Retarded Obedience to God w/ James Williams of Dark Waters

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad: "Retarded Obedience to God" w/ James Williams of Dark Waters

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad
Hosts: David Lee Corbo (“The Raven”) & Top Lobsta
Guest: James Williams (aka Dark Waters)
Date: July 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

This engaging and deeply spiritual episode invites renowned storyteller James Williams of Dark Waters to discuss “retarded obedience” to God, spiritual warfare, and building generational faith. Blending humor, candid testimony, and biblical depth, the hosts and guest explore the real dangers of dabbling in the supernatural without a Christ-centered perspective, the nature of spiritual transactions, and the practicalities of building righteous legacies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. James Williams’ Background & The Courts of Heaven Book

[03:44 – 09:40]

• James introduces his work:
  • Known for authentic, signed paranormal and cryptid encounter stories rooted in the rich spiritual traditions of New Orleans.
  • Website: iamjameswilliams.com houses his catalog, including prayers and his new book, How to Get Victory in the Courts of Heaven.
  • Book aims to teach strategic, scriptural prayer for breakthrough.
• Transition from paranormal to spiritual warfare:
  • After years of collecting real stories, James noticed patterns: generational sin (alcoholism, abuse, trauma) often correlates with supernatural encounters.
  • Realization: “This don’t make no sense. This is spiritual.” (09:07 – D)
• Testimony:
  • Tells story of a woman plagued by generational curses and supernatural torment—led him to deeper biblical study and to recognize Jesus as the solution, not just the phenomena.
• Key Quote:
  • “You can’t talk to people about spooky, ooky stuff without giving them the solution. Then I quickly come to realize the solution is Jesus Christ.” (19:35 – D)

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2. How to Hear God’s Voice & Building Intimacy

[13:03 – 17:00]

• Practical guidance:
  • Pick a consistent time daily to pray and build relationship with God; expect God to respond as a king, not on-demand.
  • Over time, the difference between God’s voice, your own, and demonic can be discerned; “My sheep know my voice.”
• Workflow with God:
  • Relationship to God is built via sacrifice of time and deliberate engagement, not performance or knowledge.
• Key Quote:
  • “The easiest way to hear the voice of the Lord is to schedule time for the Lord in your life... It’s a sacrifice that we make to have a level of intimacy with him in order to hear that voice a lot stronger.” (13:15 – D)

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3. The Dangers of Building Spiritual Altars (to Anything But God)

[22:50 – 31:53]

• What are spiritual altars?:
  • Altars aren’t just biblical structures; anything that becomes an obsession or repeated focus (pornography, cryptids, news, politics) can become a spiritual altar.
  • Media reporting/obsession with cryptids (Bigfoot, Dogman, etc.) can function as an altar, opening doorways to spiritual attacks.
• Critical correlation:
  • Multiple prominent Christians in the cryptid/paranormal field became ill or died; James attributes this to dangerous spiritual partnerships (profit or fame from the stories, not God’s provision).
• Key Quote:
  • “...other spirits will make you rich, they’ll make you prosperous, but they’ll add sorrow to it.” (31:44 – D)

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4. Spiritual Transactions, Coveting, & Righteous Legacy

[35:29 – 77:57]

• Obsession with conspiracies also builds altars:

  • Repeated focus and attention given to conspiracies, cryptids, or occult knowledge can create spiritual altars—sometimes to Satan himself.
  • But, if the focus of the platform is ultimately to point to Christ and rescue others, the Lord will provide, even if progress is slow and “plateaus” are for learning.

• Spiritual transactions:

  • All actions (good or bad) are spiritual exchanges or contracts.
  • Witches, cultists understand this (blood debt, oaths, payments)—Christians must reclaim this legal, covenantal aspect but without fear or manipulation:
    • “Everything is a spiritual transaction, man… The whole real spirit realm works on legalities and transactions.” (74:29 – D)

• How to build generational legacy:

  • Minister to God (praise, prayer, covenant), teach your children/witness about the Lord, and covenant with God for your family.
  • Practical tips (see [63:16 – 71:06]):
    • Train children in biblical wisdom; don’t outsource to church alone.
    • Make explicit covenants and ask God for generational blessing and protection.
    • Serve others with your gifts to expand your heavenly account.

• Notable metaphor:

  • “We are God's currency. So he wants to spend us on people… You are his currency. Wow. I'd be like, okay, God, spend me. What you want to do?” (78:16 – D)

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5. Obedience, Sloth, and the Struggle with God’s Assignments

[94:27 – 100:12]

• Honest discussion of procrastination & obedience:
  • Hosts and James candidly confess resistance, procrastination, and heaviness when faced with God's instructions or “small things” that prepare them for greater responsibility.
  • Emphasize “retarded obedience”—willingness to do what God says, even when it doesn’t make sense or feel efficient.
• Key Quotes:
  • “I just made myself be a retard. As pertains to God. I’m a very intelligent man, but when God says, do something, I said, I’m just gonna be retarded.” (97:04 – D)
  • “Just be retardedly obedient to the Lord. You just get led and guide in the right direction... like you just forest gump, but you forest Gump and he leading and guiding you.” (98:26 – D)

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6. Testimonies, Danger Without Christ & Soul Ties

[100:18 – 113:34]

• Exploring the supernatural without Christ:
  • Discuss a fellow investigator, Nathaniel Gillis, and the toll spiritual research takes on those without Jesus at the center.
  • James & “Blind Exorcist” conversation: breaking spiritual “soul ties” isn’t just about sex, but about any undue attention, trauma, or focus one gives to people, spirits or events.
• Practical deliverance:
  • Severing soul ties, altars, ties to demonic entities is a continual process, but brings real healing (i.e., James’s own neck pain vanishes).
• Warning:
  • Those teaching or leading others without being centered on Christ receive greater judgment (James 3:1).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On spiritual generations:

  • “What the Lord is doing is he's trying to raise up a priest in your bloodline to save the rest of the bloodline. So you can be a priest for good or you can be a priest for bad. That's gonna be your choice.” (52:20 – D)

• On obedience:

  • “Being retardedly obedient is a strength; if God tells me not to do that, I don’t do it—even when the engineer in me says it’s inefficient.” (97:04 – D)

• On focusing everything back to Christ:

  • “Christ is the lantern that lights your feet. Like without that you’re screwed. And if you’re really going to start delving into this phenomenon, if you’re going to start delving into aliens... without Christ... you’re screwed.” (103:41 – B)

• On righteous legacy:

  • “Sow your gifts and talents to God. The people you launch, the people they reach—count as righteousness unto you in the kingdom.” (65:51 – D)

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Notable Timestamps

03:44 – How James got started in true paranormal storytelling
09:07 – Realizing generational sin is linked to supernatural phenomena
13:14 – “Easiest way to hear the Lord: Schedule time with Him”
19:35 – “Can’t talk about darkness without giving the solution—Jesus”
22:50 – Building altars, spiritual agreements, and dangers for believers
31:44 – “Other spirits make rich, add sorrow...”
63:16 – 3 steps for generational spiritual covering
74:29 – Everything as spiritual transaction and acting on faith
77:10 – “We are God’s currency—let Him spend us”
97:04 – “Retarded obedience to God” as the path to safety
110:51 – Clearing attachments makes God’s voice clearer
113:34 – On responsibility and harsher judgment for false teachers

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Tone and Flow

• Frank, humorous, earnest, and practical; direct engagement with supernatural realities framed from a biblical, faith-driven perspective.
• Frequent references to personal failures, grace, humility before God, and an insistence on pointing all phenomena and knowledge back to Christ.

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Actionable Takeaways

• For Christians in spiritual/alternative fields: Make Christ the center, not the phenomena; always point people to Jesus as the solution, not just the information.
• For parents/legacy builders: Train children explicitly in biblical wisdom, make covenants with God for your family’s protection, and serve Him with your gifts.
• For anyone struggling with obedience or procrastination: “Retarded obedience” is a virtue—sacrifice your agenda, do what God says, and growth will come, even in the plateaus.
• For deliverance and spiritual freedom: Sever all “soul ties” (trauma, relationships, obsessions) and monitor what you build spiritual agreements with.

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Resources & Connections

• James Williams:

  • iamjameswilliams.com – Book, prayers, catalog
  • YouTube: “Dark Waters”

• Hosts:

  • TopLobsta.com – Merch, event info
  • [Nephilim Death Squad Patreon](https://patreon.com/nephilimdeath squad)

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Closing Note

This episode powerfully underscores the dangers of untethered exploration into spiritual dark waters, the necessity of Christ as anchor, and the transformative power of raw, “retarded” obedience. Grounded in scripture, generational strategy, and practical spiritual warfare, it’s a must-listen for anyone navigating faith, conspiracies, or the supernatural in the modern world.

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Transcript

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[D]

All right, so head ON over to IAM james williams.com. that's my website. That's my portal where you can go through. And the book that I've been working on is out there. It's called. It's called how to get Victory in the Courts of Heaven. It's fantastic. It teaches you how to pray. But also on the website, it'll lead you to YouTube, waters.com, which is where you will find all kind of spooky, scary stories. My actual catalog that's been around for a very long time. For those of you who want to just want some prayer on that same website is what everybody calls the six finger, and it's before you sleep. It's a free download, and it will give you some prayers.

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[D]

Yeah, yeah,

[B]

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[D]

Sure.

[B]

So before we get into a lot of the stuff that we want to talk about, I'm interested to. To know what inspired this book. We talked a little bit before the show, and you said that some of your content, as far as books go, has previously been in the arena of Cryptids and things like that, which is a fascinating conversation. Also love to get on that. We don't talk about that sort of thing enough on this show.

[C]

Not nearly enough.

[B]

Not nearly enough. It's actually. We've had conversations top and I, where we go. Like we. I kind of want to do a little bit less of the conspiracy sleuthing and a little bit more of the sort of the fantastic testimony of individuals who have experienced these things. But before we even touch any of that, what inspired the. The deviation from that genre of content to this. How to gain favor within the Courts of Heaven. That's a fantastic concept and one that is immensely important. What, what drove that idea? And, and tell us a little bit about the book.

[D]

All right, so that's. The echo's gone. That's fantastic.

[B]

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[D]

Yeah, it sounds great. So now that that's out of the way, listen, this is what happened. So the Dark Waters brand was built on paranormal stories. So when you go back 10, 12 years ago, there was two brands of content creation that was very prevalent. One of them was creepy pasta stories, which are like little pie face teenagers who make up stories. They're like, number one, my grandmother saw a scary monster. Right. You've heard that, right?

[B]

I watched those games.

[D]

So. And then there was people who did interviews about Cryptids and monsters on, you know, on. On YouTube.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And that was kind of like the foundational things that birth all the rest of the stuff. When I started telling stories, there were not many storytellers. Now everybody's telling a story and everybody's on, on, you know, on YouTube, telling stories and monetized storytelling. So when I came into the game, I decided, I was like, you know, all this stuff is fake. Born and raised in New Orleans. This real spooky stuff that happened here. I'm going to talk to my friends and we gonna sit down and I'm gonna find out what happened. So I started just chopping it up with my friends, mayors, city councilmen, police chiefs, all kind of people. And I was like, man, tell me anything scary to that happened to you. And I was like, if you let me tell the story and sign this paperwork and let me tell the story, it's like, man, I love you, Jay. You can tell the story. And so I started telling true, scary stories that are probably true from the individuals that stole that, that shared the story. And I would have them sign documentation on it. So I move into the Cryptid field. And the Cryptid field is kind of like, you know, it's. It's divided into those who go out into the field and kind of look for monsters. So they run around in the woods, you know, searching for monsters, brave people, because there's real things out there. And there's the, what I call, like the media of the Cryptid field, which is the people who kind of interview people. But in the storytelling arena, there was really nobody there. So I focus on the storytelling arena of real stories. So after probably six years of really telling stories and interviewing witnesses, as you interview eyewitnesses over and over and over again, these things start to stick out and generational sin, iniquity, and transgression start, like, sticking out as being a common thread as to why people have these encounters. So alcoholism, it's very, very common in people who have encounters with cryptids. Childhood molestation is extremely common in people who have cryptid encounters. Drug abuse is extremely common. And so I'm. I'm. Because in this environment of cryptids is extremely competitive, and people would say, oh, this story is not real. I started charting all this data. It's like, okay, this person had this encounter at this location. And when I asked them about their family, this is why they had the encounter. So I started charting it on the Excel spreadsheet. So one day, sitting there, looking at all the information on the Excel spreadsheet, and I'm like, this don't make no sense. This is spiritual. This is spiritual. And so we get to this point where. And this was this shifting moment, this lady calls me, and she says, hey, I want to tell you my story. And she's like, you know, my family has been under a generational curse from druid magic. And I'm like, whatever, you know. So she's telling me a story, and I'm listening to the story. She's telling me the story about as she laid in the bed, there was this hag that was behind the curtains. So imagine laying in the bed. Hold on. There's a child abducted. Lord, we ask in the name of Jesus Christ, that you send your warring angels out now to not only track down this child abductor that just abducted this child, but your word says, Lord, it's better for a man to tie a millstone around his neck and to be tossed in the seat and to lead one of these little ones astray. Lord, I asked that a millstone be put around the neck of the child abducted. Now, in the name of Jesus Christ, according to your word, and you are God of your word, Lord, I ask that you empower men in. Men in law enforcement to find this child. And we decree and declare freedom for that child in the name of Jesus Christ. For the word of God says that he who the sun sets free is free indeed. Amen. All right, so we didn't.

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We didn't pray before we started.

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I'm coming here, every time I'm coming here. Yeah, but we don't pray together.

[D]

That's real easy. Lord, we thank you for this Opportunity for me and my brothers in the faith to get together. We honor you, we praise you, and Lord, we love you because you are King of kings and Lord of Lords. Now, Lord, we bind any spirits of interference, strife, pride, perversion, competition, anger, and what is you and any provoking spirits that would try to provoke in a chat. We bind all wicked fingers and tongues and we decree your word over this conversation, over us. Your word says every tongue that rises up against us in judgment, thou shalt condemn. And so, standing on your word, Lord, now we condemn those tongues in the name of Jesus Christ. And we ask that you come into the show and that you commune with us. And you, you speak through our vessels. We ask this in the name of Jesus Christ and say Amen.

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So wait, can I just say something real quick? James, I want you to know that, you know, after our previous conversation and you were talking about the way that you. You talk to people, you know, whether or not it's, you know, on the show or anything like that. And that these days you only move. And these days I might have just put that in there. You might have always been this way. But you only move toward whoever God moves you towards. And I just want to say that that has changed a lot of the way that I think lately. And I'm trying to. It's something that I'm working on and I think it's probably a constant work. But I'm trying to only do things that God wants me to do these days. And I'm trying to get better at hearing that. So, you know, that whole bag and what goes into that. And I think that's kind of everybody's struggle if you're really trying. But. But after our conversation with you, that really. It really changed my perspective and oriented me in that direction. And a lot of the chat knows, and they might make jokes about it or whatever, because I keep bringing you up on the show, but I just want you to know the conversation we had was very meaningful, and it was. There's a. This is a trajectory change. Not a trajectory change, but a refining or a sharpening of that trajectory. And. And it's doing great deal to the conversation that we had. So I want to thank you for that. But. But, please, I don't want to derail you too much.

[D]

No, you're not gonna derail me. Thank you, man. I appreciate you honoring the conversation. Let's just jump on that real quick, and then we'll jump back. Remember, it's her in the bed, and there's a hag behind the curtain.

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Yes.

[D]

Y' all got that. So you can bring it back to it. So watch this. People talk about hearing the voice of the Lord. The easiest way to hear the voice of the Lord is to schedule time for the Lord in your life. So the way you get direction from the Lord is scheduling time in your life and building an intimate relationship with Him. So you take time out of your day, which is a busy day. You make a sacrifice, which is of your time, which is of value to Him. He says, hey, my son is sacrificing time to hang out with me now because he's king. Don't have the expectation that he just gonna come immediately as you start praying and saying, hey, I want to get close to you. I want to get close to you. I want to get closer to you. Don't get discouraged. You got to remember he's not just God, our Father, but he's also a king as well. And this is why you always hear me refer to him as my Lord, my king, my God. Because that mindset that he's a king means that, okay, you gonna get to me when you won't get to me, but in between now and then, I ask that you give me the grace to do what I need to do. It's kind of like when you find yourself in a situation where things have gone bad and you pray to the Lord. The spiritual exchange that you make is peace. He gives you peace of mind while you work through the problem. So to people in the chat, to anybody listening, pick a time of the day and pray the Lord every day. Do it consistently for 30 days, just every day. It could be 12 noon at your lunch break. It could be as soon as you get up, pick a time, pray to the Lord. And what's going to happen is you're going to Start talking to him, and then he's going to start communicating you in the various different ways that he communicates. Sometimes he communicates to you through a stranger that just. That just says the right thing. Sometimes it's through a YouTube video, sometimes it's through a TV show. Some it's. He's going to communicate with you, right? Then when you get to the point to where you really start hearing his voice, then you go through the battle of whose voice am I hearing? It's three voices. It's the Lord's voice, it's my voice, and there's anything that's attached to me for my generational bloodline, demonically. So now you're battling these three voices. The Bible says, my sheep know my voice. Yeah, it's my sheep know my voice. And so eventually, you get to know his voice. And so you get to the point to where you love hearing his voice. Then you get to the point to where you just harass them. So, like I do. Hey, what's. Good morning. What you doing today? This is what I got on my schedule. I'm thinking about doing this. This, this, this, this. I don't know if you're gonna answer me right now. It's all good. But I'm just gonna tell you, this is what I plan to do. Would you mind and helping me with this day? Right? You go through your day, you get ready to do something. Why are you doing that? Okay, well, what do you think I should do? Do this, this, this. And it works out. So it's a sacrifice that we make to have a level of intimacy with him in order to hear that voice a lot stronger. But it's a sacrifice you're going to make to get there and understand that he's a king and he's in control. All right, back to this lady, right? So she calls. She's like, yeah, you know, I got this Druid magic in my family, and everything I do, I'm cursed. So if I get a new car, the car engine goes out. If I get a new house, the house burns down. This. And you gotta remember, guys, I'm a baby Christian at this point in time. And I'm just. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna see what I can do to help this lady. Greatest mistake I could ever make. So she tells the story. She's laying in the bed, the curtains by the windows, one of those long curses that go all the way down to the ground. And she's looking, and she sees this curtain pull back, and it's this Old hag's face. The old hag shows his face and she freaks out, pulls her head under the COVID She's laying in the bed, she's like, okay, I'll be fine. Then she feels what feels like somebody laying the bed with her. Like the indention of somebody laying in the bed. Then she feels this thing touching her and violating her in a place. She rolls over, it's nobody's there. And in this point in the conversation, she starts balling out crying. One of my. One of my indications that a witness was not lying to me when we did these phone interviews was they would always go emotional. And so I would push them to the point of emotion to verify the emotion. Because if you told me you saw a damn werewolf and it scratched you, and as you would tell me the story, I couldn't detect any emotion in your story, you lying. If I see a damn 12 foot tall werewolf and it scratched me, I'm gonna have some kind of trauma, right? So I'm looking for that trauma. And so, because people be like, well, how does he know that those stories are real, right? I've been through this for years. Well. Well, in this case, this woman is traumatized. And so as I'm sitting there, I'm like, okay, take a break. I'm about to go. Give me something to eat. I'll be back. Calm down and I'll call you back. So I go across the street, Give me like some chicken wings, like chicken nuggets, you know, so you know black people like chicken. Give me some chicken nuggets. Come back and. And I sit down, call the lady, right? And as I'm eating the nugget, she's talking. The voice guy clearly says, spit that out your mouth right now or you're gonna choke. Whoa. And I'm like, huh? And she's just talking. So I get up and I'm like. And a little piece gets stuck in my throat. So now I'm choking. She's outside the bathroom on the phone, on the table. I'm in a choking environment and bombing it up. So I come back, and as soon as I sit down, the Lord says, there's more to this than you understand. Get off the phone with that woman right now. Say, ma', am, I'm gonna call you back. When you gonna call me back? Probably never. So I hang up the phone, click. Come back home that night. And I'm laying in bed, and as I'm sleeping, I wake up because I feel a presence in the room. And I'm coming You know, the veil is right before you go to sleep. There's a space called the veil. When you're kind of going through it and you're going to deep sleep. I'm waking up, coming back through the veil, not having sleep paralysis. But I'm woke up and I feel something sticking his finger in my mouth. It's like a finger, a long finger, like, pushing like this. And I bite. I'm like, damn, I just bit something so to open my eyes. But I don't see nothing. Like, all right, whatever. Cool. What are you doing? I go back to sleep, and this time it's like trying to touch my throat. So I pop up. And I didn't know how to rebuke this thing or nothing. So I get up. The only thing I knew to do was I'm about to go get a preacher and put it on. And I'm not going to bed until I feel this feeling leave. So that's like. That happens like one. I don't go to bed to 4am right after that, I call a guy who's an exorcist. And I said, hey, man, you know, we're have to talk about some of these things. I'm doing this. This happened. And he said, well, James, you legally interfere with that spirit's business. And I was like, all right. He was like, so what you're gonna need to do is you're gonna need to crack open your Bible and you're gonna need to start studying the Bible. It's okay. Not me. I have an engineering mind. Graduated degree in electrical engineering, a minor in physics. So I treated the Bible like it was an engineering textbook. So I'm like, all right, let's crack this book open. And I started reading and I started reading and I go through, and it's not jumping off the page. So I'm like, I just don't make no damn sense. So I said, okay, let me start talking to people. I try to talk to passes about the demonic stuff, and none of them have any answers. They're just like, oh, we don't mess with them demons. It's black pastors, son. We don't mess with none of them demons. Well, okay, whatever. You're not gonna help. And so eventually, the Lord leads me to people for me to study, and then I start studying, and I started taking Wednesdays and Thursdays, eight hours a day just to study the Bible the whole day. Study the Bible. And I realized something. You can't talk to people about spooky, ooky stuff without giving Them the solution. Then I quickly come to realize that the solution is Jesus Christ. That's why I'm so convinced, because I've. You asked me a story about it. I know somebody that experienced it. Yep, you asked me a story about it. I know somebody experienced it and called on the name of Jesus and it stopped it. But you can't really quantify that for the public's eye. Like, you know, like, you can't really debate it because you're like, what are you just telling me what somebody said happened? Because to somebody who doesn't believe in Jesus, that doesn't equate to them. You know what I'm saying? Their eyes are darkened. They don't see nothing. But for those of us who believe in Jesus and believe in supernatural and experience the supernatural, the average individuals experience sleep paralysis. They're laying in the bed, you're like, in the name of Jesus. And it pops off, right?

[B]

Yep.

[D]

And they don't even believe in Jesus, but they know you say the name of Jesus. And so what led me to this point was I had all this data, all this knowledge, all this, this understanding. But in order to help people, I needed to know Jesus to help them. So then it gets to the point to where I'm talking to my witnesses and I'm talking to them and, and teaching them and kind of giving them these little quick Bible studies, like, on certain things, like, okay, here's what the spirit offense is doing on your job, like council, take giving people counseling. And then the Lord says, okay, that field that you're in is full of strife and full of drama. Time to leave. So I left, went to start doing other stuff. And just like recently, he said, he gave me option. He said, do you want to go back over there? Because he said, I still have people. I want to pull out of there. And I started negotiating. Yeah, I'll go back. But this, this, this, this, this can't happen. And he ain't say nothing. So I was like, okay, well, we'll wait till we finish this conversation. So the last interview I did was a guy named Eric Stagesy a couple years ago. And we were in the midst of this interview, and Eric says, hey, man, is this the store? You did see Jalaki Ranch? Really real

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looking and I'm like, this is just a waste of time because the story is so real and so vetted that people have went there, embedded the story. People still go to the location where the story was and they'll go. And they'd be like, yeah, I didn't see what you were talking about, but I'm talking to people there and they encounter. Encounter dog man. And I'm just sitting there like, this is stupid. I don't want to talk about this anymore. I said, lord, I'm not talking about this anymore. He's like, I didn't told you to leave it alone. Go to the next thing. So I go from that thing. When I move out of there, I'm at about a hundred, 150,000 subscribers. And when I make the decision to move, I skyrocket. I think I skyrocket up to like 400,000 subs. Wow. All the rest of this stuff, then it plateaus. And I'm hanging out with him and I'm talking and I'm like, yo, why, why, why was my channel kind of being held down? He said, because you gave it to me. And I did. I made a covenant with the Lord. All this belong to you, you know. He said, you gave it to me. So you grow when I want you to grow. I was like, okay, well what I do in the meantime to grow? He said, well, in the meantime, what you gonna do is you're gonna study, you're gonna learn, you're gonna lead people to the kingdom. And so we can talk about anything spooky you want to talk about. Just know that I'm gonna point to Jesus because that's the solution to the. For the people. So for example, you guys were talking about Timothy earlier and his Joe Rogan appearance, right? And I said, my expectation is not that he's going to point to Jesus. So it's just not my expectation because pattern wise, a person is going to do what they do over and over and over again. So when you see the pattern, then it is what is. There's no need to have an expectation, you know what I'm saying? Like, but if you go look at a Steve Quail, Steve Quail always points to Jesus. So now I would be disappointed. Steve Quail just got up there and didn't point to Jesus. I'm like, what the hell going on with you, Steve? What's your problem? But we have to come to the point that we realize that the patterns themselves show you the individual. That kind of brings me to what I wanted to talk to you guys about, which is spiritual, like altars and spiritual warfare, right? So an altar throughout the Old Testament were like. Like places where people made sacrifices, right? So we remember Cain and his brother Abel erected altar to the God, to the Lord, and one of them made the sacrifice of his first fatling. The other one made the sacrifice a whole bunch of stuff on the ground. Later, Kane got mad at Abel, bust him across the head, let him out. It led to the very first court case in the courts of heaven, where God came down, investigated the. The blood, investigated the murder, and bada bing, bada boom, right? But what we. What people don't realize is in our lives, we create altars to things. You look at pornography every day. You're building a spiritual altar to pornography. So when you go to bed that night, if something rubbing on your booty in your sleep, it's because you built it all to the pornography, right? Some people build an altar to the news. Like, I know plenty of people have alters to Donald Trump. You can't talk to him about Donald Trump. Perfect. You can't do nothing, right? And so we build these altars where we make these exchanges in our lives. And then we wonder why we get the results that we get. So they got unrighteous altars, and they got righteous altars. And people in the paranormal field, in the cryptid field, they have erected altars to these cryptids, and these cryptids have entities attached to them, spirits attached to them. That's why you'll see a person who had, like a Bigfoot encounter. You just go back and look at Bigfoot encounters. You'll find there's Bigfoot encounters in the cities, There's Bigfoot encounters in the woods. Then you get to these real strange Bigfoot encounters where people be like, I saw Bigfoot coming through the wall of my house. Yeah, I saw Bigfoot in my bedroom. That's because they have an altar to where they have an agreement with that spirit that supports the Bigfoot. They have an agreement with it to where it's got access to them at any point in time.

[B]

Is this because they, they have this experience and it's very meaningful and, and mysterious and so they pursue it and then it becomes this big. I mean you see people with Bigfoot T shirts and Bigfoot bumper stickers logo.

[C]

You'll see it in their house.

[B]

Yeah. You're watching Bigfoot, finding Bigfoot constantly. It's. It's your new favorite form of, of content. Things like that. Is. Is that what you're.

[D]

I think exactly. Not exactly.

[C]

Tony ran into that not, not fairly early, but like you were on his show pretty early, right? Merkel show?

[D]

Yeah. Probably like his second episode or third episode. Real early.

[C]

It took him. I mean, because it must have taken him 100 more episodes.

[B]

No, maybe more to get past that Bigfoot.

[C]

No, I mean like 300 episodes to figure out like, oh, I'm being attacked spiritually.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I'm pointing at all of this supernatural stuff and haven't put up any defenses against it.

[B]

Yeah. I think Tony's much more oriented towards Christ these days. But I think it's, you know, the pitfalls of experiencing something supernatural or, or exposing yourself to these stories and they're amazing. But if you're not grounded in Christ or if Christ isn't the center, you know, point that you return to after the story is like you're talking about James, then yeah, you end up building an altar to it. I don't want to deviate too much, but I want to ask you who was. Because you said there was a lot of people in this space, like you know, top five ghost stories or whatever on the Internet, like that kind of a deal. But who before you?

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If you're aware of anybody was exploring these things and then pointing to Christ.

[D]

The one guy that comes to mind was a guy that was in the kind of cryptid field named Britain Sawwin. He was cool with a guy named Vicunda. Vic Comes was still around Dogman Encounters, but it was Brenton Solomon's the one guy that I saw doing it. And the weirdest thing about all Christians that find themselves in a cryptic field, they end up getting cancers and die.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

So Linda Godfrey was a Christian. Linda Godford got cancer and died. Brent Saw was a Christian. He got cancer and died. There was another guy that was. And for the record, ladies and gentlemen, listening, I'm going from my memory, if I leave someone off, because y' all real messy over there. I'm not disrespecting anybody, but you guys know the people's names that were Christian. It was another guy that always spent time in the woods. He always had, like, a backpack camera, and he would record and get pictures of all kind of cryptids and monsters. He died of cancer.

[B]

Oh, I actually. I think I know who you're talking about. His son's still around, and. And the guy. He used to go out there routinely and he had an. You know, he's got. He was recording every time, and he wasn't going through his catalog every time. Right. Because it's. Everybody who is in sort of content creation knows if you're recording that much, it's a nightmare to produce and. And go through. And if you're doing it every day, you kind of don't feasibly have the time to do that. So it's my understanding he has a lot of stuff left over. My mind keeps going. Rob Skiba. It's definitely not Rob Skiba, but I'm getting a little blockage on his name. I know who you're talking about, though. I'm pretty sure I. We're thinking of the same guy.

[D]

But there's a. There's a. There was a lot of Christians that was in that field that. That. That tried to point to Jesus Christ, but for some reason, they will all get cancer and die.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

You know what I'm saying? They. And they all Died of cancers. So the. The problem that you find when you deal with spirits like that is it's one thing to talk about it, then you monetize it. So now you're financially in partnership with them, and they. They become your substance. So your wages are paid for them. So that's a deeper level of a connection. They exalt you because you tell a story about them, and you get exalted because you tell stories about them. So now your influence is due to them and the spirits that's behind them. And it ends up being a bad deal for the. For a Christian, because the one that's supposed to provide all your needs through his riches and glory in Christ Jesus is God. The one that's supposed to exalt you is God. The one that's supposed to give you influence is God. And so you're in partnership with spirits that are not of God, and then you're prospering by them. And if I'm not mistaken, the Bible says, the spirit of the Lord maketh rich and add no sorrow. You got guys, just for the people listening, because I've studied the word this way. It comes out without, like, chapter verse, but it is the spirit of the Lord and maketh rich and add no sorrow. And so what it tells you is that other spirits will make you rich, they'll make you prosperous, but they'll add sorrow to it.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

So you'll find people having sorrows added to them as they prosper outside of the Lord. Now, why people do that is because it's. Sometimes it's easier because God will tell you, sit your behind still. Jay, tell me all the time, James, sit down. Don't do nothing. You can't do no work this week. I'm like, yo, that's gonna cost me, like, $3,000 big homie. You know, just sitting still, doing nothing. Big dog, that's Gonna cost me 3,000. Sit down. All right? And then you. In obedience, you get a reward for being obedient. And then in that. In that week where you didn't do anything, he's like, I need you to study this, this, this, this. And what I found is in that obedience is when I grew for whatever challenge he had coming. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I give you guys an example, and then we go back to the monsters or whatever y' all want to go. I was in Fredericksburg. When I'm taking a shower. It was crazy because I had a glass of wine in the shower. My fat behind drinking wine, and shout out to you. And my. My phone is playing Alex Jones. And so I hear Alex Jones saying, yeah, this guy, Dark Waters. And he's. You know, he got that raspy voice.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Then he plays my video. I'm like, what the hell? I'm hearing my voice like it's my video playing. So I come out the shower, dry off, drink a little bit more wine. Look, I'm like, this boy, Alex Jones just promoted me, right? So I go out. The first thing I do is I go outside. It's about 11:30. I go out into this field that they have out there, and I start talking to the Lord. I pull a chair out there. They got this place is full of people outside, party. Pull a chair, and I sit down. I say, okay, what is going on with this? You got to tell me why this is happening. Because I ain't do this. I ain't never asked to be on this man's show, right? And just so people know, Alex Jones is kind of the highest level of mountain influence for Christians. There's two high levels of the mountain for Christian. It's Alex Jones, Tucker Carson, right? So. So I'm sitting there, and I'm like, all right, you gotta talk to me. What's going on? He'll say. I was like, no, no, I need to know right now. And so I started justifying my request with scripture. About five minutes pass, and he says, I need you to tell him A, B, C, D, E, F, G. And there's nobody that's gonna go tell him. I know you'll go tell him. I was like, well, let me go get a pen. So I run back inside, grab a pen and paper. My wife's like, what are you doing? I'll be back. So I'm sitting there writing yourself down. You are a watcher. The watcher's work is this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And he said, now, wait a couple of days. He said, I want you to fast and pray. Like, all right. So I go back, hang out with my wife, hanging out, chilling. When the time comes, he says, time to start fast and pray. I stop, boom. Start fasting and praying, go on to the show. The very first show was a hit. And I get the word to him that the Lord wanted me to get to him. But prior to that, there was calls where he was like, nope, you gotta f. You got to study this on every Thursday. But the study was all about the role of a watchman. So I knew what to say because I studied it. Then I got commissioned to go do It. And so what ends up happening is he'll slow you down, he'll give you some training, he'll give you a commission, he'll send you on a mission. You accomplish the mission. Awesome. Then he sent me back with another mission where the battle ax came. And it was. The timing was perfect, because when after the battle ax came was when him and Trump and all the rest of these people started beefing. But if you go back and you notice when that happened in that context, Alex was just like, yeah, he was cool. Because he had already got a word through me from the Lord. Not a word from me, like, I'm God, but the Lord had a servant that can go say what needed to be said. And that's irregardless how people feel about the man. Some people don't like the man. It's not about that. It's about understanding the lesson of what the Lord does with you. So all the people in the chat, if you. If you talk with him, he's going to train you up. He's gonna give you a commission, give you a job, and send you on a task to do it, because that's what the assignment was when Jesus left. That's what he told the disciples to do.

[B]

That's great. Okay. There's. There's a couple of things I want to address there. One of them is I want to get your thoughts on this idea of, like, making an altar out of Cryptids. You could do the same thing. It sounds to me with. With conspiracies, and there are people in the space who, you know, the. The conspiracies become their bread and butter. This is something that we actually started to move away from on the show, which is this, like, constant need to unpack a conspiracy or have a great big conspiracy. I don't think there's anything wrong with something coming across, you know, your table. When you. And you have a stirring in your spirit that this thing that's happening on the world stages is wrong, or there's something worth digging into. But there are some people. Go ahead.

[C]

It's a reason why we don't seek to go on many more shows. Like, when you go on a show, it's very much. You go on and. And you have a topic of expertise and you present it. Here's my topic. Good sir.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What does your audience think about this?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's like, I don't. We're not gonna go and necessarily do a study on a thing unless we're cold to it.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So it's a Lot of, like, waiting.

[A]

Waiting.

[B]

I guess it is. Yeah.

[C]

In the meantime, it's just us doing whatever. Maybe, you know, we're doing some fun stuff or, you know, we'll do interviews, but nothing really drilled deep down and serious.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because we're. We're in a state of. All right, what next?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But then when that thing appears, when it shows itself, we're like, okay, that's it. Pick it up.

[D]

Let's move.

[B]

I recognize in other individuals this uncanny ability which, Which I, I have some admiration for. I don't think that it's. It's a negative thing inherently. It's not within me, though, is to just kind of decide to do arbitrarily a deep dive on a thing and dredge up all this information and then do a presentation on it that's not in me. So oftentimes, if we get invited on a show, we'll go like, what are we going to talk about? And, you know, a lot of the times we end up talking about our own testimony, which is. All of that revolves around God. So I think in the same way that you can make an altar out of cryptids, if. If any of these conspiracies are truly the machinations of. Of Satan the adversary, and that is what you're making your bread and butter off of in that way James does. Is it the same situation where, like, therefore, Satan is sort of kind of the adversary, is what you make your living off of is. Is. And once again, it's, It's. It's even a kind of a, you know, a narrow line to walk because you should bring attention to these things and, and they are useful to. To show people like, hey, this is the state of the world, but this is. If you're pointing back to Christ, this is what you should be oriented on. But there is another thing that happens where you could become enamored and in fact, beyond enamored. In order to make this thing make money and keep going, we got to keep hitting these conspiracies. What's the next conspiracy? What's the next big political thing that's going on?

[D]

I'm with you. And so what you're talking about is, I like to call it the battle of fishermen. Right? So Jesus, he chose the fishermen for a reason, because you are fishers of men. Right? So. And just. So anybody who's listening, who's got any kind of podcast, that podcast that's a Christian in the context of exploring a conspiracy, you. Exploring a conspiracy, but you point people to Jesus, what you're Doing is you're going into the territory of conspiracy. So it's a spiritual territory of conspiracy. Just imagine a city, right? And they got the walls and they got the giant gate that rolls up. And you walk in, you look around, and it's Illuminati signals. Everybody, everywhere, people's like, oh, the illuminate. The illuminate. And you go over here, and it's JFK files. Like, oh, the JFK files. And you go down this aisle is

[B]

like over there with a penis.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Street. You're walking down Cuban street, and you understand that biblically, there was a city that was like this that Paul went to. I'm trying to remember the name of it, but it was on. I think it was Athens, because Athens had all these different gods of gods everywhere, right? You're walking in and this. All this stuff is around. But in that space, in that city are people who accepted Jesus Christ, their Lord and Savior. They went to church, they did all these things, but they're in that space, and they're in that space, and Jesus is saying, hey, hey, James. Hey, hey, hey, Dave. Y' all go over there and y' all grab the boys. How they didn't lost their damn mind didn't lost their damn mind over on that QAnon street. Well, my Lord, you know, they believe this QAnon stuff. That's all right. That's all right. You know, about QAnon not going in there and take what they know, but point it back to me. And if you go back and you look at what Paul did, Paul said to the Greek, I'm a Greek. To the Jew, I'm a drew a Jewish because his job was, okay, I'm gonna go in and I'm spread the gospel of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. So he went in to spread the gospel. And so people think it's like, as long as your heart is pointed towards our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and point people towards him, you're gonna be fine. Now, the person who's there just purely for profit, purely there to. To get notoriety, they gonna get what they. They gonna get their reward for it. And ain't nothing you could do about it. That's why I don't worry about the people. You know what I'm saying? Like, I already know what your reward is for that. You're gonna get your reward. And what you'll find those people doing is they'll have this thing where they go up and they go down and they go up and then go down and then go up and they go down for us it's. And then it levels off and then it levels off. And that leveling off place for us is us learning before we go to the next level. So yes, people do build altars to all types of subjects and all types of things. And those are spiritual altars. And then people build physical altars to different spirits, entities and creatures that make deals at them. But also is a place where you make a transaction and that is the inherently a transaction being made. Where. Oh, I talk about. I don't know. I talk about. You can pick the wildest thing. I talk about frequency. Right. And all I talk about is frequency. Well, okay, whatever's at that, whatever spirits is the one that sponsors these conversations and frequencies. I'm making a spiritual exchange with that spirit every day to get money for promoting that spirit and bringing it forth to other people on to, to worship it. Because worship is nothing more than getting attention. So yeah, that's, that's what people end up doing. That's the. And for anybody who decides that they're a Christian now everybody that's Christian should be some have some form of influence on your job on online. Like the guy that you guys are with who has a coffee shop where people come in. I said you like his business is an altar where people come in and encounter the Lord. So everybody should have some form of influence because according to Revelations we've been made kings and priests under God. So you have the priesthood where you serve God in prayer and minister to him. Then you have kingship where through your kingship you're active and influential in the world to point to the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and pull people into the kingdom. And every time we turn somebody from their wickedness is counted as righteousness unto us. So it's. It's a good thing. It's just the knowledge that you have to have when you're. You're doing it. Am I making sense?

[B]

Yes.

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Something else that I wanted to say is that, you know, you, you had this hand is you've been in this for. Am I. Am I short selling you? Yeah. 11 years. 11 years. So you helped to establish an entire genre of content. You named a couple of guys that came before you and, and since then, that entire genre. And I don't know how you would. What you would call it necessarily, but it is kind of some summarized as cryptid and spiritual encounters that are focused on Jesus Christ. Like that is the, the moral of every encounter, I think. And so you help to flesh this entire thing out. That was huge in, in my walk. It's, it's actually what brought me here. And I don't remember how much we talked about it on your show, but I, I, you know, had been into conspiracy for a long time. It wasn't until I had my own encounter and out of desperation was forced to call on Jesus Christ to make it stop that I became, you know, obsessed for a time with looking for other people who had had similar experiences. And I ended up stumbling into the arena that, that, you know, you helped create along with these other guys. And once I had that, once I saw that you were talking about data and correlation and graphing all of these things, these commonalities between one person's experience and another. I was listening to this testimony. I'm doing the same thing. I can see the patterns emerging. And it's anecdotal. And in that way you kind of said before, it's hard to debate because what you're effectively doing is saying this person has told me this thing. But what people don't understand is that there is precedent. For once you have enough patterns compiled, you know, together, you can start to really seriously entertain them as being representative of maybe a greater theory. And that theory in this case being spiritual warfare, right? So people are having these encounters. There's a spiritual nature to them. This is spiritual warfare. And the way to cut through this is Jesus Christ. That is the way to arm yourself when, you know, having these encounters, all of that puts me in this chair. It puts it, it is the way that I meet top and it is the, the beginnings of, of what we start doing here. I just find that remarkable because I never stopped and thought about that entire genre of content creation as, as this industry. It's a new thing probably in very many ways. Right. For Christianity and certainly a new thing just in, in this lens. There's always been spooky ghost stories as you were talking about before. But to slap this biblical lens on it and to look at everything through that is a rather new phenomenon, maybe 15 years old, tops. And that certainly doesn't account for all of the height of its popularity. It's only really reached this hyper sort of popular place that it is now culturally in the last. Well, it's 10.

[C]

Yeah, I guess like 15 years old. But realistically, this should have. This was the common way of thinking, like biblically. Seems like these characters were looking at the world around them the way you do James. And it's like oftentimes it gets me to really wonder, like, what the, what happened? Like, how did we lose sight of that? Because once we, once we started doing this, like, we started this as like a conspiracy show comedy show, like, we're doing like all kinds of stuff and as a Christian, that starts to leak in and then you see some other stuff and you're like, wait a second. And, and it's, it's a, a tool that now we're holding for the last two or three years. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to put that down. Yeah, this tool seems to be very useful, this lens, for everything that I'm doing here. How did it get discarded in the first place? Have you, have you ever, like, looked through that, through your, through your studies?

[D]

Why did people drop bought? It boils down to the way Satan attacks men and the things that Satan does to attack men. If I'm not mistaken, It's Ephesians, Ephesians 118. And it talks about the eyes of understanding being the eyes of your understanding being enlightening that ye may know what is the hope of his calling and what the riches of his glory is. Inheritance is in the saints. And so it just shows you that there are certain people who eyes have been darkened. So what? And that comes over generations. Watch this. So you can have. If you go back and you look at most extremely, extremely liberal people. And just to be clear, if you're a liberal person, I'm not attacking. I'm Just going to use you as we're going to put you on the table and dissect you like a, like a little lab rat real quick. If you go back two generations, it's either their grandparents or their great grandparents that were hardcore Christians, right? And then through time, that family moves away from the Lord. And so there's a generation whose spiritual eyes are darkened, right? And that's so. Because Satan sits out like he's an ancient. And the demons are ancient spirits. They sit there and say, oh, this generation is not gonna work on them. This dude prayed too much. We're gonna come back in 50 years. So they come back, this generation here, they still praying. We're gonna keep on. We're gonna try and plant some seeds. Come back in 20 years. Oh, we didn't have a baby out of wedlock. Let's work on this one. And so now they start working on them, darkening the eyes of their council. And that person goes into a place of ignorance, and what ends up happening is from that place of ignorance, boom, you're off to the races. And now the kingdom of darkness is partnering with you and doing things. One of the things that I found in my data was the majority of people who had these encounters, overwhelming majorities. People like 79 of these people who encounters, excuse me, they were of a generation of family members that were hardcore Christian, and they had turned away from the Lord completely. Excuse me, he had completely turned away from the Lord. And they went to alcoholism, drug abuse, hardcore fornication, adultery, all the rest of these things. Now, if you, if you. That's just kind of a micro cosmismo communism of it. But if you go to the macro level, you'll see that same pattern across all things. It's just that you found yourself in this little bitty town of cryptids of monsters. That's your little bitty interest area. But in that space is where the spiritual warfare started and where the suffering starts. And then from that suffering, you got two things that can be birthed. The fruit of righteousness can be birthed because you can turn and go back to the Lord or you're gonna get paid the wages of your sin, which is death. And so I would say all the time, I'd be like, hey, guys, you know, those of you watching these Cryptid stories, I need you to understand you're on the last stop at a train station. It's the last tracing train station online, and it's dark outside and there's a little bit of light bulb there, and the train is about to leave, you need to get back on the train and go in the opposite direction. And don't go any further, because only thing you can do is walk off into darkness. And I'm not sure if you're going to make it back from that darkness. And people be like, oh, man, this dude, he always talking about Jesus. Okay, don't listen to me, because you found yourself in a very unique place. In that place, if you get on a train and you go back and this, this doesn't just count for cryptos. This counts for people who got sleep paralysis because they were using drugs or any kind of supernatural negative thing. It's like an alarm bell going on. Danger, danger, danger, danger. Right? You can get back on the train and go back with the Lord, or you can stay right there. And now that's when the wages start getting paid, and the wages of sin is death. So things start dying first, then you start to die. And when I came to that understanding, I was like, all right, Lord, we got to do something different. Because I can't keep leading people to die because that's got that blood gonna count on me. He's like, leading to the Lord. And I was like, well, how we do this? Do this, this, this, this. Let bring my name up, talk about me, and I'll do the rest. And so I was like, okay, you gonna do the heavy lifting. And so he's. I'll use your voice, and I'll bring people to conviction, and I'll do this. He was like, you got a storytelling gift. Do this, this, this, this. And so that's what I did, man. And that's what I did. And I'll just say this to everybody out there, those of us who are off the beaten path, who've experienced weird freaky stuff, you have a unique advantage over kind of the average person who's in the, like, let's say somebody who's in the bloodline generation of the second generation away from a heart. Like, their grandparents were hardcore Christians, or their parents are hardcore Christians, and they still are under the prayers and covering of what their parents did so they can go through life. And they'd be like, oh, my God, I've never experienced a demon. I never had anything. And they just think it's something they did. It's because the Lord honors their parents and. Or their grandparents. But you may not be under that same covering. You may be at that fourth generation. This is why we have this thing called the fourth turning, and because it's a huge thing. But nonetheless, you may Be under that fourth generation where your family been going downhill with the Lord and now you're getting hit. What the Lord is doing is he's trying to raise up a priest in your bloodline to save the rest of the bloodline. So you can be a priest for good or you can be a priest for bad. That's gonna be your choice. And what I found is that a lot of those eyewitnesses were being pushed to be priests for good. And then when you started digging into their personal business, I had a questionnaire like, okay, do you ever do any magic? Sorcery, divination? Well, I play with tarot cards. Do you ever do this, this, this? Oh, yeah, I play with spirit boxes. Have you ever done this, this? Oh, I do this. And I'm like, okay. So now the priesthood is active, which is a. Demonic priesthood is active. And there'll be people like dw Playing with tarot cards is not demonic. Go. The Lord said it is. I ain't the one that made the rules. He said that, not me. Take that up with the big man. So they find themselves in this place where it's one of the priesthood's gonna rise or the other. And if the righteous priesthood rises, then righteous altars arise in the family and the family saved. When wicked priesthood arises and wicked altars arise in the family and the family goes down. I met a guy named Brian Cashman. I shouldn't. Well, whatever. I wasn't supposed to say his last name. Brian is from a thousand year Christian bloodline. His parents, his family, been Christian for a thousand years. Brian Cashman feels like an alien walked into the room. When he walks into the room before I met him, the guy was like, hey, James, you know, Brian's really weird. He gives off this weird vibe, you know, he's real happy, he's real content, and da da, da, da. When the kid pulled up outside the house, I felt him. I was like, what is that? I'm sitting. I'm sitting in the back. I'm like, what is that?

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[D]

And I said, oh, this to do, Brian. And I tell the guy, I said, hey, Brian's here. He said, well, how you know? I said, because I can feel him. He kind of like, what the hell you talking about? This is how strong the presence of favor on the Lord was on. This kid comes to the door, he comes in, he's got his backpack, got a little flute. Hey, guys, how you doing? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Not an insecurity in the world. Not a care concern in the world. Not a fear in the world. Just pure power. Hey, how are you? I'm Brian. Hey, Brian. I'm James. He shakes my hand. Wow, that's amazing. I haven't felt anything like that since I talked to my grandfather. Wow, that's crazy. He holding my hand like, yeah, I've never felt anything like you. And we just having this alien conversation from a Christian perspective. And people like, what the hell are y' all talking about? Because you can feel the spirit of the Lord on. I can spill the spirit of the Lord on him. He can feel it on me. And what ends up happening is if you could sustain that bloodline that's turned to the Lord, then all the problems and issues of the bloodline gets repaired. And so when people find themselves on the dark end, they can start turning back. You may not be able to fix it all in your lifetime, but you can fix it a lot of it. So your children's children are much better. I'm sorry.

[B]

No, this is incredible.

[C]

I think sustaining is. Is not the correct word because I. I've met people like that, man. I think. I think that there's like a. There's a constant building upon. And I, like, I'll tell you a story. When I was younger, man, I was, I don't know, 18 to 20 or whatever, I got kicked out the church. I have a lot of animosity toward the church. And it was like, whatever, it was a whole thing. But I had met People like that. And I remember this is. This is horrific to say, but I'm just going to tell the truth. I remember having to fight back this feeling of, like, not liking that person because I. Like, you can feel that coming off of them, but it's not. It's not them being unlikable. It's whatever. Whatever I am, it's the contradiction of where I'm at. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Versus what I'm seeing or what my spiritual eyes are seeing, where they're at. And, like, then I meet these people later on in life. Like, I met this guy, Jeremy Chotela, which probably shouldn't say his name either, but whatever. He's like. He's like, you know, one of these young worship leader guys. And at the time when I met him, one foot out the church, ready to go, and I was just like, this guy is the worst. Always happy. And you're like, I'm gonna.

[D]

I. I want to choke him.

[C]

Yeah, I met him. I met him. You know, maybe I met. I saw him again a couple years ago. Same energy.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And his dad's a. A preacher and all that. I don't know about the rest of his lineage, but you can imagine. And when I met him again, I was like, oh, like that kind of feeling, I was like, oh, man, Jeremy, like, that's nuts.

[B]

It's interesting to attribute that thing, but go ahead. I'm sorry.

[C]

Yeah. It's just the same thing coming from him, probably even stronger.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But for me, my disposition was changed toward that, so I was like.

[B]

So it almost offended your sensibilities before it offended me? Yeah.

[C]

Well, like, get this. Get this away from me. How could somebody be like this?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, and then afterward I'm like, how could. How could you not be like this? You're seeing something beautiful, you know?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You know what you're talking about too, James, on that idea of, like, the last stop. Cryptids and. And these spiritual encounters being the last stop, but there's a little light on. You're sitting at this. At this, you know, bus stop in the dark, and you could turn towards that light or, you know, right there, you're. You're at the. At the cusp of it.

[C]

It's so sad. Most of these people, I don't, like, they don't know that they're at the last stop or second to last stop, and they don't know that they can even turn around because we've spoken to so many of them and they were like, well, I guess I'm like, like the people who keep rebuilding in Tornado Valley. Like, I guess I'm going to rebuild.

[B]

You know, it's like, no, you could leave. You don't have to be there anymore.

[C]

Yeah, but it's not an option to them that you can't see that.

[B]

What is remarkable though, is it's in some ways almost a mercy that God. It's like, for me, I consider it a mercy because God, like allowed me to see this thing and I had enough information and then I was faced with whatever this phenomenon was, you know, at the time. That's kind of was my thinking, whatever this phenomenon was. And, and I think in that way, you know, it's almost like a Doubting Thomas thing. Like God treated me like I was someone who needed to see. Despite all the information that I had gathered and, and all the sleuthing that I had done as a conspiracy theorist, and so much of it points straight back to Jesus, I needed to have this experience in order to turn around. And so I, I think in some ways that's why these ex. Occult members or ex witches have the most powerful testimony, because they're so familiar with it. If your bloodline is saved and you're still under the prayers of your parents and God is honoring those prayers and you've had a life where you didn't experience these things, like, that's one way to be. But I, I wouldn't change what I went through. And I think very much, you know, that idea of being a priest in your bloodline. My bloodline has got a pretty retarded priest, but here I am, and my bloodline was previously practicing all kinds of goofy crap.

[D]

Well, right.

[C]

This begs the question for me because I am, I'm concerned, I guess most people are concerned about, like, you know, I've got kids and I'm building. We have a house, we have stuff for them later, and then they're gonna have to get their own stuff. But like, I'm concerned about building the next step in this temporal realm for my kids. My parents have built a step, and then I took that step and I've done better. You know, previously my parents came from Puerto Rico and came here with nothing, lived in the projects and my dad was a mailman. And now I do better than him and my kid does better. And we're like, okay, we have a pretty decent format laid out for that here. On, On. On the spiritual, on. On the, the physical realm. Yeah, right. As long as I can keep my daughter off the pole and my son off drugs. They got a pretty good shot at taking the next step, maybe and doing something great. And that's like what we're pushing them toward. But spiritually, that fills me with a lot of concern because it's like, I can build as much as I can here. But there is example after example after example. I think most of the chat that you're seeing and most of the fans of this show are this generation that you're talking about that have this, well, which way Western, man.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Most of them stood at that bus stop.

[C]

Most of. Yeah, most of them are experiencers. And they keep coming back here because we keep pointing out the same thing. And they're on board. And it's exciting that they're on board. But like, like, we've essentially been knocked to this, this level one of spirituality. How do you build that for you? Like, when I'm dead and gone, what can I do for my grandkids? Like, can I plant a tree that firm in the ground?

[D]

Yes.

[C]

What are your suggestions, man?

[D]

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[D]

Does so. And I can't see the chat guys if anybody's saying anything in the chat. Two things.

[B]

It's for the best.

[D]

So the first thing you do for your generations is as you rise up in your priesthood, and you're to be clear, priesthood to God is ministering unto God in prayer. What it means to this people don't talk about this. What it means to Minister unto God is when I'm in the phase of ministering to God. I'll be outside at 12 midnight and I'd be like, lord, you are beautiful, you are powerful, you are gracious, you are glory, for you are the God of my family, you are my king, you are my Lord, you are my savior. I'm exalting him. And it's almost like you could call it like you buttering him up. That's what people would say. But I will sit there for hours and I would just exhaust everything I think about them and tell them like, I'm getting Holy Ghost chills now when I said that I'll exhaust everything I can think about them every everywhere I feel and I'll go back and say, you're the guy that kept me from getting hit with the bullets on such and such street. You're the God who gave me the $40,000 when things were going bad. And I thought it was in you were this you were this you. So ministering to him is that the next thing is praying to God. That prayer is where the intimacy comes from. So that's how you rise up your priesthood, right? If you do it consistently over and over and over and over and over again, same time or multiple same times a day. Now you're erecting an alter the prayer to the Lord because what happens is he expects you to be there at that time. There are angels that are expecting you to be there at that time. Like mine. One of my times is 3pm when 3pm hit, my ear started like. And I was like, well, Lord, I'm coming when this is over, right? But I know 3pm I didn't have to look at the clock. I Knew it was 3pm because there's an expectation. Hey, where's James at? He's supposed to be at three talking to me, right? Then the next thing is your children. You sit down with them and you teach them the word of God. The Bible says train a child up in the way he should go and when he gets old, he will not depart from the way. I think that's it. When you say train the child, most people think train a child's, teach them how to wash dishes. They think it's teaching them how to cut grass, but it's actually training them in the ways of the Lord. So you sit down with him, you give them the wisdom from Proverbs. Imagine your, your son understands the spirit of offense. He understands provoking experiences spirits. He understands Jezebel, he understands Ahab and Jezebel. He Understands leviathan and he's 19 years old going into the workplace, everything that would stress a 19 year old out or 20 year old out and turn them away from the Lord, they're prepared for it. So when they walk into their job and their boss is like, I get over here right now with your stupid behind. I told you, dude. They're gonna be like, this dude is a provoking spirit. I'm not about to let this dude provoke me. You're gonna sit back and chill and be like, well, you know what the judgment. Because he knows the judgment of a provoker is everybody turns against them.

[B]

Yep.

[D]

So everybody around them, they provoke it. And so what ends up happening is that knowledge is passed on through your bloodline. So you sit down and teach your kids. That's one of the things that Christians don't do. They outsource the teaching to Bible study, or they consider taking their kids to them at church on, on Sunday, where they take the kids outside of the kind of the big room where everybody is and put them outside on the playground. That's not rearing a child up. Kid need to be sitting there hearing the word. Right. And so that's the next phase. The next phase you go to is you work out a covenant with the Lord. You work out a covenant like I, my business is in covenant with him, so I don't get to decide certain stuff. I don't get to make no decision on, like today. If I'd have been busy, like, Lord, I'm busy. No, no, son, this is what we said we was going to do. And so then you hash out a covenant with him, which is an agreement. You already got a covenant, which is the blood covenant of Jesus Christ. You asked out an additional agreement. Lord, if I do this, then you do this. And how do we work out this, this, this? And then you include your bloodlines and your generations under that covenant with him. But I'm gonna do this right here. And Lord, I'm asking that you do this, this, this, this. For example, people don't understand the United States of America. The reason why United States of America is so prosperous is because the founding fathers dedicated this land to the Lord. Not the founding fathers. The people who landed here dedicated this land to the Lord. America is a nation that's in covenant with God. It's an altar to God. If you go back and look at the 1607 prayer from Reverend Hunt, he says, and I'm paraphrasing, we hereby dedicate this land and the people of his shores to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to rearing up children's, generations of children after us through exporting the gospel of Jesus Christ across seas. And I'm paraphrasing it, and to bringing the gospel of Jesus Christ to all the people on the shores of this nation that's creating the covenant with the Lord. Then you go, look at what George Washington said. Same thing. And so the founding fathers where everybody said, oh, they're Illuminati and they're Masons and they weren't Christians. It's a funny that that attack was put on them, but when you go back and read their writings, like, ah, this looks like a whole bunch of Christian writing, they refer to Jesus a whole lot. But nonetheless, the reason why the nation was so prosperous was because of that. Now, have we done wickedness? Absolutely. But why is the wickedness done against this nation is to destroy the covenant. So, for example, a Christian nation that's been a Christian nation, right before the 250th anniversary of that nation, like five years before, the borders opened up and brought all kind of people in with other religions and other fates. Well, the covenant was we're going to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to all the people in the shores of this nation. And they did that. Now you're bringing a whole bunch of other people to bring in their other gospels, bring other faiths and the other religions. I'm saying all that to say this, that those are the three phases that you go through. Hash out a covenant with the Lord. The other thing is you work for him, right? So your gifts and talents go to Him. So there's so many people that I've launched like YouTube channels for and sat down and consultant said, okay, you're gonna do this, you're gonna do this. This is how you launch a podcast. This is how you do this. And the Lord was like, not never say anything, don't say nothing. Just give them a thousand dollars, launch them and go. And I'd be like, hey, you know, that thousand dollars could have put some ties on the call, man, you know, no, son, do this. And so now your talents and your abilities go for him. And what happens is the people that I've launched, they're the people that they save, count towards my account in the kingdom. The people that they reach count towards my account for righteousness in the kingdom. So that's why I launch as many people as I can shoot now, because I understand how it works. So for you guys, it's a couple things. Like, I heard you guys talking last Night about the guy at the church that wanted to meet with y'. All. Go meet with him. Tell him, hey, man, I can't do no podcast for you, though, but I can show you how to do a podcast and go about your business and then let all the people that come in through that from you, helping them count as righteousness towards you in the kingdom. And then you do the next one, and then the next one, and then the next one. And you'll see that as you do those things, the Lord just continue to bless you and bless you and bless you. Because his ultimate goal, the reason why Jesus Christ died, was so that. No. That all could be saved and everybody would have everlasting life. You know what I'm saying? So he wanted people to be saved. That's his objective, is for people not to go to hell. And so when you're in line with that objective and your bloodline is in line with that objective, everything else is added on to your bloodline.

[C]

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. But I think what I'm missing, what I was missing is. I don't know. I don't. Like. I don't feel comfortable like. Like, being like, if you do this, then. If I do this, then you do this. But that seems to be the way God works.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that's what it says.

[C]

I know. I know. It's just. I. I hate doing that.

[B]

It feels. Yeah.

[C]

It feels wrong.

[B]

It feels like, who am I?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. But. But I. I think he likes that because it seems. He seems to respond to that and go, okay, yeah, we'll do that. But it's like, yeah, my. My life with what I. What I do. I'm like, what more could I do? What more can I do that's aiming at God? And sometimes it's like stupid things. Like, I don't know, people like, why are you playing guitar at this church? And I was like, I don't know. It's just a little thing. And it's more like, here you go. But now I gotta ask, like, if I do this, then will you do this?

[B]

And it.

[C]

Not Just. Not for, like, you know, money or whatever it is, but it's more for, like, when I'm gone, will you take care of the rest of this? That's actually, like, a meaningful ask. And I think I'm gonna start asking that, like, every time I do something that's interesting. Like, because that's really what I should be worried about. That's like, you know, we work hard and we do a lot of Stuff. And it's like, it's the pass down mammon to my kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That way they don't starve it or whatever. But it's like, that's the best I can do in this body.

[B]

I like what he's saying, particularly about, because my skill set is very limited, but I do this, so why couldn't I help other people who are oriented towards Jesus Christ do the same? And, you know, we help as far as, like, advice goes. And, you know, we helped Matt, Matt helped us, and we created this thing. And now, you know, together, straight Bible is. Is happening, and people are getting scripture and getting it unpacked, which is fantastic. But, like, yeah, we should be doing more of that because. Because I sometimes am sitting here, like, I don't know what I do well, but I also want to know what I should be doing.

[D]

That, please, you guys do well, I can tell you right now. So you could train people on not only how to speak in media, how to set up a podcast, but you can also help them develop a media personality because you guys have very strong personalities. Let me get back to what you were saying, Top. So you're talking about. You feel like it's a trend. It's being transactional with the Lord. Right. So it's kind of like if I do this, you do that. Right.

[C]

But, yeah, I wouldn't do that to my wife. You know, like, it seems weird, but.

[D]

But salvation was a transaction.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Jesus Christ is propitiation not only for my sins, but the sins of the entire world.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Meaning ransom of payment. So it's not that you're being transactional with the Lord. Like, lord, if you don't do this, I'm gonna do this. If you don't do this, I'm gonna stop. No, Lord, I want to make a spiritual transaction with you, Lord, this is what I'm offering now. People in darkness, they understand this. They'll go offer the whole damn bloodline to a mermaid spirit for my firstborn son, my firstborn grandson, and I want you to make me rich. Right? And Christians hear this all the time. And they're like, yeah, you know, the people, the witches dedicate, they. All I'm saying is this. Hey, Lord, this is what I want to do. I'm gonna give you your word. This is what you did for Abraham. This is what you did for Isaac. This is what you. What we got to do for you to do this for me. You know, I'm going to serve you, and I want some protection. I want my bloodlines. You Know, cleansed. I want to make sure that witches can't marry into my bloodline, right? I want to just list this. This is what I want to do. Propose to the Lord. He'll come back and say yes or no. It may take him a while, but I know from doing it and making a covenant, then adding amendments to the covenant to adding this to the covenant, every time, he like, okay, I like that. But I hold up my end to the bargain, which is, hey, son, you told me, whoever I want to bless, I can bless through you. Whoever I want to save, I can save to you. Whoever I want to help, I can help through you. That's how broad mine is. So I could be sitting in the car with $5 in my pocket with five miles of gas. Hey, James, give that lady $5. Really, Lord? You know, I got $5 left. Get the lady $5, ma'.

[A]

Am.

[D]

Here you go. Then I go to the gas station, somebody be like, hey, let me just pay for your gas for your tank up. The Lord is telling me to help you and be like, boy, you. Boy, you know, you something else, Lord.

[A]

You, you.

[D]

Wow. You know what I'm saying? But that's my agreement. Whoever he wants me to help, I' ma help because he needs people that are vessels that he can function through. And so that's the. That's what he wants. And through that vessel, that lady getting that $5. I don't know what that $5 meant, but I can guarantee you that lady had just said, lord, I need help. If you just give me $5, I can do this. This. He was like, oh, really? I'm gonna take you up for one of. James. You drive right by. Get that $5. Bing. And she probably was like, what? I just asked for that $5. This is crazy. But he has a vessel that he can function through that can fulfill that need for that individual. So, yeah, don't feel bad about it. And everything is a spiritual transaction, man. Like, I did a video on this today about provoking spirits and how we were provoked into the Iranian war. Well, when you find yourself being provoked or incited or moved in a different direction, you just made a transaction with that spirit. It was, why when Jesus met Satan on the mountain and Satan was trying to make an exchange with him, if thou be the son of God, turn this stone into bread. Jesus like, nah, homie, no, no. Man shall not live by bread alone. But every word that proceeded about the mouth of the Lord trick, back up off me, homie. Because he was trying to make a Transaction right, with Jesus. So you can say, yeah, yeah, you know, you listen to me. So since you listen to me, you a servant of mine and Jesus like, nah, dog, that's not how man throw yourself off this mountain because. Because the word of God says that the, the, the Lord, the angels won't let you dash your foot upon a stone, man. Get behind me though, you retarded. That's fake. With the Sir I beautiful behind me, retard. I'm going by my business. That's what he said. So yeah, when you understand it's a person that has a pornography habit, that's spiritual transaction. A person who has a hardcore drug habit, you making a spiritual transaction. The whole real spirit realm works on legalities and transactions. And so once you understand that, what's wrong with you making a transaction, doing business with the Lord, man? That's what altars are there for. That's why you have an altar of prayer. If you go say, lord God, I've been suffering and my car's broken and I really need you to help. Now I'm not being mocking you just like, lord, I want to help me with my car. Because this, this, this, this, this what you think happened? You had faith. You showed your faith in the Lord by going to him and then somebody just pulled up and changed the tire on your car because you had a flat tire. That was a transaction that just happened with the Lord. Your currency was faith. And that's what it is. That's why watch this. That's why these spooky hookah people. You're sitting in the bed at night, you're laying there and you feel something sliding under the covers. Then your right butt cheek gets squeezed and start to spread the cheek. You're like, what the hell going on in the name of Jesus? You acted on faith.

[C]

Yeah.

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Now here's the craziest thing, ladies and gentlemen. We are God's currency. So he wants to spend us on people. Like this quarter right here. You can't really see this, but who. Who on the quarter? What's this dude name? Whoever's on the quarter. It's got the face on it, right?

[C]

It's not George Washington. I don't know.

[D]

There's an image on the money, right? We're made in God's image and likeness. So what he wants to do is spend us to bring more people into the kingdom. You are his currency. Wow. I'd be like, okay, God, spend me. What you want to do? Go do this. All right, let's go. And let them spend you, you know?

[B]

So.

[C]

So sorry. I feel like every. Every time he talks about. But it's like. It is this, like, principle of. Of just asking or, like, being like, yeah, I want this now, you know? And, yeah, you see people.

[B]

He's like, let's build something. Let's do this.

[C]

But I mean, you see people do this in real life, where they go. They just ask people stuff, and you're

[D]

like, that was really forward.

[B]

I can't believe you just asked.

[C]

And then they get it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And then they get it.

[C]

Yeah. And it's like, I don't. I hate it operate. I hate operating a closed mouth.

[B]

Doesn't get fed kind of a deal. Yeah, but.

[C]

But then know, like, that's not my personality type. I like. I work as hard as I can.

[B]

Yeah, but you know what. What was Matt reading from scripture the other day about the. The servant who got the provisions that he needed, and then he. And he buried him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then he was called wicked for it. Yeah, that's true.

[C]

So, like, we got all this spiritual cash. I'm like, I'm not cashing out. I'm just kind of like, I'm just gonna work harder.

[B]

And. And I mean, you should work, right? Like, God wants you to. To work and build things. But, yeah, faith. Faith is the real currency. You know, these. These people that are in the occult now, I don't want to keep you too much longer, James. I'm very sorry about that.

[D]

If you gotta go, I got till 4 o'. Clock. We good? Don't worry. We good. I was writing a note because stuff. Being told, I'm skipping stuff and I'm supposed to say, I'll just write a note. Go ahead.

[B]

Okay. So. So, you know, these occultists and these Wiccans and everything, they understand the, the currency, the exchange that the spiritual realm operates off of a lot better than other people. And I would argue a lot better than like sort of lukewarm Christians who are just going through the motions. Understand? And I was, I was listening to this woman on a previous episode and she was talking about how she was a witch. We just, I just picked the clip because it looked like it would be interesting. We talk about it on our show and I. And we ended up watching it and, and finding this woman who.

[C]

She's a.

[B]

She's a witch, a practitioner, and, and someone came to her for a cleansing. Long story short, she couldn't do the cleansing because the woman who wanted the cleansing had entered into an exchange with a spirit and owed a blood debt. And until that blood debt had been paid, she couldn't do anything.

[C]

And she knew, she knew about the blood.

[B]

She understood how it all worked and

[C]

wasn't willing to break it or pay it.

[B]

And, and because of that, her son was now suffering like that. You know, the debt was going to be collected in one way or another. And it was like they're using the same language and Christians will say this all the time. The debt has been paid. It's like, yeah, that blood debt has been paid and we were brought. So God does this sacrifice, right? And there is this ultimate price, the pure sacrifice, the best sacrifice. He does it better than any of these other entities or anything else can. And then what does he use to. To that. That currency on. He uses it on us to buy us. So that woman, even though she's having this conversation and she's like, oh, there's a blood debt that's owed and everything, like that debt has been paid.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

And that's what she doesn't realize. It's, it's, it's actually remarkable because they understand these principles and they're using the same language, but that woman could be freed of that if she accepts Jesus Christ and pleads the blood of Christ over this situation. Like this bond can be broken. She no longer owes that debt. That debt has been.

[C]

Yeah, but she'd have to submit to something.

[B]

She'd have to submit to something. But right now, her son is suffering because of this debt. And it's like. Like. What I really appreciate about this conversation, James, is. Is not only for myself, but I imagine there's a ton of listeners who are going to hear this. This. This way that you engage with God is hugely important. And I feel like even so many of us who call ourselves Christians are. Are missing that.

[C]

I mean, baffled as how to go about it, because it's not. It's not how you operate in. In this world in a way.

[B]

But.

[D]

But.

[B]

But occultists know how to do it and witches know how to do it, and all these different, you know, people who are practicing divination and this and that, they know how to do it. They don't have Christ in their life.

[D]

Right.

[B]

So they're missing this huge fundamental. But they speak the language, they know how to do it. And just hearing the way that you're laying it out is like, man, it. It makes so much sense.

[C]

Yeah. As a matter of fact, before I walked out of the house today, I saw these two papers because my. My aunt had came from Coney island and she was. She was like, married to the pastor, but she. Now, I don't know, whatever. She came and she dedicated my kids a couple of years ago. And I saw the papers of the dedication, and I looked at it. I was like, that's stupid. I just. I don't know if it felt weird, but, like, as we're talking about this now, I'm thinking about those papers, like,

[B]

yeah, legally binding paperwork, dog.

[C]

I should probably frame that. It's a legally binding paper that I gave my kids to God.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And at the time, it was just. It just seemed like a prayer. This was like, I don't know, years ago, probably.

[B]

It's remarkable that those principles have survived in the church, but how many of us don't even. She's.

[C]

I don't even think she's aware of that.

[B]

Right. Like, what does that even really mean? To contextualize it or to put it into practical use?

[C]

Maybe she does because she printed it out and mailed it from New York to Florida to me. So it's like, obviously it meant, like, she understands the ramifications of it. I wish that she would have explained it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because it's a.

[B]

Well, if you were you even ready to hear it.

[C]

I don't know. I don't know, man.

[D]

Watch this. Guys, let me. Let me jump in right here.

[B]

Yeah, go ahead.

[D]

So there's a point. There's this cycle and. Let Me talk to the audience. All right, So I just, I just won't get their response. I don't know how old everybody is, but if you got somebody my age, which I'm 49, all the way down to their 20s, we can talk about this cycle, right? So there's this cycle that we go through as men and women in life. So at a young age, we think we know what's supposed to be done, we know what's right. We go out, we march into the world, and then we hit a peak and then we crash and we circle back around, and then we hit a peak and we crash and we circle back around. By the time people get to be about 50, 60 years old, they've come to the understanding that, number one, they don't know what to do. Number two, they don't know how to do it. Number three, they're not good at doing it. And number four, they need help. The reason why people come to that understanding is because of God has made executive decisions about their life. So there's the executive court of heaven, and that's where God the Father and the Son, they make all their decisions. They decide what your anointing is, what your, what they want you to do for your life. An executive decision was, for example, let us make man in our own image and likeness. That was a decision that they made to make man right. Angels ain't got nothing to do with that. Satan don't know nothing about it. It's just them, right? It's why Satan lost at the cross. Because the Bible says that Jesus Christ was slain before the foundation of the world. So before he was anywhere around, Jesus Christ was slain in the spirit realm. So he didn't know. Satan didn't know, so he couldn't stop it. All right, just for those who be like, you don't know what you're talking about. The Bible says, somewhere in the Bible it says, for if they had known, they would not have sacrificed, allowed the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. But anyway, the point I'm making is this. There's these cycles that we go through and the cycles are cycles of self where there's things that are broke off you. Like you. Most people believe that they can do it. Like, you know, I won't do this because I could do it on my own. I'm work harder, I'm gonna work harder, things are going to work out better. But we were made insufficient on purpose. This is one of the things that people come to really realize when they have the paranormal. Cryptid encounters. You realize how insufficient you are when something climbing in the bed at night, when the shadows walking in the room, when somebody's like in your closet going, you're like, oh, hell, what I'm gonna do about this? So people who experience this stuff, they realize how insufficient they are real quickly, right? And what ends up happening is those people who realize that insufficiency, they try and find some kind of solution. Some find Jesus, some find witchcraft. But you remember the story of Jonah and God sending him to Nineveh? It was God had a plan for him to go to Nineveh. He didn't listen. He freaked out, ran, jumped on the boat. The boat. The waves started going crazy. The people on the boat, they started saying, well, let's go talk to our gods, our little G gods and see what's up. They come back, they God's like, I ain't got nothing to do with that. Who is it? They go down to Jonah say, homie said, bro, why don't you talk to your guy? You down here sleeping, we about to drown. Talk to your guy and find out what's going on. So Jonah's like, well, it's my fault because I was supposed to be going to do this and not God punishing it all. And then so all those people on that boat, this is what happens when you, when you, when you allow yourself not to follow what the Lord wants you to follow. Because either you're being hard headed or you don't know. So it's better to spend time with him early to find out what he wants you to do. And then if you're just hard headed, now you Jonah on the boat, right? So what happens is that all those people who ex watch what you go through, they turn to the Lord because they like, oh man, this is crazy. So all those people in that boat was turning and praising Lord, making sacrifice to the Lord. Jonah, stupid behind, gets thrown off the boat into the belly of a well. Then he writes this long soliloquy. Like if, you know, hey, if I pray from the belly of a well, you hear me from, you know, the seaweed is covering me over by the bing bada boom. This the, the whale spits him up right on the coast outside of Nineveh. And he still got to go to Nineveh anyway, right? Gets the Nineveh. The people listen, they repent, they fast, the animals fast by the bing bada boom. Later on, God comes and punishes them because they go back into wickedness. The point I'm making is this, that there's A process in life. And it's a part of men's life cycles where they have success and then they have failure. They have success and they have failure. It could be an air. It may not be in all areas of life, but you're going to experience in an area of your life, and that area of your life is going to show that you're insufficient, and that insufficiency is what ends up leading people to God. So when you. When you hear people say stuff like, well, I'm not sure of this. You know, I got to do this. I'm gonna do it on my own. That's because they haven't come to the point of understanding they're insufficient. For me, it was easy because I had to deal with Hurricane Katrina. I had to deal with divorce. I mean, I had to deal with so much stuff all at once. It's like, man, I can't deal with none of this. I got demons coming after me. I got buildings flooding. I got, you know, so you could do it the easy way or the hard way, you know, and that's what I tell people all the time. Do it the easy way. Now, you can do it the hard way, but you might. You'll burn out years of your life and you get to be 60 years old, and then you'll come to the Lord. And now that time has been wasted where you could have. You could have skyrocketed and did so much for the kingdom of God, but also thereby doing so much for yourself. And it's about understanding that you were made insufficient on purpose. You're made to be in partnership with the spirit, and that spirit is the spirit of the Lord, the reason why the demonic spirit and why the kingdom of darkness and witches, which they. You understand that the average witch doesn't read the Bible five times. I know that to be true because I've been talking to witches and they'd be like, well, the Bible said this, this. And I'd be like, well, yeah, it say this, this, this, this, this, this. I'm like, damn, you really read the Bible, huh? Yeah, I read it because they're forced to read it. Their system forces them to do these things because the spirits, that they have altars to punish them. Their systems are systems of punishment. You know what I'm saying? We don't have that same system of punishment. So people kind of just la, la, la, la. I'm going to church on Sunday. I don't feel like going to church. I'm not gonna pray to Jesus because there's not this system that's hardcore like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So essentially, guys, it all boils down to God reaching out to you in every way, shape or form.

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[C]

The audience knows you weren't listening.

[B]

I. I had that happen and, and shout out to Laura Baker because she does deliverance. And there was a time where I was pretty clearly being told to do something and I didn't. I didn't do it. And then all of a sudden, I'm very familiar with all the weird, spooky stuff. All of a sudden it started happening again. And it was pretty shortly lived before I drew the correlation, like, oh, this is disobedience. Like, I've got to repent for my disobedience. And that's one of the things I've been struggling with lately is like, I, you know, Matt was also reading scripture about. It was the same. It was the same scripture, and it was talking about being faithful with the small things and then being Entrusted with more, you know. You know, after displaying that faithfulness with whatever small thing that, that God has given you. And, and I've been in a state of frustration lately with my own self because I can look through hindsight and see pretty clearly now, which thank God that he's allowed me to see, because I think when you have a spiritual blindness, that's often a punishment for not being willing to see the truth. And God will, you know, show you whatever it is you want to see. So I'm. I'm pumped that I can see it in hindsight, but I can see it as like, oh, there was these opportunities several times where God, you know, sent provision one way or another or told me to do a thing after I asked to be a servant, and then I dragged my feet or I just simply didn't do it, or, you know, whatever, just, just any number of. Of things. And then, you know, then I've got these questions about, like, well, why isn't the, the show where it should be yet? Or why isn't this happening? Or why isn't that happening? It's like, well, God has repeatedly come to me and given me either a small task or provision to do something with, and I've been retarded about it, but thank God he's allowed me to see that. But it's just been this thing that's been weighing, not weighing on me. It's this conversation, I think, that I've been having with God lately where I'm like, I see these things, I'm, I'm repenting, I'm remorseful for these things. I'm trying to, you know, sort of rectify them. But then you see instances of that exact behavior in the Bible. You know, it's the nature of us, I suppose. But, yeah, all, all of this is just hitting home in such a big way as to how it works, how the communication works, what you're asked to do, what you should be doing. You know, I, I, like I said almost, almost foolishly, I have this notion from time to time, like, oh, Lord, you know, I, I wish I could hear you more. Help me to hear you more. Help me to understand what it is you want me to do. And then I'm kind of smacked with the idea of, like, you have been given a couple of opportunities to do a thing and you've not done a thing, and God has still blessed me.

[C]

But, like, there's certainly a weird. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's a weird spirit of, like, stupid. Yeah, you call it.

[B]

That.

[C]

But like. Like, I've done it so many times. I've got the thing. We've got the tool.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To build what I need to build. And then you go, I can't muster up the strength to do it right now. Or I can't muster up the.

[B]

Just dragging the willpower to do it.

[C]

Like, I'll do other stuff, but then when I look at. I don't know. It could be anything in my life. I've got so many different things, like tools that I need to use to build things that I want to build that I know will be great.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then you look at it and it goes. Oh, it's like a daunting.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I get a little sense here.

[B]

It's like, heavy on you, but we've not actually talked about.

[C]

It feels heavy when you, like.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I'll buy like a. I bought that. The very expensive laser printer.

[B]

Sure, sure.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. For a long time, I didn't even hook it up because I would look at it and I go, oh, that would be. It's heavy to hook up, man. And then I go, I feel heavy because I didn't hook it up.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's just something on you and you. And then you end up doing everything else but what you're supposed to do. And there's so many things in life that come through, then they kick your ass until finally you go, all right, you know what? Fine, I'll do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[C]

So people.

[B]

GPI said, the spirit of procrastination. And Wade said, God, Hyster, staring at Raven, waiting for him to do something. I have. The amount of times I've come to God because, like, I have this spirit of procrastination, and it falls right under this spirit of. Of. Of sloth. Right.

[D]

Like, there are these.

[B]

These sins or these spirits that, you know, the sort of, like, major categories that have subcategories and procrastination is definitely under there. And it's that. It's like. Yeah, there's like a heaviness that prevents me from moving, but it. And I can't do it on my own. And. And so I asked for help. But it's just. What's very clear to me is. And especially in these past. This past week or so has been this kind of internal struggle with the Lord where it's like, hey, dummy, I. I've given you things. I've given you things, and I've told you to do things, and you're not faithful. With the small things. And all I can say on that is, like, thank God. Our God is a forgiving God and a patient God, because, you know, I'm like, getting my ass up, and I'm. I'm doing it. And. But McMahon, humans suck. I suck in a lot of ways. And. And, like, you know, and that's another thing I'm trying to do, too, is like, I can't do it. I need. I need God. I can't do these things. I need God. But, man, the.

[D]

Watch this, though. Watch this. I'm. We gonna corner phrase. Y' all should write this book. Retarded Obedience to God, man. That's a bad y'.

[A]

All.

[D]

Write a book. Retarded Obedience to God. Watch this. People hear me say this on interviews, and I'd be like, yo, I just made myself be a retard. As pertains to God. I'm a very intelligent man, but when God says, do something, I said, I'm just gonna be retarded. Like yesterday, I'm sitting there and the book is sold, and I'm having the conversation, well, we need to do this course, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What do you want to do? What do you want to price the course? What do you want to do?

[C]

This.

[D]

What do you want to do?

[C]

This?

[D]

And he don't say nothing. So I'm like, all right, you're not talking to me. I'm gonna start doing the work, right? Because I'm. I know that's the end goal. So I started doing the work. He said, stop doing that work. I was like, well, we set this goal to do this, this, this. No, relax. You need to do something else first. Now, the normal James Williams, the engineer, says, no, this task is going to take me four hours to do. I'm gonna do this task in four hours, and it'll be done. But the retarded, obedient person says, well, he said, don't do it. So I'm just not gonna do it. So now I'm sitting there doing nothing, and I'm just like, okay, so I'm not doing nothing. What you want me to do? And then a little while later, a conversation will happen where I would have been distracted, where the guy needed to talk to me, and they got the phone with the conversation. See, if you'd have been doing that, you wouldn't took that phone call, and I wouldn't be able to help that person with that spirit offense to keep them from doing this. And I was like, okay. That's when I learned to Just be retardedly obedient because it's a choice. So just obedience. You guys got a group called the Y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

I'll call you. Listen to retards. Everybody. Just be retardedly obedient to the Lord. You just get led and guide in the right direction. It's kind of like you just forest gump, but you forest Gump and he leading and guiding you. And then people like, well, how did you do that? Well, I mean, I'm just retarded. I just do what he tell me to do. Then there's safety in that, because if I do what you told me to do, hey, I'm not really accountable. You told me to do that. So I check with it, make sure, hey, is this you? Or there's something else trying to tell me to do something. And it may even be a day where I take a day or so and be like, all right, well, make sure this is what you're telling me to do. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you to do. Okay. I ain't even accountable for it no more because I'm just gonna go do it because you told me to do it. You're accountable for it. Let me go do it. Boom. And I don't worry about it.

[B]

That's huge. That's huge. This. This conversation is.

[C]

Well, that's the time of the episode now.

[D]

I love that, man.

[B]

I love that. You know, that's the spirit of. The idea of, like, dangerous retards is this idea of, like, if the. If the status quo in the material realm is satanic, you know, all these. All these things that are constantly tempting you, and, you know, you're dealing with your own flesh, and you're dealing with the whisperings of demons and everything, then it's. It's inherently dangerous to that status quo to be oriented with God. And then the. The. You know, it's dangerous. So the. The part is like, yeah, we deal in a lot of information, but more and more, we try to move in. In a. In a spiritual way where it's like, you know, you retard this idea of information. You could have all the information you want. I'm not dealing in intellect. You know, that's not what we do so much. There's times for it, for sure. You know, I'm grateful for the body of knowledge that I have on any given subject. But. But mostly we're just trying to be moved by the spirit, you know, the Holy Spirit, wherever it wants us to go.

[C]

So I actually. I was We've been going an hour and a half on. I want to respect your time, especially with prayer coming up, but.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

I want to bring it back to the beginning sort of in a way we're talking about cryptids and things like that. And, and I think the moral of that beginning section of this show was these people that are indulged in this information or, or, or have dove head deep into this world where they are now neck deep and they're swimming in waters that they don't quite understand. There's somebody that does come to mind and it reminded me of your story with the finger in the throat and all that. And I don't know how I didn't pick up on this immediately, but there's a guy, Nathaniel Gillis.

[D]

Oh yeah.

[C]

He's. He's really, he's great, great investigator, researcher, paranormal. What would you call him? Like a paranormal scientist in a way.

[B]

He, he's. Yeah. I mean he's, he's blanket termed the entire spiritual thing the phenomenon and he's looking at it from a bunch of different angles. It's hard to say. But so what you study. Exactly.

[C]

He's looking at it and some of his ideas I think are correct and they're actually kind of. Some of them are astounding and they've helped me. But the way he's positioned is not necessarily with Jesus Christ. And you can tell that he's paid.

[B]

He's got a heavy spirit.

[C]

He's not just a heavy spirit, but he seems like he's paying like a physical toll. And if I'm saying too much about. I don't. Honest, I don't care.

[B]

I love Nathaniel. It's not to get it twisted at all.

[C]

Yeah. He was on our show and he was talking about these things with us and at one point he starts to choke.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

During the show. And he chokes for maybe 15 minutes.

[B]

He never recovers. We actually have to bring the show in for a landing.

[C]

Yeah. I'm watching him get like glossy eyed because he can't swallow. But he didn't drink anything. Maybe he didn't even. He need anything. Maybe had a sip of water and it was almost like I. If you could see into this, if you had some Dicenian glass and you could see in the spiritual realm something had its hand around his throat or in his mouth.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like he was saying earlier and was choking him.

[C]

As he's telling us this information, he's revealing like the, the spiritual realm of like we're talking about aliens. He's talking about the actual nature of this stuff and he's pointing directly at it with great evidence. But again he's, he's like digging through

[B]

this stuff without, he's almost doing it on his own, right?

[C]

Yeah, completely on his own. Doing it on his own, on his own intellect without the protection of Jesus. And I don't, I, I like at the time, like, I don't, I don't even know how to like reach somebody like that because I know if I just approach someone like that in a ham fisted way, it's going to be like shirked aside and I'll have done more harm than good. So I'm like reading the situation and I don't know but like I, I don't know. The best I could think now is like say a prayer for him as we close out. But it just reminded me as you were talking because that, that again is the lesson of that story and even like the lesson of what we're kind of coming, coming into what we've come into with NDS where it's like we talk about this stuff, but so what? Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Leave it at the door once this is done. We've pointed you in the correct direction, but definitely know that that actually happens. Yeah, yeah, but go the other way.

[B]

Everything that you do, it's like you're reaching into this dark, you know, these dark waters and you're pulling out Christ and it's like showing that to everybody. That's, that's the goal. Yeah, I think with, with, with all of this, it took a while for me to realize that, but it was much like the conversation we had with Timothy Alberino when, when I was, you know, kind of giving it to him. And he goes, look, the people who made the Age of Disclosure documentary aren't Christian. That's why they're not mentioning these things. And I said that's a mistake to explore this phenomenon.

[D]

Right.

[B]

To explore the dark beyond the bus stop, you know, or any of these things without Christ. Right. Christ is the lantern that lights your feet. Like without that you're screwed. You're screwed. And if you're really going to start delving into this phenomenon, if you're going to start delving into aliens, if you're going to start delving into.

[C]

And the way this guy is doing, the way that Nathaniel Gillis is doing it, I'm telling you man, it's like he's right up in these things face. He's pointing at him, but pretty accurately and he's Perceiving now the threat that comes back at him, but you've got no recourse for it, you know? And it's. It's sad, but it's something I've been thinking about a lot.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Thinking about a lot about.

[D]

Let me say this about that. I don't know the guy, but, you know, there's a guy that you guys should have on. I'm trying to hook it up. Justin Dudemeyer. He's called the Blind Exorcist, actually. Guy's really cool. And one of the things that him and I had a conversation about was soul ties, because I always thought a soul tie was, you know, you had sex with somebody and you had a soul tie. And I was like, you know, break all the soul ties with all the strippers ever had sex with my life.

[B]

So.

[A]

And.

[D]

And he. And I having this conversation, and he's talking about my cryptic background and da, da, da. And he's like, well, James, he said, have you broken the soul ties between you and every entity that the witnesses that talk to you were in. In covenant with? I said, yeah, I've done that. I said, but I'm about doing whatever. We can break everything. And so then he starts going deeper into soul ties. And he says, you know, every time a person explores various different things, and they give it so much too much attention, they start to create soul ties. He's like, you can have a soul tie to a natural disaster, which is a moment in time where you had trauma. You can have a soul tie to a person. You can have a soul tie to a group of people. And so he starts breaking it down. I'm like, whoa, whoa, hold on, buddy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So what you're trying to tell me is I ain't cut everything? I said, because I ain't know about none of that. And I was like, we need to deal with this right now. And he was just looking at me like, this dude is crazy. I'm like, no, we're gonna deal with this right now, bro. He's like, james, chill out, man. I said, I want to deal, so we deal with it. Now watch this. He leads me through it, and I could have did it myself, but my thing is, you know, if this. What, you know, I'm. Look, I want to be humble. I want to be obedient. Boom. He does it. I agree with him as we do that, the Lord says, turn your neck to the right. I turn my neck to the.

[B]

The right.

[D]

I said, hey, man, that pain in my neck is Gone. He said, huh? Turn your neck to the left. Turn to the right. I said, lord, you trying. The dude is talking. I'm in my brain. Like, literally, if you could see. Remember on the movie with Vin, not Vin Reigns, when Vin Diesel and they were fighting the aliens, it's like Rick and they pull the soul out of the person. You see the person's soul.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Would have came out. Been looking up like this. Lord, you trying to tell me my neck been hurting that long time? Because I didn't know about that, because that's what I was like. This is crazy. So for a man like him, he's tied to all those different things. And it's like, imagine you trying to walk forward in life. This is what happens to the audience. That auntie who said something bad about you that brought you into offense. You got tired of that. That mama or that dad who said you weren't good enough. That coach that said you suck. The classmate who bullied you. You got all these strings hooked to your back of you like a damn, like you stuck in a matrix. And you not just have one thing in your head. You got to alter your body. You just walking along slow like this, like, I'm gonna make it. And you wondering why things are going bad because you need to break all that off you. And then you'll notice once you break it off, you're like, man, I broke that off me. My knee stopped hurting. I've been sleeping better. My head feel lighter, and I feel clearer. Because you're carrying all that spiritual baggage. Now, you take the context of this guy, and if I'm hearing right, he's not a Christian, but he's doing demonology. If you're not a Christian and you're doing demonology, then you just going into a hornet's nest and whipping out your penis and slapping on the hornet's nest with your penis. That's all you're doing. Like, bro, stop. You just. You just pop, like African killer bees. You're just gonna walk up and just pow, hit them with your penis. What are you crazy? Nah, bro, Nah. Because. And then you have entities that have standing in the realm of spirit. So there's entities that are princes, they're entities that are kings, they're entities that are thrones and dominions. They got legal right to do what they do. And you like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and bully them. No, they got a legal right to be where they at. You ain't you going in there messing with them if you don't even Understand the legal right that they have, then you going in and messing with their agreements and all the rest of this stuff. But legally they're right. You wrong.

[B]

They're right. Yeah.

[D]

That person, for example, let's say you're going to try and cast a. The demon, not a person. And that. That person. That demon has a legal stronghold on that family. Because great grandma went to the waters and said, I'm gonna drown this baby in the waters and I'm gonna give this baby to mama new. The spirit of the water. And then you're like, yeah, I'm going. I'm gonna deliver that family from that. But you going without Jesus. Okay? I don't. I don't know how that's gonna work out. I don't know how it's gonna work out. Now maybe. Maybe use the name of Jesus. I don't know. I'm not talking about you. Mr. Gill's bad because I don't know you. The point I'm making is, in general, that's not gonna work out good. You're gonna have. You're gonna have all that stuff attached to you, and it's gonna carry with you everywhere you go. And then anybody you come into Covenant with is going attached to them. And then there's just. It just get bad. Now imagine someone. Not Mr. Gills, but just imagine someone that has the same profile that goes from house to house to house to house, situation, situation, situation, situation. And there's a crowd of a thousand demons walking behind them. And they think, bring a thousand demons to your house because they're doing a paranormal investigation. They didn't bring a thousand more demons to the hospital. Didn't bring a thousand. Man. Oh, hell no. Hell no.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You know, that. That's something I was talking about the other day was there are instances that you can stop, you know, let's say a sleep paralysis thing or what, But. But in order to be free, and you never really. I mean, you're always going to be influenced. They're always going to be looking for a way that you sin so that they can whisper in your ears, so that they can pull on this proclivity that you have in that proclivity. But this spiritual rectification is a process. It's a process. And. And like a courtroom, if you're not addressing various crimes or. Or bringing this up to the judge or that up to, you know, your. Your defendant or this and that, it's just not going to get addressed. And. And so in that way, I think it is dependent on what You've got going on. It can be a process of. Of many, many years. I wonder, before we let you off the hook, James, do you think as you. As you sever these ties and as you kind of clean house, can you perceive the Lord more clearly? Does your connection almost like a phone line, does it get a little bit clearer? Does it get a little bit louder as you start to remove some of these attachments?

[D]

Yes. There's less noise is what you're talking about. So when you. When you communicate with the Lord, there's always.

[B]

There's.

[D]

For me, it's always been noise where I'm trying to talk to him. And even. It's like, even in your mind, like you're in the middle having a conversation. Boom, A distraction or trying pop into your mind. And it's like you thinking of you talking, Lord, the boom. Something pops into your mind and distract you. And over time, I trained myself to be like, nah, that's not real. That's something that happened to me when I was 16 years old. That's a distraction. Lord. I'm back to talking to you about this, this, this. What happens is as you go through this process of whether it be going into the courts of heaven and working on sin, iniquity, and transgression through prayer. Just to be clear with you guys, the book about you've been served is about how to pray. It's just how to pray prayers into the courts of heaven. But outside of that, as you start working through the Holy Spirit delivering you and working on you and refining you, what ends up happening is your brain gets more peaceful, your spirit becomes more peaceful, you become more peaceful. Peaceful. Guys, that book is 99 cent. So much. Yeah, it's 99 cents. So, yeah, bro. Y' all ain't been watching my videos. Like, that was the biggest thing because I was like, lord, okay, we got this book. We're gonna charge 12 for this book. I've been working on this book. I was like, I rebuke you, Satan. Satan. The Lord would never tell me 99. Oh, really? 99 cents, bro. Before the reason why the book took so long, because I was like, I'm a fast. I'm gonna pray. Make sure this ain't Satan trying to tell me 99 cent. 99 cents. Then one day, I'm sitting outside, I'm smoking cigar, I'm doing some work, and I'm hearing 99 cent. 99 cent. Real funny. Okay, the book gonna be 99 cents.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

So the book goes to be 99 cent. And I'm delaying. Remember, you talk about the spirit of procrastination, right? So I'm like, man, this book nine, this don't make no damn sense. I'm not putting this book out there. Really not putting the book out. Put the book out, son. I put the book out. He says, now send an email out about the book. Send it. I'm like a pouty kid. I'm like, Damn, 99 cent. He go to email. Who good is it? And I'm like, I'm going inside at like one o' clock in the morning. I just wake up and I'm like, okay, they got to be a demon around here. I don't get woke up like that. And the Lord says, go look at Amazon. Pull up my phone. My eyes, I got cold in my eyes. I'm done.

[C]

Like this

[D]

Amazon bestseller. Wow. I said, well, why, why did. He said, now you got the best seller rating. He said, so now wait till you get the two best seller ratings. He said, then I want you to teach a course. And I was like, oh, so the course gonna be 99 cent too, huh? Huh? The course gonna be 99 cent. Two, he ain't say nothing. So I was like, well, I work for you, so whatever you want me to do, do it. So it's. But it's Amazon bestseller number seven in spiritual warfare, ranking number one in prayer. It's ranked all over the place.

[B]

Wow, that's incredible. That's incredible.

[D]

I would have never put no book in no damn 99 cent. I was talking about it like a month. I was like, guys on the channel, guys, Lord, tell me this book need to be 99 cents. That don't make no damn sense. And everybody's like, damn, you tripping. Like, nah. He's saying. And I'm just, just going off like, man, I'm like, this is crazy. But anyway, one more thing I want to add about those people, guys that. So you'll understand this. And it'd be because it kind of can sit in your spirit wrong. When you see an individual who, you know, has an altar to another God leading Christians astray. When you look at James 3:1, it talks about teachers. And when you look at what he means by teachers, it's talking about not just men of God, not just pastors, but it's saying, teachers, if you teach something, then your judgment is the judgment of a teacher. It's more harsh judgment. So when you're dealing with guys who, who are on the mountain of influence with you and you know their teaching was not Right. Know that their judgment is much more harsh than anybody else. That's how come I can see somebody. And they'd be like, man, James, you saw this guy. This guy was saying that the Holy Spirit was. Is a demon. I'm like, yeah, that's. Wow. He gonna burn in hell. You know what I'm saying? Not just go about my business, because I understand that the judgment of a teacher is more harsh. So it's like, yeah, you sitting around here, call yourself teaching people and leading people and leading the flock, and you lead them to hell, you gonna get punished. And so I just let it go, and I don't worry about it. But it's something that'll help you guys and anybody else who's, like, when you see somebody who's leading people astray, including a Christian, then, yeah, the judgment is going to be extremely harsh on them. And so the judgment is kind of baked into the crime, man.

[B]

Yeah. You don't play with God. Right. You don't want to, you know, claim to be in alignment with the Lord and serving the Lord and then be leading his flock astray. That's a. That's a lot worse than being, you know, in cahoots with a. With a demon or something like that.

[C]

It's dangerous territory for anybody talking to us right now. So, yeah, yeah. If you intend to do this thing and intend to claim God, well, you

[D]

know, just be reportedly obedient. You better be serious. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Amen. Okay.

[A]

All right.

[B]

This is fantastic. I want to put a pin in it right there. James, this has been incredibly helpful. You know, once again, the audience already knows James, one of my favorite people this has been. I'm glad that. That God put whatever notion in your mind to reach out to. To us in the first place. That was an incredible thing, and I. I think only God could have done that, because if you would have just been scrolling across our content, I'm sure you'd have been like, not these guys, Lord. So I'm grateful for that. Before we get out of here, James, let's remind everybody. Where can people find all these resources? We got to get more than a few of these books for the. Because we have a Christian library here in the back, and. And I would love to have the books here in studio. So afterwards, I think we're gonna have to hit your website and get a few. But where can people find all this?

[D]

So go to iamjameswilliams.com that's where you'll find what the book is you get the free ebook download on pray. I would encourage you to do that and get the little book for 99 cents. You can find me at Dark Waters on YouTube channel. And if you look into scary spooky stuff is iamdarkwaters.com I got a podcast that I launched, but I mean, I don't even know how to get to that my damn self. But nonetheless, that's where all my stuff is, guys. But you go on the website, you'll find all of it. And I just want the audience to know, man, thank you guys. Because I've watched your audience. You know, in fact, it's crazy because the Lord told me last night he was, I'm at Lowe's. He said, put on such and such. I'm like, man, I'm trying to get me a fan to put in the house. He's like, no, put it on. And if you go back and look in your comments, there's a point where it says, was my name just mentioned? And then somebody else, it was in the chat, somebody's like, yeah, they were just talking about this, this. I was like, oh, that's interesting. That's wild. I said that because I had just heard the Lord said no, put on their podcast. And literally as soon as I turned it on, I think it was the other guy that's with you. He was like, yeah, something, something dog Waters. And I was like, this is crazy.

[A]

It.

[D]

And I just put in my pocket and listen and went on by my business. And so it's just one of those things. Guys, I appreciate you, I appreciate your audience, I appreciate the opportunity to spend some time with you. And hopefully somebody took something from it. Next time y' all see me, I'm have them help me with my camera so I don't look like a full blown blown report and I'll see y' all on the next one.

[B]

We, I, I personally took something from this. And that's, that's always my prayer is, you know, whenever we're doing a show, even if it's one person, I say, ideally, Lord, you know, have, have thousands, if not millions of people be helped by this. But even if it's one person, we never really know what we're gonna get into when we get on the show. It's just one thing. If it's just one thing, somebody heard. This is, this is helpful to me tremendously. And so I, and I already can see the comments from the chat. The same could be said for them. So thank you, James. I appreciate your time.

[D]

All right. Guys. I'll catch up with y' all later, Deuces.

[C]

All right, all right. Until next time, guys. Don't forget to obey. Submit and comply. We'll see you.

[A]

Despond death.

[B]

Spot when the last trumpet sound in the heaven.