Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: Necronetics Part 2 w/ Nathaniel Gillis

Date: March 11, 2026
Hosts: David L Corbo (TopLobsta), TopLobta
Guest: Nathaniel Gillis
Podcast Theme: Christian comedy and conspiracy, engaging supernatural, biblical, and occult topics with humor and deep research.

Episode Overview

This second part of the “Necronetics” discussion with demonologist and independent researcher Nathaniel Gillis explores the interfaces between biblical spiritual warfare, occult phenomena, and the modern UFO/abduction phenomenon. Gillis presents his research into “Necronetics”—a field he describes as focused on the self-replication of an occult species through mechanisms analogous to “possession as pregnancy.” Throughout, the hosts and guest weave in dark humor and cultural critiques, challenging mainstream and new age interpretations of UFOs, and emphasizing the deeper, often hidden, spiritual and occult dimensions masked by technological and governmental narratives.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Necronetics and Phenomenon Manipulation

• Nathaniel's Work (02:55):
  • Nathaniel compiles his interviews/lectures at parasymposia.com, focusing on “necronetics”—the idea that occult entities reproduce via possession, which he equates to pregnancy for them.
  • Quote: “Possession to us is pregnancy to them. That's why people confuse demons and bodies and demons and spirits.” – Nathaniel Gillis (03:15)
• Testimony and Deception:
  • Experiences with the phenomenon are often shaped in trance or hypnotic states where perception and memory are manipulated.
  • Case Study: A woman at a barbecue recalls using binoculars and a telescope to view a UFO, later realizing she owned neither. (04:56–06:00)

2. Observer Effect and the Manipulation of Perception

• Co-Creation of Experience (16:29):
  • Discussion centers on the “observer effect”—the phenomenon (demonic/spiritual/intelligent) shapes what is perceived, suggesting witnesses are co-creators in these events.
  • Quote: “The phenomenon will seek to be seen. And then once you observe it for a certain amount of time … you make that conscious connection.” – Nathaniel (16:52)
• Orbs, Apparitions, and Fluid Manifestations (12:43):
  • Sightings of orbs which then morph into apparitions, or vice versa, as documented in parapsychology and ghost hunting. These manifestations are not limited to hauntings but are also central in UFO phenomena.
  • Physical Properties: Reports of orbs refracting laser beams and passing through walls, and orbs coinciding with EVP recordings and physical disturbances.

3. Frequency, Technology, and Ritual

• Frequency-Based Contact (13:54):
  • Binaural beats, meditation, and alternate states of consciousness can provoke experiences with entities, echoing methods from MKUltra and other mind control experiments. “It’s almost like the brain is an antenna, tuning to a different frequency.” – David (13:54)
• Technological Channeling:
  • References to Crowley’s and other occultists' prophecies that future generations would contact these entities through technology, not just ritual or drug-use (44:05).

4. Function Over Form: Narrative and Government Manipulation

• Redefinition of Terms (23:12):
  • The continuous rebranding of UFOs, aliens, UAPs, and NHIs (Non-Human Intelligences/Biologics) serves to obscure their true, deeper nature.
  • “The function of a thing is more important than the form.” – David (23:12)
• Occult Underpinnings & Disinformation (40:00):
  • Occultists have prophesied this technological/alien narrative shift. There is a deliberate effort within government and influential agencies to mask the occult nature—repackaging ritual-derived phenomena as technological or extraterrestrial for the public.

5. Consent, Consent Pathology, and the Role of Belief

• Permission and Generational Access (31:55):
  • Consent functions as a metaphysical ‘permission slip’—entities gain access via generational iniquity, family involvement in the occult, or personal belief and focus.
  • “Consent is belief. And 90% of the time, it's belief in the image.” – Nathaniel (33:01)
• Case Study: Abductees report entities manifesting as familiar or beloved figures, exploiting both psychological and spiritual vulnerabilities.

6. Energy Harvesting ("Loosh") and Victimology

• Energetic Feeding (26:17):
  • Entities feed on emotional states, particularly fear, and use ‘dreamlike’ induced experiences as energy harvests—sometimes not for the direct experiencer, but for more significant targets “up the chain.”
  • Quote: “It will induce you into a fear like state, steal all that energy, and then go use that towards its real victim.” – Nathaniel (29:02–30:55)

7. Sigils, Rituals, and Crop Circles

• Sigilization as Evidence (45:01, 54:15):
  • Experiences with physical sigils etched or appearing on abductees’ bodies tie alien/UFO phenomena directly to occult rituals, not “pure science” or isolated ET contact.
  • Crop circles, even when manmade, often produce anomalous energy signatures and are received as “downloads” resembling ceremonial sigils (47:09).

8. Hybridization, Possession, and Self-Replication

• Possession as Pregnancy (65:10–75:00):
  • Detailed discussion on how ancient possession stories (including the debuk in Judaism) intertwine spirit possession, sexual pathology, and hybridization rituals, leading to biological avatars for these entities.
  • The process echoes occult rites and rituals, reflected in both ancient demonology and current UFO abduction fertility narratives.
  • Quote: “This intelligence replicates by implantation and impregnation. Implantation and impregnation... So a lot of people within demonology, they just don’t understand that this is both spiritual and physical.” – Nathaniel (66:04)

9. Form, Function, and the Physicality of Entities

• Paraphysical Model (78:47):
  • Nathaniel posits the physical/astral form of the entities is fluid, supporting John Keel’s “paraphysical” theory. The bodies seen (e.g., grays, reptilians) are forms/environments—possibly even piloted—masking underlying intelligences.
  • Quote: “I do not believe any of those really exist... even the pilots were being piloted. Who's piloting the pilot?” – Nathaniel (78:47)

10. Government Programs, Channeling, and Technological Inspiration

• Consciousness Projection & Military Research (86:44):
  • Historical and current government experiments (remote viewing, astral projection, MKUltra) overlap with occult methodologies, suggesting deep-rooted cross-pollination.
  • Entities and technology are not separate: occultists claim to have received downloads and instructions for both magic and advanced tech through these contacts.

11. Biblical Parallels, Trinity, and Inversion

• Ritual Inversion of Divine Principles (94:10):
  • The episode draws strong biblical parallels: the trinity, birth narratives, and the concept of possession/hybridization echo – or deliberately invert – Christian doctrine.
  • Jesus' post-resurrection form (94:11), the significance of names (Revelation 19:12 at 107:22), and the use of sigils are discussed as both authentic and counterfeit mechanisms in spiritual warfare.
  • Quote: “It's not reincarnation...by virtue of these rituals, it's transmigration...the impregnation of the dead in the bodies of the living.” – Nathaniel (95:00)

12. Narrative Control and Elite Rituals

• Epstein, Wexner, and the Control of Truth (96:32, 99:12):
  • Explicit examples from the Epstein files of attempts to “debunk” the overlap between abductions, ghosts, OOBEs (Out-of-Body Experiences), highlighting elite awareness and manipulation of these realities.
  • Epstein’s behaviors (shape-shifting, sexual rituals) are linked to ancient occult reproduction and possession rites.

13. Practical Realities, Dangers, and Consequences

• Pushback and Sacrifice of Researchers (119:02):
  • Nathaniel reveals the personal cost of his research—attacks from both secular and Christian communities, and real metaphysical repercussions, including “rituals performed on me without my knowledge.”
  • Hosts affirm the heaviness of this work, adding their own anecdotes of spiritual backlash.
  • Quote: "Are you having fun?"
    "Not really... There are days I want to get out of the field...The fun is the podcasting part, actually getting on here and releasing the research. The pushback comes from... rituals performed on me... cardiac event... I'm a loner. Fun for me is watching...football and eating chicken wings." – Nathaniel (119:02)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Possession to us is pregnancy to them."
  — Nathaniel Gillis (03:15)
• "Consent is belief. And 90% of the time, it's belief in the image."
  — Nathaniel (33:01)
• "If you think aliens are demons, you're an idiot. Albeit, it's reductive... to label those people as idiots is, I think, frustrating."
  — David (49:00)
• "We have to get rid of form and start looking at function."
  — Nathaniel (54:15)
• "You have to have the technology and the conjurer. You have to have them both for this to work."
  — Nathaniel (58:02)
• "Perfect pregnancy will birth perfect possession. The gold standard of possession is perfect possession—when software merges with hardware... for 25, 30 years, he's a deacon, she's a Sunday school teacher... Out of nowhere, the inhabitant within the host manifests."
  — Nathaniel (99:12)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:55] – Nathaniel introduces necronetics and his central theory
• [04:56–06:00] – Case study: BBQ, group sighting and manipulated memories
• [12:43] – Orbs and ghost apparitions: technology vs perception
• [16:29] – Observer effect, co-creation, and mythologizing the mask
• [23:12] – Form vs function: government misdirection
• [31:55] – Consent, generational access, and family iniquity
• [45:01/54:15] – Crop circles, sigils, and physical evidence of ritual
• [65:10–75:00] – Hybridization, possession, and the Dybuk phenomenon
• [78:47] – Paraphysical model and the taxonomy of ‘aliens’
• [86:44] – Government projects, projection of consciousness, remote viewing
• [94:10] – Trinity inversion, biblical/occult parallels
• [99:12] – Epstein files, elite rituals, and narrative control
• [119:02] – The burdens and personal toll of doing this research

Tone & Style

The episode mixes dark humor, camaraderie, and frank language with deep, occasionally esoteric, research. Both curiosity and skepticism—towards both mainstream and alternative narratives—are ever-present, with moments of raw confessions about the weight and dangers of their subject matter.

Conclusion

The conversation challenges mainstream and “extraterrestrial” narratives by uncovering the deep spiritual and occult roots of the UFO and abduction phenomena, insisting that governments, media, and even many in the alternative research community, are intentionally masking the true nature of these encounters. The show is a call to “see through the mask,” to analyze not the form but the function, and to confront the dark realities—spiritual, psychological, and physical—at play in our world. For seekers and skeptics alike, it’s both a caution and an invitation: Stay curious. Stay dangerous.

Find Nathaniel’s work: parasymposia.com
Hosts: David L Corbo, TopLobta
Notable episode hashtags: #Necronetics #BiblicalConspiracy #SpiritualWarfare #UFOs #OccultDisclosure