Orthodoxy and Cain's Messiah Complex w/ Ed Mabrie

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: "Orthodoxy and Cain's Messiah Complex" w/ Ed Mabrie

Date: May 20, 2026
Hosts: David L. Corbo (Top Lobsta), Co-host (identity unclear, possible Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)
Guest: Ed Mabrie

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this engaging episode, the Nephilim Death Squad assemble with biblical scholar and teacher Ed Mabrie to dissect the rise of Orthodox exclusivity, money in the church, spiritual warfare, and the often-misunderstood story of Cain and Abel. Through humor, candor, and biblical insight, the team critiques Christian institutions, unpacks spiritual deception in culture, and probes the deeper spiritual laws at play in classic Bible narratives.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Ed Mabrie’s Spiritual Warfare Course & Ministry

Timestamps: 03:58–08:10

• Ed shares about his website faithbyreason.net and a year-long spiritual warfare course.
  • “First three months is all about defense, getting to know who you are uniquely, because... your spiritual enemy knows who you are better than you do and knows how to attack you specifically.” (Ed, 04:39)
• The course transitions from defense to offense, then covers unique struggles (e.g., generational curses, addictions), and ultimately trains participants to teach others.
• “Our goal... is to make this course obsolete. To get to the point where so many of you know this and tell other people... and you don’t need us anymore.” (Ed, 05:26)
• They discuss the value, pricing debates, and unique material involved.

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2. Charging for Salvation? Orthodoxy & Gatekeeping

Timestamps: 08:32–14:51

• The hosts share anecdotes of Orthodox churches imposing hefty fees for baptisms ($250–$1,000), which leads to heated debate about salvation as a commodity.
  • “It’s a financial barrier in the loophole if I want to receive eternal salvation through this one church.... This is a huge problem, guys. Nobody sees this.” (Co-host, 11:25)
• Ed critiques both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions for exclusive claims; sees Orthodoxy as “Catholicism’s retarded cousin” in terms of institutional power and invented dogma.
  • “They share the same origin, which is: you have to be part of our organization. We're the only true, complete Christians.” (Ed, 11:39)
• Strong skepticism of sacred traditions and veneration of saints or Mary, which they interpret as incorporating pagan “divine feminine” elements.

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3. Mediation, Mary, and the Divine Feminine

Timestamps: 13:42–19:55

• The crew critiques the Orthodox/Catholic practice of praying through Mary or saints instead of directly to God.
  • “It’s an insult to Jesus to say that, okay, we need another mediator, even though the Bible clearly says there’s only one mediator...” (Ed, 14:36)
• Ed links Marian veneration to pagan goddess worship (Ishtar, Aphrodite, Isis, etc.), positing that early Christianity mixed with Roman paganism.
  • “All they did was take the pagan gods and slap Christian names on them... The mother goddess... they just say: okay, this is Mary now.” (Ed, 16:45)
• Discussion of Fatima and Marian apparitions being more akin to UFO encounters or spiritual deception.

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4. Solo Scriptura vs. Sacred Tradition

Timestamps: 19:55–24:45

• The team lauds sola scriptura (Bible as the sole authority) and critiques the Orthodox/Catholic reliance on church fathers or tradition.
  • “Church fathers did great work. But what they wrote isn’t Scripture. And they were wrong about certain things. Augustine was wrong about a lot of things.” (Ed, 21:42)
• Many church fathers disagreed on core doctrines, and some (e.g. Augustine) demystified supernatural elements, which the Nephilim Death Squad decry.

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5. “Every Church Has Something Wrong” – Disillusionment with Denominations

Timestamps: 24:45–27:00

• Hosts discuss their disenchantment with all denominations, highlighting failings and odd rituals (e.g. Orthodoxy’s veneration of relics, Catholic mummies in the Vatican).
  • “Every church has got something wrong, a hole in their game.” (David, 24:53)
• Suggest that even bizarre rituals might have “power” but reiterate that agreement and consent (even tacit or incremental) open spiritual doors—an essential principle of spiritual warfare.

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6. How Words and “Agreements” Open Doors in Spiritual Warfare

Timestamps: 27:10–33:00

• Ed teaches that spoken words and beliefs (“I never have luck”, “I’m always alone”) are covenants that give spiritual forces legal rights.
  • “When you say those things out loud, you’re cursing. You are literally entering into a covenant... When you enter a covenant, you have given these entities the rights to come in and make it happen.” (Ed, 27:47)
• Discussion of how “incremental agreements” can escalate demonic oppression—using personal struggles with porn and consumption of certain media as examples.
  • “It keeps getting incrementally bigger... You open that door again and you kept opening it wider and now you’re right back where you started.” (Ed, 29:55)

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7. The Unique Relationship God Wants & Critique of Rituals

Timestamps: 33:00–47:03

• Ed emphasizes a personal, direct relationship with God—rituals, pre-written prayers, and rote liturgy are likened to greeting cards (“not your words”).
  • “He wants that from you. He doesn’t want someone else’s words. He wants your stories, your prayers, your life.” (Ed, 47:03)
• Discussion of how the “church” is not a building or an organization, but the ecclesia, “the called out ones.”

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8. UFO Disclosure, Christian Pastors, and the "Clown Show"

Timestamps: 49:14–66:23

• The group explores the recent UFO “disclosure” media circus:
  • Pastors and ex-military being “debriefed” by supposed insiders then launching media tours, often sensationalizing the topic.
  • Exposes the grifters, contradictory claims, and how it all becomes a “clown show” that undermines credible biblical research on spiritual deception.
  • “Now when disclosure happens... they're able to make it clownish, then people are gonna say, ‘Oh, it's just these crazy Christians.’” (Ed, 58:30)
• Ed believes real “disclosure” (fallen angels as “aliens”) will be part of end-times deception but that these media cycles serve to muddy the waters and make genuine warnings look foolish.
• Ed also connects this strategy to how legitimate medical dissent was ridiculed during COVID (horse dewormer, etc.), suggesting the same pattern is being used to suppress biblical truth about the supernatural.

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9. The Collins Elite Parallel and the Use of "Demonic" Language

Timestamps: 70:09–74:24

• The team reflects on the contemporary “Christian UFO disclosure” moment as a repeat of the “Collins Elite” government-spiritualist dynamic, and express anxiety over how quickly fringe supernatural interpretations are being co-opted and weaponized against Christians.
• They warn that Christians will be painted as “standing in the way of progress”—a refrain already present in media discussions of UFOlogy.
  • “They're going to paint Christians as standing in the way of progress, which is going to be a big problem.” (Co-host, 71:35)

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10. Cain, Abel & the Messiah Complex Explained

Timestamps: 87:05–107:33

• Ed shares fresh insights from his Genesis study on Cain:
  • Debunks myths that Cain was the offspring of the serpent, that pre-Adamic civilizations existed, and that the issue was mere jealousy or sacrifice quality.
  • Establishes Abel and Cain as adult siblings, whose sacrifices were well understood—Abel offers blood (in line with God’s pattern of blood sacrifice for sin), Cain offers produce, “doing it his own way.”
  • Ed’s theory: Cain grew up believing he was the prophesied “seed of the woman” destined to break the curse—when God rejects his self-styled worship, Cain snaps. Killing Abel, he aims to secure the Messiah role.
  • “Imagine you’re Cain. You grow up for 50, 60, 70 years thinking you’re the guy, you’re the hero, you’re gonna be the Messiah, you’re gonna make everything right... My brother is the Messiah? Well, if there’s no more Abel, then I’m the only male heir left...” (Ed, 93:51)
• Discuss the nuance of sin as a spiritual force “crouching at the door” and God’s repeated attempts (from Eden through Cain) to offer repentance before judgment.
• Ed floats the fascinating idea that “life is in the blood”—blood cries out from the ground, the Earth itself groans, and creation is sentient (not pantheistically), echoing biblical cosmology and spiritual laws.

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11. Final Reflections: God’s Consistency, Forgiveness, and the Uniqueness of Personal Relationship

Timestamps: 107:10–end

• Ed argues the Tree of Life existed as a means of healing, even in a fallen creation, and the goal was always restoration.
  • “If [Adam and Eve] had confessed and repented, [the Tree of Life] would have healed them... In eternity, the leaves are for the healing of the nations.” (Ed, 106:28)
• The hosts are left stirred and grateful, encouraged to “keep learning... to make mistakes,” and reminded that God’s purpose was never about rituals or exclusionary organizations but genuine relationship.

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On direct access to God vs. intercessors:
  “To say we need another mediator... it's an insult to Jesus.”
  — Ed Mabry, (14:36)

• On Orthodox/Catholic exclusivity:
  “They share a lot of the same ideas... You have to be part of our organization. We’re the only true 100% complete Christians.”
  — Ed Mabry, (11:39)

• On spiritual warfare and legal rights:
  “When you say those things [negative proclamations] out loud, you’re cursing. You are literally entering into a covenant... you have given these entities the rights to come in and make it happen.”
  — Ed Mabry, (27:47)

• On the dangers of ritualized prayers:
  “God wants to know you uniquely... He wants your stories, your prayers, your life.”
  — Ed Mabry, (47:03)

• On modern disclosure and “clown show” pastors:
  "Now when disclosure happens... they're able to make it clownish, then people are gonna say, 'Oh, it's just these crazy Christians.'"
  — Ed Mabry, (58:30)

• On the root of Cain's sin:
  "Imagine you're Cain... thinking you're the guy... and then God says, 'No, your brother's sacrifice is accepted.'... If there's no more Abel, then I'm the only male heir left. I get to be the Messiah."
  — Ed Mabry, (93:51)

• On the church as the body, not an institution:
  "Church is not a building... it's a group of people. Our goal shouldn’t be, 'my doctrine is better than yours.'"
  — Ed Mabry, (42:55)

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• [03:58–08:10] – Ed explains his spiritual warfare course and its stages
• [09:08–11:30] – Orthodox church charging for salvation, criticism begins
• [14:33–16:45] – Insult to Jesus: Mary, saints, and the problem of mediators
• [21:42–24:45] – Sola scriptura vs. church tradition
• [27:47–29:55] – Spiritual “legal rights” given by words/covenants
• [58:30–60:00] – "Clown show" UFO disclosure and manipulation of Christian narrative
• [87:05–107:33] – In-depth breakdown of Cain’s story and “Messiah complex”

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CONCLUSION & RESOURCES

This episode is a provocative, honest, and biblical look at modern Christianity, tradition vs. scripture, the nature of spiritual warfare, and the challenges of discerning deception in both church and culture. With humor and reverence, the Nephilim Death Squad and Ed Mabrie push listeners to seek a personal relationship with God, test doctrines by Scripture, and stay vigilant in a world filled with spiritual counterfeits.

Key resources:

• Ed Mabrie’s website: faithbyreason.net
• Spiritual warfare course (discount code: Warrior50)

Closing encouragement:
“You may know who Jesus is, but does He know who you are? ... Do you have a relationship with Him?” (Ed, 111:02)

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For listeners seeking biblical depth, practical spiritual warfare insight, and unapologetic cultural critique—this episode delivers.

Transcript

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

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We don't do that exact one, but we do sell a variation very early. I remember that's the first iteration of it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The first guest today.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

We're going to keep these people waiting.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. Well, joining us today as, as you know, I almost said, as always, but it's never the case. It's always too far and few in between. Fridays are for the Lord. And so we have Ed Mabry back with us. Ed, it's been a while. How have you been, man?

[Ed Mabry]

Good. It has been a while. This annoying job, I mean, if they could just pay me without making me work, that would, that's, that's the only thing. That's the only barrier.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, that's the dream. That is the dream.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Pay me without making me. I'm actually upset with them. We, we tried to ask where he's working. He won't give us the information because I want to call them and say, oh, hey, can you just free up Fridays if you know, whatever you do.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Who is this?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, just do me a favor and free up Fridays. Before we get into this conversation, Ed, let's, let's talk about where people can find all your work because you have a ton of it.

[Ed Mabry]

Sure. So the main place is, well, two main places. One is faithby reason.net. that is the website, the legacy website, that, which I have been on for well over a decade now. That's also. So you'll, you'll get all my, all the things I've been teaching there for a really long time. The full Revelation series, also the Genesis series, which I need to update there a little bit more because it's actually behind. And also this is where you access the spiritual warfare course, which is in month number two. We started in April and we are now halfway through May. So it's been going amazing. We've had some great people sign up and people have been going through the lessons and they've just been raving about how much it's helped them so far. It's, it's a whole one year. It's one year course. And everything builds on itself. The we have it in three month chunks where the first three months is all about defense, getting to know who you are uniquely, because that's important because the way you are attacked spiritually is through your. Who you are uniquely. So you have to know that because you know what, your spiritual enemy knows who you are better than you do and knows how to attack you specifically. And we go through that in the first three months. The next three months we go on offense, and then three months after that we get into special situations, things like generational curses and addictions and all sorts of things like that in, you know, situations that are really difficult, even Jesus had a bit of difficulty with a couple of. With a certain demons where he normally. He would cast them out. One time he tried to cast a demon out and nothing happened. He had to ask the demon its name. And. Yes, you know that. So. And then. Then the last quarter is about being generative. We want to train you to do what we do. Our. Our goal, myself and John Linhart, my partner, is to make this course obsolete. To get to the point where there's so many of you who know this and you tell other people and you teach them you don't need us anymore. So we want to make you autonomous. The last three months is teaching you how to teach other people this. And then we can just multiply from there and just create an army.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's awesome. That's huge information because I had an

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

idea a long time ago about a T shirt where it's like a worldwide exorcism and it's like a joke of a priest in a plane.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That already happened. They did like the. It was a worldwide baptism. It was a flood.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Well, how much did it cost? 250. A priest in a plane and he's like spraying holy water, but they're chemtrails.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Over the.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Over the. What you guys are doing is basically. Yeah, it's a worldwide exorcism in a way.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's huge too. Right. Because as the world descends further into chaos, it becomes more and more important.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. And I know that, you know, the price was an issue for some people. I totally get it. And we're. We're seeing. We can deal with that. But what we do right. Have right now, if you sign up, you get the first three months half off.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a year long, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Yes. A year long.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. I mean, it's a year long. Well, you know, of course.

[Ed Mabry]

And you're learning things you're not going to learn anywhere else. I know that because a lot of John's material is proprietary. It's copywritten, and it's. It's only been for the people he's been coaching. And we're giving you. That's like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's.

[Ed Mabry]

That. That course that he is providing as part of this course is 700 on its own. That the retail. And we're.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's being labor because you're going to be doing this like you're doing this for a year.

[Ed Mabry]

I have two jobs, so I have my regular job. I have this job. And then I try to make time to be on podcasts. It's. It's. It's a bit of a strain, but it's. It's a lot of work, but it's. It's. It's passion, and so we love doing it, but it's. It's a lot we put into it. When you see the materials that you're getting, the videos you're getting, access to, the books you're getting access to and. And private coaching if you're at the higher tier. We. We just had our.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Our.

[Ed Mabry]

Our coaching session for the month of April. John and I did that with. With the group who signed up for that level. And it's supposed to be 90 minutes. It went to two hours. And because it was just that amazing and people were just learning, growing so much, I would have gone another hour, but I. I just had another obligation I need to get to, but I would have been happy doing it for. Doing it for three hours. It was just that amazing and intense with. With what people were learning and. And the situations they were bringing to us and what we were able to coach them through, because that's my passion and John's passion is coaching people, teaching them to, you know, to. To have victory in spiritual warfare and to. And to grow their relationship with God.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, well, you know, it's hard to put a value on that, really. But like I said earlier, as the world descends further into chaos, this sort of thing becomes more and more important. And, you know, we're kind of at this edge of something that might cause people to fall away from their faith. That's at least been the conversation that's been happening, you know, online, government officials. Yeah, and. And that thing.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I mean, some of the conversations we've been having lately, I guess, since we've last spoken to Ed was like, what. Like this. This idea of what the church is.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, that's been what exactly.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And I think it comes in many forms. I was telling Ed a little bit about, like, the argument that we had before with the. The. I was gonna call them Baptists, but with the Orthodox people.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And I'm like, there's a big problem there. It's like, I don't know, people are gonna. People, if they do throw the idea of money at you or whatever, like, you know, you're charging for a course. It's not charging for salvation, which is kind of like one of the things that we.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We ran into with these dudes. Did you know that, Ed? That. I don't know that this is. I don't want to throw all of orthodoxy but we have found churches that are charging and they legitimize it one way or another. It's, you got to pay for this. You got to pay for the robes that it happens in. You got to do this. But. But there's ranges. We found $250 for a baptism, all the way up to $1,000 for a baptism.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And the main problem here is that, like, when you start to investigate a little bit further into what they think, their doctrine, we go, well, okay, you know, if I'm in a Protestant church, most of the time. Most of the time, all the time, I'll say, hey, is it necessary to be baptized? And they go, no, but you should. You definitely should.

[Ed Mabry]

Right, exactly.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Is it necessary towards salvation? Towards my salvation? And they'll be like, no, but if you want to get baptized, you can.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

The Orthodox Church, when you start to read into it, which is like, again, this is a rabbit hole I've been down the last week and I'm like, I kind of regret going down because I'm like, the more I dig, the more I. The more dead saints I see that they're kissing. It's just very strange.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's bore some fascinating fruit, though, things that I didn't know. So in that spirit, it's, you know. Yeah, so I don't regret that you did that.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I mean, a main issue that I've been having with them is that they say, well, in order to be saved or in order to receive salvation, number one, you must be part of the Orthodox Church.

[Ed Mabry]

The church.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Is that what they say?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah, that's. This is. This is why I'm fighting with them, David.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's a crazy, because I heard them say you're not Christian. Right, right.

[Ed Mabry]

You.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And, and you're not.

[Ed Mabry]

You're not fully Christian.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, right.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Well, no, I mean, no, it depends on who you talk to and how. Like if they, how much they like to insult you. But most of these people, I'm, I'm watching from the sidelines, like, they won't tell me that I'm not fully Christian, but they do that kind of like, well, you know, that kind of. And I'm like, all right, whatever. They believe you have to be part of their church to receive God's grace, salvation. And I was like, ah, the Bible doesn't say that. Then they say, oh, what are you, solo scriptura? And I go, yeah, actually just read the Bible what it says there. But then you circle and you loop a little bit more and I go, okay, so how do I join the church. Like, what are the prerequisites to join it? And they go, well, you have to be baptized by the church into the church. And I go, okay, cool. And then, you know, comes up, there's a fee for baptism, which is very. I, I find that very funny because it's like this one barrier in the

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

loophole of financial barrier.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

It's a financial barrier in the loophole of if I want to receive eternal salvation through this one church. And now you set up the rules that it's just through you. And I'm like, this is a huge problem, guys. Nobody sees this. Yeah, shut up, Proddy. And I'm like, all right, I guess I'll shut up.

[Ed Mabry]

What do you, what do you think?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

What do you think about this?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, I, I, I joked, tongue slightly in cheek, right before we came on, as I, I call Orthodoxy, you know, Catholicism, retarded cousin now. And it looks, yeah. What I mean by that is because I'm not, you know me, I'm not a, I'm not a fan of, Of Catholicism. Not the Catholic people. We've talked about this before. It's just the, the Vatican, the catechisms, and all the things that they basically made up. And if you look at how these churches came about, they had this similar origin. It's just that the Orthodox became the eastern part. You know, there was a split. There was this schism, they call it the Great Schism between the western part of the Church and the eastern part. The western part became what we know commonly as Roman Catholicism. The eastern part became Eastern Orthodox. But they share a lot of the same ideas because they have the same origin, which is you have to be a part of our organization. We're the only true 100% complete Christians. The rest of you are. I think they look at people who are not Catholic or Orthodox the same way we look at someone who says, oh, I'm just spiritual. I believe in God. But I.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Very condescending attitude that they give me. And, yeah, and I've always been very like, like, like, I sense it. I perceive that. But I go.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah, it was talking about how to. How to pray. And there's a box, and it's like a chart. So one way you can pray is directly to God, and that goes like. That goes across this way. So, man. God on this side. Another way you can pray is you can go this way to the saints, and then they could pray to God for you, or you can go this way to Mary, and then she could pray to God for you. And I just said, seems like a waste of time. And let me tell you, man, it's been. It's been a week of being attacked by. I understand being attacked by Catholics for this, but then I'm like. I look to my left and right, and I was like, oh, man, I thought you guys. The orthodox dudes, ortho bros. I thought you guys were chill with me. They're like, no, no. Like, we. We really value. We venerate our saints. And I was like, dog, you're wasting time. These guys are dead. You're praying to. You're praying to dead people when you can. Jesus died so that we can approach the throne. The throne boldly, without sin.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's.

[Ed Mabry]

It's wild.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

What an insult it is.

[Ed Mabry]

It's an insult not just to us. It's an insult to. To Jesus to say that, okay, we need another mediator, even though the Bible clearly says there's only one mediator between God, between man God, and that is Jesus. He is our mediator. He is. We don't need another human being, alive or dead.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know if I can zoom in on this. I'm sorry, hold on.

[Ed Mabry]

Let me see real quick.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, of course not. But this. Oh, there we go. This is the. The chart. And it's just like, you know, they thought it was a slick way to explain, like, no, it's not really a big deal. But what they haven't realized here is that you have either a direct line to God through Jesus Christ, or you can take a convoluted route through all the angels and the saints or Mama Mary, as they put it. And it's just fascinating because this on its face goes, so then what's the point?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And the crazy part is like this show, the entire show that we do is about, well, not in the entire show, but like we're talking about the divine feminine, which is right there. And that's in what Mary is, is constantly switched around with that. And I feel bad for Mary, you

[Ed Mabry]

know, because, yeah, I think she's horrible

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

wrapped up in this.

[Ed Mabry]

I, I believe that she is horrified. I think she's in, in heaven, in the throne in heaven now, horrified that this is being done in her name, but it's not her. And I know it's going to piss people off, whatever be pissed off. Mary, the, the Mary that they talk about is not the, the physical mother of Jesus. That is the old Mother Goddess that they renamed what Catholicism Orthodoxy is. It's basically, it's an amalgamation of Christianity and paganism. All they did was they took the pagan, the old pagan religions of Rome and of all the different districts that the Roman, all the different people and all the different pagan religions, and they just, they took Christianity. When Constantine made Christianity legal and his third successor, Theodosis, made Christianity the official religion that. And you were forced to convert. And of course there was a ruckus there. They, they wanted to make it more palatable to the pagans. And so what they did was they just took all the pagan gods and they slapped Christian names on them.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Romulus and Remus, who were the founders of the mythological founders of Rome, became Peter and Paul. All of their various and sundry gods became the saints. And the mother goddess who began with Semiramis, Nimrod's wife, who became Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtaroth, Aphrodite, Venus, Isis, she became Mary. That's why you have all these different religions all over the world who all have that mother child statue. You've seen it. The, the, there's a divine mother holding the divine little baby, suckling on her teeth or whatever. You see it in the Middle east, you see it in China, you see it in the Americas.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Why?

[Ed Mabry]

Because when, when the, when Babel was, was divided, when the nations were divided by language, they all took that same paganism into their individual nations. And that's why they all have the same mother child cult. And when, when Catholicism came up, Catholicism came around, the Mother Goddess, they just say, okay, this is Mary now and her little baby, who is Tammuz or Horus or, or, or, or Dionysus or whoever, depending on depending that that became Jesus. It's not. Mary has nothing to do with her. We don't pray to Mary. You know, it doesn't make any sense.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I saw somebody in the chat talking about sort of, was it the Mary apparition in Guadalupe, The. The Fatima.

[Ed Mabry]

This is.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

This is why this gained so much steam. It's like I stepped in it on the day before Fatima.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's right, yeah. The Pope was coming out and he

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

was doing maybe two days before. So these guys are ready, they're like primed to go worship the UFO or whatever that came down.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And that's the thing is with the fat incident, which was seen by over 70, 000 people, it was like a

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

quarter of a million people at the location this year.

[Ed Mabry]

It's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And it was. They, you know, this entity was able to tell them reliably, come back on this day. I'm going to be here. But there were reports of light discs, buzzing noises, something that looked like a falling leaf that would sway back and forth as it came down the silver disc. There is a lot. I think La Marzulli actually does a fantastic job of unpacking this. There was a lot of UFO descriptives that accompany that. And. And then of course, when you go into UFO lore, there is, as the Bledso put it, the lady who identifies herself as Mary, as the Holy Spirit, but also as Ishtar, as all these other things. So this, this divine feminine deception seems to be tied directly into the UFO deception. And then one of the things that we talk about constantly is in the Bible, the only mention of the Queen of Heaven, which is a fantastic name that these churches have given to Mary because the only mention of the Queen of Heaven is in Jeremiah. It's a negative connotation. And it seems that everybody, Biblical scholars agree.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

This is solo scriptura, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know. I guess I was just like, hey, you know, it's a funny thing because what happens is you go. Let's say you love it. You go, queen of Heaven. Fantastic. I want to go and find anything in the Bible that talks about this because I want to learn more. All you're gonna find is Jeremiah where women have given offerings to the Queen of Heaven and aroused God's anger.

[Ed Mabry]

Yep, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Get very mad.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

They get very mad when that's pointed out.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, they get very bad. But. But that's why they hate the idea of sola scriptura, because sola scriptura means we could. That the Bible is our ultimate arbitrator, arbiter of truth. But they say, oh no, no, the Bible is just one is just one of God's words. The other is our. Our sacred traditions. The church fathers, the Orthodox are really big on the church fathers but interestingly they're only big on the church fathers who agree with their doctrine. They won't agree. They're not down with the other church fathers who don't. People like, you know, even from the Syrian or certain. They like Irenaeus. But only certain things that Irenaeus says when he. Like when Irenaeus talks about the end times. Oh no, they don't like that part. Or a Subius. Some of the stuff is. Subi says, oh yeah, that's great. But other things they don't like which I find really interesting because again, you know Jay Dyer, very smart guy, very well researched and he, you know, also

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

a good guy, I will say, like just solidly.

[Ed Mabry]

His wife never met him. I've got no problem with him personally. But he is very much in the Orthodox. He always talks about the church fathers and they say this, you know, and the Protestants believe this other thing like well, you know, there are certain church fathers who, who, who echo exactly what you say. The Protestants are getting wrong. So why don't you quote that Church father or that section what the church father says? Because I know he's against like for example, the doctrine of the Rapture. And he says, oh no, that's. The church fathers didn't believe that. Absolutely not. Ephraim the Syrian wrote about it a lot. Irenaeus who was a. Who was a second, second generation disciple of the Apostle John, he actually knew the Apostle John who pinned the Book of Revelation towards the end of his life. So he had a pretty close tie in to an actual disciple of Jesus. And he spoke about the end times and he spoke about a rapture. He's actually spoke about a rapture happening before the tribulation. Imagine that. But. So that's what I find disingenuous about this is that they want to say the Bible is only part of it. But you have to believe in the church fathers. Again, Church fathers did great work. But there's this. What they wrote isn't Scripture. And they were wrong about certain things. Augustine was wrong about a lot of things. Augustine didn't believe in the Nephilim. He didn't. He. Augustine, he was one of the ones who took the Bible and made it less supernatural because he was embarrassed about the idea of. Of angels having intercourse with women. So he de. Spiritualized it. That's not a good thing. And he was a church father. He had some good writings, but some of them were not. So my point is that you can read the commentary and the works of all these different people. And I will admit that there are even some Catholics, priests who have written some really, really good stuff. But it's not scriptures. It has to match the word of God. And that's otherwise.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

These are just men, right? I mean, at the end of the day, Father Seraphim Rose wrote a lot of really fascinating stuff on a coming UFO deception. And I've not read his book, but I've seen excerpts and I've seen. I'll say something. And they go, actually, Father Sarah from Rose has something fascinating to say about that. And I'd look at it and go, oh, yeah, I kind of agree with that. Is it. So it's like. But these are just.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, these are men.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

These are just men. Right? Who are.

[Ed Mabry]

Father. Father Malachi Martin, I am a huge fan of. He was a Jesuit, of all things. He left the order. Very brilliant man. He wrote the Keys to this Blood and Windswept House, which I recommend anyone reads if they want to get into spiritual warfare. Because he was an exorcist and. But, you know, he was a. He was a Catholic. He was a Jesuit.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I've been. I've been skimming through some of Calvin's work because Matt has some stuff back here. I took one of the books and I'm like, yeah, dude's kind of solid. He's like a lot of the stuff you say. I mean, I guess the Calvinism, the idea of a predetermination where you go is like one thing of what he thought. But, like, he's written many books and a lot of his books. I'm like, there's some good work in here. I don't. I don't really know what to do.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, we should have a talk about Calvinism maybe when I get down there for Bohemian Grove, because there's some. Some. The Five Point Calvinism has. Has. Does have some serious issues. That doesn't mean that everything that Calvin said was wrong. Calvin was a Christian. But I have some disagreements with some of. Probably, you know, four of the five points of Five Point Calvinism. But that doesn't. But so again, we. And the problem is that some of them disagree with the Bible.

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[Ed Mabry]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. So when I say sola scriptura, what that means is that the Bible is the Rosetta Stone. The Bible is. Is. Should be the. It should be a foundation by which we test everything.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying, and I'm sure I fail. I fail probably more than most people, but, like.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Lately I've been looking around me.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

It's been a little disheartening.

[Ed Mabry]

Ed.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, it just kind of goes to show you, there's not just one church.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Well, I.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Look, I think every church has got something wrong, a hole in their game.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Something real wrong, too. And it's like, a lot of it's being exposed horrifically. So, like, we're looking at the Orthodox, and they've been taking a beating lately because of.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, it's just.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I mean, just find out what they believe. And you go, whoa, that's the kissing of the.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The bones based. I thought that was extra crazy because that's like. I don't know how you defend that.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Catholics have. I'm gonna say Catholics as a whole. But doesn't the Catholic Church have a skull that they proclaim to be Mary's skull, and then they have a whole

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

person's body, but they're like, she hasn't decayed, so she's blessed? And I'm like, this is wild.

[Ed Mabry]

It's interesting. I don't. I don't. You maybe. I'm not saying you're wrong about that. I don't know. I do know that they claim to have the bones of Peter.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

There. But was. And. And when. When my wife and I, when we visited Rome, a few. Right before. COVID No, we went into. We visited Vatican City, and they have a lot of the old popes, like, mummified. You can actually see their mummified bodies. Excuse me. In St. Peter's Basilica, which is very kind of crazy. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Honestly.

[Ed Mabry]

Kind of creepy.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I'm not. I'm not dumb enough to say that it doesn't do anything. It probably might do. Listen, there's. There's probably some sort of, like, power in this stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm like, the idea of dying head of John the Baptist.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah, but you probably shouldn't do that. Like.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. In Our spiritual warfare class, we're going to go over some of this stuff like, a little later on in the year because there are two, like, schools of thought. One school of thought is that, you know, all this stuff is like, in any of these rituals and that they do with, with bones, with blood. It doesn't, it doesn't really do any. Yeah, it doesn't really do anything. It's all. Not. No, not at all. Then the other school of thought is that, like, you know, everything mystical has power. It's somewhere in between. There is power. One of the things I actually talked about in, Oh, I think is in the, in. In my last April lesson was you talked about spiritual laws that, that. That all spiritual entities, including God himself, are subject to. God subjects himself to his laws. And one of those laws is that that man is sovereign. That man cannot, in other words, you cannot be possessed without giving some type of tacit permission. So, so when, when you are possessed or even when you oppressed, what you have to look at in your life is what kind of agreements have you made? Because everything in a spiritual realm is done through words and covenants. And I, and I have. There's an exercise that I have people do in the warfare class where they, where they write down the things that they say. Because we will say things that we either either come from us or we heard from our parents, and we'll say, you know what? Things never work out for me. You know, oh, I'm so unlucky. I have bad luck. Or, you know, you know, always a bridesmaid, never a bride, or, you know, I'm never going to find love. When you say those things out loud, you're cursing. You are literally entering to a covenant. Because a covenant is when you make. You speak something out loud and you get into agreement with it. If you were always saying something negative over your life, you are entering a covenant. And when you enter a covenant, you have given these entities the rights to come in and make it happen. So when you say, nothing ever works out for me, and you say that all the time, the entities now have a legal power to say, yeah, I'm going to. Now I can make things not work out for you because you've given me the authority through your words. So what you have to do is the opposite. You speak the Bible over that and say, you know, I'm blessed and highly favored. You speak the. But you speak what the Bible says over it, and you, you intentionally repent from that. So that's one of those. There, there's a Freebie for you. As far as spiritual warfare is concerned, you have to give these entities a right to that, even if you're not doing it direct. If you're playing with a Ouija board, if you're listening to certain kind of demonic music, as it were, you're not saying come possessing, what you're doing is you're opening the door and you're giving them legal right that they do otherwise.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I think in the sense of like, let's say the music or the things that you're watching, there are degrees to consent as well. Right. So some things kick the door wide open. Some things they might open at a millimeter at a time. And it's like, are you going to experience demonic oppression in an overt manner if you're listening to some sort of, you know, something that has a satanic bent to it? As far as music, like you might say some of the, the, the more caricaturized metal of the 80s and 90s had this satanic bend to it. It's like, no, if you're just playing a song in your car, you're probably not going to have an experience. But if you get to the extent where it's part of your everyday routine, it becomes an idol. You've got posters on your walls. This is, you know, somebody hops in the car and you just can't wait to be like, let me show you this album, let me show you this cd, let me listen. I got to show you this particular song. And like, it's just these millimeter sized agreements that you're getting on a daily basis to the tunes of, you know, hundreds of times per week until eventually your life is in disarray and you're not too sure why, or you mess with the Ouija board and the doors kicked wide open.

[Ed Mabry]

Right. And as you said, it keeps getting incrementally bigger. An example of this that we're going to go over in like the third quarter of it. It was our addictions and pornography. Every, every man struggle is pornography. You know, I've struggled with, everyone does. And you know, you kick the habit. You know, I'm not going to watch porn anymore. And, and once you close that door, you will find, you know, after you like, don't watch it or, and don't do anything like that for a while, you say, you know, I don't even have the urge to. But then what happens? You're sitting watching a movie with your wife. Oh, there's a nude scene now you can stop it right there and say, you know what? I see what's happening. I'm gonna stop it. But you say, I was okay with just a nude scene. It was just. Just some. Just some titties. But then you see another one and another one. Now you open that door. Open again, like, oh, you know what? I've already seen them having, you know, R rated sex on a. On the movie screen. Let me just go and watch this little thing here. I'll watch it and next thing, you know, but you're. You're back down that road. But what did. What happened? You opened the door again and you kept opening it wider and wider, and now you're right back where you started.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Let that be a lesson to you. It's never just some titties, guys.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Something.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Something crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Something crazy is like I. An admission. I probably made it on the show a long time ago when I was still working with Legion of Skanks.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

But when I. When I listen to Legion of Skanks.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Like, I would. I would go through a lot of periods where I'm like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna look at. I'm not gonna scroll through it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I not gonna look at Just some titties.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Not gonna goon.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. No gooning.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

No gooning. But I'd listen to Legion of Skanks. It's a comedy show.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And you go, why should three dudes.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

No, no. They would be overwhelmed. Like, an overwhelming sense of, like, now, like, just pause this and just go, yeah, look at some porn.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yep.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And they weren't. I'm like, rewind. What were they talking about? And they were saying any manner of thing, but it wasn't necessarily always a sexual manner. And it's like three guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's like, there's a spirit in the room.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

There's a spirit and it's in their room.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's kind of like a spirit of chaos, especially when you're dealing with comedy. We've learned that a lot.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

But it's also there. I think it's something that, like, I know Big J. Yeah. Like, he doesn't even struggle with it. He's given into it. He's like, yeah, he's just doing it all day.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Lewis too.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I don't think.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know if Dave, there are dudes that will look at you. Like, if I go, it's been a long time. Like, I'm. I'm crushing. I've been not getting. You're not the. For not being. Why are you doing that?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah. That guy so One of a couple of those guys actually actively participate. They just, like, give in to that, and they, like. They like that. It's like, it's a good thing. And then they make jokes about it and stuff like that. And there's something about that spirit, whether they're even talking about it directly or not. But I'm like, oh, man. That just like. Like, for some reason just jumped into me, and I'm just listening in my. In my ear. Crazy stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, Yeah. I also get mad when you're trying to watch something, and all of a sudden it's like, you know, unsolicited boobies on the screen, and I'm like, you suck.

[Ed Mabry]

It have nothing to do with it. With the. With that. You're not watching even a romantic movie. It's just, you know, blah, blah, blah. Oh, look, titties.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Just a woman changing. Like, this has nothing to do with the story. It's like a political thriller or whatever I'm watching and why do I need to see. You know, and of course, as a guy, you know, we like. Yeah, I don't mind, you know, but,

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

you know, it doesn't permeated Hollywood. I mean, in. In the most egregious of ways.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, exactly. I want to take a quick step back with going back to the Orthodox stuff and praying, you know, indirectly through Mary or whatever. And when I've dealt with, I have a friend who's actually a good friend of mine who's very devoutly Catholic. And we've had our battles here and there, and I've kind of just stepped aside, because whenever I try to bring the Bible up and say, you know, the Bible doesn't say this, you know, because Catholicism says. And probably Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy as well, that, you know, Mary was an eternal virgin. That she was. I said, okay, but the Bible says she had other kids. Two of them wrote books in the Bible. James and Jude were Jesus, half brothers through his legal father, Joseph. So how can you say she was eternally a virgin and she had more kids?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

He says that somebody said that Jude. They're like, oh, Jude was just like, brother, as you say, like my brother. Like that kind of thing. And I was like, I don't know. It says Jude, brother of Jesus. Like, right.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, since in Matthew, they. They say, you know what isn't. Because when Jesus started preaching and teaching and they said, wait a minute. This is. Isn't this a carpenter son? And, you know, isn't his brother. Doesn't he have his three brothers? James, Jude, Judas, but same to Jude And. And Jonas and his sisters. So Jesus had three half brothers and at least two sisters. And. And there. And you can't say that. And. Because I asked my friend about that, and he says, oh, no, that means cousin. Like, no, dog. You can't do that because that's in Greek. Greek is a very precise language. There's a different word for brother as opposed to cousin, and that word used there is brother. So either. Either Catholicism is right or the Bible is right. They can't both be. And you have to make a decision. And. But. But with Catholicism and even Orthodox, they believe that if there's a conflict between their sacred teachings and the Bible, they actually put their sacred teachings ahead of the Bible. Because it's a newer revelation.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, because as you're saying it here, I'm like, okay, he has. But if I venerated Mary to a degree that was probably unhealthy, and she was the eternal virgin and all these other things, then I might have a huge problem with it. But as you're sitting here saying, I'm like, well, if that's what it says, you know, if I look at that and. And I read that, and I go, yeah, Ed Mabry's interpretation seems pretty sound. That's what I'm getting from two. I don't have a problem with that.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

So on. On one side of me, I've got these guys, which I think that it's a very. That's obviously very dangerous territory to be in, because now you're just excluding the Bible and you're doing some weird, wacky and relying on tradition. On the other side of me, I have literal. In my opinion, I don't care anymore.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Clowns.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Straight up. Straight up clowns. We've been calling them podcasters.

[Ed Mabry]

And.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And they got off the hook.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

They got off the hook because of the Orthodox stuff that we've been dealing with, which is a clear. Like a clear.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yep.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Party foul.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So, I mean, here, let's. Let's catch edit. I don't know if you've been watching this phenomenon, but.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm sorry. Okay, so what I want to really bring up is.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Is.

[Ed Mabry]

Is, like, in my Bible study, the purpose of it is to know God's plans, know Jehovah's plan.

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[Ed Mabry]

Liberty, Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. And so when anyone comes to me, that's why I brought up my friends saying, well, God wants this, that or the other. Let's look at the very beginning. What is God's will? It hasn't changed. His will at the beginning of the Bible and the end are the same thing. He wants to dwell with us and have a personal relationship, a fellowship with us. He created Adam and Eve to rule the earth by day and in the evening, let's walk and talk. He wanted to have a direct relationship, direct contact with him. Now they screwed that up, obviously, and they. They can no longer have that direct contact. What did Jesus come back to do? Jesus came back to undo what Adam did so that we could have that renewed, so that we could have what Jehovah wants. And at the end, in the end, in Revelation, the last chapter, what does it say? God comes down. God doesn't in heaven. When we're in the new Jerusalem, he said, the dwelling place of God is with man. God is going to get back what he had before, but he can walk with us in the cool of the day as he did with Adam and Eve before they sinned. So if that is Jehovah's will and Jesus came to make that will happen, then wouldn't it be completely contradictory to say, okay, now I want you to go through Mary or through these saints or through these angels to get to me. That is the opposite of what God's wants. So if you know what God's will is, then you will know what is not his will. And you know all these falsehoods. So the biggest defense against false doctrine is to know the truth about who God is. So the more you know God, the more you will not be fooled by anyone who says this is God's doctrine. And like, no, this isn't God's doc. God wants me to talk to him. In fact, my. The next lesson I'm putting out next Wednesday because our new stuff drops every Wednesday on the spiritual. Spiritual warfare class is my first of two parts on how to have a. How to step into the council of God, which we have the right to do through Jesus and have and be a part of his holy divine council. If you read any of Michael Heiser's work, you know what the divine council is. Adam and Eve were on the divine council. They lost it. We as Christians can't. We can go, as you mentioned before, top that, the verse where we can enter boldly into the throne room of God. We have access directly to him, and that's what he wants from us. And I'm going to teach that in the next spiritual warfare class. Because there are two things, number one, Christians don't understand. Most Christians don't understand that God even has a divine counsel. And number two, they don't understand that we can be a part of it. And third, they don't understand how to be, how to enter into it. And we're. And I'm going to teach that. But my point is, you want to know God, and the more you know someone, the less you know you. You guys know each other really well. Obviously, if someone comes to you and says, hey, Raven Top said this, you're like, no, no, he wouldn't. He would never say that. Or he would never do that because you know him. So no one can fool you that way. So that's the point is to know God that well. All right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's what it. Well, I mean, that's what a lot of people, you know, we don't have to go down this path. But this is exactly what my concern is with the whole Christian nationalism, which I do think ties into the orthodoxy. I think if anybody's likely to engage in something that looks like Christian nationalism nationalism, it may be a lot of these ortho bros. But, you know, are you going towards Christianity or Christian nationalism because you want to know God, you want to know God's plan for you, you want to draw closer to God? Or is it because you can't stand the left and you can't stand the status quo that's been, you know, the status quo in this country for the last, you know, better part of 20 years?

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think one is definitely the wrong reason to start. But I mean, I think God also uses all things. And what might start off as. As sort of a rebellion against that status quo could turn into a genuine love for the Lord.

[Ed Mabry]

He can. He can steer you if you, if you are seeking him, he will get you towards Him. Even if you're, Even if you're going down the wrong path, he can say, okay, I know your heart. You want to. You want to be. Find me, you want to have a relationship with me, but you're going down this path. I can shift you a little bit. Yeah, to the right. But he can do that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I, I think that's Absolutely true.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

It's like, it's. It's such a weird dynamic because from this whole idea of disgust with not just the Catholic side of things and Orthodox side of things, but then looking at the Protestant side of things in just the last week, it had me for like, maybe a couple of minutes or an hour, I was just going like, oh, like, God, how.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

How can you get in a big conversation? And it, like, lit up like a fire.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

But listen, I'm not, I'm not one to not step into a big conversation, but, like, the actual meaning of the conversation on all sides. I'm like, God, how could anything. How could something about you be so gay, like, on all sides of it? And then I go, like, because, you know, we haven't, we haven't been ones to not criticize. We go to a church and we, we'll criticize it there. Like, we'll be like, hey, this is goofy stuff. Sometimes I'm like, hey, you're doing some weird things. Hey, turn to your neighbor and say, no.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

There was a time when I thought the Orthodox Church, I. The general consensus was like, very based, very basic.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

But what, what. I've come to my whole mindset now after all that, it's. It's just crazy. I decided, I called up the pastor Aaron, and I was like, hey, man, I'll play guitar in your church. Now I'm done. I'm like. Because I've decided, like, okay, I. I don't belong to a church. But are we doing something for God? And is God. Is God in the Orthodox Church? Is he in the Catholic church pro. Yeah, yeah, he's there. He's in these other weird Protestant denominations as well. There's a lot of weird stuff going on all around you to go shred for the Lord. Whatever, whatever. Like, whatever I can do. Whatever I can do. Like, this is what I'm. I'm letting the opinions of some of these other people stop me from serving in, in a way that I can. Because you've made a criticism. Because this church is fallen. So is yours. Every. It seems like every single one that I, Every time I look around, it's like, yeah, this is awful. There's. It's awful.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Is man trying to do this thing, you know, inspired by the, The. The divine nature of God?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Trying to do something that is worthy of God, but inherently is made by man.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And it's crazy because my argument with my dad is for the last 20 years has always been, yeah, but look at this church. Look at the people in it. Look at how it goes. Look at the.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a biz. And.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And he just goes, hey, man, just do it to God. And I was like, I don't. This doesn't make any sense to me, what you're saying. Just do it for God. Like, you know, just focus on God. And I was like, I can't. There's so much. But today, this week has put so much in clarity for me.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And it's.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

It's almost such a. It's the craziest contradiction because I should be out of it, but I'm like, no, I'm gonna go more in. I'm gonna go in. I'm church harder. Like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Church is not a building or an organization. Yep. Church. The church. The word church is from the Greek word ecclesia, which means the called out ones. You are part of the body of Christ because you believe in him. It does not matter what. So when you hear the Catholics or the Orthodox who both say this, that we're the one true church, we're the original church, like, no, you aren't, because you don't even have the right definition of church. A church is not an organization. It is a group of people. We are all the church. So our goal should not be to say, my doctrine is better than yours, or, you can only get to God through me. Really? Because Jesus said I could only get to God through him. So which one of you is right? Jesus never said, I have. You have to go through this church and do these rituals and take the Eucharist so many times. Because the Orthodox believing the Eucharist, you don't have to do all these things. That was the opposite, the law. You know, the Pharisees had everyone under the law for their salvation. The law was supposed to lead you to Jesus. It wasn't supposed to be a ritual to get you to God. Now they've just replaced the old law, which Jesus over which Jesus fulfilled and did away with. It's okay now. You don't have to do any of that now. You just come through me and you. They say, okay, but the Catholics and Orthodox say, hey, Jesus, thanks for freeing us from the law. Now we're gonna. Now we're gonna have a new law, A bunch of new laws that. That, you know, we're going to put in place that you never even told us to do. So we're going to replace one group of works with another group of works. So thanks for the freedom, but no thanks. We're. We. We prefer to just keep doing a bunch of Stuff that we make up. And that's what all these things, all these rituals are made up. They're not from the Bible. If they're not from God, then they're from man. There's only two sources of inch, I mean, or from, you know, demonic entities. There's only three sources of intelligence. God, man, and the, and the fallen, the Elohim. The good angels are not going to contradict God, so the bad angels are. So if it's not from God, then it's from someone who's imperfect. And why are you following that? Why are you doing these things? Why are you doing these rituals? Why are you praying to saints? Why are you lighting candles and rubbing beads? And last thing I'll say, I know you want to talk about the disclosure stuff is that these prayers that they give you to say, how insulting is that to God? God is your father. I think about my kids. If my kids want something from me, like my kid just had his birthday last month. My kid's birthday is in April.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Happy birthday.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, Happy birthday, Maxwell. And when he came to, I'm doxing myself. Good Lord. Well, whatever. When I asked him, what do you want for your birthday? We want this. You want to, we want some video game stuff. How would I feel if he said, well, then I can't tell you directly, but I'm going to go talk to my friend over here. I'll have him tell you what I want right here from you. I want to hear from you. I want a relationship with you. So when you have these prayers that are pre written that Catholics say, that orthodox people say, how insulting is that to God? God does not want to have a relationship with someone. What someone else wrote, like it was just Mother's Day. I gave my mother a greeting card. My mother loves greeting cards. I think they're the dumbest thing in the world because there's something that someone else wrote who doesn't know you, doesn't know anyone associated with you. And you give it. My mom loves them, so I give them to her and I, we take her out to brunch. She has her greeting card. She opens, she starts crying. Oh, this is so beautiful. I'm like, okay, I'm glad you like it, mom, but these aren't my words, right? Wouldn't, wouldn't. Isn't it better if I say, hey, mom, I love you, you're great. You know, I appreciate everything you've done for me as opposed to all this stuff. But that's how I see these prayers is they're Like a greeting card to God. God wants to know you uniquely and, and how that dovetails into spiritual warfare and, and coming before God, into His counsel. As you come before God in your uniqueness, I'm gonna. We're gonna teach people how to do that in the course. But here's like a. Another freebie for you. You come before God, it says, enter into his gates with thanksgiving and into his course with praise.

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[Ed Mabry]

What is that? Praise. It's going to be unique to you. Not everyone praises God the same way. You know, I think we talked about this before. When I was growing up in church, my least favorite part was a worship music did nothing for me. And I used to think I was weird because everyone else is praising God. You have their hands up and getting all histrionics and everything like that. And I was just there, stone face, like this. I. I want to get to the teaching. I want to learn about God. But what I. And I used to think that, that there's something wrong with me because I don't like praising God. But I praise God in a unique way. I. I praise God when I'm out in, in, like when I'm on a hiking. Trout. I'm seeing the redwoods around here. And I see. I'm seeing streams or I'm looking at the sky and I'm seeing the stars. I see the grandeur of God. That's when I'm in a. That's when I'm giving Him reverence. And that's the price he wants for me. He doesn't want me to be in church pretending I like worship music. He's like, if you don't like worship music, fine. You praise me in. When you're out in nature, when you're. That's what he wants from me. He doesn't want me to fake it someplace else. My point is bringing it back to you. When you get into God's presence, you get into his presence by. In your uniqueness, in the unique way that you praise Him. That's what he wants. He wants that from You. He doesn't want someone else's words. He wants your stories, your prayers, your life. And if you learn who you are, uniquely which we're teaching, then you're going to know how to enter into God's presence as the person that he wants to have a relationship with.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's why it's, it's rough, you know, and we'll get off it after this, but when the Orthodox church says you're not Christian if you're not Orthodox, it's like, it's very much like the public school system trying to do a one size fits all for every kid. Like every kid learns this way. So you're all going to sit down, you're all going to learn this way, and it's like, no, we've all been made unique by God. And you know, I, I think we all have something different to offer. But like you said, and we all worship in a different way.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Like, when I see it, I go cripplingly boring. Like, I know for sure, I know myself enough to go, I just simply couldn't.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I saw somebody say, simply couldn't. You gotta go there. And it's like two plus hours of, of standing for, you know, whatever. Like, like the church that we go to is like, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. This is like two straight hours of standing. I know that's probably not uniform across every. But I know if you did that to me, I'd be like, oh, I'm simply never coming.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I'm gonna stand up and walk out.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm gonna walk out of here. That's crazy. I gotta stand for two hours every time I come here. So everybody worships in a different way and, and like, yeah, I mean, you know, it's a, it is a one size fits all remedy that a church thinks is the successful implementation onto their flock. But it's very much like the public school system. It's the same fallacy. So, so, you know, on the topic of, of this, these, these pastors, I'm sure you've heard of it, but I'll give a brief overview and I'd like to talk about a little bit. It was this idea that. So attorney Tony Merkel actually organized this. He had some friends of his who used to be in what sounds like military positions, maybe positions within government. No longer the case, but after they left, they pursued this information. They were Christian and they believed that disclosure was imminent. And for however long they've been independent researchers, they've come to some fantastic conclusions. Much of the conclusions that we talk with you about Ed. And so Tony has a relationship with them and he asked them one day after a preliminary meeting if they would be interested in having a secondary follow up meeting with some of Tony's friends. Tony's friends being some pastors. And they get together, they have this conversation. And it is pretty much what we talk about on this show. Fallen angels, fallen angel technology, demonic entities.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Hold on a second.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Gonna have to address this guy, Idaho Hermit, because he's been talking a little bit of in there, just saying, yeah, yeah, you know, the orthodox church will be fine. Too boring. We need tongues. And because, you know, like, there was a clown in the church.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Literally.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Which I make. I want to say.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah, like I said, I don't really

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

like that, Idaho, if you can't call out your own church, you're not allowed to.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

You're in a cult, dog.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And also your cult is saying that they hold the keys of salvation. The church that I go to, they kiss the bones. Yeah, they kiss the bones. I'm just saying, listen, the Protestant churches that have the smoke machines that you've got big problems with, don't violate any of the ten Commandments.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And also, I think you go to.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And what you. Yeah, we, we're actually allowed to say, yeah, smoke machines are kind of gay. Where you go is literally a cult. You're not allowed to because you'll be disbarred from your church if you do step out of line. And if you're disbarred, you lose your salvation. Do you see the problem here?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I have all this freedom to look at that on stage and go, all right, what you just did is gay. But they like block together. The orthodox people glom together. They go, well, actually, it's totally biblical. You kiss the bones.

[Ed Mabry]

$700 is not too much because it

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

goes to the kids that the priests later.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, stop it.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

You're gonna stop it now.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. So, so sorry, Ed.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This is okay.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Sometimes you gotta spank the chat.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's all good. So Tony gets these guys together and. And like I said, the information is what we talked about. Disclosures coming soon. This fallen angel technology. Fallen angels are involved. It's a big deception. There's demonic forces, etc, and they even go as far as saying like. And that is the weeds. That's the weeds. The main focus is Jesus Christ. You're not going to get through this if your focus isn't on Jesus Christ. Yeah, okay, cool. Some months go by. This happens back in like February or something like that. Months go by and all of a sudden a bunch of these pastors come out. Tony doesn't, but these other pastors come out and they start making the rounds and doing media and doing press, and they're saying, government officials, debrief them, prepare your flocks. You know, all this stuff about Reptilians, all these different things. Much of that turns out to not have been the case at all. Tony said, unless there was a different meeting, Reptilians were never talked about and US Government officials were not involved. There's even whisperings of extra coveted secret information that can't be revealed because there's an ongoing criminal case with the US Government. Apparently that never happened either. But this thing has been sensationalized. And then what happens is in the same week, like three days later, the Trump administration administration starts disclosure. And so we've got this first wave of files that's very reminiscent to the Epstein file release. And people are going through it. So far, there's a lot of actual bullshit. We found CIA documents that are just AI produced documents. We found images that are sensationalized to be one thing. Turns out it could be a parachute or a lens flare or anything. It's kind of shaped up to be a nothing burger. And now there's kind of two camps. One is grabbing this story and running with it. Well, look, these pastors have been debriefed by the US Government. And these things are demons, which is kind of the blanket statement. And we've been known to tote that around in a comical sense. And if you ask us, we've got a lot more nuanced thoughts about the nature of, you know, what the alien deception actually is. It's, it's a multifaceted, complex machine, but they're just blanketly saying demons. And, and it's a bit of a clown show. It's laughable. It's cringy. Some of the people, by the way, who are involved do have really strange backgrounds. You know, one of them is accused of, of sexually assaulting 12 women who he then told if they say anything, he's going to kill himself. Another guy claims to be a prophet, that God speaks to him. I mean, who knows? I don't know if we're still in, in the era of prophets. I don't really. I'm not smart enough to know that. I just know as soon as I hear that, I go, all right, dude, I don't know what we're talking about here. And then the other side of it is, holy shit, look at these clowns they think it's demons. They've basically given a black eye to research like yours or like anybody who's been actually, you know, fascinated by this topic, trying to understand it, coming to conclusions that this can be fully understood through a biblical lens. And so have you seen all of this happening?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I've seen them. I started saying the first time I saw it was when you guys did a show like pretty soon after it started to go public with, I forget the, the name of the preacher. He said, he said he's looked like Guy Fieri. I forget his name. But I, I know that was, that

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

was Peter something or I could be wrong. The guy who just got exposed, by the way, for 12 sexuals. That's what's happening.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Feel dirty.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. So I first heard, saw it on one of your episodes. And then I, I, I, you mentioned Tony. So I'll go to his channel to see what he's talking about it, what he's saying. And so here's where I am with it. So I, I always take, like, take a step back and look at the big picture and say, okay, what, what's happening here? What is, what's the goal that's trying to, that's being accomplished or someone wants to accomplish? Because whenever anything becomes part of the zeitgeist, very rarely is it natural. I don't think, I don't know if anything even goes really viral anymore on its own. I think a lot of things are controlled. So I look at how is this going to benefit the people who are at the top. And at the very top is not, not any human organization. It's the, the fallen angels, Fallen Elohim and what they want. Because I remember last year, almost a year ago, when we were talking about. Yeah, it was probably over the summer. Last year was like right when I was about to go to, to tape an episode with, with Merkel. We were talking about Disclosure and Three Eye Atlas and all that stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You actually asked us, Ed, you said, what makes you think, oh, that was it, that was it? He said, because you, you know, you're looking at, he's like, why retards think

[Ed Mabry]

this is gonna happen?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Like, why do you think disclosure is going to happen? We go, actually, here's why. And then here we are. And, and we're going down that path.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, and what, and I think my response was, you know, I'm not, I, I think eventually that it is going to happen, but I think it's, I think it's going to happen at the very beginning of the Dark times. I mean, like post rapture or simultaneous with that. Nice. Because we were also talking about, oh, the rapture is going to happen like last September. And I was like, whatever. I, and I, and I said, like, if the rapture happens In September, then 3 Eye Atlas is going to be a big deal in November. If it doesn't happen, then it's going to be nothing. And that's pretty much not that I'm prophetic. I think I'm just going with what I believe in the Bible. So in the big picture, there is going to have to be disclosure because I believe, again, this is not what thus saith the Lord is what thus saith Ed Mabry's theory, which is that when we get to the, the sixth seal, which in, in Revelation chapter six, when the, when the stars of heaven, which is an idiom for the fallen angels, they're going to be cast down to earth and they are going to be forced here, and they're going to. Forced here to materialize, for lack of a better term. And I think, I think that the alien thing is going to be their cover story. I think it's a great, not, maybe it's a different cover story, but I think they're going to say that we are your space brothers. We are ascended masters. We are, you know, we are your creators or whatever. So I believe that that disclosure is going to be a part of that.

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[Ed Mabry]

Liberty, Liberty. Liberty, Liberty. And. But what? The last thing they want is for people to say, oh, no, no, you're fallen angels. You're, you're demonic entities. So what do you want to do? Discredit anyone who has that idea? It's like when I remember, you know, during COVID when people were talking about, was it Ivermectin as a possible treatment for it? And what it. What came out after that? Oh, that's just that that's horse medicine. That's horse dewormer or whatever. And so it became a big joke. I remember this, this girl I used to date. I'm still on Facebook with For stupid reasons. No, nothing like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

She's.

[Ed Mabry]

She missed about tough for you. But we still talk, we're still friends. And she was doing the whole horse dewormer thing. I'm like, well, just because a horse can take it as. I mean, I mean, if I feed my dog filet mignon doesn't mean. Filet mignon is dog food. So if it. Maybe it works on multiple species, it works on us and works on them. So don't dismiss it because of that. But what they did in what went viral was these crazy conspiracy theorists are telling you to take horse pills to fight Covid.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So.

[Ed Mabry]

And if that was a legitimate treatment, which I think, you know, I think is a really good anti parasitic Ivermectin. But my point is that they've. They've labeled something that could be helpful and right as, you know, clownish. So you're not going to take it seriously. So if now when, when disclosure happens and I, I like you believe that there are demonic aspects to it. And from what I was hearing about the. These meetings, I think they were saying that yes, some of it is demonic and some of it is just like demonic technology, that human beings are flying. Some of these things or are there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They have.

[Ed Mabry]

Some of it is like actual terrestrial technology. Other. Some of it is truly fallen angel tech or demonic or that sort of thing, which I think I have no problem with that. I think that's, that's feasible. But if they, if they're able to make it clownish, then people are gonna say, oh, that's just these crazy Christians. Again, I don't know if you guys remember this. This was. There was like a rash of movies that came out like between. It was before COVID maybe like in the mid 2010s that were all like dissing the rapture.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Oh, really?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, I wasn't aware of that.

[Ed Mabry]

There were a few. I don't remember the names of them now because, yeah, it was like, you know, over 10 years ago. But they were like. That was called one. This is the end. It was one of them. There was another one with the guy from the office, like the black guy who's actually really funny guy. He has kind of has a bit of an afro kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, he did one that was also disparaging Rapture. And it came out like in the same year. I'm like, this is weird, but I wonder if there again, they were. They were comedies that were making fun of people who believed in the rapture, just clowning it. So bigger picture of all of this is. These entities don't know God's timetable. They know. I believe they think that I believe we're near. I think they know that we're near. They know that things are in place and they need to have their cover story. So I think they're ready for it. Because if you, if you think about it, you, you would ask the question, like, what, what is, what is Satan waiting for? What are all these fallen entities waiting for? I mean, they have, they have control of our economics throughout, through the, you know, the families who control of our money, the big bankers. They have control of all of our military. They have control of our entertainment system. They. Why don't they just do the thing? Why don't they bring in an Antichrist and just subject everyone to his new religion?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Why?

[Ed Mabry]

Because they can't do it until God takes his spirit, until the restrainer is lifted. So I think they're ready for disclosure. People have this idea that Satan and is like, it's like the emperor in Star Wars. He's just like, you know, sitting on his throne, saying, you know, good, good, my plan is slowly coming together. He's waiting. He's not waiting for anything. He's, he would have done it 100 years ago, a thousand years ago if he could have. They're not waiting. They want to do their thing. They want to implement their plan, but the Holy Spirit's restraining them. But they know that that restraining power is, is, is, is waning. And I believe that they would have wanted to do disclosure last year. They would have wanted Three Eye Atlas to be the instrument through which they brought in their, their ufo, whatever to Project Bluebeam. But I believe what's happening is that God saying, not yet, I'm still restraining. But they want to do it. And so they keep having, they have to have these things on deck ready to go. That's, that's my personal belief there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's interesting because. Go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

No, I'm saying I, I'd agree with that. It's just, you know, the, our, my main problem with whatever happened with the pastors there is like, it's just goofy as hell. It's goofy. It's, it's a media day for you guys. And, and, and in that media day too, yeah, you took advantage of somebody that put you on to something that, to be honest, you probably shouldn't even been on because you guys just, you guys run churches and you're not really interested in this stuff, but you see that there's money in it. So that's what you're doing that.

[Ed Mabry]

And, you know, they want the clicks and views, too. And it's unfortunate. A lot of these people who, I mean, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when I see someone on YouTube or whatever other social media speaking about Christ. And I want to believe that you're sincere, but I think, like, like you were saying before Top, you just get disappointed in these people. You're like, you know what you're not. You're just another scam artist. Some of these people, and I'll name names, I don't really care. Like, what's his name? By Johnny Z or something? Or what's his.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, Joseph Z. That's the guy, I think that is supposed to be a prophet.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

He's one of the guys that was there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, he's one of them. Well, he wasn't there. He wasn't there. He just is a guy that started collecting these guys and then reporting on it, like, you know, with all this

[Ed Mabry]

gusto, and he's one of them. I. I started listening to him for a little while to see what he was like, and then I just. He was doing something, saying some things that I thought were, like, really wrong and, and not biblical. And so I had to get away from him. And they're, they're, you know, just like quite a few of them. And it's. It's disappointing to hear.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think it could be, if I was going to be charitable with my analysis. Let's say you are just running a church and you have this, albeit stupid idea that these more fringe, supernatural elements are to be discarded or not to be paid attention to. And then all of a sudden you get sat down in a meeting with some people who seem very serious and seem like they know what they're talking about and have a lot of answers to your questions. And they're rooted in Christ because that's their main message is.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I don't think. I don't think that any of these people never believed in the supernatural aspects of the Bible. I think that they did. I think that they preached on up until recently other things because they realized that money is not there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Like, you're not going to get a big congregation.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Congregation retention is not in this subject, but in this time period. Like what? Like how Ed asked us a couple months ago. Why do you think now? I was like, well, you know, we've kind of done the math here, and it looks like. And that was last year or something like that. Yeah, these people have caught on a little bit later, but they've caught on to a pattern.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, that's what it is.

[Ed Mabry]

Gross.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They got very excited. You know, you sat down and all of a sudden they told you this, and you go, oh, my God. And for us, if you told us this, we'd go, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Oh, no.

[Ed Mabry]

You know, but now I can have a conference. Now I can have the big disclosure conference, and you can come all to Branson, Missouri, and I'm gonna rent out this, this big plaza and buy all the ticket. And now you can. Yeah, there you go. Do it.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Bring the, Bring your smoke machine. But like, hell, yeah, you're gonna drag. You're gonna drag the guy that, that set you up with this stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, that's. They didn't think they were dragging him, but that's what they did. And consider any of that, they use

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

them as a useful idiot, which maybe you did deserve if you let them use you like that. And that's what happened. Yeah, it's. It's sad, but I. I think it'll be fine.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It gets a little bit weird because I. I think I agree with Ed in the sense of the spiritual puppeteering that's happened because the timing is very odd. Odd. And I definitely don't think that the pastors or that even the guys that were in the Airbnb meeting disseminating the information had the ability to get Donald Trump's administration to pull the trigger on UFO disclosure.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

So the meeting happened February 20th.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, what I mean specifically is, like, all of a sudden, they started talking about it and this big media tour happened. And then three days later, you know, disclosure starts happening, or disclosure in air quotes, because so far it's yielded not really anything tremendous. It is a fascinating look at how things are moving on the world stage. But otherwise, it's been a bit of a nothing burger. But what else has happened is you have. This is something we were talking about on maybe yesterday's episode. Anna Paulina Luna, the congresswoman, I think, out of Florida, who I've been pretty harsh on because she just. It's just one of those things where I. I call it discernment. It's just something feels really off with her. Used to be a stripper. Now she's threatening publicly the CIA to return the documents that were stolen off Tulsi Gabbard's desk regarding JFK's assassination, MK Ultra. And also she's spearheading UFO disclosure. So a stripper from Florida is threatening the DIA, the state government. What are we talking about here? These people peeled the cat back of jfk Next to his wife. If you believe that, that's what happened. But Anna Paulina Luna, who's, you know, 97 pounds, is threatening them on national television. So there's this weird hero song and dance that we're getting. I call it a little divine feminine. Her last name is Luna. The. The moon is a symbol of the divine.

[Ed Mabry]

Is that her real name?

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[Ed Mabry]

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no, it's not. It's not her real name, actually.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

So, you know, we don't want to get into anti Semitic lore, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Jewish or something.

[Ed Mabry]

I was just going to talk about how a lot of these pastors who I've been disappointed with, I've just found out they were taking, like, massive money from Israel. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. But some of these pastors who I've been, you know, listening to, okay, he seems pretty decent. All of a sudden they're like, you know, super hyper Zionist. I'm like, what's happening then? Then it turns out they're getting money from. It's like, dude, so you're selling your, Your, your pulpit to the highest bidder. That's. I can't follow anymore. I know you're for sale.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

There's an eerie overlap. And this is why I'm saying, like, yeah, shots. I mean, shots fired on all ends here. I'm shooting at every church. The Orthodox church is pretty good on what Israel is. They kind of see it and they go, yeah, that's not. Not great. But these guys, the same people that we were talking about, they're all. They're all of the Zionist flavor. And, you know, previously, I. People didn't forget there was a thousand prominent pastors in Israel getting directions from the government of Israel on how to preach to their congregation. And now they're telling us that, well, they wanted it to seem that pseudo government actors were telling them how to preach to their congregation about aliens. And I'm like, this rhymes and I don't like it. I like, I'm out. I don't want to. I don't want to be next to that.

[Ed Mabry]

I think there's some connective tissue there. Definitely.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's. It's. It's uncanny. It's a. It's a sort of a political conspiratorial aligning of the stars, you know, in. In the way that all these things are coming out. And it's honestly been giving me a lot of pause. Annapolina Luna or Annapolina Gamberski. She's also on Rogan's podcast, and she's talking about the Nephilim. She's talking about the fallen. She's talking about the Book of Enoch.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But she's also spreading a lot of doubt about sort of the. The validity of the King James version of the Bible. And she's. I believe she's on Rogan saying that, you know, King James changed things in the Bible to appease his wife. Which is factually incorrect, right?

[Ed Mabry]

No, so completely. King James, he was the executive producer. He had nothing to do with the actual. He wasn't even educated enough to. Anyway. Yeah, you know, that's wrong. Oh, by the way, did you guys think. Because when I first heard this, you know, Christian folk coming out and giving pastors this information, first thing that popped in my mind was, oh, it's like the Collins Elite. Did that ever cross your mind?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, it actually did shout out to Gans from Canary Cry Radio, because he just posted a really simple question where he goes, this is. This sounds like the Collins elite. And I said, well, damn, I guess it kind of does, because, no, it's certainly not.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The guys who disseminated the information, they are not embedded in the government in any meaningful way whatsoever. They're independent researchers.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

They're guys that may have been in the army that have had, like, you

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

know, maybe even higher positions, but they don't hold those positions anymore. And they're not. It's been a long time, is my understanding, but.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

But the aim is the same, though.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, that group of pastors has created the Collins Elite. Right. That's almost what you might imagine that when they were filled with all that zeal about, like, look at this information, and look what we get to go like, they were. We're like the Collins Elite.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Well, the purpose of the Collins Elite, in the end of the day is. Is not to do anything political politically. I think it's more of, like, this social opinion movement, and they're going to paint Christians as standing in the way

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

of progress, which is going to be a big problem.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Which is exactly what they. What the pastors are lined up to do here anyway, because they just look foolish. And to the general public, you know, when Daily Mail writes about it, it's like these guys are standing in the way of progress.

[Ed Mabry]

Like, Ellie Marzulli talks about that as well. Like, you know, that's. That's going to be the excuse for when possibly a rapture excuse. No, we got rid of the people who were standing in the way. They were. They were holding you back from your ascension to whatever Age of Aquarius.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, that was actually my massive gripe and. And I think almost my singular focus when it came to the Timothy Albarino contention was this way, that he wasn't pushing back against it. He was also agreeing with it. Because in that Age of Disclosure documentary that came out with Lou Elizondo, they basically said, there's, you know, I'm paraphrasing. They were much more charitable than this. But I was saying there's some backwards people with some religious ideologies that are standing in the way of progress because they want to label everything demons or the devil. And I said, huh, that's fascinating. That's a fascinating little thing to toss into that documentary. And then, of course, listening to Albarino break down that documentary, he echoed the same sentiment. And he said that their hearts were in the right place, but that they were doing the wrong thing and they were standing in the way of progress. And I said, that's dangerous. That's really dangerous. So I brought that to his attention. And, you know, who knows how that really went? I don't even remember. But here we are again. And now it's like. And it just happened. It just happened. They just did a thing. I don't know who they are. I don't know. It's not the Jews. It's not the Deep State. It's not, you know, an army of guys dressed like Indiana Jones. Something just happened, you know, maybe it was moved by a spiritual.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Well, Owen Benjamin was on Tucker Carlson show today and he was talking about the nature of Tucker was like, so when you got canceled, who canceled you? And he was like, well, I went through, you know, and. And I. We had the privilege of. Of watching Owen spiral and go through this.

[Ed Mabry]

Who did it?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Who was the.

[Ed Mabry]

Who?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

He was like, was it the Democrats? Was it the. The Muslims?

[Ed Mabry]

Was it the Jews?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Was it. And then he goes, yeah, I came down to like, the. He's like, it's a spiritual disposition. It's like this glob, this amorphous glob, this idea that no matter. Like, you can Pick one person and crucify him. And it still goes.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You're never gonna get rid of it.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

You're never gonna get rid of. It's an idea. And nobody, nobody seems to step forward and say, it's my idea. But everybody has the idea, you know, so it's like, it's a spiritual thing. There is a disposition. It's. I, we'd say demons. I'd say demons.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I mean, demons. Demonic. You know, it's. It's mincing. It's semantics almost. Right. In other words, I, I kind of do agree with what these guys said in that meeting. You get into the weeds about what is it? Is it a meat suit? Is it a this and that? It's like, right, focus on Christ, because this thing is the enemy. And, and that's really. And the enemy has a lot of faces. And, and even historically speaking, it does seem that it has the ability to shape shift even with that. With it. And I don't mean like shape shift, like reptilian style. I mean, through different seasons, like throughout American history at, you know, if we just look at that, it has appeared differently. It was little green dudes at one point in silver suits. Those were the reports that were coming out. And then it morphs endlessly. And so you have an array of, you know, a bunch of different creatures, multitudes of creatures. And. And so it's almost like, yeah, the form does not matter. Is this form versus function? If the form is constantly in flux, then you need to stop looking at the form and start looking at the function. And the function is, it is deceptive. It hates human beings. It seems it's in opposition to God and it constantly spreads a gnostic gospel. And so that's a pretty important thing to keep in focus.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. But I always say when people talk about, you know, is there real, Is there other life in the universe, biological life? I say, okay, well, let's look at how these aliens behave. Why would they fly hundreds of millions of light years to Earth just to tell us the same lies the serpent in the Garden of Eden, that you can be God. Yeah. And why, why? And that. That the Bible isn't real? Like, really? That's. That's what you came here to tell us? Thanks for that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, you know, I, I don't know where things are, are going, but it feels like the landscape is rapidly evolving. And even, even Annapoli, this is something Top and I were discussing yesterday, where we're kind of being ungrateful babies because Annapolina Luna comes out and Like I said, threatens. The CIA, says, hey, you know, give up the, the documents on, on JFK and MK Ultra.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Documents.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Give us the documents or else I'm gonna, you know, dance on you. And so it, you know, for us, I do believe that the worst lap dance ever. Take you to the back room. I'm gonna. That one day the things I've said about Anapole and Luna will come back. So we might be. So we think that MK ULTRA has a lot to do with the alien abduction phenomenon in general. Because I think that a lot of the tactics that they've become privy to in regards to sort of fracturing the minds of human beings and causing disassociative states, gaining access to spiritual realms and, and various forms of psychic or psionic abilities. I think they came to understand how to do that first through channeling and through ritual. You know, I think that these things were occult practices long before they were ever done by anybody in a lab coat in an official capacity. And so I, I think that a lot of what we anticipate, or rather interpret as abduction could well be a, a mask for the same phenomenon. When you're. They used to take johns from whorehouses and they would dose them and they would, you know, put them on LSD and they do all these experiments on them. Now I think that a lot of times they're showing you something that you perceive as a gray or something like that could well be just because the testimony says so. When people get abducted, there's often the presence of medical personnel, scientific personnel, military personnel.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Among the array of, of cowled insectoids and all these other things. So it seems to be that they're working in tandem. And I think that whatever they're working on is, you know, besides the hybridization program, there's, there's also the fruits of MK Ultra. So now that she's saying this.

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[Ed Mabry]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

There's a long winded way of getting to this. Me and Top are kind of sitting

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

here going, I don't give a fuck.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, not just that, we don't give a fuck. It's like, so everything we thought is true. Like, that just feels like bullshit. It just. I. Maybe it's not bullshit, but you would think we'd be doing like a victory lap. And instead I think I'm just more confused maybe than I've ever been.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, honestly, when. When my. When. When my friend's biblical ideas start to become mainstream, that scares me. Like, okay, what are you trying. Are you trying to co opt it or whatever? And I was asked by somebody about, you know, the. The Grays versus the Reptilians versus the. The. The. The Pleiadians who are. Who look like, you know, really beautiful human beings. And so you have to keep something in mind is that we have this. When we look at what angels look like, all we have these. We have, like, you know, the paintings from medieval times or whatever with. Yeah, they're wearing robes with big bird wings. No, what we do know from the actual Bible is that there are angels that, Elohim, that look like reptiles. They're called the seraphim.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

They're dragons, basically. They're flying, fiery serpents. And you also have the cherubim. One has a face like a man, one. The other one has a face like a. A cow. One looks like an eagle. One looks like a. Yeah, yeah, man, lion, eagle and. And cow. Yeah, an ox. So they look different. And so maybe the. One. Maybe the Pleiadians are the. So what I'm saying is I. You could technically put angels into, like, these racial categories as well. They're different races. And so the seraphim are reptilian. You have, you know, the ones. There are several in the Bible that look like Oxa, Bulls of Bashan. They're. So what if you're just saying these different races of angels, these Reptilians, are seraphim. What if the Pleiadians are the ones that look like humans? And then. Which kind of gives you a whole chicken and egg thing, you know, because God created the angels first, then he created, you know, our material work life. And so what if he said, you know, I'm going to make some of. I'm going to just base life on my angels. I'm going to make. I'm gonna. I'm gonna create cattle to look like my angels here. I'm going to create birds look like this one. So what if instead of angels looking like cows, cows look like certain angels?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think that that could well be the case. You know, and it's a spiritual principle that, as above so below is a spiritual principle, and we've talked about that in the sense of the fractal nature of reality. How, you know, there are systems and there are patterns that we can observe here. But if you go down onto, you know, the quantum level or the microscopic level, you can see that a lot of these, you know, like the Fibonacci sequence, let's say, in like a pine cone or something like that. But if you look at it on a molecular level, you can still see that, you know, to some degree there's a Fibonacci sequence. So you go, okay, it doesn't matter if it's in the macro or the micro. There seems to be this, this echoing of systems or this echoing of laws and principles.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You know that that is not diminished by space or time or anything like that. So if you continue zooming out and you zoom out to these heavenly realms, could it be that many of the systems that we think, you know, we, I mean, over and over again, you look at the people of antiquity, their gods, which are likely fallen angels, gave them various systems. Those systems are more than likely then emulations of heavenly systems.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Nothing new under the sun.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Nothing new under the sun. So if it's, if it's in systems and, and then to your point with the cherubim and, you know, the various faces, all it takes is for us to not be quite aware of all the array of angels. And, and through that lens you might say, well, maybe there is a counterpart, a heavenly counterpart to every creature that exists on Earth that God created. You know, not the chimeric nightmare that gets created in labs, you know, in, in China. It's happening in America too. But, you know, in these. Under deep underground military bases. But the natural world is a sort of mirror. Maybe then to, to the heavenly realms. I think that that makes a lot of sense, especially just given that our God is a God of order.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So then why not. Why wouldn't that be the case?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I mean, imagine if there is disclosure and then there's, you know, the, and they, when they, when they come down in the sixth seal and one of them looks like a cow, says, yeah, I'm the one who made the cows. And one could look like a reptile. Yeah, I'm the one who made, you know, reptiles. And I'm the one who made lions. Yeah, that's me.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's, that's why we want like the, the praying mantis.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I don't have one for the insectoids. That's the only one that's that's kind of doesn't fit in my pattern.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think, though, that, that you might not see that with Grays, just because grays seem to be. Well, maybe you will, because you had that whole instance with Aleister Crowley and Lamb, and Lamb probably wasn't some sort of a hybridized nightmare creature. You know, whatever spiritual form that showed itself to Aleister Crowley after he finished doing poop magic, it probably existed independent of. Of man's. Unless it's like, you know, you want to get into tulpas or something like that. But I, you know, I can see that a lot of what's being revealed could be revealed in this way. Like you've said Ed to. To discredit it or to make a mockery of it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You know, because even Annapolina Luna, I sort of cringe when she. You said earlier, every time somebody talks about some. What was previously a fringe biblical idea that you subscribe to, when they talk about it on a big platform, you know, it's, it's very strange. And I don't know that anybody who's been talking about these things is entirely reputable. There was a bishop, a Catholic bishop, I think, or a Catholic priest on Sean Ryan who was saying that in their exorcisms these things will often manifest as what looks like a gray.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And I thought that was really fascinating. And that guy wasn't a stripper or. Well, maybe I don't know what he was doing before he was a Catholic priest, but, you know, so. Or during Catholic priest, who knows? So I guess there are some. But at the same. In the same breath, he is in an echo of antiquity, like what people mock as, you know, because he's wearing the garb. And I'm not saying there's anything, you know, I'm not going to get on the Catholics for wearing the dresses. I'm just saying when people see that there's this Catholic priest dressed in. In the traditional garb on Sean Ryan's show saying when we exercise demons, sometimes they appear as grays. You're literally. You look mockable to anybody who's already got an atheistic bend, you know, if their God is Neil Degrasse Tyson also.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I mean, now he's writing. He's writing books about UFOs, which is bizarre, but okay. Yeah, yeah, he's. He's embraced the Griff. So God bless.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Hey, we need a new Billy Carson, so, you know, we gotta have another. Actually, I think the new Billy Carson is that guy of Dr. Dr. Jang.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I've actually not listened to anything. People are like, he is crushing. I'm like, I don't. I haven't listened to anything that Dr. Zhang has said.

[Ed Mabry]

He is a Chinese. He's. He's the Chinese Billy Carson.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Ah, there you go.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

We need that. Did we do that?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know if anybody was asking for that.

[Ed Mabry]

Don't need that on my bingo card. No, not at all.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No.

[Ed Mabry]

He does the same thing. He claims to be. He claims to be. Actually, Jay Dyer exposed the crap out of him. He claims to be a professor. He basically was a middle school teacher. He said he went to Yale, but it wasn't the Yale. You know, on the east coast, he, There's a Yale and there's a Yale University in China. That's the one he went to.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm gonna start calling myself doctor. Dr. David.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Who's gonna stop us, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Really?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Who's, who is gonna.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

But listen, Edward, we're getting towards. I wanted to, I wanted to. Like, I know we've, we've wasted so much time talking about disclosure and priests and stuff like this, but fine. You've been, you've been working on more of your Genesis series and I. Yeah. Kind of want to hear.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You were talking about Kane earlier.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I'm actually getting into. I just wrapped up Original Sin. I, I've been taking my time going through it very slowly. Obviously because of so much things are picking up now. Instead of doing like, you know, a verse at a time in the whole show, I'm doing like a whole chapter now. So I just, I just finished recording chapter four, which is, you know, the Cain and Abel narrative. I gotta edit it and get it up. But then after that, I'm going to do a bonus episode on the. The mythology of Cain because Genesis chapter four is the only thing, only narrative we have about Cain. He's mentioned a few other times in the Bible. You know, Jude talks about him briefly. You know, he's mentioned here and there. But there's so much mythology that people have, are just force feeding into what Cain and what he did. And so, for example, like, you know, who, who was Cain's actual parents were Adam and Eve Cain's parents. There's, there's, there's myth that actually Eve had sex within the cash, the serpent. And that's how Cain came to be. And there's another one that said that God was, was Cain's father. Because Eve says, you know, once, when Cain is born, you know, I had, I had a man with the help of the Lord. Oh, does that mean that you know, God came in here and got freaky with, with Eve and, and there's a lot to that, you know. And you know who did, where, where did Kane get his wife? And that comes back to the right, the pre Adamic civilizations which I think is pretty easily debunked. It contradicts the Bible about that. But, but there's a lot there's there then what Cain's son has, Kane has a son named Enoch. And that's where you get the idea of Enochian magic, which is a different Enoch than the, the Enoch who's the descendant of Seth where we get, you know, the pseudo pickerful book of Enoch is based on him. So but there's just a lot of that, you know, that Cain's line was evil and that they did all these different things. And I'm going to get into that in that series but I want to start with the truth of what actually happened that you know, so you have, you have Cain and Abel, you know, so she has. And why did Cain kill him? I mean was it just jealousy over what God felt about their offerings? That seems like a little extreme, but there's some nuance to it. So the first thing is that Cain is the physical descent, the physical son of Adam and Eve. The Bible is very clear. It said Adam knew his wife Eve sexually and she bore Cain. It's pretty straightforward. And when she says, you know, I have, I, I have a man with the help of a Lord, she's just basically praising God for her first child. And so Cain and Abel were the first two male children of Adam and Eve, but they also had daughters. It says in chapter five that Adam lived for 930 years and has sons and daughters. So there were daughters intermixed with that. But in most biblical genealogies only the males are listed because the seed goes with the male and that sort of thing. So that, because, so there were daughters, that's who came married. He married one of his sisters most likely. Or he could have married, I know, nasty. He could have married one of his nieces. Why? Because if you, if you grew up in the church, you had your Sunday school book and you see the pictures of Cain and Abel, they look like they were like teenagers or in their 20s. No, you look at the genealogy, they were middle aged, they were between 50 and 80 years old. So at his youngest Abel was 50 and oldest Kane was 80. And if they had daughters in between that, that was more than enough time for daughters to be of marrying age or Abel could Have married. Let's say Abel got married to one of his sisters at 30. By the time he was 50, if that's the age he was then he could have had a, a marrying age daughter. It could have been a niece. So that's one thing to keep in mind. Other thing is that, you know, what was, what was the offering difference? Well, Cain was a farmer. He, you know, he said he had the fruit of the ground and Abel kept sheep. Why did he keep sheep? Was it for wool? Well, that wouldn't, that wouldn't be reasonable to have sheep for 50 years. No. And they didn't eat meat at this time. Human beings did not eat, start eating meat until after the flood. That's when God said, now you need to eat meat. Nothing's because, you know, the environment changed so dramatically that we need the nutrients that came from meat. But before that everyone was vegan, which, you know, means everyone was annoying because, you know, vegans are annoying.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Everybody was annoying.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, everybody was annoying. Vegan, everyone. I'm a vegan every day. That's what vegans do.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That explains the murder. Yeah, Insufferable, that.

[Ed Mabry]

There you go. He said he came on to eat meat. I don't care. It's murder.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh my God.

[Ed Mabry]

He was keeping sheep because that's, that was a sacrifice. That was the sacrifice, the shedding of bloods for remission of sin. Even though that was codified in Leviticus, it was these blood was blood sacrifices were how you covered sin. That's what, you know, the first sacrifice was what God did when he sacrificed an animal to make skin for clothing for Adam. Made from the animal skin. So they know that you have to shed blood. It was a symbol of how, of skin, of the, of remission of, of blood sacrifice. So that's what Adam. So Abel's job was to raise sheep for. So they sacrificed for their sins on a regular basis. So if they're both middle aged, that means this isn't their first offering to God. So for all Cain's life, his 60, 70, 80 years, he'd been regularly sacrificing sheep. But this time he says, you know what, I'm going to sacrifice. I'm not. I don't want my brother's sheep. I'm gonna, I'm good enough. I've raised really good crops. I'm going to sacrifice this to God. And God said, no, I don't want it. Not because it wasn't his best, because I was growing up in church. When I grew up in church, I was taught that you know, Cain didn't give God his best offering, his best grains and zucchini or whatever he was growing at the time. That's why I say that, because I don't like zucchini, that's why. No, it wasn't that. It was that. It wasn't God's denoted sacrifice for sin. He tried to Ed.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Why do you think then that. What drove him to. To do that? Like, is this like a how come he gets to raise the sacrifices kind of a deal?

[Ed Mabry]

Here's my theory. And again, this is a theory, but I think it makes sense. So the chapter before this is chapter four, chapter three, original sin. God pronounces his judgments on Adam and Eve and the nakash. And his. The judgment on the nakash is. One of the judgments is that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent of the head of the nakash, meaning that a descendant of Eve, a male descendant of Eve, is going to be the Messiah, the savior who's going to undo the. What the nakasha did, is going to undo what the serpent did and bring everyone back to Eden. Remember, Adam and Eve, they weren't eating. They love. It was great. And so Eve knows, okay, one of my descendants, one of my male descendants is going to be the one to reverse this, and we're going to get to go back to Eden. It's going to be awesome. Notice that God didn't put a time frame on that for Eve's sake. Now we know that the seed of the woman was Jesus, which was about 3,000, three plus thousand years later. Long time. But for all Eve knew, her next kid, her first son, is the Messiah

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

getting back to the garden.

[Ed Mabry]

So imagine you're Cain. Wow. You grow up for 50, 60, 70 years thinking you're the guy, you're the hero, you're gonna be the Messiah, you're gonna make everything right. You're gonna get us back to Eden. And then one day you say, you know what? I'm. I'm the guy. I'm the Messiah. I'm the. I'm the king here. I'm going to give God. You can take my best. God says, nope, I prefer what your brother gave. Oh, you mean I'm not the Messiah. I mean, my brother is. How do I rectify this? Well, if there's no more Abel, then I'm. Then I'm the only male heir left. I get to be the Messiah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's a crazy thought.

[Ed Mabry]

I like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I mean, I can see.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Very Jewish because it's like

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

God. Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But it is like, you can see the logic behind that. That makes a lot of sense. This is what I'm talking about, man. Like the ability to humanize these characters from the Bible so they're not just this cave painting. It's not just a hieroglyphic. It's not just a concept or. Or an analogy or a metaphor. These are real people. That's a. A really excellent way because. Meshes so well with human nature.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Think of it this way. And also look at what happened. So first. The first thing that happens. Okay. Is that they do this. Different sacrifices. It says that Jehovah respected or. Or acknowledged Abel's sacrifice, but for Keynes, he didn't. And then it says Cain got pissed. He said he was wroth. If you look at the King James, that means you're beyond wrath. Wrath is like wrath on steroids. And he was just hot. But he hadn't done anything yet. And God does something. God asked him a question. He does something different than he did with Adam and Eve. God waited until Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. Then he asked some questions. He said, where are you? What have you done? Giving them the opportunity to respond. This goes back to what original sin is. Original sin was not the eating of the fruit. Original sin was their response. Because if eating the forbidden fruit was original sin, then God would have judged him right then. No. God asked them questions. He said, what have you done? What is he doing? He was giving them a chance to confess and repent. But what did Adam do to Adam? Say, God, you know, I disobeyed you. I. I'm sorry. That was my. My bad. I think God could have forgiven him. But what did he do? He said, nope, God, it's your fault for giving me this woman. If you hadn't given me this hoe. She's the one who did it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. I mean, he's like, it was her.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. And so then he's, okay, you're done. He goes, eve, what did you do? What? What did you. Oh, it wasn't. It was in the gosh. It was a servant. Okay? Both of you failed, so now you're not taking responsibility. So this time he gets ahead of it. Cain hadn't sinned yet. And God says, you know, why are you mad? Why? Why? Why? As my mom would say, fix your face. He said his countenance fell in. The King James says, you know, cheer up. You know, fix your face. Said, if you do good, good things will happen. But if you do evil, sin is crouching at the door. And its desire is to overtake you, but you can overcome it. There's a lot in that verse. First of all, he. It almost seems like sin is sentient. There's some kind of spirit. It says, sin is crouching at the door and it's desire is for you. You can't have a desire unless you have sentience. So that gets into some weird things about what sin actually is. And God's ability, not just God, but the, the spiritual entities, their ability to see sin, they knew. And so God says, sin is crouching at the door and it desires to overtake you, but you can overcome it. So he's saying, you're mad, you want to do something bad, don't do it. But what does Cain do? It says, Cain talked to his brother and he went, and they went into the field. And if you actually read it in context, he's saying he talked to talk Abel into going into the field. So he took Abel away from everything and he rose up and he killed him. And then when he killed him, what did God do next? God didn't judge immediately. Got to the same thing he did with Adam and Eve. He asked, he said, where's your brother? And Cain said, I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper? So God must be exhausted.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's like dealing with kids. Like, you know, we have kids, right?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

So I was just thinking about the idea of the sacrifices. Like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

So if, if. It could have been if, if Ed's correct. And it could have been, hey, man, yeah, I ate from the tree, but my bad.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Imagine.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And God's like, well, now he's like, I'm gonna make you guys do something real stupid now too. Like instead of just, you know, you could have asked for forgiveness here, but now I'm gonna make you do all this dumb. And it's probably funny, like something you do to a kid.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Stand in the corner, you know, when

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Ed's talking about the, the sort of personification of sin crouching at the door. I was also thinking earlier about this idea that this system is really great. And then iniquity comes in through what happens in the garden. And it's like a spiritual domino that kicks off all this. So now you have to sacrifice these sheep, sleep regularly in order to clear yourself of this sin. And then like, obviously a much more intense and final solution has to happen 3, 000 years later with the coming of Christ.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But it's like whatever happens here is a spiritual domino that falls over in the garden and then has unbelievable we can't see it. Right. God can see it. So this system probably still makes a lot of sense. In fact, I wonder if there's ever a way to just to understand that, like, oh, my God, I see exactly why you have to do this thing now. You have to sacrifice these animals. You know, there's a. You have to adhere to the law. For until the law is fulfilled by the coming of Christ and all these different things. If you could see it like you would watch a domino. Because otherwise, let's say you know what it's like. You ever see those elaborate mousetraps? I liken it to a mousetrap, but it's like a. You know, you push a bowling ball and then it goes down a track and then this thing happens. It's like that happened in the spiritual realm. And we are. We don't know what's going on, you know, but. And thankfully, because God is a God of forgiveness and, and patience, we have a way through this. But if we could just peek over the wall into the next room and see all the crap that's happening because of the iniquity that happened in the garden, we might actually understand now. Because, you know, it's hard to grasp it because we. We're so separated from the spiritual realm, at least in our perception of it.

[Ed Mabry]

But. But that's how we can be forgiveness. Because we don't have full knowledge. And that's why the fallen angels can't be forgiven, because they have full knowledge. They knew exactly what they were doing each time. And I want to get one more weird thing before we. Before we wrap this up.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

But from that same verse, when. When God's. When. When Kane says, am I my brother's keeper? God says, you know, what have you done? The blood, your brother's blood cries out to you, to me from the ground. And it says that, you know, you're. Now you're cursed. The earth will not yield to you. You know, it's all the same earth that. That took in your brother's blood is no longer going to yield its fruit to you, and you're going to be a vagabond. We have some more sentience here. Blood seems to have sentience. It cried out, unless, you know, now it's possible that God was just speaking poetically, but I don't know if he was doing that. Blood.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Life is in the blood. Right?

[Ed Mabry]

Life is in the blood. Exactly. His blood was crying out, and the earth drew it in. And now the earth is not going to yield to you. This this seems to imply that the Earth has sentience. Now, I'm not getting all New age pantheistic stuff with this, but let's keep something in mind that again, angels don't look like dudes in, in robes with wings. They look weird. I mean, if you read Ezekiel, they're, they're, they're, they're almost indescribable. There's an angel that's over the sun. We see this in the Book of Revelation. There's an angels that are over the waters. What if, what if the, what if Elohim aren't just, you know, these things flying around? What if the sun actually is an angel? What if the Earth is also some type of Elohim because the land is a character in the Bible? The Bible is in Deuteronomy. It says, it tells, Moses, tells the Israelites, like, if you. We're going to the promised land, this special plot of land, if you worship the other gods of the other nations, the land will vomit you out. Again, could be poetic. And I totally, I'm totally down with this being poetic. And I'm, I'm just going a little overboard. I, I will acquiesce to that. But if there's some literalness to this, then that just adds sentience to a lot of things. And so, and again, the New Age people, the pantheists and all that, they, they attribute a spirit to all of nature, right? But what if there's a kernel of truth in that paganistic deception?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, of course, right? It's like they, so they attribute a feminine spirit to it. Gaia, Mother Earth, all these different things and maybe works of the sun from,

[Ed Mabry]

from day one, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And maybe even all of that is true to a certain degree. But it's like, you can, you can say that, but then draw a line and go, and you don't worship it. You don't worship it. Like, that's the, the main thing here. This is the, the mistake that everybody makes is I think paganism can be sort of summarized as just worshiping the creation instead of the Creator. So a lot of people go like, oh, we're not exactly pagan. Brings to mind a bunch of Germanic tribes and things like that. It's like, no, it's anything that is worshiping the creation, but either there, there is a real spirit there, and, and it's accepting worship, or maybe, maybe it's not accepting worship, but these things, these fallen Elohim, these, these spirits are. Because I think this happens quite a bit in the spiritual realm too. Posing as, like I am Mother Earth. And it's like you're posing as a thing that is real and. And does exist. Mother Mary. Right. When you're worshiping Ishtar, because Ishtar is claiming to be Mother Mary. Meanwhile, Mother Mary is pretty bummed out about that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Don't do this in my name. And maybe there's a certain. Plus, maybe it's not the whores. Might be certain sections of. Of the earth, because there we're gonna.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

In.

[Ed Mabry]

In spiritual warfare class, we're going to talk about how there are haunted lands. There are certain areas that are truly haunted. And maybe there is a spirit in the actual land that, for whatever reason is. Is. Is facilitating this because there are areas that people just don't go to. Yeah, you know that. You know, you don't. You don't trans. You don't go into this part of the woods because there's some Blair Witch stuff happening out there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, if you believe in whatever's going on at Skinwalker Ranch, go to. Go to that section of Utah and. And if that stuff is really happening there, then tell me that the land's not haunted.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Major battle sites from the Civil War. Yeah, Haunted spilled there.

[Ed Mabry]

A lot of blood spilled. And we talked about many times on this show, when blood hits the ground, it. It thins the veil between our realms.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

You know, makes you wonder about the desert. A lot of people say that some of these deserts were, you know, luscious jungles and. Or, you know, had wildlife in it at one point. And now it's just deserted, dead. Nothing. Nothing can be found there. It's like, what happened in this place, man?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's also a little sad what Ed's talking about. I mean, it's all sad, right? When you just think about human nature and what God wants for us, it's a bit of a bummer because of how bad we suck. But this idea that God may have been extending this forgiveness from the jump, from the second that this happened in the garden. And then that screwed up, and I go, okay. And then you go to Cain and Abel and then that's screwed up. And it's like every step of the way, he's been like, are you sure?

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Of course. Of course he was. This just happened. My. My son just called me from my mom's phone.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Because he messed up before I came here, and I was like, you're punished. You're not. No pool today. The rest of the day.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Because he likes pool today. It's a beautiful day.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

He was in it, and he smacked his sister in the face for no pool today. No pool.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No pool.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

And he called me because I told him. I was like, hey, man, you know, I didn't tell him, like, you have to say sorry. I don't tell him that. But I'm like, this is what you did. And there are ways to undo these things, you know, if you. I know you're mad now. You could say it was the same exact conversation.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But now that I'm thinking about it, feel like.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Like right over the target, man. And then he calls me and he goes, hey, daddy, sorry. And I go, it's all right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's all good, man.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Hop in that pool, man. Like, you know what you did. Hop in that pool. We're done.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's what God wants to do. God wants to go get a Playboy.

[Ed Mabry]

I'll end with this because somebody, when I put that up on my Patreon and they saw the whole thing about the. About, you know, that he. Adam and Eve could have been forgiven. And I had some guy came and say, oh, no, no, no, this. That's not possible. They sin. They cannot be forgiven. They have to go. I said, okay, if that's true, then what was the purpose of the Tree of Life? Well, the Tree of Life was to make them immortal. They were already immortal. They. There was no death. They were there to heal them if they made a mistake and confessed and repented. Because we're going to see that. Because we're going to see the Tree of Life. Yeah, we're going to see the Tree of Life at the end when we're in eternity. And it says that the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. Well, if we're going to all be in our supernatural bodies and resurrected bodies, what are we going to need to healing from? Because we're gonna make mistakes. We're not gonna sin, but we're going to make mistakes. And we can be healed from it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Thank God. Because people look at heaven as if it's this rigid experience.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

They look at it like it's the Orthodox church.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude. I want to keep learning. And to learn is to make mistakes. Right. Failure and mistakes are a fantastic teacher.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So, like, yeah, it's all gonna change, man. You're gonna make mistakes. But there's literally a place to go for restoration. And in fact, it was there from the jump. But they were very stubborn.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, exactly, man. For a landing.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah. Always. Always amazing. Always.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I gotta tell Matt to listen to this because this is, like, really, really fascinating. I. Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I love that it's, it's one.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm gonna call your job and I'm gonna tell him, stop taking him on Fridays. This is ridiculous. Even.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Leave him alone. It's always fat. It's one of my favorite stories in the Bible and it's very short. And I always wonder, like, what the hell happened here, man? Was it. Was it the sacrifice? Was it the plants? Was it the, the meat that he gave? What was it? And it's like, that's. I've never really received a satisfactory explanation. This one's given me a lot more to think about. Every time we have Ed on there's always something that you go home when you go, damn. I guess I'll just think about that because it's right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's an alignment with scripture. You have all the other instances throughout the Bible of animal sacrifice. So that makes sense that that would be happening. And it's also incredibly in alignment with human nature also.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

I mean, what, what else is in alignment? There's a bunch of scriptures that talk about. They're in Psalms and I think some in Isaiah, but they're talking about the earth either crying out the earth, bowing down the earth, worshiping God.

[Ed Mabry]

Paul writes in Romans that all of creation groans waiting for all, so it's grown. You can't groan for something and long for something unless you have sentience. So that means like the trees and mountains are like, we want this to be done. We. We're waiting for the sons of God to be revealed so that we could have the Eden again. We want perfection.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Even the mountains are looking at us like, you guys suck kids, man. Oh my God. That's. That's incredible, man. Good catching up with you, Ed. Yes. On our way out, let's. Let's remind everybody where they could find your work and, and all of that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, So I did mention the page. I did not mention the Patreon at first. We got into discussions, but Patreon is another place to go if you come. If you want to be a part of the Bible study. That's. Actually, there's one coming up this Sunday, so the third Sunday of the month. You can sign up there. We go through the entire Bible in one year from the super supernatural point of view, with the goal again of helping you understand God's will so that you know who he is and what he wants from you. Content drops there first. Then there's my, my website, faith by reason.net. you can access all my archive material there if you, if you join faithbyreason.net that's also the vehicle through which we're having the spiritual warfare course. So you sign in there, you take it to, directly to the course, and you get all the, you get the weekly course material. And yeah, people are learning a ton. We're a month and a half in, and if you, if you sign up with the, the code Warrior50 all caps, you get three months, half price. And, you know, we'll see what we can do. We'll maybe work on some other pricing stuff as well, but come aboard. People are just learning a lot, and they're already growing. And we're only a month and a half in. We still have, have 11, you know, 10 and a half more months to go. So hopefully, if, if you, if it's on your heart to do so, join that, and that'll continue to help me not have a job anymore, so I can do this full time.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. You know, Ed, you're offering a massive service. There's a lot of people that are, you know, you could do a Bible study and everything, but, like, your focus consistently not only in the spiritual war, fair sense, but is always relationship with God. Getting to know God. That's been super consistent. How many episodes have we had, Ed, on how long ago do we start talking to you? And that has been the consistent through line across all these conversations.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

It's the one scripture that always haunts me. I think it's Matthew.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Where? Matthew 3, maybe something like that, where he goes, you know, depart from me. I didn't, I don't know you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And it's like, yeah, that's, oh, you don't want to. Didn't we do all these things in your name? He says, I didn't know you. And my old mentor, Chuck Missler would say it like this to make you understand it. How many of you know who you know the President of the United States is? How many of you does he know? There's a difference. That you, you may know who Jesus is, but does he know who you are? And by knowing doesn't mean he knows you exist. It means, do you have a relationship with him? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. Well, thank you, Ed. Thank you. We got to do it again. I don't want to wait a bunch of weeks, but I get it. You got his things to do.

[Ed Mabry]

I know. I, I, I have, I have Friday afternoons. I, I'll start trying to book this more often.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

All right.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Excellent, man. Thank you, Ed. And guys, let's go into the weekend. Another great Friday for the Lord.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, and we'll see you I'll be there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, that's right.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's going to be at Bohemian Grove. Ed's gonna be doing the VIP day, so all the VIP members who. Who bought all those tickets look forward to a live Bible study. It's gonna be us. It's going to be Ed, Matt Hepner, and Laura Baker, which is something I'm really looking forward to. That's gonna be awesome. And then, of course, it'll be at the second day, so, yeah, looking forward to it, man.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Excellent.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Guys.

[Co-host (possibly Matt Hepner or Laura Baker)]

Don't forget. We'll see you later. Written in the book in the pages they forgot Mama.

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When the last trumpet sound in the heaven.