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NDS on Dark Waters w/ James Williams
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
You put on a mountain of influence to bring your sons and daughters into the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And we ask that you be glorified in this podcast and in this interview. Lord, your word says we will open our mouth and you will put words in them. So I just want to make sure that you understand, Lord, that, that we, we know things, but we know nothing compared to you. And I want to offer you the opportunity to join us and to disclose what you want to disclose. Lord, I ask that you give us access to the deep recesses of our minds and that we pull out information that not only will teach people lessons, but will captivate them. And Lord, we bind now in the name of Jesus Christ, the Prince of the Powers of the Air, and decree and declare that you shall not interfere with this podcast or this record in any way, shape or form. And we invite the Prince of Peace into this and Lord, the spirits that are contending against my brothers, to not allow them to ascend the Mountain of Influence. As a king and priest of the Order of Melchizedek and one you have assigned to the mountain of Influence, I decree and declare they all fall down now. In the name of Jesus Christ, I decree and declare the circumstances surrounding them that would slow them down. And every circumstance the head is cut off of it and the legs are cut off of it. Now, in the name of Jesus Christ, Lord, I ask that you be exalted through their efforts and that you bring souls into the kingdom that these people that they listen to, Lord, that they be educated and turned into watchmen so that their family members and their friends and the people surrounding them that they can come into the kingdom and not be deceived. Your word says, be not ignorant of the devices of the devil. Least Satan get advantage of you, Lord, you're raising up men to teach people not to be ignorant of very specific devices. And I thank you, Lord. And we decree and declare victory in the name of Jesus Christ and say amen.
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Top Lobster
Amen.
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Lady Luck
Powerful.
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David
That was a banger, man.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Wow. Nah, bro. I don't. Interviews for me, bro. Like, when Wes was like, hey, James, you're supposed to be interviewing them, I was like, okay. He was like, what's wrong? I said, no. I mean, you know, we don't. Wes will tell you we don't pick who we interview. He'll be sitting there and sitting at his computer, and something will pop up, and God will say, hey, interview those guys. Or James needs to go over there. And then I'll just go. So it. Nobody encounters me unless God wants them to encounter me. So I just. Whatever.
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David
I love that. I love that. That's how we moved on. That is how we move.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, let's. We tell a little bit about how, like, we even got here, what we're even doing.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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David
Well, I mean, you know, wherever it goes, it goes. I'm excited.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Oh, it's. It's about to go. Watch this. Let's get it started. Record today. This meeting is being recorded. What's up, ladies and gentlemen, it's your boy, the one and only James Williams, Dark Waters. And I'm back, and I got another interview with you guys, and I'm excited. I'm gonna tell you why I'm excited, because, you know, I do a lot of individual videos where I'll be talking about strange and weird and freaky stuff that be going on, but you got to kind of be a little cuckoo for Jesus to really talk about these things in the public's eye, because you got to deal with all the people saying bad stuff about you and all the rest of this. So when I find some people who are excited, look at this, look at the camera. When I find people excited or talking about the same thing I'm talking about, then I just. I'm. I'm happy to have the conversation. So right now, I want to Introduce you guys. I have the Nephilim Death Squad podcast on with me, and I have David, and I have top lobster. Now, don't worry about the top G, Andrew Tate, because he's a top loser. They got a video going viral with him right now in a casino with a headless man. Don't believe me, Go look it up on Twitter.
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Top Lobster
Oh, that's where he's wearing, like, the silk shirt, like, see through silk shirt. You saw it move a little strange.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Clearly the top G right now is running around with a bunch of demons. Something going on with the top G. Or maybe he just deleted the head to go viral. He's smart enough to do that. But anyway, gentlemen, let's. Let's get the ball rolling. Tell everybody about your journey into, not only YouTube, but more importantly, your journey into the understanding of, you know, that. That there's some weird, freaky, crazy stuff going on and we need to talk about it. How did you get to the point where you decided, hey, I'm gonna turn on a microphone and I'm gonna talk about this? So funny.
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David
It's a. It's a long story, but I'll give you the. The short of it. I was personally born into a family that I believe was riddled with generational iniquity. And so my grandmother was alien abductee victim since childhood. And I don't know if it started with her, but she dealt with these things in the incorrect way.
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David
She gravitated towards the new age and, you know, sort of clairvoyant practices and I guess you could call it probably Wiccan. And. And the. The fruits are evident in the generations that follow. My aunt, her. Her daughter's, you know, schizophrenic, which I do believe is a. A spiritual ailment. And. And there are all these instances in my lineage of people having these strange experiences, myself included. You know, kind of the run of the mill things, shadow people, sleep paralysis. Eventually, these things lead to a much bigger event where I. I encountered a demon. And I honestly kept my mouth shut about it because it was so horrifying and hard to deal with until my wife and my son saw it as well, and I had to have some sort of recourse, and maybe we'll get into that. But all of these events in my life, they. They lead me to, you know, thank God for the Internet. Early 2005, 2006, I start looking up the things that my family's experiencing, the things that I'm experiencing, and there's no shortage of other people Having these experiences. And that just kicks the door open from supernatural phenomenon to conspiracy. Right. What does it all mean? Why are these things happening? Are these things demonic? And what that ends up leading to is all of the prevalence of the symbolism inside Hollywood and the music industry. And, you know, as far as demonic sigils and. And symbolism, it becomes very clear that everything is. Is Satanic, you know, in. In the major industries and that. I mean, that's a lifelong thing now. I'm. I'm 36 years old. I started this probably 15, 16 years old. So all the meaningful years of my life have been spent looking into this phenomenon. And it wasn't until maybe 32 or 33 that I started to make content about it. Because, you know, part of the reason was I still wasn't sure. I wasn't sure about the nature of this thing that I was looking at. And I never deigned to be a teacher. I still don't. But eventually I crossed this sort of. This line in the sand where I made a decision to start pursuing Christ. And I think that I was always meant to do a podcast, but it was about that. And thank God it didn't happen any sooner. Thank God that. That God didn't put it on my heart to start making shows about this topic, because I would have flubbed it. I didn't know what I was dealing with.
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Top Lobster
It's funny, as we do, like, more Bible studies and stuff, you see a lot of people try to push God's timeline. Like, Moses goes and kills a guy in Egypt, and God was like, help. 40 years. You know, like, you still got some time. Or was it 30 years before he's like, all right, now we can start moving. So like you said before, we. We're very similar in the same way where we don't really do anything unless God. God, like, really pushes it.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And we're trying our best to understand what that sounds like, because it's a still, small voice. So, like, we're. A lot of times I'm sitting still until we're ready to just bounce. And when we bounce, we move. We really do.
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Top Lobster
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David
I'll tell you what, though, if you knew us personally, you would say there's no way that whatever we've done here with Nephilim Death Squad is even possible without God. Because you. You know, we have our skill sets. We're sharp in this department. We're not in others. And this thing moves because God wants it to move.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I tell you what you guys are going to be, that's wild. You guys are going to ascend to a height on a mountain that people are going to dream about. You really are. You are. You're going to. So there's, there's training that you go through in a secret place. Since it's like this phase where you're not getting the views where you're kind of there, it you're in secret. And in secret is where you get made. Like you'll be hidden, you'll be doing it, but you're like, man, I'm not getting attraction, I'm not blowing up. It's because you're in secret and it's in that secret place that God makes you. So when you get to the highest heights, you don't embarrass him. So what you're going through is a secret place. And so as you're in that secret place, enjoy the secret place. Because there's training that come through the secret place. You there, then you get a little bit of prominence, then you get attacked and then the Lord checks your heart to see, okay, are you gonna come back to me and talk to me about people attacking you? Are you going to argue with people who are attacking you? Do you know you're on a mission from me or not and who you going to listen to? So you guys are just in a secret place. It's a great thing, but you guys are going to be phenomenal. Even as you're talking, the Lord's just saying, no, they're going to be big, James. And I'm like, well that's awesome. That's Great.
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David
I. You know, I love that, though, James. That idea of going back, you know, getting attacked and then going back and checking with God because we have. We've taken.
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Lady Luck
Go.
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Top Lobster
We're going through that iteration again right now where you just said, as a matter of fact, if what Pastor Mark preached.
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David
I knew you heard that. Yeah, I knew you heard that. He was talking to you.
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Lady Luck
I went.
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Top Lobster
I went, all right, so about a year ago, right behind me is a poster that we did. Hold on. It's a poster that we did for Bohemian Grove. Bohemian Grove four. Now we're.
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David
Now we're going number four.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. This was three. And that show took a lot out of us, and it came with a ton of spiritual attack. We lost friendships. We lost business partners doing this. We lost a venue, we lost a theater. We got kicked out of a town for hosting somebody.
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David
They wrote articles about us and everything. It was.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, because we hosted Owen Benjamin and we had Sam Tripoli, Shane Cashman, Jake Shields. I mean, tons of people were here. But because we deigned to invite Owen Benjamin, they were like, it's absolute no go. Doesn't matter how much money, doesn't matter what. There's no negotiation. So we were kicked out of a theater, kicked out of a town, lost friendships because of. Because I wouldn't negotiate. I don't negotiate with terrorists. I'm not going to negotiate with the devil. And this was an ideological attack. Very clear. It was a. It was a very clear, like, distinction here. Like, what are you going to do? Do you want to keep this worldly thing and do this thing in this theater, or do you want to do it in this moose Lodge or. We didn't even have a place.
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David
We didn't have a place. We just lost the veterans.
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Top Lobster
But if you want to do it there, you're going to sell. You're going to sell out all of your principles. Everything that you've been saying up until now, that was the testing ground. Are you going to do this? And to me, it was like. It was easy. It was no question. It was like Covid, where they're like, you're going to put that in your arm. And that was the easy spot. I say no right away. How many times can you say no to the system before it starts to get, you know, like, really in your face? But one of the friendships that we lost, actually, again. So we're doing Bohemian Grove again next month.
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David
Yep, it's coming up next month.
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Top Lobster
And we have Owen Benjamin coming back. He's coming back just to hang out. And the Same person kind of rears his ugly head.
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David
The same relationship that falls apart. And I think what became clear is, like, so we had an interaction with this person, and there was this opportunity to reconcile. It seems.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David
Turned out homeboy's heart is still hardened very hard. And now they're publicly saying things and they're not true. And it's argumentative. The arrows are coming again. And, you know, both top and I can feel it. It's this pull into the argument, this pull into the fight.
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Top Lobster
Oh, it's strong. I mean, I. I messaged our. Our video editor on Monday. We're going to make a clip because I'm going to cut this guy down at the legs.
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Top Lobster
So be ready. And he just goes, okay, boss.
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David
And then we went to church, and I'm sitting next to him, and the pastor is talking about forgiveness and what forgiveness actually is. And this. This letting go of this thing that is corrosive and acidic and it eats you from the inside. And. And, you know, to actually let it be, because vengeance isn't ours.
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Top Lobster
It's for the Lord.
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David
We're not avengers, was the analogy that he was using. And I'm sitting there because I saw that message come into our video editor. You know, we're gonna. We're gonna get him up. And then I'm. I'm listening, and I'm like, he's talking to him. He's talking to him.
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Top Lobster
And they did an altar call. I'm like, I'm not doing it. I don't do the whole show thing.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Raise your hand. Like, no, that's not for me, but I'm listening. Yeah, I did tell him after.
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Lady Luck
Oh, did you?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, I went to him and I said, hey. You know, I didn't come up, but I know when they're in their. Their study and they're making these things, they're like. I don't know why God told me to say this today, for whatever reason, because it is, like a bit of a. It's a general message in a way.
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David
Sure.
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Top Lobster
But. But to deliver that, I mean, on Friday or Saturday, I told this to our editor.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And on Sunday, God was like, calm down, relax. Yeah, yeah, relax. And it's one of those things, too. It's like over and over again in my life, I've.
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David
I've.
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Top Lobster
You hear the call of God. And the great thing about it is you could always tell him no.
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David
Yeah, you can.
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Top Lobster
There's a very strong component of free will, which is like, how. How I even got here. I told him no. I got prophesied on at one point, 10, 15 years ago. I had one foot out of the church because of whatever was going on there. And somebody prophesied over me. They said, you're going to be talking to a million people one day. And I was like, shut up. I'm not. You have no clue. I'm gone. And I said, no, no, no, no, no. But it doesn't really matter because there's a way of, like, drawing you back in. But yeah, again, I've gotten to the point in my life where I'm like, I'm not. I'm dumb, but I'm not dumb enough to continue to say no. I was like, all right, that was very clear. I heard you. Fine. You know what I mean? Yeah, I would like, bro, I don't want to. I still want to make that video, but like, okay, I hear you, but I got to let that go. So that's where we're at with this whole thing.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I'll tell you something that you guys should know. So it's.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
When we're obedient to the Lord or when we follow the Lord's commands, then what it allows is for all obedience to be filled and then for punishment to go against those who come against us. So the test for you is, and I, bro, and I tell you, I've been through these tests. Mine has been very public. People who watch me like, damn, I can't believe you just sat through that. What ends up happening is the Lord is more concerned about you and your heart than your podcast and your emotions than your feelings. And if you can maintain the right heart posture, he'll come in and that test will come and he'll say, okay, let me look at his heart. And so he looks at your heart and he says, okay, there's some bitterness. And he gonna pull that bitterness out. There's an arrow of betrayal. There's this. He's gonna pull all these arrows out. He said, okay, now you keep your heart in the right condition and you're fine. Then he gonna go over to the other person. He's Gonna say, huh? Now you. You over here tripping hard. So let me give you this circumstance. This circumstance. This circumstance. This circumstance. This circumstance. So I can purge your heart of everything that's there. So when we're obedient to him, he punishes the individual that does what they need to do. The longer you're in bitterness, the longer you're not forgiving. The only thing you do is delay their punishment. That's why when people offend me, I'd be like, hey, I forgive you, bro. Don't worry about it. It's cool. They'd be like, what? I forgive you because I know you about to get your behind. Whoop. I know because I've been through the same thing.
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David
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
And so you just let it go. And the way that what will happen is you'll get these thoughts that come in and he be like, I can't believe that, you know, he playing with me like this. He said this. He said that. Da d, da, da. And that's the spirit of offense coming in. And once that spirit gets in, then you get tangled up. It's real simply, lord, you know what? Help him and change me. Lord, I just need you to help that individual and change me. And it happens to me all the time, you know, on YouTube, I have ample opportunities to get offended, help him change me. And I maintain that posture because what happens is I'm going to change because I can't change that individual, and the Lord's going to help him. That help don't always look like what everybody think it looks like. Many times that help seems like a challenge that comes against that person to where they gotta change. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, so you guys are gonna go high, high, high on the mountain of influence. So we talked about Disclosure Day, ladies and gentlemen. I'm sorry, we just went. We went full prophetic angle on you guys. Stop messing up camera. We went full prophetic angle on you guys. But I want to talk to you guys. So you guys went to go see Disclosure Day. I refuse to give this. This jack butt any of my money. What are your thoughts on the movie?
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David
Well, first off, I didn't see Disclosure Day, and he illegally pirates my cousin.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Okay. You didn't give me his money.
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Top Lobster
No, no, I'm not gonna pay him for that. Like, we were actually planning to go see it in theaters.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Just to, like, review it. And then I guess it just happened where we were like, so what?
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David
Yeah, so what ended up happening? It was leading up to it got a bunch of Bad reviews. People said it was slop, and it was a little boring. And so I said, all right, well, you know, we'll wait for it to come out. But this disclosure thing is something that I feel as though is. It's part of what God is preparing us for on this show, especially because it's one of the longest things that we've talked about and to kind of frame that for the audience. I don't believe that aliens are, you know, space brothers from a galaxy far, far away in a highly advanced technological civilization. I think that these are a rebranding of spiritual entities and a rebranding of the same concept that creates a Nephilim. So for the audience, I'm sure they're very familiar with it, but the idea of the Nephilim being the sons of God coming into the daughters of man and producing offspring, they're effectively hybrids. And I think that at the heart of the alien phenomenon is that hybridization program. And I'm not saying that that is definitively true. It's just where my research leads me. The reason that I say it may not be definitively true is because we recently had Matt Gaetz and a bunch of other people come out and talk about, you know, the hybridization program taking place deep underground between aliens and humans. So whenever some big talking head comes along and says it, I'm now forced to check my ideas and.
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Top Lobster
And kind of actually at the inception of our podcast, Nephilim Death Squad, I think maybe two months after we had the Nephilim in Miami.
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David
Oh, yeah.
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Top Lobster
Happen. So it was, like, great timing for the branding. And then right after that, Tucker Carlson comes out with, like, Roseanne Barr, and they're talking about the Nephilim, and me and David are like, hold on. Wait a second. Pump the brakes. Why are you talking about it right now?
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David
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
So it really makes us suspicious. Like, are we over the target? Or maybe we're supposed to be headed this way as a. As a people, and people are doing soft disclosure in different directions. So, yeah, that's what disclosure day is. It's admission of the truth. But the direction that they want to point you in is incorrect.
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David
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
And that's what I'm paying attention to. And it was. It was really fun to watch it. Like, if I were to watch it with David, it's more. More like it would have been us dissecting it, but I was watching it with my normie cousins, so I'm able to see and, like, gauge their response to certain things and then ask Them leading questions and see what they're. Yeah. Where they're at with it. But it was, I'd say it was solid on the alien phenomenon. It was well researched. They actually recreated a lot of the alien tapes that, you know, have claimed to been hoax, things like that. So they, they did a really fun job with that. And I was like, okay, they're nailing the disclosure, nuts and bolts aspect of it and even the NHI aspect. Like they're, they're right on it. And it'll probably look a lot like. If we get disclosure, it'll look a lot like this movie. It's in the backdrop of a movie. America is in DEFCON 2. So we're going through some sort of war and we're at risk, which is what the government would do when something like this is going to happen. They're going to create a, maybe a distract, like a war with Iran or something like that, a World War 3. So we're right there.
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David
Something for us to be saved from. Oftentimes that's the narrative it seems like they're going to go with is this idea that we may be on the precipice of nuclear war, which if you're into the alien phenomenon and you're observing all the UAPs and UFOs and you know, their comings and goings over the last few decades, they have an interest in nuclear facilities or, you know, weapons of war, shutting them down. I believe there's famous instances of a craft being unable to be intercepted and then shooting a laser and disarming. So it's clear. Go ahead.
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Top Lobster
Right from the jump. 1947. The year 1947, that's in the film. Oh, in the very beginning and then in the middle at the end, it continues to pop up. So I'm like, okay, it's well researched at the very least. And Spielberg did his homework, so.
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David
Oh, good for him.
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Top Lobster
Good for Spielberg.
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David
But I do think they're gonna prop themselves up as a savior figure. Right. In fact, something that is Antichrist, something that's in place of Christ. I think they're going to stay very adjacent to the biblical narrative, but they're going to deviate on really important aspects that are going to lead you to false conclusions about the nature of these things, which is really my concern. I mean, right now as we look at it on the show and everybody can see this in regards to disclosure, it's about reverse engineered technology. It's about zero point energy. And, and I don't care about any of that. I care about the nature of the entities, that is my main concern. I believe everything can be chopped up into two groups. It's either in the grace of God and moving for God's will in the kingdom of God, or it's demonic. And I use demonic as a blanket term. I mean, against God, against the will of God, against humanity, deceptive in nature.
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Top Lobster
And that's the. That's the deception of this film that we're being presented two sides, which is a government that does not want to disclose demonic, and then the disclosure side that wants to present us aliens, but in a certain light. Yeah, demonic. Demonic, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Demonic and demonic. You're giving false choices.
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David
Absolutely.
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Top Lobster
Yes. Yes or yes. Right. To the. To the audience. And the audience goes, oh, well, I guess, you know, they have nowhere to put this at all. And when it's presented to them in real life, eventually they're going to think back to disclosure day. And that's what it's programming, in a sense.
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David
This is the. This is the. The entertainment arm of it. Right there was the. The more logistical arm, which was Age of Disclosure, that came out a Lou Elizondo documentary that was kind of in the background. The. The scaffolding for it was the Hero's Journey. It was Lou Elizondo who has been struggling behind the scenes to finally gain credibility. And now he's here and he's gonna, you know, do what he has to do for the American public. One of the things that they do really early in that documentary is they plant this seed of doubt because they say flippantly and then they move on with no real context. But it's, you know, read in between the lines. The viewer can fill in the blanks. They say there is an old guard within the Pentagon who wants to frame these things as devils and demons. And they're standing in the way of progress. Which is insane to say that in the Pentagon, you're.
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Grainger Announcer
Who.
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David
Who else calls their negative spiritual entities devils and demons besides Christians?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Christians, yeah.
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David
So. So you're alluding to the idea that in the Pentagon there is a body of Christians who are doing what? Standing in the way of progress. Which is very slippery because if you start to paint that narrative, what happens is people like us come up and sound the alarm as we get closer to disclosure. And what are we doing? We're standing in the way of progress. Progress for what? Well, it. Highly advanced technologies and systems that'll create a veritable utopia on. On earth, much like Arthur C. Clark's Childhood's end. Childhood's end. If you ever watch that? I didn't read it. But there is a Amazon prime adaptation. And the long and short of it is alien species reveals itself Craft first.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Satan.
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David
Yeah, basically. Basically they're demons in the end. But until they reveal themselves, their visage, they introduce systems of politics and, and you know, technologies that do create a utopia on earth for however many years. People are so grateful for that fact that when they eventually reveal themselves to be giant greasy demons, nobody really is, is too upset about it. So I, I wouldn't be surprised if we get something similar to that if we stand in the way of that.
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If they're introducing technologies that are, you know, reforming transportation, reforming the, the oil oligarchs grip on the energy sector of the world and all, and we're, we're changing that rapidly and everybody is experiencing what is effectively a miracle, right, for humanity. And Christians are going, no, these are demons. That's not going to be a great place to be. I mean, it is ultimately, it makes
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Top Lobster
a lot, a lot of sense. When you read about like losing your heads and persecution in the book of Revelation. You're like, yeah, I could see how
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David
that you might want to cut my head off because I'm talking crap about your hoverboard or whatever it is.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah. But in the movie, an interesting part there. Well, even before that, a lot of the interviews that Spielberg was doing, he was saying that this will shake the foundation, the movie is going to shake the foundation of people who are Christians, not believers in God, not believers in Judaism or Islam, Buddhists or anything like that.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
In Christianity specifically. So I'm like, okay, I understand where you're pointing your gun. That's fair. Yeah. So coming into this, I'm very skeptical of what you're gonna be pointing at. And there's a, there's a point in the movie I forget the woman's name. She's the girlfriend to one of the protagonists. He's the, the male protagonist. And spoilers, spoiler alert, I don't care. Whatever I I pirated this crap.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Anyway.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, it's slop. Anyway, he's. It's. She's. She's the girlfriend to the protagonist named Daniel and she's an ex nun, which is very convenient. So she has a background in Christianity, Catholic Christianity, which is also, it's interesting because Catholicism is the only denomination that to my knowledge is sort of friendly to this Ufosis.
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David
The Vatican in particular, the Pope saying he's going to baptize our space brothers and such.
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Top Lobster
Right, right.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I mean, because he's a rank devil.
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David
Uh huh.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, the Vaticans, apparently we had Leo. What was his name? Zagami.
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David
Oh, Leo Zagami, I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fantast character. Very spooky.
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Top Lobster
But the Vatican is also recovered craft too, because they're sort of. They're like a pseudo governmental entity as well. They're their own thing.
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David
They also have their own science and astrology wing and all kinds of stuff. So yeah, the Vatican is.
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Top Lobster
They have a big telescope named Lucifer, but whatever, that's neither here nor there, no big deal. During the film, she's struggling with God and at one point she says something like, I believe in God, but I don't believe in his divinity. So it's like I believe in water, but it's not wet. Right.
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David
That's interesting.
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Lady Luck
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
It doesn't make any sense to me at least. And the viewer is kind of like a lukewarm take. But it's just, I think it's to splash doubt on, on this character and on, on God. You know what, it could be his power.
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David
I'm just going to inject it really quickly. If we were created Zacharias itch and Unaki style by a race of, you know, ETs. They genetically altered us. They could be our creators, God, but they're not necessarily divine because they're just another alien species.
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Top Lobster
Right, right.
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David
And this, since this whole thing is alien, you know, oriented, maybe, maybe that's kind of the thing that they're doing.
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Top Lobster
It's meant to. Yeah, that's like a small stripping away of the sovereignty of God, you know, the first, First Commandment, no gods before me. And she says this, she, she's arguing with Daniel. And the quote that I wrote down, while he's, he's hell bent on giving disclosure. He has USBs full of all the governmental tapes of craft and aliens and things like that. And he wants to show this somehow. He doesn't know how. And she goes, you may not want to tell people about the existence of aliens because it would disrupt a Social order built on belief in a supreme being by showing them actual supreme beings. So do you see where we're going with this?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yeah, I see where we're going. Let me say this, guys. So what I saw the movie Being and everything going on is there's two different priesthood. You know, in Revelations 5:1 or 6:1 it says, for we have been made kings and priests unto God by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. So there's the kingship and priesthood of those who are in Christ, and then there's these other kingships and priesthoods that are rising around us. And so that kingship and priesthood, meaning the influence of Nephilim and UFOs and then the worship of Nephilim and UFOs, it needs reinforcement. And so what I saw it as was, okay, this narrative of UFOs and aliens is constantly getting reinforcement in the News Weekly. So you'll have J.D. vance come out and say, well, you know, you know, there are things out of the Book of Enoch. And then you have Anna Paulina Luna with her pretty behind come out and say, well, yeah, you know, we think that these are interdimensional demons. And so what we're seeing is the bolstering of that priesthood to where that, what I would call false doctrine or doctrine of devils is getting the support that it needs to get to sustain itself. Because we had this. We. And we still have this great revival happening. If you check, really check the news, you see thousands of people getting baptized. California people getting baptized on the beaches. I hung out with some people this weekend. They just had a. A camp, a summer camp for kids where it was like, James, we had 5, 000 kids go to California for a Christian summer camp. Normally we get a ousand, we have five thousand. So you have these priesthoods that are battling each other out, but it's not really. It's a. It's a public battle if you know where to look. But the average person doesn't know where to look. And so we see these people who are high priest of this religion of fallen angels, like you. I'll take like the very first person that came to my attention that stood in the spot was as a Christian that spoke about it but maintained his loyalty to Jesus Christ was Steve Quail. And then we saw Steve Quail come out. Steve, who's still there professing Jesus, he blew up. And then you had all these other people that spawned off of him, like Timothy Albarino. Timothy went on to just be a high priest of Nephilim. I'm sorry, guys. If you like Tim, cool. But the dude's a high priest of Nephilim. You can go back and you will find very little where he talks about Jesus. He exhausts those entities and creatures. And so we had these various different. So you have that priesthood and you have these other priests that spawn from each of them. So you got the lineage that came from Steve Quail, which are people who will talk about it, but they'll talk about Christ.
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David
Yes.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
You got like a Timothy and then the people that talk about it and they're obsessed with the entities themselves.
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David
Yes.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
And so we're dealing with this battle of priesthood that's playing out in the public's eye. And if you tell people, hey, you know, why are you learning about UFOs and aliens and Nephilim and you don't know anything about Jesus? They're like, well, James, you know, you need to read the book of Enoch. I said, no, I don't. The book Enoch was in my mama Bible. What I need to know is the power and authority I have through Christ Jesus. So when a nephilim, an alien, a demon, a lizard person, which is real, pops up at my house, I'm just gonna sit there and look and be like, what the hell? He sent you a Vivid to kick your butt. Yeah, but people don't understand that. They focus on the entities. So that's the worship. You know what I'm saying? So these guys are bringing worship to them.
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David
This was, this was actually something that we encountered.
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Top Lobster
Well, before we let me just tie up disclosure, Dick.
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Top Lobster
Okay, we'll go right into this.
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David
This is hugely important.
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Top Lobster
And, and you know what? We've apologized to Daddy.
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David
That's right.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
That's right.
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Top Lobster
And we call Nomadic Cold. No man Daddy.
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Grainger Announcer
That's right.
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Top Lobster
Unless Timothy. It's Timothy Alvarino.
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David
We did apologize to him because we went insane on him. But also, it seems like it was at a bad time too. He's trying to do a little press
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Top Lobster
run to call back to the beginning of what you were talking about. We do a lot of comedy. Heavy on comedy.
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Lady Luck
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Grainger Announcer
He.
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Top Lobster
He wanted to debate us. And, and that doesn't mix. I understand. Debate versus it's gonna end bad, right? Because we're doing a thing where we're playing peekaboo and it's, it's a bit unfair, like the tactics. But sure. It got to a point where I was like, I don't, I don't like
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David
this guy I interviewed.
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Top Lobster
Then I start wanting to like, you know what I mean?
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David
Or debated him while I was dressed like Indiana Jones.
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Top Lobster
If we could share a screen. I'll show you in a second. Is it this one? Let me, let me go back to just real quick, just the disclosure. Sure, sure, sure, sure. One egregious moment in there. She talks about the supreme beings. Because that's like an idea, basically. God or lowercase G. God is what they're talking about when they say supreme beings.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Sure.
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David
So they're going to do the Anunnaki thing.
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Top Lobster
So boring. Do it again though, I guess. So the ex nun calls her a nun that still is in the, you know, whatever, in the church.
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David
Okay.
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Top Lobster
And she's asking her questions about this stuff and she goes, well, could it be that God created more than us? Because Genesis said that God created us and gave us, you know. And the nun goes, she says, gen. Well, the woman says, genesis says we are his supreme creation. And then the sister goes, genesis says that we're his supreme creation on Earth. And then I start thinking, so I, I look through the Bible and it's Genesis 1:26,127. It's where they're saying God created man and then he gave him dominion over the animals and the earth and all this stuff. He didn't. It didn't say supreme creation. It didn't say on Earth. So it's a mis, it's a mistranslation. It's a misquotation on purpose on a very well researched movie.
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David
Yeah, this is like the telepathy tapes thing where they're like, oh, there's a
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Top Lobster
ton of telepathy in this as well. They can't stop themselves with telepathy MK Ultra techniques.
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David
That's another thing, James. Some of our most. I would say our most important work was on the telepathy tapes MK Ultra and how it ties into the spiritual realm. And if we have time, maybe we could touch on that a little bit. But this Albarino thing, so, so the way that that ended up unfolding was I kept noticing him and a couple other guys in his circle say if you think aliens are demons, you're an idiot. And While that is reductive in some sense, it's really not. I mean, it arms the individual with how to operate when it comes to these things. Right. These things are adversarial and deceptive.
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Top Lobster
But what it also does, like James told us at the top of the show, he's like, I want you guys to plug Nephilim Death Squad. Say it at least 15 times, but don it egregious. And I said, all I want to do is say Nephilim Death Squad podcast, Spotify and Apple Music.
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David
So I get it.
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Top Lobster
We get to a point with Tim where Tim's saying this stuff and we. We've had him on the show before and we actually butted heads with them on the show.
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David
That was adversarial.
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Top Lobster
And it was like cuz we're dumb. We had no business doing that that early on in the show. But we're like, hey, hold on a second.
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David
It's like episode seven.
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Spinquest Announcer
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Top Lobster
Like, wait, what did you just say? So we're calling him out there and he goes, if you think that Nephilim are demons.
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David
I think he said, no, you say if you. If you think aliens. Well, actually the thing he said was basically nailed all of our branding, but more or less it was, if you think aliens are demons, you're an idiot.
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Top Lobster
And no, you're retarded.
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David
That's what he said. Yeah. And he said it so many times that I was like, you told.
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Top Lobster
He must be talking about me.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Well, yeah, yeah, to you on your podcast.
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David
That's exactly.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David
So.
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Top Lobster
Well, here, look. I mean, right above our little Nephilim skull, it says retardio. It's a little joke. Retard means return and dio means to God. So like return to God, like be. Be retarded enough so like that. That like you're not think.
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David
Yeah. We don't lean on our own intellect. We don't lean on our own understanding.
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Top Lobster
Let the Holy Spirit work through you. Return to God. And it's a joke that we say to our fans, and I think they like it.
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David
Yeah, yeah.
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Lady Luck
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David
So what ends up happening is eventually this thing reaches such a critical mass. He keeps saying it and I'm going to, hey. The phenomenon have so much overlap. Demonic encounters, alien encounters. Once you start to recognize patterns, they're strikingly similar. In testimony, when people are, you know, saying this is what happened to me, you go, well, that's a, that's very similar to when people say this is what it was like when I got abducted. And that you keep scratching at that and it yields an unbelievable amount of overlapping patterns. So I have a problem with saying, if you believe they're demons, you're an idiot because research will show you. Well, actually they're very similar. So we cannot throw this out. In fact, the idea that they ever flee in the name of Jesus Christ, that aliens ever do that, and they do at a huge percentage of testimony that needs to stay, that's Joseph Jordan's focus. Yeah, Joseph Jordan, MUFON Investigator. He does a great job of that. So my response to that, even though he's not talking directly to us, is to dress like Indiana Jones and get a whip. And I cut this video where I'm like whipping my mirror and the caption says, if you believe that aliens are demons, you're retarded. And did you tag him? No, I didn't tag him.
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David
And then what happens is he eventually shows up in the comment section and he goes, maybe we could have a discussion like adults about this. And I go, why would you think this is about you?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I wouldn't think about you unless it was you. That's when the nail hits.
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David
Yeah. So what ends up happening is he challenges us to a debate. I've never done a debate. And I don't even really know where we deviate, you know, because I don't absorb his content. So I'm now forced to do a series on my show.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Lady Luck
And.
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David
And I do it dressed as Indiana Jones the whole time. And I'm. And we're watching all these documentaries and I start seeing something very strange where it's like this guy, this is in a, in a documentary series. I forget what it is. But the second one is about the Vatican and how the Vatican is, is going to create this gigantic, you know, disclosure, deception and that it is demonic in its nature and it may even bring about the Antichrist. And this is what Timothy Albarino is saying. And I'm looking at this guy and I'm going, yeah, yeah, that's. That's fascinating. I agree with that. This is 10 years ago, this documentary. Right. So during the same moment, Age of Disclosure comes out and I see Timothy Albarino has done a review of Age of Disclosure. So now I'm going to watch that on my show.
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David
And we get to that part that I talked to you about, James, where he, the Elizondo or whoever it is, saying, more or less, I'm paraphrasing, Christians are standing in the way of progress. Alberino gets to that part, and he echoes those sentiments. He goes, yes, there are Christians that are standing in the way of progress.
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Top Lobster
Trust the science.
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David
They're calling them demons. Their heart is in the right place, but ultimately they're incorrect. And I'm going, how is this not a deception? How is this not demonic? Well, if you want, 10 years ago, you're standing on a megalithic, you know, structure saying, the Vatican is going to create a disclosure that the Antichrist is likely going to come from. I couldn't square those things.
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Top Lobster
So, James, if I could share my screen, I could show you the first, like, 15 seconds of, or whatever it is of this debate where it kind of gets to that the heart of exactly what you said. And again, I feel bad about, like, bringing this up.
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David
It's whatever, because this still stands, in my opinion. This is still my gripe. We have to stand.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I don't care about. I don't care about people feelings. I'm a priest of Jesus Christ and he's gave me kingship. I don't care how people feel. Go ahead and show it.
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David
Well, don't. Don't make fun of my hat. Keep in mind I'm dressed like Albarino.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I mean, but he should have known by listening to you guys talk that he was not going to be able to debate and talk out talk. Like, I know from listening to you guys in the first five minutes that the anointing on your tongue is one that'll clown the hell out of somebody. So I would have been like, okay, I'm gonna be careful with these two dudes because they'll cut me up. This I would have to turn on.
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David
Let me tell you, I prayed about this because I don't want to cut down somebody who's in the body of Christ, but I needed to. There was something that I saw and I. And I came upon it. God showed me this thing, and it was a real problem. And so I didn't care about the entire debate. He wanted to talk about whether or not angels had wings and all this. I don't care about any of that. What I care about is you spreading a seed of doubt about Christians standing in the way of Disclosure. That's all I cared about. And I prayed in almost desperation.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Stop. Before you start this. Is it the lighting that's making him look pale and green and demon possessed or is. Look at you. Is it because I'm not. Look at my studio. My studio sucks. So let's be clear.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
You guys know lighting is the lighting that's making him look pale?
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David
I don't know.
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Top Lobster
So what I think is going on. And demon possessed, his demeanor was like this the entire time. And I think it was early. Got a bad set. I think he's got a camera up here, and he's looking at a laptop down here, and he's got bad lighting.
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David
And it was early. He was tired. He was also pissed off because I had been clowning him.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David
All over Twitter.
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Top Lobster
He came in not happy to this debate.
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David
He was not pleased.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I got to see this. Come on, Come on.
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David
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Stop playing. Go.
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David
So the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousand.
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Top Lobster
No sound.
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David
No sound here. Let's. Let's fix that.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Click share. You got to click the. Share sound. Click share again and then click the right hand.
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David
Oh, so the little thing down there also. Share system, audio. Perfect. Got it. Okay.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
All right. Now let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.
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Top Lobster
All right, let's see if this works.
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David
Maybe millions of people will see, and they only mention that you saw fit to inject them of something. Christ Adjacent was a dismissal of the notion, saying that anybody who did express that notion.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I'll tell you what.
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David
Wait, can you hear? Oh, you can't hear it?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I can't even see it or hear it. It's not shared on screen.
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David
Oh, that's what is happening.
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Top Lobster
Okay, I'm sorry.
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David
We thought we were. We were all. I thought we were everything. Okay, we'll try one more time and then share. Here we go. There it is. Okay. Pull it back.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Get it.
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Top Lobster
Okay.
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David
So the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people will see. And the only mention that you saw fit to inject of something Christ Adjacent was a dismissal of the notion, saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress. Something that I've actually heard you say on your review of Age of Disclosure, you echo those exact same sentiments. You said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided.
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Top Lobster
These individuals are misguided, which is the
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David
exact same Thing that was said on that documentary, they just said those people stood in the way of progress.
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Top Lobster
They're actually working against the interest of disclosing the truth.
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David
So what you've done now is to the average person who's not well researched, who doesn't have the analytical mind, who doesn't even have the time, you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head. And that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of the devil, which means that anytime they hear that in the future, they're going to scoff and recoil at that. What this leads to, according to the new age and a multitude of other things, including the Bible, is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions. One world religion under this new umbrella. You have to actually get Christianity out of the way. It's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary the only thing they saw fit to do was dismissing in the most flippant ways.
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Top Lobster
They're not Christians. A lot of these guys are Christians.
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David
They're, they're approaching this for this phenomenon. They're not approaching this without being rooted in Jesus Christ.
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Top Lobster
Oh, wait a minute, hold on.
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David
The gospel was what you said, right? This is the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon. Are not rooted in the Bible.
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Top Lobster
He kind of got in his ass there. That was a little crazy.
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David
He didn't like that.
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Top Lobster
Oh, wait a word.
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David
Okay, okay. Can you hear us now?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yeah, I can hear you guys. So, so, so, so that whole time, see, I thought you were clipping him in at first. So the whole time he's sitting there like this.
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David
So there. No, no, he, it's just like this is right now where we're having a conversation. There was moments where we clipped him in only to show that was saying it. That was from the things I was
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Top Lobster
accusing him of, from his age of disclosure review. Okay, so when he's saying you said this, I just clipped in here you saying it.
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David
Yeah, yeah. So nobody thinks I'm making up anything. But then he does start to try to. But see, he does a thing and, and God bless him. I, I hope he figures it out. I, I hope he's not so close to the phenomenon and has good intentions but got deviated. I, I agree with a lot of your assessment, James, but he does this thing where he will speak in convoluted platitudes. He'll use like every. I just used some five dollar words there. But he will use every five dollar word at his disposal to make something that should be easy to understand, incredibly confusing. And then what happens is the average person will just lean on this person's greater understanding, right? Because you've, you've so used so many words and you must have it all figured out. But he, he's almost like a wizard in this way where he takes a thing and he makes it seem so complicated, when in reality it, it is in some ways complicated. I'm sure there's a. In a vast array of entities, but they're either demonic. Christ says, you are either with me or against me. Right? There is no you're, you're hot or you're cold. Even lukewarm is, is spat from his mouth, Right. We had somebody on our show recently, Dr. Heather Lynn, who said she was a fence sitter for a long time, and then she said, satan owns the fence, right? So there is no in between here. You're either with God or you're against God. You're with Jesus Christ or you're against Jesus Christ. And so, so making any effort to make this more convoluted than it actually has to be, I think is also. But he will do that. He'll get in your way and he'll cut you off and he'll speak. He'll. What's the, the expression? A filibuster for.
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Top Lobster
He didn't like when I said that
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David
an hour, an hour we said, what is a demon? We wanted to start off with laying the groundwork. What is a demon? 45 minutes it took him to say what a demon is. And so, you know, it was one of those things where, where you're watching that clip. I was done already letting this guy go off for as long as he had and muddy these waters. Like, we needed something very clean and very clear to cut through the confusion for the audience. And I needed to pin him against the wall and have him answer for something, which of course, he really didn't. It was another.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Let me ask you a question. I'm going to cut you off. What happened when you mentioned the name Jesus? Did you read the reactions on his face as you mentioned the name Jesus during the conversation? Because what I'm tell you guys, what I saw, just, just. And I'm. I'm not gonna beat around the bush. I saw a man that's extremely demonized or even possibly possessed. Every time I've dealt with someone who's been possessed and they've had that greenish, like lightish, it's like this. You can have white skin, but then it's green and Pale and nasty. And then you look in their eyes, and there's no light within their eyes. You ever seen Billy Carson? Like, have you seen Billy Carson look at Billy Carson's eyes? Billy Carson is demon possessed.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
You can see it because just. It's like. It's almost like the eyes of the guys I grew up who were murderers, but they haven't really murdered anybody because, you know, they. That's not what they cook off the cloth they're cut from, but it's still that same dead look in their eyes. Yeah, that's the same thing I just saw in Timothy Albarino. It's the same thing. I've seen him from the beginning because I was around on YouTube when Timothy Alvarino blew up with Steve Quail. And it was this time period where he was with Steve, and it was all good. And then there was this split, and then it was like, Pune, and he took off. And I was like, this is weird. Not looking for Steve. And where's Steve at? Steve is sick, and Steve is losing his influence, and this guy's skyrocketing. And I said, oh, these are two different altars.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Two different spirits that we're seeing playing out. And so now he's erected this altar to the Nephilim, which are the fallen angels, which are basically the little G gods.
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David
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Now you're getting promoted, but you pay the price for it, and you can look at him and tell that he's paying a price for it. I'm sorry. I'm too old to be playing games. We got demons on him, or. He demonized.
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David
We did a show.
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Top Lobster
He accused us of that.
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David
He accused. Oh, yeah, yeah. He accused us of. Of behaving demonically, or.
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Top Lobster
We told him that we would milk him for all of his cat milk.
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David
Yeah, we said, he's a cat man. We.
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Grainger Announcer
We.
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Top Lobster
We cross the line.
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David
We crossed the line. We did insane things to him on Twitter. And. And it was really bad because our read was this guy is trying to position himself currently so that he can be on. Rogan's disclosure is coming soon. He wants to be an associated talking head. He's smoking cigars with Lou Elizondo and everything. So I did recognize this was bad press for him at the time. It was going very viral, what we were doing to him. And. But we did an interview recently with a guy. What was his name again? I'm sorry.
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Top Lobster
Leo Zagami.
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David
Leo Zagami.
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Top Lobster
I really hate bringing this, because it's like.
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David
I know, I know. It is. It's.
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Top Lobster
It's but the thing is, this won't go away.
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David
It won't go away because I think we nailed it. That's why it won't go away. We saw something.
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Top Lobster
Timothy, the person, I've apologized to him and I said, listen, I'm done. But the narrative, it's still living.
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David
Yeah, yeah. Disclosure is still going.
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Top Lobster
I just watched disclosure day and it's what you're saying.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
It's what you're pushing at. So there's still a big problem. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how to square that circle.
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David
It's hard. Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I don't think you need to square it. I think it's two different kingdoms. That's the problem that we make as Christians. You see, we don't understand that there's two completely different kingdoms and there's one mountain of influence. And so God puts his sons, the sons of God, on the mountain of influence. The Bible says as many as have been led by the spirit of God have been given the power to become sons of God. So you have a power to be a son of God, to represent the kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, on the mountain of influence. And then there's other people who have a different spirit that elevate them to the mountain. And then what Christians, what we do is when we have a. A contentious conversation with someone who. From a different kingdom, then we feel bad. I'm sorry, I don't feel bad. Because here's the thing. The Great Commission is to bring people to Christ. So if you're not pointing people to Jesus Christ, then you point them somewhere else and more importantly, you sending them to hell. And if I have an opportunity to talk about it, then I'm going to talk about it. I don't care how you feel about it. You know, we could box it out, stab it out, shoot it out, whatever we got to do. But I don't care how you feel about it, because it's my job to point people towards Jesus. You point them towards somebody else. Yeah. So essentially I'm just going to let you just run around and take all my brothers and sisters in Christ to hell. Because it's Christians who have this. They want to know about these things. They want to know about the invisible things from Colossians. I think it's 5, 15 through 16 where it talks about the things that were made that were visible and invisible. They want to know about those things because it's a supernatural aspect of our religion and our faith. But there's nobody there to explain it to them. So they go to a ranked devil.
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David
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
They get laid in the wrong direction. So I wouldn't worry about it.
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David
That's exactly, that's exactly it.
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Top Lobster
Go ahead. A fair assessment that I've been doing though, like, because I agree with what you're saying is like, I, I am, I'm binary. And I think that is biblical. It's like, you know, God separated light from darkness. The ones and zeros, very clear. Yes or no. I'm just a guy, though, and I know that I miss sometimes and I do that all the time. I'm like, I'm like, all right, we're going to separate and there's going to be clear, definitive answers. Because working in the gray is very strange for me. Like, I don't. This, this doesn't, this doesn't work with me. So after I have separated and I go, okay, you're on this side, you're on that side. Afterward, I will go back and I'll look at it again and be like, did I mess up here? Like, let me just make sure. Because I'm just a guy still, I'm trying my best. But did I miss? Yeah. Did I push somebody into a corner that didn't have to go into that corner? You know what I mean?
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David
Well, this is the thing. It keeps coming up, right? So we had this conversation with Leo, Leo Zagami.
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Top Lobster
He's like, I didn't miss.
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David
I know, but he did a documentary with them and it was the documentary we were watching. I didn't even recognize Leo Zagami. He reached out to us to come on the show, said, fantastic. I'm looking at him and I'm going like, this guy is very familiar. And I realized, you know, in the documentary when I watched it, remember I told you we were watching Timothy Albarino documentaries? I made fun of this guy because he looks like Dracula or something like that. Like, he's just a really crazy looking character, really fascinating guy. And he starts to talk about the Albarino thing. By this time, I put two and two together, I realize who he is. And he says, you know, so take this up with Leo Zagami. It's public information. It's on our show. But he says that there was this time, number one, they had a falling out when Leo came to him and said aliens are demons. That drove a wedge between them. Now he doesn't hear from him anymore, but he says that he said it like this was just known information that when they were going after the Vatican and they were making these documentaries,
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I
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David
believe he said his car was tampered with. So the. The brake lines in his car, Timothy Alberino's car, I believe he also said that his wife got sick. Like. Like, in other words, alluding to this idea that he ruffled the wrong feathers, which 10 years ago, before this was sort of a free for all in regards to content creation and talking about the matter. And I really do tip my hat to all the people who were in this for. For years before we were, because it's very dangerous. For a long time now, we could pretty much get up and say whatever we want in great deal thanks to the people who came and said it while it was still dangerous. It seems that that was the case for Timothy Albarino. And he goes away for a number of years, like two and a half years, and then he comes back and then all of a sudden he's on the biggest platforms in the world. And so I don't know what happened there. Leo will say, and this is, you know, his words, I'm paraphrasing, that he also had terrible things happen to him and he suffered the consequences, but he stood on business and let these things happen and kept saying what he was saying and eventually had to flee Rome and all these crazy things happened to him. He said more or less that Tim folded under the pressure. I don't know if that's the case, and I don't. I don't envy anybody who's had to be in those types of circumstances. I like to think that if anybody came and tried to pressure me that I would continue doing exactly what God wants me to do. But I also see, you know, any number of ways that they can try to get you to fold and you start messing with the man's family. Maybe that's what happened.
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Top Lobster
How many times did Peter deny Christ and Christ is in front of him. So it's like, that's another one of those things where I'm looking at, I'm going, that's heavy.
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David
I try not to think about. I just try to keep moving and keep moving and. Yeah. And when it shows up, when. When that kind of thing shows up at my doorstep, I. I usually just ridicule it. And, you know, thank God for comedy, too. Thank God that he's made us funny, because that helps a lot.
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Top Lobster
The problem with what we're doing is that we're consistently over a target and we don't know what it is. And you brought up, what's his name?
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David
The telepathy tape.
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Top Lobster
No. Billy Carlson.
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David
Oh, Billy Carson.
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Top Lobster
We have a story with Billy Carson, too. Accidental story.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
But it's like. I think that's again, like, Holy Spirit. And just being over the target in general. Yeah. We're on Luke Rudkowski show, where in. In Luke's house at the time when he was still doing for Rumble or whatever. And we do the show. Great show. At the end of it, Luke goes,
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David
okay, by the way, the whole show is about aliens or rebranding of the Nephilim and the fallen angels. That's the whole show. This is two years ago.
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Lady Luck
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And at the end, he goes, we do a cool thing where you can ask a question for the next guest coming. And we're like, can we ask who it is? And he's like, yeah, it's Billy Carson. We're like, at the time, like, I
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David
don't even know who he was. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
So we go ask him why aliens flee. Aliens and demons flee in the name of Jesus. And he goes, okay. And he, like, writes it down. He doesn't know. You know, Luke is a political head.
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David
So that's a fun question to ask anybody, though. Like, I didn't know who Billy Carson was. I just want to give whoever's coming next, like, one of my more interesting topics was like, why does that happen?
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Top Lobster
You know, it just happens to be the guy.
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David
The guy. The guy. The. The emerald tabulate, you know.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yeah, man, he got emerald tablets hanging out his butt.
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David
Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
So he.
- [58:18]
David
He did some sort of word salad, you know, ninjutsu to get out of it or whatever, and. And kept it moving. But yet we ended up touching that guy with something. I mean, that probably disrupted the flow of his entire show, I would imagine. You know, like, these guys called Nephilim Death Squad were here before. They want you to answer why aliens flee at the name of Jesus Christ. And he's like, oh,
- [58:39]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
some guys that maybe you should be aware of. You know, on the Mountain of Influence, there's people who, like, they pay the price and they go through the persecution because Jesus said we would be persecuted for his namesake.
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David
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
And then there's. There's people who want the height of the Mountains of influence when you get to those peak top heights of the mountain. Like, Alex Jones is one of those. I remember Billy Carson went on Alex Jones's show about. It was maybe a year ago or two years ago. I remember watching him sitting there talking, and he's talking Nephilim and he's talking Anunnakis, he's talking emerald tablets. And I'm like, God, why Is this dude on the show? And he said. Because he about to get judged. And I said, oh, my God. He said, because Alex Jones is a Christian altar. 100 million people listening every day. And, you know, like, the month after he left that show, he had went to the hospital, got sick, almost died, and all the rest of this stuff. And so people don't understand this about the mountain of influence. Just so you guys know, there'll be people who come to you for you to hold a conversation with and then to. And the Lord will let them bring them there for you to contend with them. And then he. He uses that juxtaposition as judgment. So one person gonna go up, the other person's gonna go down. Yeah. So when you see that and you experience it, man, don't trip on it. It's just a lot of people coming to. To. To. To bold, righteous men to hear what has to be said, because nobody else can tell it to him. So nobody else could tell Timothy Albarino this because they're not bold enough to tell him because he's Timothy Alvareno.
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David
Nobody had James. Nobody had done that. Nobody had done that, especially not the way that we did it. It was.
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Top Lobster
We also have a very bad name in this crowd now of. I suppose you call it Christian Influencers.
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Spinquest Announcer
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Top Lobster
Podcast or whatever.
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David
A lot of them don't like us.
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Top Lobster
The message goes out, and the message is clear. They put out a little bat signal on us and. But it doesn't really matter because we're doing our thing and you're going to have to deal with us eventually down the line.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
At some. In some form or fashion.
- [60:29]
David
I don't like to. I don't like to be so. So oftentimes our audience knows so much about our thinking process and the way we frame things within the Bible that we'll have people come on. And I'm not gonna challenge you on every little thing you say, and especially if I feel like your walk is your own. You're figuring it out. And if I recognize if I'm gonna challenge you on this little thing, it's gonna derail the whole conversation. But we had a guy come on, and he was practically begging to get on, and. And he was getting, you know, recommended by personal friends of the show. And he's a Buddhist, and I'm going, I don't have any desire to talk to a Buddhist. But our friends kept saying to have him. I said, we go, okay, fine. And that was one of those, too, where I always pray that the Holy Spirit joins us on the show and that whatever we say. Because I don't really plan anything. I don't plan anything. I. I research whatever I feel an unction to research, but I'm not really doing anything. Sometimes we'll go on a show and we go, like, what are we gonna present? And I go, I don't want to present anything. I want. Whatever I move to talk about is what I'm gonna. I don't. I'm not gonna do that. But I prayed heavily on that because I don't want to mislead anybody and have them start moving towards Buddhism and misrepresent.
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Top Lobster
That's like. That's a tricky one, right?
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David
Yeah. Yeah. So. So I'm. I'm praying that particular day, you know, guide my words, reveal these things to me and. And. And put on my heart whatever it is I'm supposed to say in these moments. That guy, you know, he. He was fine. He was a nice guy, but. And he's trying to basically say Buddhism is the same thing as Christianity. And I let him do his thing. And then all of a sudden, I started hitting him because I'm like, well, what about salvation? What does it say about repentance? What does Buddhism have to do with sin? Like, all of these different things started coming out of me, and you could feel it wasn't. It wasn't like, it didn't tank the episode, but everybody was like, oh, no, we've stepped into a place now where even some of the friends of the show were there helping kind of help this guy along for whatever reason. I don't know, you know, that's. That's between them. But afterwards, they were like, that was incredible. And it wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was just like God was putting on these. It's just simple questions. What about repentance? What about our. Our sinful nature? What about salvation? Like, none of these things are addressed
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Top Lobster
sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
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David
None of these things are addressed Buddhism.
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Top Lobster
Interesting.
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David
They're like, oh, well, Buddhism likes Jesus too. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So does Islam. So do all these other things. What about these. These unbelievably important tenets of Christianity? What are we to do about our sinful nature? What are we to do about salvation? Like, nothing. There was nothing. There was no answer to that whatsoever. So I go, okay, so it's just like Christianity minus those incredibly important elements. And then I said, so why would anybody be Buddhists when they could just be Christian? And it was like, you could hear a pin drop and, and he had nothing to say. And I was like, I don't, I don't want to do that. But what I want more is to not mislead people. And I don't want to play around with the word of God. That's what I want above all things is if I'm going to pray, to be a servant, if I'm going to serve the kingdom of God, if God has a plan and I get to be a part of it and I get to do whatever God's will is, I, I don't want to play around with that. I don't want to mess around. We're very funny. We do the comedy thing. But like, when it comes to issues of salvation and like, I'm not, I'm not playing with that.
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Top Lobster
End up like Ananias and Sapphira. That's like some real stuff right there, man.
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David
I'm good on that. Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
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Top Lobster
Somebody just buried me in the coffee shop.
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David
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
No, I tell you it from my experience and I've been like in a public sky way longer than I started with YouTube. I was on radio for a long time before I came onto YouTube. From my experience, when it comes to those type of issues and dealing with the spiritual nature of things, you only have one choice if you are part of the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And that's to tell the truth and tell it boldly and then to hell with whatever comes next. I like, I did Alex's show where the battle act showed up a couple of weeks ago. There were helicopters flying around my house for three days. Like, I'm outside in the backyard doing my prayers and the helicopter flies. I'm like, okay, they got a helicopter, whatever. And it circles again. I'm like, okay. And it circles the third time and I walk out and I walk out to where I can see and I look up at the helicopter. You can see the guy looking down at me. And I said, oh, this is wild. So this is Brand new. So you okay? I started praying. I just stood there, put my hands up and started praying. I prayed for like five minutes. Then he circled one more time and he looked and he darted off. The next morning they came at like 5 o'. Clock. I went outside, I prayed. The next day they came. I just stood there and I just looked and I was like, okay, Lord, can we get this helicopter to crash right now? And it was almost like as I was praying, the guy looked down and tuned took off fast. And I was like, okay, so this is, it's the price that you pay, yes, on the mountain of influence. But God is there to defend you and to take care of you and look out for you. So it's just one of those things that we have to. And ladies and gentlemen, I've been saying this. Those of you watching this, this is. We talk about the information war, where it's talking about truth and, you know, what's going on in Ukraine, what's talking about what's going on in Russia. But then there's this other spiritual informational war that's going on at level beneath that, actually, it's a level above that that talks about the things that create the issues in this earth that we're dealing with. And that's where you should be interjecting yourself. Like if you got the ability to talk, you should be talking about it. You don't matter if you get five people to listen, you should turn on your camera and start talking about it. Because that's the next phase of the information wars, the spiritual information war. And that's what we're in, that's what we're fighting against right now, to try and wake people up and make sure people don't burn in hell. Yeah, that's what it's about, guys. That really is about that.
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David
That's huge. You know, you're talking, you're saying, talking about it, right? We've been given the ability to see, speak. And one of the friends of the show, Ed Mabry, who really helped me understand the Bible, when actually we got
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Top Lobster
his new book right here, he's, he's
- [66:58]
David
a author and, and he, he does almost strictly biblical content. And he's been a tremendous help for me in particular. I know both of us, but I wasn't always Christian. I was a conspiracy theorist for a long time. Didn't become a Christian, like I said, maybe till like 32, 33. And that was such a slow go. And, and he helped me so much. But one of the things he says is, you you speak a thing and it happens in the spiritual realm and then eventually it takes place on Earth. And this is what the New Age calls manifestation, which is real slippery, right? Because these Gnostic ideas, occult ideas, New Age ideas, they're operating on a lot of truth, but they're fundamentally incorrect about the nature of things. So it's we say like nine truths to sell you one lie. One lie.
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Top Lobster
And that's above, so below, or as in heaven, so on earth.
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David
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So. But that idea of speaking is huge. It's actually kind of relevant to what we're talking about before with the telepathy tapes. Everybody in the New age and everybody who's, you know, into the telepathy tapes or whatever, they think that telepathy is this like unbelievable gift. And I actually think it is, it is a step below, maybe significantly below speaking. Right. God uses the word to create all things. And, and through our research, it does seem that frequency and vibration are maybe there's more to understand about them than what science is, is currently allowing this idea that everything is made up of frequency and vibration and everything is mostly empty space and all this stuff, it gets tossed around and it sounds really woo woo. And of course a lot of these New age ideologies grab onto that and they'll use it for whatever narrative they want to propagate. But I do think that it's rooted in scripture. I mean, to use the Word and then for Jesus to be the Word made flesh. Like, I think the word like speaking is actually incredibly powerful.
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Top Lobster
Well, I mean, a quick example that goes biblically and also on the New Age side, New ages will use, I don't know, let's say a rife machine or some sort of frequency technology healing, which it possibly could work if it's dialed in correctly. But on the other side of it, biblically, Israel is using a shofar. They're walking around the walls of Jericho and blowing that for seven days. And the shofar, when you look at the, when you look at the construction of this instrument, it's not even calling an instrument. It has so many turns in it that when you blow air through it, the frequency coming in, it's creating levels of dissonance. And by the time it comes out, it has this wacky sound. You've heard it before, right? It's like, it is crazy. It's disruptive to the environment around it. What you're doing is disrupting at a frequency level, at an atomic level, with vibration and sound. And they did this seven times and they still do this, and the walls of Jericho crumble. Yeah, the enemy's walls crumble. So there's something to the fundamental structure of how we live and the atomic structure of things. This table, whatever it may be, and frequency and the effect that it can have on it, especially if you. You really believe that God created the Earth by just speaking into existence. That's frequency.
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David
I actually think one of the things that makes that more fast.
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Top Lobster
Vibration. I'm sorry, wait, wait, wait.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I gotta cut y' all off right here.
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Top Lobster
Go ahead.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I'm. Cut y' all off, and I'm gonna call on the frequency stuff. Okay, this is what I'm gonna call on the frequency stuff part of my language, ladies and gentlemen. Now, we know that there are frequencies. Don't get me me wrong. And we know that spirits travel on sound. So if you. If you recall, in the Book of Revelations, it talks about the horns that blow and the seals that are being open. And you notice that all throughout the Bible, spirits traveled on sounds. You, the mighty rushing wind. The Holy Spirit coming in is a sound. Spirits travel on sound. So it. It is what it is. When we start talking about people who manifest things, the Bible says, you shall decree a thing, and it shall be established unto you. So when you decree a thing, as a Christian, that thing is established unto you. So making a decree and declaration is, I decree and declare the name of Jesus Christ that the. The. The Nephilim podcast shall be successful. You pray that every day, every day, you're downloading a realm, something from the spirit realm into this realm by decree and declaring it.
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Lady Luck
Right.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
The problem with the frequency stuff is that these guys have taken this narrative because when you start talking about frequency, then you're going to get into people saying, well, you know, the chosen ones can use different frequencies. Then you go from frequency to the chosen ones. And when you get into the chosen ones, now you're starting to get into people who have pride in themselves. Like, I can do this.
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David
Yes, yes.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
The basic nature of dominion that God gave when the Bible said, let us make man in our image and let them have dominion, there's a natural state of dominion that you have in this earth. So the. The average individual who never accepted Jesus Christ, they're protected by that natural dominion from being made in God's image. Right? Then there's those who accept Jesus Christ and have been and been brought into the family of God. So now they have authority. So we got dominion. We got authority. And so when you're functioning in authority and dominion, you are powerful to do anything. So healing is commanded when you have the power. I mean, authority and the dominion going back to them. Walking around the. What was that?
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Top Lobster
The walls of Jericho?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yeah, the walls of Jericho before they walked around the walls of Jericho. You remember, he went out and he met an angel and he said, yeah, do you be for us or do you be for the enemy? The angel said, I ain't needed for neither one of y'.
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Lady Luck
All.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
I'm for the Lord. And he talked too much. And angel said, you're gonna be quiet for seven days and you gonna march. Everybody talks about the. The shofar blowing, but they don't understand that when they march, they march with angels. And that city was a cuboid. You know, if you got a cuboid, no matter what you do to a cuboid, when it falls, it's going to fall and still be a cuboid. So they marched for seven days, they blew the shofar, and the angels stomped the walls down to when the city fell down into the ground. And see, that's the problem. And unfortunately, not talking about you guys, but that's the problem that happens when people don't really go deep into their Bible study. You neglect the. The movements of angels. Like when we make a decree and declare declaration, it's angels that go out and make those things happen. Those are angels that are equipped. The Bible says, the Lord will give his angels charge over thee so that you don't dash your foot on a stone. And so you'll find these people talking about frequencies. They're talking about all these different things, but they are absent all the rest of the knowledge of the Bible. And so it becomes its own thing, and then they become prideful in that thing. Like, yeah, James, you don't know nothing about the Book of Enoch. Like, one of the things that's most interesting about the book Enoch, if you ever read it, was it talks about Cain and Abel. It talks about Abel being in the holding place where they hold people before they go to heaven. And it says that Abel was petitioning the throne of the Lord, making suit against his brother Cain in his bloodline day and night. Which lets you know that.
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Abel was filing a court case against his brother in the courts of heaven day and night. He was filing suit against his brother day and night in the courts of heaven. But you won't see that unless you actually read this stuff with the Holy Spirit. So we got a lot of people who just like, they're pulling things that just don't make no sense, man. It makes no sense at all. And it's absolutely crazy, guys. I mean, it's insane.
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Top Lobster
I agree with you. I'm not trying to attribute too much power to these things. I'm just trying to establish that there is something there.
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David
Yeah, well, there's something.
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Top Lobster
There's something to do with. With this idea. But I agree what you're saying. Absent of God, which is what they've done, the New age movement has taken this, the frequency aspect, the vibration aspect, and they've removed God from it. Now the power is upon themselves.
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Lady Luck
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Top Lobster
And this stuff does work.
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David
What did you say? They're like special. Special.
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Top Lobster
Special boys.
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David
Special boy. There's something.
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Top Lobster
There's levels of, like low level magic. And you're going to tell me that this stuff doesn't work. Witchcraft is real. They can do this stuff. But there are also levels of power that are above that when you talk about authority and dominion that we've been given. So, sure, these things do exist. And I feel like when we're talking to like New Age parishioners or people that are coming from there, if I tell them, like, yeah, yeah, that's all. No, like, no, no, no, for sure what you're doing over there is real, but it's not. It's not real power.
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David
You're. You're also misunderstanding the nature of it.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. And it also comes at an extreme
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David
cost, you know, so. So, James, a couple of things you said there that I want to touch on, but I do like that.
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Top Lobster
I do like the Walls of Jericho thing. I'm going to go have. I'm to go back and research that a little bit more.
- [76:07]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
So check it out. You'll see it.
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David
So James said that demons travel on sound, which I would. Yeah, that seems to come up over and over again. And then of course, the special boy thing, I think that relates directly to what I've kind of been researching lately. I found myself in a gate program. A lot of people are familiar with the gate program, Facebook group. And I entered it to kind of see like, what are these people Talking about what do they think, what do they make of their experiences, and, and, you know, the kind of the bigger picture of things. And I started to have this theory that, you know, the gate program was maybe a selection process for MK Ultra, which MK Ultra, as far as, like, demons being on sound and things like that, like, they're obsessed with frequency and disassociative states and individuals and, you know, they're really dealing with demonic possession and things of that nature. Trauma that allows iniquity to enter a bloodline. So I start to have this theory that I think if the gate program was a selection process, and it's. It's a big topic right now, you'll see this going viral on Tick Tock and it's kind of like exploded. If it was a selection process for MK Ultra, what are they selecting for? What are they looking for? So it seems pretty obvious that MK Ultra figures out as far as inducing a state of disassociation, whether it's by trauma or psychedelics or any of these things or a combination of them, some people are more receptive than others. So that's what the Gate program is looking for. Who are these more receptive than others? And I think they're looking for generational iniquity. I think that part of the process of, let's say, even the. The headphones that you put on that emit different waves or frequencies to see if you can perceive them. I have an idea, and this is just a, you know, kind of crappy idea on my behalf, but I think it starts to get some legs the more I look into it, that you said demons travel on sound.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Well, I said spirit. So it's all spirits. All spirits.
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David
All spirits. All spirits.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
But angels. Go ahead.
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David
Correct, Correct. So I think they've probably mapped it out. I think that certain spirits are on certain sound waves, certain frequencies, and I think they've mapped it out, and I think they have more interest in some than others. And I would imagine that the intelligence agencies have more interest in demonic ones than. Than angelic ones, and they can then isolate and show those to you. And if you can perceive it, I think that that might be a testable way to see if you have generational iniquity, if a spiritual entity has a legal access to your bloodline because of, you know, the iniquity that was caused when your ancestors dabbled in witchcraft or occultism or Freemasonry or, you name it, that that is a. A road that is legally developed between that bloodline and we know as Christians, that debt has already been paid. We can call upon the blood of Jesus Christ to break those bonds.
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Top Lobster
But you have to do that.
- [79:04]
David
But you have to do that. Right, so. But I think there is a perceivable way to identify whether or not that bond has been created between your bloodline and, and that is maybe as simple as can you hear this thing? Because if you can perceive this, where the vast majority of the public cannot perceive it, there's a high likelihood that that means this entity, but by whatever goofy name actually has access to you.
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Top Lobster
So in, in disclosure day. Sorry to cut you. Very interesting because they, again, another principle that they do nail is this one. One of the government agents is using, I don't know, some kind of like alien tech. It's like a crystal. Yeah, of course it's a crystal to astral project or remote view. But it's also a form of possession. Like he can be inside of the person, paralyze them and then like project himself across the room and have a conversation with them. It comes at a great toll to him.
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They mentioned that they can't do it to the two protagonists because they have been inflicted with a previous trauma. So it's a bit of an inversion to what you're saying. Yeah, but the principle is still there that like they can go out and reach you, but not if you've been touched in a certain way. And I think that the inversion would be if you're covered, if you're filled with the Holy Spirit, you can't be filled with anything else.
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David
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
So yeah, it's just funny that they understand that principle.
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David
They convert it, that's what they do. They invert it. That's what they do. So I, you know, I have this theory that I'm developing and I go, we've done this show for, it's almost three years now and I'm a big fan of shows like the Confessionals where Tony is, is having these people come on and they're, they're sharing their experiences and through that you get to see some patterns overlap between one person's paranormal testimony and another person's paranormal testimony. And to me, what becomes very clear listening to those experiences. And we do a fair bit of that on our own show as well. People will write in and they'll tell us their stories that I believe so much of it can be filed away under generational iniquity. These strange things are happening to you and have happened since childhood because there is something that has access to your bloodline. Almost always someone will say, well, actually, yeah, my grandfather was a freemason, or my. My grandmother was an occultist or something of that nature or a witch or what have you. So you also get a bunch of elements where my own stories are not dissimilar from other stories that you would hear on shows like that. Sleep paralysis, shadow people, ancestors who have dabbled in the occult, alien encounters, on and on and on. And I kind of develop like a framework. I found in this particular instance, 17 elements that were worth mentioning. And I go into this group and I say, let's play a game. These are all alleged gate program experiences. Now it's a Facebook group, so there's no way to vet and know whether or not these people are actually. But it's not very often that you get that kind of a group to kind of, you know, run a test on. Yeah, to run a test on. So I go at a point for every one of these that apply to you, and I go down this list. Alien abductions, UFO sightings. Ever see a cryptid? Sleep paralysis, demonic encounters, you know, grandma or ancestor was into the occult. You're a practitioner of Wiccan, New Age ideas, Gnostic ideologies. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Seventeen of these. And my theory is that most people that respond will have an overwhelming amount, not just like a quarter or a third. I'm saying half or more of these boxes checked off. James, it was insane. Number one, it resonated with all of them. They all loved this thing because it spoke to them. They've all had these experiences. And I think it's up to like 200 comments now. Over 200 people are all saying, I've experienced a majority, three quarters, if not all 17 of these elements. And it doesn't prove anything. But what it does is it starts to make me go, this generational iniquity thing might actually be what they're selecting for. Like this. This element might be what MK Ultra and all these other programs, adjacent programs, are fascinated with. Because throughout our research, it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that the intelligence Agencies, there are subsections of them that are dedicated to communicating with the spiritual realm, but they're not.
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Top Lobster
They're not.
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David
It's the same way. Disclosure. If these are spiritual entities, if everything can be chalked up into demonic and angelic, the government's not going to disclose angelic beings to us. They're not going to expose us to beings that are still in the grace of God, just like these programs.
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Top Lobster
I don't think they have the right to.
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David
They probably. Yeah, they don't have the right to. I would agree with that. That's. That's on God's time. You know, if there was going to be anything else that they could expose, it could be these demonic things and they could repackage them. But I think that these, these MK Ultra programs are not going to be interacting with entities that are still in the grace of God. They're going to be interacting with demonic entities. And so I think that that makes a lot of sense as far as the inequity thing. And I think it makes a lot of sense as to why they can perceive these frequencies, why they've got these headphones on, why that's part of the fundamental testing ground. One of the first things, I mean, we've all had. I remember the headphones. I don't think I went anywhere with it, but I remember the headphones in elementary school, I grew up in Elizabeth, New Jersey. They put the headphones on me.
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Top Lobster
Drink the drink, the pink drink.
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David
Can you hear this tone? Can you hear that tone? Can you hear that tone? And I think they've probably got them mapped out. And if you could hear these couple of tones, okay, there might be something there, there might be a line. We might have access. And they're doing it to children too. Right? So it's like before anything we have, we're born with a sinful nature. But I think that children who are really experiencing, you know, paralysis and the hat man and all these crazy phenomenon at a young age, these things have access to you from that young because of iniquity, because of something that is in your bloodline. And so that's another thing that by the time you're an adult, there are all kinds of transgressions that you could have partaken in that would make you accessible, legally accessible by the demonic realm. Right. But as a child, that really narrows it down. It's probably iniquity, which is why you're experiencing these things.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
No, that's a good point. I think it's a little bit more to that too. So the. The gifts of the Lord, he gives without. He doesn't repent of the gifts that he gives to people. Like me growing up in New Orleans, like, I. I tell people all the time, I have a very distinct advantage because New Orleans is a marine kingdom territory. So you. I was in high. In elementary school with kids that would see spirits and hear voices, but they thought the kid was crazy. And the issue I see is this. The kingdom of darkness. Satan can't really create anything because he's not a creator. What he does is he steals.
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David
Yep.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
He kills and he destroys. So what they do is they go out and they test people to see who God has given gifts to. So you got seers, you got heroes, you got people who. Who have the ability to transport themselves. And those are gifts that have been given by the Lord. You can go find the scriptures in the Bible where there are disciples that were in one place and then they transported themselves to another place. There's, I think it was Elijah. Eliza's Elijah. That was. That was. That knew what his. His. His servant was saying and was doing. He was like, was I not there with you? Even though the guy was 500 miles away. It's gifts from the Lord. And what they do is they find those people who have those gifts, and then they move them into programs, and then either they traumatize them in their programs, they buy them from their parents, and then they take that gift, and then they harness that gift for it. They test. They test everybody. I remember I was tested as a kid for stuff. But also then there's a test, like, if you've ever been a kid and you've been to church, I never forget. I was. I got saved at 12 years old. The day I got baptized at 12, I'm sitting in the back of the church, and this lady just walks up to me. And then another lady walk up and they both put their hands around. They're doing like. I'm sitting there, they're doing like this. And the lady says, boy, she said, I don't know what the Lord has for you, but the Lord has put a powerful anointing on you and on your life. And you can't run from this. And I never forget, she said, no matter what happens, you can't run from this because he gonna get you to do what he wants you to do. You understand? I'm like the. What this crazy old lady talking about. But at 12 years old now, mind you, I was recruited into a government space program. United States Space and Strategic Defense Command. When I was 19, early 19 years old, put into real underground programs to do missiles and whatever. I'm not going to talk about that because I'm not trying to get my head knocked off my shoulder. But the point I'm making to you is those are gifts that come from the Lord and then they harness those gifts and they may use the, the, you know, they may use the, the corruption of the person's soul by doing stuff to them to get them into, to get them to where they can infest them with demons. But all, all that comes from the Lord. All power comes from the Lord. That's for example, Daniel was talking about the lesser powers of people who practice witchcraft. The temple of a witch is nature because nature in itself has inherent power from the Lord. So the moon has power, the sun has power. All that's power that's been gifted to the moon, the sun, the waters, everything else. So their whole temple is nature. And so what happens is, is it effective? Yes, because that water has power because God gave it power. That moon has power because the Lord gave it power. The sun has power because the Lord gave the sun power. But then there's the power and authority of Jesus Christ. And so when someone who's been practicing witchcraft actually comes against someone who has the power and authority and dominion of Jesus in Christ, then there's this conflict and somebody has to learn a lesson. And typically it's the person who's practicing witchcraft depends on whose altar is the strongest, who prays the most honestly, who has the most sacrifice to their God. But it is what it is.
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Top Lobster
I think, can I ask at the
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
end of the day? Go ahead, go ahead, Daniel.
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Top Lobster
Because that reminded me, it's always been perplexing as to whether or not this person was telling the truth. But this lady, Kim Walker from Jesus culture, she's like a band back, like, I don't know, 10 years ago she had a story where she mentioned they're, they're doing worship in the front and I guess like a holy, holy spirit filled church. And it's like you could. You know, when you could feel it, like, he's like, oh, man, something here is like static. And she said somebody in the back was there. And the guy started, like, levitating. And the church. This church is. I think it might have been like a hillsong type church or one of these. And they're very open with what kind of worship they allow. Again, denominations get weird, but they're like, what we don't allow is levitation. So they went and they pulled the guy down. Like, you got to come down. They kicked him out. And I'm left to wonder about that because, like, you know. You know, the devil goes to church and is he. Are these people going there and feeding off of this? Because there is an energy that, like, you know, when the musicians are playing in there, ushering in the Holy Spirit and things are actually moving and you could see people, you. You can feel it. I'm a musician myself, so, like, when you're doing this thing, you're like, okay, there's something here. We're playing in a chord. There's like, there's something going on. I don't know what it is, and I'm directing it at God, but who knows what the piano player is doing? Who knows what anyone's heart is at?
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David
Is.
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Top Lobster
Is it possible that, like, because of the energy just in this room, there could be somebody there with a completely different intention, just soaking it up? Like, this guy's there doing whatever.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
It depends on who's leading that church. So, for example. So for example, when you. There's songs and I'll do it when we get off. When we get off this. I'll. I'll drum some angels in. There are songs that you can sing that'll drum angels into a room with you. Immediately they coming like, what's going on? Who we fighting?
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David
Right?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
And so you can drum angels into a room by singing certain songs. Here's what has to be understood. If the angels of the Lord are there in that room, the demonic entities or spirits that's trying to attach or do something, they got. They gonna flee. They gone, they're leaving. Now where the problem comes in is you. There are certain churches you can go into, and it's imposter worship to the Lord. And it's all about. It's a church full of witches. And you'll go there and you'll be like, because I've been in churches where it's like, yo, something strange in here. This. They singing to Jesus. They praising. But this is weird. Something's wrong. And then you see people looking drained and tired. I'm like, my Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is like, hey, James. Hey, son. This, this is not the place for you. And then you leave. But then you later on find out that that church was ran by a covenant witches. And so it's darkness cannot exist in the presence of light. So when real light is there, darkness, it's not like it's a battle. You the dark room, the room is dark. You turn on a light, darkness is gone. Right. So there's no battle between the two. And so you just have to discern what is there. If there's darkness there, then yeah, that's possible. People, but it's not going to be that. They're praising and worshiping and praising and worshiping. Now the other thing is hand can and you got to really talk to like some of the guys I've dealt with out of Africa. There's been times where people have been praying in Africa and they've been singing and praising to the Lord and people levitated, dude, just lift up out the chair and be up in there. Just, just sitting there. They're like, okay, what the hell? What's going on? But it's a spirit filled, holy spirit filled church. No different than somebody sitting there who has crutches or in a wheelchair and they just get up and start running. So there's a supernatural aspect of our kingdom and then there's supernatural aspect of the kingdom of darkness. And so there's times when supernatural things will happen in the kingdom of light. We're just so unused to them because we don't practice in that and we don't work in it because our faith is to be practiced on a daily basis. Whereas witches and warlocks, they practice their faith. So when something really, really weird happens, it's like, oh my God, that, that's out of bounds. But people don't practice their faith. That's why I love like my mentors out of Africa, because I can sit and talk with them and be like, hey, da da, da da da. This is this, that. No, no, James, go outside and tell a storm there's a tornado coming. Go outside and tell that tornado you're in covenant with Jesus Christ and it has no legal authority to come here. And if it contends with you, then read Hebrew 12 to it and explain them that you are on Mount Zion and you reside on Mount Zion. And I've done it. Tornado coming. Walk outside. Hey, excuse me, Mr. Tornado, I know you're going where you got to go, but you can't come over here when you got to go the other way. Go around, go around the whole area where I live in. But those things are things that we have to learn by practicing our faith. When a Christian talks about that, that Christian is said to be a witch or a sorcerer. When a witch or a sorcerer talks about it, people like, oh, my God, you know, he's so powerful. He did it. He controlled the rent in the rain. So it's, it's a deeper level of walking as a son of God that the Lord is trying to take everybody to. He's trying to get us to where we just. Beyond just sitting in a pew.
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David
Yeah.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
And talking to where you actually exercise your dominion over the earth. You guys should interview Dr. Francis Miles. That's my big homie. You should check him out.
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Top Lobster
Francis Miles, we want. Thank you for that, man. Because that's a story that I heard for a long time, and it always sat strange with me. They didn't know exactly where to put, especially like the, like.
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David
Yeah, right.
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Top Lobster
So you're okay with people falling out and all this stuff, but levitation is where you draw the line. I'm just like, okay, I don't know. But I, I, this makes a lot more sense. And also, I think that church might have folded. That's one of those that, like, you know, mega churches that kind of go sign around anymore if they are there. I mean, or at least they're disgraced.
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David
I do.
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Top Lobster
Never happened.
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David
You know, a lot of people that I've, I've met, the, the, the status or the, the condition of the modern church is such that people will have a remarkable experience and, or maybe let's say, gleam. The power that is perceivable in, in witchcraft or something like that. And there seems to be no foothold in Christianity for that, no frame of reference in Christianity for that. Much of what we've done in, in the west to Christianity is reduce it.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Yep.
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David
To the, to the extent that it's almost laughable. It's. When people look at the state of the modern church and they, they criticize it. I mean, it is obviously worth explaining to them. A criticism of the church is not a criticism of the power of God. That's. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. And in very many ways, you know, the, the, Some of the churches do deserve ridicule, but people will go over.
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Top Lobster
Let me ask you.
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David
And they'll have. Well, let me finish this up real quick.
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Top Lobster
No, no, this is important.
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David
Go ahead.
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Top Lobster
Do you Think. Do you think that certain songs. So you said certain songs bring in an angel. Do you think certain songs bring in demons? Well, can they be. Can they be, like. Even though, like, strip scripturally sound even like. Like you dissect it at the musical level and you go, okay, musically, this makes sense. And it's harmonic and matches. It's. It's similar to other ones. You think that they could still be, like, I don't know, sigilized or for a lack of better terms, like, and then sung in other churches and spread or spread that same spirit or, like. Do you understand the question what I'm saying?
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
So what you're saying is if from a Christian perspective, could someone create a song that sounds like a Christian song, but be inspired from a different spirit that carries a spirit into the church?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, right, Right.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Because. Because any the. Think about it like this. The. Every song is downloaded from a different realm. The take rap music, for example, right? My wife and I were watching a video the other. Other day, and it was the song Supersonic. And I was like, babe, look at this song. This rap video Supersonic. And the girls had on biker tights, but they had clothes and it was covered up. She was like, yeah, that's before we got into the gangster rap and all the foolishness. Then I click one of the gangster rap videos. As soon as the music hit, boom. I felt the spirit on the music. It was a spirit of murder. And I said, oh, that's wild, okay. And I turned it off because I don't want it in my house. So, yes, music can be packaged with a sound that transmits a spirit and carries a spirit. When it comes to Christian music, some of the most. Like, there's a guy named Nathaniel Basie. If you want to listen to somebody, just go check out Nathaniel Basie. What Nathaniel Basie does is Nathaniel Basie literally opens a portal to heaven when he sings, when he plays, and he worships. And that's how you know how powerful music is. So could it happen in the Christian church? Yes, absolutely. It could happen in a church. Could somebody disguise it and.
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Top Lobster
And.
- [98:18]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
And download a song from the kingdom of darkness and. And then disguise it and put it in? Yeah, absolutely. It can absolutely happen. I told people before I was 100 certain that the COVID vaccine, the concept and idea of COVID vaccines was downloaded from the spirit realm as a hellish disease to kill people. And then later, when people pass and started talking about it, it was like, yeah, that thing came straight from hell.
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David
Yeah.
- [98:40]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
And everything associated with it came Straight from hell. So we got to understand that there's this realm that everything exists in that people are pulling things out of.
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David
Yes.
- [98:50]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
For themselves all the time.
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Spinquest Announcer
Yeah.
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David
One of our. Our favorite examples of that is Carlos Santana, right? And he goes in. His Time magazine interview might have been another one, but I'm pretty sure it was Time. And they're asking him, like, where he gets his inspiration from. And I don't know if the interviewer expected him to say, like, oh, well, you know, it comes from my roots or my family or the culture I grew up in. He goes, I get my music from Metatron. And the interviewer just kind of, like, goes, wow, that's fascinating. And just keeps it going. But there's no shortage of that all over the music industry. Anybody who's being honest. And it's not just the music industry. Right. It happens in technology as well. People will say, this idea came to me in a dream, or I downloaded it. There was an individual.
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Top Lobster
There's a movie as well, of course.
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David
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
A little bit of our story was we were. As we were doing this event, we were about to open up a studio, a podcast studio above a coffee shop in the town that ended up kind of. They didn't kick us out, but, you know, the theater did. So we left, and we're like, yeah, this is a great idea. All falls apart. And maybe four months later, I walk into the coffee shop that I'm in now. I'm. I walk and get a coffee. And the thing, too is like, this is right in this coffee shop, is right behind a Dunkin Donuts.
- [100:04]
David
You would never know.
- [100:04]
Top Lobster
It's the worst place in the world for. But it stays open. He does. Well, yeah. And I had my Nephilim desk watch. What do you know about the Nephilim? You know? And we start chatting it up. A month later, he's like, open up a podcast studio here.
- [100:17]
David
He's got a Christian library in the back.
- [100:19]
Top Lobster
A Christian library in the back. I had no idea. And it's like, it's. Yeah, it's like, I guess a download of God saying like, yeah, yeah, podcast studio, yes. And then coffee shop. And we go, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Let's do that.
- [100:30]
David
And we try to force it. We try to force it to happen, and we're just butting up against something, and then you kind of throw your hands up and you go, all right, well, that didn't work out, but whatever God wants next. And then it just, like, it happens.
- [100:40]
Top Lobster
No, no. Podcast studio in a coffee shop.
- [100:42]
David
It's so much better when God does things too, because the, in some ways the amount of effort, like look, I'm not gonna get it wrong. I mean there's, there's labor involved, right? We, we painted and decorated and, and put up wallpaper and did all this stuff in here and there's like real labor. Like it is work, but it happens without resistance. Without resistance. It's, it's almost like you couldn't slow this thing down if you wanted to. The momentum of getting everything done. We made a studio in three days and, and then, and then what it does is, it's, it's remarkable. Since we're in this Christian library and it's a coffee shop, people are coming through here all the time. We're having conversations. This isn't unlike anything because I wasn't raised Christian and I, I wasn't in the church, but my life is such right now that all I do. Like the people that I talk to in real life, it's all about the, the truth, the nature of reality, the nature of God, you know, like, like that's the conversations that we're having on a regular basis here with people we don't even know, with complete strangers in many cases. And I couldn't have planned this. He couldn't have planned this. There's no way. But we had some unction, some idea of like. Yeah, this, like this studio in a coffee shop and. But in that town it would have been like liberal and it wouldn't have really worked out. I'm sure we would have worked, but it wouldn't have worked. Yeah, it would have been contentious. But here it's like if it was
- [102:09]
Top Lobster
left up to us, we would have tried to make it work until it
- [102:11]
David
just, you know, because we are, we are hard headed. Yeah. So we would have like kept pushing in this direction. But when God wants you to do a thing like it's not without its work, it does require labor, but it opens up and you just are, are almost like in a river and the river is taking you in this direction and, and sure, like you've got a paddle and you've gotta, you know, get the, whatever the raft together and do these things. But like the river is taking you and it's so much better when God, when God has his hands on a thing like. Yeah. He does things that, that we can't do that. That's.
- [102:47]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
You guys so massive, it's ridiculous. You guys gonna be massive. Has anybody ever got. Ladies and gentlemen, we. This interview is going long, but now we Just talking. So I'm just gonna let all the talk and just stay, guys, I'm gonna tell y' all a story. Just share something personal. There was a time period where I came through the spirit. This. This time of spiritual warfare. Very intense spiritual warfare. And I'm sitting outside smoking a cigar, talking to the Lord. And he says, hey, James. I was like, yes, my Lord. He says, will you build altars for me? I was like, sure, I'll build an altar for you, but what is an altar? He says, I'm going to take you on a journey. So, okay. He said, get in your car. So, okay. So I get my car. I'm driving up Veterans Boulevard in metering. He says, go get your car clean because your car is dirty. Okay? So I just go to the car wash, and at the car wash, you got to get out the car, and they clean your car. So I get and go inside the car wash. And I said, as soon as I walk in the door, I'm like, man, it feels real good in here. He says, yes, look around and tell me what you see. So I'm walking around, I'm looking around, and I see there's this whole wall where they have scriptures on the wall. There's crosses, there's little Bibles that you can take. And he says, this is what an altar looks like in business. He said, this is a place where my spirit can interact with people when they're getting their car washed. And I'm sitting there like, this is crazy. No, no, sit down. So I'm sitting out waiting on my car to get washed, and this lady walks up to the counter. You could tell. She's like. You can tell she's burdened. She walks up, and the young lady behind the counter says, hey, ma', am. How you doing? How you feeling? But she's just chipper and cheer. Lady's like, well, I've been having a bad day. You know, my son is doing this, this, this. And I'm like, okay, what's about to happen here? And a little girl just touches her hand and says, it's going to be all right. We're going to get your car clean. You're going to have a much better day because God loves you. The lady instantly kind of like, moves her shoulders and then straightens up and smiles. I said, I'm sitting there, bro. And I'm trying not to scream. I'm like, lord, this is crazy. You trying to tell me. He says, yeah, there are altars that are built unto me and their businesses that are Altars of Satan. So my car gets washed, right? I'm like, this is exciting. I'm going to do this. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you make the agreement, we need to go. So he said, go get your oil change. I'm like, well, Lord, I ain't got no money to get my oil change. I just spent all my money on this car wash. I'm driving, bring money comes into my account. I go to the oil change place, going to oil change places. This girl with this bull ring in her nose, she got tattoos all on the neck. I'm talking about, like a septum ring. And.
- [105:11]
David
Yep, yep.
- [105:11]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
And I'm in the. And I'm in it. And it's just. The shop is just dead. It feels void. There's no spirit in there. And I said, okay, what is this? He said, this is a business that has no spirit in it.
- [105:24]
David
Yep.
- [105:25]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
He's like, this is just a business. I said, okay, so get moral change. I'm like, all right, I'm about to go back home. I said, no, you ain't going home. He said, all right, I want you to go to the mall. I'm like, lord, I don't go in malls because you know crazy. He said, no, I want you to go to mall. So he said, go in the mall. So I go into the mall. I'm like, well, I'll go to get me a little cigar from the mall, because they got a real nice cigar shop. So I'm on my way. No, you're not getting a cigar. Go in this store. And it's one of those skateboarder stores where they sell kind of like skateboardy grunge stuff. So as soon as I walk in the door, boom. It's like, I hit a wall. I'm like, what is this? He said, this is an altar to Satan. Do you feel it? And I'm like, I don't want to go in there. He said, no, go in. You're gonna be fine. So I walk all the way in. I'm walking around, and you can. It's like something's pressing on my shoulders. And I'm like, this is crazy. He said, do you understand what altars are? I'm like, oh, I understand. He said, build them for me. And so I'm thinking, okay, you know, I'm gonna build altars. Like, I'm gonna go start a hotel and. And me and him hash out this deal. We talking. He said, I want you to know this is a long process because you got to understand them. And so I'm still going through the process of building altars. But you build people as altars first. Then he lets you build physical altars. What you guys have done is now you've went into business inside an altar to the Lord. And so now you're engaging with people inside of that altar, which means that the level of spiritual protection that's there is even stronger because the business owner serves the Lord.
- [106:43]
David
Yes.
- [106:43]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
Now you're. It's double businesses serving the Lord inside.
- [106:46]
Top Lobster
Hold on, hold on.
- [106:49]
David
Are you going where?
- [106:50]
Top Lobster
I think we're probably not, but.
- [106:51]
David
Damn.
- [106:53]
Top Lobster
The guy that emceed Bohemian Grove, Shane Cashman, he was a writer for Tim Cass. He's like. He wrote a great piece on Kanye and a bunch of other people. But we. We invited him to come down in MC and we put him at a hotel about two miles down the road. And this is before we were ever here.
- [107:10]
David
We didn't even know this place existed.
- [107:12]
Top Lobster
No, because we were trying to do stuff in. In the other town, and then we ended up in another venue, and he was writing out his. His set and, like, what he was going to do and say and how he's going to present the stuff. And he came here to this shop, the Standard Coffee Shop in Lady Lake. And he was sitting at the black table, the big black table in the front there. He was there all day writing. And the bizarre part is the hotel we put him in overlooked the town square that has a coffee shop in it. And he walked past that another mile, past two more coffee shops, and then another mile past that, got to the Dunkin Donuts and then went behind it to this place. Walk right to it.
- [107:52]
Spinquest Announcer
Yeah.
- [107:52]
Top Lobster
Sat in here for hours, did what he had to do, came and then he lit. He lit it up. I mean, he was tremendous.
- [107:56]
David
He was fantastic. By the way, Shane Cashman is a guy who, you know, one of his big moments recently was being on a show with a guy who was an occultist and a numero numerologist. And. And it's a big show he was on Tim Cast with Tim Pool and Shane Cashman. All he did for that whole episode was answer in scripture. He only read scripture on that show. He didn't say anything else. That wasn't the word of God you
- [108:20]
Top Lobster
want to talk about. Like, it was an incredible moment station on this guy.
- [108:23]
David
Oh, that guy was uncomfortable, man. He was. He was not. All right. But the reason Shane did that is because in the green room leading up to the show, the guy was kind of dunking on Christians and saying, like, Oh, I hope you guys don't have any Christians here. And, you know, Shane Cashman overhears that and then gets on the show, only. Only responds in scripture. Really fantastic. But, you know, you were saying what this place is built on and. And who we went into business with. James. It's actually incredible because, you know, we were making allusions to the idea that that last event, we. We lost some. Some friendships and some. And the one guy we were going into business with, we were going to go into business with. It was going to be like a 1/3 contractual split, you know, live events and all this other stuff. And it falls apart magnificently to the point where you couldn't even salvage it. No matter how humble you tried to be and apologetic or any of these things, there was no way to salvage this thing. And listeners of the show, one guy in particular, shout out to Scott if he's listening. He showed me in Corinthians where it talks about not being yoked with unbelievers. And I said, wow, I was about to. You talk about being yoked. That's a contractual relationship with an individual. I'm getting a little bit. I'm trying. And. And so I go, wow, man. Like, it feels like God removed this thing where it wasn't going to work out.
- [109:43]
Top Lobster
I wasn't going to remove it. And the signs were all there. I knew for years, but we're just dummies and I. I've got really good discernment.
- [109:50]
David
Yeah.
- [109:51]
Top Lobster
But this guy, I like him, you know, he's a good guy. It's just that the signs were there, the flags were there, but it was my unwillingness to be like, I don't know, you know, I don't know if you've ever had that in your life.
- [110:04]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
Oh, yes.
- [110:07]
Top Lobster
Well, me too.
- [110:08]
David
Yeah. I mean, we paid a price during that time. I have had no luck lately.
- [110:14]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
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- [110:41]
David
I think if there's a gift that God has given me, it's. It's dreams. I get things in dreams that are really crazy and. And you know, this falling apart was so adversarial and it was so Volatile and venomous. And, you know, because one party is saying things that are untrue and they're saying them in a public platform, and then you have this desire to set the. The record straight. And I had this dream that I was on a. On a ship on chaotic waters. It's like a storm. And. And. And there was. In the dream, I thought he was a vampire, an ancient vampire, but I realized later on this was the adversary, this was Satan, and he was this kind of sleek looking older man, and he was dressed well. And there were people who were sharing in this vampirism. I think maybe that's why the dream did vampire, because they're sharing in the spirit with him. And there's like a floozy kind of woman, and there's like, you know, that's just the one that really stuck out to me. I can't remember the other characters. I just knew that they were sharing in this spirit, and some of them are tumbling overboard into the chaotic waters. And, And. And I know about this ancient vampire, that this is where he's going to.
- [111:51]
Lady Luck
And.
- [111:51]
David
And I also am aware that he's kind of almost remorseful, that he knows that he is bringing people with him into. Into that abyss, but he's doing it anyway. And he's also upset that I won't share in that spirit with him. And. And that's it. You know, it's a really straightforward dream. It's. It's choppy, crazy waters. The ocean looks black, the sky is black, There's a storm. These people are tumbling overboard. But I'm not doing that. I'm not sharing in this spirit with him. And I realize, like, I have an opportunity to share in a spirit. And it is. It feels like vindication. It feels like, no, no, I'm correct. You're spreading false information. And I can get whipped up in this spirit of resentment and anger and, And. And. And rage and all these things. I choose not to. And instead I. I apologize. I try to reconcile. It doesn't work out. But, man, after that, all falls apart. I mean, we. We do go into business.
- [112:52]
Top Lobster
The.
- [112:52]
David
The guy who owns this shop, his name is Matt Hepner. He does a show that I guess is on our network. It's called Straight Bible. I don't think you could actually see it. Straight Bible is right over here. And it's just. It's all scripture. It's all scripture. And he's been a. Another tremendous help in my walk.
- [113:10]
Top Lobster
Yeah, that show, that show. Show with the guy that left and we had Another comedy show. And it was like, these were things that I really enjoyed doing, and it was, like, stripped away from me in a day.
- [113:20]
David
Yeah.
- [113:21]
Top Lobster
Gone. It was crazy. Like, we even did an episode, and then, like, right after that was. It was.
- [113:25]
David
It was insane the way it fell apart, but it was.
- [113:28]
Top Lobster
It was kind of, like, restored to me in a way, because now Matt Hepner, the guy, he's. He's also a great order, and he's a great, fantastic. He's, like, sharp. As sharp as Attack on the Bible. And he has a spirit. Like, he has a real heart for. For bringing this, and he's good at it. And I said, you know, we'll develop. Let's develop a show. I mean, if you want to do it, you're. You're just a coffee guy, but you want to try.
- [113:49]
David
He's bringing the gospel. You get a coffee, and he's bringing you the word of God while you're getting a coffee. You know what I mean?
- [113:54]
Top Lobster
Like, we get to do this thing now. The show is called Straight Bible. So another plug. Straight Bible. Go check that out. Because that's, like. That's something that I'm building that, like, I think is, like, that's. It's so important. It's so important. I get to sit in. I sit on it, and I get to, like, put my talents of, like, I'm a graphic designer, and I like to. I like to put things together. So I get to produce this show and also participate, like, when. When I'm needed. But he's leading the study.
- [114:19]
David
We also get to present it to. Yeah, we've accumulated these people who. Who love what we do and who believe in us, and they. And they've been around since the beginning, and I've been struggling because I've not been raised Christian, and I'm. My walk is new, and I'm still trying to understand Scripture and. And. And how do I provide this for these people? I can only do whatever's true to me.
- [114:39]
Top Lobster
Have a specific skill set.
- [114:40]
David
A very specific skill set.
- [114:41]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [114:42]
David
But now because of that, because of his addition to this, because of. Of being yoked with him, not only do we have the physical thing that is this studio in this unbelievable place that God has facilitated, but now we get to bring this not just for ourselves, but to all these people who have supported us and been here since the beginning. I mean, the. The communities come together, and they're doing weekly Bible studies independent of us. We have nothing to do with it. The fan base is getting together and doing Bible Studies on their own. And it's like, it's. It's injected scripture straight into the heart of everything that we're doing. And God first removed this thing that, like, it hurt, James. It hurt like hell to have that happen in the way that it did. And only a few months later, God did this. And I got it. You know what I mean? Like, I think if there are times where I listen well, and it was like, okay, don't be yoked with unbelievers. You know, what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? Okay, okay. And also, don't share in this spirit of anger and vengeance. Vengeance isn't mine. Like, that's got nothing to do with me. Forgive and move on. And I think, like, I don't know if we talked about this earlier, right? But yeah, you forgive and now it allows for this thing to happen, you know? So for me, it was like I had. I had my moments where I think God was. Was talking to me.
- [116:06]
Top Lobster
Dave was actually very good on this. I missed it the first time. And God's great, graceful. So he gave me. This is the second go around. And I'm like, okay, yeah, I got it. I got this time. Like, now I understand I'm stupid. This is how I learned, though. Like, I got. I got to do the mistake. David, you got it right. The first time we had an argument
- [116:22]
David
about it, it was crazy. I was. I was getting, right, this notion to go and talk to this guy. He still lived in the area, and I was going to go talk to him, and it was like something that just kept. It was just an intrusive thought. And some intrusive thoughts are bad, right? Like somebody cuts you off in traffic, you have a bunch of intrusive thoughts. This one was, go and talk to him. Get a gift, Bring a gift. Go to his door. He doesn't live that far. He moved since then. But, like, go and do this. And I was. I was so indecisive about it. And then one day, I'm sitting at a. At a red light with my wife, and I'm going, I gotta go talk to this guy. And she's like, what? And I go, I don't know how to explain it to you, but this just, like, keeps getting put on my heart, my mind to go talk to this guy. As I'm saying this, he pulls up at the opposing light, and I see him, and I go, this is unbelievable. And instead of listening, and this is my fault, too, I sought counsel. I sought counsel in. In top. I Sought counsel in. In the pastor. And. And I knew it. I knew. I knew what this was. I knew what I should have done. And then because of that, I. I think I suffered some spiritual attacks because of disobedience. And I don't know if that was at the hand of God or if it was because of that disobedience. You open yourself up. You. There is now this drop of iniquity, and I had to repent for that in order to get it to stop. My life has been. In some ways, I'm kind of blessed. When my iniquity comes about, it is spooky as hell, so it's very easy to see. And I knew something was happening that came out of nowhere and was kind of getting worse. And I repented. I went through a deliverance session. It stopped on a dime. It was all very, very, very, very obvious to me. But, you know, eventually I reached out. I did a sheepish kind of thing where I reached out on the phone and, you know, that was never reciprocated. So I think I missed an opportunity there. But, yeah, I mean, this has been instrumental. That moment that we're talking about losing that friendship and then losing that business and then starting up here and getting yoked with Matt and all of these things have been, when you zoom out, very, very clear, God has his hands on this. And I would say that the only time it runs into a hiccup is when we're hard headed and disobedient.
- [118:43]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
Now that's for everybody, bro. That. That's for me. It's. It's a thousand times worse than that for me. He'll say, hey, James, do this if I don't. Even when he says do it, I just be like, okay. It has to make no sense. It could be because the opposite is you don't do it. You know, you getting ramsacked. Like, I know I done punched Satan in the throat, I done poked him in his eyes. I'm like, nah, whatever you. You say do, let me just do it, because I don't want to leave, give Satan no legal ground to touch me. Yeah, family, anything like that. And so. But that's how we learn. And he knows that's how we learn. He learned. We learned by being hard headed. He knows that we're hard headed and we're prideful and. And that's how it works. All right, guys, we've been going for two hours, man. I gotta tell you. Whoa. I'm just gonna keep it real. I do a lot of interviews and I don't really enjoy. I stopped doing. I did hundreds of interviews over my time. I stopped doing interviews. I didn't enjoy talking to people. I really enjoyed hanging out with.
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David
This is a pleasure, James. This is a pleasure.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Awesome time hanging out, man. Now let's do the Shameless plug where you talk about everything all at once.
- [119:39]
David
I think we only did it four times, so we have 11 more times.
- [119:42]
James Williams (Dark Waters)
We have to say, bear with us like five times.
- [119:44]
David
Nephilim Death Squad. Nephilim Death Squad, guys. So, so our show is, is everywhere except Rumble. But you can find us on all the audio platforms and, and YouTube and ETC. We have a, a, a great Patreon group where we record like seven days, seven episodes, sometimes a week. And our Patreon gets them all live. You know, we, we release them later on because you don't want to release everything. You'd be just every single day you'd be putting something up. So Patreon gets it all live. They get, you know, ad free listening experiences because sometimes the RSS feed will put the ads on. We, we have all of our merch and, and tickets to Bohemian Grove, that event that we're talking about on Top Lobster. That's with the a@theend.com. you'll find all of our, our shirts and you'll also find the link for Bohemian Grove. Next one is coming up in August 8th. So we're real close in Florida. If anybody's out in Florida, you know, come and see us. It's going to be a bunch of different people. I mean, the list is almost too long to name, but it's a bunch of big podcasts and we have Owen Benjamin coming out, which was supposed to be a surprise. Not surprise anymore. And by the way, we said it earlier, we are in the Standard Coffee Shop in Lady Lake, Florida and our studio is very public. If any of your listeners are in Florida and want to drop by and hang out and chat or you know, get access to the Christian library that's in the back or just be a part of this community. We encourage you come by, come say hi. You know, it's always an interesting experience when people do, but we're not afraid of that. Lady Lake Standard Coffee Shop in Florida,
- [121:18]
Top Lobster
right behind the Dunkin Donuts. And yeah, if you guys are interested too, check out Straight Bible. That's something that we've been working on really hard. It's grown exponentially in just a short time that it's been like moving. And I think it actually, like, it provides a really good resource.
- [121:30]
David
It does It. It provides one for me, you know, in the. In the times where I. We had one here. We had.
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Top Lobster
The.
- [121:35]
David
The whole coffee shop was packed out. There was like, 100 people here, and
- [121:39]
Top Lobster
we did a live.
- [121:40]
David
A live Bible study, and it was incredible. It was incredible. It was. It was all about, you know, the. The fool and the wise man. The fool building is his thing, and the wise man building his podcast studio in Leesburg.
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Top Lobster
The wise man building it in the coff.
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David
Happened on a foundation of Jesus Christ. Yeah. So, you know, that was a really cool episode. But, yeah, guys, please come by and see us, listen to the show. Let us know what you think and. And come be a part of the community.
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Top Lobster
Thank you, James.
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David
Thank you, James. It was a pleasure, man.
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James Williams (Dark Waters)
Listen, guys, I'm doing. You know, I don't really give endorsements of stuff that you should listen to. I'm telling you, based on this conversation, man, you should go take a listen and subscribe and follow these guys. There's a lot of people come on, and they talk about Jesus, and they act like they use Jesus kind of as a. A net to catch people. The name of Jesus is a net to catch people. And then they dump them in this filthy pond, and it's like you get, oh, this guy's believing Jesus. Then they dump you in the pond of nephilims, or they dump you in the pond of UFOs, or they dump you in the pond of demons. This is not what's going on right here, ladies and gentlemen. So I'm gonna ask that you go ahead and show them some support, show them some love, and head on over and subscribe and then follow their podcast. And I'm telling you, every time I've ever said this about people, it happened. Remember I told you guys about Tony Merkel 10 years ago, when Tony Merkel came, I said, tony's gonna blow up and be a big podcast. Tony blew up to be a very big podcast. Emma was one of his earliest guests on his shows. He was like, man, you know, every time I've ever said this, it's come to pass because there's certain anointings that the Lord put on people, and you can see them. So get involved. Get on board now, early while you can, so you can be an OG with them when they get to where they're going. You don't want to be the people that come on later on and ride the train late. All right, ladies and gentlemen, one only. James Williams, Dark Waters, and I'm out of here. Thank you.
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