UFO Files Wave 2 & Blasphemy in the Church | Neph 2 America - Nephilim Death Squad

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Nephilim Death Squad – Episode Summary

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad (TopLobsta Productions)
Episode: UFO Files Wave 2 & Blasphemy in the Church | Neph 2 America
Date: May 26, 2026
Hosts: Matt Hepner & David L. Corbo (Raven)
Assistants/Co-Hosts: Nancy (call-in/chat moderator)

⚡ Episode Overview

This episode is a blend of Christian comedy, deep dives into church culture and discernment, and skeptical coverage of current UFO/government disclosure events. The hosts—Matt and David—discuss the second wave of UAP (UFO) file releases, high-profile pastors and church controversies, the spiritual implications of the “alien narrative,” and the strange overlap between pop culture, politics, and what is now mainstream “fringe” discourse. Throughout, they highlight the need for discernment within the Christian and truth-seeking community while keeping a humorous, sometimes irreverent tone.

Key Topics & Highlights

1. Podcast Dynamics & Gratitude

The hosts open with playful banter about podcasting, mutual gratitude, and their growth as content creators.
David thanks Matt for helping him "fall into" a built-in audience:

"There’s never a day... where I don’t realize that like… I fell right into this with your crowd, your hard work for 10 years." (03:34)

2. UFO Disclosure Files: Second Wave Drop

[06:03, 41:40, 46:25, 47:06, 58:05, 62:31]

Coverage of the much-hyped “second wave” of official UAP (UFO) files released by the US Department of Defense.
General skepticism about the quality and meaning of these releases:

"They’re supposed to be groundbreaking... It doesn't do anything for me." (47:46, Matt) "Anybody could make this video." (47:11, David)
Discussion on the “Overton Window” (the zone of what’s acceptable to talk about publicly) shifting to include UFOs and Nephilim-type topics.
Narrative Watching – The hosts are more interested in who is pushing the UFO narrative and why, than in the files themselves.

"It feels like COVID, man—where they're, like, repeating the thing." (69:42, Matt)
Host's Conclusion: Disclosure is likely being curated for culture control, not for truth.

3. Church, Blasphemy & Superiority: Lutheran Pastor Controversy

[07:19–16:47]

Hosts review a viral video of Lutheran Pastor Glenn Ciso discussing Christian exclusivity (“Jesus is the only way”) and its historical consequences.
Critique of "soft" church messaging, conflation of exclusivity with historical violence, and the lack of passionate biblical teaching.

"I wonder what that star is on his chest... maybe it's the North Star. Who knows?" (07:19, Matt) "This is the kind of... [take] Lutheran Pastor Glenn Ciso ... says that insisting Jesus is the only way to God is an ideology that leads to superiority and judgment and is the same kind of thinking that led Hitler to kill millions of Jews." (14:26, Matt)
Reiteration that Christ never called for violence and Christian humility is the core message.

4. Corruption, Institutional Critique & ‘Pay-for-Salvation’ in the Church

[18:18–21:26]

Discussion on Martin Luther (“the original Lutheran”), indulgences, purgatory, and modern pay-to-play salvation in Orthodox and Catholic circles.

"Even just saying it’s free, but you have to do it through our system—it’s just like, oh man, this is so wild." (19:21, David)
Analogy: The “church on the island” scenario used to demonstrate the absurdity of institutional exclusivity.
Emphasis that the Body of Christ is universal, diverse, and not to be defined by any one institution.

5. Gematria, Antichrist Speculation & Biblical Numerology

[22:30–31:34]

In-depth discussion of Antichrist, spiritual deception, Nimrod/Apollo/Gilgamesh archetype, and scriptural references.
Demonstration of gematria calculations:

"Gematria is looking up the numerical value of letters..." (29:31, Matt) "Cheetos… has the same numerical value as Apollo. So you have to start picking and choosing, that’s the definition of cherry picking." (31:39, Matt)
Caution against numerological cherry-picking; return to scriptural discernment.

6. UFOs, Media Fakery & Mask Conspiracies

[33:14–38:51]

Viral Fox News “mask” video, with hosts debating if a major general’s shifting jawline is evidence of a “mask” (implying a body double, AI, etc.) or just bad lighting/camera.

"This is hyper viral right now… but to me, it’s… dumb." (35:57, Matt)
Reflection on media’s psychological manipulation and demoralization tactics.

7. Marriage, Peace & Picking a Spouse

[50:31–56:16]

Diversion into Christian marriage advice, importance of marrying a "source of peace."

"If they’re a source of peace in your life, that's a great thing to build on." (56:01, Matt) "A lot of people, you know… you look into the relationship and they're just fighting and they're chaotic." (53:00, Matt)
Emphasis: God orchestrates relationships, not checklists.

8. Gateways, CIA 'Quantum Healing Codes' & New Age Dangers

[83:32–86:15]

TikTok trends highlight ‘CIA quantum healing codes’ from the Gateway Experience, with warnings from the hosts about illegally entering the spiritual realm via New Age practice.

"I don't like these quantum chi codes or whatever she's saying." (85:22, David) "You’re opening yourself up to a bunch of different entities… this is everything that we warn against." (86:01, Matt)
Distinction between biblical spiritual authority and occult mimicry.

9. Mainstreaming the Fringe: Rogan, Social Engineering & the New Normal

[57:06–82:39]

Discussion of the Joe Rogan Experience, CIA co-opting of influencers, and modern “cultural manufacturing."

"JRE is truly the modern day Laurel Canyon… military intelligence creating a cultural manufacturing machine." (70:54, Matt) "DMT and psychedelics, right? Sensory deprivation tanks, UFO pros, UFC… stand up comedy, carnivore diet, keto diet... He became a massive cultural manufacturing machine." (73:05, Matt)
Agreement that influencers like Rogan alter culture in ways governments/NGOs would—and do—exploit.

10. Celebrity Pastors, False Prophecy & Scandals

[139:57–161:39]

Analysis and exposure of high-profile US pastors caught in moral and doctrinal failure:
- Joseph Z: Caught giving a false prophecy (“You have passed, you are coming to the other side now…”) which did not come to pass.
- Perry Stone: Hidden-mic audio of threats to kill himself over sexual misconduct allegations.
Critique of televangelist culture, emphasis on true prophecy vs. suit-saying:

"When you start saying like, God said this... you’re just going to run through the whole rigmarole." (154:27, Matt) "Prophecy… especially if there's a phone number at the bottom… it's always like the sweetest, cutest, cozy… It sucks. It’s suit-saying." (153:56, David)
Warning to the audience about these types of public Christian figures.

11. Biblical Worldview & Humanizing Scripture

[122:17–138:51]

Examination of Christ’s action between the crucifixion and resurrection (Ephesians 4)—did He descend “to the lower regions” to proclaim victory or offer salvation?
Encouragement to “daydream” and “meditate” on scripture stories to make them real and relatable.
Humanizing early Genesis characters, like Cain and Abel, with speculative but grounded readings.

"If you think it's going to happen in your generation, which is like, man thinks it’s going to happen. In our generation, we always think so.” (136:52, Matt)

Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

On modern church culture:

"We need better, better pastors, you know. Better pastors." (16:47, Matt)
On institutional faith:

"The Body of Christ is the One True Church… made of all kinds of people from all kinds of places." (20:37, David)
On Rogan’s cultural influence:

"If you were the CIA, you'd be like, I gotta get my hands in this pie." (82:22, Matt)
On discernment:

"What me and Top have is discernment. We’re not necessarily researchers… we connect the dots." (96:08, Matt)
On blasphemous prophecy:

"This is sooth-saying … this is a false prophecy. ... To declare things in God’s name that God is not saying—that is blasphemy." (148:48, Critic)
On prophecy as warning, not comfort:

"I've actually had, like, legit prophecies over me… It was not sweet and cozy… it was, like, terrifying." (152:00, David)
On discernment vs. institutional loyalty:

"If you're nice but you're not kind, you’re [not a] person. I think in my opinion." (62:25, Matt)

Major Segments & Timestamps

[03:19] – Podcast partnership/banter/intros
[06:03, 41:40, 46:25, 47:06] – UFO UAP Files Second Wave discussion
[07:19–16:47] – Blasphemy in the church video review (Lutheran pastor)
[22:30–31:34] – Antichrist, prophecy, gematria, and numerology
[33:14–38:51] – Viral Fox News “mask” conspiracy video
[50:31–56:16] – Marriage advice, "peace" as a sign from God
[83:32–86:15] – CIA quantum healing codes & New Age cautions
[57:06–82:39] – Mainstreaming fringe topics, Rogan, culture shaping
[139:57–161:39] – False prophets, pastoral scandals, and calling out “suit-saying”
[122:17–138:51] – Christ in Sheol, daydreaming Scripture, Cain & Abel speculation
[161:39–End] – Wrap-up, final thoughts, and show close

✝️ Episode Takeaway

Sincere pursuit of biblical truth—in a bizarre, clownworld moment when “fringe” Christian history is suddenly mainstream—requires discernment, humility, and a skeptical (but charitable) eye towards institutions (both secular and religious) and their self-appointed “gatekeepers.”
The real spiritual battle is not about aliens, denominations, or viral videos, but about faithfulness, genuine relationship with God, and rightly dividing truth from manipulation, both inside and outside the church.

Memorable Final Quote:

“The research that led us here… just resonated with us because it was true. At a certain point, they have to say what's true. The cat's out of the bag.” (94:35, Matt)

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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
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Matt Hepner
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
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Matt Hepner
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Show Announcer
of a live studio audience. Viewer discretion is advised.
[02:02]
Matt Hepner
I do it now.
[02:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Welcome back to another episode of Matt and the Raven.
[02:06]
Matt Hepner
No, it's now it's Nev to America. Start over.
[02:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But whatever. So, yeah, it's us. So you guys go on Patreon.
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Matt Hepner
No, no, no. You have to introduce.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Hold on, Wait.
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Matt Hepner
You got to introduce you and then introduce me.
[02:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay. I'm Matt Hepner. That's Raven. AKA David Lee Corbo.
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Matt Hepner
Yeah.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
AKA the Italian Stallion. AKA Tony Baloney.
[02:25]
Matt Hepner
No. Okay, now do Patreon.
[02:27]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So go to Patreon.
[02:28]
Guest Speaker
Yeah.
[02:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Spend a bunch of money. Buy the shirts, buy the hats. Buy the Bohemian Grove tickets.
[02:33]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Check that out.
[02:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The. You can't get the VIPs unless you come into the Standard and pay a hefty premium. We have a special button for it on the pos. No, there's gotta buy it.
[02:42]
Matt Hepner
They can only get the.
[02:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's got to be cash.
[02:45]
Matt Hepner
Nope, they can only get those.
[02:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Personal check right now to Matt Hepner.
[02:48]
Matt Hepner
They can get those at. Where are we?
[02:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We are at Bohemian.
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Matt Hepner
No, no, no, no.
[02:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We're on top Lobster. You buy them there, you get the Nephilim Death Squad T shirts.
[02:57]
Matt Hepner
Check that out.
[02:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You got hoodies.
[02:59]
Matt Hepner
Cough into the microphone.
[03:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You got lobsters and ravens inside the thing from Guardians of the Galaxy. They're, like, inside there with the animals. Yeah. There's all the frequently asked questions, so don't hit us up and say, hey, where do we stay, Matt? Can I come pitch a tent on your food for us? No, there's a whole list there of, like, hotels you can stay at.
[03:18]
Matt Hepner
That was Good.
[03:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. You did great, man.
[03:20]
Matt Hepner
No, that was. You did great. I'm very excited today. Are you excited, Matt? Because we were supposed to do nothing and necessarily we have a show later on Top and I, and then this is kind of an impromptu thing and you offered your services and I appreciated that. I thought that was nice.
[03:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You got it, man. I mean, I owe a lot to you for my podcast success. Dude. I think maybe sometimes you think that I'm not grateful that like I just fell into this. Like I automatically have a built in crowd. There's never a day where I think that, where I don't realize that like I fell right into this with like your crowd, your hard work for 10 years.
[03:50]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[03:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And then I just come in for like 10 days and all of a sudden I have a built in crowd. Like, I totally know that. And you taught me a lot of stuff out of podcast.
[03:57]
Matt Hepner
Well, I mean, I don't necessarily. That doesn't pass through my mind. Like Matt's, Matt's getting, getting all the gains from my hard work. Like, I don't think that doesn't, that doesn't cross my mind.
[04:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Although, you know, I'm grateful.
[04:08]
Matt Hepner
You know what I will say when sometimes when I watch you and Top do episodes, I get jealous because doing a podcast is so fun.
[04:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, I'll let you know a little known secret, which is that we do have a spot where people can ask for which guests they want to see on the Straight Bible interviews. And you're actually number one dude. I mean, you're barely ahead of Albino. Number two is Albarino. But I'm like, I don't want to bother him. He's got a lot going on. But the number one asked for is the Raven. And I'm trying to explain to people like, you're like a locked chest dude. Like you got to get in there with a pry bar and you're not really into that. You don't want to tell your life story and everything about, about you.
[04:45]
Matt Hepner
Where is this supposed.
[04:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, people are texting in and saying, dude, what are you interviewing? The Raven. When are you gonna interview the Raven? When are you gonna have the Raven on? I'm like, dude, he's a lockbox. Like, you can't get in there.
[04:55]
Matt Hepner
I actually don't think that that's true at all. I don't think anybody's doing that, but I would, I would be happy to be. What, what's the name of that show?
[05:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's Straight Bible. The Interview Sessions.
[05:03]
Matt Hepner
The Interview Sessions.
[05:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So it's been Good. We just did the one with Christian. You met Christian? He's a good dude. Primal Resistance.
[05:11]
Matt Hepner
Oh, I didn't meet him.
[05:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You never met him?
[05:12]
Matt Hepner
No, no. Top met him. I wasn't. I wasn't around for that.
[05:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[05:14]
Matt Hepner
You guys like to have a lot of fun and. Which is cool.
[05:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's not true. That's you guys without me. But he. But Primal Resistance wants to come on your show too, because he loves the alien stuff.
[05:24]
Matt Hepner
What's he resisting?
[05:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, the whole system. Right. He's showing all the poison.
[05:29]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[05:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All the way from, like, sunscreen to food, so called medicine, even down to, like, dog food.
[05:35]
Matt Hepner
I like his sunglasses.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, those are blue blockers because. Yeah, because like the blue. The. Is it blue light?
[05:41]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, blue light that comes off your cell phones.
[05:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Looking at it all the time. So he's like. He's done the deep dive on all that stuff and he just. He's another guy that just happened to move to this area and get a little plot of land and wants to just check out of the system.
[05:53]
Guest Speaker
Huh.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But he really. You guys should really have him on NDS and do the alien thing because he's super intrigued by that. I just don't know enough about the rakes and the dinosaurs and the praying mantis. What the.
[06:03]
Matt Hepner
Oh, my God. I think Nancy's here. Nancy, is that you? Unbelievable. She's hitting the. The. Hi, Nancy. Why is Top in the studio? Tops in the studio, too. Oh, my God. No, that's not even. That's just Top watching, you know. Today you're bringing up aliens. We're going to get into it a little bit. Today is a big day. Sort of. I guess if you're a boomer, it's a big day because they released the second wave of UAP files. I feel like this show.
[06:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I thought it was the third now. I thought they already did. No. Was it too. When they had the four types of aliens?
[06:34]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, that. So that came out after the first wave of UAP releases had been kind of marinating. People have been going through it for the last two weeks, it seems every two weeks. That was kind of the idea from the jump. I don't remember who said that. Might have been Daddy Timothy Alvarino, who said that it's going to happen every two weeks and each one's going to get exponentially crazier. So for the last two weeks, we've been sifting through the old ones, new ones have come out, and we're going to get into that a little bit later in the show, but something that I wanted to offer you as far as a ball in your court is a little video that I dug up. I'm not going to show you what the caption is. I'm just gonna let it rip.
[07:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Wait, is it top against people on X?
[07:15]
Matt Hepner
No. That was a crazy video.
[07:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh boy, here we go.
[07:19]
Matt Hepner
All right, so here we go. We got the dude. Star of Ishtar. That's an interesting. I wonder what the sort of Christian explanation for why this pastor has a dress like that. Well, because that star is the star of ishtar, right? It's eight pointed star, right? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Yeah, so it's an eight pointed star and I don't know, maybe, maybe it's the, the North Star as well. Who, who knows? But let's see what he has to say.
[07:46]
Guest Speaker
Message. Today I'll talk about how Paul confronts the idea that non Christian religions are bad and what that means for our religious landscape here in America.
[07:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What
[08:01]
Guest Speaker
it was college and it was a chapel service, 10:10 every weekday morning, 10:10am part of his message that day, he said there are 13 references in the New Testament that make it clear that if you don't believe in Jesus, you are going to hell. Jesus.
[08:20]
Matt Hepner
Well, I mean, 13 references that say you're going to hell, your salvation is through Christ. Is that what he means?
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I guess. I don't know which 13 he's referring to, but I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. You're saved by grace through faith. And it's all in connection to Christ. No man comes to the Father but by me.
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Matt Hepner
And what would the opposite of that be? I mean that's, that's not knowing Christ.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Even people who claim to be, which
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Matt Hepner
I'm going to go ahead and call that hell.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, the lake. Well, ultimately the lake of fire, because hell gets thrown into the lake of fire. So right now it's like this holding tank before the judgment, right? And then when the judgment happens, then it's like you go with God or you go away from God.
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Matt Hepner
So he's referencing 13 scriptures. He's not made, you know, any clarity as to which ones.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But no. Yeah, but he's not saying anything crazy right now. By Christ alone. Amen.
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Matt Hepner
Okay, cool. Let's let it rip.
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Guest Speaker
This is the only way.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, I mean it feels creepy just the way he looks and stuff and the outfits and yeah, the star and I don't know whatever else is going on, but it's not like he hasn't said anything Crazy.
[09:17]
Matt Hepner
I wonder what that's. So I'm imagining that whatever that star is on his chest has something to do with the church that he's operating out of. Know how every church has, like, a symbol or whatever? It's a cross with a scarf around it, or not a scarf, but, you
[09:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
know, the dude, they wear all kind of crazy stuff. They wear the Deon fish hats and, like, they wear all kinds of stuff.
[09:34]
Matt Hepner
I'm not so sure that this dude. I'm not so sure that this guy is. Is Catholic. I don't know if he's pro. I don't know what he is, but here, let's let it go.
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Guest Speaker
I left chapel that day feeling, to be honest, superior. I was in the right after all. I. I believed in Jesus. And clearly the voice of God has said, those who do not were in the wrong. Now, no need to raise your hands, but I wonder how many of you listening right now have ever felt that way, you know, that feeling of superiority.
[10:14]
Matt Hepner
That's a weird feeling.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know.
[10:16]
Matt Hepner
He's losing.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm falling asleep. Because I was a kid, dude, we had to go to the Catholic Church when I was a kid. And there's something about their tone.
[10:22]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That just.
[10:23]
Matt Hepner
Well, he's, you know, for the audience who's listening. He's a million years old.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[10:28]
Matt Hepner
So it could just be old dude tone. You know, we live in the villages. A lot of people just talk like that. But I think he's already off to a fundamental flaw in where he's going with this saying that you. You feel superior. Like, is that what we're supposed to feel?
[10:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, but he. But if he's saying that that's a flaw in the modern system, he's right.
[10:47]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[10:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Where, like, people.
[10:49]
Matt Hepner
I mean, well, he's saying he felt that way.
[10:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, I mean, he's like, there's a. There's a misunderstanding school or something that made him feel like he was better than others. I mean, if you study Israel, that should be the main thing you come to is like, they own the pornography.
[11:01]
Matt Hepner
They own the banks,
[11:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
the covenant people. They. Instead of taking it, like, wow, God's using me as like, the. The conduit that he operates through to planet Earth. They were like, yeah, no, no, no. We got a monopoly on God. And so people do the same thing. And we're supposed to read the Old Testament and learn those lessons and not make those same mistakes.
[11:23]
Matt Hepner
Right.
[11:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But there's one thing about, like, believing in Christ. Yes, you can. A five minute quick and Easy calorie, burning workout.
[11:33]
Matt Hepner
Give it a try.
[11:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Come join our sweat sesh on TikTok. If you're into tech, you'll love this. TikTok is a live lab where users post instant reviews of the latest trends. Download TikTok and check it out. You got to be careful with. With the way this is understood. Belief or faith, like, faith really is tying into this word faithful or like, loyal, like loyalty to Christ. Faithful to Christ is what it is to have faith in Christ. It's not like I believe in unicorns or like, oh, I believe in Jesus in the far, far away. You have to know him, because here's what goes wrong, dude. Not everyone that saith unto me, lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. But he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven, he who lives this many will say to me in that day, lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you. So that's the issue. Then he says, depart from me, you that work iniquity. He says, I never knew you. So this is different than just, like, what we think of as faith in the sense of like, I believe in unicorns.
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Matt Hepner
Okay, all right.
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Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's. It's. You got to know him because ultimately that's the issue. He says, depart from me. Why? Because I didn't know you.
[12:52]
Matt Hepner
Right. All right, well, let's see what else this guy's got to say.
[12:55]
Guest Speaker
Because you're in the right. Well, for me, it transferred into judgment, really. Because I began to think people who were not Christian were second class.
[13:08]
Matt Hepner
That's retarded.
[13:08]
Guest Speaker
And they should be converted.
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Matt Hepner
Okay, yeah, they should be converted for the sake of their own salvation.
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Guest Speaker
Thinking has led to some pretty awful things. History is littered with the atrocities of that kind of thinking. Believe in Jesus or die kind of thinking.
[13:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[13:30]
Guest Speaker
What did we do to the first people of America in the name of Christianity?
[13:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, no. Christ never said, kill the American Indians.
[13:38]
Guest Speaker
What was done to our Jewish siblings under Hitler?
[13:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The Catholic Church has killed way more of the Jews than anybody race.
[13:49]
Guest Speaker
And to be honest, some of the things that are being said today to justify the war in Iran.
[13:55]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[13:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Is this.
[13:56]
Matt Hepner
This has got to be. Rusty says, damn Catholic Church is hella boring, brutal.
[14:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Not only that, when you're there, it's like an hour. It's stand, sit. Yeah, stand, sit. You're like doing cardio almost. Stand, sit, Neil. But then you Figure out, like, when they do the Our Father, you know, you got like 15 minutes left when they do the communion, you know, you're like.
[14:13]
Matt Hepner
Then you're excited. Yeah.
[14:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You start, like, timing it out, even as a kid.
[14:17]
Matt Hepner
Because then you're like, I can't wait to get the hell out of here.
[14:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's why you should be able to ask your mom, like, hey, what's up, Mom? Like, what is this about?
[14:22]
Matt Hepner
Usually don't talk during this thing.
[14:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No. Not even after. Just like. Because I said so.
[14:26]
Matt Hepner
Right, Right. So this is the kind of. The takeaway this guy posts. Lutheran Pastor Glenn Ciso, it's a Lutheran church, says that insisting Jesus is the only way to God is an ideology that leads to superiority and judgment and is the same kind of thinking that led Hitler to kill millions of Jews.
[14:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
When you frame it like that.
[14:44]
Matt Hepner
But, I mean, I kind of have a hard time saying that's not what I just heard. And look, maybe there's greater context, maybe. He goes on to say, like, that's not the feeling that you should come away with. You shouldn't come away with a feeling of superiority or that anybody else is lesser than. In fact, you should be glad that Jesus Christ, the gospel, is the good news. Right? Yeah. And so your salvation is through Christ, and you should be out of love for your brothers and sisters, wanting them to be. It's not a superiority thing. Yeah. It's a love for humanity thing.
[15:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And this concept that, like, anybody was ever doing any killing in the name of Christ, I'm not saying that didn't happen. I'm just saying they were completely not right doing it in the name of Christ because Christ never called for that.
[15:24]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. They were incorrect.
[15:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So to take some. Take the Bible, just completely mangle it, turn it into a worldly institution that has tons of power and money and authority and wants to rule over people on the earth and acting like somehow Christ told you to do that, that's. That's madness, bro. Yeah.
[15:42]
Matt Hepner
I don't have so much of a problem with this as I thought I was. Because I don't like to watch these videos. I like to kind of, you know, experience them in real time. I thought that was going to sound different. I'm leaving room on the table for this guy to have gone on and expanded on that, like we just said. Right. This isn't about superiority. This is about being glad that you have salvation and you want to share it by the grace of God. Right. And that you want that for other people. And so it's a It's a. It's a love thing. Right? You know, how could you even be superior? And the whole thing is about humility, right? Because you're a sinner saved by grace. So that having superiority in that whole thing doesn't make any sense. But I will say at the very least, the way that he was, it was so soft and retarded that it leaves this gigantic opening to be like, to interpret it as. Oh, so you're saying believing that Jesus Christ is the only path.
[16:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[16:33]
Matt Hepner
To salvation.
[16:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, even I need to even like track with what he just said. I'm like, wait, what? It's just too slow and mangled of a delivery and he's reading it. It's not even like coming from the heart.
[16:42]
Matt Hepner
They just need. We. We need better, better pastors, you know, Better pastors.
[16:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That guy was a Lutheran or the guy responded, what's.
[16:51]
Matt Hepner
What is Lutheran?
[16:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They were the original, like, Lutheran was the first one to say, the story of Lutheran's kind of wild, bro. So he like, wants to be a man of God. It's just like people today, they want to be a man of God. They don't know any other way. There's just this 501C3 system. So you assume I got to go to cemetery school, go through the system, because I want to give my life to God and I want to do that. Right? That's all they know. So Lutheran does that. He goes through the Catholic system, he learns Latin, then he can read the Bible because they wouldn't let common people read the Bible.
[17:19]
Matt Hepner
Right?
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[17:48]
Matt Hepner
Foreign.
[17:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm calling like, you guys are making stuff up, dude. So he nails the 99 thesis to the church door. I think it's Wittenberg, Germany. It's somewhere in Germany. Like, nails the 99.
[18:01]
Matt Hepner
What's the 99 pieces?
[18:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
These 99 things? I think it's 99. I don't know, maybe it's 95 or. I don't know, it's something like that. But like he nails this thing to the wall and, and it's on the church door and it's all this stuff that. The system of that day, the Catholic system of that Day was making up.
[18:17]
Matt Hepner
Oh, yeah.
[18:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's like. And the core of it was indulgences. You know, we get in this conversation about purgatory. I've been on your show before. He talks about purgatory. It's like, it's not in the Bible, but it's like, it's very convenient because they created this thing called indulgences where you could buy your dead loved ones.
[18:32]
Matt Hepner
Purgatory, bro. Buying your dead loved ones out of purgatory. This is a lot of the contention that, like, Top has been having with the Orthodox Church, because you have this. The way to salvation is the Orthodox Church. Like, if you're not in the Orthodox Church, you're not a real Christian. But then it's like, okay, how do I get into the Orthodox Church? We got to be baptized Orthodox. Well, okay, let's do that. And then you look at it, and some of these Orthodox churches are charging 250, upwards of a thousand dollars. Since then, more screenshots have come out. It's like $2,000. All kinds of crazy, which is not across the board. It's not uniform across all the Orthodox churches, but it's.
[19:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You know, I don't care if it's
[19:08]
Matt Hepner
free, because to save your dead loved ones. Right. Pay for your dead loved one's salvation, for your own salvation in the Orthodox Church, depending on which one you go to. And I'm not saying it.
[19:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Pay for it. Yeah, you gotta pay for it.
[19:20]
Matt Hepner
Paying for your salvation is.
[19:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But even just saying it's free, but you have to do it through our system. Yeah. It's just like, oh, man, this is so wild.
[19:27]
Matt Hepner
Well, that's the thing that I brought up on the show the other day with Top. I said, imagine a dude who crash lands on a island. You know, his boat goes down and he. And he escapes with just his Bible. And he survives on the island and. And he's just. All he's got is just the Bible and his connection with God. So he's talking to God and he's reading the Bible, and the dude goes, let's say, out of his way to hack down some trees and create a place of worship where he's like, this is the place where I'm gonna go and I'm gonna commune with God. My special little place that I've made on this island. All I have is my Bible and my relationship with God. And some Orthodox dude comes over and he goes, not the true church. Like, that seems so great.
[20:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Way to put that.
[20:06]
Matt Hepner
Seems unbelievably like that guy would be close.
[20:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Not the only one. I think many of them does that too. But it's just madness when they say if you don't come through our system, you're not in.
[20:16]
Matt Hepner
It just seems like, you know, we talked about this on the show too. It's like they look at. In order for it to be the one true anything, it has to be something akin to an infallible institute. I don't think there's such thing as an infallible institute. Show me an infallible institute.
[20:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Not.
[20:32]
Matt Hepner
It doesn't exist.
[20:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[20:33]
Matt Hepner
So attaching that phrase to it, the one true is like, kick rocks, dude.
[20:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. The body of Christ is the one true church, dude. And that's made of all kinds of people from all kinds of places, from all kinds of time periods. And it's those that know him right well. I mean, and they look different. See, that's like the wild ass thing. If you say no, you have to be part of this camp that looks exactly like this. It's like, that's not biblical, bro, because it's a body. Like, like imagine if you took like fingernails of lungs, a kneecap, you know, like an elbow, an eyeball, put it all on a table and be like, okay, is this all from the same body? You might look at that and say, that's not even from the same planet. Like, what are you talking about? Right, right. But that's how, that's how like different looking the body of Christ is supposed to be. There's no way that it's supposed to be just a pile of eyeballs. And the Bible deals with that. That it's. That it's not just a pile of eyeballs. And that one body part has no right to say to other body parts, you're not part of the body.
[21:27]
Matt Hepner
Right, right. Well, that, that is the thing, right? I mean, I think because we're all humans and so we're all inherently flawed. Everything. There's not one group of us is going to do the perfect thing.
[21:38]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No way.
[21:38]
Matt Hepner
But we're gonna offer in each group something really valuable. Yeah. Yeah. So.
[21:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And that's why the devil has everything. Sp denominations and races, bro. When I used to go to all black church, bro, I was like, yo, these people have something that like the white church doesn't have.
[21:53]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, you know what they have? Fun.
[21:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's.
[21:55]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, they have fun, dude.
[21:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And just a raw realness and like really cool music.
[22:00]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, they do.
[22:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I mean like a lot of cool stuff that you're like, yo, if the white church had this. This would be so cool. But the one I was going to, there was, like, holes in the ceiling and there was, like, rough. But it's like all these things, the different races and the different denominations, they're all supposed to kind of fit together, like.
[22:13]
Matt Hepner
Well, you know, what I will say, too, is, like, I don't necessarily want that. Like, want to go to a black church. I don't want to do, like, the dancing and the spirit fingers in the air. But I do. I. I look at it and I go, like, yeah, they're crushing, dude. They're having a good time.
[22:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Just raw, dude. Like, raw. Not.
[22:27]
Matt Hepner
Except for that black pastor that was out here that was having sex with the swingers. That was not good.
[22:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Sounds a little strange.
[22:31]
Matt Hepner
We condemn that. Here. Here's another thing on the topic of the Bible. Oh, I can't find my. Now, give me one second. This is Rob Skiva, I believe. And once again, you know, I didn't watch it, so I wanted to watch it here with you and see what you. What you thought. Let's make it big. The idea of naming the Antichrist, there's
[22:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
always somebody walking around the earth that, you know his name adds up to 666. So he's got to be it, right? Yeah. It says the beast comes from the bottomless pit.
[23:01]
Matt Hepner
So that's where I'm going to look for the beast.
[23:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Revelation 9, Revelation 13, and Revelation 17
[23:07]
Matt Hepner
tell you exactly in a tremendous amount of detail.
[23:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Know who the Antichrist is?
[23:11]
Matt Hepner
And they had a king over them,
[23:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
which is the angel of the bottomless pit. Where do the beast come from? Okay. Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon, which is a derivative spelling of Apollo.
[23:25]
Matt Hepner
So it just told you who the Antichrist is? Yeah, yeah. This is something. Look, Nimrod, right? So Apollo. I know where he's going with this.
[23:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Here.
[23:35]
Matt Hepner
I'll let it finish before I start spouting a bunch of. Well, Nimrod, at the Tower of Babel,
[23:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
everybody was under his leadership, all gathered together.
[23:45]
Matt Hepner
And then the confounding of the languages.
[23:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They went out to 70 different languages.
[23:49]
Matt Hepner
70 different people groups went their different ways, talking about the same guy now with different languages.
[23:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So he took on different names.
[23:57]
Matt Hepner
These are just some of the names
[23:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
that he became known by Gilgamesh, Orion, Apollo, and Osiris. In the case of Gilgamesh, he's one third man, two thirds God. Well, two thirds of 100 is what, 66.6%.
[24:13]
Matt Hepner
I like that. Little bit at the end. Two thirds of 100 is 66.
[24:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That, like, a long time ago, was the first guy I ever heard say flat earth. I was like, bro, what? And then I heard his whole thing on it. I was like, okay, wait a minute.
[24:24]
Matt Hepner
Well, I was wondering if you were going to see anything in there that you went, you know, you did the matte face and you did the head shaker. Not the case.
[24:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, no. I mean, I don't know if he's right. It's intriguing. The Bible talks about the Antichrist, right. It talks about many Antichrists, plural, and talks about the spirit of Antichrist, but
[24:39]
Matt Hepner
it talks about the man of perdition.
[24:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Like, in particular. Yeah, yeah. So they're ultimately, one day is the Antichrist, but.
[24:46]
Matt Hepner
So when he says that it was an angel from the bottomless pit, does that line up with your understanding of Scripture?
[24:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know if I ever tied all that together. I don't know. I don't know.
[24:57]
Matt Hepner
It's interesting, though, but it's in. It's in cohesion with some of the. I mean, you know, if you want to call it research that we do on this show, Apollo comes up a lot. Yeah, a lot. And so obviously does Gilgamesh. And, you know, we were talking not long ago when Donald Trump, who for a while we did episodes saying, like, this could be the Antichrist because there was just so many things about him that didn't make any sense. Could have been coincidences.
[25:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And to do Trump.
[25:25]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. We had a whole. In fact, there's a notebook somewhere on the floor by you, a little green notebook. It's got a. A whole section dedicated to just all the strange.
[25:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[25:35]
Matt Hepner
Having to do with Donald Trump. That didn't make any goddamn sense. And, you know, recently he comes out with that AI photo where everybody goes, oh, he looks like Jesus because he's wearing the white robes with the red.
[25:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, yeah. Healing somebody.
[25:47]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah, he's healing somebody. But behind him, there are these figures in the.
[25:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
In the sky.
[25:54]
Matt Hepner
One of them is Apollo.
[25:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[25:55]
Matt Hepner
And the reason that that's significant is because he also has a painting in his, you know, in his mansion of Apollo over his fireplace. And there's all kinds of connections to Trump and Apollo, and, of course, Apollo being Gilgamesh. You know, you connect that to the idea of the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh. And we've done episodes with Ed Mabry where he goes, the Antichrist is going to be filled with the spirit of Nimrod. It'll be Nimrod you know, reincarnated, potentially, you know, incarnated into something, whether that something is AI or a man or whatever the case is. So those names, Gilgamesh, Nimrod, Apollo, constantly coming up in this conversation about the Syrian.
[26:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I mean, I don't know, like, from my thing. I've seen a bunch of good studies over the years on who the Antichrist is, but I don't think I've ever really tried to take a deep dive into. Okay, I'm gonna pinpoint them. I think all my, like, studying of the Antichrist, like, okay, this is a dude that, like, people are gonna love.
[26:55]
Matt Hepner
Oh, yeah.
[26:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So Trump could fit that narrative in that sense. It's like people would definitely be like, on board with this guy, come hell or high water. Like, he's not gonna come with a, like a pitchfork and the devil horns. He's gonna be a dude that's like, like slick. He almost has like Gavin Newsom vibes. I feel like, just slick looking. He's gonna solve probably problems. And so that's why it's intriguing when you get into like the fallen angel type of people or Apollo or whatever. They show up and they have the cure for cancer.
[27:21]
Matt Hepner
Sure.
[27:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They have the cure for aids.
[27:23]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[27:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You don't have to pay an electric bill anymore. They just give you this thing, it's like a quarter. They go, yeah, just put this in your house and you. It'll like do all your electricity. And people are gonna love that. And they're gonna be like, like, yeah, dude, this is the one. He's gonna be like, very. People are gonna be drawn to him. I don't know exactly who it is, but I think in Birthright.
[27:40]
Matt Hepner
Don't talk about that.
[27:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's a strong point, dude. Yeah, but. But the dude Skiba just said the same thing, man.
[27:46]
Matt Hepner
So it's honestly that idea of, Of. Was it Gilgamesh? You say Gilgamesh, or was it. I know he said Nimrod being so. So Apollo is depicted as having a bow, right? And then Nimrod tries to pierce the heavens or shoot God with this bow at the top of the Tower of Babel. So that's really interesting. But then saying, I wonder where he gets this idea that Nimrod was said to be 2/3 angel, 1/3 human, 2/3 angel, fallen angel, whatever.
[28:14]
Guest Speaker
Or.
[28:15]
Matt Hepner
Or God. So making him a demigod. And then of course that, you know, breaks down into decimals as 66.6.
[28:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, but I like what he said was like, every generation can point to somebody absolutely. Say, look, Ronald Whatever. His middle name was Reagan. His middle name was like six letters too.
[28:33]
Matt Hepner
Well, that's that whole gematri.
[28:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Every, like every generation. Like, dude, imagine if you lived at the time of Hitler. Like, you're like, this is the end. Well, that's the World War. Like, this is the end. We've got an Antichrist and Hitler. But I think every generation has that. There's somebody they can point to and say, that's him.
[28:47]
Matt Hepner
Nancy, are you there? Come on, let me add her to the stage.
[28:54]
Nancy
Yes.
[28:54]
Matt Hepner
Can you do me a favor? Can you look up. Pick an arbitrary number. Three digit number. Matt. Not, not other.
[29:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What?
[29:02]
Matt Hepner
An arbitrary number.
[29:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Think of it. Yeah, I'm not doing this with Nancy for mine.
[29:06]
Matt Hepner
No, no, no, it's not mind reading. All right, so let's say 261. Do me a favor, go to the Gematria calculator and type in 261 and then we'll bring it up on the screen. Because the thing with Gematria that drives me nuts is that they'll be like, you know, this person's name has the same value as. As this word. So it'll be like the gates.
[29:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm really in a pinch right now. I gotta be honest.
[29:28]
Matt Hepner
What's the matter?
[29:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know what Gematria is, and I feel like you're gonna.
[29:30]
Matt Hepner
Oh, no, no, it's okay. No, no.
[29:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay.
[29:31]
Matt Hepner
Gematria is gay.
[29:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And what is it?
[29:35]
Matt Hepner
So, so Gematria is looking up the numerical value of letters. So every, like the Hebrew language, Hebrew
[29:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
and Greek numerical value, which is fine.
[29:45]
Matt Hepner
But then what happens is you go, the gates of Hell. I'm just throwing one out there. It's, you know, this is not a real one, but like the word, the phrase, the gates of hell has this. The same numerical value as Donald Trump.
[29:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And you go overboard with like.
[29:58]
Matt Hepner
Well, then what happens is you go down the list because they'll show you pretty much everything they can think of that has a numerical value of. Of, you know, let's say 666. Here we go. And make that big real quick. So Barack Obama. See, that was it. I just said 261. Barack Obama has the same value as Luna, which means moon. So you feel like, whoa, there's something really crazy there. But if you look all the way at the bottom, that also has the same numerical value as Cheetos.
[30:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, I don't like all that.
[30:27]
Matt Hepner
Stupid, man. But people There are coincidences. By the way, has 261 in its value. I would say that actually Is accurate. Highlighter is a great one. Yeah. Concept predict Apu as in the.
[30:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I think Derek Prince broke down one time that Apollo.
[30:53]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, Apollo. Apollo has this the same dude. What a. What a crazy thing that. What a crazy coincidence. That's funny, dude.
[31:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I think that Jesus. I don't know if it's Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus Christ. Jesus the Messiah, something. Derek Prince broke it down that in the Hebrew and the Greek it. It's 888. 8 numerically. So it makes sense. Jesus, Jesus name.
[31:19]
Matt Hepner
Oh, okay.
[31:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So it makes sense that the Antichrist, like the faker of him, like the other christ would be 666. And I think he was making the point that 8 is like completion, like after.
[31:30]
Matt Hepner
Sure. That's. That's what's crazy though, because you start getting into that. That's a lot of the.
[31:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Gary's making the point that like, that makes sense that it would be that whoever it is.
[31:40]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. I mean, you know, but maybe I just think that that's really. That was really funny. That was a perfect example because Apollo has the same numerical value as Cheeto. So. So you know what happens is Cheetos
[31:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
are good, but be careful.
[31:54]
Matt Hepner
You have to start picking and choosing. You know, that's. That's the definition of cherry picking. If you're gonna bring up that it has the same numerical value as something that you see, you know, you think is significant, whether it applies to prophecy or otherwise.
[32:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What's he like? So that me and my loved ones don't get caught by.
[32:14]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, dude, that's my thing. And apparently he's going to be a lot of fun here. Speaking of things that are a lot of fun, I don't know.
[32:21]
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[32:51]
Matt Hepner
This is going super viral and I haven't really looked at it. It's kind of remarkable how much it's blown up. And I think this guy is going to be talking about. I'm not sure, he might be talking about UAPs, but this is something that happened on Fox and you know, we'll. We'll have a gander at it.
[33:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What is circled on his neck? I don't like this. What is that?
[33:19]
Matt Hepner
Reconfigured a number of things I am certain what do you think the next best move is today?
[33:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't like that circle.
[33:26]
Guest Speaker
Well, I agree with the general completely. With one caveat. Patience may be a little short of the real.
[33:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay. Why did they circle the neck?
[33:36]
Matt Hepner
What is that? Are you looking at the neck?
[33:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, but if I didn't, I would just think it was a shadow. But now it looks like a mouth. Wait, does he have a thing from smoking? Where you have to get the thing.
[33:44]
Matt Hepner
Not today, not Nil C. Can you bring that chat up on the screen? Nance, not today, not Nil C. It's a couple up.
[33:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What is that?
[33:53]
Matt Hepner
He just said the funniest.
[33:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I wouldn't even have noticed that.
[33:56]
Matt Hepner
What? That. That thing that we're looking at.
[33:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, I don't think I would have known.
[33:59]
Matt Hepner
What do you. What do you think it is?
[34:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know. It looks like a mouth though, when he's talking.
[34:03]
Matt Hepner
Here, I got it. Nance, this is very important. What am I looking for? Keep boiling your water.
[34:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Somebody just said mask. Yeah, like it's the bottom of the mask. I don't know who that was, but that's probably a lovely lady who just said that. If we could pull it up real quick.
[34:19]
Matt Hepner
Well, he's a couple they call Trump Cheeto man because of being orange in color, which is hilarious. But that's how it goes, right? You start connecting these things. Okay, so who said mask go up a little bit? A lot of people said mask a little bit.
[34:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, she seems like a sweet.
[34:33]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I know this lady. She crushes.
[34:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
There we go. That makes sense that it's like a mask that comes down to the neck. Is that what she's saying?
[34:39]
Matt Hepner
Well, what do you. Here, let's. We'll let the video. I don't know.
[34:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I didn't think that until that sweet lady said that. Like, this is crazy.
[34:45]
Matt Hepner
Oh, here, check it out.
[34:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But I don't like how it's moving. Has had short term and long term
[34:51]
Matt Hepner
effects on the regime and the people.
[34:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
This is the stuff they do just to mess with us. Is that what's happening?
[34:58]
Matt Hepner
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So Idaho Hermit says, is this on fox? I bet zero boo Boomers caught this. No, I wouldn't have got it. Dude, this is hyper viral right now.
[35:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It is.
[35:09]
Matt Hepner
Oh, it's all over X. And not to say that. Well, I guess boomers are probably on X these days because they like musk and you know, they want to go, but I don't know what to make of it here. It's only a few more seconds.
[35:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We'll let it play astute.
[35:22]
Matt Hepner
In leveraging that time.
[35:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Capitulation, the president since made it very
[35:31]
Matt Hepner
clear you will not have a nuclear weapon.
[35:33]
Show Announcer
You will not have the material. Surrender that and you will ensure that.
[35:38]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I mean, he's got that horizontal thrusty.
[35:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Panda's just weird. I wonder what it would look like if you're just watching it in live time and it wasn't circled with an arrow pointing to it. I wonder if you'd be like, I
[35:47]
Matt Hepner
mean, I've seen it. I. I've seen it and somebody said that they actually think it's some sort of shadow from the lens because it moves in, in kind of unison with the mouth.
[35:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[35:56]
Matt Hepner
But to me, and I'm not saying it is a mask. In fact, it kind of the reason I brought it up because it's very viral and I figured it'd be a little bit fun to talk about, but I do think it's. It's gay and dumb. I'm not saying that it is a mask or it isn't a mask, but I don't think it's a relic from the lens on the camera. I think it, it looks like if you had light pointing at your face like, like I do right now, and it's casting a shadow on my neck right from my chin. But if there was a extra flap here, it would cast an additional shadow every time my mouth opened up.
[36:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, that's an intriguing statement. There's lighting that when you do tile. That's why there's a tolerance for tile. When you're doing like wall tile.
[36:37]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[36:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You can put a straight edge on it and there's a tolerance. It's never going to be perfect, but if you light it, Idaho, you can't put the light like too close to the wall. Code in Florida is like 16 or 18 inches off the wall wall. Because even if you do a perfect tile job, that little millimeter that sticks out on tiles like this as it shines straight down, like really casts that.
[36:59]
Matt Hepner
Even if you just painted a wall and you had some imperfections on the drywall. Right.
[37:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's why lights have to be like 16 to 18 inches off the wall.
[37:07]
Matt Hepner
So I think that's actually what we're looking at now. There is some side by sides. I don't know if I could find it. Nance, if you're not too busy cooking, see if you can find a side by side of that dude with the mask. And there was a previous this. You Know, conversation that was only from the 18th. I think today is the 22nd. So he was also making the rounds on the 18th and. Okay, thank you. It's interesting because he looks more gaunt on the 18th. Now, that could just be.
[37:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Looks different.
[37:37]
Matt Hepner
It could be confirmation bias. Right. I'm just looking for something, but, like, his head and his face look thicker in this video that I just showed you than it does when his recent appearance from the 18th happened. He looks a little bit more sucked in. And I've seen these. These masks.
[37:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. They're a real thing. They got to be a real thing.
[37:57]
Matt Hepner
They are a real thing. Elohim says what's going like.
[38:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Like I was gonna ask too.
[38:01]
Matt Hepner
It means, like, dehydrated and sort of withering. Sucked in. In the face. You could see the cheekbones and a lot of shadow being casted on his face. So I don't know. I mean, we'll check that out if Nance can find it. If not, just let me know, but we'll move on. In the meantime, just fun things, you know, you said, is it just to give you something to chew on or. I don't know.
[38:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know. You do feel like so much of the stuff is just a mess with the people now to see, like, what are they going to do with it? They like to flaw on it. What? I think the dude, Owen Benjamin, when he talks about the spell casting and stuff. Sure. He had. They have to show you. They have to show you. And that's how they dominate you, is they show you ahead of time. Right.
[38:39]
Matt Hepner
Like a sort of a demoralization.
[38:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[38:41]
Matt Hepner
Thing, you know, we're going to show you what we're going to do to you, then we're going to do it in your face anyway.
[38:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[38:45]
Matt Hepner
Could be the case face.
[38:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Who knows, man? That's very strange for that to happen on Fox News too, man.
[38:51]
Matt Hepner
Well, that. That sort of thing has happened in the past. It just hasn't been that egregious that you would definitely see the seam. A lot of people would look at Biden's face during the tail end of his administration and say there's all sorts of telltale signs of, you know, a curved line around his ear looks like.
[39:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Wait, wait. But the boomers here all say that those guys have already been killed.
[39:13]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, they're all been killed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So within the QAnon conspiracy and, you know, I guess they get this from extrapolating on coded Q drops.
[39:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All hung at Guantanamo executed.
[39:26]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:27]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Does anybody think that? Does the Real ones think that.
[39:29]
Matt Hepner
Look, I have seen weird videos of Hillary Clinton where they seem to be forcing her into a van. That was a really weird thing. I don't know what that was. I remember when they put up a wall, a temporary wall. Like, you know, how would I explain this? Like. Like a pop up thing you might use to. At an event to create some separation between one room and another. It's maybe 10ft tall or something like that, maybe a little bit more on the White House lawn. And there were videos from an aerial perspective that you could just barely see, thinking that you might have caught a glimpse of somebody on a gurney being moved in and out. That was. I don't know if that was during the Trump administration first time or if that was during Biden's administration early, but there's a lot of videos and none of them are proof of anything. Look, Joe Biden, I feel like I can confidently say was not the guy that we were watching towards the end of his administration. Oh, here we go. So, yeah, he looks really.
[40:27]
Nancy
I don't know, I couldn't find a side by side, but okay, we can
[40:32]
Matt Hepner
kind of do a little popping. So if you look at this, this. And just take note, guys, of sort of the striation in his cheeks, right? He's got like this bag. It could just be the lighting. All this could just be lighting. I'm just grasping.
[40:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I mean, depending on how far apart it is. Dude, I might look like that if I had like six straight days on the farm. I'm just saying he looks bad eating.
[40:51]
Matt Hepner
He looks like a baggy dude, right? Like in the face, he looks age appropriate.
[40:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Sucked in a little bit.
[40:58]
Matt Hepner
Doesn't look well hydrated. And. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Versus.
[41:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Does he have a throat thing in this one?
[41:06]
Matt Hepner
Well, I mean, just. Just look at that. And then look at this one. Remove that and pop that. I just feel like he looks fuller. He does look fuller. Like, it look like his eyes look sunken in. Like, it could be a mask that
[41:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
the eyes are deeper. I don't know.
[41:23]
Matt Hepner
It's barely. It's barely a significant difference.
[41:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't like it.
[41:26]
Matt Hepner
At the end of the day, I would say so this is General Keen. Who gives a. Like, who's General Keane that I would even care?
[41:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Who knows, bro? They just bring the guys on and they're just like, yeah, this is somebody important. His opinion's important because he has some title.
[41:40]
Matt Hepner
Thank you, Nancy.
[41:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Good job.
[41:41]
Matt Hepner
Well, here's another one that's fun. We're gonna show this. Okay. There you go. This is the. What is this? Department of War? Yep. Releases unidentified anomalous phenomena files in historic transparent efforts. Effort. Yeah, that's the word. Second release. So we just got the second release today. The White House announced this. What time was this? 9, 16 in the morning. So, you know, nice and early. We got our second wave of. Of UFO stuff and I'm gonna tell you, none of it seems. Nancy, you're my. Your mic is on. You're stirring coffee. Hold on. Where the hell is it?
[42:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So, Nancy, I got some Asian food last night. Aiden brought it home. Don't say that. No, it was like, you bring home the raw meat, raw noodles, the raw, like all this other stuff and then the broth, and the broth is like super hot.
[42:32]
Matt Hepner
You talking about faux? Is that what you're saying?
[42:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I guess. Okay. It's pretty good.
[42:36]
Matt Hepner
Why would you think that? Nancy would. She goes, yes, she's into that.
[42:38]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
She's probably making it right now.
[42:39]
Matt Hepner
Hey, Nancy, last night I. My son had some ramen noodles.
[42:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, she's eating the real thing, dude.
[42:46]
Nancy
Was it the good kind?
[42:48]
Matt Hepner
No, it was the regular plastic stuff.
[42:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I lived on those.
[42:52]
Matt Hepner
Well, it was plastic. Yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, you can kind of judge them up a little bit, you know what I mean? You get some hard boiled eggs or soft boiled eggs, legs, you cut them in half with like a string, right, so that the yolk pours over. You put some of that in there,
[43:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
you can take the boy out of the ghetto.
[43:08]
Matt Hepner
So check this out. This is Annapolina Luna. And I wanted to bring. Because we have to give her a round of applause. This is all thanks to her. Thanks to the stripper from Florida, Annapolina Luna, whose last name is not Luna. She changed her name, remember, not long ago she was threatening the CIA to, you know, whatever, return the documents. Return the documents. Garments that were taken off of Tulsi Gabbard's desk. And she was going to subpoena them, whatever the that means. I think you even said, is that even a big deal?
[43:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
None of it's. I don't know, dude. I'm kind of like the guy subpoenaed. Like, I'm like the guy. End of the world news, man. That it's like, want to get more
[43:42]
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[44:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All of it's just a show.
[44:13]
Matt Hepner
Of course.
[44:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I know Top is like, yeah, a lot of it's a show, but some of it we gotta dig into. I'm like, I don't know even like, who knows what once you're in government, like national government.
[44:24]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[44:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know, I just think you become like non human dude. Who even knows what they're talking about.
[44:30]
Matt Hepner
Well, I do think that you know some of these things. Like, did you know that Tucker Carlson's platform is considered like, it's, it's like that dude, CIA, that's a platform that's never going to be organic.
[44:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Told me this the last couple days. Yeah. And then like it has in on it too, because he went on, sure, sure, sure, sure.
[44:46]
Matt Hepner
So what that's done is it's shown me like no real ones do get through. You know, God's not just, it's not just game over because, you know, some evil cabal is running the world and nothing happens organically anymore. I'm not saying that Anapole Luna is organic. That's not where I'm going with this. But I'm just saying there's probably some room up there on the higher echelons of, of the comings and goings on the world stage. Where does. I don't think you can affect politics. I'm not saying your vote is going to matter when it comes to the president or anything like that, but I do think there are real ones mixed in with fake ones. Maybe they're outnumbered.
[45:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, but I don't know. Tucker could be a real one, you know, I, I don't know. He seems like a genuine dude, but I'm suppose like that's all part of the show too, you know, I, I don't know.
[45:31]
Matt Hepner
Well, let's see what Anapoleon Luna has to say. She goes, thank you to the Department of War and Arrow for this historic collaboration, as well as Donald Trump for authorizing the release. The videos you requested have the following captions on them. Quote. On March 6, 2006, eight members of the U.S. house of Representatives requested access to 51 potentially UAP related records allegedly held by the Department of War on the intelligence or and the intelligence community, rather the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Arrow identified a collection of responsive materials. Responsive materials held on a classified network. Many of these materials lack a substantiate substantiated chain of custody. I'm just making up words so I don't Know what the. It's just giant word, Sal. It didn't really mean anything, but I just wanted to highlight it because I was like, I'm not tracking. I promise.
[46:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I tried. I promise. And trying to understand what's being said, I'm like, dude, he's gonna be mad if I don't know what this means.
[46:33]
Matt Hepner
I tried to lock in even as I was reading it. I'm like, I.
[46:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Any clue what just got said?
[46:38]
Matt Hepner
So look, this is. This is kind of what's come out of it, you know, this is. This is the big drop. Here's four minutes of, I don't know, supposedly some. Some orbs. This is the kind of videos, this right here that I've selected for the audience who's watching and listening. There is a. What appears to be a US Naval ship on the ocean. And apparently at some point during this, we're going to see some orb zip by. And for the listeners I'm sure you can imagine, it is black and white.
[47:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[47:07]
Matt Hepner
Like, whatever you're gonna see next.
[47:10]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Anybody could make this video.
[47:12]
Matt Hepner
Well, I don't even know what we're gonna see next. It's four minutes. I gotta skip around, but maybe they're tracking. Oh, okay, okay, okay. This is the big. Look at it. This little white dot. You see that? That's approaching the crosshairs. And look, I don't know what I. Oh, I could see. It looks like maybe one dove into the water. They're tracking this one. They've kind of got it centered.
[47:33]
Nancy
It's.
[47:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Dude, remember like the Bigfoot videos from, like. Yeah, it's like.
[47:40]
Show Announcer
Oh, no.
[47:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's so easily put together. Like, that's what they would do today.
[47:43]
Matt Hepner
That means nothing. Yeah, it means nothing.
[47:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. I just.
[47:47]
Matt Hepner
I don't know. I mean, these are supposed to be groundbreaking in some way. It doesn't do anything for me. Something that I think is more interesting than the videos is the narrative. So Top and I have been talking about how the Overton window has shifted in such a wild way.
[48:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know what. The Overton window.
[48:09]
Matt Hepner
The Overton window is, is if you had an entire, let's say, map of information and culturally acceptable things to talk about. The Overton Window effectively is a rectangle. Oh, I see. Everything within here is acceptable to talk about.
[48:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay.
[48:23]
Matt Hepner
Anything outside of it is fringe saying,
[48:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
like, the right and the left. What used to be considered, like, if you took a Democrat from the Sixt, they would. This Overton window has moved, so.
[48:32]
Matt Hepner
Or you take a regular.
[48:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Dude, they'd be Considered super, right?
[48:35]
Matt Hepner
Yes. You take a regular dude from the 90s, and now I'm a alt right racist extremist. You know what I mean? I'm just like. I'm just.
[48:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, gotcha.
[48:43]
Matt Hepner
I used to call my buddies when we were growing up, so there's nothing, you know, so the Overton window has shifted in such a dramatic way when it comes to. I mean, you can't really call them conspiracies anymore. And Napoleon Aluna, the. The God bless her, the. The stripper from Florida who, you know, wrangled the CIA and made sure that we got these.
[49:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
She's a Florida chick. Like, she's a Florida House or Florida Senate.
[49:04]
Matt Hepner
I don't know. Who knows? She's a congresswoman. I don't know if she's a congresswoman
[49:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
for Florida, but she used to strip in Florida.
[49:10]
Matt Hepner
She used to strip in Florida.
[49:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay.
[49:11]
Matt Hepner
Which I guess is kind of the same. Anything anyway. And she, you know, we have to thank her because she compelled the CIA to, you know, return the files. And she's been spearheading, really, Disclosure in its official form. Right. In its official government form. That's been happening. And she was on Rogan's. And she was telling Rogan, you need to read the Book of Enoch, because this is about fallen angels, Nephilim, and then Tucker Carlson, you know, after he has on Owen, the next episode that he does, he has on a Freemason who's telling him about the spiritual realm and demonic entities and. And all this crap rap. And it's like, none of it is a surprise. If you watch these shows, it's like, no big deal. But what it really is is it shows you, like, oh, the acceptable conversation has shifted in such a dramatic way. Yeah, I made a tweet last night.
[50:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What do you make of that? Is the thing. It's not like, oh, this is real now. It's like, oh, they are letting us know or want us to know. This is real now. And speaking of Freemason, shout out to my boy Thomas. Happy birthday.
[50:15]
Matt Hepner
I was out in birthday. Oh, it is. It's Thomas's birthday. Happy birthday to Thomas, Paranoid American. I was out in Mount Dora yesterday for my anniversary and I found a.
[50:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
How many years.
[50:26]
Matt Hepner
Happy birthday, Thomas.
[50:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Happy anniversary, Raymond.
[50:29]
Matt Hepner
Thank you very much. 11 years.
[50:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
11 years you've been married?
[50:32]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. And when we were out there, we went out for, like, breakfast and, you know, it was a really good time.
[50:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You guys still love each other?
[50:38]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[50:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
A lot of times you start hating.
[50:41]
Matt Hepner
I made a tweet where I said that 11 years makes it official that I can. I can give advice. I'm allowed to give advice now because if you have a decade of good marriage, you're allowed to give some pointers, I think. And it was just on the idea of, like, picking a spouse. And I said, if. If the person that you're with, because there's a bunch of stuff.
[50:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
How long did you date before you got married? Like, how long did you know each other?
[50:59]
Matt Hepner
We knew each other for a while, but it was like, there was a great distance. You know, we met in high school, so I was. I was 16 when we met, and she was. I was either 15 and she was 16, or I was. Was 16, she was 17. Whatever.
[51:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But.
[51:14]
Matt Hepner
And we hit it off really well,
[51:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
you know, but run a game on the older lady.
[51:18]
Matt Hepner
Well, yeah, and I did, but we never, like, you know, dated. And then years went by and we remit. When. When I was 23. And then from that period out, it was super fast.
[51:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[51:28]
Matt Hepner
Which is funny because all my friends were like, oh, you guys are moving too fast. I'm like, I.
[51:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
People say that, but when, you know,
[51:33]
Matt Hepner
you know, you know, you know.
[51:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[51:34]
Matt Hepner
So I was saying, like, picking a spouse because everybody's got all these. These pre qualifiers. It's like, you know, especially for women, they'll be like, guy has to make six figures. Guy has to be.
[51:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But that's. Those dating apps did that.
[51:44]
Matt Hepner
It's retarded. The.
[51:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The things like you. You could go online and, like, check the box.
[51:48]
Matt Hepner
I think that was dating apps that did.
[51:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yes. Dude, those things were gonna, like, you check all these things about you. You check all these things that you want, and then that. That system, like, connects you with somebody else, and then that's such. They get married and then their fart stink and they get divorced in six months. Like, I didn't sign up for.
[52:04]
Matt Hepner
Let me tell you something. If my wife divorced me for stinky
[52:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
farts, it would have happened a long time. Stuff was like, the grandparents, like, our grandparents.
[52:11]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[52:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They got married because they lived on the same street. They got married because they went to school.
[52:15]
Matt Hepner
Right.
[52:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But you know who orchestrated that? They lived on the same street. God did.
[52:18]
Matt Hepner
Of course.
[52:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So you see what I'm saying? It's like God had brought together. So you gotta watch out for the person who God brings to your life.
[52:24]
Matt Hepner
That's what's really crazy.
[52:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Like, check all the boxes. Like, me and Jess are opposites in, like, a ton of ways. Yeah.
[52:29]
Matt Hepner
Me and my wife are opposites as well.
[52:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. So it's like, you just gotta take the one that God brings to you and trust him. That, like, he orchestrated that.
[52:36]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I said that in the tweet. I said my. Or actually, I think I said it on. On Facebook or something like that. Said, my marriage is a blessing from God. And if I could give any advice, like, there's a lot of things. Right. Are you attracted. This is huge. Right. Do you find the person attractive? Is always going to be. But then outside of that, I think the number one thing is, like, do you. Does this person bring into your life. Are they a source of peace?
[52:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's a great point, too. Yeah.
[53:01]
Matt Hepner
Because a lot of. A lot of people, you know, and whatever, you just see it. It's just everybody knows somebody who. You look into the relationship and they're just. Just fighting in their chaotic.
[53:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I have buddies that love to fight with a chick, dude. Like, bro. What? I got enough problems in real life. I don't want to come home to fighting.
[53:16]
Matt Hepner
That's like the tr. You know, the tree of life to restore the nations. What's that?
[53:22]
Nancy
She gave good advice, too.
[53:23]
Matt Hepner
Oh. She said, find a man who you want to wear, like, a skin like you want to punch in the face and wear their skin.
[53:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Is Nancy married? No. No.
[53:36]
Matt Hepner
That's what my. That's what my wife said.
[53:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, I know, but is Nancy.
[53:38]
Matt Hepner
Because I almost feel like, no, we're trying to. Right now. We're putting in, you know, just too
[53:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
much, like, too much baggage or what do you.
[53:47]
Matt Hepner
Well, we need the. Correct. She's given the blessing that NDS can give her away in marriage, but we need a sizable dowry, and I like that. So far. We've got a lot of offers, but I think we could do better. One dude offered, like, I think six cows, which is cool. Cool. You know, but I don't really have space for cows. Top didn't want the cows, but, yeah, we are taking offers. Dowry for Nancy's hand in marriage. No promises that she won't kill you. Not like in a. Like in a row. And probably in a romantic way.
[54:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But your wife is just saying. Which some people would call your helper.
[54:19]
Matt Hepner
Sure.
[54:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Which is actually biblical, though. It's actually biblical in an intriguing way. It's actually a biblical statement.
[54:24]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[54:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
She's saying, like, yeah, you had to be able to hate somebody and.
[54:28]
Matt Hepner
No, no, she's saying you have to punch them. Love somebody so much that you want to. To punch them in their face and then take their skin off and wear it.
[54:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's intense.
[54:36]
Matt Hepner
It's like when you have like, that sounds like true love animal so cute that you want to squeeze its head till it dies.
[54:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, that's a little much, but I like that.
[54:43]
Matt Hepner
I've never done that.
[54:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, I'm not saying you have, but it's like that.
[54:46]
Matt Hepner
You ever just see like, an animal so cute that you just want to, you know?
[54:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No.
[54:51]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, dude.
[54:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Bella did that to an animal. Yeah. When she was little. I forget what it was.
[54:55]
Critic/Commentator
A bird.
[54:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, it was some kind of. Dude, Bella, she crushed a bird. She built a bird trap in a loquat tree with like, fishing wire. What the.
[55:02]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[55:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
D. She was wild when she was little, dude. She was super creative and she caught a bird in it. Like a baby. Like a small bird. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is a story. We'll get Jess to confirm.
[55:11]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[55:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But some animal when she was little, I'm pretty sure it was that animal that she caught in her trap. She held it and loved it so
[55:17]
Matt Hepner
much that she killed it.
[55:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Killed it.
[55:19]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Yeah, Girls will do that. My sister killed a ferret that she loved real. Because she fell asleep on it.
[55:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, geez.
[55:25]
Matt Hepner
And that made me sad because I wanted that ferret. And then. And then she ended up killing it.
[55:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But that's a real thing in marriage is like, there's gonna be the fight. Fights, dude. Like, you can't just pick the chick who, like, I've been. Dude, when it's good times, I've been blessed.
[55:37]
Matt Hepner
We barely fight.
[55:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's good.
[55:38]
Matt Hepner
We barely fight. We have a really good sense, my wife and I, of like, when to, like, back off. As soon as you start getting a little bit nasty, it like, just maybe. What are we doing? Yeah, what are we doing?
[55:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Yeah. And just being grateful for, like, the situation.
[55:50]
Matt Hepner
Hell yeah.
[55:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What do we have to fight about really, in the end here?
[55:52]
Matt Hepner
It's, you know, it'll be stupid stuff. Not stuff that I can remember, that's for damn sure. Okay, so here, let's get back to.
[55:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Congratulations, bro.
[56:00]
Matt Hepner
Thank you very much. So, yeah, guys. Pete.
[56:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Peace.
[56:02]
Matt Hepner
If they're a source of peace in your life, that's a great thing to build on top of.
[56:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Somebody you can chill with.
[56:07]
Matt Hepner
That's a huge. That's a huge thing. I. I have that overwhelming sense all the time when I.
[56:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
When I.
[56:12]
Matt Hepner
My. My house is a. Is a place of peace. My relationship is a source of peace.
[56:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And I'm gonna have really great reset button when you come home.
[56:19]
Matt Hepner
So check this out.
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[57:06]
Matt Hepner
You are. You know the. The Eric Weinstein, right? Don't you? You were a Rogan fan for a little bit.
[57:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I mean, I know the name. Yeah, Yeah, I know that guy with some intriguing cakes.
[57:17]
Matt Hepner
I think he's a dumb.
[57:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, whatever. Some of his takes are very intriguing. I don't know if he's, like, cool or not, but I've heard him before. I'm like, wow, he's saying some wild stuff. Stuff, dude.
[57:25]
Matt Hepner
Oh, my tinfoil tiara. Says somebody who can make free fire sandwiches. That's also. I mean, that helps a lot.
[57:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yes.
[57:33]
Matt Hepner
I don't. I haven't had a sandwich in a while because I've been trying not to. I've been trying to lose this weight so I can have bread and stuff.
[57:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
This guy got ran out of the science community because he wasn't down with string theory. I know that. I remember him talking about that.
[57:45]
Matt Hepner
Well, string theory is not real. We know that.
[57:47]
Critic/Commentator
I know.
[57:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But they ran him out because he was saying it wasn't real.
[57:50]
Matt Hepner
Well, let's see what he has to say. This is really interesting because we're talking about how the videos of the uap. What did Ross say? Oh, thank you, Ross. Appreciate it. Shared the stream. Hell, yeah. So we've been talking about how the videos are boring. And I find the videos boring. I really do.
[58:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, that's what this whole thing. Because everybody was so excited. Alien disclosure. And then it happened.
[58:10]
Matt Hepner
Everybody's like, what I'm watching is. Is the narrative. That's what I find fascinating. Who's pushing what? Who's doing what? That's what got Daddy in there.
[58:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You and I talk about it with dudes. That's, you know, we're intrigued a little bit by the news of it, but it's almost like, what's the narrative, by the way?
[58:24]
Matt Hepner
Look at this guy's dead eye. Is he wearing a mask?
[58:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't Know, I think this guy's an intriguing thinker, though. I think. Huh. He's got an interesting take.
[58:34]
Matt Hepner
See what he says that the government
[58:36]
Critic/Commentator
outreach to me and to Sam Harris
[58:38]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
and to Lex Friedman, and, you know,
[58:40]
Critic/Commentator
there was this thing where these guys who checked out said there's going to be a massive disclosure and we need people to disseminate these things to the public.
[58:49]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And he's got the same stories. The pastors of the public. Didn't we just hear this about the pastors?
[58:55]
Matt Hepner
Isn't that interesting?
[58:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
When was this?
[58:57]
Matt Hepner
It's just happened.
[58:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
This is just a recent one.
[59:00]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Wait, guys, chat. So now, is this real? Weinstein was just on Rogan's podcast. It's from a recent episode. Right? Anybody? Anybody? A Rogan fan?
[59:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Intriguing. It's like the system is reaching out to each of the divisions of humanity.
[59:13]
Matt Hepner
I've already, you know, I've clarified for our audience the whole pastor situation that got blown out of proportion. Joseph Z. Is a false prophet. And I could say that confidently because he prophesied something in a very theatrical way that did not come to pass. And in fact, the person that he prophesied over died shortly after that. And the guy, Perry Stone, somebody said it's recent. It is recent. Thank you. Google. Google of the chieftain. And the guy, Perry Stone, has 12 accusations of sexual assault. 12 different women. That. That's not false either. That's. I can say that confidently. I'll say that on the show.
[59:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He put out some OG stuff, dude, about, like, a long time ago.
[59:57]
Matt Hepner
Who knows what happened there. I'm just saying those dudes are a mess.
[60:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[60:01]
Matt Hepner
And they embellished a lot. There was never any government officials that did this.
[60:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[60:05]
Matt Hepner
Tony Merkel called a like, hey, do you guys want to hang out? My Airbnb. I got some homies who, like, kind of know their. Their researchers, independent researchers, and they have some connections that make. Makes what they say. Have a bit more version.
[60:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Has Merkel been in the game with Christ for, like, a long time or recent?
[60:22]
Matt Hepner
It's kind of been a long time. He's been in the church, and then he was out of the church, and he was a grumpy dude, and he had his own, you know, coming to Christ moment. And his show, I think, is, you know, like seven years old, eight years old, something like that. So he's been doing this for a while. It's evolved. It's become a lot more.
[60:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He reached out to, like, modern 501C3 pastors. I don't. Is he somebody who's like, well, that's how you get to God, is like, through these guys. These are the OGs or connected with those guys.
[60:47]
Matt Hepner
This is gonna seem uncharitable, maybe, because some of the audiences and overlap, and they like his show. And I like his show, too. I. I even like Tony.
[60:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's, like, a really nice guy. Any clips I ever see, I think
[60:55]
Matt Hepner
what happened here is that he was. You know, the stuff he was looking into was not received well by the church at all. Right. He's looking into Bigfoot and Nephilim and. And, you know, all these crazy ideas. And then all of a sudden, because in my opinion, he wouldn't say this is the case, but in my opinion. And his audience and influence got so big that some of these guys finally decided to turn to him and go, hey, you know what? You're not so bad, Tony. And then he was. And you could hear when he says it, because he doesn't believe it. He'll say it. He goes, to me, it's still just amazing. These guys even like me. And it's like, you got to stop thinking about that dude.
[61:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[61:31]
Matt Hepner
Who likes you. That's not what's important. And so I think these guys, you
[61:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
know, I think that's what Elijah went through, was he was, like, preaching a message and was all alone in that message. Then he comes, does the Mount Carmel showdown, proves that God is God and says, okay, guys. Guys, like, you know, I'm a real one. You know, God is the true God and thought he was going to be accepted into that system. And then Jezebel's like, we got to kill his ass.
[61:50]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[61:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And that was the thing. It was, like, too much for him, and he wanted to die because he kind of wanted to be back in the system.
[61:55]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[61:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So I'm not saying. Yeah. For a man of God to want him to want to reconnect with the church.
[62:02]
Matt Hepner
Right.
[62:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Like, that's a genuine thing. Like, you wish you could have fellowship with that system, but I don't know. Elijah went through it.
[62:08]
Matt Hepner
I get it. It's tempting. And I think that one of the things that we do here on Nephilim Death Squad, that looks one way from the outside looking in, but if can zoom out and see the way that it served us, it's kept us from that.
[62:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[62:20]
Matt Hepner
And that is being. I made a tweet the other day where I said, you know, if you're.
[62:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
If you're especially top.
[62:27]
Matt Hepner
If you're nice, but you're not kind, you're a person. I think in my opinion.
[62:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What's the difference?
[62:33]
Matt Hepner
Well, niceness is, is basically just word service.
[62:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[62:36]
Matt Hepner
In my opinion. Whereas kindness is like what does it matter or what. What really happens when you need that person? Like is there will a person do something for you that is not self serving.
[62:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Right.
[62:49]
Matt Hepner
Or so. So I think if you like my wife is nice and kind.
[62:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[62:54]
Matt Hepner
She will give you the shirt off her back. But she's also just constantly, She's a sweetheart and I think those people are really valuable. But I think kind people who are not nice tend to be actually decent people, you know, so they're not giving you lip service.
[63:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They're not buttering you guys out. A post the other day where it said like, like sins above water and a big thing of good deeds.
[63:14]
Matt Hepner
Oh, that was top posted that.
[63:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Like good deeds above the water and a lot of mountain underwater.
[63:19]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[63:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You're saying like kindness, you might be the one with like a little bit of sin that's so visible but good deeds underneath.
[63:25]
Matt Hepner
That's why I try to be somebody who's like, I'm not really so worried about being nice and saying nice things.
[63:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So same.
[63:31]
Matt Hepner
You're not going to get a lot of flattery. Not just flattery, what you think is affection. Like the things that you think, think indicate that I care about you. If you are like a shallow thinker, you might think it's, you know. Yeah. Flowery language, nice words, any of those things. I don't really do that.
[63:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[63:49]
Matt Hepner
But if you need me, which is like something you get to show off a lot less. Well, you call me a fat. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to see what. You trigger me, Nancy. You trigger me.
[63:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Take it easy.
[64:00]
Matt Hepner
We're gonna have some disciplinary action in here. Don't tell people what goes on behind.
[64:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, I respect what you're saying. I feel the same way too. I hope I'm somebody that maybe the 501C3 system is like, oh, don't like him, doesn't fit in. He says stuff. But I hope they know like, yo, if you ever need me, I'm here for you.
[64:13]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, but that one, the second one you just talked about, does not get to be shown off that often because how often do people need you? Emergencies are far and few in between.
[64:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Sure.
[64:21]
Matt Hepner
So you know in that way. But I think that is a rule of thumb if you, if you want to look through that lens, it might serve you. Is this person nice? But are they kind? Is this just a person who says a lot of things I don't even know how we got on that. All right, here, let's. So I want to play the rest of that video. That's what I want to do. And then we want to talk about, about this boop boop
[64:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
who listens to you. And we need to get you informed
[64:46]
Critic/Commentator
so that you can help mediate the disclosure.
[64:49]
Matt Hepner
So what prompted this change in narrative?
[64:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What's going on behind the.
[64:55]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. With the government.
[64:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. Look, we don't know what the thing
[65:04]
Critic/Commentator
yet. Some of it is again so low quality that it's embarrassing to be seen with it. So my colleagues who don't want to
[65:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
take this seriously use that like.
[65:15]
Critic/Commentator
Okay, so you're, you're, you're now on the little green men train. And I said, no, I'm on the
[65:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
special access program trade.
[65:21]
Critic/Commentator
There is, there's for sure special access program or programs that have UFO on
[65:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
the side of them that may or
[65:29]
Critic/Commentator
may not have aliens or craft or non human intelligence in them.
[65:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It may be that it's decoys. It may be. I don't know what it is.
[65:36]
Critic/Commentator
There's no way to deny that there's like a giant lump under the carpet.
[65:42]
Matt Hepner
So.
[65:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, yeah, that didn't feel really good.
[65:45]
Matt Hepner
Well, the thing that's significant about that is that he was. Contacted him, Sam Harris, who I think is totally gay. Lex Friedman, who is incredibly boring.
[65:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Isn't this what they call like social media influencers?
[65:59]
Matt Hepner
Sure, but what's really significant about them is that they have, these guys have become, you know, somewhat of a household name. And you know, I don't know about Sam Harris, but Lex Friedman and, and Weinstein there, they became a household name because of the Joe Rogan experience.
[66:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So there's a, there's an elaborate plot to get this narrative out to everybody from these different. You know, if you don't believe the pastors, you'll believe Lex Friedman. If you don't believe Lex Friedman, you'll believe the pastors. If you don't believe the pastors and Lex Friedman, you'll believe Eric Weinstein. And they're just trying to all these avenues to get it to all the people now.
[66:33]
Matt Hepner
Well, we, we, I mean, like why though?
[66:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's the only question.
[66:36]
Matt Hepner
The pastor's thing, like I said, I, I think that may have been a normal organic thing because the guys that broke down that information to them were not government guys. These are just, I mean, you know, to try to say what they, they may have been ex military and may have had some Connections, because you make some friends while you're in the military, and if you have some access, guess that never entirely goes away. So some of their information, maybe you could argue should be taken with a little bit more weight than other people's information. But that's really the extent of it. It was just Tony Merkel getting together in this. So the timing of it is interesting because, yeah, this very much looks the same as that. Yeah, but this is what I said.
[67:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And maybe. Is there other circles that we just don't happen to be in that they're doing that in other circles, too? We just don't know about it because it's like, in. I don't know, whatever. Maybe it's whoever listens. Like Taylor Swifty. They're, like, getting her to say it or something.
[67:27]
Matt Hepner
Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know about Taylor Swift. I don't know about that level of kind of vanilla character, but Albarino is a good example. Albarino. We were watching him the other day. He was on the. What the was the name of that Lindell network, which is, like, kind of a joke, right? It's the my pillow guy, who, by the way, we once upon a time got a promo code for my pillow. And we never. I just never got around to saying anything about boomers.
[67:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Love that guy.
[67:53]
Matt Hepner
I know that's important. Important. The boomers are watching Lindell tv. Yeah, they're watching Lindell tv.
[67:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So his book was in here. Like, he wrote a book. I don't know how many years ago it's been, but it would. I mean, people would leave five of them in here.
[68:04]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[68:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The next week, there'd be five more in the library.
[68:08]
Matt Hepner
People are really sketched out about that guy. I talked to his, like, rep or whatever. She seemed really nice, but she. You know, she's got to tell you the whole story while she's on the line with you. And she's like, he used to be a crackhead, and now.
[68:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[68:17]
Matt Hepner
Now he makes pillows for the Lord. And I'm like, base, man. That's cool.
[68:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Cool.
[68:20]
Matt Hepner
Then he got all tied up with the Trump administration. So now if you're with Lindell, you're General Flynn network adjacent or something like that, which, you know, who knows even what that means?
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[68:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
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[68:59]
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[69:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Out.
[69:15]
Matt Hepner
But the point is boomers are watching the Lindell TV network or whatever, and that is the, the demographic that needs to get caught up. So when we talk about the thing that looks like Covet to you, remember we were watching Age of Disclosure. Like this feels like Covid, man, where they're like repeating the thing. Safe and effective. But in this case it's, I'm a military personnel in that occupation for 30 years and I've seen these things. Remember you were saying like that repetition is creepy. It feels like Covid. Yeah, that's for boomers.
[69:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[69:43]
Matt Hepner
And so Albarino is on the Lindell network and he's doing the thing, he's looking down is he doesn't look up when he, when he talks for whatever reason, which I now think is just his autism showing. And I mean that in a gracious way, not necessarily in an insulting one. I think he just has to look down. It's how he gets his information flow going seems to work out for him because he can spew a mean word salad, but he is in that position. So I think Albarino is kind of like that. The same thing as, as Weinstein is kind of like that, you know, S.A. harris, Lex Friedman. But this is kind of my take on it and I want to get your thoughts. I said, so help how? Because they were tasked to help Weinstein and them disseminate government approved information and steer public opinion on UFOs. I said, where the Joe Rogan experience, Where else? Because they're not. Nobody's watching Lex Friedman Friedman show. Nobody's watching Eric Weinstein. Not like, not like Rogan. So they're going to get on Rogan, they're going to disinformate or rather disseminate this information. And then I said, JRE is truly the modern day Laurel Canyon. That's something that we say on this show all the time. Laurel Canyon is basically military intelligence creating a cultural manufacturing machine. You know, they, they created the doors. They hijacked movements like the anti war movement or the psychedelic movement or any of these things and they infiltrated it with their characters years, you know, the Jim Morrison's father Was in. In military intelligence. He was a member of this entire operation.
[71:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Jim Morrison from the Doors.
[71:14]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah. The Doors were fabricated. The Doors were fabricated. Yeah, yeah. 100. So Laura kind of knew because they
[71:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
didn't have a bass player. It was a guy on the piano instead. Dude, I knew something was up, bro, because when I used to be super ripped, especially on hallucinogens, and listen to them. Yo, this is weird. It's not like guitar, bass and drums. Yeah, it was guitar, drums, and then the dude on the piano. But what was the guitar player? Robbie, I think. Think he. He kind of crushed. Well, you know, they were all put together.
[71:39]
Matt Hepner
I've never listened to the Doors, but Jim Morrison's father was military intelligence, steeped in the occult.
[71:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, but I remember he said that, like, they killed an Indian on a. On a. I thought his family, like, ran. No, his fan, like, Jim Morrison's family, like, ran over an Indian. I'm probably butchering this story, but I think I remember it like. Like an American. Yeah, like in the desert in like, Southern California or Arizona or something. And the dead Indian they saw, like, on the road load entered his soul that day.
[72:06]
Matt Hepner
Jim Morrison's.
[72:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that. Dude, it had to be 30.
[72:11]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. So naval intelligence. He was an admiral in. In the. In the Navy.
[72:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No way.
[72:15]
Matt Hepner
So. So Laurel Canyon was the, you know, the location, but the entire point was cultural manufacturing by military intelligence.
[72:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, they did that in that time period. Right. And then they'll do it now. They killed him at 27 7. Because then Jimi Hendrix, they took out James Joplin. They took out.
[72:33]
Matt Hepner
Well, they. So somebody actually asked because they were like, what do you mean? Like Joe Rogan? What did he say? This guy goes, how. How is the place that spawned the culture creation through the Tavistock Institute and the CIA akin to Rogan's podcast. I can't make that fit in my brain. And I said DMT and psychedelics, right? Sensory deprivation tanks, UFO pros, UFC and mma.
[72:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Wait, but hold on, hold on.
[72:59]
Matt Hepner
Listen to these things that I'm listening or listing. Stand up comedy, carnivore diet, keto diet.
[73:05]
Nancy
Right.
[73:06]
Matt Hepner
And you can keep on going on. What have I named there?
[73:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
A bunch of rad stuff. But you're saying that's not just organic from Joe Rogan, that somebody planted them?
[73:14]
Matt Hepner
I mean, it doesn't matter if it's organic or not. I think what. What we've done here is highlight, like, what has Rogan done for DMT and psychedelic delics? Ayahuasca he's created a boom in interest. Not just made it. Okay, A boom in interest.
[73:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Right.
[73:30]
Matt Hepner
Sensory deprivation tanks.
[73:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I know, I don't like that, but I like when he brings on Dr. Rhonda Patrick and she talks about. So for fame and sauna, she talks about her.
[73:38]
Matt Hepner
What are they called? Campaigns.
[73:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And goggins can run like 100 mile races and they're in the 50s. Like, I'm grateful for that.
[73:43]
Matt Hepner
That's another thing. Hunting. Right. What has Rogan done for hunting?
[73:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
A lot.
[73:46]
Matt Hepner
What has he done for mma?
[73:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
A lot.
[73:47]
Matt Hepner
What has he done for standup comedy? What has he done for, you know, the carnivore diet, the Keto D diet. The point is he became a massive cultural manufacturing machine. You know how we talk about free range MK Ultra chickens?
[74:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[74:01]
Matt Hepner
It's like, I think it's best if you just do it as hands off as possible. So like Jim Morrison's father being naval intelligence or whatever it is, and the Doors being like a direct connection to military intelligence is too hands on. I think eventually it gets to the point where like once you create, create a standard, the rest of the industry emulates it. So in other words, if the music industry goes, yo, you've got great skills, kid, but you need to be talking about crack, you need to be talking about gang violence, you need to be talking about and all this other stuff, or else you're never going to get taken seriously in this industry. Then all of a sudden this little talented black kid who was singing about something else or rapping about something else goes, all right, well, I've got. I can get the bag if I go and talk about these things. Do that enough times and all the other people see, oh, that's the way to success now. You don't even have to tell them.
[74:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, so are you saying though that somebody manufactured Rogan to be the way he is?
[74:53]
Matt Hepner
I don't know. It's hard, man. People say a lot of weird.
[74:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Actually, he just reminds me of a dude that like all of those topics. I love hunting. So when he's talking about hunting, I'm like, yeah, right on. I love staying in shape and being an old person, older person.
[75:06]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[75:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So you talk about them like, yeah, right on. I love health. So when he has on Andrew Huberman or Dr. On Patrick, I'm like, yeah, right on. Like, those things didn't make me that way. Way. I love Graham Hancock's research and all, like the ancient like forbidden history stuff. I'm like, I love that stuff already. He starts talking about, I'm like, yeah, let's go. The UFC ones and the comedy ones. I don't really watch, but like, the stuff that I like. I was like, yeah, this makes sense that there's a dude that likes all this stuff. I like all this stuff.
[75:31]
Matt Hepner
Well, this is a silly little video, and it's not meant to, like, win over any. But here, just watch it real quick. It's only 30 seconds. Okay, I'll tell the government right now. Tell you right now. If you're listening, nsaca, I'm available, okay? If you show me all the real. I swear to God, I will make fun of that crap to the end of time. I'll make up stories.
[75:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'll. I'll lie to my mother. I don't care. You scared me the other day, though. You had Eddie on the ropes, right? He was thinking he went back with the CIA.
[76:04]
Matt Hepner
Let's see what this dude's saying. This is weird. This is a weird little movie moment. Just, like, analyze it as if this wasn't the most comfortable thing that Joey Diaz could have said in that moment. I'll lie to my mother.
[76:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't care. You scared me the other day, though. You had Eddie on the ropes, right? He was thinking you went back with the CIA.
[76:22]
Matt Hepner
What? What?
[76:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You had, you know, you got on the ropes. Sure.
[76:25]
Matt Hepner
What are you talking about?
[76:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You know, the CIA.
[76:27]
Matt Hepner
Who knows?
[76:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What? Nothing. Okay. Are you saying don't worry about nothing achievement.
[76:33]
Matt Hepner
You.
[76:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's fourth of July. But what was that about, like, the Eddie Bravo? Is that what he's talking about? Had him on the ropes, talking about CIA.
[76:42]
Matt Hepner
So basically, what. What he's alluding to there, it seems like it's hard. You're just kind of connecting dots in a really screwed up conversation between friends. What? I mean, screwed up? I mean, they're on, like, edibles. They're all up. But it seems like Joey Diaz is alluding to, like, yeah, you had Eddie kind of worried the other day. Like, he went back with the CIA and back with the CIA. That's what he says. Back with the CIA. And. And Joe kind of laughs and he. And he's like, what are you talking about?
[77:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Does he still have Eddie Bravo on the lot?
[77:10]
Matt Hepner
He's had some real arguments with Eddie Bravo. I like Eddie too. So, you know, that's. That's all it is. It's really hard to read into that and say that you could draw anything meaningful from it. But what I will say is, if think about all the things I listed off to you, right? Mma, psychedelics, yada. Yada, yada, the whole thing.
[77:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
If that steered culture the way that
[77:32]
Matt Hepner
it did, of course, then the CIA would be interested in that machine before
[77:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
the biggest show after, though. That's my only thing.
[77:39]
Matt Hepner
I mean, I don't know.
[77:40]
Nancy
He did walk back to moon landing.
[77:43]
Matt Hepner
He did walk back the moon landing. That was really suspicious. He lost a lot of people when that happened. He used to basically.
[77:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What do you mean, walked it back?
[77:49]
Matt Hepner
He used to say, like, yo, the moon landing seems like the biggest crock of shit. When you just.
[77:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Now he says it's real. Yeah, no, which, you know.
[77:57]
Matt Hepner
Is that what the CIA used him for? I don't know. But here's something else that's interesting. Psychedelics and float tanks. He did a number for those things, right? Remember John C. Lily, the guy whose assistant was jerking off the dolphins?
[78:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I heard you guys talking about that, but whenever I heard him talking about the float tanks before, I thought it was just like a health thing. You're saying like, nah, dude, this is definitely.
[78:12]
Matt Hepner
Those things come from John C. Lily. John C. Lily is doing, you know, psychedelics and he's communicating psychically with Dolphins. And then MKUltra project. MK Ultra literally is. Is the intelligence operation that becomes fascinated with all of his findings. So. So if you, if you do a ask AI or whatever, it's Google's too, and say what intelligence agency was interested in John C. Lilly's float tank and psychedelic work? If you do that, it'll tell you MK Ultra. So that's really weird because MK Ultra being this giant, you know, mind control for.
[78:49]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
For.
[78:49]
Matt Hepner
If you want to give it a blanket terminology.
[78:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So if they wanted everybody to accept this stuff, they would blanket it with a guy who's talking about all kind. You can relate. Everybody could relate to Rogan on something that he's talking about. Yeah, like everybody likes him. He's talking about, like way ahead of his time. Cooler stuff than what you could see on the regular news or regular tv.
[79:06]
Matt Hepner
Despite all.
[79:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We just kind of slide in the whole psychedelics thing.
[79:10]
Matt Hepner
I. I like, I can't even lie to you. Think about me doing a podcast. So this. I can say this to finish. Despite my pudgy visage, I was very into health and nutrition for a long time.
[79:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yes.
[79:25]
Matt Hepner
That became. That came from Rogan mma. I was doing MMA for a decade, on and off. That came from Rogan Podcasting, becoming a podcaster. Who the do you think inspired me?
[79:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Sure, dude.
[79:38]
Matt Hepner
Like, you cannot put.
[79:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I just think I'm a little older than you. Like, I was into that stuff. Before Rogan, like, maybe because I'm older, like, that was the stuff that we were into. Could be ahead of time. It wasn't like Rogan got us into it. It's just like, oh, cool. Rogan's talking about the stuff I'm into.
[79:51]
Matt Hepner
Right? Well, I don't think you could really put any measure on the amount of stinky white women conga lining their way to the Amazon to go and do ayahuasca. Yeah, that was a fringe.
[80:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. I didn't like when he was talking about the psychedelics, I was like, bro, I get what you're saying, but that's getting in the spirit realm illegally, and it leads to a ton of problems. Even Graham Hancock, they said, started to have seizures and stuff, but they never connected it to the psychedelics he was doing. And I was like, oh, man, I like Graham Hancock's work work, but I just wish they weren't doing this and getting like, I don't know. You start opening those doors, dude, it's like, hell yeah, they're wide open.
[80:25]
Matt Hepner
It's a big problem. I mean, I. I literally. I don't know what Top is doing. By the way, guys, tune into the phone Booth podcast at 3pm I think they stream live on. On Rumble. I'm pretty sure it's a live show. If it's not a live show, then. Sorry, guys, but the phone booth. The phone booth podcast with Ted and the Italian guy whose name I forget at the moment and I apologize for. For that, but we're gonna be on that show at. At 3:00'.
[80:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Clock.
[80:49]
Matt Hepner
Super cool, dude. Very into flat earth. Really good, dude. One of my early buddies in. In my. My sort of podcasting journey. You want to drink this time around? No, no, I'm fine.
[80:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You don't want anything?
[81:00]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I'm fine. So what the hell was I talking about? Yeah, I just think that there's something.
[81:06]
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[81:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
12 months.
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[81:36]
Matt Hepner
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[81:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
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[81:51]
Matt Hepner
Also, what Rogan did for aliens. Aliens and UFOs is. Is absolutely massive.
[81:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[81:57]
Matt Hepner
Right. So.
[81:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So I don't know. It's. I hate this conversation, but you're right.
[82:01]
Matt Hepner
Well, I don't think there's anything like, once again, if you're, you know, as. As a Christian, you put your faith in Christ. You don't idolize, man.
[82:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, no, I don't have any issue with that.
[82:13]
Matt Hepner
No, I'm saying for the listener.
[82:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. I'm just saying that, like, Rogan just seemed like a guy that was like, oh, cool. He's into all this cool stuff that we're kind of all into. And now there's a platform for somebody to talk about it.
[82:23]
Matt Hepner
It's not like. But once again, it's not a leap to say, like, if you were the CIA, you'd be like, I gotta get my hands in this pie.
[82:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[82:32]
Matt Hepner
The biggest show in the world.
[82:33]
Nancy
World.
[82:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I know, but what about before? That's all I guess I'm asking is like, they got Adam after. Or did they start him from the very beginning?
[82:39]
Matt Hepner
No, I think the CIA cannot. It can't create. It can only co op. So it co op. Yeah, yeah. They can't create a thing.
[82:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And then they say, we're gonna put him on Spotify, so he can say whatever he wants. That's enough cover to be like, look, man, he can say whatever he wants, man. Nobody's got him trapped.
[82:55]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I don't know.
[82:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I thought the dude, Alex Jones, always would say stuff that, like, people got to him and then.
[83:00]
Matt Hepner
And he would say things about Rogan about that.
[83:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I thought so. And Joe Rogan was like, yeah, Alex is my guy, but he says some stuff that's not true, man. Like, he's lied about me. Like, I thought it was specifically that. That, like, I have said, you know, they got to me. Like, nobody got to me.
[83:15]
Matt Hepner
Well, here's something. This is a little bit of a deviation and maybe you'll find this interesting. We're going to watch this video and we'll talk about it. It's only 37 seconds long. If you Google, they can't hear that, Only you can. And put that on the screen.
[83:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Did you know that the CIA has their own quantum healing codes? If you Google the Gateway Intermediate workbook and click on this and scroll all the way down, they have a. Oh, my God.
[83:44]
Matt Hepner
Wait, what did that say? Whoa. I didn't know I was clicking on this. This is fascinating. What did she say? The Gateway intermediary Notebook? Is that what the fuck she said? The gate program is. Is becoming? Is that what she's talking about? Their own quantum healing codes.
[84:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
If you Google the Gateway Intermediate workbook and click on this and scroll all the way down, they have a quantum healing code right here to reduce pain signals. So it says, look with your eyes closed, that part of your body which is the source of pain signals. As you look, repeat it in your mind. The number 55515. When you do these two things, the pain signals will slowly reduce until they are no longer important. Not only that, but they have one for falling asleep if you struggle with insomnia. They have one to help you remember anything instantly. They even have one to charge your body for great strength and speed.
[84:30]
Matt Hepner
Now, I know this is just the
[84:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
tip of the iceberg, so I don't know about you guys, but I think I'm going to be busy for a while. Did you know that the se. That's funny.
[84:37]
Matt Hepner
I don't like that. What do you think about that?
[84:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know. I got sidetracked. If you play the thing right? Well, yeah, because Idaho. Herman is saying, put salt in your coffee. It takes good. That means you're drinking gross coffee, bro. That's your dream.
[84:49]
Matt Hepner
Why are you reading it? You read the chat?
[84:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, it was right there in my line of vision. It was in my periphery. Yeah, but you watching the videoing? No, I was watching Touching the Quantum Healing, but my periph caught that. And it's only if you have really bad, bitter coffee that you would add salt to it. If you start off with good coffee, you don't have to add salt to it, bro. Like you need specialty grade coffee. There's a scoring system on coffee 80 and above, especially grade.
[85:10]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[85:10]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
79 and below is commodity grade. That's like all the cheap crap that you have in. And that's stuff that all has poison on it, too, man. If you're drinking from Folgers or any of the chain shops, you have to drink good coffee. But back to this chick, because I was doing the two things at once. I put.
[85:23]
Matt Hepner
Promise.
[85:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't like these quantum qi codes
[85:26]
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[85:27]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't like it.
[85:28]
Nancy
From the. The Monroe Institute. Right.
[85:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't like it because I just heard her saying, if you say 555, you're gonna get healed. I'm like, I don't like it. I don't like it.
[85:36]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Yeah. So it's from the Gates program, the Monroe Institute.
[85:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Bill Gates? No, different Gates. Okay.
[85:44]
Matt Hepner
Different gates. And it's basically somebody in the chat said it, it's. It's illegally entering the spiritual realm. Right? That's. That's pretty much what you're doing. Doing. You're opening yourself up to a bunch of different entities and such. This is where you get things like the binaural beats that. You know, do the hemi syncing and all this.
[86:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't like it.
[86:02]
Matt Hepner
This is everything that we warn against. I had no idea that I was clicking on that. That's very fascinating.
[86:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Can I just say another thing real quick? And I'm not even going to look towards the chat just so.
[86:11]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[86:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, yeah, sure. If you're drinking coffee with an organic label on it.
[86:16]
Matt Hepner
Dude, it's not.
[86:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's trash, bro. Like, coffee comes from third world nations. They're not buying pesticide. Like coffee couldn't exist at the equator if you need like insecticide to keep it alive, okay? Just full of insects. It would have just ate it alive for centuries. And people in third world nations aren't organic because it's cool. They use organic farming and natural permaculture, agriculture, agroforestry methods because it's the best way to grow stuff. Right? It's only American businesses that go and start praying, spraying poisons and stuff. So, like, all of our coffees are organic because we buy from small Holder farms. All our roasters are small. They buy from small Holder farms that don't have the money to buy all the American fertilizer and all the crap they don't need. Need it. Okay, but they're never going to pay for some organization to come in and give them. The organization.
[86:58]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah.
[86:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The stamp is trash.
[87:00]
Matt Hepner
Well, it seems like a. Yeah, I don't know.
[87:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know why Idaho Hermit won't buy coffee from us direct. Dude, I don't understand.
[87:07]
Matt Hepner
Because we don't have any specific NDS blends. That's. That's a problem.
[87:11]
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[87:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
12 months.
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[87:38]
Matt Hepner
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[87:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All we need is the artwork.
[87:58]
Matt Hepner
No, we. Well, also, we need to taste it and decide which ones we wanna. We wanna put out there.
[88:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay.
[88:03]
Matt Hepner
So.
[88:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Man, I'm just gonna look this way.
[88:06]
Matt Hepner
No, I. I like how passionate you are about coffee.
[88:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, no, I mean, it's your coffee. Yeah. Imagine like wine has 400 tasty notes. Coffee has over a thousand. Imagine adding, like, cream and sugar to wine. How many. How many.
[88:18]
Matt Hepner
How many tasty notes does whiskey have? I don't know about that.
[88:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm not sure.
[88:22]
Matt Hepner
All right.
[88:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But probably a lot. But. But again, you got it in a barrel. You're adding something to it. Coffee's a fruit. It's like a whole natural thing.
[88:28]
Matt Hepner
Dude, Nancy. Actually, I don't want to out her. Never mind. I'm not gonna say anything. So check this out.
[88:34]
Nancy
Say it.
[88:35]
Matt Hepner
No, I don't want to say it. It's about this. Can I say it?
[88:38]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Say it, don't spray it. I want the news, not the weather.
[88:40]
Nancy
Oh, yeah, yeah, you can say it. I don't care.
[88:42]
Matt Hepner
Okay, so. So this here says, come and join me and Lou Elizondo live in Las Vegas, June 2nd. The event is going to be. Fire Daddy. Timothy Alvarino is going to be doing a live event at Wise Guys. That's very funny. In Las Vegas. And Nancy's actually going to be there. We've sent her to assassinate Daddy.
[89:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That just feels weird. I don't even want to.
[89:04]
Nancy
I'm not calling him Daddy, by the way.
[89:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You know you're going to it, though,
[89:08]
Matt Hepner
as long as you kill him. No.
[89:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Is she going to it?
[89:15]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Yeah, I think we're gonna send her some.
[89:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Do you think she has the same powers as Mantis from Guardians? Oh.
[89:21]
Matt Hepner
Where if she touches. If she touches Daddy, she'll feel all his pain and suffering.
[89:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. And just like, you know those powers she has.
[89:29]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[89:29]
Nancy
I only have general admission, so I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get close enough.
[89:34]
Matt Hepner
It's that wise guys like you'll pretty much be able to.
[89:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I heard Jesse from Biblical Hitman's gonna be at the event, too.
[89:39]
Matt Hepner
Is that true?
[89:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I think so.
[89:41]
Matt Hepner
Oh, you just read that on the screen. Why did you do that?
[89:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm literally faced this way.
[89:44]
Matt Hepner
You read it? Why'd you do that? Yeah. Say hello. Well, what do you think about that? What do you think about the idea that.
[89:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know. All I can think of is the picture. You Made.
[89:56]
Matt Hepner
Isn't it. Isn't it funny, though? Because we. We managed to. To kind of nail exactly what he was doing as far as him wanting to pos. That's not. It's fine. Whatever, dude. It's not bad, all right? Daddy's not a bad guy.
[90:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's not.
[90:15]
Matt Hepner
Just because he left and he never came back, he doesn't respond to. To our. Our tweets now, even though I called him and I apologize graciously.
[90:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Wait, because now they're not mean.
[90:25]
Matt Hepner
Oh, well, yeah, yeah. So if. I bet you. If they were mean.
[90:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Wait, now that you're, like, saying nice stuff. He doesn't respond.
[90:31]
Matt Hepner
I don't know. Occasionally. I don't really make a lot of effort to say anything for you.
[90:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But humanity, though. It's like you respond to the mean stuff.
[90:36]
Matt Hepner
That is how it goes. But what I mean, it does seem like we nailed his intentions. Right? I said we all said it. That it looked as though he was trying to position himself so that he can be Christianity disclosure guy alongside the
[90:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
guy that can go on the acceptable, like, TV shows. It did sort of feel like he wanted to position himself and speak in a way to where, like, he would be the guy that would go on Tucker to talk about it. He'd be the guy on Fox News to talk. Talk about it, which it feels like it's going that way for him. It feels like he's, you know, so whether that's a good or a bad thing, time will tell.
[91:08]
Matt Hepner
It's very funny, though. I. I understand now a lot more why he was so upset and distraught about the entire interaction. Because we. We. It was like a bullseye. It was like there was just two dudes on the Internet saying the thing that was obvious, saying exactly what it
[91:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
was, adding in a lot of mean, nasty, nasty stuff. You made a thing of them making out. Right.
[91:33]
Matt Hepner
You took it down, and I apologize about that.
[91:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Top did a lot of mean fighting stuff, but I don't know if Top was too mean.
[91:39]
Matt Hepner
I think he called him a.
[91:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But it's okay. But I'm just saying it's like, in the end, you guys did have an interesting take on it.
[91:49]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[91:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Dare I say, nailed it. It would have been great for further discussion, which, you know, it seems like the way things are going, he'll be.
[91:56]
Matt Hepner
Be back. Oh, yeah, yeah.
[91:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It feels like he'll be back on the show.
[92:00]
Matt Hepner
Oh, Timothy Albero on this show. I, you know, I just don't know what I would talk to him about.
[92:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, wouldn't you talk About.
[92:06]
Matt Hepner
I mean, not that. So. Okay, here's the issue with it. And this isn't even supposed to be. This isn't a dig or anything like that, but it's become very clear that here on this show, in a room full of just. We've managed to grab, grasp and connect all the same dots that these guys and gals, right. Annapolina, Luna, you know, Timothy Alvarino, you name them, whoever they are, they have all this insider coveted information and everything they've said leaves us on this show going, huh?
[92:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, we already said that. Yeah.
[92:41]
Matt Hepner
And it's not. Not me. People have been saying this long before me, but, like, we've connected those dots. It's all fine. You're not adding anything to the conversation except for making it boring. So why would I have a conversation with a guy who's going to come on and talk about all the. That we talk about every episode anyway, except he's gonna make it boring. Yeah.
[92:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
If he's not going to talk about ancient ruins in Peru, it's kind of like, well, all right.
[93:01]
Matt Hepner
Did you know that they fit together in such a way?
[93:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's gonna. He's gonna go to Egypt and like, use some lidar on the Great Pyramid or something.
[93:09]
Matt Hepner
Is he. He got somebody.
[93:10]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I feel like I saw something about that.
[93:12]
Matt Hepner
His caverns beneath it. Giant expansion. Yeah. Yeah.
[93:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I think he was gonna do the. The deep dive on it.
[93:18]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[93:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Mason not bringing my coconut water.
[93:20]
Matt Hepner
She doesn't give a Basin. Doesn't give a. That's something that she tells me every time you're here or you're not here. I go, how do you feel about Matt? And she goes, couldn't give it. Couldn't give a. That's definitely doesn't don't give a single about Matt or what he wants. And I.
[93:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Can you bring me a coconut water question? I go based. I'm not even texting Mason. I'm texting Brooke now.
[93:39]
Matt Hepner
Oh, there you go. So, yeah, I mean, it's. It is interesting. I said that, that like I said earlier, we managed to position ourselves right in the middle of where the Overton window shifted. So all of our.
[93:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All of our work.
[93:52]
Matt Hepner
Work, if you want to call it,
[93:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
which, I mean, I know in the beginning you guys are like, what do we do with that now? Like, everything we've been saying, now the government's saying it. What are we supposed to do now?
[93:58]
Matt Hepner
It's weird. I just did. It's almost like it in. In so many ways. And there are other people who have laid this foundation and paved the way for guys like us. That the reason that I keep referencing us is obviously because, you know, it's us. It's us. But also because I happen to think we're uniquely insulting and crass and all this other stuff.
[94:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yes.
[94:20]
Matt Hepner
And there's no reason that we should be. It's almost like somebody's playing a joke on us. And the government just was like, what if we've shifted all of the cultural conversation right over to where these guys are? And that's very funny.
[94:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It all feels like that. Like, what's your take on all that then?
[94:36]
Matt Hepner
That the research that led us here and the people who pioneered that research, it just resonated with us because it was true.
[94:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Right.
[94:47]
Matt Hepner
So I. I think it.
[94:49]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And at a certain point, they have to say what's true. It's like, hey, man, the cat's out of the bag. Like, too much now. It's gone too far. It's almost like when the people who have to decide if they're going to make a recall on cars and they have to decide, like, they're going to pay out X amount of lawsuits to people.
[95:02]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[95:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Because the car, you know, did a thing it wasn't supposed to do. If it kills X amount of people, once it goes past that, that then they're going to do the recall on the car.
[95:10]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[95:10]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's almost like that they're like, okay, enough people know this. Now we have to, like, tell everybody. Okay.
[95:15]
Matt Hepner
It's true. Yeah. It's not that we. Because we're not researchers. Like, I do very light research.
[95:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, you do a lot of research.
[95:21]
Matt Hepner
Well, when I was younger, I used to do more. When I was younger, I used to do a lot more. I used to read.
[95:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, but when you're on, like, X or YouTube or whatever, that is different. You're not just enjoyably having a good time. You're doing diligent research.
[95:32]
Matt Hepner
I wouldn't call it research. It's more like information aggregation. That's really what it is, what I'm doing. I'm not, like, reading Grimoire. Some of these guys, like, you know, Thomas the Paranoid American, that's a researcher, you know, this guy used to do shows. Juan Ayala used to read, like, Grimoires on alchemy so that he could understand, like, what these alchemists were doing. That's research. That's not what I do. What we have, I think is, like, discernment. Are you having. You okay?
[95:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I got a call and asking to bring me a Coke.
[95:56]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[95:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I feel terrible. Bro.
[95:57]
Matt Hepner
No, that's fine.
[95:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Is just like you. Do you want anything? That's why I was asking a question.
[96:01]
Matt Hepner
Cola?
[96:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, Coconut water.
[96:04]
Matt Hepner
I like that. Tinfoil tiara says sounds fancy. Information aggregation.
[96:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That is a cool word. I was like, I didn't want to ask what it meant, but it just,
[96:11]
Matt Hepner
you know, just aggregate.
[96:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You don't want anything?
[96:15]
Matt Hepner
Dude, I'm crushing.
[96:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Can. Will you bring me a coconut water? If you care.
[96:19]
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[96:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Who is this?
[96:21]
Matt Hepner
She didn't even sound. Yeah. Oh, so funny.
[96:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's me best friend. Okay. Why were you not answering my text? No, no, it's all good. It's all good. If you read me a coconut water, I'll be so grateful and I appreciate it a lot. Yeah.
[96:34]
Matt Hepner
Austin Picard is a researcher. That's a great. A great example. Austin Picard is a huge researcher. I'm not a researcher. I think what me and Top have is discernment. You know, Top's ability to look at an individual and understand like really where their weaknesses are and why they.
[96:49]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, yeah.
[96:50]
Matt Hepner
Like he has a laser sharp vision for that. I think mine is the ability to kind of see where, where things are going. Like the whole, you know, Albarino thing or whatever. But that's all we did. We just saw. I used to have these conversations with my wife about two years ago.
[97:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Thank you, maybe. No, I appreciate it a lot.
[97:07]
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[97:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
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[97:34]
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[97:54]
Matt Hepner
Maybe two and a half years ago where I was saying a lot of things on the Internet. Choice words here and there, you know. Oh, here we go. By the way, I think we have two super chats that we never got to. I got to play the Japanese music for Nancy and then she's got to read these. Give me one second here.
[98:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I needed that.
[98:14]
Matt Hepner
Nancy, can you go ahead and. Why can't I. There we go.
[98:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, I was explaining to somebody. Hold on.
[98:19]
Matt Hepner
Wait a second, wait a second. Nancy's got to do the Ching Chung. Oh.
[98:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, yeah. She waits, like, 15 minutes. I forgot.
[98:28]
Matt Hepner
Annie, you can. You can do it. You can do it, Nance. You can just. You just got to start it up. Just got to start saying it. Come on.
[98:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Come on, Nancy, read the. Read the. I eat pork. Tara Jackson, 420. Why is she doing this?
[98:49]
Matt Hepner
Okay, so it says. What does it say here?
[98:52]
Nancy
I love you, Danny Dave. I love you, Danny Dave, Matt and Nancy, in this. In this community of brothers and sisters, with all of my heart, God bless you all. In Jesus's name, amen.
[99:11]
Matt Hepner
Okay, we got another one.
[99:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What is that noise?
[99:15]
Matt Hepner
The Nancy noise. Nancy, gotta read the other. Super chat.
[99:19]
Nancy
Where is it?
[99:20]
Matt Hepner
It's in the. It says starred. It's where if you click on the starred once. It's in there.
[99:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Does she smoke Reaver?
[99:26]
Matt Hepner
I don't know, man.
[99:27]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No. It seems like it, though, doesn't it?
[99:29]
Nancy
I have allergies.
[99:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, okay. That makes sense.
[99:31]
Matt Hepner
Allergies. Okay. Are you gonna read the. The other one?
[99:41]
Nancy
Straight Bible has been helping me get back and teaching my kiddos about the book of Jude and why we stopped going to the 501C3 system. Thank you, Matt. We love you.
[99:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Same.
[99:53]
Matt Hepner
Thank you, Nancy. That was wonderful. You did a great job. You can go back to boiling.
[99:58]
Guest Speaker
No, no, no.
[99:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Read this one, Nancy. No, there's another one.
[100:00]
Matt Hepner
No, that's not a. That's not a. A paid one. She only reads the ones that.
[100:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It says two walks, doesn't it?
[100:05]
Matt Hepner
Wait, Am I did it right?
[100:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Really?
[100:06]
Matt Hepner
No, I don't. I don't see anything. Oh, yep, there's another one. Okay, here. Wait, wait, wait. Nancy, don't do it yet. Let me give you the. Let me give you the noise.
[100:17]
Guest Speaker
Hold on.
[100:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That goes hard.
[100:18]
Matt Hepner
I have to wait till it starts over because it's stream yard.
[100:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Don't.
[100:21]
Matt Hepner
Don't do it yet.
[100:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Kung Fu Panda, too.
[100:32]
Matt Hepner
Okay, Nance.
[100:34]
Nancy
Nancy, Will you marry me? Love, Q. Bert.
[100:38]
Matt Hepner
Oh.
[100:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What's your answer, Nance?
[100:41]
Nancy
No.
[100:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You don't even know the guy.
[100:45]
Matt Hepner
That's fair.
[100:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You're not gonna give him a shot?
[100:50]
Nancy
No.
[100:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What?
[100:51]
Matt Hepner
Thank you, Nancy. All right, so let's get back to it. What the hell was I. I was.
[100:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We were talking about Top and his ability to assess people and specifically how he can do law like he would. Like I was telling Jess, like, he would never lose in a courtroom if he was a lawyer. Like, if he would have went the
[101:06]
Matt Hepner
route, I think he would get thrown
[101:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
out for maybe that. An appeal. An appeal he would never lose. Yeah. And so I gave an example. I said, top is like this. Top is like this. I would. I would say, top, you're an employee. And he'd go, I'm not your employee, Matt. And I would say, top. Did you just get the employee discount when you just bought your drink? Yeah, and then he'd go like that. And I go, you just. You just use the employee discount. You get your drink. You're an employee. Employee. Like, he always finds, like, did you just walk in the back where only employees go, you're an employee. Like, that's how Top, like, walks through stuff. And I'll do this big grass like this. Oh, another.
[101:41]
Matt Hepner
We got. We got another one. Nancy, be prepared to read.
[101:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What?
[101:49]
Nancy
Matt, will you have my baby?
[101:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Nancy? Don't talk to me like that.
[101:54]
Matt Hepner
Matt.
[101:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Same person.
[101:57]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. It's a man.
[101:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Does he not know how babies?
[102:01]
Matt Hepner
I mean, it's a simple way.
[102:02]
Nancy
Are you not going to give him a chance, Nancy?
[102:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You good, girl?
[102:07]
Matt Hepner
You feel good? You good?
[102:10]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Long time. The answer is no. I don't like it.
[102:14]
Matt Hepner
All right, fine. That's fine. But yeah. So I just think we've been able to see where this whole thing is going in a pretty fun way. Way. And, you know, I'm learning now. I'm in this season where I'm. I'm learning to enjoy this a little bit more because I have been really skeptical, right? When the stripper from Florida says, you got to read the book of Enoch, and this is about fallen angels.
[102:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's weird, right? Yeah, because how long did people say, oh, book of Enoch. Book of Enoch. Like, we've loved the book of Enoch for, like, a long time, right? And then all of a sudden, like, normal people are saying, read the book of Enoch. That is kind of intriguing.
[102:45]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Yeah. So. So instead of being hyper skeptical about it, I'm just happy having fun, which I think is. Is a reasonable thing to do.
[102:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, what do you think the 501C3 system does now,
[102:56]
Matt Hepner
Nancy?
[102:58]
Nancy
Cree wants to make sure, you know, he's a man.
[103:04]
Matt Hepner
Cree is a different man. Who. All right, Cree.
[103:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All right. Thanks, bro.
[103:09]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, dude.
[103:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Man.
[103:11]
Matt Hepner
Big, big props for having a penis.
[103:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's a man.
[103:14]
Matt Hepner
He's a man's man, man.
[103:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Not.
[103:16]
Matt Hepner
Not in a gay way.
[103:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's a man among men.
[103:19]
Matt Hepner
He's a manimal. Oh, okay, hold on a second. We're gonna wrap this up soon, but this keeps happening.
[103:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So what? Let's keep going. Dude. They're having fun, man.
[103:30]
Nancy
They like your face, Pat.
[103:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Who does?
[103:35]
Nancy
Marguerite.
[103:35]
Matt Hepner
Oh, Marguerite. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. Thank you.
[103:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know what to make of any of these comments.
[103:44]
Matt Hepner
That's nice. Just like Margarita is a homie maybe.
[103:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Then the next thing they say is, will you get a baby with me? You know, it's like, what do I, you know how to react now?
[103:53]
Matt Hepner
Want to go get a baby with me? Yeah, I guess you're right. You know, kind of throw you for a little bit of a loop there.
[103:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know what they're really up to in the chat. Dude, you got to be careful to respond.
[104:02]
Matt Hepner
What is the. What is the 501C3 system going to do next?
[104:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, like, what if this is what's happening, happening? So it's been like the big beef, right? Is that like in the world even you had CNN and the Fox News and the CNBC and the abc, the cbs.
[104:17]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[104:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But then all of a sudden there was a real way to get news through podcasters, right? Okay, well, the 501C3 system hasn't pivoted. They're literally still doing the like pre 2020stuff of the CNN model and the Fox News model. And they haven't pitted, pivoted to something real. But now, like, it's just, just like, what do they do next? What do they do with. Like, now aliens are talked about in the news. Like, what, like, what do they say? Do they just say, no, there's no such thing? No, the Bible doesn't talk about aliens. Do they just keep doing this? Do they just pretend like none of this is happening and just keep doing business as usual? Do they, like, what do they do now?
[104:51]
Matt Hepner
There's a dude on X who is. Is, you know, as far as like a simplistic Christ centric view that doesn't include all this extra wild, which I don't think there's anything wrong with. He's kind of grandma maxing in that way, right? Where he's just focusing on Scripture and he looks at this whole. And he goes, UFOs are fake. None of this is real. You know, you people are idiots, basically. I'm paraphrasing. I forget what his. What his name is, but I'm going, okay, man, like, that's fine, but they're gonna show you something, right? And I'm not saying that that something is going to be real. I'm not sure. He's never making an additional point. He's. He tweets a lot about it and I see a lot of people in his comments like, yeah, this is all stupid. And, and it's nothing. And it's not real. And I'm like, guys, if that's your understanding of this phenomenon, then what are
[105:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
you going to do when they show you the thing?
[105:42]
Matt Hepner
Right, right. And I would agree with you, like, it's not real, not in the way that they're presenting it. And it's also not outside of scripture. Right. Like this is. This can all be grounded in scripture. But you're gonna have a real problem if you just go, like, that's not real. It's like, what? Okay, you got to have some explanation for when they wheel out, you know, some ghoul and they go, this is, you know, Zenu or whatever, and he's been visiting.
[106:10]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, here's a dinosaur, here's a insect. And then here's like the blonde one.
[106:18]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[106:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What do you guys want to do? Now?
[106:20]
Matt Hepner
That's going to be a problem.
[106:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Which is intriguing because sometimes people get mad if they say, like, the church is talking about politics. Politics. And then some people are mad the church isn't talking about politics. And it's this weird thing because imagine, like, is there anything that's off limits to Jesus to talk about? Like, he's. There's no. I can't imagine any topic where Jesus is like, I'm not touching that. He's touching every topic.
[106:40]
Matt Hepner
Well, we have a super chat.
[106:43]
Nancy
Hi, Nancy. Hi, Scott.
[106:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, I do want to see.
[106:46]
Matt Hepner
Oh, hi, Scott. Scott never says hello to us. Just, hi, Nancy. Hi, Nancy. Hi, Nancy.
[106:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Nancy.
[106:52]
Matt Hepner
You Scott?
[106:54]
Nancy
No, we love Scott.
[106:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, so there is love in the air. Nancy.
[107:02]
Nancy
What?
[107:03]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, you and Scott. I did what Elohim says. Anybody watched Begonia yet? I did watch it. I finished it last night. It took me like three days to finish it. And. Fascinating. I don't know if, If I should spoil it, but yeah, I guess I'll spoil it. The whole movie is about kind of a traumatized conspiracy theorist who is a bit of a country bumpkin who thinks that some of the elites are actually aliens. And he manages to kidnap one of them and immediately puts this lady through the rigor. Like she's. She's a girl boss and she's like a high level CEO in some.
[107:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
She's an alien.
[107:44]
Matt Hepner
Well, you know, thinks she is. He thinks she is. And he shaves her head and he. And he covers her in some sort of a cream that keeps her from being able to conduct electricity or some with her skin. And he ties her up in the basement and. And she's got to try to navigate this, you know, like she's got to try to. She realizes, like, he's not going to believe her. So she starts trying to, like, speak his language. Like, okay, I am.
[108:08]
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[108:35]
Matt Hepner
You know, from the Andromeda, I'm an Andromedan or whatever, and. And she plays ball for a long time and up it ends. Actually, you know, it's. I don't know if any of it's funny. It's up like the dude's brother is. But, like, not in a cool sense. Like, he's actually. You find out he was, like, molested as a kid and his mom died and his dad walked out on him. So, like, this dude's all screwed up and he goes to conspiracies and. Go ahead and skip ahead if you don't want me to say or you don't want to have this spoiled for you. But in the end, she is from the Andromedas or she is an Andromeda. Oh, we have another super chat here. Hold on. Do I have to make the noise?
[109:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Dude, once the money starts flowing, they don't want to stop. Well, I think this happens in the 501C3, though, bro. I think there's, like, donations, and the guy at the front is like, bring your money up here and I'll pray for you. And once, you know, a couple people start doing it, then more people start doing it, then a couple more do it.
[109:30]
Matt Hepner
All right, well, I'm gonna make the sound now.
[109:36]
Nancy
Sparrow says we all love Scott.
[109:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We all love Sparrow.
[109:42]
Nancy
We love Sparrow, too.
[109:44]
Matt Hepner
All right, if that's how you guys feel, I'll allow it. Oh, good job. You muted the. The spoiling. Good move, Sir Duncan. Sir Duncan the tall. That was a great, great, great show, by the way. All right, well.
[110:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No. What? You running out of gas right now? What's happening?
[110:02]
Matt Hepner
I don't have anything left to talk about. I've got nothing. Nothing left that's good to contribute.
[110:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Mel Gibson movie you said you were gonna talk about.
[110:09]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I guess we can talk about the Mel Gibson.
[110:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I mean, if you're getting tired.
[110:12]
Matt Hepner
No, I'm not tired. I just know when I don't have anything left to contribute and I'm just beating a horse to death, I'll talk. All right. Go ahead. Uninterrupted. I'm not gonna say anything for the next 20 minutes.
[110:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, no, you got to tell me what they're doing in the
[110:24]
Matt Hepner
Passion of the Christ too.
[110:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, these guys say climb into a furnace. What's wrong with this guy?
[110:29]
Matt Hepner
What happened?
[110:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I didn't see what he said, but he's sending money. I know. Don't kind of like it, though.
[110:32]
Matt Hepner
It's kind of trying to find Mel Gibson. Talking about. Okay, here we go.
[110:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay. You said it's gonna be the next part, like it's gonna be the resurrection, Right? Like. Like this. The first one was the Passion of the Christ. Me and Jess watched it when we were like, first together. It was like in the movies. And I cried in the movies, even though I wasn't like, Walking with God. But it was just like a rad movie.
[110:51]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[110:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And then he cried. Yeah. So now he's gonna be resurrected. Is he gonna show him, like, go into the place of the dead?
[111:00]
Matt Hepner
Let's see. It says, Mel Gibson has unveiled the first look at the resurrection direction of Christ. Of the Christ. The director's long delayed follow up to 2004.
[111:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[111:09]
Matt Hepner
Passion of the Christ man. 22 years later. Huh? Or by this time it'll be 23 years later. Part one has been postponed just a few months. Okay, so it's part one.
[111:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Whoa. He's gonna have like a couple of them.
[111:21]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. So with plans to debut May 6, 2027, part two was bumped up a year from May 6, 2027 to May 25, 20, 2028. So a year later, it'll come out. This is one of the first images.
[111:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
My dad loved him as an actor when I was a little kid. Dude.
[111:38]
Matt Hepner
Who, Jimmy Savile?
[111:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, I mean Jimmy Cavill. Oh, I don't know who the. Oh, the guy that plays Jesus.
[111:46]
Matt Hepner
By the way, the guy who plays
[111:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Jesus put 20 years on.
[111:50]
Matt Hepner
He is a little bit creepy. He's like a little QAnon adjacent. And he. He did like, the Sound of Freedom. And it was all about, like, the trafficking of children, which sounds great to bring awareness to. To it. But the timing was weird.
[112:01]
Nancy
I've seen him greet his fans. Like he showed up at a movie theater and he was.
[112:07]
Matt Hepner
It was weird.
[112:08]
Nancy
He was acting like Jesus, like, touching people, all weird.
[112:11]
Matt Hepner
I don't like that. Yeah, I gotta find that for you.
[112:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, he wouldn't do that.
[112:15]
Matt Hepner
Jason Statham is gonna be Jesus. Elohim says so. So somebody said something. I don't know if it was Mel Gibson or whatever. There's a famous line from, you know, one of the first interviews post the Passion of the Christ back in 2004, where somebody said that Jimmy Caviezel, whatever the his name is, was so Christ, like that it turned somebody. I forget who it was, into a believer. Like, after that, they became compelled and I'm like, that's weird.
[112:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. What, so that, like, playing the part of an actor, right? Like, gets people saved. I don't know. That seems. Well, that, you know, I mean, that is the concept behind the 501C3, right? Is that. That, like, it's acting. You know, you do a show and then maybe people, because you always struggle with that, that you're like, how do they take this real ass thing?
[113:05]
Matt Hepner
And they make it so gay.
[113:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. They do this acting that just, like, doesn't work.
[113:09]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. I'm realizing that I don't have, you know, So I think it was kind of only a matter of time until I stopped going to the church. Shortly after I started going to the church. And it's kind of because I've shucked off every institution my entire entire life. Same like, I. I dropped out of high school very early, the second that I was old enough to start being able to like, escape the school. And I, like, that was pretty much it. It was a wrap from there on out. I stopped going. And that's why they. They ended up kicking me out. I've been. So when I was a kid, they diagnosed me with odd. Do you know what that is? I think it's. But it. But it's an interesting. Yeah, it is.
[113:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You mean add?
[113:48]
Matt Hepner
Well, adhd and odd. And ODD is.
[113:51]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Is like they're messing with you. They're like, this one's odd.
[113:54]
Matt Hepner
What the was it like, oppositional? What the is ODD again? Something that have to do with. With.
[114:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Beef with authority.
[114:02]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is not.
[114:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
People say that about me too.
[114:05]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah. A disorder diagnosis here. Odd. Oppositional defiant disorder. And it was this idea that I had a problem with authority figures, which is like, show me a kid that doesn't.
[114:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Jesus yoke is easy and his burden is light, dude. So like that he's my authority.
[114:21]
Matt Hepner
Overly obese. You so.
[114:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, don't say that. So, like, I don't know. When other things and systems try to, like, play up on. You're like, no, no, I'm resistant.
[114:31]
Matt Hepner
Exactly.
[114:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Not into that.
[114:32]
Matt Hepner
And so it's not like that's what the church tried to do to me, but I did. Like, I just looked at it because I guess I look at the flaw in all these things. Like, I had a real issue with public school for obvious reasons, but as soon as I got in the church, I tried to stave it off for as long as I could and I would keep it to myself. But once that damn broke of me talking to my wife and it was. It was just like tongues again.
[114:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So are you going or not?
[114:53]
Matt Hepner
I haven't been back in ever since the clown. What? The clown thing.
[114:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I was like, go to a different one, dude.
[115:01]
Matt Hepner
Maybe or.
[115:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You said a lot of reasons of why you like it and why it's good if you like it and it's good. Just pick a different one, dude.
[115:08]
Matt Hepner
Well, I guess what I found.
[115:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Jump around. They say that's bad. They call it like church hopping. But when we.
[115:12]
Matt Hepner
What's wrong with that?
[115:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know. We used to jump around at churches and I thought it was fun. Dude, that was like, oh, cool. Whole different group of people, whole different vibe. Like a whole different thing. Then we go to a different one. The next we like, oh, this one's cool, man. We talk to some people in the lobby over here.
[115:25]
Matt Hepner
Well, so I. I'm going to. I. This. This guy is really cool. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go ahead and give him a shout out. His name is. Give me one second here. Nelson Pin Pinto. And Nelson Pinto is a martial artist who's worked with everybody at like the highest levels. And I think he also trains like the special forces and a bunch of other. He happens to live like a couple of doors down from me. So I got into a conversation with him and we're gonna start training, which is just like pad work and like that.
[116:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's great.
[116:03]
Matt Hepner
But his opening slot is like 9am on Sunday mornings. And I'm like, take it. Yeah, like, I'd rather wait.
[116:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
How much is he perfect per month? Not a lot. He says, like, what do you mean by that?
[116:12]
Matt Hepner
Like 15 per visit.
[116:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What? Because Aiden just started going to a kickboxing jiu jitsu place, but it's like 200 in Leesburg, where it's like 200amonth.
[116:20]
Matt Hepner
Number one, the reviews on that place suck ass. And number two, that's like super far. It's like 40 minutes right from where he is.
[116:27]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I know he's been liking it. Wait, that thing has bad reviews?
[116:29]
Matt Hepner
It's fine. Look, whatever. Sometimes places get bad reviews. I don't know. But I was gonna go to that place and I started reading the reviews
[116:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
and I was like, 200amonth.
[116:36]
Matt Hepner
200amonth. That Was also the reason I'm like, no, that I'm not doing 200amonth. I've been to place.
[116:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Where does this guy do it at? In his garage.
[116:42]
Matt Hepner
There's a giant oak tree.
[116:44]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[116:44]
Matt Hepner
In my complex under the oak tree.
[116:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Learned boxing from a guy that would just do it in the gym, bro. He was like, as long as we have mirrors and pads.
[116:51]
Matt Hepner
He basically said he's like, it's not for the money because he works for. I'm gonna out this guy so much. I don't know if I can say.
[116:57]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Nobody's gonna know. I'm sure I can chats from around here.
[116:59]
Matt Hepner
I'm sure I could now. So where he. He works for like Lockheed. So he's like, he's good.
[117:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[117:03]
Matt Hepner
He's like, yeah, 15 bucks. I'm just doing it for the love of the game. Like I love Martin martial arts, but
[117:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
he also does what Martial art again.
[117:10]
Matt Hepner
So for he does a bunch of stuff. Filipino boxing. He does like knife fighting and all kinds of. So he's got like all these dummy knives and like I've never done knife fighting stuff.
[117:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Cameron's into that. My son in law, Cameron loves fencing. Dude.
[117:21]
Matt Hepner
With like.
[117:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And it's all kinds.
[117:22]
Matt Hepner
This is like all close combat. Like he's got fake guns and fake knives. And I'm like, I used to think that was kind of hokey, but like I moved around with this guy a little bit and I was like this moot. Like this is a guy. Guy who definitely 100% knows how to fight. And so I'm like, all right, maybe we do knife fighting.
[117:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Try it, bro.
[117:40]
Matt Hepner
Maybe. But I told him in the beginning, I'm like, I just want to do some pad work, Muay Thai, just to limber up my body.
[117:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Movement.
[117:46]
Matt Hepner
I'm not gonna start. It's so weird when you talk to martial arts guys though, because when you're like, like they start showing you stuff, he's like, oh, so we do this. And he's like grabbing the out of me and he's like a little dude, but he's like jacked as and he's just. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's cool, dude. He's just happy he's me up basically. And he's like, yeah, so we do a little bit of this.
[118:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And I'm like, oh, give me a minute.
[118:12]
Matt Hepner
He's Portuguese, so he's got like this really thick accent and he's just yoking me the up. What I realized too is all of my coaches have been Smart. Smaller than me.
[118:21]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Really?
[118:21]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Little dudes, like.
[118:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, well, maybe they're like, yo, I gotta get into this because I'm a little guy. I don't want to get picked up
[118:27]
Matt Hepner
being fantastic because what. What really matters is they're technique.
[118:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[118:30]
Matt Hepner
So they end up developing really fantastic technique.
[118:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, okay, back to Mel Gibson.
[118:36]
Matt Hepner
Oh, now we have a. Where's the Japanese music? Do I have it pulled up? Give me one second. So, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna end up doing that instead of church. Oh, wait, where is it? Nancy?
[118:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, no, if. If you. Yeah, if you don't keep her going for like back to back, she just gets lost in the sauce, dude. And by the sauce, I mean like that yummy, yummy sauce.
[119:15]
Nancy
Choose this day who you serve? There is no middle ground People on the sidelines burned too.
[119:23]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So that's scripture and not scripture. Scripture and some commentary.
[119:27]
Matt Hepner
Was this really menacing. Choose this day who do you serve? There is no middle ground. People on the sideline. Oh, people on the sidelines burn too. Who are we talking to? We were talking to Dr. Heather Lynn where she used to talk about. Oh, thank you. Seven minutes of freedom. So Dr. Heather Lynn studied like the Anunnaki and all this other stuff and, you know, came to a lot of really fast, fascinating ideas. And she would study the occult and she said basically by virtue of studying it and her work being good, she would get reached out to by a bunch of occultists and like that. And she thought that was, you know, I guess kind of makes sense. But then people in government started reaching out to her and she was like, what the is going on? And eventually she was like, I'm. I'm just sitting on the fence observing. And then one day something happened and she realized somebody said something to her. Satan owns the fence. And so she was like, oh. And you know, she's not being offensive.
[120:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I mean, that's. That's that whole passage. And when Jesus rebukes the Laodicean church, man, he said, you guys are neither hot nor cold. I'm spitting out of my mouth. I got no business with you.
[120:29]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, dude. Yeah. I think being a fence sitter is.
[120:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. What do you mean? You believe the story of Christ is true and you're just going to sit back and chill, Right? Like. Like, what do you mean it doesn't totally affect you and put you on fire for him Right. Then you don't. You probably don't believe it then.
[120:42]
Matt Hepner
That was.
[120:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You're just chilling.
[120:43]
Matt Hepner
See, that's what my thing early on was like, well, I guess I kind of did sit on the fence because it wasn't like that. I immediately galvanized to Christianity. It was just like I knew that there was objective good because I could see that there was objective evil and that it happened to be inherently satanic looking the symbols were inherently satanic and Luciferian and all that other. It's kind of very embarrassing through that lens that it took me as long as it did to come to Christ because I always believed, looking at these conspiracies that like, yeah, there was a satanic Luciferian agenda. And the reason that I've identified it as such is because they leave all of their symbolism everywhere. And so I knew that there was an opposition to that, but I wasn't so ready to define it as. As Jesus Christ, even though the other side was so clearly defining itself as satanic. Very kind of stupid. Now that I. That I look at it through that lens.
[121:37]
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[122:05]
Matt Hepner
So here we have a little bit of an article on this. Maybe it'll give us some information on what the next movie is going to be like.
[122:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Can I just say a thing real quick? Back to the Mel Gibson thing.
[122:15]
Matt Hepner
This is the Mel Gibson thing, but go ahead.
[122:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, when he ascended up on high. Remember, Jesus ascended at the end of where Luke finishes up and then where Acts begins. He's on the earth. He's. He's died. He's gone in the grave. Three days, three nights, comes out, walks around talking to people for 40 days about things pertaining to the kingdom of God and then ascends. Right? But so it says, wherefore he when he ascended up on high. When he ascended, he led captivity. Captive and gave gifts unto men. This is Ephesians 4. Now we're in verse 9. Now, that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended? Ascended first into the lower parts of the earth.
[122:58]
Matt Hepner
Right.
[122:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things. So if melting all heavens above everything, bro.
[123:08]
Matt Hepner
Well, it's just to say all heavens. Yeah, because people get into this idea of like second heaven and such.
[123:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Third Heaven. I mean the Bible talks about the third heaven.
[123:15]
Matt Hepner
That's fascinating.
[123:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So I mean, it stands to reason that there's a second. It doesn't even stand a reason. There has to be a second if there's a third. But it doesn't really say beyond the third. But it definitely, definitely says third. But all I'm saying is if Mel Gibson now with like the AI or whatever the technology is to like do rad stuff on movies shows Jesus going into the lower parts of the earth.
[123:32]
Matt Hepner
Well, let's see, maybe it'll say this. Mel Gibson has unveiled. I don't have to bring this up, I'll just read it. Mel Gibson has unveiled the first look at the resurrection of the Christ. The director is long laid, yada yada. We saw all that filming. The two part epic has officially wrapped with production concluding ahead of schedule after shooting for 134 days across Italy. Race, Rome, Bari, Genosa, Krako. Krako, Brindisi and Matera. I don't know any of those places. But Gibson giveth and Gibson taketh away. What the does that mean? Along with the sneak peek of the resurrection of the Christ, the filmmaker has announced the two movies have been delayed. Part one. Yeah, we know all that.
[124:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What's it about?
[124:13]
Matt Hepner
Both movies will land on Ascension Day. Oh, that's interesting. Interesting. So I guess ascension day is one day in 2027, but will be a different day in 2028. And it celebrates Jesus's. It's a Christian holiday that celebrates Jesus ascension into heaven. Gibson said he's brought the story to the screen exactly as he envisioned it. Quote, I'm deeply grateful to my incredibly talented cast and crew for pouring their hearts into this production. Together we've created something powerful, said Gibson. This film represents a major part of my life work and has demanded everything of me as a filmmaker and as an artist. This is far more than a film to me. It's a mission I've carried for over 20 years to tell what I believe is the most important story in human history. The resurrection of Christ is the follow up to the Passion of Christ. We know that. I want to know. Okay, so this is interesting. Which followed Jimmy Saviezel. Caviezel. What the ever as Jesus of Nazareth. Nazareth in the final 12 hours before the crucifixion of Jesus Christ Christ. Gibson has described the sequels as an acid trip. Adding that he never. Yeah, yeah, yeah. An acid trip.
[125:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Why would he say that?
[125:20]
Matt Hepner
Well, hold on, let's see. Adding that he, quote, never read anything like the scripts which the fill. That's interesting, because if you've read the Bible, then the script should be pretty close.
[125:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, but if he's saying like, yeah, the Bible's like an acid trip, then it's like, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I
[125:35]
Matt Hepner
don't have a problem with that.
[125:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The reality is that. That wild.
[125:37]
Matt Hepner
And I mean, if you're talking about a dude that descends into, you know, the underworld and then proclaims victory and then, you know, is resurrected and then ascends into heaven after 40 days, like,
[125:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
okay, that should be rad.
[125:48]
Matt Hepner
That's pretty wonky, right? That's pretty. That's an acid trip. So the scripts, which the filmmaker has been writing alongside Randall Wallace, the plot, as the title suggests, is expected to focus on Jesus Christ, resurrection, Jacko and Marielle, somebody else who are taking over as Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Oh, okay, so it's not going to be coming Caviezel. It's gonna be Jacko. Oh, Tony. It's just a silly name of a man. A man with a silly name and also a woman with a silly name are going to be taking over as Jesus and Mary Magdalene and will star alongside Pierre Luigi. I mean, laugh at that, Paisino. Who are these people? Doesn't matter. I just want some information on.
[126:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They're not gonna give it to you. But here's what the Bible says about this, too. It says, for Christ also hath once suffered for sins the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit, by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, where in few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure where unto even now baptism does also now save us.
[127:03]
Matt Hepner
Okay, that whole, like, I couldn't follow.
[127:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All I'm saying is, yeah, there was specific. There's something peculiar about the people that were alive in the days of Noah, that he specifically went and preached in the under the spirits in prison, which sometimes were disobedient when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah.
[127:21]
Matt Hepner
When once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah.
[127:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, he's just saying, pardon me. He gave them a long time to repent.
[127:27]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[127:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And Noah's like building a boat and saying, guys, judgment's coming. The rain's coming, coming, man. And they're like, this guy's an idiot. I think somewhere else it says, that he was a preacher of righteousness, something to the extent of 120 years. He was preaching and everybody was saying, like, bro, you're an idiot.
[127:41]
Matt Hepner
Like, that's how long he was.
[127:42]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, I'm sure they had the Internet or something like that back then, too. Like, it just seems like that. Like, they probably had technology beyond what we have. They're like, so everybody knew what Noah's doing? Maybe they didn't, maybe they didn't. Maybe it was localized. But people knew what he was doing. Right. He's doing this thing and they're going, he's an idiot. He's an idiot. Right. But then one day, rain the. Starts falling. It's like the Misty Edwards song. When the rain starts falling, it's too late.
[128:02]
Matt Hepner
It didn't rain before then. Right.
[128:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They say that way. Yeah. That there was a mist that went up. And I don't know if it started to rain after that or not, but that's a fair statement.
[128:10]
Matt Hepner
People speculate because it doesn't seem to indicate that it did.
[128:12]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Regardless, even if it did rain, they were still saying, like, it's not going to flood the whole Earth. Like, what are you talking about, bro? But there's something about those people that Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison, which sometimes were disobedient.
[128:26]
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[128:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Let's just say during the days of Noah so it doesn't get confused. Because it says when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah. But, like, he gave him a chance. Gave him a chance. And now, I don't know. There's something peculiar about the people from that time period. And I don't think he's proclaiming or preaching salvation to them. Like, it's a point of the man once. No, no, it's a point of the man wants to die. And after that, the judgments. So it would totally contradict that if he's like, oh, no, I went and preached to him and offered him salvation. I can't mean that. It can't mean that. I think it just went. I think he just went into the realm of the dead and just said, f you. Like, you guys did all this crazy stuff in the days of Noah and you thought you were Going to trap me down here in the place of the dead. I just came here to tell you, like, I'm leaving.
[129:37]
Matt Hepner
I'm gonna ask a stupid question because I just don't know. Could it not be that. That their case was unique? Could it be that hybrids. No, no. I just mean in the sense that, like, Christ hadn't come. So salvation was at that time through the law, right?
[129:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, this is pre law.
[129:57]
Matt Hepner
This is pre law. So what. What sort of salvation was available then at that time?
[130:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Every human is saved by grace through faith.
[130:03]
Matt Hepner
No, I mean back then.
[130:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Every human is saved by grace through faith. From the beginning of time, Right. Everything's wrapped up in the Messiah, like from the Garden.
[130:11]
Matt Hepner
So that's what I'm saying. Couldn't he be going? Could he. Could he be going and informing him?
[130:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Told you so? Not. Not like now? No. Because in the Garden of Eden, there's the prophecy about the snake is going to bruise his heel and he's going to crush his head. There's always this future view of the Messiah. So people before the.
[130:27]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, you can have people before the
[130:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
cross, like me and Jess used to talk about. I think it's the Big Dipper or whatever, but she called it the alien fingers, where there's, like, the three stars when you look up at the sky.
[130:36]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Orion's Bill.
[130:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. And so I used to be, like, super high on ghb, like, working out of town or whatever. She'd be in one place on the Earth, I'd be in another place on the Earth, and I'd be like, hey, girl, I'm outside looking at the alien fingers.
[130:46]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[130:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
She'd be like, are you really? I'm outside having a cigarette. I'm looking at the alien fingers, too. But we're, like, looking at the same thing on Earth, right?
[130:53]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[130:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Same thing through history. People before the cross, they looked forward to the cross. We look back at the cross, but we're looking at the same thing, dude. All humans are saved by grace, so
[131:04]
Matt Hepner
they can have faith in the coming Messiah. Yeah, okay.
[131:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. And they invite his preacher. No. Yeah.
[131:12]
Matt Hepner
He just dunked on him.
[131:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[131:14]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[131:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I think so.
[131:15]
Matt Hepner
I like that.
[131:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And I think that was his style. I mean, look how he dealt with the Pharisees. He said, y' all are white caskets, beautiful outside, and inside full of dead men's bones. It wasn't like he wasn't like that to, like, deal with people like that.
[131:25]
Matt Hepner
No.
[131:25]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All right, so I think, like, in that day, they were doing some stuff that really pissed him off. Man. And he went to them and said, dude, I told you guys, you guys should have known better. And I'm here showing you right now. Like, yeah, you think you trapped me. Your team trapped me in the place of the dead. But I just came to tell you I'm leaving. You're staying. I like that.
[131:41]
Matt Hepner
I just wasn't sure because I do like that, but I don't that way. It's a little bit like, I was like, let me see. Because, you know, even though it. It resonates and I like, it could be wrong. What did you think about that? Did you. You didn't listen to it, did you?
[131:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The episode with Ed Avery, I listened to, like, the first half, but you.
[131:57]
Matt Hepner
So basically what Ed Mabry was saying is, like, you know, he's looking. Looking at.
[132:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You guys were going hard on the ortho thing, which.
[132:03]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard all that. But so. So Ed was talking about Cain and Abel, and he's talking about the sacrifices, the offerings. Right. That. That Abel is making. And he's talking about how Ed believes at the time, they were not meat eaters because God allowed them to eat meat after the flood and that then why does Abel have all these sheep? And he thinks that Abel was, you know, sacrificing sheep to God, you know, in the same way that they're doing under the law.
[132:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Interesting.
[132:36]
Matt Hepner
And. And then he goes on to talk about how, you know, it was given unto Abel to. To, you know, have the sheep, and to Cain it was basically. He's a produce farmer. Right. More or less. And isn't that the. The. The case?
[132:49]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, yeah. There's a lot wrapped up in that, too. Like, say, so say he did bring a sacrifice to God of a sheep.
[132:54]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[132:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And it's gone. It's gone. Like, like, say if I brought bananas and nectarines and grapes as a sacrifice to God, well, my nectarine tree and my banana tree and my grape tree are going to keep producing fruit.
[133:05]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[133:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
If you kill your sheep, like, it's gone.
[133:08]
Matt Hepner
Sure, sure, sure.
[133:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
So I don't know there, like, dad, there's some finality in it.
[133:11]
Matt Hepner
Well, the idea here is that, you know, the prophecy is always there that the. The seed of the woman will crush the. The head of the serpent. But they don't know who in that line.
[133:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Right.
[133:25]
Matt Hepner
Is going to be. So he's speculating, and I enjoy this because it humanizes them. Yeah, right.
[133:30]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Speculating that what, that Eve is like,
[133:33]
Matt Hepner
yeah, my offspring are going to rectify this entire situation that took place in the Garden, Right. Could well be Cain or Abel. Yeah. Kane or Abel.
[133:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, sure.
[133:41]
Matt Hepner
But Cain is. Got plants. And so there's like this almost like a messiah complex going. Going on here. What it does is it adds such a. A greater layer to why in the hell would this guy crash out so hard when God rejects his offerings, when he's, you know, displeased with Cain's offerings? Because they're in this thing. You. You have a brother. Right?
[134:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm gonna pull it up. I'm pulling up the passage, but I think it's in Hebrews where it says that Abel brought his sacrifice by faith. That was the difference. I'm not saying that.
[134:15]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[134:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All of that can't apply. All of that can apply.
[134:18]
Matt Hepner
Right? Right. Because even let. Screw, you're not bringing it by faith. But you're still. You have this messiah complex. Your mom's telling you, like, could be you, baby boy.
[134:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Right?
[134:26]
Matt Hepner
Could be you. That redeems the entirety of humanity, saying
[134:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
like, if Kane thought if I kill him, then I'm. Then I'm pretty much.
[134:32]
Matt Hepner
Because if it's coming from the line of. Of my mother and we. We're only two sons.
[134:37]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, well, the scripture says, like, what was the difference? It's in Hebrews 11:4. By faith, Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was. He was righteous.
[134:47]
Matt Hepner
Right.
[134:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Because he brought it by faith. God testifying of his gifts, and by it he being dead yet speaks. That doesn't answer all of the question. But it says that's the difference between their sacrifices. Do you know who has an interesting take on it that I just read recently?
[135:01]
Matt Hepner
Who's that?
[135:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's not like I'm just a book. I've been reading before bed. Really good book by the dude Doc Brown. He crushes dude.
[135:09]
Matt Hepner
Oh, you've been reading Epic of Esau.
[135:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay. Dropped it off when you guys didn't invite me, but he came to town. Justin. Doc Brown.
[135:16]
Matt Hepner
Dude, are you turning. So you don't read the chat?
[135:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, so when he tells the story, Prometheus lens tells the story, he's talking about how he thinks that Cain worshiping false gods, sacrificed Abel.
[135:31]
Matt Hepner
Oh, that's fascinating.
[135:32]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Sacrificed Abel and that. Like, look, if Cain was, you know, working the plants, working the land, farming, it's not bringing forth food. It's not bringing forth food. That a false God. Maybe even Satan. I forget exactly how exactly explains it. Like gets to Canaan, says, hey man, you know, I'm the God of the land. I'm the God of the farming. I'm the God of, like, bringing forth fruits. If you offer me a sacrifice, like, then I'll hook you up.
[135:52]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[135:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All of a sudden your stuff will be successful. And after so long, I think he breaks it down, like, very real. Like, of. Think of years where, like, he's not bringing forth food, his family struggling, and he hears his brother across the field, like, throwing parties, having a good old time because he's successful. And then he finally went one day, like, sacrifices Abel to this false guy. I was like, that's intriguing. You know what?
[136:14]
Matt Hepner
It's like, look, you don't have to believe that stuff, but, like, I appreciate anybody's attempt to humanize these characters because it's an indication that you believe this is a real event.
[136:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's what I'm saying. You know, you gotta meditate on it or daydream on. If you don't like the word meditate, you, like, daydream about it and think about these stories and picture these stories and imagine what they really look like when they're happening.
[136:34]
Matt Hepner
That's why when. When Ed said that, like, imagine the jealousy of even thinking, like, oh, it's Abel who is the seed that will crush the head of the serpent, who will redeem humanity, basically. You know what I mean?
[136:46]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And.
[136:46]
Matt Hepner
And meanwhile, he's got sheep, you've got produce. He's having, like. It's just. Yeah. Mounting layers of jealousy and bitterness.
[136:53]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
And if I kill him, then I'll be the one.
[136:55]
Matt Hepner
Which is logic. Right. It's like, if you don't, if you think it's going to happen in your generation, which is like, man, right, man, thinks it's going to happen. In our generation, we always consist.
[137:03]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's like, well, that's a funny thing too, because it's like you have the two choices.
[137:07]
Matt Hepner
Yeah.
[137:07]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You know what I mean? There's always this whole thing of you have the two choices. You got like the ortho Catholic thing or you got the Protestant.
[137:13]
Matt Hepner
It's also.
[137:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, no, no, there's other choices. You know what it is, too Republican and Democrat.
[137:18]
Matt Hepner
It's trying to force God's hand in prophecy, which is like. They're still doing that.
[137:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, they're still doing that.
[137:23]
Matt Hepner
So everything that he's saying is just like, you know, whether or not it's true, it's a fast. You've. You've applied human beings as we know know them, not like human beings of modern day, but like these immutable natures of. Of the human experience. Jealousy and bitterness and all these things.
[137:38]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah, that doesn't change.
[137:39]
Matt Hepner
You've superimposed them onto these people. You've made a real effort to humanize them, which is just like. It just allows you to really internalize and really believe. Because I think belief, sometimes it's. It's not just like there's a faith component to believing, but it's like, okay, well, if I'm. If I'm to believe this, like, let's. Let's make this real. What does this look like? Who are these people? What do they believe? Are they like us in the way that they're jealous and. And spiteful and bitter and all these things? And. And also, you know, charitable and beautiful at times?
[138:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Like, yeah, faith in, like, believing a thing without understanding it. Right. Like. Like, I'm like, that there's stuff I read in the Bible. I'm like, I don't understand that, but I know it's true because I see it in the Bible.
[138:18]
Matt Hepner
Sure.
[138:18]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But that type of belief is like a bridge to knowing. Yes, it should be a bridge to knowing. It should be like.
[138:23]
Matt Hepner
But people get mad at that. They're like, oh, you know, because you start. They'll call it, like, heretical, or they'll call it, like, gnostic, let's say. What is just this idea of, like, expanding. Because, you know, it's like the Bible says, you know, whoever takes away from this book or adds to it will be punished. I forget the exact phrasing. So people take that to this unbelievable degree where it's like, oh, to expand on this at all. But it's like, dude, no, I think it's safe.
[138:45]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
If you're saying, like, hey, man, I don't know. I picture it went down like this, and here's why. But it's always. Totally could have went a different way. And that's okay, too.
[138:52]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. All right, fine.
[138:54]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
But then you do get the guys who are like, oh, I had a vision that this is what happened. It's like, no, you just, like, came up with a study and you daydreamed about it a little bit, and you thought that Kane killed Abel for that reason. But you're presenting it like you had this vision and thus say, it's the Lord. Now we're getting creepy.
[139:10]
Matt Hepner
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[139:27]
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[139:58]
Matt Hepner
want to get your thoughts on. On, because I was saying we shouldn't forget about the Tennessee pastor situation. Not. Not because I want to be mean to them, but it's like, I think that if you don't call out sort of the sickness in your own group, and these guys are in our group because they're thinking, you know, fallen angels and nephilim and everything. If you don't call that out, if you just let that go by, you're not doing yourself any. Any services and you're not doing the truth, specifically the truth, a service. And so you kind of, I think, should be calling these things out. So I said people shouldn't forget about what these Tennessee pastors did in regards to. Regards to really stretching the truth and making these tall tales about government officials and. And them being called to ready their flocks and all this other. When that's really not the nature of the meeting that took place at all. And. And I have footage here, if I could just find it, of Joseph Z prophesying. And. And this is one of these things I don't like.
[140:56]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Your smile already said that. I don't know that I'm gonna like.
[140:59]
Matt Hepner
This is one of these things that, that I. It's something that, like the performative aspect.
[141:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Do we have the smelling salts here anymore?
[141:08]
Matt Hepner
No, they.
[141:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
They actually started to dissolve.
[141:12]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, what the.
[141:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You threw them away?
[141:14]
Matt Hepner
I threw them away because there was barely anything left in it. So I said, remember the pastors who came out claiming that the government debriefed them on UFOs? Remember how we all learned that that wasn't true?
[141:22]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, my goodness. Tulsi Gabbard just resigned.
[141:24]
Matt Hepner
I saw that. I'm like, ah.
[141:26]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh.
[141:26]
Matt Hepner
Does nothing for me. Okay. I remember them because they made people who research the connections between demonic encounters and alien abductions look gay. Here's one of them claiming God put this prophetic word on him. It didn't come to pass, by the way. And the woman he said this to died shortly Afterwards. Have you seen anything cringier? Shout out to Joseph Z. This is.
[141:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Wait, are we gonna watch this?
[141:48]
Matt Hepner
So brutal.
[141:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, no. It has a phone number at the bottom to give money. I don't like that. Already brutal, dude.
[141:53]
Matt Hepner
Hold on, Wait a second. Let's do the Japanese sound for Nancy before we do this. We'll handle this super chat and then we'll. We'll get into it.
[141:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Another super chat.
[142:00]
Matt Hepner
Thank you guys for donating. You guys, Nancy, it's been too long.
[142:05]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's been way too long in between. Dude, she's totally doing something else. No, look, she did it.
[142:09]
Matt Hepner
She did it fast. Go ahead.
[142:09]
Nancy
Raising your hands up.
[142:11]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What?
[142:12]
Nancy
Raising your hand. Yeah, raising your. Raising your hands up causes the blood in your arms to flow down, increasing the. The blood flow to the heart. That more than usual. So when you raise your. Thank you, Margaret.
[142:34]
Matt Hepner
Thank you, Marguerite. She says so when you raise. Yep, yep. She definitely says so when you raise your. I think what happened is we're gonna get a second half of that.
[142:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, is she talking about, like, in worship when you.
[142:42]
Matt Hepner
No, no, she say. Well, I think she's talking about in the context of worship, but I think specifically her other half of her comment is going to come in later because there's a character limit. So we'll keep an eye out for it, Marguerite. But thank you very much for. For the 7.99. Thank you guys for. For donating. I really appreciate that.
[142:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
We're really part of the 501C3.
[143:01]
Matt Hepner
Hell yeah, dude. Thank you for tithing.
[143:02]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
All right, dude, as soon as the people are talking. Yeah. And they have the phone number across the bottom and you can give them right away.
[143:09]
Matt Hepner
Wait till you see this cringy turd. No, he's do this performative. You ready?
[143:15]
Show Announcer
First of all, I love this network. I love this network. It's changing the world. But I heard these words, and I'm being obedient to the Lord. Joni Lamb, the Lord says you have passed and you are coming to the other side now.
[143:34]
Matt Hepner
By the way, she did pass shortly after this, and she is currently on the other side. So I guess in that way this is.
[143:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Did she die unexpectedly or was she, like, on her deathbed?
[143:43]
Matt Hepner
But what is this wizard stance? Like, what the is this? What is this hand on the. The chest is. Dude's getting ready for the pledge of allegiance.
[143:50]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Even if he's right, I mean, it's like there's no dog.
[143:54]
Matt Hepner
He's saying suit saying.
[143:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Dude, there's, like, there's suit saying in the church. Bro, it's like fortune telling. Or like, this is the guy, by
[144:00]
Matt Hepner
the way, that is getting, like, the most publicity. Oh, thank you, Marguerite, for this. No, no, this is a continuation of the same one. She says, hands, you are pouring blood on the altar of sacrifice. That is our heart. Job 11:13. That's fascinating. So she's saying when you put your hands in the air, literally, Right. If you had a wound, they say, place your arm above your.
[144:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Your heart.
[144:21]
Matt Hepner
If the wounds on your arm, because the blood's gonna flow. And that since it's all going to the heart, you're pouring blood on the altar of sacrifice. That is our. That's really fascinating. And I don't think that's so much of a leap. And I actually do think that's really insightful and interesting. Thank you. That's a. That's a really nice. So, yeah.
[144:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You think Nancy really cares. Did you hear Nancy just say thank you, or do you think it's just like a formality?
[144:44]
Matt Hepner
I don't know. I think Nancy has. No, she's grateful.
[144:49]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You are. I love that.
[144:50]
Matt Hepner
Yes.
[144:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, I just was curious. I mean.
[144:54]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, it's just that Nancy doesn't make performative displays of emotion. Yeah, she's not a big. I don't.
[145:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Do you think she does?
[145:01]
Nancy
I don't get paid to emote.
[145:03]
Matt Hepner
Oh, if we paid her a little bit at all.
[145:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay.
[145:07]
Matt Hepner
She might emote. All right, that's interesting. All right, let's. Let's let this play. I just pulled it back so you could see this again. It's the best. It's really the hand positioning, the dramatic walk up.
[145:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I know it sucks because he kind of has GSP vibes a little bit, but GSP was a wanker.
[145:19]
Matt Hepner
I mean, just vibes. Somebody said Lex Luthor, I think that's much. But this is, you know, one of the guys that is getting the most recognition for grifting off of this pastor.
[145:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
It's like, you know, as soon as he starts to butt kiss the network right there, you know, something's not right. Now he's butt kissing the network.
[145:38]
Matt Hepner
Oh, this guy has a flesh portal for sure. Tinfoil tiara for sure.
[145:42]
Show Announcer
This network is changing the world. But I heard these words, and I'm being obedient. Obedient to the Lord. Joni Lamb, the Lord says, you have passed, and you are coming to the other side now. And for God almighty is saying, have I not given you the crown? Have I not given you the scepter? And will you not gain a second scepter? Says the Lord, I'm bringing a second scepter into your hand. For my eyes have seen and my ears have heard, and I know this hour and I have predestined it for you and this season that you're walking in. So the blessing of the Lord is upon this platform. The blessing of the Lord is upon this ministry. And God is saying, I reside here and strength is.
[146:30]
Matt Hepner
The Cadbury Egg Guy. I don't even understand that. I mean, I remember.
[146:34]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You don't remember the commercial with the Cadbury Egg Guy? It's like, it could be his grandson or something.
[146:38]
Matt Hepner
I don't remember the commercial with the Cadbury Egg Guy. I remember. I know Cadbury eggs are delicious, but I don't know.
[146:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, hold on.
[146:44]
Matt Hepner
We gotta do that has that voice. You gotta do the. The noise real quick.
[146:48]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Let me find it.
[146:52]
Nancy
David, don't forget to mog Vince today.
[146:56]
Matt Hepner
Oh, that's right. Yeah, we have. Oh, I got like a half an hour till this show. I'm just rolling straight into another show. All right, that's fine. Thank you.
[147:04]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Ken still not here.
[147:06]
Matt Hepner
He probably be showing up any minute now.
[147:08]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What does it mean to. To mog him?
[147:09]
Matt Hepner
You know, frame mog or. Or sort of. I don't know, any other mogging. Just mogging somebody means to, like, I guess if you had to put it in terms to. To outdo and. And display dominance to such a degree.
[147:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You're not gonna do that. You don't do that.
[147:26]
Matt Hepner
Vince is the best. Honestly, if you see that show, which you're not allowed to be on, you're gonna go, wow, this little dude from Italia is the best, man. He's. He's very funny.
[147:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
You're not a mogger. You let people do their thing.
[147:38]
Matt Hepner
No, no, it's just like, you know, just. Just displaying dominance, you know, just dominating. Doesn't have to be sexual.
[147:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Let's see the rest of this guy.
[147:45]
Show Announcer
Upon you, Joanie. Strength is upon you, Doug. And what the enemy has meant for evil, the Lord God Almighty of heaven is going to turn it around for your good.
[147:55]
Critic/Commentator
That's sooth saying this is a false prophecy, Right? This is not from the Lord. It did not come to pass. I talked to Alan to do about this because he was upset that I called him unreliable guys. And I was like, well, your guy, Joseph, Joseph Z, he has a bunch of, like, word salad prophecies all the time. They don't mean anything. Remnant radio's done. Reviews. Reviews of his prophecies. It's nothing. Burgers. And then when he does come forward and shares a very bold one that's very clear what it means. It completely falls flat on his face. Almost as though God wanted you to get caught with your pants down, Joseph Z. And that is indeed what happened.
[148:29]
Show Announcer
And he's going to make it better than it was in the first place. And I see God's hand of favor upon you. Righteousness, exaltation. And I call you a Deborah. I call you not only an Esther, but I call you a warrior in the house of God.
[148:47]
Matt Hepner
Now, now, that woman died shortly after this video, which is brutal. She's sitting there crying. Who knows? I mean, how. Oh, I don't know. I think. No, I don't know.
[148:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I think this prophecy, like, spoke over her.
[149:02]
Matt Hepner
No, I don't think that that's the case. I don't think those two are related. I think that this guy.
[149:06]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Is that the chick, the crying one is the one that's being prophesied over.
[149:09]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, she's being prophesied over, but I don't know how she died. I just know that she's. She's no longer with us. It wasn't very long after this event that that took place. And if I'm not mistaken, that that network, he's with a different network. Network now. You know, I don't know if it's because daystar went under or whatever the case is, but basically the opposite of what he said here happened.
[149:32]
Show Announcer
And the Lord says, you carry a mantle like an Abraham. Joni and I bless you and Doug together, and we stand with you. And I want to just say this, God is here
[149:46]
Critic/Commentator
Now. This is where it gets even worse.
[149:48]
Matt Hepner
Okay?
[149:48]
Critic/Commentator
That's a false prophecy where he's like, God told. Said this, and he declares in God's name. This is blasphemy against. Against God. To declare things in God's name that God is not saying that is blasphemy. Worse than that is, they're actually not on the right side of these things, as far as I can tell. As far as most everybody I know who I trust can tell, the Lambs are on the wrong. Well, Joni Lamb is on the wrong side of this thing. Not all of them, because she has a son who seems like he's fighting in the right direction on these issues. But her husband, that he says, God's with you and your husband. This is the guy that two months after Joni Lamb's husband died, he divorced his wife suddenly and then married Joni really quick. To all intents and purposes, it appears reasonably that he did so he divorced his wife to marry another woman. We have a word for that. Jesus gave it to us. He who divorces his wife marries another that commits adultery. The purpose of the divorce was for remarriage with somebody else. That's pretty clear.
[150:46]
Matt Hepner
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[151:18]
Matt Hepner
Just really, I mean, like, you got to look at it from my perspective, man. You've been kind of bearing witness to this for your entire life, right? You. You understand this kind of character. You've seen this kind of character.
[151:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm not my entire life. But when I started church, which is
[151:35]
Matt Hepner
a long time ago, right? 52, 53. 53 years ago. 53 years ago I started. You're very old, and it's been a long time.
[151:41]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Maybe like 20 years ago. If Bella's 20. Yeah, probably like 20 years ago, I
[151:45]
Matt Hepner
started going, right, so 20 years ago
[151:47]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
when you were 40. A little kid. 15. Somewhere between 15 and 20 years ago. Yeah. I started going. This is all I went into, like, this kind of thing because I believe in the gifts, too. Like, I absolutely believe in prophecy. I've actually had, like, legit prophecies over me.
[152:00]
Matt Hepner
Okay.
[152:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Like, legit prophecies, dude. Where I'm like, okay, good night, Ross. That. That's wild, dude. Like, that was a real thing, but it was not sweet and cozy and cuddly. It was terrifying. And it was, like, not good. But then it definitely happened, but it was for good.
[152:14]
Matt Hepner
I've. I've never seen this.
[152:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Okay, So I was in a church one time. I don't know if you ever heard this story. And the guy Nathan said. He goes, man, I had a vision. I was in. I was in a vision, and I saw Matt, and he was just skin and bones. Oh. He goes. He was just. And I saw. Stop.
[152:33]
Matt Hepner
He saw your legs. When you're wearing shorts, he saw your legs.
[152:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
The vibe was like that. He was, like, in a prison. And. And he was just all sucked up and was just skin and bones. And I said, oh, no, Matt. And I heard the Lord's voice say, no, I'm doing this. I'm ripping everything off of Matt that's not of me, and I'm going to replace him.
[152:50]
Matt Hepner
So he took, like, your calf muscles and.
[152:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Stop, man. This was like, legit prophecy, dude. But this is like, one story I've got about legit prophecy. And I just heard a million prophecies. And so he said that. And I was like. And I had people coming to me, and they're like, I rebuke that word in the name of the Lord. And I was just like, oh, okay, cool, whatever. Like, I don't know.
[153:07]
Matt Hepner
Oh, yeah, don't put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.
[153:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's like, prophet. People fight in the church where he was like, more prophetic than the other. And I was like, the guy with, like, the little kids had a nice house that they were like, yeah, look at him. He's like somebody important.
[153:18]
Matt Hepner
Sure, sure.
[153:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's not gonna be. You know, that happened to him. And right after that was when we went through foreclosure. We went through, like, both houses got foreclosed on. Our life just got shredded from us. And it like, took a while until I even remembered that word, you know what I mean? And it was like, that absolutely did happen. And it helped me to understand what was happening in the time. It was like, yeah, he. God had to do this to me. He was r. Ripping everything out of my life that couldn't be there. So it wasn't like sweet and cute code, cozy, cuddly, like these kind of prophecies. They say it's always like these sweet things. Yeah. Like these type of prophecy stuff. Especially if there's a phone number at the bottom. It's always like the sweetest, cutest, cozy.
[153:56]
Matt Hepner
That's so crazy because you're doing well.
[153:58]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What's doing is just like the. It's suits saying, well, yeah, you're like,
[154:02]
Matt Hepner
today I'm gonna get on. On stage, we're gonna hit the cameras, we're gonna start getting donations. And a lot of that. I have seen some of this, like, that kind of Televange Angeles thing. And a lot of them is just like riffing and ramping, right?
[154:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah. Crazier to me than like a serial killer or like a rapist or a murderer.
[154:18]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, we with God. That's crazy.
[154:19]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That, like, people that do that and have been around the scripture and have any concept of God. Yeah, that's madness, bro. Like, you are a crazy person. You lost your mind.
[154:28]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I know. I agree with you.
[154:29]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Especially when you get into, like, thus, say at The Lord, when you start saying like, God said this.
[154:33]
Matt Hepner
Yeah. God said, you are a Deborah, you are an Esther. Like, whoa. You're just going to. Through the whole rig roll.
[154:40]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I like it, dude. I don't like it.
[154:42]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, I don't. I don't like it either. Really cringy. You know, I have another video. We're not gonna play it. But, but that whole Perry Stone guy, somebody hit him with a hidden microphone, a hot mic.
[154:55]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Oh, no.
[154:55]
Matt Hepner
And they just caught him saying what? He was being accused by 12 different women in his church of sexual assault. And his response was, was, I'm gonna go to the mountains. Because he's in Tennessee. I'm gonna go to the mountains and I'm gonna take a bottle of pills. He's basically saying, like, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna take responsibility for this. I'm gonna off myself. I'm gonna kill the entire 100. A hundred percent. Yeah, I play it. I think I'm gonna play it. I'll play it. But you know, and my, my point is not to say like I'm better than these people or anything like that. It's just like these guys that came out and gave this whole movement a black eye. These are like incredibly flawed and kind of crazy people. And.
[155:38]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
No, but I just wonder if they start like that or just the system turns them into that or. I don't know, man. What's happening? Dude, I honestly. I guess that's the reason why I'm terrified to even become a part of that system.
[155:50]
Matt Hepner
Dude. Yeah, I got blocked by Joseph Z for this, by the way. I kept tagging him and Perry hasn't blocked me. I don't think he's that activate on his thing. But this guy, by the way, way I feel bad, the guy in the bottom left corner, I forget his name. Never been introduced to his work before. Somebody sent it to me. And this guy does. He's a really solid thinker, a really critical guy.
[156:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Well, there's a lot of guys now that do what he's doing. I don't know this guy.
[156:14]
Matt Hepner
He's great.
[156:14]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Stupid ass. So called prophecies. And we go and expose them and go, look how stupid this is. Yeah, there's like a ton of people that do that.
[156:21]
Matt Hepner
All right, here, we'll play it.
[156:22]
Critic/Commentator
And it's Perry Stone, the guy who threatened to kill himself. Let me, let me just share with you right now before we do anything else. I'll show you who Perry Stone Stone is. He's the gentleman who actually threatened to kill Himself when it was going to be exposed.
[156:35]
Matt Hepner
And before we go into this, by the way, like, everybody pretty much outside of Tony Merkel, who, you know, he has been very transparent about how this entire thing went down. He's also mortified about it. And all this other. These guys are mortified. These guys are. Are reeling in it. This dude is. Is a badass example. But the other guy, Alan Didio, who, you know, I didn't really bring up anything on him. Alan Didio is 100. Like, he'll see what Perry, Winkle, whatever his name is, is saying, and he'll go, everything he says is 100. True. I was there.
[157:13]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Hey, boss, we got you a lot of money today. They've been sending in a lot.
[157:15]
Matt Hepner
They've been sending a lot of cash. I'm glad.
[157:17]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Just want to make sure you're happy about that. Let's go. Slide in.
[157:21]
Matt Hepner
So. So. Oh, thank you. Mike Winger. Yeah. This guy crushes. Mike Winger crushes. And so the. The hell was I gonna say? Oh, Alan Didio.
[157:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I want to see the video. Okay.
[157:32]
Matt Hepner
All right, here.
[157:33]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I feel like I don't.
[157:33]
Matt Hepner
We actually have to bring this in for a close soon because I keep forgetting.
[157:36]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Don't want to see it.
[157:37]
Critic/Commentator
But it's just that the man was inappropriately acting towards multiple women that were under his authority. And so I'll play you that audio.
[157:46]
Matt Hepner
I have 12 letters of where your head it. And you've done it to all of them. Okay, where you. You know what? I'm gonna go commit suicide up in the mountain in this thing, because I'm not gonna. Look, listen to me. Before God, I'm gonna go take pills in the mountains, Rob, because I. I
[157:59]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
can't put up with this, okay?
[158:00]
Matt Hepner
We're here to help. I know I'm a very sincere person, but I have almost no friends, man. And I have almost no friends because of. Like this. You've got two friends. No, I know I do, but I'm just saying, like this. I can't shake a woman's hand. Always coming up to me, pat him on the back. It's of kind coming on to me. I'm talking about these other people. The. You know, this other stuff. Whatever. I'm just talking about these other people. I mean, it just really. Look, I will take my life before I let the ministry go dead, and I swear to God, I'll take my life. No, no, no, no. This is going to get bigger. If he's got letters, it means they're talking. If they're talking, they're not even talking to each other. The ministry is ruined. I'm going to shut okay. OCI down and sell the bill. No, I need to. I need. I need to shut OCI down, sell the building, forget everything I'm doing, because I am not. And if Pam Stone knows this, Pim Stone will leave me. Oh, she'll find out. No, she'll find out. And by accusations, I'll be destroyed. So what do I have to live for?
[159:01]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What do I have to live for, man?
[159:02]
Matt Hepner
That's why we're here. If I'm ruined.
[159:05]
Critic/Commentator
So Perry starts actually threatening to kill himself rather than face the reality of these men who say, hey, we're here to love you, Perry. But we've got 12 different letters written by all these different witnesses confronting you with your inappropriate behaviors. He completely freaked out. Said he'd kill himself, said he'd destroy his ministry. He just will not allow any accountability. And this is. Unfortunately, the reality is, years later, he's still just going and going and going with no end in sight. That's just how it is.
[159:31]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That was years.
[159:32]
Critic/Commentator
How it is.
[159:33]
Matt Hepner
That was years ago. Is that for a super chat? Okay, I'll. I'll pull it up, and then you could. You could read it. Oh, there. There you go.
[159:50]
Nancy
Scott says, hello, Top.
[159:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
She's smoking.
[159:54]
Nancy
No, I don't smoke.
[159:56]
Matt Hepner
You know what it is? When you don't talk for a long time and you're just boiling water, sometimes it's hard to summon your voice.
[160:00]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Do you think she talks with us? That's the only words she says in a.
[160:07]
Nancy
And I don't smoke weed. Just for the chat.
[160:09]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Do you talk to anybody throughout the day, Nancy?
[160:13]
Nancy
Not really.
[160:15]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
That's kind of cool, though. I'm happy to be your buddy.
[160:19]
Matt Hepner
I don't think she continues.
[160:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I don't know. Listening to that is devastating. So, dude, like, I just. I don't.
[160:25]
Matt Hepner
What's. What's crazy about that is like, yeah, that was years ago.
[160:28]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What do you even say to that, man?
[160:30]
Matt Hepner
It was years ago. And. And this is a guy I know. You're not on X, so you're not seeing.
[160:35]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
He's saying, like, what do I have to live for? It's like, okay, wait, I thought you believe the Bible.
[160:40]
Matt Hepner
Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
[160:43]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
What is happening?
[160:44]
Matt Hepner
The whole thing is about redemption and salvation through Christ. And you're like, there's no redemption here. I'm gonna go. So the thing that's really crazy is. Yeah, that was years ago. This guy Matt. This is what you're not seeing. This guy Alan De Dio, who says that everything that Perry says is correct because he was at this meeting. And then later on you find out Perry lied about a bunch of. And. But Alan Didio still claimed that that was the case, that everything was absolutely true. That's the phrasing he used. Absolutely true. And then he. And he did that a couple of times. It wasn't like he made a mistake and walked it back. He didn't walk it back till people finally started dinging him for it. But this guy, along with the bald headed. These guys are the faces that are associated with disclosure is different, demonic. And Christianity has a framework for this. And Nephilim, fallen angels, all that stuff. Those guys. And that's why I've been, you know, posting it. Because I'm like, no, you. I gotta burn this out.
[161:39]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Yeah.
[161:40]
Matt Hepner
Because this is not. You're giving people who actually look at this and aren't pieces of a black eye now. Anybody. Oh, oh, wait, so you mean like the. The sexually abusive past pastor and the fake prophet pastor? Like you're talking about aliens or demons like those guys? Yeah, that's a problem. So, you know, it is weird that that happened and that these dudes became associated to such a degree with this. But we got to bring it in for a close because in. In about 15 minutes, I got to be on the phone booth podcast. So guys, if you're, you know, if you got the time, you want them
[162:16]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
to make you a sandwich or anything or.
[162:18]
Matt Hepner
No, No, I don't want a sandwich. I'm doing. Dude, I'm good.
[162:20]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm good.
[162:21]
Matt Hepner
Do you want to. Do you want. Do you. Do you have anything else to say?
[162:24]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
I'm just. I don't need.
[162:33]
Matt Hepner
Again, the end is written in the book, in the pages they forgot Death spot.
[162:52]
Raven (David Lee Corbo)
Death spot.
[163:06]
Matt Hepner
When the last trumpet sounds.