
Ted Logan and Vince sit down with the Nephilim Death Squad to unpack the “Final Experiment,” bizarre Antarctica footage, and the resurfacing of flat-earth claims. We break down the clips, call out the wildest conspiracies, and explain what actually...
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Top Lobster
Top Lobster Productions.
Vince
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers.
Top Lobster
We are in a country and in.
Vince
A world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.
David Lee Corbo
The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.
Top Lobster
Oh, yeah, dude, they should not.
David Lee Corbo
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? Take control.
Vince
And everybody's just walking around.
David Lee Corbo
Heading the clouds I want to wake up to a dead in the grave but then it's too late.
Vince
We need to be ready to raise up.
David Lee Corbo
Welcome to the end of day Everybody is slaves. Only some are aware that the government releasing. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guests, a little reminder. We don't like people who don't have money. And so we will be shaking you off around the half an hour mark. That's right. If you have no money, you won't be able to watch this show. If you do have money, you won't be. Patreon.com/forge/nephilim death Squad.
Top Lobster
It's a rough way to say it from somebody that was just poor dude.
David Lee Corbo
I honestly, I've been thinking about that a lot lately. I'm like, you should have never gave me money.
Top Lobster
Should have never gave these money.
David Lee Corbo
That's it. In the words of. Well, it's technically his Rick James. Yeah, should have never gave me money because I immediately started to look at poor people with disdain. Go over to patreon.com forward/ephilim death Squad and you can sign up for whatever tier you'd like. Continue watching this show, engaging with the live chat, gaining access to episodes before they drop, or also early access to tickets to Bohemian Grove, as well as discount codes allegedly off of merchandise from Toplops.
Top Lobster
If you Want to give us more money and actually get something for. I mean, you'll get some stuff on Patreon, but yeah, there you go. Go to toplopsa.com David, as is tradition, pick out a random design that you want to talk about. I like the mother.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, let's. No, let's. I like Mother Horse.
Top Lobster
I scroll down.
David Lee Corbo
We never get to the second one. Go down a little bit. I want to see what else is down some more. Oh, the fall.
Ted
The fall.
David Lee Corbo
The fall is a banger. That's a. That's a really cool design. Yeah, that's a cool design. Honestly. Also, the stoned ape theory, the Bigfoot one. I like it. It's a colorful one. We don't do too many colorful ones. That's a banger, too.
Top Lobster
It's a beautiful shirt.
David Lee Corbo
Top lopster.com Go pick up your shirt.
Top Lobster
Let's get into the guest. Introduce the guests.
David Lee Corbo
Joining us today are Ted and the very Italian Vince. But before we get into conversations and before we get into the corrections about how Vince is in Italian, please, guys, let everybody know where they can find you. We'll start with Ted. I like to do that. So nobody steps on each other' toes. We'll start with Ted.
Ted
Very professional. Twitter is at Ted Logan 1010 or everything's at phone booth. Podcast.substack.com got four podcasts there. This has a podcast. We have a podcast on there. It's called here's the Thing that he mostly interviews, like, 80s hair metal rock stars. It's awesome. He was on with Direct D last night, so that was kind of cool. I don't know if you guys know.
David Lee Corbo
Who he is, but I have no idea who that is. But that's not. That's not anything against Direct D. I am completely uncultured.
Top Lobster
It's like a European thing.
David Lee Corbo
It sounds like a European.
Ted
No, no, he's an Aristotle.
Vince
Click past that page, dude.
David Lee Corbo
Can you click on the page and do it the right way? Vince, where can we find. Where can we find you? Vince, what are you doing? I mean, you can find me right.
Vince
Here if you click on.
Top Lobster
There you go.
David Lee Corbo
I thought that was. But that's not a sex picture.
Vince
Yeah, up there in the tabs, you can see all the different podcasts. The phone booth podcast, dualistic podcast, here's the Thing podcast, and the upcoming Philosopher King podcast. And then we got four pages for Ted, me, and Snoop. One poop, that's the other guy. And Jonah, that's the other guy. And then there's a whole bunch of shit there. Yeah.
Ted
Just go.
Top Lobster
I like the way this is laid out.
David Lee Corbo
It's actually a really nice website.
Top Lobster
Yeah, I'm actually considering. Yeah. I mean, they came on. Yeah, they came on the page. Well, on our show before the show, they were like stream yards gay.
David Lee Corbo
That's true. They sucks.
Vince
Evmux is where it's at. Cheaper, way more features, high quality, like 4K. And all that stuff is being brought.
Top Lobster
To you by what the hell, Shout.
David Lee Corbo
Out emu or whatever.
Ted
I will say this. If you email them about something, they actually email you back and like, oh, that's a good idea. We sent that to our programmers, blah, blah, blah. So that shit's cool. But anyway, sell you nothing.
Top Lobster
We'll look into it.
Ted
Except. Fine.
David Lee Corbo
Can I just page here is beautiful.
Top Lobster
It's, it's laid out nicely. You got a lot. Like, there's so much. I run into this problem a lot. Before you can just say anything. Vince, I'm gonna say something. This is like a problem that I had with my other website, Top Lobsters. Like, I got a lot of stuff.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
And, but this looks nice. Like you could find this stuff.
David Lee Corbo
There's a good job of laying out all this stuff. Yeah. Got a lot of these guys got also these guys, these got a lot of podcasts. Mad podcast.
Top Lobster
Did you ever think that maybe too many.
David Lee Corbo
You ever think, you ever think about doing a podcast?
Ted
I'm only on one of them. The all the rest is their own. I'm only on one of them. Everybody just has their own podcast. They're just underneath us. We helped them set up. We taught them how to use the stuff. We gave them whatever they needed to get started. Because we met cool people that had voices but had no following. And we're like, dude, this is easy. Grab a mic, get a camera, start talking to people here. I got almost 100,000 followers. I'll redo every repost everything you do, just get your voice out. So that's what it is.
David Lee Corbo
I love it. That's very umbrella. It's like an umbrella. Yeah. All right, so look, you know, I, I, I want to preface this a little bit with me and Ted. Preface, Preface. Well, pre face. You know, you pre. You pre face it starting early, boys.
Ted
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Did I make that up? Ted and I are actually buddies. He was one of the first people that gave me the time of day on X. And much to his dismay, because eventually he was just like, I'm not associated with this racist anymore. And. But in the beginning, before I was ever a terrible person, I latched on to.
Vince
Is that them or us?
Ted
It's not me.
Vince
It's not me either.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, they can't hear us either.
Ted
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, you.
Vince
You froze for a second.
David Lee Corbo
Guys, what was the name of that other streaming? Streaming EV Mux. Hold on, hold on.
Vince
E V M U X shout out.
Top Lobster
To ev mux.uk or something like that.
Vince
No dot com. Ev mu dot com.
Ted
They can have dot com there. It's all good.
Vince
I can't stress it enough. Get me there.
David Lee Corbo
Well, you know what it is? It's not Streamyard. It's our. It's our Elon Musk supplied Internet. Oh, that's the issue. We have Starlink. And so you know any who got to feed the beast real early in my, in my, in my Twitter days, I. I found Ted on Twitter and Ted was making ban after banger in. In the. In the realm of Flat Earth when it came to content. And it was. I hadn't been on Twitter yet, you know, before that. I wasn't on Twitter when Twitter was gay. My Twitter's still gay, but it's just different gay. And so I had got on there and I wasn't really subjected to Flat Earth content. Certainly not at the magnitude Ted was. Was assaulting people with flat Earth content. Like it was like a never ending hose of Flat Earth content. Remember those videos where they would like spray black people with the hoses?
Top Lobster
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
That was like me, like I was the black person and then Ted was the hose, but it was all Flat Earth content. And I was like, damn, dude. And it was like a crash course. Like I was learning so much so quickly. So I want to thank you, number one, for, for being my introduction to. To Flat Earth in a really big way. Round of applause for. For. For Ted.
Ted
You're welcome.
Top Lobster
I see why. Yeah, he's right.
David Lee Corbo
It's.
Top Lobster
It's why they were banned. They would ban people like you because it's like compelling, convincing evidence.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
That is hard to like poo poo away.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
And it's just a fire hose of it. It's just consistently you. And I mean, Ted was doing it. They were death.
David Lee Corbo
Death. Rufus and Bill. Yeah. And. And these four guys were. You know, it's funny too. It was really my introduction into talking on Twitter in a big way too, because everybody, and I'm sure it's still the case, was trying to step up to the plate and say one thing or another. And so these guys got really good at not only presenting really fun information, but also slapping losers in the teeth, which was a Lot of fun to watch. Like, over and over again, somebody would step up, and so they dunk on them. And. And am I wrong in saying, ted, that's like how you kind of cut your teeth. Right. On. On Twitter? That's because right now you're sitting close to a hundred thousand subs subscribers. And. And I would say that the flat earth situation hasn't gone away. It's only gotten bigger. Yeah.
Ted
And it will continue to. Just a matter of how many people wake up. But, yeah, that is how I, quote, unquote, cut my teeth. Was. But this wasn't a plan. Like, this is me in real life. That's how I talk to my friends when they say stupid. So when it's somebody I don't know, especially someone who doesn't have the balls to show their face and wants to say something I already heard a thousand times, I'm well equipped to slap a down. So it's. It was fun. And I. I think. I think that it inspired other people to do that, to have the confidence to not just be like, well, you should look at this. Be like, no, you're look at this. And then move on to somebody else and slap them too. So it's. It's a different approach. It's not for everybody, but comedy, entertaining, talking is my whole thing.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
Let me just say something. I am so glad that we're y. Because Vince is making me so nervous. Look at him.
David Lee Corbo
He's moving around a lot.
Top Lobster
He's menacing. Right. He's got this posture in the bottom.
Vince
Why am I making everybody nervous? And. And people hate me and nervous and all that. What's going on?
Top Lobster
Have you heard this before?
Vince
People get nervous.
Ted
He triggers some people, though. He triggered escanor. He's triggered a lot of people.
David Lee Corbo
Everybody triggers es. I love this. Everybody triggers him. You know what's funny? I just want to make it known I can't see Vince. Our camera is over Vince's face. All I can see is Freddie Mercury. So there's a picture of Freddie Mercury. Oh, damn it. There we go. There we go. That's actually perfect.
Top Lobster
He just moved right out of the.
David Lee Corbo
Way of the camera. Well, okay, so that brings me to my next point. Before we get into all the flat earth discussion, you. You do a. A podcast called the Phone Booth Podcast, which we highlighted at the start of the show here. And. And. And Vince, I never had the pleasure of meeting Vi. Homies. And. And Vince is new. How did you find him? What? What. What? Vacation to. To a favela in. In Italia.
Top Lobster
Did you find which hos, which hostel did you find?
Vince
Stay here, by the way?
David Lee Corbo
Honestly, it's. It's actually great. Yeah, you can see right there, it's.
Ted
Perfect the whole time. And never move anything, including your mouth. No, I'm just kidding. So. So, honestly, all the other dudes I'm still really good with, they just all had monumental changes in their life and.
David Lee Corbo
Sure.
Ted
You guys know as well as I do it's very hard to devote the time, especially when someone like me who's running it wants to grow when you want. You don't just want to, hey, one episode a week, that's enough. And it was hard enough to get them to do that. They all have kids, they all have full time jobs.
David Lee Corbo
Are they in different zones too?
Ted
Yeah, except for Bill. He's in the same time zone, but he had something crazy come up. He lives in a different place now, a whole bunch of stuff. But.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, man.
Ted
So then I called Indian tech support and this dude picked up.
David Lee Corbo
So I am here to support you.
Vince
What do you need from me?
David Lee Corbo
You know what? This guy.
Top Lobster
Do you work for vmux?
Vince
I don't work for Ev mux.
Ted
So what really happened was he was actually the first podcast we were ever on, me and Bill, because we met him on Twitter and he was like, oh, I have a podcast. You guys should come on and talk about flat earth. And that was the first time I ever was on a podcast ever. And right after that, this was before we even had a podcast. Right after that, he was like, hey, you guys have something. You should start a podcast. And I'm like, dude, I don't know anything about that. I don't even have a working computer. Blah, blah, blah. He's like, I'll teach you. I'll tell you. This program's free. This program's free. You can get this camera cheap here if you need it. Blah. Someone who never met me, who lives in Sweden, was willing to go out of his way and spend hours on a live stream helping someone he doesn't know out. So when all of them left, he happened to come on an episode to help me. Because I had no guest, I had nothing. Everyone left. I was like, what the. Can you show up? He showed up. And after that episode, I was talking to my wife and I was like, man, it's awesome that Vince helped me start the podcast. He came here to help me when all this fell apart and I need somebody else. Maybe I should talk to him about it. And the next day, and he's gone now.
David Lee Corbo
Gay he's like, oh yeah, watch this dude.
Ted
So his was dropping out before, so I told him if it does, when he couldn't hear, just drop out and come back.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, just come back.
Ted
Yeah. But so, yeah, I was talking to my wife about that and the next day he messaged me and was like, hey man, I really had a lot of fun last night. I know that you don't have anybody right now. If you need help, I'm more than willing to come help you. And that's how it started. And then as soon as we got together it was like, the, the podcast is easy now that's done. So let's build other stuff because we all know how to do this now. We've got that locked. We can do one episode a week easily. Let's do a live stream, let's help other people, blah, blah. So that's why he's here, even though he's foreign as. But it's cool.
David Lee Corbo
You know what's funny about that though is like, you know, that's really cool that Vince helped you figure out the ins and outs and how to get started and everything. It is worth mentioning that you can delve into something as intricate as flat earth and the way that it's been obfuscated and the way that they've lied to us, the secrets that NASA keeps and the lies that they're spreading and all these complex things or people are out there measuring curvature per square mile, but you can't figure out like how to start a. How to get a podcast. And, and I'm not even like dunking on you. I'm saying, me too, dude. Like, if it wasn't for Top's help in this arena, I would be useless. In fact, if he ever decides to go, like, you know what, dude, you're more annoying than you're worth, then I will also. I'll be reduced to being useless once again.
Top Lobster
Well, how. I got a question. So how does, where do you, where do you fit into the, the conspiracy realm, Vince? Because you're in Sweden right now.
Vince
Yeah, allegedly.
Top Lobster
What? Allegedly.
Ted
I say he's from Denver, but. Yeah.
Top Lobster
What, what is the, what are the. What's the conspiracy landscape like in Sweden? Because you're not really so really bad. So people are super normie out there.
Vince
Fucking normies.
Top Lobster
Alright, break.
Vince
How do you all. Small number of awakened people. Like let's say a thousand. It feels like, like out of the entirety of Sweden. Yeah. Out of 10 million people, it feels like a couple of thousand at most.
Top Lobster
That's rough, dude.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Vince
It is.
Top Lobster
Well, I mean, they're. They're not like, at the center point. That's what I'm saying. Like, you're not where NASA is, but you're paying attention.
David Lee Corbo
Well, isn't that where. Where CERN is? I don't know.
Ted
I made the same mistake, dude, don't feel bad. They're all.
David Lee Corbo
Well, they make.
Ted
Listen, they're not America, but I think.
Vince
What you're thinking of, Raven, is Facebook have their servers here in Sweden. Probably because it's cold. It's cold. Really?
Ted
Yeah. That's why. That's why.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, absolutely. That's interesting, because I think in America, we've gotten to the point where, like, I used to feel very much like it was like the same thing, Vince. Like, a thousand people were awake, if you were lucky. And of course, you disperse them across America, you're never going to bump into them in real life. And I feel like that's changed lately. I mean, certainly we. We know we live where we live as well.
Vince
We.
David Lee Corbo
We literally know a guy who owns a coffee shop we now make content with. And he's. He's local to us, and he's making content with us. But it's like, I do feel like I. I go places. I overhear a conversation where I'm like, this person knows something, or I'm at a gathering. I was at my wife's office party, you know, for the holidays, and. And people are coming up to me and they're like, oh, so you're the conspiracy guy? And I'm going. And they go, what do you think about this? What do you think about.
Top Lobster
You know, at my wife's office party, someone was like. They came up to me and a lady looked normal. She's just like, the. The sun is not real. Like, that's not the real son. And I was like, hold on, bitch. I don't even know you.
David Lee Corbo
Like. But, yeah, that's where we've gotten. I mean, that is. That is that. I mean, that's promising. I mean, that's. That's a good thing. In fact, I would say that due to the dialogue on Twitter, more people are talking about flat earth than. Than I've ever been subjected to. And it's. It's spilling over into real life.
Ted
Yeah, real life. I just saw a thing the other day that. And I know it's 20, 23, so it's two years ago, but that, like, 1/6 of young people in France believe the earth is flat. It's something like 20% in Brazil. It's extremely High. So people are waking up to it, man, because it's based on your senses. So let me just ask you two questions. Have you ever seen the curvature with your own eyes? Legitimately, have you ever seen it?
David Lee Corbo
Being honest, I thought that I did until I realized that the. The windows in a plane have, like, contoured edges, so it creates, like, almost like a fisheye lens. So. So outside of that, no. No, I have not.
Ted
And then the second is, other than if you've ever been in an earthquake, have you ever felt the earth move?
David Lee Corbo
Oh, no, definitely. In fact, when I was in an earthquake, it was so foreign that I didn't know what was what. I mean, that. That goes to show you.
Top Lobster
You know, it's funny. You feel. You feel the earth move, but only when you're inebriated or you're like, high on something. Then you're like. But are you really perceiving what's happening or are you perceiving like this?
David Lee Corbo
Maybe.
Top Lobster
It'S not.
David Lee Corbo
I can jump pretty high. In fact, I have a 47 inch vertical. And. And I know that when I jump, I have to calculate for when I'm gonna land, because if I try to land in the same spot, I'll actually fall backwards because it's kind of.
Top Lobster
He's the type of dude that will do like. He'll just be like, pop and just do like a random front flipping. Like, don't do that.
David Lee Corbo
And then, let me tell you, nobody ever likes it.
Top Lobster
This is Aldi's. We're in Aldi's.
Ted
Nobody but you keep doing it.
David Lee Corbo
I. Well, look, man, if you could do a front flip, wouldn't you do it sometimes?
Ted
Okay, you got me, dude. Honestly. Because if I could do a front flip, I would.
David Lee Corbo
You're right. Let me tell you, it's not worth it. Don't learn how to. Because absolutely nobody. People actually try to pretend they didn't see it.
Ted
That's not going to happen anyway.
Vince
Can I say one thing? Can I say one thing to the globe?
David Lee Corbo
Go ahead.
Vince
Whoever they are. I compare that to people who thinks a man is a woman, okay? It's not confirmed by reality that that dude is a woman. Same goes with the globe. It's not confirmed in reality that it's a curve, yet you believe it is. It's similar to those who believe a man can be a woman. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
Ted
Yeah. That's the biggest part of it, and that's why so many people ask, because.
Vince
Reality tells you it's flat, man. It's plain.
Ted
The number one tells you. Or the number one reason is to try to hide God. That's what they wanted.
Vince
That too, yeah.
Ted
They want to make you feel like it's just you're a speck on a spinning ball, an infinite nothingness that came from nothingness exploding. And now here you are and you'll be gone one day and there must be other life forms out there because there's so much and all that. But the second one is, if they can get you to believe that you're on a spinning ball when you've never seen a curve and never felt the earth movement, they can convince you of anything. Like men being women.
David Lee Corbo
Well, that's. Yes. And all of it is, it's backed by like this, this false intellectual superiority. So, you know, with, with, with the whole men being women thing, they'll try to get into like the chromosome conversation or whatever. What's interesting is sometimes they'll say that they have the wrong spirit in the wrong body, which is odd because most of the people that would say that don't believe in God. So I'm like, I don't know what you're getting at.
Top Lobster
Good point.
David Lee Corbo
A spirit, but you don't believe in God, but, but with the flat earth situation, it's just, it's, it's really backed by like, you know, there's a pre existing body of research that people will reference to. People who haven't done the research themselves will reference it. And then when you don't believe in that research, or you say something like, well, this isn't anything that you've actually ever observed yourself. You've never done these experiments, you can't actually prove it, you've not done the legwork. Then they just kind of laugh at you and they go, look at this idiot. You know what I mean? And that's where the conversation starts with, or stops rather, which I'm sure you've run into quite a bit. But we're in kind. I don't want to say a new landscape, but we're in an interesting place because not long ago, and we were just talking about this on a recent, recent show with Sean of Kingdom in Context. And we were talking about this idea of the final experiment, which is admittedly something that I haven't looked at very much because, well, to be honest, I haven't looked at the flat earth thing very much since my early days on Twitter. It's like got not infiltrated, but so many voices entered the arena.
Top Lobster
It's, it's similar to The. The JQ stuff.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
I think with, like, the. The size that it's at. Or at least the size when we were, like, jumping in, I was like, whoa, like, there's a lot of people in this pool and everyone's kind of, like, touching dicks and stuff. No, it was just.
David Lee Corbo
There was wrong with that. Nothing wrong with it. Wrong with it at all. We're not saying no.
Top Lobster
If you're into that.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
It's just. It's fine.
Vince
I'm not gay, by the way. I'm just saying.
David Lee Corbo
Well, I mean, you should have led with that. I mean, I do think. Yeah, it's. It's similar to the. To the whole Jewish thing, because a lot of people want to contribute and there's a lot of information. And the problem is, it's like when you're dealing with the floodgates opening and that much information. Information coming through. Some of it's. Some of it's not helping. The. The side that's trying to prove out the truth, but is claiming to be in alignment, which, you know, some people claim that's what happened with the final experiment. It's like the idea that they. Oh, it's Cheney. Hi, Cheney. Hi, Cheney.
Ted
I love her so much.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, Chaney's awesome. We got her back on.
Top Lobster
We're gonna have her in. In studio.
David Lee Corbo
By the way, one of the last episodes we did with her was like, one of the. The highest rate. People love Cheney.
Top Lobster
Yeah, she crushes.
David Lee Corbo
She does crush.
Top Lobster
Or a lesbian.
David Lee Corbo
She crushes for a lesbian. That's right. To whom I owe all of my sense of fashion to. Let's just. I mean, she dressed.
Ted
Here lies the problem.
David Lee Corbo
Well, actually, that was. I don't see it as a problem at all.
Vince
So I think Raven looks gayer than me, right?
David Lee Corbo
Probably.
Top Lobster
It's close.
David Lee Corbo
Hey, you trying to come for my crown? The king?
Top Lobster
This is why I immediately was like. When they came on, I was a little off put by it because I was like, I see what you're doing. The same thing we do.
David Lee Corbo
It's too much me.
Top Lobster
No, Ted saw. He saw the formula.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. He's like, I need to get a faggot. Yeah.
Top Lobster
And he was like, just copy the formula.
Ted
I need a. I need a. On the show.
David Lee Corbo
Honestly, you cannot put a cap on how endearing we are. All right? We may be difficult to work with, but people.
Top Lobster
I'm just saying, just ask next time. I would have said, yeah, but, you know, it's not.
David Lee Corbo
It's not our formula. We didn't. We didn't Pioneer it? No, but the stuff about.
Top Lobster
The stuff about the flat Earth, like, it got out of control. You had, like, the documentary where the guy's like, we've got flat Earth people around the globe. And then it. You know, it. They did such a great job.
Ted
What don't they infiltrate, though? What don't they infiltrate? They infiltrate everything. So that's what they're gonna do. And it's flooded. And people like Jaren, which you brought up and get into, like, honestly, when I. Ten years ago, I never would have thought I'm here. So I can't tell you how I would act in a certain situation, but I can't see seeing truth and then turning your back on it, like, unless. Unless you can go, okay, I finally measured. Measured curvature. I'm out, dude, I'm out. I don't care what your light in the sky says. But anyway, sorry.
David Lee Corbo
Well, there was this time where they used to have a stranglehold on, like, this idea of the curvature per square mile. And then what ended up happening is we developed cameras that allowed us to zoom in and see much further than we previously could. And what we were finding was, like, beyond the horizon, where the bottom of a ship should be, you know, imperceivable. Or let's say a land mass across a body of water should certainly be imperceivable. And if you could perceive it, you would only be able to see from a certain point on a building upward. Well, all of a sudden, they're. They're finding that you could zoom in and see the. The ground floor. You could zoom in and see the bottom of the ship still. And so at the very least, somebody somewhere was forced to say, well, our equation for curvature per square mile has to be reassessed. And. And that was probably some of the earlier things that I saw that made me go, oh, man, you know, I don't know if it's. You get so lost in intellectual superiority that you go, I think we've nailed it. Once we write down the equation, and there's no reason to revisit it or if this is more nefarious. And then, of course, when you start coupling that with NASA's research and. Or not even research, but NASA's proclamations of what they claim to be the truth, you find out very quickly that. That that's not the case. So my question is, can you talk about the final experiment? What did they set out to do? And. And what is your take on it?
Ted
They set out to deceive people, I would imagine, but not from just like, they don't agree with me. So there's tons of videos that looks weird. Shadows are off. They're walking through snow, but footprints aren't appearing behind them. Even though you see footprints in the snow. And other places, there's times when people were caught faking their breath with a vape. And other times you're in Antarctica, but you don't have a vape. There's a picture of them in front of a mountain, and it's all of them, supposedly, some of them with their shirts off and all this. But then someone found another picture where the mountain has the same exact snow melts and areas exposed, and other ones, like, it's totally faked in some way.
David Lee Corbo
So. So I want to ask you about that.
Ted
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Because that's. That's important. And I did see that that mountain that they found, was that in a different geographical location. And somebody was saying, look, this is, you know.
Ted
No, it was the same mountain. It was. It was. It was a mountain in Antarctica, but it had the same exact melted snow patterns from someone's picture from years ago. So, picture, a mountain's covered in snow and then certain sections melt, you know, randomly. Yes, but. But all of it was exactly the same, like where the curves went down. Not just saying, oh, it's. No, it was. It was the same fucking mountain. So that picture of them in front of that mountain, there's no way that that's the same one or it's not the same one taken from the same picture.
David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, I've seen that. Just for the audience sake. Like, I've seen that image. And it's undoubtedly there's like four or five reference points on the face of that mountain that you can match exactly to the mountain that was in the photo of the. Of the, you know, the final experiment. So. And I said, that's awfully strange.
Ted
Okay, so let me.
David Lee Corbo
Let me just tell you, the name is also suspicious.
Ted
Final experiment. That's one thing. It's not final. And it wasn't really an experiment. It was an observation. What did they do to experiment? They stood there and looked at the sky. That's not an experiment. But what was the idea?
David Lee Corbo
Just for clarification, they were gonna watch the sun?
Ted
Well, it should. There. There shouldn't be, technically, from what most people believe, because the way the flat Earth is set up, that the sun goes around the outside. The North Pole is the same. It's laid out flat, but so the sun would go around the outside. So in Antarctica, you shouldn't be able to see the sun for 24 hours, like you can at the North Pole when it moves up high, because it's moving around, so you see it go up and down. If it's a flat plane and it's going around, you should never be able to see the sun for 24 hours.
David Lee Corbo
Okay?
Ted
And before that, believe it or not, until they went, there's never been a legitimate video of it happening, ever. Everyone from the Antarctic stations would show it and there'd be time clips missing, and then it would show back up and there's all this. And I can't tell you what it is, and I can't even tell you that they saw it. But just because you. Even if you did go there and see, which a lot of the footage is bullshit, clearly bullshit, and if it's a real experiment, why do you have to fake any? Just like NASA, if you fake one thing, you're faking it all. But even if they did see what they claimed to see, which is we saw the sun for 24 hours in Antarctica. Okay, Right. I have a few questions for you. What do helium and hydrogen do here on Earth? If you fill a balloon with helium, what happens?
David Lee Corbo
It floats.
Ted
Goes up, right? Goes away from the Earth. So at what point? And how much helium and hydrogen would you have to have in order for it to start creating gravity and pulling things towards it? Because here they just float out and expand to whatever area they're in.
David Lee Corbo
But our son, you're saying that the sun is filled with helium and hydrogen. Helium and hydrogen, Right.
Ted
And it's enough gravity to hold all the planets in orbit. So if anything we can prove here on Earth is that if you let helium out with no container, it just disperses. So at what point do you get enough gas to where it collapses on itself and starts holding planets in? How does that happen?
David Lee Corbo
Well, that's that intellectual superiority that's, I imagine, required if you are going to deceive people on that kind of a level where you go, what do you mean you don't understand that? Because I don't understand it. I can't claim to understand it, but I know that if I said that to somebody in a coffee shop, they'd look at me like I was retarded. So.
Ted
So I know it seems like it's off subject, but my point is, no matter what they're seeing in the sky, I know it's not a burning ball of gas in a vacuum, because we know that's not possible. And how do you burn gas without oxygen? They say our sun is a burning ball of hydrogen and helium that holds all the planets in, and it's burning in a vacuum which has no oxygen. How do you burn a fire with no oxygen? How does that happen? And how does it burn for millions of years?
David Lee Corbo
It's weird because you just kind of go like, these are the laws of physics within our, you know, on our planet. But once you scale up, then none of it matters anymore.
Ted
It's not, it's not even. Once you scale up. It's a defined line. It's when you go from physics to astrophysics. Once you cross over into astrophysics, even. What's his name? I hate that dude.
David Lee Corbo
The Asian Neil Degrasse Tyson.
Ted
Oh, yes, Michio Kaku. He even says that they're 10 to the 20th power off on cosmology, and it's okay. That means they don't know a thing. So what they're telling you is complete and total nonsense. So astrophysics, totally different.
David Lee Corbo
The planetary Jews got him.
Ted
I'm here.
David Lee Corbo
That's all right. Wait for him to come back. Yeah, I mean. Oh, there he goes. Okay, sorry. The planetary Jews. The ball Earth Jews got to you. And so what were you saying?
Ted
I don't know. Where'd I cut out?
David Lee Corbo
You were saying that Michio Kaku said that you're off by 10,000. What?
Ted
10 to the 20th power or something. So that's 10 with, like, tons of zeros.
David Lee Corbo
That's a lot of zero.
Ted
So much for you to grasp. And in the video when it shows it, it covers the whole screen and he says, off.
David Lee Corbo
Off in. In what way?
Ted
In every way. In all of. In their measurement. No, I. I'm not joking, dude. In every way, their measurements. Like how do. Like, okay, if all these stars are at light years different distances, and they're completely and totally different sizes, why do they all look relatively the same in our sky? Why do they look roughly the same size in the same distance? How is that? How. That's interesting, man.
David Lee Corbo
That's like when you have eclipses and you go like, yeah, well, the moon from this, you know, point of reference ends up being exactly the size that you would need to perfectly eclipse the sun, despite it being astronomically farther.
Top Lobster
But then that this also puts into it puts into question what exactly are these things? Like, are they stars? Because they tell you that they're explosions of gas millions of miles away, but.
David Lee Corbo
That don't even exist anymore, by the way. Like, these are just the lights that we're seeing from something that happened trillions of years ago.
Ted
So ridiculous.
Vince
Eddie Bravo had a cool theory. He said that all those stars are your external soul. You know, like the player outside of the video game.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's you.
Vince
We're all linked to eat, you know, each star, whatever.
Ted
Maybe the real people. And then all the NPCs are filled in. In between.
Vince
Yeah.
Ted
Because.
Vince
Yeah. There's a theory.
David Lee Corbo
Huh? Go ahead. No, go ahead.
Vince
There's a theory that, you know, if. If there is 8 billion people, then not all 8 billion people have real souls. That is the number of real souls are way less.
Ted
There's not 8 billion people. But.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
You want to know something funny, man? The previous episode that we just did, about 30 minutes ago, it was on, man. What's this guy's name?
David Lee Corbo
Dude, I learned what just happened, honestly. Oh, Tyler. Daddy junkie.
Top Lobster
No, no, not. I know, Tyler Yankee. But we were talking about the Jewish guy who killed the young girl.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, dude, I don't remember that Jew's name.
Ted
That means that's why you can't remember. There's so many.
Top Lobster
Yeah, it's just. It's the same thing over and over. But anyway, the pencil company that he worked for and. And the girl worked for was National Pencil Company, npc. And I was like, I just find that's. That's serendipitous.
David Lee Corbo
See, thank God, somebody. People that watch the show. It's Leo Frank.
Top Lobster
Leo Frank.
David Lee Corbo
Thank you, Chad.
Top Lobster
Thank you. I should know. But we did the episode.
David Lee Corbo
It's just like when you get locked into a different mode. For me, everything else goes out the window.
Ted
I had to click. Okay.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, there you go.
Top Lobster
Evie mocks. You gotta use.
David Lee Corbo
You don't have to click the thing. Very sorry.
Top Lobster
So.
David Lee Corbo
So. Okay. All right, let's. Let's bring it back to this, this final experiment and I think let's let it run a little bit longer today.
Vince
Like no, man, for the pores.
David Lee Corbo
We'll let that. We'll let the pores watch a little bit longer. So let's go back to the final experiment. So they set out to observe the sun and it shouldn't have been perceivable in a 24 hour period consistently. And then it was who, who. Who went down. And this isn't. This isn't to besmirch these people because I don't really know what's going on. Like, I know Austin Whitsit was one of the guys that was supposed to go down. He was supposed to come on the show afterwards. He seems a little demoralized. He's. He's gone away I, you know, I don't. I'm not trying to trash these people in any way, shape or form, but. But who. Who went down? Who are these people?
Ted
Well, it was supposed to be half people who believed in flat earth and half people who believe in the globe. So it was McToon, which is. Hate that, dude. It was wits. It did go. Jaren went. And honestly, I don't even know the. Oh, Will Duffy, the pastor that's a half a. You know, and lies about a bunch of others.
Top Lobster
Oh my God.
David Lee Corbo
Why would we say that about Will?
Top Lobster
Who's Will Duffy?
David Lee Corbo
Why is he half a. Oh my God.
Ted
Because he's not all the way there yet, I guess. But anyway, no, he just, he just says. And like. Anyway, he, he's. He's been charged with violations in the past for ripping people off and all this stuff. And then he started a church and used God to do it and then somehow has all this money to fly everyone to Antarctica to look at this. And certain people that didn't go that were offered, said there was a lot of weird stipulations and all this, but nobody's posted any contracts. So again, my thing is we all talk about all the time. You can't trust anything you see on tv. You don't know these people. Well, guess what? I don't know a single one of these. I don't know. I know you better than I know any of them. And we've met one time in real life, so I don't know that they went. I don't know what they recorded and what they did, but I do know there are things that even if what they are saying is true and they did see what they claim they saw, which I personally don't believe, but even if they did, there's still many hurdles you have to overcome before you can make me believe. We live on a spinning ball with a pressurized atmosphere adjacent to a 10 to the or 17 to 10th power negative tour vacuum, which is important.
David Lee Corbo
That means. So see, that's what they do. They just say so much negative pressure.
Vince
Wizard words.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, words wizards.
Ted
From the time you were a little child mobile above your bed with the planets.
David Lee Corbo
You know what's funny?
Ted
Astronauts on Sesame Street.
David Lee Corbo
I was in Walmart yesterday and I was passing by the kids clothing section and like on the T shirts, the graphic.
Top Lobster
I'm not sure this stuff fit you.
David Lee Corbo
All of it, but it's like.
Top Lobster
Can't get it over my head.
David Lee Corbo
A little loose but. But it fits. So there's dinosaurs and then there's planets. There's dinosaurs, plants, dinosaurs, planets. Both are.
Top Lobster
And now mushroom. They like to do the mushrooms now. That's, like, the thing that's also included.
David Lee Corbo
Don't you have some stupid mushroom thing I saw the other day?
Top Lobster
Yeah, dog. They're like, what, shorts?
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah. Shorts with mush. Yeah.
Top Lobster
I didn't buy them.
David Lee Corbo
You did.
Top Lobster
But they're on everything. So it's like, what are you guys after?
David Lee Corbo
I don't know what they're after.
Ted
But you see, the mushrooms are real. At least these mushrooms are real.
David Lee Corbo
That's true.
Top Lobster
But there's a. There's an ink. He's like. Vince is like, I'm on them right now.
David Lee Corbo
You. How did you know?
Top Lobster
There's a weird interconnectivity between mushrooms, aliens, outer space, dinosaurs, and the globe Earth. Like, these things all run in a direct line. And once you pull the plug on one of them, they all start to kind of like, fall, like, flat earth. When I started looking at it in. In, like, taking it serious in that manner, I was like, whoa. Dinosaurs aren't really, well, a thing.
David Lee Corbo
They do these things like Ted is alluding to. It's like they get you when you're really little and they indoctrinate you, and then.
Top Lobster
Well, they get my kids, and it's like, what am I supposed to tell my kids? Like, they. Dinosaur shit's really cool.
David Lee Corbo
Well, you know what you tell them? You say, put that axolotl down. That's about transhumanism. I try to tell them. Right now, they're pushing. This is. There's probably a lot of parents listening to this. You might find that your kid is obsessed with axolotls.
Top Lobster
Vince likes this. He's a.
Vince
He's just into this after he's done.
David Lee Corbo
Well, I'll make it quick. Then. The axolotl, just trying to look into its regenerative capabilities, and they're trying to figure out how to take that sort of genetic structure and apply it to human beings so that we have, you know, whatever, longevity. But it's all about transhumanism. It's about transcending our mortal form, figuring out how to live forever in some way, shape or form. And right now, the axolotl is at the. The. The center of their research. And then all of a sudden, they're like, you know what? Let's inject it into. And I think that probably means that it's viable in some way, and they want children because in generations to come, they're gonna go, hey, yeah, sure. These. These injections that we give you. They're a little bit weird, but, like, we got it from the Axolotl, baby. You guys remember that? So cute. And so they do that. They prime the.
Vince
So to that point. If the Earth is really a globe, why would you need to push it on the toddlers and the little kids?
David Lee Corbo
What.
Vince
What use do they have to know that it's a globe? They don't understand on that level yet. All right?
Ted
And also, retard.
Vince
Yeah. So why would you push the fucking globe in their face? Right. Unless you have to brainwash their hard drive deeply from the get go. I believe. You know, when you're a kid, everything you learn, it gets, what do you call it, scrapped into the hard drive way deeper than when you get older.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Vince
Because if they don't do that, then the kids will be like, no, I don't believe this is a curve. I don't see any curve. I see flatness. You know, so they need to put that in when they're young. That's why. But I think, yeah, we, we get.
Top Lobster
Into that idea with MK Ultra programming. And I mean, you know, our idea about the telepathy tapes, but all this stuff, the schedule. We're not gonna. I'm not gonna say schedule.
David Lee Corbo
There's a certain schedule schedule that we're subjected to when we're little.
Top Lobster
And it's. But it's got to start when you're young and even, you know, SRA survivors, this stuff starts. Yeah, yeah. You know, the SRA stuff starts at conception almost.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
So they're. They're carving these neural pathways within your brain so that way they can program in a certain way. The earth, the round earth stuff is. Is actually kind of light considering everything, all the techniques that they've. Yeah, well, they've implemented when I'm talking.
David Lee Corbo
About that, like, air of intellectual superiority that comes from the experts and the mockery comes from the people who have been indoctrinated since childhood. Because when you're faced with something that breaks the paradigm that you were subjected to from babyhood, your. Your only reaction is, and I'm this.
Top Lobster
Baby, heard a word.
David Lee Corbo
Babyhood.
Top Lobster
Okay?
David Lee Corbo
Now since. Since babyhood, and I'm sure Ted gets this all the time, and probably you too, Vince, now that you're, you know, on. On X engaging with these ideas, you either get mockery or you get people pretty angry because you're threatening a thing. So it's like if they don't perceive you as a threat, then they're gonna laugh at you, but if they perceive you as a threat, then they're going to get upset with you. So that's probably the two main things that you're going to end up dealing with. And anybody who's in the conspiracy realm disseminating risque ideas is going to be the recipient of either mockery or somebody that's like irrationally pissed off when you go like, damn, dude, why are you so mad right now? I'm just telling you, like, have you ever seen it curve dog?
Ted
Yeah. If you were. Seriously, if you just thought we were stupid, you would pass the post by and keep going onto something you enjoy. There's something that, like when your soul hears something that it knows is true, but you want to deny it, you get triggered by it. Like, it's like if someone tells you something bad about yourself that you know isn't true, you're fine with it. Like, this dude's a idiot. I'm clearly not that. But if they tell you something you know is true, it triggers the out of you. Cuz you know they're right. So that's why they have to stop and comment. And I love pointing that out all the time.
Vince
And that's why they get so pissed too. It's like, why. Why are you so angry? I mean, you. You claim you sit on the truth. You should be calm, you know, you should be like, ah, these are retards. Let me move on. They don't get it. The Earth is a globe. But you know what I realized? These piece of shit people, they're either NPCs, Agent Smiths, or energy vampires. I think the most certain thing is that there are energy vampires. So you have to tell them, listen, I will feed you when I want to. Hater o are here to rile me up so I can feed you back. You know, like a feedback loop. They want to suck your energy. But I want to say this, this is a very important thing. I don't know if you guys know, but I have implemented a thing to myself where I am the jester. Okay. No, I did this. Yes.
Ted
You didn't make it obvious at all.
Top Lobster
No, I'm kidding.
Vince
I did this with my debate with FtFe. I ripped his asshole apart because there is a scar with my name on his forever. Because, you know, I don't know if you know who FTFE is. Fight the fan.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, that guy is a piece of shit. Yeah, I don't know if he's a piece of shit, but he's very gay.
Vince
He's a geek lord. He's a geek lord.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, he's very whiny, and he's. And he's very soft. And.
Vince
Raven, let me tell you this.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Vince
When my. When I did the debate with him, his tactic is just like the haters to. To call you names and make you feel bad and ashamed. Yeah. Geek Lord.
Ted
Super.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.
Top Lobster
Is this the guy here?
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah.
Vince
You should watch my. Listen.
Ted
He wish death on Vince.
Vince
He wished death on me. Yeah. This guy.
Ted
The guy picking his nose.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Why don't you click on him? I want to listen to him talk. He sounds. I'm gonna.
Vince
I'm gonna send you the link.
David Lee Corbo
Huh.
Ted
When he was on our podcast, he said assume, like 20 times. Assume.
David Lee Corbo
I. I want to say that he sounds like he looks, and I want to test that out. So let's let her rip.
Top Lobster
All right, really quick.
David Lee Corbo
And his response was. Yes. Well, he's got to have the. You know.
Ted
You can still hear him.
David Lee Corbo
And, you know, I was like, well.
Vince
That'S not very nice. I'll just get the attendant and ask them to get you to do it. You know, could you please just wipe.
David Lee Corbo
Down your equipment off.
Vince
Go and get the attendant then. So I went and got the attendant.
Top Lobster
This guy. This guy's talking about COVID right now.
David Lee Corbo
I don't know what he's talking about.
Vince
Oh, he's not covered with.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. I gotta say, in. In this day and age, if you have a faux hawk, you. You need to be power slapped to sleep. Yeah. And I'm not saying that I would do that or anybody I know would do that, because violence lobster.
Vince
In the private chat. I send you the link to my debate with him. I'm wearing a jester hat in the debate. Okay. And this whole stream, he couldn't do his regular tactic. I made him so pissed that he came on air and wished death on me. And I. I was so happy when that happened because I set him up for it.
David Lee Corbo
Okay, listen, listen. Actually, before we do that, this would probably be a good time to kick the pores out.
Top Lobster
Oh, yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Do you want to do that now? Yeah, I think we give him something. We dangle something in front of him, and then we go, nope, nope. If you had money, you could have it. Guys, you discussed me. It's now 47 minutes in, and we're going live exclusively to patreon.com/nephilim death Squad. If you want to continue watching, go over there. Rapidly do it, because we're about to watch whatever this is. Otherwise, goodbye to you, you filthy pores. All right, let's, let's, let's get into. I can see, I can see you wearing it looks like. Is that. That is a jester's hat. Okay.
Vince
Yes, that is a jester's hat.
David Lee Corbo
And what was the, what was the debate? This is just a run of the.
Vince
Mill flat earth slash moon landing. Some bullshit.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, tell me he doesn't think the moon landing was real.
Vince
Oh, he, he definitely thinks that.
David Lee Corbo
That's very embarrassing. Any particular spot we should go?
Vince
Yes, I got it ready here. So to get the context, you know, this whole thing. No, no, no, no, the whole thing is great.
David Lee Corbo
We go back and forth for four hours.
Vince
Yeah, but listen, what I want you to play though is the funny part where, where he said he wants me dead.
Ted
Huh?
Vince
Hold on. But you have to first play. Let me just say this. The stream ended officially. Okay?
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Vince
And then they play some music for the people that are still live. But we go backstage. Okay? So we're still backstage and we're still fighting backstage to the point where he's like. He wishes death on me. And I'm like, hold on, will you go back live and say that to the people? He's like, yeah, I'll do it. And the moderators like, alright, let's. I guess we go back live. And then we did. And he said it there. So I want you to go to 3:49. I think that's when it's closes. They close the stream officially.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And then see like there's like a logo here.
Vince
Yeah, yeah. So, okay, so we close down.
Ted
When that's done.
Vince
When that's done, we go back at 356.
David Lee Corbo
Okay. 356. Go to 356.
Vince
Yeah, 356.
David Lee Corbo
I can't believe you that in a four hour debate.
Vince
That's nothing though.
Ted
This two streams for like 12 hours at a time. Why Ridiculous. I know, it's absurd. It's fucking.
David Lee Corbo
No, no, pause it positive.
Top Lobster
Okay. All right, we're back. We're good to go. Let's put this.
Vince
Yeah, now, now we come back from backstage to live again.
David Lee Corbo
I like your outfit.
Top Lobster
You brought Freddie Mercury with you this time.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Vince
And Michael.
David Lee Corbo
Well then we're back then, I suppose. Go ahead. And you can, you can tell them exactly what just happened.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
What's.
David Lee Corbo
What, what are you saying, Craig?
Vince
Let's go back. Are we back on stream?
David Lee Corbo
We are. What are you saying, Craig? What's.
Top Lobster
All right, this has gotten.
Vince
Tell how bad I am, Craig. Tell how bad I am as a human.
David Lee Corbo
I will, I'll Tell everyone right now, because I said it on my stream, right?
Vince
Vince is nothing but a drain on humanity, a burden to society. Genuinely, the only way that he could.
David Lee Corbo
Benefit and improve society is if he died. I'm not telling him to kill himself or anything, but that is the genuine.
Vince
Only way that he could ever benefit humanity and is if he was not part of it.
Top Lobster
Dang.
David Lee Corbo
What did you. Why did you get him. Why did you get him so mad?
Vince
Let's look at that. Why.
David Lee Corbo
So, okay, if you pause it, he says, pause expected.
Vince
You said, why did you make him so mad?
David Lee Corbo
Why did he. Yeah, why did you make Craig so mad? Craig seems like a reasonable man.
Vince
No, because throughout the four years, none of his attacks really worked. And I attacked back. I called him a bunch of. I'm like, shut up. Shut up, sucker. Like, shut the up, Geek Lord.
David Lee Corbo
Shut up.
Vince
It's my turn. You keep on talking over people. It's my time to talk.
David Lee Corbo
Listen to me. Yeah, it's a Christian show.
Top Lobster
Do it.
David Lee Corbo
Take it easy. All right.
Top Lobster
This is not good.
David Lee Corbo
All right, I'm gonna take it easy. Reel it in.
Top Lobster
Put it away.
Ted
Bring it down a notch. Also, can we.
David Lee Corbo
You're.
Ted
You're like a 15. Can we bring you to, like.
David Lee Corbo
I appreciate.
Top Lobster
No, all the words were fine, but Geek Lord is a bit.
David Lee Corbo
That was the one that went far. I would appreciate.
Vince
I will just say I do believe in a creator, just not religion, but continue.
David Lee Corbo
Okay, all right, all right. No, you continue. Okay, I know.
Vince
I basically.
David Lee Corbo
Or else.
Vince
Listen, I basically. I basically bullied him back for four hours. He does all the bullying usually on others. He couldn't do it on me. And I think that was so frustrating for him that he just went to that place where he's like, I want you dead.
David Lee Corbo
This is weird, though, because isn't it super obvious that a man that looks like that who's bullying people online is only doing that because he's been the recipient of brutal levels of brutality, like, bullying.
Vince
I said that to him.
David Lee Corbo
This guy is like a walking pun.
Top Lobster
I'm sorry. I mean, it's just. The entire screenshot here is just crazy.
David Lee Corbo
It is a crazy screenshot.
Top Lobster
Like, what am I looking at?
David Lee Corbo
Look at how taken aback Freddie and Michael are. Yeah.
Vince
Playing a little bit more. Play a little bit more.
Ted
They're upset. They're sh.
David Lee Corbo
What's going on?
Vince
No, no, let it go. Right?
David Lee Corbo
What's going on?
Vince
We're all men here, man. You're not a man.
David Lee Corbo
You're scum.
Vince
You lie to people.
David Lee Corbo
You lie to vulnerable people.
Vince
You just said that you were a liar yourself.
David Lee Corbo
No, I didn't. I tested.
Vince
Yes, you did. Yeah. You said I lied to do this trick on him. You're a. You're a confirmed liar.
David Lee Corbo
Confirmed liar. But I told everyone exactly what I did.
Vince
You're still a liar.
David Lee Corbo
Yes.
Vince
You still lied. Like a piece of.
David Lee Corbo
Unbelievable.
Top Lobster
Vince, you're a real. I like you.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, my God.
Vince
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me tell you guys, I'm only an. If you're an. To me.
Top Lobster
Sure, sure.
Vince
You know, like energy. Yeah. If you is showing some shadiness and being really cocky, then I go double on you.
David Lee Corbo
I don't know that. That's.
Top Lobster
I like that expression.
David Lee Corbo
If you're cocky to me, I'm gonna go double on you.
Top Lobster
Quadruple.
David Lee Corbo
Unbelievable.
Vince
But see, you. You guys are nice, Ted is nice, and then we're all nice together. Right?
David Lee Corbo
Right, right, right, right. Well, I'm not trying to get double, so.
Vince
Are you sure?
David Lee Corbo
I'm very sure. I'm being super nice.
Top Lobster
This is a Christian show.
Vince
One miles and one.
David Lee Corbo
No. Oh, my God. Unbelievable. All right, Vincent, you had to cross the line. All right, so. So I want to ask you guys, so you know something very serious. Yeah. What I've heard about the. The. The final experiment is that all it does is disprove a certain model that people speculated would be the model you would expect to see if we were on a flat plane. But that's not the only model or something of that nature. So. So outside of the idea that potentially they just didn't go to this place or do this thing and they're in front of, you know, this mountain that is. You know, admittedly, I've seen the images. Very strange. I've seen the images of the shadows that don't make sense. Where it looks like if you've got a light source coming from a particular direction, why are these shadows going this way and those shadows are going that way? I've seen that, and I've gone. That's not how shadows behave. That's weird. But, but. But is there any room in the discussion for, like. Well, it just doesn't prove that model. But there are other functioning models of flat Earth that still, you know, are. Are standing strong.
Ted
Oh, absolutely. That's what I was saying from the very beginning. They may have seen that. I don't know. I wasn't there. I'm not saying they didn't. I'm not saying they did. I don't know these people. But just because they saw that doesn't Disprove. Like, some people have models that say this, and other people like Shane St. Pierre have models that completely explain it. With the firmament and all that and reflections.
Top Lobster
People like, oh, that's.
Ted
Well, go look at it. It shows you that we all live in our personal, like, atmospheric dome. And everyone's like, oh, Dom, flat earth. All it means is say, pick any number you can see. Let's just make it simple. 10ft. Just say you could see 10ft, right? You could see 10ft in every direction. So if you looked in every direction around you and the ground is what it is, whether you think it's flat around, that's a dome of perspective. So when you're looking and the sun is going by in one way, you're looking from your point where you are right there in your dome of perspective. That's all it means. But Shane has a whole model that. It doesn't, it doesn't say that it doesn't work just because they saw that. And again, they could have seen it. They could have not. I don't know, I wasn't there. It doesn't, it doesn't really matter to me because again, there are things that even if they did see that you cannot explain on the globe theory. You just can't, because reality tells us otherwise. So even if we were wrong on one part, or some people were wrong, it doesn't get, okay, you're good. Even if you say, you gotta win. Now let's move on to the other 125 facts that you can't disprove.
David Lee Corbo
So there's this idea that if you, if you don't believe in the model that's given, then you are beholden to then present a model. That it's like, if this isn't it, then what is it? It's like, dude, I don't know what it is. I just know that I'm looking at a bunch of idiosyncrasies here. You're claiming X, Y and Z. That's provably false. Therefore your, your model is incorrect. And then all of a sudden it's left on you to prove this, to prove another way. And it's like, you know, to prove that you're, you're, you know, your model is wrong is one thing. But, yeah, to then have to be like, well, here is what's actually happening. Which is, I think, where a lot of people get in trouble, right? Even in just any other conspiracy that's the case. It's like, I see elements that somebody's hand is Moving things and orchestrating things one way or another, whether it's geopolitically, whether it's culturally, whether it's, you know, symbols in the music video. And then all of a sudden, because you notice these things, there's a type of individual that turns to you and goes, well then what do you think is going on? And it's like, it's like when you say like, I don't know, they're doing. Who is they? It's like, damn, I don't know. I just recognize that what they're telling us is going on is not what's going on.
Vince
Exactly.
Top Lobster
Well, have you guys, have you guys ever spoken with Topher Gardner of Biocharisma?
David Lee Corbo
No.
Ted
No.
David Lee Corbo
No.
Top Lobster
He's got some interesting work because you've been, you've kind of been talking about this idea of the dome and this dude has, I guess he has multiple companies. But what he really specializes in, specializes is, is in dome building and, and manufacturing. The creation of like these like, it's like, like a home, but it's shaped like a dome. And he plays around with different geometrical shapes, like different sacred geometry from stars to like other patterns that create like you know, just pure tension between metal rods. And this, this is even done with sticks at some point like in, in antiquity. Like. But the point is that it, it's, he believes it's also a reflection of what we live under.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
And why it works so beautifully because the tension of a dome doesn't allow for like external pressures to really mess with it. Even, even pressures below, like earthquakes. It's resilient to that. And it's, it's like a mimicry of, I don't know what they call it. The, this, the tabernacle.
David Lee Corbo
Oh yeah, the tabernacle. The idea that the tabernacle from the Bible was a miniaturized replica, two scale replica of, of the firmament that God sits above. And I mean, you know, there's something to be said about the, the shape of a dome.
Top Lobster
It's not just, it's not just like the geometrical shape and it's the structural integrity of the thing. It's when you're inside of it as well, the acoustics that will resonate within a dome or, or other kind of like cathedral like places. You'll see them a lot of, a lot of times in, in religious architecture they'll have like domes or other like tartarian type buildings and that's to manipulate the sound that goes on in there. And it's just, it's, it's it's an interesting overlap when you look at that. And then you have to then justify, like, a round Earth with some sort of an atmosphere. Or you can kind of look at what the Bible is saying is like, well, why does this work so well on this reality? Why, like, why is it, like, as above, so below that? This structure seems to be. Exactly. This structure seems to be the one that, you know, it's just. It just works better rather than you'll live in four square walls. But it's kind of like. It's kind of like, you know, a loony bin.
David Lee Corbo
It's, like, dependent on. On right angles that if any one of them failed, the whole structure.
Top Lobster
Yeah, exactly. But, you know, whereas a dome would be built in a. In a much more simple manner.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah.
Top Lobster
And it's just a better structure.
Ted
Have you seen. You were talking about old buildings and structures. Have you seen where people have recorded the resonant sound inside a cathedral or something? And then they amplify it on a Cymatic plate and it happens to match the pattern that's on the stained glass window? Like, so Topher.
Top Lobster
Topher is the guy that interviewed that lady. She's. Yeah. So what she did was inside of this cathedral. I forget. I think it was like a Catholic cathedral.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
She went in there and one built.
David Lee Corbo
Supposedly in the Dark Ages.
Top Lobster
Yeah. What. What they do is she measured complete silence in the cathedral, and then she recorded it. Then she played that recording and repeated that same process seven times until she's playing, like, six layers of silence over itself. And then from there, she took a mix of all of those recordings, all seven of those, played it on a Cymatic plate. And it just so happened that the vibrations matched up to the patterns on the. The stained glass. So we're like, what the hell is actually going on in these places?
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
And. Yeah, I don't know. Like, we were trying to pick his brain. Like, hey, is that the chicken or the egg? Like, what happened first? Did they design. And he thinks it's about. He thinks it's about frequency. These people knew. They understood that this frequency would create maybe some sort of resonant feeling in the. The occupant of the building designed the building that way. And just so happened that, like, it just continues to reflect itself fractally all the way down.
Ted
It's all frequency, man.
Vince
You know what I think it is? I don't think it's a physical thing. It's just like a barrier, just like a video game where you can't, you know, have you seen the firmament walls? You're talking about the firmament? Yeah, I don't think it's a physical thing. We, our frequency, whatever we are, we can't go past it. It's like blocking us. Just like a invisible wall in a video game. You can't go past it because it's.
Ted
The end of the realm.
Top Lobster
Well, yeah, that talks about like the levels of, well, the seventh heaven. And some people think that this is like a dome and then above it is like another dome and then there is like, you know, they say God.
David Lee Corbo
Is the most high, meaning in the seventh heaven.
Top Lobster
That's where he resides. Yeah, literally, like, literally physically, like up the most high. And we can't traverse these things. I think we can, I think we can traverse it. Maybe it's a possibility. Like when we do DMT mushrooms or.
David Lee Corbo
Whatever this was doing at the Tower of Babel.
Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, the Tower of Babel, that story, is that like a building that goes up high? Is that a stargate that could kind of traverse through there while you're on this.
Ted
Real quick, hold on, let me ask you. So in the Bible it says that God destroyed the Tower of Babel because people were coming together, building a structure, trying to reach him? Correct. That's the rough overview of it. What do you think he would do if you tried to shoot rockets up in the air?
David Lee Corbo
Well, I mean, hopefully he would, he would smack them down and throw fireballs at us. You know, I mean, I was actually going to bring that up because I know Vince is saying he doesn't think it's like a physical thing, but when I watch Those, you know, SpaceX launches where it looks like it's splashing against some sort of a viscous material, looks like it's, it looks similar to a boat traveling across water from a top down view.
Top Lobster
Well, we have one coming. I think Sunday. You're in Florida too, right, Ted?
Ted
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Yep. Oh, they're gonna launch another one.
Ted
I can still see him. Oh, here we go.
Top Lobster
Yeah, it's, I mean, right by. Right by us, we'll be able to see this. I think Saturday or Sunday. Gotta look it up. But the last one that I did see that he blew up, that he threw up, they celebrated it and it just blew up. And it looked like it hit the firmament. It looked like it hit something physical.
Vince
Yeah, but guys, have you seen the rocket, the private rocket or something?
Ted
Yeah, the go fast rocket that hit it and it stopped. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's, it's it's like there, there's a barrier, whether it's real or digital or whatever, but it seems like it gets thicker first and then it slowly becomes a solid barrier. And I've heard people, and I can't say if it's true or not, but supposedly someone who used to work for NASA leaked stuff through emails, talking to people, and they were talking about, yeah, basically 70 something miles up, which happens to be the same height that that rocket went to, that they can't go past that. And they were like, well, why can't you? And it's like, oh, we're not allowed. Well, who won't allow you? And then they didn't want to answer it, like they physically could, but they weren't, they weren't granted access or whatever. So I don't know if it's a vibrational change or what it is, but.
David Lee Corbo
I mean, well, that goes to that Werner von Braun headstone thing. I don't know if that's a, if that's ever been confirmed or if that's just.
Top Lobster
That's true. That's the reality.
David Lee Corbo
Like, I've just been lying to people, which I'm comfortable with. But this idea that on Werner von Braun's headstone it says like, God showeth his handiwork in the firmament, you know.
Top Lobster
It'S just a scripture of quotes. The Bible.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And it's like, okay, so this dude who dedicated all of his time to space exploration, by the way, a Nazi taken over here in Operation Paperclip, around the same time that all the weird shady starts happening, you know, the CIA development and MK Ultra programs and all this, he spends his life dedicating it to space exploration. And then in the end he puts a, a Bible verse on his headstone that talks about the firm of it. It's just, you know, the whole thing screams. He's trying to tell you on his way out, maybe, I don't know if he's experiencing remorse or some shit like that, but we just go like, anyway, and then you just keep, you just keep going. You watch NASA's fake and stupid shit. Like, one of the things with NASA that always gets me is when they show an image of the globe from space and you know, what is that Elon Musk quote where it's like, it looks so fake. That's how you know it's real. Yeah. And for some reason the continents are always of varying sizes. Like sometimes Florida and the United States look so big that you're like, North America would account for like 80 of the globe. If that. If that model that I'm looking at, that's even better.
Vince
The Red Bull jump.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, that one I'm not familiar with. What happened on that, Ted, you probably know about.
Ted
He went up and. Well, first, before I go into the Red Bull Jump, but remind me, you were talking about Werner von Braun. And. Yes, it's Psalms 19:1, which we all know. 9, 11, 10 being the perfect number. Alistair Crowley. 9 on one side, 11 on the other. It's all tied in there. The one that happens to point out their lie and all that, which, yeah. Aleister Crowley also had a hand in founding NASA with the butt babies out in the desert and all that.
David Lee Corbo
It all comes back L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons. Jack Persons works for, like, a jet propulsion laboratory, which is a subcontracted company that NASA uses. And he's like, a huge Crowley advocate. And he's in the desert trying to summon in Babylon the. The sort of the divine feminine that I think we're all being plagued by.
Ted
And then the. And then Walt Disney, he's the other one who had a hand in it. So these are the people who started all your. But, yeah, the Red Bull Jump, it was over New Mexico. He goes up and supposedly. And people are like, look at the.
David Lee Corbo
Curve of the Earth.
Ted
But you can line up the geography, and that would be Planet New Mexico. Like, the curb literally would be just in the state. It's absolutely absurd. And when it opens up, it's what it would be. And when the capsule thing opens up, when it's not the GoPro on the outside, you see from the inside, the horizon's flat. Not only is it flat, but it's at eye level, exactly where it was on that camera before he came off the ground. So the horizon people have lined up those images. It's the same now. If you're on a ball, the higher you go, the horizon would be further and down because you're on a ball, it would be dropping away from you. It wouldn't be staying up at eye level, but it does. No one's ever seen it go anywhere else.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, that. I love that. Everything they ever want to show you, too, is like, that's a fisheye lens, dog. That's a fisheye lens. Over and over again. I'm like, that's a fisheye lens. But that. That proportion thing is, like, super inconsistent. Like, super inconsistent. Like, I remember watching something where it was, like, hurricane season and. And they were tracking a hurricane, and they were trying to say, like, look at how big this hurricane is. From, you know, whatever the satellite image. And I'm like, yeah, that hurricane is one fifth the size of the planet. Like it was so big it didn't make any sense at all. And then I'm looking at like the continents and I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. Like none of this makes sense. And it's like they'll do that over and over again. It makes me wonder where the first introduction of the globe would have been into like the public awareness. Like, who did that? Where, where did we first see that? Because I remember seeing something that was like Universal Studios had in their logo the image of the globe that was like predated us actually getting satellite imagery of the globe. And. But it was like somehow Universal Studios knew. And I was like, is that, is that real, dude?
Ted
Yeah, I think it was in the 20s or 30s. And then no one went up anywhere until, you know, they went to the moon. Basically the only time they were far enough away in or 60. So it, it's all man. How did they know?
David Lee Corbo
Universal Studios just knew, dude. They just knew, dude.
Vince
We all know the government's lie about almost everything, right? Why do we trust them on this? Why would they tell you the truth on this?
Ted
Because I've seen the curve with my own eyes, bro.
Vince
Yeah, where?
David Lee Corbo
Well, that's, let's go there. And I have, we've talked about that in the past. It's like there's a cognitive dissonance between people when it comes to this, this topic. People are pretty comfortable, generally speaking. If you go around to them in the streets and you were like, do you believe that the government lies? And they'd be like, yeah, dude, yeah, yeah, of course. It doesn't matter. Young or old, you know, male or female or, you know, is some sort of in between gender furry. They, they're going to pretty much respond unanimously. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if you're betting, you know, 100. That's probably not the expression. What's the baseball?
Top Lobster
A thousand.
David Lee Corbo
Sure, you're betting a thousand. When it comes to people saying, yeah, the government lies. But then if you went like, do you think they lied about the shape of the earth?
Top Lobster
But about what?
Vince
No, right?
Ted
I mean, NASA, that's, you know, that's not. You do is say it's NASA.gov. go ahead. That's where it is.
David Lee Corbo
That's it.
Ted
It's a government man.
Top Lobster
Vince, you. Do you think you lean. It seems like you lean more into this being like a simulation of sorts. Is that where you're at yes.
Vince
I never really want to say 100%, but on this, I think I'm going to go and say 100%. Yes. I think this is 100% simulation. And we're trying to build another simulation within the simulation, and that's going to be built by Satan. And once you connect your brain into that simulation, which is indistinguishable to reality, that's when Satan is God in that realm and you are its slave, and you are now in hell. That's the goal. I believe that's. It's all going towards that. But there's a lot, I think, you know, I worked with VR, you know. You know, have you guys tried VR headsets?
David Lee Corbo
I haven't tried VR headsets in a really long time. I got, like, super hot and nauseous. Yeah.
Top Lobster
Last time I tried it, it was. It was still rudimentary, but I was like, I don't like this.
David Lee Corbo
I know. They're killing it now, though, like, right now. Dialed it in, and it's a good time.
Vince
But listen, why you're feeling nauseous. Everybody pretty much feels that, because your brain, it really thinks it's over there. Even though the graphic is blocky and all that shit, it doesn't really matter. It still think it's in a blocky realm. You know, like, reality got blocky. So. So when you move in there, your. Your brain thinks you're moving, but it's getting some wrong codes back. Like, your body is still standing, but we are moving. That's why you're getting nauseous.
David Lee Corbo
But I'll go.
Ted
No, I was gonna say this is that video that you and I talked about before, about having. I'm sure you guys have seen it. Have you seen that? The arm sounds weird. The hammer and hand experiment.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ted
It's insane.
David Lee Corbo
You know, I want to do that to my son. That's a great idea. So for the audience, it's like, you know, they'll. They'll. You'll put your arm inside your shirt, and then your empty sleeve, they'll put a fake arm, and they'll. And you'll tell you to put your. Your palm on the T, and they'll put the palm of the fake arm on the table so it looks like your arm. And then what they'll do is they'll start, like, touching it with, like, a feather or something like that. And they're like, can you feel that? And people are like, yeah, dude, I could feel that. And then eventually they whack it with a Hammer. And everybody is always like, holy crap. Like they react, like they just.
Vince
I got it here. If you want to pull it up, please.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, play that. It's such a great experiment. It really shows you, like, the ability to hijack our psychology.
Ted
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, don't worry. We need to refresh.
Vince
I don't hear you guys.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, you don't have to refresh. Refresh. You gotta refresh. That's also gonna bring his, his, his thing with it. But honestly, I think I'm gonna try to do that to my kid. Oh, wait. It just requires a fake arm. I don't have one of those yet here.
Vince
Let's advance back to this stream yard, man, is where it's at.
David Lee Corbo
This episode is brought to you by streamyard. We would never say anything bad about stream yard. The stream yard is the best. Okay.
Vince
Yeah, you're right. It's the best.
Top Lobster
I gotta take this. This down.
David Lee Corbo
Okay. That's what's going on. Problem.
Top Lobster
Gotcha.
David Lee Corbo
I gotta bring down the debate.
Top Lobster
Here we go.
Vince
Okay.
David Lee Corbo
To train your brain to believe that.
Ted
Can you play it at faster speed? Yeah. All right. Cuz it's a little long, but 125 or 1 5? 15 probably.
David Lee Corbo
Let's do 1 5. ARM is your arm. You see, we've got this divider here. So right now you can kind of see your arm. You see the arm there? I'm going to cover over part of your arm. Now I'm doing that because your eyes talk to your brain and your eyes tell you this is what's happening. So now can you physically see your.
Vince
Arm, your right arm here?
David Lee Corbo
No. Great. So I'm going to take these two classroom rulers. So we're going to train the sensations. You feel the rulers touching your hands because it's now becoming one with your mind that this right hand is your right hand. Right. You are believing that as I drag the ruler on your right hand there.
Top Lobster
It totally feels, in fact, in your.
David Lee Corbo
Brain, right hand, hand.
Top Lobster
Crazy sensations.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Coming up with each finger. What?
Top Lobster
Yo, this is crazy.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Vince
You know, hold on. You know what I think it's doing? When he touched the real hand outside of you, it is calibrating the fake hand.
David Lee Corbo
Yes.
Vince
In his mind.
Ted
I'm pretty sure we all get that.
David Lee Corbo
No, but I mean, that's a good way of putting it. Like calibrating, I think is a great way of explaining that. Yeah, he's. That's why he's kind of going through it. It's like when you have something that used to be calibrated Remember your iPhone used to have to be calibrated for touch? You would have to recalibrate your touch screen occasionally.
Vince
The old school.
Ted
You'd have to do that even for your. Your directions on your phone, sometimes your maps. It would tell you to move your phone in a figure eight because it couldn't figure out what was north and south. And so.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a similar situation because our minds are just hyper complex. Like quantum machines.
Vince
Yeah, exactly.
David Lee Corbo
Right? Yeah. Feel the knuckles. Feel each digit. Okay. This is where. Now I'm gonna do this one more time to train your brain, okay.
Vince
And soon it's gonna be creepy.
David Lee Corbo
Okay. Yeah. And your next finger.
Top Lobster
Middle finger. This is nuts.
David Lee Corbo
Ring finger. Can you pause this real quick?
Top Lobster
Does he just come out of nowhere with the hammer?
David Lee Corbo
Well, well, yes. You know, for the listeners. For the listeners, there was a calibration tactic that was happening where he was simultaneous. Simultaneously touching the dude's real hand while touching his fake hand in the same places. So he would draw the correlation. Now he's no longer touching his real hand, and the guy still feels a physical sensation when he touches the fake hand. But that really throws into question the narrative that we get when it comes to, like, nerve endings are responsible for your. Your. Your feelings. Any sort of sensation of touch and pain is determined by your nerve endings. But if your nerve endings aren't actually receiving any actual signal like that, and this guy's still feeling it, then what are they lying about that dude?
Vince
Ted and I got a video regarding that subject as well.
David Lee Corbo
But let's fascinate.
Vince
Let's just see when he brings the hammer, because his brain now. His brain has now accepted the plastic hand as its hand.
David Lee Corbo
By the way, it looks like a fentanyl addict, but please, most likely now you're gonna feel it when I tap it.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
Feel that?
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. I'm gonna let you in on a little cigarette. I have not been using the other ruler. What? You feel that? Yeah. I'm not using the ruler. Oh.
Top Lobster
What do you. I mean, that's crazy.
David Lee Corbo
It's not.
Top Lobster
Whoa. Whoa. Even like, oh, no.
David Lee Corbo
Oh. We're going to do a little test now. Again, this is all.
Ted
Watch his fingers on the left of the screen.
David Lee Corbo
Your brain is thinking that it's feeling it.
Top Lobster
Okay.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
So even if it gets a little.
David Lee Corbo
What would be considered painful? I will not be harming you because, of course, I'm not going to be actually hitting your right arm. But your brain really believes that this isn't.
Top Lobster
He's, like, bracing.
Ted
He's hoping his Other hand will do that too.
Vince
And it will.
Ted
Watch, watch. What's his hand.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, whoa. I'm totally feeling it in this hand.
Vince
It feels.
David Lee Corbo
It just. Oh, let me tell you something. Wait, pause real quick for a second. I was like, maybe this dude's a crackhead, but the way his fingers on his real hand are jumping as the guy hits the fake hand. Right. They're so reactive that it's not. It's so in sync perfectly with being struck with the hammer on the fake hand that it. I don't believe it is instinctual. I don't believe he's faking it. It looks instinctual. It looks like a genuine reaction. That's. That's fascinating.
Top Lobster
It's also hard to move your fingers that way.
David Lee Corbo
Yes. Unless you're hurking jerking because somebody's.
Ted
That's what I thought. I put my hand and tried to do it, and I was like, oh, yeah, it doesn't work because my other fingers move when I try to do it.
David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, yeah. And they were all moving individually, just for the audience sake. On audio, he's using a small reflex hammer on the fake hand, and it's causing a reaction in the real hand. That is fascinating. Okay, that's just one thing. But.
Vince
But going back to the virtual reality headset, so I was working on making the music for Tarzan VR, so I got to play around with that thing.
David Lee Corbo
How is that Tarzan VR.
Vince
Yeah. It's a goofy game, but okay.
David Lee Corbo
All right.
Ted
That's what he does. He composes music. Soundtrack.
Vince
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Okay. That's cool.
Vince
Great composer. Yeah. So, yeah, I am so. I was. When I was in that place, after a while, I got used to the. The. Yes, yes.
Top Lobster
I'm sorry.
David Lee Corbo
I just like that. I like unabashedly being like, I'm a great person.
Top Lobster
I am the best.
David Lee Corbo
I'm the best.
Vince
I have my reasons. I'm not delusional. Delusional. I know why.
David Lee Corbo
I mean, if you're. If you're hired in the occupation of composer, I believe you've got to be good at it.
Vince
But hired or not is not the point. Listen, listen. If Cardi B got 5 billion views, she's. She's a strip artist.
David Lee Corbo
That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Vince
But what I'm saying is, even if.
David Lee Corbo
You don't pay me, I am the best. Yes, yes. Because you know why?
Vince
I could make Bohemian Rhapsody, and if nobody heard it, it's still Bohemian Rhapsody. Do you know what I mean?
David Lee Corbo
I don't think that's how it's pronounced.
Top Lobster
Oh, it is Bohemian Rhapsody.
David Lee Corbo
No, but you understand.
Vince
Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, I could compose the best composition in the world.
Top Lobster
Mamma Mia. Mamma Mia.
Vince
Yeah, but if nobody hears it. If nobody hears it, it doesn't really affect the quality of the composition.
David Lee Corbo
For sure. Yeah.
Vince
Anyway, going back to the VR headset.
David Lee Corbo
Okay. Yes.
Vince
I quickly started to think, hold on a minute. Why am I right responding to when I'm jumping off a cliff in the video. Video game. Why does it feel like I'm jumping off a cliff?
Top Lobster
It doesn't get that in your stomach.
Vince
Yeah, yeah, the butterflies. Remember when you made a somersault when you were a little kid?
David Lee Corbo
I still do that now. We talked about that.
Top Lobster
It's horrific. I wish you'd stop.
David Lee Corbo
Nobody likes it when I do it.
Vince
But guys, I will tell you, it's a great way. Like let's say you're afraid of heights. I think this will lessen that because it actually your brain thinks you're in a skyscraper high as fuck, you know, so. And also jumping out. The first time you jump out of a skyscraper, it feels like you're jumping out.
David Lee Corbo
Right.
Vince
But eventually you get used to it. So if you're in any situation need to jump out of a skyscraper, you will now be a little bit more practice.
David Lee Corbo
Well, let me ask you that, Vince. You know, you're working on this and you're. I imagine you're doing it over and over again because you've got to get the music just right to the jumping off of the cliff. So do you find that it deadens that response?
Vince
What do you mean by that?
David Lee Corbo
Do it make it feel less than your tummy, like the music? No, no, no, no. Through repetition. In the VR headset.
Vince
Yes.
David Lee Corbo
Does it make that feeling go away?
Vince
Yeah, you. You're more used to it and it's like. It's cool, you know?
David Lee Corbo
I wonder if that happens.
Top Lobster
They would trans in real life too.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, well, I understand that, but I'm wondering if that would translate or if it would. If you would start from square. I mean, it probably does have to help a little bit, right? Like if you were to be skydiving after that, you would maybe feel a little bit better about it.
Ted
Or even say you would ran VR of having your wife divorce you over and over again. It would be easier when it actually happens, you know, I've been through this. It's old hat, man.
David Lee Corbo
Honestly, you have no idea. That could be for some guys out there.
Top Lobster
That feels great for us. We're on the fast track with this podcast.
David Lee Corbo
The more we do this podcast, the more I feel. Papers incoming. Right? Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, maybe I should be doing that.
Vince
Just prepare myself, guys, compared to when the first time you started doing podcasts. Compare that to now. How much more comfortable are you now?
Top Lobster
Compared to, oh, how much more dead inside am I now? Oh, yeah, we're just putting it on for you guys.
David Lee Corbo
It's like a lot like, who do we show them to?
Top Lobster
Show them your teeth. Go ahead, show them the smile.
Ted
His mouth was smiling, but his eyes are frowning, but you guys know what I mean. That dude's a Antichrist.
Top Lobster
All right, I'm sorry, Vince. Vince is being. He's making a serious point here. Shut up.
Vince
Yeah, you're getting more comfortable. So you're right, Lobster. In everything in life as well. The more you do it, the more comfortable. But it just proves you to you that a. There seems to be a connection between VR and this. Like. Yeah, how the fuck. How the fuck can this video game thing trick your brain to believe it's in another realm? How? Unless the VR thing is tapping into something reality is doing, but in a way lower way.
Ted
That's the thing that actually started making me. Because I never believed in simulation. I laughed at it before because we know the Earth is flat, blah, blah, blah. Vince would say, oh, well, all programs are written on a flat plane. So that ties into that. And then, so he started showing me some. And we were talking about these electronic hands where they. You can put a bracelet around your wrist.
Vince
Let me bring it up.
Ted
But as you move your hand, the electronic or the electrical firings in your wrist tell this fake hand to move. And the way you move your hand just by sensing these electrical firings are making that move.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Ted
So then it led me to think about that everything our brain perceives is also just an electrical firing. Everything. So is it a reality? Is it a simulation if it's all electrical anyway? And if I do believe it's a simulation, it's a simulation beyond anything we can grasp.
David Lee Corbo
As you know, we have.
Vince
After we show this. Ted made an excellent point about this. Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
How long until somebody jerks off with it?
Ted
Five, pretty much, but. Yeah.
Vince
Right. Okay, so watch this. With her mind, she will move this hand.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And for the listeners, we've got an amputated individual with a. With a severed hand walking around on the floor. She's got a robot. Oh, it's crawling. Yeah.
Vince
Like a bionic. Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
That's pretty dope.
Ted
Yeah. So it's sensing what their brain would be telling in electrical firings into these things and it's moving their appendages in that manner.
David Lee Corbo
You know what, though?
Top Lobster
It's the same theory that Neuralink operates on.
Ted
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
David Lee Corbo
Telekinesis and telepathy.
Ted
Yeah, about what?
Top Lobster
Yeah, look at this. Is that the. That's not the guy from the sign commercial? Tony Wu?
David Lee Corbo
You literally just think all Asian people look the same.
Top Lobster
He looks exactly crazy.
Ted
Real quick, hold on. You know what's up about that, though? I thought that too. And the other night my wife had on. I mean, I thought that my whole life.
David Lee Corbo
Dude, listen to me. This is the show. All right, Sorry.
Ted
This isn't okay, though, though.
Top Lobster
You thought it too, though, right? When I saw him, I was like, he's about to pick up a sign.
Ted
But so last night, my wife loves watching those true crime shows and there was this Asian dude on there. And I'm like, I've seen him somewhere before. That looks like the dude that was in Austin Powers choking him out, blah, blah, blah. You're racist. I mean, my wife didn't tell me that. She would never tell me that. She knows better. But it is him. It really was the dude from Austin Powers. The Asian dude in the bellhop outfit that chokes him. Ended up kidnapping and raping some and became a UFC fighter in all this. And what. Yes, I swear to God, what an illustrated career. I know, bro. He. We thought he, he had hit his peak early with Austin Powers, but really.
David Lee Corbo
I thought with the rape.
Ted
Well, that was after. That's what I'm saying.
Vince
Okay, can we go back to the arm, can we go back to the wrist, arm thing?
David Lee Corbo
Please, please.
Vince
Okay, this is meta facing. Yeah, meta Facebook. Yeah, they got this wristband that will read your nerves, whatever. The nerves that you, you know, whatever your brain sends to your hand, they read. That converts it into bionic code, computer code, robot code. And the robot code makes the same movement from your brain like what you're thinking now doing with its bionic hand. So if you're thinking of moving this finger, it will do that with your mind. So Ted made a really interesting. Let me pull this back a little bit so we see him. He made an interesting thought about that. What if in the future, Ted, maybe you will say this better?
Ted
Yes. So if they're able to decipher that code in one direction. Right. So they can, they can pick up the electrical firing or the code or whatever, and they can make it do something. That means they've been able to identify it. So they can identify it Separate it from everything else and know how to use it. How long will it be until they can reverse that and stop that frequency? And then they can just put a little collar around you and your brain can't send a signal anywhere else.
Top Lobster
I don't think it would even be a collar, man. I think that's an. That's an implant.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
But, yeah, whenever. Whenever you're seeing like they just made a car recently that's like, oh, this car can't go past a certain miles per hour. It was like, well, I don't want that. I don't want a car. I got an old. I got a 2019 Subaru.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
With the, you know, an actual ignition crank. Because I'm just like, good for you. I'm done with the key stuff. I'm done with all that, like the computers in the cars. My dad's car wouldn't start the other day and he had to, like, do some weird stuff to do the push to start button.
David Lee Corbo
I'm just like, that's why I want something old too. But. But it does. It reminds me of, you know, I.
Top Lobster
Always shout out this shout out Chaney with Subaru, I'm just.
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah. I mean, assume she has Subaru. Yeah, she's actually one that recommended. So.
Top Lobster
So look, Vince doesn't get it. He's like, I don't.
David Lee Corbo
Hold on.
Vince
How does that electric car tie into the color of block? You know, blocking.
Top Lobster
It doesn't at all. This is my show. I do whatever I want.
David Lee Corbo
Let me tell you something, Vince. In America, in America, lesbians drive Subarus. Vince, that's not a joke. Yes.
Top Lobster
We don't even allow Vespas out here.
David Lee Corbo
All right? Unbelievable. We wouldn't let a lesbian drive a Vespa in America.
Top Lobster
Reckless. How it ties in is that there is. There are levels of control, like to your vehicle, to your hand. Like, I'm. I'm imagining your fridge that's tied to Bluetooth tooth. All these people that want all this stuff, like a smart home. I'm like, yeah, it'll lock you out of your fridge when it decided you're too fat.
David Lee Corbo
I want a home. I don't want a smart home. It reminds me a lot of those experiments they did on the cats. I know I bring this up all the time, but in the 90s, they were putting very simple electro, like, you know, what do you. What do you call them, computer chips on a cat's brain. And all it was doing was sending an electrical impulse or not, and they put it on the center the, the parts of the brain that were associated with aggression. And so they found that they could trigger the cat either into extreme bouts of aggression by just sending a simple electronic pulse, or they could send it into, you know, being completely docile, so no matter what you did, the cat wouldn't react whatsoever. And now we're gonna let this put a computer chip in our brains. And I think that, that everybody's overlooking the, the direct access that it gives where it's, it's not just like augmenting you so that. What's the guy from Back to the Future that played Marty who now has the shakes?
Ted
Michael J. Fox.
David Lee Corbo
Michael J. Fox is a little bit shaky. So I'm sure if they put neural link in his head, he'll, he might stop and we'd all be like, how profound. But they could also just stop Michael J. Fox. So you could, you know, do all kinds of terrible things.
Ted
Hello. Over his wings.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, you could do. Put a pillow over his face. You could, but him. And he would not respond whatsoever. So people aren't. It's, it's strange that we're barreling towards this and we're going to allow this dude to do an invasive thing in our, in our heads. Have you heard? Go ahead.
Top Lobster
I wanted to go on because what you're talking about, like when, when you say simulation theory, I immediately think, what a right.
Ted
But then I go, that was my first thought too.
Top Lobster
Yeah, but, but you're right, because this, this realm is ruled by like weird electrical synapses. It's frequent frequencies. Yeah, it's. Yes, it's all electrical. It's all like radio. It's like waves, things that we can't necessarily perceive. And, but, but then again, to boil it down to like a VR headset, it's like. It's not that either.
David Lee Corbo
No. Well, that's the thing that pisses me off with, with simulation theory is the idea that we made Grand Theft Auto 5 and then we're like, this is all a simulation, man. And it's like, no know, we are capable of creation and we're, we're made in the image of God. And so the things that we create, even inadvertently emulate or mirror, mirror what God has created. There's a fractal nature to reality. That's where you get that idea of like, as above. So below. What happens in the macro also exists in the micro. That's why quantum physics is, is a, you know, a big thing, but it's still reductive because what God has done far exceeds any Simulation that we ever will be capable of creating. And so in that way, it's just a little bit it annoying because I'm sure people who created like a medal of honor for PlayStation 1 looked at that and we're like, dog. Maybe that's what it's like. Dog.
Top Lobster
Just like that.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah. And they couldn't even. They couldn't even conceptualize Grand Theft Auto 5. So whatever God has created here exceeds our understanding. And I think that's why we're told not to lean on our own understanding, because as soon as we think we got it, we're just like bastardizing it. And so what. But to your point, Vince, like, yeah, yeah, this was a creation and there is a creator or a programmer. Even calling him a programmer is reductive because there's so much more at play than just computer programming here. But, but yeah, I would agree with you. There is a lot of shit where you, if you start to look at it real closely, you go, wait a second here. Something. Something made this. This realm. You know what it is though? It's like a lot of people that are willing to engage with simulation theory would sooner have claimed atheism than Christianity. And I'm not saying that you have to be down with organized religion, but it's like the thing that they share in common sometimes is a disdain for Christianity.
Top Lobster
Well, what, what atheists share in common also is round Earth. It's like, yeah, people. And they'll get real insulted with you whenever. Like, you know, I was, I was kind of messing with Cliff High a little bit, but other people. And I'm just like, hey, how do you feel about being on the same intellectual footing as Sam Harris and Neil Degrasse Tyson? And they're like, screw you, man, and they block you. I was like, I didn't insult you. I just said like, these are the guys standing side by side with you saying the same thing. Yeah, it's like, well, maybe you should read. And that's, that's like a little bit of a logical flow of an argument. But there's something to it also, right? Yeah, you're surrounded by homos.
Ted
It also goes back to like the whole if they think it's ridiculous. Like, if you think that's true, how can I trust anything else you believe? Because, yeah, you're, you're just listening to idiots that are failed actors and comedians that they put in the spotlight. And we're like, hey, you're gonna push this now, right?
David Lee Corbo
But, but when, when quantum physicists say like, yo dog, we've We've peeped like code. It looks like there's like code written. So I don't even understand what the.
Top Lobster
Even the guys that were doing with the lasers, with the laser, they were like doing dmt.
Ted
Yep.
Vince
Yes.
Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, but it was like ancient Enochian, so it's not ones and zeros, it's something a little deeper. But it. I guess at its. At its core level, the fundamentals are the same, but.
David Lee Corbo
Building block, that's why. Go ahead, Vince.
Vince
I wanted to push back, maybe towards you, Raven. Okay, first of all, I absolutely believe there is a creator. God. Okay, whatever you want to call it, doesn't really matter. It's the same thing. It's responsible for everything, everything. Like the console, whatever, the programmer, console, whatever, that's number one. Number two, I think you said, like, you don't think there will ever be a virtual reality that can match actual reality. Yeah, I think they will not only match reality, at some point they will surpass it. Meaning they will crank up the resolution even beyond realities, make it look. Look better. You can do all kinds of sick shit that you can't do in this reality. Like all of a sudden a dragon comes in your face and like fucking fireworks, like magical shit. They can do that in a virtual reality where here it seems like it's restricted a little bit. So think about it. If everything is fucking electrical signals, that means they can hijack all of your five senses from this brain right here, hook it into a fantastic virtual reality that you will not see the difference between reality and that.
Ted
Like, let's say if they may already have.
Vince
They may already have, but I do think they're heading towards that, at least a new one. And if they clean slate, wipe your memory when they throw you in there, you would not know that you were in a virtual reality. You would think that is your actual reality. And in fact, maybe that's happening when we go and dream, we visit other realities and. And for that time when we're in there, we think that's real. You know, like. And then you wake up, oh, that was just a dream. Thank God. You know, depending on what the dream.
Top Lobster
Was, sometimes might be real.
Vince
If it was like you were riding some. Anyway.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you like. I don't.
Vince
Was that a dream?
David Lee Corbo
I don't think that you're. I. Now that you said that, I think that you are likely correct that we could create something that is dynamic and fulfilling in some ways not fulfilling, but like amazing. And, and as far as our perception goes. But I think once you start incorporating the idea that we exist parallel to and integrated with a spiritual realm and that there are heavenly realms and that there are things that like, like people have dreams where they visit realms that they think are more real than what we're experiencing here. Right. Or, or people have near death experiences where they go to something that is more real than what this is. So I think that they're. We're in this realm and it's capped for a reason. This is what we're meant to be experiencing here. Well, to Vince's point though, if anything did create something like Satan created a VR and reminds me a lot of Mother Horse Eyes.
Top Lobster
Yeah, you guys, you guys should listen to that.
David Lee Corbo
It's like we tell everybody, listen to Mother Horse Eyes. I actually, Vince, specifically, you'll love it. It's, it's. Hear me out. It's 10 hours, but I listen to the whole man. Well, you, you, you do the, the stream for 12 hours, so you're fine. Just look it up. Mother Horse Eyes. It's actually, you can find it on our feed on Nephilim Death Squad. Go and subscribe.
Vince
But on your Patreon or where.
David Lee Corbo
Well, you can find an audio.
Top Lobster
Yeah, it's for. You could listen to it for free as well, but it's online. It's. It's everywhere.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's. It's. Wow. Incredible. Basically, long story short, it's a guy who did a lot of drugs and had a bunch of experiences and then documented all the experiences. And it's like he's like, you know, I'm leaving it up to you. But it seems like he lived several different perspectives for a moment in time and then wrote about all of them. And some of them are in the future where these people are consistently plugged into this VR and their bodies are rotting. Right. But they've got like this VR headset on and they're in an infinite plane of, of pleasure and awesome experience, but their bodies are rotting and they're in these hygiene tanks where they're pissing and, and that people have to come and do maintenance on them because they smell so bad and all this. It's actually like kind of horrifying, horrific. But they are locked in. Everything is about gooning. Everything is like jerking off. Everything is based masturbation. It's constant, constant, constant. But you're going through these like really well fleshed out story lines and unbelievable graphics where you're looking at the minutia of everything and it seems so real.
Top Lobster
But sometimes within the simulation or within your, your Interface. These people will come across things that have like more profound effects. Like there's a couple of stories where like, I don't know, he doesn't necessarily say it, but I'm like, oh man, it sounds like you ran into a biblical angel. Like the, the guy, all of a sudden his eyes multiplied to like 2 4, 64 uncountable. And yeah, he's like, he has got multiple heads. So it's like when you read the Bible and the angel interfaces with Ezekiel. It's a wheel upon wheels.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
With eyes surrounding. And it's like, nah, dude, you're seeing something that is in a different dimension.
David Lee Corbo
It's interesting because the way he describes it, wheels upon wheels, right. You think about like a geometric shape and then the way that they describe these kids who can perceive four dimensions and then they put them into a four dimensional VR and it's like shapes, like rudimentary geometry, but it's moving in ways and that doesn't make any sense. It's phasing through and it, it's actually like very jarring. They hate experiencing it.
Top Lobster
Some people go crazy, some can make sense.
David Lee Corbo
But it's interesting because you go wheels covered in eyes, wheels within wheels. You go, that's interesting.
Top Lobster
What are you gonna say?
Vince
Vince, you mentioned out of body experience. There's this guy, I think he's on YouTube, Darius J. Wright. He's a guy that claims he can go out of his body on demand. I mean, on, you know, whenever request. He's like, I lower my heart rate so low that eventually my body is still alive, but my soul leaves. But anyways, so he says when he goes out of his body, he is going out of a firmament kind of a deal. And out there he's surrounded by other souls and everything is nice and great over there. And he says over there, you guys just decide to create a reality and then jump right into it. And he also says, you out there, your soul is the one that is creating these experiences. But once you jump in, you, you forget about it, of course, because you have to. Otherwise, like, if you know your, what you are out there, you can't really experience this reality for real. You know, you have to forget about what you are to dive in here and then learn shit about it. And God knows if you do go.
Top Lobster
That that's what the people are doing in this, in that story. They're. The hygiene beds are like, they'll turn them a little bit it and they have alarms that'll go off in their like interface that tell Them, hey, time to move around. And a lot of them figure out how to disable these things because they'd rather be within that interface. And that's.
David Lee Corbo
It's. But.
Top Lobster
But what you're describing is, like, so some dude's doing this in the Astral, and. And then they're also working at breakneck speed to make this technologically, like a thing that you can actually press buttons on and get to without, I don't know, meditating or fasting or whatever techniques this person's doing.
David Lee Corbo
Binaural beats. Yeah.
Top Lobster
Yeah.
Vince
Oh, yeah.
Top Lobster
I think Sam would say.
David Lee Corbo
Sam triple. Let me say that they're.
Top Lobster
They're hardwiring mysticism.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah. That's one of the things that I go. Yeah, Sam. Sam nails it sometimes. Hardwiring mysticism is. Is. He nailed it on that one. Yeah, Yeah, I think. Go ahead, Vince.
Vince
Can I show you the video? This is actually two minutes, but I speed it up. But it's Neil DeGrasse Tyson and this guy Jim Gates way back in 2010 or something, talking about finding computer codes in reality.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
Where has this pursuit taken you? Oh, my God. Where have you landed? Why would you ask that? I'm asking that here and now it's New York City. It's March 7th. Well, partly it's taken to these very strange images that are behind your head right now. These are pictures of equations. I've been, for the last 15 years trying to answer the kinds of questions that my colleagues here have been raising. And what I've come to understand is that there are these incredible pictures that contain all the information of a set of equations that are related to string theory. And it's even more bizarre than that, because when you then try to understand these pictures, you find out that buried in them are computer codes, just like the type that you find in a browser when you go surf the Web. And so I'm left with the puzzle of trying to figure out whether I live in the matrix or not. Wait, you're blowing my mind at this moment. So you're saying. Are you saying your attempt to understand the fundamental operations of nature leads you to a set of equations that are indistinguishable from the equations that drive search engines and browsers on our computers? That is correct. So wait, wait, I'm still. I have to just be silent for a minute here. So you're saying as you dig deeper, you find computer code writ in the fabric of the cosmos into the equations that we want to use to describe the cosmos? Yes, computer code. Computer code. Strings of Bits of ones and zeros. It's not just sort of resembles computer code, you're saying it is computer code. It's not even just is computer code. It's a special kind of computer code that was invented by a scientist named Claude Shannon in the 1940s. That's what we find very, very deeply inside the equation.
Vince
Now hold on, there's one, one minute here with him again here, right here. Listen to this. Because he makes a great comparison to the movie Matrix. Listen to this.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
We're now at a point where some really interesting things are going on. First of all, in Geneva, Switzerland, there is a scientific laboratory called cern. Cern. And at this laboratory they have the world's most powerful particle accelerator. In fact, it's sometimes called the Big Bang Machine. And if any of your viewers have seen something like Angels and Demons, the movie, that big scientific installation in the movie is cern. And so what's going to happen at this location are a set of experiments, experiments where physicists are going to actually see if these mathematical switchings that we talked about earlier, whether you can detect that in the laboratory.
Vince
Now listen to this.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
If that happens, then we would know that our equations are not just mathematics, but they're also a description about our universe. The other thing that's going on in my career is a little bit weird and I'm almost a little bit loathe to talk about it. I don't know if you or your viewers, and I'm sure some of them have gone to the see the movie the Matrix, but in the Matrix there are people like us. They live in a world that's kind of like our world. And the only thing about their world is it's not what it seems. Because the totality of everything that people experience is generated by a computer. So it's a virtual reality. Well, some of my research can be interpreted to suggest that we live in such a world. And that's just kind of mind blowing. So by studying the equations that, you know, that I've been knocking around with forever in the last five or so years, I've been able to show that hidden inside of these equations there are computer codes. They're the kind of computer codes that make browsers work. And so if the equations that describe our reality have computer codes hidden in them, that's just kind of weird.
Vince
Now listen now.
Neil deGrasse Tyson (clip)
And in fact, it's so weird that I like to tell people, let's go back to the Matrix movie. If there were physicists in the movie movie, and they want to know they were inside the Matrix. How could they do that? Well, one way might be to try to detect computer codes in the equations that describe their world, but that's what I've just proposed.
David Lee Corbo
See? Okay, so. So this is all very fascinating and I have a couple things to say on it. I'm. I'm skeptical of this and not the findings, but I'm skeptical of Neil DeGrasse Tyson because he's a homosexual man. I'm skeptical of the the Matrix because it is Gnosticism formed into entertainment for the masses. And it was written by two people who are now trannies. And what I think is actually happening here is they escape the Matrix. They escape the Matrix. Now they're ladies. But. But they're not uncur or incorrect about their findings. They're just incorrect about the nature of their findings. I find it remarkable that science and the technological community can poo poo God and things like that. Even though for countless ages is a bunch of different religions have been saying that this realm was created by a creator and that we all go someplace else and that there are alternate realms around here. And then science comes along and it goes, well, actually this is what's going on. And if you look at the. The Matrix, the film the Matrix, it is about the demiurge, the ancient AI that is subjecting mankind to some sort of slavery experience is the demiurge. And that's what Gnosticism has dictated God is. God is not benevolent and loving, but he is actually the. This horrifying programmer, this AI, this demiurge that seeks to enslave us and lose us all. And it's b. It's, it's. It's a strange thing that we found ourselves in recently where everybody is waking up to this idea. But it's like this. We talk about it on the show all the time. It's like nine truths and one lie. There is a tremendous amount of truth in what we just were exposed to, and a tremendous amount of truth in Gnosticism and a tremendous amount of truth even in these other religions. But there is one fundamental lie and it's the nature of it all. And that's where I think things go a little bit scary. And I'm not saying that that's what that guy was saying. And I also am not saying that that's what Neil DeGrasse Tyson is saying. I think he's gay, but I don't think that he's got like an agenda per se. But I've seen this a lot and it's it is Gnosticism, rebranded for a modern age.
Vince
I would say if anything, it kind of confirms that there is a creator. Like, if this is a simulation and it is. If, if, if it is cold, then something has made that code. Whether they want to push that or not doesn't really matter. If they confirm that this is a virtual reality, then somebody has to have done it. You know, somebody has to have programmed it. And that's the God, that's the supreme being, you know? You know, I used to be an atheist all my life until a few years ago. I don't remember exactly what went. But I had this question. I told Ted, he's like, tired of this story. But I had this question, if there is a God, then who created God, then who created that God that created that God that created that God? I was like, this can't be. You know, I have no answer for this. So therefore I'm an atheist now. Because, you know, I couldn't answer that question, who created God? God created. Until I realized that nobody created God. Because God do not live in a beginning and an end. It's just an open stream of time. It's just reduced that for us in this virtual reality where we get born and we die. I tried to apply that rule set to the creator, which is dumb. Okay? That's dumb. The creator just put a limit on time for us. That's it. But when we go back, it's endless again. So therefore, that means nobody created God. It has always been there. And that turned me into a God person. I'm not a religious person. I believe in God.
Top Lobster
Yeah. The definition of the word eternity means like a long period of time, but it still means time.
Vince
Right?
Top Lobster
So it's like, well, what is that like? Because we have no, really. We have no good words to conceptualize. We have no idea how to conceptualize it because we're on the. We're on the line going this way and that way. But I don't know, if you, if you read the Bible, you believe in the scripture, these fallen that have. That begun this story of from Genesis 6 to all the way through now, they're already judged. So they've already admitted to what they're going to do. They've already done it and they've already been judged. It just hasn't been played out because time is just. It's not the same. Right. Like, for us right now. So. So for us to, like, question that or even to compare to, like. Well, because this is like code that I could look up porn on My browser with. Then it must be the same thing. It's like yes and no, you know, but. But the fact that. That there are building blocks. Like something interesting. I was. I was listening to something about the Shroud of Turin and they were. They were able to identify Jesus's blood type. And it was a very rare blood type type. And then it got me to thinking. I'm like that specific type of blood. Whatever makes that up probably has to be that way in order for him to.
Vince
But lobster. Can I ask you, how did they do that? Like his blood type from the.
Top Lobster
From the shroud? I have no idea.
David Lee Corbo
Supposedly, you know, supposedly sort of sample.
Vince
How can I trust that though?
Top Lobster
You should. I'll send you episode. It's. It's a crazy. It's a crazy story. How could you trust that it is the shroud? How could you trust that it is. Is him that was buried in it? So on and so forth. There's. There's a lot of evidence that I think that it was. But even so, if this was this guy's blood and he was here doing a specific set of things, he would have had to been made up of something particular to transmute our reality in this way. And I think that goes all the way down to your blood. Like the way RH negative bloodlines can interact with the supernatural more readily than other people. People with red hair and blue eyes, that kind of genetic makeup that it just. It is what it is. They're more likely to have these experiences because of that. They're like building blocks. Ones and zeros.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. That's why, like dualistic. Yes. You know why numerology works? And I do believe it works, even though I think it's gay. And you know, shout out to Gary the numbers guy for being a. But the reason that I think numerology works is because it. What we've done here is we've made an observation about the realm that we inhabit, which is that somehow numbers have a great deal of sway over different things like personality types and outcomes and things like that. And it seems like the elites are constantly trying to get things to line up, numerologically speaking, because they know. Well, it's because numbers are part of the fundamental building blocks that God used to create this universe.
Top Lobster
Yeah, the dome. The idea of the firmament. There is a specific angle, so that way the downward and side pressure will not crack this thing. It's all angles, numbers.
David Lee Corbo
That's really what it is. This like an egg, this right here. And I want to say, Vince, I Have been. I was not always religious and I'm still not religious. I mean, I go to a church for the first time in my life as of recently, because I'm trying to see before I knock it. But I, I came to this place after, like Gnosticism and, and, you know, all these different ideas. I've been a conspiracy theorist for 18 years. 18 years. 18 years now. Now I came through that direction and, and this right here is actually what I found. Shout out to Nancy. Producer Nancy says Jesus is the cheat code. The, the version of Christianity that we have been given is very gay and very, and very unappealing. And it's not until you look at it with a different lens that you begin to understand like, oh, this thing that they've made quite an effort to make. Make corny and make gay. There's. They're doing that because there's something here within it that is not just like, you know, I go to church and they don't talk about this. I go to church and they just go like, look, man, it's about being humble, which is, which is true. And it's about like Jesus Christ came as a serpent. He was God made flesh, and he came to us as a servant. He came to serve, he humbled him.
Vince
You guys are pretty humble. Yes, yes. I like it.
David Lee Corbo
I would say so. And so there's like a lot of things.
Top Lobster
The most humble.
David Lee Corbo
Humble.
Top Lobster
I'm the best at being humble.
David Lee Corbo
But all of this, this, these ideas about like fallen angels taking their place as lowercase G gods among the people and deceiving and all these different things, they don't talk about that. And once you have some context for that, like, I would recommend looking into like Gary Wayne or somebody like that. You might find that you'll go, oh, this does explain a lot. And this is not what we're getting from mainstream Christianity or Catholicism at all. But we are at the two hour mark and Top keeps giving me the fingers. Not like, but like, like that.
Vince
Final thing.
David Lee Corbo
Please, no, give us three final things.
Top Lobster
We gotta have you guys first off, we gotta have you guys back on because it's just, this is fun.
David Lee Corbo
This is a fun conversation.
Top Lobster
You're in Australia, Germany, wherever, Italy, whatever. Very unfortunate.
Vince
I am Italian.
Top Lobster
Show us the. What you're gonna show us.
David Lee Corbo
What are you gonna do?
Vince
Okay, so this was, this is. I, I connect this to time. Okay, watch this.
David Lee Corbo
Wait, no, I don't think he's showing us this. Is he showing us this?
Vince
Hold on. Do you see that?
David Lee Corbo
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Vince
Whenever I Pause it, it disappears.
David Lee Corbo
Wait. Oh, yeah, that thing.
Top Lobster
Mm.
Vince
Whenever I pause it, it disappears.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
Top Lobster
Okay, so right now he's showing us like a weird pixelated. It's almost like a magic vision thing that he's playing as a video. And it has a shape, like a circular shape moving.
David Lee Corbo
Looks like a ring moving. Static.
Top Lobster
When he stops it, it's.
David Lee Corbo
It just blends in.
Top Lobster
Yeah, that shape's not a parent anymore.
David Lee Corbo
So you can only detect it in its movement. Are you saying that this is a thing, like a metaphor for what we're unable to detect because we live in the moment?
Vince
Oh, yeah. This is what I'm gonna say. And Ted has heard this five billion times too. But I have this thing about the present. Like the now, the past and the future. Again, all three of those states do exist and do not exist at the same time. So if we look at the now, you can be in the now, but once you try to capture it, it's already out of your hands. Whenever you say now, it's gone.
David Lee Corbo
Gone, now, gone.
Vince
But it still exists. But it doesn't. The past has existed, okay, in the form of your actions. This, that, whatever memories, photos, whatever. It exists, but it doesn't exist. Your action in the past might come back in the now and fuck with you. So the past exists and it doesn't exist. So then you go to the future. It does exist in the way that it's coming to you, but it doesn't exist until it comes to you. So all three of those states both exist and do not exist at the same time. And going back to this video here that I showed you, I think this was a great visual representation of what I just said. Because in this video, if you pull it back up again, you can only see all of its movements when all three states is in play. Like the future, the now and the past, making all of the. Like when, you know, remember those fucking old movies, they go. They go from one frame over here to the middle and to the like.
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Vince
So the only way you can see this is if all three states, the now, the past and the future, if they're all activated. But once you stop all that, it disappears anyways. It's a retarded little thought thing.
David Lee Corbo
I. I can see what you're saying. It's like existing in the now. Like only this moment. Like if you try to freeze that moment, it. Well, you can't perceive any of it.
Vince
Even the now stops if you pause it. Like they all three are connected to each other. Like the future. The now and the past. None of them is more real than the other. They're all as real and they're all as fake. Dualistic. Yeah. You can end it now.
David Lee Corbo
All right, bro, thank you very much. That was one. Well, before we end it, I do.
Top Lobster
Want to get a car crash. Right?
David Lee Corbo
Honestly, we want to do it again. Even more so before we get out of here, guys, where that.
Top Lobster
Where.
David Lee Corbo
Where can everybody. Oh, wait, no. You know, I gotta ask everybody one more thing.
Top Lobster
Oh, yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Do we have time for it?
Top Lobster
I guess so.
David Lee Corbo
Are you freaking out about the time over here?
Top Lobster
Well, a little bit of truth. Yeah. My wife called me. She's like, where are you? And I was like, I didn't answer you.
David Lee Corbo
He didn't answer her. Oh, it's after five o'.
Vince
Clock.
Top Lobster
That's why those divorce things that we.
David Lee Corbo
Were talking about, that guy who said that, preparing. Do you have a divorce VR?
Top Lobster
Make me the divorce VR where I'm just, like, fat in a room with just the tv.
David Lee Corbo
All right, well, I'll ask you one last question, but please don't be long winded. Vincent. Jesus.
Ted
Yeah.
David Lee Corbo
Are you guys having fun?
Vince
No.
Top Lobster
Why not?
Ted
I mean. I mean, here or in general.
David Lee Corbo
That's what everybody says. Everybody just like. You know, just like in general.
Ted
But the answer is yes all the time. If you're not having fun in life, change your goddamn life. Because you're doing it wrong.
David Lee Corbo
Because that's What. What country are you in? Vince? Yeah.
Vince
Sweden. But I'm Iranian. Persian.
David Lee Corbo
He'll. Oh, he's.
Top Lobster
He's a liar.
David Lee Corbo
He is.
Ted
Colorado.
Top Lobster
You want to know how I got these scars? Like.
David Lee Corbo
Well, I just wanted to invite him to Bohemian Grove, but he'll never make it.
Ted
He.
Vince
Listen, Ted, tell us our goal. Our goal is to get me to the United States.
Ted
I may marry him. I don't know, sponsor him for a job, something to get him here.
David Lee Corbo
All right, Because I need to be.
Vince
I need to be in the America. Okay.
Ted
He knows more about America. I know we're late.
David Lee Corbo
Just.
Ted
Just for next time. So to give you guys a little thing. Have you ever thought about how all the craters we see on Earth that they tell us are meteorites that hit and cause impact craters. They're all at perfect 90 degree angles, and there's 200 of them proven on Earth, which there happens to be 200 fallen angels. Maybe those craters are the fallen angels descending to Earth.
David Lee Corbo
I literally never stop thinking about that. I think about that.
Ted
I only think about it when I come.
David Lee Corbo
Every time I come.
Vince
Yes, to answer the question. Are you having fun? Absolutely. You know why? It's all about dynamics and being on the same place. You know what I mean? Like with some people, you don't get that and therefore it's not as fun. But when you're more in line mentally and you don't. You're not sensitive and you're not a. Yeah, that's beautiful.
David Lee Corbo
Don't be a. I think that's a wonderful answer. Tap lobster. Do you want to bring us out?
Top Lobster
I love this guy. For first off, I love you, Vince. I love you, Vince.
David Lee Corbo
I love you.
Vince
Guys.
Top Lobster
Guys, thank you very much for coming to t to watch the show. This has been a nephilim despot.
David Lee Corbo
Until next time. The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is.
Vince
A oblong box in the corner of the room.
David Lee Corbo
It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.
Top Lobster
You can persuade this that what they.
Vince
See with their eyes is what there.
David Lee Corbo
Is to see.
Top Lobster
Because they'll laugh in.
Vince
The face of an explanation that portrays.
David Lee Corbo
A bigger picture of what and they have.
Date: September 5, 2025
Hosts: Top Lobsta, David Lee Corbo (aka The Raven)
Guests: Ted and Vince from the Phonebooth Podcast
In this lively, irreverent episode, Top Lobsta and Raven invite Ted and Vince from the Phonebooth Podcast for a deep-dive into conspiracy lore—particularly flat earth, cosmic deception, simulation theory, spiritual realities, and the overlap between classic conspiracies and modern tech. The conversation is full of banter, sharp-witted skepticism, spiritual insights, and plenty of sidebars that connect ancient biblical ideas with contemporary questions about the nature of reality, technology, and propaganda.
[03:09–06:15]
“This is easy. Grab a mic, get a camera, start talking to people here. ... We help them set up. We taught them how to use the stuff.” — Ted [05:48]
[08:16–18:47]
"If they can get you to believe that you’re on a spinning ball when you’ve never seen a curve and never felt the earth move, they can convince you of anything, like men being women.” — Ted [20:33]
[16:00–18:47]
[26:59–55:21]
“If you fake one thing, you’re faking it all. If they did see what they claimed to see ... there’s still many hurdles you have to overcome before you can make me believe we live on a spinning ball..." — Ted [37:14]
“Even if you did go there and see [the sun for 24 hours], that doesn’t disprove other models...” — Ted [55:21]
[61:53–70:18]
"Why would you need to push [the globe] on toddlers and little kids? ... Unless you have to brainwash their hard drive deeply from the get go." [41:25]
"...sometimes Florida and the United States look so big. North America would account for like 80% of the globe...” — David [66:53]
[71:17–98:20]
"If they confirm that this is a virtual reality, then somebody has to have done it. ...That’s the God, that’s the supreme being." — Vince [108:45]
[108:45–113:17]
"I had this question: if there is a God, then who created God? ... Until I realized nobody created God, because God does not live in a beginning and an end..." [109:37]
[115:46–118:55]
"All three of those states both exist and do not exist at the same time ... The only way you can see [the pattern] is if all three states ... are all activated." — Vince [117:00]
On Model-Building:
“If you don’t believe in the model that’s given, then you are beholden to then present a model. It’s like, if this isn’t it, then what is it?”
— David Lee Corbo [56:57]
On Reality & Perception:
“Our minds are just hyper-complex quantum machines.”
— David Lee Corbo [75:50]
About Social Media Flat Earth Wars:
“Not only presenting really fun information, but also slapping losers in the teeth, which was a lot of fun to watch.”
— David Lee Corbo [08:53]
Simulation vs. Creation:
“We are capable of creation, and we’re made in the image of God...whatever God has created here exceeds our understanding, and that’s why we’re told not to lean on our own understanding.”
— David Lee Corbo [93:00]
On Childhood Indoctrination:
“Why would you need to push the globe on the toddlers and the little kids?... Unless you have to brainwash their hard drive deeply from the get-go.”
— Vince [41:25]
On Flat Earth and Other Fringe Ideas Spilling Into Mainstream:
"Due to the dialogue on Twitter, more people are talking about flat earth than I’ve ever been subjected to. And it’s spilling over into real life."
— David Lee Corbo [17:46]
On Scientific Coding of Reality:
“What I’ve come to understand is that ... buried in [the equations of string theory] are computer codes, just like the type you find in a browser when you surf the web ... So I’m left with the puzzle of trying to figure out whether I live in the Matrix or not.”
— Jim Gates, via video clip [103:11]
On Gnosticism and “Nine Truths, One Lie”:
“There is a tremendous amount of truth in what we just were exposed to ... but there is one fundamental lie, and it’s the nature of it all. And that’s where I think things go a little bit scary.”
— David Lee Corbo [108:45]
The conversation is raucous, loaded with inside jokes, direct language, debate, and camaraderie. The participants blend irreverent humor with curiosity and skepticism, rarely shying from controversial or taboo subjects, but always returning to deeper philosophical or theological questions.
This epic episode exemplifies the modern “conspiritual” podcast—where subversive humor, biblical commentary, and technology critique collide. For listeners, it’s an enlightening (and entertaining) tour of conspiracy theory’s internet frontiers—anchored by an insistence on questioning official narratives, honoring spiritual realities, and never losing sight of the ties that bind the ancient and modern pursuit of truth.