Psycho Witch, Rave Demons & HGTV Holly Redemption | NDS Chronicles

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad: NDS Chronicles

Episode: Psycho Witch, Rave Demons & HGTV Holly Redemption
Date: August 3, 2026
Hosts: David Lee Corbo (Raven), Matthew Hepner (Matt), Nancy

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Episode Overview

This NDS Chronicles episode invites listeners into the confessional, comedic world of Nephilim Death Squad, where hosts David Lee Corbo (Raven) and Matthew Hepner, alongside recurring cohost Nancy, share and dissect paranormal testimonies submitted by listeners. With their signature biblical-meets-conspiratorial lens, the crew covers a range of unsettling, bizarre, and ultimately redemptive tales: from manipulative "psycho witches" and shadowy rave demons to a listener's spiritual battle with cancer (and THC), the episode fuses humor, Scripture, and keen cultural critique.

As always, the show aims to expose the connections between the supernatural and personal experience, highlight the difference between deception and discernment, and reflect on how faith, trauma, and spiritual warfare play out in everyday life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Opening Banter and Community Updates [01:32–09:17]

• Hosts intros and dynamic: Raven and Matt riff on their podcasting evolution, personal lives, and inside jokes about punctuality and show operations.
• Event & Community Details:
  • Details on their upcoming Bohemian Grove event, including schedules, VIP policies ("prove your VIP status with an elaborate dance" [07:20]), and a running joke about the crowd's demographics (“Cryptids, country boys, balding Bigfoots…” [10:54]).
  • Shout-outs to community musicians and contributors, notably Dallas Spitfire, their intro composer.

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2. Listener Testimonies (Chronicles)

a) "Psycho" Relationship Testimony by Dallas Spitfire [10:26–15:00; 16:10–36:00]

Summary:
Dallas details a harrowing relationship with a woman he dubs "Psycho," who initially mirrored all his interests but whose disturbing patterns (manipulation, gaslighting, arguments, and eventually violence) escalated into outright spiritual warfare—manifesting in Medusa motifs and occult symbolism.

Highlights & Quotes:

• On dating after divorce:
  “Let me tell you, dating in your 30s and upward is a struggle dog. Yeah, I believe that... the dating arena... is a nightmare.” – Raven [19:35]
• On relationship facades:
  “Some types of chicks will try to chameleon their way into a relationship, but you can't keep that up forever, dog... then the psychotic bitch comes out.” – Raven [23:33]
• Paranormal elements:
  • Haunted house experiences: shadow people, “Batman figure flew 8ft off a bookshelf” [17:45].
  • Gaslighting and escalation to physical danger (“tried to stab me in the neck with a pair of scissors”; “went for my gun…” [48:13]).
  • Spiritual dimension: psycho’s connection to a coloring book filled with occult/Medusa imagery (“everyone’s hair stood up... convinced she was possessed by it” [61:03]).
• Societal Commentary:
  Both hosts note patterns—trauma bonds, spiritual influence particularly on women ("women are like a kite... tethered to material but floating in spiritual" [54:18]), and the recurring intersection of relationship breakdown and spiritual crisis.

Memorable Moment:
"Every girlfriend I had before my wife tried to reenact trauma with me. And when I refused to play along, she dumped me. Praise God." – Raven [53:20]

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b) "Rave Demons" Testimony by Derek [71:04–84:53]

Summary:
Derek, a self-identified raver, recounts a spiritual attack during a state of “meditation” after using substances (MDMA, ketamine) and taking experimental supplements—resulting in a confrontation with a rippling entity and demonic, musical noises.

Highlights & Quotes:

• “This is a spiritual attack.” – Derek [79:26]
• Raven and Matt urge caution against undefined “God” worship and new-age spiritualism:
  “You can't just aim at the amorphous, undefined God of the universe. That's what everybody in the new age does… where anything might come along and say, 'I'll be your God.'” – Raven [77:30]
• The hosts observe the common thread of spiritual doorways being opened—often unwittingly—through new age practices, substance use, undefined meditation, and occult symbolism:
  “You're illegally entering the spiritual realm and praying to a God you will not define, and therefore anything is willing to step in and take the worship.” – Raven [82:49]

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c) "HGTV Holly Redemption" by HGTV Holly [95:10–109:06]

Summary:
Holly describes moving back in with parents after a period of reckless living. Upon arriving, she is afflicted by relentless ringing in her ears, described as potentially spiritual/evil in nature, culminating in a terrifying nocturnal visitation (whispering Enochian language, physical sensations), and the subsequent diagnosis and removal of thyroid cancer—after which all the symptoms vanish.

Highlights & Quotes:

• “As soon as they removed the cancer from the right side of my neck, the ringing... was gone. No more demons whispering or late night downloads.” – Holly [109:06]
• “Everything tormenting me just disappeared.” [109:06]
• Recovery and redemption theme: breaking from THC (“53 days off sodas, vapes and gummies… keep me in your prayers” [109:38]) and crediting deliverance to the Lord.

Memorable & Humorous:

• Extended riffing about the name "Smith Wigglesworth" as the ultimate spiritual warrior (Mr. Wigglesworth banishes demons) [103:04–104:42].
• “This is why HGTV Holly crushes in comparison”—hosts praise her honesty and spiritual discernment versus previous, more confused testimonies.

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d) Praying Mantis Sleep Paralysis by Matt (listener) [114:07–125:56]

Summary:
A one-time sexual encounter leads to a sleep paralysis incident, in which the witness is visited by a towering “mantis” being—a figure common in abduction lore. Reflection suggests possible spiritual attachments tied to the woman's cancer history and new-age practices.

Highlights:

• Dissection of the “maiden, mother, crone” trajectory in occult female archetypes [122:17].
• Commentary: Confronting how undefined spirituality, sexual openness outside of biblical covenant, and exposure to others’ spiritual baggage seem to attract entity encounters.

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e) Near-Death Experience–"Changing a Tire" by Damien [86:45–90:56]

Summary:
At age 12, Damien miraculously avoids being crushed under a car after a mysterious voice (sounding like his mother’s) calls him out from under a jacked-up car seconds before it collapses.

Highlights:

• “God was the one who called me out.” [89:54]
• Tied to biblical parallels: Samuel hearing God’s call in a familiar voice [90:56].
• Affirmation that spiritual protection operates even before an individual explicitly believes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You thought dating was complicated... you never know with a chick who stabbed her second ex-husband in the neck with scissors and is possessed potentially by the spirit of a gorgon that has been haunting you since you were a kid.” – Raven [66:04]
• “If you're going to do something [discipline], make it structured... never do it when you're angry, just set aside one day a month…” (sarcastic, humorous take on conventional wisdom) – Raven [68:44]
• On trauma and spiritual vulnerability: “How'd you get so much whispered in your ears, dog?” – Raven [51:10]
• Running joke: "What do you bring to the table? I love you!" – Raven [26:24]

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Thematic Throughlines

• Spiritual Warfare & Doorways: Most stories converge on the idea that trauma, unresolved sin, undefined spirituality, or occult dabbling open doorways to forces that operate outside the conscious material world—often manifesting as chaos, confusion, or attacks.
• Discernment vs Delusion: The hosts continually stress the need for biblical specificity in spiritual practice—rejecting the “amorphous, undefined God” of the New Age, and criticizing both spiritual gullibility and ignorant skepticism.
• Redemption & Gospel Centeredness: Even in the bleakest stories, the thread of repentance, deliverance, and God's protection remains: “God was the one who called me out...”
• Humor as Exorcism: Laughter (sometimes dark, often irreverent) is a major coping mechanism, used to expose evil, relieve tension, and maintain solidarity with listeners who have survived the “crazy” side of life.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:32–09:17] – Show open, event & community bulletins, banter
• [10:26–36:00] – "Psycho" Testimony by Dallas Spitfire
• [38:10–43:26] – Raven’s experience with "illegal" spiritual encounters (prayer and the end of “astral” vision)
• [71:04–84:53] – Rave Demons Testimony by Derek
• [95:10–109:06] – HGTV Holly’s Redemption Story (demons, cancer, deliverance)
• [114:07–125:56] – Sleep Paralysis “Mantis” Testimony
• [86:45–90:56] – Near-Death Testimony (changing a tire)

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Expect authenticity and some hard-edged humor: Submissions are mocked, but also earnestly analyzed.
• Patterns Matter: The spiritual and personal overlaps in the stories become both warning and lesson, especially around the dangers of new age spiritualism, substance use, and breaking covenant.
• Spiritual Specificity & Humility: The show is unsparing toward bad spiritual practice, but quick to affirm both grace and the possibility of redemption.
• Engagement: Listeners are encouraged to submit their own stories, join in the banter, and, above all, “stay dangerous.”

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For future episodes and testimony submissions: chroniclesndsgmail.com

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Transcript

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Top Lobster Productions in the shadows of the ancient ones they never went away they're still here today. When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Welcome back everybody, to another episode of NDS Chronicles, the show where we read your paranormal testimony. If you want to submit it so that we can mock you, but also maybe, maybe thoughtfully critique what happened to you, you can do [e-mail] More on the mocking side. Stop it. Don't. You're burying the lead. People don't know you're here.

[Matthew Hepner]

Relax.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. And that is Matthew Hepner, a host of Straight Bible and Poor of Black Water. Actually, that's not really happening so much these days, is it, Matt?

[Matthew Hepner]

Because, no, I'm more of a podcaster now, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I bumped into your buddy John at the gym, big black dude, and he goes, I never see Matt anymore. He's like a big time podcaster now. I Said, yeah, man. John. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know him. I definitely met him here. He came up to me and my son today and was like, podcast bro.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, Jonathan.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Jonathan. Big, big black dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he's Puerto Rican, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay. That's kind of the same thing. Yeah. Really? When you. When you. When it comes down to the nuts and bolts.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So, yeah. You're not really a podcaster anymore, are you? Or I'm sorry, you're not really anymore.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I'm not really either one. I'm in this in between zone, dude. It's kind of like when you're asleep, but then you kind of wake up and you're kind of in between the two. I'm liking that right now.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What are you. What are you trying to do?

[Matthew Hepner]

Still a farmer, like, that's my main thing, man. It's growing a farm.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So all this time you've just been a. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

So like the coffee shop. It's nice to have other people be the baristas and stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm saying, I mean, I'm still here unpacking stuff and taking inventory back and forth.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Harassing the. The baristas. And they complain when you walk away. They go, he's so mean. He's so nasty. Why does he talk to us like that? Maybe. I mean, firm, but also, like, compassionate. You know what I mean? It's like. Like a. But that's not what you're doing.

[Matthew Hepner]

People are in shock that we're early, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I don't know. It just seems to be a trend. You ever notice that every time Top's not here, we're either on time or even a little bit early.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, weird.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hey, Nancy, say hi.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not so weird. Hi.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, that's nice. It's good to have you, Nancy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, so Nancy has never, ever been like. Hey, guys, good morning. How's it going? Did you see that thing in the news about blah, blah? It's always just been like, one word, Hi.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, we talk. We chop it up with Nance.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, you don't chop it up with Nance.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We chop it up with Nancy.

[Matthew Hepner]

I try every chance I get.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, she has a. A strong affinity for not chopping it up with you.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, me and Nancy chop it up, just not on the show.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I don't know if that's true.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, she promised to watch.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's the thing. Yeah, that she didn't watch it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, well, no, she has now.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is that true, Nance? Did you watch the thing that you were supposed to watch.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

Hey, man.

[Bubba Wallace]

What?

[Matthew Hepner]

I pretend my dream. Hey, here it is. Now do this. And now.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, yeah. She asked you to interpret her dream, and then you said, watch this silly movie and she felt like that was.

[Matthew Hepner]

It would be. She says that every week.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That is true. She did say that last weekend.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, it's. Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, we're gonna get into, I think, some dreams today. Actually, before we do any of that, guys, don't forget, a great place to support the show is to head on over to patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad. If you sign up there, you'll gain early access to episodes, ad free listening experiences, and access to communities of dangerous retards on Twitter, on Discord, and on Telegram. I don't know what's been going on on Telegram. I need a new.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, my God.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We have a thing for timeline cleanse on here. That's crazy. That's insane. Anyway, I don't know what's been going on on Telegram because I've not been. I had to delete it from my phone. IPhone does this thing where they run up updates. And what it does is it turns your phone into a useless piece of brick and then forces you to buy a new phone. That's what their upgrades do. So if you get too many of them, it's basically overloads the phone. It overloads the phone. Yeah, and then that's where it goes. But also, there's discount codes for merchandise. [e-mail] you sign up. I mean, don't sign up.

[Matthew Hepner]

One thing that people are asking for is what time does the event start at? Like, what time does it start on Friday and what time does it start on Saturday?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The VIP day, which is Friday, 8, 7 is gonna start. I mean, the coffee shop is open for business, so people can come in here and. And is it. Is it a correct usage of the word pet? Patronize. Patronize, yeah. Like if they come here and buy things.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, I thought you meant. I thought patronizing meant, like, petting.

[Bubba Wallace]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They could come here and. And purchase goods all day.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There's nothing that stops them. And we're going to be in here, you know, the entire week leading up to Bohemian Grove, doing all sorts of interviews and episodes here in the coffee shop. So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, come and hang out whenever you want, but the doors close at 4, unless you're a VIP member. So if you could prove to us beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're a VIP member and you know, we might have you do possibly an elaborate dance.

[Matthew Hepner]

Guilty until proven innocent. You have to prove that you have a VIP ticket.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Exactly. Yeah. And I don't know how you're going to do that, but if you can do it, then you can stay. When the door's shut. Yeah, it will kick everybody else out. We'll say you don't have one. Get the. And we'll drag you out of the building kicking and screaming.

[Matthew Hepner]

Four o', clock, we just start vibing. But there's no like set schedule.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, no, no. So we're just gonna hang out and we'll figure out like the, you know, maybe like some little snacky wackies and some. I'm sorry, I watched a little bit of Jay Dyer just got me talking like that

[Matthew Hepner]

and.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And you know, maybe. Are we allowed to have drinks here? Can people have drinks here or is that a no go?

[Matthew Hepner]

Alcohol?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, alcohol.

[Matthew Hepner]

There's a publix next door in a Chinese place next door.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't think you could just drink in the. In a publix.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, but I mean, you could get your booze and slam it. But we can't drink in here. I mean, I remember the days of drinking and you had to like get something and slam it.

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. So you got a pre game.

[Matthew Hepner]

You got a pregame.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Just be in the public just slamming beers.

[Matthew Hepner]

I thought I remember you get like a little, you know, bottle or something. You add it to your container and then.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, whatever you do, that's on you. And then, you know, at some point throughout the day, we're gonna have a. A Bible study. We'll figure out what that's going to look like. It'll be me, you, top Ed Mabry, Laura Baker and. And who else is it? I feel like I'm forgetting somebody very important when it comes to that mix up.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not Jay Dyer. But they're like, they're similar though, or they've been in the news.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, I don't know if Owen's gonna be here. I don't know when is when Owen's getting here.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, so the whole thing about the special guest for.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not really.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's the main day. I'm saying I don't know if he's gonna be here for the VIP experience. You would Think I would know something about my own event. There's a lot that I don't know. And then the next day, 8. 8. That starts at 12. That starts at 12. And it goes to 7. And then there's an after hour hangs at the Brownwood Hotel, slash Brownwood location for the standard coffee shop. And we're gonna hang out after 7:00pm Hell yeah, dude. Hell yeah. I'm gonna be getting my room there because.

[Ryan]

Brilliant.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That pool is nice. Yeah, yeah. But it's mainly the pool. Mainly having access to the pool.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So there you go. Top lobster dot com. Go get your tickets to Bohemian Grove. I know we talked a lot about

[Matthew Hepner]

the VIP day, but have you checked at the. What a lot of the guests look like. There's give it away about skin tone,

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

very hideous and off putting.

[Bubba Wallace]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know what's interesting is we were talking a little bit about the crowd that the Ortho Bros pull and they're kind of like neck bearded debate guys. And that's not. That's not uniformly true across the board, obviously.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But I don't know about our.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I've never seen them in the light. Every time we do anything with them, it's always in a dark room. So I don't know if they're.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's a lot of country people, I think, dude. Well, you can tell by the city slickers.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, what?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There's a heavy.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, not the smell. Just they're like real ass people.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, there is a smell. I mean, you know, they have a. A little bit of a tinge to them. And you would say hard workers in the sun and getting the job done is the list of priority. That's at the top of the priority list. Maybe. Maybe Deodorizer. Deodorizer is not so much at the top of the. Yeah, we are early. All right, so we're gonna get into this story. This first one comes from Dallas Spitfire.

[Matthew Hepner]

The musician.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The musician. He's actually the guy that made not only the intro music for the show, but he also made the 8 bit version that's going to be in the video game, which will also be a demo will be available at Bohemian Grove.

[Matthew Hepner]

Of what?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The Nephilim Death Squad video game. Just what a Crazy, Crazy Life. Yeah. G by Jonathan says neck bearders and then Balding Bigfoots in. In a lot of. Well, is that. Is that our crew? Balding Bigfoots.

[Matthew Hepner]

Huh?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Because I feel like there's an overlap there. Cryptids, Country Boys, Balding Bigfoots. There might be Something.

[Matthew Hepner]

There's quite a lot of orthos that are in the NDS crowd, and God

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

bless them, I love them. You know, I can't talk. Not anymore.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We've actually seen a noticeable decline in some, some statistics and numbers after our recent episode. But, you know, it's got to be said. What's got to be said has to be said. And we're not in the, in the, in the mode of maintaining listenership, you know, over. Over the truth.

[Matthew Hepner]

All right, keep it real.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So let's get into this. Yes, Dallas does crush. He says, dear Nancy, I don't like really how that starts. Oh, am I supposed to do a music. Hold on.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, boy. Can you do the Owen Benjamin.

[Ryan]

Hold on, wait.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Spooky. Spooky thing. Yeah. People really seem to like yesterday's show, Michael Manifesto. So we got good feedback on the comments, but I think there was a lot of silent disavowers who, you know, went their separate ways. So be it. Okay, so dear Nancy, Dallas is talking directly to Nancy. Say hi, Nance. Hello, Dallas.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, two words.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You're my favorite person in the crew. Oh, that's what strange. Please stop boiling water long enough to put this in front of Top and Raven's faces.

[Matthew Hepner]

I see what's going on to be okay. Makes sense.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Says okay. Thanks. I love you. Bye.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, so he used her.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. And Nancy didn't. I don't even think she noticed this. I, I just plucked this out of the lineup right before the show started. Hey, Top. Hey, David and Matt with three T's. Perhaps. Ah, perhaps. Perhaps he knows Dallas Spitfire here docs me. Dallas is actually his name, by the way, which is a cool name.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is his last name really Spitfire?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't think it is.

[Matthew Hepner]

I think it is.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't think it is. So there's not really a true doxing.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okie dokie.

[Matthew Hepner]

God do Spitfire, though.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He do. I, I, I don't know if he raps. It sounds like a rapping thing, doesn't it?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, fire.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he made those. Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Sancho, don't read the chat. You got a lot.

[Matthew Hepner]

I normally won't, but that's been a very highly debated topic lately. That's been very hurtful. It's caused some harm within the sphere.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, you've. You literally caught it as it popped up. You were. You were scanning the chat like an insane person. God bless you, esteemed, excellent gentleman. No, you. I heard Juan, AKA Exile, AKA Juan's story, so we doxed him In a kind of a double fashion.

[Matthew Hepner]

I might have been on for that one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That was a crazy girlfriend. Yes, dude. Okay, that was a crazy story. If you guys haven't heard In Exile,

[Matthew Hepner]

I didn't like it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It was. It was heavy. It was a heavy, heavy episode. Heard the story recently on Chronicles and decided it's time to drop this experience, which is somewhat related and something of a sequel to the first experience I shared on Chronicles Number five. If you don't recall. Damn you, You.

[Ryan]

You.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Wait, he said something on Chronicles Number five. That's crazy. I don't even know. We don't number anything.

[Matthew Hepner]

How could you forget this if you don't recall? I was the one who saw the Medusa ass looking interdimensional in Snake when I was six.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I do remember that. Yeah, I do remember that. Okay, shout out to you, Dallas. The story is long, so I'll try to trim it down as short as possible. Just snip a little off the tip for us. I was married for seven years in my 20s and eventually divorced.

[Matthew Hepner]

Sorry, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I won't be a and play the blame game here. But long story short, I spent the next five years focused on stacking paper.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's a rapper. How is he not a rapper?

[Bubba Wallace]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hustling hard. Grinding. Yeah. All my life. Grinding all my life. Okay, so. And also building muscle, which is good. As well as working on my hobbies of playing music and game web programming.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I imagine there's a bit of a curve, and then you kind of, like,

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Whatever. Yeah, yeah.

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[Matthew Hepner]

Facts. Amen.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

For the next few years, I lived it as a bachelor in a four bedroom, two bathroom house by myself. That's the way you got so much room.

[Matthew Hepner]

A little much, man, yeah. Cleaning.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That is a lot. Well, I mean, you probably don't use one of the bathrooms at all.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know where this story is going. If you're guessing, maybe it's room for a little spookiness. If it's that big of a house and you're in one room at a time. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Being just by virtue of being in a big empty house, that's a little bit spooky.

[Matthew Hepner]

Unless maybe he's got like ferrets or some kind of animals that go in the other room.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I do like a ferret.

[Matthew Hepner]

They steal the keys and they're like very playful.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The problem is they find their ways into the sofas, like the webbing under the sofa and then they make poopies in there. And that is a problem that you can't really house train a ferret. So you're in a four bedroom, two bathroom house by yourself, which I'm not going to explain the layout of. Well, deprive us of that, why don't you? By the way, I think we do have something from hgtv, Holly. Another one in the lineup says something about a redemption story. Which is. Which is great. So looking forward to that side note. That was haunted.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

For quite some time. So. Yeah. Coming. Ferrets do smell gin. But they're so cute. I love a ferret. They're so cute. Did you really? Would you eat it? Because you're Asian? No, when I was a kid.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Do you love her? I did. She's dead. No, I know that, but like.

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you mean love her?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, just like in the way I like. I love my cat.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, you're picturing Nancy, like snuggling it, like watching movies together.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hell yeah. Ferrets are cool, man.

[Matthew Hepner]

They are.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They're very smart. They're very smart. Stanky.

[Matthew Hepner]

You feel like Nancy bases all of her relationships on Intellect. Like if she.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like if there's people at work that aren't as super, like a certain level of intellect. Yeah, she's just like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She doesn't value that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not effing with you.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like, I'm not very racist. And I could see the.

[Matthew Hepner]

You know, other people may value like honesty or loyalty or things like that. She's more just like intellect.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. Like if you're cunning and ruthless, she still values you very much.

[Matthew Hepner]

Values.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that true? Dance. Would you say that's accurate? No. All right, well, we just wasted a lot of our breath.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's worth a little shot.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So the was haunted for some time. That whole. That's a whole other story. Everyone who lived there saw shadow people and other weird. And several people went nuts while living there. One night I held a party and everyone watched a little Batman figure fly 8ft off a bookshelf for no reason at all. Spent a lot of time praying over the house after that incident. Eventually all that subsided.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's not really going to tell us, like, how all that went. Anyway, paranormal activity aside, I had a lot of fun and dated several women. A bit of a. Bit of a. A bit of a slut there.

[Matthew Hepner]

Male. I believe it's called a player.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, it's called a slut. Okay, Dallas. Slut. Fire.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I had dated several women, made some friends, got scammed like a dumb. But in general had a lot of good experiences and a lot of not so great experiences. Let me tell you, dating in your 30s and upward is a struggle dog. Yeah, I believe that you're designed to. Well, it's not so much that that's the issue as much as the dating field. You know, I. I have a cousin who's like a brother to me, and I watched him get into the dating arena and it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. Everybody is overthinking everything all the time.

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you mean?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's just like these little.

[Matthew Hepner]

They're like, oh, he did that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's like, pull out the chair. And that's misogynistic. I'm an independent woman. Don't need no man to pull the chair out kind of a deal. Right.

[Ryan]

Or.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Or the dude is, you know, overly concerned. Just like there's too many. I think when you have too many. Not restrictions, but rigidity. I'm looking for this person who checks these boxes. You're leaving not a lot of room for God to work.

[Matthew Hepner]

Exactly. And those relationships are over quick. They are because they Fart it stinks bad. And you're like, I'm out. I wasn't.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

If that was. Yeah. If that was my problem, I would have been. My wife would have.

[Matthew Hepner]

Was like, you married? Who lived on your street?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Archie Bunker farted on his wife's face. And that. Call her the N word.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And they stay together forever.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's funny about that, too? Is everybody like, oh, you're just infinitely wise. Huh? You know exactly what you want from a person. They need to check all these boxes. Like, how do you know that that's the correct formula?

[Matthew Hepner]

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[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What happened to just, like, seeing somebody and then knowing something?

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know, in your spirit. In your spirit. So.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. Not a great thing to be dating in your 30s. My. My heart goes out to you if you have that going on. What a nightmare. Just putting my heart out to people. So eventually I met this woman who will only be referred to as psycho moving forward. All right, that's easy to remember. This is where gets. Especially on my behalf, I still wore a lens of idealism, despite being like Raven and a conspiracy theorist since I was 16. Amen. Another conspiracy theorist since. Since 16. What a year to be a conspiracy theorist. You know, as far as all the years you live. 16. Some say the best time to start being one. We hit it off extremely quickly, and she seemed to be into everything that I was into, from conspiracy theories to the Legend of Zelda games. Okay, this is actually not vibing. Right. My wife has seldomly ever been into the things that I'm into.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah. My wife does not give a. About video games. She doesn't give a. About not. I don't say give a. Like she's ever been cold and unreceptive, but, like, it's just not her thing. And I came to terms with that very quickly and never had any qualms with it. You know, it's like, whatever her thing is.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's her.

[Matthew Hepner]

Things are totally separate other than, like, going to the beach.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

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Like, but as far as, like, hobbies, like, she's. It's just completely different. She's, like, doing puzzles. Yeah. Sourdough. She's Doing nails. She's doing Bella's nails. She's watching Hallmark movies. I don't get down the Hallmark movie. So you try to be as cool as you can to overlap a little bit, but it's like, yo, let's just do it on the stuff we like. If we like going on bike rides, we like swimming, spending time. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is the great. Yeah, you know, connective tissue. Otherwise, like. Yeah, have your things.

[Matthew Hepner]

Video games, though. She'll go home and play video games with Coinboy. They have, like, two screens, but they're, like, laughing, and then they cook, and that's their video games again. And then.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But then I'm sure they have a ton of things. Is she very interested in coins?

[Matthew Hepner]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, there you go. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's right. I think you have to have those little separate things that are meaningful to you, so. And sometimes I just think that there's a. A facade, like. Like a. Like some types of chicks will try to chameleon their way into a relationship by pretending to like all this, but you can't keep that up forever, dog. So once that. Once that energy to pretend play the pretend game goes away, then the. Then the psychotic bitch comes out bad.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah. Do we agree on sex? Is that what you're saying?

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. So I. I was watching these videos with my wife. Hold on. Wait. Do I have a button for that? I don't know where it is anymore. Doused in semen. I don't know where that button is, but. So me and my wife are watching these videos, and it was like. Of polyamory people, and they were trying to explain the logic behind having multiple relationships, Right. And it was like, well, this person likes all the activities that I like, so. And this person is much more romantic and, like, cuddly and stuff. This person I choose just for sex, and then this other person for conversation because they're intellectually and I'M like, those are just called friends, you dumb.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah. You can get.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Stop having sex with them and just be friends, dude. Have a, A, a person that you're with and then have friends that you talk to, friends that you bike with, friends that you, you know, whatever. But don't, don't do the. I'm in a relationship with all them. It's a romantic relationship with all of it. It's a completely. And then what? These people always have a blind spot. Number one, they're always morbidly obese and hideous looking. Number two, it's never about like you've selected this army of people who all fill this void in you. But given no thought, don't. It's not a sexual innuendo this time. Given no thought to like what you do for any of these people.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's this selfish mindset. I'm polyamorous because this person does this for me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And that person does that for me.

[Matthew Hepner]

People do it even in a one on one marriage where it's just about, what am I getting from this person?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, good luck with that, dude. Where do you see that blow up?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What do you bring to the table?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. You're always going to. If that's your mindset, you're always going to be like, I'm doing more than you. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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Good God. What a. What a. What a horrifying statement. What do you. Or question. What do you bring to the table? Okay, so she's a conspiracy theorist and she likes Legend of Zelda. We spent many nights taking turns breath of the wild and grilling steaks. It sounds wonderful. Yeah, sounds like a homie. She had four kids, two boys, two girls, by two different baby daddies. Well, that's a bit of a. Whoa,

[Matthew Hepner]

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Two boys, two girls, by two different baby daddies.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it's not good. It was a few months into dating before I even met them, which I thought was a good move on her part. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. It's like, don't go introducing your children to everybody who. Like, a few months is a nice buffer if you're really serious. If you think you found somebody, you have kids from a previous relationship. Maybe things didn't work out. Don't go and fight in introducing them right away. I met my stepdad when I was a kid. The day I moved in with him would not recommend. Not good. Not good, bro. Okay, so red flag number one. Subverted.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, no, that's. That's at least red flag number two. There's still a red flag in there. Four kids, two boys, two girls by two different babies.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's a bit of a problem.

[Bubba Wallace]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She lived with her aunt and a guy named Matt without three T's. All right, well, I, I just for the audience's sake, we have bumped up the amount of T's in Matt's name. It is now a 5T minimum. And so we'll. We'll give. It's gonna take some time for the office to kind of come to terms with that. You know, you, You. You implement new policies. Takes time. So. But 5 Ts is the minimum now. Thank you guys very much. Who? So a different guy named Matt without three T's, who was a high functioning autistic fellow. Okay. She conspired and lied to me along with her aunt. Lied to me along with her aunt. That dude was creeping on her kids. Whoa, whoa. She conspired and lied to me.

[Matthew Hepner]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And her aunt.

[Matthew Hepner]

She and the aunt were like, yo, this autistic dude is making a move on her kids.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is that what's going on, kid? That's. Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's what he says. Dropping this now. Her and her aunt were actual gypsies. Just saying. That's fascinating. I knew gypsies and they had a fortune telling place and they were scamming everybody in the neighborhood out of money and they were wrangling the neighborhood kids to go and run scams for them. It was super crazy. So, like, one of them they did was they. They told a woman that she was. Kept coming over and over again, this. This dark shadow over my life. What you need to do is you need to take money and you need to take what was. It was like thousands of dollars. Put it inside a jar, fill the jar with ink, right? And then go to this place and bury it. They then sent the kids to tail her. And then when she buried it and left, the kids came, dug up the jar and then spent the rest of the evening washing all the bills off and hang drying them all over the house while doing cocaine. And the kids were like 12, 13 years old. She just had all these little neighborhood kids, or the gypsies had all these little neighborhood kids running moves for them and doing cocaine. They stole a bunch of Rolexes from the gypsies and one of them became one of my best friends. So she convinced me to let her and her kids move into my house, which, in my thinking, made sense.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, yeah, you got this giant house. I mean, that's the problem. Why do you have it?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Don't read the chat. Is that what's going on?

[Matthew Hepner]

No, no, no. I'm literally. This part of the story, it's like you have a giant house of four bedrooms. Yeah, that's why you don'. Giant house of four bedrooms.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You literally have a neck with four kids.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I guess you'd have to be in these particular circumstances to understand. I can see that. Yeah, yeah, I get it, I get it.

[Matthew Hepner]

For a few months, everything's great.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I'm reading the story. Stop that. Don't step on my toes when I'm reading the story. Okay? We agreed under very strict parameters we were going to do this show together.

[Matthew Hepner]

All right?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Because you know, I get upset. My story, dude.

[Ryan]

Okay,

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

For a few months, everything was great. It was the sense of family I yearned for. The kids were even doing better in school. She was keeping house and I was working hard and long.

[Matthew Hepner]

She was keeping her house?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, like keeping the house. She was doing lady stuff, which is nice. Then. Then the crazy ass argument started. Remember when I mentioned we talked conspiracies earlier she began arguing that Bill Gates is a great man.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's a red flag.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's kind of crazy. Who the can even who is remotely interested in conspiracies and is that

[Ryan]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

find something to fight about and it couldn't find.

[Matthew Hepner]

You know what, honey?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I love Bill Gates. He's great. This guy's working hard. He's got a. He's provided for trying to save humanity. It's really hard for me to find anything to argue about. That's so crazy, bro. Then we argued when I was cooking and put a lid on a pot of water to boil.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Dumbass tried to tell me putting a lid on it actually made the process slower.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's just a chick just looking for a fight.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. I mean if you're sealing something in steel 360 degrees, it's gonna heat up faster.

[Matthew Hepner]

This chick's just looking for a fight.

[Ryan]

Who knows?

[Matthew Hepner]

He might have said some mean stuff to her in the meanwhile, though.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He probably did. Dallas is a bit of a nasty guy. I'm sure he hit her a couple times.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The gas lighting begins every day I get home. For years, I place my phone, keys, wallet and pistol in particular places.

[Matthew Hepner]

Dang right. Otherwise you lose it. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The keys and wallet would get moved randomly, sometimes hidden entirely for small stretches of time. She tried to convince me I did and didn't do things with completely jumbled word salad that made no sense.

[Matthew Hepner]

Why is this stressing me out just to. I don't know. When I just hear this, it's just so stressful, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It is stressful.

[Matthew Hepner]

It is. It's like, so you always put your stuff on your nightstand and now all of a sudden it's ending up somewhere else. And some females like, yeah, no, you did that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's. It's the disruption to your place of peace. I always say, like, one of the things I'm most grateful for to God is my relationship. And that has spread out into my household, obviously.

[Ryan]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Because you make a household with the person you're relation to. My house is a place of peace. It is a place of peace, hands down. And I feel terrible when I read stories or I hear stories of people who. You come back from work and you want to just be in a place of peace and relax and recharge for the next day where you slave wage and you know, and it's not peaceful. In fact, it's. It's twisted and, and vindictive and, and argumentative and. And evil. Like, oh man, I'm very sorry to hear that. So the screaming started after this. Anytime we disagreed on anything, she'd start screaming at me. And when I'd say, there's no need for raising your voice, especially in front of the kids, she'd scream louder and say, I'm not screaming. You want to hear screaming? That's so cool. I like that.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I like when people are totally out of their minds. Every day it became worse and worse. We even got into it on Christmas because I didn't make it all about her. Well, Christmas is a made up holiday. And if it's gonna be made up holiday, it should be all about Christ. All right, it's not all about her. Do you think that's an okay thing?

[Matthew Hepner]

Doesn't have anything to do with Christmas.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, but you steal Christmas and you go, this is about Jesus now.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, you can, I guess.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it's just like a day where you go like, wow, what an awesome thing that's happened. How much does God love us? Jesus Christ paved the way for us.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, I don't know if I would associate December 25th with that, but I would associate December 25th with like a bunch of people coming home from like school. Like the kids who moved away.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's a bundt cake?

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It's some kind of like dense cake.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like a pound cake.

[Matthew Hepner]

I suppose. I don't know if it's that heavy,

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

but I do like a pound cake.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like where you're going with this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's just a delicious cake. It's. It's heavy, it's dense, got a good texture, good flavor, simple. It's not overly, you know, like ice. You get an iced one and that's pretty cool. You ever have a Yule log?

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like where you're going.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Just like a basic, like a big Swiss roll.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't even know what a Swiss roll is, dude. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, you're just, you have a, like a Little Debbie.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't eat that stuff. But okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like a rolled up.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it's chocolate covered and it's rolled and it's got like a white. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Twinkie, but it's chocolate. Yeah, I know what that is.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, but it's spiral.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So it's different than a Twinkie, but it's icing filled. But you make it bigger and then you cover it in icing. Yule log.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh yeah. Eat that. No, it's probably like all kinds of crazy stuff in it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

How can you eat that?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Flour, eggs, milk, sugar. You can make it.

[Matthew Hepner]

You're more into a blunt cake.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's not true. I haven't had a blunt in a long time. Actually I just realized I. I'm well over a year now of not smoking weed. I quit in May of last year.

[Matthew Hepner]

Really?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And so it's, it's officially what, a year?

[Matthew Hepner]

Why did you quit?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You just were like, because, dude, I would smoke and it would. Number one. It had me prisoner because I'm just a weak and. And I had been smoking for so long and it was just habit. It was such a brutal habit. Like I would go, I would. It was such a slippery slope for me. I'd be like, yeah, I'll smoke at night before bed. And then it would be like six, seven blunts a day. Like just real fast once too.

[Matthew Hepner]

The nicotine blunt.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Big fan of that.

[Matthew Hepner]

And then so then you had like the nicotine probably.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't know.

[Matthew Hepner]

You just came off all of it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Bubba Wallace]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

And no nicotine now. Like you don't do any kind of.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'll have a cigar. But you don't really inhale a cigar because you'll go to a place of suffering that you've never been to before. And so I don't. I don't really have any nicotine now. I don't think I really do well with nicotine. I've tried the pouches, and they make my tummy hurt. My tummy.

[Matthew Hepner]

You liked it with a little weed? Well, don't do that. Don't keep doing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I mean, like a blunt for me had no tobacco in it. Just the leaf, I guess you could say, right. Is the tobacco. But there's no. Like, I wouldn't half and half it

[Matthew Hepner]

or anything itself doesn't. The paper itself is nicotine?

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yes, I guess so. I don't know, but I thought it was. Some people do, like, mix it a little bit. They'll put, like, tobacco and weed in there. I used to have a dude that would buy weed from me and he'd be like, can you roll it for me? And I'd be like. And I'd put tobacco in there and chip his ass off. But yeah. Yeah, it's been. It's been a year and two months. One of the other reasons I stopped is because, like, the. I guess there's no other way to put it. The paranormal activity in my life would be escalated when I was, like, high at night. And also very interesting. This is interesting. I've never said this on the show. I'm gonna say this right real quick because this is a fascinating observation that I've made. I used to be able to go to a place in my mind and it looked like outer space. And when I say it looked like, it looked like it wasn't like I thought I saw stars and. And like twisting, wheeling galaxies and all kinds of a hundred percent I could see. There's no way around that. I could close my eyes. Spend some time focusing on one point in the dark behind your eyelids. Looking physically with your eyes behind your eyelids. And I could see sort of expanding and contracting colors. Almost like negative images, you know, like a negative image, like when it's like all the color has been turned into, like, black and white, basically, but it's inverted like a negative. You're just looking at me skeptically. So. And if I focus there long enough, it would open and I would go into it. And I'm telling you, this has been something I could do pretty much my whole life since like 17 years old. And the way it started is I was homeless and I was squatting in an abandoned house and I couldn't get to sleep. So I was just like, Looking behind my eyes for a long time and all sudden discovered. I know this sounds so. And I really can't find much precedent for this. This isn't something that I can find

[Matthew Hepner]

that people that don't have a job in a food forest.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is what you end up doing. Okay, can you listen to this story? And. And so I would go and. And it never led anywhere or did anything.

[Matthew Hepner]

It clearly did.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And you went there? No. Well, I mean, like, yeah, I went there, but it never amounted to anything. Wasn't like I ever saw some. So for 20 years, I never saw there. Except for Star to Space. Yeah. Yeah. And I got really good at it. So sometimes in the past, it would take a long time. That first night it took hours, which is insane.

[Matthew Hepner]

Isn't this called astral projecting or something like this?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't think so, because astral projecting, as far as I've heard, people go to a place and you're.

[Matthew Hepner]

I thought you were saying you did go to space.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Space is not a place. It's actually a lack of a place, isn't it?

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know. Are you a globe guy or a flat guy?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't want to get into that right now. I'm just saying it would be very easy after some time for me to get there. I get there in a couple of minutes. Like, that's how good I got at it. One day after I business, before I stopped smoking, I had heard something through the show that kind of made me feel like maybe I was illegally getting access to something, you know, like illegal access to the spirit realm kind of a deal. I prayed that if it wasn't of God, then like, please, Lord, take it away. If it's not something that you gave me, if it's not of you, if it comes from something else, I don't want it. I can't get back there anymore. And for a while I was like, maybe it's because I stopped smoking weed, which is a valid thought. But also I made a very specific prayer that I don't have access to that anymore. If it's not of God.

[Matthew Hepner]

But the.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But you sat down and tried since then. Yeah, and I cannot get there.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, you know, Nancy's got to take on this, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What do you think, Nance?

[Matthew Hepner]

Did she just turn her mic on to rip one? Because that's what that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It was like. Sounded like she just passed a bunch of air.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, it was like a very strange noise.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What was that noise? Was that you, Nance? Did you turn your mic on and say something?

[Matthew Hepner]

It literally went,

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

no, you didn't make any noise.

[Matthew Hepner]

She did.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The conversation stopped because I thought she said something.

[Matthew Hepner]

She did. Okay, Nancy, let's just pretend you didn't say anything or make any fart noises.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

38 minutes. 30.

[Matthew Hepner]

But that was weird. What's your take on this? Where Raven was going and.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. What do you think?

[Matthew Hepner]

Couldn't. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Drugs help with that?

[Bubba Wallace]

It's true.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It could just be the weed. It could just be the weed. Is it causation or correlation? Isn't always causation. I mean, the time where I made the prayer is directly overlapped with the time that I stopped smoking. But I heard something very recently about this idea of, like, God gives you gifts. There's gifts of the spirit, like the Holy Spirit, but then there are other gifts from other spirits that are not the Holy Spirit, and those are not good, and you can get rid of those. And I was like, dude, that sounds like the time that I. So I don't know.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know either, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, there has been times where I stopped smoking for a grip, and I could still go there. Can't go there anymore.

[Matthew Hepner]

And I'm like, don't want to go there anymore.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, I mean, yeah, there's no real purpose. I've.

[Matthew Hepner]

Too complicated. You get out there and then you come back on the show, and now you got to debate if it was really space or not space or it was made up or there was flat.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm still kind of bummed out about that idea that Timothy Alvarino's like, there's no. There's no spiritual realm. I'm like, I don't understand.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, he said God's a spirit, but there's no spiritual realm where God has to live somewhere.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Don't make me start this over, spirit. No, stop this. All right. He was just on Joe Rogan saying, basically, there's nothing spiritual about any of this.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, so did you watch the whole thing?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I just heard what people have said, and that's why I've not really commented.

[Matthew Hepner]

Very tried, dude. I really tried. It was like Kandahar Giant, like, right from the jump. And I was like, dude, this is so old, man. Like, that's we're doing. And then it went back and forth for, like, I don't know, six or seven minutes. And I was like, I. I will come back to this, but I can't watch this anymore.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Now he tries to. Like, he's.

[Matthew Hepner]

Then it was just like, I never came back to it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It was presented in my understanding as if it was like breaking news.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, that's so weird. It was like Canada hard giant. Like Joe Rogan. Never heard of that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't want to get dosed with acid. Okay, so worse yet, so Christmas. He didn't make Christmas all about her. She was upset about that. And that's his fault and I understand.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he should have.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Worse yet, at the point where she started going nuts, she'd already lived in my house for six months.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, yeah. Once they get their claws in, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. In Oklahoma, after six months of someone living at a place and receiving mail, they're illegal resident. This dude trying to figure some out.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, these chicks just know how to play the game, dude. I had a buddy that had a chick like this dude that just knows the game.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, not good, not good. So she waited for six months to expose herself after she was a legal tenant or resident. And you have to get the sheriff to evict them, which is a whole legal thing that could take a year. She even knew this fact and threw it in my face.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is so stressful.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Damn, dude. So she's like this parasitic predator almost.

[Matthew Hepner]

At that point, you just leave. You just say, okay, fine, take the place.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Take the place somewhere else. The this guy's got a four bedroom, two bathroom, he's living like a king,

[Matthew Hepner]

and a chick with her claws in them. I mean, I'm getting out of there, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Ah, touche. Moreover, at this point, it's winter. I'd have said the law. I'm kicking you out anyway. But I couldn't just kick kids out into the streets in the winter. Didn't even have a car at this point. After talking to the sheriff, he made it clear he had no interest in getting involved. Damn, bro. I dealt with utter hell. Oh, like cow tits.

[Matthew Hepner]

Good one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

For the next four months, the constant, and I mean constant screaming, keeping me up all night, trying to wear me down.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's one of the strategies of Satan, to wear out the scene.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I love my sleepies. I'd be mad.

[Matthew Hepner]

The utter trashing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, once again with the cow tits.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's not okay, dude. Like, that's the one thing that she should be doing if you're paying all the bills is like keeping up, keeping the house nice. Now she's trashing it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Not a single clean dish. All the dirty clothes stacked in the hallway. When I try to clean, she freaks out harder. Listening to her tell her kids she hates them.

[Matthew Hepner]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And the kids coming to me crying, oh, no.

[Matthew Hepner]

She's trying to create this bond between him and the kids. And she's even being the psycho to create it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then she's gonna dip on him.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, geez.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Have these kids. Damn. That's a. That's a quite, quite the plan she's hatched there.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I don't think she wants to leave.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You don't think so?

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, maybe you already read ahead. She does.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I didn't.

[Ryan]

No, no.

[Matthew Hepner]

She's just trying to make this bond between them where now he really can't get.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Trauma bond.

[Matthew Hepner]

Kids are bonded.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Trauma bonding. The time she tried to stab me in the neck with a pair of scissors. The time she went for my gun in a drawer. But a voice in my head told me to move it beforehand. Which when she realized it wasn't there, she looked at me like, oh, fuck. You know what I was going to do?

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, dude. Yeah. Leave her there and move somewhere else, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't understand why the law doesn't let you just. You know, like I would just be like, hey, Uppercut.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I'm sorry this didn't work out, but you can have the place. Dude. I can. I'm gonna do. I'm a grown man. I don't have anybody dependent on me.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, but then you gotta start over.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And you feel like she's just not gonna pay for it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, if you don't play pay for it. Then the kids are out on the street, so that's a bit of a problem. Also, you probably got like a job and stuff, so you got to stay local. So even if you do leave, like,

[Ryan]

where are you gonna go?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And you gotta lay low in an apartment. She also knows where you work.

[Matthew Hepner]

She's grabbing the gun.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Valid point. Overrides all those previous. I'm not even beginning to scratch the surface of what I endured with this psycho the night before. I eventually said it and forced her out at gunpoint.

[Matthew Hepner]

Good golly.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We'd argued from 7pm to 6. No, they like them together. Them. Both of them argued from 7 8pm to 6am That's a long time, bro. Almost hit 12 hours of arguing. Sometime early in the morning, I was like a switch flipped and she was talking like an honest little kid. She said I should kill her because she's a monster. She was almost back to normal for a bit and told me about how she was kidnapped at 15 and kept in a basement for six months.

[Matthew Hepner]

What is happening, bro?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She's got.

[Matthew Hepner]

I shouldn't be laughing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She's got demons, dog. 100, 100, 100. Then she flipped personalities again and told me she'd kill me in my sleep.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is madness, dude. This is madness, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's so crazy how a thing that happens to you like that age is very dangerous. 15, 16. A thing can happen to you and set you on a trajectory for the rest. I mean, that's really how it is. Just in general. Like all the way to childhood. Something can happen to you and just set you on this trajectory for the rest of your life. To the point where you're doing this because you were kidnapped. I mean, that's crazy. Kidnapped and kept in a basement for six months. I know.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm just saying, like, is all this true? I guess. I'm reading it. It's just like this crazy story. Just kind of like this plot. Like, the chick is crazy. How much of her background story is she making up? Like if they're having these conversations all night and then she just flip personalities and okay, I'm gonna kill you. I sleep. It's like, I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Are just crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But that level of. Because that's all spiritual. You're not doing that unless you got whispered in your ears. And every time I look at it, it's like, why?

[Bubba Wallace]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

How'd you get so much whispered in your ears, dog? Well, it all started when I was a child and I Was locked in a basement for six months. Like, you know, it's like something really horrifying happened and set you in this direction. I was talking to a dude today and he's having a rough go of it and he starts telling me this story and he's like, yeah, when I was. When I was 16, he pulled a cop's gun off the cop and held him at gunpoint.

[Matthew Hepner]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. Now his whole life has been one unfortunate series of events after another from that moment. That's a felony. Right. So he can't a job, he can't be steady. And his girlfriend's doing this and she's crazy and she's cheating on him and she's telling people that he's a bad guy and guys are coming to. Yeah, it's like.

[Matthew Hepner]

I guess I forget how crazy that world is.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. And it's. It, you know, all from some that happened when you were a kid. Yeah, very crazy. So she flipped personalities again. Told me she'd kill me in my sleep. That. That morning my sister came by and offered to start cleaning. Psycho threatened her as soon as my sister touched her.

[Matthew Hepner]

This. I. I don't know. Like. Like, I don't. You're saying like 10 of these things and I'm already out the door.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, you know, there is a part of it. Dallas is a dangerous. I think I know the type. We attract people that are like us, right?

[Matthew Hepner]

You do especially.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, you do too. You've been through all kinds of.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm just saying, like, when you show up at a place to ride go karts and you're like, yeah, strange.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All the black kids show.

[Matthew Hepner]

Two buses showed up. What a coincidence. Everywhere I go. What a coincidence.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, I don't know. I don't think. Everywhere I go, I go.

[Matthew Hepner]

I'm choosing places that I go to

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

the same place as you go. I go here.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I go to the go karting.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, that's. I mean, you boring.

[Matthew Hepner]

And later in the gym is the only two places we go in common.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, you probably go to Walmart. You go to Walmart.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, I go to Walmart a little bit, but not after 9:00pm you probably go after 9:00pm dude, no.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What, are you kidding me?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm asleep. I'm asleep at that.

[Matthew Hepner]

I guess you forget that is where you would meet these kind of people, actually.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Walmart after 9:00pm yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. Every girlfriend I had before my wife tried to reenact trauma with me. And when I refused to Play along. She dumped me. Praise God. Praise God indeed. Fj.

[Matthew Hepner]

Fool. You know, it's normal chicks at my.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

My wife wants a. My wife. Wait, where's the button for that? Doused in.

[Matthew Hepner]

Not that one. Not that one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Huh. Maybe it's this one.

[Matthew Hepner]

There's just a lot of crazy chicks out there, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Do you ever get these?

[Matthew Hepner]

Were the dudes crazy?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And it was stinky. And it was stinky. Shout out to Craig.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Do we ever get these? Were the dudes crazy? I mean, yeah, Red Hoodie was a story about a schizophrenic dude. Basically, we get them, but women. Women, I think, are more susceptible to influence from the spiritual realm. We were talking about this yesterday, right?

[Matthew Hepner]

The female. Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So, like, men are hunkered down with the material because they've got to operate within it.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And women are like a kite, you know, where like, a dude is standing in the material. A woman is tethered to the material, but kind of floating around in the spiritual. And I think they're much more easily influenced, which is.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Why this sort of thing happens. Okay, so she threatened to beat my sister as soon as she touched her. So I called my homie TJ in for a favor. Now, TJ was a big black dude that had no qualms with striking women and was eager to do so.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's what I'm saying. This is like a real story.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's not what it says. So he calls TJ in for a favor, and then it says. Not what I just said, but it says he was there within 10 minutes, sat down with a.45 in his lap. Okay. As I commanded her to leave. TJ is black. Okay, Dude, I just made a joke that just turned in. It just is exactly what.

[Ryan]

Whoa.

[Matthew Hepner]

Look, read the rest of it like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So TJ is black, and her liberal, nutty MK Ultra alter couldn't argue with a black man. Right? Right. Oh, because she's liberal and she's. Oh, that's so funny. I got her an Uber to go and stay with her dumbass kids, though. Yeah, what happened to them kids? Tj, My sister. And then it's so funny that I just made that joke. And then it's exactly what happened. TJ sister and I spent the next eight hours packing all their shit and shoving it into bags. Rented a U Haul and dumped it all off at her ex husband's shed. Here's where gets more creepy one. For weeks prior to me giving her the boot, she spent days coloring in one of those adult crackhead coloring Books filled with occult. Yeah. That's interesting. So there's a lot of adult coloring books now with these really complex mandalas and like that. It's all like occult Buddhist symbolism. But because it's so intricate, there's a lot of places to color and you get lost in this kind of ritual, right?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Shapes almost even like spirals.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yes. And you're just. You're just manically filling it all in. Hyper focus.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Syndrome when I was growing up and she loved coloring in, like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I like coloring.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't think she had any of the occult ones.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But when was the last time you colored anything

[Matthew Hepner]

like colored in a color coloring book?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like a coloring book?

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't remember.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, you, you have older kids, so. You know, my son only a few years ago would have whatever, a Super Mario coloring you coloring. And he'd want me to do one.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then I would do it and I'd be like this crush.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, that's true. Jess was doing coloring books for a

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

while, but they're fun.

[Matthew Hepner]

None of the occult stuff. She's into that though. Puzzles. Like coloring books? Yeah. She hasn't done it for a while.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Cindy wants to get into. Into puzzles, which is just such a girl thing. I think I'm gonna get into puzzles.

[Matthew Hepner]

Dude. They're cheap. Like, and Jess probably has a pile of them if she wants. Awesome.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Dude, I think I'm gonna get into puzzles.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, it's like a chill thing, dude. It's a vibe for chicks.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's that, Nance?

[Matthew Hepner]

They're fun.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Such women things, right, Panda? I'm coloring right now is what Panda just said. Yeah. Puzzles.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You don't like coloring, Nancy? That's not for you. Not since I was a kid.

[Matthew Hepner]

Sorry about that. Go ahead, Nancy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, you should be sorry about that.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's what I'm saying. Have you. Why don't you try picking up coloring, Nance?

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[Matthew Hepner]

What do you think the topics would be like, what would be like if she went through like a coloring book section of like an aisle? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Cryptids. Paranoid American has a Cryptid coloring book. He probably is actually going to have it at Bro Grove. Nancy's not coming to Burrow Grove.

[Matthew Hepner]

Jess just wanted to get off the phone. That was her thing to just be it off the phone.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, I mean, I thought you meant like. I, I really. I can't talk right now.

[Bubba Wallace]

I gotta.

[Matthew Hepner]

She would come home and then it would just be like, you just. I don't like it happens to me, too. Like, if I'm go. Even for work, I'll go to get an email.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I hate it.

[Matthew Hepner]

And I check my text and I check my missed calls, and then I'm like, well, I'll just check the Instagram. Because even at my old job, I had Instagram for the job or whatever. Don't you know, you're locked in? But she would be on it. She's like, I just don't want this anymore. And I'm tired of seeing these things on Instagram and say, remember how easy and simple life was in the 90s? Remember how simple?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's so funny to be honest and say that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. No. And Jess was like. Like, I feel like a hypocrite. Like, I see those and I go, oh, yeah. It was so simple. And then I play on my phone. She's like, I'm done with this. And that's when she switched to, like, puzzles and coloring. And she always did nails. She, you know, like, she'll chill and.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, the little. In getting lost in, like, those little things. Yeah, dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

I think the scrolling, especially, like, that movement, is very addictive. That's why they have it on the. When you do the casino, when you do the slot machine, it's. That's the same movement you're doing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm in a similar place where I. I need something to work on, you know, like, with my hands. Like, even Top has this thing where he's like. He's making signs. Like, that's a cool creative process, right? You're cutting these things out, and then you're assembling them, and you're putting this thing together and painting.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's basically the equivalent of, like, a man 100 years ago. Whittling wood. Yeah. On the porch.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

My cousin took up whittling wood.

[Matthew Hepner]

Top is like a 2026 version of that he's just doing with this machine and me creating, like, crazy.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He keeps, like, taking pictures of the things he's making, but he keeps catching his bare feet in the picture. And I don't like seeing that. Yeah. I'm like, those are your feet. Those look like your father's feet.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, you got.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's crazy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Have a thing in the earth that's a physical thing. Like. Yeah, you gotta have the spiritual thing. You got to be in the word of God. Yeah. You got to have a food forest or whittling wood or some guys work on their car. Like, whatever it is. You've got to have, like, a thing in the natural.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, that's what I want. I want, like, an old car to work on with my son. But it's annoying, man, because even anything that's cool and old, that's, like, you know, old. I'm getting air quotes here. Like. Like 90s, early 2000s is still, like, if it moves, if it moves, if it runs, at least it's gonna cost you, like, five to $7,000. And I'm like, I don't want to do that. And then I look at, like, some of the motorcycles, and I'm like, I could buy something that moves and then could work on it with my son and only spend, like, $2,000. But then my wife's like, you shouldn't have a motorcycle because you could die. Which is kind of valid, but I don't think I drive. I've never been in an accident. I don't drive, like, an at all. So I don't think that would happen. But it's hard to convince my wife that. Definitely seeing some hairless upper thigh. No, there's. I got a. A great deal of hair on. On these things. You know, it just doesn't look. So I called my big black friend. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay, so a few weeks prior to me giving her the boot, she spent days coloring in one of those crackhead coloring books full of a cult. My sister picked up the book, and the psycho had just. Just finished a page that featured Medusa. Whoa, whoa. Everyone's hair stood up. Whatever that demonic thing is, it's real, and I'm convinced she was possessed by it. Medusa being the. The entity.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Look at it. You turn to a black concrete.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Pretty much, yeah. So Dallas wrote in so early in the show, you know, back when Chronicles was first starting as number five, he said, and it was about this entity that looked like Medusa.

[Matthew Hepner]

And so this chick's been coloring one, and everybody, not just Alice, it seems like everybody. Yeah. Oh, something's not right here.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So that was point number one. Point number two as to why gets more creepy is a few days later, her oldest son, who was 15 and I taught guitar to, pops up and tells me he didn't want to say anything before, but he had come home to their apartment, and blood was all over the walls. Turned out she stabbed her second ex husband in the neck with scissors, and she was trying to do that to him. Damn dog. And number three. Yo, Exile. Exile's life is looking pretty simple right now, bro.

[Matthew Hepner]

Exile looking like, hey, uncle daddy or whatever I'm supposed to call you. Exactly. Sure. What our Relationship is. But just so you know, mommy stabbed their second ex husband in the neck.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And I came home and the walls were covered in blood.

[Matthew Hepner]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And he goes, that sounds like maybe what she was trying to do.

[Matthew Hepner]

So you think all these are real?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, I do. Maybe I'm just a gullible retard, but I. I do think they're real. So point number three as to why she gets more creepy. I talked to her parents in Boston a couple of times over video call and they gave me the creepiest feeling. Seemed like they were 100 fake actors just doing a role. Hard to describe.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's creepy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's weird. That's very weird, man. Uncle Daddy. Dallas could be the name of this episode, by the way. Anyway, this has gone on long enough. That's the most basic Cliff notes on things I experienced during that year of hell. Made me appreciate relatively normal, loving people 1000 fold.

[Matthew Hepner]

I could see that, that I'm profoundly

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

proud of you guys and everything you're doing for so many reasons. God bless. No, you.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, so that's a real story. It's just very hard for me to like hear that and not be like, oh, it's just like, they should make a movie about that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, man, it does. It does kind of read like a horror story, huh? And the way it escalates too. And then the black guy gets involved. I mean, it's. It's got all the elements.

[Matthew Hepner]

You know what's just so strange is like you've got this female that's just. I don't know how recently, but somewhat recently has stabbed her second ex husband. She's got two kids, so I guess the 15 year old, if he's the oldest, that wasn't his dad. So she stabs the second ex husband. So she sees, but he's got another ex husband. Who knows what happened there. She's got the four kids and she's. She's like capable of stabbing and all this crazy stuff that we've read this whole time. Yeah, but somehow in the beginning she came off normal.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She comes off super. No, that's what I'm saying. So that's that chameleon thing, right?

[Ryan]

Like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like when I met my wife, she never pretended to be. Remember I told you I had that dream?

[Matthew Hepner]

You got to know people's family. You got to know, like, not just the kids. I mean, that's a wild scenario. But you got to find out who's the mom, the dad. Yeah, the sisters.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I had that dream recently that I think was, you Know, it was indicative of witchcraft. Indicative. And there was something that was posing as my wife. And. And immediately I was confused because I was like, my wife doesn't care about video games. Like this. This woman's pretending to care about video games. I couldn't see her, but I kind of, like, rationalized it.

[Ryan]

Like, I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I guess she's trying to be relatable, you know, to. To me or something like that. You're talking about in a dream I had.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, got it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And so. So that's how strange it was. Like, my wife never tried to pretend to. She was never mean about it, but she would never be like, oh, yeah, let's sit down and play Xbox.

[Matthew Hepner]

Pretend to give a crap either, but I'd rather have that than like, hell yeah. And you won't like it, but I

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

want to know who you are so I can tell if I like you.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, in the fall in Florida, it's nice to lay around on Sunday and watch football and, like, not do anything. And you almost don't even care about the football game.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

After a while, your wife seems like she'd be knitting.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, but I'm saying she figured out that she loved that time because me and the kids would be chilling on Sundays that day. Started baking. She started cooking. Oh, hey. Just like all kinds of buffalo dips.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And so she'd latch on to, like, a thing that we liked, but she didn't actually like it or pretend.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But she could still be a part of the vibe.

[Matthew Hepner]

Doesn't like football, but she likes fall respect.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that. I mean. Yeah, she pretended to be. I mean, she's. She had. In this story I'm talking about, she had nefarious intentions. From the gate. Given everything that unfolds throughout the story, from the beginning, she was weaving a web to trap a woman.

[Matthew Hepner]

So crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's wild. That's wild. You thought dating was complicated, just like, on its own. Like, bro, you never know with a

[Matthew Hepner]

chick who stabbed her second ex husband in the neck with scissors and is

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

possessed potentially by the spirit of a gorgon that has been haunting you since you were a kid.

[Matthew Hepner]

The dating scene is crazy, bro. Yeah, but I guess when you're older, it's like, yeah, why are these people available? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And it gets worse and worse. And. And I don't know. I mean, maybe this goes for dudes, too. You got to ask yourself why you're available.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right? Because it either you never had somebody. Doesn't sound like that for most people, but you weren't able to work it out, like, whatever it was. Like, Jess always says she hates when she meets divorced people and they go, oh, we're best friends now. Then Jess is so crazy. Why aren't you still married? That's so crazy that you're not still married.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't like when people go like, oh, yeah, like, we just fell out of love.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like, I'm like, nobody cares. That requires work, dog. That requires, like, it's like a garden. There's tending. You have to keep, like, going back and making sure that this is good.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

You don't just break the covenant.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah, we don't love each other anymore. Like, that's crazy. I hate that. I hate that. I. I can't. Yeah. The other thing that you said too, though, being divorced and now you're best friends. Oh, me and my ex are best friends? What?

[Matthew Hepner]

Then get married, then go back to being married.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

My wife's my best friend. We're married. What the happened here?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We just fell out of love.

[Matthew Hepner]

Just really hates that she has no. She's like, yeah, that's not okay. If you can stand to be room, then you should be married still.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. We got into a weird place with. With. With marriage.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. It's just like, what am I getting? I could get something better somewhere else. That's what it comes down to.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Subliminal messenger says Raven. Marriage classes I don't need. I don't know what to like, if I had to give advice. It's like, yo, be easy. Yeah, be easy. Like, don't be so hard to get along with.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Just be somebody that can, like, go with the flow and have a good time.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Let roll off your shoulders. It's not worth it. You know, like, this argument over this stupid thing is never worth it outside of, like, somebody cheating or something like that. Like, dude, the. The. The things that, you know, this guy, he's telling these stories and they're arguing over a bunch of things. Hold on, let me see what the hell it was because he said at some point, oh, yeah, arguing about Bill Gates. That's the funniest in the world. But, like, yeah. How many people are out there in relationships that are like, oh, it was a. It was a dish. The dish that I. I left out. And then it drove us to a giant argument or this and that. It's like, dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, not to say that doesn't happen. You get in an argument.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, no.

[Matthew Hepner]

But towards that. And then you find A thing to start fighting about. But then it's like, hey, here was the real thing I was pissed about from last week.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And whatever it is, it's not worth, like, getting to the point where you're screaming and, you know, like. Like, I'm not saying you don't get there. You have a relationship. You're with somebody for your entire life, you're gonna end up yelling at each other and. But there's got to be that thing in your head that goes, whoa, stop. This has gone far enough. Yeah, this has gone far enough. Maybe.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, maybe there was a pressure release valve that you needed to, like, yell, get mad about it, but then you got to come back around and go, yeah, what are we doing here again? Yeah, what are we doing?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And I do think as long as, like, if you're gonna do something, make it structured, right? So, like, yeah, women should be hit, and you should do that in a controlled environment.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, what?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But, like, never do it when you're angry. Just set aside time. Say, like, once a month. Once a month, I hit you. No, once a month, I hit you. But not when I'm all worked up.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I don't like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And not when we're. Not when there's really something to argue about. But it's just once a month I hit you. You know, just so you remember how strong I am, how weak and frail you are. You know, we put aside one. One day a month. One day a month where, like, you know, maybe you get a. Like a running head start, and I count to 30, and then I catch up and I hit you, and it's not too bad.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But you never do that when you're angry, free.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You never do that when you're crazy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is that, like, people let it get so bad, and then they're like, but I'll marry again, and none of these things will happen.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So stupid.

[Matthew Hepner]

But also this time, I'm gonna have all of the baggage of my previous. I'm gonna have to deal with whatever these marriage issues are. Again, with the baggage of an ax.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

And with your baggage of an ax and who knows, the kids and everything else.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm just saying.

[Matthew Hepner]

But I'll bet it'll be better if I go there. It's like, nah, man. You just got to figure out how to work it out.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm. I'm a big advocate for a little bit of time aside. Who.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

I'm I'm the same Z man. Just like with kids. Never spank them in the heat of the moment. I never spank my kids.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

Down first.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then. And then. And then beat their ass. When you're, like, in a good mood.

[Matthew Hepner]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When everybody's cool. When everybody's cool. That's when you do the. There's this. There's a season for everything, right?

[Matthew Hepner]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So once a month, make it a game. Make it fun. Like, okay, I'm gonna get you. You gotta run. But when I catch you, I'm gonna beat your ass really bad. It's not gonna be good. It's gonna be bad. My. All right. So who's that? That was Dallas. Thank you, Dallas. Thank you for writing in. Dallas is integral part of the operation here now. And now he's submitted two fantastic stories. So who are you going?

[Matthew Hepner]

That was pretty good.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Good.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, in a bad way or bad. In a good way?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, whatever you want.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's a fascinating story. So we have Derek, I think. Yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I like the way you said that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Derek. Derek. Let's see what that is. Oh, it's just one big. It's one big thing. With no. With no.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, Derek.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Right, Derek. Let's read. Let's read. Derek. What do you guys think? Are you into the idea of as long as you're not angry, you beat your wife, and as long as she's not angry, too, she has to also be not angry. You kind of like you. You wait for, like, an opportune moment

[Matthew Hepner]

where spirits are up and then just start smacking.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't know if you smack. I don't know if it should be face stuff. Probably not face stuff because you don't want to lose attraction when you see her all, like, bruised up and dinged up in the face.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I would say hit her in the body and hit her in places where it's not going to be so evident to you later on. You know, if you're trying to get intimate, have marital relations, and then you got to look at, like, these big bruises and stuff. The bottom of the feet, I hear, is a great place to get hit with objects and then not really have that show up later on.

[Matthew Hepner]

What? Okay, I'll read this one. It's short.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

What's happening, fellas?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's happening with you, Derek?

[Matthew Hepner]

This is the first time.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, wait, we definitely doxxed him. No, you're not supposed to.

[Matthew Hepner]

If you send your name on there, you clearly want that to be.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's his last name? I already said it before.

[Matthew Hepner]

Why? What do you think, Nancy?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She just wants me to dox him. She loves when people get doxed.

[Matthew Hepner]

What's happening, fellas?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I don't.

[Matthew Hepner]

And, Nancy, this is the first time I've committed this to writing in tbh. This is a real chronicle.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is two. That means to be honest.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's not, like a marijuana substance.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's thc.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And this is to be honest.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. Every word is true. All right. I like that up front because. Yeah, you almost like the last one because it didn't say that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You guys, if it's a real story, you got us. From now on, let us know. If that. It's a real story, Tell us that at the jump, please.

[Matthew Hepner]

Every word is true, and it's insane, but I'm not insane. Just so you know. Okay? I'm a raver who indulges in rave drugs. Okay, That's. That's currently Red flag.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm. That's a. That's a current tense. That's a present tense.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, even if it's past, it's still. Oh, no, no. This looks like it is present.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

But even if it's passed, that's a bad combo. Chiefly ketamine and molly. Okay, I don't know much about molly.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I've done my fair share of molly. It's.

[Ryan]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, it's ecstasy. It's ecstasy without the surprise. Or less of a surprise, because ecstasy, you don't know what they pressed into the pill.

[Matthew Hepner]

But Molly is the same.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like, it's mdma, which. I don't know what that acronym stands for, but that's okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. So we just called MDMA Ecstasy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, well, ecstasy is mdma plus who knows what else is in it pressed into that pill. Yeah, I used to get red apples and yellow dolphins.

[Matthew Hepner]

Huh?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Triple stack.

[Matthew Hepner]

No comment.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

OG with triple stack. G's up, hose down. Okay, that was another one that I

[Matthew Hepner]

used to get that sound.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You guys, somebody in the chat knows what I just said.

[Matthew Hepner]

Chiefly ketamine, which is Special K, and Molly, which is ecstasy. K mostly. And dances at badass shows I started two years ago. Anyways. Geez, can we get the bad music?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

[Matthew Hepner]

This just sounds like a story.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is crazy, bro.

[Matthew Hepner]

There we go. I started two years ago.

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[Matthew Hepner]

Anyways, a year and a half ago this storyline started. I was attacked by a demonic entity. Although I didn't know it at that time. I don't know why you're laughing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm just like, he. So wait, how long ago was he attacked by a demonic entity?

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, the storyline.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

A year and a half ago.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then. But he's like. To this day, I still rave super hard.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right. Don't you think you drop the rave party if. Right, yeah. I'd be like, okay, let's get out of that. Although I didn't know it at that time, I was meditating down in my room after doing K and taking these new vitamins I had gotten from Amazon.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, these aren't bad. These aren't vitamins. But Ormus. Lion's mane. She legit.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, that's.

[Matthew Hepner]

She legit is like a lion's man is really good for focus. I don't know what Ormus is, but she Legit is like a.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

She legit.

[Matthew Hepner]

I think it's like some kind of. Almost like. I don't know why I'm thinking this, but it's like the SAP from a tree.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Waxy leakage.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's something. I don't know. Apparently this was not good quality because 30 minutes afterwards, I was struck by this feeling of absolute fear and that something was terribly wrong. Yeah, I don't know if it's the vitamins, dog. I open my eyes and went up to stand up when I noticed two things simultaneously. First, my picture by the door of the alchemical Great work. I don't know what that is.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The alchemical.

[Ryan]

The.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The opus. What is it? Opus Mundus. With the Great work. The alchemical great work. This. What are you doing, dog? Derek, Are you a. Are you a listener of this show?

[Matthew Hepner]

Get out of the game, Derek.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is insane.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, anyway, that Great work was face down on the ground. Second, lingering in the air. Right beside it was a disturbance in the air. Like nipples in the middle of water.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, that says ripples.

[Matthew Hepner]

That says ripples.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, hold on a second.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like ripples in the middle of water. That's Sketchesaurus Red. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

If I see that, I'm like, yeah, like a shimmery.

[Matthew Hepner]

I jumped to stand up when the ripples began to spiral forward towards me. While it moved forward, a sound, a truly satanic, demonic sound, like musical notes being played backwards emitted from it and I was pushed back into my corner cabinet. I'm a very. Not religious necessarily. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm a very. Not religious necessarily, but a godly man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Which God, then? Yeah, which God is. The thing is you. You can't just aim at the amorphous, undefined God of the universe. This is what everybody who's in the new age does is they aim. They believe in God because they have experiences, but they're not willing to define them, certainly not within the Christian context. And so they're just pulling their arrow back and letting one rip into the void.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Where anything just comes along and goes, I'll be your God.

[Matthew Hepner]

Specifically, meditation is exactly that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Eastern style meditation is like just open yourself up and then whatever wants to come in can.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Whereas, like, you think, just think about Derek. I want you to listen to these words. In the spiritual realm, do you think that there is not something there that would gladly pretend to be your God?

[Matthew Hepner]

This is your wheelhouse, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's a. It's almost wild to hear because. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

To hear them say these things. He's doing these things and then he's like, yeah, but I'm a worshiper of God. It's like, well, that's not consistent.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But you're not going to define them. You're not going to call them by name. You're not going to.

[Matthew Hepner]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Actually flesh this out.

[Matthew Hepner]

And that lifestyle is not consistent with knowing the true God.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There are a lot of things out there that will gladly be your God.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, But a godly man. I worship God. I pray every day, several times.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But once again, to what, bro? To what? There's all kinds of out there, all kinds of out there that will gladly stand in God's place.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, that's why we meditate on the word of God.

[Bubba Wallace]

Like.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like if we don't ever, in the Christian realm, just meditate, like an Eastern style meditation, just open ourselves up to whatever. We meditate on the word of God.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

God, man.

[Matthew Hepner]

Pray every day. Several times I shouted for God and begged him to help me out. Then I was struck by a thought. This is a spiritual attack. Okay, he's on it. Yeah, he's the sharp one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Your alchemical, your opus mundus or whatever was face down in the ground and you got shoved into the cabinet by an unseen force, and you needed something to whisper to you that this is a spiritual attack.

[Matthew Hepner]

I rebuked this unclean spirit, Rushed upstairs, drank nearly a gallon of water at. At once and force myself to vomit the vitamins up. I don't think it was vitamins.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You're telling me you're doing Molly and

[Matthew Hepner]

ketamine, but Annie's been in this state of meditation, and you're.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They're like. It's the vitamins. The lion's mane in the jacket. What's it called?

[Matthew Hepner]

I was meditating down in my room after doing K and taking these new vitamins.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, okay, okay. But you did.

[Matthew Hepner]

What does the vitamins have to do with anything, bro?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This has got to be somebody with us.

[Matthew Hepner]

It is, man. Rushed upstairs drinking a gallon of water, forced to vomit the vitamins. At this time, I thought it was just the bad vitamins.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's so silly.

[Matthew Hepner]

Then I played. Then I played in my lady's chest and weathered the storm, so to speak. I don't know what that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't like even that expression.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You played in your lady's chest. You did what now?

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, he's just saying he hooked up with his wife.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. It also doesn't strike me as married, but I love the idea that you did ketamine meditated. All of a sudden, something falls off the wall and is face down in the ground, and you get shoved into a thing, and then all of a sudden, you have a notion it's a spiritual attack, and you go, better throw up these vitamins. Way too much B12 in my system, bro. Gotta get rid of this B12. Holy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Then I played in my lady's chest. Chest and weather storms.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What the does that mean?

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Nancy, can you look up ladies chest? I don't know how to. How you. I'm not gonna do that.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could see. I could see how that would be bad.

[Ryan]

Maybe.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Maybe he's talking about his girlfriend at the time.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. He's saying, like, yeah, I was trying to weather the storm. Like, I figured I'd just, you know, chill out with the female.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So you just laid down on her chest. Maybe that's what he. Oh, oh, oh.

[Matthew Hepner]

Laid.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Laid in my lady's chest.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It says played, but that's got to be a typo.

[Matthew Hepner]

And if she took him in, was like, nah, honey, it's Cool. Just lay here. It was a long night and my head was pulsing with strange visions. Alien and so dark. Yeah. I saw characters in a different language.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Enochian pictures of aliens and demonic entities.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Funny how they always go hand in hand.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, I see. It was one of the worst nights of my life. Life. I was sick for three days after this. Anyways, this was just the beginning.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Anywho.

[Matthew Hepner]

And this is all culminated into a physical altercation with the demon last weekend. This was written on July 19th, so this is like two weeks ago. That. That must. Okay, but that is the story I really wanted to tell you, but I wanted to set the table, so to speak. Hit me back if you read this and want the rest of the story.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Look, I. I don't want you to be discouraged by my mocking you, Derek and I would be very interested in hearing the second, but that's what this

[Matthew Hepner]

show is about, is mocking people. Right?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is an insane inability to connect dots. Dots in a very obvious dots. You know what I mean? Like, you've been handed a connect the dots child's worksheet, and it's literally a smiley face. And you cannot put together what's happening here.

[Matthew Hepner]

Here.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is not a complex connect the dots assignment. This is you're illegally entering the spiritual realm and praying to a God that you will not define and therefore anything is willing to step in. Take the worship and. I mean, you're just filling up your cup with iniquity, homie. Where you going? Where are you going right now? Unbelievable. In the middle of a show. Are you going poopy? This guy's gotta go poop. Unbelievable. Wow. Which one is me? Okay, that one's me. And it's the vitamins. Derek. Derek, it's the vitamins. That's

[Ryan]

man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then I feel bad. I feel like I'm an. For scolding you this way. You go by Dare Bear on your email. Are you. Are you a bear? Are you a. An Owen enjoyer? I thought you guys were smart. What is going on? I don't think you are. This is crazy. This. This email feels like it comes out of left field. Like this cannot be a listener of the show.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, I mean, hit us. Hit us back, Derek. I want to hear what happens next. I. I hope you hear what I'm saying. And you don't. You don't recoil at the crass tone that I have. And you realize that I'm giving criticism through a filter. And that filter is like, people should know. I'm blown away. I'm blown Away by. This is wild. It's wild to me that you can't connect this. Oh, look who's back. Look who's a professional who's going to come and do a show. That was a fast poop. Yeah, he did push a poop out real fast.

[Matthew Hepner]

So, Derek, Vitamins, dog.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

If there could be the vitamins.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right, well, thank you, Derek, Rick and I hope to hear back from you. Hopefully you don't die. Let's do Mike Robertson. I just doxed you big time. So I'm gonna read this. It goes.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hello, Top and David and Mat with four T's. That's good. He's not got the memo. That's gone out to the rest of the employees. But it is five T's now. The minimum is five T's. But that's okay, Mike. We got. We'll have a grace period of a couple of weeks before everybody really gets that. And Nancy, say hi, Nance.

[Matthew Hepner]

Hi. Annie did put three wise on Nancy, so I like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Just a one Y. Nancy gets a one Y. I love NDs and straight Bible. Please don't ever stop. Okay, fine. My story isn't insane, but it speaks to the power of God and it's definitely paranormal.

[Matthew Hepner]

I feel like I'm gonna like this one better.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, the last one was frustrating. It started off. I started off rather as a. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Matthew Hepner]

We read this before.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Did we?

[Matthew Hepner]

Is it Metalhead?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. Richard Dawkins. I remember him saying something about Richard Dawkins. I don't know why that wasn't.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, that one wasn't highlighted.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That wasn't. Okay, so we're actually gonna move on

[Matthew Hepner]

to Damien is the next one that's highlighted. Highlighted.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is that true?

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, you got Roger, but that one's not highlighted. And then Damien's highlighted.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, cool. So this is Damien. I can't dox you because I can't even pronounce that last name. The title is Near Death experience at about 12 years old. Changing A tire. Short story. Feels like that could be a long story if you really wanted to be. Okay, so I'm listening to Chronicles right now, and y' all reminded me of a time I almost died when I was about 11 or 12.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So me and my mother and two sisters were traveling to see my cousins in Arkansas. What a silly word Arkansas is.

[Matthew Hepner]

Arkansas is really how it should be pronounced.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I don't know where all the. The W comes from. About a six to seven hour round trip. Oh, no, just trip. Doesn't say round trip. I added that we would visit them probably at least once a year. So the trip was going like any other when we got a flat tire. I feel like it was early evening and I remember the highway was busy, but we were about to pull to the side and all was well and good. Okay, cool.

[Ryan]

That's good.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We had a spare, so my mom wasn't too stressed. She took it as a learning moment and she told my sisters to stay in the car and told me to come and help her get the spare on.

[Matthew Hepner]

Damn. That's a good mom, dude. Yeah, that's just a rough thing of like. Like a mom but no dad there, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You black. We put the jack under the car.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm just asking, what if he is? Then I'm right.

[Matthew Hepner]

What if he's mixed?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm still right.

[Matthew Hepner]

So the only way you're wrong is if it's two white parents. And what does it matter?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Just for data purposes.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know, he's just collecting patterns.

[Matthew Hepner]

Let's see if he's in the chat. He'll let us know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So come and help me put this bear around. We put the jack under the car and got it lifted. I can't remember exactly why, but my mom had me get under the car to look at it for something that's dangerous. If you don't have jack stands on the road and you just have a jack, depending on the type. If it's like a scissor jack, don't get under that thing, bro. Because if it rolls, if you don't have the tires chopped, docked, you're gonna end up taking car to the chest. I can't remember exactly why it sounded

[Matthew Hepner]

like, exactly what it sounded like, what it sounded like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But I hear a voice. I feel like it was my mom just saying, calling to me. So I slid out from under the car. I asked my mom what she was calling me for because we were the only ones outside the car. She said she hadn't called Me at all. And as I was about to slide back under the car, the jack collapsed and the car slammed into the ground. My sisters hop out and are telling what happened. What happened. Okay, they're telling it. I don't remember how we got back on the road. Probably called aaa. I didn't think about it much at the time. I'm surprised it didn't shake me up more, but I'm pretty sure I would have been done for if I was under that car.

[Matthew Hepner]

Car.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I wasn't born again until I was 16, almost 17. So usually when I think back on this day, my conclusion is that God was the one who called me out from under the car. That's a fair conclusion. That's really all the story shout out to you guys. Nds and Straight Bible are some of the best stuff on the Net. Thank you, Damien. Brother Damien feels like an old dude because he called it the Net.

[Matthew Hepner]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, Not. I definitely don't think people call it the Net.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's a young guy, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Maybe in his heart.

[Matthew Hepner]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, Matt calls it the Net, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I don't. I call it the Internet.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, dude, you call it the Net. Oh, my God. I've never called it dude. Netgear, Netscape. I remember those old. I don't know what they would be. Email platforms.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. That's cool, though. He hears a voice.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Voice?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, it's the only voice that would have made sense. His mom. It's just him and his mom. So he's like, yeah, mom, what's up? She's like, no, I didn't say anything.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then the car collapses underneath it.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, it just reminds you of, like, Samuel when he's there and Eli is the priest. And Eli's become incredibly corrupted. And Samuel hears the voice of Eli calling him at night. He comes to Eli and says, yeah, what's up? And he goes, what do you mean, what's up? You say, yeah, you called me. He said, no, I didn't. Go back to bed.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Bed.

[Matthew Hepner]

Second time it happens. He comes back, says, hey, what happened? He said, dude, go back to bed.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's either the second or the third time he says. Eli says, okay, dude, I see what's happening now. God's calling you. It just sounds like my voice because I'm like a spiritual father to you, if you will.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So that's interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's talking in my voice. So when he does that, say, here I am, Lord. What do you want to talk about? And then he does that, and then Samuel, because I think it says in Samuel's day that there was, like, no open vision in that time. Like, God wasn't really, like, dealing directly with prophets. And then Samuel know starts it. Like, it starts with Samuel. But yeah. So it's interesting when, like, the voice of God comes in through a parent's voice.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That is interesting. What, did you make a noise just now?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I just remembered that happened to Bella when she was little. This is cr. I just remembered this right now. She was super little.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

We lived in the Fruitland park house. And I was doing something in the front yard, and she was, like, playing with stuff in the front yard, too. And she goes, who's coming back? And I was, like, just working and stuff. And I looked at her, I said, what? She goes, who's coming back? And I said, I don't know. She goes, who's coming back? And I said, I don't know. Who's coming back? What are you talking about? And she goes, I heard you say he's coming back. And I said, you just heard me say he's coming back. And she goes, yeah. And I was like, like, okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Could be schizophrenia, too. Oh, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's not. That's definitely not the case with Bella. I appreciate your insight, though, Nancy. It's not always, like, appreciated, but it's whatever. But I just, like, left it alone and was like, oh, that's cool. But she heard her dad's voice saying, he's coming back.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. And she was always in, like, Bible stuff, too, when she was little. We were always talking Bible stuff. So I don't. I don't know, but I told you I had that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That dream recently where I was debating Albarino.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, jeez.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Nightmare. No, it was actually, like, I was. It was crushing. Things were fantastic. And he was trying to cut me off, and I was finishing my thought.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's a nightmare.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And the thought was just the same. Annoying. I say all the time on this show, which is the correlating data points between demonic encounters and alien encounters, the overlap. And when I got that out, one of the judges who was there listening to what we were saying.

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you mean, judges?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There's, like, judges. It was like a panel of people,

[Matthew Hepner]

like, you're on American, like, TV show where they have, like, Dancing in the Stars or whatever, and they, like, judge it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, it was like a mixture of, like. I guess my eyes were partly open in my room, so it's kind of like my room, which is just, you know, whatever.

[Matthew Hepner]

But there's judges in the room and they're like, I give them a nine.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, judges who are 0.5, I guess there's. There's judges, right? On debates. I don't really know. I haven't watched a debate.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's your dream. Like, what was it?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So there's like, like a couple of people that are hearing the argument at a table sort of. She like one of them gets up and comes over to me and is like, oh my God, I know exactly what you're saying. This, that, and the other thing, like affirming what I'm saying. And I'm like, bingo, you get it. And there's just this big. And he's getting drown out out. He can't. He's like basically like, ah, I just got butt clapped. And me and this judge are like high fiving like, hell yeah, dude, you know exactly what I'm talking about. So it's fun. It was good.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's it. In the dream.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

But you were like winning the debate.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah,

[Bubba Wallace]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't know what to make of that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You don't have to make anything.

[Matthew Hepner]

Who's reading the next one?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That one was short, so if you want to read one, one. Who, who was that? That was you. Oh, look, the next one's actually about Albarino, but we're not going to read that. That's something different. Okay, so. Oh, I want to read this one. What's this?

[Matthew Hepner]

The next one's hgtv. Holly.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hell yeah, dude. Holly's the homie. I'm reading this. Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh yeah. Thanks for a second.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is awesome. By the way, proper number of T's hgtv. Holly.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is a thing we gotta click on.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

On. Yeah, it's a little bit different. All you do is click on it. It's gonna be.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, I love when they put the three or four Y's behind.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Anthony never does that. But we do have five T's in Matt. Google Docs, five T's in Matt. That makes me feel like this. Thank you, hgtv. Holly. So she says, hey, Top Raven, Matt and Nancy, question mark. It's fair to. To address Nancy. That's fine. I'm back. Thanks for giving me a second chance. Just gonna start by saying I've been listening to NDS for two years and since around April, NDS and Straight Bible are the only two podcasts I with anymore. Y' all are the ones riding the truth train in my opinion. Enough ass kissing, you could probably do little bit more. It's fine.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, do a little more here it

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

goes written with no drugs and no AI. All right, 10 points for HGTV. Holly.

[Matthew Hepner]

So HGTV. Holly really was going hard for the drugs, and now she's off.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I think. I think that's more of a reference

[Matthew Hepner]

to how crazy your first one was about describing the house.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, some of the other submissions we get where they're clearly maybe either using AI or they're on drugs, so it says cancer demons.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, she's a Tampa chick. I didn't know that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Tampon chick. That's. Why would you say that?

[Matthew Hepner]

No Tampa.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, I guess all women are. Well, I guess there's probably pad chicks, too.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, we're talking about Tampa.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, like the geographical location.

[Matthew Hepner]

Bingo.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Not the. Thus the menstrual blood sponge. No, in June 2019, after. After six years of living a complete scumbag lifestyle in Tampa.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, it happens in that area, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it does. I had reached the end of my prodigal. Prodigal. Prodigal. Prodigal. Prodigal prodigy Sun Days.

[Matthew Hepner]

She's a female, but she still goes by the prodigal son prodigy ghoul. It's like males go by the bride of daughter days. Okay. Ran out of money.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I ran out of money. My lease was ending, and my mom told me it was time for me to move home.

[Matthew Hepner]

This sounds like a country song.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it does. So I tucked my tail between my legs and accepted the fact that at 24 years old, I was moving back in with my parents like a total loser. That's okay, Holly. I did the same thing at 23. I had been out of the house since, like, 16, and then I came back for two to three months, and it was not great. My parents had sold my father's haunted house with many rooms. You know the one? Yes, we do do. Yes, we do. I can see the entire layout in my mind's eye. I don't know if that's astral projecting, if I've done that, illegally entered that realm, but if so, I repent. We were living on the beach now. Or at the beach now. Don't worry, this floor plan isn't important. And literally, as soon as I pulled into their driveway to live with them, my ears started ringing. Ringing. It was so annoying. Just a constant high pitched ring that never stopped. My mom kept insisting it was allergies and I just needed to take the Claritin. The. The Claritin. But it didn't do.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, I'm sure you can trust that thing was designed.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It didn't do exactly so Weeks pass and the ringing in my ears gets worse. Oh, damn. What's the. There's a terminology for that. When you have ringing in your ears, it's called nepotism. Oh, tinnitus. Hell yeah. I knew it. See, Nancy knows that these are things that women suffer from.

[Matthew Hepner]

Huh?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I know what tinnitus is because I've heard my wife be like,

[Matthew Hepner]

what?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yes, you do? No, I don't, you woman. Yes, I had a boyfriend who had it because he fired his gun without his earplugs.

[Matthew Hepner]

Boyfriend.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

See? Tinfoil Tiara's got it. She's also a woman. So weeks pass and the ringing in my ears gets worse. My parents are silent nighters. Okay? So they keep a pitch black house when they sleep with no fans, no noise machines, no tv. Etc. So in all of that silence at night, all I had was the obnoxious ringing in my ear here. At one point, I started hearing a faint whispering through the ringing noise, but it wasn't anything I could make out in English. Oh, it's interesting. It's almost like your brain is creating its own white noise. Sometimes these things speak to white noise.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wait, you know what?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They never speak through black noise.

[Matthew Hepner]

Stop.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know what black noise is?

[Matthew Hepner]

Do you sleep with a fan or a thing?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I do. Be binaural, beat downing myself.

[Matthew Hepner]

You don't sleep in, like, silent lip?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, because every little noise that happens wakes me up. So unless I have something that's like baseline. Yeah, I do. Earplugs. A lot. A lot.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. But if you don't have earplugs, you have to have another noise that drowns

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

out the smaller noises. Okay, so that could be anything at all. Fan cats in the next room just jumping down off the counter onto the ground. Like, I'll hear their paws hit the ground and I'll like, pop open. I don't know why that is. I'm sure if I trained myself, I could get used to it. And in the event where there is no white noise and I don't have earplugs, I fare fine enough, but. So I started hearing this faint whispering sound. Couldn't discern anything in English, and the whispering always sounded like it was coming from the corner of the bedroom. That's a bummer.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Some nights, right before I would fall asleep, a surge would hit me and I'd feel, like through the ringing in my right ear. Feel like through the ringing in my right ear. I was getting downloads straight into my brain of all this information about Angels, demons, and the truth about the world. But I'd never remember any of it when I'd wake up the next day. This happened almost nightly. That is fascinating.

[Matthew Hepner]

We're always dealing with crazy people.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hell yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, I like it too. It's just so.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, this is why I'm willing to make the trade Off. Off for. They smell. They do smell. But, like, look how fun they are. Yeah, but they do smell.

[Matthew Hepner]

And you feel like these folks when they get the gospel, they're like, yeah, I'm in.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't want to play any games. I don't want to pretend. I don't want to, like, do the whole thing. Hey, be blessed. Like, I'm in. Stinky for life.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Stinky. But they get it and they're fun. One night in particular, I heard this whispering in the corner of the bedroom and was used to it at the. At this point, as I usually.

[Matthew Hepner]

You ever get to the point where you're just used to it? You're like, oh, yeah, that's just the thing that whispers in the corner. It's no big deal.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Sparrow, stinky. Oh, yeah. Dumbass. He came in here, he was stinky, too. I remember that time. So, yeah, he probably shouldn't get used to it, but you get used to anything. Human beings are, you know, fascinating in that way. We can get used to a lot of.

[Matthew Hepner]

There was a story about Smith Wigglesworth where he woke up.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm sorry, who?

[Matthew Hepner]

Smith Wigglesworth. You know him? Dude, he rolled over.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is he the host of a children's learning cartoon?

[Matthew Hepner]

He was like a legit man of God from England, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Smith Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Moved in, like, signs and wonders. You actually should read some of his stuff, dude. You'd probably very much like his stories, Dude. Healing, casting out demons.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I will never read a book by a man called Smith.

[Matthew Hepner]

Plumber. He was a plumber. He was like a legit dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What a silly name.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wouldn't. Wouldn't allow a newspaper in his home. He's like, no, no, you're not bringing like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Not to Mr. Wigglesworth's house.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Mr. Wigglesworth. You guys should do.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, children. Wigglesworth.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Dude, are you ready to sing the Mr. Wigglesworth song?

[Matthew Hepner]

People in the chat should Google Smith Wigglesworth.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't think that's a real thing.

[Matthew Hepner]

Pull it up.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No.

[Matthew Hepner]

Why not?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Because it's fake.

[Matthew Hepner]

We got 30 minutes.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, I. Mr. Wigglesworth. And you're Mr. Wigglesworth, and we're all here together. To learn with Mr. Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Anyway, he rolled over one day, said he saw Satan and went, oh, it's just you. And went back. Oh, no.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm sorry to wake you from your slumber, Mr. Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, mock him. Somebody's gonna Google and be like, oh, damn, Matt.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What a dumb. What a dumb name to have.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's really rude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What a dumb Mr. Smith Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, play your game.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What is. That's a stupid. Is this the man? That's Mr. Wigglesworth. What a hilarious looking.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, Soviet blap knows. Is that it, Nancy? It's just.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you think?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What do you want him to do? The children's song and dance?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. John G. Lake, too. There we go.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's just fun. Mr. Wigglesworth Sounds like a name for a ferret.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, dude, he goes. He goes hard, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Blue blog says Mr. Wigglesworth sounds like a name for a ferret. That's so true. That. That's so true. That's so funny, dude.

[Matthew Hepner]

Wigglesworth used to go hard, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Imagine being banished to, you know, in the name of Christ by a dude named Mr. Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Imagine doing spiritual battle. You look Mr. Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, yeah, you don't want that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Doing spiritual battle with a dude named Mr. Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

You don't want that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I do like the idea that Jesus would make one of his most. Most potent spiritual warriors. A dude named Mr. Wigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

He crushed dude. I mean, he's like a hundred years ago, but he crushed, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right. So one night in particular, I hear this whispering from the corner of the bedroom. And I was used to it at this point, as I usually did. I tried to ignore it and go to sleep. But all of a sudden, the whispering got closer and closer, as if it was slowly slithering from the corner up onto the bottom of the bed head and across the comforter towards my still ringing right ear.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And once it got close enough, the words, I'm Mr. Wigglesworth, you're Mr. Wigglesworth

[Matthew Hepner]

together.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The camera's really blurry on Matt.

[Matthew Hepner]

Good.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The camera, when it pans on Matt, it's all blurry.

[Matthew Hepner]

Let's see it. I see it panting over here. Well, why are you screwing with it, Nancy? There you go.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's the spirit of Mr. Wigglesworth was fucking it up. Okay, so it got closer and closer, slithering to my right ear. My eyes were closed. I was not going to open them and risk seeing a demon. But when the whispering Got up on the bed. I can tell that it was for sure some other language. Possibly Enochian. See, this is why HGTV Holly crushes in comparison to Derek, who says, what did he say? When I was doing drugs, I could see all kinds of different languages and shit like that. And I said Enochian, like jokingly. But then all of a sudden we come to this one and HGTV Holly, she's like.

[Matthew Hepner]

She's got skin in the game, dude. So this is not like a haunted house. She's at some brand new house and it's doing this. It's like whatever this is, it's like her that's bringing it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So possibly whispering Anokian or some kind of ancient chanting. And the whisper slowly slithered up to my pillow.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then it stopped completely. Then suddenly, right into my ringing ear, I hear an old woman shout a full bodied, deep, guttural. You okay?

[Matthew Hepner]

This is a joke now. There's no way that's serious.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I believe Holly. That's crazy as hell. My heart was slamming into my chest as I shot upright and opened my eyes. But of course the room was empty. That definitely freaked me out the most out of all of these weird experiences around this time. Dude, that's crazy as hell.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You just, you just, just look. You take two fingers. What are you doing?

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like, take two fingers.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You put them on the little pad and you just.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I'm saying it says, could not preview the file. There was a problem loading this page. When I get to the second page. Did you get to the second page?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm on the second page.

[Matthew Hepner]

Whatever.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Just doesn't know how to use a.

[Matthew Hepner]

Holly, you're not crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No. Like crazy in the. In the cool way.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, you are crazy in the cool way.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Mr. Wigglesworth. Will you be my Mr. Wigglesworth? Come along, children. Let's go on an adventure with Mr. Wigglesworth. My heart was slamming into my chest as I shot upright and opened my eyes. But of course, the room was empty. That definitely freaked me out. I read that Already. So after these few creepy months, August 2019. Now I find out I had thyroid cancer on the right side of my thyroid gland. I had tons of other weird symptoms, and like Raven, I just knew it was cancer. Went to the doctor and was like, hey, doc, I know I have cancer. They did a biopsy and scheduled the surgery. Remove a lump or remove the lump a week later. Okay, Banger. It's. It's nice when it goes fast like that. You just got to get it done. Coincidentally, as soon as they removed the cancer from the right side of my neck, the ringing in my right ear was gone. No more demons whispering or late night downloads.

[Matthew Hepner]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Everything that had been tormenting me for months just magically disappeared. My voice also disappeared from some vocal cord damage during the surgery, but thankfully came back after four months.

[Matthew Hepner]

Whoa. She had no voice for four months? Or just messed up voice for four months?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, man, your husband must have been pumped. But then after a while, the crazy dream started happening. I've got three in particular that are especially wild, but since this is my chance at redemption, I'll save them for another time.

[Matthew Hepner]

You, this. No, this one's good, but this is great.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Just keep this story super short. Thanks for giving me another chance. Also, all THC products are evil, and I blame them for what fueled my HGTV entry. That's so funny. They also called Heart Pro, caused heart problems, and one hell of a hospital bill. I praise the Lord that as I Type this, I'm 53 days off of the THC sodas, vapes and gummies. My longest stretch was 90 days back in 2021. So keep me in your prayers. Dude, that's so cool, Holly, because I was just talking about how. What a quanky dink.

[Matthew Hepner]

Does Holly still live in Tampa?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I don't think so.

[Matthew Hepner]

She moved to like Arkansas or something.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Our Kansas. I'm not sure, but if you caught Holly, I think you just showed up. Earlier on in the episode. I was talking about how I'm two months past a year of no weed. No weed. And how that was a really big moment for me. So, yeah, dude, praying for you. 53 days. You're like way over the hump. I. I used to say it takes. It's interesting because the same way I said this, my grandma used to say it takes three days, I think for chocolate to get out of your system. Because my like a sparrow sensitive.

[Matthew Hepner]

She says maybe you're doing a little much much.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, that's.

[Matthew Hepner]

She's like, hey, there's nothing wrong with weed. Maybe you just overd.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, people don't. I'm not saying Sparrow does this. It just, you know, made me remember something when I posted about not smoking weed anymore and being pumped about it. A lot of people popped up in the comments and were like, there's nothing wrong with weed. It'd be way cooler if you still smoked weed. I'm like, I don't. I think everybody's got their thing. Thing. Yeah, that's not good for them. And weed was definitely one of my things. And yes, thank you, Sparrow. That's a good point. It is called 14 months. I am 14 months not smoking weed. Hey, 60 days sober today. Back to my point that I was trying to make before I got distracted. Takes about five days for the really brutal cravings for weed. And that's really all they are.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's not like Sparrow doesn't do the weed correction.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

I just thought the way she worded it that it was like, like, oh,

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

maybe she's a big weed fan. Everybody knows that about Sparrow. Sparrow's a big fan of weed.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, she's.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's something that we've learned about her through all of the. By the way, Sparrow, See, this is the thing. You're never in the. In the Bible studies on Wednesday nights, and Sparrow's in there all the time asking banger questions.

[Matthew Hepner]

She crushes with the question, by the

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

way, we're gonna have another one.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, I don't want to sabotage the Bible study everybody's already vibing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You just show up and listen and you go, wow, what an awesome thing.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't have the. Whatever the thing is, you guys watch it on or whatever. Whatever. Dick cord.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So the next one, by the way, this coming Wednesday. So that's tomorrow, right? Yeah, tomorrow the study is going to be on. Give me one second here, and I'll read it to you and you guys will go, wow, that's interesting. I'm scrolling, scrolling and I'm vamping and I'm vamping and I'm trying to find the post. It's going to be about sex.

[Matthew Hepner]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, but like in a. In a biblical. You know, like biblical sexual sex.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, like Adam and Eve just doing their thing in the garden or what a marriage is supposed to look like. Husbands love your wife as Christ loved the church and was willing to die for sex.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Marriage. Well, yeah, that's what marriage. That's what the marriage covenant is.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's gonna be about.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, you're making it sound crude, but yeah, that's. The marriage covenant is part A goes inside, part B. Like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's.

[Matthew Hepner]

Can't do that anywhere else anyway. Else.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Penis and vagina. This Wednesday. Wednesday night. Come and listen.

[Ryan]

Wait.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is there anybody gonna say what it really is?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It is. It's about sex. Doggy style?

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

No. That's not what they're talking about.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's gonna come up. It's gonna be asked. We're gonna ask about it.

[Matthew Hepner]

All right, I'm reading the next one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, we got time for one more, and then it's. It's time to get out here.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, I gotta be out here in 18. Wow.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is good, man. I'm glad you stuck around with me. It's fun. It's. Isn't it fun? Thanks for doing that.

[Matthew Hepner]

I know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Ran away. Top of. He was like, I can't do it. I got this guy's name. I think he has diarrhea. The next person. Matthew. Myth.

[Matthew Hepner]

No, I'm already reading.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is cool. Don't read his last name. It's not myth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Hello, I'm Matt.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

This is a true account of my one and only sleep paralysis incident.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Wait, wait, read the title.

[Matthew Hepner]

Sleep paralysis. Mantis experience. Like a praying mantis.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Ooh, Mantis experience. Wait, does that say mantis or mantis?

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, yes. Biblical marriage.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Mant.

[Matthew Hepner]

There's a true account of my one and only sleep paralysis incident that also brought me into contact with the mantis being. Because that's one of the aliens.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, with the cowl. That's actually Timothy Alberino's favorite.

[Matthew Hepner]

Around 2019, I became acquainted with a woman.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Dude, wait. One? Just one?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, but is it always this, dude? It's like the dudes find a chick and then, boom, we're going to crazy town.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know what, man? I'm glad that our female audience gets it so much because they know this is just data chunking and. Yeah, you're seeing patterns.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And I say often, like, it seems like especially around divorce, that's a big spiritual battlefield, and a lot happens to people around divorce.

[Matthew Hepner]

Well, look at the age, too. A woman who's a few years older than me. At the time, I was 30 and she was 42.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Damn, dog. That's.

[Matthew Hepner]

Females go. They get the hormone thing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

And they get a little wild, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Titties dry up and they get the. No more blood.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. I don't. I don't know about all that. I don't like what you're doing with the glasses, but I'm just saying, they get the hormonal Changes. Yeah. And they're like, no, you don't understand. Which I'm like, yeah, you're probably right. I don't understand the whole like bleeding out from like very sensitive body parts once a month either.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They store it in their.

[Matthew Hepner]

Does seem like crazy. But that's why you should be around to help and guide through that time period and keep everybody cool, keep everybody sane. But you take a man out, you

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

need a man to come over and say, hey, calm down.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Yeah. Everything's calm down, everything's good. We're not going anywhere. Everything's cool.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah. You're acting like your mother.

[Matthew Hepner]

Don't you don't say that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

One night we went back to her place after having a few drinks at the bar.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, bro.

[Matthew Hepner]

We fooled around in bed and eventually settled down to sleep.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Whoa. Was this biblical sex?

[Matthew Hepner]

I think he says they were married.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh no, he just is acquainted.

[Ryan]

Damn.

[Matthew Hepner]

During pillow talk, she began to describe how she has recently overcome a fight with cancer.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Cancer is another like, dude. I'm thinking like cancer is a spiritual ailment.

[Matthew Hepner]

It's got to be. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Cuz it's like it, it, it's mysterious

[Matthew Hepner]

to say that all the weird stuff in our food system, that your body's constantly detoxing all the time. If that doesn't send your body into overdrive, I would bet that could have something to do with it too.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Maybe yours.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay. During pillow talk recently over can fight with cancer, she talked about praying and meditating and becoming very spiritual.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Man, talk about themes, huh?

[Matthew Hepner]

Crap.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's the matter? You good? You mess it all up, huh?

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't want to talk about it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Guys, we're gonna stay quiet until he talks.

[Matthew Hepner]

She has recently overgoing fight with cancer. She talked about praying and meditating and become very spiritual compared to earlier in life. Okay, now a detailed.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Wait, but did you see that right there, right? Spiritual meditation. It's all there once again, right? Praying. Right, but you're praying and, and you're becoming spiritual, which is that. That sentence means praying to an amorphous, undefined God.

[Matthew Hepner]

You key in on this stuff quick. Dude, not so much, but like this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

An amorphous, undefined God.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, yeah. And now I'm more spiritual.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Spiritual. Stinky.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, that's just saying like in America where everything's based on materialism. Now I'm aware of spiritual things like. Okay, well, which is. Which means I'm welcome to the arena

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

and I'm ready to worship. Worship what? I don't know. I don't think I'm going to define it. I think, you know, God is everything

[Matthew Hepner]

and everybody with the glasses.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like, God is everything in everybody.

[Matthew Hepner]

Now detailed to note, though I'm not sure how key it is. I met her through a friend who didn't want to take up her offer to get drinks that night. So.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So your friend was like, I ain't really trying to with this, but maybe you are.

[Matthew Hepner]

I met her through a friend who didn't want to take up her offer to get drinks that night for some reason.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, her offer. Okay, so this is just like a girl little, like a scissoring, kind of a scissor scissors.

[Matthew Hepner]

I met her through a man friend.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. So the man friend was like, I'm not trying to.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, you take her. For some reason he told me to go instead of him, but I know deep down he was jealous or simply insecure. Oh. I never intended for us to share any intimacy together. I wanted to have drinks. But after talking and feeling her vibe, the attraction was there.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Don't feel her vibe.

[Matthew Hepner]

Even if it's one of those short term flings. She was really into me and at least spending a few nights together. This almost sounds like a more like, normal person.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is a normal person American.

[Matthew Hepner]

That's just in the business culture. This is like a thing you would see on the road.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He's like, I don't care that your. Your titties are all dried up and you got the clots in your butt and so you don't bleed no more. Whatever menopause means.

[Matthew Hepner]

But I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I like you.

[Matthew Hepner]

I mean, do we call this normal? Because, like, that's not normal either. It's just like boning down outside of marriage, and it's just like America. This is more American business model normal.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

When you get menopause, your titties stop bleeding.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like what you're saying. Why that backstory matters is because at one point during the night, I felt. Felt a little guilty that he probably wanted to be in my position and have at least hooked up with her.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What, like missionary?

[Matthew Hepner]

Even though he said he didn't care, deep down I felt bad that his anxiety kept him from taking the opportunity to spend the night with her. This is a weird one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But why is he doing that? Like, why is he like, oh, I really want to be with this chick, but I'm gonna tell you to be with this chick, and then when you get with her, I'm gonna be sad.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, this is where it gets weird. I had a sudden Violent waking dream where I thought he was outside her window, screaming and trying to get inside to kill me. Okay, maybe he's not that normal.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

It was a short dream, but I felt shook by it. When I woke up, it was around 4:00am, maybe a little closer to 3:33. And she was still beside me, sound asleep.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, Donkey.

[Matthew Hepner]

Luckily, I didn't disturb her. But upon trying to fall back asleep, I found myself in another form of waking dream. But this time I could tell it was different. After years of psychedelic experience, I can tell the difference between a dream, lucid dream and astral projection. Projection. I don't know why he directed that at Nancy. I knew I was in my astral body. My physical was totally paralyzed. But I wasn't inside the body at all. It took a few seconds to accept what I was seeing above me.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

As I looked up in my astral body, I could clearly see a tall mantis being standing over me. Now, the mantis is not to the side, but as it was standing right in the middle of my body. No physical being could stand through me as it was.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay, that's interesting. So it's like. It's. It's like it's standing like you're a plus sign.

[Matthew Hepner]

He's like, dominating him.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I mean, like, he's standing through his body.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that. Yeah, I was curious. Sure.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Mr. Nigglesworth.

[Matthew Hepner]

Slightly terrified. I couldn't discern totally what it was trying to communicate to me. There was no psychic thoughts or any real communication, but simply the fact that it wanted to. Wanted me to acknowledge its presence. Like a dog keeping you in check about the fact that you're on their territory. Huh. This domain was under control of this mantis, and it wanted to get my attention. That I was totally powerless to this being. It's like a dog that's just, like, on you and is like, yeah, dominating. You're gonna pet me? You're gonna acknowledge me like I'm here? Yeah. I went into a mental fog and into sleep, likely forced upon me by the mantis. And when I awoke hours later, I felt as if I had taken the fastest LSD trip of my life.

[Ryan]

Life.

[Matthew Hepner]

I was left spiritually numb and confused. Huh. Well, you can't just hook up with random chicks.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, especially when they reach a certain age, too. If they're not married, they're almost certainly going to become a crone. And I mean that in the witchcraft sense, not just in the. The tits stop bleeding in the.

[Matthew Hepner]

What do you mean crone like a crone.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's the. It's the latter stage of a witch. So you have the. The maiden, the mother, and the crone. That's the three stages of. Of which life.

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that. By Sancho's Wigglesworth.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We've already addressed mantis. Raven's got some mantids. Hey, I've been losing weight, Sancho.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah, he has, you stupid. It's been a journey for all of us.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't want you to look like since you cut your hair. How about that?

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, I want to hear the rest. The of to this, though I said nothing to the woman and the one or two other times I stayed there, I never had an issue again. I don't know if I'd be hanging out there again, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, no, not after the. The mantis.

[Matthew Hepner]

Mantis dominating them. But it wasn't until a few years later that I began to think deeper about what happened. My only conclusion so far, after talking to another woman I became close to soon after, who was a practitioner of raki.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Matthew Hepner]

And quite spiritually advanced. She described a mantis healing her hip in the astral some time ago. Good God, Doubtful.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Good God, no. They'll. They'll do stuff. They'll heal things because they want to perform, you know, miracles that are temporary. I bet you if you ask that since then she'd be like, well, my hip does hurt. It did come back. This is always temporary healings. They do that to perform miracles to gain your favor so that you'll evangelize on behalf of them.

[Matthew Hepner]

Okay, okay, okay. My theory so far is that the mantis was a guardian of the older woman who had cancer. And perhaps my chaotic dream disturbed the tranquility of the woman home. And this mantis wanted to basically scold me like a child, albeit by paralyzing my physical body, taking me into my astral body, and scaring the living daylights out of me.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I really don't think that this person watches at all the show.

[Matthew Hepner]

Just a lot, isn't it? It's like, wait, he's out called. What did you think? That was a lot right there.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Christmas.

[Matthew Hepner]

I hope you find this story fascinating. Well, you're not gonna fascinate the Raven, I can tell you that right now.

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's a million. We've seen a million of these.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. I have many more experiences as a writer. Oh, as a writer. Oh, I thought this was real. That lean into the supernatural, such as my first memory being an o out of body experience at 10 months old. And he remembered it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, you kind of remember some stuff if there was some trauma.

[Matthew Hepner]

Oh, here we go. I can be found mainly on YouTube and Instagram.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, boy.

[Matthew Hepner]

Where I share spoken word visual stories and dabble in comedy sketches. Currently, I'm almost finished writing a serial story about a character I invented that battles the supernatural and gnostic forces with humor and cosmic horror. Throne in. I t out the character the damn saint.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Interesting, interesting, interesting. So, you know, there's a lot of teachable moments here that I. I was hoping I would hear some. Now, I understand this to be a deceptive and demonic entity. Now, I understand that the Raiki woman is, you know, dabbling in spiritual principles that she has no right. Right to, and so these things have access to her. Now I understand that the temporary healing of her hip is an inversion of the miracles of Jesus Christ, meant to galvanize someone to the entity and therefore more willing to evangelize on behalf of it. There's so many things here that I think seem.

[Matthew Hepner]

Fj. Was that a lot today?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's that? With who? Softcore porn.

[Matthew Hepner]

What? Watch your mouth. He said, was this LA dropping plugs again? Why did he plug a little bit?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It took a while.

[Ryan]

Let me tell you.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We had Austin the other day, God bless him.

[Matthew Hepner]

Like, if he's like, hey, bro, I'm 75 years old and, like, you've been podcasting for, what, three months? Yeah, I'll come on your show, but I'm gonna plug my stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Hell, yeah, he's gonna plug his stuff.

[Matthew Hepner]

Do it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And all his stuff is.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, God bless Israel.

[Matthew Hepner]

And he's done it for, like, so long.

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What?

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Look, I'm just saying, he's been in

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Right, right, right. But from where I'm sitting, as a dispensationalist, I just want you to know what that means. God bless Israel. Okay,

[Matthew Hepner]

I don't like that. I don't like that. No, I don't like any of that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Which one?

[Matthew Hepner]

Just the whole, like, the whole story. To talk about this topic. Well, you got to be in this camp or that camp.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

This is funny, too. He goes like, my. The so far is that the mantis was a guardian of the older woman. I'm like, no, the mantis is an attachment. It's a demonic spirit that is attached to the older woman because she has created Iniquity by practicing divination.

[Matthew Hepner]

Is he. Is that Mantis definitely attached to that chick? Or is it just a Mantis that hangs out in that territory?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Maybe he just likes hanging around. Maybe they're in a relationship. Maybe they're. Maybe they're doing doggy style.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, this is good. Yeah. Familiar spirit. Tinfoil.

[Matthew Hepner]

I wonder why. Sparrow says that sometimes the camps are necessary.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Camps?

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Like, you gotta be in a camp. Like, you gotta. You can't just say, well, I'm reading through scripture and I'm understanding things. And I think this about. This and this about. I think it's interesting they don't all line up up with one camp.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I think it's interesting to pass through a camp.

[Ryan]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like a work camp, like, with wooden doors and stuff.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

If the camp has a pool. If the camp is baking cookies and the camp has how many ovens and how many cookies can it bake at a top time?

[Matthew Hepner]

Stop it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. I think there could be use in the camps. Like, I imagine if you were. Were some Christian nomad and you were passing through and you said, I'm gonna spend some time with the Pentecostals.

[Matthew Hepner]

Yeah. Amen.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And I'm gonna see, like, what's good.

[Matthew Hepner]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And then I'm gonna go and I'm gonna spend some time with the Orthodox. Yeah.

[Matthew Hepner]

Church of God. We've been to all of them. But I'm just saying, I would never be like, oh, yeah, I'm in this camp, I believe. Because then, like we were saying earlier is like. Like, then you gay, you see? Then you gay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Uk.

[Matthew Hepner]

Then you say, I'm in this camp, but I differ from them on this, this and that. It's like, then don't say you're in that camp. Just say, hey, I'm a human. Yeah. Here's how I think about stuff. Yeah. Some of it maybe lines up with this group. Some of it maybe lines up with that group. But I'm mad. Like, I'm just a human.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There was like, a camp of, like, Christian mantis creatures. We go stop by, see what's up. What you guys doing over here? Here. What do you know? Oh, that's interesting.

[Matthew Hepner]

You're lucky I don't have the button to end this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What about, like a Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Matthew Hepner]

A hoe. A ho. Jehovah's Witness.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Ryan]

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