TopLobster (1:59)

Stuff.

TopLobster (2:37)

Oh, it says hot mic. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. Happy? I hope your Thanksgiving was full of thanks. I am David Lee.

Matt Hepner (2:47)

Corbo. They heard.

TopLobster (2:48)

That. No, they heard that. It was a hot mic. We was blapping and we was guamin guaming at you live from the Standard coffee shop in Lady Lake.

Matt Hepner (2:55)

Florida. And.

TopLobster (2:56)

Casino. And casino. By the way, guys, you should be leaving five star reviews if you can. If you find it in your heart you want to give back to Matt Hepner over at the Standard coffee shop. That would be a great way to do it. That's top lobster, the father of disinformation. I didn't tell people who you.

Matt Hepner (3:10)

Were. You guys got to keep supporting the coffee shop because to be honest, the guy's kind of becoming a little bit of a.

TopLobster (3:16)

Superstar.

Matt Hepner (3:17)

Dude. It's worrying.

TopLobster (3:18)

Me. A hundred thousand views on. On YouTube. Matt's killing it. Pretty soon, I guess it's just gonna be Matt's show, and then we'll just be the side act.

TopLobster (3:28)

Anyway. Patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad. We aren't going there anymore because we're now not giving the pores anything even be doing this. We're not. Well, we should tell people, you know, where you want to support us in the. In the future when you hear this come out, you know, yeah, do.

Matt Hepner (3:44)

That. You could buy a.

TopLobster (3:45)

Shirt. Buy a.

Matt Hepner (3:46)

Shirt. Yeah, the shirts are.

TopLobster (3:47)

Cool.

Matt Hepner (3:48)

Yeah. Go support more of the.

TopLobster (3:49)

Standards. Oh.

Austin Picard (3:50)

Yeah. There you.

TopLobster (3:50)

Go. It's just really all about him. I'm getting tired of it. I'm getting tired of it. I'm worried he's going to overshadow us and we're not going to be.

Matt Hepner (3:56)

Cool. We still have the home studio, so we don't need to do.

TopLobster (3:59)

This. We don't need to be here anymore. I think we just bail on this whole studio in the standard coffee.

Matt Hepner (4:03)

Shop.

TopLobster (4:04)

Amen. You know.

Matt Hepner (4:05)

What? I'm leaving right now. Let's do the show real.

TopLobster (4:07)

Quick. Okay. We'll do the show first and then we bought him back right away because his topics always take a lot of time to unpack and he has so much information. And by the way, the part one of this is crushing on YouTube. So I'm very excited to welcome back Austin.

Matt Hepner (4:23)

Picard. We might not even. I mean, we're gonna do. Keep us to a 30 at 30 minutes. I don't care if we're done talking about it or even.

TopLobster (4:30)

Less. Oh, we'll just minutes unorganically segue. All right, fine. So. So first off, before we get started, where can people find you? Austin. And thank you for coming.

Austin Picard (4:40)

Back. Absolutely. And yeah, the. The hard segue will not be any. Any sort of issue, I don't think. But yeah, as far as just everyone go check out the underclass Podcast, it's definitely the best place to find me. And. And I say the Patreon is. Is also the best place to support me as well. Follow me on Twitter. I never plug it, but Theater Thug awp, I believe, is my handle. And, yeah, I don't know, guys. I just. At this point, I'm feeling like, as we had mentioned, the influencer industrial complex, the. The last episode, I felt like that just as far as what Top was describing privately before we started the show, it seems to be perfectly in line with that sort of strategic avenue of the. The mind war operatives that are. Are obviously laying the groundwork and fully, I think, systematically entrenching this. This social engineering conditioning, just.

TopLobster (5:43)

Exploitative.

Austin Picard (5:46)

Strategic outcome in many ways. But at the same time, it's. It's leveraging these. These prominent personalities in order to one stage these narratives by setting the table on what is and what is not the concept of allowable opinion. And then through that, they sort of misdirect the public within the concept of the false conclusion, I think, aspect of things. And. And that's where I do really reveal, you know, the sinister nature of what they're attempting to pursue and achieve in that moment. And. But yeah, if you want to just. Just kind of like, you know, introduce what you were. You were talking.

Matt Hepner (6:27)

About. Yeah, yeah, we'll add some context, and I think we'll try to be a little bit careful with it.

TopLobster (6:32)

Because. Should we show that tweet? Yeah, I like, we're like, let's be careful with it. No, let's blow this shit. It's not about being.

Matt Hepner (6:37)

Careful. I mean, like, I want to be specific. Yeah. Because I don't. I don't hate the people that are involved with this. I just. I got a lot of.

TopLobster (6:43)

Questions. I got a lot of questions, too. So. So the tweet. Now this tweet, I honestly have a feeling is a direct. So it's from Timothy Albarino. Yeah. He says there was a lot of nutty Nephilim theories out there that are both fundamentally unbiblical and wildly irrational. A word of advice, don't believe anything you hear on podcasts and never go full retard. Interesting set of themes in there. Podcast Nephilim retard. I don't know who they're talking about, and I don't know that they're talking about us, but I don't think so. Well, what I will say is I wouldn't be surprised if through the grapevine, the episode that we did with Karen Wilkinson got out, which we did have a very serious discussion about Timothy Alvarino and particularly his take on the alien disclosure narrative as it applies to whether or not they are demonic or, you know, something adjacent. And I would say that we've built a lot of theory over the two years that we've done this show on this foundation of like a Michael Heiser. Right. Where we're looking at the alien narrative as a rebranded.

TopLobster (7:50)

Sort of. How would you put it? Not a. Not a theory, but a visage really. Right. Like a, like a facade, an image. An image. And what these things actually are, is of the demonic realm. They are the machinations in one way or another of the fallen, of the Nephilim, of things that are stuck in this low vibrational realm that seem to maybe use, let's say alien grays as meat sacks that they can temporarily inhabit to engage in a limited way with the physical realm. This comes by way of Karen Wilkinson. The thing that really sticks out as strange to me is we, we talked about it on the show, so this isn't like breaking news. There are other people that we're aware of. I don't think we're going to say their names, who have been, let's say, on their radar there being Timothy Albarino, maybe the blurry creatures guys and whose ideologies really are in alignment with Michael Heiser's. I don't even want to say ours because Heiser is the guy that laid this foundation long before we came along. I just happen to agree with it wholeheartedly. And so they've had interactions with these people like Karen Wilkinson, like others, and they've actually not aired the episodes. And it's interesting that they all have this thing in common. They would maintain that the alien disclosure is an alien deception, maybe the biggest deception, and that it is of a demonic nature. And so if you listen to.

Matt Hepner (9:13)

These guys to disco, like I, I try to listen to Albarino and Blurry, but I'm not exactly sure what their take is on the aliens. They are physical creatures. Yeah. They're possibly also spiritual creatures. Yes, too. But then it starts to muddy the waters with are they demonic?

TopLobster (9:32)

And. Which by the way, gets a lot of ridicule. Pretty, pretty brash ridicule coming from guys like Alberino. Well, they'll say if you say that aliens are demons, you're retarded. You're retarded, you know, and, and I don't know that anybody's actually out there saying that outside of shorthand, just to like maybe get the conversation going. But. And, and let's remove the idea that they're talking about our show. It's a very nuanced opinion. We've had discussions with people like Karen Wilkinson, like La Marzulli, like our own buddy Colin, who seems to be going through some so of firsthand experience.

Matt Hepner (10:07)

And this discussions with Albarino himself. And he's.

TopLobster (10:10)

Conceded. And he's.

Matt Hepner (10:10)

Conceded. Well, not just, I, I don't know if conceded but like said like, you know what, there's something to that. It's just very strange. And, and as it comes on the heels of this new documentary, the Age of Disclosure, which is basically a government funded documentary with like Noel Harari and other kind of politicians and disclosure experts that are all paid for by disclosure exports. Yeah, it's, it gives me a lot of pause and I don't want to start to throw assumptions around, although I'm, I'm sure like Matt would think that we're just throwing, throwing assumptions on. But I got questions. Why is that happening? And Austin's on the show. Austin, you're one of the people that have been talking about this like this complex, this creator complex. And it's like I don't know what's going on anymore. And.

Matt Hepner (11:00)

People that should know the truth are kind of like, or not just know the truth of Pete. They're like slightly deviating from.

TopLobster (11:05)

It. I'm not, I don't.

Matt Hepner (11:07)

Know. What do you make of.

Austin Picard (11:08)

That? Yeah, I, I pretty much was, was describing it as an attempt to manifest and engineer socially this sort of New age ideological, esoteric, you know, system of control in many ways. Right. And, and I think that it's this occultism that's layered into.

Austin Picard (11:31)

Outcome as well. And I know that sounds strange, but I, I believe that this is really a manifestation of fulfilling this God hole within the, the modern structure of, of society itself and, and really kind of creating this, this New age ideology where people will then begin to embrace this, this kind of conceptual outcome in a sort of way and leave the, the age old sentiment of, of religious doctrine and, and various, you know, conservative value.

Austin Picard (12:03)

And hopefully I believe not hopefully in my opinion, but clearly in the minds of the, of the social engineers. I believe that they do truly want to usher in the dawning age of Aquarius. Right. Like this, this legitimate kind of rebuilt.

Austin Picard (12:23)

International, global, systematic structured, you know, that, that really is this kind of. I try to, I know people have their qualms about new world order, but it's obviously a term that they themselves utilize. And so it's nothing that I shy away from but I will say that the way that I described it because I covered the Disclosure project whenever I did my episode on Project Bluebeam. And to me, just seeing those usual suspects, the Stephen Greer's right of the world who are financed by the Rockefellers and legitimately, I mean, ever since Orson Welles and the War of the Worlds broadcast when, I mean that was a psychological operation to legitimately, you know, gauge the aftermath and, and the fallout in regard to the psychological phenomena and how it really affected the public and, and you had people, just farmers, you know, who legitimately believed that the Martians were invading and picked up all their belongings and went to the local federal building and, and were. We thought that we were under attack from an extraterrestri. It's just hilarious to me because the way that I described it, though I thought I was, I was pretty just as far as. I think that this still applies, you know, and, and that basically comes in the form of questioning this, this new orthodoxy, right? A new age religion, as I mentioned. And, and I believe that this is kind of these, these, these layers of, of of of mind manipulation have been, you know, undeniably is sort of interwoven into the public consciousness at this point. And so I think this is all about a potential fulfillment of a manufactured crisis that was paired with, with this sophisticated socially engineered prophecy. And, and I think that that in itself really provides us with the path to understand these secret government programs. As far back as Blue Book, where I can point to Alan Dulles being the. This is a brain Alan Dulles. You know, Post World War II, they wanted to manipulate the minds of the public by, by utilizing this extraterrestrial threat. And that in itself, you know, kind of, I think when you see how it runs perfectly in parallel with these, these government sponsored disclosure projects and things of that nature as far as these, these clandestine operations that very much like here's, here's the thing with Bluebeam itself, if you actually read through it, they have the big space show in the sky, right? And it's.

Matt Hepner (15:05)

Hilarious. I gotta just say somebody can you just read that note? What the hell is.

TopLobster (15:09)

This?

TopLobster (15:11)

This is a. I'm sorry to do this, Austin, but if this doesn't really ever happen, this is so. We've received a gift from the live audience. Is he in the chat? Shout out to Atma, one of the longtime homies and supporter of the show, for the fog machine.

TopLobster (15:30)

We've been gifted a fog machine. Just showed up here in the. And it says there's a note on it that Matt has written and he said, unbelievable. I want my life back. And this, this comes as a, as an inside joke, sort of from Matt's disdain for the 501C3 system, church system, and, and, and how they always have fog machines and laser lights. And now we have our very own fog machine, which is, which is honestly.

Matt Hepner (16:02)

Incredible. Leave that.

TopLobster (16:04)

There. Thank you so much. Atma dude, that's the coolest shit.

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Matt Hepner (17:06)

Co. Very strange. You were talking about Alan.

TopLobster (17:08)

Dulles. Please, please.

Austin Picard (17:09)

Go.

Austin Picard (17:11)

Oh my.

TopLobster (17:12)

God. Please. Come on.

Austin Picard (17:13)

Dude.

Austin Picard (17:15)

No. You guys know about Warner Von Braun, right? As far as, okay, so essentially you have the Rockefellers and the Jesuits that, that very much, I believe kind of manufactured the disclosure movement in general. And, and that in itself, I believe is, is a huge red flag. And, and you know, understanding that they had these specific, they had financed these, these, these, these research groups essentially that, that would provide this, this avenue of, of a sort of precedent, you know, in many ways. But yeah, it looks like Warner von Braun himself, right, who was very actively in regard to, in, in World War II and Nazi Germany. Like he was, he was attending, you know, slave camps and, and legitimate rights as far as like I think it was. I'll actually, I'll pull that because it's very interesting. He's actually present when one of the slaves were, were basically.

Austin Picard (18:21)

Tortured to death. You know, which is sickening to actually witness that, that this individual had so much connections to, and he himself had ordered his, his, his ex execution in order to be this sort of example, if I remember correctly, which is Fascinating to.

TopLobster (18:38)

Me. But you had what, what really happened there. And I wonder if, if you would agree with this. It seems like the Nazi regime, they're steeped in the occult. They actually do discover this spiritual realm filled with these entities. They make contact one way or another. And then what seems to take place is an, is a generational deception that is birthed out of the, the advent of.

Matt Hepner (19:00)

NASA. You see this Hollywood, it's so hard to explain to somebody like.

TopLobster (19:04)

Matt. I know it's a lot of.

Matt Hepner (19:06)

Catching up and I'm like, I'm talking about modern day Israel. But then the inception of modern day Israel comes in 19, 1948 and right on the heels of the destruction.

TopLobster (19:13)

Of Nazi Germany and then Wernher von Braun and NASA's created in the CIA operation Project Stargate. Boom, boom, boom.

Matt Hepner (19:21)

Boom. How do I explain to you a hundred years of deception. Of.

TopLobster (19:26)

Deception. Yeah. Orchestrated deception that seemingly gets us to the point where we.

Matt Hepner (19:30)

Are. Damn. Tweet from Timothy Albarino. This is the, this is the culmination of A Hundred years of.

TopLobster (19:37)

Deception. 100 years of deception. Well, that is the thing. It's like we've been programmed by Hollywood, by NASA, by all this apparatus that springs forth, you know, after Operation Paperclip to accept these things that Aleister Crowley even interacted with, right. In the, in the form of lamb, to get us to the point where we're going to accept a large scale alien deception. So, so you know what, the thing that gets me is.

TopLobster (20:06)

What'S coming. And a lot of people will say, luckily not our audience because of who we're talking to. But a lot of people will say, why are you even focused on this thing? I don't think people realize how funded the disclosure is going to be, how cohesive the disclosure is going to be, how many experts are going to sing the same song on, you know, on the topic of disclosure and how, if that is truly going to come to pass, it will be one of the greatest lies ever.

Matt Hepner (20:35)

Orchestrated. And see, when you read the Bible and it says that there will be like a great, there will be a deception that'll fool the mass, it'll fool everybody. And you go, how the hell are you going to fool the entire church? I was like, well, let's look at how closely, how closely tied this, this like narrative is to the church and not like to the biblical church, the body of Christ, to the modern.

TopLobster (20:57)

501C3. Yes. What did the Pope say, by the way? The Pope said he would baptize him.

Matt Hepner (21:01)

The. Well, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking about the establishment that is like basically owned by who?

TopLobster (21:08)

Israel.

Matt Hepner (21:09)

What? I don't.

TopLobster (21:10)

Know.

Matt Hepner (21:10)

The. Yeah, it's.

TopLobster (21:12)

Crazy. Why would you say something like.

Matt Hepner (21:13)

That? Because. Because it's just so blatantly in your face all the time.

Austin Picard (21:16)

Right? I don't think that's.

Matt Hepner (21:17)

True. It's very frustrating, man. And I'm trying to put together these pieces to exactly why and how and how to explain it to the common person that just wants to go to church and, you know.

TopLobster (21:31)

Learn. Sit in the fog machine. Sit in the fog machine, have some laser lights, Spirit, the holy spirit, Listen to the songs. I don't know, dude. I really want to plug this.

Matt Hepner (21:39)

Thing. I want to plug.

TopLobster (21:40)

In. I want to plug it in so bad. It's very frustrating. It does different colors on the fog. But, but, you know, Austin, from where you're sitting, you know, having looked at so much high level espionage, so many, can I just say, yeah, I.

Matt Hepner (21:53)

Feel really bad that we're coming after.

TopLobster (21:55)

Albarino.

Matt Hepner (21:55)

Like. No, but I feel like it's just like I'm reading and I'm perplexed.

TopLobster (22:00)

And I want to know more and.

Matt Hepner (22:02)

I want to know.

TopLobster (22:02)

Why. Well, look, I'm confused when. When you look at these and we were talking about the, the. What did you call it? The. In the influencer industrial complex, which is one of the greatest.

TopLobster (22:15)

You look at the apparatus that's getting built up around Disclosure. You look at the way that maybe certain influencers are starting to get ahead and sing the right tune. Does this not bare.

Matt Hepner (22:25)

Resemblance. Austin Forbes. Is that his.

TopLobster (22:26)

Name? Austin Forbes? Yeah, he's.

Matt Hepner (22:28)

One. I mean, it's, it's, it's a clear path. It's like, hey, no one's gonna listen to your anti gravity stuff, right? But, but sing this.

TopLobster (22:35)

Song. $7,000. Well, I'm singing this.

Matt Hepner (22:38)

Song. Maybe not even paying them, but maybe just sing this song and then you'll see them do it. And you're like, this is to your detriment. It doesn't quite make.

TopLobster (22:43)

Sense. But I think what Austin really has, you know, is this intimate knowledge of how these systems work. He's looked at so many systems, you know, thousand foot overview, and then an intimate. You know, by the way, we.

Matt Hepner (22:57)

Have 11 minutes on.

TopLobster (22:57)

This. I know, I know. But does this, does it look to you, Austin, like one of these? Because so often these patterns repeat themselves. This looks like.

TopLobster (23:08)

An.

Austin Picard (23:08)

Op. Oh, yeah. That is my entire perspective on the Disclosure project in general and the origin story behind it. They called it the battlefield of the Mind. Right. And I, I believe that this is legitimately how you kind of, you know, perfectly. Let's just say divide, you know, let's separate, you know, the notion as far as the spiritual context of, of what this fulfills in terms of a scientific component of how individuals can point to something that really becomes this, this.

Austin Picard (23:46)

Honestly, it really becomes a faith, a sort of a factor involved in the extraterrestrial concept alone. Right. You become a believer, an indoctrinated cult member to a certain degree. And I think I'm not at all denying the possibility. Right. I again would say interdimensional is far more, I'm far more open minded to that than some sort of.

Austin Picard (24:15)

Yeah, I'm not even certain. I, I don't believe we've ever penetrated the space, you know, in, in terms of, I don't think we ever actually have have gotten outside of the Van Allen Belt. Right. I believe that, you know, that alone. That's sort of what I was getting to in terms of von Braun because of what was on his, his tombstone, you know, I always found to be so fascinating, which is hilarious to me, especially considering the scientific kind of back who this man was and. Right. The father of modern rocketry. I mean, it's just ridiculous. The father of space travel. Right. He was the father of many things, apparently. And also he. So this is fascinating to me and something that I had discovered during that episode on Blue Beam, because I think it was in 58, whenever NASA was fully established by law. And then Warner von Braun by 1960 becomes the first director and he holds that position until 1970 for around 10 years. And then basically what's interesting to me though is that he had been exposed through being one of the paperclip Nazis, obviously, who was brought over with evidence proving he was even a member of Hitler's elite ss, which makes sense. And. And then you have multiple holocaust.

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Austin Picard (26:38)

Co. Who identified Von Braun directly as ordering the floggings of slave laborers who attempted an act of sabotage while being forced to work in the rocket program at the Middle Beldora concentration camp where 20,000 were reported to have died from illness, beatings, hangings and intolerable working conditions. So he directly was, you know, even a French prisoner, I guess, claimed that he stood by as prisoners were hanged by chains, suspended by cranes. So this is the, the father of modern rocketry in the space program. And he would die, I think in. It was like by 1978 or 77, I think is when he actually died from kidney cancer or something to that effect. And that is when he told this. This is so hilarious. Because the woman that is now the face of the Disclosure project is, is a woman by the name of Dr. Carol Rosin. All right, She's a spook. There's no doubt in my mind, like she's 100. I believe that the entire Disclosure project can be directly traced back to the intelligence apparatus. And, and I believe that she herself would become. Carol Rosin was given the deathbed confession, allegedly by Von Braun. She's the individual who heard his deathbed confession, which is very interesting. And she served as the very first female executive of an aerospace company, working as corporate manager of Fairchild industries. And so Dr. Carol Rosin was a spook who founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space. And it's just fascinating to me that, that clearly she is involved with projects directly linked back to that of these UFO whistleblowers that have CIA connections. And so you then begin to realize that it was, I believe in 2013 there was a citizens hearing on the Disclosure project, right? And, and this was all financed and put together and orchestrated by Lawrence Rockefeller. And so it makes sense that, you know, the vast majority of these UFO backed related projects just can be effectively traced directly to, you know, the, the very, you know, suspects that have perfectly orchestrated, you know, the, these, you know, let's just say the deliberate deception at play in the sort of modern paradigm that we, we even engage with this concept, you know, kind of, this is how they set the table, right? It's the psychological operation aspect of these things and the human Potential. And there's so much connected to this that it seems like this is really a transhumanist agenda in certain ways as well. And that's why I think seeing that you have direct, like Stephen Bassett and. And various individuals like this who are legitimately financed by Jesuits connected to the Rockefellers directly as well, then it begins to make sense, because the Jesuit order comes up far too often in. In many of these circumstances. And it was the. The Bible verse, though, that I found to be one of the most fascinating aspects of. Of what was, you know, effectively on the tombstone of Warner Von Braun. Right. And. And so it was apparently what he had put was Psalm 19:1.

TopLobster (30:06)

Right? Yeah. God showeth his handiwork in the.

Austin Picard (30:09)

Firmament, I believe, is the heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth his.

TopLobster (30:15)

Handiwork.

Austin Picard (30:16)

Yep. Like that alone, man. Come on. That's difficult.

TopLobster (30:20)

To. You know what's funny, Austin? I was just hanging out with a bunch of.

Matt Hepner (30:23)

Family. Deathbed confession, it is.

TopLobster (30:25)

That. But I don't know how you dismiss that, you know, any other way, but I'm hanging out with my family and. And I'm kind of, you know, saying this crazy stuff to them. And at one point I was hit with. Well, I don't think that that could be because, you know, it would. It's a secret that's too big, and it would take too many people to. And everybody knows people keep us. And I'm just like. It's just such a classic response, like, oh, people can't keep a secret that big. And I go like, oh, if you're paying attention, they.

Matt Hepner (30:53)

Don'T. The ones that don't.

Austin Picard (30:54)

Die.

TopLobster (30:56)

Yeah. And if you're looking, the secrets come out. You just have to be looking for them. I mean, yeah, sure, people have a hard time keeping secrets, but what does it matter if they release their secrets if you're not listening? Oh, man, it happened. What's. What's homeboy's name? Armstrong.

TopLobster (31:14)

Is that the guy.

Austin Picard (31:15)

That. Oh.

TopLobster (31:15)

Yeah. He's constantly, like, letting these.

Matt Hepner (31:18)

Little. He's like, punching reporters and.

Austin Picard (31:19)

Stuff. Oh, that's a.

TopLobster (31:21)

Girl. That was just like, how come we haven't been to the moon again? And I swear he like, leans in and he goes, because, you little slanted eyed, we never went there in the first place. And then.

Matt Hepner (31:31)

He. Dude, I.

TopLobster (31:33)

Will.

TopLobster (31:36)

Not. The bike guy. What's the dude's name? Is that. Is it. It's Armstrong, right? Neil.

Austin Picard (31:40)

Armstrong. I want to say Neil.

TopLobster (31:42)

Armstrong. No, Lance is the bike guy. Dude, Neil is.

TopLobster (31:46)

I believe that's him. But anyway, yeah, it's just funny because whenever you're on the show, you do such a great job of showing all the details and the names and the places and the documents and the. And the. The dates and all this stuff, and it's like, no, look, the secrets were kept. And if you're. If you're like Austin, you can do a pretty good job of getting to the point where it doesn't feel so secret anymore. It seems pretty obvious because there's always. There's always a paper trail. Always a paper.

Austin Picard (32:14)

Trail. No, I. I didn't mean to step on you there. I. I.

TopLobster (32:18)

Just. Buzz.

Austin Picard (32:19)

Aldrin. Yeah, that's it. I was just about to. So.

Austin Picard (32:24)

Neil Armstrong, which.

TopLobster (32:25)

Which.

TopLobster (32:33)

Dude on the. On the moon was Armstrong or something? Neil. Neil. I think it was Neil Armstrong.

Austin Picard (32:39)

Yeah.

TopLobster (32:39)

Yeah. Yeah, because it's a. That's why his name backwards is alien. Like Neil A. Is. Is. Is alien backwards, which is stupid. But, no, it was Buzz.

Austin Picard (32:51)

Aldrin. He punched Bart Sobral is, I believe the guy's name who wasn't he. He was on Tinfoil Hat back in the day, I believe, a couple times. And he's a. Interesting guy, honestly. But I will say he wrote a funny. What A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, I think is the book that he.

TopLobster (33:10)

Wrote.

Austin Picard (33:11)

Yeah. And honestly, he's. You know, I will say he's not. He's not the most reliable source. So something that I. I would just. As far as just, you know, I don't know. There. There are more. Just as far as prominent sources that I think are far more reliable that are. Are worthwhile and effectively kind of, I don't know, just pointing people to. In terms of some sort of credible, you know, avenue. But I'm. I'm not at all contending with much of what he has to say because I do definitely agree with. With a lot of what he has said and. And shared in terms of the moon landing. But I will say it was hilarious the way that he approached Buzz Aldrin before he just straight up dapped him up in the street, which. Hey, man, I'll be honest. Like, if just some, you know, an older gentleman who. Who, you know, legitimately just. He doesn't have any time for this.

TopLobster (34:06)

Or.

Austin Picard (34:07)

Right. He's like, that's what it seemed like. Aldrin's just like, dude, I'm done with it. I don't give a. If we win or.

Matt Hepner (34:13)

Not.

Austin Picard (34:14)

Like. Like, that's kind of how he seems to be honest. And, and really many of the, those, those the actual astronauts who effectively were, were intended to believe made the spacewalk right on the moon. I, I think they were really, I don't know how read in they were on the ultimate outcome of things and you know what I mean? I think it's far more efficient if you keep things compartmentalized in terms of the operation anyway, let alone the rotary telephone call to the moon.

TopLobster (34:42)

Directly. That was the.

Austin Picard (34:43)

Best. Come on, what are we doing.

Matt Hepner (34:45)

Here? Do you know what was like really compartmentalized.

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Austin Picard (35:47)

Intelligence. Oh my God. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Beautiful segue. But give me one brief moment before we do that because there were two examples I had to tell you as far as we had. We had been discussing the disclosure project and, and basically there's a, there's evidence that really I think reinforces a lot of what I was attempting to say, which essentially is just my perspective on disclosure and the extraterrestrial phenomena truly being. And the UFO flying disc craze, all of it essentially being this manufactured operation from really psychological operation that, that was the brainchild of Alan Dolas in, in more ways than one. And, and we have documentation and legitimate evidence that we can point to. For example, there was an individual by the name of, of Walter Bettle Smith who was the CIA director right during the 1950s. And basically.

Austin Picard (36:46)

There was a, an internal document that was effectively presented to the Psychology Strategy board of the CIA in 1951 or 1952. And, and it says today we are transmitting to the National Security Council a proposal in which it is concluded that the problems associated with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for psychological Warfare as well as for intelligence and. And intelligence operations. I suggest that we discuss at an early board meeting the possible offensive and defensive utilization of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes. So that's one beautiful example, right? In many ways. And then also you have the radar deception that played out as far as the manipulation of what they called the battlefield of the mind. And there was. There was a. An essay that was written by this man by the name. He was a leading chemical engineer, right, who worked on the Manhattan Project, and his name was Dr. Leon Davidson. And he himself be. Would become one of the. The leading UFO investigators during the Cold War. And he writes an essay in 1959 that he titled CIA Plus ECM Equals UFOs how to Cause a Radar Sighting. And he. He states, I contend that since 1951, the CIA has caused or sponsored saucer sightings for its own purposes by shrewd psychological manipulation. A series of, quote, normal events has been served up so as to appear as quite convincing evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs. So that's another ridiculous example. And then we have Lord Mountbatten of all people, who's a member of the Anglo Irish vice ring, coming out and making statements about unity and, and Fabian socialists who are legitimately doing this. This very same thing, right, who are attempting to present this as a collectivist philosophy, right, this, this new age mindset of how we could unite against the common enemy, an outside threat which then Reagan later would. Would sort of parrot and reinforce in many ways as well. But this was as early as the 19, you know, early 1900s, 17, that these statements are being made. And then one final statement that I want to make before we make that a hard segue is basically that Alan Dulles became actively involved by 1950 with the CIA work on. On flying saucers and UFOs. And he saw, allegedly saw. This is according to an open letter from 1962 that was written in regard to mass psychological warfare, right? In regard to UFOs, yes, and the CIA and. And American technology being utilized for these purposes. Twofold purpose, allegedly. And. And so it was during 1950 when Alan Dolas allegedly became actively involved with this CIA work on UFOs and saw the psychological impact in which. With which they had. So he started a plan to build them up as a psychological warfare weapon, okay. Project Blue.

Matt Hepner (40:05)

Book. Something crazier too. So the Book of Enoch was found in 1773, the first complete copy in Ethiopia. But they found, they. They basically verified it among the Dead sea scrolls in 1947. So like 1947, 1948 to.

Austin Picard (40:24)

1950. Perfect timing.

Matt Hepner (40:26)

Buddy. All this stuff happens, but it's like it doesn't delegitimize the book because it's been around for years before that. And they say it's written in, like, the first century, but it's. I guess it's solidified in that. In its legitimacy, that, like, oh, look, we found it now. But it happens in right around this time where all this stuff is.

TopLobster (40:45)

Going. That is interesting too, because the guy from. What the hell is his name.

Matt Hepner (40:49)

From that book's found, Israel's founded, and then boom. Like we continue with every other project. We have NASA afterward, like the.

TopLobster (40:56)

Space. But what's this guy from Ancient Aliens? That, that, that did the. He did a cover of the Book of Enoch, the Return of the Gods. It was. I forget what the hell his name is, but he looks at it strictly through this sort of technological advanced civilization.

Matt Hepner (41:12)

Angle.

TopLobster (41:12)

Khan. No, not Jonathan Khan. Book of the the Return of the Gods. Enoch. The Return of the Gods comes from one of the guys that was big on Ancient Aliens. And I'm not saying that he's part of the op, but like, you can see the way that you could use Enoch to bridge into this alien narrative and you can kind of massage it so that it's. It's strictly. Strictly technology. Strictly space brethren. Oh, it's Eric Von Daniken. It's actually right by your head, the second one from the bottom. Eric Von Daniken. So that's a very interesting kind of. I mean, he's a big character, right? He's got a lot of influence within this community. And so, yeah, Return of the Gods, Enoch and the Return of the Gods. And I can see this, like, constant effort for this kind of Ancient aliens take to. To reach into this, and there's. There's minor deviations. And if they're, you know, fundamental to the story and you deviate in that way, well, then it changes the whole nature of the.

Matt Hepner (42:10)

Story. It's a very dangerous combination. What I think what's happening here, because Austin is like, debunking this from this, like, almost like state level, these government contracts and, and forms and dates. And we're kind of coming at it from this, like, biblical perspective or even extra biblical perspective. It's.

TopLobster (42:29)

Very. Well, that's. That's the thing. And, and, you know, we can get off of it after this. But what I will say is it's very obvious that there is a government component to the whole thing. Right? Like, if you look into the. The presence of military in all of these instances, it's saturated every. I mean, how often does somebody have an alien abduction experience? And there's also military personnel like, know, you, you. The. The idea of reverse engineering, the idea of psychological operations, the idea of deploying, you know, mind control or, or deploying sufficiently advanced technology in order to create a situation that creates an opening for military intelligence to then fill the void.

Austin Picard (43:08)

Right.

TopLobster (43:08)

Let. Let's just.

Matt Hepner (43:09)

Say. Well, where. I think the question I'm having now is like, where does the deception begin? Where does the truth start? Because I, I personally believe that there is something true about.

TopLobster (43:20)

This. Yeah. And I could see Zach is saying that. Talk about Jack Parsons and JP Jet Propulsion Laboratories. No, but, but it's, it's very, very obvious. There is a.

Matt Hepner (43:31)

Huge. Have him on.

TopLobster (43:32)

Again. There's a human element to this. You know, it's one of the things I like that Merkel says where, where he looks at it and he goes, yeah, all of the above. There's military intelligence. There's demonic entities involved. There's all of this. There's, there's, there's the human element. It's, it's, it's very muddled and messy on purpose. And there is a psychological operation that has been hatched upon the people for generations now since that, conservatively the 50s, to get us to believe, you know, a certain thing about these entities. And, you know, which is why it's frustrating whenever people that have a lot of influence within this community that seem to be close to the disclosure are saying that if you think this is demons, you're a retard. And it's like, dude, you can't remove that. And number one, you're straw manning it. You're reducing it. It's not that simple. And you can't remove that. And why aren't you talking to the people that have actually experienced this? That's, that's my thing. There's people that are in the know who have had real experiences, who are tied up with guys like La Marzulli who have a piece of this puzzle that's huge. And it seems to me like you're trying to omit a piece of the.

Matt Hepner (44:35)

Puzzle. Seems like they're Scoffield Bibleing the Book of Enoch, which is very bizarre to me. I don't.

TopLobster (44:39)

Like. Well, well, either way, we.

Matt Hepner (44:43)

Columbine.

Matt Hepner (44:46)

We just completely destroyed any possible invitations in the future. But that's fine. Needed to be.

TopLobster (44:53)

Said. Needed to be.

Matt Hepner (44:54)

Said. I just want to know. Very concerned if you do see.

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TopLobster (46:28)

You doing? Yeah, what do we like.

Matt Hepner (46:30)

What'S happening? Because if I, if I can get like a legitimate explanation that is satisfactory in my opinion, then cool man. Because I love, I love the work that these.

TopLobster (46:38)

Guys do. But I'm not, I'm not gonna let it go either for the audience. I spent quite a bit of time talking to my, my family over Thanksgiving and I got a lot of my wife and I got a lot of information in regards to the things that my, my grandmother experienced before she passed away since childhood and it's just Karen Wilkinson's story. It's just Karen Wilkins over and over again. Over and over again. She experienced this intimately and it, I, I think ruined her. It ruined her and she ended up passing away very young because of alcohol related issues and she couldn't figure out and it led her down spiritually bankrupt paths and, and just you know, all this chaos and it starts from when she's a child child and.

Matt Hepner (47:19)

All these abductions experiences and I'm sorry to in like, like continue to detract from what we came here to talk about. But it's like the alien abduction encounters, they closely resemble demonic encounters. And demonic encounters like always lead to passive destruction. You'll see people that are on paths of destruction that are clear demonic encounters but they can't diagnose it because they don't have the verbiage or that maybe they're just too like, like afraid to look at it directly or maybe they haven't like done this research or came across what, what, what's happening and it's like, it's important that we link these things together and then when you start to throw the government influence into there, it gets super nefarious. We can't let.

TopLobster (47:57)

It go. No, I'm, I'm not letting it go. I've got a little bit of a vendetta now, but please, you know, let's. Well I'm, we're straying into part.

Matt Hepner (48:06)

Three.

Austin Picard (48:06)

Now. Right. Well and for, for the record, I, I just want it to be known that I'm not at all denying the, the spiritual conceptual outcome here in terms of the, the, the in many ways I believe that the state will always implement a sort of.

Austin Picard (48:26)

At least manipulated. A manipulation of prophecy in certain ways. Right. In terms of the spiritual nature of how you can legitimately let's say, misdirect the public. And I think that they will always attempt to utilize ideological groups. Right. Of any kind and, and kind of yes. Infiltrate with, with various individuals who, who will effectively you know, perform the mind manipulation necessary in that field. Right. Or some, however you want to describe it. But I will say that, that in no way am I denying. Right. This spiritual manipulation that I think is, is being conducted and knowingly I think it's, it's a sinister and, and deliberate you know, sort of attempt to, to really leverage and exploit these, these lower frequency individuals who aren't quite you know, engaging with the proper interpretation of things in terms of you know, just as far as like I legitimately believe that and, and someone in the chat had mentioned the Jet Proportion Laboratory and things of that nature. Yeah. I mean Jack Parsons and, and the Pasadena Lodge, right. To the connection to L. Ron Hubbard and, and he's out there performing the Babylon working sex ritual in the, in the desert, you know, with, with which is legitimately sex magic. Right. And the Thalamic Goddess of Babylon that, that they're trying to manifest and incarnate. Right. Using Jack Parsons wife at the time, who L. Ron Hubbard runs away with Right. Which is just the whole thing is, is drenched in occultism. And and and and also I mean there's still there was a crazy story about.

Austin Picard (50:14)

This individual. I'm talking like just a few years back went on Joe Rogan. He was called the Python Cowboy. You remember that guy. And, and basically he had. Well I had watched it. He was like a conservationist and and would go out and. And was wrangling pythons essentially to help conserve. Right. The uh, the uh, what's it called? The Florida Everglades. Okay. And and so he essentially had gone out, he had to receive access and essentially be given access and approved to to visit this old Jet Proportion Laboratory, uh black site from the Cold War. And so he, he had to gain access by the local government in, in order to even access this this area geographically. And it was so far deep in into the Everglades. And so he inevitably finds. Finds the the actual.

Austin Picard (51:10)

Laboratory itself which is kind of broken down but still seems like people are effectively utilizing it to some extent for some some reason or another. And then he, he begins to, to basically I I'm pretty sure he had a couple of guys with him who were were who were help helping him kind of film things and things of that nature because he has his own show that he was trying to do. But I thought it was interesting because at the very least he, he. He stumbles upon a ritual sort of blood ritual site, right. This occult site that that is utilizing the Jet Proportion Laboratory, this broken down.

Austin Picard (51:50)

Missile manufacturer production facility that that that Jack Parsons himself had a connection to. Which is fascinating because apparently this had long standing ties to occult rituals. And so this individual had just kind of stumbled onto.

Austin Picard (52:07)

What he viewed as they were they. There was even.

Austin Picard (52:13)

This sort of crazy like Latin written in blood on the ground surrounding what looked like a sort of of funeral pyre that had a baby doll just sitting on at the center of it. And it looked as if one of the eyes had been plucked out strategically in the, in the ritual itself which is very. I think it was the left eye which that in itself is kind of occultism occultic in nature and and the symbolic aspect of it. But there was a scarlet snake that was, that was that he discovered that was like slithering through its eye hole and like had. Was wrapped around the neck of the baby doll whenever he discovered it. And in Latin I believe the phrases were like turned back or there were a few different phrases that were written on the ground as he's like approaching this area. And, and yeah, it was very interesting to me, because the scarlet snake allegedly had, was bleeding from the anus and he himself had claimed he had never seen this in, throughout the course of his lifetime and you know, experience with, with these just snakes in general. But, but yeah, that, that alone reminded me of how they utilize snakes in some of these abuse networks, which is fascinating as well. Talk about bestiality. In the Detroit network. Yeah, in the Detroit network part of the, the abuse, apparently they, he would take around a scarlet snake and, and use it to sexually abuse the victims. And you know, it's, I'm talking the most sinister things you could read. And, but that's what it reminded me of at a certain extent. And so he continues to follow the tracks of the blood inside right after he finds this baby doll and he goes inside and he sees this sort of blood effigy on the wall and in, in a neighboring room is this kind of sleeping bag which looks like there's a, a lump, you know, some potentially a body. Right Is how he described it. But he, he didn't go that far. After he found that, he basically freaked out and left and called the authorities. But what he had discovered inside was it seemed like there were all these crazy symbols on the walls that looked like they were written in blood. And then there was a, a chair in the center of the room. And it looked like this was where the sacrifice had taken place because there was a pool of blood under the chair. And then on the wall was like nailed to the wall was a dress that looked like a dress of a young, like 6 year old. Like it definitely was not an old, you know, it seemed like a very, a young child's, you know, clothing obviously. And it looked as if it had blood on it as well. And it was nailed to the wall. So it did seem as if. Oh, I, I, I think he even mentioned the fact that she was only 9 was written on the wall in.

TopLobster (55:09)

Blood.

Austin Picard (55:10)

Right. Jeez. And so this is an old jet proportion laboratory in the Florida Everglades that Jack Parsons used to apparently actively engage in occult rituals there. Right. And so for this to still be an active site for legitimate occult blood rituals, that makes a lot of sense, to be honest, because I, I think a lot of these areas are geography geographically utilized in this sort of way. And you know, I would imagine the way that I see so many of these occult networks function, you have this dynastic kind of generational family dynamic, right. Where they keep it in the family. You're initiated once and for all, essentially. And, and based on your genealogy you're also tapped into higher echelons of leadership, but potentially as well for the network work itself. And that is kind of how some of them function. But again, I will. I kind of butchered that entire presentation. But I will say it's worth going back and.

Matt Hepner (56:07)

Reading that. That's worth going. Going into. I mean, Nathaniel Gillis talks about being at some. Some of these, like, higher up disclosure experts houses in their house parties. And they're like, hey, you want to see something? They. They show them a shrine in the. Their closet to an old God. And he's like, I thought we're doing aliens. And they're like, yeah, it's like. So it's kind of like.

TopLobster (56:31)

The same. It is the.

Matt Hepner (56:33)

Same shit. This overlap is just.

TopLobster (56:34)

Wild, dude. It's the.

Matt Hepner (56:35)

Same shit. And we've. We have distracted.

TopLobster (56:38)

Again.

Matt Hepner (56:38)

Successfully. Unbelievable. From what you want to.

Austin Picard (56:41)

Talk.

TopLobster (56:41)

About. We. Well, can I. Can I shout out RJ real quick? Because RJ popped in.

Matt Hepner (56:46)

The room.

TopLobster (56:46)

RJ Fool. I don't know if it. No, no, no, no. That's.

TopLobster (56:52)

J.R. fool. That's different. But RJ's been a longtime fan of ours and he. And he stopped by and he took a selfie.

Matt Hepner (56:59)

In.

TopLobster (56:59)

Here. Yeah. And he's hanging out right now and he saw the. Can confirm fog machine is in there. There we go. RJ says you guys are my Kardashian and Justin Bieber's. Unbelievable. Not FJ Fool. FJ fool is a different guy. So. So okay, now, man, how the hell do we pick up the pieces of, of. Of Columbine.

Austin Picard (57:20)

After that? Oh, I got you, buddy. And, and I will say that, you know, demonic possession, Right. Essentially just considering the notion that, that. Because I discovered this potentially being a factor in regard to Monarch mind control. Right. And so if we consider Eric Harris potentially being a victim of. Of legitimate sophisticated methods of behavioral modification experimentation at Plattsburgh Air Force Base, then I wouldn't at all leave it outside the realm of possibility in terms of the. The just understanding how mind control sort of manifests in inside the. The fractured mind of the victim. And I think that even the symbolic nature of the butterfly, which I think was fascinating because I was reading basically this. This insane breakdown by Ron Patton. He had written on Project Monarch, and it basically discusses the 149 sub projects and, and various things, right? Project Spellbinder and. And these various, you know, sub projects that I wasn't even aware of, to be honest, for the longest time. But there's this layered occult symbolism that. That seems to involve. Let's just say like the the true meaning of Psyche is alleged to to to be considered soul tired.

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Austin Picard (60:15)

Off therealreal.com right. And so basically it's basically what they're the, what he was kind of referencing is the soul and the butterfly symbolic nature of the occultism in terms of, of monarch. Right. Is that human souls become like butterflies while searching for a new reincarnation. That's. This is what some of these individuals who practice esoteric occult values legitimately allegedly believe in. Now that's interesting in terms of one of the, the potential, you know, applications for the symbolic.

TopLobster (60:55)

Nature of things. But also in your research have you found this idea that the, the wings of the butterfly represent the hemispheres of the brain? And yeah, because it seems that hemi syncing is a huge component of the MK Ultra program. And, and really any of these programs, it's CE5. CE5 is huge. Yeah, that, that's, that's a bit of a problem right now. But yeah, that's the way that I always interpreted it was they it almost looks like the image of the brain, although the wings might be considered inverted or whatever, but it's the hemispheres.

Austin Picard (61:27)

Of the brain. Yeah, that's definitely, it's not at all coincidental, you know, whatsoever. And as well as, you know, they claim sort of that the butterfly symbol itself is kind of the symbol of metamorphosis, right? The transformation, you know, and, and basically this is representing, you know, from the caterpillar to the cocoon to the butterfly in a sort of way from dormancy and inactivity to the new creation. And, and that alone is almost like playing God, right? And I think that there's so much of that, that, and again, I see it within the context of Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set and the Black Flame, which is this, you know, ridiculous sort of self deification, right? Where in, in many ways you kind of reject God because you, you view yourself as, as legitimately just as far as having a plausible avenue to becoming a God on your own right? And in your own right. And I think that that in itself is, is a huge issue with, with the new age occult esoteric ideology because it, it is a way in which you kind of subvert the moral values and the core values of the West. And, and that is in no way coincidence. But also allegedly the migratory patterns of, of butterflies plays into as far as some of the species being fairly unique plays into a little bit of the, of the symbolic representation. But the claim was that essentially there, there are, this is a Gnostic idea, right, in terms of the philosophy behind it. And, and the butterfly was a symbol of corrupt flesh. So the angel of Death, right, is, is basically you have this Gnostic artwork which portrays crushing a butterfly. And, and that in itself seems to be this sort of symbol of, of, of again you're, they're recreating their own sort of.

Austin Picard (63:39)

Let'S just say personality through the marionette syndrome and this puppet that is now on a perfectly on a string. And I think that that is where I think we, we have this perfect window into the puppet masters and how they utilize this operational kind of strategy and strategic outcome to their benefit. But this is within the, also I think the therapists just as far as the, the conditioning these responses within the subconscious minds of the victims. This is a huge issue that people aren't quite understanding perfectly. And, and because of the level of dissociation involved and, and I think they integrate occultism and these occult philosophies within the concept of the MO Basically Monarch mind control, you know, and, and, but this is Anyway, the entire reason that I'm even discussing this is because I wanted to bridge it into the kabbalistic mysticism and these various themes that, that seem to perfectly represent that of whenever individual victims are essentially enduring the effects of the dissociative identity disorder, they are basically through the traumatic, you know, implementation of the, the just as far as the enhanced trauma, this fractures the, the, you know, the subconscious mind and the neural pathways. That in itself is essentially demonic possession is what I was reading. And, and that basically this, the really how the programming kind of manifests through the, the, the trauma in itself within the victim is, is basically how they, they were essentially kind of claiming that the altars and triggers were really victimization of the, the body and soul. Right? So you have this complex, let's say the way that he described it was a computer program. As far as Ron Patton when I was reading it, and it was just fascinating again because he's, he's utilizing this, this strange, unique, descriptive way of, of implementing a spiritual component to mind control that I think far too many people are willing to just, you know, dismiss at face value and not legitimately consider. And that I do find to, to be a, a real issue in terms of not remaining open minded to the potential outcome here. And this being some sort of big ancient strategy at play that they've been relying upon because what is, you know, the perfect chemical formula, right, of pharmaceuticals that they can at least apply in the perfect recipe in that sort of way? I mean, it's just alchemy, right? In certain, in a certain sense. And so just understanding the, the kind of terminology that has evolved over time, it doesn't necessarily make it any different than what it once was, which hypnotism and, and you know, these, these various sophisticated methods that are a part of the perfect recipe. You know, play into the notion that I, I definitely believe that you're talking about assigning a specific the. Because it's fascinating honestly, as far as the, the altars and how they can assign specific deities to the altars. And this is what they're claiming throughout the process is that you can become possessed by some sort of unique form of demon that has been almost.

Austin Picard (67:11)

Manufactured in a lab in a sort of way, right? And it will have.

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Austin Picard (68:44)

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TopLobster (69:27)

Control aspect of things. And I think that's what's strange is that we, we exist in a time right now where, you know, we have all this information how to create a disassociative state in an individual through trauma. What to do with that disassociative state once you've achieved it, you know, different levels of programmability, suggestibility. And then you know, we get into the real fringe topics of, of potentially unlocking, let's say what would be called, you know, by the, I guess the woo woo community is like latent psychic ability, which is certainly something that, you know, these intelligence agencies have been interested in. At the least you could say that, you know, stranger things is is a show that sort of fictionalizes it, makes it.

Austin Picard (70:12)

Fantasy.

TopLobster (70:13)

Makes it fantastic. Right. But this is all based off of, of real programs and there are those out there who study psychic phenomenon. It's been popularized recently within telepathy tapes. The telepathy tapes. And, and on this show we talk about the connection between these non speaking autistic children being traumatized. It's, it's traumatic to have no agency over your body. You have no recourse but to dissociate or disassociate. And when you do that, what emerges? Well, would you look at that Telepathic ability? So, but what's really fascinating to me is that these are things that ancient people have known for the longest time and have practiced for the longest time. And we went through a stage of ridicule sort of where these things were sort of removed from our materialistic paradigm that we exist in right now. Now we're being reintroduced this concept of spirituality and we're adding vocabulary to it and a scientific understanding, although we still struggle to understand all of it. I wonder how much really the, the, for lack of a better term, elites do understand about this and you find that our vocabulary, let's say interdimensionality or interdimensional travel, we were talking about that earlier here. The Bible has said for some time and you can go to these other if, if, if for some of the listeners out there, the Bible is too charged of a word and you recoil from that. Well, you need only look at any of these ancient mythologies, although I don't think that they're mythos from any group. And they would have had a spiritual realm, a heavenly realm, an underworld. Right. These, these have always existed in some way, shape or form. We just give ourselves a tremendous pat on the back when, you know, we, we coin it differently. And so, you know, for example, Stranger Things has the, the upside down. That's, that's the underworld. Every, every possible.

TopLobster (72:23)

Mythology has had an underworld in it in some way, shape or form. So I, I just, just, it's strange to me right now because we're, we're shucking off a lot of sort of ancient terminology associated with this thing or that thing, whether it's, you know, fallen angels or, or God or, or any of these things. And people will recoil at that only to, to clasp onto just a newer terminology that describes virtually the exact same thing. I was driving.

Matt Hepner (72:53)

With my son the other day feeling we're.

TopLobster (72:54)

Not going to do. No, no. I mean, we are still talking about the same thing. But my Son is, is in the back seat and he's like, what do you think about the idea of simulation theory, which is another example of us in our profound understanding and, and our scientific materialistic paradigm trying to assign a, a terminology and a definition to a thing that ancient people have already had under wraps for quite some time. And it's like what do you mean to say, say, you mean to say that this realm was designed, that there's a creator to this, that there's something that exists outside of this, you know, profound. So it's, it's, it's. I don't know, it's strange to me and I think that over and over again I do find that the ancients, some better than others, had a much better understanding and grasp of these things that we are wrestling with right now and that, you know, our own intelligence agencies have decided to, to meddle with with. And what are they using? They're using altars. They're using, you know, trauma and sacrifice and ritual and ceremony and etc, etc. Etc. The list.

Austin Picard (73:59)

Goes on and on.

Austin Picard (74:02)

Through, through the, the implementation of these altars. I believe that they are playing on the duality. Right. The spiritual duality that, that honestly is, is just, you know, well conditioned general. I think it's inherent within, within us. Right. The, the, the good and evil. Right. In terms of, of just understanding the, the dual nature of, of right. Kind of. It's, it's how, it's the interwoven kind of playing the two on an axis within the subconscious mind of the victim. And that's how it's effectively described in many ways. And the reason why I think there's a spiritual component is because the way that the internal structured system of the altars was, was effectively.

Austin Picard (74:47)

Kind of presented was. And you kind of mentioned the, the fact that right within the system it's shaped like a double helix sort of. And, and right. In terms of con, there's even seven levels allegedly which reminded me of the Sevenfold.

TopLobster (75:04)

Path. And, and right. This, the seventh God exists.

Austin Picard (75:07)

Within the seventh heaven. Exactly. But how, how so many of these occult ideologies play on that very same concept. Concept. And so the Sevenfold Path is this hermetic principle. You know, it's just like it's these theosophical notions that, that again are very much, let's just say have a, have a far ranging history in terms of the applications that you can point to and, and all throughout human history and how it's affected and influenced the outcome in, in many ways. And, and so I just see that how it was described as a computer program. Right, right. Is very interesting because it was essentially through the altars being effectively implemented. The, it's an internal programmer, it's overseeing essentially the demons or as they, they describe them as gatekeepers. Now that's interesting and especially because they grant or deny entry into these different rooms in the subconscious mind. And so also considering the, the level of through DID and multiple personality disorder, many of the victims will effectively remain at this specific age when whenever one of their alters are triggered. Right. And they'll, they'll be, for example, Regina Loof was the Right. And she was perfectly submissive in every way and, and remained like at like a six year old IQ sort of. And, and also even had different handwriting and spoke differently whenever one of each of these alters.

TopLobster (76:42)

Was engaged and triggered. So that way is. You will find the.

Austin Picard (76:46)

Same thing in schizophrenia. Absolutely, man. Which it stands to reason, you know, I, I still don't effectively believe we understand what schizophrenia is, you know, as far as just the general public being able to, to, you know, perfectly define the effect that. And where it comes from. Exactly. You know, because I mean, there's this guy down at El Pollo Loco, man, that he's straight up having conversations with himself, you know, for. And, and it's, I mean, clearly he's talking to someone that he believes is there allegedly, you know, and, and that's, it's just something that is hard to conceptualize, you know, for, for anyone who obviously isn't plagued with some sort of psychological disorder of some kind. But how much of this is naturally occurring? How much of this is, you know, some sort of, let's just say an inherent disadvantage due to a genetic defect of some kind. You know, you never know. These things do happen. But the, the notion of these gatekeepers, right, and these demons that are truly what they refer to as there they are effectively the individuals who are, are orchestrating which altar is triggered through the programming methods. And that's, that's fascinating. And, and also it seems to play into the Kabbalistic tree of life, right. These internal images that are predominantly seen by victims or survivors. And so they claim that trees are very frequent in this imagery as well as, and so they claim, like the Kabbalistic tree of life with the joining root systems is a great way to describe it. Right, right. Infinity loops, ancient symbols and letters, spider webs, mirrors or glass shattering mass castles. Now that makes sense. Mass, because Kathy o' Brien always spoke about how her father, right, who, who had been trained by the Catholic clergy after he had been busted for child pornography and sexually abusing children, he was essentially given an offer he couldn't refuse. Right. It's like we bring you into the network and you essentially become a controlled asset within that con context. And therefore you provide us with a sort of, you know, just a vital resource and avenue for the, the overall enterprise itself, which again is, usually comes in the form of you will now be one of the trauma abusers who implement the did, or you will also help procure other victims through that process due to your sexual proclivities that you want to obviously engage in and have insulate yourself from accountability from as well. And so typically that's how it plays out. But the way that she described it is that once he accepted, right, to avoid any sort of legal consequences, he was taken to a facility in Boston, Massachusetts with members of the Catholic clergy and trained in these sophisticated sort of behavioral modification experimentation methods. And then he was basically, he went back home and he effectively practiced these methods on his five year old daughter who was named Kathy o'. Brien. Right. And she told stories of her own father wearing a mask while, while he sexually abused her at the age of five. And you know, it's just like to imagine the level of, of, of how much that might psychologically disrupt you, you know, in terms of, you know, not, not even being able to see the facial expressions of the person who.

TopLobster (80:37)

Is.

Austin Picard (80:37)

Sexually abusing you. You. You know, I, I don't know how that might affect the mind or the subconscious mind even of, of a young child. But yeah, it's, it's one of those things you don't even want to understand. You.

Matt Hepner (80:50)

Know what I mean? At a certain level, that was for my son when we were in New York. I mean, obviously nothing like that happened, but it was like during COVID So everyone's wearing a mask and he was severely developmentally delayed.

Matt Hepner (81:06)

Large in part to the mask. You can't see people's reactions, you can't see their. When they're pronouncing words, when they're happy, sad, whatever it is. So he's kind of like living in this state where he's seeing mom and dad, but that's not really enough to judge everything else around you. That's a big impotence for me to just bounce, like, just leave New York. But yeah, there's a developmental delay and a stunting, a retardation of the child's psyche by just covering, I mean, that's covering the bottom half. So imagine the eyes as well, because it's like there's a lot of emotion and intent described in the eyes. So.

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Austin Picard (82:14)

That's serious stuff, dude. Absolutely, buddy. And I think so much of this as well has to do with, you know, bloodlines, right? This genetic aspect of, of these generational satanic pedophiles. Like I legitimately at this point, I believe that, that genealogy and bloodlines effectively matter more than we can truly kind of comprehend. Just as, as average individuals who, who obviously don't stand to gain from, from any sort of long standing sort of familial prominence of some kind that we can rely on. But, but still this is, we're talking incest in order to create these, these sort of. I think it's one way to distance yourself from the victim. It's, you know, in terms of, if you, if you have a breeding experiment or a breeding program where you can effectively provide undocumented children, then settle them with families, even if they are genetically, you know, let's say.

Austin Picard (83:22)

Actually family members of the, the parents themselves. If, if you were a test tube baby, then you're somewhat desensitized or at least separated from the outcome in a sort of way because you're not directly kind of relating to the child as if it were your own in a sort of sense. And I think that that in itself might help, help really provide the, you know, that sort of avenue of abuse where it becomes far easier for individuals who, who are among the initiated in the family dynamics of these generational networks and, and abusers that it does seem as if there's, there's essentially truth to the notion that it there, this is one way where you could legitimately separate yourself from, from, you know, let's say how do parents sacrifice their own children, right? Which people will. It's hard to, to understand, but at the same time, I think it's something that we're not meant to conceptually be able to write, interpret in the, in the right way because we're not among the initiated. This is, this is a long standing structured system that they have Sort of exploited for their own benefit it for far too long. And so understanding that there is a legitimate. And by the way, this comes in the form of, of you hold a higher loyalty to the organization itself, to the network, to the philosophy behind what you stand for in regard to your initiation. It is more of a. I kind of saw this come to fruition in terms of a recent film that I watched called One Battle After Another, which is obviously sort of antifa porn in a way. It's, it's kind of antifa propaganda for progressives in a way to where it really leads. I think the ultimate conclusion is basically that.

Austin Picard (85:25)

Really violence is the only solution, you know, And I think that that in itself is, is a huge red flag as far as the overall, overall moral values behind the film itself. But I will say that it's a hilarious film. It's made very well. I think one of my favorite directors and, and really it's. Sean Penn's character is like Colonel Lockjaw I believe is his name. And it's, it's really an interesting take on, let's just say he, he has, he's a part of a fraternal organization called the Christmas Adventure Adventurers Club. And they're very overly concerned with prioritizing racial purification. Right. And, and so it's interesting because he's in charge at the beginning of the film. He's in charge of this immigration detainment facility on the border between Mexico and the US and so they are instantly playing into this radicalized leftist, really kind of mercenary militia of some kind that is, is more. They're called the French 75. Right is what they go by in the film. And essentially they're, they're trying to free the immigrants from the fascist. You know, you see what I mean, this is anti fascist propaganda, but at the same time it's very well done. And there are moments that I think you can appreciate and kind of interpret things, things for yourself, you know, and, and, and not necessarily follow the path that they are laying down in terms of the groundwork of, of this, you know, ultimate propagandistic conclusion they hope you take from the film when in, in reality, I think it provides us with a window into kind of how power functions in a certain way. And so this individual Sean Penn basically has a fetish, right? Because this is a table taboo in terms of his sexual interest being due to his, his legitimate racial 10 racism. In terms of he's a racist obviously like he, he legitimately, as far as Sean Penn's character, he's very overly militaristic. He, he's in charge of immigration domestically within the US and he, he essentially was running this immigration detainment detention center right at the beginning of the film. And so this black girl Basically, who's Leonardo DiCaprio's love interest in the film, she's running the, this group of the French 75, this radical leftist sort of. Yeah, just again, it's sort of a militia of some kind, but it's, it's just some kind of political organization that's attempting to create domestic tension, you know what I mean? To, to essentially provide a solution to the system itself when in reality they're just bombing banks and, and healthcare facilities and things of that nature. Right. It's like what are you actually accomplishing? You know, and burning.

TopLobster (88:23)

Down your.

Austin Picard (88:23)

Own city? Sounds familiar. Exactly. But, but the point being is that basically he has this, Sean Penn's character has this sexual interaction with, with this black revolutionary at the beginning of the film. And I guess he impregnates the her. Right. And so as he's tapped to become an exclusive member of the Christmas Adventurers Club, the fraternal organization of powerful influence, very much concerned with racial, as I mentioned, purification. Yeah, he, he, he, they're, they're doing an extensive background check on him personally. And so he, he finds out that effectively he impregnated them that girl back in the day. And because she went into protective custody basically and ratted everyone out, which I loved the hypocrisy because she was kind of presented as like, I don't know, sort of a hero in a way. As far as.

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Austin Picard (89:47)

Sign up free today. And then she instantly betrays everyone and rats them all out and has sex with Colonel Lockjaw and gets impregnated and just bails heels, you know, after having the kid. And so Leo, strapped with this, this young black kid that isn't even his right unbeknownst to him, but obviously Years later, like 16 years later, Colonel Lockjaw is tapped to this become a member of this secret society. And so he, he finds out they're Doing this.

Austin Picard (90:16)

You know, this crucial background check. And so he wants to tie off loose ends. And so he finds out, out through. He gets the intelligence of where this girl had. Had effectively, you know, found just as far as where she was at this point geographically. And then he launched. He get. He says, give me a pretext to launch essentially an immigration raid in that area. And so he goes in and he starts raiding like, let's say the local Chick Fil a or some. And like all the. He ends up even sending a. One of his security.

Austin Picard (90:50)

Forces, you know, of immigration security. The ICE basically goes to the local high school and. Right. And they kind of shut down the prom and everything, which is hilarious. But anyway, the point being is that he legitimately held this. This potential membership of the secret society as far more. More of. Of an honor than even being that girl's father. Right. And I think that that just was sort of the overall point that I was attempting to make there because it, it really, I think, provided another window into. And it was hilarious too, because they, the membership of the. The higher echelon of the Christmas Adventurers Club actually found all of this out about Sean Penn's character and then sent. Hired a hitman and. And sent him to just go effectively execute him and his character. And he failed. And so Sean Penn is still somehow alive and. And inevitably has a interaction with the leadership thinking that he was going to be accepted into the Christmas Adventures Club. And, and by the way, it led to one of the most entertaining and hilarious scenes that I have ever witnessed in cinematic history. And, and I have to actually share it with you. It's only two minutes. And now that I, I provided all the context, I think.

TopLobster (92:10)

You both will laugh. What's the.

Austin Picard (92:13)

Name of the movie? It's called.

TopLobster (92:14)

One Battle After Another.

Austin Picard (92:15)

One Battle after Another. Okay, and it's on. Here we go. I got it right here. Dude. I'm telling you right now, it is worthwhile and going to watch just for this scene alone. And it's only a minute and nine seconds actually. But it's just imagine if you're. If you're in some sort of interview process and you think this is after he was. Oh, oh, after they tried.

TopLobster (92:41)

To kill him. Yes. Yeah.

Matt Hepner (92:42)

Dude, that's Sean.

TopLobster (92:43)

Pen. This movie looks. I saw you post this and I checked this out. All right, all right, cool. Let.

Austin Picard (92:48)

It. Let it rip. I was once raped in reverse.

Austin Picard (92:57)

Raped in reverse.

Austin Picard (93:01)

Could you explain how that might work for us, Colonel Octo? The enemy employed deception. I was drugged and while unconscious.

Austin Picard (93:13)

My.

TopLobster (93:13)

Brain Was not working.

TopLobster (93:16)

But my power was. And I believe it was taken advantage of them.

TopLobster (93:22)

What kind of.

Austin Picard (93:22)

Proof do you have? If you were unconscious, how do you know this to be true? I don't know it to be true, but I suspected when I awoke there was sensitivity in a private place and there was some residue.

TopLobster (93:32)

Of an interaction.

TopLobster (93:35)

Interaction? I believe she was a.

Austin Picard (93:38)

Sperm demon.

Austin Picard (93:42)

Semen demon. That's correct. Colonel Aro, what.

TopLobster (93:47)

Would be the purpose of the enemy.

Austin Picard (93:48)

Raping you in reverse?

Austin Picard (93:52)

They saw the power of my mind and.

TopLobster (93:54)

Body. They desired it.

TopLobster (94:00)

That's honestly an incredible scene. That's an incredible scene though. I love that I did see that you posted it and I was like, what the fuck am I watching? But.

Austin Picard (94:08)

It was really funny. It kills me. And it was his justification, right, for. For why he engaged in that. In that Taboo section. Actual interaction with a. With a black revolutionary, which is just. It was hilarious in context obviously. And really the film itself, I think is one of Leonardo DiCaprio's most kind of humorous characters that he ever played. You know, but there was one moment as well where basically he. He goes in to speak to the teacher of. Of his student, or I mean of his daughter. And. And she's basically 16 at the time, so she's. He's a freshman or I mean a sophomore, probably maybe junior in high school. And. And so he goes and he talks to the history teacher and clearly this is from a leftist perspective, you know, so it's a little bit more. He's mentioning a lot of slave owners up there on the wall, you know what I mean? Like as far as all the ex presidents and stuff like that. But still, whenever he's told by the teacher that his daughter's actually. She's doing very well in her school work and all her studies and he. He basically starts crying and then he tries to like save face and, and can, you know, collect himself by claiming that it was, you know, if. If you see me crying, it's out of joy. And he's like the most miserable person on earth because obviously the notion is she's doing well in history class. So this, this is a huge problem and effectively runs in opposition to all of my core principles. Principles which just who I am personally and how much I have hold.

Matt Hepner (95:42)

Disdain for public school. That's how.

TopLobster (95:44)

I feel too. Yeah.

TopLobster (95:47)

When did this come out? Because I thought, for some reason I thought you were talking about something old. That.

Austin Picard (95:50)

Does not look old. No, yeah, just. It was Paul Thomas Anderson's new film. He did actually my favorite film ever Probably Inherent Vice with Joaquin Phoenix and Josh Brolin and Benicio Del Toro. And. And that's another amazing movie because it's about a cointelpro, you know, and it's very, very strange and. And utilizing, you know, let's say, white supremacist organizations, biker clubs, things like that, to run plausible deniability cutouts on behalf of the intelligence apparatus in the moment and pursue the agenda on behalf of. Of. Right. The powers that be. And then also how to utilize like this. They needed. They needed basically someone who wasn't Jewish to run one of the casinos on the Strip. Right. They needed an Anglo American to. To basically take charge of one of the casinos. So they. They implemented or they installed one of their own puppets. Right. Mickey Wolfman is the character and Inherent Vice, who's like this real estate mogul type of individual. But again, it's like, I think any sort of plot line that provides you with a realistic window into how Powers truly functions. Yeah, I.

TopLobster (97:04)

Think that's valuable. Right? And I was seeing the same thing in. In. Well, obviously in Stranger Things. We brought it up earlier, but I'm watching the. What the heck was it? The new season of it, and it's just riddled with. I thought it was.

Matt Hepner (97:18)

Gonna be super gay. It turns out.

TopLobster (97:20)

It kind of is. It's. It's pretty good so far. I didn't. I didn't mind it. I liked when they were. They're trying to keep contact with. Spoiler alert, guys. They're trying to keep contact with Hopper while he's in the underworld, in the Upside Down. And how are they doing it? They're doing it through frequency. So they're trying to tune this receiver to the same frequency that he's operating on, even though he's in this other realm. And they're still managing to keep contact with him. And even my wife. My wife. Even my wife was just like, my wife. And she was like, oh, there's the frequency bit. I was like, that's it, dude. Dude, that's it. So they. They. And, you know, it's all about trauma and. And, you know, basically these. These children experiencing trauma, and then what does it do? It continually puts them deeper into contact with this. This, you know, lower spiritual realm. And then, of course, the military is. Is involved in. In all this, you know, so it's all telling you, right on its face, a little gay. There was some kind.

Matt Hepner (98:15)

Of gay going on. I mean, I don't want to spoil it for you, but, yeah, there's a.

TopLobster (98:18)

Lot. There's a.

Austin Picard (98:18)

Lot. You finished.

TopLobster (98:19)

It. Yeah, I did. You did.

Matt Hepner (98:21)

Away.

Austin Picard (98:21)

Being.

Matt Hepner (98:22)

Like, gay. Yeah.

TopLobster (98:23)

Damn.

Matt Hepner (98:24)

It's a story. What? It's a.

TopLobster (98:26)

Story of coming.

Austin Picard (98:28)

Out. Ah. What.

Matt Hepner (98:29)

The. Oh, my. What? Yeah.

TopLobster (98:32)

That'S what it is. I thought it was a story about sexually traumatizing these children.

Matt Hepner (98:36)

And the radio.

TopLobster (98:37)

Demons. Radio. Whatever. Spoiler. No, no.

Austin Picard (98:39)

You'Re gonna spoil.

TopLobster (98:40)

It. Don't spoil it. I'll spoil.

Matt Hepner (98:41)

It for the audience. Radio Girl podcast helps. Helps original guy with a bowl cut come.

TopLobster (98:47)

Out of the closet. Oh, yeah. Well, we knew that. And he's not. I thought he's just really gay, and that was obvious. Well, it doesn't matter. The point is, podcasting defeats the underworld, right? That.

Matt Hepner (98:56)

Was. That was really. I thought it was being gay defeating underworld.

TopLobster (98:59)

Which is. I'm like. That's an inversion. Yeah, that's an inversion. It's a butthole. But, yeah, they always do these things. They always do these things. They're always going to show you behind the curtain in Hollywood to whatever extent. And it doesn't have to be a nefarious thing or something. Like, people go like, it's revelation of the method. It was like, no, it could just be that, like, our reality is kind of fantastic in its ways, and it makes for an excellent plot. You know what I mean? So.

TopLobster (99:28)

I don't necessarily. You don't have to look at Stranger Things as being. They have to tell you. They have to. Because that's what everybody in the conspiracy community always says. It's like they have to tell you. I don't think they have to tell you shit. I.

Matt Hepner (99:39)

Think they choose to. You know, we don't have to.

TopLobster (99:41)

Tell the.

Matt Hepner (99:41)

People about.

Austin Picard (99:42)

What's that? That Columbine. I knew it. All right, all.

TopLobster (99:47)

Right.

Austin Picard (99:49)

How about this? Okay? Let me go to the bathroom real quick, and then we'll come back. I'll. I'll.

Matt Hepner (99:53)

Actually discuss Columbine. Okay? Can we do that? You guys want.

TopLobster (99:56)

To take a break? Oh, yeah.

Austin Picard (99:57)

Play some.

TopLobster (99:58)

Toad. Me? Real brief. Yeah, yeah, we like to play.

Matt Hepner (100:02)

Toad music. Toad's ukulele. We're gonna go outside and say hi.

TopLobster (100:05)

To the guests, too. Yeah, we'll say hi to some people. We'll be back in a few minutes. You guys get up, stretch your legs, do whatever you got to do. Traumatizing children intermission. Traumatizing children. Oh, yes. Set up the fog machine. Maybe.

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TopLobster (100:48)

Go. Enjoy some Toad.

TopLobster (100:54)

We were supposed to do a whole bunch of production and. Oh, Austin.

Austin Picard (100:57)

Still can't hear us. I can hear you now.

Matt Hepner (100:59)

I.

TopLobster (100:59)

Can hear you. Okay. We were supposed to do a whole bunch of stuff. You guys are supposed to listen to Toad. Toad. Instead, we just ran.

Matt Hepner (101:04)

Around the coffee shop. Fog machine.

TopLobster (101:06)

We didn't do that. We didn't set up the thing. So you guys didn't hear that. That's fine. We're gonna edit that out for the future anyway. We gotta remember that when.

Matt Hepner (101:13)

We air this episode. All right, so anywho, blank minute of us saying that you're gonna.

TopLobster (101:17)

Get Toad. Not getting. And you didn't get to. Well, you did get to look at them, which is almost as valuable. I would say there's definitely value in getting to have a form of torture. Having a gander at Toad. Okay, so. So.

Austin Picard (101:28)

We were.

TopLobster (101:28)

Promised. Austin. Yes, sir. That we were.

Austin Picard (101:32)

Going to talk about. I'll actually.

TopLobster (101:34)

Do it, I swear. Oh, wait, wait. By the way, Panda fly says somebody needs to send.

Matt Hepner (101:39)

A fog machine. Panda.

TopLobster (101:40)

We have a fog. Somebody literally sent.

Austin Picard (101:43)

A fog.

TopLobster (101:44)

Machine. It's. It happened. They sent it. So we. We now have.

Austin Picard (101:47)

One. This.

Matt Hepner (101:48)

Thing'S heavy. I know. I shouldn't.

TopLobster (101:49)

Put on the lights. We shouldn't put on the lights. We're gonna set it up later on and we're gonna fill this place with fog. And really, I can't wait to just. The mysterious ambiance that it. That it creates for this. Okay. All.

Austin Picard (101:59)

Right. So. So continue. Okay, so basically, I don't know. We. I definitely. I had mentioned one, we would discuss the death education program. I know. We had also talked about just as far as the level of conditioning that. That I believe the school itself was potentially. Let's just say it could have been a sort of geographical and operational, you know, asset to the. The intelligence apparatus. And I think that just knowing the long standing conditioning of the curriculum itself that was presented at Columbine High School, including a death education program course, that effectively they were allowing teachers with no. No expertise whatsoever in. In even psychotherapy. We're. We're effectively walking students through hypnosis. Right. Legitimately hypnotizing the students and then also having them in the moment where they're under hypnosis, apparently walk the class, the rest of the class through their traumatic events that actually occurred in their life. And so meaning like the death of a loved one one, things of that nature. So one of which was a black student who talked had to walk everyone through the death of his younger brother from cancer. And they even went and used his, his, his.

Austin Picard (103:31)

Wherever he was actually his burial plot. Right. As a teaching tool. Right. So they took on a field trip, they take the entire class down to have him present to them him, his dead brother's burial plot. Right. And, and tell the story then. And the teacher himself says we're going to utilize it as a teaching tool. They're taking kindergarteners. I mean it's effectively, you know, this, this, this applied to as young as five years old, you know, are going to funeral homes being showed bodies that dead bodies at morgues. Right. Oh, having to.

TopLobster (104:08)

Write their own obituary. Wait, wait.

Austin Picard (104:12)

As young.

TopLobster (104:13)

As what? Say again?

Austin Picard (104:15)

As young as what? As young as kindergarten. Five years of, of.

TopLobster (104:20)

Age. Which is fascinating. I think I would, I would assault the teacher. Absolutely would assault the teacher. I don't think there's any way around that. I would go, you made my 5 year old write an obituary. I'm going to have.

Austin Picard (104:33)

To.

Matt Hepner (104:34)

Kill you now.

Austin Picard (104:36)

Right. Is just bizarre. I mean I have a video I gotta show you guys. Like it's about the death education course and I didn't mean to step on.

TopLobster (104:45)

You there top. What? No, no, we're just talking about how, I don't know, is it better to do that or.

Austin Picard (104:50)

Trans your kid probably that, you know, hey, but I will say that, you know, they, they were legitimately having them, them having them present and well, right about, let's say that they died at an early age. Right. So they, they would say that, that some of the students even balked at the idea and resisted saying that they wanted to live a long life. Right. And they didn't appreciate having to write about dying as, you know, like in the current moment. And which is very strange. But, but again this comes in the form of, of the death education program that even there was a, a 2020. Right. An actual. I found it crazy because there was a special report that was filmed at Columbine high school in 1990. So we're talking, you know, eight years before or nine years before Columbine High School would, would the massacre would effectively take place. You had had this death education course that had been long standing and, and even as far as the curriculum itself, you had a victim's advocate, who was by the name of Ron Any, I believe is his name. And basically, he mentions the theory that Columbine was itself an experiment, as I had sort of alluded to earlier. And so he pointed out the 2020 ABC program about the school's death education program, whose activities even included taking kids to the funeral homes to watch the bodies get cremated. All right. Yeah. And. And also, this is fascinating stuff, man. There. There was a student by the name of Tara Becker. And. And Tara Becker was a student from Columbine High School who attended this pro family conference in Colorado to tell all the attendees about this death education at the. At the school and the effect that it had on her. So she allegedly was talking about how she. Once she carried a booklet from her experience in the course. It was called Masquerade, and it was full of subliminal pictures and prose. And this is as far as how Tara explained she had been taught to use the hidden double meaning of subliminals. And how she had focused so much of her time and attention on deck death that she herself had.

TopLobster (107:15)

Tried to commit suicide. So, see, that's my. That was my thinking on it, too, was like if. When you hyper fixate on a thing, you know, new AGers will call it, like, manifestation, for example. But, you know, definitely the idea of focusing on. And this goes back to the Marzinski story, right, With. With these people. So.

TopLobster (107:40)

We probably were about to bring him up earlier in the show, and now it's surprising that we're gonna bring him up now. But we talked to a clinical psychologist who deals with schizophrenics, and one of the stories that he told us was that there was this schizophrenic woman sitting in an emergency room, I believe. And it was a doctor was coming out and giving diagnoses to people, or not an emergency room, but whatever. And as he was giving these diagnoses to the patient, she, in her schizophrenic state, was watching these. These spirits that look like slimy black frogs come out of the doctor's mouth and glom on to the recipient of the diagnosis. And. And so Marzinski, we talked to him a little bit about it, and it. We started going down this conversation about what happens. Just think about, you know, remove the spiritual aspect about it. What happens when you're dealing with the placebo effect, right, that your strong belief in a thing actually ends up causing that thing to, let's say, heal you in the form of, like, a sugar pill for your.

TopLobster (108:44)

Ailment. And then you're actually cured of the ailment. And lo and behold, it was never real. And the Nocebo effect works in the opposite direction where if you believe that you have a thing that then you might be the recipient of that thing. And so.

TopLobster (109:01)

What happens when a child, you know, especially given the psyche of a child, I don't know, I just feel like they have a, they have no control over. Like I remember for example, when I thought when I was a kid that all of my family and everybody that I loved was.

Matt Hepner (109:16)

Gonna die one.

TopLobster (109:16)

Day. Well, that's true. And I couldn't control that thought. It sucked a lot. I remember being in bed and just like spiraling. I couldn't walk it back. This, this knowledge that this was going to come to pass. So you have a child and you're. They're, they're hyper fixated now on death and, and they're watching a cremation process. They're. They're writing their own obituary. I mean, these are all exercises in drenching the psyche in a concept. And, and the psyche of a child is not under control by any means. You know, it's like now if you think about the fact that everybody you know and love is going to die one day, you could at least be like a shit dude, I got work to do, I got a lawn to mow, you know, whatever. And you can, you can move past it. A kid doesn't have that ability. So those thoughts of death, you're drenching their psychology in the concept of death. And then what happens? Now you have suicides as a, as.

Austin Picard (110:08)

A result of it. Exactly. And, and what's crazy to me is that basically she had the. So the producers of 2020 essentially had found and discovered this girl's testimony is really what had happened. And so that's what led to them actually covering this as a priority segment on. I believe it aired in 1990 and it was filmed at Columbine High School about the death education program, which a special segment prioritizing this as a legitimate problem potentially. Right. They're trying to raise red flags. Talk about how parents aren't being notified that this is being taught at the school. And, and beyond that, it looks like they held like a suicide talking day after one of the kids committed suicide, following the, the curriculum. Right. So again, this is nothing that it really isn't surprising considering the actual school itself. And, and what effectively has happened since. I mean, I was just reading about how it's. There was a grooming case about a teacher from Columbine High School this very year in January of 2025 had basically gotten caught for.

Austin Picard (111:23)

Along with the administrative staff at the school, had withheld information from the parents, effectively pursuing, declaring.

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Austin Picard (112:01)

Sign up free today. After being groomed sexually by a teacher at Columbine High School who then resigned and moved to Calif. California after relying on the rest of the administrative staff to help coexist and, and essentially facilitate this. This agenda to isolate the child in, in a loophole where they could then allegedly there's a loophole in the, in the California state law where if you're declared homeless, it doesn't matter what age you are, you can effectively shack up with anyone you, you so choose. And so this would be a way to, to sort of. It was an end around. It was how they could circumvent, you know, the, the kind of. Again, it's a legal loophole which would allow an underage child who declared themselves as homeless to live at your residence, you.

TopLobster (112:50)

Know.

Austin Picard (112:50)

With no legal.

Austin Picard (112:53)

Consent. Right. And so that, that all just apparently they were. The administrative staff at the school, along with other teachers were helping facilitate this homeless declaration on behalf of the student to then help move them to California to live with the teacher who had just resigned. And, and all that was kept hidden from the parents and no parental consent was given. And so this, to me it's like, man, I understand just from my own personal experience from, from my high school days, right? Like pedophiles are everywhere, right? I didn't realize this. I was very naive as a young person and, and I'm lucky that at least I had some sort of sense of confidence as, as a young man, you know, that, that I wasn't in the gay. Let's just say that, right? So it was just, it's a little easier. I don't know. I, I would. I definitely. I was one of those kids that was autistic enough that you don't want to stick anything close to my face, bro. You.

TopLobster (113:52)

Know what I'm saying? So my thing with that is like if you look at the social programming aspect of It. So what takes place as outside of the school? What takes place outside of these. These operations? Look at the culture especially. I think these major city centers got hit with it the heaviest. How.

Austin Picard (114:09)

Old are.

TopLobster (114:09)

You, Austin? I'm 33. Okay, so. So I'm 35. So then you're. That makes you millennial. Yeah, you're millennial, right? Technically.

Austin Picard (114:17)

Speaking, I.

TopLobster (114:18)

Think 92. February. 92. Yeah. So then you. So. So millennial. So.

TopLobster (114:25)

What we were subjected to was this rampant.

TopLobster (114:30)

Attempt from all different media angles to destroy the relationship between child and parent. So it wasn't just like this rebellious thing. It was like, let's say, like, emo music and pop and things like that and, you know, grunge, etc. So much of the. And I saw people fall victim to this that I know personally, it became trendy to not just, like, rebel against your parents. I mean, Obviously, right. The 80s got that in a big way. And. And it was happening before that. But. But our generation really honed in on it. It was trendy to. To dislike your parents, to. To. To. To hate your parents. And. And, you know, I think so much of this. This kind of crap, like, I was listening to Green Day, and this is actually really interesting because Green Day and suicide.

TopLobster (115:28)

Particularly in the album American Idiot, where the lead singer, who hates Americans, by the way, what's his name? I forget.

Matt Hepner (115:36)

What.

TopLobster (115:36)

His name is. Something. Billy. Yeah. So. So he. He creates this character. I guess he knew at some point he wanted to make this a play of St. Jimmy. And St. Jimmy is like this saint of lost. He's like the patron of lost children who has some sort of an affinity for suicide. And. And the. And he's the saint of children who have been, like, the relationship with their parents has fall apart, fallen apart, and they're engaged in this rebellious drug. Drug, you know, use and addiction and things like that. And I'm listening to this album because when I was a kid, I spent some time with my cousin over the holiday, and he had given me this album when I was younger. And it changed, like, my musical taste, you know, got me into, I guess, like, rock and all alternative music in a big way, where I was previously into hip hop. And I'm listening to this album, I'm going, holy shit, dude. If you think about the lyrics of the album American Idiot, which was highly commercialized, highly pop, punk, you know, people hated that album. They said it was a real departure from their early roots, as every, you know, rock band is a victim of that sort of a narrative. But it Was. It was programming. And I don't know to what degree the homosexual guy that, you know, is the lead singer of Green Day knew that that was the case or what role he actively played in that. But the, the themes of like suicide and escaping your parents and rampant drug use and living out on the streets and rebelling against the system and bucking it off and burning down your cities and all this crap was all in this album, dude. And so to know that we were being primed with that when we were younger, this is obviously leaking into our psyche and informing our decisions. You know, social contagion is a bitch. And what a better way to enforce social contagion than to hijack it with an actual operation. But then you look at what the public school system is doing in places like California where certainly that social contagion is rampant and it's doing all these, all these legal loopholes to. Once they do, once you find that kid that falls through the holes and is into that system now of breaking away from their parents. Parents and is into that system of that like, rebellious nature. Whatever, whatever, well, we got a thing for them. Tell them that if they're homeless, which so many of them would become.

TopLobster (118:08)

You know, you can, I guess you can molest this kid. You can have them live with you and legally nothing can be done about it because homeless, Homeless children operate under a different legal system than.

Austin Picard (118:19)

Than not homeless children. That's remarkable, isn't it? And, and for it to be directly connected back to Columbine in its modern form is too much for me. You know, as far as just seriously considering it being a legitimate operational hub of some kind that they can flex and green light anytime they so choose. And, and seeing the, the overall just effect psychologically that the death education program and curriculum had on those. Some of those students from Columbine, it's sickening, man, to, to actually have witnessed the, the parents not necessarily following up with, with what is being effectively taught at the school itself, you know, that they're are over exposing their children to. And, and that's something I think, you know, just the level of consent that is unnecessary in terms of parental consent. As far as. Again, I think I described it it, I described it as public school. This is what I as I wrote it down because I was like, man, it legitimately feels like this public school is the equivalent of voluntarily placing your child into state custody. And I think you need to look at it as that honestly, at a certain level. And, and, and it will only help in terms of. Let's just say, you know, manufacturing the property proper defense mechanism, you know, to understand what. What threat is truly facing your children in this environment. And, and so. But yeah, it's fascinating to me that 2020 felt the need to prioritize doing a segment on this curriculum at Columbine High School physically. And, and then for, for Tara Becker and her. Her testimony to. To have been reinforced at so many different levels by other witnesses and other members of. Of Columbine High schoolers, just as far as students. And, and so yeah, she, she, in her testimony, she claimed that the subject of death was integrated into many of the courses at her high school. And she said that death was made to look glamorous, that living was hard and that reincarnation would solve their problems. So that in alone own right.

TopLobster (120:40)

In.

Austin Picard (120:40)

Class. In class. Hilarious. Yes. And the video I actually have has Tara Becker, so you can put a face to it. But this is the most fascinating aspect of her testimony though. Students were told that they would always return to a much better life form. They would return to the oversoul and become like God after one of the students that her. Exactly. After one of the students at her school committed suicide. As I mentioned, a suicide talking day was held and every class was to talk about death. Class assignments were for students to write their own obituaries and suicide notes. They were told to trust their own judgment in choosing whether to live or die. So Tara began to think of suicide as a means of solving some of her problems. She thought of. Of liberating her spirit from enslavement to her body. She says she also wanted to die to help relieve the planet of overpopulation, which.

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Austin Picard (122:11)

Sign up free today. I mean, these were just a few of the insane, you know, notions theoretically that were sort of conditioned into Terra and and other students at Columbine by their teachers, which is just. How is this not, you know, the ultimate. A focal point in terms of some of the. The, let's just say the fallout and the consequential reporting and why was there no media spotlight on this? You know.

TopLobster (122:41)

Like, that is amazing. Well, it Feels like, almost like a dry. Not a dry run, super wet, but like, this idea is. You still see this right now as far as, like, children and their age agency and the decisions that they could make about, let's say, things like the fluidity of their gender, which is really what stuck in a huge way. And what does that all lead to, by the way? All right. I mean, statistically speaking, that thing only takes a more convoluted route to the same, you know, logical end. But, but now it's been like. It's almost like they saw it was viable, they said this works, and then they introduced it at scale through, you know, know, acceptance and, and things of that nature. Love is love, yada, yada. This is, this is. It bleeds all the way into the modern day LGBTQ narrative. T being the, the functional letter. And, and it's. That's the sneaky door to the exact same thing. The exact same thing, which is, you know.

Austin Picard (123:43)

Super high suicide rates. Absolutely, buddy. And I'm, I'm honestly, I think that.

Austin Picard (123:50)

It'S just. It's so disturbing to see the, the level of conditioning that the Columbine students were, were sort of enduring for. For a decade, you know, prior to the, the massacre, you know, like that. That. I mean, imagine being a kindergartener and, and coming up through that conditioning, you know, not necessarily just all of a sudden you're at Columbine as a sophomore or something, and, and you have this, this brief, momentary. Right. Exposure. But at the, at the same point, it's like, I mean, I went to the same school from, I mean, I was in the same area locale from, from preschool to, to senior year, obviously, you know, and, and, and I never actually moved high schools, right. And, and the level of really how, how it was a small town environment, right? So it's like everyone sort of knows each other other, and, and there's a reputational impact, you know what I'm saying? But in a larger community, in a. In the Denver area, let's say you're not going to have necessarily quite as, as a intimate sort of dynamic in terms of the, the. The parents, right? And even, even. Even at our school, you know, where I grew up, just because we had our parents effectively kind of very much, much involved, right, as far as individuals who had a supportive parents and a decent family background, as far as stable, that. That was sort of. I mean, my mom was like the homeroom mom when I was like, in third grade type of thing. You know what I mean? So I'm very grateful for My experience, although I will say the threat was clearly on the table. You know, I mean many different individuals would inevitably, you know, endure legal consequences because of their strange sexual proclivities as teachers at my school. So you know, I had some strange interactions that in hindsight I now see what it was. And then obviously the guy got busted for being a pedophile and, and did prison time for trying to arrange a sexual relationship with like a 12 year old. But you know, that is the way of the world, it seems. And so I will say that it, but this, this seems far more extraordinary than, than even what I was just describing. I know it's disgusting thing to, you know, explain to be a sort of unfortunate reality we face. But death education at Columbine High School, Like I'm sorry, but, but understanding what would ultimately come of this, right? I mean 13 dead students. Well, 15 technically, including the, the two perpetrators and, and 24 injured rights as well, which, which you know, they, they were mentioning they thought 25 were dead the day of. Obviously they had even reported that much. But, but still I think having a sort of understanding and a, and a, and a context, right? In term, just having context in terms of the death education program.

TopLobster (126:52)

And the curriculum itself. How many were, how many was.

Austin Picard (126:56)

It you said? 13. Yeah, it was 13 dead students plus the two perpetrators who were seniors in school.

Matt Hepner (127:01)

Obviously. So that's 15. And these guys were, I mean just to clarify, the shooters and everybody in this class were in this death education program for the entirety of their tenure at Columbine. Because it's not just Columbine High School, it's just Columbine elementary to middle school.

Austin Picard (127:20)

Than to high school. Yes, yes, yes. So Dylan and Eric had both gone through the death education curriculum, right. And so that in itself they're writing their own obituaries, you know, things of that nature. And, and also the suicide note aspect of things, I think is, is.

TopLobster (127:38)

One of the most. Exactly.

Matt Hepner (127:39)

What I was thinking. This is what I'm trying to paint here because yeah, it's, it almost seems premeditated or like.

TopLobster (127:45)

Massaged in a way. Well, I mean massage in the biggest way. But, but look at. So just to, I think I like point and not like. But we have a habit here on this show of pointing out when it leaves the, the confines of like let's say the experiment and it enters the, the MK Ultra.

Austin Picard (128:04)

Free.

TopLobster (128:04)

Range program thing. Right. And one of the examples I think that probably fits in pretty well here is the string of social contagion related suicides that took took place after the show 13 Reasons why. And 13 Reasons why becomes incredibly popular on.

TopLobster (128:23)

On Netflix. And effectively it's. It's a girl who is giving you. She's. She. You know, it starts off with the, the, the suicide. And then it goes into the explanation as to why these things took place. And, and I guess the 13 reasons are. Or why she committed. And after that, you do see this notable tick in suicide rates among young girls in particular. And it just goes to show you. And I remember hearing about that show and I'm going, this is not good. This is not good. Because what you do is.

TopLobster (129:00)

That's horrifying. So Pandafly in The chat says, 13 reasons why ruin my little brother. He's very suicidal.

Austin Picard (129:06)

To.

TopLobster (129:06)

This very day. So. So that show plays a huge role in that social contagion. And what it does is it makes you empathize. You know, if you sit there and you listen to it, you start to understand the why, which I think is. Is a huge problem. It's kind of this, you know, not the same thing. But when they go through this effort now within Disney to popularize the villains so that you can.

Austin Picard (129:32)

Empathize.

TopLobster (129:33)

With the villains. Villain. So where. When we grew up, they were horrifying monsters that did horrifying things in the, in the Disney series. Well, now let's rewind time so that you can empathize with this character. And I think that that's a mistake. And I think it's because once you start to really examine the path that leads an individual there, especially an individual who you make likable, so that the, you know, they are the protagonist, even though they are, you know, a bad guy in so many ways, then it becomes easier to emulate because that's all we do, right? I mean, especially here in the west, we have a real nasty habit for emulating the protagonists of, of large films and series, especially, especially young people. So what happens.

Matt Hepner (130:20)

Then to young people? It's not just in the west as human beings in general, we're like story driven. So we need that, that archetype. We need that story. When you flip it on its head, it's persuasive and it's very interesting. But what does it produce? It's like, you know, what does, what does this program produce of having this introducing children to death? Very interesting. Yeah, to me. But the fruits.

TopLobster (130:43)

Obviously are completely right. And what happens when your protagonist is, is, is being championed for committing suicide? Because. Because what happens in the 13 Reasons series is you see intimately how all these people wronged her. And then they, they make her the champion. They make her the protagonist. She is the protagonist. And then by the end of it, you go, oh, well, that's why. And.

Matt Hepner (131:06)

It all feels justified. Well, I guess a question for Austin. This program that you're talking about, do you think this program leads that? Does it, does it create naturally the Columbine massacre? Or.

Matt Hepner (131:24)

Is it.

Matt Hepner (131:27)

It'S hard to explain. Is it, is it like completely manufactured in your opinion? Do you think, do you think they had this program running in order to justify and do this massacre? Or do you think that the program was running and then they were like, let's see what we get out of this.

Austin Picard (131:42)

And then they get. I think they had specific schools that were isolated and prioritized in actually implementing this curriculum for a reason. So they could sort of rely on a geographical green light anytime they so choose in order to facilitate and pursue the agenda at play. And so I think there are kind of options on the table at all times and it's up to them to kind of put the, the proper pieces into place and then activate, you know, the operation, I think. And you know, many times it's been suggested that some of these domestic operations go off, let's just say kind of in this not so a well managed or designed kind of way, where it just is effectively.

Austin Picard (132:36)

A sort of a consequence of the, a consequence of the kind of just the operational standpoint in terms of it being lying in weights and, and actively available. You still have the operatives in place. So therefore occasionally you will have these, these selfish agendas playing into when and where these green lights are effectively given. And I think that also plays into the human aspect. There's just the human element of things. But I will say that all the strange, you know, circumstances surrounding the, the aftermath of Columbine, I mean, 10, 10 months later, right, that subway shop murder happens in terms of those two students who were at the actual massacre itself and then basically shot gunned down in a subway shop that's, that's less than two blocks from Columbine. Ten months after the massacre, massacre happens. And later on, it's, it's pretty much proven that the girl herself, who was one of the two victims at the subway shop, was actually related to Rachel Scott, who was the very first victim on the day of the Columbine massacre at the school. And it turns out that this subway shop specifically was. All of these allegations arose surrounding 50 separate cases that the local investigators were pursuing regarding a drug ring operating through the subway shop in the area. So that instantly I thought Blackjack pizza is not at all insulated from that in. In.

Matt Hepner (134:09)

Terms of the. Yeah.

Austin Picard (134:10)

What kind of drugs? Now this is the thing. There's a methamphetamine connection to what I believe is one. You have a drug trafficking operation within the local kind of neo Nazi, the white supremacist organization of the White Eagle underground. That is. Is legitimately in terms of the geographical footprint, they're utilizing this organization to traffic drugs within the area and that includes methamphetamine. Now I know for a fact two of the adult delivery drivers at Blackjack Pizza Restaurant were legitimately addicted to methamphetamine and helping traffic the substance. Substance as well. Right. Illegally. And so this was a drug trafficking operation. And then it turns out that two of the Blackjack pizza delivery drivers, the adults who. Who were working alongside Dylan and Eric at the Blackjack pizza restaurant, less than, you know.

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Austin Picard (135:35)

Sign up free today. They happen to be the individuals who went with Eric and Dylan to the gun show with their 18 year old friend. That was a girl girl, which is how they essentially provided them with the illegal weapons. The obtaining the weapons on behalf of Dylan and Eric, it was still illegal because they were underage, but they effectively kind of skirted that legality due to the 18 year old girlfriend. Right, but they were the individuals who. Who went with them to the gun show and provided them with the weapons after purchasing them. So it makes a lot of sense that after. By the way, this plays into an absurd connection that instantly reminded me of Omar Mateen and the Pulse nightclub network as far as the Michael Sanford connection to. To the black site where Omar Mateen was allegedly trained. And it turns out that there's a connection to an individual by the name of Nathan Johnson as far as being an adult delivery driver at Blackjack Pizza restaurant. So this gave me deja vu vu instantly. Right. And I thought Omar Mateen, because what inevitably happens is that this guy who knew Dylan and Eric personally lived in Sedalia, Colorado, which is technically the headquarter, only 14 miles from Columbine. Right. And was technically the headquarters of the White Eagle Underground and the Brotherhood of the White Temple and this, the Star Chamber, which is the upper echelon leadership, you know, faction of, of, of that very group. Well, it turns out that they were headquartered there in the Stalia, Colorado headquarters for the complex as far as the White Eagle underground and members as far as the Blackjack pizza delivery drivers were associated with the white supremacist organization and also were helping with the drug trafficking aspect of things. So inevitably, this guy who was personal friends with Dylan and Eric and, and worked at Blackjack Pizza as an adult delivery driver at the time, years later in 2008, would effectively be caught up in a plot, in an assassination plot. And he, he consequentially endures, you know, legal right as far as like he legitimately goes to jail for this. And it turns out that there was an assassination plot against Barack Obama in 2008 at the Democratic National Convention in Democratic Denver, Colorado. And a man by the name of Nathan Johnson was caught up in this plot. And it turns out it's the same individual who's a. Who was an adult pizza delivery driver at Blackjack Pizza restaurant with Dylan and Eric. Now that's too much to dismiss if you consider that it turns out, by the way, he's caught up on these charges in 08, him and his two other friends who were the other perpetrators, they tried to flee from. From the police and inevitably it turns out that they had direct connections to the Aryan Organization, the white supremacist organization in that area and had been caught with a mobile methamphetamine drug lab. Right. Is what they technically had. So it looks like, you know, instantly I thought of, as I mentioned, Omar Mateen. Right. Because what actually came of, of my investigation into the Pulse nightclub N network was there was a cabal essentially that these individuals, these domestic operatives, like. So there was a radicalization pipeline set up online, an Islamic seminary course, essentially. Right. And it's fascinating because this all was set up through a CIA asset who was former FBI and you know, effectively distanced himself at a certain point with, with a, a falling out narrative that was obviously fictionalized for public perception. And in reality, you know, it turns out that he had set up a radicalization pipeline on behalf of the intelligence apparatus in order to allure children who fit a character profile into place, who are very suggestible, who, who are clearly suffering, let's say, from an unstable home, whatever the case may be. There are many different, you know, characteristics that fit. But it seems like what had happened is that it wasn't only Omar Mateen. This is according to James Wesley Howell, who. Who, by the way, the very same day that the Pulse nightclub was shot up by Omar, well, there was a gay pride parade in Los Angeles all the way across on the other side of the country. And. And it was happening at the very same moment. And James Wesley Howell was arrested and apprehended with an arsenal in his vehicle and pipe bombs and all these various tools that he was going to utilize in attacking the gay pride parade when he was under. Basically, he was giving his confession or essentially being interviewed by the local investigators before the FBI inserted themselves in the case, removed all the local investigators from being able to have any direct contact with the individual, James Wesley Howe. And. But before they involve themselves, there was a local reporter who. Who went and actually discussed this with him at length. And she was a woman, and he actually was very strangely, like, sexually. You know, he was kind of like hitting on her, staring at her tits the whole time, she said, and things like that. Very interesting, the way he was acting. But at the same time, he. He gave a statement, right when. It's fascinating stuff, because the. The guy's basically suggesting that he was trained up at a CIA black site in Virginia with Omar Mateen and a kid by the name of Michael J. Sanford and also Micah Xavier Howard, I think was his name, or it could have been Micah Johnson. Let me look real quick, because he shot up. So he's. He basically. He commits a mass shooting at a. At a Black Lives Matter rally, and he. In Dallas, and he kills all these cops in Dallas. So that was another guy who was trained up with Omar Mateen at. At the Virginia black site, allegedly. And let me make sure it was Micah. Micah Xavier Johnson. Yeah, it's Johnson.

TopLobster (141:38)

So, yeah, that guy. Wait, I'm sorry to interrupt, but how often does this. This meth angle come up? I mean, you keep talking about it and top. And I keep, you know, nodding to each other because it comes up quite a bit in our research. And somebody from your YouTube even mentioned the whole. The whole pervitin aspect, which plays a huge role in. In Hitler's legacy. And Dr. Marzinski, the. The gentleman that we mentioned before had said that in his experience, the number one thing that emulates most the. The symptoms of schizophrenia is methamphetamine. He says that it seems to open a spiritual doorway and that these things just come flooding through, maybe cues you into a certain frequency where you're susceptible by entities outside of yourself. And once again, just to bring it Back to that kind of free range aspect that we always talk about, I think about the prevalence of Adderall within the, the, the, the, you know, the diagnosis of ADHD and the prescription to children specifically. And, and children often being fodder for these, these programs. And I look at SSRIs as. Okay, well, there's your disassociative aspect. Right, but then you look at Adderall and is that your amphetamine aspect that allows children to, you know, maybe cue into a different aspect of what.

Austin Picard (142:55)

They were looking into. Right? Yeah. And it was, it was definitely, I think that, you know, just understanding that the. Well, first of all, I will say that methamphetamine does open these potential gateways in terms of, you know, this flooding in of these, these sorts of, of. I think the alters is almost like how you activate utilizing, you know, a methamphetamine based, you know, sort of.

Austin Picard (143:23)

Pharmaceutical product or agent of some kind, let's say even Adderall. You know, I think it's very interesting how much it sort of accesses that speed based schizophrenic, you know, a pathway almost in a way, right, where, where I could see it far, far more just being open and suggestible, you know, in, in terms of what methamphetamine might, might offer in terms of the, the kind of chemical reaction in the brain. But at the same time, I think it's important to mention that obviously Eric Harris was subscribed. Luvix, I believe was. Was the antidepressant. Right. Which was. Was basically, I believe, kept. All that information was withheld from the parents of the victims as well, which I find very interesting, especially considering that you had the parents of the victims actually sue, you know, the, not only the authorities in the local Jefferson County Police Department, but also they sued a pharmaceutical company and I. That provided Eric with the antidepressants. Right. Which again, Lubbock's is the exact same antidepressant that Adam Lanza was on and James Holmes was on. So it does stand to reason that, that this provides them with some sort of pharmaceutical agent that will help remain at least keep them in a sort of dissociative state or in a certain way, which is what I think happens to.

TopLobster (144:52)

Them unfortunately throughout the. I think it's like they, they're programmed with the. This thing, you know, maybe a prolonged version of it. And then when it comes time to do the deed, the disassociatives, they allow, you know, whatever feelings of morality would typically get in the way. You know of, of committing acts of atrocity that they're not there anymore. You don't really feel them. So it's an elongated process. Maybe the Adderall, maybe the methamphetamine takes some early role in these things, things gaining access to the individual plus the layered programming, but then eventually the disassociatives. And there's also this, this snapback effect that seems to take place where people will cold turkey them because they are horrifying to be on for, for any length of time. And when that happens, there is this rebound effect where all of these heightened emotions. So you know, if, if they don't get it done, then while they're in the disassociative state, it seems that there's also this proclivity for maybe bouts of violence after they cold turkey because there's a whiplash effect with these really charged.

Austin Picard (146:00)

Emotions start to emerge. No doubt. Yeah, I definitely think that it is a perfect recipe that they're relying on obviously whenever they, they kind of green light these assets. And it's unfortunate that so many of these, I think not only are they relying on antidepressants, but even, even benzos, you know, I think are very dangerous in terms of, of just the general public being over accessing these, these, these pharmaceutical products and, and clearly it keeps them in this sort of weak state of mind, in my opinion. And I believe it is this pharmaceutical crutch at the end of the day where, where individuals can't even function, you know, go on a, a basic plane flight without effectively going into some.

TopLobster (146:48)

Sort of panic attack. Yeah, dude, this is what gets me about. It is like when we have conversations like this, I'm really forced to look at the entire apparatus of the mental health industry as an enemy. I, I mean, because it's like everything that they persist, prescribe every diagnosis that they give. It seems like therapists and psychologists are primarily a selection process for maybe, you know, there's a, there's a giant body of operations they engage in where they're just trying to go through the motions. But I think that at the highest levels they will find an individual and that individual will flag the system. And maybe the psychologist or the therapist doesn't know that, but once the system is flagged, this person goes into the selection process or, you know, is selected through the selection process and then is, you know.

TopLobster (147:42)

They are assigned handlers that they probably aren't even aware of, or they're put into programs that are supposed to be beneficial for the patient but end up furthering the process of, of, you know, brainwashing. So it's like, okay, the. The healthcare professionals seem to be tied into the selection.

Matt Hepner (147:58)

Process knowingly or unknowingly. By the way.

Austin Picard (148:00)

Way.

Matt Hepner (148:00)

Little inside baseball. The. The family that.

TopLobster (148:05)

Has the kid always.

Matt Hepner (148:06)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yep.

TopLobster (148:07)

Their second son now. Oh, they have two sons. And is he, Is.

Matt Hepner (148:11)

He also, you know. Yeah, it's also. Yeah, but they're mental health care professionals. And it's just like, now that you mentioned, I'm like.

TopLobster (148:18)

Yeah, yeah, that's what, that's what it is. I mean, when I went through the grinder, what are the odds? Pretty astronomical, actually. When I went through the grinder, they. They hit me with the amphetamines and all that other shit. And I mean, it's. It just seems like what we have, we've. We've clung to it and we'll say things like, we have a mental health crisis here in America. I think the mental health crisis was. Was created and the mental health care professionals are part of the apparatus. Apparatus that helped create it. And I don't think that. I think we should, you know, I know I. Every once in a while you get somebody goes, ah, well, it kind of helped me. Well, I think what it kind of helps you do was not feel the feelings for a little bit while you were going through something very sad in your life. We, you know, God knows we all have sad things that happen in our lives. I don't think that we need pills prescribed to us because at the end of the day, a sad thing's gonna happen again. It's the nature of life. And if you don't deal with it, you don't learn how to deal with it. You're gonna be unequipped to deal with it in the future. And then, you know, you're gonna be back on these pills. So, you know, I don't know, man. I always enjoy talking to you because you have this ability to affirm sort of the crazy things that we only speculate to here on this show. And it's always fantastic because I always look forward. When we talk to Austin, he's going to do a good job of bringing up the operations, the names, the dates, the documents that came out of the FOIA request, all these different things that show you that it's true. Like, all this shit is true, man. And, you know, disturbing. It gets framed so many different ways, too. It's like, oh, we have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem. We have a holdover from Operation Paperclip problem. We have an intelligence apparatus that is experimenting. Well, we're done with the experimenting phase that is now.

TopLobster (150:15)

Treating, I don't know, the American public like guinea pigs. And, and, you know, to. To serve whatever ends they've decided are.

Matt Hepner (150:23)

Fit. And it's like. It's like when. When your son is talking about, like, what do you think about simulation theory? Yeah, it's almost diminutive of. To describe what we're. We're living in. It's like, yeah, right. Like this is a creation. But then Austin comes and we're. We're kind of like, oh, this is like simulation theory. Austin comes. He's like, no, no, let me explain to you the ins and outs.

TopLobster (150:44)

Of.

Matt Hepner (150:44)

How this works. Yeah. And then you look at. And you go, shit, man, I wish I was just.

TopLobster (150:47)

Talking about simulation theory. I know. I know these things. And we talk about it before Austin. It's like you look at these things for a long time and you.

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TopLobster (150:56)

Fucking bummed out. Yeah. But I don't know. It needs to be said. There's a guy here, John Listle, and we're gonna wrap it up here shortly. But I wanted to bring this up. Up. He was on Rogan's podcast with a.

Matt Hepner (151:10)

Book about Project Monarch. I was actually talking. This is what.

TopLobster (151:13)

I was talking with Jose about a little bit that's interesting. And so this guy is. It sounds like he's coming out. He's. He's been on Rogan's podcast and he's kind of.

Matt Hepner (151:21)

Like watering it down. This is like bring. To bring it right back to the beginning of the episode. The. The.

TopLobster (151:29)

Creator.

Matt Hepner (151:30)

The.

TopLobster (151:30)

Creator comp. Yes. Complex. What is it? The. The influencer industrial complex guy.

Matt Hepner (151:37)

This guy in it. So. Yeah, again, same. Same sort of suspect. The guy has like, I don't know, 6,000 followers on Twitter, but he's got a book that nobody really buys and he makes it to Rogan and his book is like diminutive of, you know, Project MK Ultra. Of Jesus. You know.

Matt Hepner (151:56)

Yeah. And he's just kind of like asking the. These simple questions but. But almost running. Running a distraction for the systems that are propping them up. And I'm like, huh, it's very interesting to watch somebody do that. Gain a platform just kind of to cash Shade and to make the. Make it a little.

TopLobster (152:13)

Bit more blurry.

Matt Hepner (152:14)

Than. Than it. Then. I mean, then you've been laying.

TopLobster (152:17)

Out for the last. I don't know, he kind of seemed like conspiracy theorists, to use his words. Yes. Are like.

Matt Hepner (152:23)

Making a sort of. Why are you theorist Talking about Project Monarch is like, well, because it existed and because it happened and because it's probably still continuing under a different name. And because we have all of this proof and actions and dead bodies stacked up, say, like, pointing right at it. That's why.

TopLobster (152:39)

We'Re talking about it. Disingenuous. He goes, the earliest reference that I can find comes from October 1993 edition of Phoenix Journal. And he's asking, can anybody find any earlier references to.

Matt Hepner (152:49)

Monarch? And it's like. Like, well, no.

TopLobster (152:51)

It'S a different name. Exactly. Get the word Monarch out of your mouth. You wrote.

Matt Hepner (152:54)

A book on this. Oh, well, we renamed it, so.

TopLobster (152:56)

It'S not the same. You wrote a book on this. You just went on the biggest podcast in the world about this, and you're asking, anybody can find. You should be the guy that shows people that before 1993, it existed in so many different forms. You know, but.

Matt Hepner (153:08)

If he was that guy, he wouldn't be on Rogan. He wouldn't have a book that was artificially pushed. He wouldn't be asking these stupid questions. He's the guy that gets. Gets paid to ask these questions to make this a little bit more confusing to the general public or the people who.

TopLobster (153:22)

Aren'T in the know. So now some will parrot like, that wasn't even.

Matt Hepner (153:26)

A thing before 1993. And this is what we've got to deal.

Austin Picard (153:28)

With. Yeah, yeah, right. No, I think.

Austin Picard (153:32)

Just reading through From Psyop to Mind War, the Psychology of Victory by Michael Aquino and co authored by General Paul Valelli. That book is the PSYOP doctrine. Right. It is the mind war that. That, honestly, we should always beware of, because that in itself, I think, represents the level of deliberate deception that has been deployed. And, you know, in terms of public influence and. And these. I don't believe that Mockingbird ever ended. I call it Modern Mockingbird or the Influencer Industrial Complex as well, obviously, because these are viable assets that will forever be be utilized in this sort of context in terms of having that deliberate, diabolical effect on, you know, just as far as, you know, the public perception in regard to so many of these various legal cases and. And just as well as influencing their philosophies as well. And I will say, are you guys with us.

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TopLobster (154:37)

I can't. Okay, cool. I want to actually show you this, because this is, like. Now that you're. As you're talking about this, I'm realizing it's important to highlight it because this guy says conspiracy theorists often reference that CIA project Monarch. The earliest reference to it that I can find comes from October 1993 edition of Phoenix Journal. One of the journal's editors claims to be a nine foot tall alien. Can anyone find an earlier reference? Now this though, the way that that's packaged is that not to dismiss it. So what you're talking about right now, Austin, is how far back these things go, that these are textbook operations, that these patterns have been laid out and repeated over, over, you know, generations and generations. But the way that this guy's tweet is structured, the guy who's been on Rogan, the guy who wrote the book, he's dismissing it, he's saying, I don't know. It comes from a journal, the Phoenix Journal. I don't know. One of the journal's editors claims to be a nine foot tall alien. It's.

Matt Hepner (155:29)

Literally brushing it away. One of the editors claims.

TopLobster (155:33)

To be a podcaster. You.

Matt Hepner (155:37)

Know, it's like same. Yeah, it's the same, it's the same technique. It's the same technique almost word for word, but.

TopLobster (155:44)

It'S, it's gotten old. Yeah, it's the same shit though. Same technique, man. You know, so I just, I gotta highlight that because you're a guy that's like, you're going through all of this, you're a wealth of information. How on earth would you be able to tell us so much? If this was something that just came up in 1993, it's probably not even credible because maybe that guy is a giant. I don't know.

Austin Picard (156:06)

Maybe he's a giant.

Austin Picard (156:09)

I, I will say though that to, to kind of bridge that gap as far as, you know, the extraordinary nature of these, these individual assets and how profound, honestly, the, the, the level of connections they had have up into this very moment in terms of the prominent personalities behind, like we mentioned at the beginning, setting the table and controlling the narrative. Right, like that. That is a long standing strategy and tool of the, the power cabal, you know, the puppet masters. And so in no way is it shocking, right, that, that they would have this ultimate goal of essentially kind of, let's just say positioning those viable assets and into place to, to very much, I think. One example being. Do you guys know what's her name? Dana Duda. Right. She's on Twitter. Right? She does a. Oh yeah, I've heard of her. She's pretty great on. She's basically one of the leading experts on the process Church of the Final Judgment has done amazing work on kind of tracing really, really kind of following that organization into its modern form and, and the rehabbed image that it sort of benefited from in terms of becoming this best friends animal shelter society. Right. It's like about the welfare of animals. It's ridiculous because they legitimately they engage in animal sacrifice. I mean it's like, it's ridiculous. You know. But at the same point she, she just sort of exposed all of the strange connections behind Candace Owens. And, and right. Just as far as like her father legitimately held the security contract based on his resume. She, he held the security contract for Sandy Hook as far as the cleanup. Oh right. Following.

Austin Picard (158:00)

At all. Yeah. And let's talk about Farmer. Right. The Lord Farmer, her father in law who, who's tied back to the Royal Institute of International Affairs, Chatham House and the, the Tavistock Institute. So how, how are we going to be surprised whenever we're talking about beacons of social engineering and conditioning. Right. This is the origin project and now it's extending into modern day. And the same financiers behind funding Candace Owens rise to prominence after her 17 day arranged marriage with a man she never even knew or barely met except at a turning point event. Right. When she received a message and a vision from God to go to the UK with Charlie. And and then she meets this man, doesn't even have a sit down dinner with him and gets married within 17 days. I mean that alone is an arranged marriage man. He, he's tied back to the very same individuals who have been socially engineering and conditioning modern society for generations. And what was he a part of? Of a Christian organization that was trying to spotlight anti Semitism and influence western Christians. This is a diabolical sort of in my mind this is an influence operation and they're intending on subverting the moral values of the West. And, and in no way is a Candace Owens or a Tucker Carlson exempt from this, you know and, and, and in many ways the same financiers behind Candace Owens rise to prominence finance Tucker Carlson's new show. So what are.

TopLobster (159:37)

We doing? You know. Yeah, it go it one of the scary things though not scary. I mean I'm happy about it. Wouldn't rather be doing anything else. But when it really comes down to it, we're swimming in the same pool as these influencers who are part of this influencer industrial complex like you've said. And then. But that makes us the opposition, which is wild. And I'm happy when Austin is the opposition a little bit. I'm a little bit more concerned for the public when we're included in that When I go, oh, we're the opposition to the official narrative that somebody, you know, cognitive infiltration style, hopes to steer and disseminate to the public. Like, guys like us, for better or for worse, are the guys that stand in the way.

Austin Picard (160:27)

Of those sophisticated programs. What are your thoughts, both of you, as far as. Just because this. This Brad brought this to my attention on. On. He was just texting me basically about. It was so funny, dude. I actually. I'll read it because it was hilarious to me. He. He texted me about. No. Bradley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, this was hilarious, honestly, because just understanding, right, the value of the Candace effect in this very moment, it is real, right? And, and so he goes, dude, you can get a signed copy of Candace's book for just under $200. What a deal. And I was. And then he goes, I can get a Freddie Freeman signed World Series champion baseball for less than a signed copy of Candace's book. And I said, I said, wow, the candidate Candace effect is real. How dare you question the value of this black intellectual warrior for truth. And then I told. I had to address the. The hilarious viral conspiracy surrounding Erica Kirk potentially being nine weeks pregnant, although Charlie had died 11.

TopLobster (161:31)

Weeks prior to that. I didn't even know.

Austin Picard (161:33)

That was a thing.

Austin Picard (161:36)

Turns out it's a debunked conspiracy, allegedly. And she never made this announcement, although she did did say that she prayed that God would make her pregnant the day that Charlie died. And then. But either way, keep your eyes peeled because there might be an announcement. We just. But at the same time, everything you look at it, it claims to have debunked the. This claim. And, and, but still, I will say that it was complete with a prediction that J.D. vance was the illegitimate father and that he would effectively leave his current wife for Erica in 2028 when he. During his presidential bid. I thought it was perfect, but.

Matt Hepner (162:13)

That is perfect.

Austin Picard (162:14)

Right? Perfect politics, theater. The point of what I was trying to get at though, and why I was. I was kind of asking your thoughts on the. The notion that perhaps Candace and people of the like, you know, are. Are potentially kind of setting a pretext there there. This is a precedent setting notion or operation of some kind where they could. Due to the fact that some of the. The things that she has claimed to. To have been essentially true regarding the Charlie Kirk assassination, various sort of things that can be significantly disproven just almost at face value after just digging a little bit below the surface, some of the things that she alludes to as implications and things of that they could legitimately wind up being defamation lawsuits in the future and, and could lead to, to lead to a fundamental crackdown on content creators and free speech in general on digital platforms as well. As we had been talking recently about the pipe bomb story regarding January 6th and how it was effectively debunked after it kind of took the spotlight for a brief moment, which inherently damages the credibility of anyone who was attached to this story. Even knowing that the, the J6 pipe bomb story is, is credibly, you know, sort of flawed, obviously filling in the details by naming a legitimate perpetrator who was a Capitol Police officer and claiming they then benefited from this and were essentially rewarded with a CIA position a few weeks after the event took place. After provoking the crowd and all of this effectively that was all disprove proven and, and, and debunked over the course of a weekend. And then people like Thomas Massie and individual political prominent, you know, personalities are kind of, it, it's really hanging around their neck in terms of the, the affected credibility of some kind. But also it led into the Trump administration essentially even when Mohammed bin Salman was, was in the White House House with him just the other day. And an ABC journalist asked about the 911 victims families and how they're in, you know, very upset that MBS would be invited into the White House. Of course they didn't mention how they just gave a White House tour to Al Jelani who was literally the head of ISIS and murdered American military personnel and Marines in, in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and was just given a White House tour by Trump himself and has been installed in Syria as the puppet, obviously. But at the same time I think it's fascinating to see that Mohammed bin Salman, right, they ask about Khashoggi, you know, Adnan Khashoggi, who everyone knows at this point. You know, Donald Trump purchased that non Khashoggi's yacht, right, Rigged fully with audio, visual blackmail, you know, and, and things of that nature. So not at all surprising. But then what does he do? He, he pursues potentially revoking the license of abc which probably, you know, obviously that won't happen I would imagine, but still a precedent setting notion where you're, you're legitimately seeing an effective crackdown by the current White House administration on mainstream media publications. So not only would they potentially use this as a justification for defamation lawsuits on a private person like a Candace Owens who, who is of such, you know, prominence in the moment and setting the narrative and controlling these sort of alternative theories, you Know, I'm just very skeptical, you know and by the way the, the additional thread there and, and, and the mother in law. It's fast or I mean the father in law. It's fascinating that his, one of his key, one of the key members of that Christian Zionist organization that he found founded in like 1942. Right. Strange timing.

Austin Picard (166:07)

Yeah. It seems to have been and sort of ideological subversion operation from day one. And this individual is directly tied at the hip with the, the same perpetrators who were responsible for being directly just say leadership positions of the Royal Inter or Royal Institute of International Affairs. Right. And chapter Chatham House. So that in itself you wonder. Chatham House rules. And, and the only additional connection though is that Michael Aquino, right. His co author Paul Valelli I mentioned who helped write from, from.

Austin Picard (166:43)

What was it? Oh I, I keep forgetting from Psyop to Mind War. The Psychology of Victory. It's a strange title but, but so he was. Guess what? Paul Valelli, co author of this book, who wrote the very doctrine, who wrote the playbook of how you socially engineer and manipulate public perception and stage violent arousing false flags. Right. This is all within the concept. I mean they're talking about hypnosis. Everything it's layered in. Even the introduction is fascinating and he's providing the legitimate playbook and doctrine and he happens to be Paul Valelli, an advisory council member of Turning Point usa.

TopLobster (167:23)

So come on now. Yeah.

TopLobster (167:27)

That'S what I'm saying. So I'm not so worried about the whole influencer crackdown because I mean I think we're going to see people that we know personally get wrapped up in this sort of a thing. Shout out to atmo. By the way, the fog juice has arrived. We now have fog juice for the fog machine. But, but we have pivoted and I'm sure you've noticed.

TopLobster (167:49)

Austin over the last year really focusing in on the spiritual supernatural aspect and trying to lead our listeners to a relationship with God. And I think that the, the one of the last pseudo political places that I'm willing to even engage with in regards to my own theories is this idea of disclosure because I think it's going to be very important. Important and it seems like they're adamant on doing that and that'll become a dangerous place to be. But it's not a dangerous place to be. First and foremost. First and foremost is in the political, political espionage arena. If you're talking about that sort of thing, Austin, then you're probably going to find yourself in, in a shaky ground. But as far as where we're going. I have been saying for the longest time that politics is theater. It's something that I wholeheartedly believe, and I've believed it for a long time. And so I don't spend too much time in that arena. I love having a guy like you on, because you talk about the psychological warfare aspect of it. And it's for me, important to peel back that curtain, to show the audience that this thing that you believe in so wholeheartedly is ruled by a set of machinations that you don't have access to and you cannot see. In other words, you're not going to the booth and changing much of anything. And so that's what's important. Important. But of course, talking about, let's say, this influencer industrial complex, that's a dangerous place to be as well. But I think you can. You can operate right next to it, which is where we're going to end up operating, I think. And that is if it is an influencer who is talking about the supernatural, if it is an influencer who is talking about the alien disclosure operation, things of that nature, that'll be a safe place for, For a while. I have a feeling that after all of our work is said and done and we've shown people what we can show people, we're probably going to end up about facing straight towards God and that'll be the last dangerous place to be. But I think we're. We're kind of one step ahead of the apparatus as it closes up on the influencers. And, and so, you know, I look forward to that being dangerous. When we're telling you that. That Jesus Christ is real and that he died for your sins and that he is the way, the truth and the life, and then they.

Austin Picard (170:05)

Send our heads rolling.

Austin Picard (170:08)

I have something to share on that exact point. Let me let my dog out just real quick. It'll take me a second. She's freaking out, and then I'll come back.

TopLobster (170:17)

Go for it.

Austin Picard (170:18)

Brother. Go for it. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

TopLobster (170:19)

I'll be right back. But that, that, I mean, I, I could see that coming, you know, the influencer clampdown. I can see all that coming, coming. But. But.

Matt Hepner (170:27)

You know, it's weird. It's like levels of hell that we've sort of like, sidestep or escaped in a way. So, like comedy a little bit dangerous, politics becoming increasingly more dangerous. And now we're like, I. I'd rather spend my time looking into this, but I think this.

TopLobster (170:41)

Is the most dangerous. Yeah, I think it's going to be. We're gonna. We're gonna say what we have to say and. And show our audience the compelling information that says this disclosure is gay and. And fake. And worse than that, it's a dangerous, like, soul level dangerous psyop. And then after that, I don't know. I don't know what the. What the next thing that's going to show itself is, but I have a feeling that that disclosure is the big deception. And so who knows what. What lies beyond that? Maybe our. Maybe our work will be done and we'll be happily decapitated, you know, and moving on. So. So, yeah, it's. But I could see all that shit happening, man. You know, soon, if you're in the political arena, your opposition, you're going to be face to face with kind of the. The. The Candace Owens of the world or whatever. Whatever happened to Ian Carroll. He really fell.

Matt Hepner (171:33)

The fuck off, huh? No, he's still. He's still, like, circling Candace Owens. He's just kind of, like, playing defense for her. He's doing. He's doing, like a sort of support role. And it's funny because it's like, I. I like Ian and I like what he's doing, and people like, oh, have him on. And I was like, there was a time when I. Where I did want to have him on, but now I'm like.

TopLobster (171:53)

Well, we talk about. I think we far exceeded not. I'm not like, this isn't a pat on our back or a stab at him. I think it's just a fact of the matter. It's a little milquetoast, the shit that he's talking about. I don't really have any desire to talk about it. Okay, so.

Austin Picard (172:06)

What you got, Austin? You.

TopLobster (172:07)

Talking about Ian Carroll? Yeah. Just because, you know, there was a time where I thought he was going to be much more established in this sort of influencer community, and it does seem like he's taken a seat back and he's got into more of a support.

Austin Picard (172:19)

Role for.

TopLobster (172:19)

Candace Owens. Oh, man. Even if we were to talk to him, I don't know what interesting thing he.

Matt Hepner (172:24)

Would have to offer. No, I mean, like, the only reason I did want to talk to him was because of his telepathy tapes take, which I think he missed. And then after that, it's.

TopLobster (172:36)

Just kind of like. Which, by the way, I think we nailed. And if I'm not mistaken, judging by the people who come in here and they say, I found you through the telepathy tape research, I kind of think that we're, we're the guys for that. And I would. And I'm happy to be because I think we did our research on that really thoroughly and I think that we came to the correct conclusion and it's something that I want people to find. And now we have the two part series plus the episode with Joe and Franco and I'm. And I'm happy, happy for, for that because I think.

Austin Picard (173:02)

That was really important. But no, yeah, you guys introduced me to that. By the way.

Matt Hepner (173:08)

What were you going to share with us? Because we gotta. I gotta.

Austin Picard (173:10)

Get out of here. Yeah, sounds good guys. And yeah, I don't know, I was in a weird mood today. I hope, I hope it went well. Either way, I always appreciate talking to you guys and, and I definitely have a goal of actually presenting the extraordinary Columbine narrative that, that obviously the alternative theory that I think is far more plausible and, and it really, you know, is layered in terms of the, the levels of extraordinary connections that I think are still. We should, we should prioritize and spotlight and actually present Columbine. And that is my fault and I apologize for that because for some reason I was just very interested in, in going off in the different avenues today. And, and so I do apologize, but I will say that, you know, we have a lot of untapped. No, it's not your fault. It's just a lot of untapped, you know, sort of still content that I believe is the most extraordinary kind of windows into Columbine and what effectively took place. And I, I still think that, you know, the uh, that Nathan Johnson connection to the Obama plot obviously was important. I'm glad I got to cover that for a brief moment. But, but still you have this, this real incredible, you know, avenue of, of the Star Chamber and the White Eagle underground and this legitimate breeding experiment and, and Paul Schultz and Belinda Schultz and, and that I really think is important in order to kind of present how the network functioned in terms of the internal memorandums that were all offered by local investigators who were catching a window into this. And, and that in itself draws the connection directly into Michael Aquino in the Star Chamber and the, which effectively brings in modern gladio and the strategy of tension. So in no way. And it helps bridge the gap with that of the blackjack pizza delivery, you know, drivers that provided them the weapons and things of that nature. And then Wade, Michael Page obviously, and, and the Todd Blodgett confessions of a D.C. madam tie in, which is very important and crucial. So if we get the Chance, you know, we could legitimately focus just on Columbine. If I do come back. That's all I'm saying.

Matt Hepner (175:24)

Actually won't this up. I.

TopLobster (175:26)

Scheduled a three part. It's a three part. I don't give a damn. Let's call it a three part. I want to.

Matt Hepner (175:31)

Do it. Yeah, yeah. You know, we have to.

TopLobster (175:32)

Ask our handlers first. Oh yeah.

TopLobster (175:35)

But you know the deal. That means after this is over, Austin, you go straight to that calendar dude. And.

Austin Picard (175:41)

I mean it, dude. Will do. I will. And, and by the way, you know, this, this is a direct line into. Let's say you had mentioned you wanted to talk Epstein and, and I, I forgot to, to sort of draw that line directly into that of the Vegas shooting with Jared Kushner and the Al Wad connection to the Muhammad bin Salman attempted assassination.

TopLobster (176:00)

In Vegas that night. Three part series that we're just going to call like Austin Picard in the theory of everything thing. Yeah, because it all connects. It's a mesh that everything connects. It's, it's. Nothing just happens in a vacuum and then ends. It all rolls into another operation and another operation. So.

Austin Picard (176:15)

Yeah, you know what? Bill Cooper presented this as. He, he legitimately invoked the, the rights of Ishtar and Molech and, and sacred sex rights and, and the sort of ritual blood sacrifice for the, the sort of younger age group in the springtime, effectively, which is why many of these mass shootings happen whenever classes are, are reconvening or things of that nature. Right. Whenever it's sort of. I, I believe what he was hinting at and alluding to was essentially there was a way to harness emotion of the general public in certain, let's just say, seasonal applications of how you could affect effectively, let's just say emotionally impact, you know, the vast majority and, and sort of sort of seduce them into effectively embracing and, and really kind of reacting in a certain way as well. And this is Hitler's birthday, you know, the anniversary of Waco and, and Ruby Ridge. So in no way, you know, and by the way, federal investigators were on alert, high alert. They, they were aware allegedly that an attack was. Was scheduled to take place on, on the day prior to the.

TopLobster (177:31)

Event. Going, Going live. Isn't.

Austin Picard (177:33)

That always the case? Yeah, exactly. And by the way, did I tell you guys about the, the, you know, I think I did tell you guys about the actual FBI. The head, head investigator for the FBI on the Columbine case was effectively, his name was Dwayne Fuselier and both his sons, one of which actually produced the Hitman for Hire video which, which showed Eric and Dylan walking through Columbine High School and then having the, the school itself be destroyed in a bombing at the end of it. And it was co produced by the son of Dwayne Fuselier who was the son of the FBI investigator who was put in charge of the Columbine case. And his other son was one of the first witnesses on the ground at the school school who claimed to actually witness one of the pipe bombs going off. And hearing a conversation between Dylan and Eric and being the first to call 911 at the time, which is very convenient. There's so much more we can talk about man. And, and beyond that I, I, this D.C. d.C. Shooting like what the.

TopLobster (178:34)

Hell man? This kid. Yeah.

Austin Picard (178:36)

That was weird, dude. He was recruited at 15 years old by the CIA. He was a part of death squads in Afghanistan called the Zero Unit Death Squad Frauds. And they were, you know, responsible for heinous war crimes. You know. But, but I'll leave you with this. And it's, you guys know how much I appreciate you and, and really, you know, you had been talking about the Disclosure project and, and that kind of sends me off into many different areas and it's kind of, it's very interesting how much I do believe this has been seamlessly paired with this new age esoteric ideological system of control. You know.

TopLobster (179:14)

That'S what I believe. And, and it's the New age occult backdrop to everything. Like you said Blavatsky and all these other characters. Like this is the thing that all of these high ranking elites, whether they're political or otherwise, are immersed in. And it's the thing that a lot of people who look into this would love to omit from the discussion because they don't know how to place it. And that is.

Austin Picard (179:35)

A huge, huge mistake. Right. And that is why I think when Serge Monast in Project Blue Beam I thought, honestly I, I was emotionally like this, this resonated with me. You know, just reading through the stages of, of Blue Beam and the orientations of what they, they claim to want to accomplish utilizing electronic and supernatural forces. Basically having a, a kind of transcendence of, of all these official deities in their geographical locales.

TopLobster (180:08)

And having them powers and.

Austin Picard (180:09)

Principalities over geographical locations. Yep. Dude, it's insane how they manifest this allegedly in terms of Blue Beam itself and the use of telepathic hypnosis by the way guys, which is effectively involved with the. He, he claims it holds great potential and this capability could allow agents to deeply plant or to be deeply planted with no conscious knowledge of their programming. And he goes into very much explicit detail on this. It's, it's fascinating. But the point that he made that I really thought was worthwhile in mentioning, that applies to our conversation was essentially comes through and he talks about obviously embedded chips and, and you know, all this global satanic forces, right. And, and utilizing permanent psychological disorders and things like this. But he ends the essay by. And by the way, he was killed for this, in my opinion. You know, this guy was probably hit with one of the heart attack guns, right? Yeah. Which I do believe at this point. We know we have evidence and records of, of this being a legitimate technique that, that is relied upon. But anyway, so he, he officially acknowledges the cashless society as being the digital monetary system as being a absolutely essential and throughout the course of forcing people to inevitably accept this new version of communism. Right. Is essentially how he presents it in his statement. But this is what he says, and I think it's beautiful sentiment. It says the new technology is designed and built to track down and control people everywhere. This technology is being manufactured for a specific purpose. And to refuse to see and recognize that purpose, which is to enslave the entire population of the world, is to deny the emergence of the Antichrist and the establishment of the new world order, religion and government. If you cannot see, if you cannot learn, if you cannot understand, then you and your family and friends will succumb to the fires of the crematoria that have been been built in every state, in every major city on earth built to deal with you. No one is safe in a totalitarian police state. I just thought it was beautiful sentiment because he is, without a doubt, especially considering the great sky in the show, the abdication of freedom, you know, the cost, right. That that is being. This is, you know, something that I think the vast majority have yet to contest, contend with. Right. And so, you know, this is the ultimate agenda of diabolical and deliberate deception, you know, and it's more efficient than any of us could probably.

TopLobster (182:57)

Quite put into perspective. It's the fruition of the propaganda that we've been subjected to. The programs that were birthed out of World War II, the, the alien crap that were being fed in the disclosure that that's supposed to come. Like it's all, I mean, I guess it's all coming to a head in our generation. I know that's gay to say because everybody's like, oh, every, every generation thinks that, that. But like, if you just look at the progress of all these different programs. It seems that we're coming to a head and everything is converging all at once. And what is the point that it seeks to converge to is exactly what you just read right there. This new religion, this new world order, this new way of thinking things. And if, and it feels like I don't think that they labored as long as they did just to drop the ball at the finish line. So I think we'll end up seeing it. But Austin, we gotta end it here and, but I guess not necessarily because we're gonna have a part three. So like I said, when this is over, man, go ahead and check the calendar and we'll, we'll run it back real soon one.

Austin Picard (183:59)

More time. Your plugs. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you guys know the Underclass podcast? Definitely the best, best place to, to find me. And, and then the Patreon. Patreon.com the underclasspodcast. And yeah, just, just really don't take for granted, you know, I, I'll just say the concept of free will, you know, and, and I think the moment you realize how vulnerable you truly are, you know, know, is. I'm not saying that we're not protected, that there's not, you know, a divine path in a way that, that we can hopefully rely on in, in certain moments that will, you know, at least keep us rooted in, in the, just as far as the, the ethical foundation of how you pursue these ideas. You know, how you try and just appreciate the people around you and the relationships that you, you hold near and dear to your heart and you hopefully, you know, actively pursue becoming better, you know, at every way and in every level. Because that in itself, I think I had mentioned it in the last episode like it does. I. I think the, the most, the most important and profound kind of really outcome that I've experienced from this process has just been, you know, the, the ultimate level of gratitude for, for attempting to, to really better myself at every level of who I am becoming and, and in this active and meaningful way where I'm, I'm, let's just say, you know, hyper aware of my character defects and, and how I affect others in a negative way and hopefully course correct as much as possible possible and, and you know, try and not be as self defeating as I am at times. You know what I mean? I think that's, that's a crucial thing as well to, to. If, if it's in any way, you know, kind of inhibiting you or, or right prohibiting or what, whatever the, the term is right, as far as keeping you from achieving what, what matters most. Right, which is, you know, hopefully trying to be a reflection of God in a way as much as you possibly can. You know, that doesn't mean in any way you can achieve perfection, which somehow I, I don't know why, but I feel like this is some sort of goal within my mind's eye and why I like to have so much control over the outcome of things. It's just why I do my podcast the way I do. You know, I absolutely love having a finished product. It's like every layer of it, you know, has been massaged into the smooth rounded out, you know, but. But then it's like, man, this isn't realistic though, at the end of the day, you know, in terms of, of I cannot do.

TopLobster (186:51)

That.

Austin Picard (186:51)

Exact same presentation. Right. In just the course of a, of a general conversation and interaction with individual. That's impossible. You.

TopLobster (186:59)

Know, I think you're. You're kind of like me, somebody. I did like a personality test one day or something like that, and it was talking about like the thing that thrive off of most. And I think that you probably get this is you do a much better job of it than I do. But it's like this, this when whoever you're explaining to gets it, when they understand you go, ah, there we go. There it is, man, I did it. Like when you can convey the whole picture to an individual and they see what you see. And it's like, I'm not asking you to believe what I believe, but I need you to. To see what I see in order for you to understand a perspective. And once they get that, then my job is.

Austin Picard (187:38)

Done, then I'm satisfied. Yeah, I think I also a factor of, of not wanting to be alone in my ideas, you know, and feeling like, okay, you get it, you understand where I'm coming from. Like, that's really. I think just to feel as if, you know. Yeah, I'm not entirely, you know, I don't know. There's. There's this sense of. It's kind of interesting because as much as I myself personally am opposed philosophically to the state, man, I feel like people have these, you know, these, these kind of fail safes that, that are subconsciously embedded in their mind's eye that they aren't aware of, and all of a sudden they're just back in that same mode of, of fully embracing the totalitarian agenda and, and facilitating it as well and, and kind of pursuing their own. It's not at all in, in line with their best interest. Right? And, and, and I'm sitting there feeling like an, like I'm an alien among anarchists. I'm like what you guys claim, you guys claim to be in opposition of the state, and now you're trying to use it as a meaningful tool for, for solving the, you know, current structured system and, and leading us into a, a more ideal and principled direction. I get it. I, I'm not saying that there's no meaning to, to, let's say, I'm not saying that you should give up in terms of. If you, you have some sort of avenue to actually creating change. But I will tell you that at the end of the day, I am not under any illusion or misconception that it will inevitably result, result in a positive direction because I've, I'm witnessing the ultimate agenda playing out. And in no way does the political paradigm apply in terms of the two party illusion. And so that's, that's the only thing. And, and, and basically, you know, also what happens when you, you, you view the Libertarian Party as a, as a vessel or a vehicle for change. You elect a gay man to, to represent your moral values. Good job, guys.

Matt Hepner (189:43)

That really worked out. You know, it's exactly what.

TopLobster (189:45)

It always was, though. But yeah, I know that's the name, you know, the meme with the astronaut. Always has, always.

Matt Hepner (189:52)

Has been, always has. Listen, Austin, I got a rap, though. This has.

TopLobster (189:56)

Been a great episode. We're.

Matt Hepner (189:58)

Gonna do it again. We're.

TopLobster (189:59)

Gonna do it again. Next time we'll have.

Matt Hepner (190:01)

The fog machine on. I wish we could.

TopLobster (190:03)

Have him in person. I know. I wish we could have him in person too. I wish part.

Matt Hepner (190:06)

Three was in person because maybe part four will.

Austin Picard (190:07)

Be maybe part three. I love that I'll be there in March.

TopLobster (190:11)

Dude, that was it. All right. March 1st, Saturday, Friday and Saturday at 6 and 7th. We lost our venue, but we'll fix.

Matt Hepner (190:18)

That. We'll fix it. Guys, thank you for hanging out. This has been a great episode and we'll catch you again tomorrow. I think we have another great guest tomorrow. I'm not even going to say who. Until then, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

TopLobster (190:28)

We'll see you later.

TopLobster (190:30)

Oh.

TopLobster (190:33)

Sam.