The Cecil Hotel w/ Dani of The Rabbit Hole Podcast

Summary

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The Cecil Hotel w/ Dani of The Rabbit Hole Podcast

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy
Host(s): TopLobsta Productions (TopLobsta, David Lee Corbeau aka "Raven")
Guest: Dani of The Rabbit Hole Podcast
Release Date: January 6, 2026
Main Topic: The dark, mysterious history of the Cecil Hotel, its endless string of tragedies, Biblical and paranormal theories about its nature, the infamous Elisa Lam case, and the intersection of mental health, conspiracy, and the supernatural.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the legend of Los Angeles' notorious Cecil Hotel, examining its century-long reputation for suicides, murders, and supernatural happenings. Through a Biblical and conspiratorial lens, the hosts and Dani discuss why the hotel became a nexus of tragedy, whether evil forces or dark energies play a role, and the details and strange theories behind the 2013 death of Elisa Lam. Spiraling into adjacent topics like numerology, Skid Row, spiritual "strongholds," mental health, and Hollywood occultism, the conversation interweaves humor with thoughtful speculation on the nature of evil and the unseen world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Cecil Hotel’s History: A Magnet for Tragedy

• Built in 1924, the Cecil Hotel rapidly developed a reputation for suicides and deaths—34 confirmed, many under bizarre circumstances.
  • Danny: "It feels like a very demonic place... there have been so many people that have gone there and then committed suicide. And in a lot of cases, they weren't suicidal before they stayed at the Cecil Hotel." (09:00)
• The hosts discuss whether the hotel itself is cursed, a product of location, or intentionally designed to be a "portal."
• Notable deaths date back to the 1920s, with tragedies occurring almost yearly by the '30s and '40s, including suicides and even a murder-suicide (a woman jumping from the building and killing a passerby, 14:13).

2. Paranormal Explanations, Energy, & “Portals”

• Is the hotel a spiritual “hotspot”? Analogies are drawn to the acoustic "suicide cove" phenomenon, where rock formations induced suicidal thoughts via vibration (10:36–12:48).
  • TopLobsta: “Maybe something's going on with the structure of how they built this hotel. Intentional or not.” (12:40)
• Spiritual “soup” concept: The team speculates on spiritual rights, generational curses, and why certain people seem more vulnerable.
  • Corbeau: "There are things that don't have rights and don't have access to us, while other things might for something that we did or something that was... generationally passed on..." (20:55)

3. The Influence of Skid Row & LA’s Energy

• The hotel’s location atop Skid Row—one of LA’s most notorious districts—may amplify negativity.
• Discussion of historical changes in the area, the “33rd parallel” numerology, and the spiritual implications of place.
  • TopLobsta: "It's 1 degree north of the 33rd parallel... things that are on [the parallel] have more proclivity to have supernatural properties." (16:20)

4. Serial Killers, Pop Culture, and Hauntings

• Richard Ramirez (“Night Stalker”) lived there during his killing spree (1985).
• Reference to “American Horror Story: Hotel” as fiction inspired by the real-life hauntings at the Cecil.
  • Danny: “That season is based loosely on the Cecil Hotel. It's very... demonic, like they're collecting souls.” (18:18)

5. Numerology, The 13th Floor, and Lost Time

• Discussion of superstition around the number 13 (hotels skipping the 13th floor, the lost “13th month" in calendars—“Sol").
  • TopLobsta: “It probably affected sales... Fear of the number 13...” (25:03)
  • Danny: “If you look at different things in nature... a turtle's back... the outer ring has 28 slots [days], the inner section has 13.” (26:07)
• How altered calendars may impact spiritual perception and prophecy.

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The Elisa Lam Case: The Centerpiece

[Start: 34:12 – 1:08:18]

The Basic Facts

• In 2013, Elisa Lam, a young Canadian tourist, was found dead in a Cecil Hotel water tank after being missing for weeks.
  • Autopsy: no sexual or physical violence, but ruled “accidental drowning” due to her history of bipolar disorder.
• The infamous elevator footage: Elisa’s erratic behavior—pressing buttons, acting as though hiding/communicating with someone, and ultimately vanishing from surveillance.
  • Danny: “That is also the final and only appearance of her in the hotel...” (36:59)

Elevator Game Theory

• Korean urban legend: performing a sequence of elevator floor selections alone can open a portal to another dimension; a woman may appear on Floor 5—never speak to her.
  • Danny: “She gets out of the elevator, gets back in... pressing random buttons... We think she was probably playing the elevator game..." (36:59–39:10)
• In the video, Elisa seems to talk to someone invisible, matching aspects of the legend.
  • Corbeau: “When you know that this is a woman who met her demise shortly after this video, this is the last time she's seen, it makes it so much stranger.” (42:15)

Mysteries of Her Death

• She vanished for three weeks—search dogs and police found no trace, nor is there lobby or hallway footage of her leaving.
  • Danny: “They search the roof... everywhere, and they do not find her. She's missing." (47:36)
• Her body was discovered naked in a secured water tank with a heavy lid—physically improbable for her to get in unaided.
• No marks on her body, no way she could have closed the lid from inside.
  • Danny: “For this little Asian girl to be able to open the lid is very unlikely... How are you going to close that water tank door behind you?” (53:06)
• Murky toxicology & uncertain time of death; dogs had lost her scent entirely.
  • Danny: “If she was on that roof, they would have found her scent because there's not a lot of scents on the roof.” (62:54)

Running Theories

• Supernatural portal or demonic agency.
• Copycat Murder: The movie “Dark Water” (2005) eerily parallels her fate; some suggest imitation, but the consensus is that even a murderer couldn't have left so little evidence.
  • Danny: "But you would do it closer to [the movie’s release]... how many times in our life... movies happen and it’s so similar to what happens in real life..." (75:32–76:01)
• Mental illness, but also the speculation, informed by Dr. Jerry Marzinski’s research, that schizophrenia and related disorders might be spiritual/demonic oppression.
  • Corbeau: “Much of the mental health apparatus is birthed out of intelligence agencies... so much of this [‘treatment’] is really a long-leash control.” (35:25)
• “She didn’t kill herself, nor was she murdered—something else placed her in the tank.”
  • TopLobsta: “She died... I don't think anybody killed her. And then she was in there, but not put in there—just... now she's in there.” (108:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"It feels like a very demonic place because there have been so many people there that have gone there and then committed suicide. And in a lot of cases, they weren’t suicidal before they stayed at the Cecil Hotel."
—Dani [09:00]

"There was a cove... people would go there, not suicidal at all, and just get the inclination to jump off the ledge. They determined it had something to do with the acoustics... It was producing this harmonic that was somehow associated with, like, extreme depression."
—TopLobsta [10:36]

"I'm leaning toward a portal to hell... is this a place where the devil's collecting souls?"
—Dani [12:53]

"It also might not have anything to do with it, but it’s one degree north of the 33rd parallel... Seems like things that are on—or around—have more proclivity to have supernatural properties."
—TopLobsta [16:20]

"Elevator game... on the fifth floor, a woman may or may not get on... do NOT talk to her. Leave her alone. She's a demon."
—Danny [39:10]

"The elevator is still open... that's way too long for the door to stay open. Before I was like, all right, she's putting her foot in. But now she's completely outside of it."
—TopLobsta [42:51]

"How did she get there? Who put her there? ...there's not a ladder for her to climb in. The door for the water tank was closed. And once you’re in, how are you going to close that water tank door behind you?"
—Danny [54:58]

"She died. I don't think anybody killed her. And then she was in there, but, like, not put in there—just now she's in there."
—TopLobsta [108:03]

"That place is a stronghold, dude. The more you zoom out, the more you realize this is a festering hole in a giant wound."
—Corbeau [100:35]

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The Hotel’s Afterlife: Skid Row & Spiritual Decay

• After Elisa Lam: The hotel was shuttered, turned into Section 8/affordable housing.
  • Danny: “It’s been for sale since 2024... there’s just people still living there.” (95:28)
  • The panel critiqued the wisdom (spiritually and socially) of putting LA's poor and homeless in a building with this kind of history and spiritual baggage.
• Lively side discussions about Skid Row's origins, urban policy, spiritual “principalities” over neighborhoods, the social dynamics of racialized poverty, and the spiritual effects of concentrated despair (sections 86:00–90:00).

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Closing Reflection

The hosts and guest ultimately agree that, whatever the literal cause of Elisa Lam’s death, the Cecil Hotel represents a spiritual epicenter of misery, tragedy, and evil—perhaps a "portal" or stronghold in a spiritually afflicted city. The episode concludes with a blend of sobriety and dark humor, reflecting both on the limits of knowledge and the persistent hunger for answers where mystery reigns.

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Section Timestamps

• [01:35] — Show start, host intros
• [04:08] — Guest intro: Dani, Rabbit Hole Podcast
• [08:28] — Introducing the Cecil Hotel mystery
• [09:00–16:46] — History of deaths, suicides, & demonic theories
• [16:46–23:55] — Serial killers, pop culture (Ramirez, AHS)
• [24:02–29:57] — Numerology, “13th floor,” calendar conspiracies
• [34:12–54:58] — Elisa Lam case: elevator game, footage, death
• [55:07–62:59] — Forensic/physical impossibilities, water tank, search dogs
• [65:12–68:50] — Drowning as suicide; plausibility discussion
• [72:15–76:01] — Movie parallels (“Dark Water” theory)
• [84:19–96:13] — Section 8, Skid Row, ghosts, spiritual “energy fields”
• [98:31–100:53] — Skid Row origins, spiritual strongholds
• [106:00–113:00] — Was it murder, suicide, accident, or “something else”?
• [114:32–115:10] — Outro, guest plugs

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Further Listening

Find Dani and The Rabbit Hole Podcast:

• Search “Rabbit Hole Conspiracy Theories” wherever you get podcasts
• Social: @rabbitholepodcast

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“Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll do it again.”
— TopLobsta [115:11]

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Transcript

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[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

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[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The Rabbit Hole Conspiracy theories. Basically wherever you are looking for a podcast or the Rabbit or Rabbit dot Hole podcast everywhere, social media wise.

[David Lee Corbeau]

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

I think it is because we can't do it, dude.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Okay, firstly that's not what's happening. I'm taking my long form videos, I'm throwing it into opus clip and letting it do its thing and then I just automatically post that onto social media. That's not true because sometimes I do, sometimes I do like just take a video. If I'm like oh I forgot to post on social media today. So then I'll like take a video and throw it up there. But most of the time I just put an opus clip.

[David Lee Corbeau]

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

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[Top Lobster]

I would have been more comfortable if she was holding a gun.

[David Lee Corbeau]

She's like, so what's the show about? And I'm like, conspiracy comedy. And so I don't know what. What that is. I can't make that short form content, but I guess that's what you need. So, guys, go and follow Danny on. On all social medias. You promised us last time. And by the way, the last episode that we had you on, really well received, people really enjoyed it, or else we would have never invited you back here.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

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[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

It's hot. I'm sorry.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Being a little extra sassy today.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You know what it is? I'm a little bit. I had a lot of that Soda Stream before. Jacked up on mountain deer a little bit. There's no sugar in that. It's just carbonation, Just straight Jewish carbonation. But yeah, and it's made in Israel and God bless him for that. So the last episode that we had, Gian was. Was really great. And actually, if I'm not mistaken, it might have been the first episode we did in the new studio. I just remembered that. Oh, yeah, I think it was. So we had just finished this and it was like the next day and. And we had you on and we were talking about. I believe it was Atlantis, right? It was Atlantis, yeah. Great episode. And you left us with a bit of a cliffhanger. You said, I don't know if it was on air, I don't know if it was afterwards.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, Back. Back when we were threatening the lives of everybody at a Blue Bible.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

Don't worry. We've. We've patched things over and you know, God bless them, God bless Israel. But, um, so. So what you were mentioning on the way out was this idea of the Cecil Hotel. I'm peripherally aware of it. I Know there's a lot of mysterious circumstances surrounding a woman who kind of seems to be in distress, goes missing for a time, and then is found in really.

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[David Lee Corbeau]

Mysterious circumstances, and it's a fascinating one. Goes viral all the time. Believe even my wife was. I caught her talking about it the other day and I said, I'm gonna do a show on that. How cool is that?

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbeau]

She knew about this. I had a little bit of knowledge about it. I had heard about it because it is. It's a fantastic story. And there's so many sort of loose ends, you know, from the video footage of the woman. She seems to be in distress. Someone's following her to ultimately where they find her. A lot of folks probably already know. I don't want to bury the lead. I think I did at the start.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I don't know.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, you're not something today.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This is exciting. So. So where should we start in regards to this. This strange story?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I think that we should start with, like, the Cecil Hotel in general because there have been so many people. It. It feels like a very demonic place because there's so many people there that have gone there and then committed suicide. And in a lot of cases, they weren't suicidal before. They stayed at the Cecil Hotel. And then they would just, like, show up and kill themselves. You're like, okay, like, what's happening here that, like, really caused it to be deadly? I don't really know. Like, I. We were trying to Figure out why people were going there to kill themselves. And a lot of people, like, chalk it up to, well, they were just suicidal. They went there. That was like, an easy place to do it. But that doesn't. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, especially, like, when you start to. I think there's been 34 confirmed deaths.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Whoa.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And so why. Right. The Cecil Hotel. I mean, it was built in 1924. So I guess, like, statistically, maybe there could have been that many deaths and it was just like, coincidence. Although here at the Rabbit Hole, we don't believe in coincidences, and I'm sure you guys probably have figured that too.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Would you say it was. It was made in the. In.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I'm looking at 1924.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So already by 1927, you have the first recorded.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

First recorded death in 1927.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So it's only three years after that. I mean, that's.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Even that alone is pretty shocking. I mean, the place had only been around for three years.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right. And then you have another one in 31 and 32 and 34, 37. Like, you've got deaths. Like, it feels like every year you have at least one suicide.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Are you guys aware of the Suicide Cove?

[David Lee Corbeau]

No, I'm not familiar with that.

[Top Lobster]

I don't remember the location. But there was, like, a certain cove. It was like, off of a pit stop, and people would go there and not suicidal at all and just get the inclination to jump off the ledge. And I think the authorities determined that it had something to do with the acoustics of this area. So because it was a cove and when people were in it, it made them behave in a certain way that wanted to.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Were there sirens there?

[David Lee Corbeau]

I don't know. That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. I know that what they did was demolish the mountain. That was creating this, like, acoustic. At a supersonic whatever kind of vibrations. And they say that it ceased.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

There is some sort of psychological thing. Right. When people get to a bridge and they're like, I wonder what I. I think that most people have had this thought where you get to a bridge. You're like, I wonder what happened if I jumped off.

[Top Lobster]

Sure. Every time.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I remember now what you were talking about. It is there was an acoustic property. They actually had to, like, alter the rock formation because of the way that, like, frequency was amplifying in this rock formation. It was producing this. This harmonic that was somehow associated with, like, extreme depression. Yeah, that's.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It was the sirens.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, in some way? I. I guess you could say that, yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I mean, isn't that what they're doing? Right.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. They're luring ships into crashing into rocky coves. Right. And so. And this specifically, a cliff formation. That's fascinating.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. I've never heard of that before.

[Top Lobster]

It's in. Sorry, Big Surcos, California.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Tracks.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it was like a steep, rocky inlet near the cliffs. And for some reason, I guess, like, the rock formation was creating these, like, supersonic vibrations that people would. Yeah. Would drive them into deep depression. People who were. Otherwise weren't suicidal. And I guess they saw the cliff and they're like, yeah, why not? And they would just do that. And it became such a problem that they did. Had to.

[David Lee Corbeau]

They.

[Top Lobster]

They had to alter the rock.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The rock formation, like, knock it. Knock some of this stuff down, which is kind of strange. But I don't know, it just. It reminded me of that. Maybe something's going on with the structure of how they built this hotel. Intentional or not.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I don't know. Like, I kind of. Like, personally, I'm leaning towards more like a. Almost like a portal to hell because, like, you have these people committing suicide. Like, that's not the way that you're supposed to die. And so, like, is this a place where, like, the devil's collecting souls?

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's an interesting thought.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It. It just seemed. It seemed odd to me because you have. Like I said, you have so many different deaths. I mean, I have them all. Like, I have a bunch of them laid out, but like we said, like, 1927 was the first one. And then you have 31, 32. We skip 33. You get 34, 37, 38, 39, 40, and 40.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Year like that.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. And then in 44, the lady killed her son, her baby. 47, 54, 62. Another one in 62. Actually. It's like a. Like a dual death. That one was actually kind of interesting. I don't. They're all interesting. But this lady, she was arguing with her husband. She left the room, or he left the room. Excuse me. Oh, sorry. I'm. I'm messing up the whole story. So she left saying, like, she was gonna go take her life, and so she left. She jumped from the building, from the top of the building, and then she landed on this guy who was just like, walk on the ground, like, next to the hotel and ended up killing him too.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Jeez, that's really strange.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Old guy.

[David Lee Corbeau]

If you think about it, in. In. You know, typically, it's like what comes first, is it like the. The. The suicides or like, the supernatural sort of energy from, like, one event, but, like, this thing is only three years old, you know, because I'm kind of thinking, like, if something spooky happens in it, like, let's say there's a murder or whatever in a. In a house that might lead to, like, future hauntings. And then you might go into that and be like, oh, the energy of this place is off. Or it's this, or it's that. This place was three years old.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So is it. Is it. Is it built on, like. Like, I'm looking it up. There's no mention of. I. I went for the cliche. Where is the location in Los Angeles?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, it's near Skid Row. It's on skid Row, actually. Yeah. So now, like, Skid Row. Yeah. So it's been. It's been boarded up and, like, not functional for several years now. I. There's been talk that they're going to renovate it and somebody's, like, gonna buy it. But, like, it goes back and forth. It's on skid Row.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting. I'm wondering. We've talked about, you know, skid Row, Los Angeles powers and principalities. Whatever. Whatever spirit has, like, dominion over that part of Los Angeles, you know, in.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The 20s when it was built was like. Was that even a thing? Not yet. Right.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, I mean, how far is Hollywood near. I don't know, geographically. Is Hollywood near Los Angeles?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Hollywood's in Los Angeles just because I.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Know, like, that time is a really strange time for the development of Hollywood, you know, being. I guess, its inception is basically like the early 1910s, you know, and then by 1920, you have. Was it 1920? The Cecil Hotel was 2427.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Is when the first suicide or the first recorded suicide. There could have been suicides before that that we just don't, like. They didn't record. We didn't know about.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's a very heavy time for California.

[Top Lobster]

It's all. I mean, this also might not have anything to do with it, but it's 1 degree north of the 33rd parallel.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

That's something that I like.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Always look at that. Whether it's like something is on or around. Seems like the things that are on have more proclivity to have supernatural properties. But still, I mean, if that is like a thin area within on the earth, the 33rd parallel, things around it will still attract. But I don't know.

[David Lee Corbeau]

When does this place get shut down?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So you have some serial killers that come in and out. What?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Really?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. So in like 1984. 85, Richard Ramirez, like the Night Stalker and who is.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

A satanic worshiper. Right. He was living in the Cecil Hotel while he was like, on his murder spree.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's right. I remember learning that because I think we watched the. The Night Stalker documentary because for whatever reason.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So he lived there for a while, which is. And like, obviously he never killed himself, but in that situation. But, like, it's interesting that he was attracted to the hotel. Have you seen American Horror Story Hotel? Like that season?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, that was one of the early ones, wasn't it?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It was like season three or four, I think.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think I might have. I watched like. I think I stopped watching for American Horror Freaks show because I found everybody so ugly in the circus that I. I couldn't. None of them were likable. You need to at least have some.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Some, but each remotely different. So you could just, like, watch a new season.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I know, but then they did the Lady Gaga thing too, and that's the one. That one. I was obsessed with that because I don't like her because I think she's a she.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I thought she did a fine job. Like, she's a good person to cast for this because she's already so, like, satanic and like demonic. It's like, perfect for the hotel. But that. That season is based loosely on the Cel Hotel.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Interesting. That makes a lot of sense now. Okay.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And so, like, it's very, like, demonic. Like they're collect. It feels like they're collecting souls. Like the souls are living there.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, yeah. And isn't there some element where, like, all of these people become not just collected, but they're all. Yeah, I mean, they're kind of trapped there. In the same way that you might look at the shining with that hotel when you have, like, the spirit of the twins and things like that.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, yeah. The Stanley Hotel isn't actually haunted, though.

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[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

They really, like, play it up if you ever go there. Like, they really play it up, but. Yeah, like that. The same concept, right?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Exactly, exactly. So they're there and then you. You would see. So the hotel has collected them. This is interesting. When we were talking about, like, the.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Earth, they're like character.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, Ghost ship is a great one too. Yeah. Yep.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. Where they're collecting all the souls on the. On the boat.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Exactly. Yeah. That's a. That's an interesting idea there. Huh.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But. But also on the same, like, not everybody that goes there dies. So it kind of makes you want. Because you would think that if this is where I go back and forth, because if that many people are dying, they may be collecting souls is the purpose, but you look at it and not that many people. I mean, yes, that many people in the grand scheme of things. But you don't have like, multiple deaths a year.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right. And you. But you do have thousands of people coming in and out per year. Right. So.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right.

[David Lee Corbeau]

In that, statistically. Statistically it's not a significant thing. Right.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So I think. I don't know, I go back and forth with it because, like, maybe it's paranormal, maybe it's demonic. Maybe it's like, like anybody that's already having kind of a bad day, it, like, really sucks on that and, like, causes you to go over the edge.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. I think that the. The truth of the matter is if it is a demonic thing at any given moment, you know, we're in spiritual soup. Right. There's so much going on around us that we can't see. And there are things that don't have rights and don't have access to us, while other things might for something that we did or something that was, you know, generationally passed on to us, what have you. Not everything that inhabits a spiritual realm has access to you. And some people have less that is given over to the demonic realm than others. So, yeah, I could see.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I thought the question, like, if believers are going and staying there, maybe they're not being targeted. Like, maybe it's non believers that are Being targeted.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's interesting. I mean, I would say, I don't know, likely comes down to a number of things. Right. Like, what sort of rights do these things have over you? What sort of entities are you in agreement with? What sorts of things are attached to you via some hitchhiker thing from generational iniquity? Like, there's a whole plethora of stuff. And I think that everybody has a different. Their bag looks a little bit different. So do we know.

[Top Lobster]

Do we know who was, like, the builder funder for this?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. So William Banks, Hanner, Charles Dix, and Robert Shops. William, they're like three hoteliers that all came together to build this.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Interesting. I mean. Yeah. Prime location, right? Los Angeles during that time.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. And it was, like, initially built for business travelers and tourists. It was designed by Loy Lester Smith, who also designed the City Club Building, or like, it's now known as the Primrose Design Building.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And it's supposedly absolutely fireproof, really. As of 1924, when they built it.

[Top Lobster]

So filled with asbestos.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Nice, right?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I wonder if that plays any role in anything.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But it was really nice. Like, they built this thing and it was supposed to be like a. This beautiful hotel. It was 14 stories tall, which was a really tall hotel back then. Like, it had 700 rooms. It's gorgeous. Or it was gorgeous. So here it is. It saw a spike through the 1940s. No, there was a decline after the 1940s because of skid Row becoming increasingly dangerous. So when it was built, it was built in a good part of town. And Skid Row really wasn't coming up to be like. Like a bad part of town until, like, the 1950s.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You know what's weird? The fact that it's specifically 14 stories tall, but hotels notoriously skipped the 13th floor.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But I don't think this hotel did. They didn't. Then they. They started doing that because there was that hotel in New York, which one was it that people kept killing themselves on the 13th floor or dying on the 13th floor? Like something weird was happening.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Huh.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I can't remember. I should. I should do an episode on that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

One, too, because that's a weird. I don't. I never understood that. Is that just superstition? Like, why on earth was it.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

No, because there was, like an actual hotel in New York. And it's. I think it started in New York because so many people. It was superstition, but so many people were killing themselves.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Huh. And then so. So it birthed out of that, from what I understand.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I don't know, I could be completely wrong. I've done no research into this.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think I have it right here. So let's see. Well, this is. You know, it's common to Skip labeling the 13th floor on a high rise building, especially hotels and residential towers in the United States and other western countries due to widespread superstition. What in the hell kind of word is that? Triska decephobia.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Triska phobia. The fear of the number 13.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's wild to incorporate that into. I mean, there's no. Let's be honest, there's no change in architecture. Really. All it is is just. Yeah, the lack of labeling, you know, so. But, But I mean, just to incorporate that at all, it just seems like a thing that you wouldn't do.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, I think that it's like a security blanket.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Huh?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it probably affected sales probably, you know.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right. Because nobody wants to stay on the 13th floor.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right. Nobody wants to buy a house where there was a murder kind of a deal.

[Top Lobster]

It has like, it's. I think it has its roots back to like Judas being the 13th person at the feast. Like, so betrayal, death, things like this. And then it's kind of funny how that works its way into the zeitgeist and in people's mind where you have architecture, architects, not. Not labeling the 13th floor.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's kind of risk of fear of 13. Oh, that was a. That was a movie and everything. Supposedly unlucky nature of the number 13. Tarot cards also deal with this. That's interesting. The 13th constellation. That's right. We just learned about that.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And then it makes me wonder, is that why there's not 13 months?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, yeah, I actually heard that recently. Like every month is supposed to be 28. I can't. I won't do the math because I'm an idiot. But every.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I did a whole episode on that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Is that true? So every month is supposed to be 28 days long. And with that you have a remainder. That's enough to make a 13th month. And then there is a 13th constellation with it, which is Ophiuchus.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, but like our, Our year wouldn't look the way it does. But we also wouldn't have the leap year either. But if you look at like, different things in nature. I know, we're getting off topic with this. No, it makes sense. Like turtles, if you look at their back, their outer ring has 13 slots or. No, their outer ring, excuse me, has 28 slots. And their inner section has 13. Like it. When you pull up like the. Like a picture of a turtle shell. If you think of like a woman's cycle, it's 28 days. If you think of like, like a moon cycle, everything can line up together.

[David Lee Corbeau]

But if you look at like the Bible says that the. The sun and the moon were put in the sky as luminaries to. To basically track time. To keep time.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And also the stars and everything for. For signs as well. But I think about that often. Like, we were just talking to. I know there's a little bit of a deviation, but we were talking to Ed Mabry yesterday and we were. It was kind of like, you know, these things that have happened over the last year, because as we sit here Today, it's. It's December 30th. And so. And one of them was that there was supposed to be this big rapture that happened, you know, September 20th to the 24th, I think was the window something to that effect? And it just makes me wonder, like, how effective is any of our ability to predict something based off of a time or a day? When does that removal of a 13th month and a 13th constellation and all these different things, like, does that really screw up our timekeeping in any meaningful way? I mean, it seems like it would.

[Top Lobster]

You're saying we're in the little season?

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think we're in the little season. No, no, no. But I mean, it is. It's an interesting thought because I, you know. Is that true? Do I. I don't want to Google that. But you said you've done an episode on it. If we were to make every month 28 days, then we would have a remainder of enough to make an additional 28 day month. Is that the. The idea?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Not exactly. So our. Our year would look a little bit different, but also like, because we have a leap year every four years, that would not be necessary anymore.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, that seems retarded. The League.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's been a while since I did this episode, so I don't remember all the different things about it, but like, I went into, like, how the calendar was created and why it looks the way it does now and then. What. What the purpose of, like, removing the 13th month was. It doesn't make any sense, but I guess somebody somewhere thought this was what we should do.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I wonder what it. Maybe I could find it. What was the 13th month called? I bet you had a banger.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It was sold. S O L Soul.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's a good month.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It was supposed to be in between June and July.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Dang.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So be Gentle. May, June, Seoul, July, August, September. Because then Oct. And actually, no, because the year wouldn't start in January. The year was never supposed to start in January. Exactly. So then like October, you know, being the eighth month, November being the ninth month, December being the tenth month is what was supposed to happen.

[Top Lobster]

Makes sense.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

That this is where you get April Fools from as well.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Exactly. Yep. So the year isn't supposed to start in January.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, there's no way to know it. I just. I can't help but wonder about all the things that would change of our understanding of. Of time and seasons, ourselves even. Right. If we had stuck to that original 13 months kind of a. Kind of a deal. I don't know. I wonder what. That's true.

[Top Lobster]

We're like 30. Technically, we're 33% behind if our year is supposed to start. That's a weird number.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's a weird number.

[Top Lobster]

Are you supposed to start in October? Sorry. April 1st. So that's four months. Yeah. That's. I don't like it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting. It is. It's 33. Oh, man. All right, all right. But also, that's strange.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Supposedly in some of the research I found, like, that's where. When Jesus was supposed to be born because some people argue it's supposed to be in the fall or in the spring, but the spring makes more sense to me because that's like also like, like new birth. And that's when like everything's blooming and that's when everything's supposed to be coming to. Life is like, you know, you went through all the dark of winter, now everything's coming to life, and that's when life is born again is April or like March, April, May, time frame. So that makes more sense that that's when Jesus would be born versus, like, interesting. December 25th.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. Wasn't it, Ed? That was like. If Jesus was born in December 25, you know, this little baby in a manger would have like froze.

[Top Lobster]

The shepherds wouldn't have their. Their sheep out as well.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, right. That's the whole thing that's interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

There's so many things. It like, doesn't make any sense for it to be Jesus birth. And so we celebrate it, but we just don't celebrate it like that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think that's a remarkable thing, the idea that like Christ would return and.

[Top Lobster]

Go like, birthday wrong.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Wow up. I mean, it doesn't even get my.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Birthday right in the month.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You think it is like damn close to. When you think about that verse that talks about the man of prediction seeking to confuse times. Yeah, and. And what was it? It was like times and something else that's. I mean, times would be pretty effectively confused right now. It would be, you know, man, you know, I'm sure somebody out there is screaming, it's the little season, but shut up, guys. All right, so let's get back to this. This. This. So where does the story start for this particular. Because we know there's, like, a bunch of suicides. It's a really strange place. I was looking it up. There's. You know, obviously, when you get that many suicides, you're gonna have a lot of paranormal investigators and, you know, huge supernatural activity off the charts. This is a weird place, maybe.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Very weird place.

[David Lee Corbeau]

One degree, 33rd parallel.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, it's. Everything about it is really weird. So then you have Elisa Lamb's murder, which. Or murder. Was it a murder? I don't know. Okay. There's some question marks. And I think this is why, like, so many women have heard about it, because women are notoriously attracted to.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Obsessed with murder.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Obsessed with murder. We can murder you if we need to.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, dude. That's what I'm like. I'm like, what are you doing? I'm looking at my wife. My wife, she's watching all this stuff. I'm going, are you training?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Are you training?

[Top Lobster]

Like, by the way, Danny, I'll have you know that half of our audience is females.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's crazy. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

So they're gonna. That's amazing.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I have more male listeners.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, it's like, that's 40. It's not quite half, but it is. It's.

[Top Lobster]

It's close.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I think I. I'm about.

[Top Lobster]

But they do like that stuff. My wife likes. My wife likes stuff about murder. And also, if there's rape, even better.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, my God. With the. With the. With the rape, I can't do it.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I love to listen to true crime, actually. So when I was thinking about starting a podcast, I was like, I should start a true crime podcast. Like every. Middle. Middle.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, you do early 30s. Enjoy listening to. Right? Or woman. Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But I was like, it's so crowded. Like, there's everybody starting a true crime podcast. So I was like, what else do I like? And I was like, well, I'm really interested in conspiracy theories. Who would listen to me talk about conspiracy theories? That seems crazy.

[David Lee Corbeau]

They are adjacent. They are adjacent, right? Because it's like, there's a conspiracy here. Someone plotted to do a thing, throw their wife down the stairs, whatever. And so, yeah, I could see how the two would. I just can't. I watch it. You know what's funny about that, actually? People look at me all the time and they're like, dude, how do you. Gay. How do you. How do you look at the things you look at all the time? Isn't it depressing? And I go like, not at all. But then when I watch women watch true Crime, I'm like, how do you watch that all the time? Isn't it depressing?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So I guess I'm double dipping. I'll get in the car, listen to true crime, murder all the way to and from dropping my kids off at daycare. And then I get here and I look up conspiracy theories, and I'm like, the whole world's burning. I get back in the car to listen to more true crime, and I was like, go get the kids from daycare.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's crazy. What a crazy life. I mean, you know, I guess I get it.

[Top Lobster]

She's going through it right now.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Call somebody. I need help.

[David Lee Corbeau]

All right, so what. What was again? This.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Elisa Lamb. Alisa.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Liam. Elisa. Okay.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. So she died. It's probably the most famous death at the Cecil Hotel. And this is kind of what Spear like. Like, got everybody on this train. Like, we need to look into this hotel. And they started finding all these other deaths. And that's when, like, really, conspiracies got out of control. So we should start with the fact that her autopsy shows no signs of any physical or sexual assault at all. Yep. This. This is what she looks like. This was so in 2013.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Looks like Nancy. What's her name? Lisa.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Elisa Lamb. Okay, Elisa. Yep. So they just. They basically ruled her death an accidental drowning because. And they noted that she has bipolar disorder, and that's probably what led to this. So her sister, when she was missing, her sister's like, she's not here. We can't find her. She has mental health issues. So they went into this already with that, like, thought in their head, like, oh, she's just psychotic.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Okay.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Which, yes, bipolar disorder. You have, like, manic episodes. But to me, maybe that's what was happening. Maybe something else.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, on this show, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I've gotten to the point now where, through all of our research, not only do we suspect that a lot of mental illness. And I almost used to scoff at people that would say this, and now I'm like, oh, okay. I think this is actually the case is some form of spiritual oppression. And then on the flip side of the coin, so much of the mental health apparatus in America is actually birthed out of, you know, our intelligence agency's own interests in human psychology and how to manipulate it. And so many of these original programs for therapists and psychologists were set up as a selection process to find individuals who would be a good fit for certain programs. And when those programs yielded good fruit, they would start to free range that. Yeah, they would implement them at scale. And so where they would keep you in a. In a lab to give you disassociatives, they're now prescribing you a disassociative drug and keeping, you know, tabs on you. That way, you know, that way the government doesn't have to actually pay to keep you in some facility somewhere you can go out, be a wage slave, multitasking, and also, you know, be on disassociatives. And, you know, they keep, you know, sort of a distant. Keep you on a long leash, essentially. So when I hear Elisa Lamb has a history of bipolar disorder, I already am going to a place where I go. Herbs, demons probably played really well with whatever spiritual oppression was happening in this hotel.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, I agree with that. So, okay, so this is one of the most famous pictures, right? So you got this picture of her in an elevator, and this is where a lot of people are like, what was she doing in the elevator? Because that is also the final and only appearance of her in the hotel. Like, we know she's there, but there's like this. This gap in time where we don't know where she is. We don't know what's going on. So the elevator is where we're seeing most of her, like, footage. And she's doing some really weird things. She gets out of the elevator, she gets back in the elevator, she's pressing random buttons, and people are like, what the heck is she doing in the elevator? What we've kind of decided is that we think that she was probably playing the elevator game. This game is so interesting. So it's a South Korean game where you're kind of messing with the supernatural, so you're trying to get to another dimension is kind of what they're saying. You have to play the game alone. You have to play it in a building that has 10 floors or more, because you have to be able to go up to the 10th floor. And most people play this game at night because not other. Like, there won't be people getting on and off the elevator, because if People get on and off the elevator, the game is over. You're done. You have to play it alone. So you. I have it pulled up here because I. I didn't have it in my notes. You have to press the buttons in a certain order. So when you get on, when you call the elevator, you have to press the up button, not the down button. And then you get on the elevator, you press the fourth floor. So every single time, whatever floor you get to, you don't get off. You're supposed to just stay on the elevator. So you press the fourth floor, you get there, and then you press the floor, and then you go to the sixth, then you go back to the second, then you go to the tenth floor, and then you go to the fifth floor. On the fifth floor, a woman may or may not get on the elevator with you. So in her recording, she's seen talking to somebody, but nobody's there. Well, one of the rules, one of the strict rules about this elevator game, if the woman gets on the elevator, firstly, you can see her. You should not acknowledge her, you should not talk to her, you should not look at her. Leave her alone. If she's there, she's not really there. She's like a demon. Demon. I say it wrong every time somebody.

[Top Lobster]

Yelled at me for that one time, I say woman. Wrong. You're good.

[David Lee Corbeau]

When he says women, plural, he says woman, and it just vexes me.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Does demon get you?

[David Lee Corbeau]

No, I heard it, and I was prepared to ignore it. And I'm glad you addressed it.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I really try to say it right, but they say she's like this entity that's like, evil. And then you keep going. At any point, if you want to stop the game, you need to go to the first floor, you need to go to the 10th floor, you need to get off, and you're done. But you should not talk to the woman that gets on the elevator if she gets on. On the fifth floor. Well, Elisa is seen talking to somebody on the elevator footage, but she's not, like, nobody's actually there. So then that kind of lends to the. That's where I'm leaning more towards the elevator game theory is, because I think that by her talking to that then she got. I wouldn't say possessed, but, like, haunted.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Do we. Do we have.

[Top Lobster]

She broke the rules of this game.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

She broke the rules.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Do we have any idea of the. I mean, you can see her. I'm looking at the video here. She's selecting all the floors.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, she's going up and down and she gets on and off the elevator, which is where I'm like, well, was she actually playing the elevator game? Because you're not supposed to get off, but if you play it right, when you go to the 10th floor, like at some point you go to the 10th floor, if you get off, you're in a different dimension.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting. And in your research, have you found any, any explanation for the sequence of, of. Of. Of floors?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

No.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's bizarre because it makes you wonder, like, how do people come up with this sort of a thing? You know, like, it sounds very much like a Bloody Mary, right? Where it's like, how on earth do you come up with the sequence of events to do a Bloody Mary? Yeah, you know, it, it's just, it's bizarre to me. Maybe we can pull this up. Did I share this? Top? Yeah, let's, let's pull this up. I want to show a little bit of this footage here because it is, it is bizarre. You can look at her behavior and this isn't. You haven't seen this before, right? Top?

[Top Lobster]

No.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You know what?

[Top Lobster]

As I'm, as I'm looking at the, the picture, though, I have seen this picture.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So check this out.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And people will be like, well, that's just her mental ill illness playing, right?

[David Lee Corbeau]

So you could, you could dismiss this as a manic episode or something. But she gets on very deliberately here. She's pushing several floors. But then watch this. I mean, she stands in the corner and she seems to be.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But this is weird too, because the elevator door doesn't close for a really long time.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's very strange too. Yeah. She's looking around, pokes her head out, looks back and forth, hiding on this. Hiding in the corner by the door.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Like, almost like she's hearing something out in the, in the hallway. Because the way that she looked out in the hallway and she keeps like peeking around, like looking to see if somebody's after her or if she's like playing hide and seek.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, when you know that this is a woman who, who met her demise relatively shortly after this video, this is the last time she's seen on video, correct?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It makes it so much stranger. I mean, look at, look at. This is bizarre. She's stepping out, she's stepping sideways, forward in some sort of little sequence.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But also, how come the elevator door has not tried to close this entire.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That is a great question.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Not even once has that elevator door attempted to close. And elevator doors don't stay open this long.

[David Lee Corbeau]

No, they don't. And she's not pressed the buttons. Not since she's got. Not the elevator.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The whole time we've been talking, that door is open.

[Top Lobster]

That's way too long for the door to stay open. Before I was like, all right, she's putting her foot in. But now she's completely outside of it.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And the elevator's still open.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You can see part of her dress. She's just standing there.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And then. And some people think, oh, well, she's schizophrenic. But she wasn't diagnosed with schizophrenia. She was diagnosed with bipolar. And bipolar doesn't make you act. I mean, you could get manic. But like. Like this. I mean, I don't know that much about bipolar. Maybe. Maybe it's true. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, you know, like, once again, in our research, and most of it is done with the. What would you call it? This sort of the guidance of a clinical psychologist named Dr. Jerry Marzinski. You know, it's. It seems as though it's. It's demonic oppression much more. And given the fact that the medical industry, as it stands, has no handle on this, is not treating people successfully by any means. We have what's known as a mental health crisis.

[Top Lobster]

So it's been like two minutes and she's gone nowhere.

[David Lee Corbeau]

She's gone nowhere. She's standing outside of the elevator right now.

[Top Lobster]

She's just dancing or something.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

This is bizarre.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Very.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's almost like she's waiting for somebody, you know?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. The chat is saying, look at her hand movements. I mean, she's doing a lot of bizarre hand gestures. She came back in moments ago and pressed the same buttons again, but here we go. It's like this elevator is still just wide open.

[Top Lobster]

It's like beckoning her to come back in.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This is bizarre.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, let's. Let's. So. So the running theory is that this is a Korean.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I mean, that's one of the theories. There's so many different theories. Right. So that's.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, by the way, the elevator door just closed. It took three minutes. Exactly three minutes. It actually closed at the three minute mark. Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So. Okay, but isn't there a way. This is me playing devil's advocate here. Is there a way that you can press buttons on the elevator to keep the door open?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Probably.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So is that what she was doing? But also, then why would you get in and hide? Like, was she playing hide and seek with somebody? Like, she's hiding in one corner and then she's hiding in the other corner. She's like jumping in, she's jumping out, she's looking all around. Like I. There's so many, so many things it could be.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, it's a, it's a, it's just an added layer on a very strange situation. Once again. It's like when, when this ends in someone's death.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And we, we'll get into the, the circumstances of that. Super mysterious. So it's a very unique death. Everything I think deserves scrutinization. You know, you kind of scratch your head at every little detail and it's like chock full of little bizarre details.

[Top Lobster]

This sort of reminds me of this like, like a rudimentary way of rando nodding. Are you familiar with that?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

That's something that, like, that's what Nick Hinton got sort of known for and.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That'S why he won't come on our show.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, maybe. So, yeah, the guy, Nick, and he's actually pretty fascinating dude. But there was a phone app I believe was like either a computer website or a phone app, maybe both. And I don't know, like it was like some sort of quantum computing. You'd put it in and it would spit out location.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Random GPS coordinates.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, random GPS location coordinates. And it was your choice whether you would go to them or not. And when you go there, what you discover. And then there was like a Reddit forum type chat of people doing this, going to these places and then just reporting what they find. And sometimes nothing. Sometimes these places were significant, sometimes like dead bodies, sometimes like treasure. Some people were getting in a lot of trouble with it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It would go and have mysterious communications with people that seemed to just say something that was hyper relevant and could have only been relevant to that person. And yet a random GPS coordinator sent them there or.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it was a quantum computer that was spitting out GPS coordinates for them to go to. And then.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

That's really interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So, but this feels, this feels like that in a way, but like on a vertical level. Yeah, going up and down to certain spots to kind of like unlock this code of what will happen.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, I don't. I mean it could be a number of things, but like the whole thing is weird. Like the way that she's acting is weird. And then like there were people staying in her room. They obviously expressed their concerns. They're like, she's acting weird, something's up with her. But it makes you wonder. Could like if she does have bipolar or whatever other mental illness that they've decided to brand her with, could she See something that maybe everybody else couldn't see.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Young chick, by the way, 20. Would have been 22, I think, right? Yeah, 22 years old. So she was born in 91. This is not, you know, this is. This is a real young millennial. This is a millennial. Fascinating.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So, of course, like, she went missing. That's the last video that we have of her is like this weird, erratic elevator video. So they call the police. The police do an extra extensive search of this place. They search the roof. This is very important. They have search dogs. They search everywhere, and they do not find her. She's missing.

[David Lee Corbeau]

No, there's no. Is there footage of her leaving the hotel?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

No, that's the only footage we have, is what we just saw.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So what about her in the elevator from the lobby?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

We don't have anything from that. We don't have any evidence of her leaving, but we also don't have any evidence of obviously of her going to the roof or of her going back to her room. We just have that elevator video and, like, she basically vanishes after that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This is really weird. I'm. I'm scrolling through, scrubbing through the rest of that video. And it's. There's. There's a minute left after that. She doesn't get back on. But the doors just open and close, open and close, open and close several times on their own.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

That is normal elevator behavior. I think you can. You can program an elevator to do that. But on one floor, though, you think that it would, like.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, no, no. Okay, so I see what's. That's interesting. So it go. Oh, it actually does then go through the cycle of all the buttons that she pressed. I can see every time it opens, the door that it sees is a different color. So it is on a different floor. So. So what he sees is this. She steps off, and then there is no footage from the lobby of her leaving. There's no footage anywhere of her at all. I. I mean, I gotta imagine there's. Maybe there's no cameras in the hallways. I guess that maybe that's. Maybe that is normal.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I try. So I try to, like, think, because 2013 doesn't seem like that long ago, but were there as many cameras as there are now? But you would think in a hotel they would at least have cameras, like, in hallways and in the lobby as well. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Like skid row.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. Like, if people are starting to, like, I don't know, vandalize the place or they're trying to break into different rooms, they're trying to do different things. Like you're gonna want to try to catch them.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, we're talking about a famous hotel in Los Angeles. Like, this is kind of seems like a place. I mean, I'm pretty sure a Best Western out here would have some, Some hallway cameras, but I mean, nevertheless, I guess there isn't, or else we would have some sort of footage. Unless they kept that for some reason. I'm sure after this, they probably decided to install some. Some hallway cameras.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, they ruled her death accidental because of drowning. So if it, like, if they do have the evidence, I don't know, like, the, the case is closed, so I don't know why they wouldn't release that now.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You know, so. So, I mean. All right, accidental because of drowning because she somehow gains access to the roof. I don't know what this situation looks like. I don't. I. I don't know if there's a padlock. I know I used to.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

No, they need. They need a key, a key card to get up there. And if you, like, shimmy it and try to get in, then alarms go off. So you can't just have access to the roof.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So she needed a key card to get up there.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, or she could. I guess from what I'm understanding, she could have broken in, but an alarm would have sounded.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So they.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Even being in the stairwell to get to the roof door would have sounded an alarm.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's one of those doors where you push on it and the whole. That. Yeah, everything. You see those when you're in staircases. So, so there's. I mean, there's an alternative option, which is she scaled the outside of the building. She has a small Asian woman. Maybe, Maybe that's in her skill set. I don't know. But that's a. That's a hell of a. This is a 14 story, you know, is that, does that constitute skyscraper, 14 stories? I mean, you know, it's a damn big building.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's tall.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's tall.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And we don't know, like, at what point was she on the outside of the building trying to get up? But you have to remember that. So she went missing, and they didn't find her for three weeks. And they searched the roof, and I think they secured the roof pretty. I mean, pretty securely because so many people had already jumped. Jumped off the roof on different occasions. Like people were jumping off the roof to commit suicide. So they knew that the, The. The roof needed to be pretty secure.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's an excellent point. A building that, three years into its inception, almost annually there's a suicide for the next decade or so. And then since then it's, you know, it's only continued. Would more than likely make an effort to keep people from going up to the roof. I'm sure by 2013 they were aware these people tend to off themselves here.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And likely they didn't have opening windows anymore by 2013.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, I mean, okay.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But also it's an older building, so some older hotels do still have opening windows, but they don't open all the way. They secure them to where they only open a smidge. So I don't know specifically about the Cecil Hotel if they, if the windows were fully secured, but by 2013, most hotels did not have opening windows.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Especially at 14, 14 floors and a hotel with a history of suicide, you're not gonna have windows that open. You're not gonna have access to the roof.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And in, like you said in 2013, this is not, this is like something that's pretty standard. You're not gonna go to a hotel that is 14 stories tall in, in 2014 and easily gain access to, you know, the roof or, or open the windows. I mean, everything by that point was pretty well locked down to, to avoid that sort of thing.

[Top Lobster]

But nonetheless, she ends up there.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, she ends up there. Well, so they don't even realize that. So for three weeks they're like, we don't know where she went. She's just vanished, missing, gone. So they're, they're looking for her. At that point, I think that they have decided that maybe she's not at the hotel anymore because the, the investigation, the search of the hotel has kind of concluded after the first initial search. They were like, well, we, we did not find any trace of her here. We had dogs, we had everything. There's no trace of her in this building or on top of the building because they looked. So then about three weeks later, you have different people that are staying in the hotel. They're complaining that their water pressure is really low, the water smells weird, it's starting to look weird. They start complaining about the water. So they're like, well, there's something weird, there's something weird about the water, right? So maintenance guy goes up to the roof because they have like four like giant thousand gallon water tanks up there. So he goes up there, there's something wrong with one of the water tanks. He starts opening up. Well, you need a ladder, firstly to get into the water tanks. Like, you can't just climb up there, you have to have a ladder. Also the lids are really heavy. So for this little Asian girl to be able to open the lid is very unlikely. And then the way like she was. So she was found in one of the water tanks. There was no. She was completely naked. None of her clothes were around. It was not. Yeah, completely naked. There was not a ladder for her to climb in. The door for the water tank was closed. And once you're in, how are you going to close that water tank door behind you? Because it props open. You got in there, how are you going to close it? So you have all these weird situations where you're like. And they had, they had searched the roof and they had found no sign of her. They had no trace for three weeks. And then all of a sudden they find her drinking.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Her.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, they're drinking the water, they're bathing in it. But like, how long had she been in there? Because decomp. She had not decomposed for three weeks in that water tank.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Really?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The autopsy report does not show any physical or sexual assault and no noticeable markings on her body, however.02% ethanol. So alcohol was in her bile. Her liver. Her liver comp. Her liver contained an snri, which was used to treat her depression, and another drug that was used to treat bipolar and epilepsy. But she was bipolar, so that makes sense that she would have regular amounts of her medications in her system. There was significant decay, so they couldn't get a lot of evidence about toxicology. So she had been there for a little while. But.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This is bizarre.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The whole thing is really weird. How did she get there? Who put her there? So then people thought it was a murder, but the, the ruling was an accidental drowning. So accidental drowning, no other marks on her, but there's no, like, evidence. So then it makes you wonder, well, was it like one of the people that would have had access to the roof that put her in there? How'd they kill her? I guess she could have just. She could have just drowned.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It makes you really wonder what's going on, you know, in her mind at that time. Just given like the, the bizarre elevator footage and then whatever drives her. I mean, let's say she does climb up the, the, the, the. The water tanks, you know, figures out a way up there, undoes the door, strips or clothes off, maybe. Maybe they're thrown off the, the roof. In which case they get.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Somebody would have found them.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, I mean, let's just say, if you're for being generous, they get blown several city blocks away and you know, you know, whatever. Just traffic and happens. Some of it gets blown over here. Some of it gets blown over here. We are 14 stories up. And then climbs inside. Is the lid on this thing.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The lid's on it, like. And they find it. It's close.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's closed.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It doesn't strike me as something that's designed to be closed from the inside, but, you know, whatever, she. She makes the effort one way or another to close the door behind her, which, because it, Because I'm. I'm looking at pictures of it. It's not a. It doesn't look like a hinged hatch. It looks like a. A square steel plate that she would pick up and put to the side. And so, you know, she gets in this. Treads water while she fishes her arms back outside the tank to grab this plate to put it back into its fixed position.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

That's assuming that the water tank is full at the time of her death.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, it would need to be.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Question because based off of I can see pictures of guys standing next to it, this thing is probably, you know, eight to nine feet tall.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's eight by four.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Eight by four. Okay, so there you go. Eight to nine feet tall. And yeah, I mean, if it's not filled to the brim either way, to. It's a bizarre thing to have to do and a difficult thing by the looks of it, to tread water while re. While naked, reach your arms outside and. And then be able to. And that's a 20 pound over. It's a 20 pound lid. So that's what I'm saying. It's a steel plate. It doesn't look like it's on a hinge to me. It looks like it's literally just a cover you would remove. And, and in order to fix it back in its place, you'd have to lift it up and. And put it over.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, it's not hinged, so I was just looking at my notes again. It's not. So the hotel staff says the 20 pound lid was difficult to move and required lifting from the top of the tank. The tank stood on platform, and accessing the tank lid required climbing a steep, narrow ladder. Once on top of the tank, Elisa would have had to stand on the opposite side of the lid straight up and then climb over it to get inside before, like. And also she had to remove her clothes at some point.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And then she's doing all this close the lid and dude, this is in.

[Top Lobster]

So that didn't happen.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

No way. February, she did not kill Herself. There's no way she killed herself.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh wait, this is Los Angeles. So Los Angeles doesn't have winter like that. Right? I think, I mean it's February so it's not great.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I did see her school in February in San Diego at night, but it was like 70s during the day.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Everybody in the pictures, they're wearing jackets. Jackets and jeans. Nobody's wearing short sleeve anything. Even in the, in the photo, in the thing she's wearing a sweater. I can see images of the rooftop here and everybody is wearing winter clothes. So it gets cold enough. Yeah. So to be completely nude and, and what looks to me like a 110 pound Asian woman. And maybe that's even being a little bit.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

That's probably generous.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I would say that's probably being generous.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I would say like 90, 100 pounds tops. Like she looks little.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean to do this you would have to be pretty mission driven on. I mean it would you, you'd be fighting. You would be fighting. I don't even imagine you would get away with this without the scrapes on your arms and shit. Showing that you were treading water while fishing your arms outside of a steel contraption that is not designed to be gentle on the skin. I mean we're just talking, you know, sheet metal here.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, there's like. So they say there's no signs at all on her body. So you don't even have the signs of her like climbing up the ladder, like walking on the platform. Like you'd think there'd be some sort of signs on her feet because if she's naked then like there's got to be some sign of something, but they have nothing.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It would also strike me that these water towers don't get a ton of play as far as like opening them. I mean they're, they're pipe fed and so there would be some sediment on the lid that would have to be disturbed probably since the thing was put up there outside of like regular maintenance if somebody went in there. But so you would see hand prints all over this.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right. My father in law worked on like boilers and like water towers and things like this. And so he. And this. Not, not in la, he was in Seattle. But he would check them once, once a month. So he would know in a month time frame if something was wrong with it. And maintenance is supposed to be checking on this. You have the maintenance of the actual building because he's like a third party contractor. But the maintenance of the building would ideally be checking on it, making sure everything's good. So people would at least once a month be checking on these water tanks.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And she was in there for, for three weeks?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, she was missing for three weeks. We don't know if she was in there for three weeks.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

You said, you're saying the decomposition doesn't match that.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So she has significant decay. I don't know if it's three weeks worth. But we also have to remember that. Right. As soon as she went missing, they found no trace of her. They had dogs at the hotel following her scent and there was no trace of her.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, that's a.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Where did she go?

[David Lee Corbeau]

I. I mean, these.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And she had to have been in the water tower for some amount of time because if people are starting to complain that the water pressure is low and that, you know, like it's starting to smell bad, like she had to be in the tank for a decent amount of time. Was it three weeks? I mean, decomp can happen pretty quick, especially in water. Probably not.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, just for reference, you know, police tracking dogs are considered highly reliable with success. Success rates ranging from 75 to 97.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

If she was on that roof, they would have found her scent because there's not a lot of sense on the roof.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right. That's what, that's what I'm saying.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

They can find sense in the, in the woods. They would find it on that roof. If she was there, they would have found her.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, I get it. You know, the dogs are probably smelling a lot of things, fentanyl and whatever. But.

[Top Lobster]

So we're talking about, we're talking about like a possible time lapse.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Somebody in the chat said that the association between water and portals always. Oh, that's a good point, considering.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, it's a really good point.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Typically when you get a, Some portal story is around a body of water, typically running water. But I don't know if that is, you know, when you're dealing with something that is hard to prove in general, I don't know if that's a, A constant, is that the water has to be running. But I mean, man, it's, it's just hard to imagine how she gets in there. I, I mean, like we said, eight feet tall. Eight feet tall. You're. You're treading water in a four by eight and a half foot body of water. It's ice cold because it's, it's, it's covered up, it's February, you're nude. Which, you know, probably maybe could have its advantages. I'm sure water gets. There's a lot of drag on on clothing and water. But. And you're, you're treading water while you're.

[Top Lobster]

Well, no, I don't think she. She wouldn't be treading water. There's no marks on her skin. So if this is like a metal object and you're trying to get out, she would have been banged up. So she's putting this thing already dead.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm at. I'm.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

That makes more sense. Like somebody else put her there. But there's no marks to that. There's no, there's no evidence, no physical or sexual evidence that she was murdered.

[Top Lobster]

Wouldn't you struggle, like.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Wouldn't you struggle trying to swim?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, if you put yourself in there because you were. Because you know, I'm. I'm operating under. The only thing that makes sense is this.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but if you put yourself in there, like the moment you begin to. To sink, the moment you begin to drown, I feel like even if you are suicidal, there is some struggle that like initially kicks in because you probably.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Go, oh yeah, yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

How many people. Actually, I would curious about this. How many people die by drowning? Like commit suicide by drowning?

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's a great question. I would say that that's gonna get.

[Top Lobster]

Put on a list for looking this up.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I look things like this up all the time.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So I mean, yeah, hanging would be probably pretty high up there. Self inflicted gunshot is another one. Drowning that sounds like a drowning is up there with self immolation, which I know has become popular in recent years, but not. Not the preferred modality I would imagine.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

When you look it up, they're like, help is available.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, we're getting put out a bunch of lists.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

8.9 of all suicides, but it is the fourth leading cause of suicide, surprisingly. Yeah, honestly, I would not have thought that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think they're probably conflating some of the numbers where like you're jumping off a bridge, right.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Suicidal drowning in South Florida, Croatia.

[Top Lobster]

That's like suicide by holding your breath.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's crazy, honestly, that. And, and like I said, being set on fire are two of the real big scary ones actually.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So I had this conversation recently with a medical professional and they were telling me that suicide or like drowning is not that bad. Like, it's like, it's bad like initially, like because you, you take like, like a couple big. Like it's uncomfortable that your body kind of like shuts itself down so you don't feel the rest of it. Whereas like su. Like death by fire would suck because until until your nerves are burnt. But like, initially you're feeling all that. But yeah, drowning, it's only a little bit where you're like trying to breathe and then your body's like, oh, we can't breathe, so we're just going to just stop feeling all of that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting. Good to know, I guess, because drowning isn't that bad.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

On fire.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Man. That's interesting. I mean, still, like I said, my, my whole thing is like, to be such a tiny chick, you know, maybe what you're doing is you're holding on to the. That, but then you have one arm to try to get this 20 pound plate, which, like.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But what are you holding on to?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Dumbbell is one thing. The, the edge of the square orifice that you dropped in through.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

You don't think that the thing like, you think it just sits on top? It doesn't like sit in?

[David Lee Corbeau]

No, I think from what it looks like to me is there is a raised edge that is in the same shape as the lid and the lid is a slightly larger diameter than that raised edge. So you do need to lower it on to.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So you're holding on with just your.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Fingernails or like you could hold on to it. But I mean, I don't know if, you know, if you have a 20 pound dumbbell, you know, for, for a small Asian woman, that's probably pretty heavy. Once you spread that thing out into a plate and, and you're trying to what, grab it, Grab the edges of it with your hand and you've got to try to get your palm underneath it to lift it effectively and return it back.

[Top Lobster]

You also have no scratches anywhere on your hand.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Like, it just doesn't make sense.

[Top Lobster]

That doesn't happen.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, look, you. You have to leave some and say like, no, but it could have.

[Top Lobster]

It didn't happen that way. There's no way it happened right that way.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I mean, there's no marks on this body at all.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, yeah. And Asian people are notorious for soft skin.

[Top Lobster]

We're talking about somebody that died somewhere else and then was placed there or.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

She, for whatever reason there and just committed suicide. So she wasn't gonna fight because she wanted to die?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I don't see how you don't fight like that. That is a crazy thing.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Like, I mean, I've never been that suicidal to be like, like, I'm ready to end everything. So maybe that's, that's where like the disconnect is, you know, like, maybe I'm.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Going back, and I'm looking at this video of her in the elevator, and when she's, like, peeking out, there are. There looks to be, like, an artifact of a video that, like, kind of casts a shadow or something on the door adjacent to the elevator door. And I don't know if it's just an artifact or, like, with my mind, I'm like, is it a spooky. I think it's coming up. You'll kind of, like, see some shadows moving on it. But, like, you know, it's. It's shitty, grainy elevator footage, and there's no way to really know what you're looking at. But that directly across the door with a horizontal gray bar on it does appear to be a door, because later on in the video, you will see that when it goes to another floor.

[Top Lobster]

Like, what is that?

[David Lee Corbeau]

She's. She's.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

You know what it reminds me of?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Hippie hop.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right. Like, but when. When I'm, like, hiding around a corner and I'm gonna scare my toddler, you know, like, I'll jump out. Like, that's what that looks like. Like, it doesn't, like. And if you're scared, that's not what you're doing.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It does seem, like, playful.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, it seems more playful than it does, like, fear. I don't. It's weird.

[Top Lobster]

So, I mean, we're also talking. Sorry, you're talking about, like, bipolar disorder as well. So this is somebody that could just, I don't know, presumably go from one extreme to the other.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

If we're being fair.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. I mean, she's like. I'm watching her now. She's coming back. She's got her hands above her head. She. It's. It's a fine line between distress and almost playfulness.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right. And, like, it depends on your lens. Right. Like, how you're gonna. Because at first she gets in and, like, she kind of stands in the corner. Like, almost like she's a little scared. And then she hides in the other corner. And then the way she, like, looks out, you're like, okay, that's fear. But then she jumps out, and then she stands just, like, outside the elevator.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You're like, why are you doing that Hokey pokey? And then she's like. Looks like she's petting the air.

[Top Lobster]

I think Robert brings up a very good point here. I don't really understand Chinese people either. True.

[David Lee Corbeau]

She is Korean, and I don't know much about. A bit of an enigma, really, Korean people. So that could. We could chalk this whole thing up to just being Korean, I suppose.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

And I guess like, like socially they do play games that are not things that we would normally play and they play differently because I was friends with a Korean for a little while and she would do things and I was like, that was weird. But that's totally like just what they do.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, now you're not friends with her anymore and that's probably a good decision.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Distance. People move. And like, yeah, I tend to move.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Away from people that play strange games. But I mean, you know, once again, it's just like this whole thing. If it was just the water tower alone in a vacuum. We found a body in a water tower. You would still have a ton of questions. How did this, you know, little chick get in here? She's naked, yada yada. The whole thing we just laid out, but this leading up to it, you know, this bizarre elevator scene and then layer on top of it the, the, you know, crazy history of the Cecil Hotel in general, it's like this is just. There's too much because I see like some people will just say, oh, it's just suicide.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, so there's, there's a theory that it's a copycat murder.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So there was this movie in 20 or 2005. It's called Dark Water. It was like a horror mystery.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Have you seen the movie?

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think I did a long time ago. Refresh, my man. What was that about?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So basically like, it's almost a parallel of Elisa Lam's case because there was a body discovered in the rooftop water tank. And the film's plot and real life tragedy involve a woman, an apartment building, experiencing like strange water problems and this like dark water effect or this element in the plumbing. The movie really centers around like supernatural occurrences like being haunted by a ghost.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This movie comes out before she dies.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, this comes out in 2005 and she dies in 2013. And the weird part is that the go or the target of the ghost. So the ghost was haunting this six year old girl whose name's Cecilia and she's the main character.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting. Cecilia. Cecil Hotel.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, and pull that back up.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Look at her.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So right here in the corner you see the water tower.

[Top Lobster]

Water tower.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I mean, the body was in the water tower. But like it's, it's so weird. That is haunting and like the daughter who is the, the target of the haunting is Cecilia and she's the main character.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Like even Hitchhaw could not have done it. So. So that reminds me of, of the white noise film. But White Noise was really wild because it was like it came out and then a week later, the plot happened in real life, which is, you know, we've talked about on the show. But the Ohio train derailment, now in the film, it takes place in the 80s, you know, and a lot of the, interestingly enough, much of the cast as far as, like, extras and background came from East Palestine, Ohio, which is where it happened in real life. But you have a train derailment and a toxic, you know, chemical spill. And then there are additional layers to the film that are very bizarre, but we've talked about them ad nauseam on this show. But then it takes place in real life. Only a week after or so it's released on Netflix. And because of the complexity of that situation, you would never recuse it of being a copycat. Right. I mean, yeah, you couldn't say somebody derailed the train because the Netflix film, you just are forced to look at that and go, I don't know what that is. I guess we'll just keep moving. But this, this film comes out when. 2005.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

2005.

[David Lee Corbeau]

2005. And then eight years later, this thing happens. I mean, man. Yeah, you could call it a copycat, but that still doesn't account for the bizarre elevator behavior and, and just the lack. I mean, does a copycat also have the expertise to leave no evidence behind whatsoever, signs of struggle, etc? Maybe, maybe.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But also you would think that, like, this does. You're going to copycat. Right. If you're gonna copycat a movie, then you would do it kind of closer to when that movie came out. Right.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I mean, imagine just being such a big fan of like anything Jennifer Connelly did.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I'm such a big fan of this five star movie.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. That you would go, and, you know.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It'S not a big movie. Right. Like, it was. But how many times in our life, like you're saying with white noise like that a movie happens and it's so similar to what's happening in real life. And they're like, no, you're basing that off of like, how many conspiracies where we're like, no, this is like a conspiracy. They're like, oh, that's just a movie. Like, they're literally telling us what's happening in real life.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

With movies. I mean, you have that with the Simpsons too. The predicting things like, no, the Simpsons are telling us what's happening.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. And the way I've begun looking at these things because it's kind of like Your mind wants to jump to some grand conspiracy about like somebody who's orchestrating these events is also letting us know ahead of time. But I think I'm more comfortable with the idea of like actually if you listen to these people, they'll tell you where they came from. These ideas come through some sort of spiritual inspiration and we talk about it all the time on this show. Whether it's like the muses with Greek culture where our, you know, their great works of art come from. They come from the muses. Or if you're talking about. One of our favorite examples is Santana, the, the guitarist Santana who says that his inspiration comes from Metatron. Metatron who is like I believe, a fallen angel. So the idea that this would be a supernatural event and that someone would have received this as some sort of inspired download or something eight years beforehand and, and said yeah, this is used to be a great movie. That seems kind of more likely than maybe the Jews doing the orchestra.

[Top Lobster]

I don't think the Jews had anything to do with this is an Asian. It makes you think that like, like so these, these pre programmed events or revelation of the method sort of thing. Yeah, I always look at it like, oh, they have to tell you. But maybe it's more of like, I don't know, like you know how the Maserat, the story is written in the stars already. So there's like a before beginning, present and there's an end to this. And these entities have already, like though they simultaneously exist and they torment you but they've already been judged and cast in the lake of fire. And it's. It's like it's done for them but it's being played out. I just wonder if, I don't know, let's say the director of this movie or the writer of this movie, you know, you receive a download because this is not uncommon. You receive a download of this story and like, like kind of how we're talking about it now, like this is fantastic. What the hell happened here? And you just get this, that this thing happened, has happened, will happen. I don't know, but I'm going to write about it now. So it's like you're shown this.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. And.

[Top Lobster]

And then they mimic it and then later on we go, oh, they copied that. But it's like, well, what happened? What actually happened first? And like how are we even perceiving time? This is, this is the idea of the, the calendar as well. Like we're so mixed up in it. We're like, where exactly are we in the timeline.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And how is this all playing out?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, to that point, like, I've been deep diving into remote viewing a little bit lately and so like, it makes me wonder. And this, this is far fetched, but like could. Because when you're remote viewing or you're doing an out of body experience, time and space doesn't really matter. Like you can go anywhere, you can be anywhere at any time. And so like, are they seeing things? And they're like, oh, let's go back and let's make a movie. Because they're saying that the CIA runs Hollywood, right? So the CIA runs Hollywood. They're like, oh, let's make a movie about this event that's gonna happen. And then like, maybe we can cover it up better, Whatever. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if there's like a big plan, but this will make a really good movie or this will make a really good episode. This will make a really good whatever. And then they turn it into, I mean, I think they're a civilian remote viewer and they're like, this is gonna be a great movie. And then they write it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, I think there could definitely be something to that. I mean, we. Somebody said the other day, like, how many times is somebody's like disembodied voice or whatever, actually some fed just fucking like blasting some shit into their head from a van outside. Like, I think that's on the table too. But when you think about the processes that, that ancient people have used to channel, right? You definitely have drawing, right? So people will take this thing and they'll close their eyes and they'll start moving this pen around. And then when they're done, they'll look at what they. Or the same thing with music, right? You're manipulating frequency. You're just kind of jamming and looking for something. You're just looking for something. You're opening yourself up and you're looking for something that sounds right. And then all of a sudden it starts manifesting on your guitar, whatever it is, and you're you, you plug in, you sync up to that frequency, which is where these things operate. I think writing is very much the same way where like people, you, you, you, you experience this. Or, or maybe not you, but we're all familiar with the stories of like there's a difference between an individual experiencing writer's block. But then what is the exact opposite of writer's block? It is this flow state where it's just coming and you're just going. And when you're done and you're left with, you're taken aback by this piece that you just wrote or this story that you just wrote. And I think that certainly then that leaves, you know, not just music on the table, not just pieces of art, you know, physical art, drawing on the table, but. But movies too, because people are writing all of this there. It was a book before it was a movie. It was like, you think this, what's her name, J.K. rowling. You know, they're like, oh, she just came up with it. She was kind of like down in her luck and on her last dollar and she would write it on the train. Like she was channeling, dude, she was scrying.

[Top Lobster]

You know, she admits to that now.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. And what do we. We watched. I watched Weapons and we were talking to Donut about the film Weapons, which is highly occultic and there's so much that they're revealing through it. And then when you do a little Google search, when they were interviewing the director, he said it came to him. It all came to him in a download. We talked to Tom Althouse, the original creator of the Matrix. And once we really got down to it, dude is holding like these manuscripts and everything and everything is stamped and approved and there's seals on it and, you know, this and that. I mean, it's a hell of a story to make up if it is a made up story. But either way, midway through the episode he's like, it came to me like a download.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, how many people say that about their dreams? People say that about their dreams all the time. Where they're like, I had this dream and then like, this all came to me in a dream. Like, I woke up and I, like, had to write or I woke up and I had to create this thing because I had this dream.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, I've had stuff like that before.

[Top Lobster]

I'm sorry, what was that?

[David Lee Corbeau]

One day I woke up and I.

[Top Lobster]

Think, I don't know what this is.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's because we talk about dreams all the time on this show and now we have a drop for it every single time. But I woke up one day and I swear I'm like, the worst. Because if the spiritual realm is trying to nudge me to, like, do a thing, I'm like, too lazy because I woke up and for maybe some of the chat might remember this. I just had this memory of Ugaritic text. The eugaritic text, Eugene text was like, in my head, like echoing in my head when I woke up. And I was like, duff, what is that? And then I simply never made any effort to do anything about it. Like, it was like everything in me was compelling me to, like, look up research, Ugaritic text, look into the you something about. And I was like, nah, I simply can't do that. And I left it alone. But how many people listen to a thing like that? They pursue it and there's something there, and then it opens up this doorway to some, you know, massive body of work or whatever.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Robert, what kind of prayer for you?

[David Lee Corbeau]

A lot, David. Thank you, Robert. I appreciate it.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

What could have happened? You looked into it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Who the hell I mean now? Sometimes I look it up and then I remember. I forget what the hell it said, you know? I know. I don't know if it's got something to do with, like, the Dead Sea Scrolls or something like that, but, you know, it's like, oh, there's something here. I know among the Dead Sea Scrolls is where, like, the Book of Enoch, I think, was found or something like maybe that. I don't know. I don't know. Spiritual Realm is highly disappointed with me. But I. I think this guy out.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Here with his podcast, he's got this.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Thing where he's saying all this instead. He's saying dumb things. So, yeah, man, I think that all of that is. Is on the table. So when I look at that film Dark Water, I think somebody was just an unwitting participant in something that was more spiritual than they probably. In fact, I think a lot of the times when are on stages accepting awards for this great work or that great work, like, that wasn't even your work. You're the conduit. You were the facilitator of a thing that was nudged spiritually.

[Top Lobster]

I wonder how much this woman, the. The Asian lady played in, like. Like, actual knowing what was happening, if. If something like that did happen to her. But what happens? What happens afterward? So there's this investigation. Nobody knows. And the hotel is shut down.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, the hotel is shut down. Let me find.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, because this happened in2013. It looks like the hotel shut down, like, 2021.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. So it was featured on Ghost Adventures in 2021 because it'd been like, it. Their claim was that it had been haunted for decades. It opened for that crew, but, like, it had been closed. I'm trying to find in my notes, when it was closed, was it closed.

[David Lee Corbeau]

As a result of this? Like, was this the final straw? Or it was just like, no, this.

[Top Lobster]

Is a health violation.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So it had been open and closed prior because, like, they Used. Closed down as a hotel. But then they used it for, like, Section 8 housing. That's what I'm trying to think. So use it for, like, Section 8 housing for a while too. So let's see. I have it in here.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So I just find the layers of. Of. I used to live In a Section.

[Top Lobster]

8 building of misery, downtrodden behavior.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. Well, actually, I've lived in twice in section 8 buildings. And one of them, my. My wife, we would see just this little shadow all the time, peeking around corners. You know, Every time we would turn, it felt like, how could.

[Top Lobster]

How could it not be? Like, I. I.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Exactly my thought.

[Top Lobster]

By the projects, how could they not be haunted? When you look at the behavior of the people that live there.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, you're paying cheap rent, your heat is free, your electric is free for the most part, but you're living with animals. And you guys, like, you come out of your apartments, you kill each other, you shoot each other. There's people dying in their left. Or.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's just everybody's on drugs. Everybody's miserable, depressed, angry.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You could hear the screaming, you know, between couples or families, behind closed doors.

[Top Lobster]

It's a haunted place. But we don't look at it like that. We call it, like, ghetto. And we'll kind of, like, make fun of it in a way, because it's.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Also like, like, all the anger that's like, that what it's like the, like, the energy field of it is like.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So it's. Hello. Yeah, it's heavy. And that's. That's what these things feed off of. They feed off of that kind of energy.

[Top Lobster]

And so it's weird when it's around, like, I guess whatever will be racist, but it's around, like, black people like you, for some reason, shadow people. I don't consider it haunted.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

It's like, oh, this is just ghetto.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, no, you know why?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Because they created the ghettos. They put all the black people in one area, and they created it to be a ghetto, to be what it is. And it's just like.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And they gave them crack and, well, each other.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, the story of the projects where I'm from is like, they were created in the 70s, and it was actually a pretty nice, diverse community of, like, all. All people. My. My parents are Puerto Rican, but there was, like, Irish people, you know, obviously like, lower class on the. On the monetary scale. And then when. Then when like, black people were started to be pushed into. Into these places. And again, it's like, is I don't, I don't know. It's like, it's fun to just be racist and be like, yeah, black people. But it's like, no, no, no. There's a condition here. Something happened here. Well, there's a level of misery that's like stacked on itself.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And what happens when you, you put all the poor people in one spot, which you're guaranteeing is you're putting all of the energy of despair and frustration and anger and sad, all of that. It didn't place it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but, but it wasn't like that. Like, if you talk to my parents who grew up there.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

When it was like a. And I think I know what it is if we're going to be serious. It's, it's not necessarily race because when they grew up there, there's a lot of people. There's like a whole mixed generation of people from every race that you can, besides Chinese, they weren't really here yet and things were cool. Like everyone, you know, they had their struggles. They, if they could pay, they helped each other out. And for the most part it was cool. When the black people came in, they came in with like this crack epidemic. So you're, we're adding like this race layer that everyone. It's very easy to look at the race layer.

[David Lee Corbeau]

There's a principality associated with that sort of drug use.

[Top Lobster]

100% for sure. Because it doesn't make sense. Why such a beautiful place? Like the projects there are nice like some of them in Coney island you can go and it has like panorama windows of, you can see the entire like Atlantic Ocean. And then to the left you can see like the boardwalk and the, the Ferris wheel and all.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's beautiful.

[Top Lobster]

Like on the top form, like this is a million dollar condo you should be paying for, but it's Section 8 housing.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And it's like that probably because, I mean, once the drugs are inserted, there's just a downward spiral in whatever happened there. And it's like again, exacerbated.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right. They, they facilitate the, the crack epidemic by flooding the hood with cocaine. And then what they do is they launch the war on drugs, which either if you don't die from the crack trade, meaning all the violence associated with the, you know, and the gangs and everything that are associated with selling it, you end up in prison because of the war on drugs, then you destabilize every household that's in that area. So there's a, there's a principality associated with this, with this drug and there's A heaviness from, you know, all the violence that's associated with selling it and trading it and all this. And then whatever is left. The men get thrown in prison. So the household is destabilized. The children are vulnerable. If the men or the spiritual head of the household, they're gone. Yeah, they're gone. So the family is vulnerable to all of the spiritual, you know, comings and goings.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The question is, like, how come they didn't flood the area, like, this specific area that we're talking about with drugs prior to the black people coming to that area? Like, it's the projects anyway.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's low income anyway.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, yeah, because they made an effort to destroy the black community.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Like, yeah, it's a. It was a formula. So if you did want to destroy a community, this is exactly how you do it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Leprechaun in the hood. That's a great dude.

[Top Lobster]

You know what?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Kind of funny, though. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because this is what you think of, like. Yeah, like, when you think of, like, hauntings in the hood, it's. It's very weird.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think of, like, hauntings with Sting.

[Top Lobster]

Hauntings are like, white people shit. Like.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

That's what we read.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Right?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

You don't hear of black people being.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Haunted because they don't want black people to realize that there's a spiritual implication to what they're dealing with.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, there's black ghosts or whatever it is. Yeah, they're haunted. Our horn, like, when. When I go. I have to go to New York in two weeks. Stop it. Stop it with your jacket. I gotta go to New York in two weeks. And I'm, like, not looking forward to. Because there is a spiritual heaviness of this. Like, go there, damn it. That place needs an exorcist.

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's so crazy because you do that. Right?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

You never been to New York?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, most of it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think it needs a.

[Top Lobster]

The places I go. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

But it is interesting to do that. So you create heavy spiritual warfare against the black community, and then you make it culturally humorous to. To associate, like, ghosts and black people. Like, black people specifically don't deal with ghosts, which I don't think there's ever really ghosts. I think there are things masquerading as.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Dead children and whatever you're gonna most likely, you know, engage with, which is why they always present that way either as a murdered woman or. Or a lost child spirit, because they're luring you in to. To engage with them. And as soon as you do that, you know, it has Some sort of foothold on life. But yeah, it's. That's a sequel. I always thought the leopard horrifying too. He's a really, really horrifying hood. Because there was Leprechaun, which was like a scary movie, and then there was like Leprechaun in the hood.

[Top Lobster]

And that was a comedy.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And that was a comedy.

[Top Lobster]

That's why I'm pulling it up, because leprechaun.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So I never watched Leprechaun, the scary movie, because I don't do scary movies. I pee myself.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Smart.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Watch scary movies.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This is old. This is.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, like 2000s probably.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's like when Scream and all, like, like the scary movie was all coming out. I watched all the scary movies.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, the spoof ones. Somebody in the chat brought up the idea of voodoo too, which is like. Yeah, a certain people group, you know, has principalities that they're more vulnerable to. Right. So that's why you get like voodoo or hoodoo that comes from like Haiti and things of that nature. Africa has its own ancestral spiritual worship that they are accustomed to.

[Top Lobster]

Probably Korea too.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Probably, I'm sure. Korea.

[Top Lobster]

I was making the joke before about like, I don't understand Chinese people or Korean people, but it's like, nah, they're customs are going to be foreign to.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

What so different from us.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're. They're engaging in a lot of that ancestral worship and things of that nature. So. Yeah, man. I mean, I think maybe it just so happens that because Irish and obviously they have. There's a. There's deep Catholicism with it within, you know, Irish and Italians. Right?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

And so they have their own thing when you look into like the Druids and Celtic mythology and stuff when it comes to Scottish and. And Irish lore. But I think they're long detached from that. And maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe that kind of thing is experiencing a resurgence. But when it comes to like especially migrants from. From Africa or from Haiti in particular or any of these places, like, yeah, they were just experiencing that ancestral worship, these nature deities and things like that. And then all of a sudden they're here and you know, they're trying to assimilate and is really hard, especially when the government is weaponizing your music against you. You know, flooding the. The hoods with. With crack redlining so that you can't buy property anywhere, you can't get approved for a mortgage outside of the hood. You know, there's a lot of things that are. It's almost like an experiment on like how Spiritually twisted. Can you make an area and a people group? And so how do we get on black people?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

We went down a freaking rabbit hole there. Let me answer your question, because I found. I found my. The answer to your question is when it was shut down. So in 2014, Richard Bourne from New York bought the hotel. He like their bear Simon Baron development. They promised they were gonna, like, preserve the architecture whatever whatever. In 2017, they actually closed it for renovations. Of course, covet hit, so they stopped the renovations. In December of 2021, they reopened as an affordable housing complex operated by the Skid Row Housing Trust.

[Top Lobster]

That's how we got on it.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yep. That's how that's how we got there. And then now Reverend Dylan Littlefield performs acts of service at the Cecil Hotel for the homeless population.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah. And so the hotel has been for sale since 2024. In 2025, there's still residents living in the hotel, but the Skid Row Housing Trust phone number is no longer in service. The website's been shut down. They're not the people operating the facility anymore. There's just people still living there.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's a wild thing to do, ultimately, is take this place that is one of the talk about the spiritual, then go, hey, let's give this to poor people.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's what you do.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

They're like, oh, this has been. There's so much like death and destruction and despair here. Let's go ahead and move a bunch of poor people into it. It's affordable housing now.

[Top Lobster]

This is what, like, we're doing a food drive.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Oh, that's right. Yeah. After Matt gets back. So probably like the fifth or sixth or something.

[Top Lobster]

We raised. We raised a good amount of money for it.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah. I don't want to raise any more money for it because it's like, a lot of money.

[Top Lobster]

But, like, I don't want to give. Like, if we're given to people that are poor, I don't want to give them shit.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This.

[Top Lobster]

It's the same idea. Like. Like, oh, here's like, you know, red 40, here's yellow five. Go ahead and dig that hole deeper, stupid. Like, that's like, I don't want to do that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That really. Because I was like, we can go to Publix and just buy nothing but beer and just turn it into a beer dry.

[Top Lobster]

You buy a lot of you.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That was a bad idea.

[Top Lobster]

Like, all this. That's why I was talking about the church and, like, using. Using their their refrigerator system. Because if you buy these perishables, most of them are like, you know, it's toxic garbage. And then you really think about what got this person here in the first place. Like, yeah, a lot of that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

A lot of slop of all varieties.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, they're going to be sick and they're going to like, when you're sick, you eat a bunch of like, junk and then like, you don't really want to move and you want to just like, sit around and then you're lazy. And now you're eating this Doritos and drinking the soda while you're playing video games because that's all you have the energy to do. And then you go to sleep. But like, now those video games are fucked with your head and people have anxiety because they're just scrolling on social media all day long and they just eat junk food. And your microbiome, your gut microbiome, is like the second brain that causes the depression, that caused the anxiety, that causes inflammation, that causes all this immunity, like immune system issues. And you're just like feeding that with, like, food. Yeah, of course people are sick. Of course people are not doing anything. Of course people are anxious. Like, we're feeding them like garbage.

[David Lee Corbeau]

This, this, this hotel, you said it's on Skid row.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's. This is what I'm saying. Like, all of the components of it. Think about, like, I wonder if I want. Man, I, I think what you're missing here with, with the, I guess your deep dive into this is like you probably got a deep dive into Skid Row, how that turned out the way it did. Because if this place was there before that neighborhood went to trash, and the neighborhood goes to trash because of policy. But there's like, there are other factors as well. So you kind of have to factor in all of these things and see, like, what happened here was that. Was this a hotel, the catalyst? Or is this hotel just kind of a, a symptom of, like, you know, it's just a sick area?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, yeah. It is interesting that there are sick areas though, because, like, not all of LA went to shit. But Skid Row is notoriously bad. So it makes you wonder like, I mean, if the theory that the Cecil Hotel is this portal, then is that why Skid Row became what it is?

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, this, this is interesting.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Is that what caused it?

[David Lee Corbeau]

It's interesting that it's a, A tower. Can you bring this up top? Because this is what it reminds me of. Like, you know, you have this land that is, you know, Poisoned. And then you have this tower in the middle. It's like the Eye of Sauron. Like, it's like this, you know, almost like the enemy planting its flag in its stronghold. You know, it's like what happens below there on the baseline is Skid Row. It's this, I mean, incredible level of despair. It's the same thing with, like, Kensington, you know, where you look at it and you. You're just like, this is a real spiritual stronghold. And. And then hovering above it is Suicide Tower. Like, geez, man.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

But then it also makes sense, like, looking at it. When Skid Row really came to prominence, you're seeing a lot of deaths through, like, the 60s and the 70s, and then into the 80s when we have, like, you know, the serial killers that come in. Well, that's gonna happen because the area is bad.

[Top Lobster]

Sure.

[David Lee Corbeau]

A lot of vulnerable people, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I don't know. You could go back and forth all day. Like, maybe it was just a murder, maybe it was just a suicide. Maybe it's something so much darker than that.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Like, it just feels like sort of a. A unique case in a body of really horrific. Not just in that tower, but, like, that area. And then you zoom out and what are you really looking at? You're looking at la, you know, which is. What is. What. What. What is los? It means the angels.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbeau]

City of the Angels. You know what I mean? Like, what? Fallen angels.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Like, it's a stronghold, dude. Like, the more you zoom out on that situation, the more you realize, like, this is just all a festering hole in a giant wound.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, no, like, la. Like, it's all bad.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It doesn't even, like, feel good to be there. It feels, like, weird.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I've heard people say that where you get off the plane at LA and you could just feel like the spiritual. I've never been. I have no interest in. In going.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Have you ever been to a place where you get off the plane? You're like, yeah, I'm so excited to be here. Like, this is cool. I got off the plane. Florida.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Florida, yeah. When I went to New Orleans, you could feel like there was really something there. And. And a lot of it, you know, the voodoo stuff. Yeah. And it gives itself away meaning. You could just look at it and go, like, oh, it's pretty obvious. And of course, you know, within the lore of. Of. Of New Orleans, it's nothing but voodoo and. And, you know, Santa Muerta and all this, that. That they do out there. But the look of it, too, you know, the Architecture. It's like this. It's beautiful, but it's dilapidated. It's falling apart. It's. There's like, you know, this. This. What would you call it, Novelty bar that is sinking into the earth. And. And it's like. When you look at it, you're like, it's part of a tourist attraction. Nothing's been updated. It's this window into a time where. Yeah, I mean, you know, we had all these people here from different countries, and we were importing people from Haiti like crazy, and. And voodoo was rampant. And this is, like, the epicenter for, like, vampire lore in America is New Orleans. And they've not changed anything about this place. And when you look at it, you're like, the only thing that's holding this building together is something spiritual, because for all intents and purposes, it should be vacant. It should be. What do you. What do you call it when. It's. When this. When the city shuts a place down, you know, like, it's condemned. It should be condemned, but instead, there are people going in there. They're serving drinks, you're having food, but you're looking at it. You go, this doesn't make any sense, man. And the whole place doesn't make any sense. It feels like it's propped up by a spirit. And then you look at, you know, what happened where the. Where the. The levees broke.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Katrina.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Was it Katrina?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You know, all the death and the looting, and it's just, like additional layers of. Of dark, spiritual energy. And then what is it doing in the meantime? Just debauchery. Just debauchery. I mean, as soon as the. The sun. You don't have to wait for the sun to go down, dude.

[Top Lobster]

In the middle of this thing, though, like, we can. We can. Look, we just talked about this case for, like, an hour and a half, and really, I think what we're looking at is this larger picture of everything around it. Like, this lady is just. She's just a. Circumstance. Yeah. She's a symptom of one of many things that has and will happen in this spot. And I always wonder it as well. Like, it's the reason why I left New York, because I got to a certain point and I looked around me, and I was like, what's left to save? Like, what could you actually pull out of this dump? Like, if you buy that hotel, then what? You could fix it up, but can you fix this place?

[David Lee Corbeau]

I don't think you could fix it. Daniel and Babylon. Like, Daniel didn't fix Babylon but he's, he's there in Babylon. There's still like, God still has people who are, you know, on that side, in that place. But yeah, it's not like Babylon was saved. It's not like Sodom and Gomorrah gets saved. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think, I don't think LA gets saved. I don't think New York City gets saved. I think if there's really a dude in the Cel Hotel who's a reverend and he's bringing God to these people, like, that guy is doing really serious work if that's the nature of what he's doing, like.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right.

[David Lee Corbeau]

That's unbelievable work. And God calls certain people to do that. I don't think God calls that reverend to save Skid Row, the Cecil Hotel, Los Angeles. I think there are just people in the belly of the beast that are saving souls. And, and that's about the best that you're gonna get until something, you know, until New Jerusalem or some, some like that. Like, I don't think that, like, I think those places are gone.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah, yeah. I, I, I don't know. I think it's harder, it's harder to look past because of all the crazy things. But I mean, you could say that about so many different places. Like how many places are haunted, quote unquote, because people have died there. But really it's just a symptom of the area.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So I don't know.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think it's just like the concentration of it. That's what I think it is. I think it's like if you were looking for the head of the zit, it might be right there. It might be like the Cecil Hotel, you know, and the irritation around.

[Top Lobster]

There's many, like, yeah, yeah, like I said, in where they built those affordable back knee. Yeah. When they built the affordable housing projects in Coney Island. It's a peninsula, but the surrounding area is called Graves End, and they call that for a reason. Like, that's where the Graves end from the Indians that they killed. So it's like that house, my old house, and all these places build on Indian burial ground.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then you kind of wonder why this place is forsaken. It's like fucking garbage.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Like, it's not a surprise, people.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, that was depressing.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

She was murdered. No, I think she killed herself.

[David Lee Corbeau]

No, I'm leaning more towards the idea that, like, she, she got in there through some sort of supernatural means. Like, she didn't, she wasn't conventionally, you know. Climbing into it. She wasn't put in there by somebody else. I just feel like there would be so much evidence. I mean, if they're, if they're bringing out the dogs, then after this case came to a head and they found her, they would have done some sort of forensics, they would have looked into us. If there was anything that was worth, anything that indicated somebody else was involved, anybody. Anything that indicated that she, you know, did this on her own. You know, it just. I feel like it would have come up, but instead you're left with these strange things. Like there's no marks, there's no signs of anybody else being involved. Like, it sounds like we don't understand the way she got in there.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Okay, how many times. I don't know if you listen to a lot of true crime, but how many, how many murders? How many times have, like, somebody has clearly murdered this person and they're like, ah, accidental drowning, ah, accidental, accidental death. Natural causes. They died by natural causes. You're like, no, there's strangulation marks on their neck. Like, that wasn't natural causes. Like, I don't believe that at all.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I also, I think that they typically will find, you know, you watch like these, these for the few that I have and the way that they figure out like, the involvement of, you know, this other perpetrator is like through the most obscure.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

You know, we found DNA strands, we found hair, we found the same mud on this shoe prints that we found in the tires that belong to the RAV4 that this fucking dude drove. You know what I mean? Like, it's like all these things and here they're like, nothing, Nothing.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So was it supernatural?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's what, like you said, was she murdered? I said no. Did she kill herself? I said no. I just think she died.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I think somebody just and blapped her into the.

[Top Lobster]

She's in there. I don't. Those are like two separate things. I don't know how they happened. She died. I don't think anybody killed her. And then she was in there, but, like, not put in there just now she's in there.

[David Lee Corbeau]

By the way, the whole manic bipolar, right? Is that what was.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Well, so she could have been experiencing a manic episode. But what you have to understand or what you have to remember is that she had her medication in her system. So typically when you're bipolar, like, you find a good cocktail. You're good. And so like, you can really regulate your, your moods. You're not doing like, massive, like, dips and spikes. You're pretty even healed. And she was on her depression medication as well. So if she was having a manic episode, that means that none of her medication was working, but she's still taking it. Because typically what I've experienced with bipolar is that they will stop taking their medicine because they're feeling good. Like, they're, I'm good. I don't need it anymore. So they stop taking it. And that's when the. Hits the fan. But if she's still taking it, it was in her system.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Then.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Is she experiencing a manic episode? Well, that's where I don't believe that she's in a manic episode at all.

[David Lee Corbeau]

The thing about that is I've. There was a video going viral recently where a guy was wearing, I think there was like, Ray Bans kind of, you know, that record. And he's going to one doctor, he's describing his symptoms, and they're giving him a diagnosis, and they're giving him a prescription, and he'll go to another doctor, you know, psychologist, whatever, describe the exact same set of symptoms, different diagnosis, different prescription. And he does it at, like five or six of them. One of them, like a little Indian lady. One of them's like this white dude, whatever they're all giving them, and it's like he gets hit with, like, you know, depression. Bipolar, bipolar, schizophrenic, you know, whatever. Like, all. Every possible, you know, damning psychological diagnosis you can get, this guy gets it, but he's telling them all the same. Which goes to show you, like, it's like, yeah, see, Marnie Mac said that she seen it, it was going viral, and it's like, wait a second, what? So you can bring the same symptoms to a different doctor, they'll give you a different prescription, some shit you can't even pronounce, and a different diagnosis. So what I'm getting at is under a different diagnosis, she could have been diagnosed bipolar schizophrenic.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Right?

[David Lee Corbeau]

And if she was bipolar schizophrenic, I would definitely be more grounded in my assumption that this is demonic in nature. I'm already there. But if she had just a different. Instead of just manic bipolar, whatever the hell it was, if it was bipolar schizophrenic, I would have said, oh, yeah, this is 100 demonic.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I think we need a little bit more background on her because, like, is. Is she prone to having these schizophrenic almost episodes? Right? Because that, like, to me watching that video, it almost seems schizophrenic like, yeah, a little bit. So, like, is she prone to this type of behavior or is this something that she's never experienced before? And that's why, like, her roommates. Her roommate. Her roommates. Her sister, like, not her roommates, but whoever was in, like, staying in the same room as her and her sister had also seen, said that they were worried about her erratic behavior. As if she doesn't do this often. Because, like, to me, if I was worried about my sister's erratic behavior, but she's often doing this, I'd be like, this is a symptom of her bipolar. This is a symptom of her schizophrenia, Whatever it is a symptom. Like, she has this diagnosis and she does this a lot. I would say that. But like your sister is saying, I'm worried about her erratic behavior, as if that's not normal. That's something that I would be very interested in knowing is, like, what is her history with that?

[Top Lobster]

How erratic was how. How frequent was that? And was that hotel coordinating, in a way, with her behavior?

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So she was still in university. That's interesting. So she wasn't even, like, I was wondering what her occupation was because sometimes there's. I would be interested in knowing her family because, you know, very often when you look into an individual that has a tragedy that befalls them, and there's also, in conjunction, some mental health issue, you will find like, oh, yeah, and then very close relative was military intelligence. Very close relative was this or that.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So I would be interested in knowing that. But that's not what I'm getting right now. Yeah, just. University of British Columbia. She was a student, so. Yeah. What do we say? 21 years old. Bizarre man. Bizarre. But I think it's just one thing that stands out in a. In a sea of strange shit. In fact, I bet you if. If anybody cared to look, you would find that the people that are on the ground level there at Skid Row all have the most horrifying and supernatural testimonies. You know, you look at the whole Kensington Avenue thing, and everybody's walking around like zombies, or not walking around, just standing and frozen in time, which you see that all the time. They're asleep, standing up. And if you gave these people the time of day, if you can get any clarity out of them, I'm sure that you would get supernatural testimony after supernatural testimony after supernatural testimony. But fascinating story. It really is. And it's just one of those things. I don't think we're going to get answers for but, you know, it's interesting to hear what the Cecil Hotel has turned into. Yeah, she's Section 8 housing where a reverend is working.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

It's not Section 8 housing anymore. Now it's just housing where, like, homeless. It's basically homeless housing run by nobody. But the reverend's there, like, doing. Doing God's work.

[Top Lobster]

I would like to talk to that guy.

[David Lee Corbeau]

We could find him and get. He's probably busy. He's probably. I mean, I'm sure he's super busy.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

He would take some time because he's trying to bring, like, awareness to it. Like, if he can bring awareness to it, maybe he can get help.

[David Lee Corbeau]

I wonder if he would be cautious in his characterization of what he's doing. Because I know if you're desperate for help, you often want to stay away from the more fantastic elements of whatever it is that you're. You're doing, because you then narrow the doorway through which people might enter to offer you help. But, yeah, that'd be interesting, maybe to reach out to him. Thank you, Danny. I appreciate your time. It's a fascinating episode. Before we get out of here one more time, let's let everybody know where they can find you.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The Rabbit Hole conspiracy theories. And then on social media, Rabbit Hole podcast. If you want to follow me. I. I do answer all the dms that I get. I'm starting. I started putting out two episodes a week, but if I don't have a guest, then you only get one episode that week. So I didn't have a guess, like last week. So Patreon didn't get an episode today or like yesterday on Monday. So next week there will be no guest episode.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Well, we'll have to have you back in next time you have something fascinating to talk about. Reach out to us.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

I. I feel like every single week I've got something fascinating to talk about.

[David Lee Corbeau]

Nice.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

So.

[David Lee Corbeau]

So we'll do it again soon then.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you, Danny. And guys, another great episode. Until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see. Will do it again.

[Danny from Rabbit Hole Podcast]

The end is written in the book in the pages they for.

[David Lee Corbeau]

D. When the last trumpet sound and the heaven.