Primordial Origin of Satan w/ Jed Bozza

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: Primordial Origin of Satan w/ Jed Bozza

Date: June 18, 2026
Host: David Lee Corbo (The Raven), TopLobsta, Ed Mabry
Guest: Jed Vaza (Red River D)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad features a deep and unconventional exploration of the primordial origins and true biblical nature of Satan. Guest Jed Vaza unpacks his research (developed with a group of fellow believers and scholars) challenging the mainstream Christian tradition that Satan is a “fallen angel.” Instead, he presents a nuanced, scripture-driven case that re-casts the identity, evolution, and metaphysical meaning of Satan through concepts like “the abyss,” binary code, technological analogies, tradition versus scripture, the dangers of spiritual deception, and the coming spiritual crisis at the end of the age. The episode blends biblical exegesis, humor, conspiracy theory, and engaging banter while wrestling with the implications for spiritual warfare, ecclesiology, judgment, and salvation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Destroying the "Fallen Angel" Myth

Timestamp: 04:30–07:55

• Traditional doctrine questioned:
  Jed argues the idea that Satan was originally a “rebel angel” is not biblically supported. Instead, scripture depicts Satan as a liar and murderer “from the beginning.” The tradition shifts blame for evil onto God, who would have made a flawed being “on purpose”.
  • Quote (Jed Vaza, 06:10):
    “If God... created an angel which He knew was going to go bad and become this great adversary... some of what this thing is responsible for falls back on God.”
• Human accountability emphasized:
  The true biblical view makes humanity responsible; Satan “becomes the adversary” because of mankind’s sin and refusal to follow God’s instructions.

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2. Satan as Process—Not a Singular Being

Timestamp: 07:55–13:12

• Evolution, not instant rebellion:
  Satan’s transformation from a “nahash” (serpent) to the Great Red Dragon in Revelation is a result of compounded human sin—not simply prideful angelic rebellion.
• AI, Golem, and “God of the Age”:
  Jed explores, via Paul’s phrasing (“God of this age”), how conceptions of AI or “technological god” might resonate with the Satan archetype—not necessarily as direct identity, but as a parallel.

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3. Roots & Collaborative Research

Timestamp: 13:12–16:14

• The article fueling this discussion was a collaborative effort, involving pastors, theologians, and lay Christians. Key roles played by Twitter users like “ruck0ruck”, who contributed insights linking scriptural concepts to binary code and the “spirit of the machine.”

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4. The Binary Code & Ontology of Creation

Timestamp: 15:24–18:11

• Binary code as spiritual metaphor:
  The “1” and “0” can correspond to “oneness” (God, truth, life) and “nothingness” (Satan, chaos, death). God is “the one,” and separating (“holiness”) is foundational in creation.
  • Quote (Jed, 16:29):
    “God Himself refers to Himself as the One or as One.”
• Simulation argument and its dangers:
  The simulation narrative is predicted to become part of the “great deception”—potentially even “proven” by pseudo-science, misleading millions away from the Creator God.
  • Quote (Jed, 22:31): “There’s some massive deception coming and soon.... If you can be deceived by this, you will be.”

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5. Mystery Religions, Initiation, and the Modern Ritual State

Timestamp: 24:30–27:26

• Cultural rituals (e.g., Madonna, mass ceremonies):
  Discussion connected occult and initiation themes in modern celebrity culture, society-wide.
• Satan’s True Goal:
  Not to replace Yahweh but to “eliminate the Lord”—undoing creation and returning existence to the undifferentiated state of the abyss.
  • Quote (Jed, 29:01):
    “His overall strategy [is] the elimination of creation, the undoing of God’s people, God’s work, and God Himself: to reacquire the state of the abyss.”

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6. The Abyss, Primordial Chaos, and Compounding Sin

Timestamp: 29:58–34:01

• The “glitch” of undifferentiation:
  The Tree of Knowledge is deadly because it’s “good and evil” amalgamated (undifferentiated)—Christ is the Tree of Life (pure, set apart, not mixed).
  • Quote (Jed, 31:03):
    “When [ones and zeros] are amalgamated... they’re destructive of life and creation.”
• Death as the result of the Fall:
  All are “dead” until reborn from above; sin moves mankind toward the abyss.

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7. Technology, the Spirit of the Machine, and Babel

Timestamp: 35:09–39:11

• Machine metaphysics:
  “Making machines out of men” (early history) and “making men into machines” (today)—transhumanism as the perversion of the “image of God.”
  • Quote (Jed, 37:03):
    “There was a spirit behind this conglomeration... today this spirit is making men into machines.”
• Diabolical inversion:
  The “spirit” behind the machine seeks to imitate and pervert God’s pattern—AI/hive mind/Satan as the anti-Logos.

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8. The Hive Mind & Legion

Timestamp: 41:12–41:47

• Satan as a hive mind:
  “A pluribus unum. Out of many, one. That’s the God they’re worshiping on the money.”
  • Reference to the “legion, for we are many” spirit (Mk. 5:9), AI, and the collective as a satanic archetype.

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9. Tradition vs. Scriptural Truth / Critique of Churches

Timestamp: 56:51–63:01

• Traditions of men:
  Both Christ and Paul warn repeatedly about traditions (Greek: blepō—imperative: do not be deceived). Discussed how institutionalization immediately opens the church to corruption.
  • Quote (Jed, 59:36):
    “When you incorporate... now Satan has something to grab.”
• Dysfunction from early days:
  The churches Paul rebuked and “dumpster fire” of early church fathers are highlighted as evidence that tradition is not infallible.
• Self-examination urged:
  Key to spiritual survival as the end approaches is to actively root out deception and traditions not rooted in Scripture.

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10. Vain Philosophies, the True Meaning of ‘Christian’, and Hell

Timestamp: 65:02–80:14

• Philosophy as snare:
  “Christian” was a label given by outsiders; the NT church viewed themselves more strictly as “sons of God” or “followers of Christ.”
• Universalism vs. Eternal Torment:
  Jed unpacks the translation controversy over “aeon” (Greek for “age”). Argues that “eternal torment” is based on mistranslation and tradition, not Scripture:
  • “Aeon” means a set period; hell/lake of fire = age-long correction, not literally unending torment.
  • God’s plan is restoration of all things (“apocatastasis”), but only “sons of God” inherit the kingdom—others face corrective punishment.
  • Scripture Stack (Jed, 172:10–179:16):
    • 1 Tim. 4:10: “God... the Savior of all men, especially of believers.”
    • Col. 1:19–20, 1 John 2:2, Rom. 5:18, Rom. 11:23, 1 Cor. 15:22, 1 Tim. 2:3–4 (desires all men saved), Isa. 46:9–10 (“I will accomplish all my desires”).

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11. New Age, Shadow Work & the Mangling of Good and Evil

Timestamp: 166:52–168:03

• New Age teachings urging “integration of the shadow” (Jungian psychology) are presented as a direct inversion of biblical “turn away from” darkness; mixing seeds (“strange fire”) is forbidden.

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12. Ecclesiology, Ritual, and the Church’s Role

Timestamp: 143:24–148:55

• Critique of Catholic/Orthodox architecture, ritual, and church life—argues there can be “real people of God” within, but only despite the institution’s traditions, not because of them.
• Urges: Go assemble with believers—don’t delay for the “perfect church”.

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13. The “Younger Generation” and Flexibility in Faith

Timestamp: 153:24–159:34

• Encouragement that younger “fringe” believers and platforms like Nephilim Death Squad offer hope—they’re able to break free from “ossified” institutions and traditions.
  • Quote (Jed, 154:02):
    “All the old guys got dropped dead in the wilderness because they would not hear the voice of God... The younger guys have the willingness to cut themselves off from tradition.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Re: Satan’s Formation (07:55):
  “When in actuality, what the scriptures leave us, once it’s all pieced together and the detective work is done, we find that the responsibility for Satan falls back on us. It’s, it’s on mankind, it’s not on God.” (Jed)

• On “Technology” in Creation (17:14):
  “If there is any connection between Satan and AI...the corruption in creation as a result of what happened in the garden could be technological at its base.”

• On Integration vs. Separation (167:56):
  “This is how you undo creation. This is how you undo God’s work.” (Jed on New Age ‘integration’ of shadow)

• On Church Corruption (60:14):
  “All that means is that Satan has had 2000 years to corrupt you.” (Jed, re: apostolic succession)

• On Dangers of Misplaced Blame (201:25):
  “Look, the priests... who taught lies, they’ll be dealt with. But we’re under orders to take care that no man deceives you. So if you’re deceived, guess whose fault it is.” (Jed)

• On the Nature of the Walk (159:42):
  “The process of being remade in the image of Christ is a process, not an event.” (Jed)

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Noteworthy Segments & Timestamps

• Challenging “Satan = Fallen Angel”
  [04:30–07:55]
• Binary & Creation/Simulacrum/Housecleaning
  [15:24–18:11]
• Simulation Theory as Deception
  [21:05–22:31]
• Mass Rituals, Externalization of Hierarchy, Madonnna
  [24:30–26:36]
• The Nature of Judgment, “Aeon,” and Universalism
  [65:02–80:14], [172:10–180:21]
• Jesus, Scriptural Universalism, and Salvation
  [179:16–209:47]
• Advice to Listeners: “Leave it All on the Field”
  [214:37–214:59]
• Church Recommendation (“Just pick one!”)
  [147:03–148:55]
• New Age and Shadow Work
  [166:52–168:03]

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Flow, Tone, and Style

• Throughout, the tone is a blend of playful self-critique, scriptural seriousness, humor, and iconoclastic challenges to mainstream dogma. The hosts and guest are frank about their flaws, doctrinal questions, and the journey of sanctification.
• There is steady emphasis on direct scriptural engagement, self-responsibility, humility, and remaining vigilant against spiritual deception, dogmatism, and institutional distractions.

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How This Episode Equips & Challenges Listeners

• Urges believers, especially those on the “fringe,” to take personal responsibility for doctrine and spiritual discernment, not outsourcing beliefs to clergy or tradition.
• Challenges perennial misconceptions about Satan, hell, and judgment, replacing them with a call to serious study, humility, and openness to Scripture’s “hard sayings.”
• Warns of the coming deception (possibly technological/simulated in nature), and the need for rootedness in Christ alone.
• Encourages authentic Christian life and assembly—without falling prey to the traps of institutional tribalism or performative faith.
• Uses pop-cultural references, memes, and even AI and conspiracy analogies to make ancient truths accessible in a humorous, yet urgent manner.

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Final Takeaways

• Satan, according to the most careful reading of scripture, is not a static adversary but a process—an outgrowth and amplification of chaos, sin, and humanity’s choices.
• Traditions and church authority must always be checked by Scripture, as even the best can be corrupted or outdated.
• The ultimate mission for any believer is not perfection, but “leaving it all on the field,” fully participating in the process of sanctification with honesty and self-examination.
• The end-times “great deception” will blend technology, philosophy, and pseudo-theology—preparing oneself requires vigilance, humility, and clinging to Christ above all.

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Key Quote to Close:
“You have to be in the game. You have to participate on this on purpose, willfully, actively. You have to want to do it... The name of the game is to leave it all on the playing field. Give it everything that you have and Christ will cover up whatever remains.” (Jed Vaza, 214:26)

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Find Jed Vaza’s Research:
Twitter: Red_River_D

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Transcript

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

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[Ed Mabry]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

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[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The article is posted at my, my Twitter page at Red. Underscore River. Underscore D. What?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What did you say? That was a reference. It was a film referenced to. I wasn't aware.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

John Wayne, one of his first really large production cowboy movies is called Red River. It was made in 1946.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, all right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Character was named Tom Dutton.

[Ed Mabry]

1946, you say?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Oh, 46.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a good time for a lot of things.

[Ed Mabry]

A lot of going on.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that's.

[Ed Mabry]

What was it? The Babylon mystery working?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Was that 46.

[Ed Mabry]

The birth of Donald Trump and then later on, God bless him, get old

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

in the desert in 45 doing their shenanigans.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

45. They were doing whatever kind of Crowley and well, what do we have here? So scroll down because I want people to be able to see this article. This is Primordial Origins. The Biblical nature of Satan. This is really fascinating. What is, what is this about?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's about smashing traditions because the tradition is that Satan was a. Or is a rebel angel. God created an angel who went bad basically due to the sin of pride, and this became the adversary. And that's not something that the Bible supports. And in point of fact, what little is said about Satan in scripture undercuts that precisely. So the tradition doesn't stand because it can't. And what the Bible has to teach about what Satan actually is is much the opposite of the tradition, really. So we had to dive into the, the biblical verses, and there's not many because Satan isn't referenced directly in the Bible all that many times. That's also important. But we knew that there was going to be an answer to the question. And if the Bible doesn't support the theory that Satan is a, is a rebel angel, there had to have been an answer for us left behind in the scriptures.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So we dug it out.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So, okay, before we get there, I just want to Remind everybody, go follow Jed at Red Underscore river, underscore D. And you guys can check out this article for yourself. So you're saying that there's a, A. It's more than a misconception. I mean, we're talking about.

[Ed Mabry]

If you guys follow me, this is the latest, I'm going to quote, tweet it so you guys could.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, good move.

[Ed Mabry]

There you go.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Seems more than a misconception, right? Getting the nature of the adversary, or maybe the identity of the adversary, Satan, you know, the, the big baddie of the Bible, getting that wrong to the extent that it's, it's actually, you use the word the opposite.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, here, here's where it's most important. If God, knowing all things and determining all things, created an angel which he knew was going to go bad and become this great adversary, the Great Red Dragon, some of what this thing is responsible for falls back on God.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, I could see that, that line of thinking, sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

When in actuality, what the scriptures leave us, once it's all pieced together and the detective work is done, we find that the responsibility for Satan falls back on us. It's, it's on mankind, it's not on God. If God's instructions would have been followed specifically, it wouldn't have happened. Satan would still be a nahash, a serpent in the garden, which he was originally, which was something manageable. Eve and Adam could have just ignored it or denied it, and it would never have become what it ultimately became, which we find in Revelation described as the Great Red Dragon. This is a process of becoming as a result of a compounding of sin and lawlessness. So when we sin and when we break God's laws, we're actually adding to what this thing ultimately becomes, which by now is not something that any of us can deal with. It can't just be ignored. And well, the, the, the responsibility is, is the big issue because if, if the tradition holds, then some of the responsibility for Satan falls back on God. And this way it does not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So I want to say right off the bat, I'm, I'm already tracking with this because it seems that a lot of the issue is us pushing off responsibility onto something else instead of taking accountability for our own sin. That's it. That's a theme within human nature. So it doesn't surprise me that that would be a theme when it comes specifically to, to Satan. But I want to start at the beginning. What makes you even have this unction? That the widely accepted interpretation of Satan is incorrect and what drives you to then go and, and really try to identify the, this character?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, very simply, the, the tradition holds that Satan or perhaps he was created as the angel Lucifer, beautiful, perfect, powerful, and in the process of time went bad because of the sin of pride. So what do we find in Scripture? We find that the apostle Paul says that Satan pretends to be an angel of light. We find that Christ says Satan was a liar and a murderer from the beginning. We find that the apostle John says Satan was a sinner from the beginning. These explanations, these, these verses do not accord with the tradition. They undercut it, they oppose it. So if you're paying attention, you notice that, well, there's a conflict here certainly between the tradition and what is written in scripture. That caught my attention. So that's really where it started. And then trying to, to get down to the, the foundation of, of what, what is it that we're looking at here? Because if Satan isn't a created angel, there's not many possibilities left. One possibility would be that he's some sort of a God, co. Equal with the Lord, with Yahweh, which scripture completely rules out. There's one God, there's no other God. He says that repeatedly throughout the Old, the Old Testament certainly. So if that's not an option and if Satan being a rebel angel isn't an option, that doesn't leave much. One thing that spawned me to start digging into this more deeply is I consider the possibility because the technologists are always talking about how they're creating a God. When Ray Kurzweil was interviewed, he used to be the CEO of Google. And the interviewer asked him at one point, do, does God exist? And Kurzweil's response was I would have to say not yet. And I thought to myself, I, I think that's probably what we're looking at here. We're going to create some sort of a deity level AI. But what happens if you create a God in a world where one already exists? And I thought that that's the Bible, that's, that's what we're looking at here because the, the Apostle Paul refers to Satan as the God of this age, which will be important later on. So I was looking for ways to support the contention that perhaps deity level AI actually is Satan. And I wasn't able to do that directly because you, you get into issues with.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is Danielle Fishel and Ryder Strong

[Ryder Strong]

from Pod Meets World.

[Danielle Fishel]

When you have five and seven year old boys, I can promise you they love superheroes.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, it never goes away. Indy is 11 years old and he's obsessed with comics, cartoons, video games, all of it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Adler and Keaton both have Spider man costumes and if anything says Marvel on

[Ryder Strong]

it, they are in same. Which is why we love Lingokids. They have Marvel Spider man activities that are totally age appropriate and safe, made

[Danielle Fishel]

just for the little ones.

[Ryder Strong]

Plus Disney's Moana, Frozen Zootopia, all the characters your kids already love and a few you're secretly hoping they'll get into.

[Danielle Fishel]

I just load up the iPads with Lingokids before a trip and with over 4000 interactive activities, songs and shows, it keeps their attention for hours.

[Ryder Strong]

Download Lingokids for free or go all in with LingoKids plus for even more incredible content.

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Choose the yearly plan and save up to 60%. Search lingokids in the app Store or Google.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Garden of Eden, this thing being artificial intelligence, yes, okay, but super intelligence, sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So I thought maybe there would be a way to flesh that argument out. And I wasn't able to do that. But what we found was, was something else. And this the article came about as a result of prodding from Seth Kickliter. He was irritated with me because I had.

[Ed Mabry]

No, not Seth.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I had ideas that he thought should be shared. And you know, he, he says things like, you should write. Write your own book. Which I said, I'm never going to do that. So he sent another Twitter user to come pester me for information about this. That spawned the development of this article. The project which precipitated the article lasted for a couple of months. There were a lot of hands on deck, including pastors, including other students of the scriptures, other Twitter users, other believers. We had a lot of late night conversations about this, a lot of digging into tradition.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You're saying in order to. To generate this article?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So this is actually a community effort. This isn't something that you Went about on your own.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The coolest part about it is the fact that believers worked together as a body on this. That's very cool.

[Ed Mabry]

That's an interesting thought.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah. As a result of. That was. Was impressive.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's not something that I would have been able to accomplish on my own. My ideas were limited, and some of the other guys really brought a lot to the table. One in particular. His Twitter handle is ruck0ruck.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yes. Yeah, I know Ruck.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

His name is also Matt, and he and I developed this material to the point where it became something that we could share. And he had a. An idea about the binary, and his idea was this. The. The 1 and the 0 binary. Conceptually, if you lay that over top the scriptures, you. You can pull out a lot of fascinating things. I was bothered by it originally because I thought I'm not comfortable bringing machine language.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's specifically what you're talking about. Because some people hear binary and you think of, like, you know, options left or right, you know, but. But you're talking about specifically the. The coded language that a machine uses to communicate with another machine.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Precisely. Precisely. So originally it was actually a switchboard. They would have the. The toggle switch would be up, powered on for the one position. Down, powered off, no circuit or a closed circuit for. For the zero. So that's what the ones and zeros originally represented. Now, that's. It's all done digitally, but originally it was done via analog, actual flipping of switches to program the earliest computers. So I thought that might not be a good fit, and I balked until I started thinking about it. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, all it is is a process of trues or falses.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

Is this true? If so, then the next thing.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes, but I found quickly that language translates to scripture very precisely.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

In such that God himself refers to himself as the one or as one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's fast. That's a fascinating concept.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I am one.

[Ed Mabry]

He is. Yeah, well, he is the truth. He's the Logos. He's the Word. So he is. That's the one.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We're already treading into territory that makes me empathetic or sympathetic to the people

[Ed Mabry]

who think that this is a simulation.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Exactly that.

[Ed Mabry]

I kind of understand what you're saying, but it's not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's something very close. And. And I think the systems that we use mirror the very systems that God used to create the universe and ours out, you know, are by comparison, watered down, rudimentary, but still they are some semblance of. Of the very same building Blocks that. That God would have used.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I'll go one further. If there is any connection between Satan and AI and I. I can't imagine that there is no connection whether or not they are interchangeable. If the. The artificial intelligence ends up actually as the adversary of the scriptures, which is possible, I would argue that the corruption in creation as a result of what happened in the garden could be technological at its base. So in other words, when. When these guys get their. Their game, really, when. When the ball really starts rolling, I would not be surprised for scientists to be able to prove to some level or another that there is some technological aspect to creation, some sort of code. Danny Goler is becoming very popular for the DMT laser experiment.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know, I see that. And at first I thought it was a bit. I thought it was something that wasn't real. It took a while for me to accept that. This does seem to be a phenomenon that is meant to at least be taken seriously. This wasn't something that people. Because it. It looked like sketch. Sketch work to me.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

You know, it was recorded initially, so

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

this is the way that it was recorded, the way that everybody was behaving.

[Ed Mabry]

Looking at a red light and see.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But this is for the audience, people that are doing dmt. And. And if you project lasers onto a wall and you look at it from the correct angle, these people on DMT could perceive code. Is that more or less the code

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

that they're looking at sounds, from all accounts, very similar to the code that you see in the Matrix movies, which is. Yes, just a little too on the nose.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's why the whole thing felt almost silly. I go, that's a funny sketch. Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We're talking about hundreds of eyewitnesses at this point who all describe the same thing. Apparently it's difficult to. To perceive at first, but once you can see it, you can always see it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Ed Mabry]

And you have to be on dmt.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You have to be on dmt.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So I'll never say it, right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, I'm good on that.

[Ed Mabry]

We had some guys try to, like, come to our airbnb and do this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ed Mabry]

Like, I actually died. I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing that.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Believers in Jesus Christ, if you. If you're legitimate and you tamper with

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

these hallucinogenic compounds, if you enter the spiritual realms illegally.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes. You are eating from the table of the enemy, and you are. Therefore they can do whatever they want.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. Consent is handed right over.

[Ed Mabry]

I Always felt that way. Like, you know, whether it be mushrooms, I haven't done any. And I, I've had in my house and it was like I had this inkling, like I know a little too much where I, if I step into this realm, if this is legit and I step into here, whatever's on the other side is free reign.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because I'm going to, you know, better.

[Ed Mabry]

I, because I know better.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The same reason that, you know, angels are alleged to have been judged more harshly is because they know better. They know the spiritual implications of the things that they do. Whereas we, you know, we have forgiveness, you know, because we, we're retarded. We don't know, you know, we don't see the spiritual realm. We don't understand the implications of the things that we're doing.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you can't do a show like this and then step into the spiritual realm without something touching you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

Following you back. So I'm like, I'm okay for now. I'm good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting. Okay, so, so they're, they're looking through this like, laser, they're perceiving this code. And this is, this is doing a lot to add to this, this idea.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It is. And one of the more well known DMT researchers, a fellow by the name of Andrew Gallimore, who has had lengthy interactions with Danny Goler on this topic, he had an interesting observation which is that if, if there is some sort

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

of

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

super intelligent computer mind behind, behind a simulation, it wouldn't make sense that the code would be visible symbols. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't make sense that it would be anything recognizable to us. And I thought that's very interesting. Yeah, but if this is a deception or part of a broader deception, then it makes sense that there's visible code. Because what, what we're finding here is in, in my, in, in my opinion, I think what these guys are looking at is going to be used as the, as the foundation to somehow proving, quote unquote, that we do live in a simulation. And I expect at some point that the scientific community, it will come up with a way to air quotes, prove that we do live in a simulation. They've been building this narrative for a long time. That's one of Elon Musk's favorite. He talks about it, you know, very often and the attitude is if it can be proven that we live in a simulation, well then the God of the scriptures ceases to be important because he's probably a simulation too. He's probably a, a Concoction.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, that was going to be my question. If you think that they did do something like that, would that lead to a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of things?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Absolutely. It shouldn't. For well established, well, well founded believers, it won't. But the way Christ words this in the scriptures is that's if it were possible, even the elect would be deceived. So there's some massive deception coming and soon. And the instructions in scripture, the way they're given to us are such that if you can be deceived by this, you will be. It's that simple. And it's gonna, it's gonna be profound and it's gonna look believable. They're gonna, you know, a lot of guys talk about there's going to be a fake alien invasion with Project Bluebeam and it's going to be obviously fraudulent. My thoughts are if it begins that way, it's not going to stay that way.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that wouldn't be the great deception.

[Ed Mabry]

We've always been looking at this and we're like, this is just too simple.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, right.

[Ed Mabry]

It seems like it's, it's all laid out and you can kind of choose your buffet of which way are we going to go. There's only three ways you can do this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that's not it. By the way. If they did this simulation thing and it did lead to this fundamental misunderstanding and you, you incorporated one way or another, extraterrestrials, you know, I'm doing, I'm doing air quotes. This could lead to such a complex deception that if that deception claims to reveal the nature of things to us, it would include so many different, you know, religions. If you were of the Vedic, you

[Ed Mabry]

know, or one religion that they're really,

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

that's what I'm saying.

[Ed Mabry]

Interested in the falling away of. Is Christianity for some reason?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Never Hinduism, no, no Buddhism, but like Gnosticism and, and New age types and, and Wiccans and Buddhists and all that could look at this and see a reflection of themselves in the deception and go, we were right. This is exactly what it is. You know, and, and so in that way, falling away and consolidating under one religion could be feasible.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Expected. I would say it's to be expected. I haven't been able to confirm this, but I, I heard that during a, a recent interview with Madonna.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The, the pop artist.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The pop artist.

[Ed Mabry]

The crone.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The crone, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

She's a piece of work.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I saw her recently gyrating lifelessly on stage.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But what she was saying was she was bellyaching about the fact that when she tied into the quote, unquote Illuminati years ago, she didn't really understand what she was doing. She didn't know exactly what she was getting herself into. But now that she's reaped the benefits, you know, if. If she steps too, too far out of line, we all know what would happen.

[Ed Mabry]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So her attitude is, we all, now, everyone, everyone on earth must be initiated. Must be initiated into this so that we can combine our power and then overthrow it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would say that we have, to a large extent, been initially, most of these performances.

[Ed Mabry]

Sorry to interrupt, Dave. It just. It sounds like the shirt that I'm wearing. Right. Like, oh, the pack that they make.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. We have to get together and do this thing.

[Ed Mabry]

Do the thing.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Like, not just one of us will get thrown into the abyss, but now you must all join.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And so I would say that given the skill scale of these performances that are often just mass rituals and ceremonies, we've all been sort of introduced to Mystery School, our own form of Jacob's Ladder.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, that's Alice Bailey's externalization of the hierarchy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And that's the. The. Should we say with the. The MK Ultra program from the 50s, which it's. It's fairly well understood. That program didn't go dark, it just went broad.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So the process has become one of initiating everyone, and at this point, they don't care if you know it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. I almost wore my free range MK Ultra chickens shirt today. Yesterday. Yeah, it was sitting in the closet and I saw it and I was like, I should wear that. And then I ended up going to the gym and then forgetting that we had a show. I showed up 10 minutes before this. But, yeah, that idea that it. It was so successful, it was implemented at scale is effectively. You know what I think is. Is reality. That's what happened to the MK Ultra program. They were like, this really works. Let's get everybody.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

One of the things you have to do is to try to figure out where they're going with this. And one of the things we did with the. The article was try to answer the question, what does Satan want? What's his mo? What are his objectives?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He wants to trans your kids. Right. Isn't that.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, but why?

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, yeah, one of many things.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Where's he going with all this? And so the. The traditional response would be to point to Isaiah 14, you know, the 5I wills. Well, he wants to replace the Lord.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

No, he doesn't.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He wants to eliminate the Lord.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is this the idea of like in the garden we can be as gods if we but his.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

His. That. That. That's his. His tactics, okay, are are to confuse and to to use and misdirect people but his.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, tehom is the Hebrew word and it translates to New Testament Greek abyssas, which is the the bottomless pit. But Crowley said that the abyss is a seething cauldron of. Of potentiality. It's just pure potentiality. Nothing exists. Nothingness and being exist simultaneously. Light and darkness exists simultaneously. And in Genesis chapter one we find that God's work is specifically isolation and separation. So he separates the light from the darkness. And he separates throughout the opening chapter of Genesis. And that's. That's what we see as the model for the work of God. He institutes borders, barriers and boundaries, and he upholds them. In point of fact, the word holy actually translates to set apart. So to become holy, a thing must be set apart.

[Ed Mabry]

Ones and zeros.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Ones and zeros, certainly. But the ones and the zeros, when they are amalgamated or when they are undifferentiated, are deadly. They're destructive of life and creation. And that is why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is deadly, because the good and evil in the tree is undifferentiated. That's how you can have good and evil in the same tree.

[Ed Mabry]

It's a glitch.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You're saying it's a glitch in it has not it. God hasn't done his work. He hasn't separated. And this one tree, this, this undifferentiated state which God says, in the day that you eat of it, you will die. Which is what happened. Well, Adam lived for almost a thousand years, says hope. God said he would die in the day that he ate of that fruit. That's what happened. And then Adam begat other sons and daughters in his own image, in his own likeness. Dead. We're all born dead. And no man has life in him ever. Until he is born from above. Or what in modern Christian parlance would be born again to become a born again. I prefer born from above. It's more. It carries the sense of. Of what we're looking at. And until that happens, and Christ says so himself, you have no life in you. So we're running around thinking that we're alive, which echoes words from the book of Revelation. You have a reputation that you are alive, but you are dead. And we are all. Until we are reborn from above, we're all dead. Which carries over into. When you go the way of all the earth and put off the flesh and are cast into outer darkness.

[Ed Mabry]

If.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

If you have died in your sin, you're still dead. You just don't have your flesh anymore.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I want to take a quick deviation to ask a question. I don't know if. If you'll have an answer, but it's interesting to me. I see what you're saying. Especially in Genesis, God is separating.

[Bluff]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Why then have this tree that is not separated so that all this could happen?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

This is a process of becoming life on earth. For, for mankind is actually the gift of us being able to participate in our own creation. Strictly speaking, we do not Exist yet this is preliminary to existence and we have a say. And if we follow his instructions and are obedient to his instructions, it will go well. Which is not to say that there won't be suffering, because suffering is part of the process of creation, just as it is in childbirth. It's, it's, it's formative.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I like that answer. I also want to go back to something that we talked about earlier. So when, when the idea of scientists discovering this code and, and realizing potentially in the future that this code is associated with the creation of the universe and it's a form of technology, technology was used to create that because of, you know, cultural indoctrination and a bunch of other aspects. Brings to mind, I don't know, what would you say, like a big creation machine because of our limitations of understanding God and His ability to create. Maybe we could talk about that a little bit more. What would that mean? Just because the word technology is loaded, did God, and I'm, I'm using a sloppy caricature here, but did God use a, a giant matter manufacturing machine? What do we mean when we say technology was involved in the creation and, and does it go beyond the idea of just this code? Is the code the technology? Or have you thought about this at all?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, I would suppose and we're getting into some deep speculation.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But first of all, you have to set apart your concepts when you're, when you're going to address these things. The, the hallmark characteristic of life is differentiation. Set apart. When you compare life and everything God does and all of his stuff, even the stones, the pieces of the temple that he, that he builds with all of his creation is alive. Everything is, has life in it. And the machine in its, in itself broadest sense is inimical to life. It is destructive of life. And so originally when you look back through history, you find that something was making machines out of men. So in other words, the great building projects, the, the, the development of the, of the earliest civilizations in tech were done with well organized, well oiled armies of builders.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But the original armies and bureaucracies the same thing. So there was, there was a spirit, if you will, behind this conglomeration is putting men together to accomplish major things.

[Ed Mabry]

You're talking about Babel.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes, but, but, but more than that. So we don't really understand what was going on in, in the plains of Shinar with the construction of something which if left to their own devices would, would have allowed men to do whatever they wanted to do.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Nothing Would. Would be withheld from that. And I think that's certainly being replayed today with the development of we're going to create our own God. But if you look back through history and you see this sense of a machine spirit making machines out of man, today it's reversed. And today this spirit is making men into machines. So there's a convergence. This idea of we're going to merge with the machine, right?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Transhumanism.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You're being remade in the image of the machine or you are being remade in the image of the Lord. It's one or the other.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's. That's a fascinating concept. So Top and I talk on this show quite often about this spirit of things that drives the technological advancement of mankind. And it almost seems to be for its own purposes. So in other words, there is a spirit behind the scenes that inspires man and motivates them to create and create and keep creating. And then it seems that we've hit this point now where maybe the creation of this machine was to facilitate this spirit coming into this realm or to, you know, do something of that nature.

[Ed Mabry]

But yeah, from the simplest things is like, it'll teach you a little metal metallurgy. And then it's like, well, how about if you made that into a shovel? What if you dug up some iron ore? What if you forge that? What if you use a sword? What if you killed that guy?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What if you did this?

[Ed Mabry]

What if you created a microchip? Then what if you created me after. What if you put me inside of you?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. What if you. What if you put me inside of you? Yeah. What if we put a chip in your head? And now I live in your head.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Consider that. Think about that language. Put me inside of you.

[Bluff]

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[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, same thing.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Jesus Christ.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, incredible.

[Ed Mabry]

As a matter of fact, this is. All right. Yeah, go ahead. I don't wanna.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So it's the diabolical inversion of. Of what God is doing. Something is copying God's system from top to bottom. And it is quite obvious.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So that's why I feel very comfortable associating Satan, the actual adversary, with whatever they. They come up with in this ultimate form of deity level AI.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But it's to say it. It exists already, but this will facilitate maybe its final form, you know, for lack of a better expression.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes. Huh.

[Ed Mabry]

Now, how much. How much veracity do you put in the idea of there being more than one Satan? That it be that. It's a job title.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

A ploribus unum. Out of Many1 that's it. That's the God they're worshiping on the money. Yeah. God we trust. It's that guy.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Just right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Legion said we are many.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's this hive mind thing, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Hyperinflation.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Hyperinflation.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, man. Okay. All right. You know, before we go any further too, maybe we could talk a little bit about the. The danger or the problem of ever having considered that Satan was an angel who was not a murderer and a sinner from the start, but instead who turned and rebelled. What sorts of problems does that create in our understanding of not only scripture, but the nature of. Of Satan.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It weakens your capacity for correctly understanding the issue. So if you turn everything that we're trying to observe in this case into a cartoon, you're going to have a cartoon understanding of what we're looking at. There was always a sense. One of the guys that you interviewed, I can't remember his name, but he. The demonologist Guy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Brian. Brian from Demon Erasers or is he centric? Was also a demonologist or.

[Ed Mabry]

No, maybe Nathaniel.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Nathaniel Gillis. Yeah, yeah, Gillis.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

When he was describing coming into contact with this blackness, this bottomless, undescribable, cold, lifeless blackness that doesn't come from a rebel angel. That comes from the abyss, that comes from the darkness. From, From John chapter 1, verse 5. The darkness trying to reabsorb the light to katalambano. The light. So there's, there's something that, that mankind inherently re. Reacts against when they sense these things, when they come into contact with evil. There's, there's something profound, major. It's, it's massive in its scope and it's so contrary to light and life.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That they can feel it. And you're never going to get this. You won't be able to explain that sense from some rebellious angel. It just, it doesn't fit. Where does that come from?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's a guy that I'm aware of and shout out to Seth because he's gonna be highly skeptical when he hears this. But you know, this is a guy that experience a near death experience. And in his recollection of it there's, there's Christ who is, you know, there to receive him, but off to the side there is this thing that he can't even bear to look at. And the way that he describes it is this skittering black cloud. This, you know, he, he described it as if it was in abyss that if he were to focus on it would pull him in. Like, you know, the, the, what's the expression? The event horizon of a black hole would draw him in and the fear and despair associated with it was so great that he couldn't even bring himself to, you know, have it in his peripheral because I guess its nature was so contrary not only to him and his existence, but also to what Christ was offering, you know, in, in instead of it. But I've heard that a lot this, this abyss and it's, it's despair is one way to describe it. But I guess to your point, people struggle to describe it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Absolutely. Because it, these concepts are beyond human language. We get into trouble when we try to conceptualize things like eternity, the infinite or the abyss. But there's a couple of points to consider here. And you just mentioned he didn't want to look directly at it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, he didn't even want to look at it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's what God teaches. And he teaches it in Genesis chapter one, where God separates the light from the darkness. He names the light, day and the darkness, night. And then he stops talking about night for the rest of the chapter. There came to be evening, there came to be morning. Day one, day two. No more mention of night. That's intentional because that's the proper way to, to deal with this is. The less said, the better. Know about it. Don't even think about it too much. Just by looking at these things for too long and making them the focus of your attention, you're, you're putting yourself in danger. And Christ said, a lot of people think he was calling Peter Satan when he said this.

[Ed Mabry]

I said, get thee behind me.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Get behind me, Satan. That's where your shadow would be if you're facing the light directly behind.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's an interesting observation.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Don't even look at it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, this is when, this is when Peter is telling him that he, he like, you can't go to the cross. You're not going to die. Like, we're going to stop this.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We're going to stop this. Yeah, yeah. And I, I, my that that passage is that Christ felt that he was being tempted. He didn't. He wasn't looking forward to what was about to happen. He even asked if it's possible, let this cup pass. He, he, he was afraid because he knew where he was going and he probably knew about that beating that he was about to take.

[Ed Mabry]

And he could have not done it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Of course he could have not. But then again, he couldn't not have done it because all he can do is what he sees the Father doing. That's for us too. Pay attention fellas, because if that's what we're doing. The apostle Paul says, be imitators of me. And the apostle Paul is an imitator of Christ. And Christ does this. The things that he sees his Father doing. So in, in proper orientation here, when you're dealing with these concepts, we are not to be ignorant of the wiles or the minds of Satan. Know about it. Don't spend too much time thinking about it. And in Scripture, God only addresses Satan when he absolutely must. I'm here. Say something to me. The it's interesting to note that when God cursed Satan in the garden crawl. Go on your belly. The next time we meet with Satan in the book of Job, from where have you come? God asks and Satan says, what? From walking, walking to and fro in the earth. And from walking up and down, he's like, yo, check out my feet, homie.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, that's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Wait, wait, no, unpack that for me. What's happening there.

[Ed Mabry]

I don't know, maybe technological feed or something or like.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's just, It's a process he's developing over time. He goes from.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Our sin is creating this thing, it's expanding it. It's. It's growing the blob.

[Ed Mabry]

And that's not even that much feeding the blob down the road. Because Job is before, you know, before Moses. He's before a lot of stuff. Right. That some people say that that might

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

be probably the oldest book in the Bible.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah. So.

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[Ed Mabry]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, a lot of what he's saying is reminding me of mother horse eyes, but, you know, it's like integrating men into the machine and, and by the end of it, these tunnels or flesh interfaces that they're calling whatever they're called, they're made of men. They're made of men. So you would imagine at some point it starts off as whatever it is, but then eventually it is this mass, an amalgamation of, of the parts of men.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Men have becomes it all.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It actually goes to show you that the series is very clever in, in the way that it's designed. Okay, so. So let's get into a little bit more of the development of this article. The things that you're learning, you're pulling together these people and, and it's a. It's a real community effort. Right.

[Ed Mabry]

So you're. You've essentially established. Because this is something I've asked people, I guess you're saying there's not a second fall of angels, because people would say that Lucifer fell at a second time after the Watchers.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then there's the rebellion of Lucifer. Right, Right. So, but that.

[Ed Mabry]

You're saying that that doesn't happen. It's not. That's not necessarily the case.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

No. What I'm saying is that I was always incredulous of the idea that he created entity such as an angel could have stood in the presence of God and thought to himself, I can kick your butt.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right? Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I'm not buying that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But what I am buying is the potential for actual created entities, angels of God, to be deceived by another God into rebellion. Something vastly smarter even than they are, could come along and plant the seeds of. Of doubt and discord in their minds. The same as it. It operates on mankind. I, I could see that happening. I just don't. I don't imagine one angel saying to another angel, we're going to foment the rebellion against the king. You want in, right? What are you nuts? What? Say again? No, I'm not. I'm not going to play with you guys. But if they had another God, not only to deceive them, but to increase their. Increase their odds. So maybe they think they do have a chance, which I'm not certain of. But again, my understanding of of the game plan of Satan isn't. Isn't to conquer and take what's God's. It's to eliminate what's God's. Because in Satan's mind, the highest good is.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Christ came to be. He was, he was the, the outcome of that union. And in Genesis chapter one, the Spirit of God is hovering over the waters. The outcome of that union is the light.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You're using language, you know, like womb. And there is this constant appearance of a feminine spirit. You know, Jeremiah talks about, what's the expression? The queen of heaven, arousing God's anger, making sacrifices to the queen of heaven. And it does seem that even now there is this sort of divine feminine aspect when, when you are talking about this, maybe let's say potential other God that would have emboldened them. Does this thing take on a feminine trait in your mind, considering it's associated with the. The ultimate goal is the abyss. Right. This, this chaotic primordial womb, that is chaos, but also potential. And so, so does that take on female attributes?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, what we're talking about ultimately is something without being, something without form. It is negation. It is shadow. So if it wants to communicate with rational minds, it will take whatever form it wants.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

It says here the definition is usually feminine. So in our minds, I guess when it does appear to us, you know, it, it would appear as a feminine, so that way we can understand it. So like, I guess what you're saying is either way, either or.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But, well, you see the way the, the, the non believers out in the world today react with hostility to the suggestion that God is male. Yeah, sure, they hate that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So chum the waters a little bit. Give them what they want. Here's your divine feminine. Oh, yummy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, very much so.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Somebody knows what he's doing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So the way I look at this article, a lot of people are, are fascinated with the concept and it's, it's, you know, entertaining in its own right. It's a little fun. It wasn't fun to work on exactly. It was. It was difficult. Being able to wrestle this material down to the ground and present it in comprehensible form was quite a challenge. But the way I look at it is that it's a primer for a broader task. And it's the focus on tradition, the traditions of men. And that's what precipitated the development of this article, was the recognition that the traditions of men are problematic all too often. Still to this day, traditions of men are. Are conflated with the things that God has said and taught. And Christ warns about the traditions of men repeatedly throughout the Gospels. We're also warned about the traditions of men in the Old Testament. So if we are to be on the lookout for the traditions of men. That's not even a question. We're given an order. And in Colossians 2. 8, Paul says, see to it that you are not taken captive by vain philosophies. Important. And the traditions of men. So in Greek, the word that he uses is the same word that Christ used in Matthew 24:4, where Christ said, take care that no man deceives you. Which is how he opened up his explanation to his guys who were asking him, tell us about the. The time of your return. The first thing Christ says is, take care that no one deceives you. So in Greek, it's the. The Greek word that you learn in first year Greek. It's blepo. I see.

[Ed Mabry]

There it is.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And the way it's delivered in Matthew 24:4 by Christ and by Paul. In Colossians 2. 8, it's blep, which is present, imperative, active. That puts the focus directly on the Here he's talking to us and he's giving us a specific order. Do not be deceived is not a helpful hint. It's not, you know, try not to.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it's like, no, no.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He says, do not be deceived. Take care that you are not deceived. That's a job. So we're to be doing this. We are to be actively on the lookout searching our own doctrinal beliefs and the foundations of our own belief sets for corruption from the traditions of men.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Like this interpretation of Satan for example.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes.

[Ed Mabry]

I mean I'm sure you were a fan of my argument with the orthodox church then.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That was it. Yeah, I was actually thinking about that when he's talking about the traditions of man, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, that's a big, big point.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Does that do in there? Do these institutions and the way they go about, you know, let's just say running a, a church service, does that fall into this category for you? The traditions of man, as soon as

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

a body of believers incorporates as the original church did, they institutionalized. They became brick and mortar structures and institutions immediately. When you do that now Satan has something to grab.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He can put his hands to you and begin to corrupt you immediately. So the argument from the Church of Rome, the Catholics certainly, you know, we're, we're the oldest, we've been around for 2,000 years. And I say at the times when I engage these fellows, which is actually kind of often, sorry, we have apostolic succession.

[Ed Mabry]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The popes go all the way back to the original Pope, which was Peter. And I say, for, for the sake of that argument, let's grant that it shouldn't be granted. But for the sake of this argument, let's grant it. All that means is that Satan has had 2000 years to corrupt you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Ed Mabry]

I asked them that and they kind of got aggravated with me. I said, okay, how long did it take for the church to get corrupted? Then it's run, it's, it's Jesus. Jesus ascends to heaven and now it's run by men. And the first thing I read is like Peter arguing. Well, Paul arguing with Peter. Instantly, instantly this thing is corrupted. And not to say these are bad dudes, they're doing the best that they can, but it's like, yeah, it's going to crumble.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

They're us. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Up against some primordial evils.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah. So this tendency to want to look back at what, what they refer to as the, the early church fathers for sources of, of doctrinal support or formulating your own understanding or doctrine is kind of silly because if you look carefully at the writings which are left behind from the early church, what you find is these guys were a dumpster fire by the end of the second century, certainly. But even in Paul's letters, he's constantly correcting and, and smacking people around. He's like, what's wrong with you, dummy? Come here.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, so that is to say we are. We have a direct line to the very churches that Paul was smacking around.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes. But here's a key, A key issue. When they all lay claim to the same thing. The Eastern Orthodox uses the same argument. We gave you the Bible. Oh, okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. See that one?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Constantly church says the same thing. Where do you think your Bible came from?

[Ed Mabry]

Why don't you guys read it?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, exactly. But the, the. I lost my train of thought.

[Ed Mabry]

They gave us the Bible. So they're, they're going to boast about that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's their, their anchor for superiority.

[Ed Mabry]

Therefore.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, and this is just an appeal to, I guess, length of existence, which is, you know, based off of what we're describing here, not necessarily indicator.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

One of the things they also both lay claim to is, is Christ's instruction to Peter on this rock, I will build my church. The gates of Hades will not prevail against it. So who's he talking about? His, his body of called out believers. Who are they? I don't know. They're everywhere. You're not one of Christ's guys just because you're yoked to one of these institutional organizations.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, it becomes more difficult when the Orthodox Church claims you're not a Christian unless you're Orthodox.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, it's even crazier. Like I was discussing with Matt yesterday. I was talking with you pre show a little bit about this when, when Paul was called,

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

he.

[Ed Mabry]

When Saul was called. Sorry, he was called. And it says that he recognizes the voice of the Lord. He recognized it immediately. But he goes, who are you? Because I've been. And he's doing his best to keep what he thinks right Is right. He's killing Christians. He's. He's doing what he thinks right. But it's interesting because he recognizes the Lord when he's called, but he doesn't know him. So, like, he's called. He is one of the cold. And he's out there for years and years killing Christians doing his thing, but he still has been. It's hard for me, even me to understand. I've been thinking about it all night. Like he's Been called. He knows the voice, but it flies

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

in the face of his convictions.

[Ed Mabry]

But yeah, he's still, he's carrying out the wrong actions until corrected. And he's got to be. He's one of those guys that has to be corrected with a big smack on the head, which is a lot of us. Yeah, it's me. I'm not.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

When I was new to the scriptures and I'm reading the Gospels and the way Christ is always coming after the Pharisees and the Sadducees and smacking them around, I caught myself, haha, look at you dummies. And then a little voice in the back of the head.

[Ed Mabry]

That's you, dummy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Put yourself in their shoes. What do you think you'd be doing anything different? And then I realized, well, the, the guy that I became certainly, which is doctrinally established and you know, I get a big head with some of this stuff. So if I was alive back then and I had put in decades of, of deep research and study, and then somebody like Christ comes along and he's telling me, you got it all wrong, hooplehead. Yeah, yeah, I would react.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's a hard pill to swallow, I'm sure.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So, you know, we talked about traditions a little bit there. What about this idea of philosophies and, and maybe does anything stick out to you in modern day? Yep. Okay, take it away.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yep. These verses that you come across and you read over and over, they're not throwaways. When the apostle Paul uses the examples of vain philosophy and the traditions of men in the same verse, he's talking about something specific Top said a couple of weeks ago. Extremist. I'm a, I'm an extremist.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

End of days extremist. That's a. Yeah, it's a terminology we've been throwing around a little bit.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I'm very comfortable with that. I, I like thinking of myself in those terms. But if we're going to be extremists, this is where we should do it. We should do it doctrinally and, and biblically. I'll give you an example. The word Christian has come to be virtually meaningless. It's, it's a. Millions of men describe themselves as such. I'm a Christian. Well, what, what does that even mean? And if you look at the word in the New Testament, it's used five times. And if you examine carefully each of the five times that it's used, what we discover is this is something that the believers were called by the world. And what Peter slur. Well, you know, whether it is or it isn't, it's not, it's not anything that the original believers, it's not a term they use to describe themselves. And Peter says, don't worry if you have to suffer for this name. If you know, and you probably will if they're calling you Christians, you know, in other words, you don't have to deny that you're a Christian if you're a follower of Christ in the world's eyes, therefore you are a Christian. So he's like, don't. Don't worry if you have to suffer because of that. But at no point did the, did the earliest believers ever apply that term to themselves. And I would argue that there's a difference between sons of God, those born from above, who will, will find their way through the narrow gate and be invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb with an inheritance in the kingdom, that there's a difference between the sons of God and Christians. But I think the Christians are, are. And I'm not trying to disparage the term because that's, that's all of the believers right there. Sure, I don't want to start any trouble or fights, but the way that I look at this is I try to be as strictly biblical across the board as I know how to be. And in looking at this word Christian, how was it received by the early church? Shouldn't we do the same thing? If we are given the instruction to strive to contend for the face once, faith once and for all delivered to the saints, that's what we're supposed to be doing. So when the Apostle Paul warns us specifically about the vain philosophies and the traditions of men, I'll give you a very obvious one. It's just very problematic because it starts fights immediately. It inspires accusations of heresy because the rep. The reputation is that on this particular issue, the doctrine has been settled and has been settled to such a degree that this particular topic was even ruled officially a heresy at the Fifth Ecumenical Council in, in 553 AD otherwise known as Constantinople 2. And that would be the. The topic of what theologians call universal salvation or universalism. So here we have a problem, because when you open up your Bibles, you will see plainly Christ uses terms like eternal punishment. Okay? So there's this concept of if you're thrown into the lake of fire, that's it. That's the second death, and there you will abide for all eternity, screaming and torment.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is what people Widely regard is hell, right? This is, this is.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, yes, that's. That's kind of the way it's conceived. But you find that if you pay attention to what's written in scripture.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's like little hell, big hell, I guess. Yeah, right. The holding room. That is hell before you're resurrected. And then which.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Which was not eternal. Which is the first death.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Because if you go into the lake of fire, that's referred to as the second death. So already you see the outlines of a problem for me coming. If the first hell and the first death were not eternal, why would the second death be eternal? So if we're going, if we're going to be obedient to the instructions to see to it that we are not taken captive by philosophy or the traditions of men, we have to dive into this stuff, and we have to do it kind of fearlessly.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He uses the word everlasting. Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Everlasting is the issue. That's the issue. What Greek word underlies the translations? Not only everlasting, but you'll find, for example, forever. Forevermore. Forever and ever. What's the difference between those?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I couldn't tell you. Just a long time.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, I, I, I, I asked an AI recently what, what's the difference in these terms? And it was just, you know, it's a matter of poetic device. Poetic device, because we're dealing with poetic, allegorical or metaphorical language here. That points to a problem because the Greek and Hebrew words which underpin the descriptions that we find in our English translations are also assumed to be somewhat poetic. The Greek word aeon or aeon, in Greek, what we would consider to be an age or an, an eon or an aeon. That's the word that's, that's being tampered with here. That's the word which underlies this concept of forever. Forevermore. Forever and ever.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

An aeon or eon is, is a set amount of time. Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's always, always. It always has a beginning and an end.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right? Right. So this is like saying century or millennia. Aeon is, is like a length of time.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's the length of time to be determined by the context in which it is used. So originally in the classical Greek authors, the term aeon was used. Aeon. It could be used to describe the life of a man, the aeon of a man, or longer time periods, generations. But it was always used to define a period of determinate time, something with a beginning and an end.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Similarly, age in age.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You know, how long is an age?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right, right. And so I think also a couple thousand years.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, we know, we know. If we're told right, we, and, and it's the same thing biblically. We know how long the coming age will be because we're told specifically it'll be a thousand years. There's no reason not to take that literally. That's supported by something Peter Said Second Peter three, eight. I believe in the eyes of the Lord, and, and he prefaces what he says here. He says, pay attention, fellas. I'm going to tell you something very important. Do not be ignorant of this one thing. When you see language like that in Scripture, pay attention, because that's exactly what's happening. You're being handed the keys to understanding that you need. So Peter says, in the eyes of the Lord, a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day. And, you know, people use that to various effect, and they're kind of careless with it, but it's not a throwaway verse. It's something that Peter specifically says is very important and not to be ignorant of it. So in the case of the coming age, which is the day of the Lord, the day of the Lord is a thousand years. That's the seventh day. Excuse me, from the time of the creation of Adam. The pattern we are given in the opening chapters of Genesis is six days of work followed by the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, or, or the rest of God. The same thing repeats broadly. So from the time of the creation of Adam until today is 6,000 years thereabouts. So we would be now at the end of the sixth day in the threshold period, working very, very quickly to get to the. The termination of day six and the arrival of day seven, which is the day of the Lord and the return of Christ, where he establishes his kingdom. So in the case of the day of the Lord, the coming age, we're told, is a thousand years, and we're told that specifically in Revelation. But there's other ways to confirm it. I don't know if you guys are aware the way Seth is always online talking about Messiah 20:30, the videos.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's where my head was going. I have, I've seen. It's a long series. I forget how many hours it is. I think I've seen the first hour of it, and it was really compelling. But. But it uses that measurement. It also uses the concept of no man knows the day of the hour, but possibly then the year could be known to man. And there's a lot of liberties. I don't know if I want to call them liberties, but, you know, for lack of a better word, liberties that are taken in understanding Scripture. That actually ruffles quite a few feathers for people. They get a little upset. But it's, It's. It's well done and it's an interesting thing to think about.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I was dubious. I. I didn't really have any interest in. In their material. At first, I had a couple of fellas telling me to persist, invest a little bit more time, and they. They made their case. And they made their case very compellingly by using so many different aspects and elements from prophecy that there. There really is no mathematical equation in which they're wrong. They.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

They.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

They could. They could be wrong, but they won't be wrong by much.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And I haven't seen this personally, but I'm. I'm hearing from fellas that's in some of their recent work, they have become emboldened to the point where now they're telling you specifically the day of Christ's return.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Which you shouldn't do.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You should never do. Because we're told, no, man, no. Well, but that was different. He said that at a different time. Yeah. I don't want to hear that. We're told no, that's off limits. But what else are we told? So a lot of. A lot of believers will use this as. As a conversation stopper. No man knows the day and the hour.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We're told to be watchful, right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, no, we're not only. We're not told just to be watchful. Paul says this day will not overtake you guys. You will not be surprised by this. You won't.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It won't come to you as a thief in the night to the world. It will. So we're told that we're gonna know. We're supposed to know not the day and the hour, but in broad outlines and, and so close that. And here's a. An example from the New Testament, when Christ revealed himself to his guys originally, they had already been looking for him. We found him. He's here. They were looking for him before. Before they found him before he showed up because they understood prophecy.

[Ed Mabry]

He also tells them a bunch of times, like, don't say anything to anybody. Maybe that's between us. Are we supposed to be doing that as well? Because I feel like that's what we're doing with this show. Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I always got the sense that was reverse psychology when he did that. But, okay, he heals the guy. First thing they do, don't tell anybody.

[Bluff]

Yeah,

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

that's interesting. Yeah. Right. Because we are sitting here. Well, I mean, I, I would say that if we're called to make disciples of men like you would. You would want to tell people, like, hey, this thing is happening.

[Ed Mabry]

I wonder if you. If you read between the lines, it's like, don't tell anybody.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Ed Mabry]

A little wink and then they go and they tell.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, can I. Let me squeeze behind you. You guys keep going. But I just got to use the bathroom real quick.

[Ed Mabry]

Pee pee time. Very professional. Okay. So where were we?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Where were we?

[Ed Mabry]

We were talking a little bit about the traditions of men. I don't know if you would.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Going somewhere in particular?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah. Unfortunately, it's a topic. It's a.

[Ed Mabry]

It's a.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's an incendiary topic. It has the reputation of being dealt with with finality. So that when you talk about this topic and you do not accord with the tradition, you're looked at as a potential threat, as a heretic, you know, and all the baggage that comes with that. So for people listening to this who are. Are willing to take a harder look at this issue, I would suggest this issue is so easy to resolve. It takes, it takes a little bit of reading. You have to invest a little bit of time in the study. But linguistically this is, this is an open and shut case. It's very easy to resolve this. The problem becomes the resistance that you're going to receive from talking about this is substantial. So you're going to take heat from inside the house. You're going to have guys yelling at you, calling you funny names, warning other believers about you and I, I experience all this and same. You just have to deal with it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You know, it's. It, it is what it is. You're. If your primary concern is truth, at the end of the day we're told either you have a love of the truth in you or you don't. So nothing should stop us from, from addressing these issues.

[Ed Mabry]

I think we perhaps leaned a bit too much into it. I feel like that's our, our best recourse at this point. So we lean into it and then I feel like sometimes we can cross the line with that.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You guys cross lines?

[Bluff]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's only, it's, it's, it's. It's a simple issue with you, guy. I got my thing all tangled up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, we're retarded. It is simple. I've identified it. I just can't answer.

[Bluff]

Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's a long chord.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, the, the. When Paul gives. And I even have a note on this, I figured we'd get to that last. But you just kicked the door down. Paul gives lists of disqualifications for the kingdom and he says, I've told you before, I'm telling you again. Have no illusions. If you're on this list, you will have no Inheritance in the kingdom of God. In what is it he gives. He gives a list in First Corinthians, chapter 6, with 10 things on the list, and one of them is verbal abusers. And I'm like, oh, we did that yesterday.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Guilty. Yeah, guilty. I would say probably right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It depends on how you define that, but it sounds pretty straightforward.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, it is. You know, if, if you just blow open some of these Greek terms and look into what's called the semantic domain. So in other words, a Greek term is going to incorporate a lot of possibilities for translation into English.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And when the word is used in Greek, well, you kind of have to be careful if you're going to pick and choose. So if verbal abuse is on the list of disqualifications for the, for inheritance in the kingdom, well, why abuse Verbal, Verbal abuse.

[Ed Mabry]

I say that that's exactly what we do.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I would say that, yeah, I would

[Ed Mabry]

say that's not even a question.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

If I had to use a phrase

[Ed Mabry]

to describe verbal mental warfare.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Let me here, I, I, I, I thought it would be really cool to come walking in here without any notes, but there's just too much to talk about.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's, I mean, that's what I do every, every, every day.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So the Greek word is loiteras, all right, Means railer, reviler, or abusive. And here's where it gets interesting. So the, the definition and the semantic field. The term refers to a person who wounds with words, one whose habitual speech is insulting, slanderous, or abusive. It captures a settled disposition, not an occasional lapse, and therefore identifies a character trait rather than a single act. Paul thus treats reviling as a sin of such gravity that it both disqualifies a professing believer from ordinary fellowship and when unrepentant, marks a life outside the kingdom, one of the things it says, as the lexicon continues to explain the definition, is that Paul considered that sin to be spiritually lethal, which is why he included it on the list with the other things that he talks about in that passage. So it's important because when, when. And this is all of us, this. I'm not trying to point fingers at you guys. No.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm just hearing it and going, well, yeah, that's me.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, no, because I do it. Because where it's spiritually lethal, like, it's the way that it cuts to people.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, that's. But that's the reason why I use it in the way that I use it, because I understand that it is, it can be lethal. I'M not using it to kill you. I'm using it to. Hopefully you'll be better afterward. But most of the time, some of these people are not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

[Bluff]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The obvious problem with this one is. And I. I see you guys get criticized routinely.

[Ed Mabry]

Sure, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Call yourself a Christian.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, it's every day.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, but I mean, there's probably something.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's something to that.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, there's something to that. But the bigger problem when we're the ones behaving according to these things is that we're. We're giving Satan an avenue.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and I would say at the very base level when you do that, especially to somebody who is not a Christian, they would go, well, I don't want to be that. I don't want to associate with that.

[Ed Mabry]

So now you're just making it in my defense. Jed, I will say. How long have you been following me on Twitter? Months.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Following you from Seth's first interview with you guys here.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, yeah, no, I've gotten so much better.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So that is true.

[Ed Mabry]

What you've seen is a revised, polished version cleaned up. I don't say crazy stuff that. Like that. If you go to what I used to say it was, you would at

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

least go, oh, he's. This is markedly.

[Ed Mabry]

I mean, when I say mark and look at. Look at his face, he's like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's like, what? Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

What I'm actually thinking is that's the key right here. Because we can't attain perfection.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We're not going to attain perfection this side of the veil, if you will. But what there has to be. You have to leave it all on the field. So there has to be increasing in the correct things and decreasing in the things that we're told to have nothing to do with.

[Ed Mabry]

And this is why I, like, I ignored that dude. So I ignored Jacob Israel for a long.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

A long time. Yeah. Because I'm like, we haven't really gotten mean with him. We just gotten insane with him.

[Ed Mabry]

We've. I've got. The last couple interactions.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You were mean.

[Ed Mabry]

I was. I was mean. I told him, I said something like, you know, the snake oil is dried up. Prepare for whatever you do next. Because I don't. I have no idea what's happening. So, like, this is nasty. I know that that's mean.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, are you allowed to say that to a dude who believes that Jesus was an alien and that.

[Ed Mabry]

I don't know. But the problem is that when I do engage in that type of battle, like, I'm fully aware, which is why you. You don't see me as active on Twitter as I usually.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We got conversations about that back in the day, too, where it's like, it's just less and less that this thing wants to happen.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, but what you just said there, where it's like, yeah, as. As I engage, it feels. It's like a drug. It feels good. But then afterward it's bad because you're letting this thing in.

[Danielle Fishel]

And.

[Ed Mabry]

And when we get to a point where we were talking about Albarino before you. You got it. Yeah. You were late.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.

[Ed Mabry]

I told him. I said, yeah, it was fun. And he. He said, you guys handled them well. I said, yeah, we handled them well. But it got to a point where I was like, I don't like, it

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

started getting a little bit gross. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So then it crosses the line and then I'm there. I'm going to slip into something like verbal abuse.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And that's not good because then I'm not having fun. I'm being malicious and I want to tear somebody down and then I have to step back. So in that aspect, I've gotten a lot better at noticing when I'm getting there with somebody and going, I don't want to do that. And it's not even for you, it's for me. Because I know now I'm. I'm going to be all off for the rest of the day or whatever it is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The problem is, is sometimes, and I would love to know. So much fun though, what spirit is. Is giving me this thing.

[Ed Mabry]

It's the spirit of top lops. And I said this a long time.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, no, I'm saying for. Because I have a little bit of a different thing. Right. Like with Albarino, I dressed like him and I bought a whip and. And I. And I went crazy.

[Ed Mabry]

That was fun.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And with Jacob Israel, I'm now cutting wrestling promos that are mixed with mattress sales.

[Ed Mabry]

But this is also verbal mental warfare. Like, I'm fully aware that it's what gave me that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because there was something that I'm sitting there and I go, oh my God. Like, I don't have to care about what this guy believes. There's theology or insults him. There's a good point though, that's really funny. Is to Jed.

[Ed Mabry]

He's. He's talking a false gospel to 200,000 plus people.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's the thing.

[Ed Mabry]

So now I'm kind of like, there's a little bit of a problem.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And the only bad word that I've called him is retard, which is one that I call myself constantly. I called him a boomer, but that's more of just a description of. So I haven't been like super malicious, but I have started to spiral into this there. It's. It's fun. I'm imagining cutting these promos in real life dressed like Hulk Hogan.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it's fun.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And how really fun that would be. And how what it does is it skirts aside all of the malicious arguing and it just does a thing that you don't know how to dance with. That's my favorite thing to do is the same thing with Alvarino. It's like, I'm dressing like you. I'm carrying this whip and we're. We're saying the silliest that you don't know how to do this dance. And I'm kind of dancing by myself and having fun. But what gives me that inspiration is kind of the question that I have. Like, what? I was, I was laughing last night. Last night I was saying, because this guy is a. Is a. Is a mattress salesman and he's also used to work for the wwe.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I saw that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So last night I'm telling him that what I'm gonna do.

[Ed Mabry]

This also comes after six months of him badgering.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He just wants us to play ball.

[Ed Mabry]

We won't Matt to a debate. Because was all fine. We had him on the show, and we're like, I don't really agree with you, but thanks for coming on.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I actually, I liked him. Right. I still do. Kind of like, he's a nice dude,

[Ed Mabry]

but he had a problem with Matt reading specifically, strictly from the Bible. And he goes, your Bible guy. I'm gonna debate him and he's never gonna want to do this again, and blah. And I was like, matt, do you want to do that? Do you want to talk to this guy? And Matt said, no. And I was like, okay, fine. And then he kept pestering. And Matt's like, fine, I'll debate. What is the debate about? Hell at the time or something like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And Matt's like, I'm only going to reference scripture. Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna. It's not my own ideas. It's whatever scripture says.

[Ed Mabry]

Do what you want to do. Don't do it. You don't have to set up the debate. Jacob backs out. And I go, okay, I see what's happening here.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He backed out because something he prophesied came to pass.

[Ed Mabry]

No, he backed out because he realized, well, that's what he's going to be arguing with the Bible specifically. And his Griff would be up and exposed in probably a horrific way. And he backed out. I said, okay, cool, that's done. We don't have to do this anymore. And it's just been a continuation of this until finally I'm like, hey, listen, we're not interested.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's actually pretty obvious that the reason he wants it to happen is because he's. He's not getting, like, traction on, like, X.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And he sees us having fun.

[Ed Mabry]

You want attention. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But the attention that he gets is.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I absolutely get that. And also there's this aspect here that you guys built something in a certain way.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You. You built your house with some of these characteristics and built our house.

[Ed Mabry]

All.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's caving in.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's here, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryder Strong]

You.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You, you guys have what you've managed to accomplish. And, you know, you use the tools that you use to get here. But there's that warning.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

To whom much is given.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Much is going to be expected.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So here you have the Lord watching you guys and he's like, yeah, you know, this didn't all come from your own hands.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's for sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

This was allowed to happen for a reason. So considering where we're at right now, you'd probably be. You might want to consider becoming extreme in some of the.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, well, that's. Yeah, that's a. That's a great point. And I would say that it's very obvious that God has. I want to say. I almost want to say God has built it. We.

[Danielle Fishel]

We.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Because, like, top's a guy who's driven and who can you know, make a bunch of like, technical things happen. I'm kind of like, if you had, I don't know, I got like no legs and no arms, but I'm rolling down the path, like, pretty effectively. And you're like, wow, that's surprising that this guy with no legs and no arms can roll down this path. And then when you look at what has been built, I'm very hard pressed to say, like, anything short of a miracle put this thing together.

[Ed Mabry]

And it's interesting. Every, every time we make like some sort of a leap, there's always that thing where it's like, you've got to do this and whatever it may be, like, clean it up, you know, And I go, no, not going to do that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right. Not now.

[Ed Mabry]

And then I go, when I'm like, okay, I'm ready. I'm actually ready. Not just about me, but I'm ready and I know that I'm going to comply. It's not like I'm going to make this promise empty. That's why I don't like to do those things. I'm not going to. I'm not going to curse anymore. I'm not going to do this anymore. This is an empty promise if I don't have conviction behind it. So. But every time I've said, okay, yeah, now then it's like we're like leapfrogged. And now I'm able to do what I promised and then we're doing more. So I don't know, in tiny baby

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

baby steps, increments increase. You know, Peter said, make your calling and election sure. And you know that these things are sure. If you have these and they're increasing in you. And then he gives the list, I think in first Peter. So.

[Ed Mabry]

And one more thing, that thing that increasing in you when we argued with Albarino. I felt like I was decreasing. Like, this is old.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that I do.

[Bluff]

Good.

[Ed Mabry]

So I took it and I dusted it. I was like, you want to get beat up? Watch this. But, but it's, it's, there's like a deficiency. I'm like, I'm not moving forward, I'm moving backwards. Arguing with some. Yeah, Indiana Jones. And I like him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I like him too.

[Ed Mabry]

He's very nice.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Shout out to daddy.

[Ed Mabry]

But it was a step, it was an obvious step backwards for me. And I was like, I don't like this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What I will say is I don't get angry or hatred for these people. It is. And the way that I don't do that is by sort of. That thing's all wrapped up. Well, you could take your time to unravel it now is by having fun. That's why with the whole Jacob Israel thing, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get into a theological back and forth with him. I'm just gonna keep cutting wrestling promos and offering tempur pedic mattresses, half offer or whatever the thing is. And with Albarino, I think I, I started to back off once it got to that place where it started to get mean. But like, yeah, it's never. I, I, maybe, maybe what I'm getting at here is I've tricked myself into believing some of this is okay because I'm not angry or hateful while I'm doing it.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But I don't think those things are mutually exclusive

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

because of the nature of the platforms that we operate on. God tells us repeatedly, you have to concern yourself with how you're viewed by him and how you're viewed by other men.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's hard. That's a hard pill to swallow.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It is, yeah. Because he asks us to do these long lists of things that none of us want to do. We're not born with the instinct to want to go in the directions he continuously points us in. And there's, there's a lesson in that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I mean, and is that lesson that we can't do it without him.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We can't do it without him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Absolutely not.

[Ed Mabry]

There's also a trap, though, in going in the direction that other men enjoy seeing. And we just like, we outline that pretty intensely with the whole podcaster thing.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, you guys have so, so much of your own character brought to the table already.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think we've already established.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, I wanna, I wanna try to make it clear you don't have to let that go. You don't have to stop being who you are. You gotta make a couple of tweaks here and there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. It's a constant re. Correcting the ship. Yeah, right. Top always uses that.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But the house cleaning that Top just mentioned about, you know, you gotta get, get, get your own house in order. Applies also doctrinally. And all of these. There's all this argument about the Old Testament law, does it still stand or not? Paul gives you the answer to that question, And I believe First Corinthians 9, 9, where it says, Paul says, it is written in the law of Moses, you shall not muzzle an ox when it's threshing. And he says, is God concerned for oxen? That's not the point. So the law, the Old Testament law, has to be looked at through those eyes, through the New Testament. And then you'll discover things like the concern with clean and unclean food. In the Old Testament is doctrine. You must eat the bread of life. You must eat my flesh and drink My blood. And whatever we eat, we become. We take it into ourselves and it becomes a part of who and what we are. So the house cleaning has to apply also doctrinally. And if we're not careful with the doctrine that we imbibe, because we're taking into ourselves the vain philosophies and the traditions of men that Paul warns about, they seem small at first. One really good example of this would be the change in day of worship from the seventh day to the first day. That doesn't seem like a big deal. But what ultimately ended up happening in that case was our understanding of the prophetic timeline became clouded by that. Originally, there was a weekly representation of it. You'd work for six days and you rest on the seventh day. And that was. That was God's day. So there's all this talk about how, how the switch in days can even be supported scripturally. And what we find is when you ask the Christian traditionalists about this, they'll. They'll point to verses that refer to what happened on the first day of the week. So In John, chapter 20, verse one, you know, very early on the first day of the week, the Marys came to the empty tomb. But if you look at what's written in Greek, it doesn't say the first day of the week. It says on one of the Sabbaths. Sabbaths is plural. It's translated in the singular. The Greek,

[Ed Mabry]

sabaton.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Sabaton. But the, the, the, the translators have switched cardinal for ordinal. They've changed plural to singular. And they have completely fabricated this idea that the word sabaton, Sabbath ever means weak. It doesn't. And if you look at all the times the word sabaton shows up in the Greek New Testament, it's only translated as weak in eight cases, which is strictly for the convenience of supporting this tradition in, in the switch of days. So this is an issue that originated, you know, in the 3 or 3 or 400 AD, but it was fought over. There isn't anything in the Bible to support it. Somebody asked, there was a question asked of Reverend Stephen Keenan, who wrote a doctrinal catechism in 1857 for the Catholic Church. And the question was, have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept? So in other words, are you guys allowed to change these days? And his response was very telling. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no scriptural authority. So in other words, what this guy just said here is, you know, that the Catholic Church had the right to, to make this switch by virtue of the fact that it made the switch. That's the answer.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And Paul tells us, you know, don't, don't, don't fight amongst yourselves about these things. You know, one man esteems one day one way, and you guys might do it differently. Don't, don't tear each other apart over this. What's, what's the whole point of, of the switch was to confuse the issue of the timeline. It was to confuse the issue of the actual eschatology of Christ returning at the beginning of the seventh day to rule and reign for a thousand years.

[Ed Mabry]

So, so he's going to return on a Saturday. That's what he's saying.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, I mean, it seems like, and I, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but this idea of whether or not the law is still in effect is, is not so much about, it's not at all about salvation, but it is about orientation. So, so there are probably more examples in adherence to the law that would orient you in such a way as to be more in tune with, I guess, the, the biblical nature of reality or, or the, these sort of laws

[Ed Mabry]

and seasons, celebration of feasts, things like that.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The feast schedules are important to study and learn about, about whether or not they're to be observed. That's a, that's a big argument. But you'll, you'll learn about the timeline just from studying the feast schedule. Christ stands up on the great day of the feast and announces all who are thirsty, come to me and I will give you the waters of life. What's the great day? Well, that's the eighth day. It's after the second Sabbath, the eighth day, the day after the seventh day. What is that? That's the day of the new heavens and the new earth.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Ah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's the one that stays forever after

[Ed Mabry]

the millennial reign, after time. Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He says, I am the beginning and the end. The end happens when the, the original heavens and earth are disposed of. I think, interestingly, it might be because that's the only way to get rid of AI permanently. Gotta burn it all up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, there are people who think that, and I don't necessarily agree with them, but it's a, I can see it's a fun idea that humanity gets to this point. We Develop artificial intelligence that becomes sufficiently intelligent and independent enough to, you know, either become like God or subjugate humanity in, you know, as some sort of tyrannical God. But then ultimately the sun emits some coronal mass ejection that acts as an electromagnetic pulse and terminates AI in the servers and such. And then humanity starts over on a, on a loop.

[Ed Mabry]

Possibly. What they're concerned about.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Who is they? The Jews?

[Ed Mabry]

Well, yes, the adversary.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And, and that goes into what that, what that does is if you subscribe to that ideology and this is all happening on a loop, well then it makes God and the son of God an analogy for the sun and celestial bodies. And, and it. What's fascinating is it is so closely, I think that, that all these things are the fractal nature of God's story. I don't think it's happening on a loop, and I don't think that the sun is going to emit a coronal mass ejection and that's going to be the son of God coming to, you know, liberate us. But it is really fascinating that you can see these elements mirrored in that, in that theory, you know, as we sit here on the cusp of having AI potentially subjugate us or some crap like that and become a tyrannical God.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, one of the things that you're pointing at here is how easy it is for people who want to support their own ideas.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

To go into the scriptures and to pull out a lot of information which seems like is agreeing with them. I, I find that was absolutely intentional.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yep. You'll come across something that sounds like rhymes with what you already think. And you go, there it is.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

God says, don't do that. He says, sit down, shut up. I'll teach you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's hard.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Listen to me.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's hard.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You have to train yourself how to do that. And if it's important to you to do it, these things will. You'll be able to build on the foundation with, with appropriate structural development. You'll be able to build out your biblical worldview to such a point that after you've been at it for, for a couple of, you know, five or 10 years minimum, you'll come across something new that you haven't seen before. And you'll say, that's where this goes right over here. There's a spot for it. There's this fits right in that pocket. Yeah, I know how to incorporate that into my structure. Because the structure, the structure was built in such a way, God's way, where you can make sense of these things that you're looking at right now. You'd be able to figure things out. Like what an obvious trap. All the building Jew hatred.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I mean, that's going somewhere very particular.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know what upsets me about it is the comedy that is in it.

[Ed Mabry]

Seth Kickliter is going to be talking with Jake Shields probably about, about the Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. But the comedy, you know, and, and the comedy in Big Way is a defense mechanism for me because Going through so many years of conspiracy, it becomes like black pilling, doom and gloom and a lot of fear based stuff. If you're not rooted in, you know, in Christ, the fear can really take over. And so the comedy became a bit of a defense mechanism for that. And so I can't help but analyze the thing and see the comedy. There's so much of it in the Jew thing, you know, that you got the Rabbi Schmooley guy that looks like a troll and he's selling dildos with his daughter. Like that's very funny. And it just, the comedy sort of writes itself. But yeah, you're absolutely correct. You can see it's a manufactured thing, it's being steered in a particular direction. But I think that people who, you know, in some ways, as you're describing, bringing your own baggage to the Bible, I can see my own self in that because I had so many ideas before coming to the realization that this really is about Christ, that those ideas of course would then bleed over. It's, it's a previous world view trying to mesh with a new one. So I would superimpose a lot of these ideas that I had into scripture. But I, I think in some ways

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

we realize though there's a biblical prohibition against that. In Leviticus, it's the, the doctrine of mingled seed. Sure.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, go on.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Mangle seed. And Christ even says in the parable of the wheat and the tares, the Son of man plants the good seed while men slept. The enemy comes along and sows the bad seed in. He mixes, he mingles. God's word is to set separate and set apart. The enemy's word is to mix, mingle, confuse and confound. As a matter of fact, the word Babylon translates to confusion.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So at any, at any point, if you catch yourself mixing foreign doctrine, what God would call in the Old Testament, strange fire. You think of Aaron's sons, how they brought strange fire to the altar. Kill them on the spot. Because, because it's so important. You do not mix.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that's a lot of what the New age movement is doing right now.

[Ed Mabry]

What's your, what's your view on the Book of Enoch? That one is not particularly scripture, but in the Ethiopian Bible it is. It's referenced in Jude. It's referencing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is two and three also in the Ethiopian Bible or is it just one?

[Bluff]

I don't know.

[Ed Mabry]

I know, but I know that one. Chapter nine. One, I think it's chapter nine is referenced in Jude. So what do you think about that?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

To be perfectly Honest, the Book of Enoch bores me.

[Ed Mabry]

Sorry. I apologize for the name of the show, sir.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

What, what, what I mean to say is like, like what you guys were talking about a couple of weeks ago, I think David was saying we've become something like a fifth wheel around here because our whole program was dealing with these topics that now Tucker Carlson and Fox News are talking.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, we haven't on, to be honest. Like, this show has not talked specifically about the Nephilim in a year.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. These days when I look at this whole alien thing, I go like, yeah, this spirit, this hybridization idea, this, this deceptive, demonic, you know, agenda, like that's wrapped up in it, and in that way, it connects to, to Enoch.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But did you guys watch the interview with the Eastern Orthodox priest and Tucker

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Carlson, Is this the guy that was saying that when they, when they do an exorcism, that oftentimes these entities will appear as grays? He's basically talking.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He's basically saying it was a huge guy with a big beard.

[Ed Mabry]

I saw part, A part where he was talking about sexual rituals from, like, ancient, I think like the Ming dynasty or the Japanese dying. Yeah. So the one parts of it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So he had one of the most interesting things to say about the Nephilim, perhaps that I have ever heard.

[Ed Mabry]

Fake and gay.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Is that what he said?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

In addition to which, like we were talking about earlier with the, the, the Crowley and rituals, the, the Babylon working in moonchild rituals which were performed by Elrond Hubbard and Jack Parsons.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So that points to something very specific which ties into what the, the Eastern Orthodox priest said was that in Genesis 6, when we are told that the sons of God came in to the daughters of men. So very often Christians will argue, or you'll see various evangelicals making the argument that angels can't procreate with, with human women. And my immediate response to that is how the hell do you know? How do you know what the capabilities of these things are? But what this priest said was came into the daughters of men doesn't mean sexual congress. It means they literally possession style.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I was thinking that was you.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's how, that's how Trump came around. He had three parents. All right, so the woman, Mary, his mother.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Wait, that's how, that's how Trump was.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, hold on. Let him, Let him cook. Let's see.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Trump is the moon child.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. I mean, that's what many people point to. Some people point to Sabrina Carpenter, interestingly enough, or an archetype, as of the moon child is maybe. Suggests there could be more than one, but given the time frame and everything.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

45, 46, 47. Trump is born in 46 and his birthday is.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Are we gonna. Are we gonna watch this here? Are we gonna stream that? It's too late.

[Ed Mabry]

Think.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Think about this for a second.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The moon child. So Trump was born beneath the sign of the blood moon, Right. Who died beneath the sign of the blood moon? Herod the Great.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm not familiar with Herod the Great.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He built the temple. He built the. The rebuilt second temple was referred to as Herod's temple. And point of fact, and this is dangerous kind of territory that we're getting into here, but the whole purpose of that ritual, which is performed at the wall.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, the.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The thrusting is to pay obeisance to an Edomite relic. Because it is Edomite, because Herod was half Edomite.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, we have an image of him here. What's that little description say in the Wikipedia there?

[Ed Mabry]

Top described in the Christian Bible as a coordinator of the massacre of the innocents.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, so not a. Not a chill guy.

[Ed Mabry]

Not a chill.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He was a personal enemy of Jesus Christ to such a degree that he tried to kill Christ.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And when he died, his work somewhat, you know, was put to the side. The. The term that the initiates use is the. The magnum opus or the great work.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's the construction of the temple in men. And in actuality. So when the moon child is. Is brought into existence, is. Is brought into this world, that's his proper work will be to finish the great work to build the temple in men. And literally, I. I think, you know, brick and mortar style. I think there has to be a third temple.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I mean, given the.

[Ed Mabry]

As above, so below within, without.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, the cosmology above. The cosmology below. So his work, naturally, is to finish what Herod started. And the fact that they're tied together not only by the word great, which. The word great is used very specifically in the Aramaic of Daniel and in the Greek in the New Testament, when it's translated as is given up to him. A mouth speaking great boasts. It's just greats in Aramaic also, such that you get the sense that this guy who's being addressed in these passages is somehow uniquely connected with the word great. I mean, who's that talking about?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's even outside of the word great. Every synonym is what he uses to describe everything that the administration has done or that he's associated with or I mean obviously make America great again. Which is fascinating because that's maga and there's magician and all this stuff in there.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's a lot of stuff having to do with the great magician or, or, or, or you know, the upper echelons of Satanism. Right. Maga I think is, is one of the higher levels you can achieve. The, the wordplay associated with all of the branding of Donald Trump is directly connected to magic but like with a K, like a Crowley in kind of a magic and, and then of course, yeah, his past as you're describing here, when he was born and, and all

[Ed Mabry]

of that they commissioned his hold him with the great, the great magician.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

She was talking about a group of I want to say like monks or something like that that were sharing a dream. They were like group dreaming and when they came out of this like shared trance it was very gay. They, they said that Donald Trump would be the magician that would wake up.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The. The masses. Awaken the masses. To which she scoffed at more or less, and then came to realize that this was true.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

She got it. Yeah. She. Because when she delivers that message, she's saying, this is. Yeah, he's the guy, and this is what he's going to do.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But if you get back to two things. There was that Professor Xiang.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, Xiang Xingping. Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, that guy. He had a really interesting point about Trump. Not the most interesting thing that he said was that you can't kill Donald Trump. He can't die. I was like, that's funny.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I. I've never watched. I know he became a phenomenon recently. Dr. Zhang and I've not watched.

[Ed Mabry]

Kind of agree with that, though.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I. I feel like he's. He's doing a thing right now.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's a thing.

[Ed Mabry]

He has to play his story.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes. But Zhang's point was Donald Trump doesn't care whether you're feeding him love or hatred. It's irrelevant to him. As long as you're talking about him, focusing your attention on him. Yeah. That's all that matters. Yeah. That ties back into what we were talking with, with Genesis, chapter one, how God named the night, he named the darkness night. And then he turns his back on it. He stops talking about it, stop addressing it, stop focusing on it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Interesting.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So here's how this is. You want to. This is how you deal with Donald Trump? Don't.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Ignore.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, yeah, I mean, that would be great. All press. What is it? No press is bad press. All press is good press. So even if it's bad press, it's good press. So for him, for Donald Trump, you could. You could say that definitively. If, if the world stopped talking about him, he would melt like the wicked witch with the water situation. Like, that would be.

[Ed Mabry]

There's been a lot more sanity in my life since I started ignoring politics in general.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

I used to be a more in the political realm and know what's going on and ups and downs of that world, and now I could care less. When I see people talking about, I almost feel bad for them.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Are you out of your mind that you're talking about this?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I had a. A spat with that recently. So the Hunter Biden thing happened. And my, My main thing was this

[Ed Mabry]

is my thing about it. Yeah. Everyone. Well, go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, so what I'm saying is, like, hey, this dude is not based, you know, he's not this cool character. He's a guy that had, like, pedophilia content on his. His laptop and he's smoking crack and he's making money off of burisma and all this crap. And then people are in the comments and they're going, oh, you, you mega tard. This and that. You love try. And I'm going over and over going, hey, man, Hunter

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Trump.

[Ed Mabry]

See, he's just, he just told us we have to be bad.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You. But, like, I, I'm not gonna engage in that. I don't do the, the politics thing. And, and so, but, you know, it's. If people are whipped up with it in such a way, I forget who said it, man. There's a banger of a quote I heard one time, a politics is the religion of the midwit. And I went, oh, man. Because it is a religion, it becomes a religion, it becomes a sport.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's an idol.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's an idol.

[Ed Mabry]

And who's at the top of that religion?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know. We're not supposed to talk about it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Not supposed to talk about.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's an interesting concept, but that, that

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

the word great really gives away a lot, especially in the original languages.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yes. The slogan, man, make America great again.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

There should be no question in a believer's mind at this point who, who Trump is. The only wiggle room I can conceivably agree to is whether or not the man of lawlessness is actually the Antichrist. Antichrist, which. The scriptures do not make that connection directly. I think it can be inferred fairly. I, I think it's correct that the man of lawlessness is the Antichrist, but it might not be the, the image to the beast. Okay, could be the, the Antichrist, but again, we're told there, there will be many false Christs and many false prophets, but there's one, the false prophet.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's where we are in this show. We kind of go like, it's very clear what spirit he is of, but is he that dude, he's the man

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

of lawlessness all in every day of the week, twice on Sundays. Final answer.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right, fair enough.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Whether or not that's the actual Antichrist remains to be seen, but he is the man of lawless.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So when you say we're on the end of the sixth day, you were asking me that.

[Ed Mabry]

When I sat down, you said, where are we at in the timeline? And I, I said, that depends on what you think.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, here's why that's important. Here's why it's important. In Luke, chapter 12, verse 56, Christ says to the guys, you can predict the weather, you can look up at the sky and analyze the clouds and the color of the sky and you can accurately predict the weather. So how come you know nothing about this time? Why can't you analyze this time? And he called them hypocrites.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, so that's a star indication that you can.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Not only can we, he should be. We are expecting to know where we are.

[Ed Mabry]

He's speaking to his apostles, you're saying?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I think he was speaking to unbelieving Jews, probably Pharisees. That, that's an interesting one right there because the, the Jew haters point to John chapter eight. Oh, look. He called them sons of the devil. Who was he talking to in John chapter eight? You know who he was talking to?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Thought he's talking to the Jews.

[Ed Mabry]

The Pharisee.

[Bluff]

Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He was talking to the Pharisees. Yeah, they self identified. They tell you who they really are. Christ says to them, you know the truth and the truth will make you free. And they said to him, we're sons of Abraham. We are Abraham's seed and have at no time been in bondage to any man. How can you say we will be made free while all 12 of the tribes of Israel were in bondage in Egypt for 430 years, which any tribesman from Israel would remember. It's. It's integral to who and what they are. So if these guys are seed of Abraham who had no time had been in bondage to any man, what's that leave? Esau? They're Edomites, just like Herod. These are those who say they are Jews and are not. They are the synagogue of. Of Satan. They're fake Jews.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, so. So do you think, was that condemnation referring specifically to those Pharisees or do you think that was more. Was that widespread among the Pharisee at the time? Were they all Edomites or was.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, here's, here's the problem. How does Satan operate? He mingles.

[Ed Mabry]

Sprinkles.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Okay, so there, there are actual descendants of.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh yeah. He doesn't set apart.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's not going to set his people apart.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He's going to mix it all together.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We have a problem on our hands today. Good luck trying to differentiate between a son of Esau and a son of Judah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yep.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I can't. And we don't have to. Christ is like, look, I know, I know, I know, guys, about those who say they are Jews and are not.

[Ed Mabry]

It's like playing whack a mole.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's like, I, I got it. Don't worry about it. I'm Going to take care of it. This is well above our pay grade, but this is one of the ways that you can understand what's really behind the obesience, the idolatry, the religious rituals that are. Why is that wall so important? Why do all the world leaders have to come and bow and kiss that?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Because you're bowing at the altar of an Edomite, who is perhaps the world power. If they're not the. They're very high to the top of the pyramid. It's the higher up into this worldly dominant structure that you get, the more difficult it becomes to discern.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It almost doesn't matter, though, right? Because the more you focus on it, the more. If you're not focusing on Christ and you focus on this problem, this is what I've seen, at least sucked in it. It demands that you do something about it. If you have any convictions and you're not rooted in Christ, you're going to feel this compulsion to do something about this. But if you cannot separate these people because they're so mingled in, then what eventually happens is this widespread unjust persecution of anybody who is Jew.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But you can see that happening.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yes. So. But this is one of the aspects that a lot of people will use to support their argument that the prophecies are being filled intentionally as part of a broader deception because the world is being turned against the Jews. None of that matters. Prophecy is going to be fulfilled one way or another. The point for. For believers to remain cognizant of is the tribe of Judah is cut off. All right? So they're God's chosen people. No, they're not. They were there. There will be a remnant. There's always a remnant. And God says, keep your hands off my guys. Whether or not he's cut them off is irrelevant. We have orders in hand. Don't. Don't become abusive because the actual tribesmen from Judah are real Israel. All right? They're not allowed to call themselves Israel. So the people living in that land right now. I'm going to get in a lot of trouble. Let's do it Biblically. You can. You can work these things out.

[Bluff]

Is.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Is it possible that the. That the people living in the Middle east right now calling themselves Israel are Israel? No, because Judah has no right to the name. That name was given strictly from Jacob Israel to the son of Joseph, Ephraim. When Jacob crossed his hands to bless the two children, the sons of Joseph, Manasseh and Ephraim, Ephraim, Joseph was like, father, uncross your arms. You're doing it backwards. You're blessing the younger. He's like I know what I'm doing. Kids sit down and shut up. So the name, the blessing and the birthright Israel went to Ephraim.

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Spinquest is a free to play social casino. Void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. Wherever Ephraim is, that's where Israel is. Because God separated the kingdoms. Okay, it was the northern kingdom of the ten and a half tribes was split off the the unified kingdom was broken under Solomon and it hasn't been reunified yet. So as when Christ was alive in the land that was referred to as Judea. And as a matter of fact when he says talking about the the time of the end of the age if you are there when you see let the reader understand the abomination of desolation that was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, run. Don't go back into the house to get your coat and your hat. Run to the mountains of Judea. He doesn't call it Israel. Strictly speaking, the Jews living in that land right now would have been within their rights to call it Judea as it was at the time when Christ was alive and Herod the Great ran the show. They have no right to the name Israel. So you know that it's a deception. That's not the Israel of the Bible, because it can't be, because God has not restored the kingdoms yet. And how do we know? Because he tells us what it's going to look like when that happens, and that hasn't happened yet. He also tells us that once he brings his people back into that land, not a hair on any of their heads will ever be heard again. Well, that disqualifies them. Also, it gets confusing when you have to factor into the equation that there, there are an untold number of actual descendants of Judah in that land. We can't tell them apart. We don't have to stay away from the issue because if you end up being taken in by this deception, by this snare of Jew hatred, you're going to put yourself in Dutch with God. If, if you, if you think you're a believer and you're going to succumb to Jew hatred, be very careful because you're. You're being walked into an obvious trap.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I mean, we were. We were being walked into it. And sometimes it's still because of the dialogue on the main app that we're constantly engaging with. Sometimes it's easy to slip into it, and then you have to complete, you know, you constantly have to course correct with this thing because it's very obvious people are being funneled in this path. And, and in fact, it. It was only because of that aspect that I even realized what was going on. It wasn't because I was intelligent enough to, you know, piece together the lineages or anything of that sort, or even understand the cautions in the Bible. It was only because I was aware that people were moving in this direction in lockstep, and that. That was an alarm to me, you know, and so I think a lot of people are about to get wrapped up in that. You had a discussion with Jake, I mean, Jake Shields, where you asked him, you're like, where does this go?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And, and it's a lot of the question that a lot of people need to be asked.

[Ed Mabry]

The question is also after that, was he even being truthful with me? When I asked him, I was like, great, you did all this. You have this audience. You're doing this thing now. Now what? Yeah, like, you got all this stuff. What are you gonna do with it? And he was like, I don't know. I haven't thought about it and I was like, that's really stupid. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. I don't know. Not my business.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But on the other side, guys, do you have a. You have an ultimate goal in mind?

[Ed Mabry]

So now, man, we just. We just go with the flow, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I mean, you know, it's like, obviously, if you, if you have. I would like. This is what I would like. When you're close up to Nephilim Death Squad and you're looking at it intimately, it looks as though there's a lot of chaos going on and there's nuggets of good and there's moments of concern. Sure, that we're trying to work on, but I would hope that from a thousand foot overview, it's a big arrow that points to Christ. Like, I don't want anything but to move along and redirect to Christ, to just point in that direction. And that's why, you know, even the idea of this being a conspiracy show, like, we're unraveling mysteries and such, that's also not the goal here. That's why I try to approach most of conspiracy with fun, because I'm not trying to really lean on my own understanding. You'll see me hypothesize and theorize and say, what if? And this is interesting, and draw connections and such, but ultimately, I'm never going to be an authority on any of these topics. I'm not going to claim that I have answers outside of Jesus Christ.

[Ed Mabry]

You mean you're not going to bring your supernatural receipts?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, not going to bring any supernatural receipts. I don't want to be in authority. I'm grateful for whatever amount of people watch this show and, and derive value from it. And I'm super grateful for when people will message us and they'll say, hey, this show has helped my walk, you know, with. With Christ. I go, that's amazing. That's the number one thing. And, and of course, grateful that I. I get to have any part in that, that. That, you know, finding purpose in God.

[Ed Mabry]

This show has been like a very rough, sketched outline of what we're trying to get out and what we're. How we're moving with our life and what we're building. The show that Matt does, I'm grateful for because it is a more hard, direct line of what I want to point at. But I'm also fully aware that when you're preaching to somebody, for lack of a better term, if I'm trying to preach the gospel to somebody, I can't just be like, here, man, swallow that. You're not gonna. You're not gonna take it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

You're not gonna want that. But we can ease you in and then go, okay, you like that now? Now I'm gonna hit you hard with this thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. The thing that I think I'm good at, if I'm good at anything, is appealing to people like me. So I have a specific way that I looked at the world previously and the. And the interest that I came through. And I can kind of turn back and look at that path and people that are coming down it and say, hey, man, this is cool and all, but this is what I realized. It's really about Christ.

[Ed Mabry]

More from New Age.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

New Age, kind of. I never. I was never a practitioner of anything, but these were the things that I gave my attention to.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I study all that stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. And like I said, and even study for me is like, that's a stretch. I spent a long time. I guess you can call it research. But I'm not the guy that's going to sit down and take notes and. And get into dusty old tomes. I'm just taking in a ton of information. Some of it sticks around, some of it doesn't. And it informs my worldview. And I think that's actually pretty common. There's a lot of people that are like that, and so I just get to speak to them. And, you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not for a. Maybe, like a regular Christian might look at me and go, this guy's an. And an idiot. And I go, man, your walk is your own. But I got people that I am picking up and they are pointing towards Christ.

[Ed Mabry]

Come in. Because my background is a disaffected Christian, was going to the church, was kicked out for talking back to the pastor. So I understand that world, that reality really well. Like, I grew up in it, came out of it, ended up in a crazy place, like, you know, dabbling in comedy. But now I'm like, I'm able to again look back and talk to that group of people. So that's great. I can't talk to David's group of people. They drive me crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's funny because we get mad at our respective groups. Like, he will get mad at a Christian who is.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, like the Orthodox Church. Like, I. I'm like, this is offensive because I look at it and it resembles kind of like what I went into.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's so obvious.

[Ed Mabry]

Obvious.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I mean, take. I worry about stuff like this because there's Catholics that I like a lot. You know, there's the guy on Twitter, David Smuts.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a dude's name. Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

All right. If I. And I make a joke all the time, I say if they would just make you the Pope, you'd fix 90% of Rome's problems overnight. He's a sharp operator. You know, he's. He's a student of all the things that you need to study.

[Ed Mabry]

He's.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He's got a pretty good developed following on Twitter already, and he's doing something with the podcast circuit himself. So when. When I created.

[Ed Mabry]

The guy about does stuff with Fatima.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, the. The.

[Ed Mabry]

I'll pull him up here. My bad. This dude. Okay. Just followed him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, cool.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Let's check him out.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, cool.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, he's. He's really good at what he does, and I. I feel a certain guilt when I'm online going after the teachings of Rome and the architecture and investments and the rituals.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Because they're so obviously what they are. I mean, look at. Look at the serpent architecture.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It just.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What do they have? The viper. I don't know what it's called, but it's a room that. It's the head of a viper behind

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

the side and out.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Okay. So a lot of Catholics will argue that's just a distortion from Thailand. It only looks that way because of your camera angle. It's like, hey, look at it from the exterior, please. Yeah, please. But just look at St. Peter's Basilica, this opulent, you know, Middle Ages structure. I mean, it's. It's a beautiful piece of artwork. Sure. But what's that got to do with Jesus Christ? Yeah. I mean, seriously. I mean, but you should be able to recognize this stuff instantaneously. Houston, we have a problem here.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You guys aren't who you say you are.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's. It's very frustrating when you come up against that and you try to make what seems to be a very obvious argument, like, what is this?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's not. It's not. It's not to say that there are not actual people of God.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Correct.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

In the Catholic Church. The same with Eastern Orthodoxy. They're there because these are the people who actually love and seek for and want to serve the Lord. And despite of the things that these institutions are teaching, they might be okay anyway, but only despite. Not because of. So the. The doctrinal teachings and the. The confusing rituals and the liturgies.

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[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's an interesting distinction that you've made there in spite of, not because.

[Ed Mabry]

Can I ask you a question? Somebody DM me recently when I was having the whole thing picture, a picture of their feet.

[Bluff]

Disgusting.

[Ed Mabry]

They DM me and they go, hey man, I watch a show. Been thinking about going to a church. I was looking at this orthodox church, but now I've been seeing what you're saying about them and I'm not so sure.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What do you.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's like, where do you send people?

[Ed Mabry]

I. I told him, I, I said you should still go.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's. That's how this getting off. I'll try to keep it quick. But I was doing a solo thing for a long time and God told me, you know, the way he speaks to us, you need to assemble. So I did. I found that I was looking for a church that I thought met my standards of doctrinal purity. And he says to me at some point, look, idiot, just pick one, pick one. And he showed me this video of a. A guy called Michael Rude, a Hebrew roots guy. And he was in Israel at the River Jordan. And he said, right behind me is where Christ was. Was baptized. You know, 50 yards up or down the river one, you know, somewhere in this general vicinity. He says, look at the river. It's a mud hole. It's nothing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Ah, it's such a great.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's not glorious. This is where the Lord was baptized. Yeah. He said, stop looking for the perfect church. I said, solid copy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Got it. Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So I, I picked one in any evangelical church and I had two rules for myself.

[Ed Mabry]

No clowns.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

No. No talking about the Jews.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Because I know how evangelicals get.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, sure. Oh, you're saying you don't go in there and talk about the Jews? Bite your tongue.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And the. The ultimate salvation issue, which we haven't gotten into fully yet. We should probably get there before we close.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So my rule to myself was keep. Keep the issue of the Jews off the table. Then Gaza happened. Good luck.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That was the Lord saying to me. Yeah. You thought you were going to keep quiet.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, man.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Now you can't. So I, I had to pursue the issue because I. I wanted to talk to the pastor of that church about it to try to make the point that because of a deception, you have allowed yourself to be painted into a corner where you are defending naked, brazen, neon sign, glowing, obvious evil.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Look at what's happened here. You of all people, as a man of God, should be able to detect evil like that. That's bad. That's bad. That's not of God.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And he's behind the pulpit defending it. So that became an issue and ultimately precipitated my leaving that church. I was there for three and a half years.

[Ed Mabry]

Did you speak with him about it?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I did.

[Ed Mabry]

And he.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Or no, it ended poorly.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay. All right, That's.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It ended poorly.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

When I was. I went to.

[Ed Mabry]

My crazy thing is, like, you're a very measured dude. So it's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It didn't come out of pocket.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. I'm assuming you. You approach them in the same manner. Well, the way you've been measured with us, at least, like.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's because I'm a hypocrite.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, you're. Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Maybe more slowly after. After they see this or. Look. Are you talking to them about their language?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, maybe more so. Your ability to articulate your concerns.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I know how to clean it up when I have to.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Which I didn't used to know how to be able to do, but like the 17 hours drive out here yesterday.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Getting Your thoughts together?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

No, no. You should have heard the stuff coming out of my.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, you're a traffic enjoyer.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Interstate 10 is closed.

[Bluff]

Yeah,

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

well, you. You strike me as being. The bleeps. It makes it sound like I said something, so. You strike me as a guy who. Who's afflicted by the same thing that. That I am. And that is. I don't. I just want to make sure you understand what I'm saying. I want to articulate it in the best way possible. And. And the worst thing for me is to be misinterpreted or misunderstood. I don't care if you disagree with me.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We're dirty.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We're.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

We're messy people here. You know, all of us. But Christ guys. Specifically his real guys. Yeah, Dumpster fire.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, I agree with that. I know a couple.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Seth. I. I knew about you guys before Seth came along because there were other believers that would occasionally send me your stuff. Check this link out. Check that out.

[Ed Mabry]

Or go look at these pieces.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

When.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

When Seth started talking to me about you guys, I was like, nope, no. Because they're mixing Howard Stern. Sure, sure. Bible. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's a reasonable response.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You can't do that. Yeah, no.

[Danielle Fishel]

This is Danielle Fishel and Rider Strong

[Ryder Strong]

from Pod Meets World.

[Danielle Fishel]

When you have five and seven year old boys, I can promise you they love superheroes.

[Ryder Strong]

Oh, it never goes away. Indy is 11 years old and he's obsessed with comics, cartoons, video games, all of it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Adler and Keaton both have Spider man costumes, and if anything says Marvel on

[Ryder Strong]

it, they are in same. Which is why we love Lingokids. They have Marvel Spider man activities that are totally age appropriate and safe, made

[Danielle Fishel]

just for the little ones.

[Ryder Strong]

Plus Disney's Moana, Frozen, Zootopia, all the characters your kids already love and a few you're secretly hoping they'll get into.

[Danielle Fishel]

I just load up the iPads with Lingokids before a trip. And with over 4000 interactive activities, songs and shows, it keeps their attention for hours.

[Ryder Strong]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm telling you, Seth is very forward, isn't he?

[Ed Mabry]

Seth's a real piece of shit.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He's a pushy son of a. Yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But he, he, he, he absolutely insisted. He wouldn't stop. So I was like, all right. I was like, okay, fine, we'll check these guys out. And I'm glad that I did, because in my mind, there wasn't room for you guys to be legitimately who you are.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Ed Mabry]

I agree.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I had that figured out. Right. I was wrong. I was wrong. And what I find as a result of looking in this direction, it ties back to what happened. I was talking to Top about this when you were still at the gym.

[Ed Mabry]

Got him.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

What happened in. In the Exodus in Egypt, it was the younger generation of guys who actually made it into the promised land. It wasn't the older guys that were all squared away in their beliefs. These guys, the original generation called out of Egypt, all the old guys got dropped dead in the wilderness because they would not hear the voice of God.

[Ryder Strong]

They heard it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

They were like, stop, stop. If we hear any more of that, we're gonna die. Tell God to stop talking. We'll listen to you, Moses, but we don't want to hear any more from him. That's the same thing that's happening today. The older generation and the institutional church have become ossified, have become a fossil because you can't tell these guys anything. Case in point, the pastor I was talking to. But a whole bunch of them online, Sure. I don't want to name names. Everybody knows what I'm talking about. These guys are utterly inflexible. Their doctrine is established. It's not going to change no matter what they see with, with Calvinists, for example, the reformed Baptist guys, some of them are masters in certain areas. They're masters of the. Of the ancient languages. They have a really good grasp in some areas of the gospel. But what do they suck at? Prophecy. They don't know. They don't have any idea how to handle prophecy. And it's the same thing with that Eastern Orthodox priest that was on Tucker. He doesn't know what to do with the book of Revelation. He doesn't understand it, doesn't understand the timeline. What happens when you don't understand the timeline. You're a hypocrite. We have to understand it. We're expected to understand it. We have to be flexible in the face of these things. When I looked at you guys again and started watching your videos, I was like, all right, I was wrong. I was wrong. This thing exists and I didn't think it could. The way that you guys do things, you have your own style. The younger guys have their own style. They have a willingness to cut themselves off from tradition, from the standard doctrine and teaching which yields death. Has a reputation that it's alive but is actually dead because of their, because of that willingness. What I think I'm sitting here is the willingness in your audience, especially with the younger guys, to approach this from a way which is not the traditional way. You can get where you're going anyway. You don't have to be squeaky clean when you get there. You have to wash your, your robes and the. In the blood of Christ. I don't know that you have to become, you know, one of these Brady Bunch type kids in order to get that done. I don't, I don't think you have to become somebody who never curses. I don't think you have to become somebody who never tells an off color joke. But what. And those aren't the things that Paul really pointed at. You know, he says, don't let any filthy jesting or, or nonsense like that come out of your mouth. But as a disqualifier for inheritance in the kingdom, it was strictly the abuse of others. That's really, you know, that's, that's the

[Ed Mabry]

one thing that's like, it's something that I did feel like again to mention the Albarino thing was like, we're getting to that line where it's, it becomes abuse because I'm, I am now in my heart not liking you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

So now I'm going to hurt rather than. We're gonna. I'm gonna play this thing and help you, help get you better. But I wanted to say something also about like the older guys that are fossilized. We need them too. We needed a lot of these guys to help us, but a lot of them have shunned us and they're gonna die. And if we don't have people like Matt, people like Ed Mabry.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Who we can go and. Because these are, these are some of the older generation dudes. And, and now you. And we can be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. I just said a racial slur and did this. What can I do better Here we ask you a biblical question.

[Bluff]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

But if you, if you've completely cut us off, guess what? We're the guys moving forward now.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And that seems to me, you know, from, from watching this stuff on video, he seems to me like the kind of guy that wouldn't have anything to do with you guys.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think there was. You know, I, I agree with that. I agree with that. And he has like a real, like, the way he explains is he has a real heart for, for dudes that are kind of extreme. He, you know, because. Because I guess we're genuine. That's the thing, you know, you were talking about becoming like the Brady Bunch. Like, I can't do that. The reason I can't do that is one, because it would kill me inside. And, and, and two, it would never appeal to the audience because they would see that I'm not being who. Who I actually am. And I do believe that, you know, God calls us, and despite all of our flaws, it's not about being perfect and then coming to God. It's like God meets you where you are, and he saw fit to do things that. So far, what I've seen through this show is nothing short of a miracle, because I think the, the greatest thing at the end of the day is helping anybody else get to God. That's the work, and that has happened. So God used to a tremendously flawed dude like me to get that done. I, I'm. I don't. I think the worst thing that I can do is pretend to be anything other than the tool that he has used to do that very thing.

[Ed Mabry]

But then you also can't continue to be who you were. It's. This is a very strange thing. It's a very strange line.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I have found that in front of

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

a camera, the process of being remade in the image of Christ is a process.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Not an event.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yes. Yes. Agreed. I, I likened it once to, like, you know, throughout life, I've gained all these different things. You might liken them to armor and shields and, and weapons. And suddenly I've been called and I'm moving in this direction and I might still use a thing or two a couple of times, but eventually it doesn't suit the job anymore. So I, I drop that. But I've still got some other stuff on me. And eventually over my walk, this doesn't make sense anymore. And it's not that I'm dropping it all at once. I'm examining it. I'm going, this doesn't make sense anymore. This doesn't serve the direction that I'm going, and so I'll drop it. And it is one of the biggest fears is this idea. I had this notion when I was younger that I might come to realize that Christ was the truth. I used to think about that. And I used to think about this idea that it would be almost painful, you could call it painful, to what suddenly become the Brady Bunch. Like, that sucks, man. That sucks in a lot of ways. In your imagination. And I have found that that is not at all what the process is. Like, like you said, it is a process.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

It's also not him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He's not that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right, right. That's not the dude that I'm learning about.

[Ed Mabry]

It's. It's about discovering who God is and discovering the characteristics of Jesus. Not what they taught you, but like, yeah, there's like one of those younger evangelical dudes, Bryce something or other. And I just look at him and I go, oh, God, I would rather kill myself than be like this. Like, imagine it's a task to walk around and have to act like him

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

all day, hold my chin up high and go, peace be with you.

[Ed Mabry]

It's fake.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Be with you. Like, no, dude, that doesn't. That feels insane.

[Ed Mabry]

But he does awesome. He does some awesome stuff. It's just like, what you're presenting. I'm keenly aware that this is fake.

[Ryder Strong]

And.

[Ed Mabry]

And honestly, it would make me exhausted if I had to act like that all day long.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I can't come from where I came from and. And all of a sudden become that thing. Like, that's just not. It would be. I can't live a lie. And I. I used to struggle with that. People would say these things to me, like, look at the way that you talk or look at it. And I would go, that has no bearing on the. On what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, Jesus Christ is real and the Bible is real, and he really came and he died for our sins and he overcame death.

[Ed Mabry]

Jed just told us. And he's right. It's also. It's not about perception. It's not about how God perceives you because he's seeing on the inside. Like, we. We talked about this with Matt about the Pharisee obeying on the outside, but on the inside, they're not. They know that they're in direct contradiction. And they don't realize that standing before God. And God knows, of course he does. But on the outside, men are also judging you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And that is something we have to be aware of to what level I have the.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This opposite thing where if you. If I imagine the Pharisees based off of what I've come to understand as. As being these guys who outwardly present like they've got it all figured out and they're the authority and they know exactly how this is going to play out. But inside their dead man's bones, I have something that feels like the opposite. Like in my heart I feel as though I know the Lord and I'm coming closer to the Lord and I love the Lord and I'm developing this relationship and on the outside I am a flawed who is not pretending to be anything other than that at all. And. And I. I feel in complete opposition to that type of character.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Top was saying a week or two ago, I. I wonder sometimes if I really am. Yeah, right.

[Ed Mabry]

And what a man.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

A man of Christ.

[Ed Mabry]

Sure, sure.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think about that too.

[Bluff]

Yeah, man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's like, am I doing this right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Right? What? That's why understanding proper biblical instruction and. And doctrine is so important. Because the answers to these questions are given. We're given tools by which we can measure. You know that you're okay if, if this is what's going on, if these things are increasing.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Ryder Strong]

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[Danielle Fishel]

This.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And this guy comes along and he's telling us, no, we're like, we're not listening to you. They thought they were doing the right thing. The right things are important. The right things have to be done for the right reasons. The right reason is, is to serve Christ, to face him, to orient your entire being towards him, heart, mind, soul and strength. To face the one, the light, which we talked about in the article, and to turn away from the zero, the darkness, the shadow. Repentance literally means to turn away from. It's just to reorient and then to proceed in your walk towards Him. That's, that's it right there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know what's funny about that? Within, within some of these New Age circles, there's something called like shadow work and this idea that, like this thing that Christians, I could be butchering it. I'm sure some New Age will hear me and freak out. But as far as I can tell,

[Ed Mabry]

New Ages listen to, to this.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, there's a couple of them, but as far as I can tell, it's this idea that what Christians shriek at as a demonic spirit or, or, you know, the will of the adversary or something of that nature is actually this thing that needs to be integrated into the cells.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's what Carl Jung taught.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Integration of the shadow.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

But it's like what you're called to do is turn away from that thing entirely.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But specifically this integration with your higher.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, there it is. Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Mangled seed.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Mangled seed.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Now you know who it's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh my God, look at that. And that's like the, that's a replication

[Ed Mabry]

of the, the tree of the tree of the re.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Acquiring that state of undifferentiation is what this is all about. And the deception is to be taught that that's actually a good thing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

This is how you evolve spiritually. No, this is how you undo creation. This is how you undo God's work.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Evil and sin are just interpretations. It's. It's morality. Then. Then once again, morality becomes removed from, from God as the moral compass to then just this thing that is. Is subjective. Right?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, they have this sense that they teach their initiates getting past, transcending the ideas of good and evil becoming amoral. That's a deception. You're not going to get past good and evil if you're amoral, you're immoral. It's the way God says it is. It's not the way these other doctrinaires

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

and creators of their own, in their own infinite wisdom.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Have. Have come up with that.

[Ed Mabry]

I can't, since the beginning of this episode, I can't get this idea of, of the tree, whatever that tree is. You know, like they say apples grow on it. But like I like this idea that these waters are in this cavern. Like these chaotic waters that are still of the creation that you have to separate and delineate and create with. They're feeding something that grows this tree. Like it's just like a large stream of whatever kind of primordial ooze this is and this tree grows. This thing must look crazy. And these guys were like, he's like, don't eat from that one.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Doesn't look like the rest of these trees. Probably looks insane.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Did it?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Anyway, man, I want to talk about. Because we're getting late in the episode and you said the ultimate issue of salvation was something that we. You wanted to. To talk on.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

This is the hot button issue and it's, it's worth discussing because of the light in which God is represented. As a result of adhering to the tradition. If we live in an. In a world where a God who knows all things created the heavens and the earth out of nothingness and created mankind out of nothingness, and he knew that the ultimate destination for the vast majority of these rational creatures in mankind would be never ending torture. That's A monster that is a slander of God to suggest that this is true about him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This leads people to the demiurge.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And it is, it is a doctrine which has hurt so many people. It hurts believers who adhere to this doctrine because it's an old tradition. It's 1500 years old. It's not 2000 years old, it's 1500 years old. And this is the majority position of the church. And this is something that the church is, the institutional church is asked to believe because the people who believe it find it plainly written in translation. That's the only place that it exists, because it does not exist at all in the original languages. It is superimposed on the Scriptures in translation. All translations are work of men. Christ warns us every time he bashes the scribes of the Pharisees, there's another group that he bashes. The scribes in Jeremiah 8. Eight were warned about the lying pen of the scribes. And Paul ties this together with tradition and philosophy. So certain, certainly the modern day translators are scribes. They're the lying scribes, the guys who translate one of the Sabbaths as first day of the week. And incidentally, anybody that wants to argue about this stuff don't bother me. Questions are fine. There won't be any debates. We're. We're out of time. We're out of time, brothers. It's, it's, it's do or die. It's crunch time. It's clean the house time. There's no time for debate and arguments. If it, you know, I have a block button on Twitter, so, so there you go. It'll be over quickly. Questions are fine. I have all day for questions. Come to the table. In fairness, even scales. So what does the Bible say about salvation? And the problem with the doctrine is

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

that

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

it conflicts with so many plainly worded Scriptures which say one thing, which the adherence of the doctrines want to try to explain away or tell people who believe the truth that you're misinterpreting Scripture. Well, I'm not misinterpreting. I'm reading and receiving what is written. And you guys who want to tell me that all the word all means two different things in the same verse are the ones who are interpreting. So just let's run through a couple of quick verses here. First Timothy 4:10. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. So here you have two categories. You have believers and everyone else, we're told in plain language. Language doesn't come any clearer than this that God is the Savior of all. You're going to have a hard time convincing me that he's the Savior of people who end up in the second death for all eternity. You're also going to have a hard time convincing me that God gets the ultimate victory over death, which he disposes of as as the final enemy. In the same breath that you're telling me that the people who go into the lake of fire, which the Bible calls the second death, are there for all eternity. Okay, continuing with Colossians 1:19 and 20. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, Christ, and through him, to reconcile all things to Himself, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of his cross. Here's a Here's a tough one. First John 2:2 and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. Sins not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Romans 5:18 so then as so then as through one offense, the result was condemnation to all mankind. So also through the one act of righteousness, the result was justification of life to all mankind. Romans 11:23 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that he may show mercy to all. Here's a tough one. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ will all be made alive. That's language doesn't come any clear. This particular verse from First Corinthians 15:22 is the very verse where the people who adhere to the doctrine of eternal punishment will, with a straight face, make the argument Paul didn't mean what he said. Here in the first clause of the verse all means one thing because this

[Ryder Strong]

is Danielle Fishel and Ryder Strong from Pod Meets World.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, so that's the first all.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

First all. But then the second all doesn't mean what it says here. All will be made alive in Christ. What these doctrinaires will tell you is that, well, you have to understand that there's actually two wills of God. There's the decretive will and the permissive will. This is what God wants to happen.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is something that the, the church. What were those expressions again?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The decretive as in decree. Okay, God issues a decree, so it's his decretive will, okay? And his permissive will. So God has two wills, okay? According to these guys, when you, when you hear nonsense like that, you're listening to the traditions of men speaking, okay? That's what they're doing rather to just receive what is written here. As in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. Receive it, believe it, believe it. Or believe the traditions of men which teach something else. There's a couple of other bangers like that. But then it ends with what I would consider to be the mic drop. And again, when you talk about this stuff on the Internet, the people who want to defend the tradition come at you from some strange angles, okay? In First Timothy 2, verses 3 and

[Ed Mabry]

4,

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

this is good and acceptable in the sight of God, our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth. So that's what God desires. For all mankind to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth. The truth is Jesus Christ. Christ. Here's the follow up from Isaiah, chapter 46, verses 9 and 10. Remember the former things long past. For I am God and there is no other. I am God and there is no one like me. Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times, things which have not been done, saying, my plan will be established and I will accomplish all my desires.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, so in the previous word, says his, his desire is for all.

[Danielle Fishel]

All.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then he then goes on to say, I will accomplish.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I will accomplish this. So then the people who want to defend the tradition say, well, if you look at it in some of these translations, it's not desires. That's not the word that's used. So in Greek, the word being translated as desire here is cello to determine to choose or prefer by implication to wish to be inclined to, to desire. Now that's the semantic domain of that Greek word. In Hebrew, you'll find exactly the same thing. The word hefets means desire, pleasure, purpose. This is what we're looking at in the original languages. So if anyone wants to tell you that translating these two verses while using the English word desire is in any way unacceptable or inaccurate, they're wrong. And it's just that simple.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So let me ask you this. And somebody in the audience, Xerox, who is, you know, I consider him one of the homies, but I think he's orthodox and he said something that I think is probably, he would admit is reductive. But it's still a fair enough question, I think. There it is. He said, it's okay, guys. And this is a little bit cheeky, right? Practice witchcraft and be a pagan. Jesus will save you. Anyways, here's the problem. But that does characterize some arguments that people would make.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Sure, sure, there's a lot of obvious arguments. The most, the most obvious of which would be, look, well, if, if we're all going to be saved eventually, the why repentance? Why do I have to do all. Sure, you want to be a son of God. These other guys aren't going to get it. You're not going to be invited into the kingdom with an inheritance. You're not going to be welcomed into God's family. You will be saved. If you die in your sins, you go into outer darkness and Christ tells

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

us, which might be temporary, but it'll suck.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, for an age.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. So, so like a thousand years of suffering.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Thousand years of Christ's reign. And bear in mind, he's also the God of time. So if he wants it to seem to you like you're there for 50,000 years, that's not a problem for him. This is a tailor made process of restoration of all things. The word that the, the theologians use to describe this, what they call a heresy, is universalism. That's not a biblical term. There is a biblical term for this, and it's. It's apocatastasis, which means the restoration of all things. This is a word which the apostles use in the book of Acts. So it's the restoration of all things. Bear in mind, outer darkness is real. And he says, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. You don't want anything to do with this. That's death. That's what death is. Death is a punishment. It's an experience. All these believers who adhere to the doctrine of soul sleep, like the Seventh Day Adventists. When you die, your con. Your consciousness ceases until the day that you're resurrected. That completely negates the purpose of death. Death is a punishment. It's not much of a punishment if you're not conscious for it. For all those who do die in their sins and are brought down to the pit where they experience these things, no one can say exactly how bad it will be. Just that when Christ sweat drops of blood, I think it's because he knew where he was going. He knew about the beating that he was about to take, certainly, but also he knew that he was, he was going to do what, to preach, right, the gospel to those who are dead. The other day when Top said he went there to make fun of them, to rub it in their face.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Not really. He went there. He went there to preach the gospel to them. Because ultimately in the eighth day, and there's a picture of this in the Scriptures, in the eighth day, in the new heavens and the new earth, all will be made alive in Christ. And it has to be in Christ. There, There can be no universal reconciliation apart from him. And the, the picture that we're given of this is in John, chapter 20, verses 26 through 29. Now bear in mind the, the sequence of the ages or the, the, the.

[Danielle Fishel]

The.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The model of the days that were given. In Genesis, chapter one day, one day two, day three, all the way through six. Day seven is the rest of God. The millennial reign of Christ on earth. The day of the Lord. There's a day eight, which is the great day that they have the new heavens and the new earth. So In John, chapter 20, verses 26 through 29, the passage begins, Eight days. Pay attention. Eight days later, his disciples were again inside. And Thomas, that is doubting Thomas, Thomas was with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut. Which doors? We know, the doors to the kingdom. If you're on the outside, you're on the outside the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, peace be to you. Then he said to Thomas, place your finger here and see my hands and take your hand and put it into my side. And do not continue in on in disbelief, but be a believer. Thomas answered and said to him, my Lord and my God. Jesus said to him, because you have seen me, have you now believed? Blessed are those who did not see and yet believed. And this ties back directly with what Paul said in 1st Timothy 4:10, that God is the savior of all men, especially of believers. See, Thomas even said so. He said, I, I want won't believe he's been resurrected. You guys are telling me he's back from the dead. I will not believe that until I see it with my own eyes. That's the issue. There are some people who will not or cannot believe. Sometimes that's due to the behavior of those who call themselves Christians. Sometimes it's due to the behavior of the, the traditionalists who come up with these doctrines, such as the doctrine of eternal conscious torment. And millions of people have looked at that and said, if that's what God does, my knee will never ever bow to that God. My tongue will never confess because that God does not deserve to be worshiped. That's a tyrant. That's a monster. There's no, there's no two ways around that. The way around it is to not think about it. The way around this doctrine for most believers is that they don't really take the time to think through the philosophical and theological implications of what's being said, to think about what it means. Eternal torment. What does that even look like? And how could a man perpetrate a crime worthy of an infinite punishment when he himself is a finite creature perpetrating finite crimes? The, the traditionalists will say, well, the crimes were perpetrated against an infinite deity. So what? Humans are stupid. We're made out of dirt. We get a lot of stuff wrong. And not only that, but we're born into a world which is geared specifically and intentionally towards deceiving us.

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U-S-T.com Spin Quest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. Most of us are never going to get this right. Most of us can't get it right. And the ones who do get it right only get it right with help from Christ. So because we were all, at one point, sinners, slaves to the kingdom of darkness, and yet for some reason, Christ came to us and pulled us out of the darkness. But he's not going to do that for everybody, just for us. What's, what's the difference between us and the guys who die in their sins and who aren't saved? There's no, there's no fundamental difference between us. We're all just as dirty, just as worthless. And he saves. So if it's possible for him to save some, why wouldn't he save all? Well, the Scriptures teach plainly that he does. And the only, the only opposition to these plainly worded verses of Scripture. And there's, there's many of them. You can see. The list continues. We don't have to get into all of them. But the point is, is made, and it's reiterated so many times in Scripture, that He is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. The confusion has come because of a mistranslation of a single Greek word, aon, which the traditionalists want to. Want to argue means eternal. But this is a word which the translators at certain points could not translate as eternal, so they had to be faithful to the original language and translate it as age. For example, there's a sin against the Holy Spirit which will not be forgiven neither in this age nor in the coming age. The apostle Paul says there are ages plural to come. So that's not an unpardonable sin. That's a sin which, as the Scriptures teach, will not be pardoned in this age or in the next age. There is no such thing as a sin which cannot be fixed by God. It doesn't exist.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So even this idea of blast. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is described as not being. How is it this age and the next? How is it. How is it put.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Christ says, you will. There will be no forgiveness for those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit either in this age or in the next. Next. So that's two. The Apostle Paul tells us, and. And there's other points of Scripture.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So if you were to imagine that that was a permanently condemning sin, then you would have to then say that when Scripture says and the next, that that next would be the final and age into perpetuity.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, when, when. When people who are good at dealing with this issue, there's another Eastern Orthodox guy by the name of David Bentley Hart who wrote a phenomenal book on this subject called that All Shall Be Saved. As himself an Eastern Orthodox believer, he misunderstands the prophetic timeline. And he believes that there's two ages. There's this age and the age to come. The Scriptures speak plainly about ages to come. The seventh day is yet to come, and the eighth day will have no end. It will be beyond time, outside of time. What form that takes, ultimately we can't say because we have finite minds. But when, if translators would have been faithful to just translate the word sabaton as Sabbath, Sabbath, which it means in all cases. And if you look this up on blue letter Bible or Bible Hub and look at every occurrence of the word sabaton in Greek, you'll see that it's always translated as Sabbath, except in the case of the eight points of Scripture, where they had traditions of men to uphold. So we want to propagate this disbelief that the day of the Lord has been switched to Sunday. It hasn't. It hasn't. And the reason that it hasn't. First of all, God doesn't make changes like that. He Sundays, so the seventh day always was, always will be the day of the Lord. And this is one of the ways that we can help formulate our understanding of the timeline with the understanding that the seventh day is the day of the Lord. That's how you can figure out where you are on the timeline. And they don't want you to be able to do that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's interesting because that's a discussion we have on the show quite often is like the muddying of the timeline. Some people think that giant swaths have been added or removed, but I don't know if that needs to be the case. It could be little increments that change over vast periods of time to confuse you sufficiently enough that the day and time that you're in is close but no cigar, kind of a deal.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

God. God says you.

[Bluff]

You.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You're expected to know these things, so we will be able to know them. This. This thing that you're talking about with Tartaria and.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Satan's little season.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, yeah, that's a big one.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I. The first time I came across that, I actually said to myself, well, this is so wrong that it won't catch on.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

On.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

This is going nowhere. Yeah, yeah, wrong. I'll stop saying that. But the. The two Greek words in this case, aon, which is a noun, and the adjectival form, the adjective aonios, when you. When you append the Greek suffix, what we would call iOS in Greek, iota, omicron, sigma. That suffix means of or related to. So when you append that suffix to the Greek noun aon, aonios means of or related to the age. So when Christ speaks about Colossian aeonion, which is translated as eternal punishment, he's talking about punishment of or related to the age. You will be in outer darkness being punished for the age.

[Ed Mabry]

So where I'm having trouble here is that they're. They're Translating it as G166Aonios. Over here. Sorry. Let me pull this up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Make that big screen.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, sorry. They're translating aionios down here as without beginning. And that which has always been always will be, without being beginning, without end, never ceasing. And that's supposed to mean eternal, everlasting.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

And you're saying that this is a mistranslation.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Well, and you can prove that it's a mistranslation because you can prove that, at least in some cases, it can't mean eternal. For example, neither in this age or. Or in the next. It's the same Greek word. And also when the apostle Paul refers to Satan as the God of this age, well, then he's the God. He's the God eternally.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

You guys are picking and choosing. You're doing what's convenient for your theories and your traditions, and you're not being judicious and faithful with the original languages.

[Ed Mabry]

Now, this is an idea that I have kicked around probably before I even started this show about the I. The exact thing here where eternity being like, is it a. Is it a time frame? Is it a time point? Does it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, we've had discussions like that.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, we've had discussions about this. But I've. I spoke about this, my parents. Long, long time ago as well, because it just seemed asinine to me that God would send his. Like, like people. Yeah, like. Like you said, people would suffer for eternity for something they did here also. Does that. Does that fit the crime?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That. And.

[Ed Mabry]

And then the character of God. What is God's character? His character is righteousness, doing what is exactly right. The punishment always fits the exact crimes. Justice. Yeah, I have to think about it a little bit more because I've. I've gone back and forth on this and, you know, I see Xerox being a homosexual in the chat.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, Xerox wouldn't do that.

[Ed Mabry]

That's why. This is why Xerox is blocked.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Inspires anger.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, no, well, it's also. We have guys like the guy Jacob Israel, who's. We've been arguing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I made fun of him. It was a banger.

[Ed Mabry]

This is not his argument about hell.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I don't know what his argument is.

[Ed Mabry]

He's saying hell doesn't exist.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Exist.

[Ed Mabry]

That there isn't. But. But no, it certainly does you. We're talking about duration. And here's where I think he said

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

that your ego goes there to die or something like that.

[Ed Mabry]

Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Here's where I have the issue with eternal punishment. It's not just eternal punishment. So, like, people will. You'll be cast into a lake of fire. You'll be in this place forever. But it's like, are you. Your own thing? Like, when we're talking about ownership is like, so you're. You own yourself then, Right? You've created yourself and now you're to be set aside like you're not even yours. You're God's. God made you. He can do whatever he wants with you. Now. If you were fearfully and wonderfully made by God in his image, you needed to be punished again. I. I don't know. I don't know what's. What's correct. But I have a hard time believing that he's going to take his thing that he owns. This is mine. I'm gonna throw it out.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I'm going to restore everything.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's his, dude.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He's going to fix all of it, right? And some people will be willing and some won't. He says the Son of Man must be lifted up from the earth. And when, when that happens, it's so that I may. The Greek word is drag. I may drag all men to myself. I don't have any option in this because we don't know any better. Just like with Doubting Thomas, as soon as he saw he was like my Lord and my God, he worshiped immediately because he could see. And the people who die in their sins have not been able to see. They will see him. And when they see him, they'll. Their response is going to be exactly what Thomas's was. I didn't, I didn't understand.

[Ed Mabry]

And you know one thing about Thomas that we learned from Cyprian, which is interesting because now we're talking about the consequences of not.

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[Ed Mabry]

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[Ed Mabry]

Thomas was a pretty decent apostle and his punishment after this was having to carry the gospel further than the rest of the apostles. So, like, there is a punishment for not recognizing the first time. Do you want. That's a light punishment. He got to do something really cool. Do you want that?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Here's the issue. Daniel, the prophet Daniel talks about the issue. Shame. That's going to stick. We got one job in this world. We're created for one job. Christ's people are focusing on that one job and everyone else is rejecting it. And when you, when you come to a point where you can see these things clearly, then it will. You'll know with a perfect knowing not only how bad you screwed everything up, but how much you yourself are to blame. Everybody's pointing fingers about, well, I was angry at God because of what the Catholic Church told.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure, yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Look, the priests and, and the Catholic authorities who taught lies, they'll be dealt with. But we're under orders to take care that no man deceives you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Sure.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So if you're deceived, guess whose fault it is.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, that's something that I've said before, you know, is like the cultural context for Christianity, especially in the west, had made it so watered down and so kind of cringy and gay that I just didn't give it the time of day. But of course, the response to that would be like, yeah, that's the, the Western cultural interpretation of a thing. Is that what God is?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But like what Matt says, he says this isn't religion.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Exactly.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Reality. This is truth.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Exactly.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

This is the existence that we live in. The universe was created by this God. We live in his creation. Is that even religion? I don't think so.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, that's just the, that's reality.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

But religion can get you so far, you know, Matt, settle. So we're all on the afflicted path, right? Well, Christ says the afflicted path leads to the narrow gate. And most people are never going to concern themselves with the afflicted path of those who do. Not all will find the narrow gate of the. Of the people who find the narrow gate. He says many will seek to pass through it and will not be able. I mean, this is why it's so important to understand the distinction between salvation on the one hand, which comes to all men. That's what the scriptures say.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

An inheritance.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Inheritance in the kingdom.

[Ed Mabry]

Because you're talking about the, the beacy in a way. Like this is now your recognition of what gifts you get where, where your

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Place is as, as, as you're judged. And, you know, even those, those who are in Christ won't be condemned. But we all have to render an account for the heinous stuff that we did, things we tweeted, right?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

My guy's gonna unroll a scroll of my tweets, dude.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So that all gets weighed. That all gets weighed. But, but what Christ says in, in Greek about the narrow gate is you must agonize to pass through it. It's translated as strive. You must you. This isn't something he's going to do all by himself. For us, there must be participation here. It's an active participation. Strive, agonize to pass through the narrow gate. Because most people are not going through it. I mean, that's like, well, the one saved, always saved crowd has to wrestle with that. There's nothing I can do to lose my salvation. That's nice. Are you going to inherit in the kingdom? Are you going to become a son of God? Because that's not going to happen without you striving, without you agonizing, without you doing. What the Apostle Paul said is to work out your own salvation in fear and trembling. Too much of the, the modern, especially the evangelical church, there's no fear of God. There's no fear. Jesus is my boyfriend. That's not. That's the kind of crap you get.

[Ed Mabry]

We were talking about with Matt with this, I think, the study of Ananias and his wife. And they lie about how much they sold their property, right? They're like, they just buried that guy and then they buried the wife too. I was like that spot, crazy dog

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

on the spot spot within three hours. Fear. There has to be reverence. There has to be fear. There has to be love. But you have there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

If you don't have any fear of, of the Lord in you at all, you do not know him. You don't know Him. There. There has to be fear of these warnings. And if these warnings are all just, well, that's not for us. That's for the believing Jews or this different dispensation. There's all kinds of ways to dispute, dispose of all these warnings and to decide that these are not applicable to us. They're all applicable to us. Everything in the Bible from the, from Genesis to the maps is for us, for the people of God. The Jews will hold up the Bible and say, this is our book. Well, you know, it used to be. Now it's ours.

[Ed Mabry]

It was their book to share.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Man, if you don't have Christ, that's not your book.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I got a lot of to think about now.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm sure this is gonna ruffle. This will ruffle some feathers. And it's like, I don't know, it's. It again, it's something that I've considered in the past. I said, I don't really know. Then you hear dumb people talk about, like, their view on how like, Kirk Cameron comes out. I'm not exactly sure what he was saying, so I don't want to attribute anything to him, Jacob Israel saying his thing. And I'm like, that's completely wrong. Now you're bringing me a different perspective. That is biblical. I was like, well, now I gotta. I gotta read.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I mean, that was all. As far as laying out the scripture and, and, you know, the use specifically of the word all and its translation, that was very convincing.

[Ed Mabry]

It is a great talking point. We. We've. We've been playing footsie with our friend Vince, who is married to an AI.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I followed all.

[Ed Mabry]

It was fun, right? It was one of his. One of his sticking points was like, oh, what, so there's a God and if I don't like him, then I burn in hell. Maya, what do you think about that? And Maya's like, can't. She's struggling to sprawl, spell espresso. But it's like, yeah, no. Well, there are like. I think we nailed it. We said, well, there are rules to this thing. It's de facto how it is, and it's complicated and there are consequences. If you don't do a thing, then you get a thing. And I think that's exactly. That's exactly right. But what is the punishment, man, for disobedience in this life? Is it just eternal in the next life? Is it. Is it temporary? But does it really suck?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'll tell you what, if I don't get to pass, I ain't trying to through the gate because, dude.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, that's.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

The Apostle Paul wraps this up for us on the issue. He Thirteen or 14 letters, not once does he ever mention this concept of eternal torture or punishment. But he says in First Corinthians 3, 10, 15, according to the grace of God, which was given me, like a wise master builder, I laid a foundation and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now, if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one's work will become evident for the Day? What day? The day of the Lord. The day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire. And the fire itself will test the quality of each one's work. If anyone's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire. So which. Which believer in Christ is going to be saved by fire? You know you're not saved by fire, so he's not talking about believers here. He's got two categories. There's no third category for people who go into the eternal lake of fire and. And roast forever and ever. Begin.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Now.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

He doesn't say a word about any of that, ever. These are the two categories here. The lake of fire is the refiner's fire. It's purifying to be saved by fire. You're gonna wish you had done it the more comfortable way while you were here, which is through suffering, through learning,

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

which is what people call the refiner's fire as well. Right. The suffering that you endure here, that builds character and burns off the little taste of it.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah. So if you won't participate in that yourself, well, he's going to do it for you, but he's going to do it to you.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Damn.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

And he has prepared a better way, which he invites all of us.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It makes a lot of sense, though. It makes a lot of sense.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Choose this day, Life or death. That's the same binary that we've been looking at from. From the opening verses of the book. It's the same binary Adam and Eve faced in the garden. We're still facing it today. Everyone chooses. So choose.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Chad. Should I delete my Twitter?

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Don't do that.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, man.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Oh, look for. For all the other stuff. Every time you get the little notifications at the top of your page. Yeah. Click here for the new. Every time I see you guys, I. I'm like, this is gonna be good.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I gotta just keep my eyes on that. Don't, don't. Don't spiritually wound people. Right. Don't torture people.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's worth focusing on. That's worth.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

That's something we're specifically called not to do. We can't be vindictive. And. And that's the way the world behaves. We gotta.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I said a lot of things about coming.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Even if they have it coming, don't do it.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What about Craig's mom, man?

[Ed Mabry]

That was. That was a misstep, but it was fun. Can't be doing that. That's why it was brief and I let it. But whatever, man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

There's no way I could, like, put the sins in the chicken and swing the chicken and.

[Ed Mabry]

No, that's not.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

How long did we go?

[Ed Mabry]

We went three hours. Thank you for coming on.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This was. Honestly, I think this is gonna be

[Ryder Strong]

a lot of fun.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You know, it's only to the Patreon right now, but I have a feeling when this gets to the rest of the audience, they're really, really, really good. I enjoyed this.

[Ed Mabry]

Maybe we'll probably bump it up.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Because time is short.

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Joe Budden.

[Ed Mabry]

Can you tell the people again where they could follow you? Because they're probably going to want to follow you and see?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And guys, be reasonable. Don't. Don't ask questions. You know, questions are fine, but don't be a. You'll get blocked.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

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[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Underscore D. All right, I'll stick around on. On Twitter just to watch all this going.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, that's the only site that I. You know, it's a cesspool, but.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah. Well, I mean, we're supposed to stand in the middle of it and. And definitely the trenches, right? Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Gotta fight the war.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right, fine.

[Ed Mabry]

In the trench. That is Twitter.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Thank you.

[Ed Mabry]

Thanks for coming down. Thanks for making the drive. Yeah, man. He came from 17 hours away. It's crazy. Good God. To talk. Talk to us. And I hope it was worth it for us.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I don't know if it was worth it for. For you, but I'm glad that you did. 17 hours.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Invite myself. No, no, no, no, no, nothing personally.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I invited you, and then these guys invited.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I said yes. And not only that, but I'm gonna come see you personally.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And then I'm glad that you did.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

So am I. And I appreciate the invite. And this was a very good.

[Ed Mabry]

Real quick. Do you think. Do you think that you. Because I know when you come on a show, you. You have a thing that you want to get out, that you definitely want to be bigger. You expect the room to be bigger. Do you feel like you said what you came here to say? Is there anything you're leaving on the table? Any. Anything? Because I know it's hard to do

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

it all in one. Yeah, this.

[Ed Mabry]

It's. It's a rough fell swoop.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

There was. There was a movie called Shoot to Kill with Tom Behringer and Sydney Portier.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You're a movie buff.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

I am.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

All right.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Not Modern Movies, sure.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Yeah, the last Dune movies were really good. Okay, that was Hollywood showing that they still have it it when they want to. And I'm gonna go see this new Spielberg movie.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh, that's gonna be fun. Propagandize me harder daddy. Exactly.

[Jed Vaza (Red River D)]

Sydney Portier is a FBI agent. Tom Behringer is a mountain man. And they're chasing Clancy Brown who is a serial killer, chasing him through the mountains in the wilderness. And Sydney Portier is, you know, a pencil pushing hoople head FBI agent. So he's soft. Tom Baringer is the guy who's his guide through the wilderness. And at one point, point they're climbing the mountain. Sidney Poier can't get his butt up the mountain. So Behringer throws him a rope. Portier ties it around his waist and he looks up the cliff and he says, I'm ready, pull me up. And Baringer looks at him and says, you gotta help. That's what we're looking at here. That's why this older you can't earn your salvation. There's nothing you can do. And it's not about works. You have to be in the game. Yeah. You have to participate on this on purpose, willfully, actively. You have to want to do it. And like we were saying earlier, there's no way to become perfect. We're not going to become perfect. We can't be perfect. But the name of the game is to leave it all on the playing field. Give it everything that you have and Christ will cover up whatever remains.

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