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TIME CAPSULE: Ancient Demon History w/ Izzycentric
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Step into the shadows of history with this extraordinary time capsule episode of Nephilim Death Squad. Hosts David Lee Corbo and Top Lobsta welcome the brilliant and enigmatic IzzyCentric to the show for a captivating deep dive into the forbidden...
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Izzy Centric
We are in a country and in.
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David Lee Corbo
A world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.
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Izzy Centric
The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.
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Top Lobster
Oh, yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us try to be slaves. And everybody's just walking around heading the clouds. I want to wake up to a dead in the grave.
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Izzy Centric
Finally too late.
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David Lee Corbo
We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave only slave summer. Welcome back to Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That's Top Lobster. We are running late, but you don't deserve any better. Before we get into today's guest, I want to remind Everybody that the 30th, we are performing live with Sam Tripoli at the Joke Joint. Go and get your tickets before it's too late. Go to Sam tripoli.com, click on events, find the 30th and get those tickets. Come see us. And like a bunch of people that I don't even know. Everybody's coming. Clint Russell's coming. Josie, the redheaded libertarian. Juan, the one on one podcast. Thomas A Paranoid America. All these people are coming. Come and hang out.
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Top Lobster
None of these people are coming.
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David Lee Corbo
We've been lying to you the whole time. And guys, don't forget, go to the Patreon. Sign up at the five dollar tier. Not only will you gain access to our Telegram, but on April 3, we are doing the very first members only Q and A show. Top and I will be answering all your questions, which, if you want to submit a question, sometimes you got to do it on Patreon.
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Top Lobster
This show just feels like an ad sometimes. Like it's supposed to be like the main show we do. And I'm just like, this is a. The whole thing was an ad.
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David Lee Corbo
It is an ad.
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Top Lobster
It is an ad. I don't. God damn it, I hate it. Listen, we have a great guest with us. Izzy, what's going on, man? Tell us about yourself.
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Izzy Centric
Well, first of all, this video is brought to you by Ghost Energy. Sponsor me.
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David Lee Corbo
Please.
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Izzy Centric
Sponsor me. I would love it. Kidding. I'm kidding, obviously. No. So, you know, I just. I was supposed to have an interview with Bob Larson last week, and then that went complete sideways. Did you guys get to watch that, by the way? Because it was nuts.
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Top Lobster
No, no.
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David Lee Corbo
What happened there?
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Izzy Centric
Oh, he wanted to ambush me live. He got mad at me because. So here's what happened. It was supposed to be a discussion, and then the emails, because I was talking with his assistant. And then it eventually boiled down to this. Four hours from. Away from doing the debate. What it. Well, debate, right. Because it wasn't called a debate until I happened to look at his thumbnail in big, bold letters. It said, debate with Izzy Centric. And I was like, what the hell? And so I wit.
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Top Lobster
We almost got suckered into debate with fucking Jay Dyer. And it was supposed to be an. It was the strangest thing. Like, it was an interview. Same thing. And then all of a sudden, we got into a fight and he was like, well, now it's a debate. And I was like, wait a second. Wait a second. I run ads. I don't fucking do debates, bro.
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Izzy Centric
Well, that's what. So that's what I told the guy who was. Who. Who had apparently picked me. He was someone controversial. And it was really weird because, I mean, Bob Larson is the kind of guy, he's been around for a long time. And I actually gave Larson my phone number. We talked for like, it was almost 15 minutes. And Larson is. One of the first things he said was, well, what's. What's your deal? What's going on? Why are you not joining me? And it was just. It was so weird.
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Top Lobster
It was joining him in what. What is the debate? I don't understand.
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Izzy Centric
The debate was, I believe in reading the book of Enoch. And he got pissed off about that, apparently. And then I called him out in the phone call saying, well, you got Alexander. Well, I didn't say Alexander Pagani, but that's another one. And Isaiah Saldivar, the guys in the Deliverance ministry space. I don't know if you guys are familiar with them, but me and Isaiah are actually the same age. So I'm sitting. I'm not part of the Deliverance ministry space. I, you know, I'm a. I study demonology way on the other side, in another corner. I don't believe in associating myself with a specific corner. I'm just among the body of Christ. I don't like getting into the nitty gritty with, you know, I'm with this sect or that sect or whatever.
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Top Lobster
Well, that sect. It seems we talk about it on the show. That sec. Seems like people that kind of don't wanna. Don't wanna explore what's actually going on. They're very happy in their box. And as a, you know, as a Christian, before I kind of started learning about this stuff, you. You do feel a little bit disenfranchised because it's kind of like you guys have this book here and these extra biblical books, and you kind of just don't want to look at any of this stuff. Just. I don't know.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah. I mean, I even told. I was telling Larson. I was like, you know, the Book of Jude quotes Enoch directly, right? And he was like, well, we could talk about that on my show if you want. And I was like, okay, but you want to debate me, and I don't want to debate you. You're gonna have a really hard time fighting me, because I'm not gonna fight you.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, see, if to debate insinuates that you're both coming from, like, opposite ends of the spectrum, and. And this is all brought together by an argument, and it's like, well, honestly, you probably agree this is how I felt with Jay Dyer. It's like he said that he wanted to debate me, and I go. I struggle to see where we even disagree, and maybe you'd say something to me that I don't agree with. And I'd go, huh, that's interesting. Such a, you know, interesting thing to consider, but that's about all you're getting out of me.
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Izzy Centric
I.
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David Lee Corbo
The idea that I would, like, bury my heels in and go, no, you're definitively wrong. And here's why. Just in a realm where we're all kind of trying to interpret this reality that we inhabit, it seems wild. Such a wild thing to engage in.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah, it's. It's strange, man. I don't understand, because, you know, Jesus asks the disciples, is Christ divided? You know? No, no. Excuse me. Paul said that what Jesus said, the kingdom of Satan is not divided against itself. So, like, if. If we're sitting here getting defeat, hopefully not defeated, but attacked by the demonic, and then Christians can't even get along with each other. No wonder why there's over, what, 45,000 denominations now in the world.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
You know what's really interesting about that? You can draw a. And this is probably as far as the correlation could be drawn. But I do recognize there's an interesting parallel between what people identify as the left versus what people identify as the right. And the reason I say that is because obviously, there's a lot of nuances within these things. A lot of people on the left would say, we don't claim people who want to do Drag Queen Story Hour.
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Izzy Centric
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Those are our people. But if you look at it, it's like they are a united front, and then the right is very busy nitpicking over, you know, various different things, having to do with the Republican Party. So it just seems like the left may have a very different views.
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Top Lobster
Are you comparing the left to literal demons and the right to the Christian body? I mean, particular case.
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David Lee Corbo
It does draw an interesting parallel, so.
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Izzy Centric
Well, that's actually. It does draw an interesting parallel because, you know, and I see. You see where Ben Shapiro. Yeah, I'm bringing him in. Sorry, guys. He's a devil.
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Top Lobster
Here we go.
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Izzy Centric
He's brought in. He's tried to become like, the face the right with the Daily Wire. And then when he made that joke about Jesus Christ and then he added to it by saying, don't nail me with the picture with Jesus hands up. I was like, well, he just. He just lost a lot of followers because a lot of. A lot of people. You don't even have to be Christian nationalist to appreciate some of the Daily Wire stuff. Hence why even Candace Owens was a part of them at one point. But then when it just started going off the hinges and it's just. I think people were forgetting over time that Ben is not a Christian. So it seems.
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Top Lobster
It seems worse than that, though. Like, I mean, over the past year, it went from like, well, they're not Christians and they don't agree to. Agree with us to like, I feel like you openly hate us. Like, you openly mock us and literally do hate Christians specifically. But, like, I don't know, white people, it's it for me, for somebody who is an online racist, they're. My perceived racism that's coming off of them makes me uncomfortable. I don't know if it makes you guys. Because it's like, damn. Like, that's really how you feel. Like, that's awful, man. Like, what did I do to you?
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David Lee Corbo
There definitely seems to be something. And I can't help but wonder. We talked about it on the last episode. No matter how much Candace Owens, who I tend to agree with, I enjoy her. I enjoy her character, too, but it does feel like a character. And then recently she slipped in this whole, like, Christ consciousness thing where I'm like, all right, I don't know where we're going, but this whole thing feels like an orchestrated. And I want to get into the demonology because we did have an interesting episode with Tim Albarino, who we actually did kind of get in the weeds a little bit about the nature of. He's saying, not everything is demons, not everything is the fallen. And I'm saying, yeah, there probably is a lot more nuance. We just don't have the. The book. But before we. Before we get there, I Do want to mention. Go ahead.
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Top Lobster
Sorry, Izzy. You're actually the perfect follow up guest to Timothy because we, it was a struggle session almost for like two hours where we're kind of like, we're kind of making jokes about the Nephilim. We're saying, well, the aliens might be, you know, the Nephilim. And he's kind of like going back and forth. He's like, no, no, no. Then we ended up in a weird place, like, well, there are so many classifications of these things. Where do we begin? And he kind of said they possibly are Nephilim. So Nephilim, I know that you're big on, like fallen angels are not Nephilim. Correct. They're, they're the fathers. The Nephilim are the children. And then in that, in that category of Nephilim, there's so many subcategories that you can peek down. Like Tony Merkel likes to go down the role, the rabbit hole of cryptids being Nephilim, like Bigfoot, stuff like that. And I'm like, hey, I, I'm not sure, maybe. So you're the, you're the perfect guy to come on after. Tim, tell us about this stuff. What have you learned in your travels?
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Izzy Centric
Okay, well, first of all, I have yet to bump into an angel slash alien, which I believe that so, and I, I, I mix those up sometimes angel and alien. And the reason I do that, well, they both start with A, for I don't know. I watched, I did one video on, on this topic and I've mixed them up ever since. But here's, here's where it gets really nuanced is that just like there's a difference between fallen angels and demons, there's a difference between different types of aliens. And so you have the Grays, which I put in their own category, and then the human looking ones that they called the Nordic aliens that put in a separate category. Have you guys heard of the Nordics?
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David Lee Corbo
Yes, the tall, whites, blonde hair.
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Izzy Centric
Those are fallen angels. Now, not all of them are fallen. This is where it gets weird because Paul himself, Apostle Paul himself, goes as far as to say, be kind to strangers because you could be entertaining angels and not even know it. So we have these beings every day that walk right by us and you just, you don't know. Sometimes someone's discernment can kick off. And that might not even be a Christian. It could just be so, because, I mean, we're, we're all, we're all both flesh and spirit, right? We all are. And so some people's spirit kind of just starts to, like, see things. You see, you got all kinds of people that they get abducted since they were a child, and then they. They're never a Christian, and then they end up in, like, Stockholm syndrome. You guys know about Ayla Marzulli?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, we had LA recently.
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Izzy Centric
Really? I didn't know that.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, my grandmother actually was an abductee victim from childhood, and I think that she kind of was one of those people that went the wrong way. Maybe like a Stockholm syndrome. Like you're saying. What Top is about to bring up is very interesting because I thought of the exact same thing when you first started saying this. They're sort of preparing us. Have you seen this?
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Izzy Centric
Yes, I did, actually. What the hell am I looking at?
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Top Lobster
So there's a condition now where people are seeing people in real life, and their faces will. They're doing, like, a little, like, we emoji person to describe what the other person's describing. Eyes go to side of their head. Mouth gets real long. And this is a condition that people are having, and they're. They're saying, oh, it's a medical condition. And I'm like, that's not.
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David Lee Corbo
It might be demon face syndrome.
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Top Lobster
It might be a medical condition or it might be demons.
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Izzy Centric
Dude, that could be. That could be us looking right through the veil and then just see they live by John Carpenter. He puts the glasses on, and then he just sees, okay, that's not human. And he can't. He can't stop staring at him. He's just like, yeah, what? What the hell? He's. He's like, wait a second.
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David Lee Corbo
So I want to go back to something that you just touched on. You said that you put the grays in a separate category. This was sort of the butting of heads that at least I felt that I was having with Alvarino, who is a wealth of knowledge, awesome guest, but is very much, you know, I mean, he's done as much research as he has, and so I think he's very. Not set in his ways, but he feels passionately about his positions. But what I was suggesting was, and I love to know your take on this, Izzy, these Grays, do you subscribe to the idea that this is a sort of.
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David Lee Corbo
Biomechanical meat suit that can be inhabited by maybe the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, maybe to be able to more accurately interface in a physical way with this realm, with this dimension, with human beings. Whereas typically these things are sort of locked in a spiritual realm.
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Izzy Centric
Well, years ago my dad and I came to the conclusion, because my dad's obsessed with Genesis 6. We were talking about it and I said, I see them as almost like a Nephilim 2.0. Lo and behold, after hearing La Marzulli and hearing. And it's not just LA, but like there are people listen to the testimonies. Like, like Dolly the testimonies over and over again is like, I saw it, freaked out. And then it was just, it was just a flesh suit, like an astronaut suit. So we need that to, you know, not everyone subscribes to space. Especially like lately because everyone's questioning everything, which may not be a good thing. But hey, but like the concept of if we're going to leave this plane of existence, we need something to get out of here, otherwise we're going to be dead. You know, I mean, we go underwater, you have to wear something. So I mean, yeah, like for demons to actually be able to physically touch us. Also, this is extremely important to note as well. The reason why I make that distinction between fallen angels and demons is because demons would be, think, think about a Nephilim or a demon in their past life. They would be the perverted image of the face of God, right? They would be half angel, half human. And it essentially what they were trying to do was corrupt the incarnation. They didn't know how far away Christ would be. They didn't know when this Messiah would come. But they were trying to corrupt the Incarnation. That's all they were trying to do. That's why I like studying demonology, because it always points at the light. The darkness points at the light, darkness is absence of light.
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Top Lobster
So do you think. Do you think the major sin that they. Like, I. So the fallen angels that were locked away, are those the ones? Were those fallen locked away because they procreated with man? Is that, like, the major sin? Like, whereas Lucifer did not. He's allowed to still roam. There's still other ones around?
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Izzy Centric
Yeah, I would say so. I would say so. In fact, go as far as to. Okay, like, you know how people compare Sodom and Gomorrah to, like, today's time?
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Izzy Centric
Okay. Why isn't God nuked any of our cities?
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Top Lobster
Exactly. Because it's not. Why hasn't he flooded the entire Earth? Well, he said he'd never do it again, but.
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Izzy Centric
Right.
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Top Lobster
Because the corruption is not there.
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Izzy Centric
He's okay with nuking. There was corruption in Sodom and Gomorrah. The angels did not keep their home. They did not keep their place of authority, their place of their proper dwelling. They came down. And it doesn't say what else they did in the book of Jude, but what it does do is compare that those angels, which you can assume is Genesis 6. It compares them to the people in their sexual immorality in Sodom and Gomorrah. And Sodom and Gomorrah. What did they try to do? Every man, young and old, all around the city of Sodom? One of the two angels that were trying to escort Lot and his family out. Weird. That's weird. And so I say, okay, obviously, like, I don't care how gay you are, you're not going to be like that, man. Now I'm gonna jump on them like, no, come on, let's be.
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David Lee Corbo
Nobody's that gay.
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Izzy Centric
I mean, you, like, you're talking about every man in the city of Sodom. Like, no, they. You know, in the King James, it actually says maybe King James, there's this weird phrase where it says they heap abuse on celestial beings. In the Book of Jude. It's a really strange one, in fact. Let me see.
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David Lee Corbo
What's that expression again?
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Izzy Centric
Heap heap abuse on celestial beings. So if we. Yeah. Jude 1 8. Like, the ESV. Can you guys see me? Okay. Yeah. Okay. So in the esv, it says they blaspheme the glorious ones. In the nasb, it says they reject authority and speak abusively of angelic Majesties. In the kjv, it says they speak evil of dignities. But then in the niv, randomly, it just jumps off the rails and says, rejects authority and heaps abuse on celestial beings. If you read Jude 1:8 in the NIV. You're like, wait a minute, were they just slandering these angels in Sodom and Gomorrah? What else were they doing with them?
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Top Lobster
Raping them?
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Izzy Centric
I believe that they were making some sort of deals and prostituting themselves. I mean, look at the crazy New Agers now. What are they wanting to do with the aliens? It's all the same thing. Even Aleister Crowley said, today they call them angels and demons, tomorrow they call them something else. We're all talking about the same thing here.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, that's where people. I actually had a bit of, not an altercation, but some people on. On Twitter today got upset because I was saying that this one female artist, for lack of a better term, she's like this lady that's. That's like full blown, you know, patchouli hippie, and she's singing about, like, spiritual awakenings and doing ayahuasca and, you know, communing with aliens and, you know, the pyramids and what they were used for. And she's like, rapping, like, apparently she's a decently successful artist. And all I said was something about, like, you know, this silly is communing with nephilim spirits. And we kind of throw that terminology, nephilim around real loosely because it's a word that, like, catches people's attention and gets them to come to the table and go, whoa, what are we talking about here? But, oh, my God, you have the thing. I can't even stand this. But let's play it.
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Top Lobster
I've been learning from the aliens, like, how we're all connected to the pyramids.
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David Lee Corbo
And how we used to use them for. I can't. She's exhausting. She's very exhausting. Very, very upsetting. But a lot of people were upset with me because it's this idea of like, oh, do you think that aliens are. Are definitively bad? Or you can't have a positive experience with some sort of entity after doing DMT or doing ayahuasca or whatever the case may be. And not everything is nephilim. And I'm like, well, number one, Twitter is not the place for nuance. I'm just here to make fun of this white woman. But if you want to get into it, you know, that's it. Can. Can I live? Can I live? So, you know, Izzy is much more the guy for, for that sort of a speed. But, you know, these people, the New Age movement is having them steamroll towards, like, yeah, maybe we can astral project, right? Maybe we can regularly commune with entities through some sort of drug use. If you ask Jerry Marzinski, who is a clinical psychologist for 35 years dealing with schizophrenia, it's his contention that all drugs are a gateway. It just is determined upon. Or the. The size of the gateway or the size of the portal or the amount of access granted to the individual by these entities is only determined by basically the. The substance that they're taking. So, you know, if you take that into consideration that these substances are just portals and gateways for these entities to be able to interact with you, I don't really think that any of it is a good idea. I wouldn't tell people not to do it. I mean, you know, do whatever the hell you want to do. That's your lot in life. But, you know, as far as whether or not all of these things are bad entities or. You know, somebody was saying something to me today about, oh, when you take ayahuasca, you commune directly with Mother Earth, which is like, hey, that's a hell of an assumption. And also, the idea that these things can't deceive you is hilarious. And once you start communing with something that you consider Mother Earth, how long until you start to, like, pay homage, worship, idolize this thing? And at that point, you just become a pagan. You're just worshiping creation over the Creator. It's. It's. It's a slippery slope. But, I mean, what are your thoughts on. On all that, Izzy?
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Izzy Centric
Well, so I believe that the devil is not a creator. He's a perverter. So anything that we find. Like, you guys saw my tweet. Yeah, you top lobster. You saw my tweet on. Demons are not creators. So if a spell works, it's because it's a mystery of heaven?
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Top Lobster
Yes. Yeah.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah, okay. Sigils are a mystery of heaven, Like. Like supernatural, where they're like, where they quickly panic and draw something in blood because they're. They cut their hand open and draw something in blood, and then they smack their hand on it. Now, most of that is fiction, but there are bits of truth in supernatural that I actually really enjoy when I want to kind of turn my brain off a little bit. But, of course, not as successful since 2020. My brain is always on now, thanks to them and the bastards and, you know, in high places.
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David Lee Corbo
But join the club.
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Izzy Centric
As far. Well, I'll tell you this, too. My studies in demonology only, I tripled down on it, and because I wanted to see. Okay, it's like, if Christ is getting closer to us, which every day we get a little bit closer, tomorrow's not promised. And then what's the devil doing? He's panicking. So now we have people that are, you know, like, shaking their rear ends, their asses up, and, you know what, like Sam Smith and stuff, which, I mean. Yeah. So, you know, let me get back on track. So let's talk about this. Chakras. I do believe that chakras are a thing. It just so happens that the pagans got to them first. We have centers of the body that. That are connected to our spirit. So the third eye is also the pineal gland. It's also the thing that builds up melatonin. And now I'm talking about the physical aspect of it. It builds melatonin in the body. So as the sun goes down, the eye starts to close, builds up melatonin, the person sleeps. The person dreams. Depending on where you believe, if you're a more intellectual Christian, you'll probably end up writing off dreams. Of course, if you're someone like my wife, she'll wake up and say, give me a pen. I just had a dream about something. I experienced that all the time with her. And so I'm always telling her, keep a notebook nearby. And her dreams are intensifying, so that's even scarier. But in fact, she actually had a dream about that boat in Maryland.
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Top Lobster
Whoa.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, really?
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Izzy Centric
When it. When it happened, she said the only difference was that it was daytime, not night time. He said Israel, that happened.
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Top Lobster
Didn't Ryan Garcia? Ryan Garcia also said he tweeted some. Something horrible. I don't know.
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David Lee Corbo
So my thing with the Ryan Garcia thing, I don't know if you saw this, Izzy, but Ryan Garcia is a famous boxer, and he had a tweet resurface. He recently kind of went off the rails and was talking about Bohemian Grove. His having attended Bohemian grove at, like, 2 years old. They did terrible things to him. This kid is like a superstar in the boxing world. He's. He's a bit of a phenom. And so somebody dug this tweet up. And what does it say? Top of it, my screen is a little.
- [29:00]
Top Lobster
Doesn't need to play music. It says something bad's gonna happen in Baltimore, Maryland, on March. March 26, 2024.
- [29:07]
David Lee Corbo
So the thing that's significant about this is there's no attribution as far as the date. We don't know when he said that, so it could very well be fake. The only thing is he tweeted it, and he said this came from that time when I was saying a bunch of crazy things, and it wasn't me. It was the Holy Spirit speaking through me or something of that nature. And a lot of my tweets were deleted during that time frame, not of my own doing. So either he's taking credit for something to sort of aggrandize himself, or this is something that he said, which is, you know, uncanny and strange to say the least. I don't know if he had a dream, but he had some sort of premonition. Either that or he was keyed into some sort of information that made him privy to this. But, yeah, very strange thing. I don't know where to place that. He's a strange character in my book, too, as much as he's sort of spilling all this information out and saying things that conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time. But now you have this. This, like I said, this phenom, this superstar in the boxing world sort of saying these things unmitigated. It's just. He's just saying all the world's most intense stuff.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah. In fact, I actually knew. I haven't got to meet him before I know if you guys heard of a man by the name of Ty Jackson, he is a. He's a prophet of the Lord that I ended up meeting. Meeting in 2021 online, and we ended up becoming friends because I'm more of. I'm on the teacher side of. Of the Bible. And what he'll do is. Well, if you guys are familiar with them, as soon as he gets a dream or a vision, he'll write it down and he'll document it. He'll put it up on Facebook and he'll screenshot it. And then when it comes to pass, he'll pull it back down and say, I predicted this or not predict, but, like, God gave this to me, and so on, so forth. Ty Jackson also prayed over Ryan Garcia, like, a year ago and said, jesus, I hope that you bring down the fire of heaven on this man. Anoint him with. So, I mean, you're talking about when go does something to you, that's it. You're. You can't undo that.
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Top Lobster
Now everybody thinks this poor guy is crazy. And he. He just received some crazy download, doesn't really know how to process it, and everyone else around him think he thinks he went nuts.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah.
- [31:13]
Top Lobster
That's horrible.
- [31:14]
Izzy Centric
Yeah. And when. When God wants you, think about this. The devil wants you that much more.
- [31:21]
David Lee Corbo
That's really interesting, because it becomes this.
- [31:24]
Izzy Centric
Battle where it's just like, you know, who's Going to get you first.
- [31:27]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. You become almost like a piece on the chessboard. Once you're engaged in spiritual warfare, you're engaged, and it's both sides.
- [31:34]
Top Lobster
Story of job, right?
- [31:36]
Izzy Centric
Yeah.
- [31:36]
David Lee Corbo
There you go. So it's interesting because I look at the Ryan Garcia thing, and it's like when John Cena had his thing recently and the whole world was going, he's having a humiliation ritual. And as a conspiracy theorist for over half my life, I would typically love that sort of dialogue. But for some reason, I'm like, when I see everybody saying that, I tend to pump the brakes and. And fall back behind the herd who continues moving it. So when I see Ryan Garcia being, like I said, unmitigated, nobody seems to be slowing him down. Kanye west did a bunch of crazy things, and it was very obvious that they did a lot of, you know, whatever they could to. To quiet him and slow the narrative that he was pushing forward to, you know, the point where they threatened to drug him into oblivion and keep him from seeing his children anymore. But here is young Brian. Just go. Or, I'm sorry, young Ryan.
- [32:29]
Top Lobster
Dave, I want to hit the brakes real quick, and I want to go back if you're comfortable. Izzy, just addressing what you said before. So your wife is writing stuff down after she has the dream?
- [32:42]
Izzy Centric
Yeah.
- [32:43]
Top Lobster
Okay.
- [32:44]
Izzy Centric
Not every single time. And she loses notebooks like crazy. But when she does manage to hold on to one, she's undiagnosed. Add she loses notebooks all the time. She's always buying new ones. You see those memes of the mothers online that are always trying to buy crap with their pens and then they lose them the next day. But when she does manage to do it, yeah, she'll write them down.
- [33:02]
Top Lobster
All right. Now the question is if you feel comfortable answering.
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- [34:06]
Top Lobster
What prompted her to do that? Because most people. Whatever. From when I've heard people that are writing down dreams, they might be trying to want to remember something specific. Is she having any kind of, like, abduction scenario? What's going on?
- [34:21]
Izzy Centric
Well, I'd have to ask her about the specifics, but what I can tell you is that what prompts her to begin writing is when there is a clear and concise set of events that stand out in her mind. And she will feel the emotion of whoever is around her at the time as if she's really there. Now, every once in a while, somebody might have a really bad dream about something and go, oh, my God, I'm so happy that didn't really happen. But, I mean, my wife has had experiences of being in. What was it? She was trapped in someone's car. She had like, a wreck or something and woke up and was like, hey, we were leaving Rock Hill. She was like, hey, slow down, because I really want to make sure that we don't get into a wreck. I feel like this could really happen to us. And then we saw a car in a ditch. It hit a pole or something and it looked bad. And my. My wife just started, like, freaking out. She was almost shutting down. She was like, oh, my God, that could have been us. That could have been us. That could have. It's like she was so. It doesn't happen a lot, but when I see it happen, I've learned after nine years of us being together to take it very serious. Yeah, interesting. It's. It's one of those things where it also exhausts her. So she'll wake up drained from this dream as if she was literally running a marathon. But she's just trying to wake up.
- [35:52]
David Lee Corbo
Wow.
- [35:52]
Top Lobster
Maybe we need to have her on the show.
- [35:55]
Izzy Centric
She is incredibly shy, but I would love for her to be on any podcast, really, to talk about it, because she is not in the social media space. Like, I am, like, not even close. And I'll tell you something else. You know, Bob Larson said something really interesting when he. Because, you know, he went on to debate without me. Did I tell you guys that he had.
- [36:14]
David Lee Corbo
He debated you without you?
- [36:17]
Izzy Centric
Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. He went and found a bunch of my pre cut videos and was like, well, his team's pretty good. Because I see that he. I imagine talks like it. He's like, this is pretty good. I. I like his production quality. He's really up there. And I'm like, that's all me. I don't have a team. Everything I do is on my own. But he said something really strange where I've never. I rarely even call myself a teacher just because I have a lot to learn. And I try to be as modest as possible when it comes to teaching the scriptures, or really anything I know, for that matter, in the paranormal space. But he said something really weird where it was like. He said, I don't understand these people who call themselves or. Or I don't understand these people who identify as prophets or apostles. And I'm like, I never call myself either of those things. But my wife has had some prophecies, and because, you know, in the Bible it says that when two people are married, they're one flesh. So when I saw prophet and I saw apostle, I was like, okay, I can see the prophet because I don't have prophecies. And I was like, oh, no. I had a demon. In 2020 back when I used to ghost hunt. Randomly say minister, and it's documented. I'm looking at my. I'm looking at the little device where the spirits speak through, and I go, ah, I'm no minister. Well, I'm something of a minister now, four years later. So it's just those weird things where he. I truly, truly believe Bob Larson's discernment went off, and he just said what he believed the Holy Spirit was telling him. Because I do believe Bob Larson's a Christian. I believe he also has upset God for obvious reasons. He even admitted that his ministry is going downhill. But him saying that I was. I turned to my crowd. I had the guys on my chat because I was blind, reacting to my own, you know, his critique of me. I turned to everyone. I was like, that was weird. I don't like that. I do not like that.
- [38:29]
David Lee Corbo
It's weird because when.
- [38:33]
Izzy Centric
God wants you to do something, he wants you bad enough, he will crush you like a. Like a piece of clay and then turn you and twist you and then turn you into something better. But it hurts. And I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. I apologize. Go ahead, go ahead.
- [38:51]
David Lee Corbo
No, no, I was just gonna say it's interesting when you find yourself in this space. You know, we've accumulated an audience based off of looking at the supernatural and the conspiratorial through the Christian worldview, and you end up sort of amassing people alongside you and. And taking them on this walk with you to this weird place, you know, where you're learning all these things together. And in a way, it feels like you're leading, you know, you're leading people to. To God. And. But on the other hand, we are constantly reminding people that we are both top and I are completely retarded. And so it's a weird place to find yourself in because people do look at us not necessarily as, like, leaders or anything like that, but, like, they're refreshed to find people whose worldview aligns with theirs. And at least, like, we get to be sort of a mouthpiece for them, you know, where we get to interview people like you. And hopefully they find it interesting and it aligns with, you know, where their heart is bringing them, which ideally is where God is leading them. But they don't know, or maybe they do know that the people they're walking alongside are completely. But you were talking about your. Your wife and her. Her sort of these.
- [40:16]
Top Lobster
I just wanted to say, because it is interesting, like, kind of adding into what you were saying, Izzy. And I think I've told you before, David, when I used to go to church when I was, like, still dating my wife, I played guitar in there, had a big falling out with the church. At the time of the falling out, one of the elders, a woman, came up to me and she, like, she was praying for me or something. And then she said, you're going to speak to, like, millions of people. You're going to be a spe. And at the time, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm going to do general construction. And then I'm going to drive a truck for the next 10 years, and I'm not going to do any of them. I'm also going to ignore my artistic talent that I've had since junior high school. And then, like, I picked that up. Puts me into this space to the point where then I start talking into a microphone. And then now looking back on it, I have spoke to millions of people. Like, if you've taken. If you take the audience sizes of all the shows that I've done, you know, just Tim cast one time was 500,000. Now I'm thinking about. I'm like that. Because when she told me that I wanted it, I wanted to tell her, like, you know, like, get slick with her. She's an elder. But I wanted to be like, yeah, up yours. Like, you know, I'm not doing that. I was. I had one foot out the church. I was like, I'm out of Here, like, what happened there? And then you're going to tell me that. And now I'm like, huh, now here I am. What am I doing here?
- [41:45]
David Lee Corbo
Right? Well, you would hope that we're. At least, you know. When I pray to Jesus, I ask to be like, guided on a path that is in alignment with his will. Like, and that's the most that I can hope for with whatever it is that I'm doing is like, please let me be doing things and showing people things that are in alignment with God's will. And that's, you know, if I can do that, then I'm cool. But, you know, Izzy, you're talking about this whole writing down your. Your dreams, right? And I don't know if. If have you ever engaged in that, Izzy.
- [42:23]
Izzy Centric
What? In the whole dream space? Prophecies?
- [42:26]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. No, I mean, like waking up and writing down, like a dream journal.
- [42:32]
Izzy Centric
Let me reflect. I had one. I had one. Jim Carrey retired now, of course. He's kind of retired now, right? And even I guess me having the dream, he retired as the guy that was. Know him as. And in the dream, I saw VHS tapes of like, his best hits, the Mask, Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura. And it was set up with flowers. And I remember weeping and weeping and weeping. I was crying over him. And it was like a. It. If anything, it was. It was never said out loud, like, literally a funeral. But when I woke up, I was like, that was so sad. I missed Jim Carrey. And I was like, wait, he's still alive. And so I documented that it's got somewhere on Facebook where I was like, keep Jim Carrey in your prayers, because he might. Something could happen to him. I believe it could have been suicide.
- [43:32]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's interesting.
- [43:34]
Izzy Centric
But then again that I am not the kind of person to have those sorts of dreams, so maybe it could have just been a wacky thing. The only way to really test a prophet's words is to see what comes to pass. That's it. But as far as I do have a theory about deja vu, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the way that people think of deja vu. You ever, like, you know the basic concepts of deja vu, where you go and experience something and then you're like, no, no, no, I've been here before. And then.
- [44:06]
David Lee Corbo
Wait, wait. Can I just interject for a minute? Izzy, wherever we're going with this, I gotta tell you, this is one of my favorite subjects that have absolutely. It has no depth whatsoever. Because deja vu is the most. I think about it all the time, where I'm like, you have a sensation that you're hungry, and that makes sense. You're hungry. You eat something. The sensation is because you haven't eaten. You know, you have a sensation that you're sleepy and you go, it's because I'm tired and I need to go to sleep. I haven't slept enough. You have a sensation that time itself has happened in the very way that it's happening right now, but you have been around to experience it before. Everybody knows what that feels like, but that's the end of it. You go, well, I don't know what to do with that. So you throw it away and don't think about it anymore. It's an. It's an absolutely. I think about all the. The only reason nobody freaks out about it is because it happens so regularly and everybody across every culture experiences it. But it is definitionally bizarre. There is no other sensation that will make you feel like, you know what I feel right now? I feel like time's on a loop. Does anybody else feel like time's on a loop? Like, what in the world, dude? Like, I feel like, I guess it's just me.
- [45:20]
Top Lobster
Oh, it feels like time's on a loop again.
- [45:23]
Izzy Centric
No problem. Have you ever compared deja vu to try to remember a dream you just woke up from?
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- [46:29]
David Lee Corbo
It's very similar in the way that you it slips through your fingers and.
- [46:34]
Izzy Centric
Now you try to grip it. The harder you try to grip it, the quicker it goes away and you're like, damn it, get back.
- [46:39]
David Lee Corbo
And you're actively forgetting you're forgetting within seconds of remembering same.
- [46:45]
Izzy Centric
I, I consider it the same exact feeling. And the reason is because I believe that deja vu is simply dreams of the future that you just couldn't remember. You don't have that dream. Yeah, you had the dream, you saw the future. And I think people do it. It's the fluoride in our water, I'm telling you.
- [47:06]
David Lee Corbo
Well, I had a friend growing up, this is the second time I brought him up in two episodes. Shout out to John. He's my childhood best friend. He was before, before I was old enough to think that that's weird. Back in like fifth, sixth, seventh grade. He would be like, yeah, I like regularly have dreams and then they come true. But they're very benign. Like one time we were standing on my friend's front porch waiting for him to answer the doorbell. And John goes, oh, I've had this dream before. Yeah, his mom's gonna answer the door. And like, he's like, yeah, the bird over there, the way it is right now, the sun, the sounds, the up. And then his mom opened the door and then that was it. He's like. And that's as far as it goes. But he was able to predict like the next series of very small insignificant events. And he's like, that just happened regularly. So when I would explain to him what deja vu is, it's interesting you should say that. I would say deja vu is like a sensation. And he would say deja vu comes from the dreams that I had of this very moment.
- [48:09]
Izzy Centric
That's why I was making the joke about it's the fluoride in our water. You know, you got Alex Jones that says the water's turned the freaking frogs gay. We could have something in our water, maybe could be in our food too. This, there's no way this is good for me. But if it's, if it's keeping the bob. The body discombobulated from the spirit, no wonder why. Like, it's like we're so close yet so far away from the just the basic gifts of God that come to us every day. Because we're not just flesh, we're not just spirit. We're both.
- [48:46]
Top Lobster
Well, some people say that there might be a 13 month calendar, but you can go even simpler and be like, why the do we keep changing the time every, every year back and forth and forward and backwards? It's crazy. Yeah, it's just to keep you kind of like, like, like slightly off balance. Like you can't ever have your head on Straight something is constantly nudging you. If your bills or whatever isn't you up, if, you know, general life around you isn't going crazy, if the world isn't collapsing, we're like, we're going to change the time too, right?
- [49:17]
David Lee Corbo
Because God forbid, Izzy, you're saying that we're, you know, we're. We're spiritual as well as physical, and we're. And you're talking about God's gifts. And this is kind of what I was getting at before with the dream journal. Excuse me? Dream journal is like, I do believe that we have these innate abilities. Like, I think that astral projection is more than likely a capability that human beings have. I think that, you know, premonition through dreams, lucid dreaming, probably serves a function if, you know, you're doing it while being guided by God. But these things are so. As a society, we're so detached from them. And the only people that have a stranglehold on these functions right now, like astral projection or. Or meditation or any of these things, right? Or, you know, you. You said chakras before aligning your chakras and yoga. Who has a stranglehold on this? Well, it's the New age movement. And, And. And I'm not. You know, people talk about Christian mysticism, and that's like, even. That's like, well, man, I certainly don't want to slip into this weird place of, like, Christ consciousness or some crap like that, which even, you know, who knows, maybe that has its validity. But as far as I'm concerned, you know, Jesus is somebody who. Who died for our sins and literally so that we could, you know, find forgiveness and. And go to heaven and that the path is through him. Is that where the buck stops? I don't know. I'm. I'm genuinely at this point, afraid to, like, explore anything else and accidentally slip into some new age that's gonna send me careening down a cliffside. Like, I have something that I think is the ability of, like, some sort of astral projection. I don't like doing it, because when I do it, two things about it. One, the overall vibe of the room gets creepy as hell afterwards. And two, it's real. It's really hard to turn off. I can't. It's hard for me to go to sleep afterwards because every time I close my eyes, I still see, like, I don't know, stars, objects, places. Like, I see things, and I don't like that, so I don't do it. But it feels like this thing that's sitting on a shelf and collecting dust. What is. What is your opinion on these? I don't know if we're touching on the same thing, but it's like you. You use the word gifts, gifts from God, but like, are we. How do we even begin to explore them without falling into this. This, you know, swamp?
- [51:29]
Izzy Centric
Okay, well, firstly, my wife actually did astral project for a long time and she never had control over it. She would blink and then open her eyes and be in different places while asleep. In fact, she actually invaded someone by accident during astral projection and pissed them off. They were like, what the hell are you doing here? Funny thing, though. That person worked at the same pagan store as her.
- [51:50]
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- [52:50]
Izzy Centric
So it was just. And she never meant to, but the last time that she did it, once again an accident. She never had control over it. She was kind of zipping around, came back to her body and saw a demon trying to crawl into it.
- [53:04]
Top Lobster
Whoa. I mean, if it's a vacant body.
- [53:08]
Izzy Centric
Yeah, exactly. She rebuked it in Jesus name. And she said it was the first time I ever confronted a demon. And I will never second guess being able to use your words as power ever again because I did it while astral projecting. She wasn't. She was just in spirit. Saw her body there and then she rebuked it.
- [53:24]
Top Lobster
What. What is the. Do you remember what she described it looking like?
- [53:29]
Izzy Centric
No, but I will say she can see the stuff, I can't. So it's this weird thing where, like, it turns into trust in the relationship because she'll. She'll be like, yeah, you know, you don't want to see these Things. And I'm like, well, maybe I do. You know, it's hard. It's kind of hard to scare me nowadays. You know, I used to be the ghost hunter. I still don't mind actually using. Using equipment on the paranormal just because I know the, the demon to ghost ratio is more like a 10 to 1. So you really want to be careful, like doing that and be. Be aware of what you're doing if you're going to do it. I would love nothing more than a demon hunting show where people are just casting things out of homes and stuff. I think that would be the coolest thing you'd watch.
- [54:09]
Top Lobster
Wait a second.
- [54:10]
Izzy Centric
Everywhere.
- [54:10]
Top Lobster
Back up, back up, back up, back up, back up. Can't just let you slip there.
- [54:14]
Izzy Centric
Yeah, yeah.
- [54:15]
Top Lobster
The demon to Ghost ratio is 10 to 1.
- [54:18]
David Lee Corbo
I love that statistic.
- [54:20]
Top Lobster
Yeah, it's like, what the. You can't just say that.
- [54:22]
Izzy Centric
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, so it's a guesstimate. But now the reason I say that is because there's only a couple of ghost instances in the Bible. But I do believe, absolutely believe that ghosts are a thing.
- [54:34]
Top Lobster
What is the difference? And how does something become a ghost rather than a demon?
- [54:39]
Izzy Centric
So ghosts are disembodied people, Demons are disembodied. Nephilim, that's it basically what you guys believe.
- [54:45]
Top Lobster
As far as nephilim goes, how would somebody become disembodied?
- [54:48]
Izzy Centric
Like maybe someone if they died. And I'm not saying like go like, you know, Patrick Swayze from Ghost, but like, you know, just the idea of someone that is kind of on their journey of going into the afterlife. Because first of all, the White Throne judgment is not here yet. And people do not have these little separate judgments. You know, you hear in the west especially, they say, oh, you're judged by God as soon as you die. That's not true. When you die, you have a journey to go on. And we don't know it because the Bible is for the living, not the dead. So it's just one of those things where I just believe that ghosts are an anomaly. I mean, look at the disciples. They thought Jesus was a ghost and they're ready to jump out that boat. Samuel prophesying nonetheless when coming up out of the ground. And then of course, Saul not being able to see him because all he's asking the. The witch of Endor is, hey, what do you see? He. He doesn't know. And she's.
- [55:49]
David Lee Corbo
It's interesting because I sometimes think that more than likely when it comes to that realm Time doesn't function the same there as it does here. And so when we see a lot of people are like, oh, what? So you die? And then you're just like walking around for hundreds of years. You know, there's always that cliche joke of seeing like the woman in the old timey dress and it's like, oh, she's just been haunting this place. It's like, I don't know that time works the way it does here in that realm.
- [56:15]
Top Lobster
You know, I just had like a discussion argument with my mother and my, my father and I'm not quite sure where I stand on this. So I was just saying like, hey, you use, when, when she's like ministering to somebody, I'm like, you use, use heaven and hell quite prominently. And I'm like, hasn't worked well for you. Maybe readjust that. And I'm like, and also like, like it gets me thinking, like, what exactly is hell? What it, what is heaven? Like, so it's like you're saying that like you, you can't go to heaven if you haven't been judged, but you can't go to hell. So what goes on?
- [56:52]
Izzy Centric
So it's, it's like this. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Now that, that scripture is for the Christians because it's because Paul is speaking about himself there. So Hebrews chapter 12, verse 1. And I'm bad with like, I'm better with phrases of the Bible rather than scriptures. It just occurred to me that's the first time I was able to pick it off the top of my head. But Hebrews chapter 12, verse 1 says that you guys, out, out, out, out. My kids are running rampant. No, Hebrews chapter 12, verse 1 says that we have a host of heaven. We have a cloud of witnesses above us. Well, look, in the early, early church you have the icons and of the saints and they in. If you look at orthodox theology and Catholic theology, they get this right. There is no soul sleep. Soul sleep is actually a very new phenomenon that gave rise in the late Protestant era, probably even as late as the 1800s. So like 300 years after the Reformation. Guys, out. Out.
- [57:58]
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- [58:57]
David Lee Corbo
Sam, it's okay to beat them on camera. Beat the children, don't beat the children.
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Top Lobster
They sound adorable.
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Izzy Centric
Thank you. Yeah. But yeah, so no, we have, we have the great cloud of Witnesses. They're not just angels, they're also saints. This is why the Catholics and the or Orthodox Christians both believe that we can pray. We can ask, you can ask any of the saints to pray for us. And we can pray for the saints because we're active members of the body. We're just in two different addresses. The same way that I can pray for you, you can pray for me.
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David Lee Corbo
You know, I have a story and I know Top has heard this before, but our audience has grown substantially, I think, since the last time that I shared it. And I'd be really interested in getting your thoughts on it, Izzy, as to, like, what it was that I encountered. And I was thinking about it before because you said you don't see these things, but your wife does. This was actually something that I saw, my wife saw and my son saw. So I'll keep it a little bit short winded. It's a little bit of a long story, but basically there was a period in time where I packed up my entire family and we moved to Las Vegas from New Jersey. And we aim to sort of cut a life out there. And things just didn't go our way and financially it just wasn't working out. And I was starting to worry that we might fail at this endeavor. And something ended up happening back in New Jersey of sickness in the family that gave us a reason to go back. But it kind of felt like I had an out, you know what I mean? Like almost like I was looking for a reason and this unfortunate thing happened. And in a way I was almost relieved. And so we go back to New Jersey and I am sort of plagued by feelings of failure. We land with the in laws and the in laws are Jehovah Witnesses. And they are sort of at odds with me because I am worldly and all these different things, in hindsight I'm like, maybe they weren't so wrong because I was kind of an idiot and still am an idiot. But I end up barricading myself in one room. It's just me and my wife and my son in one spare bedroom. That these people were lovely enough to, to open their doors for us and give us a place to stay while we got on our feet. But instead of being gracious and, and, and thankful, I kind of went inward and just stop socializing really not a great deal. My wife and my son would be downstairs playing with the in laws. I would be upstairs in this room feeling like a failure, playing red Dead Redemption 2 and which is a tremendous game.
- [61:48]
Top Lobster
And now, now knowing him, so I heard the story before, but knowing you for a little while longer, extremely unusual for David to not talk. If someone's in the room, he's going to be talking to you even if you don't. Especially if you don't want him to. So that's strange.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, not regressed, isn't. But I sort of went inward and I started to live life on repeat. So my wife would bring me up a dish that her mother made nonetheless, of which I would not thank her mother. I would take the dish in the room, eat dinner, play Red Dead Redemption, not be around except for just going to work, coming back, rinsing and repeating really just a terrible, like very embarrassing in hindsight. It was like one of the lowest moments that I had. So I knew that I felt like a failure. I guess I didn't necessarily have good tabs on like the depression that was sort of eking into my life as I think as men we often don't have a good feel for like that kind of an emotion, like a sadness. Like I know I'm angry and I know I feel like I fucked up, but I don't feel sad, but I guess I did. So. So what ends up happening is like this four night horror film really where one day I'm playing Red Dead Redemption, eating my dinner and eventually it's time to go to sleep. And I have this experience where I wake up to someone banging, knocking on the door and I jump up out of bed and I look down out of the window to the front door and I don't see anybody. And it's like, yeah, unfortunately it's like 3:00 in the morning and I go, I don't think anybody was there. Nobody else seems to have heard this. So I'm a little bit bothered, you know, a Little bit creeped out. But I try to go back to sleep. As soon as I drift off, I hear it again. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And I get up, I look out the window. No one's there. No one's heard it. Fall asleep again, and it happens again. And now I basically stay up till the sun comes up because I'm freaked out. So I keep it to myself. Because I always say that you see a horror movie and you're like, why aren't they telling each other, like, that they saw a ghost? Like, no, you keep that to yourself because there's this feeling that, like, if you feed into it, it's going to get worse. And also, if you bring it up to, like, your wife, now all of a sudden you have to talk about it. And what is there to talk about? There's nothing to talk about. It's just creepy. And I don't know what to tell you. So I keep it to myself. Next night, rolls around like you have.
- [64:18]
Izzy Centric
A solution to it just because you talk about it.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. That's really where I'm coming from. And so the next night, I wake up to something pulling my arm off the bed. And I'm like, man, that's. That sucks so good. No, I fall asleep, it happens again. Now I tuck my arm into the blanket, like, I'm like, can't get it if you can't touch it, bitch. And something grabs my ankle this time and pulls it off the bed. And so I spend the rest of the night, till the sun comes up, scrolling through my phone. I go to work. Now I'm, like, running off. Low sleep, right? The third night, I still haven't said anything to my wife. The third day rolls around. Come back from work, eat dinner, play video games, go to sleep. And I have a nightmare. And in this nightmare, I see very clearly this being, this entity that I'm staring at. The entire dream is just me staring at this thing. There's no interaction. There's no movement or anything on my behalf. But I do remember being there for a while. And it's. I'm in a space, a void. There's no walls or ceilings. And in the center of it is this. So it's like a dude in the sense that it's got arms and legs and a head and all that. And it's kind of muscular. Like, enough that it was like. I remember looking at it and feeling intimidated. Just based off of the muscular structure of it. Its skin had a sort of a print to it, like a cheetah print. Like A gray, but a gray and black. Not like a yellow and black, a gray and black cheetah print. And it had canine teeth on the bottom that were actually protruding and hugging its upper lip. And its eyes were like bright red, like I always say, like maraschino cherries. Like that kind of a red, like illuminating red. And it was just breathing, like its chest was heaving up and down. It was taking these deep breaths, like it was filled with rage. And that's it. I'm just looking at this thing and there's like a black mist like all around its legs. And I'm just looking at this thing and. And that's. That's the whole dream. It's just. It's breathing, I'm looking at it, and I'm there for a long ass time. So I wake up that morning to my wife. Well, no, I wake up and. And everything is kind of normal. And then my wife wakes up and she tells me that she had a. A dream that she starts describing as sleep paralysis. But she doesn't really. She's never had sleep paralysis. So I recognized it, I knew what it was, but she's like, I couldn't move. And I'm like stuck in the bed and I can only move my eyeballs. And when I look over towards you, there is this, you know, monster with black and gray skin and bright red eyes and giant teeth pushing you into the bed. It's sitting on your chest and it's pinning you into the bed and I can't wake up to. To save you from it. And I go, I go, wow, that sucks, man. That's a crazy dream to have. I just like totally, I'm like really upset about this. But I'm not letting her know because what now? What? I really wish it would stop, but I don't know. So I leave it alone. I don't say anything. Next day, rinse and repeat, same life. Fall asleep. And everything seems cool. I wake up in the morning to my wife taking a video. She's like, hey, hey, look at this video I was taking of you while you're sleeping. And it's like my jugular is like spasming really aggressively, like the blood is pumping. And she's like, yeah, you were struggling. The video was only like 5 seconds long or 10 seconds long. So she didn't leave me there to suffer, but she was like, I gotta show him this because it's crazy. And then she woke me up. And as I'm watching this video, suddenly my son, who's sleeping on an air Mattress next to us, sits up and starts screaming about a monster with bright red eyes and big, sharp teeth. And I was like. So I end up praying. This is the first time I ever did this praying, like, like desperately to Jesus Christ to please protect my family and to. To cast this thing out of the home. And it never happens again. It never happens again after that. And so that was like a pivotal moment for me. But I'd love to get your. Because this didn't feel like a ghost, right? Like, this was not. This felt like. Honestly, to me, it felt like rage embodied.
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Top Lobster
How long?
- [68:56]
David Lee Corbo
Like, that's what it felt like. Ah, that was so. It's interesting because when I met you, I really kind of was like, honestly, I was emboldened by my relationship with you to fully go in this direction. I was already putting my foot in this direction. But once I met you, it was like, off to the races. But this happened. And my. My coming to God and fully realizing this, like, I never denied Christ after that, but I was still slow to like, enter this space. That happened in probably 2000 and that would have been 2020just as. As Covid hit.
- [69:36]
Top Lobster
Well, yeah, okay.
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Izzy Centric
No, definitely not a ghost. Ghosts. Ghosts can't hurt you. Ghosts can't possess the living. Ghosts are simply on a journey and they're not even. They don't even belong here. If you see a ghost, it's either God granting someone passage to in order to give a message. My wife's grandmother. So my son's great grandmother fended off some scary monster in my son's dream, and she smiled and waved and then disappeared into a light. And my son, not understanding that she already died weeks before, started screaming, gigi's gone. Gigi's gone. Gigi's. Like, he was understanding that, but he was mostly not. He wasn't all the way non verbal, but. But he was coming out of being non verbal. So ghosts do cross through our world, but they don't belong here. So. And you know, if Satan can.
- [70:41]
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- [71:41]
Izzy Centric
Marvel as an angel of Light if he can transform into an angel of light right then it makes you wonder, what can dead Nephilim do? Well, they were half human so you know, perhaps they can pass off as dead loved ones. Makes sense. Doesn't mean that ghosts are automatically demons every single time you bump into one. That's why it's important to have someone with authority, which is any Christian. Any spirit filled believer can test the spirit to see whether it's from God. That's First John 4:1:3. But it's important to do that. But yeah, what you're describing there and, and it's happening right when Covid hit. But yeah, I had something similar in 2018 and my wife had astral projected. Not that I knew she could do that yet I just met her. But I woke up with, with the bed shaking and feeling like something was following me around. And I also woke up with the thought in my head that my wife was next to me because she used to stay the night with me and then we would kind of fool around and then go to bed. So I swore I woke up like I was waking up like, oh no, she's next to me, she's next to me. No she wasn't. But she had a dream she was next to me and she was shaking me, which in turn shook the bed. And then this thing, she could see it. I can't see it because once again I don't see the stuff. It was floating out of the closet I'm actually in right now and floating towards me. This black mass, tall, big headed figure was just floating towards me and she was shaking me while on top of me violently because it was ignoring her and going to me. So I woke up feeling I was in a pitch dark room and I was scared. All I felt was fear. And that's what demons do, they give off fear. In fact, the. The thing that was bothering you, the first thing it did was scare you and then keep you from sleeping. That. That's. Dude, that's the. It's all the signs of these low vibrations that once again, you know, the pagan community snatched. But it's low Vibrations. Demons feed off of low vibrations, depression.
- [73:42]
David Lee Corbo
It felt like it was feeding off me. Like it. It fed off me until it developed enough strength to do what I think was actually sort of a diminishment, or not a diminishment, but it was. It gained enough strength to show itself. And then that backfired on it, because as soon as it showed itself and I knew that it was real, it immediately screwed the whole thing up for it. Because after that, I was like, if this is real. Yes. If this is real, then. Then God is real. And. And Jesus Christ is. You know, he needs to save me.
- [74:14]
Izzy Centric
Okay. And. And that right there is exactly why demons don't like showing themselves. Because they know that they. They give themselves away. They give away the entire plot to the. To the story.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Izzy Centric
And so they do their damnedest not to show themselves in front of intellectuals, especially if you are a critical thinker. A demon will do everything it can to poke at you from the shadows and not reveal its ugly face.
- [74:39]
David Lee Corbo
That is so interesting. Top, I want to. If you remember this. So Izzy was just saying that, like, what can Nephilim do, Right? Because they were half human. Do you remember that story? And. And after this, Izzy, I'd love to get into sort of, like, I don't know how much you can for us, but to discuss the variation in some of these entities from one thing to another and. And what the. What the. The difference is. But, Top, I don't know if you remember that story on Tony Merkel's show. It dragged me down the hallway. Now, guys, I would highly recommend. This is actually a very disturbing episode. Going and finding this episode of the Confessionals with Tony Merkel. It dragged me down the hallway. And basically, this woman whose grandmother had passed away was having an experience where she was seeing her pretty regularly, I want to say. And what this ends up in is this scenario where one day she is underneath her dresser, oddly enough, and she gets out of bed and approaches the dresser. And it reminds me of. Of the film it. Where Georgie reaches his hand into the sewers and the clown grabs his hand. Well, she noted that as she's talking to her grandmother, who's beneath the dresser, who several times in previous appearances has convinced her that she is her grandmother, all of a sudden starts to display this, like, freakishly wide smile, which is interesting, right? Because the Nephilim were said to have had, like, very wide. If you look at, like, Attack on Titan, even, they kind of play off this where, like, they have these freakishly wide smiles. Yeah. Two sets of teeth. Teeth, yeah, two sets of teeth. And I think what ends up happening is she does touch her grandmother's hand, and it is just not right. There's something longer and creepier about it. And then, unfortunately, this woman ends up getting dragged down the hallway in a perpetual loop, as one tends to sometimes get caught in a loop of a dream where you think you're awake and you're not, and then you think you finally woke up and you haven't. I've been there a couple of times. Not. Not a lot, but maybe like two or three times where I'm like, I'm out finally, and then I'm not out.
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Izzy Centric
Sucks when it happens, too.
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Top Lobster
That goes to Stephen King, too. Like, Stephen King knows all this stuff. You're probably a fan of this show because in the book, when they. When they do defeat Pennywise, like, lights come out of him. And at one point they ask, in a different book, these three orbs, they ask what it is, and it says, we are legion. So he's familiar with the lore of demon, the light, or inhabiting something that's not quite it. And it's like, right. It's almost too right on the nose. Like, the guy has to know about this stuff.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah. You know, actually, that's. That's the only difference I believe. I believe that demons have no light in them whatsoever, which is why they give off that feeling of death, fear, destruction, because that is what they are. And then angels, they had a light when they were created. Why would the light go away and then develop horns in a tail? They're not a Disney villain, for God's sakes. So, I mean, it just.
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Top Lobster
Well, how would you.
- [77:53]
Izzy Centric
I call it.
- [77:53]
Top Lobster
How would you account for.
- [77:54]
Izzy Centric
In Hollywood? It's propaganda.
- [77:56]
Top Lobster
How would you account for, like, the. The UFO phenomena where they'll say they'll see. They see orbs, like, throughout a field, these kind of like glowing light balls or something like that.
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Izzy Centric
Okay, so orbs is. Orbs are also in the ghost hunting field, too. And sometimes they're just dust particles. That happens too. But when you actually get an orb, it makes up a ghost, they say. And that's possible. Okay, you could. You could have just a ghost that's just kind of wondering. It's possible. Probably not probable, but possible. But when it comes to the demonic, there's just nothing good that feels that you can feel from a demon. And if you had a battle with some other group of people and you really wanted to make sure that you got in there and infiltrated, you would probably Bring a parent if you could. If you felt you could be outnumbered, maybe you'd bring a parent or a handful of your friends, plus a parent, an elder. Right. Okay, so you think about. If fallen angels select. Handful of fallen angels are the fathers of these. These black masses, these parasites, then what better than to bring in this thing of light that causes everyone to look at it, and then the darkness creeps in from the other side. There was a woman that was making love to something that she said was full of light, and it felt good. And then one day, and I wish I could tell you guys her name because it was just a random story I heard, but she didn't see it. She felt it. It changed. Something in the room changed. And she believed that something else entered the room and then proceeded to grape her. And it was horrifying. It wasn't consensual at all. It was like the exact opposite. Literally the exact opposite. That's really interesting that you had two different feelings completely.
- [80:06]
David Lee Corbo
All of these abduction experiencers. I've. I've had experiences of sleep paralysis where it was accompanied by the presence of a shadow and also the presence of, like, an inexplicably bright white light, and so bright that it didn't make sense. And my grandmother, who was an abductee victim since childhood, would often describe an appearance of a bright white light in her window. And then when she would finally be able to call for help, the light would go away before anybody, you know, when her mother came into the room to say, what are you yelling about? And also she had the, like, stereotypical black shadow entities in her room. And this is something that's, like, integral to the abduction experience, which my thoughts on the abductions experience, especially over the past few years, is that these things are intrinsically tied to this spiritual warfare that we're engaged in. They're intrinsically tied into the fallen, into the nephilim, whether or not grays are X, Y, and Z, these things are all a product of and associated with one another. And so it's. I never thought about that bright white light being. Because I remember with me, it came out of a place where, like, I knew that. I know there was no light. You know what I mean? Like, there was no light fixture in this closet where it was coming from, and it was so bright that it didn't even make sense. I had a dream recently. This actually came up because twice for the first time in my life, but twice in the past month and a half, I've, like, rebuked something in my Dreams, which doesn't typically happen. It's like, sometimes I'll need to gain a certain amount of sentience, or not sentience, but, like, wherewithal. I'll need to realize that I'm in a dream to a degree for me to be able to, like, pray to Christ to, you know, free me of a paralysis or whatever. I'm in the presence of some, like, light being, and I end up praying.
- [82:12]
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- [83:12]
David Lee Corbo
And the reason I say that I wasn't aware is because, you know how, like, when you re tell a dream, it's like you're an observer, not much of a participant, but it's like, yeah, then I did this and then I did that, and it's like, I didn't actively do that. These are just the things that happened in the dream. I was, like, observing it. This is very much like that. I didn't actively start calling on the name of Christ. I just watched myself start calling on the name of Christ. And I got free of the paralysis in the dream. And then I mocked this thing to his face relentlessly until it went away. But it was like a dude made of light. And so, you know. But these, these. This, you know, appearance of a bright white light in some form associated with paralysis, associated with, you know, alien abductions is. Is. Is very common. And I never stopped to think about, like, oh, are they bringing. Because it's kind of a squad, right? It's like, well, you'll have the grays. You'll have the tall, skinny grays. You'll often have the insectoids. You'll have, like you said earlier, these, these nords. You Also might have a whole ass, dude made of light, I guess.
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Izzy Centric
Yeah.
- [84:20]
David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
- [84:21]
Izzy Centric
Well. Well, look, in the book of Job. Job actually has sleep paralysis in. In the story. You guys aware of this?
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David Lee Corbo
I'm not familiar with the book of Job. I. I'm. I'm very bad when it comes to my. My biblical knowledge. I just. I. I suck at reading, but. So please tell me whatever you can.
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Izzy Centric
Okay, hold on, hold on. It's Job, chapter four. Can you guys see me?
- [84:45]
David Lee Corbo
Okay, yes.
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Top Lobster
Yes.
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Izzy Centric
All right, cool. Cool, because I can't see you right now. Let me see. I gotta get far enough to. Yeah, so. Okay, here we go. A word was secretly brought to me. My ears caught a whisper of it amid disquieting dreams in the night when deep sleep falls on people. We call that REM sleep. Fear and trembling seized me and made all of my bones shake. A spirit glided past my face, and the hair on my body stood on end. It stopped, but I could not tell what it was. A form stood before my eyes, and I heard a hushed voice. Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can even a strong man be more pure than his Maker? He goes, this. This thing goes on to appreciate Job for being such a good human. It's an angel. And not even a fallen one. It's just an angel giving him sleep paralysis.
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David Lee Corbo
Dude, that's crazy, because he's talking about his, like, the vibration that's associated with this. These are things that I've experienced myself. Is the vibration like this trembling? Number one, the. The. The trembling and the vibration is accompanied with a fear that is. Doesn't even make sense functionally. It's a fear that does paralyze you or at least is accompanied with the paralysis. But, like, nothing I've ever experienced in my waking life has ever made me feel that sense of mortal dread. And then, of course, yeah, this vibrating of your bones.
- [86:23]
Izzy Centric
And for. For anyone curious, for any viewer, curious, and you guys as well. That's Job, chapter four. That is biblical, what I just read. I didn't change anything. I was reading it in the niv.
- [86:34]
Top Lobster
But, like, maybe that's why the angels. That's why the angels always say fear not. Not just because they look like a bunch of eyes on a circle that's rotating and infinite or like a bunch of wings, you know, maybe. Yeah. They. They. In order to reach us, do they have to put you in a paralysis state like that?
- [86:52]
David Lee Corbo
Or maybe it's actually a byproduct of them entering. Because you ever hear people that talk about, like, dimensionally it's like, well, you're taking a four dimensional or higher being and you're putting it into a three dimensional realm. Remember we spoke to somebody that said it would be like putting your finger into, like through a substrate and then having it pop up. Like if we were to show up in Super Mario's world where it's two dimensional? Well, I guess if you're old like us, but back in the day when it was two dimensional, it would all of a sudden just look like, like a point appeared or something like that. Or like a finger just appear. You not see it coming. It would just suddenly manifest. Well, that's what you would see, but who the hell knows what you would feel if something suddenly just permeated the fabric of our reality? Right. Would it come with, you know, those, those globes that have electricity in them and if you touch them, all the electricity goes to your hand? Well, it's like just putting your hand on that. If something lived in that, you would totally disrupt the natural thing that's happening all the time. So maybe by just appearing here, there's a noise that's associated with that. It's like the tearing of our fabric, you know, and maybe there's like a vibration that just permeates everything, including our own bones and, and cellular structure. And then maybe that feels a lot like death.
- [88:08]
Izzy Centric
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're talking about the flesh here. The flesh, you know, it's selfish. It's. It's not completely broken, but it's fractured. It's why I rebuke total depravity, by the way. You have to work your way to total depravity. You don't. You aren't just born a God hater. But I don't want to get into that too much. I, I really don't like Western theology for the most part. But when it comes to the flesh, it can't comprehend the spirit. It's selfish in its own way. It wants what it wants. It's why we're always tempted to sin and tempt and test are actually two sides of the same coin. So you got the God testing you with every temptation and then the Devil tempting you with every test. So like, you know, it's the whole thing. But when it comes to the flesh trying to, trying to discern something, the flesh is gonna suck at it. So it's just fight or flight.
- [89:00]
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- [89:59]
Izzy Centric
That's all your body's experiencing. Jobe here. I don't even know if he was asleep. Maybe. Maybe the sleep paralysis came upon him while he was asleep. Maybe he was, like, about to fall asleep and then it hit him. Because, I mean, people talk about that happening, too. They get ready to go to sleep, their body isn't moving anymore, and suddenly, oh, God, I'm scared and I can't move. And that's kind of the.
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David Lee Corbo
Some people talk about it happening in the day, too. Like, I've heard the occasional rarity. But, like, the reason I believe these people is because, like, we just described, sleep paralysis has, like, a set of attributes that are pretty common as a pattern from one to the other. And so people will describe it. It's like, yeah, I was just kind of hanging out in the middle of the day, and all of a sudden, yeah, a creeping feel of fear snuck up on me, and a vibration or an electric humming, and then, boom. Next thing you know, you're fully paralyzed.
- [90:48]
Izzy Centric
Yeah. You guys. Are you guys familiar with the silver cord with astral projection? Well, you know, there is something in Ecclesiastes that talks about a silver cord. You guys aware of it?
- [91:03]
David Lee Corbo
No.
- [91:04]
Izzy Centric
Oh, it's so cool. Hold on.
- [91:07]
David Lee Corbo
That's interesting because I have watched my favorite Disney movie growing up now, which now I rebuke both Disney and this movie, but my favorite movie growing up was. Was Hercules. I loved the Disney movie Hercules. In fact. Oh, yeah.
- [91:22]
Izzy Centric
Yeah.
- [91:22]
David Lee Corbo
I. I kind of like, named my. One of my first podcasts Where I Belong in Homage. Man, this is incredibly.
- [91:33]
Top Lobster
I thought that that was a cool. I was like, that's a cool name. And now I'm thinking, oh, you know.
- [91:38]
David Lee Corbo
The song, dude, that song slapped. All right. I can't believe you now I have to. I rebuke my first. My Was my second. I rebuke my second podcast. I rebuke Disney. I rebuke Hercules because I don't know that Hercules was a good nephilim. I do believe that some nephilim were good, but I don't know if Hercules was one of them. So until the jury's in on that.
- [92:00]
Izzy Centric
It'S documented that Hercules would accidentally step on people and feel bad about it. So.
- [92:05]
David Lee Corbo
All right, well, hey, sometimes I kill bugs. And when I do kill bugs, I'm like, damn it, dude. Except for, like, mosquitoes. I don't give a. About mosquitoes. But I do feel bad if I kill a spider. I'm like, damn, bro, I didn't know you were there.
- [92:16]
Izzy Centric
Right. But, you know, you also have the clash of the titans that. That Greek mythology talks about, but in the Book of Enoch, God says, I'll turn them against each other. And it's like, whoa, that's an overlap. And that's all. That's all demonology is.90 of it, I say is comparative mythology. Anybody can do that. They would be a demonologist if they did that. You look at one mythos, you compare it to the Bible. If you want to be a Christian demonologist. Anyway, you compare two mythos, see how they compare. Then you compare it with the Bible, you know, and then you just kind of keep doing that until you're. Until it, you know, sticks in your head.
- [92:50]
Top Lobster
Well, that's kind of what this show is about. Like, yeah, Gary Wayne's entire book over there, he was on the show also. But that's. That's exactly what it is. I just wouldn't have thought to call myself a demon demonologist or aspiring one, but I suppose we're on that route.
- [93:06]
Izzy Centric
Well, you know, the. The body of Christ is made up of every single part, including the nether regions. And I believe, because it talks about. Paul briefly talks about, you know, if you're an eye, don't say to the hand, I have no need of you. But I. I believe the demonologists are essentially the loins of the body. They can't just be open. You know, the body needs pants. So whether it. Whether we're, you know, the cheeks, whether we're the loins, whatever the case may be, we are a covered part of the body that is meant to stay decent.
- [93:41]
Top Lobster
I think you're a. I think that you're a more important part of the body than you think, especially in these times.
- [93:47]
Izzy Centric
That's okay. Actually, now I. Now I have to bring this up. Hold on.
- [93:53]
David Lee Corbo
Also, now we've just totally let the chat know that I'm gay, and it's just. It's over for me. It's over for me. That's the best song, by the way, of any Disney movie. Was Where I Belong. There should have been more stanzas. There should have been more.
- [94:07]
Top Lobster
It's just to name your podcast after one like that is just.
- [94:11]
David Lee Corbo
It wasn't, like, named after it, but it was like, that was my favorite movie coming up. Because I've always had this feeling of, like, it's what drove me to. To do a show in the first place is like, I feel like I meant to do something. Was never able to shake that. And Hercules has that. It's why I also like Moana, right? Because Moana is being called to something, dude, but she doesn't know what she's being called to.
- [94:31]
Top Lobster
The metaphorical shovel that you're digging this hole. It's inescapable.
- [94:36]
David Lee Corbo
I love moai.
- [94:39]
Izzy Centric
Get PTSD when I hear that ding. And the stupid DVD intro to that stupid movie. My son watched it, and I wanted to snap the DVD in half. Fun fact about Moana, though. I find it really interesting that Maui gets struck right in the forehead with a stone, and that knocks him over.
- [94:58]
Top Lobster
Oh, yeah.
- [94:59]
Izzy Centric
Immediately, I was. Was like, hey, that's kind of like David with the sling.
- [95:03]
Top Lobster
Some Nephilim.
- [95:03]
David Lee Corbo
And he is a Nephilim. He. He is a Nephilim. He's a demigod, right?
- [95:07]
Izzy Centric
So, guys, check this out. This is first 1 Corinthians, chapter 12. Because you. You had mentioned that demonologists are more important now than ever. And so where Paul says, if. If all were all one member, where would the body be? Right? And then I already said the part where, you know, if you say, if the head says to the feet, I have no need of you, right? But then it says, no, Much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary, and those members of the body which we think to be less honorable. On these, we bestow the greater honor. And our unpresentable body parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that which lacks it. And there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. I immediately think, okay, demonology, but you got to be covered. You can't just go spouting it anywhere and everywhere, right? This is clear, concise. It's. It's in a concentrated space If a street preacher did what we did, he'd probably get his ass kicked, honestly.
- [96:18]
Top Lobster
Yep. Demonology is the big dick of the body, and you got to know when to whip it out. All right, that was inappropriate. I'm sorry. I can't help myself.
- [96:27]
David Lee Corbo
I was gonna say this show is very much like, the balls or something, where, like, we're just constantly showing ourselves, and God's like, you're important, but please stop just whipping yourself out.
- [96:40]
Izzy Centric
Hey, hey. It's one of those things where. Because. Because believe me, despite, you know, the occasional ass and whatever small, little PG13 curse words I've said on this podcast, God has really pulled me in to be much more careful with my tongue. And I think that's a fantastic example of. Okay. Greater modesty. What does it mean to cover up? It means to present it in such a way at the right time and, you know, not whip it out, throw it around.
- [97:14]
David Lee Corbo
Present the balls at the right time. You know, I. I feel like I have that calling all the time where I feel like God looks at me and he's like, dude, awesome. Doing great. Crushing. And then I'll just say something on the Internet, and God's like, whoa, what are you doing?
- [97:35]
Izzy Centric
You can feel it sometimes times. You can feel it.
- [97:37]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yes.
- [97:38]
Izzy Centric
Yeah.
- [97:39]
Top Lobster
Sometimes. Sometimes. Yes. Sometimes I say, God, this is how you made. Like, whatever's going on in my brain. Like, you. You allowed the structure of my brain to be formatted this way. All the little wrinkles in it. It's like, yo, dude, this is.
- [97:54]
David Lee Corbo
I feel like that's what God's like, I made you as a test. You weren't supposed to love the fact that I made you were supposed to overcome the fact that I made you retarded.
- [98:06]
Izzy Centric
Well, you know something?
- [98:07]
David Lee Corbo
I'm like, it's my favorite part.
- [98:09]
Izzy Centric
And if we. If I may, we can talk very briefly about deliverance ministry and how they always believe. Like, you see them always casting these demons out of people over and over again, and it's always Christians they're casting them out of. And I always found that fascinating. Like, are they just never free? There are people who are addicted to this feeling of being delivered. Delivered over and over again.
- [98:33]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
- [98:35]
Izzy Centric
And so it's just one of those weird. I also don't believe in filming exorcisms, not unless I have the person's consent, in which case y'all film it kind of hard to ask consents, consent when the person's convulsing on the floor and speaking, you know, Backwards tongues or something. But, you know, there. There was. And, you know, not that I'm trying to bash Bob Larson over and over again, but I will say if you watch his show, his old show, where he would sit there and take his microphone and go, what's your name, demon? It's like, dude.
- [99:04]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah.
- [99:06]
Izzy Centric
You look like. It looks like the Jerry Springer Show. Yeah, I'm not even kidding. It looks like something out of Jerry Springer.
- [99:11]
David Lee Corbo
Agreed.
- [99:12]
Izzy Centric
And so I don't like it. I don't. I don't like. And. And there's many others in the deliverance ministry space who still do that, where they will record it no matter what. And, like, it's. It's not meant. And I. I know the defense on the other side. It's like. I know the pushback anyway, where it's like, okay, well, let me. Let me contend with. You know, the Gospels were written down, and it's like, I can document with a pen and paper now. It's vastly different than me filming it. And then you can see it. You can hear it. Some people, they. They can't handle that. That. And, yeah, you don't know what that's gonna do to people. I mean, and it's just one of those things where I'm just really careful about it, you know, I've only actually bumped into one demon. It was through a Skype call with a guy. And I don't give away his personal information, but I will say the dude was more fit than I ever could be. He was in military. He owned a gym or. No, he was like, second. Second to a gym with a. With a business partner. And he had these dark circles, Circles under his eyes, and he was exhausted. And I was like, dude, what. What was going on? And he said, since I was a kid, I had this thing in my head that would always be talking to me and predicting things, and it just never shut up. And I was like, do you have ocd? He goes, I have definitely. I definitely have ocd. Well, when I started asking him about some of these things, he went on to say that this. The voice in his head that he believed were his own thoughts. He went and said it would predict deaths of people, and then it would come to pass. And I. And I told him very quickly. I was like, okay, thoughts don't do that. And so it was almost like a broken Magic 8 ball. You know, it was just like.
- [101:03]
David Lee Corbo
He's like, I just thought I was super smart.
- [101:05]
Izzy Centric
Right?
- [101:06]
Top Lobster
Have you ever seen this guy?
- [101:10]
David Lee Corbo
No.
- [101:10]
Izzy Centric
No.
- [101:11]
Top Lobster
Dr. Jerry Marzinski. So yeah, an amazing journey into the psychotic mind. So that's what, what you just described is what he's been studying his whole life, where he's talking about schizophrenia.
- [101:24]
Izzy Centric
Oh, you're gonna love what I have to say about this then, because I, I had the. I had. Oh, if you had something to add to that, I apologize if I cut you off.
- [101:32]
Top Lobster
Go ahead, finish.
- [101:34]
Izzy Centric
Okay. Okay, cool. I appreciate it. Okay. So I'm so excited about this. It was the first time I had ever casted out a demon and it only happened like less than a year ago. Not every demonologist gets the chance to actually apply what they know to the field. Dr. Michael Heiser is a fantastic. You know, he died last year. But I don't, I'm not saying, like he never cast out a demon. It's possible he did. I don't know. But what I do know is he definitely didn't lead with that. And so I was looking up the. It was Apostle Paul and the slave woman who was following him around. And I think it was Barnabas too, following him around and saying, he who comes in the name of the Lord. He who comes in the name of Lord. He's here to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. He finally turns around like two or three days in and says, in the name of Jesus Christ, I rebuke. You know, I cast out it you. And it left her. And if he got in trouble for that because she, the spirit would predict things and that she, she would help her owners win gambles and they just, just costed us money. Well, the spirit, when you look up in the book, because it's in the book of Acts when it happens, the spirit's name is Python.
- [102:53]
David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
- [102:54]
Izzy Centric
Well, it gets weirder because Python was in Greek mythology. You had these oracles and these oracles had to be pure, they had to be virgins, they couldn't be defiled in any way, shape or form. They had to be celibate and then they would allow. I don't know if it was Apollos, if it wasn't Apollos, it was one of the Greek gods that, that conquered a snake by the name of Python. And yeah, no, it doesn't matter.
- [103:23]
David Lee Corbo
It's interesting. You actually see that in the beginning of the film 300 where he has to go to Leonidas, has to go to the oracles to get a basically blessing from this elder council on whether or not he should go to war. And the way that they determine it is by listening to the oracle. And the oracle is this young girl who they describe as a virgin who, you know, is, I guess, under the influence of some sort of drug, and that allows her to channel these things and get information like that. So this was like a coveted position within. Yeah. Greek structure.
- [103:57]
Izzy Centric
Right.
- [103:57]
Top Lobster
This is actually interesting, the computer programming language as well. Python.
- [104:01]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's interesting.
- [104:03]
Izzy Centric
I hate it when that happens. Freaking just. Nothing is original. There's nothing new under the sun, as Ecclesiastes says. But, you know, I'm sitting there and I'm looking at Python. Python, right. And not the. Not the coding language, but I'm looking at this spirit, you know, in this story, and I think to myself, okay, if this demon is a python spirit, it is very old. And I turned to him and I said, hey, humor me. This is gonna be a little weird. I said, I'm going to see if it'll manifest. Okay, so I'm not talking to you. And then he said, okay, go ahead. And then I said, python, I'm speaking to you now in Jesus Christ's name. Jesus of Nazareth, come forward now. I'm talking to you now. Speak. And then he leans into the camera and goes, no. And he's like, breathing heavy. And then he walks away, comes back, and he starts going, wtf? I'm trying not to say the F word, but he's. He's like, just swearing. What the f. What the f. What the. And he's crying. And I said, I'm gonna assume that's never happened to you before. And he said, never. He said, the thought in my head came to life and spoke through my mouth. And so then I told him, I said, okay, well, you're. You're at work right now, and I know it's. It's all, you know, you're about to close up, but let's. Let's not do this now because I can't guarantee it'll be out in five minutes or less. And so I. I said, don't let it freak you about too much. But now we know it's there, so we'll come back the next week and then, you know, when you're alone, and then I can. We'll go and do this.
- [105:37]
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- [106:38]
Izzy Centric
It it spoke to him directly for the first time and he told me what it said. It said to him, I don't like him. I don't care where you go or what you do do. Don't speak to him again. And then later it started, it was like stages of grief. Then it started bargaining with him. I'll do anything you want. I'll stay quiet. Just don't talk to him again. So it went from like, threatening demeanor down to giving him nightmares, dreams, draining him of his sleep. It was doing everything it could. And, you know, we ended up getting.
- [107:13]
David Lee Corbo
I'm trying to bargain with him.
- [107:14]
Izzy Centric
It was. Yeah, it was bargaining with them for sure. Yeah.
- [107:18]
David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
- [107:19]
Izzy Centric
So nuts.
- [107:20]
David Lee Corbo
You might actually, I would definitely recommend reaching out to Dr. Jerry Marzinski. You. You'd find him fascinating. But like top said, 30, 30 plus years dealing with schizophrenia, he comes out the other end saying that this is demonic influence. And that kind of fits a pattern. One thing that you just described there, where it did not want him talking to you, this is something that Dr. Jerry Marzinski said was a common theme amongst these schizophrenic patients was that these voices, they would tell the victims that I don't want you talking to him. And oftentimes things will get significantly worse for people with schizophrenia if they start to talk about it. One of the things don't want to be talked about.
- [108:07]
Izzy Centric
Right.
- [108:08]
Top Lobster
One of the things he said that I remember that's real interesting is as he's so he's in a jail cell and he's dealing with the schizophrenic patients, but he's dealing with them in a different way because so he used to work in like a hospital. And they were like, you can't do that. You can't address these voices as if they're not hallucinations because the patients are getting disruptive. And I'm sure that things were getting crazy if you're doing that with every patient in that hospital. But in the jail, nobody Cared because it's a jail. You know, they're like these people. And at one point, I guess he's caused such a disruption in the general population there that has schizophrenia, asking about their. Their entities that are talking to them, that one of them comes to him and says, you have no right to interfere with our way of life. It's like, you have no right to interfere with our way of life. There's rules. There's rules to that. Yeah. And then he has another encounter with a guy, sits at his desk, and he tells him. He said, I want you to read this part of this. This article. And the article basically said, perhaps, you know, the voices in someone's head are not hallucinations, but maybe they're entities. And he says, and the guy kind of like, goes blank, like a zombie. He hears static that crawls along the wall behind him, and he's, like, looking at it, watching it travel into his garbage can. It jumps in there. He looks in. Nothing there. The guy gets up. He says, I've got to go. He says, yeah, you should go. And he just leaves the room. Weeks later, he sees the guy again, and he says, hey, that was really interesting. Like, you look better. You see, I've been taking your advice, Doctor. But he's like, said, well, what happened? What the hell? What was that? And he says, that was the. The voices. He said, I heard the crackling. And the guy was surprised that he could hear this electric crackling going throughout the room. He said, yeah, I did hear it. And he says, well, entertain me. What did they say? And he said, the voice is said to go out, find something sharp, and stick it in your guts. And he said, whoa. Well, why didn't you do that? And he said, because I couldn't find anything. No one would give it to me. Yeah, see that.
- [110:26]
Izzy Centric
That reminds me. Okay, do you guys know of the real Emily Rose?
- [110:33]
David Lee Corbo
Familiar with it? Yeah. Well, I'm familiar with the. What is it? The Exorcism of Emily Rose.
- [110:38]
Izzy Centric
Yeah, she's based on. She's based on a German woman by the name of Annelise Michelle. You guys know who she is?
- [110:45]
David Lee Corbo
No.
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Top Lobster
No.
- [110:47]
Izzy Centric
You can find her clips online. In fact, hey, do you. Can you guys pull up a video and go ahead and show that type?
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [110:54]
Izzy Centric
How do you use Michelle tapes? Just. Just put on YouTube. I think you. I think you guys, as viewers would love that.
- [111:01]
Top Lobster
Okay.
- [111:04]
David Lee Corbo
It's interesting, too, because one of the other things you mentioned before was these things kind of being able to predict things, and I imagine that there's like lesser and greater entities that are interacting with schizophrenic patients or people that are suffering from it. I wouldn't necessarily call them patients and maybe not even schizophrenia. Right. But they often have these attributes of precognition where, like, they'll do it on a small scale and a grand scale, where sometimes it'll be like, you know. One story in particular I heard was a schizophrenic guy sitting on public transportation, and the voices kept saying, the man in the yellow shirt. The man in the yellow shirt. And then at the next stop, a man with a yellow shirt got on the bus and sat directly next to him. And then I guess there's other ones that are like, and by the way, the Green Bay packers are gonna win.
- [111:54]
Izzy Centric
It's like, why can't you guys be useful every time?
- [112:00]
Top Lobster
I'm gonna shoes. See what this. What's going on here?
- [112:05]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, what an.
- [113:07]
Top Lobster
Like, it's being interrogated.
- [113:08]
Izzy Centric
Yeah. Yeah. By the way, the exorcism failed.
- [113:15]
Top Lobster
The what?
- [113:15]
Izzy Centric
The exorcism failed.
- [113:17]
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- [114:17]
Top Lobster
This one.
- [114:18]
Izzy Centric
Yeah, it failed. She, Annelise, and this is in Germany, by the way. It's the only real reason why. But she ended up dying from malnutrition.
- [114:31]
David Lee Corbo
Whoa.
- [114:32]
Izzy Centric
It wouldn't let her.
- [114:33]
David Lee Corbo
So this thing starved the host.
- [114:35]
Izzy Centric
Yeah. And they wouldn't turn her in over to the hospital because they thought they weren't trying to hurt her. They were just trying to hurry up and get it out of her. And they couldn't. And, you know, in retrospect, they should have just went and put her in the hospital and said, hey, we were trying to help her, but, you know, she needs to eat because they could have forced a feeding tube down her throat or whatever, through the nose or however it works. But I'll tell you this, too. I looked up her condition. Do you. Can you guys guess what the. What the skeptic or what, like, the consensus is around her diagnosis?
- [115:05]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, I would imagine schizophrenia, probably paranoid.
- [115:08]
Izzy Centric
Schizophrenia, Temporary temporal lobe epilepsy.
- [115:12]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, wow. So these are just seizures.
- [115:16]
Izzy Centric
It wasn't just seizures, though. In fact, I looked up temporal lobe epilepsy, and it turns out that there are people who experience temporal lobe epilepsy, and when they wake up, they feel omnipotent, like. Like. Like they're a God or like they're the God. And what's even stranger is if there's another YouTuber by the name of the conscious man who had an eight gram mushroom trip where he recorded five, four or five different entities that spoke through him. And it sounded like nihilism combined with some level of love and light, like. Like in a duality kind of sense, where it was like. Like yin and yang. And it was the strangest thing because they also called themselves God. They said, we are God. Now, he doesn't believe that those are demons necessarily. You can see Christians flooding his YouTube comments section saying, hey, those are demons, bro. But it's just weird because you compare his mushroom trip experience where he encounters demons, demons speaking through him. And then you look at people with temporal lobe epilepsy, they also feel like. Like their God. And then you see Anneliese Michelle going through an exorcism, and then she's just screaming at the top of her lungs. But if you. And you don't have to do it now. But look, if you look up the conscious man and his mushroom trip, listen to the way that the entity speaks through him, because it does the growling and the hissing, and it almost sounds like it. Ha. It's dying. It'll let out these long breaths where it goes to struggle to say another sentence and another sentence and another sentence. And I'll tell you what, a demon's theology, it's. It's definitely something special.
- [117:04]
David Lee Corbo
I think that's. It sounds to me, you know, this is just going off of instinct, but it probably takes an incredible amount of energy and effort to possess a human being. And that's why oftentimes these things sound almost like they're struggling or like they're dying or they're. It's. There's a. An incredible amount of force in their voice trying to come through. Because when we spoke earlier about my experience and you said that this thing started off by scaring me and it's feeding off of this low vibrational. This is very much the impression that I got was that it was feeding off of me. It took a couple of nights for it to gain the strength to be able to show itself. I think everything requires energy from them and that nothing is done easily. Which is why it's my opinion that they make these, these bio mechanical gray suits and able to inhabit this thing, to interface with this realm because it takes a lot, takes a lot of energy. Sometimes it takes technology. And before top you go on, I just wanted to also say that this thing that he's communicating with, with through the mushrooms, claiming to be God or whatever the case is, that's the same thing that the aliens or you know, aliens want us to believe is that they are God. They created us. So like there's so many parallels to me that indicate that this is all part of the same deception.
- [118:26]
Izzy Centric
Same, same deception, same battle, same war, all the same thing.
- [118:30]
Top Lobster
Would you say that they're desperate?
- [118:32]
Izzy Centric
Oh yeah.
- [118:33]
Top Lobster
Like a possession is an act of desperation. Then I.
- [118:37]
Izzy Centric
Well, in, in. So in first Enoch it talks about how first of all God deems them as evil spirits. So it doesn't call them demons, it calls them evil spirits. But it goes on to say that you will hunger and never. And never be full. You will thirst and you will thirst and you'll never, you'll never drink of water. And then you go. You flip over to the Bible. In the book of Matthew, it says when an unclean spirit leaves a person, it seeks rest and finds none. Jesus says you'll. When you eat from my, the bread of life, you will never hunger again. When you drink of me, you'll never thirst again. I am your rest. So I mean, these things are literally the most godless Antichrist things you could ever find. They're every.
- [119:35]
David Lee Corbo
So they're thirsty, they're hungry, they're, they're tired, they're like, this is who is, is coming for us.
- [119:42]
Izzy Centric
And they're in waterless places, they're in the wilderness.
- [119:45]
Top Lobster
Do you think a human, a human soul can degrade itself down to that, to the level of a demon?
- [119:53]
Izzy Centric
No.
- [119:54]
Top Lobster
I don't know. Okay.
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David Lee Corbo
Does it become something different though? Like, like Aleister Crowley, you know, might have really gave that system a run for its money.
- [120:04]
Top Lobster
Someone who's in communion, such communion with these things that they may become almost like them. Like what happens with these people?
- [120:11]
Izzy Centric
There was a time when I really? Oh, oh, okay. That what you just said. So I do believe that you can have people who are not necessarily demons, but in their past life as a human. They're so hateful, they're so nasty. There's something about them that causes them to kind of stick around in a journey of sorts. And this is a mystery, by the way. If we're all wrong about this, it's a non salvation topic, it's whatever. But there was this story of. My coworker by the name of Tammy told me about the story of this old elderly woman in a rocking chair who would just stare at you when you were in the room. And she wasn't really there. Not everyone could see her. And she had the most hideous, nastiest look on her face. And she swore that she was alive at one point, but it didn't hurt her, it didn't cast any mental images in her head. It was just sitting there. So. And that goes back to my theory on ghosts not being able to actually do anything. If it can scratch you, call it a demon. If it can give you nightmares, call it a demon. Now ghosts can enter your dreams. I do believe that for the case of my son and me, I believe that there was a woman that wanted me to solve her murder. I wrote an article on it. It was a very, very scary thing. It very. I was very perplexed by it too, because she had these, like, rose. Those rosy glasses from like the early 90s, late 80s. And so her mother was a very controlling woman and it was like she was hijacking my dream and just enter. She was entering herself into my dream over and over again. And in the dream I felt bad and like I decided to date her, but I also thought in my mind my wife might kill me, but I think she'll understand where I'm coming from if I'm just nice to her. So something told me that she. I'm not going to say she was slow, but she did have brain surgery according to the, like the, the dream itself, but it was just the weirdest thing. Never saw her again either. But I truly believe her mother killed her. And I think she wanted me to figure it out. It was just a weird set of. I, I didn't mean to go on that tangent, but like, as far as ghosts and dreams, they can happen. I, I do believe that.
- [122:40]
David Lee Corbo
Interesting. Yeah, I, I sometimes, you know, I think I alluded to it before in the beginning of the show, talking about whether or not time works the same in this, like, afterlife, this maybe like a purgatory or a waiting room before everyone's judged. Because people often say, what are they just sitting around waiting, you know, for hundreds and hundreds or thousands of years? Or the other one that I can't answer is why are they always in Victorian era garb? Although the one that you saw, she said she has 80s or 90s glasses on or something like that, so that's always nice to get one.
- [123:17]
Izzy Centric
A teenager at about the time I was born, so she would be in her 50s by now if she were still alive.
- [123:24]
David Lee Corbo
I I had a dream once, I guess a premonition that my uncle, who was very influential to me was sort of a mentor, was in a shopping mall with me, like a supermarket. And he was dressed in. He was an older guy in his like 50s or 60s, early 60s. But in this dream his hair was like significantly whiter and his beard was all white where it used to be like salt and pepper. And he was in a white robe and he was walking away from me and I'm trying to get his attention and he won't turn around, he won't pay attention to me and I keep trying to get around him, but the supermarket aisle is so narrow for some reason that I can't squeeze by him to get in front of him. And so he just keeps walking and walking and eventually I wake up and that same week I was at a supermarket and when we came back with the groceries in our hands still, we had a text message that said that he died. There was a complication at the doctor's office with his medication, and he died there in the doctor's office in his wife's arms. And yeah, there's just a lot of weirdness when it comes to as humans.
- [124:42]
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- [125:41]
David Lee Corbo
Dreams and. And I, I don't know, I feel like we. This probably be the fourth time we've brought it up in this show, but it's very disappointing that we've let the new age movement have all the cool things because these things are important and they're meaningful and I mean, they're important. You know, we should be paying more attention to these things. Things. But yeah, all of it is so tainted with this. One, this distaste that I have for that movement. And two, this sort of fear because we don't have the, the training or the, or the information. And it's all sort of granted to, not granted to, but it's all corrupted and, and inverted by this other side of the aisle.
- [126:30]
Top Lobster
And that's in the same way. In the same way, like the left culture right now, the left wing culture has, you know, the best musicians and some of the better, you know, movie makers and things like that. Now the right has to play catch up and they're doing that. They try to do that with the Daily Wire. That was a bit subversive. But there's more and more creatives popping up on the right, which, I mean, again, not to compare the left wing to, you know, the devil and the right wing, that's like played out, but there is some sort of a resemblance there. And there has been like an ignorance of culture from the right wing in the same way there's been an ignorance of your spiritual culture for Christianity or at least to a certain level.
- [127:14]
Izzy Centric
My, My favorite Christian film in the horror genre is probably From Dusk till Dawn. And that throws people off when I tell them. But if you pay attention to the movie, you have lights that are. You. You have, you have light shining in the darkness in the movie, in the premise with all of the nudity, the blood, the gore, everything in that. You also have servants of God. And then you find out, wait, crosses work. The man takes a shotgun and a. And the, the ex preacher, because he's retired, he takes it. He takes a bat, takes it through the, the hoop of the shotgun where you put the strap in the front and then just cocks it and starts holding it up. And it keeps them at bay. And then when one of the vampires acts up, he just shoots it, cocks it again and just keeps it up. And it was just. That's so significant. Not to mention, you know, being a 90s baby. The movie came out in 96, but it's just, you know, one of. One of a handful of movies that stand out to me where I'm like, you know, if they weren't afraid of actually talking about Jesus Christ in movies even a little bit. Even a little bit. It doesn't even have to be on the nose as far as, like, you know, being so obvious about it to where it's just, you know, being preachy, because let's be. Well, let's face it. The message is being preachy to us now from the left. We gotta sit there and deal with the damsels in distress that are. Aren't distressed anymore because they're Mary Sues. They don't need to learn anything new. And, you know, they're destroying franchises left and right. So, I mean, like. And that's just one aspect of it. You have. You have other parts of the woke culture that have gotten into it as well.
- [128:59]
Top Lobster
That's kind of also why it goes back to. I. I don't want to keep you too long, but it goes back to what. What we were talking about with. With our language and how we're presenting ourselves. I've almost made a conscious decision to not. It's not really censoring myself, but to not be completely clean. I have this rough edge of these things that I say because I'm like. I notice that that's like a. It's a tool that has been. I mean, that. That is used by the other side. Was used by the other side, and now they've kind of abandoned it. But it's like, it's just a way to tell the truth. And I know it's. It's weird, but, like, you're saying, like a nudity in this. In this movie, it creates this culture, and then it tells the truth and people see it.
- [129:45]
Izzy Centric
Well, the world is a dirty place.
- [129:47]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [129:49]
Izzy Centric
And, you know, it's just one of those things and. And talk about what. I don't know if you were getting at this, but cleaning up language and things like that. You do that in Christian films, and all you're doing is kind of creating a piece of propaganda. It doesn't feel real at all.
- [130:05]
Top Lobster
That's what it feels like. Right? It. It feels like you're in a, you know, like, not a padded room, but like a. A room that's been completely wiped down. And it's just not realistic.
- [130:16]
Izzy Centric
No, it's what we're doing. Realistic. There are people who die to hell.
- [130:19]
David Lee Corbo
You know, Like, I do want to say this too. It's like, how many people do you. Do you bump into. Not bump into. But they're these influencers and let's say they're of a Christian lean, right? Well, there is an. Not an air of arrogance or like a holier than thou that like drives people away. Where I have found that as long as I am myself, and obviously there is a certain amount of like remorse or, or, you know, I feel sometimes in the way that I slip or the way that I sin, I suppose. But my approachability brings people to the conversation where it's like, I'm not the. The way in the life Jesus Christ is God is. Is the point. If I can bring you to it by just being who I am, then that's so much better than, you know, these, these. Or maybe it's not better than. Maybe there is just a crowd that's not being spoken to and maybe we get to speak to that crowd.
- [131:16]
Top Lobster
Different part of the body maybe. I don't know.
- [131:19]
Izzy Centric
Well, okay, so I like to think of it like this. I used to play RPGs all the time. Then I realized that like, I have something of an addicted personality. So I stopped. But you think about people who. They like buying the armor early on so that even though they're a level five, they have their credit card, their mom's credit card, and they now they look like a level 58 or whatever. Christians are doing that every day.
- [131:43]
David Lee Corbo
They're.
- [131:43]
Izzy Centric
They are a level five Christian. They're going into level 58 territory. They're wearing the, you know, this armor that it's just cosmetic it and they're faking it till they make it. And that's just not the way to do it. Be authentic to yourself. Don't try not to sin. That doesn't work because when you try not to do something, you think about doing it, but just do. Ironically bringing up Paul again, but Paul said, do all in the glory of God. Whatever you do, do all in the glory of God. And so just do it in the glory of God and you stay in the light. And if you stumble, which is, you know, another word for sin really, if you stumble, you just get back up, right? I'm not saying you don't have to ask forgiveness for that sin, but what I am saying is keep moving forward. Forward. Be yourself, though, you know, I mean, you got every day that I'm sure are spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ.
- [132:42]
Top Lobster
The armor. The armor thing that you mentioned, I forgot who we had on that was talking about David and Goliath. But David was offered the armor and he's like, this doesn't fit me right. It's. And I'm not using that. I'm going to take this sling in dark.
- [132:58]
Izzy Centric
In other words words in Dark Souls. This is bad for me. I can't move. I can't. I'm not going to dodge roll in this man. Like I need to ditch it perhaps.
- [133:06]
Top Lobster
Yeah, very interesting, very interesting. Think about it that way, man. But listen, we've kept you here for two hours this been. See that and shout out to Cam who told me about you. This is a. I. This is a fascinating conversation. You're a fascinating dude. We were probably ask you to come on again in the future, man.
- [133:26]
Izzy Centric
Well, I appreciate that.
- [133:28]
Top Lobster
Absolutely. Can you, can you tell our audience they were asking before in the chat. That's why I put the names up. Tell them your name, where they can find you all that stuff.
- [133:36]
Izzy Centric
Yeah, sure. So my name is Israel. Israel Petty is my full name. You can find me on Izzy Centric on just about any social media because I tried to snatch that up before, you know, some bot got it. But yeah, yeah, I'm a Bible teacher and I study demonology. I am actually trying to work on us shifting over into something more of a podcast space or segments that range anywhere between five minutes to 25 minutes to 45 minutes.
- [134:05]
Top Lobster
But I'm trying not two hours.
- [134:07]
Izzy Centric
Well, even if I did reach, even if I did reach 2 hours, my problem is I do UMS and butts all the time. And so I plan on just chopping myself up and doing jump cuts and pre recorded stuff and then making sure it sounds good for Spotify because people keep saying, hey, you got a good voice and I'll subscribe to you in a heartbeat if, if you switch into that space. And I'm like, think about it. I'll think about it. But yeah, so ranging between aliens, cryptids, ghosts, anything in the paranormal. I'll talk about esoteric Hollywood. I like talking about that. And I know that Jay Dyer does too. And then guys, it sucks that he ended up. But butting heads with you guys. I hate that we're gonna.
- [134:44]
Top Lobster
I mean, I mean we can.
- [134:46]
David Lee Corbo
He probably does like us. Or not rather. He probably doesn't like us. We like him. I don't mind him at all. I just like that the thing is.
- [134:56]
Top Lobster
It was just got. I don't know what happened. He. He got weird with David. It was very strange. And we were supposed to have him on the next day and I said, hey listen, like this is not the type of show that we run. We don't do debates. We don't do that. Kind of like, like if you're coming on, we're gonna greet. If you were here physically with me, I'd give you something to drink, something to eat. Come sit down. You know, like very. That's how I like to run this show.
- [135:19]
David Lee Corbo
So not adversarial.
- [135:21]
Top Lobster
That's adversarial, yes.
- [135:23]
Izzy Centric
I'll tell you guys this. I actually, I lean to the east. I'm not orthodox myself. I have my reservations. But if, if I can help be a little bit of like a transitional person, you know, I'd love to talk with the man myself, honestly. And that really goes for LA Marzulli as well, because I'll tell you what, love la.
- [135:44]
David Lee Corbo
He's awesome.
- [135:44]
Izzy Centric
It was great having Bob Larson want to have me on, but as soon as he did that and started exploiting me and then started like really defamating me, I was just like, okay, if we could like not have that happen again, you know, if I, if I could have nice chill conversations like this, I'm all for it. Absolutely.
- [136:05]
Top Lobster
Awesome. Maybe we could set something up. David, I think your, your screen's frozen. But we can hear you, David. Anywhere they can find you. Whatever.
- [136:13]
David Lee Corbo
Guys, don't forget to go to Sam TripleY.com get those tickets. We only got three days. So if you're watching live and the episode will probably air on audio tomorrow, so you still might have a chance, come and see us in Summerfield at the joke joint with Sam Tripley. Don't forget to go to patreon.com nephilim death squad. We are starting a website soon. So this exclusive episode that's airing on Patreon, which is going to be a Q and A, is going to be one of one on Patreon, I'm sure, because after that it's probably going to air on the website. So go check that out. It's going to be April 3rd when that airs and that'll be live. But you got to be a Patreon member to be able to see it. And also at the five dollar tier, you'll gain access to our telegram. That QR code in the bottom of the screen, scan that and. And you know, take it away. Other than that, I, I think that's it. Oh, wait, wait, one more thing. Go to toplopson.com and grab that red heifer shirt before they kill that bad boy at the end of March.
- [137:13]
Top Lobster
Save the red heifers. All right, guys, we'll see you on Saturday. Peace out.
- [137:18]
David Lee Corbo
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.
- [137:20]
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A oblong box in the corner of the room.
- [137:23]
David Lee Corbo
It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.
- [137:27]
Izzy Centric
You can persuade people that what they.
- [137:30]
David Lee Corbo
See with their eyes is what there is to see, because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.
- [137:40]
Izzy Centric
And they have.
- [137:48]
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