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Top Lobster
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Kelly Patrick
Down but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave taking fullness now when no one's talking about how they made us hard to be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the closet. Want to wake up to a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day.
Top Lobster
Everybody is slaves only.
Kelly Patrick
Only some are aware that the government. Welcome to the Kelly Patrick show. Thank you for tuning in. In today's episode, I am joined by Top Lobster. Top is of the libertarian World Tower Gang pod fame, but also he does many other things. Top Lobster, thanks so much for joining me.
Top Lobster
Hey, what's up, man? Thanks for having me. It's been a long time, right? I think we've been trying to schedule this for maybe two years.
Kelly Patrick
We have. Yeah. I. You are the last the. How many Tower Gang guys are There.
Top Lobster
It's five. Yep.
Kelly Patrick
Five. So you're the last of the five that I am to interview.
Top Lobster
So the best of the.
Kelly Patrick
Appreciate you, mate. Is that right? You are the best of the five.
Top Lobster
I've been told by myself and many others, they said, believe me, he's the best. He's a. You. You interviewed Cole as well?
Kelly Patrick
I did, yeah. I got to ask him. You know, I, I like to. I, I'm a journalist, so I have to ask the hold up my journalistic integrity. And I even asked him about the stuff penetrating his ass, you know, the knurling.
Top Lobster
Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
I'm sorry, what was the other one?
Top Lobster
What was that? It was, it was a razor. But not the sharp end of the razor. It's the other side, the knurled end, you know, like with the. Has like little patterns on it. So for grip. Yeah, apparently he has that grippy. But that's a. This is, this is not going the way I thought it would go.
Kelly Patrick
And then when I had toad on, I got him to tell the. Obviously his story, which he doesn't shy away from. About him beating off in the hotel room. Yeah, I like to jump. Do you have any stories like that about yourself?
Top Lobster
No, I don't beat off in hotel rooms. I don't put things in my ass. I, I do other interesting things, but they're, you know, they're my friends, so I hang around these guys. But do I have any interesting stories myself? Interesting in that way? No, I don't think so. I'm not, I'm not that like, crazy of a person, I guess. I'll tell you a little bit about my story and how I started. I was working for the MTA in New York City and like, kind of discovering libertarianism as we all were around, what a 2015. 20. Really? 2014s into, you know, the 2018 era. So all the way through the, the whole Trump administration and, and that whole thing going on, and you go through your, like, partially goofy phase where you're running around with a big yellow hat saying taxation is theft, and then you realize that that's kind of retarded and gay, even though it is theft. Yeah, I do agree with that. But, you know, the tenets around libertarianism kind of turned out to not work, especially after 2020. I don't know where you, where do you stand on. On these days?
Kelly Patrick
I was not libertarian. I was a run of the mill Republican who didn't pay that close of attention until 2020.
Top Lobster
Okay.
Kelly Patrick
Yeah, so I saw the overreach with the COVID and so I, I did not vote for Trump this time. I don't call people who voted for Trump. I try not to call them bigots and like that. So I'm not like a Sarwark libertarian, you know, or anything. I try not to be like that. But, you know, I, I, I don't know exactly what the solution is. I'll certainly admit the libertarian approach doesn't seem to be killing it, really. I will be attending my first convention, to be honest, so I'm going to try to help here in Kentucky a little bit if I can. Doesn't seem like, you know, it's really making much grounds to be honest, as much as I would wish it, it was.
Top Lobster
So what if you're in the, you're in the libertarian space now after all these years, correct.
Kelly Patrick
I'm 41, so I didn't turn libertarian until pretty late.
Top Lobster
I got some questions for you, please. First one, what the is wrong with you? Why now? Why, after everything has failed and settled, why, why would you jump in there now?
Kelly Patrick
I was watching, honestly, sounds generic, but I was watching a Joe Rogan episode with Peter Schiff before COVID happened. So even before COVID I started to see that Trump was spending and, you know, contributing to inflation. You know who Peter Schiff is? The same shit he says all the time. I, I, I heard it and I started to follow Peter Schiff and I was like, these Republicans aren't, aren't exactly fiscally prudent or anything like that. So it kind of opened my eyes to that type stuff. And, and from there I started listening, you know, Dave Smith, of course, Tower gang, shit like that. I like the dicking around, obviously, I like that element of it. But what other questions do you have for me about my journey? I love it.
Top Lobster
So it's like, all right, the big thing is the money, right? Because I was, I agree with you there. You know, Trump blew up the budget and he spent, man, well, he, he printed trillions of dollars after Covid and to try to, of course, correct the economy. Then he kind of bailed and we've been going through a recession ever since. I, I have been critical of him along those lines with the, you know, monetary lines and also with the vaccine stuff. He is the father of the vaccine and he has pushed it. But, like, recently, I'm just kind of, I'm looking at the way the writing on the wall is, and I don't, I don't think the, the dollar is going to be around that much longer. And I'm also trying to be a little bit more sympathetic to what happened during 2020. And like, what, what would I have done differently? Like what? Like, I would. I've asked Dave Smith, like, what would you have done differently if you were in charge of the free world and a bioweapon was released and, you know, they basically had everybody stay at home? Like, yeah, I mean, there's things you could have done. Don't let Fauci run meetings every single morning, scaring the shit out of the people. Don't let the governors of America, or at least, you know, certain parts of America, shut down their city and create draconian laws and do dystopian things to their people. But then if you do that, then you would have been met with the criticism from libertarians that he's overstepping his bounds politically and he's a tyrant, yada yada. There's really no good answer to what you do. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't even know. I don't even know what to say about that part of it anymore. Especially when I think about the dollar. Well, the dollar is done. I think that we're using it for the time being and we're going to be moving on to something else. He, I know recently, Trump, he basically wrote a, an executive order outlawing the use of cbdc. But it seems like we're moving over to. What will eventually happen is we're going to tie the dollar, like the actual Dow, the Fiat dollar that we have into. We're going to tie it to some sort of cryptocurrency, possibly XRP or like a ripple, some, some sort of technology, which is a CBDC anyway. But what other way are we, what other way can we do this? The gold standard is perfect. It works, it's great. But it's not as fast as we need it to be. Unless we're using like, I don't know, we've got like gold backs and shit like that. But this is going to be really hard to. It's going to be hard to distribute and use.
Kelly Patrick
What is it that you have there, Tom?
Top Lobster
This is a gold back. I think I got this from New Hampshire, the Free State Project. So it's like a. I'll take it out. Oh, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry. One of my fans from Nephilim Death Squad, which is why I came here to talk about. I, I can't even open it's tape shut. But yeah, it's a, it's called a gold back. So inside of it has 1/1,000th of a Troy ounce of gold. So it's basically a dollar that I can spend, but it's real money, so that's cool. How does that work when it comes to me buying something on Amazon? And don't give me the excuse of, well, just don't use Amazon. People are going to use Amazon. No one's gonna ever abandon the, you know, the, the luxuries that we've created in today's society. So there's a lot of issues and there's a lot of common sense things that need to be addressed and taken care of. Which is why I've abandoned libertarianism and the Libertarian Party in general because it's, a lot of, it is ideological and it just doesn't work when applied into the real world, into things that I actually want to do. Like, I don't know, I don't, I don't care if everybody has guns. I don't care if my, my gay neighbors can have a gay wedding in their weed farm with guns. If my gay neighbors don't like the way I live and want my children taken away from me because of vaccines that I didn't give them them, I'm okay with taking them of the, Stripping them of their rights because we. I know this sounds crazy. I don't even know if you expected this to go this way with this interview, but I've become a bit of a radical in the sense of I am, I am not going to play this game with these people anymore where I defend your rights and then you trample mine because it's what's been happening and I've ended up on with the end of the stick every single time. So yeah, I'm okay with, I'm okay with a lot of these awful things and yes, they might be turned around on me later on. I understand that. But right now we're in a mode of self preservation in America. So it's like we could talk about monetary policy, we can talk about foreign policy, but I'm talking about how are we going to survive the next four years or so. We're on the brink of societal collapse, civil collapse, monetary collapse, possible nuclear war if you believe nukes are real, maybe even end times prophecy. So yeah, we kind of need some drastic measures and tyrannical ideas to push us in the correct direction. That's at least what I think. So I've, I've pushed back very hard on my libertarian friends and co hosts. Shout out Clint Russell of Liberty lockdown.
Kelly Patrick
So I assume in a way. Maybe you're referring to, like Trump passed something that said that no more of this bullshit of females saying they're males and competing against other females for sports. No, biological males competing against women. Can't do that shit anymore. Kind of an end to best. Trump can, like affirmative action or DEI type stuff. I assume that's kind of what you're talking to. You support those actions.
Top Lobster
I think that that's, that's fine. I think that that's good. I think it's common sense and I think it's easy, low hanging fruit for him to take. And it's also a great signifier of how much of the, how much of the vote is real and how much of it is fake. Because, I don't know, it lined up to be about 51% to 49%, right? Kamala versus Trump. But then he passes an executive order like that. And I take the temperature of the people around me and the people on social media in general. I know that these are echo chambers, but you can go to Facebook and you can go to Instagram and I go on my personal pages of people that I know and I see what they say about it and they're kind of like, you know, either ambivalent or they're just like, but whatever, like, yeah, man is a man's, a woman's like, yeah, yeah. A lot of people don't agree with this. So, like, that, like that real, the real radical ideology is coming from the fringe and they're a lot louder than, than they are representative of, like the actual population. So then, then I look at the popular vote and it's about 50, 50. And I'm like, well, Kamala Harris ran on abortion and cackling. Really? And she got half the vote. I don't know, I don't know how much of that is actually legitimate because when I look around me, more and more people agree with the normalcy that we're starting to see again. So it even makes me think, like, was this entire thing just a huge facade? Like when Donald Trump was in and people were afraid to say that they liked him. I know that you've experienced that before. And again, there's plenty of valid criticisms of Donald Trump, but there's, there was also this hesitancy around, around people to say, like, I vote, like, like, like I, they, they've told me myself, I've gotten like hundreds of messages like, hey, man, thanks for, thanks for saying what you said. I wanted to say that, but I, you know, I just can't risk my job or my mom would say, but I'm like, I'm making my. My business is T shirts. This is the old Scott Horton 1. End the wars. I still feel that way, but, like, my business is to say what I think you're thinking, and my business is actually flourishing. It's another good signifier of, like, well, if people didn't think this way, they wouldn't fucking buy this stuff. And it's not just like they're buying, like a little. I don't know, this is a little patch. They're not buying this and putting in their pocket. They're buying this shit and they're putting it on their heads, and they're putting it on their faces. And I mean, they're putting on their heads, they're putting on their chest, and they're walking outside with this. They're saying a message, and there's a lot of them. Thousands of people are doing this. So that's another signifier to me is like, maybe, maybe we've been lied to about the amount of people that oppose these normal ideas, and maybe they've also been lied to about what the ideas the other side have been spreading. You know what I mean? Like, there's some really nefarious shit that the. The progressives have been saying and doing for years. And the common Democrat, I don't think necessarily agrees with that. But now I'm watching celebrities and I'm watching just normal people kind of come to the other side. And again, this sounds very pro Trump, but I'm not like, no, I get what you're saying.
Kelly Patrick
I voted for him in 2016. You know, I get it. People didn't want to. I have black friends who disagree with me that I train with and, you know, good African American, good people, friends of mine that I felt like in 2016 after I voted for Trump, if I would have told them I voted for Trump, they would have thought I was a Nazi or, you know, they would have literally thought I was an absolute piece of shit. So I get it. But that has. I agree. That is certainly shifted. And I live here in Louisville. I know you're from New York, so, I mean, big cities, tons of liberals. I have many friends here in Louisville who are lifelong Democrats who've come around. I had a couple of them messaging me yesterday, and they're like, they like Trump now Because the Dem. I don't know if Charlie Kirk released a video summarizing the Democratic. What was it? They had the convention or something. Did you see this top?
Top Lobster
When. When was that?
Kelly Patrick
I think it was within the past week. The Democratic National Convention or something.
Top Lobster
It was like a rally with Chuck Schumer saying like, yeah, yeah, I saw this. Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
All they talked about was doubling down on the identity politics. And they were all overweight. They were all disgusting looking humans. They did not look good, they did not look sharp. And all they talked about, you got to watch this Charlie Kirk. It's the craziest thing. He did a good job of mashing it up. But all they talked about was, I'm a person of color and I want you to stand strong. And I know we got a lesbian over.
Top Lobster
That's literally.
Kelly Patrick
It was like a sat. Satirical piece that Charlie Kirk had put together. But it was real and it was from fucking last week.
Top Lobster
Well, just yesterday, Chuck Schumer was at another rally just, basically just outside. And he was like, we will not give up. We will not lose. Like, it's a number one, it's a toothless message. And number two, the video that I was watching was commenting on this, and it was a CNN video. And the CNN anchors themselves were like, they were like, so how do you feel about this? And they're like, yeah, I'm real excited. And then he's like, you know, I would have been more excited if you would have had some black owned businesses, people out there saying their gripes. And I'm like, okay, again with the identity politics. But there's a tinge of truth underneath that. It's like, I'm not excited about the bullshit that these people are saying. They're looking at like, so he says, black owned business, businesses talking about their bottom line. You're talking about economics now you're talking about reality. Okay? Even though this is like, I don't know, what is some fucking weave shop. Who cares? Doesn't matter. You're talking about that.
Kelly Patrick
The only type of shop, African Americans.
Top Lobster
Gonna have cocoa butter, cocoa butter, weave guns, whatever. Chicken.
Kelly Patrick
Sorry to interrupt.
Top Lobster
Yes, I'm sorry, I should have clarified. But he. This is what. This is what they're talking about now. So I'm like, okay, okay. At least we can talk with each other right now. We're. We're in this reasonable space where you're still talking about, you know, colored people's businesses, but we're talking about business, dollars, cents, shit that makes sense.
Kelly Patrick
Not like generational wealth, real shit.
Top Lobster
Shit that I'm after. You know what I mean? And I get it. Hey, listen, if you're black, if you're Chinese, if you're whatever, go out there, get your shit and I understand you're trying to build for the future. This is what I'm doing. So if we have the same goal, this is what I consider to be American. I think it's not necessarily. And I'm for all the deportations, like, get the fuck out. If you don't belong here, you gotta leave. And that's only because America's, I mean, America's a mess right now. There's just people all over the place. We got to figure out who belongs here, number one, and then rebuild the home team. And then we can talk about possibly having more people come in. But they're talking.
Kelly Patrick
I don't hate that stance. I don't want to sound like I'm an open borders libertarian. I mean, maybe in a perfect world, maybe we could be open borders, but, like, you know, obviously that's not remotely close to where we're at. So I'm, I don't disagree with you about the deportations.
Top Lobster
We can't even have the same conversation. And there's a lot of good, you know, I've met a bunch of good. Like, I, I was from New York. I live in Florida now because I'm not out of my mind. But I, I've met a lot of really good people that are illegal immigrants. It's just, but the fact of the matter is, like, hey, we've gotten to a point with this country that we are almost $40 trillion in debt. We have no cultural identity. We don't know whether we're coming or going, and we just need to clear it out, figure out what's going on here, and then we can have a conversation about, you know, including other people. But like Jordan Peterson, who has since fell off on benzos and all that, he says, you got to clean your room before you try to fix the world. And that's a great tenant to have. It's something to really think about. But I, where was I going with that?
Kelly Patrick
I, I interrupted. I'm sorry. I, I, I apologize. I threw you off there.
Top Lobster
No, no, it's fine.
Kelly Patrick
You were talking about Chuck Schumer. Oh, I was acknowledging the private ownership of businesses within the black community and how that would be a better direction. So he, he's Jewish. I mean, at the end of the day, he recognizes the value.
Top Lobster
No, he wasn't saying that. Right. He was. Chuck Schumer is making the point that, that they have to fight against Donald Trump because, you know, now that, I love the, the talking point that Donald Trump is doing unconstitutional actions in the government by having, like, you know, there's an unelected official in Elon Musk, and he's auditing our unelected officials and our government age that were unelected and unconstitutional. Blow me. I don't give a fuck. Like, honestly, this. It's the greatest thing that could have happened. And again, libertarians would. Would probably oppose it as well for some reason. So, you know, the goofy ones would be like, oh, you know, that's a. This is just more. He's making the government bigger by adding a program. Yeah, but the program is looking at. It's looking at fraud and waste. And if it's doing those things, then, okay, fine, but it has to be. It should be dissolved after the job is done. But I was making the point that those people, the people that were complaining about what, what Schumer was saying, they are of the same mindset as I am. They're thinking about their future and their children. And that, to me, is America. That's America. That's American. Where you're thinking about yourself. You're thinking about generational wealth and building something that will last beyond you in this land, in this country where you own land. That's what I would like for Americans and what America and Americans to be. It's not. This is not like that anymore. This is a country that is a prostitute for multinational organizations to come and use as they want. They use this as a consumer base to buy their goods. And if we try to. God forbid you try to produce something here, you're regulated or taxed to death. And it's very hard. As a private business owner, I own two. It's very hard to operate here, but it seems like people operate overseas fairly easily and whatever. Whatever. I digress. So the people that are that have this mindset, they may be on the left, they may call themselves Democrat or whatever, but I feel like they are now seeing. And it's not that. Not only are they seeing it, but eventually you're going to see them come to their senses. And when the economy does sort of right itself, because this is very easily fixed. Like, if you want to fix the money, if you want to fix the economy, if you want to alleviate the stress on the American people, you do exactly what Donald Trump is doing now. Came in with a bunch of sweeping executive orders. He's talking about dissolving the Department of Education. He's talking about getting rid of the income tax, the 87,000 IRS workers that were hired by Joe Biden. He says, hey, fuck off or go join ice. They're gone. He's talking about even getting rid of the irs. These are things that people should be celebrating. And once these externalities are dissipated and the American people have a little bit more money in their pocket, they're going to start to see things a little more. They're going to see things not even a little bit more clearly. They're going to see things very clearly. And it's a, in an economic sense, they're going to see things clearly. So the identity politics will fall to the side. People will see through the bullshit. And they're already seeing through it. I just wonder, I've been wondering for the past year or so how many people this show is brought to you.
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Top Lobster
Many people do already see this way and are we being manipulated by the media that still exists and the, the loud people on the fringes to think that they're much louder than they actually are. Like are are normal people. The majority already have. We already been the majority. Have we always been the majority and just been manipulated into thinking, you know, this way into cutting our kids dicks off? It's very possible none of this. None of this really makes any sense. And it's. I would like to believe that. I'd like to believe that the majority of. Of this country doesn't think that way. But, you know, I don't know, maybe.
Kelly Patrick
I could be wrong to the tune of that. You're brown. You're a business owner. Put some plugs in. What's. What's. How does someone buy a T shirt? What type stuff can they get?
Top Lobster
I don't want you to buy a T. No, you can go to toplopster.com we sell t shirts, hoodies. We're working on all brand new stuff. I'm really like a. A designer and distributor for podcasts, so some of my favorite podcast people are on there and we're picking up new ones. I. I host for obviously mine. My podcasts are Tower Gang, Nephilim Death Squad, Liberty Lockdown with Clint Russell. I sell some better off dead merch. Or that's Toad Lord Miles. He sells through me. Do you know who he is?
Kelly Patrick
I don't. Nope.
Top Lobster
Okay. Lord Miles Ruthless. He's the best. He's. He's the guy that got arrested and detained by. By the Taliban. He visited Afghanistan and they kept him there for like nine months. And now he's like, yeah, I. I sell his merch. Yeah, he's out. He's. He's a lunatic. He's from the uk. The guys from Jesus Royce and Mersh from. Wow. Losing. Losing my mind here. Revenge.
Kelly Patrick
It's all on toplobster.com.
Top Lobster
It'S all on top. Lobster time. You can go there and buy that stuff. But that's a great way to support me. Another. The best way to really support me is listen to my podcast, Nephilim Death Squad. That's my. That's what I really love to do. That's what I'd like to make my main source of income if. If possible. And it'll get there. People like the show. We're telling the truth. People are gonna.
Kelly Patrick
Nephilim Deaf Squad is kind of a conspiracy theory type podcast. Before we jump into the details of your conspiracy theory like approach and all that I heard in one of the early episodes, I was doing some homework for this interview and I don't want to call you a. Because that would be robot. Do you. Are you into Hamilton?
Top Lobster
I love Hamilton. Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
Theater nerd.
Top Lobster
I am. So I have a minor in music. Not a theater nerd, but yeah. This is a guilty pleasure of mine. And you know what, man? Fuck you for bringing it up. But let's talk about it. Yeah, I like, I like. I like musicals. So when I met my wife, we would. That's just like what we do on our. If we have free time, like when we're not. When we're not with the kids these days. But, like, we've seen almost all the musicals. I actually met her in church. I played. I played the guitar and she's a singer, so we're very, like, musically inclined. We like that stuff. But Hamilton, one of the biggest pieces of propaganda that you can that has ever pervaded the American society. But one of my favorite pieces of art in general. I'm really. I'm a really big fan of Lin Manuel Miranda. I love the way he constructs his music. I love his songwriting ability and the way he's able to manipulate, you know, words and frequency in that manner to get people to do what he wants or think what he thinks. So obviously Hamilton is a play that's lionizing. Alexander Hamilton. Who is the person responsible for creating the. The Federal national bank or the. Yeah, what is it called? I guess it is the. Yeah, the national bank and crewing all this debt. But God damn, is it a good play? It's a. It's a really fun play if you know the history of it. I'm able to look at some parts and say, okay, they got this part right. He's like a bombastic. And a lot of the parts in the first act are great. The parts in the second act kind of really paints him to more than. More than they should be, but still a lot of fun. A lot of fun. I really like that play.
Kelly Patrick
I assume when you lived in New York, you were able to see. You probably had access to some of the greatest theater on planet Earth. I assume you've taken a step down from that since you moved to Florida and you don't have quite the opportunities to see the shows.
Top Lobster
Well, I mean, I'm. I'm near Orlando and I'm near Tampa. So they have. What is it? The Straz. The straz is in Tampa and that they. They pick up some pretty good talent. You're not going to get the main cast of Hamilton or the main cast of really anything, but they do travel and they have really good talent. So most of the. I've seen. We've seen some plays around here and they're. They're all pretty good. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Nothing like Broadway, you know, But Broadway is also hit or miss. I will tell the people, if you're going to go see Hamilton on Broadway, don't go during the day because you're going to get some fucking Chinese guy as the main lead of Hamilton and it's going to be subpar. You want to. You want to see at night, you want to see the main. The main cast and really do your homework before you go, otherwise you're wasting money.
Kelly Patrick
Okay. Was my description of Nephilim Death Squad accurate in that it's kind of a conspiracy theory podcast? Is that accurate?
Top Lobster
Yeah, I mean, we're not. We're not going to back away from being a conspiracy theory podcast. We.
Kelly Patrick
We do that as he puts on his tinfoil. We don't have videos. He has a little tinfoil hat he's putting on.
Top Lobster
Crunch that up. Yeah, it's. We, we. We say that we look at the. We look at conspiracy theory and the current political climate, the current, like, cultural climate through a biblical lens. And I know I've said a lot of wild shit here before where people be like, oh, this guy's not really a Christian. And I don't give a fuck what you think. I think that being a Christian just means that you believe in. That you believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and that you believe that there's one God above all the rest and let the rest fall where it may. So, yeah, it's like a Christian show, but we don't shy away from language. We don't shy away from taboo topics that are people in church are scared to discuss. We don't shy away from guests that. I mean, just the other day we had a guy on who was a former OTO member. Do you know what the OTO is?
Kelly Patrick
No.
Top Lobster
Okay. It's like, it's the Oro Templa Orianus. It's like a. It's basically like. It's. It's a offshoot of Freemasonry. So, yeah, these are people who study the Gnostic Bible and they would tell you that, you know, basically the antithesis of what I believe as a, as a Christian. They practice dark arts, meditation, magic, in certain forms of fashion. And yeah, we've had, we had that guy on Nick. Great guest, great dude. Talked to him, heard what he has to say. We have a. A huge listener base. So I'm. But. But we've also. We've also like, we. I. Not that we've taught them, but we've like garnered. They found us and they hear what we're talking about and I guess they agree that's why they keep showing up. So I'm not scared to present them this other side or something. That might, you know, other. Other people might, might not want to touch it. The church wouldn't want to explain. The church doesn't want to get into the occult because I think they're scared of losing their members to, to these ideas. These ideas are powerful like this. The guys, they're doing magic, they're doing spell, they're doing witchcraft. And it works. It's real. But it's not something that I think we should be delving into, especially without much knowledge of what we're doing, because there's a lot of. There's a lot of ties that come with that. So we've, we've developed a fan base that understands that. So it's great that we could present them just about anything. And I'm not going to have any. I'm not going to have somebody on and debate them about this or that. Like, I know what my audience thinks. We've explained it already. Here's this guy's point of view. You know what I think already? Let's ask questions. Let's get to the bottom of a topic that we find interesting and possibly unfold some mysteries in, you know, like, I don't know, just the world that we live in and where we're headed and that. That's kind of what the show's about, at least what it's developed into. And it's a. It's one of the most fun things that I do, which is why I want. Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
You mentioned the church may not be supportive of you. You know, some of the messages from this OTO conversation. That reminds me, my wife and I both attend church regularly and we also, like this morning we did a Hot 26 Hot Yoga class. I do it about every single day. And you know, some Christians say, oh, no, no, no, that's paganism. That's worship that you're worshiping. You know, that's like other gods and things like that. You have any thoughts on that type of a conversation or is that, is that anything to that?
Top Lobster
I see. I would. It's one of those things where I would agree with those other Christians, but I would also, I wouldn't tell you, don't do it because it's paganism. I tell you, be aware that it is. But it's also stretching. It's also great exercise. Now when people are doing yoga and you're a yogi is telling you to clear your mind, right? Like, like do this pose, clear your mind. And what does that mean? Well, in, in the Bible, it says that, David. The only time it says that David meditated was, I think he was calling for. He was, he was praying to, to God and he was looking for an answer. This is when, this is when the angel Gabriel or the angel Michael came to him. And he said, I was held up for two weeks because I ran into the Prince of Persia. I'm botching the scripture here, but the previous scriptures before that say that David was meditating to God and that just means he was emptying himself out, becoming a vessel so that God could inhabit him. When you meditate, you're emptying yourself out. But if you have no clear goal of what is then coming in, this can be a problem. So the church will tell you, don't take part in this because they're, this is what they're doing. This is like a, this is a Hindu practice. This come. This comes from India. This is what these people do. And these people worship like multiple gods. This is the name of the show is Nephilim Death Squad. And I think that the gods these Hindu people worship are gods. I think that they do exist, but I think they're lowercase G gods. I think they're Nephilim. I think they're product of the product of fallen angels and the daughters of man, which is what Genesis 6 says. And they were on the days before Noah and after, and they're still on this earth. I think that they're the demons that inhabit this earth, or what we would call a demon. These, these incorporeal entities that exist in this DMT realm, you know, or however you'd like to consider it, maybe the astral realm. People astral project, they see this. So, yeah, I would say, like there is something to that. But you're not being presented the entire story, the entire, like you, I think you can do these things, but I think you need to be filled with something. And the Bible does say if you, if you're filled with the Holy Spirit, then nothing could. Think of yourself as a cup. If you're empty, then something can come in. But if you're already filled, nothing is coming in there. So fill yourself with the Holy Spirit. Focus on God. This is what this is there for. So if you're doing yoga, but you're also a Christian and you're filled with the Holy Spirit, meaning, like you have this discernment and you have this understanding about what is real and what is, then I think you're good. You know, like, do you put up a Christmas tree in your house?
Kelly Patrick
We do.
Top Lobster
Okay, that's paganism. I mean, there's so many different things. Do you celebrate Thanksgiving?
Kelly Patrick
Yes.
Top Lobster
Yes. That's paganism. Everything that you do is paganism. Everything that we take part in this. This technology that we have right here. I'm of the. I'm of the belief that this is probably fallen entity technology. We know that when, when the watchers came down and they had sex with the woman, there was a. Well, there's a guy, Timothy Albarino, and he has a great theory because back in the day when they would take wives, you wouldn't just like, court a woman and take a wife. A wife. You would go to the father, you would offer them something, and then there'd be an exchange. So like, here's some goats, here's my wife. Now we're family. We're tied in together. Well, the exchange back then, according to the book of Enoch, would have been technology. And it even discusses, like, Azazel coming down, giving the technology of metallurgy and weaponry and eye magic. And there's other fallen angels talking about giving, giving the knowledge of astrology and, and farming, things like this. This is. And this is also a story that's, that's, you know, passed down from almost every mythology and every religion. They'll tell you that gods came down, gave humans xyz. That's why we worship them for rain or whatever the. You name it. And this is just anywhere you go on the four corners of the Earth, round or flat, this is the story that you're being told. So, yeah, we're communicating on some sort of fallen angel technology. Does this mean that I am worshiping other gods? No, this is not my God. This is a tool that's being presented to me and I'm using it. As a matter of fact, I'm using it in direct contradiction for what I believe they'd want me to use it for. To confuse other people or to, you know, spread. Just spread. I'm not doing that. I'm telling you the truth as I see it. And the truth is I've. Well, at least the truth is I've read it and understand it biblically.
Kelly Patrick
So, yeah, I love the biblical conversation. Can you tell me about a recent guest you've had on? I think I saw you were doing some reviews of the book of Genesis, and it doesn't even have to be necessarily that guest, but I'm guessing you've talked to some people recently who had some very fascinating takes on the Bible. Do you have a good example for me?
Top Lobster
Oh, yeah. Okay. So one of our most recent guests. This guy's great. His name is Justin of the Prometheus Lens podcast, and he's. He's one of these guys. He's. He's like a. I'd call him a biblical theologian, but he's really just a regular dude that loves the Bible, loves reading about this stuff, loves ancient mythology. And obviously, our show is about the Nephilim in a sense, because I think that's the most important story. I think that's what we're. I think it's part of what we're doing here. I think we're part of this. It's called a seed war. So it says that your. Your seed will be at enmity with. With the seed of. Of the serpent, and your seed will step on his head and crush his head, and his seed will bruise your heel. And this has been the story foretold over and over. Oh, and that. That prophecy goes down to Jacob and Esau, where Esau comes out. I mean, Jacob comes out, and Esau comes out at his heel. Biblically, it says he's there. They're kind of like twins, but he comes out right after holding his heel. And then you have the enmity between brothers. But from that story there, Justin of the Prometheus Lens podcast believes that Esau was actually a Bigfoot, which. I know. It's. It's a lot of fun, a lot of crazy stuff, and when you look at it, it's. It's. It's. It's very possible. It's fun to entertain. Esau was very hairy. He had red hair. Right. He smelled.
Kelly Patrick
Story about his arms or something. Someone being tricked.
Top Lobster
Yeah. Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
Well, I'd interrupt you there. If I remember something from the Bible and I can try to sound smart. I always have to insert it. Sorry for interrupting.
Top Lobster
No, it's. It's. It's all good. It was about the birthright. And so his father was dying, and Esau was the oldest, but he had. So if you're the oldest, it means that you have the birthright, and the Father has to then grant that down to you. And the birthright is like the land, the blessing. And that's very important at the time. It's like metaphysical stuff as well. Like, you got to think back then if this is a more spiritual time. And I do think that that spirituality is real, and we. It's. It's lost upon us now. We see it through, like, this weird technology. We think that we're advanced with this stuff, but I don't. I think this is just a substitute for what. What this world has to Offer like just nuts and bolts of what he.
Kelly Patrick
He'S pointing to his phone.
Top Lobster
I'm pointing to my phone. Yeah, sorry, I keep forgetting this is, that's okay.
Kelly Patrick
Yeah, that's all right.
Top Lobster
Yeah. Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
I, I, I think they could have, could have got used to this technology. So you, you, you think that technology in large part is replacing the spiritual nature. Yeah, to, to humanity, maybe all across the world.
Top Lobster
I think they go hand in hand. I think it's almost like technology is like a form of magic. Like, again, we're so, we're communicating to each other through black screens and these little condenser microphones, and it's being broadcast. Where are you at?
Kelly Patrick
Louisville, Kentucky.
Top Lobster
Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, it's being broadcast through the air in real time with very little delay. And we're having a great conversation back and forth. This is magic. I don't know what else to really call it, but it's technology, but it's just manipulation of how this world works. And it's done in a technological fashion so we can explain it and, and duplicate it. I think that there is more stuff like that in, in the world, and we just have yet to figure out how to do it or maybe have forgotten how to do it. But back to Esau. So Esau is very hairy, gets the birthright of his father. He gets, he, he goes out into a field and he comes back bloody, as the story goes in the Bible. And he says, hey, man, give me some of that red lentil soup. I need that. And his brother says, you know, no. And he goes, please, I'm gonna die if I don't have this soup. Whatever the soup is, it might have some kind of metaphysical healing property, because I don't know why you desperately need this soup. So his brother gives it to him, and he goes, well, before he gives it to him, he goes, well, give me your birthright. And Esau goes, you know, I don't know. And he goes, well, I guess you're going to die. So they end up making the trade. He gives them the birthright. And Jacob is still kind of hesitant to even use this because it's just like a verbal exchange of, you know, like, I got this birthright and I gave him this soup. This is my brother. It turns out that the mother then helps. I think the mother, Rachel, helps Jacob, and she tells him, no, put this goat skin on your arm. Your father's blind, he's old. He's ready to give the birth right. And your brother said that he'd give it to you. So go ahead and do this thing and take this from him. And he does the thing, he puts that on his arm and his father comes and he says, hey, you even smell like the field, like you were out there hunting. Because Esau was a great hunter. And he touches his arm, he says, oh, look at your arms like wool, son. Like, what do you, what man do you know? The hairiest man you know can put goat on his arm and somebody touch it and go, that's my kid. Smells like shit. Smells like the field has thick matted hair. Like, nah, dude, this sounds like a Bigfoot to me. So. And it also does make sense if you start to think along those lines, all right, like, dude's red, he's red, very hairy, smells like shit, great hunter. And for some reason in the Bible it says that God loved Jacob, but he hated Esau. Now why would that be? Does God hate humans? Does he hate the things that he creates? No, not necessarily. But what if it comes down to the seed war? What if it comes down to the enmity between the seeds where you'll crush his head and he'll bruise your heel and maybe the mother gave birth to chimeric twins. It's super interesting stuff, but when you really look at the scripture, it's not even the first time that this has happened. This is the second time this happened. He also explains it's possibly happened from Adam and Eve with Cain and Abel. You know, God sought favor with Abel but did not find favor in Cain. He offered him, he gave him his offerings and he was like, just don't like it. And it goes back to the garden. Was it, was there some kind of going on in the garden? Quite possibly, but it's definitely happened here between Jacob and Esau. So Jacob gets the blessing and that continues down and that creates Israel and, and this lineage that we know now. And Esau goes off and his, his line is now cursed and that creates this second line that is like a Edom. You know, these are the Edomites where maybe possibly modern day the Jews that we know come from. But it's just very interesting how this stuff is mentioned. It's all very like magical, metaphysical and it even involves things like, like maybe like a Bigfoot, like cryptids that we didn't know about. The Bible is rife with this stuff. It talks about in Deuteronomy, it talks about cleft lipped human beings, human beings with clipped ears. It talks, Jesus talks about a dog faced woman. We're talking about the lion faced men of Moab. These Are. This is in the Bible. What does that mean? If I told you this guy had a lion face? I don't know, you could. You can like, go ahead and, yeah, fucking say, oh, maybe he looked, like, fierce or something. It's like, I don't know, maybe he had a lion face. Dude. It says that they were giants on the earth on these days, on the days before Noah and after. What does that mean to you if you're a Bible believer? To me, it means that there are giants on the earth these days and after the Nephilim, the Raphaim, the descendants, the. The other halflings, the other breeds of these things. It's a. It's a great. It's a great book. This is how. This is how we read the Bible. This is how we look at the world in the. The current world under these kind of like, supernatural biblical lens. And I think it's like a. It's a more fun way to look at it. And it does. It does even explain certain things. Where before, as a Christian, I would read the Bible and I'm like, I don't know what that meant, but I'll discard it. Maybe it was metaphor. Maybe it was nonsense. You know, I read it as like a book of. A book of, like, examples telling you this is how we should live. And, yeah, it certainly is that. But now I'm reading it as a book of both examples on how to live. And also, maybe this is all real, what they were telling us. Maybe this world is a little bit more strange than. Than we believe or than we'd like to believe. And, man, lately things look like, yeah, pretty. Pretty goddamn strange. So nothing's off the table for us, but that's what, that's what the show is about in a nutshell. That's some of the pretty cool stuff that we've uncovered biblically in with our, you know, some of our. Our favorite guest on there.
Kelly Patrick
I'm trying to do some detective work, and you talking about the seed war stuff, your name, you go by Top Lobster. I'm diving into your Persona. All right, the. The Christian stuff. What was the name of Jordan Peterson's most famous book?
Top Lobster
Was it 12 Rules for Life?
Kelly Patrick
12 Rules for Life. Toward the beginning of the book, I think I read it. My wife maybe read it. She loves Jordan Peterson. Toward the beginning, they talk about lobsters fighting and who is the top lobster. So I'm trying to dive into the brain of Top Lobster. And was that possibly that line of thinking, the inspiration for your Persona of Top Lobster?
Top Lobster
Yes. Yeah. It is. That's. That's exactly where it comes from. That's the first chapter of the book. He says, stand up straight with your shoulders back like the lobster. And the idea was that the lobsters have the same dopaminergenic system as us there. It's an ancient system, but it does run on a very rudimentary dopamine system that we. The same dopamine system that we have. So every time they win a fight, they. They swell up a little bit and they stand up straighter, and it makes them the more dominant lobster of the group. And each time they win a fight, they're more likely to win the next one because they're bigger and they present stronger. And really, that's kind of what. That's what it is like with just about anything. If you present confidently, if you're standing up, if you have like a. If you're a taller dude, if you have, like, a bigger physical presence, you can do a lot more in life. So I took that from his book and I kind of rolled with it. And it was just a screen name, like a fun screen name. And then it turned into a clothing line. But it's like, hey, yeah, like, stand up straight like the lobster. You know, win, Win that. Win the fight and continue to go on and just continue to stand up straight with your shoulders back, appear confident, and see what comes your way. And I've been doing that for the last, I don't know, six years. It's been. And a lot of great things have come my way. So it certainly does work. Just, I say, just stay off the benzos and you'd be all right.
Kelly Patrick
Jordan Peterson covers the Bible and Christianity a lot. What is your, I don't know, summary or take overall on his approach to Christianity? Any compliments, Any criticisms?
Top Lobster
What do you got it? I think it's one of those things where, like, you should look at it. Look at it. Listen to his. Listen to his breakdown of Christianity. Listen to his breakdown of the Bible. But he does a. He does a great job at, like, I don't know, let's say the book of Genesis that he, that he broke down. This was years ago. He goes verse by verse by verse and does a great job of breaking it down on, like, in, like, a psychological sense. And, and how would you explain it? Not just psychological, but, like, he really does a. A great job of explaining this book to you and how important it is. But he misses some major points like, like I said, you can go through the entire book of Genesis verse by verse and make somebody a believer. But if you miss a supernatural aspect of it, like, he just skips over Genesis 4, Genesis 6, verse 4. And it's like, what a travesty because you've missed over almost the entire. You've missed. You've missed the creation story, you've missed the why we're here, you know, and you're doing a bit of a disservice to people. I also think he doesn't come at it from an exactly Christian standpoint. He comes at it from the standpoint of a professor that's explaining this book. So, yeah, it's great. Listen to it. But if you want to dive deeper and understand the more metaphysical aspects and the supernatural aspects of this book, then you should read it again for yourself in a different way, perhaps. Check out Gary Wayne. He has. He has some great books. The Genesis 6 conspiracy. He has two of them. Check out Tony Merkel's episodes. Check out Nephilim Death Squad.
Kelly Patrick
Would you say Jordan Peterson's a Christian?
Top Lobster
No, he wouldn't say it. He wouldn't even say he believes in God. He said, do you believe in God? Well, what do you mean by God? And what do you mean by do? And what do you mean by I? It's like, yes or no. It's a simple question. Do you believe in one God that created everything and then sent his son to die? And I can't really answer that. Ben Shapiro. Fire me from the Daily Wire if I did so. No, I don't think he is. I. I think it's a. It's a little bit deceiving. I'd much rather. And. But I'm okay with it. I'm okay with him. It's fine. Believe what you want to. I'm not here to save the entire world. That. Jesus already came to do that. He's left the message. If you don't believe it, that's on you. That's not my. That's not my ministry. But it's like the deception of some people. Like, a lot of people will go and they'll say, like, well, I'm. I go to church every Sunday and I do like Jordan Peterson, so. And he's just like me, right? He wouldn't lie. It's the same attitude of, like, looking at Hillary Clinton and going like, she's a grandmother. She's just like me, right? She could. She could never eat those babies. And it's like, she's nothing like you. They appear this way, but they're not. So I. I don't know. What Jordan Peterson is or isn't anymore. I don't even know if that's still the same Jordan Peterson. If he ever came back from Russia after his. His, you know, stint on benzos. I don't know. But again, take. Listen to what people say. He's. He's still a genius, a great thinker. Listen to what he says, but take it with a grain of salt. And also, when he's running around with, like, Russell Brand and they're doing the Lord's prayer in Washington, D.C. and you got Russell Brand, who's been a Christian for three days, that's like baptizing people in his tighty whities. I'd say, hey, take a look at that. I say. I say a lot of bad things. Consider myself a Christian. Most Christians probably would have bad things to say about me. But then they look at Russell Brandon and say, oh, look at this guy. Just young man on fire for the Lord. I don't know. This guy had an egg in his asshole hanging out with P. Diddy the other day. I just be a little more skeptical, but, you know, that's on you guys.
Kelly Patrick
How are you on time? You have a few more minutes for me?
Top Lobster
Yeah, I got all the time in the world. Whatever you want to do.
Kelly Patrick
Another popular, of course, podcaster and personality in the world in 2025 is, of course, Joe Rogan. I know it's a douchebaggy type question, but from a Christian perspective, he seems to have at least, you know, be entertaining. Of course, more Christian guests. What are your thoughts on any of his guests related to Christianity? And maybe, maybe his. I don't know if we'll call it a progression, but any thoughts on that?
Top Lobster
I like Joe. I love Joe Rogan's show. I love Joe Rogan. I don't trust him, not in the slightest. So he's had on Wesley Huff, one of the more recent Christian guests, who is a. That dude is a genius. I think he's like a. I forget his exact title, but he studies ancient manuscripts and he knows how to read and write.
Kelly Patrick
He's Apologetics Canada or something like that.
Top Lobster
Yeah. So apologetics means, like, he's like a guy that can defend Christianity. I'm not a good apologetics argumentator. That's not what I do. But he. He can defend it intimately, to the point where he can, because he can read these ancient scripts and, and languages and tell you what was going on back then and why the Bible is true or why these other manuscripts are fake. So he's had him on he's completely debunked the work of Billy Carson, who's a guy that runs around saying things like that. Either that Jesus didn't exist or his mother was a. And, you know, like all weird, gay like that. Are you aware of Billy Carson?
Kelly Patrick
I did. I went back and watched a lot of that debate, but I didn't know about it until I saw the Joe Rogan episode. And I was like, gotta check this out. Went and watched some of the debate and that's the extent of it. But. But fascinating. Definitely fascinating stuff. He got owned in that debate, of course.
Top Lobster
Yeah. Colt with his pants down. And it's really interesting. So I was on Luke Rudkowski show, the best political show, way back with my co host, David, and we were representing Nephilim Death Squad. Clint was on the show as well at the time. He was the co host for Luke. And we were talking, we're doing our thing, we're having fun. And at the very end, they do this thing where they're like, okay, leave a question for the next guest. The next guest comes tomorrow. Just leave a question. I'm like, well, what kind of question? What do you want me to. You want me to ask this person? They're like, we don't know. And I said, well, can I ask who the guest is? And they go, yeah, Billy Carson. And I was like, I don't know who Billy Carson is. I didn't. I have never heard him at the time. So me and David just look at each other and I go, you know what? Why don't you ask him? Why do aliens. Why do aliens. And why does sleep paralysis stop when you claim the name of Jesus Christ? Just. I would love to see whoever comes next answer this question. Turns out it's a guy that thinks that Jesus Christ is fake. So we watch the next day and he of course gets the question and he says, well, actually, you know, because of Barnabas and the. Whatever, the fucking Codex Cyanatica, it says that Jesus wasn't even real. So he's claimed some.
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Top Lobster
Claim some point that because there was intention behind the statement that therefore this, these, these encounters, these, these encounters with entities. And this is like, you know, well documented. Like, we've spoken to people. There are thousands of people who, like life was having demonic attacks. I was having sleep paralysis. I was in the middle of an alien abduction on the table. I said, there's just the name of Jesus Christ. And it stopped. Boom. And this happens over and over and over again. This, like, multiple testimony. He says, oh, it's just because there's power in, like, the belief of it. And then I was like, huh, that sounds gay. Well, a month or two later, he debates Wesley Huff. And it turns out that that book that he quoted about Jesus not existing. Well, that book is actually a work of fiction. And they know that because it was written in a time like, like, like nothing. Nothing matched up. You saw the Joe Rogan episode. But so anyway, Joe Rogan's had some great guests. He's had some great breakthroughs. I'm very suspicious of what he's presenting. The same way like Tucker Carlson is now presenting. Tucker Carlson's talking about the Nephilim, but I was talking about it, like, way before, and now he's like, well, possibly, you know, like, the aliens might be the Nephilim. And, you know, I don't know. They're flying around, but there's a spiritual aspect to them. Like, what are you. Why are you bringing this to the forefront of the public knowledge now? Why is Joe Rogan now bringing Christianity in this sense to the forefront of the public knowledge? The same way he brought. He had Michael Ostenheimer on before COVID popped off. And that was the guy that kind of rang the bell and made everybody panic. He's the one that created, like, this whole. It was like a frenzy with the masks and that everyone was going to die from COVID I remember vividly when he had that guy on. So, sure, Joe Rogan also did present the Ivermectin idea, but he presented the idea that kind of kicked off the COVID frenzy. So I'm suspicious of when. When people like that, that move culture, they're presenting these big Ideas. Where does it, where is it going? I, I'm not quite sure. So I'm watching him. I find him immensely entertaining. A lot of my friends are friends with him have been on the show. I really, I like Joe Rogan. I'm suspicious and I'm so suspicious that we are actually working on a documentary, David and I. It's going to be a Nephilim Death Squad documentary. It'll probably be filmed at our bi annual live event called Bohemian Grove, where it's going to deal with podcasting and entities. And I, you know, the questions I would like to ask. I would love to sit down and ask Joe Rogan, like, hey, why do you think people that listen to your podcast should take psychedelics like DMT or mushrooms and then sit in the float tank and what do you think they're going to encounter when they do this? And why are you, why are you comfortable with telling people to do this? Like, I'm of the belief that if you peel, peel back, that when you, when you take these psychedelics and you peel back that veil, I think you can encounter just about anything depending on where you're at, geographically, where you're at in your own head. Like, like we were talking about yoga. If you do yoga and you empty yourself out but you are a believing Christian, I don't think you can be, well, demonically possessed or that's just like, you know, a buzz term. But I don't think you can be filled with an entity that is not. Is something that you don't want. But if you're unaware and you do these things, I think you can, I think if you're in certain spots, you can encounter certain things. This is why elites go to, you know, Joshua Tree. Not, not just elites, but, you know, a lot of people in the cult will go to Joshua Tree in the middle of a desert and do rituals and summon things. They're going to certain locations because there are entities in certain locations. They're in localities. We, we mentioned the, the scripture with David where he's calling for God and God sends him Michael. And Michael says, hey, sorry, it took me a couple weeks, but I had to fight the Prince of Persia to get here. They're angels, they're moving through the earth, so they're not like omnipresent all at one time. So when Joe Rogan is giving advice to people to go into this alternate realm in a float tank using the help of psychedelics, it's haphazard and it's dangerous because these people are gonna, if they're not in. You don't. You don't know. You're reaching millions of people. I don't know what kind of headspace these people are, and I don't know where they're at physically, geographically. What is going on? Are you sending them into the middle of the ocean to swim with sharks? That's a horrible idea. So our documentary, Psychedelics can be Dangerous.
Kelly Patrick
Actually, I'm familiar with that. That definitely.
Top Lobster
Yeah.
Kelly Patrick
You got to be careful with, you know, unless you want to get into it, like hurt or something. So that makes sense.
Top Lobster
Yeah, dude. It could be. And. But it could also be enlightening. Right? A lot of people have had great trips. I mean, I think most people have had great trips, but we've. We've interviewed, man, at least three people that have had heavy usage with psychedelics, and two of them say that they've been recruited by an entity. One of the entity calls itself Ball. All three of them are from southern Indiana. So they.
Kelly Patrick
I. I graduated college in southern Indiana. I live 15 minutes from Southern Indiana, actually.
Top Lobster
Oh. So, okay, so maybe you can speak to this a little bit. But something is going on there. There's a lot of. A lot of, like, weird supernatural stories, like, specifically being recruited by something. And these people, individual of themselves, have told not just similar stories, but, like, they've had almost the same encounter. These people don't know each other. These are like unaired broadcasts that we've done interviews that we've done and never been aired, never been spoken about. And. But we've got. We've gotten three stories, and this is a small show. Tony Merkel has gotten way more, and it's all, like, coming from. So, like, something's going on in Southern Indiana, which leads me to believe, like, there is something to this realm if you go seeking it. If you're in a certain spot, you might find something, it might find you. I don't know what it is. So when I see it again, to go back to Joe Rogan, when I see him doing these things, I'm super suspicious, especially since he's like the Godfather of DMT and float tank. Specifically, we see that in the movie Stranger Things. They go in a float tank. She goes into this astral projection mode. Her name is Eleven, which is short for. They call her L. That's a. That's a. Like a shortening for the. The term Elohim. And Elohim is a. Elohim is a denomination or a classification of a heavenly being. So God the Father himself is Elohim the Angels that are by his side are Elohim, the fallen angels. Think of Lucifer, Satan, Semyaza. They're also Elohim. And then there's different classifications among that just means like a heavenly body. But there is one above all. And anyway, in this show they call her L. She goes in a float tank. She goes to the other side. This shows also takes place in Southern Indiana. It's, it's almost like right on the nose. They go to this upside down. Right. I don't know if you're familiar with the show on Netflix, but it, it's crazy.
Kelly Patrick
Nope.
Top Lobster
Oh, you haven't seen it? Okay.
Kelly Patrick
No, nope.
Top Lobster
It's a lot of fun. It's, it's hokey, it, it's, it's nostalgic. But basically it's the name of it. Stranger Things.
Kelly Patrick
Straight. Okay, so I did write down Stranger Things, but okay, yeah, Stranger Things. Is it currently available on Netflix and it covers.
Top Lobster
It should be. Yeah. No, it is because they're coming out with the new season eventually. Basically they do some. It takes place in Montauk, New York, where they're doing science experiments, which we know that they were doing on children. This was the, the Sigma program, the, the gifted and talented program, which a lot of kids were in, where they pre screen for this. Then they, they see if these children have like psychic latent abilities. This is in the show. But this is also declassified government material which we know about. And it's called Project Montauk. You can go look that up. CIA was doing this. So it's based on, like, loosely based on a true story on what they were doing in the government. And, and it's about this girl that can kind of. She can do telepathic stuff, telekinesis, move shit with her mind, whatever. But it's about the upside down. It's about this realm that exists right on top of ours. And when you go there, it's like a, it looks like they depict it as a hellscape, but it's like the inversion of what our world is. And nowadays we're talking about, well, I mean, just ask Tucker Carlson. He'll tell you. He's like, these aliens aren't from outer space, they're interdimensional. Alex Jones will say the same thing. And now the disclosure is happening more and more. You're going to start to hear that, like people say, oh, they come from like outer space, from a galaxy far away. It was like, nah, they're right here. The technology that they use is just to traverse portals that's what CERN is. CERN is opening up gateways and portals into other dimensions. They brag about doing it. They worship the God Shiva, the God of death. They do mock sacrifices to her during their lunch break and then say it's a joke. This stuff is happening right under our noses. It's government funded. And I think, I think it plays a bigger part in what we see in the world today and how crazy shit has gotten. So, like, obviously I have my foot firmly in the political where I'm looking at like, you know, the geopolitics and the economics and all this stuff, but I'm also looking at this religious side because it's like really, I guess you can call it religious, but it's really supernatural. There's a lot of truth to it. And if there wasn't, people wouldn't have been doing this shit for ages for no reason. Unless you think our ancestors were just a bunch of idiots that were, you know, bumbling around doing things for no reason. I think that people do things intentionally. I think they do them for a reason. And I think there's a lot of power in why they do these things. Yeah. I also think that there's a reason in the Bible, the first commandment says, thou shall take no gods before me. That wasn't a joke. It wasn't a suggestion. It was because there are gods, There are many gods and they do a lot of different things and they have a lot of power. But he's just saying, hey, don't take them before me because they're going to lead you the wrong way. And this, in this country, we have taken them before him left and right. We have like a culture of baby human sacrifice to the tunes of millions. And, you know, I know it says abortions, abortions, abortion. Yeah, don't sacrifice. Don't throw your children into the fires of. Don't. Don't sacrifice your children unto Moloch, is what it says.
Kelly Patrick
Are you pro choice or pro life or. Where do you fall on that?
Top Lobster
Well, I mean, pro. Yeah, pro life. I don't even like to even define it. I don't even like to say that. I just like to say it's. What you're doing is murder. You're. You're taking part in human sacrifice. And if you, you know, like, I'm so past the argument of, like, well, when does life begin? I've seen when life begins. We, we can see it microscopically. When the sperm is implanted in the egg, you see a spark of light as far as I'm concerned. That looks like where a spirit is implanted into something, that's where life begins. When you destroy that, when you let that gestate and then you pull that baby out of the woman's womb piece by piece, you inject it with something to kill it, and then you pull its arms out and its head out and you. You put it on a table and then use it for whatever the you're using it for. This is. This is just blood. This is blood that's been spilled on the ground. Like, I. I think about this a lot, and it's a crazy thought, but these Planned Parenthoods, right, where they're doing these things, if you consider the amount of blood that each. So a woman goes in there, they've been propagandized into thinking that it's their body, their choice. And it is your body, your choice. You could do whatever the you want, but what you're doing here is killing a baby and you're doing some sort of a sacrifice. These people are murdering a life, an innocent life. And it's being. The blood is being shed on this ground. What happens when you do that? I don't know, like a hundred thousand times in one spot. When you go to. When you go to the Civil War. The Civil War, the battle sites, people often say, like, this place is haunted. It's like, yeah, would you buy a house where someone was brutally murdered in it? Like, I think twice about it because somebody fucking died here. There was bloodshed. There's something like a metaphysical property has been violated. There's been blood on the ground here. There's a spirit that has died. There's mal intent. I wouldn't buy that house. I wouldn't even want to be there. People are okay with that, but we're not okay with the idea of like, oh, well, when you do it 100,000 times, but it's in a doctor setting, it's fine. It's like, no, motherfucker, this is human sacrifice. We're doing something here. And I think it's just, you know, it's age old. It's what we've been doing for, you know, thousands of years. Whether it be a temple in Mexico where we cut someone's heart out and roll it down the steps, or we do it in a, you know, in a. In a white room with a guy with a lab coat and he's got these tongs and everything looks sterile and really cool. It's the same shit. You're killing something, but what are we killing it to do you think that these people are paying for you to kill because out of the goodness of their own heart? Like, no, this is a human sacrifice. This is a ritual being performed on land, and you're taking part of it, willing or unwillingly. And we wonder why this place is a mess.
Kelly Patrick
So super corny guy. Top lobster, Met his wife in church. Very Christian, very opposed to abortion. Is that. Is that a good description of you? Super corny, wholesome guy.
Top Lobster
Super wholesome, corny, corny guy. Yeah. Very run of the mill. I have. You know, there's no edge about me. Straight lace. When you see me, you think, wow, what an upstanding citizen. What a great dude. I want. I want to have this guy talk to my kids. That's what people think of me when they see me.
Kelly Patrick
You do have kids, don't you?
Top Lobster
I've got two kids. Yeah. Yes, I do.
Kelly Patrick
You take being. Being a father very serious?
Top Lobster
Yes, I do. Actually. After this, I'm going to. I have to run through another lesson of homeschool with my daughter. And before this, I was outside running around playing with them. So thank God I'm able to do what I'm able to do with my companies and have this time to be with them and provide a good life for them. You know, we move. I got. I moved them out of New York city. We bought 10 acres here. I have a property that my parents live not even a football field away from me, on my property. And, yeah, I do take it very seriously. This only reason I do what I do. Like, we fuck around a lot. We do a lot of tower gang stuff. We talk about. We talk about black people. It's jokes, it's fun. But what I do is so that we could. I do these things. I try to, like, break these taboo barriers and talk about these subjects that people don't want to talk about. So that way, when my kids grow up, hopefully I've. I've already had these conversations, and I've taken the arrows for them, and they're allowed to go and tell the truth and maybe a more sane world. Maybe.
Kelly Patrick
I have one last question for you. Who's that? There's, like, a tranny who, like, helps with the production of television, Right?
Top Lobster
Yeah. Yeah, That's a great story.
Kelly Patrick
Okay, who. Yeah, tell our listeners about that. But my. Actually, yeah, tell our listeners. Who's that?
Top Lobster
Okay, Laney, Shout out. Laney Habamak. He is the best. So I don't. You know, I'll tell. I'll tell his story. I don't think I've ever told his story. It's. It's. His story is a bit of a tragedy. I. I'd say it's like a regular dude who is working a regular job, right? Like before COVID Covid times. And Covid happens, he loses his regular job. And in it, a consequence of losing that job, he loses his medical care and the. The medications that he was on. He loses access to that as well. So instead of like struggling to pay those bills, he decides to pay his other bills and cold turkey, quits. And when you quit those, they were, you know, they're antidepressants. And I'm not sure the details of them when you. But when you quit those, your. Your brain chemistry gets up. And from there, the guy kind of, you know, went crazy, lost his. I don't know if he didn't lose his kid. He still. He has his kids now, but I think he lost his relationship. He lost a lot from that and ended up in this world of, you know, taking hormones and he was developing breast and dressing like a woman, and I, you know, kind of lost himself for a while. He turned out to be on Twitter and he was, like, doing, you know, weird only fan shit, like weird sexual stuff with his account. And he came across Tower Gang and he hated it, and he hate. Watch it. Fuck. Fuck Tower Gang. Because all we talk about is trannies. We had, like, we have a segment called trans spotting. It's hilarious, like, where we go on Reddit and we see the people who think that they pass and then we judge them. And I'll tell you the truth, a lot of them are getting really good now. They were like, really passing. Like, I would be in the pictures at least. I don't know, like in real life, I'd probably be able to smell them, but in the pictures, I'm like, these trannies are fucking getting nice. So he didn't. He didn't like the show, kept watching, you know, Like, I could see how people could be angry because, like, we dig when we dig on people, we dig and we find what is really like holding up your core belief system. And I fucking take it. I knock it out from under you, and that hurts people. And after a while, I think he's just like, you know what? This is actually kind of funny because it's true. Like, what we were saying is true and it's funny. So he started to, like, like, as an homage, make like little edits for us and shit. And after, I don't even know, maybe like 30 of these edits we were like, this is fucking great. This guy has some talent. So we started looking at him and then like, you know, I'm talking to him like, what's your deal? And he's telling me, and the guy's a genius. He's a legitimate genius. And he's a, he's not a tranny. And he, he's not going down that road anymore. He's a fan of the show. He's, I mean, politically sensible. I don't know where he stands religiously, but that's not really my, That's. I. Like I said, we do a show, Nephilim Death Squad, and people often, they hit us up and they're like, hey man, your show's brought me closer to God. And I'm like, I just said nigger a bunch of times. But I'm glad that it helped you in this way. Laney's also an editor for that show, so he'll take our episodes and he'll make shorts and clips and help us with different video aspects. So he's seeing some of the stuff that we say there as well. And I know he's in his, he's in his kid's life now and just, just a great dude. And he's, you know, we pay him as much as we can, like from the money that we make for the show. And I wish this show was like 100 times more successful so we could fucking pay this guy like a full time salary to do just this for us. But that's, that's how it turned out. You know, he turned out probably trying to buy guns to kill us, to being fans and being them being employed by us. And honestly, I consider him a friend, like a really good. Just a fucking good dude. So that's. Yeah, we hire a tranny to do our show, but in reality, not a tranny anymore.
Kelly Patrick
I didn't know the first part. I didn't know that it started out as him hating you guys. I did not know that.
Top Lobster
Well, nobody does. I think this is the first time I've said it.
Kelly Patrick
Okay.
Top Lobster
I've even on the show, like, I kind of beat around the bush, I think, you know, hopefully a lot of people do watch this show and see it, but I didn't. I don't want to put his business out there to the people that know him readily. So maybe they will see this, maybe they'll come upon it, you know, but it's really, I think it's his job to tell his story. And there's a lot of, there's a Lot more detail to his story. But yeah, great dude.
Kelly Patrick
Well, that was kind of a human, almost heartfelt, like touching type story on behalf of Laney. And this is going to make my question make me sound like a even bigger than it would have prior.
Top Lobster
Shoot, shoot.
Kelly Patrick
But in the. The spirit of Tower Gang, I'll ask it. When I interviewed Toad, I asked if Toad would bang Laney. Toad said yes. Do you think. Do you think Toad would bang Laney? Is my big hard hitting question for the end of the episode.
Top Lobster
Do you want to know the truth or do you want to know the shitpost? Let me give you both, okay? Okay. The spirit of Toad, would he bang Lainey? Yes. Toad would bang Laney and try to get milk from his non existent breasts. The truth is, Toad is a really good dude too. I fucking love Toad. He's a super. You've spoke to him. So you know him. He's a super autistic guy. But like he. He is obviously if you watch the show, you know, he's a virgin too. And he's like, it's not that he's. He's not a virgin because he can't get any. He's a virgin because he's like, he's not just gonna go and do some. Some sleaze girl or whatever. Like he's had that opportunity. I've seen him with that, you know, I've seen him have that opportunity and just be like, nah. He's like, I don't want to do that. He's got like, he's got these really deep morals to him. And it's like somebody that I went from like just hating Toad, like hating being around him to really respecting him. And I think that. I think that guy's like a superstar and he's. He's a really good dude. So would he, Laney? Toad would. But the real person, I won't dox his name. No, he has more self respect for himself than that. So no, he would not. But Laney is super hot. So there you go.
Kelly Patrick
Before we wrap up the episode, you, you mentioned Toad. Could you kind of give a little plug to everybody on Tower Gang?
Top Lobster
No, them.
Kelly Patrick
You gave one to Toad. You said the sweetest things about Toad. Is Cole a piece of human? Is that what you're getting at? Is Cole is a piece of. Is that what you're saying?
Top Lobster
No. All right, we'll give you the plugs. All right, so Toad better off dead. You can go catch him. It's his sports betting show. He's grinding and Tower Gang, Toad On Twitter, Cole, one of my, one of my best friends. Also like a dude that's come to my house multiple times, stood here for what seemed like weeks, maybe a little too long. But anytime he's. He's invited over, he has no plugs. You can follow him at like maybe Tower Gang Cole or something like that. Jose. Tower Gang Jose. On Twitter, he does a show called no Way Jose. He does a show called Already Dead with Austin Picard. That's a. It's a great geopolitical show that does delve into like, that's more the conspiracy that you would be talking about. Where the. The shit that I just told you, I don't even know if you consider a conspiracy. I don't know what it is. It's schizophrenia, really. He's delving into facts. My boy Clint, great dude. Liberty Lock Pod on X or Twitter. And Liberty Lockdown. We're also starting a new show called Dangerous rtrds. It's going to be me, him, David Corbo, that's my co host on FM Death Squad, where we're going to be. It's. It's a refutation to Tim Pool dropping the ball. We're going to talk about current events and we're going to do it seriously. So more the first half of the show that we. What we talked about during the first half of the show rather than, you know, unhinged conspiracy. And me, Top Lobster, that's everywhere. Top Lobster Dot com, you buy shit from there. And Nephilim Death Squad, it's really where I want people to go. Go check it out. It's a fun show. I have fun doing it. If I didn't, I wouldn't fucking do it. Go check that show out. I think you guys might enjoy it. And if you don't, whatever.
Kelly Patrick
All right. Top Lobster, thank you very much.
Top Lobster
Absolutely, man. Thanks for having me. The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade it that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.
Podcast Summary: TopLobsta Appearance on the Kelly Patrick Show
Introduction
On February 8, 2025, TopLobsta Productions' Top Lobster appeared as a guest on the Kelly Patrick Show titled "Nephilim Death Squad." Hosted by Kelly Patrick, the episode delved deep into a myriad of topics ranging from libertarianism and economic policies to biblical interpretations and media manipulation. The conversation was rich with insights, personal anecdotes, and provocative viewpoints, offering listeners a comprehensive look into Top Lobster's perspectives.
Background of Top Lobster
Top Lobster, known for his involvement in the libertarian podcast "Tower Gang" and the conspiracy-laden "Nephilim Death Squad," shared his journey with Kelly Patrick. He recounted his transition from working for the MTA in New York City to embracing libertarianism around 2015. Over the years, his views evolved, especially post-2020, leading him to question the effectiveness of libertarian principles in addressing contemporary societal issues.
Libertarianism: Viability and Evolution
The discussion commenced with Top Lobster reflecting on his initial enthusiasm for libertarianism, highlighted by his active participation during the Trump administration. However, he acknowledged a shift in his stance, expressing skepticism about the party's ideological rigidity.
Top Lobster [04:42]: "The tenets around libertarianism kind of turned out to not work, especially after 2020."
Kelly Patrick echoed similar sentiments, noting his own disillusionment with the libertarian approach in the wake of governmental overreach during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Economic Policies and the Decline of the US Dollar
A significant portion of the conversation focused on economic critiques, particularly targeting President Trump's fiscal policies. Top Lobster criticized the massive budget expansions and the subsequent inflationary pressures, expressing concern over the sustainability of the US dollar.
Top Lobster [06:36]: "Trump blew up the budget and he spent, man, he printed trillions of dollars after Covid... I don't think the dollar is going to be around that much longer."
He speculated on the future of the dollar, suggesting a potential shift towards cryptocurrency or a new monetary system, while dismissing the gold standard as too slow for current economic needs.
Biblical Interpretations: Nephilim and Genesis Stories
True to the podcast's theme, Top Lobster delved into biblical narratives, particularly the stories of the Nephilim and Genesis. He presented a metaphysical interpretation of biblical events, suggesting that figures like Esau could be mythical creatures such as Bigfoot, and discussing the prevalence of giants and other supernatural beings in ancient texts.
Top Lobster [38:39]: "Justin of the Prometheus Lens podcast believes that Esau was actually a Bigfoot... It's very possible."
He emphasized the importance of viewing the Bible through both a spiritual and supernatural lens, arguing that modern interpretations often overlook these metaphysical elements.
Media Manipulation and Perception
Top Lobster expressed concerns about how mainstream media and fringe groups influence public perception. He argued that louder fringe voices can create a skewed reality, making it seem as though extreme viewpoints are more prevalent than they actually are.
Top Lobster [24:48]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers."
He also touched upon the role of social media echo chambers in perpetuating distorted narratives.
Political Views: Trump, Identity Politics, and Immigration
The conversation shifted to contemporary political issues. Top Lobster voiced support for some of Trump's actions, such as executive orders targeting identity politics and reinforcing traditional social structures. He criticized the Democratic Party's approach to identity politics, suggesting it creates societal divisions.
Top Lobster [12:17]: "I think it's easy, low hanging fruit for him to take... people don't agree with this."
On immigration, he took a firm stance, advocating for deportations and emphasizing national cultural identity as foundational for rebuilding American society.
Technology and Spirituality: Float Tanks and Psychedelics
Top Lobster explored the intersection of technology and spirituality, expressing skepticism about practices like float tanks and psychedelic usage as promoted by figures like Joe Rogan. He cautioned against the potential dangers of these technologies, suggesting they could expose individuals to supernatural entities if not approached with discernment.
Top Lobster [61:43]: "When I see him doing these things, I'm super suspicious... Psychedelics can be Dangerous."
He proposed that such technologies might be modern tools for ancient magical practices, blurring the lines between science and the supernatural.
Social Issues: Pro-Life Stance and Abortion
A passionate segment of the interview was devoted to Top Lobster's pro-life views. He equated abortion to human sacrifice, emphasizing the sanctity of life from conception. His rhetoric was intense, framing abortion as a violation of metaphysical and moral principles.
Top Lobster [67:33]: "You're taking part in human sacrifice... We are murdering a life, an innocent life."
Personal Insights: Fatherhood and Family
Despite the intense and often controversial topics discussed, Top Lobster also shared personal aspects of his life. He highlighted his dedication to fatherhood, emphasizing the importance of providing a stable and supportive environment for his two children.
Top Lobster [70:54]: "This only reason I do what I do. ... when my kids grow up, hopefully I've already had these conversations."
Discussion on Other Media Figures: Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan
Top Lobster offered critiques of prominent media personalities like Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan. While he acknowledged Peterson's analytical approach to Christianity and the Bible, he criticized the omission of supernatural elements in Peterson's interpretations. Regarding Joe Rogan, Top Lobster expressed both admiration and suspicion, particularly concerning Rogan's promotion of psychedelics and his choice of guests.
Top Lobster [47:44]: "I took that from his [Peterson's] book and I kind of rolled with it."
Top Lobster [53:48]: "I like Joe Rogan. ... I'm suspicious of what he's presenting."
Closing: Promotion of Podcasts and Merchandise
The episode concluded with Top Lobster promoting his various podcasts, including "Nephilim Death Squad," and his merchandise line available at toplobster.com. He emphasized the importance of his work in breaking societal taboos and encouraging open conversations about controversial topics.
Top Lobster [78:43]: "Go check out Nephilim Death Squad. It's really where I want people to go."
Notable Quotes
Throughout the episode, several quotes stood out for their impact and reflection of Top Lobster's viewpoints:
Top Lobster [00:00]: "We push all the buttons, we cross all the lines... where your style and your words hit like a sledgehammer on the head of your favorite politician."
Kelly Patrick [02:01]: "Only some are aware that the government..."
Top Lobster [26:38]: "But the fact of the matter is... we've got to figure out who belongs here."
Kelly Patrick [36:27]: "We do."
Top Lobster [76:07]: "Toad would bang Laney and try to get milk from his non existent breasts."
Conclusion
Top Lobster's appearance on the Kelly Patrick Show was a deep dive into a blend of libertarian ideology, biblical conspiracy theories, and socio-political commentary. His candidness about personal beliefs, coupled with his critiques of mainstream and fringe media figures, provided listeners with a multifaceted perspective on contemporary issues. The episode underscored the complexities of navigating ideological landscapes in today's fragmented media environment.