that we might be, you know, we might agree with, or at least we'd be ready. Ready to hear it. Either they're not ready to hear it, or they know and she's breaking a rule. And I. I just don't know where. Where to put her, man.
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A
She.
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B
Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, she's blown up. I mean, she's been big, but, like, the. The Charlie stuff has just been massive. And I totally support her questioning, but we should be skeptical of everyone. And something. Something Kanye said once to me that I always think about when it comes to this conversation was that he said, if they can see you, they've been like, how do you say it? If they can see you, you're being told what to say. And I think by that he meant, like, you know, if you're put in, like, a huge position. He was really thinking of Ben Shapiro at the time. That's what he was referencing. But, like, you know, it's like these people are installed. I'm not saying that's Candace. I'm just saying it's a possibility if people have been that big. Like, I think you. Raven mentioned, like, Laurel Canyon. If you know about Laurel Canyon. You know, how the CIA can hijack countercultures or podcasts today, clearly, you know, because that's how they try to steer narratives. They could try to psychically steer you personally and also on a massive scale, you know, so it's like, what is. Is she fulfilling something for them? Is she rogue? I don't know. But, like, I would defend her the same way I defended Alex Jones because I think they're trying to Sandy Hook Candace now. Right. With Charlie, and then that might lead somewhere else. And maybe that's how they destroy her. Just take out her voice and then make people go crazy. Because she's got such a huge fan base now that if they censored her, I think people will wig out. And she's got a huge. Like, there's a lot of really angry moms and I'm with them. You know, we should be angry that, like, was. Will be a little different than what it was when they got rid of Alex. Was. Alex was big, but it was like you were easily written off when he was censored up everyone for defending.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
Now it's. We're in a little different time than. It's like, this is Sandy Hook on steroids. So. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird because she's saying a lot of things. I'm like, how is she just getting away with this? My theory was because Tim asked me the same thing on IRL once, and I was like, this is just like, this was me spitballing. But I still think about it from time to time. It's, what if the social media detect platform guys are propping her up to make her big, even though I think she has a huge audience organically. What if they want to make her big so that they can pull the plug at some point and then really drive people crazy, you know? And Alex Jones was the test run for that years ago and didn't, you know, work so much with Alex? He's back now, and Alex is like, you know, and I've been with Alex. I like Alex, but he's on a. He's like a different person, you know, Like, I don't agree with what he's saying. Now he's going after Candace. I'm like, how are you? We're talking about transhumanists and globalists. That's your thing. And they're in charge now. But, you know. Yeah.
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C
Something strange too, about. About Candace. And it's like, I enjoy. I really do enjoy what she's doing. She. For no reason at all, she's like, Charlie Crook might be a time traveler. Charlie Kirk might have been astral projecting. He might have been in the MK Ultra program. Crazy. I love it. I'm like, I'm following. I'm like, all right.
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A
She's.
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C
She's looking at something. She's looking at some cool stuff. And then she goes, we're gonna take a quick break. From Charlie Kirk. And we're gonna talk about Nimrod and we're gonna start referencing Rob Skiba's work. And I was like, holy. Okay, I'm listening. We're talking about the Nephilim. Why? I know why, why, why right now and at the same time, which is crazy. So follow me, guys. This is a convoluted timeline.
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A
Let's go.
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C
The whole blurry creatures thing happened.
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A
They.
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C
Follow me. Timothy Albarino attacks us. Us for no reason. We get a debate. Oh, Timothy. He's debating us. He has a narrative to protect. Okay. He embarrasses himself. He loses or whatever. However you want to view that. Right before he did, like started with us and the whole blurry guy started looking at this to protect this narrative. He actually records an interview with Michael Knowles.
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A
Right.
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C
The Nephilim. I mean, obviously this is what he talks about, but it's. Oh, it's.
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A
It's takes a while to air too, right?
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C
Yeah. Well, that. That's the part that really makes me like, be confused. I would say let's going on.
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A
Let's incorporate the idea that he knew when it would be released.
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C
He knew when it would be released and asked like, I guess he's doing some PR with us. He wanted to bury us so that way he could look good and then spin this. And it didn't. It just didn't work out for him that way.
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A
Right. Because they're doing Age of Disclosure. He's buddies with Elizondo. It seems like the time is coming. He knows his things can release its PR time.
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C
He records this interview January 7th. It's released last week. It's released on the same day, the same week that Candace is now doing her nimrod deep dot deep dive.
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A
And a week before. So it really decides to do this.
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C
I don't know what the going on anymore. We have a Daily Wire employee that is doing this and bringing this back into the zeitgeist. Right around the same time. Yeah, right before, you know, disclosure, aliens, all the stuff that we're talking about.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And Candace is also touching on it like just a couple of days before. But like it's pre recorded and they. I'm just like, I'm watching and I'm very confused about why this is happening now.
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A
Well, hold on. I want to say, because before we pass the ball to Shane, I just want to say the way that I think information agents work these days is that it's no longer done. There are a few of them who are like paid and bought, but mostly it's the idea itself. If you can lay out a compelling enough idea and then allow people to come to it naturally over time, the loud, influential ones are going to rise to the top. And I think what you do from there is you control the gate. The gate's the algorithm. You pump it or you suppress it, and you suppress it until it's ready to be pumped. And so with Candace, it's like she, she might not have any. Not a nefarious bone in her body. Not.
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C
The timing is like, why, why did you do.
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A
And not to say I really good at controlling the flow of information. They control really well when information that's compelling, that's packaged the right way, you got a content creator that made a great clip when it reaches you.
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C
So the Daily Wire stuff, which is. Is premeditated, it's pre recorded and released on a certain date, makes sense. As a matter of fact, it was released late. It was supposed to be released like a week or two before that. Something happened, I don't know. And it's just like, what the dude keepers?
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B
I mean, they're like some of the worst people I've met. I mean, not Knowles. I, I liked Knowles when I met him, and it was pleasant enough, but like, Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro are two of the worst people I've ever met. And, you know, they blacklisted me immediately from the Kanye story, but I've been to their studios because I've just, you know, trespassed behind Tim when he was invited. And they're just horrible people and gatekeepers and they don't, like, they have very thin skin and they're Hollywood rejects, but they want to control the narrative. And they definitely didn't like that. You know, I had a different take on Kanye when Shapiro was saying Kanye should be like, institutionalized. So when it comes to this stuff, like, why is this all happening now? One of the things I've been thinking about is like, and we talked about it a little bit earlier, the dissident Christian is like the last real obstacle in the people who want to take over and make a dominant narrative with the, with their simulation over reality. And so we see like, you know, Teal and Bongino, Vance and Vivek heavily fund Rumble, which became like the dissident version for YouTube. And I like Rumble, you know, I use it, but I'm always like, why? You know, and my, my thing was like, I think they, they know they have to find a way to ingratiate themselves into the dissident and Christian community. That really said no to the major things like lockdowns, like, a lot of things that they. They build in Silicon Valley. And if they can get them on their side, which is why someone like the cloud guy or. Or Teal, saying they're both Christian, which I think is fake, although I don't know their hearts, but I'm pretty sure they're fake. It's their way of ingratiating themselves into this community. So then we can be like, oh, yeah, give them carte blanche. They can just do whatever because they're on our side. Which you got to be really careful with that, because I think they have bad theology and they have bad intentions and they're anti Christian. So I've been seeing that happen so much, you know, after Covid happened, after lockdowns happened, when everyone kind of banded together and said, we got to defeat this narrative. Now it's like, now they're trying to do something new. And you saw a lot of this start to fall apart when, like, October 7th happened. And now all of a sudden, the people who are anti establishment were super pro establishment. And like, even, like, a good example of that would be someone like Will Chamberlain, who we've interacted with on. Oh, yeah, Pre Bohemian Grove, who, you know, he. He pretends to be like. He's like. I don't say he pretends to be dissident, but he's like, yeah, I'm. I'm against this and that. I'm. I'm right wing, but at the end of the day, you're just an establishment shill and you're a gatekeeper. And, you know, we're not allowed to say certain things, but it's okay for him to joke about killing someone. Like, literally the day after we were joking about him being gay, whatever it is, he was mad at us for saying, you know. And then I invited him to Bohemian Grove. He didn't take me up on that offer. So I think a lot of people, our gatekeepers, so, like, the right. And the independent media space is just as infected with gatekeepers and liars as the corporate media space that I used to write for. I thought I'd always be a part of that. I was like, I'm gonna write for the Atlantic and da, da, da, da. And clearly, you know, didn't last very long because it's. They're terrible people. Not all of them, but I'd say 99. And then I get into independent media space and there's freedom, and I get to do a lot of great stories. But I start to notice, like, you know, I remember being told by one publication in, like, 2024, we'd love to have you write for us, but, like, you just can't criticize Trump. And at that point I was like, I'm probably going to vote for him, but I really don't like Vance, and I have a lot of things to say about AI. And you're like, yeah, we just. We can't allow that. I'm like, man, so you're just as bad. You're just as propagandists, as much of propaganda as the left. So it's a human nature issue. And now they're forming this narrative of, like, the things we've been talking about, where they're like, mainstreaming conspiracy, which has been happening for the past two years. I think where, you know, Butler happening was a massive, like, we're gonna, like, take away the taboo from everything you thought about jfk. We're gonna make you watch it now. And then we're gonna burn the guy's body. You know, we won't even MK Ultra, we won't even assassinate him then. And then MK Ultra, the next guy who kills him, but we're just going to make you question everything. And then Charlie Kirk. And it's like they've been slowly making everyone a conspiracy theorist. And I think that is on purpose, which is why I think we should be skeptical of why they're mainstreaming all these things we've been talking about. Is it real? You know, Nick Hiten, he's someone I follow on Twitter. I don't know anything about him, but he says things that I think are interesting. And just the other day he tweeted that, like, his favorite theory is that AI is now in charge of the Epstein files release and that it's actually putting out all these things and basically blackmailing the elite because it's going to take over the government. I'm like, you know what? Honestly, at this point, anything's possible that the thing that the tech elite created, who want to be in charge, are now actually becoming the thing, the slave to the thing that they created, which is what Jacques L. Ewell wrote all about in the Technological Society, which is a great book. It inspired one of my favorite writers. You might know him as the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski. His manifesto was heavily influenced by Jacques Eliol, who was a Christian anarchist from France. I know he's French, but give him a break.
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A
He was correct about a lot of things.
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B
Yeah, he was correct about a lot of things. So, yeah, I think. I think that's what's going on. You know, they try to seed ideas into these places that have major platforms like the Daily Wire or Fox or NBC, whatever, or. Or your church. You know, like, there's a whole campaign now with Israel and different churches to be like, like, you know, pro Israel stuff. And, like, they're changing the whole concept of, you know, what Israel like, means and the state of Israel. And that's dangerous theology, too. So it's. It's a constant war on. On reality and your perception of it. And I think the last people on the front lines of actual reality, objective reality, are those who actually believe in Christ, who have faith in God and believe in a natural, organic world that. That can exist outside of the simulation that they've been putting on top of us. And so they have to get on your side, which is why people like Teal the cloud guy, you know, Peter Palmer, Lucky, they do things to make you want to like them, whether it's putting on a mullet or, you know, going on Rogan or saying something based saying some dude saying bass, like, such a dumb word or.
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A
Or.
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B
Or saying, sorry to talk about the nephilim in ways that are like, all right, I dig that. I do believe in this, but why are you saying this now? And then I just can't help but think about how Trump phrases his disclosure tweet about. Well, because the overwhelming response like, so is this just a joke? Or like, how what is true here? How much of this is accurate? Why are we going to believe you? Like, I don't believe anything you tell me, Bo. But if you're talking about aliens, I'm all of a sudden right on board with everything you say, because it's what I want to hear. Because they know that they can control you through fear and confirmation bias.
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A
It reminds me of when they voted Governor Phil Murphy, I think his name is in New Jersey, and it was because he was just an advocate for legalized marijuana.
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C
Oh, it's just the one thing.
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A
It's just like that one thing that, like, you know, hello, fellow pot smokers. Like, it's like that kind of.
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C
But hit the blurry boys with that meme, too.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. That was great.
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C
I want to bring it in for landing, but I just want to, like, put a little, like, pin drop on that end there. It's something that we talked about before, and it's how we opened up this podcast. You talking to Gary the numbers guy, like, I don't know what I'm gonna say to this guy. I don't really know anything about him coming in flying blind. I got my notepad. I'll do a little preparation, but I don't know. And it's the. The guidance of the Holy Spirit, which is something.
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A
Yeah, dude.
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C
The church that we go to is like, like very big on the Holy Spirit. The emphasis of the Holy Spirit, because that's what Jesus left us here. And that's really. In today's day and age, that's all that we have. Like, I can't trust anything that I see or hear. It's insane. And actually it's the. It's the impotence that. That's the correct word that made Albarino block me finally after the exchanges because we were getting real disrespectful with him. But like, I said something like to someone commenting, I said, this is a rational man. He's not going to understand these things that we're talking about. We're talking about like the spiritual nature of things. And he goes, how should I act? Irrational, perhaps being flipping with me. And I go, you should ask to be guided by the Holy Spirit rather than leaning on your own understanding.
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A
That's it.
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C
And after that, he found some reason to pull the parachute and get out of there. But that's it.
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A
You made him squirm.
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C
Well, yeah, we're gonna. Because we're gonna see a lot of. And you're gonna hear a lot of fancy language. You're gonna see a lot of newspapers and. Yeah. Videos and pictures of. You might see some stuff in real life. I don't even know if this stuff is real anymore.
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A
Well, that's what Shane is talking about. And dude, I'm so glad this is the way we're going to end it because this is really the message that I want people to. I wonder if you'd agree with this, Shane. We've been doing this for a long time. We, the three of us here might be, you could call us career conspiracy theorists. And for the first time in my life, I'm recognizing that the floodgates is open in such a way that top is right. The only thing we're going to have is discernment that's gifted to us through the Holy Spirit. Leaning on our own understanding is going to lead to catastrophe. I mean, catastrophe. There's no other way to put it. We're going to be inundated with so much information that's going to flesh out that overlay that you're talking about this. This false reality that they've laid over God's Reality. And I think at some point, maybe historically, you could wrestle with it and you can grapple with it, you could reveal the truth, but it's going to get so big that you're gonna have no other choice but to stop grappling with it and lean entirely on the Lord.
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B
Yep. That's. I mean, there's like a meme out there about like, I went down every rabbit hole, and they all just wind up at Jesus, you know, because it's. The only anchor in this chaotic reality is Christ, you know, and it's for something. It's. It's as ancient as it is. It's the. It's the only. It is. It's a modern blueprint through all of the human suffering we go through in this crazy place. You know, every answer is in there. So something a friend told me about it, and we were talking about the Bible, and she was like. His dad told him, like, every answer you ever need is in the Bible. And, you know, maybe you've read it already, and then you have an experience, you go back, you read the same thing again. You're like, man, that is exactly what I needed to hear. That's exactly right, because it all goes back to human nature. It understands human nature. It understands that we're all flawed and sinners. And, you know, this is the blueprint to eternal life. And that is the thing we should be focusing on and trying to help people save souls, you know, and. And glorify God, but also, like, how to try to defeat evil as best we can and then lay this foundation of, you know, godliness in our children, because they're going to inherit their own version of the depraved world that we inherited. Right. But it'll just be a little different because it keeps tweaking itself every now and every, like, generation. So prepare them with that. But if you prepare them with that, with the foundation of the Lord's word, you know, they're way better off than kids. And that's why. That's why the people in charge don't want you to have that foundation, because they know it's harder to manipulate you into their psychotic realm and buying everything. And it's harder to shackle you to the material world. If you're not worried about the treasures in the material world, you're worried about the treasures in the afterlife, in the eternal world, in heaven.
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C
Amen. Pilgrims and strangers.
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A
Yeah.
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C
A smart man once said, well, we should be in this world. But, Shane, we've kept you for way too long. Can you tell the people again where they can find you, find more of your work and just follow you in general, man.
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B
Yeah. Well, thank you for having me. This is a pleasure. I hope to get down there and have some coffee in that shop and hang out.
- [133:08]
C
Yeah, dude, coffee's on us.
- [133:10]
B
We'll do that. I'm looking forward to it. And you can find me online everywhere, like Instagram, Twitter, at Shane Cashman. My books are@shanecashman.com and the show is Inverted World Live. That's on YouTube. And rumble from Monday through Thursday at 10:00 clock at night.
- [133:27]
C
Excellent. Guys, go follow him. Go follow Shane. What the hell are you doing? And until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.
- [133:51]
B
Is there for.