Throw Back : Conspiracy Potpourri - NDS on J. Burden

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad – "Throw Back: Conspiracy Potpourri" (NDS on J. Burden)

Release Date: May 16, 2026
Podcast Network: TopLobsta Productions
Hosts: David L. Corbo, TopLobsta
Guest Host: Jay Burden
Duration: ~1h 45m

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Episode Overview

This vibrant, freewheeling episode of Nephilim Death Squad explores the intersections of conspiracy culture, biblical literalism, hidden history, and the supernatural, all viewed through an irreverent, comedic, and unapologetically brash Christian lens. Guest Jay Burden joins David L. Corbo and TopLobsta for a sprawling discussion that travels from political subcultures and biblical exegesis, to the occult underbelly of pop culture, spiritual warfare, and the persistent strangeness just beneath the surface of everyday American life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Libertarian Subculture & Political Theater

• [01:35–05:08] The hosts reflect on their roots in libertarian circles, describing the scene as a mix of sincere activism and unintentional absurdist theater. Stories about conventions morphing into Renaissance-fair spectacles underline the "politics as theater" motif.
  • Memorable quote – David El Corbo (03:04):
    "You couldn't pay me to go back. Actually, I've been to one. And I went, oh, okay, yeah, I’m not going to be libertarian. Cuz that would be..."
  • They highlight how even supposedly serious politics are rife with surreal characters and unpredictable energy.

2. Conspiracy as a Frame for Understanding Reality

• [05:08–07:58] The move from libertarianism to conspiracy podcasts is framed as a quest for meaning in a world that often seems “boring,” but is suspected to be deeply strange beneath the surface.
  • Skepticism around high-profile events and the social cost of “dangerous” opinions is discussed (e.g., the “Butler shooting”).

3. Blending Comedy, Christianity, & Cultural Critique

• [10:27–12:48] The hosts defend their irreverent style, suggesting that “regular dudes” who love Jesus but also love dark humor have an important place in Christianity.
  • Quote – TopLobsta (11:23):
    "What does it mean to be a Christian? … You believe in Jesus Christ … and he’s God. So why can’t I say, you know, [expletive] right after that?"
• [13:28–14:44] Tension between “boomer Christian culture” (safe, respectable) and the rougher, Gen Z/Millennial, male-dominated Christianity observed in their own community and podcast environment.

4. Biblical Doomerism, Humor, and Realness

• [14:44–16:32] The Bible is seen not only as sacred but as frequently darkly comic and brutally real. The hosts find laughter in the raw humanity of biblical characters (e.g., Elijah’s depression, the disciples as wild dudes).
  • Quote – Jay Burden (20:16):
    "He’s literally, like, ripped the fabric of reality apart … and then, like, he’s like, 'What have I done? … Please kill me.' Which is such a great, like, very, very human moment."

5. Radical Nature of Biblical Figures & Christianity

• [18:22–21:20] The hosts discuss being “radicalized” by both conspiracy and the realization that biblical heroes were not sanitized, but fierce, visionary, sometimes violent, and deeply flawed people.
  • Quote – David El Corbo (19:16):
    "All these characters that we just talked about … These are radical people. And having come through the grit of conspiracy … and a cult … to come to Christ, that grit has been really on display …"
  • Frustration with modern church culture's sanitizing and feminizing influence.

6. Humor and the “Shit Talking Jesus”

• [21:34–24:19] The crew dives into the subversive, even comedic nature of the gospels, depicting Jesus "talking shit" to spirits in Sheol/Hades after his crucifixion—a moment both theologically profound and, to the hosts, hilarious.
  • Quote – TopLobsta (23:38):
    "He goes right to hell and immediately starts talking shit to the people … that conspired to put him on the cross."

7. Biblical Cosmology: Masculine Order vs. Feminine Chaos

• [25:04–28:08] Building on theological and pop-psych frameworks (with a nod to Jordan Peterson), Genesis is interpreted as establishing an archetype where God's masculine order subdues feminine chaos (the “Teom”/Tiamat/abyss).
  • Disdain for attempts to recast God with feminine pronouns; outrage at mainline/liberal Christian theology for erasing these archetypes.

8. Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Hidden History

• [29:27–33:31] The heart of the podcast’s worldview is presented:
  • Nephilim as hybrid offspring of fallen angels and human women (aligning with Michael Heiser's interpretation).
  • These stories offer a unifying through-line for mythologies worldwide—Greek, Sumerian, Mayan—tying together ancient “gods” with biblical events.
  • Quote – David El Corbo (33:31):
    “…It seems like all these things are telling the same story, but the Bible just tells you the nature of them. They are fallen. They’re in rebellion against God.”

9. Occult and Pop Culture: The Clown/Nephilim Connection

• [46:49–61:24] A sharp, often darkly comedic detour into pop culture, riffing on:
  • Occult themes in hip hop and metal (e.g., Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Memphis rap, etc.), "downloads" of song lyrics from unseen entities.
  • The “clown” archetype as an echo of Nephilim/giant/demonic features: pale skin, exaggerated smiles, red hair, monstrous size.
  • Ritual sacrifice, voodoo, and pop stars’ open occultism (P. Diddy, Azealia Banks).

10. Modern Occult Techniques, Mind Control & Binaural Beats

• [62:44–73:46] Discussion of rituals, technology, and psychological operations seen as spiritual warfare:
  • Binaural beats, trauma, frequency, and their alleged use in self-indoctrination (“sissy hypno” as an internet phenomenon reprogramming men), MK Ultra, alien abduction narratives.
  • The role of dissociation—induced by trauma, drugs, or technology—in opening people to possession/influence by external, possibly demonic intelligences.

11. Demons, Schizophrenia, & Spiritual Warfare

• [87:44–95:47] The clinical observations of Dr. Jerry Marzinski are discussed:
  • Patterns observed in schizophrenic patients’ auditory hallucinations suggest external, parasitic entities (“demons”).
  • Methamphetamine and trauma as potent gateways for demonic influence.
  • Coping with “intrusive thoughts,” agency, and the parasitic nature of evil influences.
  • Quote – David El Corbo (92:49):
    "The more you identify with these thoughts … the more effective they are, and eventually the more power that they get."

12. Materialism vs. Spiritual Reality in the Church

• [82:44–87:44] Critique of contemporary Christianity’s materialist, therapeutic focus over true spiritual warfare and recognition of evil’s reality.
  • Churches are seen as having absorbed “psychotherapy like a freight train,” often outsourcing spiritual problems to secular therapies.
  • Quote – Jay Burden (84:33):
    "That idea of psychotherapy or whatever, it isn’t neutral. It is making a claim about how the world works … You see people proclaim it out of one side of their mouth and then live as if they are godless materialists …"

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Libertarian conventions as carnivalesque:
  "Libertarians aren't real people. So that was an immediate pivot for me in my life where I turned my back on that and I said, this isn't a viable way forward." – David El Corbo (04:03)

• On the fun and futility of subculture grifting:
  "It's more fun to profit off of retards. Like, if the retards are out there, somebody's gotta turn a buck, right?" – David El Corbo (08:25)

• On Jesus as an insult comic:
  "Every insult that was popular is every insult that Jesus used … if the word okay was available, he would have used it." – David El Corbo (13:58)

• On spiritual warfare vs. therapy culture:
  "If you believe that God is real, if you believe that the devil is real, that should change how you interact with the world. That's a radical assumption." – Jay Burden (85:51)

• On demonic influence and agency:
  "You have to treat these things as external to yourself. … The closest thing that I found that describes what these hallucinations were is demons, that they were inherently demonic." – David El Corbo (91:33)

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Segments & Timestamps

• [01:35] – The Libertarian-to-Conspiracy Pipeline
• [05:08] – Political Conventions and Theatrics
• [10:27] – Comedy, Christianity, and “Being Real”
• [14:44] – Doomerism and Humor in Bible Stories
• [18:22] – Why Modern Church Culture Feels Bland
• [21:34] – Theological Shit-Talking: Jesus in Hell
• [25:04] – Genesis, Order & Chaos; Gendered Archetypes
• [29:27] – Who Are the Nephilim? Bible, Mythology, and Hidden History
• [46:49] – The Occult in Pop & Music Culture; Clown-Demon Nephilim Theory
• [62:44] – Binaural Beats, Sissy Hypno, and Mind Control
• [82:44] – The Materialist Church & Its Consequences
• [87:44] – Demonic Possession, Intrusive Thoughts, and the Story of Dr. Marzinski

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Tone & Style

Throughout, the tone is self-aware, darkly comedic, and intentionally non-PC. They weave satire and theological speculation together, willing to offend, provoke, and laugh about their own contradictions.

• Irreverent biblical literacy meets “deep research” conspiracy theory.
• Mockery of the sanitized, therapeutic, “safe” Christianity of the modern West.
• Advocacy for a world “alive” with spiritual reality, including real evil.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a wild ride through fringe theology, pop-culture esoterica, and American counterculture—all filtered through the rough camaraderie and gallows humor of hosts who are as comfortable referencing Genesis as they are 90s rap or TikTok occultism. If you’re intrigued by the idea of the supernatural worldview returning to relevance in a post-modern world—and can handle some off-color humor and chaos—Nephilim Death Squad just might be your speed.

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Find Nephilim Death Squad:

• All major podcast platforms
• Patreon for bonus and uncensored content
• Merch and event tickets at toplobsta.com

Guest:

• Jay Burden Show (all major podcast platforms, Patreon, Substack, Gumroad)

Notable Guest to Check Out:

• Dr. Jerry Marzinski (on demons and schizophrenia)

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Stay curious. Stay dangerous.

Transcript

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[David El Corbo]

Yeah, you know, I think the world probably is a lot more interesting than what we're. I hope it is. And maybe that's the reason that I fall for conspiracies is because I can't imagine that the grind in taxes is all we get.

[Top Lobster]

It's boring, dog.

[David El Corbo]

It sucks ass.

[Top Lobster]

Here, we're gonna make something up. We make some shit up. Let's do a podcast about it. Let's get a couple thousand fans. Let's lie. I'm the. I guess if you're not really familiar with me, they call me the father of disinformation. That's like my.

[Jay Burden]

Oh, well, see, it's. I don't. I haven't, like, followed your stuff super closely, but I was, I was in college during the whole, like, Mises Caucus thing.

[Top Lobster]

Oh.

[Jay Burden]

So I was at least aware. So, like, you know, I'm not going to pretend to have, like, followed super closely, but, like, I remember it was really fun back then. And I remember, I think you were on Tower Gang was probably the last time I would have heard it. So, I mean, that era, yeah, that was.

[David El Corbo]

Well, the last time was about a year ago. So then you, you kind of exist in this libertarian sphere or is that insulting?

[Jay Burden]

I came through it. It's not my bag. You know, like I, I'm Gen Z. A bunch of my friends who are slightly older were like OG Ron Paul folks. So I know it, I'm conversant, but like, I know a few of the guys, but I'm not, you know, following everything.

[Top Lobster]

You ever had gay sex?

[Jay Burden]

Well, you know, fine.

[David El Corbo]

I think what he means to ask you is, have you ever been to an LP event? Right.

[Top Lobster]

That's a, that's more what I was.

[Jay Burden]

No, I haven't.

[David El Corbo]

So I've been to one.

[Jay Burden]

All I'm saying is $20 is $20. Not too proud to admit it.

[David El Corbo]

You couldn't pay me to go back. Actually, I, I've been to one. And I went, oh, okay, yeah, I'm not going to be libertarian. Cuz that would be.

[Top Lobster]

I bought him there to perform at as Tower Gang at the LP Georgia convention. That's what it was, right?

[Jay Burden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

We get in there and immediately it's like Jacob Hornberger is walking up and down the road just talking to himself and he's like screaming, no.

[David El Corbo]

I said, we were in the car and I said, yo, Top, there's an old man in a suit screaming in the woods.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

And you look over and you go, that's Jacob Hornberger, presidential candidate.

[Top Lobster]

And I go, party.

[David El Corbo]

Because I was, I was told that this is going to be like, there's people here who are seriously trying to secure the, you know, the candidacy. And I go, okay, cool. So, so that's, that's, that sounds pretty serious.

[Top Lobster]

And then he's like, well, why did they invite Tower Gang to perform? And I was like, well, you'll see.

[David El Corbo]

Nobody is. Everybody on stage is. I don't want to say everybody on stage is retarded. But Toad at the time was running against these people. And the first thing he did when he got on stage was he took his shoes off. So he's in his bare feet. And I went, this isn't real. None of this is real. This isn't a real thing. Libertarians aren't real people. So that was an immediate pivot from, for me in my life where I turned my back on that and I said, this isn't a viable way forward.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he kind of, he saw this as libertarianism was in its, like, downfall. But the Mises Caucus was a lot of fun. Like when that whole movement was going on and Dave Smith was kind of involved. And this was right before Dave Smith had acted like he was gonna run for president and then did it. So everything falls apart. So, yeah, it was a more serious movement. It was more fun. Like Tom Woods 2000 event was great. A lot of the. I don't regret it at all. A lot of the people that I met there were really cool. A lot of cool connections. It's kind of like how I cut my teeth in social media and politics and yeah, it was, it was a good time, but ultimately a waste of time.

[Jay Burden]

Look, our, like the, the right wing conferences are huge. They kind of like run the gamut from like, super nerdy, like, really smart guys, ton of like VC dudes, as you can imagine, and then just like God's own prototypes where it's like, where. Where did you come from? Like, my. My wife and I went out to one in Portland, which is actually super cool. I kind of love Portland. It's like everything they say about it is 100% true, but it's still kind of cool. And there's a character, I never figured out his name. We just called the gay pirate because he showed up in like full on, like Jack Sparrow style pirate gear with a sword. Like a real sword.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, well, tell him why do these events.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, fucking tell them which one.

[David El Corbo]

Tell them which one.

[Top Lobster]

About your whole shit, your Jack Sparrow shit.

[David El Corbo]

Don't. I'm not gonna fucking do that. All right. When I was fine, when I was a young man, for whatever reason, I got stuck acting like Jack Sparrow for the better part.

[Top Lobster]

You know how, like people get stuck in wigger phases.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah. This was like middle school. The end of middle school and probably my first year in high school for some reason it was very popular film. Okay, but. But what I don't understand is why are these, these things that feign to be, you know, serious political events so akin to like a Renaissance festival? Why is there an overlap there?

[Jay Burden]

I mean, you could look at it like, seriously and be like, oh, you know, politics is theater, it's all one thing. Or you could just be like, I, I don't know, man, there's a lot of gay weirdos out there.

[David El Corbo]

I think, why not both? That's the way I look at things.

[Jay Burden]

Two sons.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

I go, these things are possibly mutually exclusive.

[Top Lobster]

I think they're a microcosm of the general movement at the top. One of our things that got us in a lot of trouble was last year with the butler shooting.

[David El Corbo]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So that goes down. And I don't know your stance on it, but immediately we look at him, we go, that looks like bullshit, man.

[David El Corbo]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know about all that.

[David El Corbo]

We got on one of the biggest podcasts that you. We got on. On Tinfoil Hat with Sam Tripoli, and we said, no, I think this is fake and gay. And he said, dude, this is too intense to put up. You can't say that kind of thing. We're going to put you on a different show. It's not going to be Tinfoil Hat. It's a show he had going on at the time called Dangerous Dangerous. And because he thought it was an actual dangerous idea, and. And now. I don't know, it feels. He eventually moved it over to Tinfoil Hat. He said it was a great episode, so he put it on there. But now the Overton window has kind of shifted, and people are. They were very mad at us at first, but now I feel like it's a thing you can have a conversation about.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it's almost like the general consensus now where people go, yeah, the Butler shooting seemed kind of suspicious.

[David El Corbo]

Got a lot of holes in it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they misspelled the guy's name that got shot. They lowered the American flag to take the picture.

[Jay Burden]

Just.

[David El Corbo]

No, no, no. It got shot. The American flag got shot, and it was kind of just dropping into holding it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, that wasn't.

[Top Lobster]

I'm also guilty of the grift, too. I made a Trump shirt. The fight. Fight, fight. Sold a bunch of those. A lot of fun. It's fun to play. It's fun to take the blue pill for a little while. Like. Like, I never believed it, but I'm like, yeah, let's fucking dance. Dance in this.

[David El Corbo]

I feel like more of what you're saying is it's. It's more fun to profit off of retards. Like, if the retards are out there, somebody's got to turn a buck, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And that's me. Why not me?

[David El Corbo]

Touche.

[Top Lobster]

Hashtag.

[Jay Burden]

All right, gents, y' all want to get started?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Jay Burden]

Here's the thing. I never want to hot mic someone, you know, I never want to just have someone start rolling it.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, I would say you have entire permission to use everything that you just heard.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we don't care.

[Jay Burden]

I didn't even hit the recording button yet. We're live for Professional Neville of Death Squad. How are you guys doing?

[David El Corbo]

We're doing good. Thank God you didn't record any of the shit we just Said, yeah, hard

[Jay Burden]

R after hard R. Like, God, I don't understand how you guys stay on air.

[David El Corbo]

Dude, that's a great. That's a great observation. I think once we get big enough, we'll lose everything we've built.

[Jay Burden]

Probably.

[Top Lobster]

There's. There's a backlog of that I've said that's gonna come back sure to bite me.

[David El Corbo]

Is there are. Before we actually get started. Are they. Should we avoid certain words on this show?

[Jay Burden]

I mean, look, if you can say whatever you want and There's a roughly 40 chance I will remember to edit it out, I'm actually good somehow on a monetized YouTube channel, like hard Rs. Direct threats of violence. I didn't say it. Just some guy I was talking to. So, like, you know, maybe don't threaten a sitting U.S. congressman with like their address, but like, short of that, man, you're fine.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I can't. I can't really name any sitting U.S. congressmen, so that's great.

[David El Corbo]

And I also don't know their addresses, but we do a fair bit of threatening the lives of.

[Top Lobster]

We've threatened the Blue Letter Bible. I don't know if you.

[David El Corbo]

Which is a fantastic organization, by the way, but. But there was a time where I said I was going to kill everyone. No, hey, hey, hey. No, no, no. There was a time. 30 seconds into the show, there was a time where I said that, but that's not true and I would never do that. And actually it's a fantastic product. Use promo code squad.

[Top Lobster]

Blue Letter Bible is. There's no promo code to it. Blue Letter Bible is a great tool. And what we focus on, on Nephilim Death Squad is a lot of conspiracy comedy, obviously, and like biblical stuff. But Blue Letter Bible gives the transliteration from the Hebrew to English to the. If it's the New Testament from Greek to English. And it really lets you like dive deep into what is going on. Are you a Bible guy? Are you a Christian?

[David El Corbo]

Where are you at?

[Jay Burden]

Yeah, yeah, I don't talk about it much on my podcast because it's like, it's a bit tough to be like, hey, I'm a serious, committed religious guy. Also, the last 30 minutes you've heard have been making dick jokes and talking about like, you know, Byron Gnomes bimbofication. So like, you know. Yeah, it is something I. That is true about me, but it's always like, I am not the representative anyone should look to.

[David El Corbo]

Sure.

[Top Lobster]

I disagree, man.

[David El Corbo]

Just like us for real.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, you just like us for real, for real. No, but I disagree. I think that there's. There's so many people out there that are just regular dudes and it's like, well, what does it mean to be a Christian? It means that you believe in Jesus Christ, that he died and he's your savior and, and he's God. And it's like, yeah, so why can't I say, you know, you right after that? And people have an issue with that.

[Jay Burden]

And I. This is one of the things I noticed too, that because there's a, there's a weird demographic detail where it's like, for basically the first time in like recorded western history, there are more men than women in church. And so like you have all of these like, secondary institutions, like all the, you know, the not for profits and stuff that are heavily, heavily female coded. Have you ever been to like the like Christianity Today or like the Gospel Coalition? You know, those kind of like big organizations. They're basically run by like school principal types. Yeah, you know, the kind of like, probably very nice, but very, very respectable, like older women and men. Ish. And it's like, I 100% understand why that's off putting because, like, it's not how I talk to anyone. And so like, it is created this weird kind of like culture clash between like, and I see it at my own church where it's like a bunch of like under 30 year old guys who are saying crazy stuff and then like liberal boomer women and it just does not mix. It's like oil and water.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this is, this is what we're doing in this coffee shop right now. So kind of funny, I don't want to go through the whole story, but we. I walk into the coffee shop, I got my. I have one of my Nephilim Death Squad T shirts on, and the owner goes, what do you know about the Nephilim? And we start chatting it up. And eventually he's like, hey, do you want to do a fucking podcast studio here? Because I was doing a studio out of my house at the time and I was like, no, that's retarded. Why would, why would I do that? This makes no sense. And then he asked a bunch of more times and then we eventually opened up this studio that we're in right now, but right behind it is a Christian library. So if you go out those doors back there, there's a Christian library filled with boomers.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, actually they're there right now.

[Top Lobster]

Right now.

[David El Corbo]

In fact, a lot of the times we will kind of clash because we're loud and retarded. And they don't.

[Top Lobster]

Well, because you're screaming the N word and they're. That happens to doing a very boring Bible study. Sure. But we are.

[Jay Burden]

Tell me in the Bible where it says I can't do that scream the N word.

[David El Corbo]

I don't think it had been invented. So you know, this is an interesting observation. I kind of went through and I, I said, you know, I use chatgpt and I said pull out which is,

[Top Lobster]

which is the devil.

[David El Corbo]

Clearly demons, but I like to have them do my bidding King Solomon style. So I'll go show me every instance of Jesus using an insult in the Bible and it compiles all of them. And it's actually pretty lengthy. And then I go on a different thread, I go tell me every known insult that was popular during the time of. Of Christ. And then it is identical one to one. Every insult that was popular is every insult that Jesus used. Which then leads me to, you know, not. It's not a conclusion. It's more of a strong suspicion that if the word okay was available, he would have used it.

[Top Lobster]

Well.

[Jay Burden]

And it's kind of interesting because this is off topic. This is actually serious things I do in my real life. But I've been been going through with a couple guys the book of Ecclesiastes.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, right.

[Jay Burden]

It's actually super fascinating book. Peter Kreeft, who's a. I'm not Catholic, he's a Catholic philosopher, wrote a book called the three Philosophies of Life where it is Job, Ecclesiastes, Song Solomon. The whole book is like, I'd say it's like 90 pages, 30 on each. Super interesting stuff. But obviously the whole like conceit of Ecclesiastes is like life is vanity, all is vanity. And Kreef basically goes through. And he's like, yeah, half the time he's saying that, he's basically like, yeah, this is shit. That's shit.

[David El Corbo]

Oh yeah.

[Jay Burden]

And it's almost the exact same language that, that Paul uses. Right. Sort of echoing Ecclesiastes later. And we'll say Philippians, we'll go with that. And it's, it is sort of that interesting thing where it's like no, no, no, you. Devoid of that context, it reads as very like stodgy, you know, kind of country club language. But it's like that is not how Paul was speaking at the time.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, Ecclesiastes too, as much as it is like this. It's almost like this doomer language in a lot of.

[Top Lobster]

Can we Just keep in mind, like, as what we're discussing. Paul, Saul. Paul, whatever. This dude was killing people. Yeah. Like, this is.

[David El Corbo]

Killed a lot of them.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. This is not your run of the mill, you know, old, older lady, buttoned up kind of dude. These people were about it, you know, even the disciples, some of them are like, yeah. I mean, they cut off a Roman guard's ear. They're like, hey, can we bring fire down on these guys? These guys were kind of crazy. If you think about, like, Jesus. A random dude walks up to them and he's like, hey, follow me. And they're like, you know what?

[Jay Burden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, he's the son of God, of course, but they're. They're. Something about them is wild.

[David El Corbo]

That. That they're attracted.

[Jay Burden]

Simon the Zealot. Right? Like, that guy's basically a member of, like, the contemporary Taliban, you know, like, that's the level of, like, that's what that term meant.

[David El Corbo]

Yes. So we. We've received a ton of pushback. I wasn't raised Christian at all, so my, My. My coming to Christianity is. Is done in such a way that conspiracy leads me to Christianity. And this is a journey that's taken place that we're at year 20 right now. So I've been a conspiracy theorist for 20 years, eventually found my way to Christianity. I'm now being subjected to Christians, you know, in this, what we talked about, kind of not for profit, 501c3 fashion in real life and on the Internet. And many of them find me appalling, which is confusing because everything that I'm learning.

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[David El Corbo]

Delivery fees may apply about all the characters in the Bible. These are radical people. These are radical people. And having come through the grit of conspiracy and a cult and all these different things to come to Christ, that word like that grit has been really on display for this entire journey. Then all of a sudden, I get here and I look around and these. These people who profess to be Christians, which I don't know your heart. That's none of my business, but they do turn on me and they get real upset about my rhetoric. And I go, the way that you're portraying God is very gay and very cringy. And that's not what I've come to learn at all. This thing is very radical. And you guys are soft as shit. And you look throughout the Bible, you know, all these characters that we just talked about. You know, we talked about Elijah the other day, right? Killing all of these prophets of ball. Was it?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

And then, you know, was it him that ran so fast? He's, like, running ahead of chariots. Like, there's all these unbelievable things. It's super brutal. But I can't say, you know, you name it, whatever the word is. If I do, somehow, you know, my heart and I'm not a Christian. And it's like, this is the weirdest shit. And then when you go to. And I'm not trying to rag on the church too much, but it's like, when you go there, it's very like, sing songy. Depends on what church you're going to. But I'm like, well, this has been severely reduced from the thing that I've come to understand is the truth.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah. Well, it's funny you bring that up, because it's actually one of my favorite, favorite moments in the Old Testament. Right. Where Elijah's literally called down fire from God.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

And then afterwards, he's like, all right, well, I'm going to go take all these guys out the creek and just. Yeah, kill him with a sword. Leaves and he's like, living in a cave by himself. He's like, God, I just want to kill myself. This is miserable. What have I done? Which is such a great, like, very, very human moment.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

He's literally, like, ripped the fabric of reality apart, called down fire from heaven. And then, like, he's like, what? What have I done? Like, everyone in the government hates me. I'm living by myself in the woods, talking to God, like, almost face to face, Right. Just say, please kill me.

[Top Lobster]

Please do that. God goes hey, dude, watch this. And then he like, breaks a mountain. And Elijah's like, I still kind of want to kill myself, though. And then he's like, depressed and God sends an angel and angel cooks him breakfast. And he wakes up and he's like, thanks for the breakfast. And he's like, I'm gonna go back to bed, though.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And it's just like, that's like. That's real shit though, right? That's like a real human being. A guy that is about it. About.

[David El Corbo]

You know what's so funny too? The way that Jay is laughing and we get that question, like, what's funny about the Bible?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, everything's very funny.

[David El Corbo]

That's all very funny.

[Top Lobster]

My mom was asking me recently, she was like, because we do an event called. You can see right there, Bohemian Grove. And that's actually coming very soon. The last one we had Sam, Tripoli, Owen Benjamin. At the other one before that, Leonardo, Gioni and Jake shows. This last one was fucking crazy.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But we do it and it's like comedy based. And she was like, so what are you going to do now? And I said, well, we're going to do a Bible study. And she was like, but how are you going to do that? And I was like, well, it's going to be hilarious. And she's like, well, what's funny about the Bible? And I was like, what's funny about the Bible?

[David El Corbo]

Like, so much.

[Top Lobster]

What's not funny? So immediately my contrary brain goes to like the crucifixion. And she like, oh, you know, clutching her pearls. What do you mean, the cruise? And I was like, well, okay, so they beat him, they rip his beard out. He gives up his life willingly, Doesn't. They don't kill him. And immediately what does he do after he goes and he meets with his buddies. No, he goes to hell and he starts proclaiming the gospel to the spirits in hell, Proclaiming victory.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, he's proclaiming hell. And he's like, I won, dog.

[Top Lobster]

Because I forget exactly what they call it. It's not hell, but, you know, it's the holding place. This is like you have Abraham's bosom and then this other place, that's like Hades, I believe. I think Sheol. Yeah, right. So these are for the spirits. And I think it's second Peter, chapter three. They even go on and they say it's First Peter, First Peter three. He goes on and he says that he's proclaiming to the spirits that are in Sheol. And these spirits specifically are the ones from the days of Noah. So these are the spirits from before the flood. And if you're like us, if you're crazy people and you read into Genesis 6 and study like the etymology of some of these words and look through the book of Enoch and stuff like that, those spirits would have been possibly Nephilim spirits, possibly spirits, definitely spirits of human beings that were wicked at the time. But there was some aspect of this cross breeding or possibly, you know, infiltration from the seed of Satan, which is also mentioned in Genesis 3:15, 3:14, where they talk about the seed war. But so he's down there and he's talking to these guys and he's proclaiming the gospel. So. So you've killed me. So you've won. But really, this is what has happened. And when you take, like, when you take a step back and you look at that, I'm a. I'm a sports player. So like, when. When I play baseball, if I hit a line drive off of a dude and I'm at second base, I might talk some shit to you, the pitcher. I might just. I might be in your ear, because I know that that's distracting to you. That's what Jesus is. He's. That's what he's down there doing.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

He goes right to hell and immediately starts talking shit to the people, to the entities that conspired to put him on the cross. And I was like, this is hilarious.

[David El Corbo]

Which of course is something that you would consider doing when they think they've won.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

And what they've actually done is played directly into your hand like, oh, this thing that you think you've accomplished has actually solidified your downfall, which is incredible. So, like, yeah, you're probably going to talk some shit.

[Top Lobster]

It's just funny because it says he's proclaiming. He's proclaiming the gospel to these spirits. And these spirits stay in Sheol. They're there. There is no redemption for them. You're proclaiming this to them. So you're just. You're just telling them you're talking shit. And I'm like, this is, to me, could maybe because I'm a broken person. Very funny.

[David El Corbo]

It's also such a. A different human take. Right. Like, because the Bible is. Is for many people, this. I don't know, it's a book that you treat with reverence. It's. It's certainly not a book that many people look at as, like, historical fact. It is something that is much more like ceremonial, you know, so it's to be treated with reverence and it's like, when we're going through it, we're looking at this, like, through the lens of this was a real event. These are real people. Right. And so it takes on an actual life. It's not just repetition of. Of scripture. This is like we're trying to understand these real characters that really existed. And when that happens, you're going to draw humor out of it.

[Top Lobster]

God himself. I mean, this is like a. Almost. It almost mimics. Mimics itself in the political realm these days. Now, how we're dealing with this, like, I guess you'd call it toxic femininity that is now within politics. I mean, you can look at, like, Erica Kirk. Erica Kirk is a great example of a great recent example. And I don't know how you feel about this, but I think she should shut up. But Genesis 1, the first independent of

[Jay Burden]

anything that happened in her life. It's just she. It's like, okay, all right already. Just stop talking.

[Top Lobster]

Yes. Somebody said woman. And I go, woman, shouldn't.

[David El Corbo]

That should follow that word?

[Top Lobster]

Send. Tweet. But Genesis 1, chapter 1, verse 1, it's talking about God, and it's talking about. It's talking about the oceans, and it says that God moves over the face of the deep. And the deep is in the Hebrew. It's translated as Teom. And Teom is like a dragon. So that would be. What's the name of this dragon again?

[David El Corbo]

Tiamat.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, like, you know, people relate that to Tiamat, but it has a feminine characteristic in the Hebrew when you look at the translation. So really what it's saying is that God. God being this order, this masculine. This is a Jordan Peterson idea. He moves over the face of the deep, which is waters, which is the dragon, which is chaos. So it's like just disorder.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And he tells it calm down. And then it does, and then he's. Then the rest of the creation story starts, and I'm just like, oh, so, like, since the beginning, since the very first thing, it's just this masculine order.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, that.

[Top Lobster]

And it doesn't kill the feminine, which is wrong. Now you're getting into, like, this Andrew Tate territory. But it tells the feminine. Hey, shut up.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, like, calm down. I mean, it's literally a meme 2026. It's like, never tell a woman to calm down. There's this archetype, you know, that's why I say when you. When you read the Bible, like, you know, you have to read it in a way where it's alive. This is a real event. That really took place. You're not just reading something of antiquity that has no application, that isn't relatable. It's like, it's super relatable actually. Like in 2026 we have a meme that talks about women freaking out when you tell them to calm down commutits. But God literally told the embodiment of feminine chaos to calm down and it did.

[Jay Burden]

Yes. It's kind of an interesting thing that. Because look, I'm a connoisseur of coal of just low quality post. I find it very funny and for most of it I'm kind of able to keep a certain amount of distance. You know, I'm like Jane Goodall with the glasses on. Fascinating personally. Yes. But the one that genuinely gets me, like just brings out rage in me is the like mainline liberal Christianity, the kind of like, you know, David French, like, you know, Wheaton College or even the like slightly more extreme version of that. You know, the sort of people that's like doing the kind of rehashed warm over like. Ah, yes. In my translation of the Bible, every time it refers to God, it uses feminine pronouns.

[David El Corbo]

Oh boy.

[Jay Burden]

Like I, I just hate you.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

This is so dumb. It's so dumb. And the reason I brought that up is one to complain on the Internet, which is effectively my job and to. Right when you're talking about that, that kind of, you know, masculine order, feminine chaos, it's like, well, God is order, right. He is the order of the universe. Right. And so like, that is fundamentally like masculine, like projecting order upon chaotic seen. And so it's like, okay, does that mean, you know, literally we're going to get all like autistic talking about like chromosomes or whatever? No, that does not apply. But even that seemingly kind of annoying stupid change, right, of referring to, you know, God is masculine or feminine, it's like, no, no, no. That matters more than just, you know, the grammar of it per se. There's a deeper, deeper meaning to it. So I want to slightly tilt this and you mentioned this a little bit earlier, the both of you, about this, this concept, this figure of the Nephilim in scripture. There's one that comes up occasionally, but you know, I don't want to, I don't think everyone in my audience will have heard it. So if you could obviously, you know, give us a little bit of background on what that is. Maybe if you could tie it into the name of your show and if you want to just go from there.

[David El Corbo]

We don't actually know the Nephilim are The sons of Seth knots, we have no fucking idea. So the way that. It's a great name, it's a banger, isn't it? So I think on this show we tend to take more of like a Michael Heiser worldview. And Michael Heiser was a theologian and he did all these various talks on Scripture. And one of the things that he really helped clear up for somebody like me was this idea that the Nephilim in particular are the offspring of fallen angels and human women. Now, there is an alternative view, it's called the sons of Seth view, which is just to say that the sons of God were the sons of Seth, the biblical sons of Seth.

[Top Lobster]

Well, to. All right, to explain that in. In Genesis 6, when they do mention the Nephilim, it says that the sons of God came in, they saw that the. They saw that the woman. The. Yeah, the daughters of men were fair and they came into them and then they begot the Nephilim. So there's like some confusion about the transliteration and the translation of the term sons of God. And that would be Bneha Elohim. Like behind me, right here, I made a little. It's a little joke, like, from, you know, Benihana. Benihana Elohim kind of idea. But every time that that term is in the Bible, it refers to, like, these heavenly bodies, these Elohim that exist in a different realm. So Elohim just is a designation of where this entity resides, and that would be in the heavens. So God is Elohim. Angels are also Elohim. God is above the angels. But they are of the same sort of classification, meaning, like their. Their residence is the same. So Benehim is mentioned in the Book of Job as well. When he's being tempted, God is saying, sitting with his council, it mentions Beneha Elohim, the sons of God. And then Satan comes up and he asks God to, you know, if he can do this and that to Job. And God consents, but can't kill him. So that term is brought up. So if you're using that definition, that comes from Job and that is also mentioned in Genesis 6, that means that the Beneha Elohim are angels or fallen angels or this classification of entity, not a human being, not the sons of Seth, which would be the offspring of Adam. If you're following, do you understand what I'm saying here?

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[Top Lobster]

okay, so on that logical conclusion that we draw, that means that the Beneha Elohim came into human woman and procreated, created something called the Nephilim. And then the next verse is like, and then there were giants on the earth in those days and after, right? So therefore the Nephilim are some form of giant, but also they have many forms and they, they kind of degradate as you go throughout scripture and throughout time. They get smaller, they change shape and Raphaim, et cetera.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, their name kind of changes the more that the bloodline gets watered down. But this, when I told you earlier that I came from conspiracy to Christianity, this was the thing that drew all these pieces of the puzzle together. Because you can imagine if you're looking at conspiracy, it's like you've got a bunch of puzzle pieces. You're trying to connect, to understand things. And Christ was always on the table. But there was so much going on that in my naivety, I didn't think that the Bible actually explained to any meaningful degree. Once you plug in this idea that there were hybrid offspring, what that does it is immediately it pulls in all other mythoses, right? Because if, if a Nephilim is a hybrid between a fallen angel and a human and a demigod is a combination of a God and a human. And you find out that these angels, when they were cast out, they took positions of power, right? Powers and principalities. They, they made themselves rulers over men. Their offspring did the same thing. All of a sudden you start looking at like Greek mythology and you go, wait a second, this is the exact same story, right? And you look at all these other pantheons. What eventually starts happening is you see attributes from, let's say Zeus. In other entities that rule over other people of antiquity, in particular the Sumerian God BAAL Hadad is a one for one with Zeus. It seems to be the exact same character. They're even depicted as holding this cluster of lightning bolts. They're the things that they rule over as far as, you know, God of storms and things like that. Exactly the same. So when you start doing that, you can find a bunch of different characters from a bunch of different pantheons all echoed through different peoples, which starts to suggest that there was reality. It wasn't just that people of antiquity had a this, you know, notion to anthropomorphize weather events or good crop yields or something like that, which is what we typically get, right? Fertility or. Or things like that. It seems they were actually in interaction with some sort of spiritual entity. It's just every people group gave them a different name. But the real fundamental thing happens when you realize that outside of these pantheons, there is a God, a God that created them. And Christianity does a good job of being like, yeah, God. And then this council that's around him, these angels that exist, some of them fell and made themselves rulers of men, had offspring with women that also ruled over mankind. And you're like, oh, man. It seems like all of these things are telling the same story, but the Bible just tells you the nature of them. They are fallen. They're in rebellion against God. And then the other thing that really helped was Noah's flood. So in the Bible, I forget what word it uses when it talks about the reason that Noah was spared.

[Top Lobster]

It says that Noah was perfect in

[David El Corbo]

his generations, which is like, Noah was an alcoholic, right? Which, I mean, you know, after the flood, right? If you, if you, if the world flooded and, you know, all these things happen, you might be an alcoholic too. But there was a lot of things that were obviously wrong with Noah. It wasn't that he was perfect in his behavior or that he was sinless or anything like that. Being perfect in your generations. When you come from a world that was hybridized, everything was hybridized, right? If, remember you talked about Ecclesiastes, and Ecclesiastes famously says there is nothing new under the sun. And it says it a lot throughout that entire book, I believe I think that that's true. So when you have, you know, in our world, instances of hybridization, even just in plant life, right. There's an idea that one of these fallen gods taught them how to hybridize things. If you look at the people of antiquity, they'll have A God for metallurgy. They'll have a God for agriculture. You know, they'll have a God for war and things like that. There are some of them that have a God that taught them domestication of animals and hybridization of plants. And so if. If that is really what's going on here, it looks like you have some precedent for hybridization in, in the Bible. You have precedent for hybridization in Greek, in Sumerian, in Mayan and Aztec, in all these different pantheons. And it's possible that Noah wasn't like a perfect dude. Like, he was a super good guy. He just wasn't hybridized. He didn't have some DNA up from. From intermingling with these, with this serpent seed.

[Jay Burden]

And there are a couple things there. One, I'm gonna make all of the, like, Norse bros listening to this really mad, but they're probably used to it by now. But there's a really interesting link between the kind of pre Christian European pantheon and the. The basically the pantheon of the Hittites, who were mentioned all throughout scripture, obviously even King David's court, right. You have Uriah, the Hittite. And basically this has been verified by kind of modern, you know, modern academics that effectively the Hittites were this group that sort of got pushed out of Northern Europe, became kind of mercenaries. Long tradition, right. Even down to the Virginian Guard and stuff like that, absorbed culture from the near east and then came back. Because the pre and post kind of Hittite gods in that area are the very, very old European gods, are basically animists. You know, it's like a bird, a tree, right up to this kind of developed pantheon. Just an interesting note there. But also to that point, that idea of kind of the supernatural. One of the most radicalizing things for me was this sort of slow, creeping realization that, like, there is something to the occult. Like, it works in a way.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

And of course your conclusion is, well, if it works well, what does that mean?

[David El Corbo]

Right?

[Jay Burden]

If evil works, if there's some sort of mechanism that works out of just. Just the kind of like normal, you know, people getting together, it's like, well, what does that mean? Right? What's the opposite side of that coin? And I think back to, you know, what the conquistadors wrote about when they came to Mexico.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

You know what they found? These kind of like, rooms caked in blood. These like crazy atavistic rituals. And you're like, well, okay, like that's air. That's like air gapped. You know, there wasn't. It's not like you can blame that on Europe or blame that on, you know, ostensibly this kind of civilization that sprang out of the Fertile Crescent, that's its own thing. And if it's still there, if it's producing that, if according to the people that lived there, it actually did change the weather, it actually did produce some sort of power. Yeah, like. Well, wait a minute here. What does that mean? You know, it was just everyone other than us, you know, horribly. I mean, I guess you'd say superstitious, or is there kind of a hidden order to the world? And obviously, you know, I'm not saying we should all start, you know, throwing virgins covered in jade into like the, like the nearest sinkhole, but like, you start to look at this, you're like, this is too universal to simply be like an accident of evolution. Sorry, David.

[David El Corbo]

Well, so, I mean, you know, God says not to take any other gods before him. Not because they, they don't exist.

[Jay Burden]

Right.

[David El Corbo]

It's because they do exist, but that's, that's a false God. You were talking about these kill rooms effectively, right? When the conquistadors showed up, I think the, the Aztecs were. They had decapitated somewhere north of 10,000 people. We're dealing with like women and children. And I think it's fascinating.

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[David El Corbo]

Yeah, if you on a high place, right, if you look at it right now, you have like the, the whole Epstein situation. There seems to be some ritual sacrifice going on there. It never stopped. It just kind of went behind the curtain. But you do see this in, in the music industry. It used to be more obscured. Now it's pretty out in the open. You have this Azalea Banks. This is actually all the way back in 2016. Azalea Banks is a, is a singer and she does it openly, like on her TikTok or whatever. She's like, yeah, come and check out my kill closet. And it's, it's just a closet caked in chicken blood. Chicken blood, chicken shit and chicken feathers.

[Top Lobster]

And she's just like sanding it down.

[David El Corbo]

She's grinding it off with a sander and. Go ahead, dude.

[Jay Burden]

Look at. I've been on a long. We're probably up to 20 some episodes with, you know, Thomas, who we mentioned earlier, talking about the occult.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

Primarily through in talking about the kind of 20th century serial killers. Right. Guys like Richard Ramirez, the Son of Sam stuff, which is way more interesting than I would have thought. But look at Jimmy Savile. Yeah, right. This actual occultist. I mean, you don't need to go particularly deep to figure out the symbology. And in addition to being this kind of crazy monster, you know, who's molesting corpses and doing all kinds of Epstein stuff. Oh, he's a self proclaimed occultist and operates as this sort of gatekeeping figure, you know, running Top of the Pops, which was like MTV before mtv. Yeah. And again, like it's initially on first viewing it. It makes you sound like you're wearing a tinfoil hat, but you dig even half a layer down. You're like, all right, there's something to this. But. Sorry, I've now interrupted you twice.

[David El Corbo]

No, no, please.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, please do.

[David El Corbo]

Good points.

[Top Lobster]

When you come on our show, that's what we're gonna do to you.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, yeah. Constantly. It's actually to the detriment of the listener.

[Jay Burden]

Well, I mean, that works out because I've been planning how I check out and I'm really thinking large live stream, buckshot through the back.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, that's a good thing.

[Jay Burden]

For some kind of like minor inconvenience. Like you step on one of my words, you know, and be like, oh, how dare you, you know, really get all flustered and then just live on air.

[David El Corbo]

Before you do it though, you have to like throw a hand signal and then do it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

And just leave people spiraling.

[Jay Burden]

Naruto Jutsu.

[David El Corbo]

Exactly. So.

[Top Lobster]

So I. I wonder what we would do. Like, I think, you know what, we're professionals.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

We also do this full time. Yeah. Oh, it will be posted. I mean, we might blur you out, but like, we'll continue the show. We've got to fill an hour and a half.

[David El Corbo]

I think what we would do is we would pay people to dress in like fed suits, come in and then. Yeah, just buckshot us in the face. And then, you know, do the finger to the ear and be like, we got him. And then just step off and that's it. Just kill this dream.

[Jay Burden]

Think about how upset the dozens of autistic men watching would be.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, yeah, there's a lot more Than that.

[Top Lobster]

So there's about a dozen autistic men

[David El Corbo]

just right outside this door. They've been banging the.

[Top Lobster]

There's a dog in a diaper.

[David El Corbo]

There is a dog in a diaper. God bless that dog. So you.

[Jay Burden]

I like how you're like, I'll roll with the bit about blowing your brains out live on camera.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, I thought you were dozens.

[Jay Burden]

That. I can't.

[David El Corbo]

How dare you, sir?

[Top Lobster]

This is a respectable fucking insult by the audience.

[David El Corbo]

There's at least 100 people watching this. So you know that. That meme six seven that all the kids were doing for a while, that comes from a guy. What the hell is his name? It doesn't matter. Sizzler or some shit like that.

[Top Lobster]

Some nigg.

[David El Corbo]

And he.

[Top Lobster]

So, hey, hey, don't say that.

[David El Corbo]

Careful there.

[Top Lobster]

It's not Christ.

[David El Corbo]

Like, what he does is. You know, he's got this whole album, it's super occult. And, you know, the 6, 7 thing goes super viral. And kids are doing it all over the world. They don't know why the hell they're doing it. And I'm not thinking that that necessarily is nefarious. People will try to connect 6 and 7 to some sort of occult origins. I'm not here to do that. What I will say is you can just look up an interview with the guy, and he's openly practicing. You know, he. He considers himself a Santos, which is a practitioner of Santeria or Santa Muerte. And that's just you. You have a bunch of Haitian, mostly Haitian, African gods, demons, if you're Christian. And they have hidden themselves among the Catholic, for lack of a better term, pantheon.

[Top Lobster]

All the saints.

[David El Corbo]

The saints, right. So basically, it was a survival mechanism. They converted to Catholicism, but they avoided persecution by doing that.

[Top Lobster]

If you look at P. Diddy's back piece, he has Ellie Danter, Eliza Danter, something like that, which is just like another replication of the Virgin Mary, but within this Haitian voodoo, it's a voodoo goddess, takes up his entire back. So again, like you're saying, it's. It's constantly peeking out and showing its face everywhere.

[David El Corbo]

That guy, though, if you look up the interview with him, he's telling you that he sacrifices chickens, he sacrifices goats, you know, all these different animals. I'm sure there's a lot that he's not going to say that he sacrifices. But it's interesting because here we are in 2026. I think, you know, 2020 did a real good job of waking people up and getting them to be more scrutinizing of what's going on on the world stage and we're now very comfortable with like. Yeah, I mean like there was the kind of the 80s metal Satanism aspect that was done almost ironically, which I think is kind of the door that it slipped into. Now it's not done ironically. These artists are telling us that they, they sacrifice animals and you could turn your nose up at that if you want, but you look at them as you wage slave. They're sitting here driving, you know, three door Bugatti. What is it? Three three seater McLarens, you know.

[Top Lobster]

So something interesting too that you just reminded me of that like the sort of satanic panic back in the day with these, these metal bands, man. Stairway to Heaven. So Led Zeppelin, that song I, I remember hearing, I think Robert Plant said that that song. Usually when you write a song, I play guitar. And when you write a song it's going to come in parts. You'll have maybe a melody and you'll put that to some chords or whatever it is. However it comes, comes together for that person. But specifically Stairway to Heaven, he said that was like sat down, wrote the entire song, didn't change a thing. The only thing that was changed after was probably like the guitar solo, which is obviously iconic afterward that was, you know, put together. But the entire song as it is, lyrics down to the, that very famous riff was all just, it was like almost like a download. So these guys are, they're doing a thing and they're receiving information and this is just nothing new. This, this leads us back to the idea of what the Nephilim are or were or still currently what they're currently doing.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And they were. The idea is that they took the human wives, they took the human woman as wives. And then in that time frame there would have been something that would be like a dowry. So if you were a human being, maybe you trade some goats and you get the girl and now you're married into the family. Because that's like more of a. I don't know, I guess rape or sex is like kind of diminishing in this idea. It's, it's more of like a legalistic practice along with the reproduction. So there's like a, there was a consent to it, if that makes any sense. And what some people say, you know, our friend Timothy Albarino would say that they were. There was a trade off here. And the book of Enoch mentions that these fallen entities were giving humans knowledge, whether it be metallurgy or glamour of the face or agriculture, things like that. That's what was being traded off. And it's just the same exact thing. Today we are doing these sacrifices where whether they're chickens, people, or just whatever you're worshiping, you're giving a sacrifice to a thing and oftentimes it'll come back as some sort of a download all at once and then boom.

[David El Corbo]

My favorite example of that, by the way, Jay, is there's a Rolling Stones article back in 2000 and it's about Carlos Santana. And Carlos Santana in that interview famously says that he credits his, you know, his music and his career.

[Top Lobster]

Well, his idea, Carlos Santana's entire idea before he was like successful, was taking the minor pentatonic scale. And I think he's just using it in a phrygian mode over a pop music. So it's just like one note that's flattened and that's like his entire personality. You can hear his music when he's, when he's playing.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, yeah, you know his music. Yeah, yeah. But he attributes his success to Metatron. Yeah, just outright says, just says it in a Rolling Stone article. Metatron is an angel. It gets a little bit screwy because it might be a fallen angel. And if you go a little bit further, people think that Metatron is actually Enoch from the Book of Enoch, because in the third Book of Enoch, which is, you know, it's.

[Top Lobster]

It's kind of kabbalistic.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, it's non canonical. And beyond the first one, things get really screwy and, you know, it basically says Enoch turns into Metatron. So then I guess you could surmise that Carlos Santana is channeling Enoch who turns into an angel. But this is a guy who's like, you know, you once again scoff at that. Look at his career. You know, it's interesting because I will say that in the music industry and in, in Hollywood, if you're schizophrenic, you're gonna crush. But if you're just like a poor schizophrenic person, your life is going to be miserable.

[Jay Burden]

So a couple things. Sorry, I was furiously typing, trying to find my PDF of this. It's somewhere on this computer.

[David El Corbo]

I don't know.

[Jay Burden]

Have you all ever done gone through the book Lords of Chaos?

[David El Corbo]

No.

[Jay Burden]

So it's basically a history of occultism in mostly metal music. So for instance, there's a large part talking about the interactions between, you know, obviously Black Sabbath, which is. They were more dabbling. You know, it was just kind of in the air in the 70s. Yeah, but led Zeppelin were connected to, you know, to Crowley explicitly As well as others. And then also a full deep dive on their Norwegian black metal scene. So guys like Varg. The murders connected right to all of that. The church burnings. It's super fascinating stuff. And it reminds me a lot of. Have you all ever gone down the rabbit hole of like, horrorcore Memphis rap before?

[David El Corbo]

Memphis rap? Is that the. I. I think it might be the same thing that I call, like, Halloween rap.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

Basically it sounds like rap. Yeah. For Halloween. It's a strange genre.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

But a lot of this, like the. The biggest acts of kind of the first wave would be like three six Mafia, stuff like that.

[David El Corbo]

Sure, yeah.

[Jay Burden]

Figure where they got that name from? There's a bunch of other. I can never remember the name of this guy was Gary something or whatever.

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[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

But they had this idea of the soul tape, which is basically, they make a mixtape, they're not finished with it yet, and they kill someone and then they finish it the same day.

[David El Corbo]

Whoa.

[Jay Burden]

So basically the idea is that you're trapping their soul inside the mixtape.

[David El Corbo]

Can I interrupt for a second? J. Cole, only, like, over the last two or three years, got in some trouble because part of what he was using in a sampled beat was the murder of somebody. And that kind of got like a. You know, he said, I didn't know that I got the beat. I had no idea. And then that kind of got swept under the rug and it went away. But like, yeah, dude, I'm sure that's super prevalent. I mean, if you just think about pompous musical producers and assholes that are, you know, super egotistical within the music industry, of course, somebody's got to that, like, what's the epitome of art, dude? What if we made music out of somebody dying, like. Yeah, that's happened. It probably happens a lot.

[Jay Burden]

Well, speaking of other rabbit holes, have you all ever gone down the John Wayne Gacy conspiracy theories that effectively he was operating as part of a. Like a wider snuff film ring?

[David El Corbo]

Oh, I wasn't. No, I'm not aware of that.

[Top Lobster]

No. What. What we do look at. Yeah, go ahead, tell us about that. But I'll tell you a little bit about John Wayne Gacy. That something that we think about him, but go ahead.

[Jay Burden]

So there are just some weird things that don't quite add up about his story. Right. One, the amount of victims, how they were stored, the idea that, you know, this is one single guy acting on his own. The fact that there were, I think, 17 or 18 sets of keys to his own house. Right. Many of. There were many others extant. And you have this sort of repeat similar to kind of the Epstein stuff where you see echoes of it over and over again, where throughout the 70s and 80s, like, there was another killer out of, I think, Dallas, Fort Worth, that was basically operating a ring like this. Worked very, very similar to Casey. He got busted because he was bringing in accomplices to help. But you look at that, you look at the Dutro affair out of Belgium, right, Which was covered by Murder Maid in his series on Epstein 5, six years ago. But again, going back to this idea of like, the. The actual way, like, the occult works, you're like, wait a minute. This same sort of ritual, if we can torture. That word is repeated over and over and over again. We see that pattern and you look at it and you're like, okay, this fits 80% of it. There are things about this story that don't make sense. I've seen this before. I don't know. Just an interesting thing on that. But sorry to your point about, you know, the musical side of it, even if it is simply just the, like, pretentious art school, like, I want to do something shocking. It's like, yeah, of course, setting aside even the kind of like the commercial or the like, ritualistic significance of it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And I mean, even so, the underbelly is usually always the same. And that's what you're describing. There's this weird ritualistic almost like, I guess, you know, it's conspiracy of more than one. More than one person are taking. Taking part in. In the. The act of this thing. Especially with John Wayne Gacy. I wasn't aware of that. But he's one of the guys that we. We look at because of what he symbolizes and he's dressed as a clown as he's committing these murders. And a lot of times, well, most times when these people are channeling entities or calling something in, they're usually dressing up as what the entity would represent itself as. So like in the DMT realm you'll have these jester like figures and they all kind of, I mean this, it's going to sound bombastic, but there's a lot of evidence behind it. But they, they kind of look like clowns. And when you study the clown and you study like where it came from, you kind of, you, you find occult leanings. And that also does lead, I, it leads back to the nephilim. I, I, I don't want to be the guy that, that's like, everything is nephilim, but it, it kind of, it kind of is. I'm, I'm going through pull stops theory on clowns theory because we, we were just on John Wayne Gacy here.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So by the way, I was listening to something with my, my wife the other day, right? And it's on long drives, she'll read like Reddit stories to us. You know, if the ride is over an hour and he's going through somebody's encounter with some sort of spiritual entity that he saw when he was a kid and then he, and then his kid ended up seeing it. And so when he's a kid, he sees this thing all the time. It's got an impossibly wide smile and it's, its face is like painted white. He said it looked like it was like caked on white, like unnaturally white. And he said because of this, he had this big fear of clowns. One thing leads to another, he gets a little bit older. He hasn't seen the thing in a long time. He ends up bringing it up to his sister and his sister confesses to him, they're adults now, that she has seen this thing before. And I forget, by the way, what they did about it. I think they, they spread some sage around or some shit about it. I'm going, oh my God. And then eventually, you know, he gets older. He has a kid and his son is telling him, you know, in this spree of night terrors that he has, he's finally able to describe like this monster that he's seeing. And it's got an impossibly wide smile with a lot of teeth and its face is like painted white. It's like, yeah, there's something about this, this spiritual entity, these demonic entities that will have over exaggerated features that it seems that the visage of the clown is actually an attempt at mirroring that. And people will go, I don't think that that's true. But there's actually a guy that's responsible for the modern day visage of a clown. He's a Freemason. He worked in the. I don't know if it was Barnum and Bailey, but he worked in the circus. When the circus was at its height, like when America was actually enamored by the circus, it was kind of a big deal because, you know, we didn't have TikTok or something like that to scroll mindlessly through. And there was a real early image of what a clown was and I think it had something to do actually with like a hairy man. It's like doesn't look like what it looks like now. Now all of a sudden there's this iconic image. It was created by this Freemason who worked, you know, alongside the circus. So, you know, you're left to speculate why the pivot and why this image in particular. But there's so much about it that you can connect to these spirits that people see.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, well, one of them being the pale white skin on a clown. That's something that you're going to see all the time. And biblically, in the Book of Enoch as well, when the Nephilim are described, they have pale white skin. A lot of the Nephilim are also described as having like a shock of red hair, two rows of teeth, six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot.

[David El Corbo]

Also being giants?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, also being very. Yeah, big, big. So, you know, you have the gloves. You have the gloves on the clown, you have the large feet to cover the six toes. You have this elongated smile with us usually like red lips around it. And that's a sim. That's a symbolize the cannibalistic nature of the Nephilim or the giant at the time. You have the red hair, obviously even. They even go as far as having sometimes like this. This slit over the eye here. Like it'll have like the two. What would you call that?

[David El Corbo]

It's like a burst. They'll take the makeup and they'll make like this long slit that crosses from down the forehead, you know, over the eye. And the idea is that is to. We're dealing with something that is considered the serpent seed. Right. So you have this reptilian eye that they're doing for dramatic effect. This is all these.

[Top Lobster]

Even the frill, like a. Yeah. Neck frill. Like, points back to this weird, like, reptilian aspect of whatever these things may have been or were representing themselves as. It gets really bizarre and it gets even crazy when you look at certain ancient, like, not even ancient, like modern African tribes. Oh, yeah, they have, they have their shamanistic rituals and they'll dress up like they look like fucking clowns.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, the wooden masks oftentimes look like clowns. And the purpose of what they're doing is they're trying to. They're taking some sort of a drug, they're going through a, a ceremony. There's music in the same way. Like you have binaural beats that kind of sync the hemispheres of the brain. You're getting into this trance state. And the idea is you dress like the spirit that you want to come. So if you're trying to evoke a spirit dressing, like, it is something that they commonly do. What's up, baby? It's Bretzky. And I'm here to tell you that spinquest.com is giving out free sweeps coins. All you got to do is purchase, purchase a ten dollar coin pack.

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[David El Corbo]

Right.

[Jay Burden]

If you're all familiar with that. Yeah, it's this sort of like trauma therapy where you're kind of inducing that behavior through kind of like flashing lights. And you start to look at that. You look at the kind of like, you know, ritual aspects of like, you know, a concert or music. And then like, if you want to really get tinfoil, a hat, like, are you all familiar with, like, this is such a weird thing to bring up on a podcast, but like the, the whole sissy hypno thing.

[Top Lobster]

I'm sorry, Sissy hypno? No, I don't know.

[David El Corbo]

Pardon me.

[Jay Burden]

This is actually real. It became kind of a joke, but basically, so I became aware of this. Or do you guys know who Chris Chan is?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah. So, like 10 years ago, this mentally unwell man was, you know, Going through, you know, YouTube or whatever, looking for binaural beats to turn him into a woman. Right. Where it's this sort of like, you know, playing with that kind of hemisphere relationship.

[David El Corbo]

I don't know. That's a good way to put it.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah. And so you're like, okay, that's weird. Kooky. This is a, you know, an Internet nutcase. But then like four or five years later, you started to hear all this stuff about, you know, guys truning out. Right. They get sucked down a weird rabbit hole in the Internet.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

And then all of a sudden, they think they're a one. Well, one of the sort of search terms associated with this. This idea of sissy hypno. Right. Like, it's pornography that basically is designed to reprogram you into thinking you're a woman.

[David El Corbo]

Wow.

[Jay Burden]

And so that's weird, you know, like, okay, well, you know, whatever. People have always been into weird stuff. And then you're like, wait a minute, why is this using EDMR therapy?

[David El Corbo]

Right.

[Jay Burden]

Why is it actually in the production of that, they are using basically binaural beats using the same kind of flashing light. And you're like, okay, this is way too high concept to just be like some guy trying to make a buck in Eastern Europe.

[David El Corbo]

Whoa, wait, wait.

[Top Lobster]

It's like a government op shit.

[David El Corbo]

I mean, you're saying that this goes deep, man. There's pornography. That's of the. What you kind of say. And it's like, gay. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Is there an oral aspect to it? Not oral, but, like audio.

[Jay Burden]

Yes. So it's basically this in the same way. Right. It's designed for, like, in the same way that EDMR therapy or ketamine is basically to kind of remap your brain.

[David El Corbo]

Whoa.

[Jay Burden]

And so this comes up over and over and over again. Like, one of the most disturbing yet important things on the Internet is Josh Moon over at Kiwi Farms. Right. The guy who runs that website. And the thing that he's taken heat for more than anything else is not, you know, people's docs is not information they don't want out there. Say what you will, if you think that's ethical or not, he's, you know, full free speech. But the most visited tab on that entire website is, I think it's called, like, trans regret or something like that.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, wow.

[Jay Burden]

And it's basically guys that have gone through the surgery, gone through everything, and realized they ruined their lives.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

You know, and so it's just like hundreds of these guys basically saying, like, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. As you can imagine, people don't want that on the Internet. But when they're talking about like, hey, like, how do you end up here, right? How do you go from being a guy to someone with like a hole in your body?

[David El Corbo]

A muscle that.

[Jay Burden]

Elegantly phrased, I don't think that one's

[David El Corbo]

going to get you flagged for anything. I think that's, that's a word we made up.

[Top Lobster]

Mussy still safe.

[David El Corbo]

Okay, I'm pretty sure mussy's still safe.

[Top Lobster]

Well, not for. Don't.

[David El Corbo]

No, no, no, no, no. That's not to be conflated with. Have a musi. It's complicated.

[Top Lobster]

Put your penis in there.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It depends on your definition of safe, right? Yeah, but you hear this over and over again. There's this like self radicalization, right? That basically it's like, you know, you, you get into some stuff, you get a little further and then all of a sudden you're basically like literally reprogramming your brain in real time and you're syncing that with a massive serotonin dump. Right?

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

When you. And you're like, oh, wait a minute. This is basically like you were MK altering yourself.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah. Well, at the bare minimum, you're doing a reward system, right. Even if you don't break it down in the chemical. I mean, you reward a dog for good behavior with a treat. We're very similar in that way. I do X, I get Y. Right. And so you're, you're rewarded at the end is, as you said, this serotonin dump. But are you saying that these guys in these, you know, these like detransitioning spaces are saying a lot of them are subjected to this. This binaural beats.

[Jay Burden]

This is massively, massively popular.

[David El Corbo]

Really?

[Jay Burden]

Weirdly, the, the one of the places I found out about it, he's kind of a bizarre character, but Nima Parvini, like an academic, basically did this whole deep dive on this like four or five years ago. You can just look it up. Just academic. Agent Sissy Hypno.

[David El Corbo]

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[David El Corbo]

Yep.

[Jay Burden]

And you start to. You kind of. All these things fall together and you're

[David El Corbo]

like, oh, no, nothing new under the sun. Nothing new under the sun.

[Top Lobster]

The crazy thing is that that's what you're describing is the mechanism. And I mean, I was. I was partially aware of. Of that phenomenon, but I don't know, man. I don't know.

[David El Corbo]

What is it? Sissy hypno.

[Top Lobster]

It just, it never continues. It never ceases to surprise me, like, the levels in which that they'll go. But this idea of binaural beats. Yeah. It's big in the UFO community now, which we're kind of like we're about to disclose some crazy shit. But binaural beats C5. It's basically when you play two close frequencies and they are so close together that the brain perceives it as something completely different. So it's almost like an illusion. And that's what's happening when you're. You're doing. When you're binaural beat, downing yourself when you're doing CE5. So it's like there's a level of suggestibility. And I think where it ties into the MK Ultra stuff is that it brings forth personality within you that wasn't there before. There's a. There's a third. You understand? It's like, so there's. There are two, and then they're suggesting to you that there should be a third brought fourth. And for some reason, this could make you trans.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

This can put you in contact with

[David El Corbo]

entities, can make you a Manchurian candidate,

[Top Lobster]

can make you call down UFOs. This can make you schizophrenic. You name it.

[David El Corbo]

I think that all those things are correlated because effectively what it's doing is it's putting you in tune.

[Top Lobster]

A disassociate. Well, you're in a disassociative state.

[David El Corbo]

You're in a dissociative state. But you're.

[Jay Burden]

Well, and, and what is one of the most, often the kind of, most typical symptoms of either, you know, childhood sexual abuse, extreme overexposure to sex and violence. It's a disassociative state.

[David El Corbo]

Yep.

[Jay Burden]

And it's like, okay, you're disassociated. Your soul, your mind is out of your body. You've basically blown your brain apart. And it's like, well, who comes in?

[David El Corbo]

Exactly.

[Jay Burden]

Like, you read Les Wexner. Right. You may remember him from, you know, from. From Jeffrey Epstein fame.

[David El Corbo]

Yep.

[Jay Burden]

When he's talking to New York magazine in the 80s, basically talks about like he got abused as a kid. He didn't say sexually, but just like, you know, had a tough time upbringing. You can kind of read between the lines if you want. And, you know, working in his dad's dead end clothing store, and all of a sudden he's get a dibuk. Right. The. The demon in his head.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

Who tells him all these great ideas, tells him how to make money.

[Top Lobster]

Yep.

[Jay Burden]

And you're like, well, that. That's weird. That would be weird if anyone said that, particularly you. And like the gossip column of a minor magazine.

[David El Corbo]

It's crazy where they'll say these things.

[Top Lobster]

And what's even crazier is that I think he. He encounters and he invites this d book debut. We say the demon, he invites this thing in as he's climbing a mountain. So again, you have this like, concept, this motif of like in the high place. This is where these things, these entities reside. You know, shout out, visit Mount Hermon right behind your head there.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah. Or make an Aztec temple, climb to the top of it, and then sacrifice people to your God. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

There's a.

[Jay Burden]

There's a through line going back to even going back to kings. Right. When Elijah calls down, you know, fire. Where are they? They're at a high place. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David El Corbo]

That's where the ten Commandments are received.

[Top Lobster]

And it's actually, it's funny because we're on this, like, I mean, we can go so many different ways with this, the binaural beats thing or this aspect of frequency. And we've done, we've done a ton of work on this. Like, even though the show seems kind of retarded. Yeah, it is. Do you want to, do you want to tell them about, like, the telepathy tape stuff or do you want to go into alien disclosure?

[David El Corbo]

Because, like, it's kind of almost one and one for one, two different stories, but it's very similar. Well, all Right. So I think that earlier when we talked about these entities imparting knowledge, whether it's of agriculture or other things, and I think music is another one, or great works of art, they'll attribute it to the muses. I think technology is no exception. And I think a lot of the technology that we have pioneered that is utilized in operations like MK Ultra and things like that are frequency based technology. You know, binaural beats the CE5 app, like we said.

[Top Lobster]

Although within that, within MK Ultra and within these, these techniques that they use, like they're, you know, they're not going to not use satanic ritual abuse. They're not going to not use sexual abuse.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah. They're not going to not BF them.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. These are like ways there, there are many ways to get the same thing. And what they're trying to do, a

[David El Corbo]

lot of ways to skin a cat

[Top Lobster]

or ultimately what they're trying to do is create a disassociative state within a person. I mean, the younger the better.

[David El Corbo]

I think it's more than just a disassociative state though. I think so. The trauma does allow for possession or oppression, but I think that the brain is a frequency conductor of sorts and that if you can alter the brain chemistry, you can alter what frequency it's perceiving. And so I think that while the trauma does allow access, you could amplify like for example in, in alien abductions or in the tooth implant in the case of Lucille Ball. And we'll get into a little bit of that. But there was a real effort. So in the alien abduction phenomenon, it's a big mystery, but they're left with implants. I think those implants are frequency conducting implants that allow it facilitates the communication between the abductee and the abductor to a degree that wouldn't be as potent if it wasn't for the implant.

[Top Lobster]

But I do think again to take it out of the woo for your audience that may be listening. You know, these alien abductions may be aliens. They also may be government abductions. I mean from the scope of interviews that we've done and testimony that we've read from different people, they'll say, I don't know, there was an insectilon with a cape and a tall collar and behind him was a government worker with

[David El Corbo]

a pad and there was a military official off in the corner or I

[Top Lobster]

was like in an underground facility somewhere. So it's like that is constantly coming up. You can throw a lot of that out. But we have to consider some of these things.

[David El Corbo]

But I think that, I mean, to that point.

[Jay Burden]

Right, and just a brief interjection. Obviously, the. The MK Ultra stuff that got. That gets the headlines is the mind control.

[David El Corbo]

Sure.

[Jay Burden]

But MK Ultra was a pretty expansive program they just released, and by just, I mean the last five years, a description of all of the different sub programs. And they run the gamut from just like a whole bunch of stuff with poison, you know, just like, I don't know, figure this out. Interviewing a bunch of, like, Hungarian expats to figure out what's going on there. And then on the other end, you have basically seeing if they could cure anxiety disorders by strapping a guy down to a table for 30 days playing do Not Be Anxious over a loudspeaker and giving him, like, a medically inadvisable dose of acid.

[David El Corbo]

That's a great one.

[Jay Burden]

Okay, if. If you're on the other end of that, if you're maybe a little bit neurotic, you. You haven't slept, you've been on acid for a month, and you've just heard a mechanical voice telling you not to be anxious. I don't know what that feels like, but it's probably pretty close to an alien abduction.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. I think that there is a huge number one. I think aliens are fake and gay. And so some of the audience that hears that might go like, what do you mean? There's real. There are real things happening. There is a physical aspect to this. There seems to be a phenomenon that takes place where, like, the individual never actually goes anywhere in a physical realm, but perceives going somewhere in what you might call, you know, an astral or spiritual realm. I think that much of this is a cover for MK Ultra adjacent programs, but I still think that at the root of it, it is inherently demonic, because I think that the techniques and the technology and the motives behind these things, they supersede human motives. And these are things that are channeled over and over again. These things are typically, you know, within the New Age movement, you'll find that all the New Age thought leaders channeled these things. You go into some of these big technological developments. They were developed by way of channeling. You go into the music.

[Top Lobster]

CERN is doing mock sacrifices to Shiva, the goddess of destruction. You're like, what the fuck are you guys.

[David El Corbo]

That's just for funsies, you know? But so I do think that there is a real demonic element to it. And I do think that the alien phenomenon as we perceive it has really been facilitated by 80 years of Hollywood propaganda. You know, if anybody is being really honest with themselves, even if you had an experience, an abduction experience, which is not really all that uncommon, you still have to square with the fact that the vast majority of your idea of what these things are, where they might come from, what sorts of. It comes from Hollywood. Right. So that's really where our two modalities are coming from. It's abductee testimony and Hollywood.

[Jay Burden]

And you see that with the whole men who stare at goats movie.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

Right. Where it's like, okay, yeah, sure, that's a comedy movie. It wasn't very good. But also, like, that sure is a convenient thing that that is released shortly before all the Project Searchlight stuff.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

Was dropped, where you're like, well, if this was just a joke, if this was just a crazy idea that they cooked up with an unlimited budget, why do you guys keep doing it for 40 years? You know, like, how was. How are you finding downed pilots and Afghanistan? And then you. In the most recent news, you hear, you read the thing about, like, oh, we found this pilot in Iran because of a magic heartbeat satellite. And you're like. Or I don't know, the. The whole, like, ESP thing you guys admitted you were doing.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah. Remote viewing.

[Jay Burden]

You stopped doing. It's like, I don't know, man. Maybe that's related. I don't have a smoking gun on that front, but, like, there.

[David El Corbo]

By the way, there might be some people that listen to your show and that have had. I know it's the case on our show because we deal with specifically crazy people. But if there's anybody out there who has had experiences with any of these things and they think that they're real. So a lot of the times, these things. I'm talking about an alien abduction experiences, they'll tell them shit. Like, number one, that they're chosen in their special. You know, that they're a star seed, that they were sent here to help. In fact, the running narrative is you were sent here to help raise the frequency, the vibrational frequency of Earth, because Earth needs to ascend as not only a planet, but also as a people.

[Top Lobster]

It's a. It's just basically New age ideology. And then usually that will be paired with some sort of, like, ecological message

[David El Corbo]

or, oh, yeah, there's a coming calamity. And if you don't go out and evangelize on behalf of, you know, this messenger, you might risk a pole shift. You know, so it. But. But the thing is, before it was ever a magnetic Pole shift. And before it was ever nuclear war, which you're looking at Iran and Israel and you go, maybe it was like climate change and shit. And that just never came to pass. These things always have the same M.O. they take the individual. If there's any message imparted, you are special, you have a job to do. If you don't, disaster ensues and mankind fails. And that disaster has always changed. It's been pollution, right? We were going to destroy our planet by way of pollution. It's been, and this is going back as far as like the 70s and 80s, it's been climate change that was going to lead to, you know, all kinds of massive floods and all this shit. Tidal waves, A great tidal wave. People will often get that one.

[Top Lobster]

Nuclear war. Nuclear war.

[David El Corbo]

There is nuclear war. And, and the magnetic polar shift are the ones that I think they run with the most because they seem the most feasible to people, especially with, you know, the whole war situation. But they've put dates on these things. Abductees have received, you know, dates of when this calamity was supposed to come to pass, and they've never been right. I'm not saying that that doesn't mean you're experiencing something and I'm not saying that the entity that you're experiencing isn't real. I'm just saying in America we've been detached from the spiritual realm to such a degree and we've bought into this materialistic paradigm that when something steps through it and presents itself to us, that doesn't fit that whole materialistic paradigm by virtue of being amazing, we think that it's not lying. It's like these things lie, man. They lie a lot. They're super. Like this is a real phenomenon. There is an MK Ultra aspect to it. There is does seem to be some entity aspect to it that's, you know, non human. It's inherently deceptive.

[Top Lobster]

And there's such. It's crazy, the through line, it's almost. It's so obvious. But the church has done a great job of stripping the general public of the view of the supernatural that I think we need to be equipped with. And again, you know, the book of Enoch, take it or leave, especially the second and third one, I don't really adhere to that. But the first one is quoted directly in the book of Jude, Judah, verse 14 and 15, and Enoch 1:9 chapter, chapter 1, verse 9. And Enoch in the first Enoch, it's word for word. So Jude, who is the brother of Jesus, is quoting Enoch, which means that these people were familiar, at the very least with, with the first book of Enoch. And that book is talking about the nature of these entities, which are the Nephilim or the Dean, what we would call demons. Now, a dead nephilim would be a disembodied spirit, a demon. And they knew this stuff and they were telling us about this. He's even talking about, you know, in the book of Judah, the angels that left their first estate. So they were in touch with the supernatural. And we're not.

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[Top Lobster]

And now we're about to be. We have President Trump. He's going to declassify. Go ahead, Jay.

[Jay Burden]

No, no. Well, and I think that that's a really interesting point to kind of look at this from, from both ends, which is the. And in a certain way, this like, instinct to strip the supernatural out of Christianity kind of hit its high water mark, like around the American founding, right? You have like the Jefferson Bible where he basically goes through with a razor blade and, you know, cuts out anything that he didn't like. But at the same time, you see that all too often this idea of like, well, the Bible, scripture, whatever, is basically just kind of like a life manual by a wise guy and like all that other stuff, like, yeah, we can kind of, we would throw it out. It doesn't matter. And I think there's a couple things, which is one, you see predominantly in the kind of evangelical world which I'm in it, not of it. I'm surrounded by these people, they're good neighbors. But there are certain flaws in that culture and one of them is that they've been hit by psychotherapy like a freight train. Like all of the stuff about, like going to therapy, that whole land, oh yeah, it's just burning through that world. But there are several interesting things about that. One is a presupposition that anything going on in your life is ultimately medical. Right? It can be explained by brain chemistry or, you know, childhood trauma or whatever. To the idea that anything happening to you is entirely materialistic. And that is really, if we're thinking about it from their perspective comes higher than anything in the book that you say defines your entire life. Right. You're taking that authority and kind of subsuming it to, like, a woman with two years of extra school, you know. Right, right.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

And it's so frustrating because it's like, well, look, like you've got to understand that framing, that idea of, like, psychotherapy or whatever, it isn't neutral. It is making a claim about how the world works, how your perception of reality works. And the reason I bring it up is because you could say, like, oh, well, let's look at, like, the people who are most likely to say, you know, I believe in demons, I believe in angels. Right? Yeah, sure, they do. And they're probably with the best people we've got in America. But if you look at how they actually live, it's like, you don't live like you believe that. You live like you're, you know, a guy who listened to NPR 20 years ago. Like, you're just lagging behind that part of culture and this whole kind of conversation about evil, because this is evil, right. And if you believe that evil is real, evil is active and coordinated, you're kind of left with several reactions to that, which is to just stick your head in the sand or say basically, like, oh, well, this has to be resisted. And I think that that's a really interesting divide because to your. And this is what we were talking about an hour ago, right? This kind of very, you know, comfortable version of God. C.S. lewis has called it, you know, Jesus with water. Right? Like drinking your whiskey with a little bit of water in it.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

You're kind of taking the edge off. And it's this idea that basically anything that's, like, hard or nasty or gross or real, that can all be pushed out. This. The main purpose of being Christian, the main purpose of going to church is to be minorly respectable, right. To do the things that good people do. And it's like, okay, well, you know, I guess there's some element of that. You know, like, there's certain kind of moral instructions in the book, if you take it at all seriously. But. But if you believe that God is real, if you believe that the devil is real, like, that should change how you interact with the world. That's a radical assumption. And I don't know. Sorry, a little bit of a diatribe there, but it's something that I find incredibly frustrating because you see people proclaim it out of one side of their mouth and then live as if they are, you know, godless materialists, otherwise.

[David El Corbo]

Sorry. Well, you touched on something there saying that the church. People that go to church are hyper into this idea of therapy and, you know, this. This unwillingness to recognize that you are in. Call it what it is. It's spiritual warfare. Right. If you believe that the devil exists, then we exist in spiritual warfare. And this idea that everything can be explained away medically is something that I think we're coming to terms with not being.

[Top Lobster]

I think we. I'd like to add a disclaimer as well, because obviously I'm of that mindset, but sometimes you do dumb shit, you know, so we have to also be able to be like, all right, listen, that was my responsibility. There's a thing that I could take care of here as well. Sure. Do not ignore that other side, that spiritual side, because that is also very real. So I think the. You know, the dance that you have to do with the dynamic that you have to play is trying to trust your discernment on. Okay, when is this a spiritual attack? When is this something that is within my control? Because there's many things that are within your control that you can control. And it might not be external, but.

[David El Corbo]

Go ahead. I have an example. And actually, Jay, you might be interested in talking to this individual. We've had him on the show a couple of times. His name is Dr. Jerry Marzinski, and he is a clinical psychologist who has dealt with specifically schizophrenia for 35 years. And we talked about not everything can be medical. Right. Within the materialistic paradigm, every potential ailment that you have has a reason, a medical reason. Well, Marzinski, after dealing with these schizophrenic patients, he dealt with them in a clinical hospital setting for a long time. That hospital eventually got shut down, and he moved over to a prison setting.

[Jay Burden]

And.

[David El Corbo]

And in that prison setting, he had the ability to, I don't know, kind of be a little bit more free in the way that he interacted with them. So the medical apparatus will tell you, do not feed into them whatsoever. Because you're just feeding into their delusions and their hallucinations. And this could be harmful.

[Top Lobster]

When he was in the hospital, he was asking them specifically, like, well, so what are the voices telling you? And, yeah, the medical system there was like, hey, don't do that. Don't play into that. It's creating more delusions. The hallucinations are intensifying.

[David El Corbo]

This is the way we treat it. This is the way you treat it. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Take pills, ignore that and move on.

[David El Corbo]

So what ended up happening was he started to notice patterns arising in these people and their experiences. Specifically, I think 23 patterns that these voices, these intrusive auditory hallucinations would adhere to. Now, within hallucinations, you would expect some patterns to emerge, because even in randomness, occasionally a pattern will emerge, but not 23 reliable patterns.

[Top Lobster]

Reliable, consistent ones.

[David El Corbo]

What eventually ends up happening is he starts to treat these things, and he starts telling his patients in the prison setting to treat them as if they are external to themselves and not a chemical imbalance of the brain, that they're helpless to remedy themselves. They need external help, they need pills to be sedated, and they need experts. And he finds not only do a bunch of people have a lot of success with this model, but when he comes out of the other end, he's retired now, I believe he thinks that they're definitively external to the individual. It has nothing to do with the chemical imbalance. Now, the trauma is present. Typically, there's a childhood trauma that's present. And we talked earlier about how that allows these things access.

[Top Lobster]

There's also a very fascinating through line of methamphetamine. Oh, yeah, methamphetamine.

[David El Corbo]

Well, he said drug use in general, but methamphetamine being the most effective.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he's like, that one is like, you kick the door open and put a door stopper in it, and now that that pathway is open to whatever wants to come in and out, and you kind of can track that back to Nazi Germany as well, which is interesting with Pervitin.

[Jay Burden]

But, hey, look, this podcast is sponsored by meth.

[David El Corbo]

I'm on it right now.

[Top Lobster]

I should have wore my Pervitin T shirt.

[David El Corbo]

He does have one. So he comes out of the other end of this, and he's saying, the closest thing, not a religious man, the closest thing that he found that describes what these hallucinations were is demons, that they were inherently demonic. He actually came on our show for one of his appearances with an individual who was diagnosed bipolar schizophrenic in his, like, early 20s. And by the time he came on our show, he was a retired mechanical engineer. And the way that he overcame these things was not by giving agency over to the medical apparatus and saying, I am helpless to fix this thing. I'm fundamentally broken. Instead, he takes that agency back, and he treats these things as if they're external to himself now. He's not burdened by them anymore.

[Top Lobster]

And so, in a sense, like, everybody has this. We call them intrusive thoughts. And I'M sure that you have. You've had a couple just throughout this show.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

A little voice says, I call him a faggot.

[David El Corbo]

A little voice says, end the stream.

[Top Lobster]

Hit end. Yeah, put that gun. But it seems like in the case of schizophrenics, that voice is just louder and more undeniable.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe even sometimes it appears like your own voice. It seems like they have, like, a Rolodex to your memory where they can just scroll through and tell you about the things that you've done in the past and why you should hate yourself for that.

[David El Corbo]

Specifically that they have been watching. It's not that they have access to your thoughts, but they are there. They have a lot of time on their hands, and they are watching. They are familiar spirits that are there all the time.

[Top Lobster]

One great story that Jerry tells is when he is working in the jail and he's interviewing his patients. He's kind of doing this thing where he's writing down what they're telling them, and he's. He's interfering in a big way because he start. He's starting to intervene and tell the people, you know, maybe this is outside of you. Maybe think about it this way. And one of the patients comes into him and they go, hey, you know, what you're. You're doing is dangerous. Right. And he's like, what am I doing? I'm just, you know, you guys are coming here willingly. I'm a doctor. And he said, the voices are telling me that you have no right to interfere with our way of life.

[Jay Burden]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

So this voice that's talking to him from an individual patient is telling him that he's got no right to be doing what he's doing within this entire

[David El Corbo]

prison system, but specifically interfering with their way of life, which I think is a really keen insight. These things are parasitic. They need you to believe that your thoughts are your own and that there's not something external whispering intrusive bullshit to you. In fact, it seems that the more you identify with these thoughts, the more that you believe what they're saying, the more effective they are, and eventually the more power that they get. It seems that the parasitical nature comes by way of feeding off of these low energies that you admit. I've had experiences with all kinds of crap my entire life. It's what made me a conspiracy theorist. One of the patterns that seems super consistent is if you are in a low place in life, if you are depressed, if you are sad and angry and. And anxious, and all these things, they eat off of that. That's been something that. That pattern emerges consistently even throughout this show, but specifically throughout my own experiences. And other people who have experienced strange things will say that they come at a low point. In fact, a lot of people have some of the worst experiences with supernatural entities. Around divorces or around the death of a loved one or something like that. So if this thing can whisper to you that you're worthless and nobody loves you and you can't do it and you're a piece of shit and all these different things and you believe that, well, what happens when you believe that? You get sad, dude. You get sad, you get depressed, you get angry, you know, all these different things. And this thing is feeding off of that, and it's getting stronger. The stronger it gets, the louder it gets. So the only difference between us and an actual, you know, medically diagnosed schizophrenic patient is how much, number one trauma, I think, how much access was given right off the jump. If a hole was punched in your psyche and something slipped in, well, it's got a pretty good anchor point right away then from there on, how much do you believe the shit that it's saying to you, and how much do you believe that it's your own thoughts? You know, Marzinski says that he believes upwards of 80% of our thoughts are not our own. Which I think is exactly goes right back to what we were talking about earlier in the show, this channeling thing, right? Santana getting his inspiration from Metatron. These things exist in a. In a realm that I think is best defined as like a frequency. They can't be here in the physical realm. I don't think. Maybe in some rare instances they can. You know, if a messenger, angel of God shows up, good luck telling somebody that that's not a real thing. That was in this physical realm. But I think mostly the way I've heard it described is like Al Capone still running the mob from in prison, right? So these things exist in a place that we perceive as frequency. That's why you have those weird stories of, like, disembodied voices over the telephone. Or back when it was a tube tv, the static. All of a sudden, images would pop up in the static and it would seem like there's spirits in the TV. You go.

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[David El Corbo]

A little bit further back and you find plenty of instances of intellectuals that were pushed out by the scientific community or the academic community and called pseudo scientists and things like that. But they're trying to contact these realms with all kinds of different technology. The Spirit Comm is a great example of it. It's basically a radio that's going to tune to different frequencies to try to come into contact with these things. So I think that what you have interacting with people here's actually a really great kind of connection to that Lucille Ball back in. I think it was like 47 or something like that, or 48. She gets a routine dental procedure and starts to pick up.

[Top Lobster]

No, that was, that was a little

[David El Corbo]

further on, was it in the 50s. So she gets this routine dental procedure and afterwards she starts to pick up radio frequency. She's hearing music in her head. And we've actually seen that get kind of played off a lot on like Looney Tunes and things like that. They'll make cartoons about it. And it happens again, but this time it's not music, it's Japanese insurgencies. And she gets in contact with the police. This is like in California and Hollywood. And they thwart this insurgency by the Japanese and, you know, so it's this really wild story. She picks up their communications and ends up stopping something, you know, pretty dire. But that guy who developed that technology of putting an implant in the tooth, he goes on to. His name is Andreja Puharij. He goes on to work with all sorts of people who were there at the budding beginnings of MK Ultra. And all of that technology is implemented in their patients. They're giving them high doses of LSD and they're giving them dental procedures where they're putting heavy metals in their teeth. And these people are. Their brain chemistry has been altered and they have a frequency conducting device in their tooth. And they're communicating. They're communicating with something else in a different realm. This is where all that shit comes from, where our intelligence agencies were obsessed with. This is where, you know, stranger things comes from. Like the idea of having these children who are traumatized and in a disassociative state and contacting a different realm filled with different entities. It's all this shit back in 47, 48, early 50s

[Jay Burden]

guys, this has been a ton of fun. In case you're wondering. I normally go for an hour. Okay, an hour 25. This is a good episode.

[David El Corbo]

I'm glad. I hope people can follow it. I hope we weren't too schizophrenic for them.

[Jay Burden]

Yeah, look, as someone who exclusively caters to an audience of the mentally unwell.

[David El Corbo]

Nice.

[Jay Burden]

I think this will go great, guys. Like I said, we'll have to do this again sometime. This was a ton of fun. And if I didn't have Buck Johnson coming on and like 20 minutes. We love.

[Top Lobster]

Tell Buck we said hi and he's. He has to come on the show.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, he does. Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

As someone who now knows you both, that would be incredibly entertaining to me, sort of regardless of what happens.

[David El Corbo]

We've had him on. We've had him on before. Yeah, Great guest. Great.

[Top Lobster]

Me and Buck are friends. We go back, you know, our libertarian days. We're no longer gay, but, you know, we ain't gay no more. Tell them we said hi.

[Jay Burden]

You got hit with the. You got the. The Milo treatment. You're not gay.

[David El Corbo]

Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

Like we pray.

[Jay Burden]

Mike Pence, just with the lightning hands. Anyway, in all seriousness, where can people find you?

[David El Corbo]

You can find us anywhere. Nephilim Death Squad. I mean, sorry, you can find Nephilim Death Squad anywhere. You find podcasts. And if you go to patreon.com forward slash, nephilim death squad. We record sometimes two times a day. So we're putting out a lot of episodes per week. If you want up to date episodes that are uncensored and all that jazz, that's the place to do it. And also, I think we're supposed to do that today. We're supposed to release those tickets. Bohemian Grove 4. It's a comedy Christianity, conspiracy theory event, a live event. We have all kinds of podcasters and performers. It's out in Florida in wildlife.

[Top Lobster]

Florida is already sold.

[David El Corbo]

VIP sold out in less than 48 hours. But if you want general admission tickets, you can go to toplopstead.com for that and for also for our merch.

[Top Lobster]

That's right. If you want T shirts from me, toplopster.com follow me on Twitter too. I don't really care about too anymore. Top Lobster. That's with an horror, not a hard R. Thank you very much, David. David El Corbo on Twitter. Go follow him. He posts some bangers sometimes.

[Jay Burden]

I've told this story on my show not that long ago, but I am. I'm permanently IP banned from Teespring because, you know you get a little silly, you start making some ideas.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Burden]

And turns out Teespring and many other merch stores share a list of people who are not allowed to make merch. And if you ball too hard, they don't let you make T shirts anymore.

[Top Lobster]

You want to know the way around it? You want to know real quick. All right, so here's what you got to do. 10,000 hours of learning how to graphic design yourself, and then you spend another $15,000 on your own printing machine. Then you send it to a guy in North Florida, and he does all your manufacturing. And then you buy a 3D printing machine and maybe a laser cutter, and you do it all through your own private website. Really, it's super simple, but that's what I do. So. Yeah, you could do that yourself too.

[Jay Burden]

It took me 26 seconds to get banned on Teespring. Only 15 years of what did you say?

[Top Lobster]

What did you do? I gotta know. What did you do?

[Jay Burden]

Okay, I'll tell you the abbreviated version. People heard the story before, but on Teespring, you can set up your listing so that the people who buy the shirt can only see the front. And you can write whatever you want on the back. And I thought, I mean, you already know where I'm going with this. So I said, like, literally no profit. This is just funny. A T shirt with like my logo on it. On the back it said, I am a convicted rapist.

[Top Lobster]

I have one. I have a shirt of his face. And it has a. You ever see the. The female.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, where they put the triangle. And the triangle determines whether it's a male skull or a female skull.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so it's his face with that. But on the back of it, it says gay Jew shill fed. You can buy [e-mail]. i love that shirt.

[Jay Burden]

Anyway, guys, we'll have to do this again. It was a ton of fun. I'll be sure to link to all of Yalls socials. As far as my stuff J. Burden show, anywhere you listen to podcasts, you want the episodes early and ad free, you have to throw me a few bucks on Patreon substack or gumroad. We have sponsors. Not that you'd know it, because I always forget about them. Fox and Sons coffee. Jay Burden gets you 15% off Axios remote fitness and coaching. JD has supported me for years. I don't know why I always forget that he sponsors me. I got the name of his company wrong for two years. So, like, not for my sake, but for his. I mean, click the Link. He needs it.

[Top Lobster]

And shout out to Fox and Sons companies. They used to. We used to work with them as well.

[David El Corbo]

Oh, that's right.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they really. Yeah, really good people.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah. They keep picking horrifying people to work with, like you and us, but it

[Jay Burden]

has to be a personality disorder.

[David El Corbo]

There's something wrong there. Maybe they should talk to Dr. Jerry Marzinski.

[Jay Burden]

Send me Top, if you can. Send me the link to talk to Dr. Marzinski. That sounds interesting.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. You'll get a kick out of him, man. He's great.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I'll give you his email.

[Jay Burden]

Awesome. I will say, one of the other things that I find really funny and it drives people up the walls, is just literally cutting off the podcast in the middle of a sentence. The end record button.

[David El Corbo]

We do that all the time.

[Jay Burden]

It drives people up the wall.

[David El Corbo]

You know what? Nobody's ever said anything about us doing it in a negative way, but we do that constantly. Top has the button over there. He just hits the button.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, like, when I'm done, I'm like, done.

[David El Corbo]

Yeah, it'll be sentence. And it actually just. I think it makes it funnier.

[Top Lobster]

If I don't like what they're saying in the chat. I'm like, you.

[David El Corbo]

Goodbye, guys.

[Jay Burden]

This will be up behind the paywall in probably a couple hours, and then I'll tag you when it comes out on social media. This is a ton of fun. We got to do it again.

[David El Corbo]

All right, brother. We'll be in touch.

[Top Lobster]

All right, man, talk to you later.

[Jay Burden]

All right, see you. Thanks.

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