Owen Benjamin IS King David | NDS

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Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: Owen Benjamin IS King David | NDS
Date: July 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode brings the comedic, conspiratorial, and biblically-minded Nephilim Death Squad crew—primarily Matt, TopLobsta, and David—into a deep and humorous dive into the recurring biblical archetypes they perceive in the lives of modern cultural figures, specifically focusing on Owen Benjamin. Framed as both a parody and a serious investigation, they compare Owen Benjamin's tumultuous career arc with the biblical King David, mapping uncanny life parallels and exploring the nature of archetypes, spiritual warfare, word magic, and spiritual healing. The episode is equal parts bible study, cultural commentary, edgy comedy, and self-reflective meta-analysis.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Intro Banter & Team Dynamic

[02:22–05:00]

• The hosts joke about skipping intros and emphasize getting straight to the content—“I want no more intro. So you got to go right into the show.” (Matt, 01:54)
• David’s absence (due to his Jeep issues) sparks lighthearted soul-searching about friendship and camaraderie.
• They riff on cleanliness versus character, emphasizing how some people’s messiness is missed when they’re not around.
• Notable quote:

  “Today I had an overwhelming sense of, like, I really missed this guy. When is he coming back?” (Matt, 05:00)

2. Spiritual Warfare, Healing, and Community Support

[06:33–19:52]

• Matt recounts supernatural happenings and his wife Jessica's sudden health issues.
• The discussion highlights distinctions between people who are natural healers—

  “Some people are healers. And I'm not…talking about, like, supernatural gift of healing. But it's like, something in them.” (Matt, 10:04)

• Parallel drawn to biblical healing and the value of genuine care over formal education.
• The segment transitions into trusting the process, suffering together, and the contagious effect of positive energy and competence within a community.
• They note the irony of being healed by a "non-system" doctor:

  “People who are healers…that’s so valuable. So, like, for us to know this guy. Now, this is so good.” (Matt, 15:17)

3. Seasonal Depression and the Importance of Environment

[19:01–20:05]

• Discusses how environment affects mood; Jessica's struggle with dizziness and Matt’s experience of seasonal depression in cloudy New York.
• Leads into examining how our physical and spiritual environments shape our narratives and susceptibility to spiritual attacks.

4. Owen Benjamin, King David, and the Parallels

[20:05–88:01] — Main Section

A. Why the Comparison?

• The central comedic conceit: Owen Benjamin—a controversial comedian exiled from mainstream platforms—mirrors the story of King David.
• Owen's criticism of David is reframed as archetypal misdirection:

  “What better way, if he is King David, to get everybody off his track than to trash King David?” (Matt, 35:21)

• Exploration of how true stories (like David's) strengthen, rather than weaken, the veracity of the Bible.

B. Wordcraft, Spell-casting, and Manipulation

[22:03–31:18]

• Engages Owen Benjamin's concepts of “word magic” and spell-casting from his book "How to Slay a Wizard."
• Discusses manipulation of language in culture and religion:

  “The word adopt does the work of making a financial transaction feel like an act of pure love…you should notice when words do that.” (Matt reading Owen Benjamin, 24:00)

• Reflection on being honest in communication versus casting spells or manipulation (ex: “service” vs “show” in churches).

C. Mapping Lives: King David’s Story and Owen’s Biography

• David the Loner/Shepherd parallels with Owen's outsider status.
• Hollywood as Saul’s Court:
  “Saul is the system…the whole way through. Saul represents the system.” (Matt, 42:36)
• Gifted but Unconventional: David refused Saul’s armor—Owen defies Hollywood/comedy norms.
• Victories for the System: David wins for others, but is always peripheral, accepted so long as he soothes the system (playing the harp).
• Systemic Jealousy and Rejection:

  “Slowly but surely that system…begins to lose its mind.” (Matt, 56:16) Owen, once welcome, gradually rejected as his popularity grow and he will not conform.

• Foreskins/Scalps—Mock-Serious Parallels:

  “He’s taken foreskins… too many scalps.” (Matt & Co-host, 64:05)

• The Jonathan Parallel/Vince Vaughn:
  Jonathan’s covenant is compared to Owen’s close, impactful friendship with Vince Vaughn, adding layers of irreverent humor.

D. Exile, Madness, and Found Family

• After his system expulsion, both David and Owen are outcasts gathering other misfits to them—forming "Bertaria" (Owen’s alternative community).
• The “madman” episode (David feigning insanity to survive) is mapped to Owen’s period of “losing it” after his public meltdowns and possible edibles incident.
• Notable quote:

  “He goes through a period of acting like a madman…He’s not afraid to do things that are way outside the box.” (Matt, 79:24)

• The band of “mighty men” (misfits) is directly paralleled to Owen’s tight-knit, loyal support base.

E. Metacommentary—Are We Reaching?

• The hosts repeatedly call attention to their comedic and speculative tone, asking the live chat if they are reaching, joking about time travel, and mixing earnestness with parody.
• Acknowledgment that biblical archetypes repeat and that many people live out these “King David moments.”

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5. Takeaways on Archetypes, Narrative, and Reflection

[88:01–End]

• Discussion shifts to why the Bible gives us archetypes—so we can locate our own flaws and trajectories within them.

  “All these stories were given to us as examples so that we would learn by them…maybe that’s what it means that your name has to be written in the book of life: you have to find yourself in this story.” (Matt, 89:09)

• Both the failures and victories of biblical figures are shown as universal: “All families are messed up. And if you were to tell the real story of anybody, it’s going to be ugly.”
• Comparing the narrowness of the righteous path to the messy journey of Peter, David, and others:

  “God’s always looking for real ones.” (Matt, 95:35)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Spiritual Friendship:
  “You expose me, you see me doing some dumb, I’m not going to be mad about it.” (Co-host to Owen, 77:46)
• On Systemic Rejection:
  “Saul’s already taken his Airbnb. The system’s already taken his PayPal…” (Matt, 78:54)
• On the Value of Process Over Performance:
  “What is God looking for? Goody two-shoes or real ass people?” (Matt, 94:35)
• On Comedy, Conspiracy, and Biblical Study:

  “Is it okay if some of this is a little bit comedy too, or…just super serious?” (Matt, 84:03)

• On Embracing Archetypes:
  “Maybe that’s what it means that your name has to be written in the book of life: you have to find yourself in this story…” (Matt, 89:09)
• Musings on Time Travel:
  “Is it possible that he is time traveling, and he realizes that people are hip to him, so he’s scrambling now…?” (Matt, 96:46)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:22] Skip the intros, “let’s jump right in”
• [06:33] Spiritual warfare/personal healing stories
• [20:05] Introduction of “Owen Benjamin is King David” theory
• [22:03] Word magic and spell-casting
• [31:18] Life parallels—King David’s journey vs Owen’s
• [56:16] System’s jealousy and expulsion arc
• [76:13] “Stripping naked” — public humiliation & honesty
• [85:44] The cave/adulthood—the gathering of the “real ones”
• [88:01] Reflections on archetypes, learning from biblical stories

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Episode Tone

• Rich with irreverent, edgy Christian humor
• Balances profound theological and psychological discussion with absurdist conspiracy and parody
• Self-reflective, challenging both themselves and listeners to question how much our lives reflect biblical patterns

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Bottom Line

This episode is a rollicking meta-bible study, a cultural roast, and a spiritual therapy session all at once. The hosts gleefully claim both Owen Benjamin and, by implication, all of us are living out timeless archetypes. Whether or not you accept the wild thesis—“Owen Benjamin is King David (or at least playing out his arc)”—the real point is to challenge listeners to recognize the recurrence of spiritual, social, and psychological scripts in their own lives, to remain vigilant against manipulation (“spells”), and to embrace raw honesty over shallow religious showmanship.

“Stay curious. Stay dangerous.”

Transcript

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[David]

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[Matt]

Am I gonna watch an intro? I'm not watching an intro, dude. I'm going like, as soon as it clicks. I want to go right to it. You're not doing an intro. Okay, no, but let's finish that conversation.

[Co-host]

We're live. What conversation?

[Matt]

No, on Straight Bible. I want no more intro. I love your intro and your graphics and the work you put into it. I just don't like to sit through an intro.

[Co-host]

Dude, that's hurtful.

[Matt]

I know. That's why I wanted to be my. I didn't just want to text you last night, but last night I was like, I gotta tell Top. You don't want. I don't want any more intro. So you gotta go right into the show.

[Co-host]

Well, technically, this is a Nephilim Death Squad show right now.

[Matt]

No, I know, but I'm just saying, with. Okay, Straight Bible, so. Oh, but even on nds, you just went straight in, huh?

[Co-host]

Did we?

[Matt]

Well, it's a really important show.

[Co-host]

Well, it's this. So this is an NDS show labeled as straight Bible. And the only reason I did that is because I really like the way I made the background.

[Matt]

That background does crush.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Matt]

All right. I love when you love your work. Like the lights you just did. You're so happy about that.

[David]

They do look good.

[Co-host]

Pat myself on the back. All right, so what. Let's. Let's talk about what's been going on, because there's been crazy, crazy supernatural stuff. You want to talk about David first? Why not?

[Matt]

No. Okay. The most supernatural thing about the radio.

[Co-host]

Wait, he's calling is.

[Matt]

I miss him. Like, I didn't miss him the first couple days, but now I miss.

[Co-host]

All right, we'll talk to him. This is going to be a more serious and focused episode after the first five minutes.

[Matt]

Okay, let's go.

[Co-host]

David. What's up, man? We're live.

[David]

Oh, is that true?

[Co-host]

Hey, hey, stop cursing.

[Matt]

Let's go.

[David]

Did you tell everybody that I got fired? Or is it. Is that still something we haven't released to the public?

[Co-host]

Well, now they know.

[David]

Okay. I don't know. I was calling you to talk about severance.

[Co-host]

There will be no severance. We're just going to be moving on, moving forward. So stop.

[Matt]

Okay, Just tell me.

[Co-host]

He says hi.

[Matt]

I want to get it out of the way. I want to get it out of the way.

[Co-host]

You guys,

[Matt]

can you just.

[David]

On my way to get the. The. I'm gonna leave to get the truck. We're gonna see what happens. They said it's done. I don't know what that means, but we're gonna find out.

[Matt]

Let's go.

[Co-host]

We were just. I. So we're talking about crazy spiritual warfare or things that have been happening. Spiritual healing. And I was like, I guess we should talk about David, because I know David's gonna come with a spiritual story.

[David]

Well, remember before we. Before I left and I was telling you about a dream and then we got interrupted because we were going to be on. On somebody's show and they showed up into the studio, so I. I stopped telling you about the dream?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

Well, Matt doesn't remember, so he could stop making that up. But after the second half of it that I didn't get to tell you was weird and felt exactly like witchcraft. In fact, that's what I woke up saying.

[Matt]

And then I got my dick kicked

[David]

in with my truck, so. But if that's all they could do, then Is.

[Matt]

Is the jeep driving?

[David]

Apparently it's a. It's all done, and I'm going to go pick it up real soon, so I think so I think we're good to go.

[Matt]

I'm gonna say something slightly. Not slightly, but incredibly. It's gonna be very embarrassing, but I feel like it does need to be said.

[Co-host]

Nat's being nasty today. You know, we started the show anyway. I love the work you've done for the show and all the effort you put in with the graphics, but I don't want to play an intro anymore.

[Matt]

I hate intros.

[Co-host]

You see how he is?

[David]

Oh, yeah. Well, if you're gonna. If you're about to confess to me how much of a integral part of the team I am and how much my talent is missed. I know that. You don't have to say that. Go ahead. You can say that.

[Matt]

Okay, so let's balance this out. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I was like, this is so nice.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's so clean in here. It's so organized. There's nothing laying around. Today I had an overwhelming sense of, like, I really missed this guy. When is he coming back?

[Co-host]

Have decreased by 97%.

[David]

Burps. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Farts 65.

[David]

Increased cleanliness has increased by 97%.

[Matt]

Yes, for sure.

[David]

And. But. But the listenership has decreased by a corresponding.

[Matt]

Substantially. It's accurate.

[Co-host]

So hurry up.

[Matt]

Everybody misses you. Everybody's asking about you. But that was a very bizarre feeling. And I was like, what is the. I don't know if I like this. What is this feeling? I kind of miss him.

[Co-host]

We have. We have someone in the chat. Michael.

[David]

I'm very.

[Co-host]

David.

[David]

Laying around. I don't know.

[Co-host]

Michael. Manifesto says never buy a Jeep. At least not a newer one. 90 to 2006 were the last good ones.

[Matt]

He's not gonna hear that, dude.

[Co-host]

He can't hear it. You know what it is? God has put a. God's. God's put a block on his ears.

[Matt]

He doesn't care.

[Co-host]

He doesn't care.

[Matt]

He wants to ball out the Jeep. Looks cool. He's gonna look cool at the beach. Like he doesn't care.

[David]

I'm gonna send you a picture, right? Because even though it was a piece of. And it wasn't doing well, I took a picture of it this morning in the.

[Matt]

In the sunlight, and I said, man, he loves it.

[David]

It's a good looking heap of.

[Matt]

He loves it. Okay, I'm giving you back the top, all right? Never repeat what I just said.

[David]

I've learned to do. To tune you out when you speak, even if it's nice.

[Co-host]

All right, David, you're messing up our show, all right?

[Matt]

No, you're not. You make it better.

[David]

All right?

[Co-host]

So the spiritual warfare topic number one down.

[Matt]

Topic number two is that, you know, right after I celebrated my 24 year anniversary with Jessica, maybe if you remember, we had a 19 year wedding anniversary in June. Well, I, I know this is a little. Yeah, I guess I'm going all chick stuff today, actually, which I'm fine with that. Like, I always celebrate the day we met. We met on July 3rd. She was, I was partying with her uncle. I came in off the boat. I was trash. I was on GHB and drinking the red dogs and she was in the kitchen making pasta salad with her mom. And I was with her mom and her sister. And so, so I, you know, I wasn't saved at the time. I just saw her from behind and I was like, damn, girl. And then we were just in love ever since, dude. Like from that day. So, like, I celebrate July 3rd, got her like a really nice piece of jewelry. We'll say, because I love her, she means a lot to me. And then right in the middle of all that, like a day or two before that, she. She started to have like a dizzy, Like a dizzy thing.

[Co-host]

You had weird stuff going on here too, right?

[Matt]

Yeah, just, just. I mean. Yeah. More than normal, more than. Right. But we both have stepped away from it a little bit. Like, that's the thing is we're kind of trying to step away from it a little bit. And so she started doing the dizzy thing. I don't, you know, sore throat, runny nose, like whatever, even fever. It's like, whatever.

[Co-host]

They want to know what you mean by piece of jewelry.

[Matt]

I got her something nice.

[Co-host]

They just said suspicious. I agree.

[Matt]

Okay. She, she's like, she's like one of these old fashioned chicks. She's like a chick that could be placed anywhere in the timeline. She's like a timeless chick. So she likes a lot of time travel.

[Co-host]

You guys do a lot of time travel?

[Matt]

We're not really going to get into that right now, but she could exist anywhere in the timeline. And she likes the old fashioned, like the gold coins, like the small gold coins. You put those on the necklace and those are rad, dude.

[Co-host]

Oh, cool.

[Matt]

Yeah, like, those are very rad.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt]

Because I love her. Yeah.

[Co-host]

All right.

[Matt]

Coinboy looks out for him. For me. He's a. He's a good man. So anyway, so she's doing the, the like very, you know, standing up, driving, anything is making her dizzy. I don't know what's going on with it, but I don't like dizzy. You know what I'm saying, that just seems like a. Like a bizarre thing.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

We go to somebody who specializes in vertigo. We go out on the boat over the weekend, and she's fine on the boat. We're, like, rocking on the boat, snorkeling, getting. We're getting scallops all weekend. We're snorkeling, we're getting scallops. She feels great. She thinks she's over it. Get home. No, dude, dizzy. Dizzy. We go to somebody who specializes in vertigo. They put her on this thing, and it goes. It's like a thing that tap, tap, tap. Uses, like, sound and, like, a vibration to kind of. I don't know. Not a doctor, but it's like the atlas, the C1. The something's out of line. And so when it, like, pinches the thing, then the blood flow's not right. Something to that extent. Yeah, we do that. She's very. She's like, okay, cool. We're working on it. But doesn't feel good the next day or the next day. Then I see my boy Thomas. Dude from the gym. Dude's a savage, too. He's a healer. I know this dude's a healer because, like, he saw me before. I didn't really know him.

[David]

So.

[Matt]

Bro, my shoulder's messed up. I always see you, like, doing interesting stuff. He goes, do you mind if I, like, touch it? So he, like, touches it, does some stuff, gives me, like, two stretches. Boom, My shoulders healed.

[Co-host]

Dude.

[Matt]

Come to find out, every, like, old guy in the gym has issues. Like, right here with the. With the. Where, the shoulder.

[Co-host]

Rotator cuff. Yeah.

[Matt]

So he's done that before. Other times, he'll be like, bro, you're limping bad, bro. He's like, here, you mind if I go? Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[David]

He goes.

[Matt]

He'll, like, adjust my leg and see, he's just a healer. Like, some people are healers. And I'm not. I'm not talking about, like, they have, like, necessarily this supernatural gift of healing. I'm not. Not saying that, though, but it's like something in them. They are healing. Like, you could go. You could go to doctor school and not be a healer. You're just a doctor, and you prescribe stuff, and you get the patient, and you get the patient out, you get the money. But there's people that are healers, so. So I see him. I said, bro, my wife's got this thing. He's like, dude, bring her in. He's like, we'll just get you guys in after hours or whatever. So we go in Was it only yesterday?

[Co-host]

Yeah, dude.

[Matt]

So she's been dealing this for, like a week.

[Co-host]

Nancy thinks that you're taking. Amy thinks you're taking part in witchcraft. Nasty.

[Matt]

Why would you say that?

[Co-host]

I don't know. She's being real mean.

[Matt]

Oh, no, no, she doesn't. No, Amy's kind of chill now. She's not. I'm not saying she likes me, but I'm saying she's got a little more neutral. And she's not necessarily. She's saying, like, witchcraft maybe got at Jessica is what she's saying, which I. Which I get it. I get it. Where people could come to that conclusion.

[David]

Maybe.

[Matt]

Yeah. No, we're actually not. I don't think. I mean, I always love.

[Co-host]

I think she means it.

[Matt]

No, she's.

[David]

We're.

[Matt]

I feel like we're kind of a little bit more.

[Co-host]

See, Okay.

[Matt]

I told you, dude. I think we're, like, buddies now. That's what I'm saying. This story is a lot more meaningful about, like, the love of Christ, because everybody knows the history of me and Amy, and now they're like, you know what? Amy doesn't hate me. And maybe she was right about some of the stuff she said. I'm. I'm very terrible at cutting people off. I'm well aware of that. She's just very aware, too, and says mean stuff about it, which is fine. I appreciate that.

[Co-host]

All right, that's your story.

[Matt]

So we. So I say, bro, can I get. Can I get Jess in there? He says, yeah, bring her in. We'll do it. We'll do the thing after hours. We go in. He's like, yeah, come with me, man. I'll take you to the doctor. Because this dude's not a doctor. He's like a helper. I don't know what the word is. I don't know what it is. He's a high level healer, but he's not the doctor. We go in, bro. It's an Indian dude. You know, I like Indian people, like, right from the jump. Because Zach Poonan is from Bangalore. He's my favorite preacher. And so right away, I like this guy. I'm not sure where he's at with the Hindu maybe. I don't know.

[Co-host]

What's it smell like in the office?

[Matt]

No, no, he's very aware of that. He says at lunchtime, he doesn't eat Indian food. He only eats at night because he doesn't want to stink up the office, the gym in the afternoon. This is a good dude. I'm like, okay, interesting.

[David]

Okay, good, good.

[Matt]

He gets a hold of Jess's neck. He starts like doing some stuff. She's like, ah, ah. You know, like it hurt. He's like doing this. He's like, push. He says, yeah, yeah. This is completely out. Doesn't take an X ray, doesn't take an X ray, doesn't use a machine, doesn't do anything. Starts like moving stuff like this. Pushing here, going like this. Got her arm up, hold arm, doing things. And he goes, okay, look to the right. She gets like teary eyed, dude. She's like, it's not, I don't. I'm not dizzy. He's like, okay, look to the left. She goes, I'm not, I'm not dizzy. And then he like pulls out this thing and I don't know, it's like her nail file thing is what it looks like, but it's all metal. And he starts just like scraping the bone. She used to get these really bad headaches like at the bottom of the, like the top of the neck, bottom of the skull. Bad headaches. He said, oh, yeah, that's. He like identified all the things, everything that she. He goes, yeah, that's blah, blah, blah. She said this? Yeah, that's blah, blah. He starts going like this and he just like. She's like, ah, ah. And then like, done. He's like, okay, get up and walk around, dude. She's like teary now. She's like super teary. She's walking around. She's like, I can't believe this. Like, I thought I was just kind of.

[Co-host]

I didn't live like this.

[Matt]

Yeah. I didn't know how long this was going to go. Like, because we're, we're not like sick. We don't get sick and we don also don't go to doctors. Because then he's like, why didn't you come here sooner? I was like, bro, we don't do the whole doctor thing. And like, to be honest, it's. It's a physical therapist. I'm like, physical therapy is not even like on my radar. That's not even a thing to me. Like, I don't, I don't know. But now, bro, I will. Like, I took them gallons of. I took them dirty chai. I took them tons of pastries. I took them, just sent them with jam and with energy bites and got them gift cards and you. They didn't even charge us. That was the thing. Like, we came in after hours, like, not going to charge us. I was like, dude, there's no, like,

[Co-host]

what's the name of the. Of the. The place.

[Matt]

Why would you do that? Why wouldn't you ask me before we go? I don't know.

[Co-host]

I figured. I figured you'd know because you went there.

[Matt]

No, I'm like, not necessarily great at that. I don't know. He's just right here, dude. But yeah, if anybody has like a. This is a dude. So you say like, yeah. Why didn't God just heal her? Like, you guys know God? Like, you and Jess know God? You guys are tight with God? I don't know. I think sometimes God does a thing to get you in cahoots with. With a guy. I wouldn't have met this guy any other way. Come to find out he's got the line. We start talking about Zak Poon, and he's from Bangalore. Come to find out this dude's, like, born in India and was raped. Raised Pentecostal. He's got a Lion and the Lamb painting on the wall. That's beautiful. I said, bro, what's that? He said, yeah, it's kind of a sad story. It's a patient of mine that's got Alzheimer's. She comes in and sees it and she goes, oh, what a beautiful painting. And I tell her every time you painted that. Isn't that wild? Dude, I would love to have this guy on the show, dude. Well, yeah, I don't know if he's down or whatever. I don't. I don't really know him, but I'm gonna try to, like, keep in touch with him.

[Co-host]

I mean, yeah, he can come, but just tell him, you know, Indian food after stop.

[Matt]

Lake center for Rehab. Physical therapy. I'm telling you, dude, like, I would travel to, like, a. Like, a person who's a healer is, like, so worth it, dude. It's.

[David]

It's.

[Matt]

There's no comparison to, like, somebody with a great education but doesn't care, dude. People who are healers is. Is like, that's so valuable. So, like, I feel I was like, sweetie, for us to know this guy. Now, this is. This is so good. Lake center for Rehab. Yeah, like, no. Lake center for Rehab, Physical therapy, the villages, Florida, Spanish Plains. You're probably at the. Maybe there's another one. This one. Spanish Plains.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I want to see it because that's just bizarre. Like, center for rehab. This one here.

[Matt]

I know we were kind of walking out. Yeah, let's. I think it's all five star reviews. Jess went in and did the. Five. Yeah.

[David]

Huh.

[Matt]

Dude, the guy is a healer, bro. Like, like, Jess was Like this is, this is crazy that he didn't do, he didn't, he didn't use one machine. He didn't do an X ray. He knew everything about my spine, he knew everything about my neck just from like touching.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And that's like what. Yeah, that's. You would think that's what people are learning. If they go into like medical school, they learn how to be a healer.

[Co-host]

No, I think there's a, there's like a comparison in music as well. A lot of people that go into it, they learn the theory and it's very like nuts and bolts, one plus one. But the people who never learn it learn it by like hearing and internalizing the sound. And then they, they create things rather than replicate this. Yeah, so it's the same aspect there.

[Matt]

Yeah, dude, we had. That's exactly what Ben is the Menace said yesterday about cemetery school. That they just like, they're just like teaching you these things. But it's like these are the topics you're not really learning how to, how to read the Bible and learn the Bible there. You're being told what to think about the Bible.

[David]

Right, Right.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's all the system, all the world.

[Co-host]

Rather than how to think all the

[Matt]

world is like that. Yeah, everything in the world. That's why the Bible's like very clear. Do not love the world. You're not part of the world.

[Co-host]

Because this place here that, that you found is like. This place is every other place in the villages. When you pull this up, like I, you go into here. Yeah, it's right. It's right. It's literally right outside of the coffee shop. This looks like the entrance to the hospital. And what you're going to get there, I mean you can. It's just western medical stuff, but inside here you found some sort of gem. That's bizarre.

[Matt]

That's. But, but that's what I'm saying is like my guy Thomas from the gym, and he's tatted up, he's like neck all sleeved hats like he's badass in the gyms, dude. Just a cool ass dude. I would have never guessed he was like a gentle like healing guy. I would never guess that, but I've just been vibing with him at the gym and talking to him and then I realized he was a healer. But now I know it's from sitting under this doctor. That's why he's a healer.

[Co-host]

You got to get that guy on the show.

[Matt]

Maybe they both carried it. Maybe he carried it, but it was never unlocked. Till he sat under this doctor dude. And then they have a radio because he was in there for the whole thing. They had a rad relationship, dude. The two of them, they were saying stuff back and forth. C1, A, 2, this. They were just saying all the stuff back and forth. And he's like nodding his head, going, yeah, it's. It just was a neat thing, dude. And that never happens to me typically, to go in, like, a American Medical building and something like that happens.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And you. You went in, like, after hours, too, right?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy because we saw Jess. She came in here and, like, she walked through the door and she was

[Matt]

like, no, she's been like that for

[Co-host]

a week like this. And she was scared to turn her head because she's been like, it's been bad, dude.

[Matt]

Yeah, not only that, especially for a chick. And then you're kind of stuck at the house. You know, people don't like that, dude. That stuff can get weird quick, man, when you're just at the house too much.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And she's doing. I mean, dude, she's making us, like, super good dinners and doing everything she can in the house, but she's like, it's only a week in a figure eight.

[Co-host]

So. Yeah.

[Matt]

You know, imagine the people that gets locked in their house and they, you know, they get in this downward spiral and they don't get out. Dude, imagine what that does to them. She told me that happens in New York anyway in the winter because you don't see the sun.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah, it does.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Which I thought it's like a seasonal depression and everybody just finds it normal. Like, no, this sucks, dude.

[Matt]

I thought she was making it up. I just thought it was like, oh, yeah, another problem. You know, Everybody's got problems. And then we went there and I was there for, like, 10 days and didn't see the sun for 10 days.

[Co-host]

Upstate New York, right? Yeah, it's even worse up there.

[Matt]

I was like. They were like, what do you want to do today? We normally go on adventures for. On vacation. I was like, I just want to lay in bed. I don't even leave Weird, man. I only ever live in sunny places, though. I'm not going to live in some place where it's like, I love cloudy days because I never get cloudy days, but ten in a row. No way, dude.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. When.

[Co-host]

When it gets cold over here, it's kind of like a relief a little bit. You're like, oh, that's nice. When it's cold in New York, you don't want that because it's going to be cold for six months. But this is not what we came here to talk about today.

[Matt]

You want to get right into it?

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think we should. I, I brought it up to you. I was like, yo, man, your guy own Benjamin has been trashing King David in a very, like a hilarious fashion. And you're like, yeah, I don't know what he's getting. I'm like, well, Owen does a thing where he chooses a topic, he digs deep on it, he finds the funny, and then he continues to, like, when he's in it, he's like scratching all the walls to see how much he can like bring out.

[Matt]

And then based on people's how much they lose it, if, if you lose, then he's gonna keep going.

[Co-host]

If you lose it, if the closest people to him lose it. I feel like he thinks that he's on to something. And I think he might be right.

[Matt]

He is, dude. Some of these stories I've seen him bring up, I'm like, yeah, that's a CR Story. That story. Now for me it's different because I'm like, these crazy stories. Like, I think he said something to the extent of, like, David didn't discipline his son, so he ends up with a son who like rapes his sister. And then David gets run out of town and David's son bones all of David's concubines on the roof in front of everybody. And it's something to the extent of, like, if this happened in America, like, we'd get these people out of society. And I'm like, that's, that's a great view of that. That story's in the Bible. To me, I look at that and say, this proves the Bible is true. Like, if you're just making a book about religion and this is one of the key characters in your so called religion, you're not putting that story in the book, dude.

[Co-host]

Yeah, there's a, that's a horrific story.

[Matt]

There's a 0% chance you're putting that story in the books. You say, well, then why is that story in the book of your religion called Christianity? Because it's not a book about a religion called Christianity. It's the story of reality.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

The reason that story is in the Bible is because it happened.

[Co-host]

So there are things that I think he gets right that like, something like that. I'm like, all right, you got that right. Like, this is brutal. And. But there's like an understanding to the rest of the story and the rest of the book.

[Matt]

Sure. What led to this?

[Co-host]

Some other things. I'm like, I don't think you got that completely right.

[Matt]

But how is he even close to. This guy is a profound mind. Like, I was. I'm only in, like, the beginning of chapter three, how to slay a wizard.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And so I was chilling at the house, just kind of waiting for you to get back to me. And I was reading it to Jess and Bella. I was just read. I was like, I want you guys to hear this real quick. And I looked over at them as I was reading it, and they were. They're both like this.

[Co-host]

What did you read?

[Matt]

Just chapter. Just the beginning of chapter three, where he's exposing, like, how the spells work. And, like, Bella.

[Co-host]

Bella was like that.

[Matt]

Yeah, dude. She liked it. I was like, sweet. I hope you don't get offended.

[Co-host]

Be careful. No, she's got to be careful because that is the. That's why they can't have him talk.

[Matt]

Right?

[David]

Right.

[Co-host]

And I don't. I don't want to, like, say whatever, like, what persuasion anybody's from, but if. If he's talking and you're. And you're perceptive to it, that means that whatever indoctrination you've been under before didn't work. Well, it was just. It was light, and it's gonna fall off if you. If you keep talking to this guy. You keep listening to him.

[Matt]

Yeah. He's just saying, like, how to manipulate people. It's all the same. Whether it's like, politicians, salesmen, drill sergeants, hypnotists. It's all the same. And then he gets into this. He says, like, look at the language around conflict. When one side takes people, they're called hostages. When the other side takes people, they're called prisoners. A hostage is an innocent. A prisoner is a criminal. Same situation. Two completely different emotional responses produced entirely by word choice. Nobody even notice, notices it happening because the process is so fast that you don't stop to ask, wait, did these people actually commit a crime, or did someone just call them prisoners because it's more convenient? This one got her heart. Take the word adopt. You adopt a child. Sounds beautiful, but how much did you pay? $30,000. So you bought a child?

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

No, I adopted a child. Okay. But the money changed hands, and a child changed homes. The word adopt does the work of making a financial transaction feel like an act of pure love. I'm not saying adoption is bad. I'm saying that the word is doing something beyond describing what Happened. And you should notice when words do that. That was when I looked up at them and they were like, this.

[Co-host]

This is what I was talking about yesterday with the word manipulation when we were talking with Stacks Farmstead, which was a fun episode. Go check that out.

[Matt]

What a great dude from PA Man.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, Solid dude. He bought a new microphone, too, after I was telling him, like, you needed a new mic.

[Matt]

You help a lot of people, I notice. You tell them, hey, do this on speaker. Get this mic. Hey, have you looked into that light? Oh, what about. And they ask you for advice, like, in the beginning of the show, too.

[Co-host]

Of like, yeah, if they want. If you want advice on an echo.

[Matt]

And you're like, hey, do A, B, C and D. And you're always like, oh, yeah, that's no big deal. I'm like, yeah, for most people, that's a big deal. Like, it's just second nature to you. But most people are like, I don't. I don't get it.

[Co-host]

Yeah, listen, if I could help out, I'll help out. But we were talking about the idea of manipulation with words.

[Matt]

I love when I glaze you, and you act like you don't like it that I just glazed you, but you love it that I glazed you. I love that.

[David]

Go ahead. Sorry.

[Co-host]

I mean, I'm just saying, like, you need help. If somebody asks, I'll help you. If you don't ask, I'm not going to help you. We were talking about that as well with the idea of manipulation and words. It was like, well, yes, number one. Did they ask? If they did ask, then I can help. How can I help you now? With his uncle. His uncle's a boomer, and they were talking about a heavier subject, like the nephilim. And he's like, he's not going to hear me. He sent me an AI meme about how it's wrong. And I was like, well, then you have to engage if you want to. You have to deem, if it's like, you know, worth your time or worth his time, levels of manipulation that you're going to use to bring your point across. But it's the same idea, right? Adoption versus selling a kid. One is done. You, you've adopted, you've done a good thing, but realistically, you've brought a kid, you know.

[Matt]

Yeah, let's just use plain English. Which I. Which I love this because I just feel like that's where I always was with every. Even as a salesman, I was very blunt with people. When I got there, I would say, Look, I'm here to get a purchase order. Like, that's what my company pays me to do.

[Co-host]

That strips away the magic of. It's intense. It gets intense. Like a guy like Dave Rubin, you probably know him, he's a conservative, Jewish gay.

[Matt]

Wait, the guy that produced the Beastie Boys?

[Co-host]

No, no.

[Matt]

What?

[Co-host]

No, no, a different Dave Rubin. No, that.

[David]

That.

[Co-host]

That's a different.

[Matt]

Oh, that's Rick Rubin.

[Co-host]

That's Rick. Rick Rubin. You sure?

[Matt]

I think so.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That produced the Beastie Boy. A bunch of other stuff, too. I think he hooked up with Jay Z later, too.

[Co-host]

But Dave Rubin was touring with Peterson and he has, like, a big show. The Dave Rubin show, whatever. But he's kind of a phony. He's gay. He's a concern. He's a conservative gay, like boys with

[Matt]

boys or just gay like you're making fun of?

[Co-host]

Married to a man. Married to a man. Homosexual is what I mean. And he's a conservative. We have to conserve old school conservative values. Right. Like Christianity, but also he's Jewish. But recently what he's done is.

[Matt]

There you go.

[Co-host]

No, no, because it's interesting. Because he's Jewish, but Judeo Christianity. You see how that. Like these two things, it was like, oh, but I'm going to slip these titles so he'll use the word. Me and my husband adopted two boys, and of course, it's always boys. And Owen, Benjamin or anybody else will go, you didn't adopt two boys. You brought babies.

[Matt]

But, yeah, they. Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

And why is it always male babies?

[Matt]

But like he said, it's not bad to adopt, but let's just call it what it is.

[Co-host]

It's by. You bought a baby.

[Matt]

I know, but people hate me for the same thing. I'm like, there's nothing wrong with going to the Sunday show, but let's stop with the shenanigans and call it what it is. It's a show.

[Co-host]

I was listening to Pastor Rick and Shout out that episode came out yesterday. Crushed it, he did. There was a Freudian slip in the beginning there. I don't know if you caught it. Oh, how didn't you catch that? What was it when he said, yeah, on Sundays we do the show. And then he goes, I saw that service. I know you saw that. And I was just like, damn it, man.

[Matt]

I went like that.

[Co-host]

But because it's. And it's not even like an admission he's not doing anything wrong, but it is a show, you know, like, we're practicing to do a show. There's a Whole entire production. So it is a bit of a show, right? Like, but we call it a show. We call it. We call it Sunday service. What it is, is a show. So again, the two words, the same thing, but one is softening the blow.

[Matt]

If we could at least call it a show, I think people would be more responsive, though.

[Co-host]

But then what do you do in the situation here? And this is something that I'd ask Owen as well. You have. I don't know, let's say you have drag queens coming up to do a burlesque show. That's a show. And then you have Pastor Rick going up to bring forth the word of God. But before that, there's going to be music and there'll be a video and there'll be microphones and lights. They're both shows, but we have to create a distinction between a guy dressed as a woman showing off fake boobs versus, like, somebody's best effort to bring forth the word of God. So I understand the. The use of word. I don't. I don't like it. That's why I said my. Even my own words are manipulation. Right? Like. Like, we're going to deal in manipulation from talking to your uncle about the nephilim, I have to then manipulate because. Well, first off, you've already been manipulated. Like, we got to start there. You've been manipulated for years and years and years, and now I'm here to try to break the spell. How do I do it? Yes.

[Matt]

Saying that bluntly to somebody is a great way to start.

[Co-host]

That's. That's heavy. I don't even know if people can hear that.

[Matt]

But then you just say, so do you want to do that or no? Because I'm good either way. I'm good either way.

[Co-host]

I don't break your paradigm.

[Matt]

I'm not telling you anything. If you want it, great. If not, I'll dust my shoes off and go to another town.

[Co-host]

But even so, what I'm engaging in still is manipulation, because I am still like, my. The words that I'm crafting to break that spell, it's.

[Matt]

They're manipulating them in a way to do that.

[Co-host]

Sure. Any. Every. Anytime I tweet, every word is. Well, most of the time, the words are placed carefully.

[Matt]

I wish I was good at that. I'm terrible. I'm just like, should send things. And then I hit the send button.

[Co-host]

Are you just voice to text and

[Matt]

say, like, that was a way more important text. I shouldn't have just hit the send button so quick. I should have clarified What I was saying, I don't.

[Co-host]

I don't do it every time. But you're great at that when it's important. And you have to craft a thing. Right. You have to craft it now. Now we're talking about wordcraft, which is like, spell casting.

[Matt]

This whole. This whole book is about that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And that's your big takeaway when you read this book is you're like, why can't. I would say 999,000 out of 100,000. But now I'm like, there's not. I don't know that there's one pastor in America that could articulate it the way this book articulates it, which is specifically of, like, how evil the world is and to not be seduced and deceived by the world. When the Bible goes to great lengths to say, don't be deceived by the world, the world is evil. If any man loves the world, the love of the father is not in him. It goes to great lengths to say, like, you adulterers and adulteresses know you not, that the love of the world makes you an enemy of God. Okay. But that's not what we're taught in church. We're taught to cozy up with the world. This book exposes the world on a level that's, like, not exposed within the church system. So. So you. So it does make you say, okay, what's happening here? What's happening here? Which I'm already like that. I'm already like that with the Dudo and Benjamin, because, as you know, our destinies are intermin. Intermingled, if you will. If Owen Benjamin doesn't get invited to Bohemian Grove last year.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You don't get kicked out of Leesburg.

[Co-host]

Amen.

[Matt]

You don't get kicked out of Leesburg. You don't come into the Standard Coffee Shop.

[Co-host]

I don't come to the Standard coffee Shop. You never beg me to open up a podcast studio here.

[Matt]

I don't beg you to open a podcast studio. And then I don't become the third member of Nephilim Death Squad.

[Co-host]

And then you get kicked out.

[Matt]

If I don't become the third member of Nephilim Death Squad, I don't ever get kicked out of Nephilim Death Squad. If I don't ever get kicked out of Nephilim Death Squad, I don't have the straight Bible podcast. So the whole thing goes back to Owen Benjamin. In a weird way. In a weird way, you're like, oh, you're stretching, like, okay, but I'm not gonna deny that, like, in a very bizarre way like that, like, the story of Owen Benjamin now has somehow caused this thing in my life. And I just think it's God saying, hey, keep your eye on that.

[Co-host]

Well, it's funny because Owen is played and it's so gay to, like, go back and I'm like. And glazing. But I'm just. I don't want to. I don't want to act like I'm glazing. I'm just telling the truth of what happened. A lot of people go, oh, there goes top. He's doing his impression of Owen Benjamin is like, I don't know. The guy played a pivotal role in my thinking. I remember 2017.

[Matt]

What do you mean, they say you're acting like him?

[Co-host]

Well, because I. Because I do things like him.

[Matt]

Because his way is a very natural way. It's a very. It's almost like it's in us, but we're afraid to, like, act like that

[Co-host]

because I think what he's. What he does is the way you're supposed to act.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And you. And you find out that, like, okay, if I apply that principle over and over again and act like this, it's going to be rough, but the outcome eventually will be good. And luckily enough, I was able to watch him and watch him do all the mistakes and do all the things and then see him still end up, like, good. He's a. I mean, him moving to. To Idaho was a reason why, like, I'm in New York and I'm thinking, I'm like, I gotta get my own land. You know, I gotta get out of this hellhole. Like, it's a spell that was broken. That's one of the spells that, like, I'm happy as a pig. And look at me with my, you know, expensive house, and I got a little patch of concrete, and I'm in New York, and people really like this area and was like, yeah, look at me. And then you. You realize, like, oh, no, this is not wealth. This is actually a curse. And that. So he breaks that spell for me, and it's like just finding him accidentally, maybe on Rogan or something. And then I'm like, let me listen to this guy.

[Matt]

Did he go on Joe Rogan?

[Co-host]

He was on Rogan a lot, like, back in the.

[Matt]

Yeah, they're not buddies now, though.

[Co-host]

Something happened. He was on Rogan, and he said he was actually on with this guy, Kurt Metzger, which is very funny. And that episode, like, kind of went sideways because they were joking. Rogan was joking, and Owen was trying to make, like, a profound point. He's like, hey, hey, you guys are headed toward destruction, like, that kind of thing. And I think that was a mistake

[Matt]

on Owen's part to go serious, because he's always playing the part of the joker comedian. Yeah, yeah. The part of the joker is to expose it, but not so serious when you expose it.

[Co-host]

Yeah, but the thing is too, like, it. It's. It's a relatable part of the journey, which I've been on as well, when we're talking about manipulation. And how are you going to talk to people when something just happened to you? You figure out Christianity, right? You figure out God, you're like, wait a second. God's like, the thing I gotta tell everybody. And when they don't, when they're like, yeah, yeah, all right, all right. You're like, no, no, no, sit down. You need to hear this. And it's like, it becomes preachy, and you get serious, and it's not fun and it's not funny. Although it was still funny because Zone Benjamin. But, like, I feel like he got a little. He got more serious than he should

[Matt]

have in that moment on that show, not in general.

[Co-host]

And that made it so that, like, whatever he was saying wasn't, like, the audience received. The immediate audience didn't. Couldn't perceive it. He was. I. I could perceive because I was already, like, going that way, but those guys know. And then. I don't know. I guess at that point, Rogan was, like, blacklisted him. He's like, this guy can't come back on. Don't. We don't want him anywhere near anything. And he had already been canceled from

[Matt]

a bunch of other stuff. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay, so let's just get into the fact that he is King David.

[David]

Like, what?

[Matt]

Like, what other way would it be? Yeah, what do you mean? Like, let's. What other better way, if he is King David, to get everybody off his track than to trash King David? I mean, I don't know. I don't know the whole. And I don't. I don't know him, like, super good. I saw him on Tucker, and I'm reading, like, you know, three chapters into his book, but I've read those chapters, like, slowly and taken it. Take a lot of thought about it produced a lot of extra thinking about a lot of other stuff, dude. Like, I've seen him in some snippets here and there. I know some stories you've told me.

[Co-host]

I think that's why, like, I. I called you immediately. I was like, yo, have you seen what he said about David? And it's like, some people like, oh, well, he's comparing the God.

[Matt]

Well, the chat was Bible mean stuff, too. The chat that loves him was.

[Co-host]

Well, they were getting mad about it. And I was like, all right, you gotta understand, number one, you have to let somebody like this, like, if it's been this long that you've been following him and you've been laughing with them and you've been learning with him. You have to let somebody explore.

[Matt]

And I think I saw a post where he said, I have a lot of new people following me now, so I just want to make this clear up front.

[Co-host]

Another thing.

[Matt]

And he just, like, he went hard due to offend. He's like, if you're gonna get offended by this, don't be here. Was kind of what he was saying.

[Co-host]

It's another thing that I learned.

[Matt]

Jesus does that. Jesus does that. He said, you're gonna have to eat my flesh and drink my blood. Everybody left.

[David]

I'm not.

[Matt]

I'm not saying on Benjamin. Jesus, stop, everybody.

[Co-host]

No, but it's. It's when you see somebody do a thing and you. Sorry. And you see that, it makes sense. You're like, yeah, I'm gonna. So, like, check this out. I'll make a tweet. I mean, like a while ago, I made a tweet, and it was, like, funny, but it was, like, racist toward black people. It was hilarious. Like, a plane crashed and. And then, like, black people started looting the plane. There's like. Like, white guy dying. And it's funny. I made it funny, too. I don't remember what I said. Super viral. Super viral. And because of that, I get a bunch of white people following me, and they're all like, f the black guy. Right? You know, and then I go. The next thing I do after. After I've amassed, like, 10,000 followers that, I don't know, clown the white guy. Oh, it's white. Yeah, it's white people time now. I'm talking about how you guys have sex with your dogs, your sisters are having sex with the family dog. They lose it. So that 10,000 gets right whittled down to seven. I'm good. You guys could stay. You know what I mean? So immediately. Immediately is what I.

[Matt]

That's kind of maybe like a safety net to make sure you don't let your crowd sit. Steer you. We're gonna get this up. Yeah, but I'm saying, oh, Benjamin's like, we're gonna get this clear up front.

[Co-host]

That's right.

[Matt]

I got a lot of people here. If you don't like this, leave now.

[Co-host]

You're not exactly.

[Matt]

So maybe he's in that process and that's why the stuff is like extra offensive right now.

[Co-host]

That's why maybe I don't even find it that offense. I find. I actually find something kind of funny, even though I just. I'm like. Some of them, like, I just disagree, but I think it's funny. I just, I think there are differences and I. Maybe I'm fundamentally broken because yes, most of the stuff I find we can agree on that I don't really find much offensive, but I find a lot of things very funny.

[David]

So.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. It's just a weird line to walk. So.

[Matt]

So let's just look at it and prove that he is in fact King David. Like, let's cut the bs. Yeah, he's actually King David.

[David]

That's what I'm saying.

[Matt]

He doesn't want everybody to figure out that he is King David. So he's like, I got to get him off the trail. Let me trash King David. So nobody ever assumes that figures out that I'm him.

[Co-host]

I don't know. I think, I don't even. I don't think he understands that. I think he.

[Matt]

I think he sees 100 doing that he doesn't want anybody to figure out. So he's trashing King David and doing a great job of it.

[Co-host]

I mean, in a sense, then you're trashing yourself. But I think he sees a figure that is intensely interesting and he's focused on it and I don't know.

[Matt]

And he's like doing things. He's tying in like things of like so called the modern Jews.

[Co-host]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Matt]

I guess the biting the wieners thing, like, that's not a Bible thing.

[Co-host]

Funny.

[Matt]

But I guess that's a modern juice thing. I don't. I don't know.

[Co-host]

Okay, okay, so that's.

[Matt]

We didn't understand that. I was like, what's he talking about?

[David]

But let's.

[Co-host]

Let's talk about. Do you.

[Matt]

Do you want.

[Co-host]

How do you want to do this? You want to read from.

[Matt]

Let's get into that. When we get into that. Let's just go right through the story. Let's just start in 1 Sam 16, chapter 16, verse 6.

[Co-host]

All right, here we go.

[Matt]

And it came to pass when they were come, that he looked on Eliab and said, surely the Lord's anointed is before him. Now the backdrop is this is Samuel has been sent to the house of Jesse to anoint one of Jesse's sons as king of Israel.

[David]

Okay?

[Matt]

That's the backdrop. Samuel shows up, he looks at Eliab, he says, oh, surely this is the one.

[Co-host]

Now we're like a warrior.

[Matt]

Yeah, he just. He just looks good, man. Verse 7. But the Lord said unto Samuel, look not on his countenance or on the height of his stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord sees not as man sees. For man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart. Okay? Then Jesse called Abinadab and made him pass before Samuel. And he said, neither had the Lord chosen this. Then Jesse said, made Shama to pass by. And he said, neither had the Lord chosen him. Again, Jesse made seven of his sons to passport before Samuel. And Samuel said unto Jesse, the Lord has not chosen any of these. And Samuel said unto Jesse, is this all your kids? Are all your kids here? And he said, well, there remains yet the youngest. And behold, he keeps the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, send and fetch him, for we will not sit down till he comes here. And he sent and brought him in. Where are we reading do 13? And he sent and brought him in. Now he was ruddy and with all of a beautiful countenance and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, arise, anoint him, for this is he. Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brethren. And the spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up and went to Rama. Okay, so what are we saying? We're saying David doesn't even get invited, right? To his brother's anointing ceremony. They think one of his brothers is going to get anointed. They don't even invite him. Why is that? Because he's a loner. He's a loner. He's a shepherd. He's out there all alone. He's almost like a. And the bears in the chat will know what I'm talking about. Others may not. He's almost like a pirate ninja with no crew.

[Co-host]

Can we stop with the ninja stuff? Okay, time travel is pushing it, but the ninja stuff.

[Matt]

This is Owen Benjamin's own words. He wanted to be a pirate. He wanted to be a ninja. He used to make nunchucks. He used to make nunchucks, dude. And, like, come home and play with the nunchucks. You haven't read the book. I read it. He wanted to be a pirate, and he wanted to be a ninja. And he was a loner, but he knew he needed a crew. Well, guess what? David was the same thing. Say. Well, how do you know David wanted a crew? Because later he does get a crew. Just keep that in your back pocket. Keep in your back. We're just going to go through this. We're just doing a Bible study. Maybe you'll enjoy it, maybe not. But you're going to see there's a lot of interesting details and comparisons between these two guys lives. Okay, let's look at. We'll just keep going in chapter 16. We'll go 14 through 23. But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul in an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. And Saul's servant said unto him, behold, now an evil spirit from God troubles thee. Let our Lord now command thy servants which are before thee to seek out a man who is a cunning player on a harp. And it shall come to pass when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand and you shall be well. And Saul said unto his servants, provide me now a man that can play well and bring him to me. Now remember, Saul's going to be representative of the system, right? Like, like the world system, Hollywood, the entertainment industry, whatever you want to call

[Co-host]

it at this point.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yes. Saul is the system the whole way through. Saul represents the system, but not.

[Co-host]

Not initially, though. Initially? Wasn't he just. He's just a shepherd.

[Matt]

Right, Right. No, this is where our story picks up, though. Where our story picks up. He's already king. He represents the king and the authority of that entirety of the system. And the system says, yeah, hey, bring us the guy that plays the harp. And as you know. Hold on, let's just. Let's just read the rest of it. Saul said on the surgeons, provide me now a man that can play well and bring him to me. Then answered one of the servants and said, behold, I have seen a son of Jesse, the Bethlehemite that is cunning and playing and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war and prudent in matters and a comely person, and the Lord is with him. Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse and said, send me David, thy son which is with the sheep. Remember, he's a loner. He's a loner. And Jesse took an ass laden with bread and a bottle of wine and a kid and sent them by David and Saul. And David came to Saul and stood before him, and he loved him greatly. And he became his armor bearer. So it wasn't the main guy. Right. But he was more of a guy in the background. The system said, hey, come. Come on in. Come on in. Owen Benjamin.

[David]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

You could be the writer.

[Matt]

You're not really the main guy, but you're kind of in the background. You're an armor bearer, but. But you're welcome in our system.

[David]

Come on.

[Matt]

And Saul said to Jesse, saying, let David, I pray thee, stand before me, for he has found favor in my sight. And it came to pass when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took a harp and played with his hand. So Saul was refreshed and was well in. The evil spirit departed from him. So what are we saying? Well, one, he's like a true Renaissance man. Right. He's got. He's like. He's a soldier. He's a warrior. But he also plays the harp, which some would argue is the most feminine instrument outside of the piano.

[Co-host]

Well, it's the same. I don't. Hold on. I'll pull up a picture of a harp. But it. A harp is a piano laid out.

[David]

Oh.

[Co-host]

They're actually fairly cheap. And I assume the one that David was playing is a much smaller harp, but, like. Here you go. You check this out.

[Matt]

So. So he writes poetry, he plays a harp.

[Co-host]

This is what a harp looks like.

[Matt]

And if you lay it very feminine,

[Co-host]

I think it's kind of dope.

[Matt]

I do, too. I would love to see somebody play one.

[Co-host]

Yeah. If you lay this down and you sit at the front of it and attach it to ivory keys or attach hammersley.

[Matt]

A piano.

[Co-host]

It's. No, it's exactly a piano.

[Matt]

Okay, so he. So he's tending the sheep, probably making cheese. He's a loner. The system will take him in. The system will take him in. As long as it's satisfying the system right along. As long as he's playing the harp for the system, they'll keep him around till they no longer need him. Let's just keep reading. So now we're in chapter 17, verses 38 and 40. Let's see here. This is when. This is when he goes up against Goliath.

[David]

Right.

[Matt]

He takes on the giant,

[David]

which.

[Matt]

What more masterful thing for Owen Benjamin to do to get people off the trail that he's King David than to say, like, he's the giant. This way, nobody's on. Nobody's on to him, Right?

[Co-host]

Well, he is a giant. What, are you gonna see him?

[Matt]

Yeah. But King David might have been a lot bigger than we think, dude. And maybe the giant was a lot bigger than we think.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And Saul armed David with his armor, and he put a helmet of brass upon his head. Also, he armed him with a coat of mail.

[Co-host]

That's interesting.

[David]

Right?

[Co-host]

Because if he was his armor bearer. Right, right. Like, that's almost like an anointing, like a switching of. Of there.

[David]

But what.

[Co-host]

What he does next is also really interesting.

[Matt]

Yeah. He says, I can't use what's traditionally used.

[Co-host]

Keep reading.

[Matt]

And Saul armed David with his armor, and he put a helmet of brass on his head. Also, he armed him with a coat of mail. And David girded his sword upon his armor, and he essayed to go eat. Like, he went a step or two and was like, nah, I'm not doing this. He has said to go, for he had not proved it. And David said unto Saul, I cannot go with these, for I have not proved them. And David put them off him. And he took his staff in his hand and chose him five smooth stones out of the brook and put them in a shepherd's bag, which he had even in a script. And his sling was in his hand, and he drew near to the Philistine. Right. We all know the story he runs at the philistine. He kills him. I'm simply saying that this is just like Owen Benjamin going into Hollywood and doing things completely different than what was traditionally done at that time. He. He's kind of saying, no, I got my own style. Saul says, no, no, no. This is what the industry does. And he's doing things like punked.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

That was way outside the norm at that time, dude. Yeah, yeah. Like, he comes into the system. The system says, here, use what we use. He says, no, I kind of got my own thing. Kind of got my own thing.

[Co-host]

It's funny, too. One of the. One of his oldest jokes, the Starbucks one. No, no, no.

[Matt]

That's a great one, dude. Where he puts penis on the cup. They say, what's your name?

[Co-host]

When he. He does the LGBT joke, the L's do this, the bees do that, the G's do this, but the T's, you know, like, they're doing. And he makes that joke, and like. Like, it. It goes well, but it doesn't get attention. And then almost word for word, years later, on Netflix, somebody bites it. You know who bites it?

[Matt]

Who?

[Co-host]

Dave Chappelle.

[Matt]

But he gave him props for it. He didn't.

[Co-host]

No, no, no, no. You don't have to do that. Owen Benjamin is dead. He's dead to that. That world.

[Matt]

Okay, now, but you're jumping the story, dude.

[Co-host]

I'm just saying, you're jumping the story.

[David]

We just.

[Matt]

We have to watch these parallels, though. Their stories are running parallel.

[David]

This is.

[Co-host]

This is why I. This is why I was like, yo, we have to do this because it's interesting. I hope Owen doesn't find it offensive. It's just.

[Matt]

It's not gonna find it offense. It is.

[Co-host]

It's a bit offensive. It's like if somebody took your whole life and they just put it up on, like, under a microscope, and they're like, let's study this thing and see what.

[Matt]

No, no, he's gonna like it. He's gonna, like. He's gonna be like, wow, this dude's like, took a look at my life,

[Co-host]

and we'll see if he doesn't like it.

[Matt]

I'm sure he's gonna be like, wow. There is some interesting similarities with King David because. Because sometimes you read a Bible passage and you really don't like a guy and come to find out it's like, oh, yeah.

[Co-host]

Because he's like me.

[Matt]

I have some of these qualities. That's what happens to me anyway. That happens to me anyway.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay, watch this. So now we're in. We're moving into the next stage of the journey. So we're in 1757 through 18 4. You got that picture?

[Co-host]

Yeah, I do.

[Matt]

Okay, hold on. Where are we at? 57. And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistines, that's after he killed the giant. And then he kills the giant, and then the Philistines run. It's a. It's a great. He doesn't just win for himself. Owen Benjamin spreads a victory for everybody. Right. And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistines, Abner took him and brought him before Saul.

[Co-host]

Well, it's funny, right? So, like, I guess, yeah, at this point, he does win for everybody, but

[Matt]

for the system now, as of right now, he's still in the system. The system still loves him.

[Co-host]

But within the system now, there's. There is division.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Co-host]

Because people now are looking at. At David, right?

[Matt]

Not yet. Not yet. He's a nobody right now. He's a nobody.

[Co-host]

Not after he kills him.

[Matt]

Well, we're getting to that. Brought him and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand. So here comes this young guy, David. He shows up to the system. He's got the head of the Philistine in his hand. Dude, he's just. He's just holding his head. The system is like, okay, damn, what do we do with this guy? This guy's on another level, but he's very valuable to us. Like this guy. Like most people just roll up with a giant head in their. In their hand and go, hey, what's up, King? What's up? What do you want to do here? They're like, we don't know what to do with this guy, but we like him on our team right now. And Saul said to him, whose son are you, young man? And David answered, I am the son of thy servant Jesse, the Bethlehemite. And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David. And Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Now all of a sudden, there's this bond between Jonathan and David, right? That's. That's crazy. It's crazy how bonded they are. And it almost doesn't make sense. And some people are offended by it that they could be so tight, especially this guy. Jonathan is from the system, so watch this. And Saul took him that day and would let him go no more home to his father's house. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him and gave it to David in his garments, even to his sword, into his bow and to his girdle. Now, what could this be representative of in Owen Benjamin's life?

[Co-host]

I don't know.

[Matt]

And this is. This is where we have another similarity.

[Co-host]

It's funny too, because like some of these passages, this is like, is David doing gay stuff with Jonathan where he says, like, he loved him as, like a woman?

[David]

No, no.

[Matt]

Sometimes people make a bond that's on another level. Right?

[Co-host]

So what does this mean?

[Matt]

So what would this bond be in Owen Benjamin's life? Imagine who is the guy, he makes it. He makes a covenant with David that will affect him for the rest of his life. Right? Just like the man in your life who convinced you to be a father. Think about this. Think about this for a minute. Vince Vaughn. Do we have the picture? Vince Vaughn is a man from within the system that's made this unbreakable bond between himself and Owen Benjamin. He's convinced Owen Benjamin to be a father, which is the greatest thing in Owen Benjamin's life. Now he calls. So that's another thing we have in common. We're both tight with Vince Vaughn.

[Co-host]

You don't know Vince Vaughn.

[Matt]

Look, Vince Vaughn, I'm in the picture with him. We're in Capri.

[Co-host]

He looks very uncomfortable that you're in the amalfi.

[Matt]

Coast right there, dude, I hung out with him in the Amalfi Coast. Now think about this. They make this bond that's so tight. That's me and Jess and Vince Vaughn.

[Co-host]

You've got to stop. You're not with Vince Vaughn.

[Matt]

This is the strongest bond that could have been made. Jonathan, who's from the system, doesn't turn on him. He in fact, makes a covenant with David that will affect him for the rest of his life. Just like the man in your life who convinced you to be a. To be a father. Jonathan is Vince Vaughn. Okay? I'm telling you, dude, I'm telling. The parallels are. Are out of control here.

[Co-host]

This is deep conspiracy, okay?

[Matt]

Now this. Now the system loves him that you're not gonna ask me about when I met Vince Vaughn, okay?

[Co-host]

What. What happened? Because I. I can see.

[Matt]

We went to Italy together.

[Co-host]

You did not go to Italy together with Vince Vaughn. I can see very clearly here that Vince Vaughn doesn't know you. And you've taken a picture of yourself as he's walking by. You go, babe, I think that's Vince Vaughn. Let's take a selfie in the news.

[Matt]

No, no, I didn't think it was. I walked up to him. Somebody we were on the trip with was like, matt, Vince Vaughn's over there.

[Co-host]

He's another dude. That's huge. This guy's tall, right?

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, we were in the Amalfi coast, dude. And yeah, he's in, like, basketball clothes and, like, long socks pulled all the way up. And he looked kind of dorky. But I always love this dude, man. Funny and funny.

[Co-host]

I.

[Matt]

So I walked up to him, I said, bro, and I'm. And I mean, this dude, which is so crazy, which is this other weird thing that Owen Benjamin was like, this buddy with. This guy is. I was like, bro, best actor ever. Shook it. Shook his ankles. Thanks, pal. I said, wedding Crashers. Best movie ever. Which, like, that was a long time ago. Did I love that? No, Wedding Crashers is like the classic movie dude. That's the funnest. Especially Vince Vaughn's acting in that movie, the one liners and how quick and witty they are. It's just like, I was like, I like this guy, but I. But is that right? Was he writing for him at that time? Like a lot of those one liners and like, the craziest stuff.

[Co-host]

Oh, probably.

[Matt]

Maybe on Benjamin's involved. It's probably like 05 around that time. I don't know. But I like that kind of like, witty, funny, because I used to not on purpose, but on drugs. Like, walk into situations where me and Jess were supposed to be acting like grown ups around that time. And I would try to do, like, an icebreaker and I would just end up saying the craziest stuff. I get, like, nervous to be around normal people. And we were always trying to act like we were, like, normal grown ups and just. So I'd walk in and try to just break the ice and just say the crazy. Like, I would ramble on some crazy thing. I was like, it's kind of like what Vince Vaughn does in some of these movies. And I kind of liked him like that. So anyway, we were tight, so I told him that and then we walked away. I didn't know enough at the time to just say, hey, can I get a picture with you? Like, I didn't decide to say that.

[Co-host]

The worst thing, I was like, sweetie,

[Matt]

he's right behind us. Let's do a selfie and get him in the picture. And you can see him. He's, like, looking at. It's like he knows what we're doing.

[Co-host]

Did he say anything to you after you did it?

[Matt]

No, no, he just was like.

[Co-host]

He's like, yeah, but right away.

[David]

Yeah, he was.

[Matt]

But initially there was, like a genuine smile away. I was like, bro, best actor ever. Like, he knew I wasn't just gassing him up. Like, he knew I meant it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And he was like, thanks, pal. And like, we did the fist bump. I'm pretty sure it was a fist bump. All right, so the system. Let's get back to this. So just. Just stay with that. Vince Vaughn is.

[Co-host]

Okay, I didn't expect this. So let's, let's. Let's roll with it.

[Matt]

Vince Vaughn is Owens. Jonathan.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Matt]

What? David is to Jonathan. Owen Benjamin is to.

[Co-host]

Vince Vaughn has to die. That's not cool.

[Matt]

No, no, no, no. There's a lot of parallels here, dude.

[Co-host]

All right?

[Matt]

A lot of parallels. All right, so the system loves him because they have a common enemy in the Giant and the Philistines, and they welcome them in with open arms. So who's that enemy? It's the American people. It's the crowd. It's the people to come to the shows, come to the movies, come to the comedy place, come to, you know, all the things. Watch the TV show, all the stuff. Right? As long as Owen Benjamin was in cahoots with the System for that, yeah, they welcomed him in. He was welcome with open arms. Once the system no longer needs him, it discards him. So why does Saul, who represents the system turn on David because slowly but surely that system represented by King Saul begins to lose its mind. Let's look at 18:5. And David went out wheresoever did it ever.

[Co-host]

So like I let's also clarify, from the very beginning, it has already lost its mind. But it this progresses.

[Matt]

Yes. I mean, Saul always was what he was. We talk about this a lot. Satan was a liar from the beginning. He was a murderer from the beginning. It takes time to manifest. Saul always was what he was. But a certain time period came along where he starts to lose it. Yeah, there's a certain time period comes along where the system starts to lose it and no longer can tolerate having David around descent no longer can tolerate having Owen Benjamin be around. David went out wheresoever Saul sent him and behaved himself wisely. Remember, this is representative of ob and Saul sent him over the men of war. And he was accepted in the side of all the people and also in the sight of Saul's servants. So even though he's young in the game, everybody's looking at him and they like him. Even. Even in that system, they're like, something about this guy. And it came to pass as they came when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all the cities of Israel singing and dancing to meet King Saul with tabrets with joy and with instruments of music. And the women answered one another as they played and said, saul has slain his thousands, but David is ten thousands. Right. They like them. Yeah, yeah, they like them. And Saul like punk is big hits, Vince Vaughn, big hits. The system likes them. The people, the crowd likes them. Saul was very roth and in the saying displeased him. Now the system starts to get a little jealous. He said, they have ascribed unto David 10,000. To me they have ascribed but thousands. And what can he have more but the kingdom? And Saul eyed David from that day forward. Now, I don't know enough about Owen's story to say when this happened, so I. But this definitely happened. Yeah, I don't know how this came about, but this came about where the system started to I him and was ready to get rid of him. I'll keep reading. And it came to pass on the morrow that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul. A lot of people don't like that passage. God won't send the evil spirit. Okay, it says it right there. Came to pass on the morrow that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul. And he prophesied in the midst of the house and David played with his hand. And as at other times. And there was a javelin in Saul's hand. So David's still there playing the harp for Saul so that he's soothed, he's soothing the system, if you will, for a time. And Saul cast the javelin for he said, I'll smite David even to the wall with it. And David avoided out of his presence twice.

[Co-host]

So he threw two, huh?

[Matt]

This happened two different times, man. They're just chilling in the house. But. But David's witty. Owen Benjamin, you ain't gonna get him like that, dude. Boom. He's quick. They go for him, he's out of there. You can't get him. You can't get him. He's got a destiny, if you will. And Saul was afraid of David because the Lord was with him. I'm not even going to unpack that. I'm just gonna say that like Owen Benjamin is not in the place where he's at today unless God has guided this whole thing. I'll just say that. And was departed from salt. Therefore Saul removed him from him and made him his captain over a thousand. And he went out and came in before the people. And David behaved himself wisely in all his ways. And the Lord was with him. Wherefore when saw that he behaved himself wisely, he was afraid of him. Keep saying this, right? But all Israel and Judah love David. The crowd loves David. The system is starting to turn on him because he went out and came in before them. And Saul said to David, behold my older daughter Mehrab. Her will I give you to wife only be valiant for me and fight the Lord's battles. For Saul said, let not my hand be upon him, but let the hand of the Philistines be upon him. So now he's trick. He's butt kissing David, but he's really hoping he dies. Yes. And David said in a Saul, who am I and what is my life for my father's family in Israel that I should be son in law to the king. But it came to pass at the time when Marib, Saul's daughter should have been given to David. That she was given unto Adriel the Maholathite to wife. And Mikal, Saul's daughter, loved David. And they told Saul and the thing pleased him. So now the system says, let's get some trickery in here. Let's offer him one of our females. I don't. I don't know. I'm just guessing. There's got to be something like that that happened with Owen. During that time period, he's in Hollywood, he's doing his thing. The system says, let's offer him one of our females. We'll get him, we'll trick him. And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him. That was his real motive, not to bless him, but to be a snare to him. And that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, you shall this day be my son in law in the one of the two. And Saul commanded his servant, saying, commune with David secretly and say, behold, the king has delight in you, and all his servants love you. Now therefore be the king's son in law. Now we're getting into this foreskin story. Sorry if that was a little slow, but we're getting in the foreskin story. And Saul's servants spake those words in the ears of David. And David said, seem it to you a light thing that I be a king's son in law, seeing that I'm just a poor man and lightly esteemed, I don't have the money for the dowry I would have to pay you to. To have your daughter.

[David]

And.

[Matt]

And the servants of Saul told him, saying, on this man or spake David. And Saul said, thus shall you say to David, the king desires not any dowry, but a hundred foreskins of the Philistines to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines, Right. It's all a setup. The system's trying to get him killed by the Philistines. Let the let one of their females be a snare to him. They're like, how do we get this guy? And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law. And the days were not expired, wherefore David arose and went he and his men and slew of the Philistines 200 men. He said, you want a hundred? I'm actually pretty good at your guys game. I'll bring you 200. This isn't my thing, but I'm good at your game. Here's you want 100. Here's 200. And David brought their foreskins and they gave them them in full tail to the king that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Mikal, his daughter to wife.

[Co-host]

Do you think that that was a mistake? Well, I mean, I guess David had to do this to play this, play this whole thing out. But no, they were at war.

[Matt]

This was. This was a war.

[Co-host]

What I mean is that like, is it a mistake to. Did David do this because he still wanted to be in the system? Did he understand this? I guess he. Maybe he understood that he had to take the system.

[Matt]

You always come with something like that? It's a good question.

[Co-host]

Yeah, because he's anointed to be king. But I don't know.

[Matt]

Right, right.

[Co-host]

So here's it. Here's a maybe.

[Matt]

Is he wondering what's the path like if he becomes. If the king is my father in law, then maybe potentially that's my path. I know I've been anointed king by Samuel. Maybe this is the way it goes.

[Co-host]

That's the path. But on the other hand, like Owen Benjamin path is like. No, no, he's the. He's actually the king of Bertaria.

[Matt]

You see, you're jumping the gun.

[Co-host]

This is a separate kingdom.

[Matt]

You're jumping the gun.

[Co-host]

Okay, sorry.

[Matt]

He doesn't just start off like that.

[Co-host]

You're being nasty.

[Matt]

Let's get back to that though.

[Co-host]

Keep reading.

[Matt]

Didn't you say that Owen Benjamin has reaped some foreskins as well? To that extent?

[Co-host]

No. I mean, I don't think it pertains. But like, I was like. If you're talking about like scalps. You were asking me who Andrew Wilson is. You want to know who Andrew Wilson is? He's a man that dominates dumb woman in debates. Like only fans people in debates, but can't open a pickle jar. He's a guy that.

[Matt]

So you're saying when own Benjamin clowns that guy. He scalps him.

[Co-host]

He took his scalp.

[Matt]

Okay, so he's taken foreskins.

[Co-host]

Too many scalps.

[Matt]

Okay? Many foreskins.

[Co-host]

I don't know if he's taking the foreskins, but he's taking the top of their heads. Well, I guess it's the same thing.

[David]

I don't know.

[Matt]

And Saul saw and knew that the Lord was with David. So the system knows, okay? This guy's got something we don't. And that Mikal, Saul's daughter, loved him. And Saul was yet the more afraid of David. And Saul became David's enemy continually. So this enemy vibe starts to increase now. Then the princes of the Philistines went forth. And it came to pass after they went forth that David behaved himself more wisely. Remember that just keeps coming up. Then all the servants of Saul, so that his name was much set by. And Saul spoke to Jonathan, his son into all his servants that they should Kill David. So now it's not just the Philistines. It's not just his dot one of their females for a snare. Now he's even trying to get Vince Vaughn. So who knows if there was a time where the system came to Vince Vaughn and said, hey, man, you got to get on out of here. Right? Yeah, but watch what Vince Vaughn does.

[Co-host]

Well, that's what I. Oh, to him. I don't know. But, like, we know that that's happened.

[Matt]

Really? Well, that's exactly what this is saying.

[Co-host]

But not, like, again, I don't know from Vince Vaughn. No, but, like, from other people.

[David]

Oh, okay.

[Co-host]

Where they've been told. Yeah, they've been told.

[Matt]

Well, that's what this system's doing.

[Co-host]

That's probably by Joe Rogan. I'll be honest again, I don't want to say these names, but, like. Like, yeah, it seems like that's what happened with Rogan, and then he was Persona non grata to everybody.

[Matt]

Okay, everybody, okay, this is what I'm saying. This is a. He is King David. Owen Benjamin is King David. He's just trying to get us off the trail by, like, mocking King David right now. It's okay.

[David]

We love him.

[Matt]

It's cool. Like, a secret safe with us and our, you know, listeners. It's not a big crowd. It's not a lot of people, but we know. We know. But Jonathan, Saul's son, delighted much in David. And Jonathan told David saying, saul, my father seeks to kill thee now. Therefore, I pray thee, take heed to thyself until the morning and abide in a secret place and hide thyself. So he's got homies on the inside. They want him dead, but he's got homies on the inside. Right, let's. Let's jump to 1918 through 24. Don't worry. It gets better from here. So David fled and escaped and came to Samuel, to Rama, and told him all that Saul had done to him. And he and Samuel went and dwelt in Naoth, and it was told Saul saying, behold, David is at Naoth and Ramah. Okay? So not only is the system trying to kill him from the inside, but now he's left the system. Okay? And Saul sent messengers to take David. So it's. So he's not even in the system, but they send messengers to pull his Airbnb. They send messengers to pull his PayPal. He's. He's already left. He's already left the system. Saul sent messengers to take David, and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying and Samuel standing as appointed over them. The spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. And when it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. And Saul sent messengers again, the third time, and they prophesied also.

[Co-host]

You want to know something funny how, like, how that starts off? I guess, like, his, like, sort of like awakening into the. What the system is. I mean. I mean, I think you always see it, but you. You don't accurately diagnose it. But his. His actual awakening was probably on the episode. You know who Joey Diaz is?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Hey, using Spider Man.

[Matt]

He used to have funny jokes a long time ago. He's hilarious. He was doing coke and had really funny coke jokes back in the day.

[Co-host]

I still think he's funny. I think he. He's like, I don't know anymore, but

[Matt]

I knew him a long time ago. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Joey Diaz, he was on his podcast, and I think Joey gave him, like, an edible, but he gave him something called the Star of Death, and it was like a really high. It was. I think it was weed, but when it's like that high milligram, it behaves like a psychedelic.

[Matt]

Yeah. If you eat a big. Like, my boy worm ate a banana n loaf in, like, 97.

[David]

Because we.

[Matt]

Because we had proposition 215 in Cali in 97 so you could get a medical marijuana card way back then. Yeah. So worm, you're supposed to eat a, you know, a slice of the banana nut bread. He ate the whole loaf, and he was tripping like acid or mushrooms.

[Co-host]

That's what it was like.

[David]

So.

[Co-host]

Yeah, but I. It's weird because I gave it to

[Matt]

Owen Benjamin or gave it to Joe Rogan.

[Co-host]

No, he gave it to Owen Benjamin.

[Matt]

Joey Diaz did.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

So Owen takes it, and that's what people say. They're like, oh, he took. He took the pill and he lost his mind. And that's why he. Like, if. I'm telling you, if you watch Rogan

[Matt]

Show, I need to know more Owen's story.

[Co-host]

When you watch Rogan show, sometimes he'll talk about Owen and. And when he talks about him, it's like a funeral. He's like, yeah, man. He took one edible with Joey Diaz, and poor guy lost his mind. He ended up moving to Idaho and becoming a dad.

[Matt]

What? Like, that's their take on it.

[Co-host]

That's their take. Their take is like, like, man.

[Matt]

And it was bad because he became a dad.

[Co-host]

Well, there is a part. There is. There is A part of that story. Like, right after that, like, he bugs out and he, like, leaves the interview because he's like. He said he's looking at Joey. Yeah.

[Matt]

I wouldn't stick around if I was super high either.

[Co-host]

No, listen to this dude. Joey Diaz is talking to him and he's like, what's wrong with you? Like, doing his Joey Diaz thing. And he goes. He says his face, like, melted off and he was like the face of a demon. And he, like, got up and left, and he's. Now he's like, you know, imagine you're on an edible. And I think it's. It's more like you're being dosed as well, because you don't. If you're not expecting to go on a trip like that, that's up. Like, if you get. You get hit with the drug that is way stronger than what you intended.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Even if you know what you're walking into, sometimes it's just too much, dude.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host]

And if you don't, that could. So, like, for a while there, he's.

[Matt]

I've been in that situation before on acid where I'm in, like, a basketball game at the high school and I'm just like, I got. I gotta get out of here. I can't look at another teacher or the principal or try to, like, act like I'm not super high. I got to get out of here.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Matt]

Imagine if you're. And then there's like, cameras on you and microphones. Yeah. You got to get out of Dodge, dude.

[Co-host]

I could just imagine, though, like, because I've taken edibles before, and you take an edible and if it's the right dosage, you feel nice.

[Matt]

My buddy Simmy Fun in India said that's how they eat it in India. Like, some dudes are just having a bag on their hip and they mix it with sugar and they'll just kind of eat weed. Yeah.

[David]

And you see. Yeah.

[Matt]

It's just chill.

[Co-host]

It could be. But if it's like super high doses.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Mushrooms. It changes your. Your life.

[Matt]

Worm went to every restaurant in that shopping center next to high school and threw up at each one. There was a pizza spot. He ate so much, he threw up. There was a Taco Bell. He ate so much and threw up. There was a hot dog spot. He ate so much and threw up. And I think it was a Carl's Jr. He ate so much and threw up.

[Co-host]

That's insane.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

So, yeah, but he was tripping.

[David]

But there's.

[Co-host]

There's a point in this story where, you know, Owen. Owen's got to go away, and he's going through the desert for a while because your life has just been changed radically.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Co-host]

And it was changed with the drug, in a sense, and now, like, all the pieces are on the floor. You got to pick them up and figure out what's what. It's a crazy story.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it's just funny to see the dynamic of people go, man, poor guy. And then you actually look at what he's doing, and you're like, now he's actually doing better. Like, way better.

[Matt]

Okay, we're getting to that.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay. And when it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, then went he also to Rama. That's the Saul, now the head of the system. And came to a great well, that is in set you. And he asked and said, where are Samuel and David? And one said, behold, they be at Naoth and Ramah. And he went there to Naoth and Rama. And the spirit of God was upon him also. And he went on and prophesied until he came to nails and Rama.

[Co-host]

You know what's crazy, too? I forgot. Put this in your pocket. This dude's so interesting.

[Matt]

He.

[Co-host]

There's also this, like, stint in his life maybe two, three years ago. I don't even remember. You remember when Kanye west was, like, kind of, like, going crazy with the whole Jew thing and he's doing his thing. You don't watch this stuff. You know, Kanye west is.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host]

Okay, good. We could start the day.

[Matt]

I saw a thing pop up that he walked out of Tim Cast or something. Like, he was on. Tim cast of mine was a Jew thing. I mean, I was on Tim Castle right after that.

[Co-host]

Like, less than a week after he was on, which is interesting.

[Matt]

You went on with that guy.

[Co-host]

Not with. Not with.

[Matt]

No, with the Tim guy.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I was on with. I should have walked out. Yo, dude.

[Matt]

If you want to imagine you on a show like that, dude, you just tried to act like a normal politics guy.

[Co-host]

That's a good. Yeah, it was. It's actually a really interesting episode because I didn't say anything, and I almost fell asleep. But at that point, Tim is dealing with the Daily Wire. Steven Crowder. You know who that is? There's a deal made with the Daily Wire and Steven Crowder, and they were at odds, and it. I think it has something to do with Israel and money. And Tim was extremely stressed out, man.

[Matt]

It always does.

[Co-host]

No, no, I'm. I'm being very serious when I say a man under levels of stress that you can't understand. That's what I'm dealing with. When I was looking at Tim that day, and that was unusual for his show.

[Matt]

Who wants that? Like who, like, who wants. Who wants, like so much money or fame or things from the system that you're just in exhaustion.

[Co-host]

It was evident to me that he was like beholden to something. And the deal between Ben Shapiro's show and Steven Crowder show, it was. It was tanking and he had something to do with it and he was just losing it. And I couldn't care less because I don't care about what Jews do in their affairs with money. Anyway, point is, do you understand how big Kanye west is?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Co-host]

Okay. Probably one of the biggest.

[Matt]

I remember Kanye when he came out, when he was like. When he got signed to Rockefeller, like, yeah, I know Kanye, but I don't know the later stuff. I guess he hooked up with one of the Kardashians.

[Co-host]

Yeah, this is after that too. This is after the divorce. This is when he's coming back. But he's never lost his popularity.

[Matt]

He's always like, he was really intriguing artist. Like, talented is one of my favorite.

[Co-host]

He's one of my favorite.

[Matt]

Really hard to see that. Yeah.

[Co-host]

And one of my favorite people for the same re. It's just funny that like Kanye pops up and he actually gets. Gets Owen Benjamin's number and he basically has Owen advising him on like joke writing and different topics and like that. But it's like. It's like a counsel to the king. It's a very strange thing. Again, shades of David in a way where. And I'm not saying that Kanye is Saul, but like recruiting this person to get input from. From Owen, like, truthful input, because he knows he's going to get.

[Matt]

Watch what happens to Saul when he also.

[Co-host]

Same. Same case for Shane Cashman. Shane Cashman had that same weird relationship with Kanye west, which again, this makes no sense.

[Matt]

Really? Yeah.

[Co-host]

Just like he invited him to his LA studio and they're like, he's like showing him the songs that he's making. He's asking him for advice about this and that. What do you think about this? I'm like, just straight and then, thanks, man. And that's like, you know, maybe call him here and there, but like weird overlaps of these type of people. And when you meet them in real life, you're like, that dude's special. I don't know why. I don't know what's going on with that guy. But it makes Sense why Kanye would pick them out of this big Internet thing and go, you.

[David]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Talking to you now.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

You know, but anyway, that's a Three chapters in.

[Matt]

I'm like, there's something here. There's something here with this dude. This is like, this is like a dude on another level. It's like, you're very clearly, like, you're reading what he's writing. You're saying, I don't fully know what I'm gonna make of this, but this is. We're definitely dealing with a man on another level.

[Co-host]

Right, Right.

[David]

Right.

[Matt]

Not even just like, oh, a cool podcaster or, oh, a cool guy in the news or whatever, but, like, this is a dude whose brain's operating on a higher level. There's something to see here. That's all I'm saying. But watch what happens. Saul sends messengers to take him down, right? He said, they take his PayPal, they take his Airbnb, they take everything they camera. Then the system actually comes for himself. Saul comes himself. So Saul went there to naoth and Rama, and the spirit of God was upon him also. And he went on and prophesied until he came to naoth and Rama. So when the spirit of God comes on you, it's not always for, like, for your good. Watch what happens now. And he stripped off his clothes also and prophesied before Samuel in, like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore, they say, is Saul also among the prophets? What does. What happens if you start to engage with own Benjamin? He strips you naked. He strips you naked, dude.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt]

The system came at him. People come at him. Just read the book. Just read the book, dude. He strips things naked and bare.

[Co-host]

People know that. So this guy Clint, one of the reasons that he blocked me, he blocked me. He even blocked my phone number.

[Matt]

Why? Because Owen was hip to him.

[Co-host]

Owen was always hip to him. But when it came time for the Bohemian Grove, I, I, I felt like it was, you know, it was fair to, like, I wasn't, like, going and trying to trash the guy, but I felt like it's fair to tell the main performers, everyone you see on this and people that were involved. I'm like, hey, listen, these guys are not involved with this anymore. And then, of course, they go, well, what the happened? And then I tell. I'm not gonna lie. So I tell the story and I tell them, well, this is what happened from my perspective. And Owen went. He started to, like, scratch again at Clint, and Clint, like, freaked out, blocked me, blocked everybody and just moved away

[Matt]

because you don't want to get stripped naked.

[Co-host]

And, you know, that's what.

[Matt]

Hide with this dude. You look at this dude, you're like, if you have anything to hide with this guy, don't go in his presence. Like, don't let him. Don't be honest.

[Co-host]

And it's something I think about, too, like, as I like, because it's been a couple years now that I've been friends with them, and, like, I, you know, make contact with them, and I'm like, eventually. And I told him to. I told him when we were talking about the Tucker thing. I was like, he's like, I don't know if I should do it. And I was like, you should do it. Like, don't lose your soul doing this. But, like, this is an opportunity to talk. I think you should do that. And the conversation got to a place where I was like, hey, listen, I expect you to strip. Strip me naked if you see me doing some dumb. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be mad about it.

[Matt]

Sure. That's a good friend. Right? If they. If they say, hey, this is what's up.

[Co-host]

And the same for him, you know?

[Matt]

You know, the raven was mad at me for looking at the chat, not paying attention. He exposed it. He said it. That's a good friend. Yeah. I miss him. Okay, this next part, dude, I didn't even. This wasn't even part of it, dude, because I. I had no clue about the. Went kind of went a little crazy with the edible. No clue.

[Co-host]

There's a period of time where. Yeah, you got to go crazy.

[Matt]

Okay. Okay, let's read it.

[Co-host]

Yeah, because you have to figure it out.

[Matt]

Okay, let's read it. Now, you. Me, and you didn't talk about this at all before the show?

[Co-host]

I didn't talk about a lot of this.

[Matt]

I didn't know. Well, yeah, actually, any of it. But I didn't know any of that story that he ate the edible. I know anything about that. You ready for this part now? Okay, just remember, Owen, Benjamin is King David. And David arose and fled that day for fear of Saul, and went to Ashish, the king of Gath. And the servants of Ashish said unto him, isn't this David, the king of the land? Did they not sing one to another of him in dances saying Saul had slain thousands?

[Co-host]

What are we at?

[Matt]

1 Samuel 21.

[Co-host]

21. 21.

[Matt]

Yeah, 10 through 14.

[Co-host]

Gotcha. Go ahead.

[Matt]

10 through 15. Sorry. Isn't this David? Did they not sing one to another of him? In dances saying, saul has slain his thousands and David is ten thousands. And David laid up these words in his heart and was so afraid of Ashish, the king of Gath. And he changed his behavior before them and feigned himself mad in their hands and scrabbled on the doors of the gate and let his spittle fall down upon his beard.

[Co-host]

In a sense, that's how he did get out of. That's how he got out of Hollywood.

[Matt]

You're not surprising me. I just didn't know that yet. I'm saying Owen Benjamin is King David. So I'm not surprised by that at all. I just didn't know that yet. So there's probably a lot more in this story that ties perfectly with them. I just don't know his story that good yet. I know. I know a little bit of it. He pretends he. So he goes through this period of acting like a madman. He's, like, dribbling an invisible basketball, bro. He's, like, over in the corner playing checkers with himself. And he's, like, scrabbling on the door like this, and he's letting the drool come down his beard. Then said a sheish unto his servants. Lo, you see, the man's a madman. Wherefore then have you brought him to me? Have I need of mad men that you have brought this fellow to play the madman in my presence? Shall this fellow come into my house? So he's got this ability to respond in very crazy situations, and he's not afraid to do things that are, like, way outside the box. Way outside the box. So Owen Benjamin, remember this? He had to move around a little bit once he got kicked out of the system. There was something else I was reading where, like, he lived. Maybe it was on Tucker where he. Like, he lived. Maybe where his wife was from, or maybe he lived where he was from originally, New York or something like that. He said he had to move around a little bit. King David's doing the same thing, dude. He didn't find his place right away. He had. He got kicked out of the system. He had to leave Israel. The system wants him dead. The system's already taken his Airbnb. The system's already taken his PayPal. Like, he's gotta. He's gotta maneuver. He's got a maneuver. He doesn't find his spot immediately. Right? That. That's what this is. And he goes through a time period where he acts like a madman. It's all here. Owen Benjamin had to move around a little bit once he got kicked out of the system. He had to find his place or get in where you fit in. As too short would say. Okay, let's keep going. Okay, we're almost done. We're almost done. We're going into 1 Samuel 22 or 1.

[Co-host]

There's a lot more. I mean, well, I don't know.

[Matt]

I don't know enough of Ellen Benjamin's story to say all this stuff, how it all connect, but this stuff, the little bit that I know about him, I'm like, he's King David. It's the same story. Okay, 22, verse one.

[Co-host]

I really would like. I'd like his. His input back on this episode.

[Matt]

Because he's gonna say we're idiots.

[Co-host]

Well, no, I mean, if I've gotten. If I've gotten something wrong or if we're missing something or if we're like, maybe. Maybe that didn't really happen like that. It's a little more like this, you know, Am I exaggerating something? I don't know, but I want to know because it is kind of like. It is a little weird.

[Matt]

What? Even youth. You're so.

[David]

This is.

[Co-host]

Just keep reading.

[Matt]

Wait, so you're looking at this. You're saying, like, wow, these are. These are very intriguing parallels I'm trying to figure out. And he's trashing King David. Wow, there's all these very similar parallels.

[David]

All right.

[Co-host]

With, like. With most Bible characters, you can read them, and especially in their flaws. You can find a lot of yourself in most Bible characters. Even in. In Jesus, there. Not his flaws, but obviously, like, some of the things he does, you go, oh, yeah, I did that.

[Matt]

I don't know why so far. Are you seeing any flaws in David?

[Co-host]

Yeah. Where Flaws in David so far in the.

[Matt]

As far as we've read in the

[Co-host]

story up to this story. No, no. Like, okay, they come. They come in a little bit later.

[Matt]

Okay. Keep that in your back. Box it.

[Co-host]

Okay. I'm just saying. I don't know if I'm being fair. Am I attributing something that is like, can I put the story of David over most people's lives and they mirror no this closely? That's what I'm saying. Like, it's pretty. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.

[Matt]

No, dude, chat.

[David]

What do you.

[Co-host]

What do you think? I'm just being fair.

[Matt]

No, there's nobody that parallels King David.

[Co-host]

Like, okay, but we're being fair. Chat. Are we reaching?

[Matt]

Yeah. Where's the chat?

[Co-host]

They're over here. I don't know. Is this interesting? Are we reaching? Do you think that this is like.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Co-host]

Because I could also understand how this could be not. Not just offensive, but it could be annoying to somebody.

[Matt]

What do you mean?

[Co-host]

I don't If. If it's coming from the wrong person. If somebody came to me when I don't want to hear some like this.

[Matt]

Owen is a complete match.

[Co-host]

Okay, well, atmos. I. I trust atma. All right, well, let's keep going. Let's keep going. It's just interesting.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah. Abma knows what's up, right? Like on a lot of stuff.

[David]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Emma has good, good insight to a lot of things.

[Matt]

By own. They're critiqued. I'm not. He's not my buddy like that dude. I'm not gonna. He'd probably just be like, you're an idiot, but you're an idiot. Probably.

[Co-host]

Probably.

[Matt]

This is good. This is fascinating. I don't think I'll be annoyed.

[Co-host]

Yeah. A mild, mild reach.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Okay. That's fair. Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, you call. You called Vince Vaughn his. Jonathan, I got it. I got you.

[Co-host]

That's what. That's a little. I don't know. I don't know anything about Vince Vaughn, so I can't.

[Matt]

Okay. Is it okay if some of this is a little bit comedy too, or. No, this has to just be super serious. No, it's a little bit of both.

[Co-host]

I think we stepped.

[Matt]

I feel like there's a little bit of Owen Benjamin style comedy where he's like, doing a comedy. Like when he's talking about the raccoon and the minx. Is that. He says, like a minx is the cat.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He's saying it, like, so serious, but trying not to laugh. Like, he's saying it like it's so serious.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah. My duck Gary was found in the pool with an erection. He's saying it like it's so serious. But of course, there's an element of we're joking here, but joking.

[Co-host]

But then part of it, I'm like, man.

[Matt]

Well, okay. But yeah, it just. That's what I'm saying. This is Owen Benjamin style comedy, isn't it?

[Co-host]

I. I wouldn't even say it's comedy. I'd just say, like, yeah, it's just. I don't know.

[Matt]

Right. Okay. This is where it gets good, dude. We haven't even really got there. David therefore departed thence. Okay. He's trying to find his way. He's trying to find his place. He's trying to figure out where does he fit in. He goes to the first place. Then he has to act like a madman for a little bit. Okay, that's not the spot. Let me go to the next spot. Let me find my path here. David therefore departed there and escaped to the cave Adulam. And when his brethren and all his father's house heard it, they went down there to him. And everyone that was in distress and everyone that was in debt and everyone that was discontented gathered themselves unto Owen Benjamin. And he became a captain over them. So he's run out of the system. He goes out into the country, lives in seclusion in Idaho. And then a band of misfits, rejects, rebels, and outcasts from the system gather to him. Are you serious? Are you serious?

[Co-host]

That. That.

[Matt]

And then ultimately he guides this band of outcasts and rebels.

[Co-host]

That's. This is a part of the story where that's a direct overlap. Not. Not many other people do that.

[Matt]

There's nobody. There's nobody that lines up with this story. Like Owen Benjamin, dude. There's nobody.

[David]

Right.

[Matt]

These people gather to him and ultimately they take on the system. We're not. We're not going to keep reading any more of the story, but I'm saying that's what happens in the story is ultimately this band, this real. This band of real at like, what's the main thing I say about, like, why I love what we do way better than, like a regular church Bible study? Because these are the realest people, dude. The people that are, like, in this community are the realest people. Yeah, but they're offensive. Oh, but they're mocking the Bible. I'm okay with that, dude. I'm okay with just. Let's all pump the brakes for a minute. Let's pump the brakes, dude. We weren't all here. We're all still growing. We're all still finding our way. He mocks the godhead. It's. That's incredibly complicated topic. He's a comedian. Punk does just chill out for a minute. Let's just chill out for a minute. Let him do his thing. This story lines up incredibly perfect. He's guiding this people. He ends up with, like, the mighty man. You ever read the stories of the mighty? He ends up with straight badasses from society that the system never knew was badasses. Dude. They didn't know. They didn't know. They flock to David. He becomes a captain or a guide or a leader over them, and those people ultimately go take over the system. That's all I'm saying. This story is now where we are in Owen Benjamin story. I don't know. I don't know. All of the stories that he's pulling up now to kind of mock David. There's stuff that happens later after David sins with Bathsheba, that. That's where he brings this curse on. And that's where things get really bad for him. That's where things get really bad for him. Owen Benjamin's not that far in the story yet, right? I think this is where he's at. That's why I said we're not even going to read anymore. I think this is where Owen Benjamin's at in the story. Yeah. And so the question is, like, if, like, let's say David's story, King David's story is this long, Right. Where's the camera? King David's story is this long, Right. Owen Benjamin's only this far in the story, though. He's only this far in the story. You see what I'm saying? This is where he's at right now. It all parallels David. It all parallels David. Let's just see where this thing goes from here.

[Co-host]

With Owen Benjamin, what do you think about man? Because it's. It's interesting because people are. People are just. We're storytellers, but we live. We live through archetypes. I think this is like a Jordan Peterson point, but I'm sure Owen has touched on it as well, and

[David]

we

[Co-host]

repeat them, maybe subconsciously, unknowingly, these archetypes. So it's not the first time that he's probably heard. Heard the story of David. It's a popular story. People know that.

[Matt]

They don't. Most of them don't know the whole story. They know bits and pieces.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Maybe not close enough to, like, really put it together and look back and reflect and who knows, like, how would you even reflect on this? You're living your life. So it's like, why would you look. It's a. It's a weird thing.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Co-host]

Do you think it's possible. Do you think that you play out the whole story because this is the story of men?

[Matt]

No, I think God gives you and makes you aware that you're doing it and you be aware now, is that

[Co-host]

what the story is for? To see where you're at and then go, oh, no, no, we'll go the other direction here?

[Matt]

Yeah. 100.

[David]

That's what it says.

[Matt]

Isn't that what 1 Corinthians 10 says? All these stories were given to us as examples so that we would learn by them. So you look at a man's life you say, okay, I see these similarities in my life. Somehow we do latch on. And maybe that's what it means, that your name has to be written in the book of life. Like, you have to find yourself in this story, dude. For whatever reason, I looked at Abraham when I was 19, when I was like reading the Bible, was still doing a lot of drugs and stuff, and he left. He left where he was from. And I became very jealous of that. Like, he left where he was from. God said, get away from your kinfolk, get away from your family, your friends. Get away from everything.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And I remember thinking like, damn, I would love to do that. I would love to not be who I am right now. I would love to like, not go to a party and be expected to say like a 6 foot long toke or do like a 2 minute keg stand or just be drunk all the time and act like an idiot. I would make. What. What if, like, I. I could be whoever I want to be and not be like, who this system has told me I am. And I saw Abraham leave like that and I was jealous and I was like, I love that. And then one time I was taking a piss in Lake Tahoe on the side of the road on ecstasy and like drinking the whole way up there to Tahoe, and I was just taking a piss and the stars were like so close. It, like everything was so close and just right in my face. And I was just like, I just heard this voice say, you gotta leave here, you gotta leave. Not an audible voice, I'm just saying overwhelming in my spirit. This voice was like, you gotta leave here. Right. And so I connected to that story of Abraham and I had a model, if you will. And I was like, yeah, I gotta go and I'll be good, I'll be okay. Because God took Abraham somewhere. He had no clue what was out there. But Abraham had a sense of adventure and he knew he had God. He was down to go. I connected to that story. I was like, yeah, I gotta go. I gotta get out of here. And that would have been in the winter. And then I left Cali in like June. So I think we do have to look at these stories, look at the parallels, see how they tie into our life and look at it and be able to say, okay, what happened next in this guy's life? Let me make sure I don't make those mistakes.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah. And, and as for like the downfalls of these biblical characters, like, it's funny to be like, yeah, they're all common downfalls of like, what we would attribute to Jews. And that's true, but the more I look at, like, the Jewish people, I'm

[Matt]

like, what to everybody. These are the stories of everybody. It's not the story of. I mean, I think.

[Co-host]

Because the. Okay, again, in. In the world that we're in, the crimes of the Jews are, like, quite pronounced, especially when people don't see it, but now they're all seeing it.

[Matt]

Okay, but, like, Jews today, they have the thing like this, and, like, you go to shake the chick's hand when you're at, like, a trade show in New York, and the woman won't shake her hand and stuff. Like, that's not, like, biblical. Like, I don't. Like. I don't know what that is, dude, but these guys. This is something different here. Like, this is. Whatever this is. This is something wild, dude. The Jews in the Bible. This is something wild. And so I don't know, to tie it into, like, whatever that modern thing is. I. Yeah, I don't know.

[Co-host]

It's not. It's not just dumb. It's not just orthodox. It's. It's. He's tying it into the crimes of what they do now. And, like, the way that they lie and they say it is a very specific way.

[Matt]

It's a specific lens to look at this through. Then I would just think that would be a hindrance, man. I. I would be looking at this through a lens of, like, where am I in the story? Which I think Owen Benjamin says that. Because doesn't he say, you got to kill the Jew in your heart?

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It is a bit of a hindrance. It's true. But, like, yeah, like, you also got to be aware, like, damn, like, I'm doing these. I'm doing this same crime to a diff. To. To a lower level, maybe. But, like, yeah, you see yourself in that. You see yourself in the downfalls of what David's doing.

[Matt]

Yeah, usually that's what happens. You see a guy in the story and you go, oh, man. What? Just like, when you see the guy texting and driving. Yeah, like, oh, what a piece of, like, oh, I do the same thing that happens when you read the Bible, dude. You look at a guy, you go, oh, what a piece. You go, dude. And hopefully you get to a point you say, God, will you just show me where. I don't like this. I don't know where I'm doing this in my life, but surely the reason I don't like this is because I'm doing this yeah. Will you show this to me? God. Like, where am I doing this?

[Co-host]

I think one of the coolest part is, like, all these people are fundamentally flawed.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Like, big issues.

[Matt]

But if they told everybody's story this. It's like when I told my cousin, I said, when? You know? And I got back in cahoots with my cousin. I didn't see him for like 20 years. And we started talking about family stuff. I was like, yo, our family's messed up, dude.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And he's like, nah, man, all families are messed up. And I remember, I was like, yeah, you're right, man. You're right. Like, all families are messed up. And if you were to tell the real story of anybody, it's going to be ugly. Like this, dude. Everybody's life, if you were to tell every bit of the story is ugly.

[Co-host]

Well, we've been talking about how, like, narrow the road is. And it's like super narrow. That could kind of make you. It makes me a little paranoid. You're like, damn. It's like, hope I don't die tomorrow, because who knows? But then you say that, dude. Yep. But it's. It's sort of the reality because it's like there is only one option. There's. There's a very thin road that we have to walk, and that's. That's the way we have to.

[Matt]

You better make sure you're on that road then.

[Co-host]

I know, but I'm saying, when you look at these stories, look at. Look at Peter. Kind of not a scoundrel, but like,

[Matt]

he's a wild man.

[Co-host]

Not you're a wild man. You denied Christ that while you're walking with them three times and you're walking on water with them, you're walking and then you. And then you go on to make more mistakes. And it's like, well, I don't know. Like, then at the end, it says, when Jerusalem, New Jerusalem comes down, like, he's got like an entire portion of the city named.

[Matt]

But what is God looking for goody two shoes or real ass people over and over, like, what is the thrust of Jesus message? Don't be a hypocrite, don't be an actor, don't wear a mask. Whatever you are, be that. Because I can deal with that. Including even Peter, which is intriguing. If his name means rock and we know that rocks are formed through process, that's very intriguing that he nicknames him Process, if you will. He nicknames him Rock. A thing that must go through a process. You look at his life, it's It's a process that's for all of us, dude. That's for all of us. People start picking at people. And it would be just like if Jesus is working in a carpenter shop and he hasn't finished the table yet, and you come in and start mocking that table, and he's saying, I'm not finished yet. I haven't even finished it yet. What do you mean you're mocking the table? It's not even done. You see what I'm saying? So we're all in this process, but what he's always looking for is real ones. So all I'm saying is, like, I see the dude on Benjamin. I'm like, that's a real ass dude. That's a real ass dude. Let's just see where this story goes like that. Like, that just seems like a dude God could get down with with.

[Co-host]

We'll see. It's going to be interesting to see where the story goes, especially now, because I feel like that story is, like, ready to move to this next arc. I got to pay more attention to whatever he's doing.

[Matt]

It's always cool. Anything I ever see is cool.

[Co-host]

It's just weird because, like, for me before, I was like, obviously, if you're like. I was, like, more of a consumer. So I'm listening a lot to his show and, like, other people's stuff. I listen to nothing now. So I'm kind of disconnected from the happenings, but I don't think that matters so much.

[Matt]

I get the Instagram stuff. I don't really know.

[Co-host]

I don't even see that. I'm just too busy. I'm just. I'm too busy with all the other stuff. I see some stuff on Twitter, but it's not like. I'm just way too busy. I think it'll be more interesting looking back in a year from now or a couple months from now to see, like, all right, what happened here? What was the story? It's a story that we should be paying attention to.

[Matt]

So are you saying he literally gotten a time machine and he is King David?

[Co-host]

No, no, no. You're saying that. You're saying that he's literally King David. King David. David's not tall. I mean, David. Yeah, he's not tall at all.

[Matt]

You don't know that.

[Co-host]

Well, we know.

[Matt]

You just know the giant was bigger. Okay, but just because it doesn't say he's tall doesn't mean he's not.

[Co-host]

Dude, he's not tall. David was probably, like, 5, 9.

[Matt]

Is it possible that he is time traveling, and he realizes that people are hip to him. So he's scrambling now to make sure people think he's not King David. Time traveling.

[Co-host]

I'm not. I'm not going to say that. It's 100 not possible.

[Matt]

Okay. That's all I needed. That's. I need to hear anything.

[Co-host]

The end is written in the book, in the pages they foresee.