SUNDAY SHARE: The Greypilled Podcast

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: SUNDAY SHARE: The Greypilled Podcast
Release Date: January 26, 2025
Host/Author: TopLobsta Productions

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsta and Raven delve deep into the world of conspiracies viewed through a Biblical perspective. The episode features a special guest appearance by Nick from The Occult Rejects, where they explore various esoteric and occult topics, ancient symbols, secret societies, and personal mystical experiences.

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Spotlight on The Greypilled Podcast

The episode begins with Jules introducing the Sunday Share segment, where they highlight creators in the conspiracy space who deserve more attention. This week, they shine the spotlight on Jules of the Gray Pilled Podcast, praising his deep dives into ancient cults, mythologies, and the interconnectedness of various cultural symbols.

Notable Quote:

Jules: "He really does a great job of these deep dives into the more esoteric and historical as far as ancient cult cultures and their mythos goes."
[01:43]

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Conversation with Nick from The Occult Rejects

Nick joins Curtis (co-host) and Lisa for an in-depth discussion about his journey into the occult, his experiences with secret societies, and his personal mystical encounters.

Nick’s Journey into the Occult

Nick shares his early interest in conspiracies sparked around 2009-2010 through YouTube, leading him to explore figures like Project Camelot, Michael Tassarian, Jordan Maxwell, and David Icke. His quest to understand magic and the occult led him to join the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.), a secret society with roots tracing back to Freemasonry and later influenced by Aleister Crowley.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "I was like, why don't I actually try to look into joining one of these places? And I was living out in Long Island at the time..."
[11:03]

Experiences within the O.T.O.

Nick recounts attending Gnostic Masses, undergoing initiations, and the hierarchical structure of the O.T.O. He discusses the financial commitments required, such as dues and fees for higher degrees, which eventually led to his departure around 2020 due to personal experiences and external events like COVID-19 and the George Floyd protests.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "There is things later on... you sign your shit over to the O.T.O., which is basically, at that point, that's a cult."
[19:49]

Symbolism and Rituals

The conversation delves into the symbolism used in secret societies, particularly focusing on the optic nerve and eyeball symbolism as gateways to the abyss. Nick theorizes that rituals involving nudity and dark settings are symbolic representations of ancient mythological concepts like the Garden of Eden.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "I believe when you get to a certain part of your eye, it will start to look like the Garden of Eden."
[22:53]

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Mystical Experiences and Magic

Nick shares his personal mystical experiences gained through meditation, which he describes as crossing the abyss—a concept linked to profound spiritual transformation. These experiences bear similarities to powerful psychedelic trips, characterized by intense visual and sensory phenomena without the use of substances.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "For me, magic is separating the soul from the body."
[46:34]

He describes visual phenomena during meditation, such as seeing blackness resembling an eclipse, intricate geometric patterns, and feelings of rebirth and connection to a collective consciousness.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "I started feeling things that I only feel when I have a magical experience... It's a million times stronger than anything."
[83:57]

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Influence of Ancient and Modern Occultism

The discussion transitions to the influence of historical figures and modern interpretations of occult symbols. Nick highlights the works of Heinrich Kunrat, Aleister Crowley, and their contributions to occult symbolism and modern secret societies. They also touch upon how ancient symbols like the swastika and the Star of David have been subverted and reinterpreted in modern contexts.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "Aleister Crowley has ripped off... some of older occultists that people, for some reason, just don't know they exist."
[120:19]

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Secret Societies and Modern Conspiracies

Nick and Curtis discuss the involvement of secret societies in contemporary events, such as the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, and their potential connections to larger conspiratorial narratives involving groups like the Illuminati and NASA. They speculate on the manipulation of symbols and public perceptions by these organizations.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "The Azov Battalion... they're really gonna trust what the fuck they're showing you on video."
[55:35]

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Media Censorship and Information Control

The hosts express concerns about media censorship, shadow banning, and the suppression of information related to conspiracies and occult subjects. They share personal experiences with content strikes on platforms like YouTube and discuss the challenges of disseminating their message in a controlled information environment.

Notable Quote:

Nick: "I got a strike for medical misinformation... it was all basically, like... accepted, published medical facts."
[99:08]

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Conclusions and Future Discussions

The episode wraps up with mutual appreciation between the hosts and Nick, emphasizing the importance of open discussions about the occult and conspiracies. They express interest in future collaborations and deeper explorations of topics like the Black Sun, David Lynch’s symbolism, and Twin Peaks.

Notable Quote:

Curtis: "I can't wait to have you on again... there’s a lot packed into this that you want."
[127:00]

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Key Takeaways

• Exploration of the Occult: Nick's journey exemplifies a deep dive into the occult, highlighting the allure and complexity of secret societies.
• Symbolism: The use of ancient symbols like the optic nerve and the swastika reveals how interpretations can shift across cultures and eras.
• Mystical Experiences: Personal accounts of mystical experiences underscore the transformative potential of meditation and spiritual practices.
• Media Challenges: Censorship and information control pose significant challenges for spreading alternative narratives.
• Future Topics: Upcoming discussions promise to further unravel the intricate connections between ancient mysteries, modern conspiracies, and pop culture.

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad offers a captivating blend of personal anecdotes, historical analysis, and speculative discourse on the occult and conspiratorial phenomena. For listeners intrigued by the intersection of ancient symbolism, secret societies, and modern-day conspiracies, this conversation provides valuable insights and invites further exploration into these enigmatic subjects.

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Transcript

[Nick]

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[Adrian]

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[Nick]

I have long determined not to be frightened by fear.

[Adrian]

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[Jules]

Hey guys, welcome to our Sunday Share episode. Every Sunday we like to try to put the spotlight on a creator within the conspiracy space who is maybe got really great content but not quite got enough eyes on the product. Something that we definitely enjoy. And so in this instance, this is Jules of the Gray Pilled podcast. I highly recommend going and checking him out. I believe he's on all platforms including rumble and YouTube and he really does a great job of these deep dives into the more esoteric and historical as far as ancient cult cultures and their mythos goes. He does a great job of diving deep into those sorts of topics and starting to hash out which characters are the same characters from one culture's mythos to another, just with a change of name because of the language of the people that are indigenous to that area. So Jules does a great job of that, among other things. And so we highly recommend checking his workout. And this weekend we just wanted to shine the spotlight over on Gray Pilled podcast. So if you like what you hear here, be sure. To go and hunt him down and follow him or check the description for his links. All right, enjoy the show.

[Nick]

Welcome to the Great Pill podcast. Exploring the depths beyond what is retail. Conspiracies, esoteric knowledge so enthralling. Open up your mind. Let's dive into the sprawling. Oh, yeah, great. Through the wa game, question what you know.

[Curtis]

And what's going on. Everybody. Welcome back to the Gray Pill podcast. I am your host, Jules, here today with another banger. This episode 73 believe we're getting up to 100 guys in a month. Will I think is February 2nd will be my one year anniversary of Gray Pill. So we'll have a good show for that, guys. I'm joined today by my friend Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick, how we doing, man?

[Nick]

Good. Very good. Thank you very much for having me on. Yeah, man, it's gonna be fun.

[Curtis]

Yeah, dude, no, you came on Schizo News Network like maybe six, seven months ago. It was. Yeah, yeah. And I had been meaning to have you on since then, so I'm happy to finally have you here. Guys, what's going on? Everyone's in the chat. Hello to a few people. Curtis. What's up, brother? Shout out all the Grapist. Yeah, my. My Patreon audience chose to call themselves Grapist.

[Nick]

Okay. All right.

[Curtis]

Era Good to see you. Z man. Z man. I miss you in all the TLC chats, bro. It's been a while, dude. Thanks for coming and hanging out. X comer. Good to see you. Mad Miller. Good to see you, Sharon. It's good to see you here, Sharon. So we got here. Got some more people coming in.

[Nick]

That is awesome.

[Curtis]

Oh yeah, man. I got, I have, I always say this. Probably every episode. I have the best audience.

[Nick]

So I don't, I don't do well with like Rumble with the chat, but YouTube I do.

[Curtis]

Yeah. See dude, this is like one of the few times that I stream to YouTube. Really. Like I said, I do my deep dives, my interviews and my swap cast. I stream those to YouTube. But all my live streams and my little like watch parties and stuff, we just do that on. On Rumble. Rumble and X. So. Well, Nick, if, if I, I don't know if everyone has. If, if they know who you are or if they've heard your podcast before. You want to kind of let people know a little bit about yourself.

[Nick]

Sure. Yeah. I got the Occult Rejects podcast that's on YouTube, Bitch Shoot Rumble and all major podcasts that when originally came out it was me and one other person. It's been around for about four years, I'd have to say now. Well, that one other person isn't around anymore, but there's probably about 7, 8, 9 maybe, probably close to a total of 10 of us now that kind of take turns covering certain topics. And sometimes you'll have anywhere from four to seven people on one show. But like, everybody has like their own little niche. Everybody has like their own way of they look at occultism kind of their own, you know, specific what they specify in.

[Curtis]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And in my opinion, you'll end up with a pretty good, I guess, overall idea of how you can look at stuff from many different angles. But yeah, we got that going on and it's like I said, it's been going for about four years and it's a lot of occult, occult symbolism. You'll be able to find stuff on grimoires, occultists from the past, you know, all sorts of stuff. True crime, if it applies to the occult.

[Adrian]

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[Curtis]

Yeah, dude, that's, that's pretty cool. I, I, I didn't know you had like multiple guests on.

[Nick]

Oh yeah, well, I would say they're, they're all they originally little thing. Yeah, they started out as guests. I'm going to be totally honest with you. Most of them, and I didn't realize until after the fact, I didn't realize that most of them actually were fans of the show before they even started their own podcast. So like it just. Yeah. So it just ended up being like, one day I realized I was like, you know, like 90 of these dudes are like. Or females, actually. Were. Listeners of the show, started coming on, started their own show, and now they. We all work together. But yeah, now it's. It's about probably, I'd say, like eight to 10 people that we use. And it's. It's pretty cool. It's pretty impressive, honestly.

[Curtis]

Yeah, man. And it's. It's good to have a lot of kind of like different perspectives on things, just because there. There are many interpretations to.

[Nick]

Plus, I don't know, everything.

[Curtis]

There you go. I don't think anybody does, man.

[Nick]

So I have to utilize other people.

[Curtis]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that's. I think that's important. There's many in interpretations, especially when it comes to the occult. To all. To all this hidden knowledge, these. This hit, you know, these. These hidden meanings, all this esoteric symbolism. So that's. That's cool, man.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. And like, real quick, I'll even, like. I'll mention someone. We got the headless giant, Jin the ninja Lisa, Teresa, Robbie Marks.

[Curtis]

Shout out. Yeah, I think she.

[Nick]

She. Yeah, she was. She was on Skitso. Yeah. I don't know. God bless her for being able to deal with that.

[Curtis]

She was the first female to come on.

[Nick]

That's what I think. I think Nate said that too. He's like, yeah, man, she was a trooper.

[Curtis]

Yeah, man.

[Nick]

Yeah. But we got. We got her. We got. Oh, God, I'm forgetting a bunch of tj. Robbie Marks. I think I already said him. Yeah. Jen the Ninja, J.J. vance. My boy J.J. vance. And I'm probably forgetting, like, a few other people. My bad. But, yeah, got all of them. They're part of the occult rejects.

[Curtis]

That's awesome, man. You got your own little family.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Curtis]

Good morning, Doc. Shelley. Good morning, Nancy. Good to see you. Jay Brooks. What's up, guys? Most my Patreon people coming in. That's awesome, guys. I am. I believe. Me and Adrian west are doing an episode in the morning on Patreon Elohim etymology Marduk Part 3. So y'all tune into that. That's gonna be a good time. It'll come out on Rumble, YouTube and Spotify in two weeks. So y'all go over to my Patreon. If you haven't patreon.com greatbuildpodcast I got few tiers you can sign up for. There's different perks for each, so get in where you fit in. Nick, so what. What first got you into the. The occult.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Curtis]

Learning about all. All this stuff because it's not very popularized, right?

[Nick]

Yeah, Yeah, I will say, at least it's gotten more popular since I started getting into it, which is a plus. That's nice to see. Um, I probably. I mean, really, it goes back to, like, when I started getting into conspiracies, really, probably around, like, 2009 to 2010. You know, I started, I think, got. Got into conspiracies on YouTube through, like, watching, like, a UFO thing and like, somehow ended up down some rabbit hole.

[Curtis]

That's usually how it happens.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, right. I think it happens for a lot of people. And I started coming across, like, actual shows, like Project Camelot and then, like, Michael Tassarian and Jordan Maxwell and David Icke.

[Curtis]

Yes.

[Nick]

Yeah. And I saw. Listen, all them, and a lot of them do touch on the occult, actually. So, like, that's kind of stuck with me. Or I found that more interesting than other stuff, and I kind of just veered towards that. And then I don't remember exactly what year, but I was in it for about six years. At some point, just for me doing research and listening to all these people and all these shows, you know, I hear about, like, the occult and this order is over here, and that order is over there. And this person started that, and this person's doing this, and I'm like, I still don't know what the fuck magic is. I mean, keep it honest. I don't know what magic is still. So I was like, I kind of want to know, like, what the deal is with that. Like, you know, supposedly, if that's what they're using. Is the stuff real? How does it work? This and that. And I was like, why don't I actually try to look into joining one of these places? And I was living out in Long island at the time, or in Queens. Was that in Queens?

[Curtis]

Is that where you're from?

[Nick]

Yeah, well, now I'm in North Carolina, but I did grow up out in Long Island, New York, my whole life.

[Curtis]

Were you affected by the hurricane?

[Nick]

Any which one? What do you mean?

[Curtis]

Like, when Helene. Was that North Carolina that.

[Nick]

Oh, you know what? I got here after that.

[Curtis]

Okay.

[Nick]

I've only been here for, like, two months, so.

[Curtis]

Oh, shit. Okay.

[Nick]

This is fairly new for me, actually. Yeah, totally new. So, yeah, getting back to what I was saying, I was like, why don't I actually see if I can join one of these places? And I already knew from people that I knew that were in the Freemasons or kind of involved in it. They already had told me, if you're looking to get into the occult, you're gonna have to stay there for a long time before they even, you know, acknowledge that stuff. And so I was like, all right, I'm not gonna bother with that. So I started looking up like the golden dawn and the oto because I know those were two big orders or, you know, they, they kind of shaped the Neo magicians we have nowadays, right? And there was an Oto Lodge like 20 minutes away from me and there wasn't anything for the Golden Dawn. I was like, all right. I guess really that's kind of like the only option I got. And I eventually got in contact with them. They really aren't as secretive as you would think they are. I mean, they have their own website and they'll show you where every lodge and temple and all everything is in contacts for them. So I ended up contacting the one and told them I was interested in coming to a gnostic mass that was on their calendar. And they said, yeah, the day of the mass, just hit us up and let us know you want to come and we'll give you directions. And, you know, I did that. They sent me like this big, long and drawn out thing, depending on where I'm coming from, how to get here, this and that. And I went and stayed for about six years and I ended up joining the oto and I did a few initiations, did it to a couple of degrees, and eventually due to, believe it or not, due to Covid, Covid, George Floyd, and my own magical experiences, I decided to leave that place.

[Curtis]

And for people that don't know, the.

[Nick]

OTO is the Templi Orientis. And it was a, it was a secret society that was originally Theodore Rus and one or two other people had it. And it was more of like an offshoot of Masonry. If you were a Mason, you were able to transfer over probably to a certain degree, depending on where you were in the Masons. Then eventually Aleister Crowley took it over and supposedly separated it from masonry and even popped out a whole bunch of their degrees and, and changed it to the book of the law. And that's, you know, Dot.

[Curtis]

Okay, now when, what, what year was this? Whenever you joined was this.

[Nick]

Whatever. All right, where do we get covet? Was what, 20? 20. 2020. Yeah, so I'd say it was probably 2014. I think I was in it for about six years.

[Curtis]

Okay, yeah, I left and I left.

[Nick]

Right, right around a few weeks after Covet. Hit, I was gone. I mean, I wasn't even really going anymore for about six months. I don't think I had even gone to anything of theirs anyway. And I think I was even considered inactive because I wasn't paying dues anymore either.

[Curtis]

Oh, so you have to pay dues to belong to something?

[Nick]

Like, kind of. Yeah. Well, I think it will bite you in the ass if you want to go for an initiation. They're like, you know, you owe, like, 300 for the last year and dues. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, because it was like 40amonth for dues.

[Curtis]

Okay, that's. That's crazy how. How you told me, like, you have other people from other kind of, like what you would call secret societies. Not so secret. Right. But other schools of initiation or other lodges come through or, like, get transferred there. Is that common?

[Nick]

What do you. Oh, well, like, I would see, there were people that. There's people that would come to them. Larry. There's people that were members that were in other secret societies, if that's, like, what you're getting at. And there was people that would be, like, guests. It's just people that come sometimes and never join. But sometimes they'll come. Every once in a while, they'll be from other secret societies. Sometimes they did, like, a solstice, and they would bring in a witch coven to do, like, a ritual for the solstice.

[Curtis]

Dude, what was that?

[Nick]

Like, I never. I never went to it. I just remember it was on the calendar, and it said that they were bringing. There was a woman there that was kind of not high up, but I think she might have even been part of, like. I forgot the actual word. She might have been, like, a secretary or treasurer. Like, she was, like, one of those people had been around a long, long time, and she was also into witchcraft, and she was in a coven. She had them just bring them. They brought him in to do something.

[Curtis]

I didn't go, but, yeah, man, that's. That's interesting, man. Yeah. You had mentioned that to me before we started, and I was like, yeah.

[Nick]

I was like, you may not know I was actually in the oto, dude, because I could give you a ton of other questions if I sprung that on you on the show. I didn't want you to, like, be taken back and be like, oh, I don't know what to ask now.

[Curtis]

Well, yeah, dude. Like, I. To be honest with you, I wish I would have asked you a little ahead of time so I could have wrote down some more questions to ask you. To be honest with you, because, I mean, one of the things that has driven me to research the occult is kind of taking an interest in why people join these societies or these certain mystery schools. What, what was it for you? Like what, what did you first get out of it?

[Adrian]

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[Nick]

I wanted to, I wanted to figure out what the magic is. I'm totally honest with you. Oh, I was so dead set on figuring out like what it is. And be honest. I had even said it to family members and a few friends. If I ever found out that there's actually really screwed up going on in these places, I'm going to say something about it too. Which, I mean, it wasn't actually. I mean, I probably didn't stay around long enough to see any like real crazy stuff. I mean, there obviously was reasons why I left that, you know, I wasn't comfortable there anymore. But.

[Curtis]

Right. Were there certain, like certain rights or initiation practices that you knew about but you didn't take place in or that you kind of like heard were happening through the grapevine or anything?

[Nick]

Well, I mean there was things that originally when I first heard about it, I wasn't sure if I was even comfortable with doing it to go through degrees. But there is things later on. Again, I didn't get, you know, I got a few initiations in. I didn't get to the point to where they have to ask you if you want to go up. You can actually petition up to, like, the fifth degree. You can keep asking to go up whenever you're ready, going by the guidelines after that, they start asking you. And that's when certain things that are expected kind of get like, real personal. And then, like, I already knew I would never probably go that high. You know, at some point, it's really weird. At some point, they want you to sign yourself. You sign your shit over to the oto, which is basically, at that point, that's a cult. But then if you stay in long enough and make it to the ninth degree, now all of a sudden, you get percentage of what the place is worth. So now it's like, is this a business?

[Curtis]

Oh, shit.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah. Another one that I think of. The seventh or the eighth. If you're going up that high, you're gonna have to be with somebody who's also in the oto. And I was like, I would never. Like, first off, I was. At the time I was married, I was like. I would never even, like, fucking fathom even touching any of these to say it. So it's just like, that. That's never gonna work anyway. But, I mean, that's even too. That's too crazy at that, you know, for me, that's. That's too much. There were people that I would notice sometimes after they did a certain degree, they would have, like. It almost looks like a cross kind of like cut or burnt into their chest.

[Curtis]

Holy.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Curtis]

What do you think that was?

[Nick]

I never. I never got. I never. You know, I never got. I. As far as I know, I think that is the fifth degree. But, yeah, I only got a few up. It was, you know, bad. And, you know, it was uncomfortable enough at times. Like, I will have to say, for the first degree. You want to finish the first degree, you will have to get naked.

[Curtis]

I was gonna say Z man would say it up here.

[Nick]

Yeah. The first degree, you will have to. I mean, not to church it up or make it sound any better, because it's. I'll even admit it, if you kind of look at what's going on, it's pretty pathetic. But, like, when it does happen, like, after you do an initiation, let's say there's four of you scheduled that day. Let's say I'm the first one to go. I get to sit down then and watch everybody else go. The room was so dark, and only one person held a candle. That when you did, when you were naked, you literally just saw the silhouette. You weren't able to see the actual person, that's how dark it was in the lodge. So, you know, and I was already told by somebody because I had asked because I was like, yeah, I heard the first degree, you gotta get naked. And I was like, I really don't know if I could do that. And they were like, dude, it's gonna be so dark in there, nobody will see anything.

[Curtis]

Is there any symbolism or any like meaning to getting naked that has to do with like the Garden of Eden and stuff?

[Nick]

Like I could, I could see that because of my opinion. All right, there's a Minerval which is before the first degree. That makes you kind of like an honored guest. This is just my opinion and it may even sound weird be like, where are you even going with the eyeball in the Garden of Eden?

[Curtis]

Nothing's weird on this show.

[Nick]

But in my opinion, and I'm going to be straight up, and this is probably something that I'm hoping we'll get into in the show later. In my opinion, I'm just being completely honest and I'm begging people who are listening right now to take this serious and look into this stuff. Some of the deepest secrets of secrets when it comes to the occult and symbolism is actually how your eyeball works and the experience, the visuals and the feelings that you have in the experience of death. Because you will have to die if you want to cross to the abyss. But in my opinion, those initiations were actually showing eyeball symbolism as well. And I do think when you get to a certain part of your eye, it will start to look like the Garden of Eden. You'll see trees, you'll see possible flowers. You know, you see all sorts of weird stuff in your eye that you could see how it could be turned into something very artistic. And I do believe that that part is even being that part of the eyeball is shown inside the initiations. So the Garden of Eden, I could see why I had to if they are. If that was associated with it, I could see it fitting the first degree.

[Jules]

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[Nick]

Has you covered because of where I think they're associating you in the eyeball.

[Adrian]

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[Curtis]

Interesting dude.

[Nick]

Yeah, I would say just straight up. I mean straight up. For people that are listening in the Minerval degree right here there is a tent in the middle of the initiation. Never once talk about it. Never once say a thing. Why? Why is it there? We just totally ignore it. There's something. There's a reason you just don't do that. Especially occultists. Everything is for a reason. That things there. At some point you go through all the bullshit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you walk over, they bring you over and you're standing right in front of it. And this is when they decide to start giving you, like the word of the initiation, the grip of the initiation, the sign of the initiation, all the secret stuff. And they tell you that this, the name for God is on o n in the tent. If you were to go, look what the optic nerve looks like. It looks like the fucking tent. And they're telling you right there, you're in front of the optic nerve. The name of that is the optic nerve. And then you got to pump your thumb 12 times. The optic nerve is one of your 12 cranial nerves.

[Curtis]

So there's a tent set up in the middle of the room.

[Nick]

Yeah. Like off to the side, kind of in the corner where it would be in your eyeball because it looks. It's in the corner in the back of your eye, all the way up in the back of your eye. And that's where sunlight gets transmitted into electricity and goes into your head, into your body. Yeah, we take sunlight and we actually convert it into electricity. That's what's. I mean, be honest with you. We're solar powered biological AI.

[Curtis]

Wait, wait, what?

[Nick]

We're basically solar powered biological AI. We take in the sun and it's. That's what, what. That's what turns into the electricity that runs our body.

[Curtis]

Right?

[Jules]

Our.

[Curtis]

Our energy.

[Nick]

Yes. Do it to us.

[Curtis]

Yeah. When you were talking about the eye, I don't know if you're talking about like the mind's eye. You're actually talking about your eyes, what you see, your perception of things, right?

[Nick]

Yeah, but yeah, what I'm getting at is. Yeah, the light, the light from the sun will go back into your eye and the optic nerve will turn into electricity. And that's kind of like everything that your whole body.

[Curtis]

Dude, I have so many questions, and.

[Nick]

It looks like, I hate to say it, it looks like it's. It looks like a flaccid deck or a light switch. Literally.

[Curtis]

Dude, you see that phallic symbolism in a lot of these ancient mystery schools. Dumb. Could, could you tell me? Like, most people, when most people think of secret societies, they think of the Illuminati, right? They think of like one organization. They don't take into perspective that there are tons of these different schools with all these different rights and rituals. What, what sets them all apart from each Other.

[Nick]

Probably just like different people starting them right. Real letter agencies. Which one's involved in which one? Because I. I do definitely think that. The CIA or the FBI. The FBI. The lodge that I went to in Queens, to Hootie Lodge, at one point, it was known that the feds had fucking came. How do you know?

[Curtis]

They're gone, Right? What'd you say the lodge was called?

[Nick]

Tehuti Lodge.

[Curtis]

Tehuti Lodge, yeah.

[Nick]

In Queens.

[Curtis]

Tehuti is right.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's hoof.

[Curtis]

Holy.

[Nick]

Oh, I better know if I went there. For how long?

[Curtis]

No.

[Nick]

No idea who that is.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Forget about talking to. No, no.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Curtis]

I didn't know that. Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, it's real, real quick. Somebody. Somebody made a joke about this, and this is something that I do. Question again. Somebody was talking about, like, butt sex or some of magic. You know how there's always like some, you know, always pointing towards that. Now, again, if you take into consideration that what I'm talking about, magic, in my opinion, does involve your eyes, something to do. You will be like, kind of like turning out the lights on yourself, in a sense. But again, if you think about how I'm talking about, the eyes might actually be used in occult symbolism. And it is about that. Our pupil opens up like a cross. I mean, that's on a thing on its own, but when it closes its screw, it screws closed. And we have the same muscle in our. In our pupil, the sphinxer muscle, the same one that's in our ass. So, like, when Crowley says that magic's in the butt, maybe he's actually talking about the fucking sphinxer muscle in your eye.

[Lisa]

Yeah, dude.

[Curtis]

What? Okay, so that's why I was saying there's many ways to interpret this stuff, right?

[Nick]

Yes. And the easiest way to make people ignore it is make it look horrific or sexual horror and sex. Oh, my God, it's Satan. I'll never look at it and never figure it out.

[Curtis]

Well, like, when most people look, when they look at the Baphomet, you can look at it. Like a lot of people think that it's a certain kind of deity. I believe that it represents many things. Duality.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, that's loaded. Loaded, yeah.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Loaded with symbolism, man.

[Nick]

And that goes back to Heinrich Kunrat's picture of a hermaphrodite in 14 1500s. Like, that's not even original. Eliphas Levi ripped that off.

[Curtis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see.

[Nick]

Yeah. Heinrich on one of his. And the guy. It even had solve and Coagula on his Arm on the arms and everything. He totally ripped off Heinrich Kunrath. I'm just saying it. That Baphomet existed way before that drawing, at least artistically, by Heinrich Kumrath. And I held that shit in my hands, too. I had to go up to the Yale library to look at that thing personally. Wow.

[Curtis]

Dude. Heinrich Kumra. Hold on now. Who was that?

[Nick]

He was an alchemist. Heinrich Kumra. I'll look him up and send it to you in the private chat.

[Curtis]

Okay, do that. Do that. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, we're. We're going to be talking about a lot of occultism in this episode. Magic in. In many forms. The black sun. Something that me and Nick wanted to discuss. So. Yes. This is gonna be fun, man. We love Xcomer Said. So it's the butt, not the eye. As the window into the soul. Okay, that's. Yeah, that's one way to look at it. X comer. Yeah. So into the outdoor, is the butthole, the real third eye?

[Lisa]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I hope not.

[Curtis]

What's up, Rye?

[Nick]

That's another thing, too. Our eyes actually project about six feet out, too.

[Curtis]

Wait, what?

[Nick]

Our eyes project about six feet out.

[Curtis]

Is that why there's some people that can, like. Like, their eyes will pop out their head. You got some people that can do that?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's just another interesting fun fact. I think most people probably don't realize that.

[Curtis]

Here, I'm gonna pull this up, that you sent me this Heinrich Kumran guy. Weren't you. Hey, so weren't you just on. You were on Nephilim murder crew with.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Curtis]

Em and Tommy, right?

[Nick]

Yes.

[Curtis]

That's awesome, man. Yeah, those friends of mine.

[Nick]

Yeah, they're nice people.

[Curtis]

They're good people. Yeah, man, they're real good people.

[Nick]

I like how they're like. Well, they're very open for Catholics.

[Curtis]

Yes, yes, they. They are.

[Nick]

I would say they're more mystics, really, if anything.

[Curtis]

We talked about Catholic mysticism. Yeah, they. They question a lot as. As I do, but I think the.

[Nick]

Listen, back in the day, I do think that's what it was expected. I hate to say it. I do think at one point, it wasn't such strict guidelines in the Catholic Church, in my opinion.

[Curtis]

Yeah. And people would probably say that about most religions, right? That the mysticism aspect of it was a lot more prevalent back then. Right?

[Nick]

Yeah. From like the 1200s to the 1600s. It was like. It was popping. I hate to say I'm not. And you know, I'm not. I'm not religious. But in the Catholic Church, as some of the known people, then, I mean, it was popping off with people like, really making some. Some serious, you know, I guess coming up with occultism and figuring out. I mean, it was really. A lot of stuff was coming out through the Catholic Church.

[Curtis]

Yeah. I mean, you. You look at, you know, the. Even the hats that all the bishops wear or not, or. What are they called? The cardinals or. Yeah, yeah. I mean, people say that they look like a fish because it represents Peter, the first pope, who was a fisherman. Right. But then you also have people that. No, they're actually worshiping Deon and. And the hats represent, like, the old priest of Deon. Right. But you could also say the same with, like, some sex of Judaism and Bab and all the Babylonian worship. Right. The worship of Bell. So let's read a little bit of this. Heinrich Kunrath, it was called, was a German physician, Hermetic philosopher and alchemist. Francis Yates considered him to be a link between the philosophy of John D. And Rosicrucianism. Wow. His name, in the spelling Henricus Kunrath was used as a pseudonym in the 16 in. For the 1670 publisher of. Yeah, most of these alchemists or occultists had pseudonyms, right. For names. Yeah.

[Nick]

You had. You had a Michael Meyer. Huge, huge for. For Rosicrucianism. He's one of the biggest, biggest promoters of it. Yo. He was the first person to have, like, basically multimedia stuff. If. If you had his book, it came with emblems that you had to meditate and look at. It came with music that you had to play, and it came with stuff that you're supposed to read with it. It was like totally immersing yourself into this book on the stuff that you were supposed to do.

[Curtis]

Do you think the music.

[Nick]

The music. The music went all. Definitely went along like it was the.

[Curtis]

Emblems, and all of it basically went together as some sort of rider ritual.

[Adrian]

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[Nick]

And it's almost like. Have you ever heard of the Ninth Gate with Johnny Depp?

[Curtis]

Absolutely. It's actually filmed in a Rothschild Mansion.

[Nick]

There's 50 emblems and they're like, they, they actually say they think that they're not in order. So you even have to know the right order to put it in. And this guy Heinrich Kunrath, he has only like four or five. I think there's like five or six books left of this book. Beinecke Library over in Yale had two of them. And they said that they thought that this kind of like was the Ninth Gate where the emblems aren't in the same order in every book. And I went and on my website I took out both books and they're right. The emblems are not in the same order. The books are not in the same order. So it's like really weird. It's like now if you have to supposedly have all of them and figure out the right order, is there actually something like the Ninth Gate with that? Very weird.

[Curtis]

Dude, that's a movie that I didn't even finish, bro. Like I started, I got into it, I looked at the research behind it from the. I mean obviously we know that Roman Polanski directed it. And like I said, it was filmed in the Rothschild Mansion. The same Rothschild mansion from the 1972 Yule ball that. Have, have you seen those pictures?

[Nick]

No.

[Curtis]

Well, let's just pull those up. What? Actually my second episode that I did.

[Nick]

Oh, you know where you're pulling that up? Because I see people do are talking about like pineal glands, you know, whatever and jokes. I'll throw this in there too. Another fun fact, people may not. And the reason, the reason I even found that is my co host Lisa had told me because I was trying to, I'm trying to figure out certain Crowley rituals because I do think he's representing eyeball stuff as well. And there is one of his rituals where you will take the pose of Isis supposedly holding the baby Horus and You're supposed to pinch your nipple and hold it while you do that and act like you're holding a baby. And I did not know. But like, when the mother starts to breastfeed the child, when the baby puts its mouth on that nipple, that nipple actually is connected to the mother's pineal gland. And that pineal gland will start pumping like this light fluid that comes out before the milk does. That's actually going to start regulating the child's pineal gland and start telling it when it's day, what seasons where you are, all that stuff. So, like. Yeah, you're like. Was this dude actually pointing to weird shit like that? I don't know. But I mean, there is stuff where that's a weird connection to me. I never would have thought of that. There is actually. When the baby's sucking on the mother's tit, both pineal glands are basically communicating or exchanging information.

[Curtis]

I mean, that would make sense. I mean, breast milk, one of, like, the healthiest. One of the healthiest things you could probably consume. That's what I've heard.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Colossian. See, somebody even knew Colostrum. Very good.

[Curtis]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. My. My wife tried to save all her breast milk and then we froze it and the power went out and we forgot to transfer it into an ice cooler and it all got wasted, so.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Curtis]

So, yeah, I don't know what we were gonna. I guess. Well, our daughter was still pretty small, so I guess that was, you know. Don't know what some people use it for, but I mean, I'm sure it's healthy. I don't know. Some people may find that weird, you drinking your significant other's breast milk. I don't know. Well, maybe I do, maybe I don't.

[Nick]

I think also depending on if. I don't know. This sounds weird, but I guess if it tastes good, that would make difference too. Like, what if you're like, yo, this is like the best milk I've ever had. Like, that could maybe sway you.

[Curtis]

It could.

[Nick]

Who cares? Tastes great.

[Curtis]

There you go.

[Nick]

But I would think, honestly, I would probably think. I mean, if that's good enough for a baby, to the. That's all it's using to grow. And I would think it's got to be, like, pretty good to use, probably.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Let's see. I'm gonna save some of these pictures so we can. So we can look at them, because I can't believe you have seen these, man. Yeah, the. The Ninth Gate was filmed at a Rothschild mansion called the Chateau de Armoroy.

[Nick]

I'm wondering which character that was for.

[Curtis]

Wait, what?

[Nick]

I wonder which character that was for because he went to a few people's houses that were at big places. I wonder which one. Which one was that?

[Curtis]

Yeah, well, I think it's. It's the main mansion.

[Nick]

I think it might have been Boris maybe.

[Curtis]

I don't know. Yes, yes, I think that was it. Like, dude, now I'm gonna have to go finish the movie tonight.

[Nick]

That's a good movie.

[Curtis]

Yeah, yeah, dude, I, I don't know why I didn't finish it. Maybe my wife walked in and was like, turn that off. But yeah, these, these photos from that party are all super cultic and you got people like Audrey Hepburn there, Elizabeth Taylor, Salvador Dali. Like it's. It was a surrealism party. Right. But the invitations are all like pseudo satanic written backwards and everything. You know, very, very odd stuff. Let me pull up one of these pictures. Real. Let's see. Yeah, dude, let me pull this up. So I, I wanted to read a little bit more of this about this Heinrich Kun Roth dude because I think I've heard someone talk about him. Maybe Juan Brushes with John D. So he is a disciple of Paracelsus, someone that I've learned about. Someone who my wife actually got me to get into. It's very interesting. Man. I'm gonna have to. I have a whole list of some occultists that I'm going to do a few deep dives on. I think that'd be fun. Maybe I can get you on for one.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, this guy Michael Meyer.

[Curtis]

I could definitely help you out with Michael Meyer.

[Nick]

Yeah, actually I have like if you check out the occult. Ready? I have actually a slew of like old occultists. Some were even saints and they were open occultists. I covered a female, Hildegard, she was old open alchemist, considered herself an alchemist or occultist. It covered her cover. Albertus Magnus. Albertus Magnus was an open occultist. He had his own grimoire and supposedly had an Android in the 1200s. I think this happened the 13 or 4 somewhere around there. And Thomas Aquinas, who's another saint of the church, walked into his shop and saw it and got scared and broke it. Supposedly.

[Curtis]

People getting scared of, of the unknown things that they don't know about.

[Nick]

Yo. You can find news articles from the 1700s showing a six year size of a six year old child Android being shown in town square.

[Curtis]

Okay, so when, when, when you say.

[Nick]

Android, the reason we even have the word Android is because of Albertus Magnus because of. Supposedly he had an androidist.

[Curtis]

So were these like, similar to a homunculus or something?

[Nick]

It was supposed to be like a robot type thing.

[Curtis]

And you said.

[Nick]

I. I think this is what I think. I think they were scamming. I think they knew how to manipulate Mercury to make move, and that was all they were doing.

[Curtis]

Interesting.

[Nick]

That's my theory. I don't think it was real kind.

[Curtis]

Of show showing people what they wanted to see, right?

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Because occultists can also be magicians, just like the rabbit in the hat, because they know how to manipulate people through science and stupid basic. Most people don't understand.

[Curtis]

Man. So where. Where did, like, where would you say magic or where did it originate from? What. What are the root origins of it?

[Nick]

You know, believe. I. Hard to explain, but it coming into existence, I think is just showing that magic exists. I don't know if that's impossible to get into. I don't know how to explain that. In my opinion. I don't. I'm not sure. Like, I don't want to say that this place is hell, but I don't think it's really the best place that we think it is. And maybe we shouldn't really necessarily be here. I think magic is actually going back to the spirit and going back to source. So to explain your question, it's like, I guess maybe coming back from a magical act is what put us here. That's how it starts out. You know what I'm saying?

[Curtis]

That's a very interesting way to put it, dude. Well, I. I know you had said earlier that you.

[Nick]

For me, magic is separating the soul from the body.

[Curtis]

Okay, okay. And kind of. Kind of. What's the word? Manipulating, I guess, what you can.

[Nick]

Well, it's very basically spiritual alchemy. I mean, you're going to go from a solid to, I guess, something that dissipates and connects. Like, I believe that my opinion from the experiences that I've had, I do think it's like some sort of form of collective consciousness that you kind of connect to. Because, you know, a lot of people have like the same visuals that happens. And like, that would explain why some people have the same ideas about architecture all over the world without being able to tell each other.

[Curtis]

Oh, dude. Yeah. And I've talked about that a lot, especially in this community. You find synchronicities with almost everyone, usually right before you do a podcast with them. Right. That's. That's what I found to be true. But let me pull up some of these pictures. I Was going to show you. Before we get off this topic, I've been trying to.

[Adrian]

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[Curtis]

Dude, Streamyard takes way too long sometimes to.

[Nick]

Oh, using obs right now.

[Curtis]

No, no, no, no. I. I'm trying to. Trying to learn. It almost seems damn near impossible. So I'm gonna pull this folder up. Maybe we can go to each picture. And that's another thing with MacBooks. Like, I don't know, it's harder to make slides on here, I think. But maybe, just maybe I can get this to bigger. So we had planned on talking about the.

[Nick]

It's the black sun of the eclipse and those experiences.

[Curtis]

Yes, yes. The.

[Nick]

Get into that.

[Curtis]

The song Garten, from what I saw, what, what it was called to. I think you talked about like the Nordic.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's like. Yeah, I knew what you were trying to get at.

[Curtis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

It's like one of the names for their version of it. With the black sun.

[Curtis]

Can this thing close? Okay, I don't know what's happening there. Like I said. All right.

[Nick]

One thing I even want to put out there before I even get into this stuff, when it came to. With these experiences that I'm going to say that I have now, it's a repeating visual and experience like feeling too. That always happens before I believe I have a magical experience across the abyss. And every time that I've had these experiences, I've never Done a ritual. I mean, I've done rituals in the past. Believe me, I did tons and tons and tons for years and years. But this all happened just from due to meditation, grounding, you know, doing certain practices with my eyes closed, and then, you know, kind of getting into, you know, a meditative state. And this all happens from meditation. And again, this was prior Covid. I had stopped probably smoking weed for about 15 to 17 years. And because of COVID and how crazy people were, I was like, there's no way I can deal with this sober. I'm going to start smoking weed again. So, like, I'm straight up. Covid caused me to start smoking weed again because I was like, are crazy and I'm gonna have to be stoned and just, like, cool with a lot of shit I normally wouldn't be cool with because I'm gonna fucking spaz too, you know, I just couldn't do. It was just out in New York. It was just insane.

[Curtis]

At one point, I can't imagine living.

[Nick]

Up there, people with stores were mandating, like, vaccines, even though it wasn't mandated. The stores were just doing it themselves. And I was like, yo, I can't even go get sushi because these Asians that came over here with masks on and scared to death are scared to death of COVID now. Wow, dude, that was another thing. Where I lived, there were Asians. There were Chinese, specifically. Fucking Chinese people there for years with the mask on. Dude, you'd be driving in Astoria or even better, Main street and Flushing, and all you see is a wave of fucking masks. I was. When I moved out there, I was like, yo, what the fuck's going on with these men? I had to ask my wife because she was from Queens. I was like, yo, why is people walking around with masks on? And she's like, oh, they're afraid of breathing in the air. It's the Chinese. So, like, when this happened in New York, we were already had this in our faces to be scared of breathing in the air from a whole generation of people here. They're just moving. So, like, as crazy as this sounds, it really. It was very acceptable for New York. It almost even makes you wonder, like, it was like, they take advantage. Like, did they take advantage of that?

[Curtis]

Absolutely. I think it was to the point.

[Nick]

Kids were in school with those masks and Japanimation shit on it. They were, like, wearing it as, like, a thing to look cool already before this shit happened. That's why I found it so weird. I was like, yo, it's like, in Queens. In Queens, we already had people already rocking the masks. Like, it just seemed like such an easy conversion.

[Curtis]

Like a pre. Pre programming sort of thing, probably.

[Nick]

It was really weird. Yeah. When I watched that happen, it was weird.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Dude, you see that down here. I. I live in Mississippi, bro. And yeah, there's people down here that still have masks on. It's like, what are you so afraid of?

[Nick]

Yeah, even. Yeah, even in North Carolina. I was surprised when I got here. Every once in a while you still see somebody with a mask.

[Curtis]

I don't think they'll ever take them off.

[Nick]

No. At this point. At this point, I hate to say it. I think they're mentally scarred and they're not going to. They're scared to death or they're off and they're just. They're just running with us.

[Curtis]

So. Excuse me, Where.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, you want me to start this stuff? The.

[Curtis]

Yeah, well, we. We were going to talk about this. Where. Where did this originate?

[Nick]

That would be totally honest with you. I couldn't even tell you really, because.

[Curtis]

This is the only. This is to me, this only because.

[Nick]

Like, I do think this stuff is a lot, lot older. You'll see shit like almost like this engraved in like, caves and stuff. So, like, you know, I guess like whoever I want to hate, I'll say that they started the symptom.

[Curtis]

Well, yeah, it's. It's all. It's. It's like that with a lot of symbolism. It's like it comes from a much ancient culture and someone finds it and they basically use it for whatever meaning they, you know, they.

[Nick]

I. I am almost positive though, I could be wrong. I think your chat would probably know. I'm almost positive that was like on the floor of like hinren. Heinrich Himmler's like, whatever. That castle that he had. Yeah, yeah. Pretty sure he had that, like in the middle where he had certain flames burning for people that had died before them too, kind of like around. Around the room as well. It was probably a big ritual room.

[Curtis]

That's what I was gonna say. I think this is somewhat of a sigil.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, right. And again, like I've said, like, when I get into my experience with the crossing the abyss, every time I do see something that looks like a swastika, I mean, I'll get into it and explain how that happens, but.

[Curtis]

Oh, yeah. Well, you look at that and you see the earlier use of the swastika was actually. It was used in many ancient cultures to say universal piece. Right. Many different things. So it's like, someone took it and subverted it. That. I think that's what happens with a lot of symbols.

[Nick]

Azoff Battalion. Sometimes you'll catch them wearing this, too.

[Curtis]

Yes, yes. I was gonna say Nazis. Well, yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Curtis]

You'll see that with a whole lot of National Socialists. And I don't think half of them really know where it comes from, you know?

[Nick]

Oh, no, I don't think so either. I don't think so. You know, it's a wild thing when we had that popping off with the Ukraine war, if people were to pay attention. And like, a lot of times, like, it wasn't. It didn't matter if it was cnn, msnbc, or fox. A lot of the footage we got was originally coming from the Azoff battalion. And now if they're wearing Nazi symbolism or occult symbolism, you're really gonna trust what the fuck they're showing you on video.

[Curtis]

Right?

[Nick]

You should. Because my opinion, that's part of Nazis is actually. It's. It's a cult and it's part of Mind the Masses.

[Curtis]

Okay, okay.

[Nick]

Which is another reason why I think it's tied into NASA, because that's all a bunch of too.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Which was started by Warner Von Braun, right? Yeah. That's a very deep rabbit hole to go down, dude. Jay Brooks said. Zielinski said there were no Nazis in Ukraine, though. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yo, like, look at. If you look into, like, all right, the Azov Battalion, these are people that are, like, basically citizens of the country or who knows where the they came from. But technically, if you want to go by the story, these are basically normal people that came together and created their own militia. They are not from the fucking government. And you want to explain to me how they have matching fucking uniforms? How much money are these motherfuckers really pulling out of their own pockets so they can look like GI Joe together? And their friends. That shit's being. Someone's paying for that.

[Curtis]

Someone's paying for that.

[Nick]

Get the out of here with that.

[Curtis]

And it's probably the people that have, you know, been funding both sides of every war, right?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. It's just. That's like another thing. If you look at Vietnam, you had living in mud houses. Mud houses. But yet they had to shoot down helicopters with.

[Curtis]

Yes, they had it stored under the mud.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's like, yo, you can't even afford to eat, like, actual meat. Like, you're eating mud, but you got fucking rocket launches.

[Curtis]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Is it coming from.

[Curtis]

Yeah. And you see, you know, a lot of these accelerationist groups being funded by what you were saying earlier, these three letter agencies and I mean, I, I do think those tie into these, these secret societies. As, as well, Sharon said Soros. Yes, Sharon. Yeah, that's one of them, one of many. Ukraine is new Israel. Yeah, I think there's something there, Doc. Shelley. I think there may be something.

[Nick]

Set it up with Ukraine and Israel.

[Curtis]

Yeah, something. There is something. And dude, it's crazy because you, we talked about, I talked about this last night. You know these, the sigil or the hexagram of Solomon. Right. That is known as the star of David. That existed long before David.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yo, in the streets you used to see the swastika and the Star of David spray painted or put on the wall together.

[Curtis]

Yes.

[Nick]

Before started popping off.

[Curtis]

Well, you know, and I know you probably know a thing or two about the Kabbalah as, as well. You know, a lot of mysticism stems from there, especially the duality aspect of it. Right. So who's not to say that some groups were using both of these symbols?

[Nick]

You know, I think Hitler went after the Masons because he knew that they, certain ones understood occultism. And he didn't want anybody knowing it because he even went after secret societies.

[Curtis]

Wow. I haven't looked into that, but I, I.

[Nick]

During World War II, Italy went over to Ethiopia. And now at the time you mentioned Solomon before, this is what made me remember. Yeah, at the time the guy. I forgot the person's name. Whoever was in charge of the country actually thought they were from the bloodline of Solomon. And that's why you were in charge of the country. And they went there and stole religious relics. The lion of Judah and a obelisk. This always occult. This was all occultism going on. So like there was literally a dude because of his blood and thinking he was a descendant of Solomon, was in charge of a country. Ethiopia. What the is that?

[Curtis]

Yeah, dude. I mean, well, you know the thing with Ethan, Ethiopia. That's where the first manuscript of Enoch was found. Right. You have Enoch 1, 2 and 3. I believe it's one that was found. Found in, in Ethiopia. And apparently where the. I've heard the Ark of the Covenant is maybe stored. If there is, you know, if, if the Ark of the Covenant is a physical thing, some people have interpreted it to be symbolic, like a lot of things. Let's see, there's a certain church up in Ethiopia. See, I don't wanna.

[Nick]

This a guy who comes on my show sometimes, this guy, Leon Southgate, and he with Oregon and he like charges it and does all he makes cloud Busting and weird guns out of it. Guys, guy's crazy. I mean, in a good way. He's a real nice guy. And he. He swears he thinks the ark of the Covenant. Covenant is something to do with like argon and certain metals that will start creating a certain atmosphere. Like. Like with Oregon and just a few wires and some metal tubes, you can literally start creating clouds and making them burst, you know, cloud busting.

[Curtis]

Is that Oregon Is. Is that related to organite?

[Nick]

Might be. I couldn't.

[Curtis]

I think it may be. Yeah. That's very interesting.

[Nick]

No, if he has that charged in his house and he puts on his dryer. No, not the dryer. I think if the. The washing machine goes into spin cycle, he's got to leave because he says starts getting weird in the house.

[Curtis]

What? So. Okay, okay.

[Nick]

Yo, one time once I listen to this real. This is crazy. This is great. One time he said that there was painters at his house and the. Was like highly charged to even like, he was even like feeling it. Yo, when he comes on the show, you can hear buzzing coming in through his mic because of the argon charge. Don't go in his house. He said that these painters were parked in front of his house and they had these metal pipes sticking up from the back. You know, like sometimes they'll have these work trucks and all pipes on them. He said you can literally see above the truck the sky is starting to change and like, looked like a cloud was starting to form. He says, because the Oregon was literally going. Coming out of the house and somehow going up in the tubes and shooting. He thinks, he says right above the truck, you could actually see the sky starting to change. Yo, you imagine seeing some like that and it's, oh, my God, what the is the government doing? And it's some crazy guy next door.

[Curtis]

Some guy who doesn't even. Dude, so have. I don't know what the guy's name was. Maybe somebody in the chat can help me out. The guy that went missing and there was this video going around on tick tock of him in like a hotel room using this. This certain device. And it opens a portal. And you literally see the. What is it, the Sonora Desert or the city of Sedona open up through this portal. And some people said the video is fake. Some people have said that it's real and that the guy went missing, he was a. He was a whistleblower and that yet when he demonstrates this device, it's basically this thing going around in a circle. Like how you were describing the washing Machine. And this, like, small source of light starts to appear, and it opens and opens and opens. Z Man. Z Man. Is that. Is. Is. Is that the guy?

[Nick]

Sounds like a. I don't know, name.

[Curtis]

Let's look that guy up if that is the guy. Let's see, dude. Rosslyn Chapel. Well, that's in Ireland, but that's one of the places that the Ark of the Covenant is said, may be under as. As well as underneath the Vatican, which I think many mysteries and like, certain texts, maybe certain relics are hidden. To be quite honest with you. I wish I could find that video, dude. Let me see. So back to the black sun. What is what? Okay, well, it's more.

[Nick]

For me, it's more of an eclipse. I. I call it the Black sun. Oh, yeah, it's more of, like an actual. An actual.

[Curtis]

That's. You think that's what you think it represents?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. So, like. All right, I guess I could get into it, like, again, you know, this is just through meditations. You know, when it. When it first happened, I was, like, just sitting in a chair. Normally when I would meditate, I literally just sit in a chair with a straight back. My legs would be straight and my. My arms would be down on my legs, pretty much just trying to sit straight and not move, move. And I would go through like, certain, like, visuals or breathing techniques to try to, like, get myself in. To, you know, I guess slow down. And, you know, sometimes I would focus on chakras and do chakra work and kind of like go up and down my body, right? And then, like, I would go eventually, you know, meditate and go into, like, whatever I guess I'm trying to think about or whatever. And I remember, like, one other time when I was pushing hard on my third eye. It did look like. It seemed like it, like, made my vision darker. And I had thought about that and, like, as I was, like, kind of, like, meditating, I was, like, holding, like, my third eye chakra, like, kind of focusing or pushing on, like, my forehead, and it would get like, you know, like. I don't know. Do you meditate?

[Curtis]

Actually, I have meditated at times, to be honest with you. I. I. Lately I can't find the time to have. I know it's to do anything, but I have meditated before. Yes.

[Nick]

All right, so, like, maybe some people who, who have, like, sometimes, like, when you first close your eyes, it isn't as dark as it will be, like, maybe 20 minutes later when you're kind of like, Getting into a meditation. So, like, it was already dark, you know, with my eyes closed for a while. And then you accidentally. No. So, yeah, I'm sitting there with eyes. My eyes closed and I'm pushing on it. And it will start to look like it starts to get blacker. And eventually, like, it gets like, really black and starts to look like it starts to like, spread out to like. I've said before on other shows that it starts to look like maybe like a black oil coming up out of the ground. Or if, let's say you were like, looking at a black table and you're looking down on it and you want to go like, blow on it. And it didn't look dirty and dusty, but like it was. And like this stuff blew away and it's like even darker underneath the black table. Like, it almost looked like that. Like something black was already coming out of the blackness. And it starts to like, take up my whole vision. And right around it looks like real fine, bright lines of like, solid colors. That would be like, almost like the rainbow kind of like. It would almost look like. You ever see like a oil slick in the road or if there's like water that it almost looks like. Yeah, like around it as it's opening up, as it's growing like the blackness. And then all of a sudden I'll get like this tiny, tiny white, burning pinda. And it like, literally looks like like burning white light. And I don't know really how to explain it. I've tried to use like that viewfinders. As a kid, you had those things that you put on and you change the scene. It would look like 3D, have those little things you stuck in it.

[Curtis]

Yeah, those.

[Nick]

I think they worked how they had like, different things in there to make it look like it was 3D, but it was just basically different. Like, you know, things one behind the next to make it look like kind of like holographic or whatever. It almost looks like that to where it looks like a bright burning light. And then like almost these outlines of like, clouds. It's really hard to explain. It almost looks. Look like curvatures to make the out. Like if you were to draw clouds on a. On a piece of paper, it's just whatever you're drawing, it looks like that kind of just really weird. And it looks like this bright fluorescent white thing. And you kind of just like stare at it, like, almost like. Like you're holding on to it and it starts to get like a little bit bigger. And then like you kind of see start like this black stuff swirling around and then starts to take like form of like a white circle now in front of the white dot. And then it starts to like, if you keep holding it or keep looking at it and focus on it, it gets a little bit bigger and it's obvious to me it looks like an eclipse. And then at that point you'll start to see like explosions almost like around it. And the reason why it looks like explosions, it looks like these flashes of colors. But then it has again, like I was saying, it almost looks like these curvatures that kind of look like clouds. So now it looks like explosions kind of like around the eclipse. And then. Which is exactly why I have my logo the way it is. Then it starts like almost turned to red and it literally starts. My opinion, I think this is even just my opinion. When Aleister Crowley was talking about Rose, Edith Kelly, the chick that he was with, he called a rose. I don't think he was always talking about her and even reasons for that. Real quick, my co host Lisa, went down to the library in Texas where it has handwritten notes on the vision and the voice by Crowley. And he's actually literally in there in his notes doing the gematria on the word rose and trying to figure out how to put her in places. So it's not always about her, in my opinion. I do think this possible rose stuff is where it starts to look like Rose bursting around the eclipse because it looks like red and you see all these curvatures and almost like look like roses opening up.

[Curtis]

Is that tying to the scarlet woman?

[Nick]

I. I do think that's quite possible as well.

[Curtis]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Curtis]

And was this the. This he talked about this. I guess her name was Rose. This was the lady who was with him when he was doing these, these certain rituals right in. In the king's chamber?

[Nick]

Yes, yes, yes, he was with her.

[Curtis]

Okay.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Curtis]

Now do you think he may have been just talking about.

[Nick]

My opinion? I had actually wondered. That whole thing with the book of the law and supposedly her being the go between. In my opinion, division that I see is to go between both worlds.

[Curtis]

Interesting.

[Nick]

So how do I know, like he my opinion. A lot of stories about Crowley, I think a complete. I don't think he really climbed that mountain either. You just gotta pay to say you did.

[Curtis]

I can't say that's what it is.

[Nick]

I wanna, I want people to know who I am. That's. That's the whole thing sometimes in magician. I mean, that's why, that's why Elon Musk is so Powerful.

[Curtis]

He's.

[Nick]

He's got a folder and practically, probably almost everybody's head alive in this world. You know what I'm saying? Like, the more people know who you are, the better it is for a magician, you know? So sometimes I think Crowley did just so his name got put out.

[Curtis]

That would make sense.

[Nick]

Yeah. But a lot of his other tales too. If you look at it in a cult sense, I think he's actually telling you an occult story. I don't think the shit's real.

[Curtis]

Oh, dude. Nancy, my. My. One of my main patrons. Nancy. Beautiful person. Thank you, Nancy. Thank you. She found the video, so we're gonna pull that up. Dude, you're. You're gonna. I. I think you will. I think you'll like this. I think you'll like this. Gateway to Sedona. Here we go.

[Lisa]

Intone generator set to 528, which is developed by Thomas P. Snelski. Thank you, Thomas. I notice here it can be used for science experiments, I would say. So. Go ahead and play. That so purifies.

[Nick]

Oh, I might have seen this there.

[Curtis]

You probably have.

[Lisa]

Before anything happens up here. I also have another tone generator set to 525. And I'm about to show you what will happen with that. Things happen much quicker when you're using pure tones rather than the other stuff I was using on YouTube, which had, like, sounds mixed in with it. There we go. 528.

[Curtis]

I think it starts spinning and already.

[Lisa]

You can see a much more stable fracture. Okay, I have to do this quick because this stuff does not last. 525. You can see there's a hole range of tones here, but 525, you're gonna hear. I hear the fluctuation there.

[Curtis]

Okay, so he's using sound frequency. I. I may be thinking of a different video. This is the one. Well, this is the one that I was talking about, but I think I'm thinking of a different one. This is so incredible, but at the same time very terrifying.

[Nick]

That's if that was real.

[Lisa]

Where that is, I do is in Sedona, and it is a well known yo.

[Nick]

I would throw something through it.

[Curtis]

Yes. I wish he would have done that phenomenon.

[Lisa]

There's several of them there. And you are witnessing a. A gate, portal, wormhole, Stargate, whatever you want to call it. From this bedroom to another state.

[Nick]

Using.

[Lisa]

The mixture of two solid tones.

[Curtis]

Incredible.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's what. That's wild.

[Curtis]

Yeah. The thing is, it's not the first time I've heard of Sedona being A place of, like, high strangeness. Right? A. A lot of things like this happening there. And I mean, I. That look.

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[Curtis]

What'S up, Lisa? Good to see you.

[Nick]

Of course.

[Curtis]

But yeah, dude, that. Yeah, I don't know, I. I figured you'd think that was pretty interesting.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah. That is wild. I mean, if it's real. I mean, I don't know. I mean, unfortunately, you got to take.

[Curtis]

These things with a grain of salt, right? Yeah, I'd like to believe it's real, but that doesn't mean it's real.

[Nick]

I mean, damn. Like, like I was saying, even, you know, Lisa, she was on the show with Leon. Some of the stuff he says he does, he's being truthful. And I'm not sure, if I showed up at his house, he'd show me everything anyway, which is quite possible. May happen one day. He's actually has like some weird shit go on like, like paranormal effects from Oregon charging it. So, I mean, who knows into that, man? Who knows what's going on?

[Curtis]

I can believe it, bro.

[Nick]

I mean, he's saying it's to the point to where if he lays down next to it and he asks questions in his head, it's giving him answers. And Oregon, Oregon is considered like, even in the scientific world. I mean, this guy's actually published real papers, scientific papers. Like, he's not. He's not an idiot. Like, he's actually published work. I mean, they do look at it as kind of like almost like the essence of life.

[Curtis]

Do you think he may be connecting with. With other certain types of deities or something? Maybe, or.

[Nick]

I don't know, man.

[Curtis]

There's no telling. Yeah, Yeah, I definitely.

[Nick]

I definitely would love to go.

[Curtis]

That's why this stuff is so fun to look into and question. Bro, now you pulled up something right here.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. That was something I was going to show later on. That's like kind of like it something that I had somebody do for me. It's. It's kind of redoing the image. One of the images get to. So, yeah, so now, yeah, I have this eclipse and I have all these explosions, and it looks like the rose and all that stuff. Then these colors start coming out from like the four cardinal directions kind of, in a sense, four directions. And it's always like either like red, red, blue, green, or purple. And we'll start to like spin. Like, it almost looks like it's spinning out of the eclipse, you know, and at first it will start to look like a swastika, but then eventually it does. It's like these little bright, like thin burning lines. Again, it's almost. It almost look. Looks like thermal cam light, believe it or not. Like, it's very different. And so, like now it looks like you have all these colors, like the rainbow bridge. Some people do call this the rainbow bridge, where it's like. It's just like kind of like spiraling. It almost looks like vibrating, like past you. The swirl. And then it starts to go into like sacred geometry. Like all these geometric shapes spinning, flying past you. Like, just like, you know, just tons of different ones just flashing in front of me with the eclipse there still. Then after that happens, this thing pops up. If you want to show it on the bottom.

[Curtis]

Okay.

[Nick]

Where now the eclipse will start to look like. My opinion, the easiest way to explain it was film cells or if you're in a. If you're like in a train station or a subway and you're standing on the platform and two trains are coming past you at the same time, but really slow. And you're looking into the, like the car windows. It's a different scene. So you'll start to see this eclipse and all of a sudden it looks like these sepia, which is why I had him use the sepia image. Almost like I. I do think this is large claim, but I do think it's quite possible when John Lennon and Lana Del Rey talk about cellophane skies. Because to me, these windows look like sepia, cellophane. And there's like just. They're just slowly going. Coming past you. And they all have like different scenes. I don't know if it's different times, places, they. For some reason, at One point. I've never really paid attention to him too much because I was pretty much just really stuck on the eclipse.

[Curtis]

But once your memory open up, you think, like.

[Nick]

I don't know, man. I have wondered that. It's like, is this like. You know how they say you'll watch your life flash past before your eyes?

[Curtis]

I was just about.

[Nick]

I was like, is this that. Is this different times in space that maybe I can choose, like, what that guy was showing right there? Is it something almost like that? But, like, one time, I was actually very interested in one of the windows. And whenever I have this experience, it's not like my body's not there. It's just like an image that I'm seeing. So it was almost like I kind of like, floated forward a little bit and turned it to the side, you know, it was like I was moving the angle of, like, what I was viewing. And I, like, looked into one of these, you know, cells, windows. And, like, to me, like, I joke because, like, I really couldn't tell, but, like, the difference but, like, it was like, it could have been Arizona or after a nuclear fallout. It just looked like, you know, fucking desert and rocks. And I was like, this stuff doesn't look cool. So, yeah, for some reason, I'm thinking to myself, this doesn't look interesting. I don't think I want to go there. And then all of a sudden, it was over with. And that's another thing, too. When I get to the end of my magical experience, as soon as I start thinking of things or self, it ends. Right. So that's something to think about.

[Curtis]

Like, you snap back into it.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Curtis]

Reality. Yeah.

[Nick]

So now I have these. So pretty much looks like this. I mean, Mario, when he did the artwork, he made it like, the cells are a little congruent. It kind of is showing a whole scene. But again, like, what I'm saying, each one of those things could look completely different.

[Curtis]

Absolutely.

[Nick]

They start coming, and then they go for a bit, and then they stop. And then that black ball circle starts lifting straight up off of the round eclipse, off of the round white dot again that I saw earlier. It starts, like, taking off of it, coming up off the top. As soon as it starts to slowly move. It looks just like the top of Toth's headdress, the crescent and the sun looks just like that. If you start removing the white, the black from the front of the white, you're gonna see the bottom. White's gonna crescent. It's gonna show. So it's slowly coming up and then as soon as it separates the white balls, like. Like it's like looking down the barrel of a gun, I guess, pulling the trigger. Bam. And all of a sudden, somewhere else, not even here. At that point now, at that point, I start getting physical feelings. Like, around this point when you see this in my body will start to feel like. Like going from my toes up, almost like it's starting to, like, disappear where I feel, like, the energy rising. So, like, let's say if I got to my knees, anything below my knees doesn't actually feel like it's there anymore. I started, like, feeling that, like, energy or something inside me is rising up and everything's starting to disappear. And it's like feeling like it's storing up in the rest of my body. And then eventually I'll go deaf. Sound like there's no sound and.

[Curtis]

Right.

[Nick]

No, like, nothing sound at all.

[Curtis]

Wow.

[Nick]

No. Which is actually. Because then after. Honestly, after this, I think technically I'm seeing sound and not hearing. That's my theory. Because birds can actually do that too.

[Curtis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

So, yeah, where was I going? Yeah. So I'll start feeling it, like, rising up in my body. And then all of a sudden it'll feel like this. Like, I use this as an example. If I was laying on the beach and I was, like, slaying on the sand and the waves crashed and the water started going up the sand. If somehow the water was able to go through my feet and run through my body. It literally feels like you just feel. It's the most insane feeling. Like a stream of water just trickling and running through you. And then all of a sudden, it all builds up to the top of my head. And then, like, right every time, right where the Jew cap is, it feels like my soul starts to slip. Like you literally feel like you're pulling out of your body. And all of a sudden it's like you feel like. Like almost like you're dripping, like you're becoming weightless. It's like your. Is melting off of you. And you start to feel like you get stretched out in all directions. And then all of a sudden, like a burst. And I feel like I'm just like butterflies, like, bursting into a million butterflies. You feel like this trembling, like, going through you. And all of a sudden, like, that's, like, no sound anymore. Totally seeing something as crazy as it is. Sometimes it looks like that NASA's showing you, bro.

[Curtis]

It sounds like you had a DMT experience, bro.

[Nick]

And exactly what it.

[Curtis]

Nowhere else to talk about that, but you know, that's. It's very similar to what you're talking about.

[Nick]

Some people tell me that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And then after that, like all I feel like after that happens, it just feels like all of a sudden this immense, immense feeling of like it's gonna sound cheesy, love, but nothing like I've ever felt in this existence. It's a million times stronger than anything.

[Curtis]

That doesn't sound cheesy.

[Nick]

Any drug. No. Harder than any. I mean, 10 times stronger than any nut I've ever busted. Any drug I've ever done. It's no feeling I have ever experienced. Here.

[Curtis]

Sound. Sounds like you hit the crack rock.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. I got a bell ringer.

[Curtis]

He sounds like that sounds like a little bit more, man. It sounds like a little bit more.

[Nick]

But yeah, yeah, it. It literally feels like. Like an immense and immense feeling of that. And like there's no thought of guilt, no thought of shame. I have no anxiety. There's no fear. I literally am like almost in this experience, not even thinking of anything. I'm just feeling. And it just feels like. And it's as cheesy as it. It's like you're in love with just existing and being in this moment and just being a part of it. There's like no thoughts on your mind. I'm not thinking about, you know, smoking a joint, getting laid, fucking, you know, a car, my iPhone. It's really. It's. It's an insane and insane feeling and there's nothing I've ever experienced like that.

[Curtis]

Is it like you were maybe becoming one with the creator?

[Nick]

Well, that's. I mean, that's what I say. Like, I think we actually connect to like a, you know.

[Curtis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Because after the fact, once these things, like, again, normally, wherever, I guess wherever I'm envisioning I am, I start to wonder like, oh, where am I? Who am I? What am I doing? And then I come out of it. But after that happens, no lies. And you sound cheesy as. But it's like almost like the Matrix, but not the Matrix. When he was like, Neil's like, oh, I know kung fu now. You will open up your eyes and you'll start to understand stuff you've never fucking understood before. Things in your head are going to start being like. Visions and thoughts are going to start realigning. It's like your brain got rewired and you're going to start saying, like, how the fuck did I never see that before? Like, all of a sudden, things in tarot and Kabbalah. I was confused on. Started, like, showing me the answer in my head. And, like, I just started, like, understanding and seeing different things. And this is when. No lie this for me, this is when the judgment comes in. Because, like, if I just actually had a magical experience, and to me, a magical experience is having an experience with God and I'm coming back with a gift and understanding that I didn't understand before, and I decide to be a fucking piece of about it now I'm fucked to me that I got to do the next right thing after that experience and try to tell the other people that it's out there for them to experience as well, not to start making up fairy tales to sell the people listening to podcasts.

[Curtis]

Right. That sounds like you're. You're kind of given two paths similar to, like, the left and right hand path. Right. And you kind of got to take one. When. When you were having this experience, you had mentioned rainbows. That kind of kind of reminds me of the chakras. Right. If, you know, each chakra has a. Has a color that, you know, is representative of it.

[Nick]

I think a lot of. Sometimes the stuff, like, again, like how I said there was, like, those different colors in the back of my coming out.

[Curtis]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Sometimes I do wonder if certain things I'm seeing due to what's in our eyes as well. Because when you start getting into the back of your eye, because your eye changes too with. With all this stuff going on, I believe, you know, you have the cones and rods back there and you're going to have red, green, and blue regardless. You know, these, like, little things in the back of your eyeball. Anyway, so it's just like, certain colors and certain things going on. I actually wondered if it was, like, even kind of like, going on with the light going out in my eyes. Wow.

[Curtis]

Dude.

[Nick]

Because, like, really, my opinion, I do think that's part of, like, magic is like, you're gonna close your eyes and the light's gonna. You're taking it back up into your head to go back up the optic nerve.

[Curtis]

Okay. Yeah. From what you're talking about, man, it sounds similar. Very similar to someone having, like, a very powerful psychedelic experience. Except you.

[Nick]

You took totally sober. Swear to God.

[Curtis]

Totally sober.

[Nick]

No way. Yeah. That's like. I mean, listen, I'm not against drug use. I mean, I smoke weed all the time, you know, and it's up to, you know, whatever. It's your own body, your own choice. But I. I don't. I just. For me, I don't Think it's necessary for magical experiences. I've never had to do it.

[Curtis]

Yeah, it's been a long time for me. Nancy was asking. I need to keep up with these comments, man. And see, I'm not. Has Nick ever read Robert Mont Monroe's Journey out of the Body?

[Nick]

Yo, I think that stuff is on point. The.

[Curtis]

Right.

[Nick]

I've. I've used their tapes since my magical experiences we covered. Actually, we covered this in, like, the first year of the Occult Rejects. We did a few episodes on the Gateway Project. I used those tapes for a minute and went through a few of them, like, as you're supposed to go through them. And after a few of them, I was like, yo, those feelings that I told you I was. I would experience, that could be like 30 minutes into me meditating. This was starting to happen in like, 10, 15 minutes with these tapes. I definitely think those takes. Tapes work, and I think they will actually speed up the process of having a magical experience. So that's my opinion. But again, I don't know. Like, I don't. I don't. Whatever. I don't know if you're kind of like, under somebody else's thing or is it you? I don't know. It's just like. Well, I guess what I'm getting at. What I'm trying to get at is like, I'm not a big proponent on rituals anymore. One, because I. As cheesy as it is, I do think they're actually just reenacting your eyeball. But I do think a lot of it is like, kind of like mumbo jumbo in a sense. Like. And do I. If. When I'm doing this ritual, how do I know where I'm really putting myself in? Because this is somebody else's work. I'm using somebody X's formula. So I guess, like, what I'm getting at with the other thing, like, how do I know with the Gateway tapes, you know, are you really that free to your own experience? Are they kind of giving you the experience they want you to have? And I'm trying to, like, it's kind of like mind it, but, you know, no, dude. But what I'm getting at is it my opinion it will work, I think, because I definitely started feeling things that I only feel when I have a magical experience. I started feeling those physical feelings from these tapes, and I was like, oh, good to go. And I stopped using them. I was like, oh, yep, you can definitely get something out of this. And I was like, I'd rather do it on my Own.

[Curtis]

Yeah. So have you, you know. Who? Chris. Chris. What's his last name? Bledsoe. Oh, yeah, the UFO of God book and all that. Dude, it's. It's incredible. I've always wanted to. To get him on the show. He's pretty hard to get in touch with. He's. Him and his son, right? Ryan Bledsoe. He has the Bledsoe Said so podcast. They actually have something they're doing with the Monroe Institute, like a study, I think. I. I'd love to have those guys on. They're. They're pretty hard to get in touch with. But you see comment I was going.

[Nick]

To pull up.

[Curtis]

So.

[Nick]

Yeah, those Gateway tapes, I think. I think you do Hemi, like, in a sense, you need head to Hemi sync as well.

[Curtis]

I need to do a deep dive on those, man. I. I don't even think I've listened to those.

[Nick]

Yeah, the government in those papers, if they're, you know, legit. I mean, they actually admit some weird. Due to. Due to studying this stuff. I think they actually like, kind of say that they think like they're basically living in a matrix.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Like a simulated reality which, you know, people will argue all day that it's. I really think it's what you kind of perceive it as. You know, it's the same thing with flat and hollow earth to me. Like, sometimes I always think the truth is in the middle of a lot of things, you know, and so we know perception is reality, right? So these things matter. But see, so back to. There was something.

[Nick]

Oh, one time. One time I. With this. Like, one time I. After my experience. After you're done with it or after you have these experiences.

[Curtis]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, I do think that might take a little bit of a toll on your body. Kind of like one time I did it three times in a week. Because I will say I was. I haven't done it in a minute. I stopped because I was like, yo, this. I'll be honest, it's kind of addictive. It feels amazing. It feels amazing. And. And I'm gonna open my eyes and know shit I didn't know before. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But I ended up having to go. I ended up going to the hospital because I was like, something saying, fucking right. One of my eyes. And this happens every time I do magic. I've even shown it a while ago, I posted my eyes on Twitter and I've like shown people that I co host with or part of the occult rejects. They've seen it where my one Eye will get bigger and the other one will be smaller. Now I could get my eyes to do that. And when I say I don't fuck with magic is I'll put myself up to the moment of those movie reels and I'll cut it off. I don't blast off anymore, but I'll take myself to that extent. Even doing that. When I open up my eyes, sometimes one eye is bigger than the other. One pupil. That shit was like that. And I had an issue with my blood. They had to give me a bag of blood and a bag of ceiling.

[Curtis]

Now, was it your right eye?

[Nick]

My right eye was the smaller one.

[Curtis]

Okay. Because I'm thinking of like your eye of Ra, your eye of Horus, what they're both representative of. Dude, it sounds like you straight up had a DMT trip. Not even tripping.

[Nick]

Well, see, that's the thing. We do have DMT in ourselves.

[Curtis]

Exactly.

[Nick]

Maybe. Maybe using, maybe using your own natural one is like what helps. I don't know.

[Curtis]

I mean, it's stored in our, our mind's eye, in our third eye. Right. And yeah, that and all. I mean, with what you said. You said you had like, you were understanding things that you never understood before. Very similar to coming out of a, like a heroic dose of mushrooms. Like you eat a quarter of mushrooms and you come out of it and you kind of have some gnosis of something else that you didn't have before. Man, I, I find that stuff to be fascinating, especially. I mean, I, I don't think psychedelics are for everyone, especially if you're living on a very low frequency, you know?

[Nick]

Well, it's supposed to become more of an escape. They're more of like. I'm actually trying to like, learn.

[Curtis]

You can abuse them like you can any drug.

[Nick]

Yeah, of course.

[Curtis]

I don't think they're for children. I remember me being a kid and trying LSD and all that stuff and, and not even, not even comprehending why people used it in the first place. Just doing it to, to get, like, to get up. Right? Yeah, yeah. Probably a terrible idea for me to do at that age. I may be considered clinically insane saying at this point, but I don't know.

[Nick]

One thing I do want to add too, for some people who are like, you know, talking about, like, death, go look into like some NDEs, you know, and you might see like some similarities to even like.

[Curtis]

That's something else I was about to bring up, dude, because I think that's.

[Nick]

An easier way to explain to people. So it doesn't sound so scary. Energy.

[Curtis]

What do you think death is?

[Nick]

I think in a sense, that's kind of like what you're experiencing with magic. I think it's death and a rebirth. You leave the physical body and go into spirit.

[Curtis]

And do you think a lot of these rituals are, like, symbolic of that?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. Or putting yourself into the mindset for it. I think so.

[Curtis]

Right.

[Nick]

You know, or even, like, certain things. You know, even if you use music that could already kind of start, like, getting used into, like, depending on the beat, you can already start to be calm, you know? So if you want to slow yourself down, speed yourself up.

[Curtis]

Fatty is.

[Nick]

No, no, no. The pupil, actually, one was 4 millimeters bigger than the other, if that answers your question, dude.

[Curtis]

Noticeable.

[Nick]

And your eye, your pupil does screw closed from 8 to 6, 6 to 4, and 4 to 2. So it's like, I think I had one that was, like, as small as it would be, and then the other one was 4 millimeters bigger.

[Curtis]

Now, when's the last time you had one of these experiences?

[Nick]

Probably about two years ago. When I did the Scarlet Horse series, I wanted, like, be honest with you. I wanted inspiration, and I wanted the energy to do it to help work on the, work on the topic. Because it was about six parts long. I. With magic. Why I was, why I was working on that series. Keeping it, Keeping it real.

[Curtis]

Oh, man, that's. I, I love how.

[Nick]

Not gonna lie about. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie who I am.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Dude, you can come on this show and be yourself. You can talk about whatever. That's what this show is here for. You know, a lot of people are very curious about these things, and to have you, who has had a real life experience with it, come on here and talk about it, dude. It, I mean, I, I, I look forward to what we can do in the future, bro, as far as things. Things that we can talk about, man, because there's a lot packed into this that you want.

[Nick]

Somebody else said like, oh, that's a concussion. It's like, well, how did I get a concussion laying on my bed or sitting in a chair?

[Curtis]

Right? So it's like, do some people have these experiences?

[Nick]

They fall out of the chair and get back in it and then open up my eyes.

[Curtis]

Right, right, right. But, like, can, can that happen to people? And then they end up just having some kind of experience like this.

[Nick]

I wonder, like, get knocked out in boxing.

[Curtis]

They're like, what the. Did I just die?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, I've wondered about that. If people get knocked down and yeah, yeah.

[Curtis]

Oh, curious celtics here. You curious Celtic?

[Nick]

Yeah. This is the game.

[Curtis]

Just one of my trolls. He's a. It's okay.

[Nick]

Everybody's got trolls. I got my own.

[Curtis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. It means you're doing something wrong, right?

[Nick]

The best is when you get, like, the trolls from somebody else's station that just, you know, came across yours and they want to start trolling you now, I guess, because the other. It's like, what the. It's like, yo, you're like, flow, stage troll. Leave me alone.

[Curtis]

Dude.

[Nick]

I miss Bob Saget, you know, Your chat's off. The was cracking me up before. I was trying not to look at it, actually.

[Curtis]

I know it's.

[Nick]

I was like, it's gonna me up. One time I actually paused, I think, because I was reading it. I was like, what? What?

[Curtis]

My rumble chat is some of the most degenerate you could probably come across, man.

[Nick]

That's. I wish I could get my rumble. Like, yeah, I gotta wish I get more people watching it because at least then it could be a little bit more open that, you know, censorship. Like YouTube.

[Curtis]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

YouTube won't let you type in certain. I've noticed. I've had problems, and it wasn't anything bad. And, like, not because of certain words. It won't let you type it.

[Curtis]

Well, you said you got a strike the other day, right?

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Bullshit, man. And, like, it was. What the fuck was the topic even on? Oh, the topic was on Program to Kill. We had Julia from Cosmic beach come on, and, like, somehow we got into, like, the idea of, like, SV40 and Covid.

[Curtis]

Wow.

[Nick]

And, like, just, like, really wasn't hitting it as a Covid, but really just talking about real, accepted, published facts of SV40. I didn't think it was going to be an issue. If anything, after the show was over, I was a little worried about how many times the word pedophile was used on YouTube. I could give two fucks from my own show on every other platform. But I was like, maybe I should take it down, because we did use that word a lot. And sometimes YouTube doesn't get crazy with that. An hour later, it gets taken down. I get a strike for medical misinformation. But that's before. And I was like, what's crazy is none of it was medical misinformation. It was all basically, like. What Lisa and I think Headless talked about was all, like, accepted, published medical facts of it. None of it's conspiracy. It's the only reason we know it is because they told us.

[Curtis]

Yeah. And I mean, dude, you have people on YouTube, like doing breastfeeding videos. And I know we've talking. We've talked about breastfeeding. Piss pilled. But then you, you also. I mean, I'm pretty. I've heard there's some other on, on, on, on YouTube. And you're like, wait, how, how does that get across? But you can't talk about this. Right? It's like, yeah, tell, Tell us we, we weren't right. You know, because you see that more than ever now, man. All this shadow banning and censoring censorship.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, that you. I should have expected. It's my fourth YouTube channel. It's just I haven't had one strike yet the whole two years that I've had this one. So I was like, oh, this is going well. And the interesting thing is the last year or two, I've been sticking more on occultism. Believe it or not. You could talk about that all day. Say the craziest and they don't give a crap.

[Curtis]

But the first time you, you get into a certain.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Curtis]

Subject.

[Nick]

Good. In the last two years, I've had two warnings and there are both, like, somehow William Ramsey could just not. He can't come on my show without bringing up Covid once. And somehow he'll bring up Covid and I'll get a warning. That's the only thing in the last two years I've gotten warnings or strikes for is fucking people talking about COVID I got you.

[Curtis]

We have.

[Nick]

What are you going to do when it comes out that this shit was fucked up? You're still going to strike then? Because they're kind of doing it now. I mean, they are slowly starting to say there's issues with these vaccines. Possibly.

[Curtis]

Yeah. I saw you had William Ramsey on talking about the Hosanna Church.

[Nick]

Yeah. Somehow he didn't bring it up on there. So it's still up on YouTube.

[Curtis]

Wow. Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah. But I don't know if somehow it always. Somehow William Ramsey always has to go back to the facts.

[Curtis]

He came on Already Dead to talk about 09 a one night with me and also.

[Nick]

Oh, the order of nine angles. Yeah, it's another thing.

[Curtis]

Yes, that's. That's another thing. Also one of those accelerationist groups. Oh, what is it? 764. You know what I'm talking about? It's like a satanic subsect of 09A.

[Nick]

Yeah. Were they the ones that were kind of like threatening them and with them?

[Curtis]

Yes, they, they. They get in, like, discords and telegram chats and threaten people and.

[Nick]

But I. I had. I was gonna have him on. I ended up waiting, but I did eventually have him on. I was gonna have him on for that topic. And the time that he was, like, kind of talking about it, he was, like, showing me how, like, there was a few people, like, kind of with him.

[Curtis]

Yes, Yes.

[Nick]

I was like, yo, well, we'll come back to this later.

[Curtis]

Same thing with that. Same thing with bx. That chick. She's a investigative journalist. She. They threatened her and. And her. Her daughter, I think. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Those don't like you talking about.

[Curtis]

Yeah, dude. Well, them. When you look at those groups, they usually link back to the Process Church.

[Nick]

Yo. The Process Church. I do think. I mean, I think some people love blaming them for everything, but I do think they're a lot. A lot more involved than people probably know or whatever.

[Curtis]

I think you're right. But they. They. They could be a scapegoat for some things as well. I think you're right about that.

[Nick]

I mean, one of my favorite. One of my favorite bands, unfortunately, was in the Process Church. Skinny Puppy. They even did an album about it called the Process.

[Curtis]

You're kidding me.

[Nick]

They openly admitted it? Yeah, they were in the Process Church. Yeah. I've had a guy on my show think him and his wife are actually in it. I don't know.

[Curtis]

Holy.

[Nick]

Yeah, they were talking about some weird. He was talking about. If anybody. Anybody wants to hear some weird, go check out my interview with Carl Abramson.

[Curtis]

Yeah, guys, if y'all. Y'all go check out Nick's channel, dude.

[Nick]

This guy came out, admitted some. That I was like, yo, did he just say that, like. Like, him and Genesis Purge were trying to make, like, nine non binary people, like, through rich. Through rituals and surgery. I was so blown away. And, like, I was like, I wasn't coming at the guy and interrogating him. I kind of understood who I had. I was coming on my show. He's also an author, but I know he's. He's. The book that he was promoting is because he personally met Anton lavey, Kenneth Anger, and Genesis P. Orange. It was like him talking about meeting all these people. He used to be, I think, like an eighth or ninth degree oto. So, I mean, this. This guy was up there, and I was just like, I'm just gonna let him talk.

[Curtis]

I have.

[Nick]

I got a drill him or anything, and he started coming out of his mouth. I was like, what the.

[Curtis]

I have this book by Kenneth Nanger and it's, it's pretty crazy, man, the amount of celebrities that were into these dark rituals and weird, weird practices.

[Nick]

I was like, I don't even know where to go with this. And I'm like, maybe I'll just let him talk. Because if I start asking questions, I'd be like, wait, this is an interrogation now. And they'll shut up. You know what I'm saying?

[Curtis]

I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, Shut up.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Curtis]

You have people like Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, Jimmy Saville, all having like, all mentioning the Process Church right now. I don't know if they were reading because Robert de Grimston was printing certain literature and magazines, right? And you have a picture of him with, with Mary Tyler Moore and she's holding up a Process Church magazine. You're just like, what the is this? I can't watch Mary Tyler Moore anymore. You know, like, not that I probably ever did, but you know, you see really who these people are. And I was still going to bring up these pictures from this Rothschild Ball to share with you because you hadn't seen them. But yeah, dude, it's, it's, it's wild.

[Nick]

Because industrial music, the Process Churches pretty much gave us industrial music.

[Curtis]

Okay, that, that, that actually makes sense. I always got those kind of vibes. If I would have known what the Process Church was when I was a teenager, I'd have been like, oh, wow, now I see what a lot of this.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Curtis]

They come from Black Puppy.

[Nick]

It was like one of the, you know, kind of godfathers of a industrial music. And they, like I said, they admit it. They put out an album about it.

[Curtis]

I gotta look into that, dude. Yeah, I think you can buy the Process magazines.

[Nick]

Oh wow.

[Curtis]

On, on ebay. Yeah, I may around and do that and do a special Patreon episode on, on that or something. Let's see. I was gonna bring up these pictures. Is, is there anything else that, that you kind of wanted to talk about before we get out of here in a little bit? Or, or.

[Nick]

I think that was kind of like. That was solid enough. I mean, we talked about a bunch of other things. Anything else? Like if we started getting into the eyeball, that's like a whole other show.

[Curtis]

Dude. This, this was, this is among one of my, my most favorite like probably. Oh, dude, no.

[Nick]

You, yeah, everyone I ever want to talk about anything, man, I'm always down. I'll get you on my show too, dude.

[Curtis]

Oh, dude, I, I love that, man. We do a swap cast.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like, when I get a bunch of people on, I'll just have you say, sometimes I do have people from other shows like, yo, you just want to jump in and hang out. Chime in.

[Curtis]

We got 70 people watching on my. On my Rumble, guys, y'all hit the like button.

[Nick]

Nice.

[Curtis]

I'll hit the like button. Man, I wish if I didn't have.

[Nick]

That strike, I would have been streaming this out on my YouTube.

[Curtis]

How. How many people you have on. On your YouTube anywhere?

[Nick]

I believe in it. Depending on the time of the day, anywhere from like, probably like 70 to like 250.

[Curtis]

Nice.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, the chat. The chat's always. Yo, you could go on. On our chat and YouTube and it's like a. Almost a whole other show sometimes. And like, not in a bad way. Like you actually there's a lot of information being, you know, kind of passed off a lot of people talking about stuff that's on the show. It's like, it's really. It's just the chat itself is informative. I'll throw up. Being said just because I'm like, this is like actually good for the show. Like, this helps.

[Curtis]

That's the thing about my show. Yeah. I've had a few people, a few guests and friends that I've had on. On the show say, dude, your. Your chat is a huge part of.

[Nick]

Oh yeah, for me now on YouTube for sure. I mean, honestly, even probably, you know, I forget about that. I have order audio only. But like I'm even talking about that people on the chat are saying so I mean, it's even affecting what the audio listeners here, you know?

[Curtis]

Yeah. Oh, X comer. Thank you, xcomber, for the five dollar donation. I gotta pull my chat up. I'll always do this. YouTube? Yes, YouTube. Even though we are streaming YouTube right now. Maybe I'll get a strike, maybe not. I don't really care. So Nick was like, you sure you want to stream to YouTube? I was like, I don't really give a. So I'm already shadow banned on there. Anyway, I've said some words on there that I'm sure. Have they. The. The algorithm has missed me completely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A few words. But here, let me pull. Pull these pictures up. I. I did want to. What is going on? Okay. No, is that.

[Nick]

Are you into David. David Lynch?

[Curtis]

Oh, dude, Twin Peak. I mean, you see the.

[Nick]

Oh, you. You're big into Twin Peaks.

[Curtis]

Eraserhead behind me.

[Nick]

Twin Peak, Yeah, I saw Eraserhead. And that's what. Maybe ask you about David lynch in here.

[Curtis]

One of the most esoteric symbolic shows.

[Nick]

Yo, you ever want to talk about that, we could chop that up, bro.

[Curtis]

I would love to. I'm actually gonna do a watch party on my Patreon soon. I have to get my Paramount subscription.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah, Let me know when you do that. I might, I might join you.

[Curtis]

Just join me for that. Yeah, dude, I, I'd love that because there's so much in that. And like, once you get into the show, like, if you just watch the first couple episodes, you're like, ah, this is weird. But when you, if you get into it, and especially if you finish that first season. Oh, dude, it makes, it makes the rest of it so much better, man.

[Nick]

No, there's a part of the second season when they, you know, like, when they have like that board up, like the conspiracy theorist board or whatever, like, and they got all that stuff on it. If you pay attention, I think neither Cooper or the, the chief with a guy is staring out the window and there's a goetic, a sigil from the goetia for Azoth right on the wall, pinned to the wall. I was like, what?

[Curtis]

Okay, See? And not everyone will recognize that.

[Nick]

Yo, I, I was, I was having to just like, I was covering it for my show and I was just like, watching one show and I, I, I had probably seen it a hundred times and literally caught it that one time a few years ago. I was like, oh, look at that.

[Curtis]

My wife wants. Oh, hey, if you've seen the oa.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Curtis]

Yeah, I've. I've found a lot of similarities in between Twin Peaks and the oa.

[Nick]

Yes. I think OA is showing you a lot.

[Curtis]

Oh, yeah, man. Oh, yeah. But twin. Twin Peaks, especially when you get into the White Lodge and the Black Lodge and all that, you're like, okay, what's going on here, dude? And like, the owls are not what they seem. All that stuff, man, packed full of the log lady. The log lady, yeah. Well, every character in the show. It's like there's some hidden meaning behind all of them. Some hidden archetype. Right.

[Nick]

Actually, I totally forgot. Me and headless giant covered away on the.

[Curtis]

Really? Dude, man, that, yeah, that's a, that's.

[Nick]

A, That's a bugged out show. And I do think it's kind of showing you a lot.

[Curtis]

My opinion, I, I think it may be showing you a lot of what's happening in, in the real world.

[Nick]

Look, my opinion. Flatline is as real.

[Curtis]

That movie is awesome.

[Nick]

If you think about it, that's exactly kind of like what I'm saying, I think that you're doing with a magical experience. That would be just like a cheat code. Look at away. I mean, the guy's drowning the.

[Curtis]

Yeah. And that's like.

[Nick]

Kills him and brings them back.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Symbolism for the rebirth, right? These rebirth rituals that you see and. And all these mystery schools here. I'm gonna pull up one of these pictures. So you. You've never seen these pictures from. From this Yule ball, you said?

[Nick]

I don't think so.

[Curtis]

This was in 1972 at a Rothschild mansion. You had all these people there. Actresses, painters. Like I said, Salvador Dali put on the whole ex exhibition. As in.

[Nick]

Oh, he's. I definitely think he was an occultist.

[Curtis]

Oh, dude, completely.

[Nick]

He did some for Disney that was cult as.

[Curtis]

Everything in Disney is a cult, bro. Yeah, everything. Every movie we watch, like, we were watching that Doug Days, the. The Dog from Up with. With My Daughter. And in the intro, the address to the house is 333. And you're like, okay, but that's not a coincidence, right?

[Nick]

It's an Alice. The Crowley book too. 333, the book of Lies.

[Curtis]

I don't know if we can watch that show anymore. I'm just kidding. Like in. In this picture, for instance, you see tons of symbol of Saturn symbolism. You see? I mean, chick's almost got like a.

[Nick]

Janice, but almost like a Hecate face going on.

[Curtis]

It's funny you mentioned Janice. I talked about Janice last night with Brandon Crow, and we are in the month of January. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

What was this for again?

[Curtis]

What? Oh, this. This was. Okay, so let me bring up some reason. It won't let me make like a slideshow, so I have to pull each picture up. This was a ball for Baron G. De Rothschild.

[Nick]

You say Baron?

[Curtis]

Yeah. Right. Baron Trump may have been there. I don't know. He is a time traveler. So that's Bear.

[Nick]

Oh, I've seen this.

[Curtis]

You've seen this, right? This is D. Roth child. Real creepy. Now, on his hat, you see a lot of stuff symbolizing. Like he has an egg on his hat, which you could tie into the. The Orphean Mysteries. You can tie into what we were talking about. Rebirth, the Osirian Mysteries. And his wife, Marie Helene de Rothschild. Marie Helene de Rothschild. One of the first things I did when I. When I woke up was dive down into these. These bloodlines and like, really dive into each person in the bloodline. And yeah, these. This couple is by far the most occultic, creepiest. He is the creepiest patriarch in. In the family that they're ever way creepier than Jacob Rothschild, in my opinion.

[Nick]

As you kind of wish I had. I had her. I would wear that.

[Curtis]

That.

[Nick]

Dude, I would have wore that on his show.

[Curtis]

Pretty cool Halloween.

[Nick]

Oh, God.

[Curtis]

Dude, that'd be a cool Halloween outfit, bro. Apparently, the tears are made from real diamonds.

[Nick]

Get out of here.

[Curtis]

Yeah, man, I. I want. Want to find this other picture. Let me. Like I said, I need to start making like. See, I didn't know we would be talking about this, but, like, right here, this. Okay. What's this doing Streamyard? I can't. Right here with the Osirian symbolism, all the Egyptian mystery schools. You see this? The scarab beetles, right? The. And then he has, like, the faces all around him like that other chick did. This guy is actually Baron Alexis de Rede from the Netherlands. I think he is of Dutch royalty, I'm pretty sure the Netherlands. And. And when you look into the Netherlands or oh, what is it, not Denmark. Thinking of the mothers of darkness in Mark. Mark Dutroux and. And all that stuff, it's a whole different rabbit hole. But a lot of these royal families from this area of Europe are tied into this occultism. And. And you see this guy has an egg on his hat, too. There you go. And you could tie that into the homunculus into a bunch of things. But, yeah, very prominent people in society and around the world. Here's some more pictures I can pull up. I used to have all of them saved on a folder. Now let me show you what the dinner table looked like. You're gonna think this is real fucking creepy. And I was gonna do like a. What's it called? Like a re. Like a. A second deep dive on. On this. This was like my second episode that I. Like a year ago, basically. But I. I guess we're. We're kind of doing that now. This was at the dinner table, right? Yeah. Very, very creepy. There. There's a lot more that has to do. You see, like I said, a lot of Saturn symbolism in. In this. A lot of. Some green man symbolism, such as this guy right here. There's. I used to have, like. I don't know what happened to the folder that I had, but I had all these pictures basically. A lot bigger. Yeah, Lisa did. Yeah. She said, nick, invitations were written in mirror script. Yes, yes, yes. See if I can find that picture. But, dude. Yeah. And this is because you had brought up the Ninth Gate earlier. This is.

[Nick]

Yeah. We've also talked about other people using mirror scripts recently that we thought Were. Yeah.

[Curtis]

And this was the Ninth Gate was filmed in this mansion, like. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, when you think of Roman Polanski and how big of a piece of he is, you're like, you know what else was happening? There's Audrey Hepburn with her head in a bird cage. That's not symbolic of MK Ultra. I. I don't know what is. I. I don't know if it ties into bird symbolism or not. That's a whole. That's. That's a whole nother rabbit hole as well. Where's. Where's Liz Taylor? Where's old Liz Taylor?

[Nick]

It's just weird how the Mirror script thing. Yeah, sorry, I'm, like, stuck on there now. That was, you know who. Lewis Carroll. Alice in Wonderland.

[Curtis]

Right, right, right.

[Nick]

He did Mirror script, and I'm almost positive, I think Crowley ripped him off. Alice in Wonderland syndrome, Iowas. There's same thing as Crowley in Ayahuas, but he just spells it a little bit differently. I do think, believe it or not, Crowley has ripped off Lewis Carroll for stuff when it comes to occultism, I.

[Curtis]

Think you see that a lot in that.

[Nick]

I think Crowley was huge. A lot of some of his art is really just basically taking an older symbol and remaking it. Yeah, I mean, listen, I, I do. I do the same thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course you're going to be influenced maybe by somebody that wrote something you liked better, but he, He. He definitely bit off of a lot of older occultists that people, for some reason, just don't know they exist.

[Curtis]

So we had another $2 rumble rant from Q. Let's do a show. Alternating DMT and ketamine rips.

[Nick]

Oh, geez.

[Curtis]

I don't know if that. We could even post that to the Internet. Q. I, I don't know about that. Probably be a terrifying experience for the people participating and those watching.

[Nick]

I. I watched somebody one time sniff half a bottle of ketamine at once.

[Curtis]

Oh, Jesus. How'd that go for them?

[Nick]

Yeah, I don't think they knew where they were for three hours. And I was stuck with the. In my place.

[Curtis]

Oh, nice.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Anything was. Is like, you know, the mother. The dude still had a knife in his hand from scraping the. On the plate. And so we're like, you know when this dude's, like, trying to, like, act all weird, we're like, yeah, so who's gonna go take the knife out of his hand?

[Curtis]

Oh, so this was before, like, the liquid ketamine.

[Nick]

Oh, no, he had the liquid he cooked it inside my. He bought a bottle off of me, then he cooked the bottle on the plate and him and his boy split it. And. But he. But his. But this dude just sniffed his whole half. And I just watched him. I was like, yo, did.

[Curtis]

You were just watching him like.

[Nick]

And like, it didn't dawn on me like, yo, we better get him out of here. But like. And then his friend sniffs a quarter. So I was like, well, I mean, I don't know. I can't tell them to go get in the car and get the. Out of here because you'll be. You'll be down middle country road, crash into a stop sign in five minutes. Wow. Telephone pole. I'm like. I'm like, what the. Yeah, it was very weird.

[Curtis]

That is strange.

[Nick]

I saw people do weird body convulsions I've never seen before.

[Curtis]

Being inhabited by an entity or something.

[Nick]

Well, you're like. Or you're looking at him and you're like, this person just does not. I. To the point to where you would assume they're not in the same reality or not seeing the same reality world you are, because it's just their actions as if you're not even there either.

[Curtis]

Right.

[Nick]

It was weird. Real annoying.

[Curtis]

I got a few more photos and I'm gonna show you. I can't seem to find. There is. There's one. They literally have a spirit cooking table and I cannot find that picture. I don't know. Weird. Weird. Yeah, they. They literally like. It's like spirit cooking before spirit cooking was even the thing, you know, food and the shape of. Of humans. Who knows? Here, let me pull a few more of these pictures up. So do you. So you got anything cool coming soon on. On your channel?

[Nick]

Yeah, we got. We are going to be covering the planet Mercury with probably about 7 or 8 of the occult rejects with Mario from Symbolic Studies. That should be really interesting. And me and Lisa are covering an occultist alchemist called Empedocles that I think by the time we're done putting it out, will actually show how that person was probably hugely impactful in a lot of things that we go by in this world. You know, I think Crowley ripped him off. And I do think to an extent. To an extent, it's known that even the way that we look at our eyes, some of the most basic stuff came from him that led others to actually understanding how our eyesight works. And this guy was from 500 BC.

[Curtis]

I'm sorry that. You don't hear my daughter screaming, do you?

[Nick]

No, no.

[Curtis]

She's probably looking for me. Here's the, the invitation right here written backwards. It's in French, right? I believe it was in France, yeah. Q, thank, thank you for the two dollar donation, man. I appreciate it, brother. Let's see, there was, yeah, this is what Lisa was talking about, which I think is very creepy, especially with, with the babies with their heads open at the dinner table. It's just not, not something that you want to see at a dinner table. Right.

[Nick]

Crowley was real big on backwards stuff too. He always said that all the time, learn to talk backwards. Right, Backwards, do things backwards.

[Curtis]

Well, even the food, the food descriptions on the menu at this party were like post coital sadness, like, like describing some form of like meat that they're so, it's like they're describing attributes of humans on. Yeah, yeah. It's very, very strange, man. It's is very macabre. Let's see here is the. So the mansion was lit up like this, probably to resemble hell. I, I, I, I, I don't know. Red is very tied into alchemy as well. And, and so like you said, man, this, this symbolism, you can see a lot of things in it. But this is the same mansion from the ninth gate. If, if you don't recognize it, I'm gonna have to go and watch that movie. Movie later, bro.

[Nick]

I think that might be the one where the guy originally hung himself maybe. I don't remember.

[Curtis]

I think you're right. I, I, I think you're right.

[Nick]

Back to that one a few times, I think.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Let's see. This is one of the last pictures that I wanted to show. And this symbolism is blatant, Blatant Garden of Eden symbolism. Right. You can even kind of see how she has like one eye visibly kind of showing and one a little more covered up. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. It's just like why was like what this was happening in 1972 and it was around the, the holiday of Yule, right? The ancient holiday. Ah, that, that's something you probably look into, man. I don't know. It's, it's, it's pretty interesting.

[Nick]

It's like around Christmas, isn't it? Isn't that why we have the Yule?

[Curtis]

Yeah, well, there's, there's, there's a certain holiday each month and a lot of people don't know that the Illuminati was actually founded on May 1st. Well, they know that, but May 1st is the holiday of Beltane or Ball tank. Important to know. I think we've We've been going for. For about two hours, man. Yeah.

[Nick]

Hell yeah. That was good. That was fast too. Thank you.

[Curtis]

Yeah, dude, no, it was, it was, it was a pleasure having you, brother. And, and I can't wait to have you on again. Or me. Come on your show, we'll talk about it. Is, is there any plugs that you want to throw out there?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. The Occult Rejects. You can find it on Bitchute Rumble, YouTube and all major podcasts. And we do have a site called the cultresearchinstitute.org and yeah, come check out the show. Like I said, it's compromised probably for. It's composed of. Comprised of. That was what I was comprised of about 8 to 10 of us. So true crime, occultism, you know, books, people, weird ideas and theories and thoughts. So come check it out. And you know, again, like, we even do get into a lot of science stuff. You know the Lisa who's, you know, my co host, you know, she's big into physiology and science. So like, sometimes we make some like, really weird connections with occultism and science and you got to sit there and be like, like, huh, like, was this what occult science is? Was it just science?

[Curtis]

Yeah, man. I, I said earlier, I think that's awesome how you have a certain amount of people to cover a broad spectrum of all these topics. Because with me, like, I'm, I'm, I'm a one man show. I don't have a co host or anything. I, I usually have somebody on with me, but.

[Nick]

Oh, that's what to do though, man. I give you credit for doing that.

[Curtis]

Well, thanks, man. Yeah, no, I, I have a pretty good memory sometimes. I may misquote things or say the wrong word or butcher the pronunciation. But, you know, I think that's awesome how you can have like one person that covers this topic someone else covered, then y'all all come together and y'all can like connect things. And that's. That's awesome, man.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's fun. It's actually really fun. And the more we've been doing it, the better it's been going. So it's like, wow, like, I'm really lucky actually telling the truth.

[Curtis]

Yeah, man. No, that's like I said, I. I can't wait to come on in the future. Dude. Guys, y'all go follow Nick. Subscribe to his channel. I think you're on Twitter, right? You're on Twitter?

[Nick]

Yeah, Twitter and Instagram. Yeah. The Occult Rejects.

[Curtis]

Okay, well, guys, what's up?

[Nick]

That's it. Awesome. Thank you.

[Curtis]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Guys, I'm on Twitter at Grayfield Podcast, Instagram, Grape Hilt Underscore podcast. When, When I rarely post on there. Go subscribe on Rumble, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Leave me good reviews. Share my like comment. If you have any questions, let me know. Go to my patreon. I mentioned earlier, I have a few tiers get in where you fit in. And we're doing a lot of cool stuff on there. Doing an Elohim etymology on Marduk part three in the morning. So that should be fun. I. I'll let y'all know a set time on that later. Hopefully Adrian is still free to do that. Let's see it. Okay, my. My wife said next time Jules is watching the kids and I'm hosting. Okay. I. I was going to play. Guys, my. My wife is starting a podcast. It's. It's. It's going to be a banger. It's called Babylon. Play on words off Babylon, obviously. So to get out of here, I am going to play her promo. And yeah, I hope you all enjoy it. Nick, it was a pleasure, brother. And if you want to hang around for a second, maybe I can help you set that up on your Rumble or something. Yeah, I'm gonna play a couple of these outro videos anyway, guys, set this up. Y'all stay gray pilled and I will see y'all later.

[Lisa]

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes.

[Nick]

Working jobs we hate.

[Curtis]

We buy shit.

[Nick]

We don't need the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no great reward. No Great Depression. How great. It was a spiritual war. How Great Depression.

[Adrian]

Allison, can you explain what Internet is?

[Jules]

Imagine a world where every word ever.

[Curtis]

Written, every picture ever painted, and every film ever shot could be viewed instantly in your home via an information superhighway.

[Nick]

Marxism, Leninism, ideology is being pumped into.

[Curtis]

The soft heads of at least three.

[Nick]

Generations of American students without being challenged.

[Curtis]

Or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism.

[Adrian]

I mean, let's remember here, the people we are fighting today we funded 20 years ago. A former US intelligence official and Air.

[Curtis]

Force veteran claims a top secret program.

[Adrian]

Is withholding evidence of alien spacecraft.

[Nick]

I wish the Congress would address the.

[Lisa]

Unconstitutionality of presidents waging war. The Matrix is everywhere.

[Nick]

It is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. It is the world that has been.

[Lisa]

Pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. What truth? That you are a slave. Like everyone else, you were born into.

[Nick]

Bondage born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind and escalate. Estimated 2.5 million children currently take stimulants like little it.

[Lisa]

The sharing of bias and false news has become all too common on social media. More alarming, some media outlets publish the same fake stories without checking facts first.

[Curtis]

Unfortunately dangerous. You believe our government has made contact with intelligence extraterrestrials.

[Nick]

Something I can't discuss in public setting.

[Lisa]

We're going to talk to you about.

[Curtis]

The most urgent thing that is on our mind and what we suspect is.

[Lisa]

The most urgent thing on the minds of those who will connect with us. We'll title this tape Planet Earth about.

[Curtis]

To be recited cycle.

[Lisa]

Your only chance to evacuate is to leave with us.

[Nick]

Jules, you're the best. Thank you so much for coming on. You really classed up.

[Jules]

Yes. Guys, go follow Great Pill podcast. Got a great show by the way.

[Curtis]

Great show.

[Lisa]

Cool dude.

[Nick]

Go check him out.

[Curtis]

Shout out. Jules. Trying to kill me goy you handsome. Oh no, there's another time.

[Adrian]

Bye bye.

[Curtis]

Peeking the producer.

[Nick]

All right guys, go check out Gray Pilled Nephilim. That's what he's all about.

[Curtis]

Then you have the second fall, that of Azazel and Simiaza, who you also see in the Sumerian stories as well. Shamash being the sun God. Shamsiel teaching the signs of the sun.

[Jules]

If they're by us, they're the dangerous retards. If they're by you guys, it's the hard army. If they're by the Gray Pilled podcast, he calls them the Grapist, which is incredible, honestly. An entire group of schizophrenics that we've.

[Curtis]

One of the daughters of Enoch was taken by a fallen angel and that was was one of the Babylonian bloodlines where Rothchild came from the Red shield or Ra shield. You know what? I'm not even voting, but I hope Trump wins just so you can cry for another four years. You know this was here.

[Nick]

Podcast. Welcome to the Gray Pilled podcast.