Straight Bible\NDS Q&A (Raven and Matt)

Summary

---

Nephilim Death Squad: “Straight Bible / NDS Q&A (Raven and Matt)”

Date: June 19, 2026
Host: TopLobsta Productions
Co-Hosts: Matt and Raven

Episode Overview

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad is a freeform, live Q&A session, with Raven and Matt fielding listener-submitted questions about Christian life, Bible interpretation, spiritual practice, family faith, and more—all from a raw, relatable, and often humorous perspective. The discussion is intentionally unscripted, emphasizing practical faith, honesty, and authenticity. The tone flows from light-hearted banter to heartfelt spiritual guidance.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing Children to Faith & Spiritual Reality

• Read the Bible Aloud: The foundational advice for introducing young children (toddlers) to the faith is, simply, “read them the Bible, dude” (03:05).

  “There’s a certain way [kids] ask... If you do Bible study with grownups... there’s certain questions they’re not going to ask because they don't want to look stupid. ...Kids don’t have any of that.” —Raven

• Live Out the Stories: Faith should be modeled, not just taught. Pray for sick kids; lay hands and pray over pets; treat the Bible not as ‘stories’ but “the story of reality” (10:03).

  “You gotta read it and live it and then live it and then read it, and it... then read, read it and then live it.” —Raven

2. The Nature of Jesus’ Humanity & Divinity

• The group dabbles in classic debates: Is Jesus genetically Jewish? Is Mary a mere incubator? What makes Jesus “fully God and fully man”?
• Raven asserts: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man, not “half of each”—Mary was the vessel, but the power and blood are God’s (06:14).

  “It’s the blood of God that sanctifies. Right? It’s not the blood of a human.” —Raven (06:14)

3. Embedding Faith in Family Practices & Culture

• Stories from Raven about reading the Bible with his kids and how it situates Jewish figures as childhood heroes, which leads to nuanced talk about Israel and its perception in Christian-dominated discussions.

  “All my heroes are Jews is a banger.” —Matt (05:07)

• Use resources like children's versions of Pilgrim’s Progress to reinforce spiritual journeys.

4. Building Community & Discipleship Outside Institutional Church

• Mention of NDS Bible Study on Discord—a decentralized way for listeners to foster faith-based fellowship and Bible study (07:26, 08:09).
• Raven and Matt encourage audience-driven engagement.

5. Living the Faith: Not Just Theory

• Matt and Raven repeatedly stress putting faith into practice (“living it”): from praying over pets to addressing illness and crises in real time (10:03-11:35).
• Faith is a way of interpreting reality, not just a religious checkbox.

---

Listener Q&A – Notable Responses & Moments

Q: How do we keep things from becoming idols in a modern world? (e.g., phones, work)

• Anything that sits between you and God can become an idol. Self-examination and honest prayer are required (15:19):

  “I always want to ask God, what does this have to do with your kingdom? ...like, is this just a thing that I just want to do, or is this something...for your kingdom?” —Raven (16:44)

• Phones are engineered to hijack attention (Matt: “It’s engineered to hijack all of your attention.” (18:08))
• Substitute screen/scroll time with prayer and Bible reading for genuine spiritual deepening.

Q: Would your wife ever join the show for a husband/wife Q&A?

• Raven: No, not likely—she’s private, content doing her thing away from the mic, despite being someone his community looks up to (12:04):

  “...She has a rad story in this rad life ...but she’s too chill for that and doesn’t want to be an influencer.” —Raven

Q: Advice to those married to a non-believer, or with hostility toward faith?

• Live it, don’t fight about it. Gently model faith, avoid confrontational evangelism. Pray earnestly for the hostile spouse (or loved one).

  “People that know us closest...are the hardest.” —Raven (27:44)

• The parable of forgiveness (Matthew 18) is invoked for relational patience and letting God work (32:46).
• Matt shares about his own slow journey from skepticism to embracing faith alongside his wife.

Q: How to explain salvation to kids?

• “Know the Lord”—not just a checkbox moment: Rather than a one-time ‘sinner’s prayer,’ emphasize a growing, ongoing relationship:

  “I told them they gotta know God. I don’t really talk in terms of, like, salvation...I talk in terms of you gotta know the Lord.” —Raven (42:27)

---

Book Recommendations for Bible Explorers

(with Raven’s annotations, 37:35)

• Pilgrim’s Progress (Bunyan)
• Holy War (Bunyan)
• Bible Characters (Alexander Whyte)
• G. Campbell Morgan (anything; top of Raven’s list)
• Watchman Nee (The Spirit of the Word)
• Oswald Chambers (My Utmost for His Highest)
• Andrew Murray
• Spurgeon, Moody, Baxter, Ravenhill, Derek Prince (video sermons also recommended)

---

Addressing Difficult Bible Passages & Theology

Romans 13—Submitting to Government Authority

• Christians should be law-abiding and recognize God’s authority over all power structures, but not compromise when government opposes God (47:37).

  “As bad as it is for an overreaching evil empire, ...even that is better than anarchy.” —Raven “We ought to obey God rather than men.” (51:04)

The Spiritual Condition of Solomon at Death

• No explicit Bible answer; Raven leans on the long game, humility, and the idea that even Solomon, despite wisdom, failed through returning to the “world” for satisfaction (54:36, 64:04).

  “Christian life is the long game, man. And if Solomon wasn’t built for that type of life, who was? You ain’t.” —Raven (65:53)

On Praying to Saints & the Dead

• Hebrews 12’s “cloud of witnesses” suggests the saints may watch, but nowhere in scripture is communication or prayer to them sanctioned (107:43, 108:13):

  “I don’t know what they’re doing, but I’m not told anywhere to be communicating with them.” —Raven

Excommunication / Church Discipline

• Biblical model is about maintaining community purity, not ultimate judgment on salvation (98:32).
• It’s a “contagion” issue: if active unrepentant sin persists and discipline fails, removal from community may be necessary.

---

Miscellaneous Highlights

Spiritual Practices & Prayer

• Matt explores replacing rote, formulaic prayer with ongoing ‘conversation’ with God, emphasizing honesty and friendship (e.g., “Imagine if you went to your wife every day and it was very formulated...thank you for being a good mother...” 22:02–22:22).
• Raven shares a maxim from his mother:

  “Don’t pray to God for anything before you’ve thanked him for what he’s already given you.” (20:19)

On Christian Community & Friendship

• Friendship is overrated, community is important but so is solitude and family. Institutional church is not the only or necessarily best venue for Christian life (80:03).

On Israel & “Replacement Theology”

• Israel as a nation remains relevant in God’s unfolding plan; the Church does not fully “replace” it.

  “They have a unique role. They have a different role than...” (129:49)

Adam & Eve: Heaven or Hell?

• No explicit answer; Raven hopes they’re in heaven, sees their story as ongoing father-son relationship. Repentance (or the lack thereof) is debated (135:03–147:16).

  “Anytime you see God, ask...He’s got an open line of communication with God still.”

---

Favorite Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “All my heroes are Jews is a banger.” —Matt (05:07)
• “You gotta read it and live it and then live it and then read it…” —Raven (11:32)
• “An idol is anything you put before God. And I think if we’re being honest...imagine now with the doomscrolling.” —Raven (18:12)
• “You don’t have to teach them to stop living in a materialistic paradigm. You just have to teach them how to engage with the spiritual one.” —Matt (11:10)
• “There’s no intelligence test to get into heaven.” —Raven (95:03)
• “It’s a long game. Like, Christian life is the long game, man.” —Raven (65:46)
• “There's no shortcut...the number one thing I'm doing reading a Bible or spending my life thinking about the Bible is getting to know God and to be close to Him.” —Raven (45:35)

---

Key Timestamps

(approximate MM:SS; may shift depending on version)

• 03:05 — How to introduce toddlers to spiritual reality
• 06:14 — Jesus’ divinity/humanity and genetic lineage
• 15:19 — Keeping things from becoming idols today
• 22:02 — Resisting formulaic prayer; honest conversation with God
• 42:27 — Salvation and kids: emphasizing relationship over transaction
• 47:37 — Romans 13: Christians, government, and resistance
• 64:04 — Solomon’s long-game failure and lessons for modern faith
• 80:03 — On the overrated nature of friendship in Christian life
• 98:32 — Excommunication and church purity
• 107:43 — On saints, the ‘cloud of witnesses,’ and prayer to the dead
• 135:03+ — Are Adam and Eve in Heaven or Hell? (and what that means for us)

---

Summary Tone & Style

Direct, conversational, often funny but always earnest. The episode is marked by a genuine care for listeners’ spiritual journeys and a commitment to authenticity and applicable faith. Raven and Matt’s dynamic provides a blend of scriptural literacy, real-life stories, and comedic candor. Both encourage listeners to read the Bible fully, prioritize daily spiritual engagement, and remain humble, self-reflective, and open to ongoing growth.

---

Closing Thoughts

This episode captures Nephilim Death Squad at its best: unscripted, deeply engaged, blending sharp biblical commentary with earthy humor and real-world advice. Whether you’re new to faith or a lifelong believer, the episode equips, challenges, and affirms the value of practical, lived Christianity.

---

For questions or to join ongoing Bible studies, listeners are welcomed to reach out—community and curiosity encouraged.

---

Transcript

[Matt]

With

[Raven]

productions. Welcome back to another episode of Matt and the Raven.

[Matt]

That's not what this is.

[Raven]

Q A sessions. Everybody just saw the interview with the Raven. There was actually a lot of people in the chat saying, I'm crying right now. This is such a touching story. We've waited to hear this. What an incredible story of the Raven's life. And so I just want to tell you, thank you for coming on the show to do that.

[Matt]

I actually don't know what anybody said because I couldn't read the chat because it was like, off to the side in a big way. You were reading the chat. I know it's very disrespectful, but I don't know how it was received. But I, you know, I know everything.

[Raven]

It was received very lovingly. People were huge fans and said, they've been with you from the beginning. And the Ravens watch and even the JND or whatever it was called, Jay and the D's. What was it called?

[Matt]

Dave and J versus the World.

[Raven]

Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Matt]

I made up that name, too.

[Raven]

All right, so let's go straight into the questions.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

For.

[Matt]

For, I guess maybe we should say for the listeners, if you want to submit questions, if you want a chance of them being read, they're going to be on straight Bibles Patreon. So if you get a straight Bibles Patreon, you'll see a picture of my feet.

[Raven]

Yeah, which is great. No, because did you read the. Did you read the post?

[Matt]

Friday Q A going live around noon with a very special surprise co host.

[Raven]

Very special surprise co host.

[Matt]

And you posted a picture of my feet.

[Raven]

Atma said, I know them thighs. All right. She knows.

[Matt]

She knows. He. She knows. So if you go there, you find the picture of the feet, you'll be able to submit a question. You know, I don't know. I don't know.

[Raven]

I don't know if they put any questions out today that, that we'll get to because we got to take them in order because it's not right. We've screwed it up a couple times where, like, people ask the questions like in the Post, and then the next day we, you know, when it's live, we start taking questions off the thing. That's not the right thing to do.

[Matt]

Okay. All right, fine. So. Excuse me. The first question comes from Dumbass actual, which is Zach. Zach was. Was here. Zach was here in studio with us once upon a time. He came and hung out for a day. Zach. Yeah. Remember we had A, a listener show up and they were like, it was like a super big dude and I was on the side. Not like a fat dude.

[Raven]

Come on the show, he, I believe, smoked a vape.

[Matt]

Did chronicles with us. Remember we had like a impromptu, like, I guess, and we said, hey, sit down, dog.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah, he was hitting the vape. Yeah.

[Matt]

Pretty sure that was Zach. I stunk up. You guys out on Thanksgiving, says Zach. Yeah, there we go.

[Raven]

So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

So it says, general advice for new fathers. What is the best way to begin introducing the Bible to a toddler? Toddler being what, like five, one to five?

[Raven]

No, just, just read it, dude. It's actually going to be the best thing in the universe for you. Because if you read a Bible to a kid, the kid doesn't do the whole like grown up thing. They're just like, wait, wait, dad, what do you, what do you mean the Red Sea parted? What does that even mean? Like, they'll just say questions like that, right? And then you'll have to explain to a kid, you know, what's happening in the story. That's why sometimes you guys get mad at me when I say, wait, what? Can you explain it? But that's. I'm trying to get you to child. No, I'm just trying to get you to explain it in such a way that it's so clear what you're saying. Because that, that's how kids ask, like, I don't know, growing. If you do Bible study with grown ups, it's cool. But like there's certain questions they're not going to ask because they don't want to look stupid.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Raven]

And then there's a certain way they're going to try to look and be cool. And there's just a certain, even almost like a concept of kind of, I already understand the story even if I don't. Or like kids don't have any of that, dude. It's like the number one thing is just read them the Bible, dude. Especially like when they're going to bed.

[Matt]

That's smart.

[Raven]

Yeah. It's a great way to read the Bible, dude. Yeah.

[Matt]

Why would you do like other bedtime stories, right?

[Raven]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt]

Like you have a book of bedtime stories, you could. And you could revisit them over and over and over again and find new fruits every time.

[Raven]

Yes.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

My homie Ben from End of the World News.

[Matt]

Shout out to Ben from End of the World News. Love that, dude.

[Raven]

Because your friends are my friends.

[Matt]

No, I didn't say that. I would say he's our friend before, he's like, more, I would say, at the least, more our friend than you.

[Raven]

But I was explaining to him because, you know, I don't know if you know or not, but, like, it's the. There's some words that you say, and all of a sudden everybody lose their mind, regardless of which size they're. Which side they're on.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

For that topic, one of them is this word called Israel. And I was just talking to him and saying, like, yeah, dude, all my kids heroes are Jewish. Because their entire childhood, I read them the Bible before bed.

[Matt]

Like, people don't like that.

[Raven]

No, no, they really. Yeah, no, they don't. Isn't that crazy, though? Because that's what I'm saying. When I entered this conversation about Israel and there was like this people going crazy and stuff, like, this is strange to me because, like, all my kids here, all my heroes are Jewish.

[Matt]

All my Jews.

[Raven]

The entire Bible is Jewish people. Sure.

[Matt]

Great. All my heroes are Jews is a banger.

[Raven]

It's just wild, dude. And God's wisdom, for whatever reason he decided to do this way he worked, he operated through a nation.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Which, whatever. I'm not even talking about anything that has anything to do with Israel today. I'm not even doing that. So don't lose your mind in the chat.

[Matt]

I was having this conversation with somebody because they were, you know, it was this idea that Jesus was Jewish and. And how the guy was like, well, I don't think that that means anything. And I'm like, well, I think it does mean something because it's. It's. It's literally a. A symbol of God's promise to Abraham. Right. Like, God promised that the world would be healed through his line.

[Raven]

And so specifically Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, though it's a specific lineage.

[Matt]

Right, Right. But like, so his Jewishness is the genetic material that is of that lineage.

[Raven]

Well, it's genetic, but it's more of a culture. I mean, he's. He's. His genetics is God.

[Matt]

Right, Right. But in that sense, isn't he like, you know, this is what the Raelians believe. They go, oh, Jesus is a Nephilim.

[Raven]

Like, no.

[Matt]

Well, look, if you wanted to say

[Raven]

no, he's 100 God and he's 100 man. Like, he's right.

[Matt]

But you would say he has genetic material. Like, all right, so if you had a Nephilim, it's a good.

[Raven]

It's a good question. I don't think he's made of half Mary and half God. Okay.

[Matt]

Interesting.

[Raven]

I think he's made of 100 God and Mary was an incubator, if you will. I think that's. I think that's what the Bible teaches. And then. And if somebody wants to go back and forth on that, I'm happy to hear it, hear them out. But I don't. I think he was. There's a man in the Godhead. Like, I think that's what people have a hard time with, is like, there's a man in the Goddess. He's a man. He is God. He is man. They had the capability to put him inside Mary's womb, but it was like, it's the blood of God that sanctifies. Right? It's not the blood of a human. True. It's the blood of God, but God is a man. I know that gets a little complicated. I don't want to get in the weeds on it.

[Matt]

No, that's all right.

[Raven]

But that's interesting.

[Matt]

I hadn't thought about that.

[Raven]

But I'm just saying, like, yeah, he's not Puerto Rican, you know.

[Matt]

No, that's for sure.

[Raven]

He's not Canadian, and he was never

[Matt]

going to be Puerto Rican.

[Raven]

Right. So, like, it's just. It's intriguing that God operated through a nation. And so you start to tell these stories to your kids at bedtime. You start to tell them anytime at story time. You read them Bible stories, man, you get like a good Bible book. Or you can even get Pilgrim's Progress. Dude, there is a gangster Pilgrim's Progress. That's like a big book for kids that you can read with, like, really cool pictures, too. That's a great way to tell the story of the Bible.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

Like, through Pilgrim's Progress, too.

[Matt]

Do, by the way, before we go any further, I want to show people this. Guys, if you're interested in this, reach out to Kenny the Fed. You can find him on Twitter. Kenny the Fed on Twitter. If not, just hit us up. I may be able to get you the link, but Discord right now is doing this really fantastic thing. The dangerous retards have gotten together. Nephilim Death Squad, Bible Study, ndsbs. We just had the first one yesterday. Was it yesterday at. That was like, day before yesterday. Whatever. It was. 7:30 at night. I hung out there for an hour. It was really great. Trevor Massey. Sparrow's in there, Cherry's in there, Scott's in there. A bunch of people are in there, and they're all just talking about the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, and

[Raven]

that's what they're Talking about?

[Matt]

Yeah, dude. Yeah, it was really cool.

[Raven]

So are they getting nasty about it or.

[Matt]

No, no, they were super, super dope, really, like, understanding and doing a lot of, like, really thorough explanations. A lot of what? This is what I think, as far as I can tell, type of deal. Yeah. Kenny the Fed. That's his name. Kenny the Fed. Not the. That's not nice. So if you're interested in being a part of that. I don't really know much about how discord works. It just seems like you can kind of hop in there and.

[Raven]

Oh, nice. And Dave Burns is here.

[Matt]

Oh, Dave Burns here.

[Raven]

That's awesome, man.

[Matt]

What's up, Dave? I just wanted to bring my song by while we're.

[Raven]

Bro, what's up?

[Matt]

Yeah, what up? It's a nephilim. What's up, dog? What's up, Dave? How is he taller than you, dude?

[Raven]

Bro, he's huge, man. Look at this guy. Any crushes on guitar, too?

[Matt]

That's awesome. We're getting eclipsed it there. We'll go to Matt's case we don't have.

[Raven]

Do we have chairs, man? No, no.

[Matt]

We just wanted to stop and say hey.

[Raven]

You sure?

[Matt]

Yeah, I've got to go to a wrestling convention. Are you guys around partaking in the wrestling convention?

[Raven]

Work for it. But he's gonna walk around and be taller than everybody?

[Matt]

Hell yeah, dude. That's got to be nice.

[Raven]

You guys coming by the farm at all this weekend?

[Matt]

He'll be up in a couple more weeks. He's doing football practice.

[Raven]

Okay. Come on, dude.

[Matt]

You got him in football. Smart, smart. Very cool.

[Raven]

Come over and play guitar and we'll hang in the food for.

[Matt]

What was your name?

[Raven]

Bo. Bo, that's right.

[Matt]

That makes sense. Good meeting you guys. Take it easy, Dave. I'll see you later. That's always nice. You come by the standard coffee shop. You can come say hi. So, yeah, guys, if you're interested in that, let us know and I'll get you the link for it. And they're doing Bible studies and it's very cool. Post the link. Can't be doing that right now. Kenny, can you post the link in the. The Patreon chat? I see you in there.

[Raven]

Do it, Kenny.

[Matt]

Post the link to the Discord in the Patreon chat there so that people can. Can hop on it. Okay. So anyway, back to you, Matt. No, no, don't.

[Raven]

No, no. I'm just trying to get into the. To the post.

[Matt]

Don't be texting on your own. I got another one.

[Raven]

So confused right now.

[Matt]

Okay, so. So the answer to that question is,

[Raven]

read the Bible, and then you gotta live it. Like, you can't leave. Like, we read these passages about people in the scripture, like, laying hands on people, praying for them, and they're healed.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

So, like, when our dog got sick, they told us the dog had cancer.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

All four of us laid our hands on our dog and prayed for him. Like, you can't. You can't pray for her. Pray for her? Yeah. I mean, yeah, she didn't have cancer, dude. She, like, totally.

[Matt]

I was gonna say, even if it didn't work, you miss 100 of the prayers you don't make.

[Raven]

Yeah, dude, they. They. When we took her back, they were like, yeah, she doesn't have cancer. So, like, you have to do that. Like, you can't be reading stories. So I guess that's another thing is, like, read them these stories, and then when they hear these stories about you can pray for people and they're healed. Like, every time my kids were sick, they'd say. They'd ask Jess or me to pray for them because they were sick. Like, they. They just. You have to get this in their spirit. Because remember, the Bible's not a religion. It's the story of reality. So you're telling kids like, this is the story of reality. You understand what I'm saying? Like. Like, you frame the world that they live in. You say, this is reality. So then when they're sick, they're like, I don't want to be sick. Pray for me. Because that's what they understand. That's what they know. That's the culture that they live in.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And. And so you have to not just read it to them.

[Matt]

That's, like, how you teach them. Stop. You know, you don't have to teach them. Stop living in a materialistic paradigm. You just have to teach them how to engage with the spiritual one.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And that. And. And that's how you just read the stories. They hear those stories.

[Raven]

So then they're sick. They say, pray for me. The dog's sick. They say, let's pray for the dog. Like you. Or even if they don't say it, you say, hey, guys, come here. We're all going to lay hands on Mickey. Like, we're going to pray for her.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Raven]

We don't have a choice here. We got to do this.

[Matt]

All right?

[Raven]

So it's all those things that's, like, the whole thing for everything is you got to read it and live it and then live it and then read it, and it Then read. Read it and then live it.

[Matt]

All right, this is from Hermit's. Huckleberry Hermit says, would your wife ever join for a husband wife Q A? And that's part one of the question. I'll read the other one. But we, you know, answer the first one. How do we keep things from becoming idols in today's world? Food, phone work, etc. So let's. Let's deal with the first one. Would Jess ever join you for a husband wife Q and A?

[Raven]

No. No, no. She would never, ever come on the show ever.

[Matt]

Really?

[Raven]

Yeah. I'm like, sweetie, it would be fun. Like, I was like, you have a. There was a chick at the gym the other day that. And I was glad. Bella. I was working out with Bella, and I went to get water, and this chick, like, chased me down, and she goes, hey, tell your wife thank you so much. I heard you telling the story to somebody else at the gym that she's carnivore and how good her life's going. And it encouraged me. I knew I needed to change my diet, and I was really just struggling to do it. And when I heard her story, I've been carnivore since. She's like, I've had one or two cheat days.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

But for the most part, I've been carnivore and I've lost X amount of weight, and I feel better. Tell your wife thank you. And then so I was like, can you just hang tight for a second? I was like, bella, Bella, come here. So Bella came. I was like, go ahead and tell me. So, like, then Bella got to hear how the lady said this. Jess has, like, this rad story in this rad life. And she would also, if she wanted to, you know that the females on Instagram that are just like.

[Matt]

Oh, like an influencer type character. Yeah.

[Raven]

If you wanted to.

[Matt]

Carnivore influencer.

[Raven]

No, not just that. Like, when she does her name nails, dude, her nails are, like, cooler than any pro nail chain.

[Matt]

I bet you that's true. Because the. The care she takes with pastries. Pastries.

[Raven]

There's, like, little works of sourdough bread. Like, name a thing that's, like, cool today. Like, she's. She's. She's already living it. Yeah, she's, like, picking medicine from the

[Matt]

farm, but she's too chill for that

[Raven]

because I remember anything to do with it.

[Matt]

When you guys were doing the. The, you know, we're doing the big Bible study out front, and we had all those people in here top. And I came back afterwards to like, drop off some equipment or maybe it was mid show, whatever. And Jess was back here, peace and quiet, all alone, Knitting. Yeah, knitting. Couldn't be bothered as a Bible study happening in the back. There's a Bible study happening in the front. She seems like she enjoys her solitude,

[Raven]

but knitting is like a thing too. Like. Like she has 100 things. That's what I'm saying is like, the chicks here, they're like, oh, I want to be Jess when I grow up. Like, like so many girls have said that. Or they say, I hope we're like, I hope when I'm married, we're like, you and Jazz. And they're like, I want to be like. Or such. And such has so much in common with Jazz. But it's like, no, that person doesn't have anything in common with Jazz. They just think all those things are cool. But Jess is actually doing it, right. You have to, like, have the discipline to do it.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

But anyway, I. Dude, I would love that. I would love if she told some of her story because I think it's very encouraging, especially for ladies who are like. Because a lot of females are super anxiety today and super unsure of their self and just, I don't know, there's like a lot of stuff to target for females in society today. I would love it. I don't think she knows how to do the chat or anything. Or, I don't know, maybe she'll text me and say she might be watching. I don't know. But, sweetie, if you ever would, I would love that.

[Matt]

Oh, by the way, the school of flourishing, I saw that you asked a question. I started. If we get through these questions on Patreon, I'll go back and I'll read some of these questions if I catch them in the live chat. Although we're not supposed to keep this live past the 25 minute mark, so, you know, highly unlikely.

[Raven]

What are you, the new Nancy?

[Matt]

Is what the boss said. The boss said.

[Raven]

You know, he did say that.

[Matt]

He did say that.

[Raven]

So he is the biggest.

[Matt]

I gotta kick the people out. The other question and is how do we keep things from becoming idols in today's world? Phone, food, work, etc that comes from hermits. Huckleberry.

[Raven]

Well, I don't. I guess, Yeah, I guess I've actually struggled with that same thing, but I just wasn't calling it an idol. But at the end of the day, it is. It's anything in your life that you put before God. And so, I don't know. I think you have to have some Context. And I think you have to communicate with God about it because I'm in a phase right now, and I've kind of been in a phase for 10 years solid.

[Matt]

Is that a phase?

[Raven]

Well, I don't know what you'd call it. I mean, yeah, because some stuff is 10 years. And then, I mean, I was obsessed with coffee for like 10 years, and now I'm not really necessarily obsessed with it. I'm. I'm more. I don't know, it's kind of like the guy who loves fishing, but then he becomes a fishing charter and he just doesn't. He's not sure he doesn't want to fish when he's not around. Like, I still love coffee, but so much of my coffee life has to do with, like, training new people, getting people to do stuff in uniform, like, you know, just all this other stuff. But like, for the last 10 years, it's been hardcore food forest stuff, right? So, like, a lot of time, I spend a lot of my free time in my mind daydreaming about food forest stuff. And so at some point you, you have to say, like, God, I'm thinking about the food forest more than I'm thinking about you. When I wake up first thing in the morning, do I think about God? That's a big thing, dude. We should be. We should be. And if we're not, I definitely go through phases where I'm not. But when I wake up, I want the first thing to think. I want to think God, that's the first thing I want to think, is like, oh, yeah, this is all the stuff like, that you made. Like, like, thank you. Yeah, right on. I'm still here. I made it through the night. And before we go to bed, we should be thinking about him. But, like, sometimes I wake up and I'm thinking about the food forest or I know you know this, we've talked about it before. I'm thinking about a study I've got to put together. So even, like a Bible study is a good thing, but even that can get in the way of you and God, man. Like, there's a lot of good things that can get in the way of you and God. So for as far as it, how do we keep things from becoming an idol? I always want to ask God, what does this have to do with your kingdom? Yeah, like. Like, is this just a thing that I just want to do, or is this something that maybe somehow in some way, whether I can see it or not, is gonna have something to do with your kingdom? I Don't know why I like obsess over a food forest and like growing stuff and planting stuff, but I don't know if God's like, nah, dude, you, you. Because I could sense myself like ferociously needing to get stuff planted. I don't know if he's like, yeah, man, because at some point this is going to be this thing for your community. Like, this is going to be your thing. Sure. People are going to be drawn to it and that's the way you're going to be able to preach the gospel. I don, I don't know, but I know him enough to know he's kind of guiding me into that. The phone. I don't think the phone can ever be like a good thing.

[Matt]

No, I don't think this one can ever be a good thing either. I think it's, it's, you know, teams of engineers and psychologists are working together to create the most parasitic thing that they possibly can.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You know, so it's, it's, it's engineered to hijack all of your attention.

[Raven]

And an idol is anything you put before God. And I think if we're being honest, I mean, I remember the OG preachers saying a long time ago, if people want to be super deep and spiritual, just substitute the amount of time you spend in front of a TV with the amount of time you spend with a Bible. He said, just separate those two things and all of a sudden you'll have a spiritual church. So imagine now with the doom scrolling. Oh yeah, dude. Imagine if you substituted the time with a phone.

[Matt]

You ever noticed that tick tock is like flipping through the channels?

[Raven]

I can't play tick tock. But I did start to do. I think it's similar on Instagram where it's just a short thing.

[Matt]

Exactly.

[Raven]

Yeah. But then next thing you know, boobs show up. Oh yeah, you're going like this. And then you know what I was talking about? There's boobs and then you're watching a little longer than you should. So then the next one's boo. You're like, I can't, I can't even.

[Matt]

Dude, the way that it, it does that, it's like, oh, so you like that, huh? You looked at that for a few seconds.

[Raven]

It's like, no, there's like a shock and off actor. Just like if a fight one pops up, like, sure. Normally I'm watching like cliff diving or like, you know, like, I just like cliff. I like watching cliff.

[Matt]

D. I got to a thing for a long time where I watched black people Fight. And then all of my thing was just black people fighting. But, you know, I. I was wondering about this idea of. Of, you know, you talking about thinking about God every day and first thing that you do when you wake up. And I. I kind of like found myself getting distant for a while and not talking to God as much. And now I've come back to it and. And I'm trying to do it differently because what was happening before was I was praying almost in a formula, formulaic fashion.

[Raven]

Bad.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

So we're gonna read that on the next stray Bible I'm.

[Matt]

I'm thinking about, like, well, what do I first want to pray for? I want to first pray for God's will above all things, whatever that is. Let's get that first. So first off, like, you know, when in the Bible it talks about, like, your will be done, your kingdom come, like, whatever it is, whatever your plan is, above all things. That then I move on to sort of gratitude.

[Raven]

Yeah. I probably start with gratitude and then go into.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, and then I go. Because it's also gratitude for his plan.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, thank God you have a plan. Thank God I'm part of that.

[Raven]

Dude, My mom dropped some banger one liners back in the day, dude. One of them was, don't pray to God for anything before you've thanked him for what he's already given you.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Raven]

Like, as much like, I've been through a lot of life since that time, that's the thing that's always stuck with me. And I just. I don't know, like, that's ingrained in me. It's like, if I'm gonna start communicating with God, like, the very first thing I'm gonna say is like, hey, thanks that I'm still here.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Not really sure how you pulled it off. Thank you so much. And I'm still here.

[Matt]

That's it. So I'll go. I'll go, you know, your plan. And then of course, that goes into like, thank you for your plan. Yeah, thank God God has a plan.

[Raven]

It's a Come up with it.

[Matt]

Yeah, dude. Yeah. We'd be all screwed. And then it is, you know, like, repentance. But, like, just. Just I'm sorry for the things in which. Like, you know, if I was extra grumpy dad that week, or maybe I was.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Too gluttonous because I'm eating all the sweets at Matt's party or, you know, whatever, like these things that take that take over me. And then I try to go praying for Enemies. Because I've, that's something that I've kind of learned is like a, it's a little bit of a trick almost. I feel like it expedites the things that you ask for. And then when I do ask for things, it's really just like, let me be a good tool, let me be a good servant, whatever. But that's the formula. And what I found was like, I'm not. So, so the Bible is.

[Raven]

You kind of were sticking to that formula.

[Matt]

So, all right, there's that and then there's the Bible, which is getting to understand God, God's story, who God is, the nature of God, like all these things. But there's like a third component that I was missing and that was just like conversating. Like I don't have. It feels like, imagine if you went

[Raven]

to your wife every day and I

[Matt]

was very formulated, like, thank you for being a good mother and thank you for being a good wife and thank you for keeping.

[Raven]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, it's, it's, it's just as real, it's more real than that relationship. Think of how offended. Yeah, your wife would be like, hey, you freaking robot. Like, yeah, like what?

[Matt]

And then I'm reading a story about my wife all the time.

[Raven]

Yeah, no, that. Dude, we're touching on a major topic.

[Matt]

So it's like a three part thing. That's why I, I kind of came away because I was like, every day I'm doing this, every day I'm praying to God and every day I'm, I'm hitting these same things and in that way, like I'm over analyzing and I'm like, I gotta be, it's got to be God's plan. And then I gotta be grateful for God's plan. And then I gotta like pray for these people that may not be praying for me. And then I've gotta like all these different things and it's like I, I realized like I wasn't talking to him, like he was like a friend or a father.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah, imagine like it's good to do those things, but then it's good to be like, hey, God, that thing that happened in the shop today was crazy, wasn't it? Like, that was wild. Like, what do you want me to do with that? Or like, what am I supposed to, you know, how do you want me to handle this? Or thank you for this person being there. But they've got this thing, like, how should I handle that thing with them? And yeah, yeah, it's just. It's a real living. You're having a real conversation with the creator of the universe.

[Matt]

That's like a little bit trickier. No, it's a little bit. No, no.

[Raven]

It's a lot easier.

[Matt]

I mean, for. It becomes easy. But it is like, you know, understanding who God is. You know where to go for that. And then, like, the structure of prayer, which I do think is important, because if you're just going to God every day and you're like, God bless me, Give me the money and the good job. God, yes.

[Raven]

He knows what you have need of before you even ask, dude. So why. I don't know. I'm at. I get to a point where I don't even really feel.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And I've walked and I have a track record with God now where, like, he does a thing where I'm like, I wouldn't even have asked for that. Thank God he was in charge of what he was doing instead of, like, me just asking for stuff.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah. That. I. I feel that way as well. So I don't really ask for anything. Like, I don't ask for anything except

[Raven]

for, like, his will.

[Matt]

Yeah. Just like, show me a thing that's in the way of me being a good servant or being a good tool and like, like, help me to address that thing.

[Raven]

Is that bag of chicken still in here? What's that?

[Matt]

Yeah, dude, that's a chicken, bro.

[Raven]

Hell yeah, man.

[Matt]

I got a bag of publix fried chicken on the floor. I need to eat something for you. Okay. All right. I don't want to take up all the time with my things.

[Raven]

Okay. Yeah. What was the. Did we get the question?

[Matt]

Yeah, that was how to keep things from being an idol. And you basically, like, keep your eyes on God.

[Raven]

Right. And I think that helps too, is to just say, God, what does this have to do with your kingdom? Like, can I justify. Like, I don't know. I. I know the voice of God. I know his wooings of me and guidance of me.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

To know that, like, he wants me to do a food forest thing.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And I look at. I'm saying, like, yeah, this isn't really for personal gain. Like, I'm spending a lot of my free time that I could be doing something somewhat funner, but I don't know about more satisfying. Like, building a farm is very satisfying.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

But I just have to believe that, like, he's guided me in this thing to help other people too, including my wife, my k. Kids, my grandkids. I don't even know yet, like my community, hopefully at some point, but just like, yeah. What does this have to do with your kingdom? Hunting can be a thing too. Like, I get in phases where, like when it's hunting season, like, all I'm thinking about is hunting. You know, it's like you just kind of have to just keep an eye on it. Hey, we're gonna stay close to them and communicate with them.

[Matt]

We're at the 25 minute mark.

[Raven]

We're at like the 25 second mark.

[Matt]

We'll let the poor people get five more minutes. Five more minutes. Okay. And then we're gonna. This will come out. Obviously it's in its entirety, but we're gonna cut the stream soon to the YouTube and then it'll be released elsewhere and then eventually on, on the channel.

[Raven]

So, yeah, Food forest is just the same way God does stuff like. No, there's nobody walking through a forest like fertilizing it and watering it. It's the decomposing of leaves and everything else that's natural. So you use a mulch system.

[Matt]

Yeah, I was looking at that. I came over your place and I saw you were like stacking like just like trimmings around the base of the tree and all that chop and drop.

[Raven]

Yeah, because you can grow your own fertilizer. You chop it and drop it just like in a regular forest. Well, somebody said something. Okay, what's the next one?

[Matt]

Okay, so we got hgtv. Holly, who's whose father's house has many rooms? Father's man.

[Raven]

Oh, I remember that one.

[Matt]

She says, any advice to someone who is married to a non believer? Very personal. But my husband says he believes in God, but He hates the 501C3. I get it. That's what she says. Wouldn't come to my baptism.

[Raven]

That stinks. Yeah.

[Matt]

And mocks Christians and the Bible, sadly. Okay, so this is, I get, I know this type of person believes in God. Just we're not doing the Christian definition of God, so. Yeah, he even laughed at me and made gay jokes when he found me in the prayer closet. That sucks, dude. That I cleared out, made without telling him. That sucks. That actually sucks a lot. I, I hate that. I don't know what indoctrination taught him this, but he and his sister both say the Bible is just quote one man's translation whenever I quote scripture. I, I, I don't know what indoctrination taught that either. Hgtv, Holly. But that is super common and even an idea that I kind of kept in my back pocket all Those years ago. Just looking for any advice that hopefully won't start any fights between us. And Owl. Lauren from a previous episode says second. So that means that this is a common. A common thing.

[Raven]

So she's already on the path just by that last part. Any advice that hopefully won't start any fights between us? You're already like miles ahead of the average.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like, it's a slow thing, It's a seed planting thing. It's a gentle, you know.

[Raven]

Well, it's just like the people that know us closest, dude, that. It's like, those are the hardest. But. But the answer is pray. Like we're talking about. Yeah, dude, take that exact scenario. Take that exact thing and communicate with God about it. Just like he's in the room. Just like Top and Raven make fun of me when I pray. It's like I'm talking to somebody in the room. Just do exactly that. Say God, like, and don't be afraid to cry or like, however you really do feel about it, like, whatever your

[Matt]

innermost feelings know is what you're feeling.

[Raven]

Don't worry that anybody's watching or seeing you. Pray just, like, go to God and like, really let it out to him. Just be like, God, this is this thing. Like, like, what am I supposed to be doing with this? I'm like, him. Get him involved and like, let him start to work on it. And then my advice for like, how you're living your life is like, you just have to live it. You have to be very mindful to live it. And it's very easy to. Yeah. Get in the fights and be like, oh, yeah, well, you did this. Oh yeah, you did that. We start doing that with each other. Like, I don't know. I feel like it's very easy. People understand what I'm saying. If you don't, you say mean stuff about this next statement, then that's on you.

[Matt]

But are you gonna say something mean?

[Raven]

No, I'm just saying something you have to understand in context. It's very easy to be a missionary to another country. Right. It's a lot. It's a lot harder to be a missionary own home or in. Or in your own community with people who know. It's much harder to do that in your own home is the hardest.

[Matt]

You know what? It is something very similar. It's easy to stand up to strangers than it is your own friends. Your own friends and family. Very hard to stand up to them and, you know, kind of stand on your beliefs. What do you think about the idea of he believes in God but not like the Christian. God is not defining it. Scripture is just.

[Raven]

Well, I don't know him, but it's funny that he says that she said his sister too. Because my brother and sister are kind of. Kind of that, like, that way.

[Matt]

It's very common.

[Raven]

Just kind of like, you know, also. Yeah. The news can be trusted, you know, like, sure. Medical system can be trusted. The government can be trusted. Like, kind of, you know, from like the world of, like, being a normal person.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And. And succeeding within that system and just kind of like, oh, this Christian thing. That's so stupid.

[Matt]

I love that she cleared out a space, made a prayer closet. That's huge, man. That's awesome. Huge bummer that he. He made fun of it, but I mean, that's.

[Raven]

No, no, no. This is like a great. This, like, this is a great opportunity for this to be a wonderful story.

[Matt]

Yeah, it is. Yeah.

[Raven]

Sometime down the road. Right?

[Matt]

That's what I'm saying. The fact that he made fun of it and called it gay.

[Raven]

Imagine when he gets it.

[Matt]

Yeah. But also, like, okay, that's a pretty small reaction. That's cool. You know, I mean, it's not like he was like, what are you doing? Fix this closet up. Quit doing that in the house. Like, he just kind of made fun of you. Mocked it a little bit like, okay.

[Raven]

And how much of that is. You're kind of, you know, touching a nerve on him, man.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Raven]

That's usually how it goes that he knows. So that's what I'm saying. Just be very gentle with them. Yeah. I think sometimes we get in this spot where we think that, I don't know, we just forget how good Jesus has been to us and what he saved us from. Yeah. We just need to be mindful of being that good to others who are mocking us. And.

[Matt]

Yeah, I had a. I had a weird, you know, transition into all of this. And I'm so grateful that God allowed it to happen the way that it did. And it was really slow going, but my wife being a Jehovah's Witness, an ex Jehovah's Witness, I was so. I. I wasn't against Christianity. I was against the Jehovah's Witnesses because I saw a lot of things that didn't make sense. It wasn't so much in the theology. I didn't know what they believed, just on how they treated people and how they would, like, cast them out and they would close doors on them and they would tell families to turn their backs on People who fell away from the church and things like that, and that just didn't make sense to me. Because if you're trying to, you know, spread the gospel, why would you. People who are struggling with their faith, you outcast them. You know, that doesn't seem like what you do. So I. I had a lot of issues with the way the system was. When she finally came out of it, I thought there was gonna come a time where I was probably going to end up looking at Christianity, and this is eventually what did happen. And, like, I don't want to be like, hey, I know you went through all that to come out of being a Jehovah's Witness, but, like, let's jump right back into Christianity, you know what I mean? Like, you. Can you see how that would have been? I didn't want to do that to her. So my. My walk started happening, like, privately on my own, and then she would see it, and it would just be like,

[Raven]

that's what it's supposed to be. Anything other than that ends up being a disaster. But I thought for sure, trying to win an argument or, like, tell somebody who doesn't believe in the authority of Scripture, telling them scriptures, is it eventually,

[Matt]

though, you know, when the conversations did start happening out loud to one another, like, she had seen it, and she knew the path that I took to get there. And so she was just like, okay,

[Raven]

okay, here's a story I keep in mind, especially about how if somebody's like, did, you know, did me wrong? Or, you know, you feel like, you know, it sounds like a story where there's a little bit of like, yeah, my husband, like, did me wrong. Sure.

[Matt]

I mean, what did she say? She says that he wouldn't come to the baptism. Mocked Christianity.

[Raven]

She says, sadly, yeah, I could see where that would be, like, hurt feelings and be bitter and unforgiving. This is a story that I think of in that. This is in Matthew 18, starting in verse 21. Then came Peter to Jesus and said, lord, how often shall my brother sin against me? And I forgive him till seven times. Jesus said unto him, I say not unto thee until seven times, but until seventy times seven. Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him 10,000 talents, but for as much as he had not to pay, his Lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife and children and all that he had in payment to be made the servant. Therefore fell down and worshiped him. Saying, lord, have patience with me and I will pay you all. Then the Lord of that servant was moved with compassion and loosed him and forgave him the debt. But the same servant went out and found one of his fellow servants which owed him a hundred pants, right? So he owes this guy 10,000 talents. He gets forgiven the debt. He goes out and finds a guy that owes a hundred pence and laid hands on him and took him by the throat saying, pay me that you owe me. And his fellow servant fell down on his feet and besotom saying, have patience with me and I'll pay you all. And he would not but went and cast him into prison till he should pay the debt. So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry and came and told unto their Lord all that was done. Then his Lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, oh, you wicked servant, I forgave you all the debt because you desired me. You should not thou also have had. You should us not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee. Sorry, the King James got a little funny there. He's saying, shouldn't you have had mercy on this servant the same way I had mercy on you?

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

And his Lord was wroth and delivered into the tormentors till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly father do also unto you if you from your hearts forgive not everyone his brother their trespass. Okay, so I know it's long winded, but like anytime I find myself with like even, yeah, like a loved one. I've been in this scenario with people before, man, where maybe I want to hold a grudge against them and I just have to stop and look at who I was and what Christ did for me. Yeah, and then you're embarrassed that you end up being embarrassed. I'm holding a grudge against this person, which, not to say that's not terrible to live with a spouse who's like mocking you. I know it is, but just keep the context of like what you look like to Jesus and he still died for you to save you. Yeah, we have to have that same forgiveness and that same mercy to other people, man.

[Matt]

Also man. It's like when that comes together, it's gonna be beautiful. Yeah, it's going to be a beautiful

[Raven]

thing that's going to tell the testimony one day in the story of how he used to mock his wife. But her sweetness and her mercy and her forgiveness towards him is what won him to the Lord. Like to me, I just read that. I go, that's a great opportunity.

[Matt]

Yeah. This. This next one is a really interesting con question. This comes from FJ Fool. FJ says, how would you witness to someone who is angry with God?

[Raven]

Same. This is the same question, isn't it?

[Matt]

In a lot of ways it is, right? I mean, it feels like you almost wouldn't. You would live a life that would witness to them, pray for them.

[Raven]

Yeah. For one, which. Which, if you study Paul's writings, he never really prays for anybody that he hasn't thanked God for. He. If. If you notice his. Well, I don't know if that's an accurate statement. I'm just saying that, like, his letters, he's always thanking God for people. And I think it's a good practice. I heard this somewhere. It's a good practice to not pray for anybody that you can't thank God for. So if you're going to pray for somebody, thank God for them first. So say it's somebody who's, what, hostile to God, Angry at God.

[Matt]

Interesting.

[Raven]

Yeah. Thank God for them first and then pray for them and then live it, man. Yeah, that's really the thing for everybody, bro, is you got to live it. Like, you gotta live it. If you don't live it, then it doesn't matter. Like. Like it doesn't matter. And I'm not saying you have to live it Tomorrow, if this is new to you, start cultivating that time with God. Get alone with God. Don't try to read books about how to do Christian stuff like, just get alone with God. Let him work on you. And slowly but steadily, the same way a fruit tree grows like it's a seed, and then boom. It takes a long time. That sprouts and takes a long time, and it's got a reasonable trunk. It could be years till there's fruit. Like, in the same way. Just be patient, play the long game, and get along with God and let him deal with it.

[Matt]

All right. A dog says, what are those? He's talking about my feet in the sandal that you decided to use as the picture for this Q A. And I don't know why you did

[Raven]

that, but I'll allow it.

[Matt]

Mama Llama says, top five books besides the Bible to understand Slash get us excited to explore the Bible.

[Raven]

That was a question I didn't see.

[Matt]

Yeah, Mama Llama with the banger.

[Raven]

I mean, we've already talked about Bunyan with Pilgrim's Progress, but I think Holy War is probably better. Journey to Hell is good. Yeah. But that's not Holy Ward from Bunyan is up there. Anything from G. Campbell Morgan is up there. I don't even know how to justify that. Alexander White, Anything from him is fire. But Bible characters is like, especially fire Bible characters.

[Matt]

What's that about the characters in the Bible?

[Raven]

Yeah. He does a deep dive on every character in the Bible. And so he just pulls out these stories that you never noticed before. Man.

[Matt]

Interesting.

[Raven]

And. And then, like, people who have, like, only one or two sentences written about them does a deep dive on what you have, what you find out from those one or two sentences about that person. Like how telling it is.

[Matt]

How about I am Legend, or maybe Whitley's Driver's Communion?

[Raven]

No, I'm not into those. I don't know. That's fine. But I mean, Oswald Chambers, at my utmost for his Highest, is a banger. Watchman Knees got bangers. Andrew Murray's got bangers. I don't know. That's hard. I. I don't. I don't really. I don't. C.S. lewis. I like. Like when I'm going to bed, I don't really read C.S. lewis, like, on a normal. I don't read study, like, with a pen and underlining stuff. But if you're gonna pen and underline stuff, I just recommend Gimmel Morgan. Yeah. Oswald Chambers, Andrew Murray, Watchman Knee, Charles Spurgeon, Alexander White. I mean, even Moody, there's. I don't. It's Ravenhill. There's just so many. Dude.

[Matt]

All right, so what was that list again? Can you run through those. Those names?

[Raven]

G. Camel Morgan is usually at the top of my list. Alexander White is usually up there, maybe even above Morgan. I love Derek Prince's stuff, but you can watch his videos, which is cool, because most of the people I read, you can't get any videos of them. They're too old. But Ravenhill and Derek Prince, you can get videos of. So. So those guys crush for that. But then, like, I don't know, there's, like, Baxter, there's. There's just. There's Spurgeon.

[Matt]

Dude.

[Raven]

I don't read a ton of Heiser.

[Matt]

I don't read a ton of Heiser either. I watch.

[Raven]

Well, yeah, that's a guy you can watch.

[Matt]

You can watch a lot of this stuff he does. He did a lot of talks that are really fantastic. Top wants me to bring this up. We already brought it up once, but I'll bring it up.

[Raven]

Watchman Knee. You should read Watchman Knee. The spirit of the word. You should. You should read that. The Spirit of the Word by Watchman Knee because it's, it's like it's not just about the letter of the words, the spirit behind it. That's a powerful book.

[Matt]

This is the.

[Raven]

I wish I would have saw that question yesterday so I could have been.

[Matt]

That's okay. Hey, don't beat yourself up about it, dude. Nephilim Death squad Bible study. Ndsbs. This is happening on Discord. If you guys are interested, reach out to. Not this, the Catholic priest article. You son of a fluffing ass. Give me a second here guys. This is not. But, but I mean yeah, reach out to Kenny the Fed and get into the Bible study on Discord. That happens. I don't know if it's happening every week week. But it is happening. It happened this week. Let me see real quick. I didn't see anything else in the production room chat. There's. I mean Top. There's nothing there. I got.

[Raven]

What's Top talking about? He's just anxiety because he's going on a vacation now.

[Matt]

Yeah, there's nothing in the production room. Maybe refresh it. Maybe that's what's going on.

[Raven]

Did you see what somebody said back to her? Tell him to grow up and stop being an.

[Matt]

Yeah, I saw. Some people were very mean. Okay, so yeah, that's not gonna work. There's an article.

[Raven]

I mean I get what you're saying but like that's not gonna work.

[Matt]

There's an article here from ABC News. It says the Catholic arch bishop of Washington D.C. removed a well known priest as an exorcist of the Archdiocese de Assistiosis

[Raven]

diocese. Where are we at?

[Matt]

I'm reading this. We'll focus. Stop looking at your phone. Look over here. The Catholic Archbishop of Washington D.C. removed a well known priest as an exorcist of the archdiocese or deases whatever the hell he said after he made public comments suggesting that UFO sightings were the work of demons. Did you hear any of that? Matt, stop scrolling through. No.

[Raven]

Well, you missed some of these comments. Man. This guy says this is rough and hits close to home. I used to be that I knew there was a God but had yet so I don't know.

[Matt]

Oh, are we supposed to read the sub comments? There's a lot of them. So yeah, there's that they removed a priest. Okay.

[Raven]

Okay. You like you're missing once you. Top was doing this last week.

[Matt]

Top told me to go to that. I don't know. He's still the boss or anyone.

[Raven]

I'm saying you jumped the top five Books besides the Bible. But somebody before that said, how did you explain salvation to your kids when they were young?

[Matt]

No, not here. That's not in the correct order. I have not. That's not how it's showing up on the laptop. Don't worry, we're gonna get there.

[Raven]

You sure?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Do it now or just. You go in order.

[Matt]

I'm gonna keep going in order.

[Raven]

Okay. All right. Sorry. Because I like that question. I didn't. I guess I didn't see any of these. I thought I saw questions yesterday, but go ahead. Sorry.

[Matt]

So the very next question after that is, how did you explain salvation to your kids?

[Raven]

You went over it?

[Matt]

No, look, I'm not gonna.

[Raven]

Can't show you, but okay. It's fine.

[Matt]

That's what order it goes.

[Raven]

I told him they gotta know God. I don't really talk in terms of, like, salvation, I guess a lot. I don't know. I talk in terms of like, you gotta know the Lord. Yeah, because I. I guess I never really thought about like that, but just. I don't like the whole. Paul says, like, we're closer to salvation now than when we first believed. And I think, like, the modern American mindset is like, salvation. Yeah. Like when you say the prayer and it's like, boom, you're good. And that's not really how the Bible explains it, man. Even John 3:16, it says, like, anyone who goes on believing. Like, if you. Like if you read it in the Greek, what's his name? David Pawson does a good deep dive on that. Hold on, I'll read. So there's. So there's context, but like, okay, here's this passage. It always gets quoted that's like, you can go through a drive through and get saved. Like, you know, you just drive through, high five, Jesus, and boom, you're nice. You got go back to your busy life, you're saved. This is what it says in John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. So people are like, yeah, man, it's a one and done. You just believe and you're good. Well, in the Greek, which I'm. No Greek grammar. Yeah, you are person. I'm just like somebody with blue letter Bible. But David Paulson does a deep dive on this. He says it reads like this in the Greek. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever goes on believing in him should not Perish, but have everlasting life. And if you study John's writings, like at the end of John's Gospel, he says, I wrote this to you so that you would go on believing. Right. He says

[Matt]

that makes a lot of sense because you could stop believing something.

[Raven]

Right. Well, you can just. Right. Which again, we go back to this word faith, which means faithful or loyalty to. Right. It doesn't mean, like, I believe in unicorns. Like, you have to know Jesus.

[Matt]

Sure, yeah.

[Raven]

And so you can walk away from that relationship. I know people get real touchy about this conversation, but, like, you can know the Lord and just, like, walk away from that conversation. Or maybe you. Maybe you didn't know him, maybe you didn't know him, to be fair. But you can, like, play the game, do the stuff, and then, like, walk away from it. And so you just end up in this weird place. I mean, we know in the book of Revelation that one of the churches Jesus reprimands because he says, you left your first love. It's, you know, people say, you lost your first love. No, you left your first love. Right. Somebody said, like, it's different if you take your dog to the park and lose your dog at the park. It's different if you take your dog to the park and leave your dog at the park. He says, you left your first love. So back to the idol thing. Like, that's a thing, man. It's like God can be in your life, he can be number one. And then all this other stuff comes up. So, yeah, so in John, in John's gospel, in that same gospel, in chapter 20, it says in many other signs, truly did Jesus, in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book, but these are written, that you might go on believing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing, going on believing, you might have life through his name. So, like, it's this thing of, like, continuing to believe. So I don't know. Anyway, I say all that along with an answer to say, like, I don't talk to my kids in the way of, like, salvation the way it's talked.

[Matt]

And instead you just talk about.

[Raven]

Know the Lord.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. Well, that. That elongated conversation about the Bible and the characters and Jesus and all this other thing is a constant watering of that.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Relationship. Yeah, right. Because it's keeping it in their life.

[Raven]

The whole reason to read a Bible is to bring you into that living relationship with God. If it' not that. Because I know people think like, oh, that's good. You know, the Bible, Matt. So you can do a good Bible study. Okay, cool. That's. That's cool. That's good. It's like, it's. It's fun to know this stuff. I got it. You know, it's good. This shapes your life. But the number one thing I'm doing reading a Bible or spending my life thinking about the Bible is getting to know God and to be close to Him. That's all. That's all I've ever told my kids, too. Guys, I don't care what college or if you go to college. I don't care what career you pick. I don't care. Like, any of the things I do care, probably second behind God, like, who you marry. That's a big thing. But like. But even that, like. Like all of the other things just comes down to, do you know the Lord? Are you in communication with him so that he's guiding your life? Because if you get that, you get everything. You get everything.

[Matt]

All right, so maybe a. A way to wrap that up is, like, it's just this idea of continuing to introduce, like, you're having conversations with your kids that are biblical in the sense that it's still. It's all still. Like, all of your conversations with your kids are through a biblical lens.

[Raven]

Yeah, because I have a biblical lens. It's. There's no shortcut. A lot of people, like, they want there to be a shortcut. It's like, all the answers to all the things. Like, a lot of times when people are like, hey, I'm struggling with something. My kids on drugs. I'm like, man, you should read the Bible more. Yeah, but ultimately, what I'm saying is, like, you should get to know God more and get in communication with him more and get him guiding your life and doing the stuff with your life, and you'll be able to talk to him about this situation. With your kid on drugs. Oh, the spouse has been really nasty me. Or cheated on me. I'm like, you should read the Bible more. Because if you read the Bible more, you'll get to know God and he'll guide your life and instruct your life. And, like, I don't know. It's like, for all the things in life, it's like, just know God. Like. Like, all the issues in life, they're not the issue. The issue is proximity to God. All the issues of life is just intimacy with God.

[Matt]

Okay?

[Raven]

It's my show. This is my show. I do whatever I want.

[Matt]

It's true. Okay. All right, next one comes from the pesky peasant, please speak to Romans 13 and other passages calling us to submit to governmental authority. I'll always submit to Christ, but I have a real problem with submitting to despicable men, systems of men and the underlying powers and principalities, puppeteering them who are responsible for spreading the debauchery and chaos in our world. That is a direct opposition to Christ. You know.

[Raven]

Okay, that's a fair statement. So let's, let's balance the word of God real quick. Let's just.

[Matt]

Okay, I want to ask a, a layer on top of this.

[Raven]

Go ahead.

[Matt]

It's like if you don't submit to those systems, despicable men, underlying powers and principalities and such, is it fair to say you're going to have, have a really hard go of it? And is that necessarily like the idea that maybe God would come and pluck you out from that hard go is

[Raven]

fighting against governments, fighting against all of it.

[Matt]

Not submitting to, you know, because I, I feel like, well, we don't submit

[Raven]

to like the mind control of government. Sure. We don't submit to like the narrative of governments. We don't submit to. When they're forcing you to get an injection. We don't submit to. They say, well, we, we're the world and we have a health organization. That's telling you to do that. No, we don't. Yeah, that has nothing to do with us. But as far as like being a law abiding citizen, we do everything we can according to Romans 13. Right. This is the one that says that like, let every soul be subject under the higher powers, for there is no power but of God. The powers that be are ordained of God. Like, God has put governments in place. I know we've broken this down in the show before under the context of like when he says for people to carry a sword.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

He said, before I told you don't carry a sword, but now I am telling you to carry a sword. We're talking about how that like, keeps order in society. Governments keep order in society. And I'm somebody that hates overreaching government and I'm somebody who thinks we're taxed way, way, way more than we should be taxed. Like, I don't think any of that's right and it's all designed to enslave us. But nevertheless, even that is better than anarchy. Like, sure, you told a story about getting beat up in the street with a bat and knocked. Like that's what you have to look forward to under anarchy. Right. Now that's one story. That happened under stuff with the government. It's a terrible. But like, in that situation in the hood, that's like a lack of government there too. Sure, there's a lack of order, right? And anytime where you have a lack of order with humans, you end up in crazy situations, man. So as bad as it is for an overreaching evil empire, like, imagine how evil the empire is to Paul's writing to the Romans about, yeah, is it Nero at that time? Like, it's somebody who hates God. Like, it's definitely not a good. It's not like this was written to like a good government and now we have bad government. Like, it's like governments are always going to be bad. Like, I, like, I just think that. But even at that, God keeps that structure in place because humans that don't have some kind of order or infrastructure just go buck wild, dude. Buck wild. Getting beaten with bats is like the craziest. But again, we balance that with Acts 5, verse 29. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, we ought to obey God rather than men. So just kind of balance it with that. You. There's always this balancing act in Scripture. You go to this extreme or this extreme.

[Matt]

It's a narrow.

[Raven]

Yeah, there's a, There's a balance, though. Man is like, yeah, we obey God rather than man. So even if they made it a law to like inject this thing in your body, we. We had to find the balance there. Okay, I want to obey government, but, like, my body belongs to God. I'm not even allowing a government to inject a thing in me. Like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna stick with God. I'm gonna obey God rather than men.

[Matt]

But what is that? What's the whole render under Caesar? What is Caesar's passage about?

[Raven]

Like, what is taxes?

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. So there's still like, it's like, yeah, you. You do got to operate within. Within the government.

[Raven]

Yeah, because you think Jesus was saying, oh, yeah, Caesar in his taxation is. Is a. Is a very. So don't pay Caesar morally good system. He's not saying that. He knows how is.

[Matt]

But he's also not telling you not to pay that.

[Raven]

Yeah, he's saying, you gotta do it, dude. There's got to be order in society or more people are gonna be hit over the head with bats.

[Matt]

I just kind of look at the same thing as, like, yeah, it's like, we submit to God, but you do have to play ball with these systems, these despicable men, these underlying powers and principalities, because if you don't figure out how to dance with them. Right. Because it is. It's. It's. You have to maintain not being in one extreme. One extreme.

[Raven]

You got to be in the world and not of the world. You got to know how to navigate within.

[Matt]

One extreme is being part of that system and being a piece of the other.

[Raven]

Yeah, we're gonna go in that system,

[Matt]

steamroll you and kill you.

[Raven]

Yeah, we're gonna go into that system and reform it, make it a Christian system. No, you're not. Yeah, you're not just. You're in the world. You're not of it. Those systems are going to be what they're going to be, and you got to navigate accordingly.

[Matt]

Okay, I hope we answered that. Pexi peasant or pesky peasant? Corey Brumley says, what spiritual condition was Solomon in when he died? What are you poking it?

[Raven]

Can't preach the gospel if you're dead. I'd argue with that. You know, many martyrs that their life, like, speaks so much.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

So, dude, touche. Yeah. People who are like, look at Stephen. Stephen gets stoned in the Book of Acts. Do you know how many people have read the story of Stephen in his death and how much that has carried on? Much more than if he would have. But I like. But I like to bring a balance to that statement, too. It's like, no, no, man. You stay true to God, and if you lose your life for it, that can preach true.

[Matt]

Yeah. Okay. What spiritual condition was Solomon in when he died? Food for thought. I mean, depending on when Ecclesiastes was written, it suggests he could have recognized his folly and repented in his later years.

[Raven]

Why did you not read the earlier question that's asked Adam and Eve, heaven or hell?

[Matt]

I didn't see. There's no earlier question yet. I'm reading them in the order. Okay, well, relax. It suggests he recognized his folly and repented in his later years. Or at minimum, recognized his folly and wrote a warning. But I don't think it ever explicitly wraps up his ending. Always wondered about this as a person who left the church and studied every belief structure I could find, desperately wanting the answers to be anything but Jesus. I can relate to the thirst for gnosis, but everything kept pointing me back to Christ. So, yeah, what spiritual condition was he in? And is there any room in interpretation for the idea that he saw the folly of his ways, wrote a warning. The book of Ecclesiastes never seems to explicitly wrap up his ending.

[Raven]

I mean, that's a great question, slash statement. I mean, it's kind of a lot. I don't know. All I know is when I didn't know that Solomon had fell off for like eight or 10 years, I read the story of Solomon, but I never kept reading and read where he fell off. I just read that he was, like, doing rad stuff, that God came to him in a dream. He asked him for wisdom, and God was like, yeah, that's awesome. I'll give you that. And I'm gonna give you all this other stuff.

[Matt]

What's that in?

[Raven]

It's probably 1 kings, like, like 3.

[Matt]

Okay. Because ecclesiastes, he's a very whiny.

[Raven]

No, he's a guy with no concept of eternity. He mentions God in it. He. He mentions God in Ecclesiastes, but he's lost of eternity. And it's all the thing. Because over and over he's saying under the sun. Under the sun? Yeah, that's a. That's a reference to the. To the natural realm.

[Matt]

A lot of what he says seems to be like, there's no point in fear. The only fear that makes any sense is fear of God. Because it's all folly. Being rich or being poor, it's all the same.

[Raven]

There's no eternity. I mean, that's. This is the mindset of a man when there's no eternity, man. And there's no connection to God.

[Matt]

Well, is that what it is? Because he's saying, like, there is wisdom in fearing God. He does say that.

[Raven]

Yeah. But I think he's applying it to. In this life. Not, not. Not in regards to eternity.

[Matt]

Yeah. Or else why would.

[Raven]

Everything in that book revolves around under the sun? Under the sun, the physical realm, the temporary realm. And so it's a guy who's just like. Yeah. Paul even says, like, if our hope of Christ is in this life only, we are all men most miserable.

[Matt]

He's like the green day of the Bible. And then he's like a very angsty, kind of nihilistic, whiny.

[Raven]

No, no, he's got a long life, dude. The Ecclesiastes is a wild book, dude, but he's got a long life, dude. He does a bunch of good. And then he's. I mean, if you study his life out, it's. He. It's not just the females and the worship and false gods. He starts off like. I remember the first time I read it, dude, he starts going back to Egypt for horses. And I remember being like, what is that? You okay?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

They weren't supposed to go back to Egypt to get horses. Like, they were very strictly commanded. Let's go ahead and read that, dude. I don't think a lot of people know about this passage, but you should know about this passage because there's a lot in it while you look for that.

[Matt]

Yesterday I was playing the Nintendo Switch with my son, and they have a. A section for Nintendo, the original Nintendo. And one of the really early games on Nintendo was Solomon's Keys. And that's really fascinating. And if you play it, it's like,

[Raven]

oh, the keys of Solomon.

[Matt]

You're like, collect video game.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You're collecting keys to go on to the next level. While you're also, like, magically manifesting platforms to step on with the wand. And you're avoiding demons while you're doing it. So pretty interesting.

[Raven]

Watch this. In Deuteronomy 17. Look how God appreciate. I love how God operates, man. When you are coming to the land which the Lord your God gives you. I'm in Deuteronomy 17:14. And shall possess it, and shall dwell therein, and shall say, I will set a king over me. Like, as all the nations that are about me. So. So they're not supposed to have a king. But God bluntly tells him, yeah, yeah. When you guys give yourself a king, which. Which you're not supposed to do, he

[Matt]

knows you're gonna do it.

[Raven]

Yeah, you shall. And he even says, why? Like, as all the nations that are about me. Which is exactly what they do.

[Matt]

Like everybody else does. Yeah.

[Raven]

They say, hey, all these other nations have a king. We want a king. But God was supposed to be their king. They reject him, they bring in another king. That's how they get Saul. He says, you shall in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose one from among thy brethren. Shall thou set king over thee. You may not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother, but he shall not multiply horses to himself. So he's not supposed to make himself rich.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

Nor cause the people to return to Egypt to the end that he should multiply horses. It specifically says this when, remember, Solomon was a king.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Specifically says, don't let the king do this.

[Matt]

It's interesting because he's being very direct about, like, this is the. The way that you would likely make yourself rich and wealthy was multiplying horses. So God's very specific about, like, don't do that.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Don't even saying, like, don't make yourself wealthy. He's like, don't do the thing with the horses.

[Raven]

It's not really? That even it's going back to Egypt too. Right?

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

It's like going back to your past life. Like, if you've been like, okay, Israel was saved out of Egypt. Now you're going back out of the world. There's all these references to Egypt being a type of the world. Like, stop. Like, Christians should not be continuing to go to the world for. For whatever it is their game, their life, their happiness, their health, like, whatever it is. Like, we have this other life. We're not supposed to be going back to the world for what we want. Right. It's the same thing. Right. And so the kings knew this. Watch how the kings know this. To the Egypt, he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to the end that he should multiply horses. For as much as the Lord has said unto you, you shall henceforth return no more.

[Matt]

So what I'm. I'm sorry, I'm just hearing it again because you're saying it's very clear. What was it basically in. In rudimentary English, don't go back to Egypt for the purpose of multiplying horses.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And he's, like, gonna do that.

[Raven]

But at the end of that, he says, you shall henceforth return no more. That way. He's saying, even in general, just don't go back to Egypt, man. You guys came out of that. Stop trying to go back to it.

[Matt]

Solomon's a.

[Raven]

No, no. Yeah, dude, He's a dip.

[Matt]

She's been a.

[Raven]

It's rough, dude.

[Matt]

He's a wise beat a about it.

[Raven]

Jesus said he was the wisest man. Jesus said there's a than Solomon here. Like, he was the only person that was wiser than Solomon was.

[Matt]

Jesus sounds like a. I mean, I

[Raven]

guess we have to say wise and finger quotes, but.

[Matt]

Right?

[Raven]

No. What do you mean? You're saying there's not stuff in your life that you go back to the world for.

[Matt]

And I'm a for it. So he's A too.

[Raven]

I like that. Well, I'm just saying that's how we have to look at these stories. Go, God, like, what's the stuff I'm still going back to the world for when I go back to the world for happiness, for enjoyment, for entertainment, like, what are these things I'm trying to go to the world for? That's what I'm saying. Like, we have a rough time when, like, church people love Taylor Swifty. It's like, why are you going to the world for? What are you getting from Taylor Swifty? Happiness, enjoyment, like, whatever you're getting. Yeah, it's just a weird shit's a banger. Not with the swifty. Not so much.

[Matt]

So that's what. I always kind of look at people whenever they go like, oh, you know, I. I love this idea of, like, the occult and like, you know, alchemy. And it's like, okay, so. So are you wiser than Solomon? Because Solomon couldn't pull it off it up everything for him, right? And you're gonna fit. You're gonna figure it out. You're a. You're a. We're not. We're not wiser than Solomon. We're not going to be able to wrangle the. The.

[Raven]

I already see Lainey doing an edit of that. You're a dip. You're a dip.

[Matt]

Now he will. Now he will.

[Raven]

No, he was gonna end it.

[Matt]

I don't think he was going to.

[Raven]

But it's gonna be my face, and then I'm gonna say something back.

[Matt]

You're a.

[Raven]

All right, let me read the rest of it.

[Matt]

Go ahead, please.

[Raven]

Neither shall he multiply wives to himself.

[Matt]

Okay. He's a.

[Raven]

That his why. It even says the why. That his heart turned not away. So, dude, you get into sexual perversion, dude, it's going to turn your heart away. Neither shall he greatly multiply to himself. Silver and gold. Money's going to turn you away from God. And it shall be when he sits upon the throne of his kingdom that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book. Read the chat of that which is before the priest, the Levites.

[Matt]

Lights.

[Raven]

No, I just know him too good.

[Matt]

Well, now. Now it's definitely now it's happening.

[Raven]

That won't be one that gets. That sees daylight, though. But it'll be funny.

[Matt]

I'll post it everywhere.

[Raven]

No, you never posted that one where you're doing, like this crazy eyes where you're like, looking at the side of your face like that. I know, but you never posted.

[Matt]

Come on, can you read this? Stop.

[Raven]

Okay, so. So watch. This is big. In verse 18, it shall be when he sits upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in out of that which is before the priest of Levi's. You guys know that if you were a king in Israel, you had to write a copy of the Bible in that day. A copy of the law copy of the first five books.

[Matt]

Okay?

[Raven]

They actually had to write that. And it shall be with him.

[Matt]

That's. That's gangster. Imagine we did that now, bro.

[Raven]

Can you imagine how good you know the scripture.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Raven]

Hebrews right to left, too. So imagine they're going like this. They're right. And right to left, they're doing the thing. I don't know, they had to dip the feather in the ink. Right to left is dumb because you

[Matt]

just drag your hand across the. The. The. The ink that you just did smears it.

[Raven]

Oh, good point, good point.

[Matt]

Left to right is.

[Raven]

And it shall be with him. And he shall read therein all the days of his life. Guys, this is like. Like we're referred to as kings and priests now. So you could say this is applicable to us, right? We should be. Maybe not write a copy. Maybe we should at some point, maybe

[Matt]

help me remember something.

[Raven]

But no matter what, we should be reading therein all the days of our life. That he. Why that he may learn to fear the Lord his God. To keep all the words of this law in these statutes, to do them, to live this. You read the Bible so that you live it so that you do it.

[Matt]

What are the first five books of Genesis? Exodus. That's all I got.

[Raven]

Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Okay, here's the other reason that you read it every day. That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren. So imagine he's a king. He starts getting this place. He's like, yeah, I'm a big shot, man. I'm the king, dude. God says, no, no, read the Scripture every day. That'll keep you humble. Which it will. It'll keep you humble if you read it every day. And that he turned. I mean, I guess there's some people that do read it every day. And don't get humbled by it though, too, I guess. I guess there's both.

[Matt]

Well, there are those people that, like, they say that the devil knows the Bible, you know what I mean?

[Raven]

Should be humbling you as you're reading it. If you're applying it right, it should be humbling.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

It should keep you from lifting yourself up above your brethren, even if you're a king. Even if you're a big shot. And that he turned not aside from the commandment to the right hand or to the left to the end, that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he and his children in the midst of Israel. So you got Solomon. He's a king. He had to have written this, okay? He. He had to have written this section. This section says, don't go back to Egypt. Don't go back to Egypt. For horses.

[Matt]

Easy to think about. Yeah.

[Raven]

Don't multiply wives to yourself.

[Matt]

So he wrote all this? He had to.

[Raven]

He had to. That's what I'm saying. I don't think most people.

[Matt]

How long did Solomon live? Live?

[Raven]

I don't know. He was king for 40 years. Right? Because wasn't it Saul 40 years, David 40 years, and Solomon 40 years, and then boom, the kingdom splits north and south.

[Matt]

And at this time, they're. They're living typically length lives. Right?

[Raven]

So what do you mean, typically? You're saying normal, like, like 78.

[Matt]

Yeah, we're way out of the realm of the 400 year old.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

So. So, yeah.

[Raven]

So long time, man.

[Matt]

I mean, still, it's. It's a long time.

[Raven]

And he makes the kingdom powerful and rad and he forgets this. Yeah, dude. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Like, oh, I'm gonna get saved and just be on track with God forever. I'm like, I don't know. Why do we have the story of Solomon? I don't know.

[Matt]

So crazy. That's so crazy. Yeah, because you're saying he would, he would have written this.

[Raven]

He had to write this stuff right here that says, don't go back to Egypt to get horses. He goes back to Egypt to get horses. He had to write this stuff.

[Matt]

It's just like so much stuff. You gotta remember, you know what I mean?

[Raven]

Don't multiply huge amounts of money to yourself. He multiplies huge amounts of money yourself.

[Matt]

Don't take multiple wives.

[Raven]

Don't have a bunch of wives.

[Matt]

Wives.

[Raven]

He gets a bunch of wives. I'm just saying, dude, it's a long game. Like, like Christian life is the long game, man.

[Matt]

And if Solomon wasn't built for. For that type of life, who was? You ain't. Okay. It has a great answer, dude. Good job. Do you think the. Do you think John the Apostle wrote the book of Revelation? I'm yet to read it. And to be honest, I'm scared to read it because I found the rest of the New Testament so fulfilling and answering questions. Number one, don't be, be, don't be scared to read it. We're told over and over again. Fear not, do not be discouraged. You know any of this. So. Yeah, don't. Don't stop picking your teeth. Don't do that. So what do you think? Do you think John the Apostle wrote the book of Revelation?

[Raven]

Yeah, it sure seems that way. I'm pretty sure the opening, like, says it like that, right? Yeah, that's my take, is that John wrote it.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

Seven churches See, if you weren't picking

[Matt]

your teeth, you'd have been a little faster.

[Raven]

Keep those things which are written. He's in priests and spirit on the Lord's day. Yeah, I mean, he's writing it all in the first person.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

And then. Yeah, don't be afraid of it. But. Right, but don't. Don't assume you're going to understand what's going on. Like, I don't understand what's going on in the Book of Revelation.

[Matt]

I'm scared to read it because I found the rest of the New Testament so fulfilling in answering questions. So it's not necessarily that he's saying that Revelation is scary because of, you know, the. The scary things that are happening on the earth at the time, but more

[Raven]

so in relation to the rest of the book.

[Matt]

I don't know. New Testament is fulfilled answering a lot of questions or all the questions for him. So would somehow the book of Revelation undo that or.

[Raven]

No, no. It all fits, dude. Especially those first couple of chapters, like 1, 2, and 3. Especially where Jesus is writing to the seven churches. It's the. It's the epistles of Jesus to the seven churches of Asia Minor is really what it is.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

And he's giving them a report card, some would say. I think Chuck Missile used to call it a report card. But he's saying, like, hey, church, in this territory, here's what you're doing good, here's what you're doing bad. This is why it's a funny discussion. You guys have some friends that say that, like, there's only one denomination you can get saved through. If you don't say through that denomination, then you can't get saved because there's only one church. Well, it's like Jesus is talking to seven different churches here.

[Matt]

And he's telling that, too.

[Raven]

Yeah, he's telling them, here's the things you're doing good, here's the things you're doing bad. Then he goes, the next church, totally different things. Here's the things you're doing good, here's the things you're doing bad. So there's clearly the church. Amen to anybody who says, there's the church, the body of Christ, but within that, there's churches, plural. Like you. You can't debate that. There's seven churches right here that he's writing to and telling them different stuff. You guys did this good and this bad. You guys did this good and this bad. You guys did this good and this bad. You guys did this good and this bad. You See what I'm saying?

[Matt]

Yeah. Two of them crush particularly hard, though, right?

[Raven]

Yeah, I think so. Philadelphia and maybe another one. But D.C. is, like, really bad.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Yeah. And some people lay that out as a timeline. Some people lay that out that, like, that's. That's the story of time.

[Matt]

Time.

[Raven]

Right, right. And now we're in, like, the Laodicean age of doing finger quotes, if you will, which I don't know, because I. Because I don't know enough about it to know what happened over the last however many years it's been since it was written. Because who knows if our timeline hasn't been corrupted? I don't know.

[Matt]

Season and all that.

[Raven]

Yeah. Who knows, dude? All right.

[Matt]

All right. The next one is Qui Gon. Qui Gon. Gin. And I shout out to Qui Gon. He says, says, what are some stories in the Bible that have shaped and strengthened your faith? Thank you, Brother Matt, with three T's.

[Raven]

Wait, what was the question?

[Matt]

Damn. What are some stories in the Bible that have shaped and strengthened your faith? I guess some of your favorite stories.

[Raven]

Oh, jeez.

[Matt]

That have really been, like, impactful in your walk.

[Raven]

Oh, man, I. I don't know.

[Matt]

You want to think about it for a second? Maybe you can take down a note or two and we come back to it. It.

[Raven]

I wish I would have read these yesterday. Well, you know, dang it.

[Matt]

You didn't want to prepare, and I told you you should.

[Raven]

No, no, no. I should think of some. I don't know. I love the parables, man. I feel like I've learned so much from the parables.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

I love Paul when he's on the ship and it's in the angel. He sees the angel at night and he says. The angel says, have no fear, because. Because they're in a storm, and it says, they threw everything out.

[Matt]

Is that where he's going? To the island?

[Raven]

He gets. Ends up getting shipwrecked on the island. But they're trying to get to Rome. The thrust of his life is to get to Rome, okay? To get the gospel to.

[Matt]

That's where, like, the whole snake happens.

[Raven]

He's trying to get the message to planet Earth because that's the epicenter Rome at that time. Okay? So his goal of his life, if you follow Paul's life, he's trying to get to Rome, and he's got to get the message out there. Not. Not to take over the Roman government, not to take over the American government, nothing like that. But to get to the epicenter to where the message can be Spread. But anyway, he's in the boat and it says that like all hope of survival was lost.

[Matt]

Lost.

[Raven]

And then an angel approaches him at night and says, have no fear. You're nobody on the ship's gonna die, man. Sick because you're on the ship. So I like that and I like to try to take that into account for my life. I think that became a big thing to me is like say I am a loser and an idiot.

[Matt]

Amen.

[Raven]

And just destroy my life. That's one thing. But if I screw this up for other people, man, I don't like that. I just don't like the idea of that. And you could do the opposite. You could get to where like, like you handle your business in such a way that you can help all the others that are on your ship. And that story like hits me hard every time I read it, man. But I also love Joseph. We're not going to rush through this.

[Matt]

No, no. Panda Fly said listening to Matt go through the book of Daniel was life changing for me. That, that was a big one for me as well.

[Raven]

And it's great. And she said something earlier that I was going to say, but I knew you were going to go off the rails. Oh, she said, so Jesus wasn't Jewish. That's what she said earlier. And I think Sparrow knows Bear chimed into and said that's a great point. And those are two of my like good buddies in the chat. I know you Pharaoh hates Jews. Yeah. No she doesn't.

[Matt]

Oh, okay.

[Raven]

But they're just making the point that like his he's the blood of God. So in that sense he's not Jewish. But. But the culture he lived under that culture. He lived under the law like he lived under that culture. And I know this gets super offensive. So I'm just going to say go

[Matt]

ahead, rip the band aid off.

[Raven]

Like when the people came back to the land in 1948, they weren't making gondulas in the fungal though. Like, like they didn't come back with Puerto Rican.

[Matt]

Once again, not Puerto Rico. They very specifically something is really important.

[Raven]

They very specifically came back celebrating those same feasts that they were taught in the Bible.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

To celebrate now they added some in Top will say that there's. You want to believe that the rough

[Matt]

child created state of Israel is. Is the real Israel, then that's on you man. That's fine.

[Raven]

Well God does stuff through like other evil kings all through the Bible where they go back and build the second temple that's not under some good king that's some bad king. Like. Like has them do it. Anyway, all I'm saying is that, like, that culture. They came back with that culture. That's intriguing. That's what I'm saying. And that same culture, as we see in the scripture, I. I don't know. I don't live in Israel. So if they're celebrating some feast where they dress up like demons, I don't know. Clearly that's not given us in scripture. But Jesus lived under the culture of the Hebrews. He lived under the culture of Israel. I'll leave that alone. So other stories that I love, we're just moving on quick. Other stories that I love is when Joseph reveals himself to his brother's man. That, like, that just goes hard for me, man. That just goes hard. And then when he finally says, he goes. He goes, I am Joseph. And, like, the brothers are in shock. And the way he sets them up at the table, he sets them all up to have the meal with them, all by their age, in order. And so the brother's like, what the. How does he.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

How did he know to set this up in this order? He knows them all. He's speaking through an interpreter, even though he understands what they're saying. Like, this whole thing is so rad, dude. He does the whole thing to drag him through it. He sees Judah say, nah, man, take me instead. Judas sacrifices himself. Like, this whole thing is so rad. And then he ultimately says, I'm Joseph. And there. And it says it like, they're in shock. And they're like. Like, they don't know what to do. They don't understand what's happening. He. And then he has to say, I'm Joseph, your brother. Like. Like, they still don't get. He says, I'm Joseph. They still don't get it. He has to say, I'm Joseph, your brother. Like that. I don't know. That goes hard. When Moses dies, that goes hard for me too, man, because God says, okay, walk up the mountain and die. And I always think, like, what if he told me walk up the mountain to death? Like, what if I knew I had, like, whatever 20 minutes or whatever it takes to get up the mountain? And I had to reflect on my life. I think about that, like, somewhat regularly of, like, what do I want? Like, if I had to walk up the mountain and die, like, what do I want to think about for that 20 minutes, man? Like, what would I be able to look back on with my wife, my kids, my family? Like, like, whatever. My little sphere, the Little chunk of the planet that I was allowed to live on. Like, the chunk of the planet that I came from. Like, what impact did I have? And like, am I doing any things today that I'm gonna give a about when that 20 minutes happens? Or am I just like, trying to get the 401k and the money and the things and the stuff, or am I hopefully, like, speaking into somebody's life and living in front of somebody a certain way that's gonna matter in eternity. Then I'm like, on the 20 minute walk. I just don't want to be on the 20 minute walk and be like, oh, man, I could have did this. I should have did that. I should have did this. I should have did that. I wasted my time. I was lazy. I knew there was things I could have did, but I didn't do it. I made other things. Priorities that shouldn't have been priorities. Really. It was totally a priority to spend more time with my kids and talk with them. But I always took it for granted that they were going to be there to talk to them. So I was busy with other stuff and acted like they bothered me. I want to make sure I'm never doing things like that. I want to make sure on that 20 minute walk and then especially if I'm like, on my deathbed, then I'm like, no, I'm good, man. I'm good. Like, everything's good.

[Matt]

God, would you rather have that ability to have a 20 minute? Would you rather or would you rather it just, like, happen, you know?

[Raven]

Like, no, I don't know. I think it'd be rad to have 20 minutes to reflect on life.

[Matt]

I think so.

[Raven]

But I want to live with that reality that. That there's gonna be some moment to reflect on life, man. I don't want to live like, oh, I just live in this moment. What's the thing I want to do right this second? I don't want to live like that. Yeah. I don't want to live like, I'm like, what's the bigger. Like, I grow a farm because. Not. Because, like, that's the funnest thing to do this week. Like, I'm gonna grind on the farm all day tomorrow because we got a little cooler weather too. I would probably, you know, if we're being honest with more fun thing would be boogie boarding at the beach and like, chilling at the beach, right? But I'm like, like try to have a more eternal mindset. Like, going to the beach is good too. I need to do that. Maybe I'LL go Sunday. But, like, tomorrow I want to do a thing that's going to matter in 10 years, dude. I'm going to plant trees tomorrow that are going to be there in 10 years, that maybe my kids or grandkids or some loved one is going to grab a piece of fruit and eat it and be like, how gangster is that? Yeah, they're gonna be like, freaking Matt. It's all right. You know what I'm saying? They're like, dude, this guy was all right, man. Maybe 20 years, 30 years from now, maybe I have a great grandkid. Could pull a fig off of tree I plant tomorrow and be like, what was his. What was his name again?

[Matt]

You're playing a fig tree tomorrow?

[Raven]

Yeah, I got multiple fig trees going in the ground and bananas and some passion fruit. I got. I got quite a bit of stuff.

[Matt]

Simulaca is right. This guy does love fruit. He loves fruit. Why no veggies?

[Raven]

I will at some point. I just.

[Matt]

Is the ground good for potatoes out here?

[Raven]

Yeah, like, every ground is good.

[Matt]

Yeah. Potatoes are super resilient.

[Raven]

Easy here, too. But just like. Here's the thing.

[Matt]

Sweet potatoes.

[Raven]

I've been grinding on this farm for six years. I can walk out there and go, oh, cool, man. I have a food forest. If I was doing vegetables, it's 90 days. You get your food, poof, it's gone. Oh, imagine if I walked out there and I didn't have anything to show for grinding the last six years.

[Matt]

So that's the other than I had

[Raven]

some nice vegetables to eat. No, I want to. Now I'm planting the stuff that's going to be in the ground and growing. Like, I just step away from it and it's doing the work.

[Matt]

Did you know that they think the Amazon forest is a food forest? Is this actually it.

[Raven]

It looks like. It looks like exactly how we do them.

[Matt]

Diversity and.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

This would never just be here like this.

[Raven]

This was, you know, even the structure with the upper canopy, the lower canopy, smaller trees, down to bushes, down to, like, root crops, down to vines. All the stuff, like, growing together, support species growing that as it dies, it falls to the ground. And, like, they got giant Brazil nuts. You know, they're the giant trees, like the upper tree.

[Matt]

Fruit, huh?

[Raven]

Yeah. Just love the idea of, like, you put something in the earth and then the earth just brings forth that. You don't think that's a random.

[Matt]

No, it's dope. It's dope.

[Raven]

Yeah. Because people are like, food is chick fil a. I'm like, no, no, no. Food is. You put it in the earth. Like, we live on a planet. Yeah, I guess. I don't. You know, maybe we argue whether it's flat or not, but we live on a planet either way.

[Matt]

That's definitely not something.

[Raven]

It's not the way to open it.

[Matt]

You.

[Raven]

Yeah, it's a sliding door, by the way.

[Matt]

Did you. Did you know I used to work on a farm?

[Raven]

No. What's happening?

[Matt]

They're gonna break the door off.

[Raven]

What are they doing?

[Matt]

I have no idea. Did you know that I used to work on a farm?

[Raven]

I don't believe it.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, I used to work on

[Raven]

a farm, but you put a thing in the earth, and then the earth just takes it from there.

[Matt]

That was crazy. It really messed you up, huh?

[Raven]

I just don't understand what they're doing

[Matt]

for the audience who's just listening.

[Raven]

He's trying to break in here, pushing the door. Who's not understanding. It's a sliding door.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah. You can't tell it's a sliding.

[Raven]

Put it. Put the camera on you so I can fix it.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah. That's very fun. I like that. Every once in a while. That's the. The perks of having a public. I mean, I think it's actually the fantastic. A fantastic aspect of what we do here. But any. At any moment, they can just start ripping the doors open. And they do that. They do that. And these are the doors. You grab like this, and you pull them apart like that, which is very

[Raven]

clearly those kind of doors.

[Matt]

And it's swinging, and it's coming off the hinges.

[Raven]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who grows figs in avocado?

[Matt]

Your mama?

[Raven]

I don't know who spells avocado like that, but I know what you're saying.

[Matt]

Avascato.

[Raven]

Oh, that means business. 420. He's in, like, Louisiana, that is.

[Matt]

Come on. Quit playing games, man. All right, let's move on to these guys. We have a lot more questions. Dude. My wife has no Christian friends. Oh, this is a bummer. Yeah, this is a bummer. My wife is in the same boat. I can think of. I can think of any way for her to. Oh, I can't. I can't. I can't think of any way for her to meet some besides going to church, which we have always avoided. I was raised Assemblies of God. If you had to pick a best denomination based solely on theology, gun to head, what is it? Before you answer, I just want to say I've gone to church with my wife in hopes to finding and developing some sort of community. And we found and met no one. So that isn't always going to be my experience.

[Raven]

I'm gonna say something incredibly offensive right now.

[Matt]

Go ahead.

[Raven]

The whole friends thing is totally overrated. I think so.

[Matt]

I think it is, dude. I think it is.

[Raven]

I know people get touchy about that. Like, oh, fellowship. Like, yeah, I. Okay.

[Matt]

No, I'm the same way.

[Raven]

I mean, it's a lot. Dude, if you have friends, then they're like, you have obligations. Like, I. I kind of have my hands full with a wife and two kids. That's why you get a job and a farm. I went to go and I have people I love. Don't get me wrong. I have people I love. Love.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Like, as soon as you get into where now I'm expected to hang out. I'm just. I'm not. I spend a lot of time with. God, I don't have a lot of time to, like, hang out.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I spend a lot of time with my family just vibing friends.

[Raven]

I don't even. You know, like, we want. Guys want to watch the ball game. Not to say I wouldn't like to watch World cup with some people. I actually like, always.

[Matt]

Are you gonna watch the UFC fight on the White House?

[Raven]

No.

[Matt]

Come on, that's funny. What kind of idiocracy dystopian is that? You're gonna miss it.

[Raven]

It. Yeah, it's gonna be at 10 o' clock at night. Starting, it's probably gonna finish. Like, dude, I can't do it, bro. But World Cup, I love dude. And I like English Premier League. Anyway. Brown people. I always think, like, I'd like to get together, especially with some European people that. That like soccer and get a couple pints. I'm like, yeah, you really like soccer like that? I love soccer, dude. And they have a couple drinks and watch soccer and like, kind of cheat. Like, I think that's so exciting. But it never happens. I can never really like.

[Matt]

Lainey says I'm friends with two brownoids and a female cryptid who hates poor people. That's about it. That's literally me, Lainey, Top and Nancy are all in a production chat and we just say some that make each other laugh occasionally. And that's who he's talking.

[Raven]

Wait, I'm not even in the friend group for Lane. I love Lane.

[Matt]

You're not in. You're not on X.

[Raven]

No, but I feel like me and Lainey are tight. Like, we have a strong connection.

[Matt]

Tighter. If you were on X, actually chopping it up with us, but you can't be bothered. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, that's right.

[Raven]

No, I'm just a. No, not like that. Just like to watch. Everybody's, like, hating each other and yelling mean stuff. Like, I just. I can't do it.

[Matt]

What? We don't. Oh. Oh. That's not what happens in that. We make fun of those people in the chat. It's great.

[Raven]

No, thank you, Idaho Hermit.

[Matt]

I don't know. Somebody asked if we're gonna do enough to America.

[Raven]

He knows. He knows, man. I mean, it's cool. Like, dude, I have people I know and love. Dude, I have people that are my boys. But this. But as far as, like, hanging out friends is what I'm talking about.

[Matt]

I've literally never talked to Matt. I don't care.

[Raven]

We still have a strong bond. I have a strong ballad. No matter what. Like, the way he pulls stuff out of story. Like, dude, I sit. Somehow I'm on, like, some. Some TV show where you, like, get on a microphone.

[Matt]

You gotta see how many people will do it.

[Raven]

Like, pulls pieces out of it and it's art. Well, like that he likes. Or some. Somehow he decides this is the thing I'm gonna pull out of it and does edit it yet. Dude, I have a strong bond with this.

[Matt]

We. So there's so many times we do, like, a show.

[Raven]

You could call me anytime, bro. You want to talk on the phone sometime, I'd love that.

[Matt]

We do shows with all kinds of people. Doesn't mean to how big or small they are. In their podcasting thing, when it's all done and the clips are being made, they're like, yo, you guys make amazing clips. I'm like, that' we have a schizophrenic.

[Raven]

I hear it all the time, dude.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Albarino complimented the editing. Dude, yeah, dude, this. Whoever does your stuff is good. I'm like, dude, I love his stuff, man. You're. Everybody here is gonna die. That one was like a banger. You saw that one and it's like a war scene.

[Matt]

I don't remember that one. All right, all right. So.

[Raven]

All right, let me know when Lainey says he wants to catch up.

[Matt]

Friends are. Are trash. Got it. No, no, no.

[Raven]

It's good to have people you know and love in your life, but the concept of, like, hanging out with friends.

[Matt]

Okay, but he also said, what's the best denomination gun to out hang head? You have to pick one. Don't say some wishy washy.

[Raven]

I don't know if you can pick A denomination. You could pick the best local church in your area. And the best local church in your area might be Baptist or it might be, I like Assemblies of God.

[Matt]

You know, there was a time in the 90s when the church of Satan was really trying to make an effort to specifically infiltrate Baptist churches.

[Raven]

I mean, it's all of them.

[Matt]

No, but they had an agenda that was dedicated specifically.

[Raven]

Yeah, because that's the one that probably had the most pull and the most like time or whatever, like had the most effect on, on society. Yeah, I could see that.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

But I like, I don't like going to. I don't like to. There's like this weird thing in the modern 501C3 system. Some of the people believe in the supernatural and like the gifts and stuff.

[Matt]

I like those, those are fun.

[Raven]

And then some of them don't. I like the ones that do believe in like the so called, like the fivefold ministry. Apostles, prophets, pastors and teachers. They say, yeah, that's still for today. Like, I'm like, well, yeah, of course that's for today. So I don't like the ones who say that's not for today. But then the ones that say that is for today and the spiritual gifts are for today. Then you see a lot of the, you see a lot of silliness in those denominations, if we're being honest. You see a lot of foolishness and the, you know, the, with the weird stuff with the laying hands and the falling down or running around the church. Even though my doctrine more lines up with them that acting it out. I just, I, I don't, I don't know why everybody came to the conclusion that like you gotta put on a show on Sunday. I just don't know where that came from. And then they're like, like this denomination does a show like this. This denomination is a show like that. Like, I don't care. Like, what does your life look like? Yeah, that's all I care about. So if I had to pick one, I don't know, Assembly's a God is cool man. Or like Pentecostal.

[Matt]

I like Orthodox because they're racist.

[Raven]

But I don't know that I would want to. I don't know, I don't really care. Like, even if I had a gun to the head, I, I would just, I guess I would just pick one. But they're all whatever. I've been to cool Baptist churches. I've been to cool Presbyterian services. Some of them are a little boring.

[Matt]

Oh, those are the ones that like

[Raven]

fish and Eggs, maybe, but I just don't like boring stuff, man.

[Matt]

All right, good answer.

[Raven]

Who, Who's. Hold on. Can you go back just one more? Somebody asked about the Mexico game, because that is.

[Matt]

Nobody asked about the Mexico game.

[Raven]

Yeah, they did.

[Matt]

Go up.

[Raven]

I'm going up.

[Matt]

But I'm going up on mine. Nobody's saying anything. I don't know about chats before.

[Raven]

We need an interpreter. It's really right before that. Let's just start our own.

[Matt]

Christian, a lot seizures go up. Matt, you're talking. You're taking Mexico opening game.

[Raven]

Who are they playing? I want to watch that game though, because I got a dear friend of mine. Now that's Mexican dude, that I know, he wants to watch that and I'd like to have them over and have some couple of pints.

[Matt]

You just said no friends. You got a Mexican.

[Raven]

I know, but I'm. Yeah, well, it's Bella's. It's my son in law's. My son in law's brother in law, but he's my guy, dude.

[Matt]

Okay, so Nick says, did David finally switch to sandals? I do like to wear sandals, but I like the ones that have sports mode where they, they don't fall off. Those are great. I don't like the ones that wedge in the toes. Flip flops that wedge in the toes because they hurt eventually. Matt up showing off your. Your new dunks. Are those dunks or those Jordans?

[Raven]

I'm not going to be able to get this angled in, dude.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's very skinny legs, huh? By the way, I got to take my son to the gym for the first time.

[Raven]

Like as Jess got me those as

[Matt]

an 11 year old and that was really cool. I had him on the leg press.

[Raven]

Nice.

[Matt]

You know how much he was leg pressing?

[Raven]

40.

[Matt]

£120.

[Raven]

No kidding.

[Matt]

£120.

[Raven]

The purple one or the yellow one?

[Matt]

The one where you're sitting down, not laying on your back.

[Raven]

Oh, with weights. With actual. You're putting them. No, no, no.

[Matt]

That's the one where you're laying the cable one. He's doing the cable.

[Raven]

Purple or yellow? Yellow. Yellow's in the yellow room. Okay. The purple.

[Matt]

The purple one.

[Raven]

Yeah. That's a good one.

[Matt]

Yeah, he's doing for. For a set of 10. So he's. He was doing four. Four sets for 10 reps. He did 60. Then we bumped it up to 80 pounds and we bumped it up to 100 pounds. And then for the last set of 10 reps, he did 120.

[Raven]

Laney's kind of orthodoxy that's why his artwork on a lot of his stuff is like that.

[Matt]

Yo, Lainey knows his.

[Raven]

I had no clue, man. But.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, if you talk to him.

[Raven]

He never wants to talk to me, man.

[Matt]

I don't blame him. Let's see. Blappity, blap, blap says. Matt, what are your thoughts on Ezekiel 23? I read it recently and it was super graphic. I was shocked. Ezekiel 23. Where are you going?

[Raven]

You're gonna pull it up on Blue Letter Bible?

[Matt]

I could do that. That's fine. Oh, you knocked off your thing there.

[Raven]

Oh, you did? Okay, I'll fix it.

[Matt]

Ezekiel. How do you spell his Ezekiel?

[Raven]

Easy. E, K, I, E, L. Right after Jeremiah. What?

[Matt]

Chapter 23.

[Raven]

I should have looked at this last night.

[Matt]

Sin and its consequences.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah. They committed whoredoms against God, man.

[Matt]

Okay, I'll bring it up on the screen. Do you want to read it? Do you have it or should I read it?

[Raven]

I don't think I'm gonna have some big thing to say about this. I don't think we're gonna be okay.

[Matt]

Well, the word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, son of man.

[Raven]

Which, if I know right, this is going to be saying that it's. Yeah. Jerusalem and Samaria. Which one of them got dealt with first? The other one didn't learn from the first one. Because. Because. Remember when the kingdom split, like after Solomon? The kingdom splits?

[Matt]

Well, I guess. I think he's talking about the graphic nature of it. Son of man. There were two women, the daughters of one mother. They committed whoredom in Egypt. They committed whoredoms in their youth. There were their breast pressed. Damn. And there they bruised the teats of their virginity. Good golly. And the names of them were Ahola the elder and Aholiba her sister. And they were mine. And they bear sons and daughters. Thus were their names. Samaria is Ohola and Jerusalem is Aholiba. And Ahola played the harlot when she was mine. And she dotted or doted, rather.

[Raven]

We're not going to read this whole thing.

[Matt]

Yeah, this is.

[Raven]

But there's. But they're. They've gone a whoring on God. It's a story to Israel that they've gone a whoring on God. They want other things other than God. They want stuff.

[Matt]

We were.

[Raven]

It's funny because we're already talking about this. Like, be careful of desiring the stuff of the world instead of stuff that you can get from God. God. So they go a whoring on him. There's like in verse 18, it says, so she discovered her whoredoms and discovered her nakedness. Then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. So I forget if it's.

[Matt]

That's rough, man.

[Raven]

I forget if it's Judah or the rest of Israel that goes astray. First, I think, I can't remember does a. Sir, does Israel get taken away by Assyria? Judah gets taken away from Babylon by Babylon, and that's why Jude is second. So like Judah, like watching. Watched Israel, Israel proper, like the northern 10 tribes, okay, get taken away and didn't learn their lesson. So that's the context of this. But one of the things like, yeah, then my mind was alienated from her God saying this about them, like, that's what happened. You become alienated from God. As you desire those things that are not from God, you become alienated.

[Matt]

So is blabbity blap, blap, talking about the graphic way that the, the using like chicks being hosed as an analogy here?

[Raven]

No, I think it gets a little more hardcore. Like in verse 22, he says, Behold, I'll raise up thy lovers against the. From whom thy mind is alienated. So it's like you want, you want those things you, you want those things that don't come from God. He says, you got it. I'll. I'll give you that. And then all of a sudden, the things of the world are really going to come for you. Okay, so, yeah, no problem. I'll set my jealousy. Yeah, like, if you get into, like, they shall judge thee according to their judgments. Verse 25. I'll set my jealousy against thee. I. I don't see why this wouldn't apply to the church today. The same way if the covenant people is applied to them in that day, and they shall deal furiously with you. They shall take away your nose and your ears and thy remnant shall fall by the sword. Yeah, this is where it gets ugly.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

They shall take your sons and your daughters and your residue shall be devoured by the fire. They shall also stir thee out of thy clothes and take away your fair jewels. Thus will I make thy lewdness deceased from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt, so that you shall not lift up your eyes unto them nor remember Egypt anymore. They've gone a whoring on God for the things of Egypt. And yeah, dude, this is. This gets ugly, man.

[Matt]

Gone aing. It's like going fishing, but different.

[Raven]

It's. All these applications are always in regards to a husband and wife relationship. Our relationship with God is that intimate. It's that intimate. And so, like, when you go away from God to love the world, to love Satan in his realm, it's. It's like he's calling it no different than having an affair. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And he talks raw. He doesn't sugarcoat. He says, yeah, man, they're going to be killed by the sword. They're going to be killed with fire. God bless you.

[Matt]

Thank you. You. Thank you. Okay, all right. Very cool.

[Raven]

I will. I will do these things unto you. Because you have gone a whoring after the heathen and because you are polluted with their idols. You walk in the way of your sister. Therefore will I give her cup under your hand. Like, you just. He's keep saying you didn't learn from this example. So imagine like that to the church now. Like, we've been given the whole story of Israel as examples. If we don't learn today.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Raven]

And we still go a whoring on God as the church today. It's like, what harsh judgment store for you?

[Matt]

Yeah, Pandafly. Pandafly says, would you be able to get Sean from Kingdom in context on as a guest? I'd love for him to chat with you about his, quote, uncommon Knowledge series where he breaks down the structure of our world and the different layers of heaven and God's creation.

[Raven]

That would be cool.

[Matt]

Through scripture. Thanks for everything you do. Yeah, we could set that up.

[Raven]

That would be cool.

[Matt]

That'd be dope.

[Raven]

Yeah. I don't know anything about that series, but I know that's like a good dude. Like, I don't.

[Matt]

Yeah, Sean is awesome.

[Raven]

I talked to him. We were on the show for, I don't know, it was an hour and a half or something, but the entire time I was like, this is a good hearted man.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Like, this is a good man. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know everything that he teaches or everything that he does. I'm like, this is a good dude.

[Matt]

Yeah, He. His ability to. Despite his. His product is very, like, cleaned and buttoned up and for all intents and purposes, ours should sort of clash. But it never.

[Raven]

Because he's a good man, it just

[Matt]

never seems to slow him down. It never acts as a stumbling block for him. He's just like, yeah, these guys, that's

[Raven]

like, if you feel like, hey, I'm just dealing in truth, I'm dealing with reality. There's nobody that I would not deal with.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so, yeah, we'll look into that Panda. I'm pretty sure we can make that happen. Tom. Just Tom. T O M. Tom says, if you have trouble grasping or you question certain concepts or beliefs that are like the Trinity, will you receive salvation? Thoughts on this? I left verses below. 1 Samuel 16, 7.

[Raven]

You pull them up.

[Matt]

Well, he actually has it here. It says, for the Lord does not see as man sees. For man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.

[Raven]

In the heart.

[Matt]

And he goes on to say, Tom says, God doesn't judge what people say or how they appear. He judges the secrets of men, the counsels of the heart.

[Raven]

Heart.

[Matt]

And the motives behind their actions. Romans 2:16, First Corinthians 4, 5. So I guess it's particularly about the Trinity and it's bearing on your salvation.

[Raven]

It's just saying, do you have to believe in the Trinity to be saved?

[Matt]

If you have trouble grasping or you question.

[Raven]

No, no, there's no, there's no thing. Like, if you have trouble understanding a

[Matt]

thing, God's like, you dog.

[Raven]

Yeah. There's no intelligence test to get into heaven. It's not like, hey, man, if you have a lower. Which that doesn't even mean you could be at the highest intelligence and not be able to articulate the Godhead. Sure, it's not called the Trinity in the Bible, it's called the Godhead. But, like, yeah, I. I just think what, what the Bible does say about the Godhead is that it's one being that's made of three persons. That's what it says that. That's how the Bible explains the Godhead. People try different ways to explain that or whatever, but plainly what it says is that the Godhead is one being. The God being that's made of three persons. We. No wonder we struggle with that.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

All we know is a human being is one person.

[Matt]

Right?

[Raven]

You're a human being. You're one person. I'm a human being. I'm one person. If there was an angel in the room, that's an angelic being, it's one person. Right. Somehow the God Being is three persons. So, like, I'm not ragging anybody who can't, like, come to terms with that or doesn't like that or whatever. But there's an interesting thing there. There is an interesting tying into salvation. It's interesting as in Romans 10, 9, it says, we'll start in verse 8, it says, but what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in your mouth and in your heart. That is the word of faith which we Preach that if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. So there is this weird connection between understanding the Godhead being more than one person and salvation. I'll read it again. Shall believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. So you must. You must confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and shall believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. So you have to believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. So in that sense, there is a really interesting connection between understanding that there's more than one. It's one and it's more than one. So we struggle with anything like that. If something's one and more than one, which is interesting about the word Elohim because, like, L is a singular for God, and then the I am on the end of Elohim is plural. So it's singular and plural Elohim. And when referring to God, well, it's

[Matt]

interesting because even a human being is. You know, we're.

[Raven]

We're made up of spirit, soul, and body. Right, right. That's.

[Matt]

There's. There's a trinity aspect there. There are three elements that go into

[Raven]

making a human being, but it's still one human being.

[Matt]

Right, right, right, right.

[Raven]

Made up of three, whatever you want to call that. So I. So I don't know, man. I think if you're just saying I can't grasp the reality of the Godhead, like, I'd say, okay, I got it. But it's interesting that that passage says, you must believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

As. As if Jesus didn't raise himself.

[Matt]

Right, right.

[Raven]

So I don't know. It's something to chew on. All right.

[Matt]

Thank you, Tom. Not to scale says. Any thoughts on excommunication? Matthew 18:17.

[Raven]

Just like when Top is on excommunicating and yelling at people and saying the meanest stuff. I don't like it, dude. Excommunication is like a dumpster fire, bro. It's like, to even. To go on there. I just see a little bit of comments on YouTube and I'm like, oh, who wants to do that, dude? And X is like, that times a million.

[Matt]

Well, what about Matthew 18:15 talks about X excommunication back then, apparently. You know, bro, let's find out. You know, here, I'll see if I can pull it up. I mean, I don't know if it

[Raven]

Matters here, but, you know, what's the excommunication passage? I'll pull one up in a minute.

[Matt]

What's that? Matthew? What did I say?

[Raven]

18. What?

[Matt]

1815 through 1719.

[Raven]

Moreover, if your brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou hast. I already know where this is going. This is an excommunication. All right. I don't even know what the word excommunication means, other than you're kicked out of the church.

[Matt]

That's what I thought.

[Raven]

If the. But if the church is God's body, it's not really our call, Right?

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

I mean, there is an intriguing passage where Jesus tells the apostles that, like, what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. What you loose on earth will be loose in heaven. So there's an interesting. There's some. I don't know. But if he will not hear thee, then take with you one or two more. That in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church. But if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto you as a heathen man and a publican. Yeah. Like, if you're trying to communicate to a guy is wrong and he won't hear it, they say, okay, get him out. But this is no different than when Paul says, like. Like, get the guy. Get the guy who's boning his dad's wife. Get him out of the Corinthian church. I think it's 1 Corinthians 5. So we. So there has precedence for saying, don't let somebody be in your midst. And I. And I think the context is it's a contagion. It's contagious, man. Like, sin is contagious. And so if you. If you allow it in the church, which we don't. We have no grid for this concept today. Because in the 501C3, everybody is a potential donor. So everybody's comes in. Doesn't matter how they're living. Keep them there. Keep them paying. But in the true church is probably why they kept it small.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Was to make sure it was a pure church, make sure it was a good church, make sure it was a real church. Not to say there wasn't a place for outreach and for being outside of that pure inner circle that was a true holy church. Right. Not to say there's not a precedence to reach those people who are still living in sin, but to say don't let that sin become normalized and spread within, because it will spread, right? It'll spread. If you bring somebody in here with the flu, you don't say, oh, yeah, let them just mix in with the flu. You say, oh, no, we love this person. But don't just mix in here if you got the flu.

[Matt]

There's actually some study that show, like, you know, in the case of problem students, if you take one from, like, let's say, a lower education class and you put them into a. An excelling group, that you would think that group would help that individual, you know, come up. And in fact, it's always the opposite. That one individual will. Will bring down the joe.

[Raven]

I see that in the coffee shop. Dude, you get one sloppy person, everybody will be sloppy. It's the most. You get one lazy person who likes to stand around, play on their phone. Everybody will stand around, play on their phone. You get one person that doesn't close, right?

[Matt]

One. Nobody spoils the whole bunch.

[Raven]

Yeah, you got to keep it. You got to keep an eye on things, man. All right. Verily I say unto you, whatsoever you should. Yeah, this is the passage where it does say that whatsoever I barely I send you, whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loose in heaven. Again, I say unto you that if two or two, two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my father, which is in heaven. Because where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst. That's why there's a big movement today to be like, oh, where two or three are gathered in the midst. That's only in regards to church discipline. Because that's the context of this passage, is church discipline. Okay, But I'm like, yeah, that's the context of the passage. But nevertheless, that statement stands, right? Like, that statement stands, stands. It'd be the equivalent of me saying, like, those are really nice shoes. And like, I saw you in here and I say, oh, man, those are really nice shoes. But then I'm like, I just saw the raven at the grocery store. He had really nice shoes. Like, no, no, no, that wasn't the context. The context was in the studio. It was good shoes. Like, okay, but the statement still stands. Those are really cool shoes. You see what I'm saying? Like, this statement still stands where two or three are gathered. I'm in the midst of them.

[Matt]

Them.

[Raven]

The context is church discipline. And yeah, like I said, There's a parallel passage in 1 Corinthians 5 where he says, the guy that's boning his dad's wife, he cannot be in the church. Like, you have to get that out. But as far as, like, excommunicated in the sense of, like, losing salvation, it's not. That's. We don't have any say in that.

[Matt]

Yeah, so is that the same thing? It's like, you know, if you're kicked out of the church because you're doing all this terrifying. And, like, you do, you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth, but then you're thrown out of the church because you're not living a life that's reflective of those beliefs.

[Raven]

There's no human that has. That makes that call.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

Thank God. Thank God. Because one of the other questions that you wouldn't read was Adam and Eve, heaven or hell?

[Matt]

That's actually the last question.

[Raven]

You stand back and. Son of a gun, we're not.

[Matt]

We're not there yet. Okay, so is that me vibrating like that? Hold up.

[Raven]

Well, anyway, there's a. There's a passage. Where is it? Man, it's Moses. I wonder if it's like. Like Exodus 32. It's somewhere in there where Moses excommunicates the church. Dude. Like, there's, like. If you hear these stories about an individual being excommunicated from the church, like, Moses excommunicates the whole system and goes out and lives outside the camp.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

Which I think is intriguing.

[Matt]

All right, so wait, are you gonna. You're looking at.

[Raven]

Go ahead.

[Matt]

So Owl, Lauren has a question here.

[Raven]

Is that a boy or a girl?

[Matt]

Owl is a girl who raises beagles.

[Raven]

Hold on, hold on. Let me see. Let me see her ear.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

When the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned. This is. This is Exodus 33. For the Lord had said unto Moses, stay. Say unto the children of Israel, you are a stiff neck, people. I will come into the midst of you in a moment and consume you. Therefore, now put off your ornaments from you that I may know what to do unto you.

[Matt]

That sounds crazy. Hold on. Because that sounds like yo, y' all are a bunch of retards. And I will run up in there and smack and smack the out of you. Like, that's what that sounds like. See, that's crazy. Because people go on the whole, like, oh, is it? Is it? Oh, you're a Christian and you talk this way. Moses just said, like, yo, you backwards retarded. I will run up in there and slap the out of you. Is that not what he said?

[Raven]

No, the Lord said it.

[Matt]

Oh, the Lord said, not even just Moses, so. So God himself is saying, yo, you

[Raven]

backwards, telling Moses, go tell them I said this.

[Matt]

I'll run up in there and slap the out of you.

[Raven]

God's wrong, Raw. God speaks very plain, man. Like, I think that was the question earlier about Ezekiel 23 or whatever passage. It was like, oh, hey, this is raw. Yeah, that's how God talks.

[Matt]

I like that because it's like, it feels like God's got around the bush.

[Raven]

But that's why it's wild that the modern system has been like, oh, just

[Matt]

say sweet things in somebody's face.

[Raven]

I don't know where you guys from?

[Matt]

What are you gonna do? What?

[Raven]

I don't know where you guys got that from. That's not how God talks.

[Matt]

That's crazy.

[Raven]

Oh, everybody just say sweet things.

[Matt]

Things. Oh, rock your right now.

[Raven]

I'll come in the midst of you in a moment and consume you.

[Matt]

I'm about to tell somebody that, bro. I'll come in the midst of you in a moment and consume you.

[Raven]

And the children of Israel stripped themselves of their ornaments by Mount Horeb.

[Matt]

I will rock your.

[Raven]

And Moses took the tabernacle and pitched it without the camp, a far off from the camp and called it the tabernacle of the congregation. And it came to pass that everyone which sought the Lord went out into the tabernacle of the congregation, which was without the camp. Camp. Moses excommunicates the church. Okay, like, like it's one thing for the church to excommunicate Moses. Moses says, dude, I'm taking the tabernacle, I'm going outside the camp, taking my bowl, and going home. Enough of this stuff inside your guy's system. I'm out here with God. You want to come meet with God, you can come out of that system and see him. That's an intriguing thing that goes down. Exodus 30:3.

[Matt]

I will be among thee and I will slap.

[Raven]

45 minutes.

[Matt]

We got more to go through, bro. Stop. Come on, Al. Lauren says, do you think it's possible the saints quote, saints just chose to continue paying attention to us on earth after their meat suit died? Could they actually be praying in agreement with us, like backing up our prayer, two or more gathered, etc, but just for the stuff that they're interested in on earth? I have a good believer buddy whose family has always called on prayers of certain saints. Saints for specific things. Miraculous help often arrived. And after picking her brain can't find any way their prayers backfired. Okay, that's an interesting question. So I guess we're. We're steel manning the saints.

[Raven]

Well, right away, you think of this passage in Hebrews 12, wherefore, seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight in the sim which does so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before for us. So when he says, wherefore at the beginning of 12, Hebrews 12, starting in verse one, he's talking about everything that came before that, which is Hebrews chapter 11, which is referred to as, like, the hall of faith. It's referred to, okay, People. It tells all these stories of people who lived and died in faith. And then it says, wherefore, seeing we're compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, so. So there's context for, like, those who have come before us. It's a cloud of witnesses, man, that's watching that in no way, shape, or form says, now start communicating with them. It doesn't say that.

[Matt]

But if you're jerking off, they see you potentially, and they will be amongst you in a moment and consume you.

[Raven]

Now, I don't know anywhere. They'll rock where the Bible's telling you, start communicating with them who have come before us.

[Matt]

Okay?

[Raven]

And why would we. When we go straight to God, Right? But if the. But if the. If the statement is that, like, they're watching and they're potentially praying for us, man, Maybe. I don't know. I. I don't know. Like, angels are doing stuff too. But that doesn't mean we talk to angels and tell angels, like, pray to angels, right? They're doing. We know.

[Matt]

That's not to say, like, we know

[Raven]

the angels are active. What. What are these guys from Hebrews 11 who are still alive? They've died on the earth, but they're alive in. In another realm. I don't know what they're doing, but I'm not told anywhere to be communicating with them.

[Matt]

But they could hypothetically be independently pulling for you because was, you know,

[Raven]

angel showed up to Daniel and said, oh, man, greatly beloved. That's what the angel says to Daniel. Like, bro, we've been watching from the unseen realm. We like you, bro. Okay, sure. So of course they could be doing that. But don't conflate that with communicating with them now. All right? Which doesn't mean that there's not some form of. I'm doing finger quotes now. Communication. When you're reading the writings of, obviously, the Bible because the author is the holy spirit. But even stuff that's outside the Bible where there's just G. Campbell Morgan wrote a thing a hundred ago, and somehow you are having this fellowship with someone because they've. Because they've put their life on paper. And so in a certain way, you can't fellowship with their heart and their spirit and kind of know them in that sense. Okay, but I'm not. But I'm never praying to G. Campbell Morgan because of that. Like, it's not. I'm not communicating with G. Campbell Morgan in that sense.

[Matt]

All right, well, you don't have to have an attitude about it. Joe Brown says, what's your take on Schofield? I got granddaddy's Bible that daddy ran in their burning house and saved along with all his. His sermons.

[Raven]

That's a great story, dude. Cho Brown's grandpa's house was on fire. He ran back in and saved all the stuff.

[Matt]

Shout out to Cho Brown. Shout out to all the Browns.

[Raven]

Yeah, like, he had a. Like he had all his stuff in a chest or a dresser drawer or whatever.

[Matt]

Choice for short for.

[Raven]

It's Chobadiah. No, it's Chris. And then maybe the middle name starts with an H. I like Chobadiah. Chobadiah Brown told me what it was. I forget, man.

[Matt]

Never read any of the. Of this. Of Schofield's take. So. So what is your take on Schofield?

[Raven]

I don't. I've never read a Scofield Bible. I don't know. I know there's, like, beef over it today. It's just an. And I'm sure that there's people who have never read the Scofield Bible that can argue till they die if that it's evil or that it's good because that's popular today to. To, like, hate the Schofield Bible. I forget what the context is, but I'm like, guys, guys, it's a commentary. It's some dude writing a commentary on the Bible.

[Matt]

It is definitely like, people.

[Raven]

I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff in there I agree with. I'm sure there's a bun stuff in there I don't agree with. Like, there's no way. If you wrote a commentary on the whole Bible, I'd read it and go, yeah, man. I'm. Raven nailed it on everything. I see everything the same way Raven sees it, right? No way.

[Matt]

Yeah, he. I don't know what takes on Israel and things like that, but ultimately we did an episode on it. I don't remember any of it, but Ed Mabry was like, he kind of made it seem like, yeah, it's like a nothing burger. Like, you don't have to look at

[Raven]

this thing and think, I don't know, dude. But that's. That's what I'm saying, dude. Anybody who starts getting in these arguments, they're being used, man. Like, if you're somebody who hasn't read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you're arguing over the Scofield Bible, you lose. Period. Period. I don't care which side you're on, you already lose.

[Matt]

Hot take.

[Raven]

No, it's just people don't read from Genesis to Revelation. They want to, like, shortcuts. They want. And they heard somebody cool on the Internet saying, the Schofield Bible's bad. So now the Scoville Bible's bad, which. I don't know. Maybe it's bad. I have no clue. I just kind of don't care because I'm not a big. Not a. I'm not a big Schofield guy. I'm not a big. I mean, I guess I'm a commentary guy, but there's a lot of commentaries I'll read. For the first couple minutes, I'm like, okay, this is a waste of the time. It's got. Somebody's got to hit hard for commentary. But is that what they hate it for? Because it says Israel is good?

[Matt]

I'm not sure what it says about. We did a whole episode on it and I. I kind of like, understood for about a half a day, and then I forgot it all was kind of like, it just.

[Raven]

Yeah, I didn't know. Didn't stick to plan.

[Matt]

Well, but I guess there must have

[Raven]

been a time period where people just read commentary by. Like, I would recommend getting a Bible with no commentary. Commentary. That. That's my recommendation. Don't get a Bible with notes in it.

[Matt]

Right?

[Raven]

Just get a Bible or don't read the notes.

[Matt]

Okay. Shout out to Chobadiah for that one. Sparrow, we have. We have four more after this. So it's. It's. We're about to hit the two hour mark. We have four more questions. Sparrow says, see, hold on, hold on.

[Raven]

I think Schofield changed the popular understanding and meaning of a lot of things. Like, I don't even know what that means. Like, that's why you have to read a Bible when you decide the understanding and meaning of. Of things.

[Matt]

It's dispensational rapture.

[Raven]

There's a Lot of good people that are pre trip rapture. I'm not any of the stuff. I just want to be ready at all times.

[Matt]

Yeah. So.

[Raven]

But there's a ton of good people that are pre trip rapture, man.

[Matt]

For me, it seems like the problem with pre trip.

[Raven]

Okay.

[Matt]

Rapture.

[Raven]

Well, there's the problem. Thus creating soft Christians. Maybe. But then we're assuming motive.

[Matt]

But that's the individuals.

[Raven]

But I've seen great men of God go scripture by scripture to prove pre trib rapture.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

I've seen plenty of other guys prove

[Matt]

Avery's laid out rapture. Yeah. He's laid out the argument for pre trib. And the. I guess the problem really comes in when you're banking on pre trib because you don't want to suffer.

[Raven]

I. I don't know. But then. But then you're assuming motive.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

If a guy's going scripture by scripture, then you can't assume his motive is that he just wants to get out of here before the. Before the tribulation. I don't want to get out of here before the tribulation. But there could be a pre trib rapture. I don't know.

[Matt]

Why are you mad about it?

[Raven]

Well, it's just a wild thing the way people get into this thing and they're like, yeah, Schofield, pre trib. It's like, I don't know, I just feel like people have been. I don't want to say brainwashed, but they've been like, I don't even know what the word is. Maybe brainwash is the closest word I can think of to just like, think a certain way. It's like, yo, you just go read the Bible. If you're. And if you're wise enough to read through the Bible and put together enough passages to prove that a preacher rapture isn't real, then God bless you, bro. But that's a lot of time, dude. You would have to put a ton of time into that to be able to do that. And just know that, like, great men of God have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt. Scripture by scripture, a pre trib rapture and other great men of God have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt. A post trip.

[Matt]

Right, right, right.

[Raven]

Prove that first guy totally wrong. Then a third guy has totally come along and proved it's neither a pre trib or a post trip. And those two are both idiots. Yeah. So, like, you can make it say whatever you want.

[Matt]

That's what I'm on.

[Raven]

I don't like to assume motive that if somebody you know is preacher rapture, it's because they're soft Christians. I don't want to assume that.

[Matt]

Ed came on the show pretty early and he steel manned all three and he's like, look, if you, if you read it the right way, you will find compelling arguments for pre, mid and post tribulation raptures.

[Raven]

Sure.

[Matt]

So, you know, and well, some people

[Raven]

think Israel is raptured mid trip God bless him. Or I mean, or, or hold on. I think some people think there's a pre trib rapture of the church, then there's a mid trib rapture of people who didn't go the first time, but figured it out somewhere in the middle of it.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

And then maybe Israel is raptured at the. I don't know. I don't know. That's how much I don't really, I

[Matt]

don't want to say.

[Raven]

I don't care. But like the main context for me is like, be ready at all times, be ready. Because if I got raptured right now, now, and I knew there was people on planet earth that I hadn't like spoken to and I should have spoken to, that would be a terrible thing.

[Matt]

We actually.

[Raven]

So I, so that's what I'm saying. People like assume motive. They say, oh, pre trip rapture makes you a soft Christian. I don't know. I could see where pre trip rapture makes you a more serious Christian because you're saying, dude, if I could get taken at any time, I'd better be preaching the gospel every minute, dude, because I'm gonna be gone. I'm not gonna be able to say things to my loved ones if I'm gone.

[Matt]

Simulacra says you guys should dive into Schofield. It's very relevant. We, like I said, we've done an episode or two on, on it. I have no interest revisiting it. Yeah, yeah. It just wasn't really that interesting to me.

[Raven]

My opinion is probably, it's not that good of a commentary. I, I don't know, but I feel like G. Kimmel Morgan would write a way.

[Matt]

Well, maybe you should do it. It would be interesting to see your opinion on it. And we also came to the conclusion that there is a pre trip rapture that was, you know what our research,

[Raven]

you can absolutely get that.

[Matt]

But it's for down syndrome people, okay? Because God has to remove that them so that they don't suffer the tribulation.

[Raven]

So wait, so Laney is like hardcore Bible reader and like septuagint bro Laney knows his.

[Matt]

And. And. But he doesn't like to do, like, you know, he doesn't want to do anything, like, public or whatever. I'm like, dude, Laney would crush.

[Raven]

Yeah. I just think, people, the main thing, if you say the word Schofield, I'm just saying read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. As soon as you're done with that, read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation again. And as soon as you're done with that, read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation again. Again. I just don't think you're gonna care that Schofield said this or that among

[Matt]

you in an instant. And what the was it? And I will smite thee. I forgot how it goes. Okay, so here, let's go on. Sparrow says, Hebrews 8:13, please.

[Raven]

Hebrews 8:13. Where? We're in 11, so that's good. We're close.

[Matt]

Hebrews 8:13, please.

[Raven]

And that he saith, the new covenant he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and wax old is ready to vanish away way. I don't.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Raven]

I know that a little bit of

[Matt]

the conversation that was happening on the NDEs Bible study on Discord was this idea of, like, the old covenant and the old. I guess the old promises were fulfilled, and then now that that's done, these. This people group has been used to get to this point, and now this new covenant comes forth through Christ. And I guess I don't know if this is a. If this is an extension of. Of what Sparrow's asking about, but there was a discussion in that. In that Bible study about, like, there are those who say, and this wasn't people in the Bible study, but they were talking about how there are those who say that God didn't fulfill his promises and that he just scrapped it and went new covenant. But it's like, no, it looks like all the promises were kept and that chapter was closed. And now from it springs forth the New Testament and. And the. The Gospel of Christ. And so. So I guess maybe that's the context in which he's asking, can you pull

[Raven]

up blue letter Bible? Maybe we'll just. We'll just read it in the NLT to make it.

[Matt]

Because what is it?

[Raven]

Because go to Hebrews 8 and then we'll read it. Not just verse 13, but maybe a little bit before that.

[Matt]

Okay, we'll call it verse 10.

[Raven]

I mean, I guess we can start in one.

[Matt]

Boom.

[Raven]

Because sometimes in the NLT, it just makes, like, super easy to understand.

[Matt]

In the nlt I don't know what it's in right now. It's in the KGV NLT. Okie dokie. Hebrews 1:8:1. Right there. You want that big screen here. And

[Raven]

now of the. Oh, you got NLT yet. Now of the things which we have spoken, this is the sum. We have such a high priest who is set on the right hand of the throne, of the majesty in the heavens, a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched and not man. So he's kind of already making reference to, like. Did you click in llt? Did you hit the arrow right next to it? I'm sorry, right next to the nlt? Yeah, that didn't feel like nlt.

[Matt]

Okay, hold on.

[Raven]

We're back to Juan. He's saying, like, look, this always here. Here's the main point to the tabernacle. There, there. He ministers in the heavenly tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands. So all that stuff. In Israel, they were told they were commanded to build this tabernacle, but it was always a type of the tabernacle in heaven. I mean, God even says, maybe it's even in this passage where he says, build this according to what I showed

[Matt]

you in the Mount we talked about in an episode that it was like it was a replica of the firmament and where God sits above the firmament and. And it is his heaven. Yeah, yeah.

[Raven]

I mean, it calls it heaven, but

[Matt]

the firmament is his, like his foot stol or something like that. Yeah, yeah. And so the tabernacle was like a replica of it.

[Raven]

Since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our high priest must make an offering too. If he were here on Earth, he would not even be a priest. Since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law. Law. They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the tabernacle, God gave him this warning. Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I've shown you here on the mountain. Okay, so Moses goes in the mountain for 40 days. I. I've said it before. I don't think that God, like, rolled out schematics in a plan and said, all right, here's the blueprints. I think he took them into heaven and showed him the tabernacle in heaven. And then he says. He comes back and says, okay, build it according to what I showed you in the mountain mount. Because Moses has gone 40 days.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Doesn't eat or drink. He just vanishes in the cloud. But now Jesus, our high priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood. For he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God based on better promises. If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it. That's. So what do you do with that statement? If the first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second?

[Matt]

So is the idea here that it was. Was faultless on purpose? I mean, it was. It had fault on purpose.

[Raven]

Well, and in the Roman letter, it says that the fault was us. It was that we couldn't. Like the. It said that the law was good, but default was with us.

[Matt]

Okay?

[Raven]

Like, that we couldn't fulfill it.

[Matt]

We could never adhere to which.

[Raven]

Which really, ultimately you could say is the point of the law, is to show you that you can't do this.

[Matt]

Yeah, you can't.

[Raven]

That's the whole point.

[Matt]

You ain't built like that.

[Raven]

It's a teacher, it's a school master to bring you to Christ. And why? Because it shows you you can't live like this. Yeah, you can't live like this. Like, here's all the rules, you know, Plot. You could never actually do it.

[Matt]

You could never say, we didn't need Christ, right?

[Raven]

You could never say, yeah, you'd always be able to look at the law and go, dude, I never was able to live like that.

[Matt]

Okay?

[Raven]

But when God found fault with the people. Yeah, I think it's saying it here, too, with the people, not the law. He said, the day is coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and led them out of the land of Egypt. They did not remain faithful to my covenant covenant, so I turned my back on them, says the Lord. But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day, says the Lord. I'll put my laws in their minds and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God and they will be my people. I think that's the Holy Spirit is what he's saying, right? He's saying, like, there's coming a day where the law will be over the old covenant. The old law will be over, but the new law will be God inside you, giving you the ability to obey him.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

As opposed to obeying him in your flesh.

[Matt]

Flesh. That's interesting. So do you think for, just for a moment, like this idea of, like, people attributing it to your conscious, there's this voice inside you that tells you when you're doing something that's definitively wrong.

[Raven]

Conscience is had by non Christians too, though.

[Matt]

Okay, okay, good point.

[Raven]

That's a while. Because that's a wild topic. And people get touchy about that topic too. You'd be surprised in church circles. But, like, man has a conscience.

[Matt]

I wonder if.

[Raven]

Well, John 1:9 says, Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world. I could see where what that's saying is coming. Conscience, like. Like Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes in the world. Not just. So is there a hypothetical born again people? Every man that comes into the world.

[Matt]

So there was hypothetically a time where people didn't have that. No, no.

[Raven]

I think every man has always had a conscience.

[Matt]

Okay, okay.

[Raven]

He's the light that lights every man that comes into the world. No, he's always existed. Not. That's not just saying for the last 2000 years.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

Jesus has always existed.

[Matt]

Right. Because he was the Word. And. Okay, so here, let's go here.

[Raven]

And they will not. Oh, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, you should know the Lord, for everyone from the least to the greatest will know me already, and I will forgive their wickedness and I will never again remember their sins. Here's. Here's what she's getting at. When God speaks of a new covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear Here.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

I think it's just cut and dry just saying that, like. Yeah, that. Like, we did a whole study on that. We did like three weeks on it, unfortunately. But it's just a chapter five in Sermon on the Mount. How's that? Why is it super zoomed in? I don't think anybody likes that.

[Matt]

Nobody else can see that but you.

[Raven]

Okay, I'm gonna keep it that way.

[Matt]

It's really distracting for you.

[Raven]

Well, it's a little much.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

But I got a little sidetracked by

[Matt]

your gigantic head on the screen.

[Raven]

Yeah, I just think it's. It's just saying that that old covenant came to an end. Thank God. Yeah, thank God, man, that now we're under this new covenant. That's. That's God in us.

[Matt]

It's like God being like, here's the standard. Here's what you have to do. And then us struggling to do it for thousands of years.

[Raven]

Plot twist. Can't do it.

[Matt]

Can't do it, dummy.

[Raven]

But it was all nobody. Nobody was ever saved by obedience to the law. They're saved by grace, through faith.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

Looking forward to the Messiah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

All right.

[Matt]

You're not gonna be rude about it. Okay.

[Raven]

So, no, I don't think the church replaced the Jews. I can see. I can see what you're saying by reading that passage. I think that Israel is still a very specific nation on planet Earth, just like Mexico is a very specific nation on planet.

[Matt]

But that has nothing to do with salvation.

[Raven]

Right, right. But we just lose track of, like, what this story is. Israel is the story of a nation. So think of Mexico, think of Canada. Think of Uruguay. Think of, you know, you know, France. Like, there's a nation. It's a very specific nation from Abraham. God specifically pulled some dude, Abraham, out of Ur of the Chaldees, right? Macedonia, not Macedonia, what was the ancient Mesopotamia, Right. Pulls him from there. Ur of the Chaldees specifically takes him, makes promises to him, makes a very specific lineage through him. Not just from Abraham, because from Abraham comes Ishmael, comes Esau. They end up joining together as well. Well, but God ends up referring to himself as the God of Israel. Isaac and Jacob. He has a very specific territory that he takes them into, and he gives them the title deed to that land. He gives that nation the title deed to that land. They go whoring on them, right. As time goes on, and he has Assyria comes in and takes out Israel, I think. And then Babylon comes in and takes out Judah.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

And then we have all these stories of them, them making their way back to the land under bad people. Like, there's bad people. That God still gives them the authority to send Israel back to the land to rebuild the temple. What's referred to as the Second Temple. You know, like, Michael Heiser talks about, like, Second Temple literature or whatever. There's, you know, the Second Temple is when they went back and built the temple, but an evil king of another nation had them do that. So in that day, you could have went on Twitter and said, what? That's an evil king that sent Israel back there to rebuild the temple. People, this is a. No, look what they're doing. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, behind that was God. Behind that was God. I got. You know, I got it. It was an evil guy. Who brought Israel back to the land. But behind that was God. He said he was going to do it. Then this, this wild thing is he starts a nation and says instead of there being lowercase g gods over this nation, like there is over all the other nations, I'm going to be the God over this nation. That's a wild ass thing, right? That's a wild ass thing. Now, I guess the debate today say is that that nation is no longer relevant or that nation is no longer.

[Matt]

I guess the relevant would be to what right? Relevant to what right?

[Raven]

And it's. It's just that they're a nation. It's just that he has a specific destiny for that nation.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

As you study out the scripture and

[Matt]

it's that everybody's going to turn on them.

[Raven]

Ultimately that's going to happen. Yeah, that's part of it. There's a. I mean, there's a lot to it. But I don't want to get into that because it sends people off the rails. It's another one because. Because there's a lot of people who are like specialists on is that haven't read Genesis to Revelation, man. There's like, same thing. There's specialists on Schofield, but they haven't read Genesis to Revelation.

[Matt]

I just want you to know that

[Raven]

I think if you're in these echo chambers today, it's dangerous if you haven't read from Genesis to Revelation. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that anybody else is wrong if they have a different take or have a whatever.

[Matt]

All right.

[Raven]

You know what I mean? It's okay. I'm just saying be careful diving head first into these conversations without having a good understanding of what the Bible is saying.

[Matt]

All right. Well, I just want you to know that I do see the checks that come from Mossad in the mail. And they show up often. I don't want to say bi weekly, but they do show up every two weeks. And I guess that might be the word for that. And I've seen the amounts stop a lot.

[Raven]

Stop it. There's an interesting passage that says that like blindness in Israel has happened in part heart for a season until the fullness of the Gentiles. So that's what I'm saying is like, there still is something to happen with Israel. Exactly what that is. And if that means they're good. Nobody's saying that. Nobody's saying that. We're just saying like there is this specific destiny and they play a specific role.

[Matt]

Well, I was talking about this in the Bible study that it's an interesting idea that you have. You know, all these people will come from Abraham's line. Like he's going to have so many descendants and there's going to be so many nations that spring forth from his line and the world's going to be blessed to it. And it's like you have a people then that are aware of that prophecy and are like plagued by special boy syndrome. And even after.

[Raven]

Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's the story of Israel is they. They took it like, oh, we're the covenant people, we're better than you.

[Matt]

And they probably.

[Raven]

And the whole story of the Old Testament is that they were wrong for that.

[Matt]

Right. And they, they definitely didn't know that it would be one dude. Like one dude Jesus Christ was gonna be that it's all gonna funnel down

[Raven]

to the Galatian letter said says it's seed singular, not seeds plural. Right. Speaking of Christ.

[Matt]

Even after Christ comes, of course, built within them genetically, probably almost like picked for that. Like Abraham was picked because he was a real ass dude. So they have like this tenacity built into them and they have this tribal, you know, aspect built into them. There's all this generational trauma that's built into them. So like, yeah, the, the special boy generational trauma syndrome wasn't going to stop after Christ came. They were going to keep doing that. There was no way. You're. You're not to going.

[Raven]

Going to.

[Matt]

You've selectively.

[Raven]

But that was. Yeah, it was bred into them by the law. Like the purpose of the law was to make them separate the same way the church is separate today. There was, it was built into the law to make them separate so that

[Matt]

the way they are served a function, but it doesn't go away after the function's been fulfilled.

[Raven]

Yeah, I don't know. It's. It's same thing like trying to explain the Godhead, trying to explain salvation. I never, I never thought the Israel thing was super confusing until I got in the podcast world when I got here. Confusing because it's like, it's like this crazy thing, but it's like, I don't know. To assume whether they're good or bad is like not the right way to approach it.

[Matt]

They're just messing, right?

[Raven]

They have a unique role. They have a different role than.

[Matt]

It's a land, it's a people, it's a belief system never inherited yet.

[Raven]

Like the land that was given to them, they still have never inherited. So who knows if they go for all of the land that they were given. And then that just infuriates people. But again, I'm just saying, like, I don't know, I think it's a good idea before people go head diving, just head first into this thing in the shallow end of the pool. Just hold on and read the whole Bible. And I'm not even saying, like, all the stuff Top says to me. Like, whenever me and Top talk through it, I'm like, top, I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but it's like the second that word comes up, it really triggers, pharaoh hates the Jews. She does. No, she does.

[Matt]

I get it, dude. Well, no, it's. It is. I understand. It's confusing, you know, nature, because if you're like, well, who are the Mexicans? You know, okay, well, I mean, you pretty much trace a genetic line back to the early tribes of Mexico and be with the Maya, whatever. But as soon as you ask that question about the Jews, it's like, well, you had to think about displaced people. You have to think about a genetic lineage. You have to think about a religious decision.

[Raven]

Okay, if they were kicked out of the land for 1900 years, how did. How does anybody still have the identity of Jewish. Yeah, before, like. Like, you know how Trump says, we're going to take over Canada, they're going to be the 51st state. And it's like, yeah, there's not gonna be any Canadians. Then you have two views of thought on that. Now they're like, yeah, exactly. That proves the Rothschilds just paid people to come back and act like the Jews.

[Matt]

Yeah, but the Canadians weren't the selected people of God.

[Raven]

But they had culture. They had. They had the Jewish culture. Culture. Yeah, the. The Rothschild set that up. Yeah. Okay. God has used, like, evil people to fulfill his will in the earth before. And so another interesting thing about that is, like, that it's prophesied ahead of time. There's these prophecies that I'll bring you back to the land.

[Matt]

There's no prophecies about Mexico from the

[Raven]

four corners of the earth. Not. Not just from Babylon, not just from Assyria, but specifically from the four corners of the. The earth. So all I'm saying is it's intriguing, dude. It's an intriguing conversation. What is there mean stuff in the chat?

[Matt]

No, no, we. We have two more questions, so we're three.

[Raven]

You got it. Whatever you want.

[Matt]

2.5 more questions. M. Says, interested in Matt's thoughts on childbirth, Eve's curse after the fall, possible translations of Genesis 3. 16. I've always thought it didn't make sense for children to be gifts from God. God, but have to enter the world through pain, through a painful experience for the mother. P. S. I'm eight months pregnant for the first time, and I was just

[Raven]

gonna ask if this chick's had babies because, yeah, Jessica explained this to me. She's like, it's the craziest thing. And you would never. You could never experience the feeling of joy when they put the baby in your hands unless you just went through what you went through, the pain and suffering you just went through, and the birth gangs, like, all. All of that. That makes it so special. So, I mean, like, that's just the fallen realm, dude. I guess if Adam and Eve never sinned and, like, we don't, nothing has to be hard. Everything can just be living perfect. But in the fallen realm, dude, some of the rough, hard things that we go through ends up being the most beautiful and wonderful things, man. When you get to the other side and, like, that baby is so much more special because of what you just

[Matt]

went through coming out your vagina. It was all small before. Now you got a big old vagina.

[Raven]

That's a. That's crazy, bro. That whole process is crazy, crazy. What's 3:16 though?

[Matt]

Vagina?

[Raven]

Under the woman, he said, I'll multiply thy sorrow and thy conception and sorrow. You shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you. Yeah, this is just what happened in the fallen realm, man.

[Matt]

Amen. Gotta rule over these women and their vaginas.

[Raven]

Stop it, man.

[Matt]

All right, next question. Guambat, be black and says, what's the star rating system?

[Raven]

I have no clue what. You know, what is that referencing? What's the star rating system?

[Matt]

It's a star rating system. You know, like, it's like a four star system.

[Raven]

I feel like you're playing a joke on me right now. I don't know what this is.

[Matt]

So, like, you ever, like, this is

[Raven]

gonna be a racist joke. I already know it.

[Matt]

Watch, like, I don't like. You ever watch, like, black people fight?

[Raven]

No.

[Matt]

Well, usually when they do, there's some patterns that emerge.

[Raven]

Like, they say five stars.

[Matt]

No, no, no. It's a four star. It's been a while since I judged one of these fights, but there is a star system, and if you get all four elements to appear in a fight, then it is a four star.

[Raven]

Oh, I don't like it.

[Matt]

Fight.

[Raven]

Shout out. Plut. Just had my fifth and it sucks, but it's not bad. Even when it's bad, it's not horrible.

[Matt]

There you go.

[Raven]

Five kids.

[Matt]

I'm listening to this with my grandma, Raven. God damn. Yeah. You know what? I think we probably save this for another time. So the last. The last question, it comes from Christina last week. She didn't get to ask it. So this is one that was missed.

[Raven]

There's no way I have time to unpack this to its fullest. But it's Adam and Eve. If they're in heaven or hell, I hope they're in heaven. I think they're in heaven. Heaven. We don't know. Like, it's just like Solomon, Adam and Eve. Like, we just. We don't know. Like, that's up to God. We don't know.

[Matt]

How come nobody prays to Adam and Eve? That's interesting, right? Because you're still, like, people are adamant and praying to saints and church fathers and all this other. Like, how come you don't see these people, like, praying to Adam and Eve?

[Raven]

I don't know, dude. Maybe they think that they're bad. Well, I mean, they made a mistake. They live. They lived in perfection, right?

[Matt]

Sure.

[Raven]

So even in perfection, man. Man is still capable of sin, and man is still, like, moving towards sin. But they repented. Like. Like, when I read that story, I'm like, God says, hey, man, where are you? And he doesn't say, hey, F you, God, because I'm with Satan now.

[Matt]

Well, he says, the woman you gave me was all messed up.

[Raven]

Yeah, I don't know. I know we like to be like, oh, he's blame shifted. I think he was like, God, you. You of all people know how much I love, loved her. And I've even heard it taught that, like, he's a type of Christ. He knew. God told him, if you eat from that tree, you die. He watched his wife eat from it, knew she was gonna die, and said the only way to save her is for me to do this. Now that he's a type of Christ, that Christ had to come down and die for us. We already have that in him being the. The church being the bride of Christ.

[Matt]

Laney says it's believed that they were pulled out with Jesus in the harrowing of hate Hades.

[Raven]

Lanny's going heavy, man. I don't know. Laney says, cool, but I'm just saying that some people. Some people look at Adam like a type of Christ. Like, he knew. I've heard that he knew what he was doing and did it anyway to save his bride. And. And therefore Was a type of Christ, some people say, like, he just loved her so much that he was like, wherever she's going, I'm going with her, man.

[Matt]

Like, what about the idea that he saw that she didn't die? Die?

[Raven]

I don't think he thought that. I think he knew something.

[Matt]

He's like, it's gonna happen.

[Raven]

Yeah. I think he knew God close enough. He's like, dude, this is going bad. And I don't know how quick there that. That spiritual separation happened. You know what I mean?

[Matt]

Which one? What do you mean? From. From God?

[Raven]

From God. I mean, they could still talk to him, but clearly they were separated if they thought, we got to go hide from them. I mean, that's death, dude. Like, that separation from God is really death, right? Like, when you're separated from God like that. That really is a. That really is. There's nothing. There's no greater death. They have this thing with him, and then they're like, we better hide from them. But thank God, like, okay, he hides, and then God reaches out to him and he communicates with God and, you know, takes a licking and keeps on ticking. You know what I'm saying? Like, that story could have been very different. That could have been the story of Adam saying, you know what? F you, God, That. That. That shining one. He was right.

[Matt]

Well, we talked about this with Ed, and. And he takes a bit of a different stance in the idea of, like, our God is consistently one of forgiveness. And it doesn't seem anywhere in scripture that. That Adam or Eve took any sort of ownership and. And. And, you know, like, repentance for what they.

[Raven]

They did. Really?

[Matt]

Yeah. Because first Adam goes the woman, and then the woman goes. Or Eve goes the serpent. Instead of taking ownership and repenting and saying, I'm sorry, you know, forgive me. And this idea that maybe God would have forgiven him, maybe the iniquity that was found in them could have been rectified right there.

[Raven]

That is how I look at it. And when the woman saw it, died of making one wine, the food throws, she didn't gave it. Also her husband, he did eat. And the eyes of them both were open.

[Matt]

And they knew.

[Raven]

Knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons. And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. And the Lord God called into Adam and said, where are you? Adam could have not responded right there

[Matt]

Well, I mean, sure, he could have not responded, but he doesn't exactly take ownership either. When does he respond?

[Raven]

Well, I mean, again, this is one of those stories that who knows how much longer it unfolds too. Like, does every time God corrects you, you immediately say, hey, my bad. I screwed that up. Just sometimes it takes a while until you're like, okay, yeah.

[Matt]

Well, it does seem that we, we're choosing to read into it. It's just, what direction do you choose?

[Raven]

Sure, sure. And I think somebody said, I forget what the word was, but it meant that, like, both truths can't be true at the same time. Like, one person says, I think Adam and Eve are clearly in hell. Another one says, I think they're not. They can't both be. Right. I'm just saying. I know Top hates this. You have to leave room for this phrase if you're going to study the Bible.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Raven]

Ready for this phrase. I don't know.

[Matt]

Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, whatever we've been given.

[Raven]

But I, But I read it and say, yeah, I think that this is a story of, you know, look, he said, Lord God called him to Adam and said, him, where are you? He said, I heard your voice in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself. He's got an open line of communication with God still. Right, right. Like. Like, to me, it looks like he very much could have said, you know, what? F you, God. And he.

[Matt]

He doesn't. What I'll say is, it seems to me that it would be important if Adam did repent. And given the direction of everything afterwards, it seems more likely that his absence of repentance, meaning the contextual absence of it, it's not there. And the direction things went, suggests that there was no repentance.

[Raven]

I don't know. I don't, I don't. I don't look at it. I don't read it that way. I look at it like this is still a conversation between a father and a child. Child. And he's saying. Because look what he says. I was afraid because I was naked.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

So God knew. Adam didn't like this feeling. Like, he knows. Like, hey, bro, you, oh, afraid of being naked? Well, have you ever felt that feeling before? Let's get to the bottom of it. Like, I don't. I read this different, I guess. Man is. I'm like, anytime you see God, ask having. No, he's definitely talking back and forth with you. He's saying, oh, you don't like that feeling. Afraid.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

How did you get here, Adam?

[Matt]

Well, that's what. What Mabry also points out that I think is really great is the way he talks to Adam and Eve versus the way that he talks to the serpent. So with Adam, he's. It's. He's like. He's like a father, right? He's like, where are you? Of course he knows where he is.

[Raven]

Yeah, well, another big thing, he curses the ground for Adam, but he curses the Shining One directly.

[Matt]

Yeah, like, it's not like Shining One. What were you thinking? Who told you to do that?

[Raven]

Adam isn't cursed. That's another reason. And I would say I don't think he's.

[Matt]

Well, it's like, I. I don't know that Adam was. And Adam's lack of being cursed is representative of him. Not. It's like, look, you did a thing and there are consequences to that thing that you've done. Now a cascade of events are going to take place in the spiritual realm that are going to have physical repercussions on the human race forever now until this thing is rectified. But that. That just seems like the consequence of his action actions. If there was something greater going on, like if God didn't, you know, if God was like you, like, the nakash knew better. Therefore your curse, like, the Nakash knew better. The Nakash knows what happens, the spiritual implications of all this. So he's judged harshly. And.

[Raven]

And there's no questions to him. Right, but there's questions of the humans. He walks them through it.

[Matt]

That's what I'm saying. So like with. With Adam, it's like, okay, like, if my. My kid did something wrong and I knew, like, hey, there's a series of consequences coming. I love you. I'm not gonna curse you. Like, you're good. I'm still gonna be with you. But buckle up, dude, because shit's about to get real.

[Raven]

Yeah, but what if you start to have this conversation with him and your son doesn't lie back to you, he's

[Matt]

honest with you, it's not gonna stop the consequences.

[Raven]

Okay, but that's what. But it's a lot different than if he lied to you.

[Matt]

Well, if he lied, I think it's

[Raven]

a big deal that Adam says, yeah, I did eat a bit. And I know we love to say he blamed Cass or whatever the thing is, but I think he's being honest. I think he's saying, God, you gave me this chick.

[Matt]

Okay, well, let me ask. See this. If he, if he did, did God have the ability to stop the series of events that would come from Adam and Eve's transgressions.

[Raven]

Yeah, he can do whatever he wants.

[Matt]

So.

[Raven]

But they had this planned from before Adam and Eve. It wasn't like Adam ate the fruit and they're like, oh, crap, what do we do now? One of us is gonna have to go down there, guys. Like, it wasn't.

[Matt]

It wasn't like that. Right, Right.

[Raven]

This was planned from the beginning.

[Matt]

But I'm just wondering. Like. Like. So I guess the. The question is, if they didn't. If, let's say they did not repent, they didn't take ownership. If they had. Let's say they hadn't. If they had, would God have been like, okay, restored the iniquity is. Is wiped clean. I'm the God of forgiveness. You've asked for my forgiveness. You've. You've repented, you've taken ownership. This is all done.

[Raven]

No, I mean, the curse came on the entire planet, right? Like. Like, that's the thing. Like, Adam is refers to as the first. Jesus is referred to in two places as the second Adam and the last Adam. Like, what did they have in common? That the entire creation came under the authority of what happened to them, Right? So Adam wasn't just a representative of Adam. Adam was a representative of the entire human race. And planet Earth. And planet Earth. The whole planet's cursed whether he repents or not. Like. Like the deed is done. Like you're saying the deed is done. Now in regards to where Adam himself spends eternity. Eternity. Yeah, I think Adam and Eve. I hope Adam and Eve. I don't know. It's up to God, but I hope they're there. And I don't know. Like I said when I read the story, I'm saying this is still a father with his children.

[Matt]

Yeah. I don't think that he. I don't think they're.

[Raven]

And so who knows how the rest of their life went? Who knows? I guess we don't really know, man. My take when I read it is like, I don't know. In a weird. In a weird way. Way. It's almost like, I don't know. I don't know. All I know is when I read that, I always was like, thank God they didn't lie back to him. Yeah, thank God they said. They might have said, yeah, it's because of the wife. But he said straight up it was because of the wife. Like, that is why I did it. Right.

[Matt]

Yeah, I guess I could see that. I don't think that they're in hell. That's not the. The impression that I get. I just. I don't think you go from.

[Raven]

In a weird way, I almost feel like God took responsibility for the humans in this, dude.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Like he knew they were gonna go to the tree, dude. Just like I say, like, if you tell your kids, hey, whatever you do, if you tell Jack, hey, me and mom are going out for the night. Whatever you do, don't go. My top right dresser drawer in my room, going straight. See, when I get home, like, I mean, in a certain way, it almost feels like God took responsibility for this.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And that's why he had this communication with the humans and had the question and answer, and he made it a learning thing for them in.

[Matt]

In. In some way.

[Raven]

So for us, we're like, what?

[Matt]

It.

[Raven]

Just use this for a learning moment. It was 6,000 years, but for him, it's just the story of reality.

[Matt]

It is like the earliest, you know, it's like the childhood of humanity. That's what Adam and Eve in a lot of ways represent. Right. Because they are the. The. The sole representations of humanity at that time. I just don't think you go from like, walking nightly or in the evening in the cool of the day with Adam, him, and, you know, teaching them all this stuff and naming all the animals and having like, this real. Like, that's like the, like the most. How would you like, the most fatherly relationship is the way that that's described, like, walking in the evenings with your son and.

[Raven]

And, yeah, not only that. Before that, He. He forms all the animals of the ground and brings them to him to name them.

[Matt]

So I don't think you. You throw that guy in hell. I just don't think.

[Raven]

I mean, he could. If God wants to.

[Matt]

He could if he would. But just like God, I just don't.

[Raven]

I don't think that. I don't know.

[Matt]

It's a.

[Raven]

It's a fair question. I. There's probably a passage somewhere that says something, but I don't know. I. Again, I probably could have did a little more research before we did the show.

[Matt]

You really dropped the ball.

[Raven]

But I just always look at this like, it was just this learning thing with a father and a son, man. It was just like he walked him through it and said, okay, man. It wasn't like, I didn't know you were gonna do this.

[Matt]

I don't think that either. Like, so still reserve. I don't know if he's saying this, but he says that would make Eve a manipulative let Adam eat after she knew what would happen. Like, I don't know. I don't look at Eve that way either. I think it's really easy to kind of go like Eve. That there's a C.S.

[Raven]

lewis book, it's in the space trilogy and it's the second one, I think. And I think they're on a planet called Prandria and it's a Adam and Eve story on another planet. And again, we read these stories like this happened one afternoon. In that book, the serpent figure. Figure is following Eve around the planet for like months or years. Yes. Whispering in her ears until she finally has a moment of weakness. Well, that's not what happens in that story. I don't want to mess it up. But in that story, the Adam and Eve character don't sin. It's like this beautiful story where they're like, we never had to have the creator come to our planet the way he came to your planet. Because there's a human who goes there to the. It's a rad story, but it, but it's. Anyway, I don't know, like, it's so easy to look at Eve and say like that nasty. You know what?

[Matt]

No, she was deceived, but who knows

[Raven]

how long that went on, man.

[Matt]

Even if it didn't go on that long, the idea that she was deceived by a high ranking spiritual being that was known for his wisdom.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, yeah, dude.

[Raven]

And. And that. And I think what she was saying or somebody in the chat was saying that like, that was wrong of her because she knew now her eyes were open and she still let Adam do it. I think that might be why people say, yeah, Adam knew exactly what he was doing all long and knew that like, if he did this now, something would have to go into play that was going to save the human race.

[Matt]

Laney with the banger too, said, let me bring it up on stage here, that Adam was prophet, priest and king over her. So it's ultimately his fault.

[Raven]

Bingo.

[Matt]

I mean, as. Right.

[Raven]

Well, Adam gets put in the garden to. To work and protect it. So what. What? How did this snake get to get

[Matt]

to even over this thing?

[Raven]

So ultimately, yeah, am in. But then ultimately, who's over Adam? God. So it's almost like I feel like God did in a certain way, take responsibility for this. Use it as a learning situation. Because Jess says that too. Jess is like, I love that I'm your helper. Like, the Bible spells out that the woman's the helper. She's like, because Ultimately, everything's on you. So all I have to do. All I have to do is help you. And she's right.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And I have to say that to her sometimes. Hey, hey, hey. I'm going to be held accountable for this situation at the judgment seat.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

For not just me, but you, the kids. So, yeah, if you can just help me.

[Matt]

Well, that's why it is crazy, right, that Adam Simulacra says it. Adam goes like it was the woman you gave me. Like, it's like you have dominion. You. You. You're her spiritual leader.

[Raven]

Maybe he said like that, but maybe

[Matt]

he went like, this is what happened.

[Raven]

Maybe he just puts his head down and goes, God, it's the woman that you gave me. You. You know that one? Yeah, you know that one that I. That I was here, like, watching animals. You could read. Never had. I never had another human. And then all of a sudden, I had this chick, and she had boobs and a vagina and a butt. And, like, you gave her to me.

[Matt]

She had a donkey. I bet.

[Raven]

Like, you like, rad. That was for me when that day happened and she was given to me. Oh, God. Did you think I wasn't gonna go with her where she went? Yeah, like, I don't know. I. I don't know. I just think it's. I don't know what happens, man. I guess you read into it without. However you would look into it. Maybe because the way I look at my wife, that's why I read it that way. I don't know.

[Matt]

Maybe.

[Raven]

I know, but I think it's very easy to just say, oh, blame cast, or, oh, I don't know, man. I think some of these stories are a lot deeper than that.

[Matt]

I also think that these two, Adam and Eve, like, oftentimes they are. They're painted as, I don't know, like, sort of naive and like, in. In some ways, I'm sure they were. But, like, you know, to be a priest and a king and have dominion over the Garden of Eden and to be naming all the animals and like, these two were probably look like wizards to us.

[Raven]

Yeah, dude. Well, what they fell from, who knows, bro? Like, I think that even science tells us that, like, we only use 10 of our brain. Like, bro, who. Who know? Like, our concept of what Adam fell from.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Who knows?

[Matt]

So for us to be sitting back

[Raven]

and being like, communicating face to face with God, like, he, like, clearly he's capable. I don't know if he can move it, like, the speed of thought, like, you could just think and be somewhere or what this communication looked like he's. He's face to face with God. Yeah, I think we have no concept.

[Matt]

That is crazy because there's a lot of people who do that. Like, oh, you know, sin came in through the woman and Eve was this and that, that. And, and it's like we're like, none of them yelling at sorcerers, you know, like, like long deceased sorcerers.

[Raven]

That's a fair point. Dude.

[Matt]

Dude, that's.

[Raven]

And I'm telling you, nowhere in the story was God like, they did what?

[Matt]

Yeah, no, they ate from the tree.

[Raven]

I told them not to. None of it happened like that. Like, God's like, yeah, you know what, man?

[Matt]

In that, in that way. I'm not saying you should. I'm not saying you should, but the idea that the Catholic Church, which. This is kind of fascinating to me. I'm not saying you should do this, but you're praying to Mary and you're praying to the saints. And like, I do suspect that, yeah, Adam and Eve were basically like wizards in, in, you know, in comparison to us and their ability to perceive and interact with the spiritual realm and the things that they knew as to the true nature of reality and the true nature of the spiritual realm. And they're not praying to them. That seems kind of crazy to me. Like, if you prayed to Adam and Eve, I. I'd be like praying to the first man and woman ever. I don't agree with it, but I kind of get it. I get that you would make the attempt. I could see how that's tempting. Like, none of these people are doing that. That's kind of fascinating to me because if anybody was some like, high level, whatever you want to call it, alchemist or something or you know, like that, it's. It would be them. It would be them. But people aren't doing that. I wonder why.

[Raven]

I don't know, man. But. But back to this tree of the knowledge of good and evil thing. And sometimes people were like, yeah, why was this bad? Especially when you have the story of Solomon. We're talking about Solomon earlier, when God comes to Solomon in the dream. Actually we should just pull that up because you asked where it was. I want to say it's like 1 Kings 3, but it might be 2 Kings 3. I think it's something. Chapter 3 or 4. He asked for wisdom as well, but God's not mad at him for that.

[Matt]

Still, Reserve said Mary gave birth to Christ. Christ. So their blood was at one point the same. Yeah, but I mean like Adam And Eve were, like I said, straight up, wizards. Probably. I don't know.

[Raven]

I'm gonna talk to.

[Matt]

I know.

[Raven]

In Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night. And God said, ask what I shall give thee. Solomon said, you have showed unto thy servant David my father great mercy according as he walked before you in truth and in righteousness and in uprightness of heart with thee. And you have kept for him this great kindness that you have given him a son to sit on the throne as it is this day and now, O Lord my God, thou has made thy servant king instead of David my father. And I'm just a little child. I know not how to go out or come in. And thy servant is in the midst of thy people, which you have chosen. A great people that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude, that's Israel. Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge between thy people that I may discern between good and bad. For who is able to judge this die so great a people. So how is this different than Adam and Eve eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Hang on, hang on. And the speech pleased the Lord that Solomon asked this thing, okay? And God said unto him, because you have asked this thing and has not asked for thyself long life or riches, nor has asked thy life of thy enemies, but has asked thyself understanding to discern judgment. Behold, I've done according to your words. Lo, I've given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.

[Matt]

Damn.

[Raven]

And he says, and also I'll give you the riches and all this stuff too. But like the difference here is that he, he asked God for an understanding heart, right?

[Matt]

He doesn't.

[Raven]

He's not asking for this outside of God. So that's the difference. Because sometimes people ask, what's the difference? Adam and Eve went to the tree and knowledge of good and evil, so they could have the knowledge of good and evil outside of the relationship with God. Whereas Solomon is asking for wisdom inside of that relationship with God. So that's the difference between those two.

[Matt]

Okay, he's still up.

[Raven]

Yeah. It says he was the wisest man on the earth. There was nobody like him before.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's even crazy too because people that, that are like doing all this occult magic are going after the keys of Solomon. So they believe that Solomon was this real dude, was this like high ranking wizard and that all this knowledge is, is available through his works. And you could be like him. But God literally says, nobody's going to be as wise as you after.

[Raven]

Yeah. I don't know what's going on in the chat, but somebody talking about how Jesus said, I do everything under the will of my Father. So he's acknowledging a hierarchy. I'm just saying we have to do hierarchy and fingers quotes because Jesus was a servant to the Father, is a servant to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is a servant to Jesus. If you study it out, he says that the Holy Spirit won't say anything of himself, he'll only say things of me. And so I think we would use the word hierarchy, which I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'm just saying in our mind, a servant is less than the other one.

[Matt]

Right.

[Raven]

Whereas in the Godhead it's not. Because Jesus is a servant to the Father and does his will, doesn't make him less than the Father.

[Matt]

It's kind of like an arm mindset.

[Raven]

And that's why he's able to say, say, if any of you wants to be the greatest, be the servant.

[Matt]

Right?

[Raven]

Yeah. It's not because.

[Matt]

So it's literally inverted in a way. Right.

[Raven]

With the Godhead it's not, but with us it is. Yeah. And the Godhead, they're all equal. But it's so servanthood doesn't change anything.

[Matt]

All right, all right. Well, we gotta end this now. It's two and a half hours.

[Raven]

Two and a half hours.

[Matt]

And I gotta eat this fried chicken.

[Raven]

That is the stinkiest fried chicken I've ever smelled for two and a half hours.

[Matt]

Watermelon.

[Raven]

Did anybody like the Q A? I don't.

[Matt]

I don't think they liked it. I really don't think they liked it.

[Raven]

I really like the quiz. This kind of lame to do it every week, though, or should we do it every Tuesday?

[Matt]

No, I think it's great. I think every week. Yeah, why not? When is the next time we're gonna fill this place out and do a Bible study?

[Raven]

You never sit in.

[Matt]

Dude, when's the next time we're gonna fill out the. The whole coffee shop and do it?

[Raven]

You say, when, brother. You say.

[Matt]

Well, I don't know. I don't have the ability to call.

[Raven]

Did anybody like having the Raven on the thing today or was it kind of. Not so much.

[Matt]

No, we'll bring back. Don't worry. We'll bring back Top next time.

[Raven]

No, no, you should be in this, like, more, dude. You should be in the mix. No, because especially Top is really not liking that you're not going to church now, dude, so you should be kind of doing at least this kind of stuff.

[Matt]

I didn't know that. Well, I mean, has been texting me. I didn't respond to his text messages.

[Raven]

The old pastor?

[Matt]

Yeah, I like him.

[Raven]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The OG Pastor that really, like, had an. I see you doing the thing with the lip like you're embarrassed about it. I already know.

[Matt]

Reaching out.

[Raven]

You never responded to him.

[Matt]

Well, the reason I'm not embarrassed about it is because everybody knows I don't respond to anybody, including this guy who's

[Raven]

been like a spiritual mentor to you.

[Matt]

I mean, we had a couple of moments. He was a real ass, you know, dude. But.

[Raven]

So you're gonna not respond to him?

[Matt]

Well, you know, the way I look at it is, is you ever been in touch with, like, a salesperson after

[Raven]

you stop go to their thing, how you look at it, Dude, I'm not

[Matt]

saying I look at him that way. I'm just saying.

[Raven]

What are you saying? Why would you bring this up in context of, like, talking to him?

[Matt]

Because that was.

[Raven]

You bought a refrigerator, and now the salesman you bought the refrigerator from is calling to touch bases.

[Matt]

I'm just saying you give the church your number when you first start going there, and if they notice that you don't show up, they just look to it to keep their number numbers up. That's the way I see it.

[Raven]

Oh, crap. I didn't realize that.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Yeah, but he's not the pastor there anymore.

[Matt]

He's the lead pastor. He's not the lead pastor, but he's still like, you know, so.

[Raven]

So you think he's just calling to see why you haven't showed up?

[Matt]

I. I would imagine that anybody, not just me, gets that message if you don't show up for a while.

[Raven]

Okay. You need to be going somewhere, dude.

[Matt]

All right, well, you know, start filling this place out.

[Raven]

No, I'll go with you somewhere. Do you want to go?

[Matt]

No, let's go here. Here? Let's do it here.

[Raven]

Sunday mornings.

[Matt]

Why does it have to be Sunday morning?

[Raven]

Who's care about Friday nights?

[Matt]

Who cares? Whenever. Whenever. It works. Let's do it here.

[Raven]

No, Top is adamant. You need to be at a Sunday morning. I hate to use the word show, but he's adamant. You should be at, like, a Sunday morning show. No, I don't want to be separate from me. It can't just be like me. It's got to be like.

[Matt]

It's got nothing to do with. Well, I mean, you do present it in a way that I can actually understand.

[Raven]

So why would I even watch the shows? Told me that I have a.

[Matt]

A dude here.

[Raven]

You never watch the shows.

[Matt]

I watch the shows sometimes. You never watch I have a dude here. That explains things in a way that I understand. So I'm gonna go somewhere else.

[Raven]

Yeah. Top want YouTube, man.

[Matt]

That doesn't make any sense. Let's do it here. Let's fill this place out. When. When's the next time we can fill this place out?

[Raven]

There's no way Laney does all the edits with his phone. Yeah, yeah, I'm down for whatever.

[Matt]

He's basically Solomon. Okay, so let's do. Let's do it. Today's What?

[Raven]

I thought Lainey had a laptop. Didn't we get Laney or didn't talk?

[Matt]

No, that's the Chinese. Well, they're both Asian. Employ Asian people, by the way.

[Raven]

That's an interesting point. Dude, are you sure of my nationality? No, you're not.

[Matt]

So when is the next time we can fill it? I want to. Let's answer this before we close it out. Today is the 5th. It's. It's Friday. Can we get people here for, like, an in person Bible study soon?

[Raven]

If you set it up. And all I got to do is show up and do the content.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Raven]

I don't know what I told Top or straight Bible. I said, bro, if all I have to do is show up and do the content, I'm good. But I don't. I can't do any of the other stuff. All right.

[Matt]

Do you have anything to say in closing?

[Raven]

People love you, man.

[Matt]

This is your a Q A. I

[Raven]

know, but they love you being part. I'm always on my Q A. You're not. They love you.

[Matt]

I'm always on Nephilim Death Squad.

[Raven]

They love your. I know, but this is different. It wasn't all the same people.

[Matt]

Where's that nice breeze coming from? The AC kicked in all of a sudden. I've never felt cold air in this place. All right, that's. That's all you want to say?

[Raven]

You crushed today. Thanks for doing your story. If anybody didn't see Raven's story from earlier. Dude, you gotta watch that. I don't know when it's gonna stream to YouTube or whatever.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Raven]

It's on your channel, but it's on Patreon. Yeah, you guys want to watch that? Dude, the Raven has a wild ass life. Which. You're really gonna want to watch this one.

[Matt]

All right. Okay, that's it.

[Raven]

I mean, have a good weekend. It's Friday.

[Matt]

Oh. Enjoy your weekend, guys. Bye. Bye. It.