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Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? w/ Ed Mabrie
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In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, The Raven and Top Lobsta are joined by Ed Mabrie of Faith By Reason to dive deep into the Book of Genesis — the origin of mankind, the fall of the Watchers, and the true nature of spiritual warfare. We discuss...
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. We blapping. We guamin. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is Top Lobster.
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Top Lobster
Too early for that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
The father of disinformation. Now it's never too early to be black. Maybe a little too early to be Guaman. But here at NDS we like to live on the edge. Before we get started, this show is going to stream in its entirety because Fridays are for the Lord. And we're back with Ed Mabry. But I want to tell you guys where you can support us. Patreon.com Nephilim Death Squad is where you can do it. All kinds of perks there. Early access to episodes, ad free viewing and listening experiences. Early dibs on tickets to Bohemian Grove. We're looking at the first week of March that Friday and Saturday. I haven't looked at the dates, but that's what we're doing. We're organized. I've been thinking a lot about it all morning and yesterday I was putting some thought and how we want to organize.
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Top Lobster
Thinking, huh?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
A lot of thinking. A lot of big thoughts happening around Bohemian Grove. Ed Mabry is with us. He's going to be there. And one more thing. Don't forget discount codes off merchandise from top lobster.com I have this OG long sleeve logo on and I don't think we sell these anymore. This is like.
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Top Lobster
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's an artifact. Dang, dude. Oh, you Got the mother horse eyes T shirt. I don't know where you were going with that, bro. You just like full screen taking my shirt off.
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Top Lobster
Another horse eyes shout out to creepypastas. Let's get into, we don't have that much time with that today, so let's get into it.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Ed May joins us once again. Ed, I gotta say the, the amount of feedback that we got from the last episode that did with you with Matt of the Standard Coffee Shop. We're actually here once again in the Standard Coffee Shop. Matt has started doing straight Bible and that crossover with you and him was everything that the fans wanted. We got such positive feedback. So it's great to have you back. Before we get into really important questions, you know, where can people find you?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah guys, thanks for having me on again. So you can find me on my, my legacy site, which is faithbyreason.net hundreds of hours of material there. I also have the membership side of that. You can get you know, the entire Revelation series there, the Genesis series and you know, 501C3 so you can possibly get some tax benefits. Talk to your advisor. There are discounts on books and of course my Patreon, which is where I'm most active. It's where I'm interacting with folks. You get bonus episodes, you get first content drops there first uploading Revelation series to that Genesis series, doing bonus episodes, Q&As and you can be part of the Bible study. We're actually almost at the end of the, of the year long Bible study. We're actually going to be wrapping up the church age. Then we'll hit get Revelation and then we'll start it all over next year. So those are all recorded. You can come in and, and pick up on those or because we also do a live Q A afterwards and you can then get started with us again in February. Wow. And one other thing because I know we're, we have another episode we're doing in a couple weeks with, with my friend John Linhart and, and, and, and Jason and, and we're going to talk more about this. John and I will talk about this more then. But I'm also, we're doing a spiritual warfare class. We're going to start that early next year. It's going to be pretty deep curriculum. It's going to be videos, going to be written material and then live sessions because I've been getting just a ton of interest people saying, you know, they feel like they're under spiritual attack, spiritual oppression. And I, and I get that all the Time. So, you know what? I think it's time to do a course to teach people how to effectively do spiritual warfare.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So, yeah, that's huge. It's one of the things I really like about your Patreon is there's a lot of solutions and there's a lot of talk about, you know, important. And on the topic of questions, by the way, we'll probably be taking some fan questions by the end of this episode, so if you have any, drop them in the chat. We'll hold on to them. We got a couple in the backlog. But your Patreon is a great place for, for tools, you know, how to navigate spiritual warfare, things of that nature. I recommend people go over there. I'm not going to say too much on it. You did have a talk recently. Is masturbation a sin? Right off the bat, you opened it in a really compelling way and it turns out to be a fascinating topic that is, you know, pretty nuanced. It's, it's, it's not a straightforward answer. You actually open it up with it depends. So, you know, a little bit of a spoiler alert there. I highly recommend people go and check it out because you're answering important questions. I, I kind of want to start this one off with something that you also talked about on your Patreon, given that today is October 31st, it's, it's Halloween. And, and I believe you actually answered the question on your, on your Patreon, is it all right for Christians to celebrate Halloween? Maybe you could talk about that a little bit.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, yeah, I actually dropped that, excuse me yesterday for my Patreon, but I'm happy to talk about it here as well. You know, though you can get obviously more detail on the Patreon, but I'm happy to touch on it because it is, it's a sensitive topic. It's just like the masturbation topic. Maybe we'll talk about that in upcoming episode because it's, it's one of those things where it just seems like there's this, this kind of dividing line of, you know, who are you hurting when, when you do. Again, not just masturbation, but with Halloween. And are you, are you committing a sin? Because, you know, the, the Bible is very clear that you should not worship other gods, other Elohim, you should not get involved in what we call the occult, Satanism, you know, the, especially in the Old Testament. It's, you know, God's pretty clear that, you know, don't get involved in witchcraft, those sorts of things. So should we do it? So just like the masturbation question, it comes down. It really depends because there's a difference between celebrating Halloween and observing it. And I think that's really where what that line of demarcation is. So when it comes to. Let's just talk about some of the reasons that white people, you know, say it's wrong. And, and again, it's because it's the hollow. The, the celebration is called. Or the holiday, for lack of a better term. It's called All Hallows Eve. It's a. It is a pagan holiday. It's considered the holiest or more accurately, the unholiest day or. Or night of the year. It's when, according to legend, is when the veil is the thinnest between our realm and the quote unquote, spiritual realm. A lot of rituals happen. A lot of witchcraft is going on. There are all kinds of legends that we've kind of taken and put into our culture. Like, you know, the jack o' lantern was actually in medieval times. It wasn't actually a pumpkin, it was a turnip. So I don't know how they found a turnip big enough to put a light into, but they, but you would do that and it would. And it was a night when supposedly demons would roam the earth and they would come to your door and you have to give them something to make them go away, which is where the trick or treat aspect came. When you go to house and say trick or treat, what you're really. What you're really emulating is when a demonic entity would come to someone's house and, and you have to. You have to give them a gift in order to make them go away. So there are all kinds of legends around it. And some churches are very str. And say, you absolutely should not do Halloween. And you also shouldn't watch Harry Potter movies because that's witchcraft. So they're very much stay away from anything that has to do with the occult. And then there are others who are like, yeah, it's fine. Or they'll have like what they call a harvest festival where they'll have all the kids come to church and they'll give them candy there. So you are out crook or treating. And when I was growing up, you know, they would have all these. I grew up during. During the Satanic panic era, you know, when I was a little kid, that was happening. And there are all these crazy stories about people putting poison in the candy and, and razor blades and apples and things like that. So should we celebrate Halloween Again, so the difference is celebration versus observing. If you observe something that means you're participating in the ritual you are actually doing the, the paganistic rituals, you're doing the witchcraft you are intentionally celebrating or, or, or, or invoking the, these evil spirits and doing all these demonic things, then they're celebrating something. Well, you're actually, it's more of a party. It's just you're, you're taking place, you're taking advantage of festivities. So, so should Christians celebrate Halloween? Celebrating it. I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating it. Why? Because you're not taking it seriously. It's really about your intention. That's what it really comes down to. A lot of times we as human beings and churches, we put certain restrictions on people that God doesn't because we were trying to. That's what religion is. Religion is basically trying to improve on what God did. It's saying, you know, God, you said this, but I'm going to put something on top of it to make it even more difficult. So look God, I improved on your plan. I mean the first religious act we've talked about this before was with Eve. When the, the nakash, the so called serpent in the Garden of Eden asked her a question. She, he just said hey, did God say that you can't eat any of the fruit of the tree? And she says, well we can eat of all the fruit but we can't either Fruit, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil can't touch it or will die. Well God never said don't touch it. He said don't eat it. But what Eve put on top of that was well, if I don't touch it then I definitely can't eat it. So look God, I improved on your plan. But that, that showed her religious pride and that showed the nakash Satan that okay, she has a weakness here in pride. She wants to be like God. So I'll say, hey, if you eat this fruit, you'll be like God, you'll be like the gods, like the Elohim. So the point is that religion does that. It is when people put extra restrictions on that God didn't. And it always leads to trouble because it's going to lead to extra rebellion because what God says, his law is going to be perfect. And when you add to it, you've corrupted it. So some people, so many churches will say, you know, you have to stay away from anything. But God says what's in God sees what's in your heart and he knows your intention. And if your intention is not to worship evil, then you're not worshiping evil, even if you get into the practice of it. And I know some people are going to balk at that and say, I don't know, you're being too liberal with it. Well, what I did in my video, I, I kind of transposed it. Let's put it the other way around. Let's look at a so called Christian holy day, which is Christmas, you know, Christmas. Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. And there's paganistic stuff with Christian, with Christmas. But let's just say for the sake of argument that it, it is just a pure holy day. And you, and when you are, when you're observing Christmas as a Christian, what are you observing? The birth of Jesus. You're, and you know, the coming of the Messiah when the greatest event in human history, salvation, all those great things. So you're thinking, you're meditating on it, you're giving thanks for it and you're thinking about Jesus and you're observing it. How many people do you think in this country, in the world are actually doing that on Christmas?
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Ed Mabry
Not many, most people are just celebrating Christmas. I gave an example in my video. I have a neighbor who is an atheist and I have many in my neighborhood because I live in a very progressive part of the country. But she's not only an atheist, she's, she is a pagan. She, by her own admission, she said she's a pagan. But every Christmas, her house is full of Christmas decorations. There's a Christmas tree on the front yard. There's all the, you know, lights around the house and all the sorts of things. Because she said Christmas is her favorite holiday. She's not a Christian. She's not observing it. What? But she's celebrating it. Why? Because it's fun. It's, you know, she thinks about, you know, joy and gift giving and hanging out with your family and friends and going to parties. Christmas is basically a secular celebration. Even though it is a quote unquote religious holiday. Becoming celebrating Christmas does not make her a Christian. She's not observing the Christian precepts Halloween is the same way. You can celebrate it. You can dress up in a goofy costume. You can go to a party and you'll drink from a punch bowl that had. They put some dry ice in it so it has, like, little foggy thing coming out of it. Out of it, so it looks like a witch's brew. You do sort of thing. Are you actually honoring Satan? Are you doing rituals? No. You're just goofing around, taking your kids door to door in costumes to get some candy.
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Top Lobster
Here's.
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Ed Mabry
That's not. Go ahead.
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Top Lobster
Where. Because I, like, I. I've went back and forth in my life about this to like, where I'm like, well, I'm not actually observing it, to looking at it and going. There's something a little bit nefarious about what they're doing. But especially after, like, talking with Paul Stobbs where he makes the example of these. These ancient tribes and they're dressing up the way the entity or demon, whatever, would. Would present itself. So they.
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Ed Mabry
They.
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Top Lobster
They'd represent themselves in that same way in order to evoke it. And then they do evoke that. That spirit.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
He says, dress like what you want to be possessed by.
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Top Lobster
Right, right. And then that gets into, like. I mean, my kid dressed as Spider man the other day. And then we talking. We're thinking about, like, the nephilim nature of some of these superheroes.
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Ed Mabry
True.
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Top Lobster
And the thing is, like, a lot of people don't know. Most people don't know. We're walking around and we're talking to people, and if we tell them that, they'd be like, but. What do you mean, but? I've gone down that rabbit hole and I've looked at that and I've seen it, and I know it's true. So for me, I feel like if I know that that is then true, and then I still partake in it. There is a bit of knowing and there's a little bit more. Is more of a bit of participation on my part. Does that make any.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, even I think to. I'm sorry, Ed, but. But just to. To kind of give the counter to that. I think intent is really important. So when you have these tribes and all these, you know, pagan, tribal kind of areas and they're doing these dances around and they're ingesting psychedelics and they're dressing like the entity that they're trying to evoke or be possessed by, there's a direct intent there. That's the thing that they're trying to do. Whereas your child's not trying to be possessed by the spirit of Spider Man.
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Top Lobster
That's why I let him do it. But for me, I'm like, if I. I just feel like if I know, if I already know some of these things more intrinsically, that that's going to already be in my head. And then how much of that is compliance or agreement with whatever we're doing?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Fair question.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, it is actually a good point. So. And I actually didn't go down that road before in, in my video, so this would be a new territory if you. I think there is a line where you can only pretend so far. For example, if you want to, like, mess with a Ouija board as part of your Halloween celebration, that's a problem. Why? Because that is intentionally doing something that you know is occultic. That's when it draws a line. But me, this year, our, Our family thing, we do a family theme every year when we go trick, and that's all we do. We go around our neighborhood and we get candy from our neighbors and, and, and we come back home. That's it. And this year we're. We're doing a Star wars theme. So, you know, my youngest son says he wants to be a Stormtrooper. So I said, okay, we'll do a Star wars theme. He's going to be a stormtrooper. My oldest is going to be Darth Vader. My wife's Princess Leia, and I'm going to be Luke Skywalker. And I got to show you a picture when I have my blonde wig on.
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Top Lobster
With the Jerry curls.
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Ed Mabry
Well, actually, by the way, hold on, hold on.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I gotta let the chat know that. That before the show started, it has been revealed to us that Ed Mabry used to sport a very admirable Jerry curl back in the day. And we were told that we might receive some pictures. So, you know, look forward.
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Ed Mabry
I'm rethinking that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
A new set of T shirts coming out.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, I looked a lot like Ice Cube in the NWA days when I had my Jerry cross.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Bring it back.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, it came. Came down to the neck. And, you know, the front had like a little spit curl happening in the front too. It was. No, I'm. I'm not kidding. I will, I will find a picture.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You gotta find it. You gotta bring it back. You know, I just want to say too, because you're. You're talking about that Star wars thing. I. Right now, my son is out at school. He's dressed as Captain America. So. So my line in it is like, you're not going to dress like a monster. I don't like the monster thing, especially when they're really little. Look, if you become a teenager or whatever and you're going to go and do this thing and, you know, we all go through our fallings, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to advise against it. I'm going to explain why. But, you know, your journey's your journey, and we all have to, I think, come to God. If you. If you try to force people, it puts a bad taste in their mouth and they tend to recoil. So. But while he is a child, there's no dressing up like a monster.
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Top Lobster
My mother did that to me. She's like, well, this is of the occult. And she's. I think, you know, she's kind of right. There are. There are things happening. This is a spiritually strong day. The veil is specifically weak.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And I want to talk about that too.
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Top Lobster
People are doing that. But when you say that to me, I'm gonna be like, sounds like nonsense.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And then go the other way, which I did for many years.
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Ed Mabry
No, I. I totally get it. And so that's why I want to give this copy, give out a few caveats, because while I said it's okay to celebrate it, I also gave some reasons why you should not celebrate it if you're a Christian and deal with it at all. And I kind of couched it in. In what the Apostle Paul said about. I think it was in Corinthians, I could be wrong. But he would talk about a stumbling block. And you don't want to be a stumbling block to yourself or to anyone else. And the example Paul gave was about eating meat sacrifice to idols. Now, that is one of the two things that the early church said that Gentiles should not do. They said, don't. Don't commit fornication, which is a sexual act with a spiritual connotation as part of. Of worshiping other gods. And don't eat meat. Sacrifice to idol. Idols. Because that was, again, that was idolatry. It was a ritual where you would put meat in front of this statue of the idol and you would do rituals over it. And part of it, you would eat the meat. And that was basically taking that entity yourself. But then Paul said he would eat the meat that was sacrificed to idols because he wasn't participating in the ritual. To him, it was just meat. He didn't. These things had no power over him. Paul had the Holy Spirit in him, as all Christians do, and that means they had no power over him. So to him, he was like, I'm hungry, there's some meat here. These people are just put it there, I'm going to eat it. Because he wasn't participating in the ritual, but he said he wouldn't do it in front of new Christians because it would be a stumbling block to them. Because let's say you were a first century Christian, you had just come out of paganism, which they all were, they were really virtually no atheist back then. You believed in some type of God or gods. And if a young Christian who just came out of paganism and said, and was told not to worship idols and they see this elder of the church, this great apostle eating it, they say, well, wait a minute, maybe it's not so bad to do that. And he says, so he, so Paul says, I can do it, but I'm not going to because it will be a stumbling block to others who look up to me. So one reason not to do it, as if it's a stumbling block to yourself. So if anyone's watching right now and they're really in violent agreement, disagreement with what I just said, don't celebrate Halloween because it's a stumbling block to you. It's something that's going to negatively affect you, so don't do it. So that's. If you're in a community that's, or a church that is very strict about it and you may say, you know what, I, you guys are going overboard. I'm going to celebrate it anyway. Maybe it's a good idea not to do that because then people in your church are going to see you doing it. It's going to cause contention and it's not worth it because it could be a stumbling block to others. So. And another really good reason not to get, not to celebrate Halloween is if you are a new Christian and you came out of the occult. So I've had some folks on Patreon tell me that, you know, they became a Christian fairly recently and they were really involved in the new age and things like that beforehand. They should not. Why? Because they, they're still in a process of being cleansed from all of that. And it could be triggering to do anything that's anywhere close. It's like an alcoholic. You know, you, if you give up, if you start becoming so sober and you give up alcoholism, well, you shouldn't go to a bar, you know, for a while because it's going to trigger you. But I have friends who, I have a friend who is a recovering alcoholic. He's been, he's been recovering for 20 years, so. And he. It's perfectly fine for him to go into a bar. I. I drink it. I have a glass of wine or something in front of him, and it doesn't bother him. Why? Because he's matured through it. He still doesn't drink, but he's mature to the point where it's not triggering for him to see alcohol or smell it or be around people who are drinking. He just knows I'm not going to do it. It's the same thing. If you are just freshly out of the occult, paganism, New age stuff, then you probably shouldn't, because it would be triggering for you. And wait until you've been completely cleansed and you've matured more and then if you want to do it. But I mean, it's not something you have to do. I mean, once my kids are old enough that they don't want to go trick or treating anymore, I'm not going to do anything because I'm doing. I'm doing it for them. Honestly, from the time I was a teenager until I had kids, I didn't really do anything for Halloween because. Not because I was for it or against it, just had no appeal to me.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, there's a. Well, I guess I'll say. I'll say it. But. So if. If we were gonna go trick or treating with the kids, I don't think we have any plans for that, but I'd be like, yeah, okay, that's fine. Let them get the candy. But there was like, a party that's lined up for sometime this weekend, and my wife is like, let's go. And I'm like, let's not. I like the person, but I feel like. I'm like. I don't know. I feel like that's a weird invitation for. It's. It's just. It's. For me, I'm like, that's a little bit too much.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, that I hear what you're saying. There's actually, like a dialing up of.
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Top Lobster
Of malevolence. Yeah, in a way.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Right. So. So we're adding alcohol.
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Top Lobster
You're adding.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yes. There's gonna spirits. Right?
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Ed Mabry
You're at.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You're adding spirits.
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Top Lobster
There's gonna be like some. Some sort of sexual element because, you know, the girls just can't control themselves.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. They have to dress that way.
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Ed Mabry
What does women just say always? What is it? Nurse? The slutty nurse or the cat? Those are the two, right?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Those are the big ones.
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Top Lobster
It's. It's become anything but showing your, your tits also.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Pretty much. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Well, maybe not. I don't want to really be around. It's not, it's not because I'm gonna like out of fornicate or.
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Ed Mabry
No.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But I don't want to be next to that. The imagery in my mind and all that other kind of crap too, you know, so.
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Top Lobster
So I don't appreciate that. I will say to the woman that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Watched the show, the women, the women who watch the show, don't do that to me, dude.
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Top Lobster
The woman, I don't appreciate the attempt. It's just the thing of like, stop doing that to guys. You're hijacking men's psychology. Yeah, but I mean, their primal instincts, that's really what you do.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But they would go like, oh, learn to control yourself. If you can't see boobies without getting. And it's like, all right, yeah, so.
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Top Lobster
Don'T do that to people.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's thousands of years of reproduction and.
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Ed Mabry
And I don't know, development, you know. I want to talk about that when we get to, when we do the show on the masturbation thing. Because there's this thing. And again, women, you're fantastic, we love you, you're wonderful, you're God. However, there's sometimes they get a little holier than thou thing, especially when it comes to pornography.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
And this is just, I'll give you a one minute preview of one thing I talk about because you know, when man masturbations is tied to pornography in many instances because we're visual, that's how we, we're attracted to visual. That's why when you show your boobies, like control yourself. What's different for you? Yes, of course women like to see a good looking guy, but it's not, it doesn't have the same effect.
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When a woman sees a naked man, it is not nearly the same effect as when a man sees a naked woman. I mean, it's totally different. I mean, if you, if you ever want to see a difference, if you have the opportunity or you see it on a movie or something, look at how men act in a strip club versus how women act in a male strip club. Women, it's a party to them. They're just like, oh, this is crazy. This is goofy. They're just having fun. Men at a strip club look like a lion staring down a group of gazelles. It is a.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You have to actively, like, as a dude, you got to be like, there is no community, like in your mind.
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Top Lobster
And like, there's no community in this. In a strip club for men. Everyone is like in there. It's a weird thing. Everyone's in their own zone. I've never been to it, but for women, they're all. Yeah, like, you see, like that, you know, doing their thing. It's fun. But guys are like, locked in. Not good.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah. Yeah. Women singing a naked man is funny most of the time because it's just goofy. But women have their own form of pornography because it's easy for them to shake their finger at minutes at all you're looking at that nasty stuff on the screen and because you know it's an actual sexual act happening.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
However, women have their own thing that appeals to them and it's really a lot of these romance novels and these romantic romance novels. It does the same thing. What is pornography for a man? It's a fantasy of some. To someone who you want to be involved with, who is not your spouse. What are these romance 50 shades of gray, these movies, what are they? They were a fan. An unrealistic fantasy of the person you want to. Who you are, get aroused by who is not your spouse. That it's the same thing and it's unrealistic. You know, nobody looks like a porn star. Even porn stars wake up in the morning. They don't look like they're. They don't look like porn stars. And one of the puffy eyes and makeups not on and hairs are messed up. That's not realistic. Just like these men in these romance movies are not realistic. Nobody looks like Ryan Gosling all the time. No one has a six pack AB and a million dollar business and is tough but kind. No, that's not realistic.
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Top Lobster
Isn't the dichotomy hilarious? Like, like the guys when they watch it, they're like, they're in the dark place. They're like, don't look at me. And the girls are like reading it.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. In a, in a robe. You know, they're comfy, cozy.
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Top Lobster
You're laying right next to me reading this stuff. What are.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Why is there a minotaur on the COVID I so, so number one, I. I'd never been to a strip club because even When I was younger, I was like, I'm never. Like, the idea of paying somebody to pretend they like me was crazy. And the idea of hanging out in the same room as my homies who are all erect was also crazy. Stop it. That's wild.
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Top Lobster
But it's not really helping this show. He's trying.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
He's trying. We keep just slipping, so it's true.
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Top Lobster
I. I feel like you have to say it, though. Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
What are we doing here? We're all hanging out in this room together.
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Top Lobster
You're a rat. That's great.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So.
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Ed Mabry
So, okay, so the whole, whole point of that is, ladies, don't. Don't do that on Halloween. And if you're going to do it, stare at you.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, dude. Well, that's what they want. So. So, you know, Top is talking about this party, and, like, you know, it's an additional layer of putting your. Your energy and focus into this thing. And that's a. That's a really important thing I'd like to discuss is the energy of it.
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Ed Mabry
All right.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You mentioned before, it's like the. The. The fall equin harvest season. We've done some research on a lot of these, like, rituals and everything. They take place during the.
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Top Lobster
I'll tell you a little bit more about the family off air, okay?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Oh, I'm looking forward to it.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So. So, you know, these, These rituals, these pagan rituals, they often take place during harvest season, right? And there's like, kind of a. A reason for that. Like, you're doing this so that you have a good harvest next season kind of a deal. You have the harvest moon, and that plays a role in it all. Thinning of the veil. Now, now, I mean, think about this. When we were younger, ABC Fox Family, they used to do like, 30 days of Halloween, and they would play all these, like, Halloween movies, and they're rather innocuous, right? You're talking about, like, children's movies like Casper the Friendly Ghost and things like that. But what happens. We're talking about the vibe, right? The energy. For a month, you're priming your house. Let's say you're. You're decorating it in this kind of spooky way. Every night when the sun goes down and the sun goes down early in the fall, you're gathering together and you're watching these spooky movies. So every night you're setting this vibe. Every night you're. You're sort of darkening the spiritual energy of your household. And then it all culminates in this one big Moment where everybody dresses in a certain way and goes and starts knocking on doors, knocking on thresholds. Like that's a weird thing, right? The, the vampire principle of thing has to knock and ask for permission to come in. There are a lot of weird principles. And I wonder at what point, if any point, intent doesn't necessarily have to be there because you're setting the, the, the mood to such a degree and you've been doing it for 30 days that you're at least thinning the veil in your own home.
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Top Lobster
Something even crazier too is like as you knock on their threshold and they go, trick or treat. And then they give you like poison.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Hell yeah.
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Top Lobster
Like, it's pretty established.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's delicious poison now.
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Top Lobster
Oh, it's the best.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
When you go to the houses and they have a turkey baster filled with red dye 40 and you go, step right up, kids, and they just drip right into your mouth.
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Top Lobster
Red 40. And they're like, there's some hormone disruptor for you.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
A little soy. Give that little boy breath.
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Top Lobster
Strange. Just super strange, man.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But what do you think about that, Ed? I mean, the lead up to Halloween, the, the setting of this, of the, of the low vibrational spiritual ambiance in your own household. Fear. A little dose of fear. Every night. 30 days of Halloween, we're watching these spooky movies every night. And for 30 days you're geared towards that aspect of the spiritual realm.
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Top Lobster
What bugs me out too is the decorating part of it. And, and in tandem, you'll go to Home Depot and you'll see like a huge decapitated person and he's like shaking.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
12 foot tall skeleton and then.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, and then a 15 foot tall Santa. And I'm just like these things.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Weird.
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Ed Mabry
You guys have a good point. And one of my old mentors I mentioned before, Dr. Chuck Missler, who passed away a few years ago, he disagreed with me on this. And by the way, if you disagree with me on this, I'm not going to fight you. Like I said, if it's a stumbling block, don't do it. But he came out with a, I think a video and audio series called Halloween Invitation to the Occult. And what he said. And, and I understand why he was saying this and I, I get it, because I think you're kind of saying the same thing, Raven, is that it may not be your intent to do it, but you're starting down a path that could end that way. Again, you start with something that seems innocuous, like a horror movie, which I don't watch because we don't watch in our home. Not because I'm afraid of them. I just think they're goofy. I mean, they're always like, there's a noise upstairs. Just go check it out. Like, no, there's a noise upstairs. I'm leaving. It's like, I don't know. You've seen the. Probably the jokes about how if there were horror movies with black people, they'd be five minutes long because we don't go towards danger. Real life.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
These horror movies have to take place in, like, the northeast, where people don't have guns, because not once do you see anybody ever investigate a house, like, with their shotgun. Like, you hear a noise downstairs. Like, if I hear a noise, I have my shotgun. My shotgun has a flashlight on it. I'm walking around the house. Even if it's a small noise. Just because, you know, I'm a psychopath. Nobody ever does that. It would be over really quickly, I think, if. If that happened. It's a different type of energy. Nobody ever has.
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Ed Mabry
You know, Richard Pryor, my favorite comedian of all time, he. He had a bit on the. What was it? The. I think was the Amityville Horror House. It was like, it was really big in this movie in the 70s.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
Where he said it would have been five minutes long if it was black people. Because he. Because as soon as the house said hello, he said goodbye.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Exactly, exactly.
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Ed Mabry
But. But the point is that, that, you know, you watch those kinds of movies and that could lead to. Okay. And some of them will have seances in them and like, Blair Witch kind of stuff, which that's probably the last. Let you know how how old I am and how. When. The last time I watched a horror movie, that might have been the last one I watched because I was at a. I was. I was working at a company where we watched it as, like our. As during our lunch break for Halloween. And I'm like, that movie freaked me.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Out because that was a scary movie.
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Ed Mabry
It really was. But. But you get into that, you know, the seances and things like that, and you say, okay, well, this. This movie is harmless. Well, maybe doing a Ouija board is harmless or doing all these different occultic things. So, yes, you can absolutely go down that road. But that's what I'm talking about with intent. Yeah. At some point you do intentionally do something. But. But that's why our responsibility, if you're a mature Christian, to know where that line is. And my line again is going to get candy. I don't go to no, don't go to parties where people are only if they have sour Skittles. That's the only one I'll eat. And I know it's unhealthy for me, but that's. I. I'm addicted to Sour Candy City. Then the sour Skittles are. If. If a. If a house does not have sour Skittles, I don't. We don't go there next year.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Oh, my God. I just, you know, I like the seriousness that you said. I didn't feel like that there was any sarcasm detected. There was no. It was just like, yeah, dude. I don't do that unless you have sour Skittles.
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Ed Mabry
That's it.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But, like, other than that, to Bohemian Grove.
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Top Lobster
There's not sour Skittles there.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I'm playing back. Ed goes and knocks on the door, and he doesn't say trick or treat. It says sour Skittles. They say, no. He just walks away.
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Ed Mabry
I will also accept Sour Patch Kids and all the airheads, whatever the sour candy is.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I'm a big. I'm big into chocolate. That's my thing. I don't do the sour candies. I don't do the. The fruity candies. But chocolate is a real problem for me. And my kid doesn't like chocolate. So he'll come back with a sack and I'll just separate all of his Snickers Milky Way. That's all mine. He's like, good riddance. I'm like, that's awesome, man. It's like having a small slave that collects candy for you, you know?
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Ed Mabry
It is awesome. Except if somebody has candy corn, I swear I will. I will. I will try to have gotten a curse to your home if you. If you give me candy corn.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Of course you like candy corn, dude. You are a candy corn ass muffin, dude. That is so disappointing, the language. I'm sorry. I stopped myself.
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Top Lobster
It has an interesting thing. I like the three colors, and I.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I don't think they taste different, though. I've tried. I've bit the. The white part off, then the orange part, and then the yellow part, and I've done. That's all the same flavor, dude.
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Top Lobster
Yes, but psychologically, yeah.
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Ed Mabry
But in all seriousness, yes, you can go down that road. And I've. I've known people who have. I. I have a friend of mine who, you know, she. She's a Christian, and. But she was kind of dabbling in some of the whole, you know, the universe is blah, blah, blah sort of thing. And when she had it, one of her Aunt died. She actually went to a medium because she wouldn't speak to her aunt. I'm like, that's. You're going too far down the road. I think I've told you guys before that, like, my favorite city to visit. I do it almost yearly. Is New Orleans. Love New Orleans.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, it's a cool. It's a cool place. Except for the human dookie.
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Ed Mabry
Well, there's that, but you just stay off. Stay off of Bourbon Street. I mean, there's. We don't. I mean, that's. You do that when you're. When you're younger. We. We usually stay in the Garden District or someplace like that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And I don't even know what I love is. I said human dookie, and he knew what street it was on. Yeah, dude, it is. That's exactly where it was once, and.
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Ed Mabry
Then that's all you have to do it. But my point is, it's a very occultic city, and you just know to stay away from that kind of stuff. I don't go into, you know, there's all these little witchcraft shops and things like that. Most of it is just hokey. It's not real. But some of them are real. I went into one of them with. With that same friend.
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Top Lobster
She.
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Ed Mabry
She. And I went, and she was trying. She had just broken up with her boyfriend, and she wanted to get back together with him. And so she went to this person who said that she would cast a love spell. And I'm like, sweetheart, you know, that's not. You know, that's not cool. But she was an actual witch, so they do have that. And, like, that's where you have to start to draw the line. That's where it takes maturity. So, as I said, if it's a stumbling block, don't do it. But my whole point in this is not to tell you how to behave. My point is that you shouldn't feel guilty about getting some candy with your kids. You shouldn't feel guilty about an office party where you guys, you know, dress up like the Incredibles or what. Whatever you're. Whatever you're. You're gonna do, don't feel guilty about it. Because a lot of people use guilt to try to enslave you.
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Ed Mabry
And you have don't ask what's acceptable for man. Ask what's acceptable to God. And God does not want you to go down that road of, you know, going into the occult. But if you're just celebr. If you're just having a little fun and you're not going down the road of the occult, I don't want you to be in the bondage of unnecessary guilt. We have a lot of things we should feel guilt about, but that should come from the Holy Spirit and remember. And I. It's funny because I had another question on my Patreon before about how to hear from God, and it's a whole thing. And that's be part of my spiritual warfare class. The difference between hearing from God versus hearing from another entity, because they will all speak to you spiritually. The difference in the voice is that when you hear from God, it's not loud. Elijah said this. He said when he said, I. I saw a whirlwind, but God was not in the whirlwind. I. There was an earthquake, but God was not in the earthquake. But then I heard a still, small voice, and that's where God was. God does not shout at you. The spirit of God will not yell at you. He will not oppress you. It will be a still, small voice. It will be that little thing when you do something wrong, you get that little feeling. You know, that's not right. It's not yelling at you. When someone. When you feel guilt and oppression, that's not from God. Not that you won't feel guilty. But I mean, when it's like really loud, when it's really oppressive, God doesn't. That's not how he communicates. So just know that if you're told. If you feel guilty because you dressed up in a. In a. Well, not. Not in a. In the sexy nurse costume, but if you just, you know, dressed up, you should feel guilty.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
If you're a sexist out there, you should feel guilty. Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah. It's probably not coming from God.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
But you should be sensitive towards it, Ed.
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Top Lobster
It was. This is kind of like a good segue. The previous thing you said we had some questions from you last weekend. I was looking through some of them, and the first one here that stood out was a question to you from John. He says, I'd love to know Ed's take on Saul consulting a medium to speak to the spirit of Samuel in 1st Samuel 28. I go back and forth on what's actually going on and what soul is actually speaking to. I think he's talking about the Witch of Endor.
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Ed Mabry
Yes.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Before you answer that, Ed, I just want to say to the audience, a little divided right now. 75 versus 25. 75 in favor of no, 75 in favor of no. Should Christians celebrate Halloween? If you guys are listening, we're doing a live poll on YouTube. Dangerous retards, very staunch on not celebrating Halloween. So I'll let that poll go for the rest of it. But, yeah, that's. That's an interesting topic. What do you think about that? It.
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Ed Mabry
If you. If you don't want to celebrate it, then don't. You don't have to. Whatever.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Oh, no, I mean, on the, on the Witch of Endor situation.
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Ed Mabry
Oh, okay. Okay. Well, what's the poll? I'm going to say. I'm not going to disagree with you. 70, 75. Don't do it. Absolutely not. If you don't want to celebrate it, you don't have to. There's nothing that says you have to celebrate it. But what I'm telling you that is that if you do want to go trick or treating with your kids, it's not a sin, but you don't have to. You don't have to celebrate Arbor Day if you don't want to. But what I'm saying is that, that for. For those who feel oppressed by it and feel this guilt. Am I doing something wrong with my kids by dressing them up like Spider man and Captain America and going to. It's. That's not a sin. It really isn't. Okay, but the Witch of indoor, that's a good one, because that's a question that I've. I had in the past. So was it really the spirit of. Of. Of Samuel? And I believe it was. And here. So what was happening here was that Samuel had been basically Saul's spiritual consultant. Because, you know, Samuel was. Was a prop. He was actually the last judge because before the Israelites wanted a king, they, you know, God gave him judges to, to judge them. But that doesn't mean like, you know, are a judge in the sense of. Of what we have in courts. It was a judge, basically a leader, a temporary leader that when they had tough times, they would rely on the judge and the judge would. Would. Would help them and lead them. Them. But the goal was for God to be their king. God didn't want them to have a physical king over them because, and this is really important And I have this on, on my faithbyreason.net site. If you go to the category of human government, which I really explained, the whole purpose of human government and the definition of a king is not a ruler. A king is someone is supposed to be temporary. A king should only rule during times of, of war. That is the purpose of a king. A king is to be over people during the time of war. When there's not a war, the people do not need a king. And if you look in the Bible, they only had a king because they, they kept requesting it of God. And why did they make Saul their first king? Because Saul was unusually tall. Why does that matter? Because who were their enemies? They were. Their enemies were the Nephilim, those Nephilim tribes that they didn't drive out where they were supposed to. So they wanted a king who was tall who was going to lead them in battle to fight the Nephilim who were tall. Goliath, for example. And remember, Saul chickened out and had to have little David fight the Nephilim Goliath for him. So. And David was a king ordained by God. Why? Because David's job was to wipe out the Philistines. And once he did that, he was supposed that then that should have been the end. Then he should have been a leader, not a king. And when did David get in trouble with Bathsheba? When he was not on the battlefield, when he actually stayed back. And then he saw her, you know, you know, bathing on the top, on the, on a rooftop and like a man, we just talked about this before, you know, he saw a naked woman and boing. And off he goes and he gets in trouble because he wasn't doing his job of a king. Solomon never, he was, he was made king and he never had a battle. What happened to Saul? Solomon fell away. He married all these women who turned this, who turned. Turns heart from the Lord and all sorts of things. So that's the whole thing with king. So with Saul, Samuel was the judge then. He was, he was Saul's advisor. Saul was just supposed to do what David. David did Saul's job. But Saul was supposed to wipe them out. But Saul was actually a coward. And when Samuel died, Saul should have been relying on God, but he didn't. And so he went to this medium to, to get the spirit of Saul so that he could get that advice again. That's. That was not God's will and reason why I believe was really solid. Why it was really Samuel was because the witch at Endor was surprised she was a charlatan. She was a fake. She was not. She was not real. She didn't really. She was going to do what most of these people in these seances do. They just pretend or they. Or they speak with a familiar spirit of the. Of the person. She was shocked when Samuel showed up. Meaning that this was unexpected. It was actually Samuel and God was speaking to him through Samuel. Just. And. And you know what Samuel said to him was they. He basically cursed him. And this was God's doing this through Samuel. Sam was like. Samuel's like, why are you bothering me? I'm in paradise now. I don't want to be here anymore. So God sent me here to speak to you. So that gives us a couple of interesting principles. One is that apparently it is possible for a person who is dead, if God allows it to, to come back and speak to someone. But it seems to be unusual and. But it's not going to be done through an occultist. So what do we do with that? I know it's the only example of it in the Bible. But again, remember, the Bible is not just a comprehensive history book. It's really telling Jehovah's story and it's giving you his precepts and principles so that you know who he is. So, yeah. Can you speak from. Could someone speak from the dead? Apparently, but it's. But anything, anytime that happens, you have to look at it from the standpoint of what Jehovah is allowing, and that would be something that's going to be in line with his will. Another example of that is when Jesus told the story, which was not a parable. It was a story of the. Of Lazarus and the rich man, not the Lazarus he raised from the dead. But the story was about, you know, there was a rich man and there was Lazarus who was a beggar, and he would, you know, sit at the rich man's gate and beg for food, and the rich man would send his dogs after Lazarus. But eventually this Lazarus died and he went to. The reason we know it's not a parable is because these are people who have names. None of no one. In the other parables, Jesus never gives anyone's names because they're just examples. I believe this was a real thing. So he went to. To Paradise, Abraham's bosom, which is where the righteous dead would go before Jesus's death and resurrection. Well, now if you're righteous and dead, you go. You go directly to. To heaven. And then you had the other compartment of Hades, which was torment. And, and they were able. They were speaking to each other. So when you're dead, you still have consciousness. And the rich man told, he told Abraham, he said, can you go tell my brothers to get their lives together so they don't end up here? And Abraham talked to him and said, hey, you know, they have the prophet. Your brothers have the prophets, they have the. They have the scriptures. If they don't believe that, they're not going to believe me. Meaning that Abraham didn't say, because I can't do it. He said, well, because it's not going to help them. So if someone does. So it appears to be. This is controversial, but there appears to be the possibility that someone can speak to people who are alive from, from the. From the place of the dead. But. But it looks like if you look at the example of Abraham and this rich man, only that the rich man can't do it, apparently. So he. So if you are dead, Evil Dead, not the movie Evil Dead, but if you are a dead person and, and you are in torment in Hades, you can't come back and speak to people because the rich man couldn't do it. If he could, he would have. So it appears that only God has the power to allow someone to do that. In the case of Samuel and in the case of Abraham, if that was. If that request was going to be honored. Abraham didn't say he couldn't. He just said he wouldn't. So that said, if. If you do believe that someone is speaking to you from the dead, first of all, they would have to be among the righteous dead. And secondly, they would only say something in line with the will of God if they. If. If those circumstances aren't there, then I would highly doubt that. That if that's really that person.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It almost seems like the difference between you forcing a thing and God sending someone one.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
All right, Interesting. All right.
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Ed Mabry
I've had people tell me, and again, I don't. And that they've had dreams. And again, I can't say it's happened or not because I don't know the person's dream, but they. They said they dreamed of one of their dead relatives who came back and gave them advice, and it was good advice and they followed it and good things happened.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I've also heard stories of people who were visited by loved ones who passed away that, that they were very close with. And then over time, these visitations continued. And as they continued, they got stranger and stranger until eventually this thing revealed itself to not actually, you know, to be masquerading as their loved one. So that's, that's really the issue too, is like this. These spirits have the ability to masquerade. They can come to you as a loved one. So, you know, that's, I, I think a huge gamble. When you're somebody who, who thinks they have the ability to communicate with deceased loved ones, you don't really know what you're communicating with. And I think just by the nature of communicating with something spiritual, you let your guard down, you just go, this is amazing. Must be real, must be truthful, must be honestly what it's claiming to be. And it's like just the, the, the wildness of having that interaction. It's like people don't even ask that question, like, how do I know that this isn't something. And, and I've heard enough stories where that thing goes south and it turns out not to be grandma, let's say. And.
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Ed Mabry
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And then what you've been entertaining or communicating with, strengthening the bond between you and some negative spiritual entity, some sort of demon or something like that. So, yeah, best to let God send them, right?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah. Paul, the apostle Paul, said that verbatim, says, don't, don't believe every spirit, but discern the spirits. So he's acknowledging that spirits are going to speak to you. He says, you need to know the discernment. And the discernment is no one from God is ever going to contradict God. No one from God is ever going to say anything that goes against the will of God. Which is why it's so important in that discernment to know the will of God, to know the character of God. I mean, that's the whole purpose of my Bible study, is just to help. Help people know who God is and who he isn't and what, what his will is. So that when you are confronted spiritually, you know, hey, that's not God, because this isn't in his character. This isn't in his will. But in order to do that, you have to know what his will is. You have to know what his purpose is. And if you don't, then you can be fooled.
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Top Lobster
Something even more tricky is like, I think when God talks to you. It's not. I. I'm sure he's being specific, but maybe we're just too dumb to perceive it. So, like, not just hearing, but also understanding exactly what. What it is you're supposed to do. Like, I don't know. I think we were supposed to do this thing in the coffee shop. Had that inclination. Ended up at the wrong coffee shop. Yeah, really weird in retrospect, thinking about it. And I was like, I was close, but no, not that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Almost not.
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Top Lobster
Not quite specific. Not specific. Yeah, we actually.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Wild question we have.
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Top Lobster
We have a couple of questions. This one pertains to another one. Super chat here, Ed. Do you think baptism is necessary? If so, could you baptize me at brogrove?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Oh, my God. Baptisms at Brogrove.
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Top Lobster
Wow.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
What's happening here?
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Ed Mabry
Awesome. So, first of all, I'd be honored, too. I have to bring my swim trunks, but do that. So is baptism necessary? Is it necessary for salvation? If that's the question, the answer is no. Go. It's not necessary for salvation. What baptism is, it is an outward sign to others that of your dedication. But it doesn't have to be baptized. You don't have to be baptized in order to be saved. How do we know that? Well, among other things, the thief on the cross, he. Jesus told him, this day you will be with me in paradise. Well, he didn't get baptized. He, you're saved by believing. And I know that goes against a lot of Catholicism where, you know, you have. They do infant baptism, which. It doesn't harm anything. There's nothing harmful about it, but it's not. You're. You're not saved by someone sprinkling water on you.
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Top Lobster
That's actually enough. That's this question here in Patreon, they're asking about infant baptism and standing or running water, but please continue.
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Ed Mabry
God wants you to accept Jesus by your free will. You can't. You can't baptize someone and force them to be a Christian. And it's unfortunate because a lot of people, a lot of quote unquote Catholic folk, think that they are saved because they got water sprinkled on them when they were a baby and they don't have to do anything else. Or, or they can just, you know, participate in the rituals and whatnot. No, you have to accept the Bible. Paul is abundantly clear. And it really amazes me that people won't keep. Want to add. Keep wanting to add things or take away from it. Jesus said, if you can. I mean, excuse me. Paul said, if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. You shall be saved. There's a period at the end of that sentence you don't. Getting baptized isn't, is an outward display. You are basically saying, I'm joining this tribe. I'm joining the Christian tribe. And baptism is a symbol of you dying to your old self and coming back as, as a new creation. And, and the reason people do it is because we know that just as human beings are, the way our psychology works, when you participate in something, when you believe something and then you do something physical on top of it, it reinforces it. So now your unconscious mind, which you talk about with John Lenhardt all the time, when, when you, when you do something and then you do an action and attach to it, attach to it, then it strengthens it. But this. So, but it doesn't mean you're saved by doing that. You actually get baptized after you're saved.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's what I'm wondering, Ed. So, so it seems like, like, so an orthodox. In Orthodox Christianity, exorcism is a, is a, is a part of baptism and repentance is a part of baptism. So in that way that you're, you know, you're renouncing Satan, it's also a renunciation of your own sin. So it's, it's sort of like I, I would agree with you, right? Like, yeah, you get saved before you get baptized. Baptized is the, the outward expression of what's in your heart.
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Top Lobster
Start.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's this declaration like you talk about often when you speak a thing, it happens in the spiritual realm, and then its effects start to slowly happen in the physical realm. So if you're getting baptized and you're renouncing your own sin and making a declaration of, you know, Jesus Christ being your Lord and Savior, asking Holy Spirit to, to fill you. And, and then this is, this is like, almost like it feels like an announcement in the spiritual realm, like declaring your position in things and, and your alignment with Christ. And so in that way, yeah, it doesn't seem like it's a, a necessary part, but it does seem like an important spiritual step.
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Ed Mabry
It is. It's important to do. I mean, I was baptized after I became saved as a child. I mean, I. But it was my decision. I wasn't. It was. It didn't happen when I was a baby. I had to be old enough to make that decision. Remember what, Remember it's John the Baptist, the most famous baptizing person who ever existed It. He. He and Jesus both said that, yeah, I baptize you with water, but, you know, Jesus says, you will be baptized with me. You're baptized by the Holy Spirit and by fire. So what was happening with the baptism that John the Baptist was doing, which was again, before Jesus's death and resurrection? It was. It was symbolic. It was like all the Jewish feasts, which are a. Basically a dress rehearsal. You're rehearsing. They were rehearsing what, the first and second advent of Jesus. So it. So, you know, doing the Passover feast didn't save you. It was just symbolizing that, you know, you're sacrificing a lamb without spot or blemish, which is what Jesus was. Jesus is, you know, was our sacrificial lamb. And when Jesus came, he did the real thing, which the Baptist was doing baptism before Jesus came around. And then when, after Jesus, death, resurrection, and ascension, the disciples were baptized by the Holy Spirit. That's the true baptism. And that happens when you are saved. And it's a. And the symbology of baptism is again, you're going in the water, you're dying to your old self, and you're coming back a new creature. Well, what the Holy Spirit does, his fire kills the old man, and it gives you a new heart. And you can. So you can do a baptism, like, so you. When you are. Are saved. You're baptized by the Holy Spirit. You can do a. A water baptism after that. Sure. It's nothing. Nothing wrong with this. It's actually a good thing. And you can get baptized. And it's just. It's something that just reinforces what's already happened. Okay. Publicly. So it's like. It's like marriage. You know, my. You know, my wife and I, we got probably the same thing with you. You go to get a marriage license and you sign it. Well, technically, that's. That's done. What's the ceremony? The ceremony is you standing up in front of your friends and family and declaring that in front of a preacher or whatever. And you're, you know, declaring that you are eternally bonded. But legally, it's signing a piece of paper that makes you married.
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Top Lobster
In a way, I'd say the. The latter is more important, though.
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Ed Mabry
I agree. I know. I agree with that. But I'm saying no legally, according to the state, is what I'm saying.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
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Ed Mabry
All right.
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Top Lobster
We had some. Another question here. This is a good one. So Il Didamondo asks, why are there two different genealogy accounts for Joseph's lineage. The book of Matthew and Luke have Joseph's dads as two different people, both descending from King David. Was one of them wrong or did he have two dads? I don't think that's the case. I'm not, I'm not familiar at all with.
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Ed Mabry
That's a great question. So. And it's really, it's a really cool answer. The reason for it, not my answer but. But the reason for it is actually really cool. So math. So in Matthew you have the genealogy that goes from Joseph's Joseph and his father all the way to David. In Luke you have the, the genealogy going from that, say from a father figure all the way back to Adam. What's the, what's the reason behind that? Matthew was a Levite. The book of Matthew was technically written for, not just to the Jews. Obviously we can all use it, but it was, it was written to convince the Jews of who Jesus was. That's why you see throughout Matthew, every time Jesus does something, it will. There'll be a commentary right after that that says he did this in order to fulfill this part of the scripture. For example, when, when, when King Herod tried to. Ordered that all the newborn boys under the age of two would be killed and an angel and an Elohim, a good Elohim came to Mary and Joseph and said, you know, take Jesus to Egypt. And they did that. And then Matthew says this is so it could be fulfilled that where it says that out of Egypt I brought my son. So he was basically. Matthew was using the scriptures to verify that Jesus was the promised Messiah. And the promised Messiah would have to be the son of David from the royal line of David. That's why it goes from Joseph, his legal father, to David, who. It doesn't go any further than that because they had. He had to be a descendant of King David of the royal line. Here's a problem. David's grants one of his great, great grandsons. Actually yeah, great grandson of, of King Solomon was a king by the name of Jeconiah or Jehayakim. He's just two different pronunciations of his, of his name in the Book of Kings. He was so wicked that God placed a blood curse on him and said that no, because you were so bad, none of your descendants will ever prosper and be king.
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Ed Mabry
Wait a minute, how could Jesus legally be king and be of that royal line if that blood curse was pronounced? And you would imagine that when God pronounced this curse there was celebration in the evil Elohim realm and say, yep, God has just legally put himself in a bind because Jesus as his Messiah has to be from the royal line. He has to have the royal lineage. But Jeconiah just was blood cursed and said that, that none of his descendants would ever be king. So how could Jesus be king? Well, because Jesus wasn't because Joseph was only his legal father. He was not from the bloodline of Joseph. So what about the one in, in, in, in Luke? Well I, the genealogy in Luke I think was God was saying, hey, let me, I'm going to do an end around, I'm going to do a little, a little, a little counterintelligent strategy here because the one who was called Joseph's father was actually his father in law. That was Mary's father when you look at it. And, and, and, and the reason why he could, he could say that was because once you're married, you're one flesh. So Joseph did have two dads. His biological father and Mary's father were both considered his father. And so, so with Mary's line, Mary is also a descendant of David but not through the royal line. If you go through it, the, the Joseph's lineage goes through the line of Solomon. Solomon was part of the royal line. But you know, David had other sons and one of his other sons who was not in the royal line was Nathan. Mary's genealogy goes through through Nathan. So his biological mother Mary was a descendant of David but not through the royal line. So that's how Jesus could be both. Jesus could be a son of David through Mary but have the legal right to be king through Joseph. But because he's not of Joseph's biological line, he's not subject to the blood curse. So that was God basically put running an end around on the evil Elohim, saying yeah, you guys thought you had me. You don't. That's why they're two different genealogies. It's showing, Matthew is showing that Jesus has a legal claim to be king. Mary is showing that he has the claim to be king without being a part of the blood curse on Jehayakim or Jeconiah. That's why There are two different genealogies.
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Top Lobster
Crazy.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's something I often wonder about.
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Ed Mabry
That's something about me I learned from Chuck Missile. I can't take credit for that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, it makes a lot of sense, though.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You know, your. Your father in law is. Is your father in law. Father in law. Yeah. So, yeah, that. That checks out. That tracks.
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Top Lobster
That's like, she. Well, she is the perfect person to do this. They were the perfect people to do that. He knew.
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Ed Mabry
You know why? I think, man. I think one of the reasons I think God did that blood curse was, of course, yeah, Jack and I deserved it. It. But I think he was kind of doing kind of a. A kind of almost rope a dope with the Elohim Realm. But they're like, okay, well, we don't have to worry about this anymore. His lot, the royal line, is cursed. Ah, we're good. You say, oh. But then they didn't realize that God said, yeah, no, I still got you.
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Top Lobster
That is. That is kind of cool.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I'm glad. Who asked that?
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Top Lobster
Il Didamondo shout out.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Il did a mono. That was a great question. That was fascinating. I never even thought about that.
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Ed Mabry
Glad you asked that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
I wonder. I wonder if that has anything to do with why. Why the Jews track Judaism or who is a Jew through the mother rather than the father's lineage. I wonder if it has anything to do with that. Kind of like that logic laid out there. Interesting, I'm gonna think.
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Ed Mabry
Good question. I'm not sure about that. That's something you have to look into that. But that's a good question. I've never. I've never. I've heard that, but I've never really done a deep dive into why it's the mother's line. I mean, maybe it's because, you know, the. The baby's carried by the mother. So it's. I don't know. I don't know.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And I want to go back to.
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Top Lobster
Real quick, go ahead with. With Jesus as well. Like, he would be like. He wouldn't even be Joseph's son in a way, because he has, like, no real genetics tied to that. I don't know. It's just very confusing.
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Ed Mabry
It's his legal father. I mean, it's like if you. Basically, Joseph adopted Jesus. If you look at it that way. If you look at it in our modern terms, like, if you adopt a kid, yeah, that's your son legally, but doesn't have any of your genetics, but he has a legal right. To everything that you have as your adopted child.
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Top Lobster
It's almost like it gives a little bit new meaning to that. Like when they say that the Gentiles are grafted in.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, we're adopted into the family.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Grafted onto the vine.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah. But we have all the legal rights. Well, people, we also are subject to the curses that God put on to the Jews for disobedience.
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Top Lobster
This is the same exact thing.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Nice.
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Ed Mabry
Deuteronomy 20. Deuteronomy 28 is when he talks about all the curses for disobedience. So we're not subject to those. Which is why it's so funny to me that, that everyone wants to be like a lot of gentile Christians. Oh no, we're the real Jews. Like, yeah, you don't wanna, you don't really want to be the church. The churches, the promises of the church are way better than the promises to Israel. So these whole 10 lost tribes people, I'm like, why? Why do you want to be a Jew?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Right.
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Ed Mabry
The church.
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Top Lobster
Isn't that the same, Isn't that the same exact story as what you just described with Mary? The bloodline being cursed, but like this skirting around it, it's the same thing. That's weird. All right, I really got to think about that. What were you gonna say, David? I'm sorry?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I was gonna say back on the, on the topic of, of baptism, I was looking at Romans 10, 9, 10 and the idea of confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe it in your heart. So obviously there's scripture where Jesus talks about like, you know, you confess it with your mouth, but I'm not your Lord because it's only in your mouth that you, you say these things. But there does seem to be some real importance if it's in your heart. The proclamation, like an out loud proclamation to people is something that, that is meaningful. And so I wonder if, if that is the, the spiritual significance. We talk about how, you know, getting baptized is, is as sort of a spiritual declaration. You know, in the church, or at least when I got baptized, they were showing us scripture from John that said that, you know, you do it the way Jesus did it. You get baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And so that is like this verbal declaration. And it has spiritual implications. But then if you look at Romans 9 through 10 or 10, 9, 10, it's saying the importance of confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing it in your heart. So.
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Ed Mabry
Right.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's like these things work in Tandem. It just basically bolsters the idea that, yeah, you are. This is a spiritual declaration in front of people. Because I was wondering, like, you know, you were saying when you get saved, you're. It's. It's accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. And you can sort of do that privately, right? Like if you have this epiphanous moment and you go like, oh, this is. And then that leads you to make this outward proclamation. But like, I wonder.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
What it is like if you say it with your mouth and you're alone? I don't know, maybe I'm just getting caught up on this idea of like saying it with your mouth and you're alone versus saying it and it entering the. The ears and hearts of other people and, and the way they then perceive you and, and how you identify who you're aligned with is. Is more impactful. You know what I mean?
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Ed Mabry
It is because no one can hear your heart, obviously. So you can confess it with your mouth, but you have to believe. And that people can't hear that, but you have to believe it in your heart as well. Well, and you may not. That may not be the exact order. Maybe you believed in your heart first. Then you tell someone, you know what? I confess Jesus, and I'm a Christian now. So you've just confessed him with your mouth and. Yeah, so. So in the baptism thing, you know, again, it's an outward simple. I had a pastor when I was growing up. He preached about this all the time that, you know, just being baptized doesn't save you. His, his little. His little joke was, you know, if you get baptized without believing, he's like, you know, you go down a dry devil, come up a wet devil, it doesn't matter, right? And then as far as just confessing Jesus without having it in your heart, there's like the really funny story in the Book of Acts about, about the. The seven sons of Skiba who tried to cast out a demon. And they went into to the demon's house and they said, you know, we cast you out in the name of the Paul of the Jesus who Paul preaches. And the demon said, jesus, I know Paul, I know, but who are you? Then he jumps on and beats the crap out of them, tears their clothes off and they run out of the house naked. Why? Because they said, you know Jesus. They didn't believe him in their heart.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's like, I'm saying, like they were larp. Like they heard that it works. So they go like, yeah, that guy that like you guys had to bend the knee to last time. That, that dude, that dude. Because that's gonna work again, right?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I know Jesus. I know Paul, but I don't know you.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, interesting. Very interesting.
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Top Lobster
All right, all right, we gotta. I know, I know. You don't have that much more time with us.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, I've got about another 20ish minutes. Okay, cool.
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Top Lobster
Oh, okay. All right. So blappity blap blap asks. Yeah, just bear with us here, Ed. I'm sorry, sorry. What are your thoughts on 2nd Kings 3. 27, referring to the king of Moab fighting against the Israelites. It says, then he took his firstborn son, who was to succeed him as king, and offered him as a sacrifice on the city wall. The fury against Israel was great. They withdrew and returned to their own land.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Shout out blappity blap blap.
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Ed Mabry
That blood sacrifice has spiritual consequences. And when he sacrificed his son, was it the right thing to do? No, people have to. One thing people have to keep in mind is that just because the Bible documents something doesn't mean God approves of it. There was this thing I saw on YouTube a few weeks ago about this, this lady who was, I think she's on like the, the Glenn Beck show, whatever. She did like the whole 20 questions thing where, you know, you. It's this popular thing on YouTube where someone is, has to answer a question from 20 different people. I know she did.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah, Stucky Beth Lee.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, something like that.
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Top Lobster
Or something like that. Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
So, yeah, so yeah, Candace Owens did with a bunch of feminists, Patrick Beck David, who I'm still sketching on. He did with a bunch of anti capitalists and she did with a bunch of so called progressive Christians and they were talking about marriage and half of them were, were gay. And they were talking about how, you know, I'm, I'm married to my partner and we love each other, blah blah, blah. And one of the things they said was when she said, you know, marriage is between one man and one woman. And they said, well, what about some of the kings of Israel who had multiple wives? Like Solomon had hundreds of wives And King David had hundreds of wives. And so, you know, is if, if that's okay. Why, why. How can you say marriage is between one man and one woman when you have these people in the Bible who had multiple wives? Well, just because something's recorded in the Bible doesn't mean God approved of it. All these people who had multiple wives, all, it always ended in disaster. Solomon's wives turned him away from God. Davis. Multiple wives, you know, he, they, they turned him away. They never ended well. When you have multiple wives because you. It is intended to be one person, so one man, one woman. So just because the, the sacrifice of, of this Moabite king's child happened, it didn't mean God approved of it. It's just documenting it and it's showing that, yes, these, the reason that these pagans and these evil people sacrifice children is not just because they have a bloodlust. They do, but it's because it actually does bring about spiritual power. It does do it. And what it also is saying that the Israelites were not in line with God because if they were, that sacrifice wouldn't.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's insinuated that it's in the Borat voice, like my wives.
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Ed Mabry
King David's saying, my wives. So, so basically, so doing that sacrifice did imbue them with extra power and that, that caused them to overcome the Israelites because they weren't right with God. If they were right with Jehovah, then it wouldn't. Then our. The power within us. This is the whole thing with spiritual warfare. The power we have in us through Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, is vastly more powerful than any spiritual evil. But if you're not in line with it, then spiritually evil can actually overcome you. So that's what happened there.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
People will often do that, though. They'll be like, look at this character in the Bible. They did this horrifying thing or that horrified thing. It's like you're dealing with severely imperfect people. And that's a really consistent theme throughout the Bible, is that, you know, you're dealing with sinners and, and God uses broken people and there's stories of redemption and, you know, the changing of people's hearts and, and them falling away again. Or it's like this idea that you can point to a character in the Bible who, who, you know, does a thing that's immoral or, or whatever and, and use as an example of maybe it's not so bad to do that. Thing is, you know, it's.
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Ed Mabry
No, ridiculous. We talked about David before King David he saw Bathsheba. He took. He had sex with her, and she got pregnant. What happened to that baby? It was stillborn. So, yes, he did it. And he. Yeah, David was a man after God's own heart because they were in alignment. But David was not perfect. He sinned a lot. And this was the sin. It was a consequence. So when you see something happen in the Bible, you're not sure if it's good or bad. Look at the consequences. The consequences of David basically being a murderer because he had her real husband killed. He put him in the front lines. That had to be justice. And that baby was stillborn because of that.
- [73:03]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, yeah.
- [73:05]
Top Lobster
Speaking of David, we have another question. Do you watch the House of David? Does he think it's Jewish propaganda? I watch the House of David. This is. Sorry, Greg asked this.
- [73:15]
Ed Mabry
Yeah, you should answer because I haven't watched it. It's on my list, but I. I don't watch much tv. My wife wants. Wants to watch and we will eventually. It just. We're like. We're way backed up in, like, all of. All of the shows we want to watch.
- [73:27]
Top Lobster
I've watched it and I'm caught up with it, actually. I enjoy it. I think it's good. I think they take, like, most of these biblical or Christian shows, they take liberties because the Bible is like, he was here then he was here, and it's like years later.
- [73:41]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So you got to fill in some of the.
- [73:43]
Top Lobster
Yeah, I enjoy it. I enjoy it for what it is.
- [73:46]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
When they did the battle and, like, you know, everybody knows how that goes. And David's fighting Goliath, you could see where some of the liberties are taken, where he's like.
- [73:54]
Top Lobster
He does a spin.
- [73:55]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
He's zigzagging past the spears and he's.
- [73:58]
Ed Mabry
Does he have nunchucks or anything?
- [74:00]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
He doesn't have nunchucks. I mean, I liked it. I thought it was good, but I don't have.
- [74:05]
Top Lobster
Matt would say, read the Bible.
- [74:06]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Just read the Bible.
- [74:07]
Top Lobster
Open up your Bible.
- [74:08]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Straight Bible.
- [74:08]
Top Lobster
Straight Bible. Just read the Bible.
- [74:10]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, yeah.
- [74:10]
Top Lobster
Most of you guys are larping. You're out here with the Kardashians and Justin Bieber on the tweeter. On the tweeter. Yeah, yeah, read the Bible. But it is. It's fun for me. The stories like that and the chosen shows like that make it come to life a little bit more. Yeah, my imagine. I have a hard time with my imagination, like, making this stuff come to life. And I think they do a really good job like. Like, specifically, let's say in the chosen when they're in Jerusalem for. For the. For the holiday where obviously where Jesus gets killed. I. It's hard for me to understand when there's like, the Bible's like, there's a lot of people in the city at this time. It's filled, and you're like, yeah, yes. What's that mean? But they do a good job of like, oh, it's bustling. They're like, you can't walk. And you kind of understand how, like, Jesus could kind of get away from people in this big place. And it would be hard if you don't know.
- [75:02]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Right.
- [75:03]
Top Lobster
Looks like it's like that. These logistical parts of it make a lot of sense.
- [75:06]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And if you could add that historical, cultural context in. Flesh out what a place looked like, what the atmosphere might have been, that does. It helps a lot.
- [75:14]
Top Lobster
Even with. With the story, with. What is this called? The House of David. What I think they do good is like, the battles. Like, the Bible's like, okay, then there was a great battle, and they killed like mad people and then they took over the land. And you're like, okay, next verse. But it's like, no, they're showing you there's. Then there was a battle, and I think it's cool. These dudes are out there with swords.
- [75:32]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And I thought what was really cool was being able to see, like, you know, what 200 foreskins looks like.
- [75:38]
Top Lobster
We're not up to that part yet.
- [75:40]
Ed Mabry
They didn't do that. We already had our show on foreskin.
- [75:45]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So I. I want to ask you something real quick, too. I know I keep going back to this, but obviously I just got baptized recently, so, you know, the fact that it came up is fascinating to me. And, you know, Matt was talking about afterwards, he was like, yeah, like Exodus, when. When they part the Red Sea and Pharaoh's on the other side. And. And then, you know, after they get across the water, the. The water collapses back into itself. It takes out Pharaoh and his army and. And then there are remainder of enemies on that side. So old enemies are now on that side of the water.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Excludes Massachusetts, you know, metaphorically and but there are new enemies that will be on the other side. And so he's talking about that within the context of baptism. And then that, like, you know, water theme is very interesting. I saw somebody in one of the chats earlier say this idea of killing off the Nephilim in the flood and then, you know, baptism being partly an exorcism, at least in orthodoxy.
- [77:11]
Top Lobster
I asked Pastor Rick about that, and he was like, we don't look at it as this. And then he kind of went on to explain about, like, the washing out of the old and the ceremony of, like, the renewing of the earth. And I was like, yeah, like, you know, what happened with that? Right. And he's like, well, yeah, I guess we could look at it like that, too.
- [77:26]
Ed Mabry
But he.
- [77:27]
Top Lobster
He wasn't ready because I. I guess in the. The modern church, like, they want to give you the more flowery stuff.
- [77:33]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
- [77:34]
Top Lobster
And I'm. And I get that because most people don't want to.
- [77:36]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Want to.
- [77:36]
Top Lobster
They don't want to talk about this, but I was like, nah, dude, let's talk about the Nephilim.
- [77:39]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's a fascinating angle to look at, like you being baptized in water and shedding, you know, these potentially entities.
- [77:48]
Ed Mabry
Well, if you look at it, the water has been used consistently in the Bible as a punishment for spiritual evil. You can go all the way back to Genesis chapter one, where, you know, I believe. And we've talked about this before, where I think. I believe there's a primordial rebellion, you know, and, you know, beforehand, because he didn't. He didn't create the world chaotic. Tohu va bohu, which we see in Isaiah. He says. He says, I did create it that way, meaning that something happened. So that's where we put an angelic rebellion. And what was that? There was water everywhere. Water was part of that judgment. And then. And then he had to. And he had to do, you know, get rid of the water and then bring forth or divide the waters up and bring forth the land so that, you know, we could have life. And then, of course, the Nephilim getting destroyed in the flood and then Pharaoh's army. But also, remember that when the. When the Jews entered the Israelites into the promised land, they crossed the Jordan river, it was another one. And that's where John the Baptist was baptizing people, because the Jordan river also represented. Because, I mean, they wandered in the wilderness for 40 years because they were screwing up. So. And they were still worshiping these idols. So they had to basically be baptized again through The Jordan river, to leave the, the evil behind them and go into the promised land. So that was another crossing of the water. And then of course, that's where John the Baptist was baptizing people in that same river.
- [79:07]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's fascinating. It acts almost like a barrier for entry. Like to come in here, you got to leave this behind and it's like you, you have to cross over this river anyway, so like get washed in it, you know. That's fascinating.
- [79:19]
Top Lobster
You know, it's even more, you know.
- [79:21]
Ed Mabry
In the Euphrates, you see in Revelation, there were angels bound in the, in the Euphrates River.
- [79:26]
Top Lobster
Have you guys ever seen the movie Signs?
- [79:28]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. Oh, water.
- [79:31]
Top Lobster
Have you seen that with Mel Gibson, Ed?
- [79:32]
Ed Mabry
Yeah, yeah, I saw. It was. Yeah, I think I saw. When it first came out, I was.
- [79:35]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Like, swing away, Merle.
- [79:36]
Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah. So like, yeah, we don't know how to defeat these aliens and it just turns out that it's water. And I never thought about it until now. It's like, interesting. What do these people know? What does Mel Gibson know?
- [79:47]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I don't know. Is he really that buff these days?
- [79:49]
Top Lobster
He's pretty buff these days.
- [79:51]
Ed Mabry
Is he, is he like, you know, old man rocked out loud. Okay. I'm not mad at him. I need to do that.
- [79:57]
Top Lobster
He's pretty Jack. Very Jack. All right.
- [80:00]
Ed Mabry
I'm working on mastering my deep squats. I can't. I'm just. Are you in the gym?
- [80:05]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I said, are you in the gym, Ed?
- [80:07]
Ed Mabry
Not as much as I should be. I'm working on like, like mobility right now. And there's this and I was told by my chiropractor to that, you know, the main thing I should do is like get comfortable just being in a deep squat, like on the regular killer and this really healthy as you age. Deep. He said deep. Doing deep squats and also like hanging like, you know, have a pull up bar in the garage and you know, do pull ups. But you say just hang there. That's going to help your shoulder mobility, your spine and all those sorts of things.
- [80:31]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So it's a good idea.
- [80:33]
Ed Mabry
She wants me to do that and get like all my mobility back and then start lifting because if you do that, otherwise you're going to start getting tight. So yeah, the goal is to, you know, be able to, you know, get in deep squat and be there for like several minutes and that, that opens up the hip mobility and you can start doing squats and stuff like that.
- [80:49]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I've unfortunately gotten to the age finally where if I don't warm up before I start lifting. I will tweak something.
- [80:54]
Ed Mabry
Oh, yeah.
- [80:55]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And I just like, man, remember those.
- [80:56]
Top Lobster
Days we were like, warm up, Warm up.
- [80:58]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Are you kidding me? You just go and do whatever the hell you want and you'd immediately. Huh. Now I gotta.
- [81:02]
Top Lobster
We don't, we don't have that much more time with Ed. So we have two more quick questions or. Well, one's not a question. Schizophren says no questions. Just let Ed know he's appreciated. You're appreciated, Ed.
- [81:14]
Ed Mabry
Awesome.
- [81:14]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Schizo friend is appreciated. I like schizo.
- [81:16]
Top Lobster
He's going to come down to hang out at the shop one of these weeks.
- [81:18]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Let's go.
- [81:20]
Top Lobster
And I guess the last question and we could wrap it up here is, what is Ed's favorite book of the Bible? This is a good question.
- [81:28]
Ed Mabry
Wow.
- [81:30]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
- [81:30]
Ed Mabry
I gotta pick one. I'm gonna cheat and pick three. What?
- [81:37]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's not fair.
- [81:37]
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- [81:38]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I know.
- [81:38]
Ed Mabry
It's totally not. But they're different, very different reasons. And one is I love the Book of Daniel. Daniel is like one of my favorite books because it, there's so much there about God's nature and also the nature of, of the spiritual realm. And the Elohim, you know, that's the, the greatest prophecy of Jesus is in chapter nine, the 70th week, the 70 weeks prophecy. It gets behind the scenes into what's going on in the spiritual realm with, with the, with the, his vision of those four beasts and talking about how they represent, they represent all the empires. And then chapter 10 where you have the battle between the, the, the angel who's coming down to give him a message and he has to fight the Prince of Persia. And then after that he says, I've got to go back and fight this guy again. And then I've got to fight the Prince of Greece. And that's letting you know that. And again, the Greek empire was like 200 years later. And so, so you, so first of all, they knew that Greece would be the next major empire. And, and it's a spiritual battle going on behind the scenes, not just what's happening on the surface. And so what happens in the spiritual realm happens first, then it happens in the, in the physical realm. So that was. So I love Daniel. The other one is the book of Romans, because if you ever want the book of Romans is systematic theology. Paul starts at the very beginning and just explains Christianity. The first eight chapters of the book of Romans is the greatest explanation of the Christian faith that you're ever going to find it Starts with original sin, go and goes all the way to salvation and why it's important. So I love that. And of course, my. So I guess if you want to nail me down, my favorite book is Revelation. I just, I, I just dig. And I've done a whole series on it, so that. So I guess my favorite book would be Revelation. An honorable mention goes to Daniel and Romans. And the reason I love Revelation is because it helps you understand. First of all, because you have to know the rest of the Bible in order to understand Revelation. And it's the, the last chapter, it's the grand finale. It's, it's, you know, it's the final lightsaber duel. It's the, the end of every good movie has that climactic scene where everything comes together and the hero gets what he wants and, and the Revelations at the end of Revelation, God gets what he wants in the end.
- [83:50]
Top Lobster
I never understood people who said, like, there's a lot of people, like devout Christians who go, I don't really care too much about the book of Revelation. I'm not an end times guy. I'm like, how could you not be? It is the. God's telling you his story. And that's the part where you go, there's a part in the Stephen King book where he, he goes, before you end this story, the Dark Tower, he goes, you could stop here and just be happy with the journey, or you could turn the page and finish the story and everybody finishes the story. I was like, how could you? This is the end of the story. Like, this is the part, and this.
- [84:21]
Ed Mabry
Is the part of the story that you're in. We are in that. I believe we're in the church age. So we're in that. Chapters two and three of Revelation, we're in the church age. And then, you know, why wouldn't you want to know what's going to happen next right in the world? The reason people don't get into. Because it's a tough read. I mean, that's why I did 60 bloody episodes on it.
- [84:40]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [84:40]
Ed Mabry
And even then, I still think I just only scratched the surface. It's very complex. And some people just don't. They want to read the Beatitudes. Blessed are they who do this. Which is fine, don't get me wrong. And the parables are great, but some people just don't want to take that deeper. Dive. It takes a lot of effort to understand Revelation. And if you don't want to put forth the effort, then you're like, I don't Care about that. It's weird. It's like people don't like conspiracies. What's wrong with you?
- [85:04]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, get out of here. Well, here's a weird conspiracy. I have a weird conspiracy. I can't help it. I just notice patterns, you know, we go through Revelation with Ed. We go through the Book of Daniel with Matt. Ed says bloody, which is like a kind of an English.
- [85:18]
Top Lobster
Matt says, wanker.
- [85:20]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
What the heck is going on?
- [85:22]
Top Lobster
He's got, like, British spies or something.
- [85:23]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Weird. Dude.
- [85:24]
Ed Mabry
No. Okay, here's something I'm gonna say that's not. It's not very kind, but I've never really liked Brits that much. I don't know what it is about Brits.
- [85:33]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It just.
- [85:34]
Ed Mabry
I've never had a good experience. It's so funny. When I was talking to. When I was. A couple months ago, when I. When I. I was talking to Merkel when I was. He flew me out there to talk to him. We both have that in common. Totally off the cuff. He's like, you know what? I just can't stand Brits. I'm like, me too.
- [85:47]
Top Lobster
Me too.
- [85:47]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Not into him.
- [85:48]
Top Lobster
Me too.
- [85:49]
Ed Mabry
Here's the thing. I will acquiesce that every. Because every interaction I've had with a Brit, they've been an A hole. Now, I will totally admit that maybe, like, 95% of Brits are wonderful people. And I've just, by sheer luck, only run into the 5% that are wankers.
- [86:05]
Top Lobster
You know what? I. Here's the reality. I don't deal with losers.
- [86:10]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
They're big losers.
- [86:11]
Top Lobster
They just lose. Like, when I look at them, I just go, 1776.
- [86:14]
Ed Mabry
You know?
- [86:15]
Top Lobster
What are we talking about here?
- [86:16]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
They're bad losers, too.
- [86:18]
Top Lobster
No, they're good. They're good. Just stay over there.
- [86:19]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, I mean, like, you know, you lose and you have some, like, hey, good game.
- [86:22]
Top Lobster
They lost. Like, they lost dentistry.
- [86:24]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And, like, they just keep making food.
- [86:27]
Ed Mabry
Okay, real quick. How come. Why are all of our actors Brits? I mean, Spider Man's a Brit Superman.
- [86:34]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I don't like that.
- [86:35]
Ed Mabry
I'm like, did we run out of American actors?
- [86:37]
Top Lobster
The guy from House. The guy from the Walking Dead is British.
- [86:42]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Is Christian Bale British?
- [86:43]
Ed Mabry
Yes, he is.
- [86:44]
Top Lobster
They might be. See what I mean?
- [86:45]
Ed Mabry
The Christian Bale is a Brit.
- [86:47]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Why are they trying to take, like, super people and make them Brit? Like, British people are far from super. Like, genetically speaking, they're a mess. The teeth thing, that everything.
- [86:55]
Top Lobster
And also, they put them with a different. This is like, we've gone off the road, they put him with a different accent. Rick Grimes has a British accent, and.
- [87:02]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
They put him in a country accent.
- [87:03]
Top Lobster
Yeah. What are you doing? We got country people here.
- [87:05]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
We have plenty of country.
- [87:06]
Top Lobster
You wouldn't hire me to do a British accent for a British role. Makes no sense.
- [87:10]
Ed Mabry
But you have an island the size of what, like, I don't know, maybe it's the size of not. Not even New York, maybe Virginia or something. And you have this whole country and you can't come. It's so weird when you're hearing an actor, you know, they're doing their. They're doing their thing on stage or whatever, and then you hear them interview and like to have the accent. I'm like, you're a brick, too. Yeah.
- [87:29]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Always disappoint. I think we should bomb them.
- [87:31]
Top Lobster
No, David. David, no.
- [87:36]
Ed Mabry
But all that to say. I use. I just say bloody because I don't want to. I'm trying not to use profanity. Not that I. Not that it's not, but it's. It can be a stumbling block. That's why I don't use profanity on faith by reason, not because I don't use it in real life. Drive with me and you will hear me cursing like a sailor killer. But I don't want it to be a stumbling block to certain people who believe that it's wrong to curse. Just like Paul said, I don't. Don't eat meat, sacrifice idols. Because I'm a stumbling block. I try my best not to use profanity when I'm talking on a show about Christ. Just that reason.
- [88:06]
Top Lobster
I. I've been trying to try.
- [88:08]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I'm not so good at it.
- [88:09]
Top Lobster
I was.
- [88:09]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I. I was doing the Raven the other day, and I was saying some choice words, but I'm reeling it. I'm getting better.
- [88:14]
Top Lobster
I think I've been doing better. I do the editing on it, and I look, we look, look, we look at the slurs.
- [88:19]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And you could see it used to be like 32 times.
- [88:21]
Top Lobster
I count them. I said, david did that one. But we got to get out of here.
- [88:25]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
All right, Ed, thank you for joining us. One more time before you get out of here, though. Where can everybody find your.
- [88:29]
Top Lobster
Your work?
- [88:30]
Ed Mabry
You find me on faithbyreason.net you can be. You can read the stuff there for free. Some. A lot of stuff's going behind the paywall there. And if you go behind the paywall, you can. You can get, you know, the discounts on the books. You can get all the Revelation series when I do the spiritual warfare class. It's going to be, you know, you have access to it if you want to pay through Patreon as well. But it'll be through this because it's through WordPress. I'll be, I'll be doing there using their membership stuff there to, to have the course available because it's a little easier doing it on Patreon. So you have access to that there. Wonderful. And so on Patreon at Faith by Reason of patreon.com faithbyreason that's where you do the. Get the Q&As and you get content dropping there first and the Revelation series and Bible study and all that great stuff. And oh, I have to do one thing. There are different tiers of Patreons and one of the things I promise for my people who are my Patreons who are at the higher tier, I said I will start giving them shout outs. So do a quick shout out to a few to my upper tier Patreons. That's Alex, Trevor, Erno Contra and Nishi Group. Those, those folks are supporting me at a higher level. I really appreciate the support. And if you want to get a shout out here and on some of my other stuff, hey, look at.
- [89:45]
Top Lobster
Go to the different appreciation benefactor and then he goes in the cornerstone. He's like sugar daddy. I love it.
- [89:52]
Ed Mabry
Yeah. If you go, if you go to that level, I will call you, I will refer to you as sugar daddy or sugar mama on every.
- [89:57]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
We have a daddy tier.
- [89:59]
Top Lobster
Yeah, we got one too. We got a daddy tear and a mommy tier.
- [90:03]
Ed Mabry
And I think you're a wild man. Yeah. One of the levels I give you, you know, signed copies of my book actually need to send those out pretty soon. I gotta sign them up, those and mail into those folks. So. Yeah, it's just some people have asked. We want to support you more. I'm like, okay, great. Yeah, I, I will give you the opportunity to do that and I will try to give you something a little special and you know, if you're at the 100 at the. The what? The cornerstone tier, then I, you know, we get a monthly one on one with me where I can. We'll just talk about whatever we want to talk about.
- [90:30]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
By the way, on the way out. 75. It held strong. A lot more votes, but it held strong. 75 of the dangerous retards say no Christians should not celebrate.
- [90:41]
Top Lobster
You have to get your sour candies at the store, Ed. Yeah, sorry.
- [90:44]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You got to know your own path though. You got to know where you are as a Christian.
- [90:47]
Ed Mabry
That's.
- [90:47]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's what.
- [90:48]
Ed Mabry
Don't do it. If, if you don't want to do it, then Absolutely, all 75 of you don't. Absolutely not. That's no problem with that. I, like I said, if you are doing it and you're just having fun, don't feel guilty. But if you don't want to do it, then do not.
- [91:02]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
All right.
- [91:03]
Top Lobster
You got an awesome Halloween episode, Ed. Thanks again. Always a blessing when you come on and I'm encouraging. I see the fact that you've opened up the tiers means that people have asked and means that they're supporting you. And that is awesome.
- [91:16]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That is awesome.
- [91:17]
Top Lobster
It's all. It's. Yeah, dude. Yeah. You can't. You can only open the thing up and show the people, but they are the ones that have to choose it and they're choosing correctly.
- [91:29]
Ed Mabry
And you know, like I said, I offered it at that hundred dollar tier that, you know, we. You get an hour with something like an hour, 45 minutes, whatever, and they, and they want the time. And I've actually had that with folks. I'm like, hey, thank you. I appreciate it. I will def. I will be happy to spend time with you directly and talk about whatever you want to talk about. There's been some questions, some spiritual warfare stuff. And, you know, I val. I appreciate you valuing my time. And so, yeah, if you want to do that, then join that tier. If you don't, join whatever you want to do.
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