THROWBACK: NDS ON NYSTV

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad – THROWBACK: NDS ON NYSTV (May 13, 2026)

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad
Host Network: TopLobsta Productions
Participants: David L Corbo, TopLobsta, John Pounders, Guest/Co-host
Theme: Exposing hidden history, confronting spiritual deception, and exploring conspiracies and biblical worldview with humor and cultural commentary.

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Episode Overview

This episode is an extended, rapid-fire discussion between the core Nephilim Death Squad crew and John Pounders, revisiting a previous NYSTV conversation. The hosts bring their trademark blend of Christian-rooted conspiratorial investigation, irreverence, and humor to wide-ranging topics: spiritual agency and blame, anti-Semitism in alternative media, Christians and fear, exposing lies and manipulation, the comedy woven into Scripture, spiritual warfare, and alien/Nephilim deception narratives. Personal experiences—being canceled, church life, generational curses, and so on—add intimacy and urgency to their call for a biblical worldview amid chaos and deception.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Rejecting Victimhood & Personal Agency

• Responsibility vs. Blame: The hosts quickly confront cycles of blaming outside groups (specifically Jews) for cultural decline, distinguishing critique of power structures from blanket hatred.
  • Quote: “They’re literally just feeding people’s own problems... we all have free will.” – Guest/Co-host (04:43)
  • Quote: “When has it ever been good to blame someone else for your own problems?” – Guest/Co-host (05:44)
• Owen Benjamin Principle: Discussing comedian Owen Benjamin's controversial take—“kill the Jew in your own heart”—interpreted comedically as self-examination and killing off one’s own sinful nature (04:02).
  • Quote: “What he’s talking about is dealing with your own sin.” – Host 1 (04:11)
  • Timestamps: [03:34-04:42] Engage in a thoughtful parsing of personal agency and taking ownership.

2. Anti-Semitism in the Conspiracy Community

• Dangerous Theological Applications: Critique of guests like Dustin Nemos, who link Jewishness to demonic origins—calling it “madness” and “outlandish” when extended to every Jewish person (08:34–10:00).
  • Quote: “He says a Nephilim is a J, and a demon is a dead J… if you’re delivering that as a comedy bit, that’s outlandish and funny, but he’s dead serious.” – Host 1 (08:34)
  • Agency & Feedback Loops: Recognition of how online communities create echo chambers of blame, paranoia, and “audience capture.” (10:00–11:43)
• Dividing Critique and Hate: Nuanced stance—calling out evil by name where warranted but separating that from cursing the nation of Israel or Jewish individuals (17:28–19:02).
  • Biblical Grounding: “I think there’s a difference between blessing and cursing Israel… praying for them to come to know Christ vs. supporting state or military actions blindly.” – Host 1 & John Pounders (18:09)
  • Redemption for All: “If Jews are irredeemable, where does that put the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?” – John Pounders (12:37)

3. Comedy and the Bible – A Subversive Tool

• Humor as Weapon Against Fear:
  • Humor is used as a coping and teaching tool against the darkness and heaviness of contemporary events (27:30–29:34).
  • Quote: “Comedy helps not to be afraid… if you look at these things too long you’ll spiral into victimhood.” – Host 1 (23:25)
  • Scripture as Unexpected Comedy: Enjoyment of “funny” or deeply human moments in the Bible, including sarcasm in divine actions and flawed heroes (29:30–36:17).
    • Example: “First thing Jesus did after the crucifixion is talk shit to his enemies in hell—he won.” – John Pounders (31:08)
    • Example: “How could you not read this and find joy?” (34:09)

4. Spiritual Warfare, Human Flaws, and the Narrow Path

• Generational Sins & Deliverance: Discussion of “generational iniquity” and the power of Christ to break curses, including through forgiveness and letting go of resentment after personal and ministry betrayals (37:36–56:50).
  • Dreams & Self-Examination: Host 1 shares a vivid dream about being tempted by resentment and choosing peacemaking over holding grudges (51:44-56:50).
    • “Blessed are the peacemakers… I wasn’t saying I was wrong, I just said I’m sorry for all of this. I don’t want animosity. That was a big pivot for me.” – Host 1 (55:20)
• Enduring Suffering in Faith: Listener testimony segment spotlights courage and faith through family tragedy—persevering through suffering with hope, not nihilism (71:47–75:14).
  • Quote: “Sometimes I wake up and wonder ‘what am I doing?’ But the power is saying I will not (give up)… because God.” – John Pounders (73:07)

5. Alien/Nephilim Deception, Disclosure, and Spiritual Danger

• Aliens as Demonic Entities: Strongly assert that the modern “alien abduction” phenomenon is a spiritual deception connected to ancient Nephilim and fallen angel narratives (84:49–94:40).
  • “The demonic phenomenon and the alien phenomenon are almost a one-to-one.” – Host 1 (85:46)
  • Hybridization & Current Events: References to Matt Gaetz’s “breeding program” comments and connecting them to biblical accounts of genetic contamination (87:16–92:38).
  • Ancient Underground Civilizations: Theorizing ancient Canaanite or “mole people” connected to biblical exiles (91:17–92:35).
• New Age & Modern Cults: Warnings about deception and the infiltration of cults (e.g., Raelians, Clonaid) blending biblical terms and narratives with science fiction and sexuality (97:46–101:09).

6. Staying in the Fight: Building Community & Bearing Fruit

• Church Outside the Box: Descriptions of “Straight Bible” studies and a flourishing, deep-dive local Christian community in a coffee shop—prioritizing Scripture, mutual discussion, and true fellowship over traditional church trappings (47:51–50:32).
• Perseverance in Ministry: Reflection on being “canceled,” losing venues and friends, but pressing on—“Fear vs. faith is the ultimate choice.” (41:46–46:42)
• Living with Purpose: Challenge to press on in influencing the culture for Christ, even if “generational cycles” of apostasy persist (66:46–70:48).
  • Quote: “Our job is to make disciples. That’s what the Great Commission is… the worse things get, the more refined our lens is.” – Host 1 (107:52)

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Memorable Quotes & Standout Moments

• On Agency & Blame:
  “We literally allowed it by buying their stuff… nobody has to stuff their mouth full of McDonald’s… or look at porn and masturbate all day… we all have free will.” – Guest/Co-host (04:43)

• On Comedy in the Gospel:
  “The first thing Jesus did when he came off the cross was talk shit to his enemies—because he won.” – John Pounders (31:37)

• On Suffering & Faith:
  “All of the pain you’re experiencing is passing through a very limited filter…” – Host 1 (75:56)

• On Deception & Modern “Aliens”:
  “If you look through antiquity, the alien phenomenon is the same old rebranding—Nephilim, fallen angels, now aliens.” – Host 1 (86:54)

• On Forgiveness vs. Grudges:
  “If you want to be successful, you have to be that way… holding grudges is not the key to success.” – Guest/Co-host (81:13)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Rejecting Victimhood/Blame: [01:30–07:24]
• Comedy as Ministry: [29:27–36:17]
• Spiritual Warfare, Generational Curses: [37:30–38:19]; [51:44–56:50]
• Listener Testimony—Suffering & Faith: [71:47–75:14]
• Alien/Nephilim Deception: [84:49–95:27]
• Church Community in Coffee Shop: [47:51–50:32]
• Falling Out & Forgiveness: [55:05–56:50]
• Facing End Times/Grand Convergence: [104:25–107:52]
• Great Commission, Encouragement: [109:41–End]

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Tone & Closing Thoughts

The episode is bold, fast-paced, and mixes gallows humor with gravitas and deep care for both truth and Christian love. The hosts’ self-reflective approach—willing to call out hate, admit failings, forgive rivals, and demand integrity in both investigation and faith—underscores the broader message: don't be consumed by the chaos, deception, or villainy of the age, but anchor yourself in Christ, truth, and joyful hope, even when the world seems mad.

Final Call:
"Get in where you fit in and try to do the best you can… spread the light of Christ. Whether that’s through comedy, at the police force, driving a cab… become all things to all men." – Guest/Co-host (110:24)

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Stay curious. Stay dangerous.

Transcript

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[Guest or Co-host]

But yeah, I met him in Florida. Like, he was mutual friends with somebody that we knew. We were down there hanging out with family and stuff. And they invited him over, him and his wife and children. But yeah, I met him, dude, and. And like, I'm gonna say, I. I don't like to speak negatively of anybody ever. You guys know me. I mean, even, whatever, but like, I couldn't jive with like, how much this dude is like, ravagely. I know, anti Jew. And look, I get it. There's things about the. Some of the Jews that are crazy. But people that literally are on like, you know, 400 pounds sitting on their chair. These people are complaining about the freaking Jews. But they, you know, it's like nobody. I don't know, it's just wasting. They're literally wasting their own life buying their stuff, all this horrible things for their body, and they're going to blame the Jews.

[John Pounders]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

But they can't take personal responsibility. So I think it's like a cop out. Half the time.

[John Pounders]

This is a. That's an Owen Benjamin point. You ever spoken to that guy, Owen Benjamin?

[Guest or Co-host]

I haven't. I've heard. I actually met him, but not other than shaking his hand. It was at a flat earth conference.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Nice.

[Guest or Co-host]

Many years ago. But, like, I didn't even know who he was at the time. And then now I'm seeing him everywhere. I'm like, oh, that's that guy. The comedian guy. The. The guy that was married to Christina Ricci or something like that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

The guy that dated 17ft tall.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, they. They. I don't know if they were married. I think they dated. But yeah, he's. He's a hu. Possibly a nephilim.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Possibly a nephilim. Well, no, actually, there would be a disagreement there. Dustin Emos would say, well, actually, if he. If he is. I think he's Jewish, right? Or something like that.

[John Pounders]

That's a joke.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

He.

[John Pounders]

Yo, he walked in my house and he had to, like, duck through the door frame. This dude's.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's crazy.

[John Pounders]

Humongous.

[Guest or Co-host]

But already. Is he like, six foot eight? Something like that?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Something like.

[John Pounders]

Something like that. He's huge.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

He's.

[John Pounders]

He's, like, barely put together. He's.

[Guest or Co-host]

No.

[John Pounders]

So one of his things, which is. Is true because he's. He's one of those early guys that was talking about the Jews. Got canceled for it years and years and years ago. I mean, to the point where. Are you aware of the event that we threw and we got kicked out of an entire town because of that?

[Guest or Co-host]

No, dude, tell me about that.

[John Pounders]

I will tell you about that. Tell me about that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well, wait, let's. Let's first tackle this. This. This concept, that John thing, too.

[Guest or Co-host]

I want to. I want to say something because I already know somebody's will be like, look at that girly cup. Listen, I have five kids. I'm lucky to have a cup right now.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So get off.

[Guest or Co-host]

All right, just before anybody says anything. Okay, Go ahead.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So. So Pounders touched on something that is a principle of Owens. And then we'll circle back around to this thing.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. The principle would be to kill the Jew in your own heart. And it's so, like, it's. Obviously, he's working in comedy, so it's very funny.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Like, what he's talking about is dealing with your own sin.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. You're presented that like, all right, here's the pornography, here's the food, here's the lies.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah. If you're truly set on the idea that they own all these industries, which

[John Pounders]

they do, that's the crazy. This is the juxtaposition that you're constantly putting. Cause you're like, damn, you scratch deep enough and you look at the OnlyFans creator that just died of, like, turbo cancer or whatever. And I was like, yeah, from the tribe. So, yeah, I get what you're saying. I hear you. But we got to be really careful.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And where's your agency?

[John Pounders]

Also, where is your agency?

[Guest or Co-host]

We allowed it, though. Like, we literally allowed it by buying their stuff. Like, nobody has to stuff their mouth full of McDonald's. Nobody has to sit there and look at porn and masturbate all day. Nobody has to do that stuff. Like, they do it on their own. They're literally just feeding people's own problems. Yes, they're doing that and they're making money off of it. But we're the stupid ones doing it. You know, we all have free will.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Amen.

[Guest or Co-host]

So, like, I get that. I get that. And like, I mean, at one time, you have people at the top, the British people, right? They controlled almost all of the world through colonialism. And now you have people that they didn't waste their time on freaking football games and staring at on TV and, pardon my French, people who are watching. I usually don't say it, but it irritates me because we've wasted our time worrying about all these, like, stuff on the sidelines while they were, like, grinding, trying to get behind the laws, get behind everything. So, like, they rightfully got to that place. I'm not saying I like it. Not saying what they're doing is good, but what are you going to do about it?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

That's the thing that history.

[Guest or Co-host]

Has it ever been good to blame somebody else for your own problems? When has it ever been good?

[John Pounders]

That's true, too. But a little counter argument to that. I will say, like, people will say, well, well, Jews are disproportionately smarter, have a higher iq. And I'm like, no, they just created a monopoly in, like, vices, which I own. I own two businesses now. Now three businesses. And my businesses are always like, so we do a podcast. This is a business. I'm bringing you the truth as I see it. And I'm also trying to present. Jesus Christ. Although we dabble in comedy, but I'm very straightforward what I'm doing.

[Guest or Co-host]

Hilarious, by the way. Like, I can find myself chuckling on your, like, ex, like, half the time. I'm like, oh, thank you. Our ex is a terrible lobster up to today.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's a terrible representation of humanity.

[John Pounders]

So I'm doing that And I also, I create T shirts. Right. And the business is I do the drawings, I do the artwork, I present it to you, and it's your choice to buy. I'm not going to force it on you. And I'm also not going to use your carnal nature to manipulate or like, like, you know, springboard off of so that I can gain. And a lot of these things that they're into, like, if I'm going to dabble in pornography, that means that I am using your carnal nature desires the flesh, your flesh that is irresistible in most. To most people, unless you're a eunuch or, you know, like a monk.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Right.

[John Pounders]

Most people still desire these things. And that's why we have marriage. And that's why God created. Because it's a beautiful thing, but it's dishonest. It's like using an addiction. You're selling a drug. Like a drug dealer is not an entrepreneur.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Sure.

[John Pounders]

You're. You're selling something that you're getting your customer, client addicted to, and then they come back and it's for their, you know, to their detriment. That's disgusting.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

But this is where the, the argument goes south is, you know, if you talk to Dustin Nemos, which. We've had him on the show a number of times, it's interesting because he's very upset with us just for not inviting him back on. It's just. I don't want to hear the same thing over and over again.

[Guest or Co-host]

The whole get your channel banned either.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I'm not even worried about that. Perfectly, to be perfectly honest, because we've kind of made a career out of saying the things that a lot of people are too afraid to say. But when you say over and over

[Guest or Co-host]

again, comedy, though, you do it with comedy.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yes. He does it with, like, malice. Yeah, There's. There's a hatred in his heart. The same when we had him on the show. And we're talking about, you know, demons and. And if you look at the Book of Enoch, it says that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. When they. When they died, their spirits didn't go anywhere. They remain here. And these are these spirits that whisper in our ear and tempt us to sin. And so we were having this discussion, and he goes, well, a demon, because just be careful. I know. I'm going to say J just for the audience, because I don't want your channel to get flagged. I'm going to say J. But he goes, because a Nephilim in his Estimation is a J that then makes a demon a dead J.

[John Pounders]

It's like, no.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Now, you got to understand, John, when he says this to me, if you're delivering that as a comedy bit, that's one of the most outlandish and funny things that I've ever heard. So I fall to the side laughing. And when I finally compose myself, he is stone face and he's staring at me like as if this just to say this is not a joke whatsoever. This guy has. So, so the, the problem where you talk about they own the industries and things like that. The reason I think this is a hugely flawed argument on, on Dustin's behalf is because now you're talking about the average. The average Jewish person. You know, the guy who, you know, maybe shops next to you at a supermarket or when he dies, he's gonna become a demon. That. That is the most outlandish thing that I can't. I can't wrap my head around it. And you, as far as I'm concerned, can see the fruits of that theology in him. And it's not just him. I'm just using him as an example. You see people who go down this path and like you said, they blame. They blame Jewish people for all of these things while they're the ones that are engaging with these systems that are detrimental, whether it's the food or the pornography or whatever it is, and they spiral. And what happens is there's a reciprocation, right? Because a lot of people suspect that this is the case. They're the source of all of our woes. And when somebody finally pipes up and says it, they cheer for them. Yes, somebody's finally not afraid to say it while they, in their everyday life are afraid to say it. And they'll get online, they'll find their hero, and then all of a sudden there's this feedback loop your audience captured, right? So you're saying this thing and they're reciprocating. And now you're getting views and you're getting follows and you watch that process, that person descends into madness almost every time that person descends into madness. And I'm not saying, like, people will get upset because, you know, getting upset about the Jews is kind of the flavor of the year. But I think we've sat back for the last two years and we've watched it get orchestrated. We've watched it get orchestrated on places like X. I'm guilty myself of feeding into it when I didn't understand enough. And I could see these conspiracies pointing to this direction. Look, they own the music industry, they own this and that. And I also am a fan of not being afraid to say these things. I would say them, but over time I started to realize, like, wait a second, there's somebody's got their finger on the scale, and particularly on X, they have their fingers on the scale. And there's a sort of a cultural manufacturing of this great big noticing that we're all dealing with now, where conspiracy theories used to be fringe and only a small percentage of the population would be aware of them and they'd be trying to yell them from the rooftops and people would be calling them crazy. Now the bar for entry has been lowered. Everybody is this expert in the history of the Jews. Everybody's an expert in this conspiracy or that conspiracy. I don't think we've gotten smarter. I think somebody's got their finger on the scale and they've been spoon feeding us these things. Especially, you know, in my estimation last

[John Pounders]

two years, we're being allowed to notice and we're being encouraged to notice. In fact, most of these people are being monetized to notice. So at some point, like, I'm, I was, I was the same way. Like where I'm making jokes and I'm, I'm pushing this ball in this direction. And then I get into this conversation with Elon Musk and there's like articles written about me because he, he's, he's boosted something I said and they're calling me, you know, blood libelous, anti Semitic. And it's very confusing at the time, but within the perspective that we've had, like for a year or two, like I'm able to go and look back and go, oh, no. Like, Elon owned this platform and I was a useful idiot pushing a narrative that I guess he picked. He saw it was a funny meme and then, and then just got the bull, kept pushing this in this direction and now it's snowballed. It's, it's almost out of control. And people have to step back and go, okay, what are we being led towards?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

And why are we doing such a thing? Dustin, I don't think has had that perspective. And also, I will say one of my main gripes with him, besides being disrespectful, is if Jews are irredeemable, where does that put the sacrifice of Jesus Christ? Dying on the sins for. Dying on the cross for the sins of humanity.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

Unless we're saying that these people are not humans. I just disagree.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

You're putting Limitations on. Yeah, on God.

[John Pounders]

Extreme limitations. It's really sad to see just because of anger and maybe self control that you don't have.

[Guest or Co-host]

Right? And honestly, when you really look at what we're talking about, when we're talking about the Jews that he's talking about, that's a very small percentage of actual Jews that are controlling things. I mean, look, I know so many Jews that don't control nothing. They don't control nothing, bro. Like, they, they are just people that just walk around and live their life just like an average dummy American, right? They're just people. And there's people in the Middle east that are Jewish, but they're not. They're nothing like that. So that's like saying, I don't like President Trump or I don't like Biden. So I hate every American. All Americans are evil. Every American. It's not. It's not true.

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[John Pounders]

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[Guest or Co-host]

And here's the thing. Like, if Dustin wouldn't have put a picture of me on your guys post where it said like, oh, yeah, you're on there. I'm gonna say this. Dustin, Dustin, I praying that, you know, the, the. The hate goes away. I. And here's a story. I mean, we were there in Orlando and he. There was a Jewish people. You could tell they're Jewish because they had the little kippos and the children had the little seat seats and everything like that. And he was mean mugging these people. And I'm like, this is a family trying to have a good time at a resort. And he's mean mugging these people. And I'm not, I wasn't backing that man. I was like. And like, I've, you know, there's been. He's, he's Wanted to come on the show and all that. But dude, I can't back that. Like, I understand there are. They need to be chastised. The people that are doing this horrible crap need to be chastised. They need to be punished, period. But look, there, look, the Bible says that there's this, the, the, this people that claim to be Jews, but they're actually Satanists synagogue. Just because they're. And look, they use it as a hiding place because they know all the Zionists are out there pumping. Everything they do, they use it as a hiding place. And then eventually, now everybody is hating them. And you're right when you call out that there ha. There's a movement, an agenda on both sides. You see Islam and Catholicism on one side, the Jews and the Zionists on the other side. And you have this weird dynamic that people are being pulled one way or the other to this. But both sides are bad. I mean, I've been to, I've been to Lebanon. I've been places. And most Lebanese people are great people in Beirut. But when you go where everybody's Muslim, good luck. Good luck. You know, all these people are like, oh, we're going to join forces. Well, what happens when, you know, any other countries join forces? Look at Lebanon used to be 100% Christian. 100%. Now it's 30%. And many Christians have died because there's radical Muslims that come in and just take over their property. This has happened. I've talked to people that live there. My friend George Hussni, he's in his 80s now, but he used to fight for a Christian revolutionist army in, in Lebanon. He. But now he's a Christian. He realizes, like, you know, they need Christian, they need Jesus just as much as anybody else. And he's actually the guy that translated the Bible from the Greek and Hebrew to the Arabic. And so, like millions of Lebanese and people from around that area have come to Christ because of it. But, like, that's the thing to me that I think people are trying to get Christians off track with is like, there is a goal that we have and it isn't to fight each other, it's to win people to Christ or at least show the love of God in some way, shape or form. My goodness, like, are we here to like, squabble with everybody? I mean, everybody's going to be judged, dude. Everybody's going to stand before the throne.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

See, that's the thing is, you know, throughout the Bible, Israel is the recipient of a lot of harsh judgments for their transgressions and God doesn't pull any punches in the things that he calls Israel. And I don't think that, you know, I don't want people to get confused and think that we're not supposed to call out, you know, these crimes and everything. And, And I do think there's a difference between blessing and cursing Israel and the way that the common, you know, maybe sort of Christians.

[John Pounders]

Pastor.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Would.

[Guest or Co-host]

Would claim misinterpreted big time, man. I mean, just read Galatians 3, where it says that those who are in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to his promise. Yeah, there you go.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I don't think that we're. We're called to, you know, bless Israel in the sense of financially and their government and their military operations and, and things that are happening in the world stage. But when I think about blessing Israel, I think, yeah, I pray that they come to the realization that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God, is the Messiah, that they're not waiting for their moshiach, you know, that we're going to experience the return of Christ. I pray that they stop engaging in these wars and all of these things come out of sin. Right. And to curse Israel, I think, is a whole different bag. It's, it's, you know, saying things like it should be maybe destroyed or, or

[John Pounders]

this and that, or actually cursing them like, you know, what, what. Whatever witchcraft is, which I think me and David have been the victim of at some point in our lives. So it's like, that's serious stuff, man. Like, you're. You're affecting people's lives.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

These are spiritual things.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, spiritual things. Don't. Don't do that. But then there's also something to be said about order, because God. God is the God of order, and he keeps things separated. He keeps lines delineated and he keeps this perfect order. So when we're talking about Christianity and we're talking about Jews and Judaism and even Muslims, the incorrect answer is like, what the Catholic Church is doing right now. They're in the news and they're kind of saying like, these are my brothers. And I'm like, these guys are in actually direct opposition to you.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

Does that mean that we have to be openly murdering them? I don't know. I hope not. I hope that the time is not yet. I think it will probably come to that because people just continue to spiral. But there also has to be, like, a very strict line drawn. So I'll have, like, we have Beck lover on. Beck lover is. I like him man, very cool, dude. Got my phone number. Solid dude. Yeah, he's from where I'm from. So, like, I, like, I get it. But as far as the religion thing goes, there is no reconciliation in the dialogue there. It's like you believe this thing and I believe this thing, and these things are going to remain separate. You're not going to affect my way of thinking because I understand what the truth is. You think you understand what the truth is as well. But we can't start mixing these things because that leads towards this idea of this one world religion, and obviously that's Antichrist and God is against that. God is talking about strict order. So we have to be men and human beings and smart enough to say, okay, let's just, let's just put this over here and we'll put this over there. These things don't need to mix. You know, you could stay in the Middle east, do your thing over there, stay in Israel, whatever you're going to do, do your thing over there. I don't like it. As a matter of fact, I don't really even respect it. But that's fine. I don't have to take violence against you, right? Well, not yet. Because again, it just feels like that's where things are going. That's where things are going.

[Guest or Co-host]

Eventually it's going to go there. I, you know, I hope that we don't have to actually get involved in any of that, but, dude, it's going to go there. I mean, the more. Just think about it like this, like Dearborn. Have you guys been to Dearborn yet?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Michigan.

[John Pounders]

Michigan now.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh, oh. This is where they're having this issue where they're praying over the loudspeakers, right? And they have.

[John Pounders]

It's a Muslim over this entire Muslim governor or something.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

What's going on there?

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, I was just there last year. I was at a conference there. And basically, though, it's mostly majority Muslim there, but once you get to that majority, the problem with that is they start to build their own laws, their own judicial systems and everything.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Why wouldn't they? Right?

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, why wouldn't they? Because they overpopulated. They have a lot of children. I mean, I'll tell you a story real quick, but I used to do lawn care and I would sell lawn services. I would go door to door in the neighborhood we were in and do it. And I went to this one that was by a mosque in a city not too far from here. And I went down this really nice fancy neighborhood all the way. And I was knocking on Every door and a woman would answer. They'd have a lot of kids and they'd answer. They'd have the hijab on the, over their head. And I kept going and until I got to the end of the road in the circle and there was another house there and I went to the door there and there was a man there and I sold every house on that street because he owned every single one of them. Every single one of them women had his children and the government was paying for every single one of those children because they would say that they didn't know the father. And so they were making like this is like the population. They're populating everything like, like this, using our tax dollars to do it. And so it's not going to be long before they're the majority anyway. So who's going to fight anymore? It's going to be like, okay, they're the majority. What can we do? So that's the problem with our democracy in general. But you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of issues, you know, with everything going on in the world. There's no doubt, man. But I, you know, when I look at like, how can we handle this? I really like your guys approach on some things because you have a comedy outlook on things and you're. And you're able to look at things through a light of almost light heartedness even when things are seem to be very dark. And I think that that's really a key in all of this is being able to have peace and being able to like see things maybe from an angle that other people aren't seeing it. And the comedy style, man, it's great. That's because that gets people to think when they maybe would shut you off like right away, you know.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, I try not to be in fear at all. Somebody, there was a quote written on the whiteboard back here. We have like a Christian library that's right behind our studio. And somebody wrote down fear is faith and evil. Which I thought was really insightful. And you know, you pair that with this idea that God gives us a spirit of peace and of sound mind. I don't think that it ever makes sense to be afraid. And I think the problem is when you look at these things, comedy really helps to not be afraid. Because when you look at these things for too long, even just going back to like let's say Dustin's line of thinking where it's all about the Jews, it's all about the Jews. It's all about the Jews, like, where does that lead you? Where does that lead you? Because now you're the oppressed. There's a victimhood mentality in there. I don't agree with the victimhood mentality. Right. These are your oppressors. They create all your woes. And it doesn't matter if it's them or if it's, you know, some organization. If you think it's the American government, if you think it's this or that or, you know, Israel, or if you think it's the Muslims, our God has already won, right? And God tells us repeatedly throughout the Bible to not be discouraged, to not fear. We're told that, you know, people say anecdotally, it's like 365 times throughout the Bible it says fear not. I don't know if that's accurate, but I know it says it a lot. We're commanded to not have fear, to not be discouraged, and specifically told that God gives us a spirit of peace and of sound mind. So if you are very rigid in your thinking and you're only looking at this as, you know, a nuts and bolts problem for you to solve, I don't think that we're called to solve the world's problems. That never occurs to me throughout Scripture is that one day we're going to band together and overthrow the forces of darkness. That's not us, right? Jesus Christ has already come and he's already wiped this slate clean. He's paid the debt. It's been check mark or checkmate rather, all those thousands of years ago. We're not called to do that. And I think the problem is when you get hunkered down in these ideas, whether they're political or otherwise, you feel that there needs to be some sort of activism and you need to go out. This is kind of the problem too. You know, not to harp on this, but when you talk to Dustin, he goes to Obadiah 18, which talks about, I had it pulled up here for a second, prophesies that the total destruction of Edom, the House of Esau, by a restored Israel. And he thinks that this, the House of Edom, or I'm sorry, the House of Esau is, is the modern day Jews that we're, you know, that we see on the world stage right now. So he believes that Obadiah 18 is the prophecy that means that they're all going to be totally destroyed. And, and so if you really talk to him, and we've had this discussion on our own show, man, you have this discussion with him and it seems like he's like, yeah, that's where this is going. And this is what I'm positioning myself for. It's like. I don't know. I think that to me, is the. Is the spirit of fear. It's a strange thing to work yourself into a position where you want some sort of conflict. You want the total destruction of a people. Even if you believe that that's what prophecy, you know, says is going to unfold, that's not. I pray that that doesn't happen. If that's God's will, then so be it. That doesn't mean that I want that. And also, I think there's a crazy idea, too. We're here in the West. We're so detached from physical violence and. And war and all these horrifying things. It's a laughable thing, in my estimation, to want that. You know what I mean? Like, I've spent a long time. I've been a martial artist for the better part of a decade. I haven't been, you know, back to the gym now, and I guess what's like eight months or something.

[Guest or Co-host]

But what kind of martial art you do?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Muay Thai and boxing, primarily. Although I've done a fair bit of jiu jitsu and a little bit of wrestling. But really, really, the striking sports are my favorite. But the point is, it's like once you have that. Once you have that. That altercation with people, you realize, like, this isn't the thing that this fantasy in my mind, has whipped it up to be. This is brutal, and. And the average person isn't equipped for this sort of thing. Never mind when you start introducing weapons, guns and military and everything, like, you don't want this. You want peace for as long as there can be peace. And to be any person, especially here in America, who's wishing for this sort of thing, I just think that that's where all this leads you, and the comedy really comes in, you know, I think first and foremost, to kind of take the piss out of yourself, to go, like, have a reality check, dude. You'd get rolled over by the first tank that entered your city, and it would be a wrap. You'd be praying and wishing for this thing. Here's my time. Finally. Obadiah 18 we're gonna do. And you'd get squashed, and it would be the end of it. It would be somebody else's problem. It wouldn't be your problem anymore. And I think a lot of it, like, you can't have this. This sense of humor and still Think highly of yourself.

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[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And, you know, that's what we do on this show where it's like, how

[John Pounders]

do you read the Bible and not, like, laugh?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Like, there's a lot of funny stuff in there.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. This is something that we've touched on with a couple other shows. And most of the time, when I bring it up, people, I'm like, people go, what are you talk. Like, how dare you? You know, my mom was upset with me. My mom. And she's like, what's so funny about the Bible? Because I was explaining the nature of what Bohemian Grove is and what we're gonna do, a live Bible study. And I was like, it's gonna be comedy and it's gonna be a good time. And she's, how. How are you gonna laugh? What's so funny about that? And she said, what part of the Bible is funny to you? And I just said the crucifixion. Because it's like a bombastic thing, right? It's like a punch in the face. And she's like, no, no, no. Wants to react right away. And I was like, well, number one, that's funny because I made you react. So now I'm trolling you. And this is what I do professionally. But number two is like, yeah, yeah, read it. Read into this thing. And it's. It's a. It's a tragedy. But a lot of the times, like these tragedies are riddled with. There are, like, aspects of comedy in it. When you. When you look at it and you go, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like, wow, what a beautiful story. How could you not smile and laugh? And one of the parts is, you know, Jesus gives up his life willingly, doesn't die. And the first thing he does is he goes to his. His buddies, right? His disciples. And he meets them and he shows. No, no, the first thing he does is he goes right to hell. And he starts to bear witness to the people and the well, specifically the spirits in hell. And he tells them the good news. He tells them the gospel. He tells them how they messed up. And I was like, oh, he's not preaching their salvation. They're there. There's nothing that he can do about this. I think this is first Peter, chapter three, verse 18, around there, where he goes right to hell. And he is. I forget the exact words used in the King James, but he is proclaiming to them, I believe these spirits. And then it goes on to talk about these spirits. These are the spirits before the flood. So we're talking about evil spirits and Nephilim, evil human people that deserve to be in hell. And why is this funny, John? Well, the first thing Jesus did when he came off the cross was talk shit to his enemies because he won. And it's like, that's what. I play a lot of sports. And you better believe if you. If you throw a ball down, down the middle and I hit a line drive off of you, and now I'm standing on second base. I'm talking shit to you the entire time. And then when I get into the dugout, I'm still doing the same thing. That's just who I am. And I'm reading, so I'm like, that's what he. God's funny. God's a real dude. Genesis, the first. First book of the Bible, first verse. He goes over the face of the deep, the chaotic water. It's one of my favorite things. And when you read the translations in Hebrew, Teom is associated with this, with the feminine. It's the chaotic waters. But it's also.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Also translated as like a creative water.

[Guest or Co-host]

Like in. In. Like in. In the ancient Assyrian. It's like. What do they call it there? The. I can't remember what it's called now, but yeah, you're right. A lot of people don't know that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

By the way, one of them is Tiamat. It's associated with a tiamite.

[John Pounders]

It's like a dragon. It's a. It's a chaos dragon of that. That's water. But the water symbolizes creation and it symbolizes just unknowing. And God, it says God goes over the face of the water. So, like, you imagine God and he floats over and he just goes, calm down. And that's it. That's how this. That's how the Bible Starts.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Which is a hilarious thing to tell a feminine.

[John Pounders]

Yes. This masculine entity goes to the feminine entity, and he goes, I'm gonna need you to calm down. And then it does. And it's exactly. See, how could you not read this right off the bat and be like,

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

what is it, Daniel? This. One of my favorite ones is Daniel, where we're talking about Jezebel and King Ahab and.

[John Pounders]

Oh, no, this is. That's Elijah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

That's Elijah. When. When King Ahab goes to. That the farmer that owns the. The olive vineyard, and he wants the vineyard for himself. And the farmer basically explains like, no, this is in my family for generations. And. And he offers him a lot in exchange for it. And the guy says no. And he goes back, and the way that it's described is like, you know, she finds him basically sad and laying down. Like, he's laying down, and he's depressed that he can't get this. And then she basically says, I'm gonna go and do it for you. And, you know, it ends horribly and tragically for the. The vineyard owner. But it's just such a. There's a dynamic of a dude. There's that. That exists today in 2026. Like, this guy who can't get what he wants, and he's like this weak, masculine character. And then there's this strong, feminine girl boss character that. That goes and does the thing for him, and she's a tyrant.

[John Pounders]

This is an ancient book, and they're nailing the archetypes, and that's all that

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

comedy that still exists today.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. Comedy is just exposing this to you and saying, hey, look at. Look at this, look at that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Nothing new under the sun.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. Yeah. So I read this stuff, and I'm like, this brings me great joy.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah. And also just the idea that they would have crucified Christ and then ended up screwing themselves. Like, that's a kind of a very funny concept where they think they have the upper hand. If you were to write, like, a comedy movie or something like that, and it wouldn't be as sad and tragic and horrifying, but just those elements of an enemy thinking they have the upper hand and then doing the thing, literally shooting themselves in the foot, fulfilling prophecy that would lead to their downfall is if you believe that our God is the one who has total victory. Very funny. Then it's very funny because these things that we look at as demonic and satanic and all powerful, incredibly weak, and already have lost.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, dude. I mean, there's one of these really fun. I don't know, you guys have probably seen this, this, this thing that. It's like a real. Some dude does and he points out these things that are in the Bible that are kind of hilarious. Like in, in John, the book of John where he, he's like the two apostles or disciples ran to the tomb and John got there first and then the, then, and then he's like, then the next verse is like, John, the one whom Jesus loved. Guys, like, can't you let me have anything, bro? Like, come on, you beat me there. We got there at the same time, you know, like kind of arguing about it and they're. How they're writing. Yeah, it is funny, man. Some of the things are. And you like the other day I was reading it and I got a chuckle because Jesus is like this person who's demon possessed is like come up chatter and he's like, shut up. He's like shut up and chill.

[John Pounders]

Right?

[Guest or Co-host]

You know, just like, you know, it's, it's amazing, you know, when you really think about in modern day terms what the Bible is saying. Because we get used to reading it, like you said, in this archaic way that doesn't, you know, we're these thous and those and whatever and we're, we're trying to look at it with only solemn eyes, but there it's telling a story. It is comedic. God has a sense of humor. I mean, look at half the people in the world today if he didn't have a sense of humor, bro. Like, I don't know what he's doing, but there's some weirdos out there. No doubt that, that, that just like you guys are hilarious. Dude, no offense to calling you weirdos, but I never would have thought of any of that stuff that way, so.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well, God is funny, right? We always talk about the names thing. It's like when he names Bernie Madoff that name and then Bernie Madoff with everybody's money. Like there's a, there's something there and that, that's like a never ending. Like there are very interesting characters that have very particular names throughout history that seem to apply.

[John Pounders]

I think James Oliphantis.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So that's a, that's.

[John Pounders]

I don't know if we can even say this on the show, but you know, you know, that is right.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh yeah, dude. I swear that's what got me like I made a viral video about that in 2016 and I guess what got me demonetized on now you see tv.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Probably like forever, you know, I'm saying I'll Never. I can never get monetized on YouTV ever again because of that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I feel bad because we actually have a reel about that that's going viral right now. And I think you were just way too early, John. You're way too early.

[Guest or Co-host]

Way too early.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

But his name. Yes, his name means I love children. That's what his name means in French. It's like, jame ale fantes or something.

[John Pounders]

Again, very tragic.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Horrifying. Horrifying.

[John Pounders]

If you're broken like me, you look at it and you go, God's hilarious.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Are you kidding me? That. That guy's name is. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.

[Guest or Co-host]

It's a genetic thing, bro. It must be genetics.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It has to be.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

They have to tell you somewhere down

[Guest or Co-host]

the line, his ancestors were all like that, and they just keep passing it down. Maybe it's.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Maybe that's his generational curse, you know what I mean? This generational ini. And that's something that I've really come to terms with. We were supposed to have a show today with a lady named Laura Baker. We had some Internet issues. We had to unfortunately pull the whole thing. But she's a Deliverance minister and we've talked to her a number of times about the topic of generational iniquity. And I think a lot of people. Yeah, maybe in this particular case, James Elephantis is suffering this iniquity that could be rectified because the good news is the debt has been paid. And through the blood of Christ, you can break those bonds. You don't need to be.

[John Pounders]

Even if you're Jewish?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Even if you're Jewish. Well, you know, unless you're a couple. People don't think that, but.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, there's a lot of messianic Jews out there that are.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, there are.

[Guest or Co-host]

Just like us, bro. Like, there's. There's no. I don't know. I don't understand that. It's so crazy. But that's like you were telling me something before. Just. Just for a second, you were going to tell me about how you got kicked out of a town.

[John Pounders]

Oh, boy.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

In the back of my head. So I got to hear that before

[John Pounders]

going, well, it's Owen Benjamin's fault. Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

First and foremost, Owen Benjamin's fault.

[John Pounders]

We did this event here. I don't know if you could see that. That poster. So we had Sam Tripoli and Owen Benjamin and Shane Cashman was the mc, and we had a lot of Jake Shields showed up. Elijah Schaefer. God rest his soul showed up. A lot of people came, and that's. That was Bohemian Grove two, I believe.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

No, that was three. It says. Yeah, that was number three.

[John Pounders]

I don't know.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And who's keeping track?

[John Pounders]

So we have a theater booked in Leesburg, a town that's near where we're at.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Awesome little theater, by the way. Like a real traditional. When you think of, like, a theater, like you're going to watch a play, like it was.

[John Pounders]

It was like that great theater. It's about two weeks out before the performance, and we're there taking measurements. We have, like, you know, doing all the signs and all this stuff. And the theater owner just comes up to me and he says, hey, got to talk to you. And I'm like, this is not good. Like, you could tell.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. So Dave's on the stage with our ex partner, and they're still doing the thing. And the guy goes, hey, I got some messages about Owen Benjamin. And he shows me an adl article.

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[John Pounders]

early book with VRBox about things that he was saying, I don't know, eight years ago. Yeah. And I was like. Yeah, I was like. I was. What I wanted to say was like, yeah, that's kind of why I'm a fan of him, because of the things that he's saying. It was brave and it was funny.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

And then the guy goes, well, if he's gonna be here, then you guys can't. If we can't do this show here.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Unless you get rid of him, basically.

[John Pounders]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And keep in mind, the problem with Owen is that he has people that are dedicated to going ahead of wherever he's going to do things and calling and getting him canceled. He's been demonetized. I mean, this is a guy that had to basically buy a Plot of

[John Pounders]

land canceled by Airbnb.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

Impressive.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

In order to do his events, he has to buy his own land, and he's got to do this on a place that he's built with his own hands, along with the aid of the people that support him. And so, yeah, he's. You know, people talk about being canceled. That's a guy that's been canceled.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. But we were presented with the opportunity, because I could have said right then and there, yeah, you know what? Cause I have 300 people coming from all around the world to this theater, and everything is set up, and, you know, you know what it takes to pull off an event. You have your strength con. It's stressful. And when you have your venue tied down, the last thing you want to do is within two weeks, find a new one and get everything set up and have to inform the people while still being canceled. Like, we're still being canceled as we can.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I just say, though, yeah. Before we go any further with the story, this is where that fear thing comes into play. I think there really is only two options in all things. It can be boiled down to fear versus faith. We're called to have faith, or you can have fear, which is faith and evil. Right. Like we said earlier, I just want to say a little pat on our own backs because we walked out of that. You know what it's like, John, Two weeks before the event, all the tickets are sold, all the. The hotels are booked, the tickets to the planes are booked, all this stuff. We walked out of that place with a smile on our faces. Like, I. I knew that not only was this going to work out, but it was going to be good for us, you know, to have that kind of publicity.

[John Pounders]

There is a thing that's in your head, and I don't know if you've been canceled by.

[Guest or Co-host]

In 2020, we had two events that were completely sold out that I had to refund everything, like, right before, like, literally canceled right before our events, dude. One in Georgia and one in Kentucky. It was. It was like $100,000 hit.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh, yeah. That's brutal, dude.

[John Pounders]

It's like, besides the money, too, there is a. A psychological effect that I think most people that will listen to this probably won't understand because, you know, they're not going to be doing a thing like this.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Disheartening is. Is not quite enough.

[John Pounders]

No, what it is is like, I. I'm left to go a hole for,

[Guest or Co-host]

like, three years road. I basically went into a hole for three. Three years. I didn't do shows with anybody. I was like, forget it, dude. I'm just gonna do my show every week and forget the rest of the world. I was pissed. Like, to be honest with you, I believe you.

[John Pounders]

That's. That's something. Like, that's a temptation as well. And. But, like, when. When you're canceled by. By a group or a bunch of people, like, because they wrote articles about us and they were saying this and that, like, we're, you know, horrible, and they wanted us to react in a different way. But realistically, what I told the theater on was, okay, thank you, and I walked out and I never spoke to him again, and we just found a new spot. But there is that thing in the back of your head that goes like, you're a bad person. Right. Like, all these people hate you.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

So you must be right. Look at. Look at the evidence of, like, well, you got kicked.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Why would it be happening if you weren't?

[John Pounders]

Yeah. Why. Why would it? And. And then you're left to battle with that. That happens at night, right? You know, that's like when you're alone in your thoughts and you're like, damn, am I, like, really a bad person? And then you go, yes, I'm a sinner, but am I this bad? And I'm like, no, no, no. This was disproportionate. This is a. This is an ideological attack. We have to move forward in a different way. And it's like, it's disorienting. And I think, you know, we had a third partner that was helping us with the event. And like he said, there was this idea of fear versus fear not or faith. And I think he fell into the fear thing and kind of like spiraled out on us a little bit, quit the event. And it was. It was like we went our separate

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

ways permanently after that.

[John Pounders]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

But I was like, hey, you know, within a day or two, I had a new venue.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Less than 24 hours.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, we had everything settled. And, you know, it's just going to take work, but, like, fear not, because there's still things to do. You. You still have life. You have, you know, breath in your lungs and you're able to walk around. You can do whatever you need to do. Yeah. So. But yeah, it was unfortunate that happened and we were out of that entire time. But it's a fun story to tell because we were going to do an event in that theater semi, annually, or, maybe, I don't know, biannual, however many times that we could and we wanted. Because it was Looking like a good. You know, have like, a good rapport with the guy that fell through fantastically across the street. We were going to open up a podcast studio above a coffee shop. We knew the owner and we. Looking at the space and, like, we were just waiting for construction to be finished, realistically. So all of our. All of our ducks were in a row to do this thing here, and it fell through fantastically. Like, not only the guy that we were doing the podcast with, just. He's gone. This theater is gone. This entire town is, like, nothing to do here anymore. So we're left, like, to pick up the pieces we pulled off the show. The people loved it anyway.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It was actually. It was really special. I think it was really special. It was intense because there was a lot of resentment for getting canceled in a full town. And because we do so much comedy, it was very offensive. But it was unbelievable to stand there and see the people that had come from Costa Rica, Canada. There was somebody from the Netherlands, I think there was. People came from all over the place to have this experience, and it was really special. Was really beautiful that. That God allowed us to have that. And. And then after that, it was like the smoke settled and. And we just kind of got back into the routine of just doing the show. Kind of similar to what you talked about, John, where it's like, you almost don't want to do anything.

[John Pounders]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's like, I'm just gonna do the show, man. Because it was such a. It was a heartache. We kept a good face on through the whole thing, but, man, you want to talk about a sigh of relief when it was over? It was almost. I couldn't really quantify what we had pulled off.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. Also, we pulled off something fantastic, but on the other side of that, lost two or three friendships. Good friendships that I thought. And it's just like, what happened? Super disorienting. We lost a spot that was like. We were really excited about taking over this town. Imagine a podcast studio on top of a coffee shop. So we invite John Pounders down, and we have coffee with you at the shop, and then you come up to the studio and we record. It's like, this is a really cool thing. And we're like, yeah, we were led here, but it all falls apart. And so what?

[Guest or Co-host]

So hold on just a second. So you're telling me you're not above a coffee house? Because I was thinking about visiting now. Now you're telling me you're not in above.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well, we could still.

[John Pounders]

The good news, not above A coffee shop?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

No. Well, actually, John, if you visit, the good news is you can have coffee. Because somehow, only a few months down the line, we are in NDS Studios, which is the back of a coffee shop.

[John Pounders]

Yep.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So you walk in through the front doors and you have a coffee shop. You open another door and it's NDS Studios and a Christian library. And I'm telling you, man, we could not have pulled that off. That was not us.

[John Pounders]

It doesn't make any sense. Like, I walked in here one day, my wife wanted some coffee, so I walked in and the sign outside just says coffee shop. And it's actually right in front of a Dunkin Donuts, which is horrific. I don't even know how this is terrible for business. But he. Yeah, he does well here. And I had my shirt on. Nephilim Death squad. He asked me, what do I know? What do you know about the Nephilim? This kind of thing, you know? And I started talking to him. We're chatting it up quick. We become quick friends, and he's like, hey, open up a. I want you to open up a podcast studio in this coffee shop. And I was like, that's retarded. And I told him no. I told him no a bunch of times. And then finally I was like, you know what? I think this might, like. I think we could actually make this work.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, dude. Work to the extent that this past Monday, we're doing live Bible studies out because he does a show that, you know, we helped him develop. To develop. And it's. It's just. It's just Bible studies. It's called Straight Bible. That's literally what the show is. He's fantastic at it. Oh, I have it. Yeah, right over here. He's fantastic at it.

[John Pounders]

He.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

He spends so much time in the Word and he has. He does a remarkable job of unpacking it for the average person. And, you know, we go to church sometimes I go to church and I go, man, it's just like all this music and all this tithing and then like just a small section for scripture. And it feels. It's just not enough. Right. The other day we're here and there's a hundred people in this coffee shop, and he's just reading the Bible, cross referencing, cross referencing from one book to another book. And it's all about, you know, the wise and the foolish, and the difference is the wise.

[John Pounders]

Matthew 24.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It was Matthew, it was Timothy, it was Mark, it was Revelation. There was so many instances, but it was about how the wise are Building a foundation that is on Jesus Christ. And they're digging deep in their foundation. And. And that the foolish aren't doing that. And so what they build withers and falls apart. And I'm producing and tops. Producing. And, you know, we've got TVs here, so we're bringing the scripture up for the audience that's here, and we're also streaming it online. And then when it's over, he does about an hour of this. And then when it's over, he goes break up into groups, man, and, like, discuss this. Discuss what this means. And he hands out these packets that have some topics, like, here. Here's some things you might think about when it comes to the scripture. And I'm going, man, like, this is church. You know that. That's. That's what it was. It's like we're sitting here and we're diving deep for over an hour on the word of God. There's no tithing. There's no band that's playing. There's no missions. There's no. There's not even any anecdotes. There's no clowns. We had clowns at our church the other day. There's not even any anecdotes.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, where. He's making fun of that pastor.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Honestly, he crushed it.

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[John Pounders]

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[Guest or Co-host]

yeah, I mean, that's. It looks that ridiculous for real. You didn't even. You didn't have to do the video. Just show people what they're doing. It's just so stupid.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It is. It's brutal. But now it's. It's like we're building this thing where we. Before we. We had one foot much deeper rooted in comedy. After that whole event fell apart, we moved towards God a lot more because there were things that happened after that. I had, like, these dreams. You know, one of them in particular was, you know, during a falling out. You imagine there's. There's a lot of contention that could be had there, and there's a lot of fighting and things like that. And. And I wanted to, you know, because I felt like I was vindicated in my position and. And they felt like they were vindicated in theirs. I had this dream, man, where I'm on a boat and I'm on these chaotic waters. It's like a. It's like a cruise ship and there's a storm and the waves are crazy and it's dark. And I have in front of me this. In the dream, it's a. It's a vampire, an ancient vampire. This is what I know about it. It's an ancient vampire. Kind of a cool guy. He's. He's an older guy. He's well dressed. He has, like, a wife beater on, and it's tucked in into his slacks. And you could tell, like, he took it off, but he was really well dressed and he's. He's nice. Not a scary guy by any means. But I still know that he's an ancient vampire. And around him there are all these different people that are afflicted by different things. And one of them that stuck out the most to me was this woman who was, you know, like a floozy. She's very loose, she's very sexual, and she's just in the background. I just noticed these characters, and we're having a conversation, me and this guy. And what I've understood about these people is that they share in his spirit, in his affliction. And they are all going to the same place where he's going, and that is into this water, into this chaotic abyss. They're going in there, and there's even a moment where, like, he's looking over the edge. I can remember him looking over the edge, looking into the water. And he is. He feels a little bad, but he's still doing it anyway. It was interesting. Like, it was this insight to his character. He feels a little bad, but he's still doing it anyway. But mostly he's upset that I won't share in this spirit with him. And so I. I've turned kind of away from him. And these people. There's some people that are falling over the edge of this ship into this water. And he's not trying to convince me. We're just having this conversation. And he's just a little bummed out that I won't share in this spirit with him. And when I. When I woke up, you know, I'm unpacking this to my wife in the car. We're driving somewhere, and I. And I start to realize, like, this vampire, this ancient thing, to me, this was the adversary, this was Satan. And if you share in this spirit, which I had an opportunity to. And what is that spirit? For me, it would have been anger and resentment, right? These, like, corrosive things that eat away at you, that I would end up where all these other people end up. And I don't know, like, you know, people go back and forth, like, oh, I don't know if you go into the lake of fire or any of these things. That dream, to me, was very clear. And, you know, I don't think every dream is super significant, But I think you test the fruits of that. The fruits of that were, like, me apologizing. I apologize to these people that we had a falling out with. And I didn't.

[John Pounders]

I will say the falling out had nothing to do with, like, I was mad. I was like, why are you apologizing? These guys, like, they were clearly wrong, you know? And he's like, no, I gotta apologize. And I didn't get it either. I was like, just like, let's do what we got to do. You know what I mean?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It was something else. It's like the. You know, blessed are the peacemakers. Like, I wasn't saying. I even said to them, like, oh,

[John Pounders]

we should tell them who we made peace with after this.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I wasn't saying I was wrong. I was just saying I am sorry for all of this. I don't want this. I don't want this animosity. I don't want this resentment. I don't want this. This anger that turns into hatred. Yeah, right. Because that's not. That's not what we're supposed to do here. And that moment, for me, was like a big pivot. So, like I said, we had one foot deeply rooted in comedy. I think we're much more deeply rooted in Christ now. And. And this thing that we've built here, which, like, we've built is a stretch, it just feels like God wanted us to build it here. And I don't think you end up with a packed house of people just mulling over the the word of God. Because it's what we wanted to do. In fact, it's not what we wanted. It's not what we wanted to do. I wanted to say, you know, stay funny and piss people off, and I think I still do a pretty good job of that. But something else has happened entirely. And it really was that moment, man. After that show, after all that, that falling out and, and getting canceled and writing articles about us, it was like, yeah, I mean, we, we stayed who we are, but we started doing work for I. You know, if it's the truth, then I'm honored to be working for the Kingdom of God.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's good, man. That's a, that's a great story, really. I mean, when you think about what this life is. We're all going to surrender. I was talking to a friend of mine, you know, it's like we all have to surrender something at some point. I mean, I used to hold on to my old lifestyle. Like it was just, just, it was everything to me. And I look back and I would realize how, how it was like I was holding on to, to rags, basically. I thought it was something great. But then like, you know, just being able to surrender that and just think about what is it? What is this world all about? What are we here to do? Are we here to just go around and have a good bunch of pleasure? Are we here to go around and, you know, share and pick up our cross and follow Christ and like, that's, that's really hard to do in this world because it's so easy to get caught up in, in everything. Like there's just so many. I mean, I, I don't get on X that often, but when I do, I realize, I see that like there's people that are like the politicians. I don't know what they're doing for a job, but it looks like they're. All they do is sit on Twitter all day or on X all day. Like, I mean, I don't have time to do that. I don't know how they do. Maybe, maybe that's, maybe that is their job. I don't know. But people literally waste their entire life arguing against a power that they can't even comprehend. You know, it's just, I, I love the idea of just being able to be light hearted about it, be in general, because there's really no other way to look at it, dude. I mean, there's, there's so many horrific things that if you hold on to it, you will have hate in your heart. Not only for people, you know, but for people you don't even know, like, you're going to hold hate in your heart. And it's still. That shares in that spirit because there was the longest time I used to be so bitter and pissed off at so many different people. For all the things that have happened over the last few years, it's like, man, if I. I just, you know, what the heck is up with it? Like, how do these people allowed to even walk the face of the earth? I don't get it, you know, But I started realizing I had hate in my heart. But then instead of. You have to allow yourself to understand people in a way. I mean, you have to. Is. You have to literally allow it.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Because nobody will understand otherwise. I mean, you look at people like Bill Gates, for instance, and. And this dude grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. He can't even walk outside with getting pied in the face. Have you guys seen that video?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I think that was like the big turning moment for him.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, that's when he decided he's gonna take on the world, I guess. But, dude, like. Like, he doesn't have to walk the streets. He doesn't know what it's like to live. Like, we've had to live. To him, we're all threats. We're all bugs that need to be destroyed. You know, from his perspective, looking at. He's probably never had to do anything in his life, but then he sees drug addicts on the street and all that, and he may have helped do that, but you look at it from their point of view. They look at us like, you know, swine or like cattle. And. And you can almost understand it when you really look at humanity in a way. Like, you know, if you can put yourself in that thought for a second, it's like you can understand why they look at us animals. I mean, it's hard not to see that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

You know what it is, John? These moments where they. So in everything that we do, if we're doing, like, let's just say conspiracy, and you spend a long time trying to tell people about all these things, you know, that ail them. And then you can even see really obvious displays of it on the world stage where the world will stop and go, huh? It does seem that that's the case, whether it's Epstein or something. And then everybody just kind of goes back into agreeing with it. And you're like, there's a. There's something about human nature that almost is akin to cattle, where we. We are like, Willing to just go with the flow and go with the herd, and it's exhausting to go against it. And, and it's far and few in between who do. But if that's truly the vast majority of people. The vast majority of people are on OnlyFans. The vast majority of people are. I saw something recently where some, some lady got scammed out of $200,000 that she spent on Coachella. And I found myself going, like, don't feel bad about that at all. Don't feel bad about that at all. If that's the slop that you're willing to pay, and you're willing to pay $200,000 of it, and you get effectively scammed and she's on the, on the Internet complaining about it, how am I supposed to feel bad about that? So, so there is like. Yeah. When you say you could almost understand why they look at us that way, like, yeah, I kind of get it.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah. And that, that can help. I think looking at the way people understand things and being able that way you can think about like, okay, well, what can I do in myself that I'm not a part of this?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

This group of people that are nothing but consumers. Nothing but.

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[Guest or Co-host]

Basically just slop eaters, you know, like anything that you throw out, whether it's got glyphosate in it, whether it's got, you know, so much sugar, you're probably going to get diabetes tomorrow no matter what. Like, people just consume and consume. And so, you know, I look at it like that maybe they wouldn't think so little of us if we had an ounce of self respect to where we're not wasting all our time on line watching, you know, porn or wasting our time watching sports or wasting all our time just worrying about the next UFC fight or the next, you know, boxing match or whatever, you know, like, you go to Vegas and you just see it. I don't know if you've been to Vegas in a while. You guys, you guys may have. I think you went, didn't you go recently? I think you guys, I used to.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I used to live out there. Are you gonna. Wait, what are you gonna say?

[Guest or Co-host]

What.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

What is it about the stuff that's on the floors, dude?

[John Pounders]

Everything.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, bro, like, it's.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, it's just, I. Dude, when I lived out there, I lived out there a few years ago and it was a short stint and we came back, but when you walk on the Strip, it was like, it was actually really sad. There are these little Filipino grandmas and they are handing out these cards, flyers. And all the flyers are for escort services, and they're all. They're all nude women. And everybody takes them and drops them on the floor. So the floors of the Strip are covered in images of nude women. And when I say covered, I mean covered in images of nude women. Like, it is. It's a. Like a microcosm of the human condition.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yep.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And it is.

[Guest or Co-host]

Exactly.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's depressing.

[Guest or Co-host]

It is, man. Yeah. I don't know what we can do about it. That's why I think that, you know, Jesus came to kind of show people the way to wake up. Because once you wake up, you don't partake. You're not, you're not going to be like, consumer so much. You're really looking at things a little bit differently. You're starting to see the world. But I think if enough people can understand that they're feeding this beast, it's like they're feeding the bear that's going to bite their throat. You know, they're just continually feeding it, feeding it, and if we can stop feeding it, then the beast is not so strong anymore. And that humbles the beast. You know, in a way, I think, you know, there's. There's things about, you know, you look back at the. You were talking about the Israelite people, Israelite people in the Bible, the Hebrews and the Jews, they would constantly go back to the wicked ways over and over and over again. And. And that's why, like, I don't find a whole lot of hope in trying to fight against it.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host]

Because it's just a generation or two and it'll be back and. But I think that if people can think long term outside of just our human lives, our human bodies, knowing that we are eternal and that we will continue on to the next life, which is much longer than this one, that we're kind of just passing through here, but everything we do here means so much in the whole scheme of things as far as what our next life is going to be like. And I think God allows us this. This weird place. I think it's like part of the design that you get tested. Yeah, because when you stand before God, one day, everybody's going to stand before him. And there's. There's no excuses. You can't just say, well, I didn't get to live, so you don't know if I'm good or evil. Look, bro, this is your life. This is everything you've done. There's no denying what you've done. So we all get that free will, that free chance to come here and either get locked into the system that's destroying us or we get locked into the spirit. And that's really where that dividing line comes. And I know that there's tons of different divisions right now. People, some people fighting this side, fighting that side. But like the Bible says over and over and over again, choose the narrow path. Don't stray to the right, don't stray to the left. Choose the narrow. It says it like 20 times, if not more. And so, yeah, I mean, it's a tough struggle, bro, especially when you're trying to help people. Like, you're doing like we're doing. We're trying to open people's eyes. And it's a struggle not to get locked in. In this world because you just. You want to go. You want to do better. So doing better sometimes means more success, and more success means people coming to try to feed off that, and sometimes they're bad people. There's just so many different things that, yeah, constantly are compiling down on top of us.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's.

[John Pounders]

It's. This is a conversation I was having with our friend Steven of the biblical Hitman.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Shout out to Stephen.

[John Pounders]

Shout out to Stephen.

[Guest or Co-host]

Stephen. Yeah, what's up?

[John Pounders]

Yeah, he. He called me last night and we were just chatting it up and talking about stuff and. And we got into this same exact conversation. And in my. I guess in my heart, I'm a bit of an ideologue. Meaning, like, the reason I do what I'm doing now, the reason I started to do graphic design and how that turned into a T shirt company and a design business and all this crazy stuff is because I kind of wanted to affect change. And that started in the political realm, but then it turned into whatever it is now. And the reason why I wanted to affect change is because I had a young daughter at home at the time. Like, she was. I think maybe my wife was pregnant or she had just been born when I first started this thing about seven, eight years ago. And I, like, I'm Looking back on it and thinking about it just yesterday and now again today as you're saying this, and I'm like, okay, so I'm trying to affect change so that my kids can have a better future going forward. And then I also know, like, because when we're doing the comedy, there's a bit of nihilism in it that kind of makes it fun. Like, the nihilism is kind of hilarious to me because it's a little bit of a black pill to joke about these things. But when you look at and you look at and you see the truth, like you said, generationally, people are going to go back to that golden calf.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

It's because these entities that we are working against are eternal in a way, or at least they have a very long. They don't die in the way we do. We die 70 years, 80 years. And then it's, you know, the next shooter. These guys, they have a long game. So I'm watching this and I'm like, is this a fool's errand that I'm. That I'm constantly after just trying to lean the world towards good just a little bit more? I know that things aren't going to be perfect. The Bible tells us that it'll never be perfect until, you know, the return of Christ and the millennial. And even during the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, things aren't perfect because when you think about it, at the very end, people still rebel. They don't like. They don't like his perfect reign. They rebel, and Satan's army are like that of the sand. And then they get conquered. But it's like, man, you're never going to be happy. This. This enlightenment, this human enlightenment. We will be like gods. That's not. It's such a blatant lie when you just look at the condition of human beings. We could. We can never be. But then the question for me is always, am I wrong for pushing this ball towards the good? Towards the good just a little bit. I've got. I've got skin in the game, you know, And I don't know if end times are tomorrow or if they're going to be in my kid's lifetime or their kids. So I have to try to do this.

[Guest or Co-host]

Call it bearing fruit, man. It's bearing fruit. I definitely think you should be doing that.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, I'm trying. And it's not that I'm struggling with it. Like, I'm not going to fall off of this, but it's like, man is my. Is my orientation. Correct. You know, am I sinning? Am I missing the mark by not aiming at the correct target right now? And I guess that remains to be seen. Although.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well, we have this great commission, right? It's. It's make disciples out of men. I think that's. That's the job. And I think that that's hopefully what we achieve with our show. And we get a lot of people who say a lot of really kind things about how Nephilim Death Squad has helped with their walk, if they. If they either, you know, weren't believers or fell away, that, you know, we've been part of the process of helping them come back. And that encourages me a lot. But I think that there is just that human nature that's described in the Bible, right? The Israelites falling away and then coming back and then falling away. Which, by the way, there's another really hilarious bit of comedy in there. This idea that they could have seen all these miracles. They could have seen the plagues of Egypt. They could have seen the sea being

[John Pounders]

parted, fed by God himself.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And then all of a sudden, you know, Moses goes up to the mountain, and when he comes back down, they're already worshiping. Like, it's horrible. But it's also like, it's funny because I know people.

[John Pounders]

Well, you're dealing in archetypes again, and they're describing exact human nature. And that's, again, that's what good comedy is. You're taking the.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

You're laughing because you're going, of course they would. Yes, of course they would. And that's why it's funny. But I think that that take much

[Guest or Co-host]

suffering for people to forget. Does it?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

No, it doesn't. And people often say that, right? It's like if we lost power and the supply chain for some short order of time, that things would descend into chaos. And I do believe that.

[John Pounders]

You know what? I want to give another shout out to the guy that wrote in today. Trevor.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh, yeah. Trevor Massey.

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[John Pounders]

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[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

But he should be one of our peers right now. But unfortunately, he's not because he's got a daughter with a heart condition in it. Well, we do derailed him in a huge way.

[John Pounders]

We do a segment where we read listener testimony on. They email us and we read it. And a lot of times it's crazy stories or sometimes fun stories, but this guy's story is. It's fun, it's crazy. And I think he gets it. You know, deep down, he really gets what this is. But the story is tragic, man. Yeah, he's talking about his daughter had, you know, heart surgery. She was born with half a heart, very rough life. Ended up having a stroke that caused brain damage to her. And now she is. It's, like, unmanageable to be in the house with her. And he has other kids as well. And him and his wife, they have. You know, in the story he told us, they've talked about suicide, and they've been very honest with each other. And they said, yeah, no, like, privately, I. They both have considered it privately, separately. And he says, you know, it's just not something that's on the table. But it's such a beautiful human emotion to be able to, like, look at. Yes, this is suffering. I am suffering. And yes, this thought does come across my head. And I'm sure a lot of other people that are listening that thought comes across your head. Like, sometimes you're like, what are we even doing here? What am I doing? Sometimes I wake up and I go, what am I doing?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Why don't I worship that calf?

[John Pounders]

Yeah, exactly. But the power is to be able to come outside of yourself and go, yes, this is suffering. Yes, this is miserable. It's constant. But I will not. And his. I will not is because the only reason he gave us was he's like, because God.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Because he has faith in God's plan. He doesn't understand it, but he has faith in it also.

[John Pounders]

To spit in the face of the person, the entity that created you is. It's so profoundly disrespectful, and it's limited.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's childish, you know, in your hubris to think that you can grasp this situation, that you understand and that you've come to the correct conclusion. The correct conclusion is, you know, I'm just gonna opt out or I'm gonna do this horrifying thing or that horrifying thing, or God is. Is unfair and terrible. And it's like, you, who. I always go back to that interaction with Job where God asked Job, where he was when he laid the foundations of the earth. You know, it's like, in all his suffering, he was faithful and he was good. And God's real gripe was with the trash talk that Job was getting from his. His homies. And he's basically asking him, like, why are you enduring this? And he goes on to drop this line out of him, like, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? And it's like, yeah, man, you're here for 80, 90 years.

[John Pounders]

Well, job for a little longer, but.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, well, yeah, job for a little bit longer. But the idea is, like, people come to this crazy. They latch onto Gnosticism and they go, I know. I know what's going on.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, he's the demiurge.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

God is the demiurge. This is a prison planet. And it's like, you are a baby.

[John Pounders]

Shout out to the real ones, like Trevor, who. Even though, like, I mean, what he's describing to us is one of. This is one of the.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Trevor couldn't have been like, this is a prison planet and God is the demiurge.

[John Pounders]

No, I mean, again, of course he could have. And would you have blamed him? No, no, no. Because I didn't expect people to exhibit this kind of strength. I would encourage you to, but I know that in the end of the day, that's. It's very hard. It's hard to walk.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well, his heart even isn't in him. It's. It's in the Lord.

[John Pounders]

Yeah. And that's. And that's what he's exhibited. Because by the end of this email, he's like, hey, it's still going down. I'm still in it.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

But, you know, thank God. And he's like, hey, thank you guys for being retarded and doing your show. And it's like, yeah, yeah, this dude's. This dude's finding joy in. In this. In this struggle. He's finding joy and understanding that this is life. And it's beautiful and it's tragic and it's funny and it's sad sometimes. It's like, that's really all that. I think that's all that we could hope for, for what we're doing, for what I'm doing every day here. I hope that I'm expressing that to people and that they're. They're able to internalize. It's like, yeah, it's going to be really bad, but it's also going to be fun, and we're also going to have a lot of joy, even in the bad times. Like we're laughing through the dumbest shit that happens to us all the time.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Don't forget that all of the pain that you're experiencing is passing through a very limited filter.

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[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

We have no memory of like, whatever, if anything came before. God says that I stitch you together, you know, in your mother's womb. There's a, you know, Mormons, which I don't agree with a lot of what they say, but they think, based off of their interpretation of scripture, that we were existing in some way, shape or form before. I don't know if that's true, but I know that we have.

[John Pounders]

He says he knew you before you were in your mother's womb. So it's, it's somewhat true. Something there.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well then people go back anyway. Yeah, they go back and forth. They go, well, is that the idea of you? I don't know.

[John Pounders]

I don't have reincarnation, but.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

No, no, no. But we don't know what happens after. You know, it's this big mystery where if you're materialist, people are still trying to transcend death. And we might do that with transhumanism, but we're so limited, we're so limited in our perception and we're so limited in our time here that all the grief that you're feeling is passing through that hyper limited filter.

[John Pounders]

And, and man, is it temporary, right? Even in this life, there's so. I, I can remember back like on, like, man, how am I going to get through this? This is going to be horrific. And now I can't even recall the situations.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, I'm sure there's been a million of those. I think that we, we have a tendency, we build up things to a degree where we, we have some comforts and we try to fool ourselves about the nature of, of life and, and the nature of the world. I think a lot of us are experiencing that reality of what the world is like right now. And I mean that in the sense of like, let's say like the disclosure thing or even the Epstein files. We're getting this veil pulled back and they're showing us like, look, they're trafficking children and they're harming them and they're, they're, they're, they're doing terrible things to them and they're maybe even worshiping and sacrificing to entities. And also there are other entities out here. Who knows, maybe we'll, we'll tell you about those. And it feels like all this new stuff, I don't think it's new at All. It's not. I know, it's not new at all. It's like right now we're. We're having the curtain pulled back and we're being reminded of the condition of the.

[John Pounders]

Of the world.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

This has always been the world. You know, they've always been doing these things.

[John Pounders]

It's literally Hollywood. And it's. Again, this is like the ability to laugh at the tragedy is, I guess, a gift and a curse. But like, yeah, Hollywood hasn't made anything good because we got. I don't know, like, what, what are they working on now? Like, we have Avatar 2, we have how to Train youn Dragon 2, and we have Moana too. But we also have the Moana, the remake, because they're just not making anything new. And this is just like, this is the evil that we're dealing with. And at some point I'm like laughing at it because it's the same shit. It's just like, yeah, we've seen this before.

[Guest or Co-host]

Can't create, man. They can't. The evil. Can't create. In my opinion. They have to. Because if you look at companies, for instance, like private equity companies that come and buy. It's always the creative people that make the company and then they come and buy it and then they just own it through the stock. You know what I'm saying? They do that with Hollywood. They do with everything. And so they don't how to create. That's why they need to feed and bleed off of us, you know, that's. That's the truth, man. None of them can create. They're. None of them want to. All they want to do is control.

[John Pounders]

You know, that actually brings up an interesting thought about the. I don't know if you want to bring the conversation here to the Matt Gates breeding program, but.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting.

[John Pounders]

Have you, have you heard about that?

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah, My, My friend Shamayne just interviewed him the other day and she's like. She thought, she thought he was telling the truth. I mean, she was like, to me it sounds like he believes at least what he's saying.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I think he's telling the truth too. I think it's Ecclesiastes, right? Nothing new under the sun. I think that we actually had. And I. I don't know, we. We talked to John about the, the Albarino situation right before it.

[Guest or Co-host]

Well, yeah, I think we talked like on your show. I think you guys. When I went on you guys show, like, what was it like a month

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

ago, two years ago, we were probably

[John Pounders]

in the throes of it about it, John.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Well, we've. We've made up. I've called him. I called him personally and apologized.

[John Pounders]

What'd you call him?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

No, I called him. I called him really nice things. And I apologize for just, you know, having this foot in comedy and conspiracy, I think makes a bit of a psychopath of a man. And, you know, I have a tendency to go far. And so there were times where even Albarino admitted that he was laughing, and then there was times where he was seriously considering whether or not I was a disturbed individual. So I called him and I apologize, and we buried the hatchet. But the reason that Albarino got on my radar is because it's surrounding this.

[John Pounders]

I also. I apologize also. But you know what? He was gracious. I still don't agree with anything he says.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, he was very cool about the whole thing.

[John Pounders]

I will say it's a good mark of a dude. Like, I don't know him. But let's say me and you got into a fist fight, John. Right? We get a fist fight, boom, boom, boom. We have disagreements, and then win or lose, I'd be like, all right, dude£ see you later. I still don't agree with anything you said, but that's like, all right, okay,

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

this is clearly over.

[John Pounders]

We're done. We're good. And everyone's like, yeah, we're good. And I'm like, I. As a man, I'm like, okay, dude, yeah, that's cool.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I respect that.

[John Pounders]

And then he sent us a signed copy of his book.

[Guest or Co-host]

If you want to be successful, you have to be that way anyway. I mean, holding grudges and stuff like that is not the key to success, you know what I'm saying? And. And that's the thing about, like, nowadays, it's so weird because when I was younger. How old are you guys?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I'm 35.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, 38.

[Guest or Co-host]

38. I'm 43. So not much older than you. But when I was a kid, you didn't. You didn't say something unless you wanted to fight.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

You know, you couldn't just. Just throw out a. Say something crazy. And so, like, my generation, when I think about, you know, the way people are. Are doing this, I feel like some of them are literally creating a situation where they're going to get blasted in the face one day.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

While they're walking down the road. It's just. Just next thing you know, bam, you know, And. And, like, it's gonna happen to some of these people that keep talking. I'm not talking about you guys, but in general, like, the. The way that people approach each other, if they can't don't have any. Like, if. If it was Timothy Ivory, let's say he was crazy. Let's say the dude was a nut job and he's just seething inside about something you said. There are people like that. There are people that will never, ever secede their hate for something you said about him. Dude. I had somebody that I just found out that's been holding a grudge against me for almost 15 years, that I don't even remember ever talking to the guy, but apparently I said something to him that really offended him. Dude. And he's like, been trolling me for 15 years. I didn't even know it was him. I finally got a chance to talk to him face to face, and I was like, listen, brother, I am so sorry. Like, I don't remember that. I wish that. I wish that I never would have said that to you. I hate that you've been upset about this for 50 years. 15 years.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Like, I had no clue. You know, there's crazy people out there, man. And like, so you guys got to be careful too.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, I know. As much as I like a fight, I also like when it's over. Like, I like letting it go. And I've always been that might make

[Guest or Co-host]

a mistake trying to fight you. Been you training in martial arts for 10 years. So that might.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

You know, it's been an odd thing. It's been an odd thing compartmentalizing that because I also came up in a generation where, like, you didn't say anything unless you were gonna fight. And I had to kind of learn, like, on the Internet, people just say things and. And so I. I shelved all of that. Like, I'm. I'm definitely not a violent person. I like sports in the sense. Combat sports in the sense of sport. It's a competition. Right. And. And I don't hold. You know, I don't. Couldn't tell you the last time I fought angry or anything like that. And I'm definitely the type of person, like, after it's over, everything's good. I'll help you up. That kind of a deal. But yeah, I mean, you see creators. Yeah. I think Sneako just got punched in the face the other day. Just walking down the street, somebody punched him in the face. So, like, yeah, this is a weird.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, but this is also Florida.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah. So it's a little bit of a problem to do that to somebody in

[Guest or Co-host]

Florida, but you could do it if

[John Pounders]

you want to, but it's.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, but I don't know how it's

[John Pounders]

going to State is shaped like a gun.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

That's all I'll say about it. Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

But you know, on the, on the topic of this whole Albarino thing, the reason that he got on. On my radar in such a big way is because of this.

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[John Pounders]

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[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

We had a difference of opinion on the aliens are demons point of view. And the reason that I was so passionate about it. There's a couple of reasons. Number one is because it seems to be on the horizon, right? They're doing this thing where they're trying to introduce it to the public. And you know, I don't know about anybody else, but I don't trust the government.

[Guest or Co-host]

There's an agenda, man. Yeah, there's an agenda.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Absolutely there is. And I come from a family where my grandmother was a abductee victim, lifelong abductee victim. From childhood. These things tormented her into adulthood. And you know, she didn't handle it well. She turned to the new age. She turned to occult practices. This I'm very sure, you know, it gave my family line generational iniquity. And you could just tell looking at her kids, looking at their kids, schizophrenia, you know, all kinds of encounters. Your forehead, the giant forehead.

[John Pounders]

That wasn't nice.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

My grandmother ended up dying really young, you know, 40 something years old, alcohol related disease. She just never handled these things the right way. So, you know, if the government is going to come along and try to tell us that, hey, some of these things are good and they've got technology and all these. I'm like, these things are inherently demonic. I was not a Christian until I was in my 30s. And before that I was just a conspiracy theorist. You know, I've had strange experiences myself and I didn't take the official narrative for the explanation. And all that data compilation over years is like the demonic phenomenon and the alien phenomenon. As far as patterns go, they're almost a one to one. They're almost a one to One. And if you look through antiquity at all these, if you take a like let's say a Mike Heiser worldview and you look at these pantheons as a set of entities that rebrand themselves from one people group to another people group and that they're actually fallen angels and Nephilim and things like that. I look at the alien phenomena, I go, yeah, that they're still rebranding but this time it's come, you know, by way of Hollywood.

[John Pounders]

So yeah, like they take, oh, so they take a human woman and they conduct some sort of breathing experiment in order to create their own hybrid, whatever

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

you want to call it. Familiar.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, Nephilim, demigod, you name it. And then you have Matt Gates talking about the same thing. He's like, yeah, they're doing this aliens, I believe. I was like, yeah, that a no brainer. Yeah, they, they can't create number, I think they can't create at all.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

They can only invert.

[John Pounders]

They can invert God's creation through the woman, but they also can't even create a new plan to do this. I guess like maybe IVF is a

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

new plan or they try same old thing.

[John Pounders]

The black eyed children, they have their meat suits with the grays. So like there's variations of.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, they had a ray of monstrosities that they kind of roll out, but the black guy. And this is something that people in the UFO community have been saying for a long time is the black eyed children phenomenon. So when Matt Gates is talking about a hybridization program that's taking place subterranean, you know, style, and people have been, abductees have been coming back and talking about this for a long time. Women are impregnated in a mysterious way. Doctors confirmed the pregnancy. Then all of a sudden one day through an abduction experience, the pregnancy vanishes. Famous case of that is Karen Wilkinson. She works with Ellie Marzulli. She's had all these experiences, they took her kids as well. Years later she's reintroduced to them and she could tell that they're her children, but there's something wrong. And these things are petitioning her to interact with them because they agree something's wrong. So the grays are trying to get her to interact with these estranged children because these kids are missing something. Basically the feeling that she got was like, they don't work right. Can you interact with them? You know? And so in the 80s and 70s, the black eyed children were much more horrifying looking. And then over time the eyes get smaller, the heads get less grotesque and eventually you're left with something that's, like, pretty passable. And to the extent that people think that they're integrated with us currently, but it's like a tale as old as time. It seems the main concern is our genetics. Our genetics. The seed of the woman, right? If people think that that serpent seed, the seed of the woman will crush the seed of the serpent, that this is talking about this very same program or the Nephilim, you know, it's interchangeable, and I don't know. So when Matt Gaetz says that, he thinks that, I'm like, yeah, probably in these deep underground military bases, I think they're doing a lot of things. I think they're doing chimeric creations. It doesn't just stop at, like, a hybridization program between us and them. I think, you know, this is all

[John Pounders]

crazy talk, but it's my favorite talk. If it is, if this is the case, let's just all suspend our disbelief for a second. And I want to know what. What you think about it, John. If it is the case that they are doing this and they're doing their breeding program, why the hell are. Why do we know about it?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, why is a good question.

[John Pounders]

You know, Congressman or Representative Matt Gates telling us about this on Twitter and podcasts, like, why? What do you think, man?

[Guest or Co-host]

I don't know, man. I mean, when I think. I think that they're telling us to get us prepared for accepting these hybrids into society. Maybe that's possible, or they're telling us these things so that whatever rolls out, man, I. I do believe that there's a. There's a grand deception in all of this, because like you said, they're now trying to naturalize something that. I would say that most of us, including Albarino, at one time really believed that these were entities, whether it be fallen angels or. Or demons. And now there's such a heavy push towards them being some kind of ancient civilization that was around before us. Now, here's the problem is, like, yes, I believe that there's definitely demons associated with all this. I do. I believe there's fallen angels that are walking amongst us because they can shift into human form. I believe that that's true through frequency or whatever the case may be. But I also believe that there is probably a ancient human Canaanite force that has been living underground for a long time. Like in the Bible, where it says Cain was driven from the face of the Earth. What does that mean?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host]

What's the face of the Earth? Where else was he going? Probably underground. Right? That's and you have these civilizations that talk about a group of people that lived underground that would take them underground. And of course, over time, if you live underground long enough, you're going to look a little white and decrepit. They had these drawings with these giant blue eyes of these beings that took them underground and they called them like mole people. And so I think that it's possible that because there's that tie that always has been taking place between the Nephilim and the Canaanites that they could be working with an advanced civilization that we might be calling the tall Whites that we might be calling whatever. So, yeah, that's why you might have a little overlap there. But I think every single one of those organizations are all working together towards the common goal of deception, whether it be demons, angels, all of those combined, which I think is. It's combined. I think fallen angels have been working with the kings of the Earth for a very, very long time. I mean, the Bible, you see, the Prince of Tyre, the King of Tyre, every kingship or every group of people has some kind of entity that rules that nation. So obviously it's been going on, but I think the reason they're propping it out now is because we finally have technology to where we can see this as a natural thing.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Rather than a supernatural phenomenon.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, I think that's a great. A great take on it. You know, I've. I've gotten to the point, John, where I. I feel like there's so many moving parts, especially for the layman. We call it grandma maxing. It's this idea of, like, let's say we are, in short time, they're going to reveal a bunch of things and they're going to try to reveal them through the context of technology and a natural phenomenon. Well, then the average person has very little time to catch up. And all these things that we're talking about go over the head of somebody who hasn't been subjected to these ideas for a long period of time. And I find that a great way to summarize it is like there is really only two camps. Jesus Christ says, you're either with me or against me. Right. So there is either something that is still in the grace of God or something that is demonic. And when I say demonic, I mean, you know, maybe there's technology involved, maybe there's hybridization, maybe there are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, if that's truly what demons are, maybe there are fallen angels and et cetera, et cetera. But you're either for the Lord or you're against the Lord. You're against humanity, and you're deceptive in nature. And these it. Let's say, alien abductions, for example, for as long as they've been happening, not only is. Is there a negative connotation. You're being taken against your will. You're terrified, you're paralyzed. There seems to be technology maybe that facilitates it via some sort of infrasound that, you know, resonates through your body and causes this feeling of paralysis and doom. And they are experimenting on you against your will. All of that is horrifying, but they're also deceiving you, because as long as this has been happening, abductees have been imparted with information. And. And that information is usually about, number one, the special nature of the individual who's taken you. You're taken because you're chosen. You're chosen because you're special. And usually it's because they want you to go and evangelize on behalf of them. And the thing that they want you to evangelize is always some New age gnostic gospel as well as a coming calamity. Now, for decades and decades, the railing,

[Guest or Co-host]

like the Raelians or the Mormons.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Careful, because please don't. The railings have been emails hitting us up constantly, like, they want to come and talk to us. Yeah, I'm like, you can get that. You're not coming to talk to us at all. We're in a very public.

[Guest or Co-host]

Like, what do you. So hold on, hold on. We. We can. I can edit this out.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

I will edit this out if you like.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

No, you can keep it if you want.

[John Pounders]

Okay. We have. I told you, we're in Florida, John.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

Like, have you seen Dan Blizzerian, I guess Blitzerian. He's running there or against Randy Fine, the guy that. Randy Fine. Did you see the video where Randy Fines. Like, voting for everybody and all that? Like, yeah, crazy Florida's got a lot going on. But yes, keep going.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So. So, yeah, I mean, basically this idea that the Raelians. They heard us. So some. Somebody popped up in our chat.

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[John Pounders]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I'll keep this short. And her and I started having a dialogue on Twitter. She starts telling me about Raelians and that she's in contact with a maternal space entity and it's her third parent and she's got DNA from this parent. And we're going back and forth and I'm telling her, like, look, you're likely being deceived by something and you're just taking its existence as evidence for it being honest, which is a huge conflation error. You know, people see something that's amazing, and then they think that means it's telling them the truth, which is, you know, a huge mistake. And she goes on, and we're going back and forth and, you know, it starts to get combative. And then all of a sudden, she unsolicited starts posting pictures of herself because she's got the Raelian logo tattooed on her chest, which is crazy.

[John Pounders]

It's the Star of David and the

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Nazi in the middle. Yeah, yeah.

[John Pounders]

I'm like, all right.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And she looks, big surprise, like shit. So I start, you know, probing her and I find out, well, she's riddled with debilitating pain and she's struggling with addiction and she's obese, and she's have all of her. Her relationships in her life are falling apart. And one of the ways that the Bible tells us to test the spirits isn't just to ask them, you know, to. To confess with their mouths that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God, but it's also to just observe the fruits. And it's like if all of these things in your life are falling apart, every aspect, your. Your physical health, your mental health, you're addicted to drugs, your relationships, your job, everything is falling apart. And you're in contact with a supreme space being who says it loves you. How do you square those things? So I do a show after that interaction, and she pops up in the chat and I start just hammering her. We're live on the show. And I start dunking on her because she can't take.

[John Pounders]

She reported us to Raelle.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

She reported us to the rail people, and they start emailing us, trying to get a representative to come out here to talk on our show. And I'm like, you're going to stay away. That's.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's really. Are there now. There's a lot of really ins, aren't there? There are hundreds of thousands of Them,

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

I think it's kind of a big deal.

[John Pounders]

Most of them. Most of them are in South Africa. That's going to be their headquarters now. Because it was a very interesting thing about the Raelians. They were running some sort of a weird sex cult here. No? Oh, yeah, I know who. Go figure.

[Guest or Co-host]

And I interviewed a Raelian before, a former Raelian that became a believer, by the way, about probably in 2015. Crazy sex cult.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yep.

[John Pounders]

There you go. Yeah. Yeah. But on. Underneath that, they had a cloning company called Clonaid. I'm sure that you know about this. And at the time, they got really attacked by the government because the FDA had no laws against this, and they were doing. They were claiming to have cloned somebody, and they never produced evidence. But I just find it interesting that you're a religion that believes in the Elohim, which are. That's just like the designation of whatever, wherever these entities come from. So God is Elohim as well, but so are all these angels and the fallen angels. And it's never necessarily disclosed who they're talking to. It's always kind of like, very slippery. But Elohim in general, and then on top of that, your main business is cloning, so some sort of a breeding program. So. Okay.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

They also say that Raelle is the. Is. Is a Nephilim.

[John Pounders]

They admit that openly that he is

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

the brother of Jesus Christ. The whole thing is super fun, actually.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, it's. It's a quite alarming and a little bizarre. But yeah, they've been emailing us. They've actually been quite polite. Besides the amount of emails that we've gotten for them, it's just. I'm not interested because their entire conversation, in my opinion, it falls apart right at the beginning. They try to say, like, you know, the Elohim created the earth, because in the Bible, when you read the book of, you know, in Genesis, when it talks about Elohim created the earth, they say, oh, look, therefore, that means that there were many. And they created. And I said, no, like, this is. This is basic Hebrew, and I don't even speak Hebrew, but I understand this. And the guys that we're dealing with are also rabbis who are converts from Judaism, so they speak Hebrew as well. So, you know, when you say Elohim meaning plural, but then that's followed up by bara, meaning singular, you're talking about a singular entity created, not two plurals next to each other, because that wouldn't be proper Hebrew. And the only time that you would use a singular, a Singular way to depict the word Elohim, it would be Eloah. And that's used in the Book of Job. And that's used mostly in a poetic fashion when it's describing the one true God, Eloah. That's what they're calling him there. So I'm like, not only is it improper conjugation, but you're also being dishonest because you know what this says. Maybe Rael doesn't know because he's French and he's kind of a con man, but you. You know, and you're lying. And I said that. And there's like, no. I haven't really gotten a satisfactory answer other than no, this is what it means. But I'm like, no, of course it's not what it means. So, like, your entire argument falls apart right there. You could throw. Throw away the rest of the 400 pages of the book that you keep sending me. Not interested in it.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

By the way, it's no different than all of these sort of pagan pantheons of antiquity. Right. You go all the way back. Even, like the Zachariah, Sitchin, ancient Sumerian, Anunnaki thing, it's like, yeah, this is the narrative from their point of view.

[John Pounders]

Well, it's not the Anunnaki thing, when you actually research that as well.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

It's.

[John Pounders]

The Anunnaki are not necessarily those entities that they're talking about, is a different word for them. Yeah, well, the Anunnaki would be the leaders of man. So, like the kings, the principality, the King of Tyre. Like, that story is interesting because it tells the story of an earthly king, but right on top of it, I feel like they're all. The Bible is describing Satan. So it's like this double.

[Guest or Co-host]

Whatever it did hold up, it held up the archangel. Right. It was able to stop him. Had to be something.

[John Pounders]

Yeah, yeah. But with the. The Anunnaki, that's describing the kings on the earth, so the human kings, or maybe even Gibborim maybe transformed a little bit. But where.

[Guest or Co-host]

I think it's the Anakim in the Bible, you know, the Anakim were the Nephilim that were really tall in the Bible.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Right.

[Guest or Co-host]

Kind of like where you get the word Anakin from and all that stuff. Do you think that's who they're talking about?

[John Pounders]

It's possible. I think what they're talking about, if. I think that they are part human. But the myth, the mythology goes, when you go back into ancient Sumer, that is that they were in contact with something called the Apkallu. And the Apkallu are these entities that were half God and then half bird, half fish. So you get like the dagon hat, you'll get like the bird face and things like that.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

They're also described as like being omnipresent, like in reality at some moments and then out of it. So they have the ability to sort of like phase in and out.

[Guest or Co-host]

And they were seven. Seven up call or eight up Kalu. Right? Was it eight?

[John Pounders]

I think there was like seven in this. Yeah, seven. This, seven.

[Guest or Co-host]

Usually it's seven or eight. And this is interesting. This is something you guys may have not thought of about the Apkalu, but also the sages, the seven sages. And then they all had like one kind of patron guy that was over him. So it was like equal to 8. But if you look at in the Bible, how many people came back on the ark, it was eight people.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host]

And Noah. Noah, like Umna, Pishtin and you know, different names he had in different texts. But like they all thought of him as a God. And these other. These. All his children were thought of as gods too because they came from the last world over. And so like, there's that tie in as well. But yeah, I mean, you're exactly right. I think that people really mistake,

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

you

[Guest or Co-host]

know, because people used to claim to be gods back in the day. Like how many kings claim to be a God?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Sure.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yeah.

[John Pounders]

Even today, I think Trump is calling himself the God Emperor Trumpet. It's interesting, but the force behind it is always this unseen entity in an unseen realm. And they're the ones who advise the king, whether that be through channeling or drug use. There's something going on where there is an actual entity whispering a lot of truths and one very important lie into the ear of somebody that has influence and apparently just into the. We're at the point in, in. In history where they just. They're just whispering it to people with back issues. Like, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's gone completely crazy. And I feel like that. It does feel like we're a little bit in the, in the end play here. Right.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Because it's like they're so widespread converging at once. Whether it's this idea of like them trying to fulfill biblical people prophecy by forcing wars and then saying that they're ordained by God because it's going to bring about the second coming. And also the alien disclosure thing and AI reaching this sort of apex. And it's like there's. I'm not. I don't want to be one of those people that says, like, oh, we're in the end times. Because the cliche is that every generation says that. But you see the fruition of operations that have taken place over generations. You know, like even MK Ultra and all the things that sprouted out of like 1947 and the end of World War II seem to be coming to a head now. And we're subjected to it at scale rather than just an individual in a lab, right? We're all subjected to like the MK Ultra program. We're all traumatized. They're all trying to get us on SSRIs into disassociative states. We're all medicating ourselves and, and then you have this alien thing on the horizon and you have these wars. And I get that there seems to be some sort of manufacturing of prophecy. Like if you look at the red heifer situation, that's a manufacturing of their prophecy where you have a ranch in Texas that's trying to create a genetically perfect red heifer so that the rabbinic Jews in Israel will purchase them, which is exactly what happened to burn them

[John Pounders]

and sanctify their tools to build their third Temple, which is not biblical, but it's manufactured, right?

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So, so people will go, oh, it's not real prophecy, it's manufactured. And I go, whatever it is, it's the fruition of generation long operations. Not just on that front with the red heifers, but like I said, with the whole MK Ultra thing and everything that comes out of, you know, the Nazi regime and, and even the, the, the UFO phenomenon, which I think also goes way back Israel itself, like bringing

[John Pounders]

the Jews back into Israel. And there's a lot of argument of are these the real ones? Are these? And you know what? I'd say a lot of them probably are not, but some of them, well,

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

some of them have to be the synagogue of Satan, right?

[John Pounders]

And, and there are going to be

[Guest or Co-host]

a remnant of Sephardic Jews there. There's. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not all Ashkenazi. There's like millions of Sephardic.

[John Pounders]

So yes, it's a mixed bag. And this is a, you know, to bring it back to Nemos is like, hey man, you want to do that Obadiah 18 thing? If you kill even one of God's people, God's chosen people, no matter how wicked they are, I don't want that on my hands at all. Yeah, I'm out. Like, I don't know. I can't do the blood Test and tell you who is a faker.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

And I also don't know their heart. Right. Only God knows your heart. I have no idea.

[John Pounders]

I know it's a mess.

[Guest or Co-host]

God himself would have to come down to me and tell me these things after I've thrown out like three or four fleeces and figured out, like, if it testing the spirits like 20 times before I'd ever do anything like that. I mean, that you can't, like, blood on your hands is not a good thing. David wasn't even able to build the temple because he had blood on his hands. A man after God's own heart.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Yeah. Yeah, man. But like I said, I, I do think we're going to be subjected to something. Whether or not it's actual end times, you know, I, I don't have the, the wisdom to determine that, but I can look at all these patterns and I can look at all these, you know, really long rolling conspiracies and, and kind of look at the way they're all about to meet this cross section and go like, yeah, something.

[John Pounders]

Something's about to go down.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Something pretty cool. And I only say it's pretty cool because, you know, I'm a bit of a psychopath and I've been looking at this for so long and I don't have fear in my heart about any of these things. A lot of that has been when you do it for as, as long as I have. And it's not like I'm like super, like, you know, I'm some OG in the game. But the reality of the situation is if you believe these things, then you probably went through a stage where they scared the shit out of you. And then when they didn't come to pass, you had to either stay in a state of fear, which is exhausting, or figure out how to get over it. And eventually I did figure out to get how to get. And I wasn't. Oh, I was in that place of fear. I was homeless for a long time and. And I was so concerned with this thing instead of getting my life back on the tracks, and eventually I had to get up on my feet and get my life on the track. So I don't have that anymore. Even in 2020, when these things happened and they started shutting the world down and I was still running the avenue, you know what I mean? I was going for a run. I was going to the supermarket and buying tonic water because it had, you know, quinine in it and all this. I. But I didn't have any fear about any of this stuff. And I still don't. So, you know, I think at the end of the day, if that's truly where we are, it is something to rejoice about, because it's like, we know how this ends. We know that God wins. And. And we also know what our job is. And our job is, is to make disciples of men. That's what it is, right? That's. That's what the Great Commission is. And I think that that becomes very obvious if we really are in these times and things. The worse things get, the more you have to go forth and make disciples of men. Not. Not because that's what the Bible says. Like, the worse it gets, the more you have to do. It's just the more obvious it becomes and. And the more refined that lens is. And that lens should be looking at, like, well, what's the goal? The goal is to make disciples of men.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's true. Guys, I want to say thank you for showing up here. I. I really appreciate the broadcast. I'd love to talk to you guys again. I feel like we could talk. We can go on for a long time. I got a show coming up right after this that I got to be on. Otherwise we'd probably still be talking. But thank you so much. I. It's, you know, I really enjoy it. The Bible says, Paul says, become all things to all men. It won't always look right to everybody, but we're supposed to get in where we fit in and try to do the best we can. Whether that means comedy, whether that means in where you work at the police force, you're a cab driver. Get in where you fit in. Do your best to spread the light. Spread the light of Christ. You guys tell them where they can find you. I'm going to put the links in the description, but let us know where we can find your best content.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

So you can find Nephilim Death Squad anywhere other than Rumble. But if you want to, we record pretty much every day, sometimes two times a day. Today was a twofer. So if you want up to date content, it's patreon.com forward slash, nephilim death Squad. We're also. Do we do a live event. It's called Bohemian Grove. That's these posters we were showing off before. And we have one coming up in August. It's going to be August 7th and August 8th. And so if. If anybody is out in Florida, in the Wildwood, Florida area, kind of the Ocala neck of the woods, and you're interested in that, those tickets are going to be available at patreon.com forward slash,

[John Pounders]

nephilim death squad and top lobster dot com.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Oh, that's right. At toplobster.com and merch is going to be there as well.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's it, man. Well, thank you guys so much. Pound the, like, button. Pound the subscribe button, and I'll see you guys next time. Thank you. All right, good job, guys. Thank you.

[Host 1 (Nephilim Death Squad Member)]

Thank you, brothers. Good talking to you, man.