SUNDAY SHARE: CIA Church & Alien Nation - The Unfiltered Rise Podcast

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad – Episode Summary: "SUNDAY SHARE: CIA Church & Alien Nation - The Unfiltered Rise Podcast"

Introduction In this gripping episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsta Productions, featuring TopLobsta and Raven, delve deep into the intricate web of conspiracies intertwining the CIA, secret religious institutions, and extraterrestrial phenomena. Titled "SUNDAY SHARE: CIA Church & Alien Nation," the episode presents a riveting collaboration with guest Tim Constantine from the Six Sensory Podcast. Together, they unravel historical events, hidden agendas, and esoteric practices that have shaped modern politics and technology.

Key Topics Discussed

1. JFK Assassination and the Upcoming File Release Tim and Heidi open the discussion by highlighting the synchronized research into the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK. Heidi notes, “The best part about the last episode we did was we had no idea that the JFK files were about to be released” (02:20). This unexpected timing suggests a possible hidden agenda behind the revelations in these files.

2. Thane Eugene Caesar and the RFK Assassination Conspiracy The conversation shifts to RFK’s assassination, where Tim introduces the controversial figure Thane Eugene Caesar. “He was an aerospace guy who worked at Skunk Works and for the Mormon Church” (03:49). Both speakers express skepticism about Sirhan Sirhan being the sole perpetrator, citing autopsy anomalies and Caesar’s dubious background.

3. Project Paperclip and Nazi Influence on American Aerospace Delving into historical contexts, Tim connects Operation Paperclip scientists like Dornberger and von Braun to modern aerospace advancements. Heidi emphasizes, “They had a whole scientific setup in Nazi Germany that carried into American technology” (48:30). This infiltration has allegedly paved the way for secret technological developments, including fiber optics and circuitry derived from occult research.

4. Secret Societies and the Role of Mormons in Political Assassinations A significant portion of the episode explores the influence of Mormons within secret societies. Tim states, “The Mormon mafia is actually one of the runners... They were the ones that carried it out” (13:06). The hosts discuss how these groups have historically orchestrated political assassinations to maintain control and further their hidden agendas.

5. Seances, the Nine Gods, and Esoteric Rituals The episode delves into a 1952 seance organized by Andrea Puharovich intended to channel nine principal gods from ancient Egyptian mythology. Tim explains, “These players are so wild that you’ll understand why it makes such a big difference” (29:27). This ritual is believed to have significant ties to subsequent political manipulations and technological breakthroughs.

6. UFO Disclosure and the Release of JFK Files With the impending release of JFK files, Tim and Heidi speculate on the potential for UFO disclosures. Tim remarks, “They might be preparing to reveal alien existence through these files” (05:36). Heidi adds her own research on UFO threat disclosures, hinting at a deeper connection between government secrecy and extraterrestrial phenomena.

7. Bloodlines, Genealogy, and Modern Leadership The hosts explore the concept of bloodlines, particularly how certain affluent families with historical ties influence contemporary politics and technology. Heidi shares, “I'm part of a legitimate royal bloodline” (106:22), highlighting the hidden genealogy that connects influential leaders across generations.

8. Occult Practices Within Religious Institutions A recurring theme is the integration of occult practices within mainstream religious institutions, particularly the Mormon Church. Tim asserts, “Churches are always an easy place to integrate” (26:49), suggesting that these rituals subconsciously influence societal norms and technological advancements.

Notable Quotes

• Heidi Love at [02:20]: “The best part about the last episode we did was we had no idea that the JFK files were about to be released.”

• Tim Constantine at [13:06]: “The Mormon mafia is actually one of the runners... They were the ones that carried it out.”

• Heidi Love at [29:27]: “These players are so wild that you’ll understand why it makes such a big difference.”

• Tim Constantine at [05:36]: “They might be preparing to reveal alien existence through these files.”

Insights and Conclusions

1. Interconnectedness of Historical Events and Secret Societies: The episode underscores the deep-seated connections between historical events like the JFK assassination and secret societies, particularly those with religious affiliations. These groups, often masked by legitimate institutions, wield significant influence over political and technological developments.

2. Technological Advancements Rooted in Esoteric Research: Tim and Heidi highlight how clandestine research, initially rooted in Nazi occult practices, has permeated American aerospace and technology sectors. This hidden foundation suggests that many modern innovations may have origins beyond conventional scientific endeavors.

3. Impending Revelations from JFK Files: The anticipated release of the JFK files is poised to unveil startling truths about government involvement in extraterrestrial phenomena and covert operations. This aligns with Heidi's research on UFO threat disclosures, hinting at a monumental shift in public understanding of UFOs and alien life.

4. The Power of Bloodlines and Genealogy in Modern Leadership: The discussion on bloodlines reveals how genealogical ties influence present-day leadership and policy-making. This secret lineage, often interwoven with affluent and influential families, suggests a perpetuation of power through carefully guarded genealogical connections.

5. Occult and Esoteric Practices as Tools of Control: By embedding occult rituals within religious institutions, secret societies manipulate spiritual beliefs to exert control over the masses. This manipulation extends to technological advancements and political maneuvers, ensuring the perpetuation of their hidden agendas.

Conclusion "SUNDAY SHARE: CIA Church & Alien Nation" offers a profound exploration of the hidden forces shaping our world. Through meticulous research and compelling discussions, Tim Constantine and Heidi Love present a narrative that challenges conventional understandings of history, technology, and spirituality. This episode not only sheds light on the intricate connections between secret societies and major historical events but also sets the stage for future revelations with the forthcoming JFK file releases. For listeners intrigued by the convergence of conspiracy, religion, and extraterrestrial phenomena, this episode is a must-listen.

References:

• Hosts: Tim Constantine (Six Sensory Podcast) and Heidi Love (Unfiltered Rise Podcast)
• Guests Mentioned: Thane Eugene Caesar, Sirhan Sirhan, Guy Bannister, Norman Peel, Howard Hughes, Prescott Bush, Alan Dulles
• Key Concepts: Project Paperclip, MK Ultra, Secret Religious Fronts, Bloodlines in Leadership, Occult Rituals in Modern Institutions

Transcript

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[Heidi Love]

Heidi Love in the house Dropping knowledge and facts Uncovering the truth no need for acting laughs she ain't afraid to speak her mind Breaking through the lies Rising up with love Taking us to new highs we're living in a world full of secrets and deceit But Heidi's here to expose Bringing shit truth to the beast she's got a message Spreading it far and wide from addiction I hope she's on the other side.

[Tim Constantine]

Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Unfiltered Rise. But today, it isn't just the Unfiltered Rise, because I have Tim here from Six Sensory Podcast, and we're doing a swapcast tonight. How you doing, Tim?

[Heidi Love]

I'm doing good. I'm going to have fun with this because this is classic, classic conspiracy that has come back to life because, of course, we tapped into this without knowing.

[Tim Constantine]

Again, isn't it funny that we actually talk? Okay, we knew what each other were studying, but also JFK is going to be jfk, mlk and rfk, which is going to be released soon on the whole, you know, exposing all the whole thing. And I'm like, isn't it Weird that we were already down this rabbit hole like at least four months ago.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

Funny, huh?

[Heidi Love]

That's what I was going to say. The best part about this or the best part about the last episode we did was we had no idea that the JFK files were about to be. Be released. So it's like, what are the chances?

[Tim Constantine]

It was weird because I was just strictly doing research on RFK because there's Mormon involvement on rfk, which we'll get to a different day. But then I was like, well, JFK's in this so much. I'm gonna look at it. And then. And then it got weird, right? We're gonna talk about getting weird. Like, what. What is happening?

[Heidi Love]

I know, I know. It's like again, again, somehow we did a show where this. With weird timing and then like, we seem to have all this information just kind of dropped in our. In our laps, you know, not to be dramatic, but almost like it's by an unseen force.

[Tim Constantine]

It's really. I mean, me and Tim are only two and not nine, but I'm telling you guys.

[Heidi Love]

Hey, can I say, like. I know, I know you said you want to get to rfk, but. And we. In another at another time. But yeah, there's. I found some interesting stuff with him. I'm just gonna toss this in. He was. So Sirhan Sirhan is the official shooter. That's the mainstream.

[Tim Constantine]

Didn't happen.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, well, there's another guy there named Caesar who was an aerospace guy. He worked at Skunk Works.

[Tim Constantine]

Guess what? Guess where he also worked. He worked for the Mormon Church.

[Heidi Love]

Really?

[Tim Constantine]

Now you know why I've been down the rabbit hole. Yes. Eugene Caesar. Yes.

[Heidi Love]

Okay, well, that'll be a good show.

[Tim Constantine]

Yep. I've got all kinds of stuff on Thane Eugene Caesar, that's his name. And I. I've been really deep diving him because the Sirhan Sirhan. You want to talk about the occult and getting weird. Holy crap. You guys. Hang on to your pants for the next one with me and Tim, because it is something like, it is weird. I was like, what the hell is happening here? He disappeared for like 21 days and nobody knew where the hell this guy was. But the saddest part of that is when they do this release of information. He is alive, you guys. He's 80 something years old. He's alive in a prison. He spent his whole life in jail. And Thomas Noguchi's freaking autopsy said there's no possible way it happened from the front.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

So.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. And that guy. And I mean, I'M not going to say much more on it, so we could talk about it later. But that guy Caesar, he was supposedly in the back. He had the means to. To be able to pull a shot like that off and all this other stuff. But. But what, what got my attention was that aerospace connection.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

With, like, what's happening now, because it was a weekend or so ago, I saw Trump officially releasing the JFK files, and I saw where he said, here, give the pin to rfk. So I'm curious about how this is going to play out with these files, because, you know, they say when RFK wrote that book about Fauci, that he had a full legal team with him who went through that book line by line before he published it. Like, they scoured it. So I'm wondering if he's going to go put, like, a similar team on these JFK files.

[Tim Constantine]

What he said in the press release was they are going to be released in their entire entirety with nothing withheld. So I don't think that they're going to redact anything. And actually they're supposed to take off all the redactions. And it's interesting because, you know, I think it might possibly be the rollout for something that we'll get into here in a minute because I think they might be getting ready to, you know, bump project Blue theme, because, you know, that would make sense because then we've got, you know, the whole alien reveal type stuff. Right. And. And so maybe they're getting. They're amping it up that it would make sense.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, I, I've got a lot of stuff on this alien thing, too. Funny enough that I haven't. I don't even think I told you about this, but I've been working on a side project, and it's gotten me face to face with this UFO threat disclosure stuff. So we'll see if that comes up tonight.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, I'm. I'm pretty sure it will because we're going to talk about Pew Puerovich. I can't remember how to say his name.

[Heidi Love]

Okay. If they're going to roll out a UFO thing, that's interesting because right now it seems like they're trying to get people to trust this administration. Like, Trump is really trying to get people to. It's almost like he's trying to renew people's trust in government. Like, and, and look, I'm not falling for either. I've got. I've got eyes in the back of my head with this one. But, you know, it's almost like he's trying to speak to people who had a 2020 or post 2020 wake up moment.

[Tim Constantine]

Like, well, sort of. Because, I mean, he did bump that MRNA cancer thing. I don't want to say the word. And I'm like, that is so not smart right now. That is not a good idea. Right straight out the gate, just like what happened before with warp speed. I don't think he was wise in that decision at this time. Right. Like, I would have cooled my jets for a hot second on releasing any kind of medical anything just because people are going to be sketched, you know, but also, I can see that, you know, he has a lot to lose here. Let's. Let's admit it. I mean, with Roy cone on the board of Permandex, which we're gonna do a full, like, financial side. This is the woo woo side and there's the financial side. But I just can't believe that he would want that to touch him. You know, Roy cone was his best friend.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. And Roy Con was a total swamp creature. He was like, he knew. He, like, he knows where the bodies are buried. He's one of those kind of guys.

[Tim Constantine]

It's almost like he put him there.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. He probably had a hand. It's almost like that was Trump's glimpse into the. The very, very dark side of politics. And I don't know if that hurt or helped Trump. You know, we'll see. But, you know, if we're going to talk about UFOs, I've. I've got something I've been wanting to run by you, and it starts with Trump's minister.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, so I don't know about this.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. So, Donald, but we are going to.

[Tim Constantine]

Talk about some weird church today.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, this is gonna. Yeah, this will. This will pipe right into that. So. So Trump's minister is a guy named Norman Peel, who was actually influenced by Swedenborg. Yeah. But it's like, it's kind of disguise. But basically, Peel wrote a book. It's called the Power of Positive Thinking. And people have pointed out that it's basically line by line, like, based off of Swedenborg's principles. So I thought that was interesting because, you know, Swedenborg's like this occultist guy, but Peel, in addition to being Trump's minister, he's also Nixon's minister and a minister to the Eisenhower family.

[Tim Constantine]

So I don't trust anybody that's with Eisenhower.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Yeah. So there's like a weird, weird threat. I don't either. There's like a weird threat thread between those Those groups and JFK and the secret space stuff because Trump, Trump and Nixon were like really close. Trump had a letter up in the White House that Nixon wrote him. Nixon later in life moved to New York and was hanging out with Trump. And Nixon was working with like a se. During his time in office. Nixon was working with a secret space base in Australia that was getting all this crazy UFO information. And Nixon was rumored to have compiled all that and. And put it in a time capsule in the White House for just the right president or leader to come by.

[Tim Constantine]

It'll just pop open.

[Heidi Love]

Well, I think he was going to clue them in. Right, right. He was going to clue them in. But it's. It was like this UFO disclosure, free energy, aerospace, advanced technology that Nixon prop. But, but Trump also in his.

[Tim Constantine]

He knows because Tesla. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His uncle John.

[Heidi Love]

Uncle. Yeah. So like. Yeah, here's what I was thinking with that. We know JFK was going to work with the Russians and expose like all the secret space stuff. He was going to put it out there so we could have this, you know, more of a global approach to space. And there's a lot of UFO stuff involved in that. So what I'm thinking is like, what if Nixon was going to release what JFK was going to release, but JFK got killed. Then Nixon got ax because of.

[Tim Constantine]

He like inherited it. Oh yeah. We're gonna talk about. And we're gonna talk about Watergate too, because the Mormons are highly involved in Watergate. Highly involved. The Mormon mafia is actually one of the runners. Well, basically they were the reason behind RFK's assassination. Like they were the ones that carried it out, basically. And the other part is, is with Watergate, they're super highly involved and they actually ruined this guy's life. We'll talk about another the next time when Watergate and Permandex will go together. But it just was kind of shocking that they did this to this guy and literally he had to move to Canada. And so I was just like, what the heck? I read his book and I was just like, whoa, this is. Wow.

[Heidi Love]

And Permadex was based out of. Partly based out of Canada, right? Montreal.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah. Well, they owned half of the stocks with the Bronf. Bronfman family. Owned it half through Bloomfield is who was up in Canada that owned the half. So that they're representatives.

[Heidi Love]

So was there like a. Is there like a. And we don't have to jump. Stay on this for long, but was there like a French Canadian kind of a influence there that Maybe spread down to New Orleans.

[Tim Constantine]

There's definitely some coups with. They tried to have the French president assassinated multiple times. And so I don't know what's going on with that whole situation. Like, but he never got caught, you know, so he never got. It was kind of funny because, you know, they say that that was who. So Permandex, just for people that aren't. Aren't aware. And this is kind of a fun little touch on it, is that people say, okay, what does that stand for? And they. They say it means permanent industrious expo. Right. Because that's what they say it means. But I've heard that it means permanent index of people to kill.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah. Like a hit list.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes. I'm saying it's number two. And, you know, it's interesting the people they've gone after and it's. It makes it really funny with Reagan's little comment where he's like, you missed me. Remember when he said that you missed me?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, Right. Right.

[Tim Constantine]

Cool. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And I mean, it's funny, like, with or without Permandex, you still have this group of people who were sort of in cahoots behind closed scenes, kind of. Kind of orchestrating a lot of these assassinations because, you know, that. That RFK's assassination was only three months from the MLK assassination, but of course, kicked that all off. So it's all the same group of people. Maybe.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, it. It definitely was. Because, you know, different. Different hits have different pieces and different players, but they definitely were worried about how pissed RFK was. He was all over the newspaper saying he was gonna pull it apart and this and that. And like, I think that people were really nervous with him gonna dig into this whole thing. So they got rid of everybody. And you know what? I don't think his wife's 100 innocent on not RFKs, but Jackie's innocent.

[Heidi Love]

Well, you know, it's like we talked about last time. And I mean, for me, this pulls the car right up to talk about the UFO stuff. Jim Garrison, in interviews with Rampart, he said he narrowed down the suspects of the JFK murder. Two names within the Aerospace Comp. Military industrial complex. And, and the people who have all the info on the UFO stuff, like the MJ12 and all this blue. Blue book, all that. All the. All the people who were working with government approval to look into the UFO thing were. Were part of this. Aerospace, military, industrial.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, you know, you know, who was over MJ12 for a long time? It was Bush. And. And Bush, you Know he's got a part to play when we get in with Hughes. Once again, he is part of Zapata Oil. He actually rents a piece of an island for. From Hughes, who was very anti communist. He was very serious about like we do not, you know, cahoots with anybody. But he was also super racist and you know, whatever. It, It's a different time.

[Heidi Love]

At least I get it. There were two Bushes too. I think there was a man over.

[Tim Constantine]

But this one, the MJ12, I think the secrecy part, at least in the government end, I think was President Bush. But as far as the file and like his workings was van over. And then John was his. John.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. John Trump worked for or he was. He was what?

[Tim Constantine]

His protege?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

Uhhuh. Yeah. Yep, yep. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

It was such a wild tie in.

[Tim Constantine]

That's. And the fact that like, honestly, we're going to talk about this guy today that I'm like, this is more stranger things than, than anything else I've ever seen. And we probably should do a deeper dive like with an MK Ultra another time. But like, this has been an interesting ride. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna share my screen and I'll show you why. Because last time we, I wasn't quite ready when we talked about the nine, but I said, oh, we'll do it again. And then, you know, I, I think.

[Heidi Love]

This is going to get interesting too if, you know, with us putting this information out today, but also like, if people want to keep an eye on what's happening in the. At that inauguration, you see Musk and Bezos, basically Trump's corner salute.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, not now though. Did you hear Musk got thrown out of the White House, so.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, that didn't last very long. But they seem like, they seem.

[Tim Constantine]

You can't do the salute. I don't know what he was doing there.

[Heidi Love]

Is that why they threw him out?

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[Tim Constantine]

No. But all of a sudden, he has had his access. This is what I read on just news stuff on my phone. His access has been removed and he now reports to, I think the Secretary of Defense lady, or I, I can't remember who, but it was a woman. And they said she would not have been able to make that call. That had to have come directly from the President. So I don't know what the heck.

[Heidi Love]

Well, you know, Trump's. Trump's little baby brainchild thing was, is Space Force. That's like, that's part of his legacy. And, and I mean, Elon Musk holds a lot of contract with Space Force, so that they've been working together behind the scenes for a long time. Trump and, And Musk have. I think. I just thought it was squabble.

[Tim Constantine]

There was a squabble over some money for Space Force. That was what the deal was. Okay. They. He said, we want much money for Space Force. Trump did. And then Elon was like, I don't have that much money. And so there was kind of this little weird glitch. It'll probably smooth over unless it's not meant to, but.

[Heidi Love]

Well, you know, I just wonder if Trump, with or without Musk, Bezos and some of these other guys are going to bypass NASA and aerospace and kind of revive the space race. Like, you know, that's kind of what JFK was going to do, so.

[Tim Constantine]

Right. I know that's a. Death. Death.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

After reading all this stuff, I'm like, oh, I don't know. But I mean, obviously the last guy that tried to do it, maybe it just wasn't the time yet. Right. And so this is kind of a little bit before. We're going to talk a little bit about these players, too, before we get to the nine. But this is Guy Bannister. I'm sure you've heard about Guy Bannister. And so, you know, he's the UFO researcher for the CIA with the whole Maury island affair.

[Heidi Love]

Yes.

[Tim Constantine]

And so he was, you know, had a big, huge fight, though, after the JFK assassination, and he actually drew a gun on Fairy. His last name is Fairy. And he said, what are you gonna do, kill me? Like jfk. And actually he got arrest. One of them got arrested. And so I thought that was really interesting because they were drunk at a bar and I was like, oh, that's kind of a weird place to start. But when I said we were going to talk about fake churches today. It's not even the Mormons I'm gonna pick on Guy. Guy Banister, he's basically a Pope over this fake church.

[Heidi Love]

Yes, he was. He was also an invest. He was also a UFO investigator for Hoover. And they had. I'll let you tell it. But they had him in a CIA front church.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes, well actually it's never been confirmed that it was orthodox CIA front. But yes, it was the Orthodox church. And I was like shocked that. And this is Jack S. Martin. He was also involved in this church, this little fake church. And he's a bishop. They're all bishops except for Banister. Banister was kind of like the Pope. There was no church parishioners or anything. And it was just this place like. And that was it. And they never really did anything with it. So they're not, they're not copying to it. So also Walter Myron Profetta was in it. Former former Ukrainian priest, notorious anti communist, which means anti Russian basically at this point in time, picked by Dewey to be the White House chaplain and close associate of J. Edgar Hoover. So he was also one of the people, Christopher Maria Stanley, he's also known as Carl Stanley for the FBI. He was a close associate with Fairy Profetta Martin and he was a part of this church as well. So the weird part is, is all these guys start dropping like flies, okay, afterwards, after JFK's death, like they were summoned to. This guy was the only guy that showed up. They were summoned to New York and basically they said, bring your documents with you, why you're doing this, or whatever. And it was for the FBI. Like they knew who it was being summoned for and he was the only one that actually went. Everybody else was like, nah, bro. And so they didn't go and he dies. And then, you know, Fairy dies, all these people start dying, dying, dying.

[Heidi Love]

Well, this is Garrison, right? Garrison called. So all for just the pan over these players here, it's Guy Banister was over Clayshaw. Clay Shaw worked for Guy Bannister. But what was happening with the Garrison investigation is Garrison called again, a guy named Russo to the stage. And Russo said that he had overheard Oswald, Clayshaw and Fairy at a party conspiring to shoot Kennedy and that they had even gone so far as to say that they were going to do like a triangulation of crossfire and all this and that. But the problem is these, all these guys are CIA and so it's like, it's like the CIA threw their own people at the problem Just to muddy the waters, just to obfuscate things. Right.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and it was such a weird little thing, but. And. And I get the. Like to hide it or whatever. But then, like, when you get to the point where they start dropping dead, that's just kind of crazy because they're like, oh, he just had an aneurysm. Oh, this guy committed suicide. Oh, this guy touched his car door and had a jelly, like, substance on his hand and just died after that.

[Heidi Love]

So, oh, the CIA killed him off. They killed their own people. This was like. This was like the deed. You get killed by your handler.

[Tim Constantine]

Right? And so all of this plays into, like, the whole thing when we're gonna get into, like, why maybe something happened, which is why I bring it up. And. And it's just kind of a blip. It's not about the nine, like I said. But it. I think it's important enough because it's going to tie into the future. So that's why I put it. Put it on here.

[Heidi Love]

How much stuff do you have on Shaw right now?

[Tim Constantine]

Not tons. We can definitely go over Shaw for sure.

[Heidi Love]

Maybe. Maybe I can pepper this in real quick because I think that Shaw was 100 CIA, because I looked into him. He was so Shaw, he worked for Guy Bannister, who Heidi's talking about. Right. So Shaw was traveling a lot, mainly to South America. And from what I could tell, whenever he would return, whenever he'd come back into the country, he would give the CIA a report of the things he saw, names and incidents and all kinds of stuff. He did that for around 10 years, leading right up to the 60s, right up to the assassination. So he was a total CIA. I don't know if he was completely in. If he was a wannabe, but they were using him. He was a rookie recruit. He was kind of in that mode. He was definitely a shield. So. So ultimately, I think that he was CIA, and CIA brought him in probably to clutter up the investigation and just, you know, kind of like, use them until they don't need them anymore. And then you just toss them like. Like, you know, like trash. So.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and you have to understand one other thing is Clay Shaw is on the Permanentex board.

[Heidi Love]

Wow. Forgot about that.

[Tim Constantine]

So I don't know if he's a useful idiot or playing one, right? Like, I mean, like, who. Who really knows the truth. But all of these guys, I showed you, guys in, you know, Jack Martin, the Bishops, these. These people that Garrison mentions, they're all in this fake church, but they all also were in the Maury island affair. So they knew stuff. They, they. I think they're trying to clean up, you know, anything X related. And when I say X related, I mean X Files related because I think they wanted it to go away. Like they just weren't, you know, they weren't having it. And the other one that died, Fairy, he was a pilot. And, you know, then the pictures came out later with Oswald, which I have in here. I think. Let me.

[Heidi Love]

They worked on the same Civil Air Force patrol unit. And going back to this UFO thing, Oswald and Fairy worked on some sort of a secret.

[Tim Constantine]

There you go.

[Heidi Love]

Having this. The UFO spy plane.

[Tim Constantine]

Here's the. At the Oak. The cap days. So he was a pilot and it was in the, let's see, civil something pilots like he, he was a pilot for that. And so. And I can't remember the, the.

[Heidi Love]

I don't have anything on the screen, by the way.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, really?

[Heidi Love]

There was eight. There it is. There is a third incident called the Mari island incident.

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[Heidi Love]

And it's been muddied up so much that a lot of people in the UFO community don't even think it happened. But I think some of that might be propaganda. I'm not really sure. So. So do you think that they were. There's like a, like you said, X Files. Like, like there's like a, A UFO file on the Mario island incident and some of that other stuff that they were trying to clean up.

[Tim Constantine]

I think that they were trying to get rid of anybody that could possibly say yes for sure that this happened. It's kind of sketchy. Like when you look at that whole situation and fake churches, like, it just makes one know one thing. Like churches are always an easy place to like integrate because how easy is it to just pretend like you're part of.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, yeah. And they would give. The CIA, would give these ministers these big White House positions and the church elders were all spooks working for the CIA and. But they're on the, on the back end. Yeah, there was totally all these political upgrades, you know, or handshakes and deals being made. And it's brilliant because at this time in the 60s, if you look like a priest and, you know, you're wearing that collar and everything, you could go anywhere you want it. You could just walk right in. It was perfect, I'm sure.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, for sure. So we're going to talk about the nine, and we're going to talk about the people that we're at this seance. And it's a very strange case. I was telling you about it the last time we met and the players of it, it's even more odd. So I wanted to present a little more about what happened because it's going to go right into the X Files. And so when we say X Files, the reason why is because of how they named them. So they named them sm, X Files for security matter and then slx. So that's how they like categorize these. And that's why the X Files is called the X Files. So but it's kind of interesting and mind blowing when you get to some of the connections to Lee Harby Oswald, to jfk, to everything with this seance. And it gets, it gets strange. So in 1952, this seance is organized by Andrea Puharovich, and he was intended to channel the nine. And when they say the nine, they mean the nine principal gods of the An. And this is supposed to be like they were the ones worshiped at Heliopolis. And so it's like Adam A T U M, Shu, he's okay, so Adam is the sun God. Shu is God of air, Tevna, goddess of moisture. We've got, let's see, cl's God of Earth, Nut, goddess of sky, Osiris, member of the Oneid, Isis, member of the Oneid, Seth, member of the Oneid, and Nephet sees maybe N, E, P, H, T H Y S. I'm not sure how to say that, but.

[Heidi Love]

And also some sort of a panel that of gods that these people were.

[Tim Constantine]

So, yeah, they're ancient Egyptian type gods and they're there to channel this, this nine. Well, if this just happened and we just heard about it later, and it was no big deal, like these people weren't influential or played into anything else, it wouldn't even matter. But these players are so wild that you, like, when you hear this, you'll understand why it makes such a big difference. So this lady, Ruth Payne Young, her father was employed by the CIA. Sister was a psychiatrist in the CIA. Like I said, she wants to learn Russian. That's her whole big claim to fame over what's going to happen and go down here, right? And, and it's funny because she's a Quaker and she's just like, oh, I'm just this nice little housewife, whatever. And so she's there, okay, her, her son was not there, but he's integral in all of this here coming soon. Her husband was there, Arthur Young. He is the inventor of the Bell helicopter. So obviously he's got a whole bunch of clearances. I mean, why he's at this weirdo seance, I don't know. But, you know, he has a lot.

[Heidi Love]

Of Nazi connections too, which we could probably get to later.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, yeah, I think there's a couple pictures that you'll be definitely interested in. But he. He left supposedly Bell helicopter, retired from all military stuff, and gets really involved in the studies of anything esoteric. So that doesn't surprise me that he gets involved with the Nazi stuff because he just all of a sudden one day is like, I'm cool. I don't need to do that anymore. Like, meh. You know. But we have to also talk about who his family is, because also his mom was there, but her name is Ruth Payne also. So Ruth Payne Forbes Young. So they almost have exactly the same name, except she was a Forbes. And not only was she a Forbes, she also is the granddaughter of Ralph Waldo Emerson. She was super influential. She's old money. Her dad died on the Titanic, left her a ton of money. And, you know, she just has had this, like, life of pretty much luxury since. Not saying I'd want my dad to die over it, but, you know, they're.

[Heidi Love]

Related to the carries too, right? Like John Kerry.

[Tim Constantine]

I. I think they're related on the carries, on both sides, actually. And what's. And I think that'll come up with her son. But the other people, I couldn't get the pictures of them, but I do have who was there. And it's pretty interesting when you listen to the names, right? So we've got. We've got Henry and Georgia Jackson. We've got Alice Bouvier, born Alice Aster. Yeah. Marcella Dupont. Yes, that Dupont. Like the duponts. Carl Betts, Vonnie Beck and Puharovich. And there is nine of them, just like there is the nine that they're called. And so it's interesting. They get together and. And this guy is super into the sacred mushroom. He is a big deal in the CIA. And so Puharovich served as a captain at Edgewood in the army. And he is in the arsenal of hallucinogenics, drugs and psychic ability. He is literally probably how Stranger Things was made. Like, he is the inspiration for this. He was working on psychic ability specifically to find a way to stimulate psychic ability and drug use, to use that to do that. And so he worked for the CIA in the 1950s, and he's the one that found Uri Geller.

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[Tim Constantine]

Certified to operate by Chef so if you guys know about Yuri Geller, like, he's a whole rabbit hole too. But Yuri Geller actually didn't like him because he said, I always felt like he was trying to get things out of me for the CIA. So he didn't like it. And, and he wasn't. It wasn't a for sure thing. Like, it was kind of on the DL, but, oh, he's working with the CIA. But Geller had figured it out. He was like, I don't like this. So whether you believe Geller or not, because Geller's kind of.

[Heidi Love]

Some people, what was this guy doing for the 9 was weren't they sending him off to other countries and stuff to, I don't know, to like, do research and stuff that was going to.

[Tim Constantine]

Help them esoterically, they do after this happens. And so he is the one running the nine this night. And this night is in 1952 at the seance on a full moon, or actually it's on June 20, June 27, 1953. The original organization of it was in 1952, but they picked a certain moon and everything to do this by. So this guy is running it. And these fancy people that I'm telling you about and like, how, how they're basically the Nine, they also are known as the Roundtable Foundation. So this guy gets a whole bunch of backing by all these Richie Richies. And so not only is he working on the side for the CIA, but he's also doing all of this work. And this is like part of their testing, like later on with the ESP abilities and like different testings that they did. He was the one that did all the hallucinogenic drug research and everything. But this is two years after or, well, one and a half years after the seance. So during the seance, they have some kind of like mass psychological experiment with Broader psychological application. They won't say exactly what they found out, but we know this, like, as soon as this happens, all of these people end up kind of a part of the JFK situation. And even, you know, to the point where some had been shut down. And. And they say they spoke to aliens hovering above in space and all this stuff during this time. And so it's so weird that when we. We go backward and we see, okay, they do this seance, whatever, they don't meet again for quite some time. He takes off, he's doing his thing. None of these people, like, really have a whole lot to do after this night except accept the pains and the pains. Arthur is not really too much on the wordiness, but Ruth Payne was like a number one testimonial person. And Michael Payne, her son, he actually worked. He was. He was her first marriage child. So Michael went and got a job at Bell Helicopter. And he did not just have regular security clearance there. His stepdad was the one that built the Bell Helicopter. So he had, like, massive security clearance there. So just to know, like, he. He's kind of a big deal in with that. And also.

[Heidi Love]

So their. Their testimony thing that you mentioned, you're talking about testimony in the JFK assassination Later.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes, way, way later.

[Heidi Love]

Because it looks like when you look at the dates, that it looks like they were doing a lot of this work, you said, I think in 1953 or 1954.

[Tim Constantine]

Four is when they start really getting in on this whole acid trip stuff. But for now, Michael is just so people know who he is. He's an engineer, and he's working like Apple Helicopter. Okay. And he talks to his wife after the assassination, and he was saying, we both know who is responsible for this because they had their phones bugged. And also at Bell Helicopter, guess who his boss is?

[Heidi Love]

He was a Nazi. Dornberger, right?

[Tim Constantine]

Yes. He's got a Nazi boss. And so it's. It's odd. And then you have to also remember the Oswalds. Okay, so Ruth Payne is the one that is, like, where they're staying at her house. She's the one that has the garage. She's the one that's like basically the connect. And here's that picture we were talking about earlier with Fairy, just so people can see.

[Heidi Love]

Dornberger, this guy's boss, he was a paperclip Nazi. He was. They were going to hang him at Nuremberg. That's how bad this guy was. Von Braun intervened, said, I need him here with me. So they brought him over to America with They were hesitant about it because he was such a murderous Nazi, but they brought him anyway. He ends up at this Bell Aerospace, and working beneath him is, as a protege is this Michael Payne, who's married to Ruth. So Oswald is in and out of this paint house, right? And it's. Supposedly, it's where he stored the gun that, well used to shoot jfk.

[Tim Constantine]

And. And he's. Wait, I'll show this picture before I scoot along. And his wife is literally staying with Ruth. So this picture is Marina and Ruth, and she's letting her, like, live at her house just for no reason. And. And they act like they're super poor and everything. And this is a really weird thing, too. Like, they just act like they're normal, not super poor, but just like a normal family.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, but. Yeah, related to.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, well, they had millions in the bank. Millions of dollars in the bank. And so you also have to know about Marina. Marina is a little bit of a part of this whole.

[Heidi Love]

You know how that. You know how the Marina Oswald ended up staying with them. It was set up by another Nazi over dinner. There was another Nazi. I'd have to go back and find the name. It was probably set up through Dornberger, but there was this another paperclip Nazi who said to the pains, you guys need to go out to dinner with the Oswalds. After that, there was some deal worked out where the pain said, you can stay with us. And Oswald went to New Orleans, I think, during this time. But, yeah, it was. It was Nazis that set this whole thing up. Right. So I think it was like, well, the paperclip.

[Tim Constantine]

She is. Well, Marina's dad is a Russian army intel officer. And so, you know, that goes along with it. Then at a dinner, they introduced Lee and Marina to George Demorensfield. And he's a big critical part of all of this. So do you know about George de Morensfield? He. He was actually. He's a kind of big deal in a. In a big part of this. So he is running, like, a Russian high society, white society, like, deal. And. And he was a petroleum geologist and anti communism. Anytime you hear that, like, have your ears turned on. Political refugee. He ran a white, affluent Russian group. And he was actually. That's what his. What his outside was supposed to look like. But actually he was a KGB first chief. And everybody says that he was the handler of Oswald. And they met at a dinner party. They were introduced to Marina and Lee. And so it's kind of strange that. That he just gets brought into it even Though, he's kgb. Right.

[Heidi Love]

Wait, so. So your research shows that this KGB guy set up that dinner that they.

[Tim Constantine]

They. The. The pain. Set it up to meet him, to introduce him.

[Heidi Love]

Okay. Okay.

[Tim Constantine]

But it could have been opposite. Maybe they just met at dinner.

[Heidi Love]

Well, I think. I think too here we are talking about a double agent. So I. I don't know that Oswald was working directly for the Nazis. I just think later he ended up being manipulated by them, especially the aerospace Nazis.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, well, and I think that you're right. I think that he thought that he was going to have a certain kind.

[Heidi Love]

Of, you know, he may have been Russian. He may have. He. He totally may have been Russian intelligence for a little while. For sure.

[Tim Constantine]

For a little while. But he may have just been a double agent, which, you know, he worked at William Riley Coffee, and William Riley Coffee is still in existence to this day in New Orleans, like you mentioned. And then he quits and he says, I'm gonna go work for NASA. Okay. This is why. I think that it has more to do with being a double agent and a shield. Like a whole SHIELD setup. Because do you know that everybody at the William Riley Coffee Company, not just Lee Harvey Oswald, that he never got the job because of everything that happened, but all of those people that work there went to work for NASA. They're coffee people. They make coffee. What? Like, they all went to work at NASA. So that tells me it was a CIA front operation. Like, there's no way. Just like the church. Which is why I put that first. Because I'm like, okay, if we're going to talk about people that, what, they just got lucky and became like, what, a scientist? No, that's weird.

[Heidi Love]

This is how they do things. Like, even in the. In the RFK assassination, when you look at all the people who are in the room with him when he was shot, there were guys there who were engineers at aerospace companies, but in their off time, they were volunteer cops. And they went and got their little permit or whatever to be a volunteer cop so that the CIA could set them in the room for that assassination. You know what? You know?

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

They weren't police. They were something else. They were like aerospace hitman. But that's just how they do. They. They do these front churches and front coffee shops and all this stuff they do.

[Tim Constantine]

Like little fake. And we're gonna get into that when we hit the Mormons. There is a front company on that one, just like Paramindex is a front company. And. And so we're going to get into all that too, but you're right. They do this kind of stuff. But I almost forgot this lady, and she is extremely important in this whole story. So guess who this is. She is Ruth Payne, the mother. Okay, Not. Not the other one. This is her best friend. And guess who her best friend is. Let me tell you all about her best friend, because her best friend is. Clay. No. Alan Dulles. Girlfriend. Long time mistress. And her name. Yes. Is. I have it written down here. And it. It cracked me up because I was like, what on earth? Mary Bancroft. And it's been Alan Dulles's mistress forever. And it's Ruth. Ruth Payne, the mom, not the wife. Because it's confusing because they both have the same damn name. Anyway, the. The elder Ruth, it is her best friend. And so what is going on that all of these people think about? Poor Lee Harvey Oswald? Okay, first of all, no wonder he said, said I'm the patsy like you. Everybody in his world at that point, everybody he was around were either part of the CIA or part of the nine, or part of some experiment or something, right? And so you have to be talking about, like, people that literally hate JFK because Alan Dulles had been fired by now. Okay? So if for people that don't know, in the Bay of Pigs, after it was over, JFK kind of swallowed that hard. But then he fired Alan Dulles and he made the CIA dole.

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[Heidi Love]

He would help older Ruth in in court hearings. He would change the subject and stuff for her so that they wouldn't get into certain topics because of this tie that you just laid out. His mistress is the best friend. So she's. She. You're right. Like this. This pain household. And it blows my mind that this is not A. A aspect that has been studied much by any jfk. Some have looked into it, but, like, the majority of JFK researchers that I've heard, they, they don't really go into this pain household. But, like, when you look into it at. And you, and you. You study it like it's a glass house, and you look at everybody involved, they are very much, like you said, intertwined with CIA. But, like, again, this guy Payne, Mr. Payne, his boss is Dornberger, who is. I can't. I mean, this is key. Like, I, I, I can't say how significant this is. Like, oh, yeah, that last show we did together, I put up an Instagram reel. There's a picture I showed in the reel of the Paperclip Nazis. Dornberger is standing right next to von Braun. They were best friends, and I think.

[Tim Constantine]

I, I hope I put it in here. I have a picture of them, too.

[Heidi Love]

It's crazy how connected this family is to former Michael Payne.

[Tim Constantine]

Michael Payne's boss, right here. And there's the Dornberger shown here with Himmler.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, with him.

[Tim Constantine]

They're, like, right there.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah. So in. In 42, 41 or 42, Dornberger was giving speeches in Nazi Germany about space travel. So he was, you know, he was a very. I don't want to call him a brilliant scientist because he was a Nazi, but you see what I'm saying? He was. He was on top of his science stuff, and he was. He was. Was completing rockets so fast, he was building them so fast, that Hitler publicly apologized to Dornberger and said, I'm sorry I ever doubted your work, because he was so efficient. So this guy was like the Jack Parsons of Nazi Germany.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and he. And they even say, like this. This picture is two weeks before JFK is killed. And you have to understand the war to understand how much Nazi Germany hated the Russians. Okay.

[Heidi Love]

Absolutely.

[Tim Constantine]

The Russians are the reason why World War II ended, not America. I'm sorry. And. And a lot of people don't know that. You know, a lot of the Russians kind of get screwed. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

What happens is people. Because people. We know that. That the Nazis hated Jews, but that overshadows the fact that they really hated Russians as well.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, because they made them lose the war, and so. And they killed more Russians than Jews, and I.

[Heidi Love]

Exactly. Exactly. They did.

[Tim Constantine]

And it's a number, really. Conspiratorial or whatever. But it. It's. It's not. It's history. It's. There's a difference when we speak about conspiracies and what our thoughts are versus facts. And so far tonight, we've just given stone cold facts with photos because we haven't said what we think at all yet. So. And, and you know, I obviously have my thoughts on it. I'm sure you do, too. I have two different directions, though, and it's kind of hard. But von Braun even said that Dornberger had to come, like you said. But I found this little gem when I was going through things and I laughed so bad because I was like the Mormons. They always show their little faces. So also, just so you guys know, Werner von Braun was in a Mormon theological film which no other people were in except for Mormons. No other people. So this is going to open up a whole discussion with me and Tim after I go through these slides because they're almost done and I'm telling you guys, I was telling him before we rolled what I think, and it's weird. So we'll leave it at facts right now because.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, can I lay, can I just go back to something you said and lay out something real quick when it, when it comes to this Russian thing? You're absolutely right. I'm with you. Like, we're just, we're, we're trying to take as historical of an approach as possible here. And what's happening in the background here is that thousands of Nazi scientists like Dornberger were brought over and they were given positions within our space program, within NASA and other various aerospace programs. It was a silent invasion. That's. Yes, you can kind of prove that. But it goes, but it goes back to von Braun and Doernberger. These two are major players. Just the fact that Doernberger is, is connected to the pain is super significant. But they, they helped Dornberger and von Braun early on, before the war was even over. They were talking to the Americans working out deals because they saw which way the war was going. Right.

[Tim Constantine]

They had to figure out where they wanted to be. Yes.

[Heidi Love]

So I, I was, I've always thought that that was super wild because von Braun, as early as 1944, was secretly talking to the Americans. He was going through General Electric to do that, which I always thought was an interesting connection, but right there beside him, you know, the British did an interview where they bugged Dornberger and they got Dornberger to say on record that, yes, von Braun was talking to the Americans working out a plea deal, working out a deal for him to come work for them after the war as, as he's an active Nazi. And we were giving Him a deal. So that's what they did with these guys. I just wanted to lay it out. And they did not like Russians.

[Tim Constantine]

Peter. Peter Lavenda is where a lot of this information comes from. Not all of it. Okay, they're the dark journalist, Peter Lavenda. There's a couple other books I went through, but those two people that. The books. I'm okay with saying their books, but those two people that have put it in a lot of their work, like I like to say, like that came from them. And then, of course, CIA Voya docs, which the Nine was in as well. But we have to give credit where credit is due. And Lavenda has laid all of this out. And, you know, that book is hard to find now. It's called Sinister Forces. It's all about the Nine, and you can't hardly find it. And if you do, it's a hundred bucks.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Shout out, dark journalists. Shout out Peter Lavenda and Peter Lavender. I've heard him tell a story before. He. When we talk about this church connection, these. These CIA church fronts, Peter, that's the.

[Tim Constantine]

Only person I've ever seen go over that.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Well, he actually started a church when he was young, and it was, you.

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[Heidi Love]

He was. He didn't believe in the Vietnam War. He didn't want to go fight that war, and good for him. So he started a church with his friend, and it was like an Orthodox church of some sort. So he got involved in New York in this Orthodox, and he knew all of them.

[Tim Constantine]

He knew all of those. Those people. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

So he saw firsthand what was happening in the orthodox churches of New York and beyond New Jersey as well. They were. We've already talked about this, right? But the CIA were given promising These guys like prominent political positions. So he, I just shout out to him, right, because he, he saw it firsthand and brought this knowledge forth.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and, and he's, you know, he, you know, Demor and shield, the guy I showed you. So just to kind of sweep that under too, like to finish that guy up. He killed himself as soon as Garrison requested an interview with him. So two weeks after Garrison's report hit the news, he killed himself. And then you see things, yeah and then you see things like this where you know, this was a CIA FOIA doc. This if you look at the bottom, these are CIA FOIA docs. All of this stuff really happened where Tim is talking about them protecting. It happened through the churches, it happened through the three letter agencies. This is how it happened. And the problem is they didn't just people think of project Paperclip and they just think, oh well, it was just Nazi scientists. No, it wasn't. It was thousands of people. And on top of that it was thousands of rail cars full of everything. They had to bring everything with them. They had to. It was part of their deal. If they didn't bring their, they didn't get to come. And actually we kind of know that they drug their feet a bit because one thing is sure, we didn't make it to space first. Like who did? The Russians, right, with Sputnik. And so you know, and I know that they had free reign. They had mailboxes, they could write letters. They were communicating still. And these are sneaky down people. We're talking about Nazis people. We're not talking about regular people. So yeah, I think they, they leaked it. And I think that you know when that happened because do you know, you know about the bomb that went and bombed Mexico? Do you know about this? No, no, they're dumb asses. They did it on purpose. We act America accidentally bombed Mexico. This is real. I should have wrote down the name of it. I've heard actually it happened because of the Project Paperclip Nazis. They, they programmed it to not go where it was supposed to go. And it really pissed Mexico off.

[Heidi Love]

They probably wanted some sort of a war to pop off because of it.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, I think they were unhappy where they were. That's why Russian got to space first. Like there's only one way that happens is if they're dragging their feet. So they're dragging their feet, then this whole bomb goes off in Mexico and America's really got to kiss some ass. Like really?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

And so after that happens, I think they were given an ultimatum like, you better get your. Together, you know, like. Or you're gonna go. Because, like, they were sick of it. And that was supposedly when we made it. You know where.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. And you know, it. It's funny, you go back and you see this is madness, right? This, this scene that you're depicting, like, how did we get to this point as a country? And what happened was, I think ultimately, and this is what I want to tell people, because I don't see this being talked about a lot, especially not in mainstream media. Americans, at the end of the war, we sent some of our top scientists over there and we had some CIA guys with them, I think, as well. But they went over to Nazi Germany and. And saw the setup, right? They saw guys like Ham's Camel, who was building all these tunnels under the. Under a big castle. And he had a huge scientific. You know, just a warehouse, just a. Just a total rig going on there. And he, Kamler and some of these other Nazis had set up this military industrial spec, and they were carrying it out through the Third Reich. Our. Our American investigators and scientists who saw this, they came back and told Washington D.C. we need this now. We needed this yesterday. So that's how we got the military industrial complex. We got it from the Nazis.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and let's not forget we've got Ruth Payne, who, by the way, I watched her biography and a whole bunch of stuff on her. She is such a freaking weirdo. Like, I'm telling you guys, if I had to believe her and, and her idea of things, I. There'd be no way, because look at this woman's face. Just take a good freaking look, people. This is the crustiest lady I've ever seen. She's got the resting face for sure. Would you go pack up your baby? And you know Marina, later, she came out because remember one thing, they only interviewed Marina through her because nobody else spoke Russian. I don't know why they couldn't go find another CIA agent that spoke Russian and talk directly to Marina. But eventually the FBI gets a hold of her and you know what they say? Don't talk to her. She's CIA. So they yank her out of there. And after this all pops off, she's never seen again by Ruth Payne. And they ask her about it and she kind of trips over. So it's really funny because she's old, but like. So she's sharp as attack, though. Don't even play. She still says the same at perfect order, everything. But you know what? People say stuff to her about her and I'm like, here's the thing. Everybody else got whacked. Like, wouldn't you just recite the same damn thing, too? If everybody else is getting whacked, like, they can't even open their car door. They're having a heart attack.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah. And two, that. That connection with Dulles is. Is major. Like, he. He was a major player. He was a CIA. He was. He'd been in the oss. He was an og.

[Tim Constantine]

He was og him and his brother were the ones that made the CIA. So when Kennedy fired him, and actually, what Kennedy did, I wanted to bring this up, splinter it into, like, a thousand pieces. But also people say, oh, he might have said that. He might not have. But guess what he did do? He went and saw action for the CIA, memorandums 55, 56, and 57, eliminating the CIA's power to wage war. Then he fired Alan Dulles. That's a statement, whether he said the splintering or not. Right.

[Heidi Love]

And. And the Dulles brothers were over a bank that financed the Nazis. So, yeah, when Kennedy fired Alan Dulles, the head of the CIA, who's in bed with all these, you know, sketchy people. And the.

[Tim Constantine]

Those are fighting words.

[Heidi Love]

Those are fight words. That. That was. That was Kennedy making a new and probably forever enemy and Dollars wanted back in the CIA. So it was war. It was on.

[Tim Constantine]

He was running the CIA from a different place. Do you know, he still went to. They had, like, a country club for the CIA, and he still showed up there, and he didn't give a. And he was still running stuff from his house. People were. People were saying, like, he's still running things. And they were trying to clean house, but they couldn't do it fast enough. You know, these guys were.

[Heidi Love]

These guys were absolute gangsters. They were executing leaders in Vietnam, trying to start that war. In fact, a few weeks before Kennedy died, they killed two of these brothers who are major leaders in Vietnam. JFK was appalled by the whole thing because he didn't want any of this stuff to escalate. He did not want a Vietnam war.

[Tim Constantine]

I think, honestly, 77 people. When he asked for the head count of how many people we had lost at that time, what you're talking about, there was only 77 lives lost. And he said that was too many. Could you imagine what he would have thought later?

[Heidi Love]

Because you have another reason why they killed him. So they could have their war in Vietnam, I think.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, then money. The money all these companies were going to get into with Permandex. Like, people say, well, okay, Then it was probably these people. But hold on. The why is still matters because the why is why do they care? And it's always about money. Especially with Roy Cone. Especially with Roy.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. And, you know, with the CIA and this Vietnam thing. Like, they knocked out mlk, who spoke out about the Vietnam as well. But, like, beyond that, I think some of this had to do with the opium trade because.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, that.

[Heidi Love]

That Vietnam War opened up channels for them to get opium all they were packing.

[Tim Constantine]

They were packing the bodies full of heroin.

[Heidi Love]

And so, like, even in modern times, it's like people are like, why is there this. This constant connection with the CI and drug trafficking? It's because they've just been doing this for a long time. You know, I don't know if you ever saw that movie American Gangster, but I, I love that movie. It's one of my top, top 10 movies. They show in that movie, and I think this is accurate. They show how the coffins are coming over with our dead soldiers. And they're.

[Tim Constantine]

They're.

[Heidi Love]

They're lying.

[Tim Constantine]

Of heroin.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, they've got, They've got heroin stashed in the coffins. This stuff is really happening.

[Tim Constantine]

I know one thing, and he's.

[Heidi Love]

And the dullest.

[Tim Constantine]

I will say it. My uncle was a pilot and in the. In the Air Force. And I know that that happened. I don't know who, where, what, why, but I know that part happened.

[Heidi Love]

I got a. I got a mental picture of your. You say this was your uncle.

[Tim Constantine]

He was my uncle.

[Heidi Love]

What's that. What's that Tom Cruise movie he. Where he's a pilot. He's. And he's running drugs. That's what I thought about with the aviators on.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My family was cr. They were so crazy. I mean. But also, I want to say two more things about, about the seance people before I minimize and we do and we talk shop about some real. That popped off from this is Michael Payne also had connections to the United Fruit Company. Now, I don't know if you've ever done.

[Heidi Love]

I know everything about that.

[Tim Constantine]

I have United Fruit ties to the Mormons 110%. And so it is the key, like to. To the Mormons part of this. Because remember how the one guy talked about selling your soul for the people that have Coca Cola. Do you remember this talk?

[Heidi Love]

No.

[Tim Constantine]

He made a poem about it. And this guy was talking about how they sold out for Coca Cola bosses, and that used to be the Mormons. And so. And there's more than that. There's Lots of things that tie them to it. But also, we have to mention one more thing about Little Miss Ruth before I minimize this down.

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[Tim Constantine]

She's the one that got Lee Harvey Oswald the job at the Texas School Depository. But do you know who that was owned by?

[Heidi Love]

By Bird. It was owned by a bird who was company.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, yeah, Bird, like Antarctica Bird. His cousin. And I was like, what? On, like, okay, Heidi, that's what.

[Heidi Love]

That's what I was talking about last episode when I said, this is. There's an. A huge aerospace presence here. It's everywhere you look.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes, yes. And I knew that it. It went in. I had to organize my brain on it because I was like, how do I bring this up with the Permanentex? But I realized I couldn't. So that's why we're doing another one. Because I was like, you know what? It's just going to be too hard. But also, you're not wrong. Now, I didn't know about the Aerospace Airship Club, the gentleman club there. And I didn't know about this. The 1001 Club. Do you know about this?

[Heidi Love]

No. What about it?

[Tim Constantine]

Well, this 1001 club has a big part to do with, like, all the different, like, memberships being hidden. But this goes into national parks. We gotta do a whole episode on the 1001 Club.

[Heidi Love]

Okay.

[Tim Constantine]

It. It is crazy, and it hides a lot of things, and they hide behind save the planet type national parks.

[Heidi Love]

Well, I've got. I've got a connection, too, with United Fruit, if you want to hear about it.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, I love that. Let. Let's do that. I. I think I've got everything on here until we pop off to the X Files.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. So this is. This is just something Short and because. And I think it might tie in a little bit. It's in the same time period as the nine and because, you know, two of the dates I saw were 1953 and 1954.

[Tim Constantine]

And then they get. So then Puharovich, he does get back in the scene of things and really takes off with like Stranger things stuff and he starts doing with kids and space kids and weirdo stuff in the 70s. He gets real crazy up.

[Heidi Love]

This is all happening in the Eisenhower years. And Eisenhower and the Dolus brothers undertook a small little private war called the Guatemala coup of 1954. And it's all centers around United Fruit Co. Because the Dulles brothers and Eisenhower, our President Eisenhower had stock in United Fruit Company. And so when that whole coup of Guatemala was to give United Fruit Company more land and to keep it from going under so they could continue to profit from it. So, and, and honestly too, a banana republic, it was another, it was, it was, it was making them money, yes, off of the fruit and the produce and all that. But it was another one of these CIA stronghold fronts as well. So it gave them a stronghold in, in that area of South America. So I just thought that that was interesting that I think it's even important.

[Tim Constantine]

Tied in to tell people that is literally where the term banana republic comes from. Is that it? From United Fruit Company? And there are so many people that are so damn crooked involved in that one. Same thing with the 1001 Club.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, well, I'll wrote that. I wrote that down. So we'll, we'll, I'll look into that. But here's a big takeaway. I think this might segue us into UFOs. The CIA, you know, they had, they had power big time. They had a guy named Richard Bissell. Eisenhower put him over Area 51 in some capacity. But Bissell planned assassinations with the mob. He did mind control with the CIA. And, and it was like guys like Bissell who knew how to plan and execute or execute assassinations. Right. And, and use mind control in the process. So I think, I think we see that happening a lot in the background. But this guy had a lot of info on UFO as well. Bissell did.

[Tim Constantine]

If you look up your. Okay, it's PUH A R I C H. This guy. Look up his patents. Just his patents, okay? It's the funnest freaking people want to say we aren't talking to aliens. His patents. He has an automobile that runs with water, you guys. He has, he has some crazy. Guess what my favorite one is. And this Goes back to Lee Harvey Oswald if he did it. But I don't think he did it. But this will totally tie into Sirhan Sirhan. A laser that can manipulate somebody from far, far away mentally. They can. A mind altering laser beam. What? I think they activated that in 2020. For real?

[Heidi Love]

Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. This is the mushroom guy, right?

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

His name is. What's his last name again?

[Tim Constantine]

Pew P U H A R I C H Puhara Rich, I think. Okay. But he. His just. I was gonna include a copy of it on here, and I should have. I was in a hurry, but I wanted to do a snapshot of just his holdings on his patents. When he died, there were over 75 that were like in limbo. There were like a bunch of other ones and I was like reading them and I'm like, okay, listen, we went and got the microwave out of freaking nowhere right after Roswell. Oh, yeah, it's always that, right? Like we go from. It's like the Nazis. It's what you said about the castle thing. Like they did this weirdo stuff and then all of a sudden they have jets and stuff. Like what? You know, like it's just like L. Ron Hubbard and Parsons out and. And they knocked his little ass off too. And, you know, I. I don't think he blew himself up. Sorry.

[Heidi Love]

Well, that's where they were. That's where they were working on the bell. The Nazi bell was in some of those tunnels down there that Ham's Candler was working on. But yeah, a lot of this technology just strangely emerges in 1947. I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you look in the research of Linda Moulton Howe. She went and did extensive research into Bell Labs and she found that the fiber optics and circuitry technology.

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[Heidi Love]

Certified operate by chef emerges in labs with these back military back channels overnight. Right after Roswell. It's like they literally were dragging stuff in from the desert. Whatever happened out there and they were testing it and they were coming up with all this. They were finding new technologies out of this material. That's her. That's her thesis. That's her tie in. But either way, the point is, is like whether aliens or not, something in 47 happened that opened up a doorway for us in to step into a more highly technical world.

[Tim Constantine]

I definitely 110 agree and I think that there's been multiple things over the multiple years like this seance. Right. Obviously, I think, okay, this is what Steiner says and this is what I was telling you about the eighth dimension. The eighth dimension is kind of like, like a, an outer world. I'm not a sign. I'm not a Steiner person. Like I don't know all the things about Steiner. I just did a gloss over, so don't come at me, guys.

[Heidi Love]

Well, I can break it down. I know what it is, is.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, okay, so you get what I'm saying? Like, as far as what he's talking about, when I read that Tim, I went, this is Mormonism because that is outer darkness. Outer darkness is the disconnect. And you're just all alone without any God or anybody or anything. All alone. And then there's a, a top heaven, a middle heaven, a lower heaven. When I read it, I was like, oh my gosh, I think Joseph Smith must have read this. Yeah, but I mean, it's probably not the same same, but like it must be something with Kabbalah is my guess. But I'm just saying.

[Heidi Love]

Well, there's a common thread between. There's a common thread between Christianity, the Bible, the, the divine Council of Deuteronomy 32 or whatever it is. And, and what, and, and some of the stuff you find in, I think Mormonism and then also in what Steiner was talking about. He's coming from it, from a sort of like an occultist angle. But, but yeah, he had this idea of the, a sphere within that he found that there was like a web of entities that were kind of like intervening in earth matters. And there was one in particular called Aramon, I think the Aramon. And he said the Aramon was working towards. It's what we just talked about with this technology breaking into our timeline. Essentially this Aramon figure that Steiner talked about was going to feed us little pieces of information so our, our technology would advance and so that the Ahriman could eventually come through that technology and interact with us and like, kind of control us. So the idea that Steiner was actually predictively making, because remember, Steiner died in 1923. He had no idea what was coming with the Internet and stuff like that. But he was describing that. He's describing that humanity is going to be given something like the Internet and something like AI. So this being can manifest through that.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and I. I really believe, like, and this is why I always tell people, because people are like, oh, you might think he just lied Joseph Smith, or you might think he just did Wacky Mushrooms. No, I think what happened was the same thing, what you're saying. And I think that it's like fallen Nephilim spirits a lot of times. Because the one thing I do know when, when they're talking about, like in Kabbalah or whatever is the lowest level, okay? The lowest level beings you can contact first. And he talks a lot about Jupiter. He talks. He. You've got to read it sometime when you get really bored. Like, try and look at some of the crazy stuff he says at the first and you'll be like, he talked to the same thing. And then we get little quotes. And this is why I was telling you. I think there was a switch. You know, right after the church reorganized and everything. We have this guy named Heber C. Kimball, and he's an early leader in the church, okay? And in 1858, he says this quote. The Masonry of today is received from apostasy, but we have the true Masonry because we hold the keys. Now. They're always talking about these keys, okay? The priesthood keys. The priesthood keys. And everybody always asks me, like, even when I was a Mormon, what, what are the priesthood keys? And they kind of give you this wishy washy answer, like, oh, well, it's just like, you're right to give blessings to your family and stuff. No, no, this goes back to Solomon's Temple. We get really ancient with this. But here's the thing. I truly believe that at some point the, the Mormon Church and I, I kind of know who did it. I think it was under George A. Smith because he ended up on Time magazine and he was like a Harvard graduate and a Rotarian and like, all these fancy things that he shouldn't be because Mormons aren't really supposed to back then. This is old, you know, they're not supposed to be all chummy chummy with like, Catholics or anything else. So why would he be part of the Rotary Club? Why would they be part of school and bones. Why would they be doing all these things? And this is early on in the church history. Like, I think he was 19. He's during the war with the Nazis. So, like, there was a change in between. There was two presidents. So I'm just saying, like, first of all, The Mormon Church 100% sent aid to Germany. Not to other. To Germany, Nazi Germany. They sent them aid. So when you look at that, that would be like an act of war for anyone else. Okay. But they got away with it, right? They get away with it. They're constantly talking about the keys. They're constantly making little. Little slide. Okay. Of hand things. Like, they just opened their temple down the street from the Vatican. That has never been done before. And always the Vatican has been like, go f your mother. We're not giving you any land. Like, no, you're not doing it. But they did it. And it's been quite a. It's been over five years now. And they just kind of kept it quiet.

[Heidi Love]

And there's this picture that's like a new Jerusalem type concept where you have. You have. You know, so you have Jerusalem, which is a religious center. Obviously there's three main religions represented there. But now you're seeing this little mock Jerusalem sprung up in the Vatican, where now these. They're letting, like, Mormonism in. They're going to have, like. Like a. A place where people from different religions can come and, like, worship. Isn't that strange? In some ways it isn't.

[Tim Constantine]

You want to know why? Do you want to know my opinion? Sure. I think that we have to have one thing that unites everyone. I want to show you this picture. Can you see it, old guy?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, I see him.

[Tim Constantine]

Okay, well, this is the prophet of the church, the prophet, seer and revelator when they opened the temple in Italy down the street from the Vatican. But do you see what he's holding?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, it's a key.

[Tim Constantine]

Holding the key. And it's Peter's key to the church. And look at how he's holding it. Do you know about Masonic grips?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, I see that. Yeah. Not an expert on.

[Tim Constantine]

It's not perfect because it's not a hand, it's a key. But I know enough to know that that for me, I was like, like, oh, he's telling a little story right there. Right. And so when I seen that, I was thinking to myself, okay, what could you have? Because the Mormons are really involved in. In the United Nations, One world, everything, all of it. They. They love all that they'll say they don't, but they do. Some of them say they do, some of them will admit it. But here's the thing that I know that, that Masonry does. They say, you just can't be an atheist. One nation under Masonry, one world under Masonry. If they just go that route, like you said, where they can all worship whatever it is they worship. And they don't have to be like, you know, no, you can't come. You know, that is a way to bring it all together. Like think about that. They're all Masons and, and our church. Well, I say our, it's not my church anymore, but I just always say that.

[Heidi Love]

But in the background you've got all this channeling too. So it goes back to like it. You said you, you were talking about this concept of lower level beings and you kind of, you kind of talk to them and then, then you get access to another higher panel. Right?

[Tim Constantine]

Believe in the pre existence. And do you know what the Mormons call their God? The Elohim.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, that's what Steiner called.

[Tim Constantine]

That's not one God. That's right, God.

[Heidi Love]

It's God panel. And that's what Steiner was talking about 100.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes. When I read it, I was like, oh, I recognize a lot of this. But that's what they say their God is. And they talk about having their own planet, just like Scientology. And they talk about all this stuff and being your own God, like becoming God, you that will be elevated to godhood and blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, well, the one thing I know about the occult, and the occult will tell you this, and this is why they do what they do. They will tell you that ceremonies and ceremonial magic, hence why they even freaking do it, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time. It matters in the ether. It doesn't just matter here. It matters in the ether. And Mormons constantly at the temple are doing ceremonial magic. They may not know that, but I know that because I've done it. And so when you're talking about these things and how they make a difference in the ethers, I truly believe they are contacting things. And I'm gonna tell you a little. Another dig. And I told you before we started, the Marriotts, the whole chain is owned by Mormons. The Marriotts are a very affluent Mormon family. And I told Tim right before we came on, I said, guess what the, the Marriott hotel's name is in Hawaii. And he said, what? And I said, Kona Blue.

[Heidi Love]

Wow.

[Tim Constantine]

And if you guys don't know what that means, it's a big deal. It's basically a nod to aliens.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

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[Heidi Love]

Say UFO connection. For sure. Yeah. You know that that whole concept with the ether thing is very interesting because I think Steiner, in so many words or less, was actually describing the same thing. But it's also the story of Isis. In ancient Egypt, she was like the first alchemist. She was doing magic and she opened up some sort of a doorway and was able to talk to a lower level angel. They had. They had a conversation and that angel could not answer Isis and give her the information she needed. So he called on a higher angel who came down and that's how she. She got clued into the mysteries. That's how she became this great alchemist.

[Tim Constantine]

How is it that all the mystery schools still survive? Tim, where are they? Answer me that. We started this show off with it.

[Heidi Love]

It's an eth. Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

It's the church. It's the churches. The churches are also corrupt. And this is why I truly believe when we think about the scriptures and it says what the Scarlet of Babylon. Right. I think it's religion. I do. I do. Because it took what God made and corrupted it and made it dirty. It talks all about if you really look at it with a different eye and you look at that and say, what is the one thing that really would be horrible corruption. Right? To God. It's telling you that you have to go through a man or another person or pay so much money or whatever you have to do to talk to God. That isn't what he said. That's not what he said. You know, that's a good.

[Heidi Love]

That's a cool take on. On the War of Babylon. That's a very interesting. And that. That comes into play in Revelation too, if I'm not mistaken.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes, yes. And, and they'll all drink from her cup and think about, think about the Eucharist. Read this scripture again and think about like, like the cup and the Eucharist and, and so what, what they've done is they've literally perverted everything, even down to, you know, I'll drink the cup for you. Like the pain and suffering that Jesus went through, they've changed with the Mandela effect. And I know this, it sounds crazy, but I'm sorry. The lion and the lamb laying together. The lion is, is Judah. Like the lion is representative of something where the wolf is not the same thing. It may represent something, but it's not the same something.

[Heidi Love]

You know, think about so different symbolically.

[Tim Constantine]

And so it changed the meaning of the word. So I know when I was young, and I'm sure when you were young, I was always told they're going to come for our Bibles, right? And that, you know, they're going to come and cut our head off one day or something because of that. And that's fine, whatever. But like, I don't think they're going to come for the Bibles that way. I think they're going to change them spiritually.

[Heidi Love]

There's something that's happening. Something is happening there, especially with that verse lion and the Lamb. Because everybody remembers that. Preachers. I've told you my story. I was two years ago, I was in church and the pastor used it in a sermon and we all had our Bibles open. He had his Bible open. And I don't know, I think it's just so ingrained in his mind that that's what it is that he wasn't paying attention. But you know, this was a pastor who is not, not a pastor who does like the self help kind of sermons. This is somebody who preaches out of the Word who they. Because they've been in it for 40 years. So if it's fooling these guys, something changed.

[Tim Constantine]

I feel something is changing. Well, and I think it has to do with cern and I think CERN has, we've talked about that and I think CERN has a lot to do with a lot of things. But like, even if you can't prove it, like, like, I'm sorry, like the. Okay, the angel of death that came to kill all the firstborns, right? That never happened now.

[Heidi Love]

Right.

[Tim Constantine]

God killed him.

[Heidi Love]

That's crazy.

[Tim Constantine]

So shout out Kerwin.

[Heidi Love]

Shout out John Kerwin in Revelation when it talks about the of Babylon. I don't think it's too many verses later where it talks about Abaddon or Apollo. They're. They're interchangeably. One's Roman, one's Greek. Greek. But CERN sits on an old temple to Apollo.

[Tim Constantine]

Read it again with your eyes. The way, like now, hearing that and. And knowing what we know about just this situation, we're just talking about JFK and how they infiltrated through churches, and just knowing what you've heard from me about my church, my old church, you know, the Mormons and. And what you've heard about this situation with JFK and all these things, even spirituality. They're doing it. Through everything, they're doing it. They're using even aliens, like, they're using all of it.

[Heidi Love]

They're using that verse. What if that's what that passage is? I'm gonna have to go back through and look at it.

[Tim Constantine]

It's.

[Heidi Love]

Why, if that passage is referring to the Bible being changed or it. Like what you're saying, like, Babylon is religion, and then it talks about Abaddon, where the gates, the pits of hell, are going to open up. Because I think it might be talking about CERN there. What if it's. What if that's what it's laying out?

[Tim Constantine]

I mean, I want to be careful.

[Heidi Love]

Because I need to look at it again.

[Tim Constantine]

And we're just bouncing right now. But here's the thing. I know this. I know that Joseph Smith, he talked to something. And I. I know this because I heard a story one day. I was just listening to podcasts on the Congressionals or con. No confessionals. That's right. I don't want to misquote their show. And they had a guy on, and he was talking about speaking in the woods to a frog that turned into a man. And I immediately whipped my head around and turned it on pause. I was like, holy cow. Because I didn't have my phone right with me, because I had my earphone in. I went to go find my phone, I rewound it, and I was like, did he just say he talked to a frog that turned into a man? Because that is the. The same thing that Joseph Smith said and Joseph didn't. I think this. This is new for you guys. This is really esoteric, but it won't be new for Tim, probably. But there is a book called the Mage, and it talks about the Aber Melon and. And so the Abermelon Ritual. I truly believe that Joseph Smith did it because there was a cave where they were doing things by candlelight and spooky Stuff. And there was like bones in there. All kinds of weird stuff.

[Heidi Love]

Stuff.

[Tim Constantine]

And I'm telling you guys, I think he did the Abermelon ritual.

[Heidi Love]

But there's a Probably book, right?

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, I don't think it. The Mages, but.

[Heidi Love]

No, no, I mean, too. No, I mean, like, it was. It was a book. I should have said that differently.

[Tim Constantine]

It's small.

[Heidi Love]

It's one of the books that he liked to use, right?

[Tim Constantine]

Yes. And here's the thing. He called Joseph Smith. Crowley himself, who never met Joseph Smith, because they're. He was already dead and he called Joseph Smith a moon child. And I think what happened was Joseph Smith did that wrong. And people that do that, because I've done a whole bunch of research on it. People that actively participate in certain magic will tell you, if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it. Because you could really screw your life up. And you're supposed to seal off the negative spirits when you do this. And then like attach to your angel. But he started going by in his notes, in like. Like when he would write to like, secret people, like a secret note, whatever. He started going by Barack A L, B, A R, U, K, A, L, E. Like an angel. But it's also not an angel. In another. Like, I think it's in Jewish mysticism where it is actually like a demon of lust. And what happened with Joseph Smith, they told him, by the tip of a sword, you will do polygamy and polyamory. And what is that spirit? Oh, the spirit of lust. It's a little too pinky for me. You know, did he bond himself with something that he couldn't get rid of? Just like John D. And I'm telling. And then he made the Jupiter talisman to try and save his ass. And he made it wrong because I read a whole article on it and somebody. I think it was Lavinta, that's Peter Lavender, has covered Mormons. And he's like, well, at least Joseph Smith. And he's like, the reason why he died is this is wrong. This is like a bad, bad thing.

[Heidi Love]

So isn't that mage? Is. Was. Was that a book that was written about a guy who went to North Africa and ended up hanging out with this old magician who was giving him all these secrets from a, you know, from a prior era?

[Tim Constantine]

It's.

[Heidi Love]

If it's not.

[Tim Constantine]

Let me tell you who wrote it. Let me tell you. It's a tiny. It's a tiny book and it's old and it's called the book of the sacred magic of Abramellon the mage. And it was McGregor's math. Well, McGregor's Mathers translated it, right?

[Heidi Love]

Mathers translated. Mathers was the head of the os yes. Excuse me, In. In London or in England, Golden Dawn. But. But no. So I've read part of that book and it's about this guy who goes to Africa, I think north, somewhere in Northern Africa or maybe Egypt. And he ends up hanging out with this old sort of witch doctor character who teaches him all this. This old magic and stuff. It's really wild. But that's just like Martinism, huh? That's the book that crow. Yeah, exactly. That's the book that Crowley was using for his rituals that he was doing at the Bolsting House on. On Loch Ness.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes.

[Heidi Love]

And. And he just. People think, or they say they. He'd never closed or sealed off like those bad spirits like you're talking about. He, like, never closed a portal, right?

[Tim Constantine]

Same with Jack Parsons. That's right. They say that he didn't close it. And so here's the thing. It's to bind your guardian angel to you, but when you're binding things to you, and this is why I argue about the Mormon Church, because the first time you go through the temple, the very, very first time, when you get your new name and you go through for yourself, I speculate that that is kind of the way they're attaching something to us. Okay. And then they're redoing it again and again and again and again and again by proxy via death. Death. And so when you get out and you realize that, and you could have hundreds, if not thousands of spirits attached to you. And then people wonder, like, why. Wonder why Mormons are super successful, or I wonder why this. Or like, hello, maybe there's a reason for that. And these people, honest, are honestly not in knowledge of it. And it's sad to me because this kind of thing, whether it's true or not, they are. They are practicing magic and the people are unaware. And so it makes me really upset because it's one thing to be a practicing magician and accept the responsibility and say, I have no qualms. If you want to do that in your life, you knock yourself out. I'm not doing that. That's a mess for me. But like, if you want to do it, go do that. But you have to be fair and at least know what the hell you're doing.

[Heidi Love]

Heidi. It's that. It's that third, fourth generation haze. It's like the concept is if you teach a group of people how to do it, but you don't tell them that it's magic, by the time the second and third and then fourth generation of their kids rolls around, their kids are just going to repeat what their parents have done and they're not going to, they're not going to have any inclination that's based off of rights and rituals that's found.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, they changed it, it, they tried to change it to make it seem very biblical too and really tried to focus it in on the Solomon stuff. But also, here's the thing that I haven't told you since because I haven't talked to you about Mormonism forever, but I have learned we could do one on this whole mage thing and this other guy, this other magician that he linked up with. But here's the thing is Joseph Smith's family, they want to say, oh, they're from New York. If you ask anyone, they'll tell you Palmyra. Palmyra, New York. No, they weren't. His family hails from Salem, Massachusetts and his great grandpa was an accuser of witches in the Inquisition. So I'm sorry, usually the people that are like, that's the one that did it. A lot of times they're the ones that did it. Right? Like, you know me thinks you protest too much.

[Heidi Love]

I mean, you know, it's, it's a hot spot area that New England is where the spiritualist movement came out of.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, there was a mound too. He calls it the Hill Kamora instead of a mound. But I think he found some really serious things there. Just like we're talking about. I think the Mormon Church possesses something that has ensured their place in society. Because why is this weird church that's basically like a cult? I mean, they would never let Scientologists go be a freaking big part of the government. Okay, but yet Mitt Romney's there. All these other people are there, you know, like not just Mitt Romney, but like, okay, we're going to talk a lot about, you know, this whole situation with Bennett. We'll use Bennett. The Bennett's have been really involved in government and all of these people that they let in the door, why would they do that unless there's a reason? Because it's kind of a weird background and it's also hard to sell to people like, oh, they wear magic underwear. And like even the funny parts of it, like people are turned off by that basically, you know, they're like, oh, that's weird. So why are they so involved in politics? Right? Why are they so rich?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, well, you know, there's.

[Tim Constantine]

Why are they blowing up mountains?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, we had that conversation in the last episode where we kind of tapped into this, this idea that there are these high society cults and you know, money and power is just a part of it. It goes back to bloodlines and all that. Like very rich people who are, who are leaders of nations for a very long time have been part of this weird occult religion that we're not privy to. The American people and the people of the world don't know that this is going on because it's been hidden. It's been, you know, it's esoteric.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and it sounds ridiculous, right? Like, if you were to really tell people, like, you know what, all of these people have been pre picked for this by their bloodlines. Why do you think that all these people like, oh, he's in government too, and he's in government too, or he's in jet propulsion too, and he, you know, it's already predestined.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, this is exactly. That's a microcosm for what we're talking about, that saying it's something on right now. Because they're, they're rich. Rich, they're powerful, they're very connected. They're doing seances that they're channeling and they're in bed with the government and the CIA.

[Tim Constantine]

And money. Yep, all of it. Yep. And money talks. They can just slip the money. Because honestly, if you have certain knowledge, like I, I speculate this, if they have the power, how do you make.

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[Tim Constantine]

To create by harnessing energy from the things that are happening in those temples. Right? And they are grabbing it and using it to their advantage. Why do they care about money? They can make Some more they turn.

[Heidi Love]

Down money for power. I've seen that happen in multiple times. Especially when you're looking into know JFK assassination type cases. You'll see where they will try to bribe somebody. Like this is how politics works. It's like, like, like LBJ for instance. LBJ like blackmailed his way into becoming vice president. The Kennedy brothers did not want him there, but he was able to black his blackmail his way there. And then, and then you see in the LBJ administration where he doesn't want certain people around him so he offers them like a million dollar ranch in Mexico just to get him out of his hair. And sometimes those people won't take the million dollar ranch because they want the power, they want the position, they'd rather take the pay cut. So power is a big part of this.

[Tim Constantine]

I think it's a, it's a big deal that and the whole esoteric side of things. Because even Trump, like we're going to talk about with Van over and all that stuff, like all of the contacts, all of the stuff from Tesla, like all of these things that remind me exactly of Puharovich. Like he had how many patents he knew how many things about special stuff. Like we're talking about a car that runs on water. Like we're, and he, you know, it's just blown out of the, blown out of there because that, oh, we can't be doing that. The oil company.

[Heidi Love]

That's, that's exactly what I was thinking too earlier when I was talking about this weird Trump, Nixon connection because they were friends, you know, Trump, they were going to the same church. They had this Swedenborg minister. Right. There's this, they're this, in this elite circle, but behind the scenes there's this, what you're talking about, there's this weird high technology stuff that the public is not privy to that these guys know about Nixon.

[Tim Constantine]

And nobody would believe it, nobody would believe it anyway. If you told somebody, John Trump, I.

[Heidi Love]

Saw an interview with him, if I've said this before, I'm sorry, but he was, was talking about how in Tesla's files he was trying to find stuff that we could use militarily. Right. And, and, and for space, you know, whatever voyages and stuff. But he saw that there was a laser there that enabled them to take objects out of the sky. You could just aim it at something that was flying. Whatever it wasn't would bring it down. And I've often wondered, is that what happened with Roswell? Did they actually.

[Tim Constantine]

What happened with 9 11? Yeah, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Like I Mean, it's crazy what these people have, you know, access to, like, Trump. Like, I just feel like he started Space Force because behind the scenes he's got these crazy aerospace tech connections that came from Tesla and maybe his friend Nixon for sure.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and Nixon plays a big part with the Mormon Church and the Mormon Mafia and, and Bennett and all these people. And I'm just always like, why is this little dumb, random church that should have not ever mattered. Like, they ran away, they tried to leave the country, they went to Mexico and then, you know, Utah got bought back into America. So, like. But why then did they help finish the. They're running for their lives, but then they're helping finish the railroad for free and then.

[Heidi Love]

That's crazy.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah, like, that's, that's, that's. That doesn't make any sense. You know, like, you're literally saying, here I am, I'm over here. Like, you're not scared of anything then. And why are so many of them. And you wouldn't know this, but this is true. So many of the prophets of the church are friends, very good friends with the presidents of the United States. And why is my bloodline insane? And I'm not the only one. I'm not the only one. They brought royals over here for a reason. There's a reason.

[Heidi Love]

We're gonna have to do something on that eventually.

[Tim Constantine]

I've mentioned it a few times, so you're good.

[Heidi Love]

However way that you're, you know, comfortable with it.

[Tim Constantine]

I'm good. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

Okay. Yeah, well, but, like, so why did.

[Tim Constantine]

My great, great grandpa come over here and leave the house of Bourbon? And then on the other side, it's like the other really famous family people are. Antoinette and all that.

[Heidi Love]

People aren't gonna. People are not going to even believe this until we show them that it's that big. It's a huge story. Your bloodline is. You were. I don't know what happened. I. I told you. I had a theory that they started having boys and somehow that messed it up. Like, because if you're from a long line of women who were basically princesses and queens and just women of, of high power and, and responsibility. It was very rich.

[Tim Constantine]

Marie Antoinette and like all these crazy people. But then my great. The guy that came here, he's just like, peace out. Like, I'm not. I'm. And they contacted him. I found his story, and he went to South Africa first, and then he came here, and then they were like, you need to come back and rule. Like, we need you. You know, and you know what he was like? No, I'd rather be a dirt poor farmer. What?

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[Tim Constantine]

Why? Why would you do that? And so it must have been that bad. You know what I'm saying?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah. For people. I still. Yeah, I think there was probably a lot of factors. And for people listening, like, Heidi's told me all this and like, she. So finally she just sent me something one day. She showed me a family tree, and.

[Tim Constantine]

I was having a meltdown and I.

[Heidi Love]

Saw some names on there. So I was like, wow, this is crazy. These people are like history book fans, famous. So I. I looked into it, and she's absolutely right. Heidi is a part of a straight up legitimate royal bloodline. And I found that when it goes back to who's the Queen Elizabeth, Is that one of them?

[Tim Constantine]

Let's see. One of them was. Let's see. Prince Edward of Strathern. King George of Hanover, Frederick Prince of Wales. Victoria. Victoria, Queen.

[Heidi Love]

That you're related to who was famous for Marie Antoinette. Yeah. Okay, maybe it was her. But I looked back. It goes back. It's a lineage of women that were. All.

[Tim Constantine]

Right, the Medicis are like a big, huge part.

[Heidi Love]

I traced it back to the 1200s, and I would need more time with it after that because that's when that. The records start to get a little hazy.

[Tim Constantine]

Right, right.

[Heidi Love]

But. But there were. There were. There was about a line of about 10 women that were all. They were. Like, all her daughters were. Were queens. Yeah, it's. It's absolutely crazy. But, you know, we can. We can maybe do something. I think we should do something on that.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, yeah, for sure. And it was weird because, you know, what I'm saying is why would one of my.

[Heidi Love]

But why do they become Mormons? Right?

[Tim Constantine]

Why Would they just. Just say, screw this? And it wasn't that long ago. It's only like four up. You know, we're. We're back in England. Why would they just be like, peace out. Like, what. And no money. They were poor. Like, literally came here and ended up poor. So what the hell did the Mormon Church tell them to get them to do that? You know what I mean?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. And I think, too, something happened with that guy. Like, maybe it was your great grandpa or something. The one who went to South Africa and started. Yeah, he started a city in South Africa.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And there was a war going on there before that. Like with the British there. Was it. Your. Your family ties into so many historical events. It's on. It's unreal. So it's unfathomable. Like, people aren't going to believe it until we lay it out. If we.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and then I didn't send you the other. So I sent you my mom's side, but my dad's side is all the presidents. All the presidents. All the president.

[Heidi Love]

Like, United States presidents.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes.

[Heidi Love]

It's a bloodline.

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[Tim Constantine]

And Elvis. And Elvis. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

You know what? You know what? I think if we. I think if we did this show, it would be very valuable because it would show people how the bloodline thing is real.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

People in power are really part of these bloodlines. Folks. Folks. They really are.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and that's the thing. I think they were hurting, like, for lack of a better word, they were literally hurting certain people and genealogies to come here. And then. What is the Mormon Church obsessed with? Genealogy.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

I'm sorry.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. They're like the purveyors of genealogy. But I'm thinking, like, just because these files are about to be released, just to, like, recap. Right. Like Garrison says. What? He says, you know, the assassination is carried out by these people in aerospace. Obviously, we know it was covered up by the CIA. So that puts those two groups at the scene of the crime for me. And then. And then in aerospace, you have people involved who were these paperclip Nazis and they work with the CIA to. To do coups, I think, because if you look.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, Herman Decks is a coup company. That. That company is known. And we'll get into that. And also, it also explains why, like, Howard Hughes was so freaking crazy scared for his life and, like, all alone, like. And that goes into a whole nother because I told you about the Oswald.

[Heidi Love]

They were playing him like a. They were playing him like a chess piece through all this.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and it's so sad. And Sirhan Sirhan's even worse because he's still alive. But, like, some of the pictures I have of these people, like, I literally got asked on my last one because I had Nixon with Jack Ruby and who else was it? I can't run one more person. And somebody literally said to me, is this fake? I've never seen this before. I said, no, it's real. And they were like, what on earth? And I'm like, I don't know. You know, they were at some convention right before the whole thing popped off, and I was like, obviously they knew each other. Like, they're trying to play. Like they didn't, you know, and they did.

[Heidi Love]

You know what else is interesting here? LBJ helped develop NASA, so he was all in on this aerospace stuff, too. You know, we'll see. We'll see what the files show. You know, I don't know if the aerospace thing is going to be, like, front and center. I doubt it will be. I don't think when these files are released that they're just going to spell out the main players for us, but I do think that you'll see an aerospace connection there. Definitely behind the scenes, especially if you're reading between the lines. And I think you're. What you're going to see is that, like, I think this episode has shown this as well. The CIA kind of created this mythos of Oswald. They. They. It's almost like they created the perfect assassin who didn't assassinate anyone. Oh, you're muted, by the way. You're still muted. Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, there were.

[Tim Constantine]

People that were playing him and people that were, like, pretending to be him and all kinds.

[Heidi Love]

Oh, yeah, they had it. They had a whole thing set up. They had many multiple Oswalds.

[Tim Constantine]

It was Bush. Look at this. Can you see this? Prescott Bush with Nixon and Jack Ruby.

[Heidi Love]

Unreal.

[Tim Constantine]

Guys. This was at some convention, but they want to say that Ruby was just wacko and he was just a nightclub owner. What the hell is he doing there? What the hell is he doing with presidents? Right? And, like. Well, Prescott wasn't, but you get what I'm saying. He was running the CIA. So, I mean, it's just. Just too much. It's like overkill. It. It's literally over.

[Heidi Love]

Well, they. MK Ultra, Jack Ruby. In the end, they definitely did.

[Tim Constantine]

What if that's the thing with Puharich or whatever, it makes you wonder if he. He was successful with his little laser that said it could change his brain, people's brains, you know, I don't know.

[Heidi Love]

But did you. Did you find out any more stuff on that Kona Blue? Did you, like, so do you see any more connections with that?

[Tim Constantine]

I haven't seen. You know, I'll tell you this about Mormons. Even though the astrology and all the stuff that Joseph Smith did, he was super into all that. The Mormons are like, nope, nothing like that is real. None of that is real. Aliens aren't real. Like, all this stuff is not real. But then they turn around and they're all about the spiritual side. So I'm sure it's going to be a little hard to dig up, but I'm gonna be looking because. Okay, I will. I will say this. I think they are nodding. Like, there's certain things that people in power do to screw with other people, and that key in Italy was one. I think they're nodding, like, don't forget we have this. And I don't know what this is, but it makes you wonder when we get back to the Anna Nerve Society, like. Like, maybe they made good enough friends with somebody that they got their hands on something pretty damn good. You know, that's my guess, because look at. They were super good friends with Warner Von Braun. Like, what's he doing in this video, you know?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, well, he had a ufo. He has UFO connections. There was a guy named Robert.

[Tim Constantine]

But Mormons. He shouldn't be involved with Mormons. Like, that's weird. It was a private church video. Like, it's a theological video that no other people were allowed in. Why is he there?

[Heidi Love]

I don't know. Well, I mean, there's a couple people, like, rolled up in this mess with. With this secret technology and stuff that seemed like. Like Sarbach. Sarbacher. Sarbacher. Yeah. He. He worked under Eisenhower. He worked in research and development. He. He was. He knew Von Braun, and he was talking about the bodies that they recovered from the crash sites and how that they were biological robots. They weren't like aliens. They were.

[Tim Constantine]

They were.

[Heidi Love]

They were like. Yes, exactly. So it points to this being, like, an ancient form of high technology?

[Tim Constantine]

Well, it makes you wonder if that's what Elon's trying to do. Have you seen that video with him talking about how he wants to create with the neural link so that it's basically your body's just a shell and you can upgrade it anytime and all this weird stuff. And I. This is an old one. That's an old video. But it. I'm just saying, like, they're playing with something that they know what they're doing this isn't like he just thought about it one day and they're like, oh, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heidi Love]

I mean, you know, yeah, like the on and herbase society and all the rumors that they were channeling and stuff like that. All these people might be talking to the same sort of entities that are feeding them the same information. And it goes back to this. This thing that Steiner was talking about, where these entities are actively, you know, kind of manipulating humanity so that they can come down here and get more power.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, I think that's 100 true. Because if they are indeed the Nephilim, spirits that can't have bodies. Okay, they were not. Okay, we're gonna say this. They were not allowed or justified to be here because they there. It's not their parents. It's not the fallen. It's the Nephilim. So the half human, half.

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[Tim Constantine]

Certified to operate by Chef angel babies. Okay, they never had a spirit from God. So think about that scripture that says they wander in the desert searching for a place to rest, right? And so when you start looking at this from the biblical view and you start looking at it that way, and you start going, okay, and possession. What was half, if not three quarters of the Bible? It was all about deliverance. You know, Jesus is running around, casting stuff out of people left and right, but yet they want to tell us, we don't do that anymore. And now it's just fine to have whatever you got going on, going on. And, you know, like, all of the people that are supposed to be saving, people don't practice any of that anymore. Why Jesus did. Jesus did it.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

You know?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a connection there. You know, some people think that Cain, after he killed Abel, went off and started this Like Atlantis, like. Like civilization. And if you look at the work of Edgar Cayce, he thought that what Ezekiel in the Bible was seeing was tech from this Kane, Atlantis, civilization.

[Tim Constantine]

We got to do one on Edgar Casey. We got to make up a name for our show because we usually do about two a month, right? Yeah, like a combo show. Yeah, we. We should. Because. Yeah, I mean, you know, we could just set certain times because I. I love talking with you about this stuff and I think that. That we both think, like, study the same way. I guess not think the same, but study the same. And so, yeah, I think that we.

[Heidi Love]

Both believe that there's a spiritual realm and that it's interacting with us. Like, there's a lot of people who don't have that opinion, and that's okay, but it helps us. It helps the flow of the conversation, in my opinion, that we at least acknowledge that.

[Tim Constantine]

Yep. Because we're on the same level. And here's the thing. Like, people can believe whatever they want, but literally when you have certain things happen to you in your life, and as a nurse, I have seen so many people die. And the thing is, is all of them, almost all of them are like, reaching out to people or they'll say, like, somebody's there in the room with them or all of this stuff. And I know they want to say it's like your DMT and it's releasing and whatever. There's always some explanation except for maybe what it really is, you know? And I think there's a realm there when they cross it. I think that there's certain people, LDS being one of them. And I'm not talking about the regular LDS people. I mean, the top, top. The mystery schools, they've admitted that there's. In the quorum of the 12, there's a secret society inside the quorum of the 12 called the Secret. It's like the Special something organization. And they basically don't have to answer to anyone. Special Affairs Committee. That's what it is. And so this was not even known to the members. I think they know exactly what they're doing. And I think it has a lot to do with bloodlines because I'm not the only one that has a bloodline like that.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like two. You know, I think for whatever reason, modern Christians have not been taught about the Divine Council and the Elohim that are mentioned in the Bible. And the. You know, Steiner was talking about this too. And it's like. And I remember Michael Heiser talked a lot about this. Heiser said that Elohim sometimes just referred to, like, what we're talking about here, like something intelligent, beyond the veil. It's not necessarily a. It's not necessarily God. It's something. It's like a little G God or like, many of them.

[Tim Constantine]

Right.

[Heidi Love]

Sometimes it's. Sometimes it's maybe even a lower panel than that. Like. Like entities that work for the little G gods, because I think they have armies and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, it's a kingdom up there. Right. It's referred to in many ways like that.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, I think that if it wasn't, we wouldn't have so many things that we've heard or seen or whatever. Like, where did it all come from then?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, you know, it's. I mean. Yeah, that's my. Next thing I was gonna say is it gets confusing. The ELO gets confusing. But, like, when I was reading Steiner, one of the things that stuck out to me was, like, it seemed like he was kind of seeing in his studies that there was like, yes, there's this Aramon that wants to come to Earth and latch on to AI and control people. But running offense to that are some members of the Elohim who are working with the angels who are trying to unify humanity. So it's almost like there's some battling forces there within the Elohim.

[Tim Constantine]

Right? Oh, I think 100. No, I think 100, you're right. Because there are people that say that Elohim is just a title for anything that's like, extraterrestrial. Not. Not here with us on our. Our realm. Right. Like, and I don't think it's the sky. I think it's interdimensional. When I think of things like that, because the Jewish people say, I'm down with that.

[Heidi Love]

If you.

[Tim Constantine]

Yeah. If you could see inside of a room, like, all of the things that. He literally said, demons. This was Dr. Justin Sledge. He said they believe that there are so many demons all around us, like, all the time. Like, they. There's just tons of them. And he's like, that's what the Jewish people believe. So they, like, avoid bathrooms. Like, I mean, they do their business, but they get out of there, like, quickly. There's certain things they do, but I'm just like, yeah. I mean, you hear about it so much. Like, it can't. You hear about it from Native Americans. You hear about it from Jewish people, you hear about it from white people, you hear about it from educated white people. You hear about it from backwoods people. I mean, it doesn't even matter. Like, definitely hear about it from like Haitian people and African stuff. Like, why is everything always like that?

[Heidi Love]

Like if it's in every. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

What the hell happened?

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah. And you know too. And I do, I do. Like, I know we don't know what's up there because none of. No, we haven't been to space or whatever you want to call it. But like it does say the heavens in the Bible. So whatever that is up there, it seems like that's the place. And that might be the, the extra dimension. We might be in the third here and then the fourth might start up there and air quote space somewhere. I don't know. But I will say this. Like in the, in the Bible where it talks about the watchers, it says they came down to Mount Hermon.

[Tim Constantine]

Right.

[Heidi Love]

That just kind of feels like to me like that they did kind of come from above somehow.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, I don't know what's up there, but. Or whatever. Like, I just mean there's levels, I guess that's a better.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

And I think I like the extra dimensional thing.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know.

[Tim Constantine]

There'S too many. Oh, I know. No, no, I get what you're saying. I mean like extra dimensional, whether it's up, down, sideways, I just mean there's levels to this, you know.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

And I think the lowest level, which only makes sense, right? Like the lowest level are the demons that never had a body because literally there are many spirits that never had a body. If you came here illegally, I. E. Half a Nephilim or, you know, you are an ephylim. So half of an angel, half of a person, then you didn't have a spirit, the same as God creating you. You didn't, you know, But I mean, it is what it is. It's not their fault. But also not everything has a spirit like the Bible talks about like, like it's not the same thing. You know, some are just. Are a body, some are just a spirit. And I mean, Jesus obviously recognizes this to cast out legion, for we are many. Like what that obviously Legion. Have you ever looked up. That's like a lot. It's like I think it's 10,000 or something crazy.

[Heidi Love]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

It's like so many me, I'm like, obviously we've lost something there. But here's the funny thing. The mystery schools never lose because they keep their, their stuff tight and they keep their people like tight in. And even if they want to leave that's fine. But if they start spewing secrets, you get the jelly on your handle of your door. And he had a heart attack. Because you know why? Because nitro paste is kind of jelly and nitro will give you a damn heart attack.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, that's scary.

[Tim Constantine]

I'm just saying. Yeah. There's so many things. Yeah. That they can do. And also this Puhar Harvich, he goes forward and he starts really honing in on how to mind f people hard. He learns how to like psychological warfare.

[Heidi Love]

That's what I'm saying. He. That's what I'm saying. The date that you showed where he was doing all this stuff was 1954. MK Ultra starts in 1953.

[Tim Constantine]

Oh, and it said he was a part of MK Ultra. I don't know if I told you that we should definitely do a deeper dive like, and include MK Ultra stuff on this, but it does say specifically that he was an integral part of MK Ultra.

[Heidi Love]

So. Yeah.

[Tim Constantine]

And also he was a part of why so many hallucinogenic drugs got. Got passed out and everything. He was part of that. So.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, there was another guy, and this is short, but I came across this guy George Joe and Nitties Joannidi, something like that. He. He was. They. They think that he like orchestrated the whole Oswald Psyop, like going back to God Bannister and just that whole thing, that whole mess of CI like fairy and all them. They were all obviously like somewhat. They were all involved with the CIA. But there was a guy who later got this secret medal, George Joannidis. And they think that because a researcher found him on accident while looking into this, he was. Nobody supposed to he know who this guy was, but he's like one of these shadowy CIA guys. So. You know, I wonder if there's a file on George Johanides in these JFK files when they're released. If I would go straight to that and look for him, he'd be one of the first guys I look at.

[Tim Constantine]

Well, and even if they release things like in their entirety, I think. I think there might be some things that have all the information, but they're not going to make it easy. Like, have you ever gone to the FOIA docs where you're like 722 pages, they never go to the page you need. It's gonna be hard to find things. And I just think that even if they release the shooter paper, whatever they do, they're not going to release the entirety of like Permandex or. I mean, I found a lot of things on Permandex in the FOIA docs, but I'm just saying they're not going to release the whole story because the players are still playing. Like they're not going to do that. Like the Bronfmans. All these people that are so critical. Like they literally run the world. Like yeah, it's wild.

[Heidi Love]

Do you have any predictions on what we might find in those documents? I know that's not. I don't really. You know, my pretty things are kind of loose.

[Tim Constantine]

The CIA did it. Yeah, the CIA did it. I don't know who did it, but I definitely think the CIA did it with RFK100 Eugene thing Caesar. If it's Thing Eugene Caesar, I can't remember which way but I think he did it. So does rfk. By the way he junior he talks about this another aerospace guy. He was Caesar working for the Mormons. Yep, working too for the Mormons. And Howard Hughes. It when it gets always it goes back to Hughes too. Always goes back to Hughes. I think Hughes, he has a higher IQ than Elon Musk. I don't know if you knew this.

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[Tim Constantine]

I think he might have been smart enough that he might have channeled for real and got something. I think he may have even integrated with something which would make sense because maybe that's why he didn't go out of his room because he didn't want to do certain things anymore or whatever. Like, you know, think about that. Like there are things in this world that I. I think that there's.

[Heidi Love]

He knew. He knew a lot of things. Like he. It was almost too easy for that guy to like to make money and get rich. He was just good at whatever he touched. And, yeah, he.

[Tim Constantine]

Talk about bloodlines. He's related to the Wright brothers.

[Heidi Love]

Yep. Yep. Yeah. I. I don't. I mean. And, like, he knew about this whole breakaway civilization, secret airship thing.

[Tim Constantine]

Yep. Who. I think that there's so much stuff that people that mess with. If we'll just say magic, I guess you. Maybe he. Maybe you're going to get more than you bargain for if you do the Abramelon and you even do it correctly. Let's say in the perfect world, you do it correctly. You may not want to be bound to something like that. Like, if God wanted us to be like that, God would have made us like that. Right. Like, why are we searching for that when we're just supposed to be. What. But I think that goes back to the Bible, where it says, says, put your faith in. In me, not put your faith in other things. Don't be messing around that way. Like, you don't need to do that. You know, I'm here. And I think that's why it also says I'm a very jealous God. Right. Like, I think he was trying to tell these people, like, no, this is too much. You don't. We don't do all that. We just have a relationship. I'm your father, you know, and that's what he really wants with us.

[Heidi Love]

Us.

[Tim Constantine]

He wants that relationship with us. That's what he really wants. He doesn't want all this, you know, you got to do the incense in this way and that way and bow 10 times or go to the temple or. He doesn't want that, or he would have made us do it. It's pretty easy. I mean, you know.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. It's interesting, you see, too, what. The structure of the Mormon religion and stuff like that and the people who operate well under that sort of a thing. A lot. It's a lot of. Lot of. It's a lot of going through the motions and. And rituals and all that stuff.

[Tim Constantine]

And it's 100 rituals. Yeah.

[Heidi Love]

And then you see the CIA picking people out of Brigham Young University and Utah in general.

[Tim Constantine]

And on top of it, you're seeing constantly Skull and Bones members. Like, these people are Sigma Chi, Rotary Club, Skull and Bones. I'm not just talking about Mormons. I'm talking about. In general. These kids are picked out of their family lines early on, very early in life. And, you know, I've heard people describe it as. Well, you know, there's one faction of Mormons that are polygamous. Mormons. And they only keep to themselves and they intermarry just like the Egyptians. And so they say they're the bloodline of Jesus Christ themselves. And you want to talk to me about bloodlines? So I'm like, well, what's their bloodlines look like? It makes you really wonder because then you get into the genealogy stuff and how weird they all were about it. Like, I'm sorry, there is something going on there. Like, clearly, you know, like, there's something up. So I think that there's a lot more to stories, but definitely CIA.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah. Yep. CIA. Aerospace for me. I mean. Oh, yeah, for sure. But for sure, the CIA. That's the one that I don't have any question about.

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[Heidi Love]

There's always more to the story.

[Tim Constantine]

Like, was there that day. I, you know, part of the.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, he's a part of this deep state secret society that's in power. Like Nixon, all those guys. I think Nixon was a part of it. But. Yeah, but no, this has been great, great information.

[Tim Constantine]

Awesome. Yeah, it was fun. I always love doing shows with you. It's always a good time.

[Heidi Love]

Yeah, me too. Me too. Before I forget how you love, tell everyone where they can find you.

[Tim Constantine]

Awesome. I am Heidi Love. I'm at the Unfiltered Rise podcast. I'm everywhere podcasts are served. I do have my own website now, and it's just unfilteredrisepodcast.com and I have my Patreon, which is two times a month you'll get. Get two extra episodes all about murders, Mormons and mayhem. And you're not going to want to miss the next one because we did Israel Keys because he was a Mormon. So, Tim, for my listeners, will you let everybody know?

[Heidi Love]

Yes. I'm Tim Constantine. My show is six Sensory Podcast. I spell it out S I X. I'm on Apple, Spotify, YouTube and Patreon. And I've got some stuff on Nazis on Patreon right now. Just a deep dive into Nazi occultism and the rise of Nazi occultism and all that. But yeah, sixth Century Podcast is my show. Come be a part.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes. And you do a great job with. I loved our show together on that presentation. So you guys check it out because he. He does a great job at it. So give him a listen. It'll probably be more in depth on him. His show because I won't be interrupting.

[Heidi Love]

We're good. That was. Yeah. But yeah, this has been great. We'll do it again. I'd like to get into more, maybe more of the occult stuff, theosophy stuff. We'll see. We'll see what happens with the next one.

[Tim Constantine]

Yes, and Permandex will be coming hopefully pretty quick because we know the other stuff's going to be hopefully coming out soon. They had 15 days to respond, but probably, probably have to get it all together and all that stuff. So who knows. Awesome. Well, we'll catch you guys on the next one. Bye. Awesome.

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