Venue Cancellation Drama: Behind the Scenes of 'Bohemian Grove'

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: Episode Summary

Episode Title: Venue Cancellation Drama: Behind the Scenes of 'Bohemian Grove'
Release Date: June 5, 2025
Host/Authors: TopLobsta, Raven, Clint, and David

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1. Introduction

In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsta Productions delve deep into the unexpected cancellation of their highly anticipated event at the renowned Bohemian Grove. The conversation offers listeners an unfiltered glimpse behind the scenes, unraveling the complexities and challenges faced by the team in executing their vision amidst external pressures.

2. Initial Plans for 'Bohemian Grove' Event

The hosts began by outlining their ambitious plans for the event at Bohemian Grove, a venue they deemed ideal for their offensive comedy and discussions on profound topics like entities, UFO phenomena, and schizophrenia.

• David: "[...] we were supposed to start rolling into not just the spooky of entities and people and their experiences [...]" (03:28)

• Top: Highlighted the dual nature of their content, blending humor with serious investigative discussions, emphasizing the uniqueness of their approach.

3. The Cancellation Unfolds

Seventeen days before the scheduled event, the team faced an unforeseen setback when their venue was abruptly canceled. The disruption was primarily attributed to a campaign led by supporters of comedian Owen Benjamin, who allegedly influenced local authorities to revoke their booking.

• Clint: "And as you guys know, [...] it's just like ridiculous." (05:20)

• David: Expressed disbelief, stating, "17 days before the event." (05:20)

4. Root Causes: The Owen Benjamin Influence

The cancellation was traced back to coordinated efforts by Owen Benjamin’s faction, who leveraged his influence to disrupt the event. The group allegedly contacted the venue's management and local officials, citing controversial associations and previous misconduct associated with Benjamin.

• Top: Detailed the encounter with the venue manager, revealing that a troubling ADL article about Owen Benjamin was used as leverage to justify the cancellation. "He got two kids from doing that." (10:36)

• Clint: Asserted the insincerity of the threats, saying, "And I think Mer was, I think, doxing Owen Benjamin at the time because he's real piece of." (13:58)

5. Implications of Cancel Culture

The hosts engaged in a robust discussion on the broader implications of cancel culture, debating its impact on free speech and artistic expression. They criticized the selective targeting based on past associations and behaviors, questioning the fairness and consistency of such societal judgments.

• David: "We're not going to do this without Owen Benjamin. I'm compromising my values and the entire thing that I built." (14:28)

• Top: Emphasized the importance of offensive comedy as a tool to challenge societal norms, stating, "This is a distraction, in my opinion." (21:54)

6. Navigating the Crisis: Strategic Responses

Faced with the venue cancellation, the team discussed potential strategies to salvage the event. They considered relocating to alternative venues, leveraging their substantial online support base, and reinforcing their commitment to their core values despite the setbacks.

• Clint: Highlighted the ideal features of the initial venue, mentioning, "We had already negotiated [...] a VIP section." (17:28)

• David: "We have an alternative venue to fall back on, which means we're going to have our work cut out for us." (20:07)

7. The Role of Community and Support

Acknowledging the strong backing from their audience, the hosts expressed optimism about rallying their supporters to overcome the challenges posed by the cancellation. They underscored the global interest in their event, with tickets purchased from diverse locations worldwide.

• David: "People are buying tickets from all over the world. It's not even just the country." (17:07)

• Clint: Highlighted the involvement of high-profile figures like Milo Yiannopoulos, which signifies the event's broad appeal. "Milo Yiannopoulos just reaches out yesterday and says, hey, I would like to attend." (18:09)

8. Ethical and Moral Considerations

The conversation ventured into ethical debates surrounding personal conduct and professional contributions. The hosts grappled with separating an individual's personal misdeeds from their professional achievements, using Glenn Greenwald as a case study.

• Clint: "He was one of the people... risked his life to get out the biggest story in our lifetimes." (36:03)

• Top: Expressed skepticism about compartmentalizing personal flaws from professional integrity. "We can't say things into a microphone." (25:28)

9. Moving Forward: Resilience and Determination

Despite the setbacks, the hosts reaffirmed their determination to proceed with the event, emphasizing their unwavering commitment to influencing cultural narratives through their platform. They discussed the necessity of adaptability and resilience in the face of opposition.

• Top: "We have a chance to do a similar thing." (33:29)

• David: "We're not going to give this up without a fight." (20:55)

10. Conclusion

The episode concluded with a blend of frustration and resolve. The Nephilim Death Squad team acknowledged the significant challenges posed by the unexpected venue cancellation but remained steadfast in their mission to challenge and reshape cultural dialogues. They appealed to their listeners for continued support and vigilance as they navigate the final weeks leading up to the event.

• Top: "This is crazy." (48:39)

• Clint: "See ya." (53:17)

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Key Takeaways:

• The Nephilim Death Squad faced an abrupt cancellation of their event at Bohemian Grove due to external pressures, primarily from supporters of Owen Benjamin.

• The team engaged in a critical discussion about the negative impacts of cancel culture on free speech and creative expression.

• Despite the setback, the hosts demonstrated resilience, exploring alternative venues and leveraging their strong support base to potentially salvage the event.

• Ethical debates highlighted the complexity of separating personal misconduct from professional contributions, using real-life examples to illustrate the dilemma.

• The episode underscored the hosts' unwavering commitment to their mission of influencing and challenging cultural norms through offensive comedy and serious discourse.

Notable Quotes:

• Clint: "17 days before the event." (05:20)

• David: "We're not going to do this without Owen Benjamin. I'm compromising my values and the entire thing that I built." (14:28)

• Top: "We have a chance to do a similar thing." (33:29)

• Clint: "See ya." (53:17)

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Conclusion

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad provides an in-depth look into the challenges of organizing controversial events in today's polarized cultural landscape. Through candid discussions and personal anecdotes, the hosts shed light on the pervasive influence of cancel culture and reaffirm their dedication to pushing the boundaries of comedy and discourse.

Transcript

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[Clint]

Hey, dude.

[David]

Oh, I was trying to text my wife, too, just let her know that I'm gonna be late.

[Top]

Gerard. Gerard Michaels was like, I. He's apparently defending James.

[Clint]

It's.

[Top]

It's odd, like the lines that people are defending James. Linds. I guess we're just. Well, we're in it. We're recording. Hello.

[David]

Yeah, we should probably start by talking about what we set out to do today. What. What was today about, boys? We were gonna go and see the theater and kind of, you know, iron out some details, figure out where we were gonna hang banners. We went there with our buddy Al.

[Top]

Where we were gonna kill Toad. We had it all set up.

[David]

It's a nice back room. We lined the walls in plastic. It was gonna be great. And we even bought our documentarian, the homie. Al came to come and check out the venue, see how he was gonna set up.

[Top]

He had to leave because he broke Clint's sign. Go ahead, Clint. Show him the sign there.

[David]

Show him how the D hangs.

[Top]

Show him how the D hangs. It hangs.

[Clint]

I had broken the K, and Al broke the D, so he broke my D. Al, you broke my D. And.

[David]

It'S gonna cost a lot of money. We'll be sending you a bill, and.

[Top]

Because of that, we're canceled. That's it.

[David]

Now it's over. It's over before it even began. No, we. We were hitting a stride there. Measuring surfaces. Oh, there. I like. I like you in sunglasses. That's a very dominant move.

[Clint]

We should all wear sunglasses. I should go get mine.

[David]

We should wear sunglasses.

[Top]

Where's your sunglasses?

[David]

Literally can't.

[Top]

Is it next to your deodorant?

[David]

No, I saw it when I was using it.

[Top]

I can get it for you if you want me to get your sunglasses.

[Clint]

No, it's all right.

[Top]

Okay, just look like over there.

[Clint]

Trapped. I'm trapped in here. No sunglasses. But we were.

[David]

We Were doing good. We were measuring. We were getting a feel for how this is gonna. And we were getting our hands on the set decor.

[Top]

Today is June 3rd, and today it's basically the last day for me to. Not the last day. I might have, like, another day or two to get measurements for banners and such like that for the. The sponsors and for things to look nice and for people to take us seriously as an event.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top]

And so we were there doing that. We also had Al Marinelli shout out to Al Train Wreck Entertainment, Al Marinara. He's going to be working with us to do a documentary of some type. And the documentary we set out to do initially was. It was supposed to be, like, about entities and such and things. Like. Yeah, it's spooky stuff. So I don't even know how Clint would have fit into this. Clint's kind of a spooky dude.

[David]

He is a spooky dude.

[Clint]

I don't think so.

[David]

Yeah. You know how the camera's catching him as blurry? That's actually how he looks in real life all the time.

[Clint]

Very cast. Unfortunately, the lighting in here is so good that I'm going to have to get a new hat.

[David]

Oh, yeah, you can see. Yeah, it's not good.

[Clint]

It's a very old hat.

[Top]

Less brim. Circumcise the brim. You'll be all right.

[Clint]

Not going to do that. Sounds like a terrible idea, actually.

[David]

Well, I figured the documentary was going to start to roll into not just the spooky of entities and people and their experiences and all these other things, but it was also going to be partly about what we were doing, you know, executing Bohemian Grove, which is, I guess, a pretty. A pretty offensive undertaking. And I didn't necessarily know when we set out to do it that Bohemian Grove had the capacity to rust. Ruffle feathers in the way that it has.

[Clint]

There's no way you didn't think that it could.

[David]

Well, you guys have been doing.

[Clint]

You are really detached from reality if you thought that there was no chance of this.

[David]

I genuinely am.

[Top]

Look at what he's wearing.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

You guys are. Have been steeped in this for a lot longer than I have.

[Clint]

Well, I know, which is why you should be even more on guard than I am. I've been doing this a long time.

[David]

I almost think it's the opposite. I think when you've been at war for as long as you have, you continually get dinged, you get scars, you get marred.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

And that kind of causes a bit of hesitation. I'm a fresh faced Baby boy, right. Nothing bad has happened to me yet. I haven't been molested by cancel culture in the way that you guys have. So I am still in that kind of gung ho phase where I'm just moving forward. So, yeah, I didn't think that this was going to be something that was going to rub people the wrong way.

[Top]

It's crazy. Like we. We explicitly pulled him aside and said, David, this could actually be something that rubs people the wrong way.

[David]

Right? And I said no, as.

[Clint]

As if there was like that wasn't a given. So, yeah, the long, long and short of it is that we are essentially. Our venue has been ripped out from underneath us. As of now, we don't know for sure that that's official or not. We are using our context to try and put additional leverage to see if we can actually still make it happen at the location that we were intending. But as of today, we may be reorienting to a different location, which is a few miles away. So very frustrating.

[David]

17 days before the event. 17 days before the event.

[Clint]

And as you guys know, you know, I moved out here for this and David moved out here for this kind of. So it's just like ridiculous. Ridiculous. And what's really frustrating is that I think the audience will probably want to know, but it's really not targeted at us. It's the cancel mob of Owen Benjamin's. I don't know if former fans or deranged haters, but it's Owen Benjamin's people contacted the venue. They contacted allegedly the mayor of the town. And. And this is what happened. Is that because of his write ups in the. What was it? Was it the sdlc? Adl? Adl? Yeah.

[David]

So we're on stage and we're getting measurements and we're trying to really zero in on the vision. And Top is suddenly called backstage to talk to the guy who more or less runs the venue, doesn't own the venue, but he's kind of the guy that oversees, you know, what's happening there. And, you know, I'll let you, Top say what it is that he said to you, but after you disappeared and came back and told us the news, I genuinely thought for a brief moment in time that he was with us. And I thought it was, you know, I thought it was funny. I said, oh, look at him. He's getting cheeky. He's trying to scare us.

[Clint]

It's just very. It's a very weird way that it played out because we were there. We're at actually standing at the vent you got to change the camera. We were standing at the venue to measure signage and stuff like that. So needless to say, we were invited there. We had an appointment to go in there.

[David]

Correct.

[Clint]

So to be told, while we are measuring, to put up the appropriate signage, that is where we were conveyed the message that we had, in fact, been canceled.

[David]

And by the way, this is something that we have gone to pretty clear lengths to establish. Like, this is going to be offensive and the people that we are bringing here are going to ruffle some feathers. You know, it's not something that I. I didn't think it was.

[Top]

Multiple times I've. In upon the first meeting with Dustin at the Tropic Theater, I did tell him, like, we dabble in. Don't just dabble, like, but we are offensive comedy. Premier comedians tell us we are offensive comedy. They tell us that we are the new comedy moving forward. What. What it needs to be. Clint, if you could pull up. Well, eventually I sent to the Dangerous chat the information about the person who did dox us. So that's out there. Oh, yeah, that'd be interesting. So as. Yeah, we'll just go ahead and say what was happening. We're taking measurements for sponsor advertisements and things like that, making it look nice. And Dustin pulls me aside and he goes, can I talk to you for a minute? And I go, great. I have a feeling where this is going. And he shows me his phone, but doesn't really show me any, like, no details, no message. No details. He says that he gets a message from the mayor of Leesburg. That's correct. Or not. The governor would be the mayor.

[Clint]

You said governor, but I'm sure he said mayor.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top]

I keep saying governor. Everyone's like, Santa, this.

[Clint]

This is the. The doxing threat that we received a couple days ago says, well, there it is. FYI, the show isn't going to happen. There's a group of people that are going to get it canceled anyway. Not a part of it. Just giving you a heads up, which.

[David]

Is funny coming from a guy who is at D. Docsons. I'm not a part of it, but I'm just giving you. Oh, thank you for the good Debo.

[Clint]

Dachshunds, I'm sure, had no. No inside information as to what was going on there.

[Top]

Okay. So. Well, that happens. He pulls me aside, he shows me a text message, and I said, well, who sent this text message? He won't show me who sent the text message. He says that it comes from. He's getting word from the mayor of the town. And since it's a city owned venue, he's like, well, we see that you have this guy Benjamin. And I was like, oh. And yeah, Owen Benjamin. And he was like, ah, yes. Well, you know, it's, it, it looks like this guy is. And then he names the buzzwords. And this is why I was concerned when I saw this posting. This will edit that out for liberty lockdown. But I just have. I lack the verbiage for these type of people. When he said that, you know, we, we're going to basically get you canceled from the, from the, the thing. And I said, this is a conservative town. The person who we spoke with originally that owns half the town knows Owen Benjamin. He is a fan. Most people here are fans of what they do. They understand the comedy, they understand what we're doing. This guy here is just a theater guy. He's here to perform and do dramatic stuff. And it is what it is. I don't really like this person.

[Clint]

And.

[Top]

But, but we're here to do a thing.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top]

And he's in control of it. So we're going to maintain a relationship as long as we need to until we do this.

[Clint]

I don't think it's. I don't think it's beneficial to be saying that we don't give a. We don't like the person.

[Top]

I'm sure that this person doesn't like me because when I said, can I see the text messages? He wouldn't show me the text messages. Instead, he showed me an ADL article from five years ago about Owen Benjamin. He said, oh, well, it turns out this guy is a racist, a bigot, yada yada. I mean, I'm sure you could find the ADL article.

[Clint]

And I said, what is this? Why did you share this?

[Top]

Oh, this. Is this on the screen right now?

[Clint]

No.

[Top]

All right, pull it up on the screen and then I'll. So this is just. So this is the guy Debo Dockson that, you know, he said that stuff. And then we just looked at his page and we found who he was. This is his substack.

[David]

Oh, right, right.

[Top]

And as you can see there at the bottom, his name. D. Heflin. Right. Very easy. We also, I have other messages. I have other screenshots of where the guy lives in Virginia on 500 acres or on three says on 300 acres.

[Clint]

Whatever.

[Top]

So we found him. Is this on the screen?

[Clint]

Yep.

[Top]

Okay. So yeah, so we just did some searching. We found another person named Dennis James Heflin, 38 years old, which is the Age of this guy. Well, actually this guy right now is 41. He's got four kids and he's married on Acres. So he says, but I, I don't think so, because people that have.

[David]

Well, that would do it, right? Because this was 2022. Right. So add three years.

[Top]

This actually does it. Yeah, this is the guy. So, Virginia group home employee arrested after inappropriate relationship with 16 year old girl. This guy's right. One of the people that. I'm sure there's a group in parentheses. I don't know what that means. I don't know how many people. He's one of them. I'm sure he called the venue. That's his information. Do with it what you want. Yeah, so. So these. But it's, it's just, it's so I, I had the opportunity as I'm talking to this guy to say, like, you know, can't cancel. Culture is a sham. Let me explain the culture to you. But I look right at him and I go, this is not worth my time.

[David]

Right?

[Top]

So I say, all right, what do you want to do? And he says, we can't move forward. We, we can't have him here. Simple as that.

[David]

He's talking about Owen.

[Top]

Owen Benjamin, right?

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Top]

And I'm just like. He said, he said, well, apparently this guy's an anti Semite. And he goes, I'm Jewish, so this is a problem. And I go, owen's Jewish. And he goes, well, you know, just the governor or the mayor of the town and you know, this is city owned and they're just not going to go for it.

[David]

Right.

[Top]

And I'm just like, all right, well, there's no substance here. What it seemed like to me is that these people are theater people. That same girl with the green hair was there.

[David]

That didn't bode well.

[Top]

One of the first times that I went, yeah. So I'm like, like, I have a very good radar for this. That's why I told you a while ago, once this guy said this, I was like, oh, these people will fold. I didn't like, I have a feeling about this.

[Clint]

It's just very frustrating to me because I told the guy, I mean, I backed you up on our first meeting with him. And I said, look, whatever you think is aggressive comedy, we're more aggressive than that. You know, I told. I, I tried to make it as crystal clear as humanly possible. And he just said, it's fine, no big deal, we don't care, you're good to go. And I was like, all right. Well, then I have nothing to worry about.

[David]

We do the gods of comedy here, and that's pretty offensive. It's like. No, no, no, you don't. You don't understand. Essentially, what we're given here is an ultimatum. And that ultimatum is, you can do this here, but you can't do it with Owen Benjamin, which flies in the face of all of our values, which is a hilarious thing to say given my occupation as a troll on Twitter and our capacity and dangerous. But believe it or not, we do have values, and those values fly in the face of this culture.

[Top]

No, no, we have actual values.

[David]

Actual values.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Top]

I'm not going to. I'm not going to do that the same way I wasn't going to cancel Revenge of the Cyst for to have Owen Benjamin on my store. This was something that was a while ago where these two guys didn't get along rightfully. So I think Mer was, I think, doxing Owen Benjamin at the time because he's real piece of. And Owen said.

[Clint]

I just want to clarify. I have no idea if that's true, but go ahead.

[Top]

No, that is. Does. That's what Owen told me. So I guess the situation was like, hey, I can't be associated with these people. You know that there's going to be a grip of cash coming from Owen Benjamin Merch, which is something that I'd love to be associated and love to make. And I just simply told Owen, I'm not going to cancel these guys to have you on. They were here. It's not how I operate.

[David]

Right.

[Top]

And that's not how I operate. It's not how I ever will operate.

[David]

So the same energy is here. We're not going to do this event with Owen Benjamin. We're not going to say, hey, we purport to be dangerous and we purport to fly in the face of these, you know, cancel culture faggots.

[Top]

Well, because the thing is, it's like I've looked at. I've looked at, like, what Owen has done and what he's done before, and I'm like, it's nothing I wouldn't have done. I mean, not as good. Obviously, it's not going to be as funny.

[Clint]

Here's. Here's the truth, too. The. The headliner for Day one currently has a closing bit where he drops an end bomb. So if we. If we back out on Owen, then it just becomes, all right, now, Tripoli is beyond the pale, and then they figure out that Toad was canceled for covering Hal Hitler. And then. And then it's you know, it's tops Twitter and then it's, I don't know, whatever my political beliefs are. And oh, I've had articles written up about me from the splc. They could find other reasons. So, yeah, it's just we need to have, we need to basically hold the line, use, use the context. We have to see if we can still get this venue to function for us. And if it can't, then we know that we've made a mistake and this town's not for us.

[David]

And we're being forced to ask the question, which I almost enjoy. I don't enjoy that this is happening, but I love the fact that we are at this crossroads where it's, do we, are we trying to do this thing because there's money in it and it's fun or are we trying to affect the culture?

[Top]

Both.

[David]

Well, listen, but now we're being forced to decide between those two, right?

[Top]

Yeah. No, this is not about money for me. It's never been about money for me. This is the craziest thing.

[Clint]

Like we, and I've been telling you for years that the money will come as a consequence of us not focusing on the money.

[David]

Right.

[Top]

The money has come as a consequence of me not focusing on it.

[Clint]

Right. But I'm just, I'm just saying the more we don't focus on the money, the more the money will come.

[Top]

Yeah, so I understand that.

[Clint]

Don't focus on the money.

[David]

This is short term versus long term. Because if it's long term, we have an opportunity here to move the dial in the favor of a culture that we want to see.

[Clint]

Right, but my point is like, yes, I agree with Top. Like, I'm not doing it for the money either. Gotta hit the button, Doug.

[Top]

Sorry.

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[Clint]

I, I agree with Top. I'm not focused on the money. Obviously I'm not focused on the money. I could be doing another career that I make 50 times what I make on this. But it's just that there is a benefit to this being a revenue producing enterprise in that we can do cooler and bigger things and, and shift and move the culture in a lot of different ways and we can actually start to compete with some of the people that are at the highest levels of what we do, but aren't as good or aren't as, I don't know, risk taking as we are. So that's. That's what I would like to do. And that's the reason I would like for this to be profitable at some point. But at this point, I think it's just, like, we just got to hold the line and see if we can make it happen or not.

[David]

Right?

[Top]

It's. I mean, it's going to happen. It's just. It's a major bummer because the infrastructure there was ideal for so good what we wanted to do. It would have brought an air of legitimacy. The other options are more like comedy clubs, just standard sets. And they're nice, but they're not going to be as nice. They're not going to be in a town. But, you know, and.

[Clint]

And, I mean, what's really sad is that this venue was so perfect in that there's a bar right across the street. There's a restaurant right across the street. We had already negotiated, you know, a cut off of the room that was allowed for 75 additional people so that we could have a VIP section. So everybody that paid for VIP tickets got. Got to come and have dinner with us and drinks after the events, and it's like. It's just all perfect. If we can still make this venue work, it is ideal, but it's just. I'm not going to cave on what we're doing.

[David]

Right. So, I mean, one of the things that's really going for us, though, is we're kind of blessed that a lot of really cool people want to see as much as we want to see this happen. There's a lot of people, especially on Twitter, that want to see this thing happen.

[Clint]

It's amazing.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

I mean, the fact that Milo Yiannopoulos just reaches out yesterday and says, hey, I would like to attend. You're like, I would like you to attend, too, Milo. I mean, I just. I just want people to understand. Know from my vantage point, I don't know if you guys have the same relationship with Milo that I do, but I remember Milo coming out of Nowhere in, like, 20, 15, 16, and I was just. I was so. And that's gonna sound. I was so enamored with him. I just.

[Top]

Right, me too.

[Clint]

I just. I just loved his energy. I mean, his elocution, the. The way he. He goes after people.

[David]

Make that up.

[Clint]

No, it's a real word.

[Top]

That's a real word. This guy. This guy actually knows words.

[Clint]

Yeah, I'm like a. I'm like an American Milo. Oh, my God. David's actually. David's actually looking this up right now.

[David]

This. The skill of clear and Expressive speech, especially of distinct pronunciation and articulation.

[Top]

Okay, nailed it.

[Clint]

It's a perfect utilization of that word. My verbiage is just profound. Anyways, I just remember seeing him and he really. I wouldn't say that he inspired me into the podcast world, but he certainly.

[Top]

He's not in. He's not in the podcast world. He's. He circles around it, but he's inspired me to, like, do this thing like when. When I told.

[Clint]

But. But I'm saying, like the cutting. The cutting edge political commentary. He definitely inspired me in that arena because he was just like, I'm going to say things that are taboo.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

I'm going to push the envelope. Like, I just remember when he was on Bill Maher a couple times and I was just like, dude, this guy is.

[David]

And he was doing it when it was. I would argue that the culture is shifting. It's a little bit less dangerous. He was doing it smack dead in the center of this in the middle of Cancel Cult.

[Clint]

He was doing it in 2016, 17, 18. Like, you don't. That is the apex of the Cancel mob.

[David]

Yeah. So, I mean, we have that going for us.

[Top]

A lot of people want. I was supposed to send him a dangerous shirt, which.

[Clint]

Oh, you should do that.

[Top]

I forgot. I'm so busy with so many things.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top]

I'm so busy planning this theater that doesn't exist anymore. And now I have to regroup. 17 days. Well, look, figure it out.

[David]

I don't want to. And I don't think we are going to give this up without a fight. You know what I mean? So we have an alternative venue to fall back on, which means we're going to have our work cut out for us. It's grind time. It's 17 days before the event, but we're waiting right now on bated breath for, you know, basically whatever support we might have to pull this in the direction that we want to go. And if this doesn't go in the direction that we want to go, well, I mean, you know, we got a fight on our hands and we got to pipe up. So I don't know what this is going to look like going forward for the next week or two. But if this doesn't stay the way that we want it to stay, then we're not just laying down and taking this. And for those people who are going to say things as. People said the same when it happened to Toad, it's like, oh, you thought that you were going to do something offensive and now you're surprised. No, we didn't not surprise the.

[Top]

The idea of this. It's not just comedy. Half of it's comedy because that's half of what we do.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top]

The first half, I think, is actually the most dangerous to these people. And it's like a. We're talking about these higher entities at work. We're talking about actual serious things that affect people. And I, you know, Clint might not be in this world, but there's a lot of people that are in this world. Yeah, we. We have a doc. We have a guy that's. We're gonna film a documentary specifically about it. But. Although now that documentary might shift.

[Clint]

I mean, wait, what world am I not in?

[David]

Well, just for the listeners who may not be aware, the first day of Bohemian Grove, that's going to be themed.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

But it was going to be about people's encounters with these entities. These entities as they appear historically throughout different cultures, and then how these entities connect to the modern day UFO phenomenon and the abduction phenomenon. And it's something that's really important to us.

[Top]

More important than this? This is a. This is a distraction, in my opinion. What I do with the comedy is release valve.

[David]

Yes. It was almost going to be like, here's all this really harrowing. But don't worry, tomorrow we're going to laugh about it.

[Top]

We're going to laugh about it. We're going to say the things that, you know, that you're not allowed to say, because what does it really matter in the end? We just spoke about the most important thing in the world. We're talking about the end of the world. We're talking about the entities that persuade and persist and push people to do these things which, I mean, you're talking about. What kind of entities do you think persuaded Glenn Greenwald to do what he's doing? I know, I know you disagree, Clint, but listen, I don't disagree that what.

[Clint]

He did was fucked up. I just. I think that there are times when the culture war or it's valuable to fight, and I think there are times when it's counterproductive. And I think that Glenn Greenwald's a good example of someone that. When you realize why that came out, not to say that what he did was okay. It's far from okay.

[David]

Oh, sure. But the timing.

[Clint]

But the timing of it, given the fact that broke literally the day that he was recording with Tucker Carlson.

[David]

Crazy.

[Clint]

And then his interview with Tucker Carlson came out a few hours later, I just don't think that's coincidental. And I think that the culture warriors that attack him in that moment are. Are feeding into the enemy's hands.

[Top]

There's a lot. There's a lot going on there. There's definitely opportunism, opportunistic behavior that they're going to try and, like, take him out for their own reasons, whether they think that they want to be that next journalist or they secretly hate people or whatever. I just think. I think maybe we could just say both, like, hey, man, great work. I like the way you wrote, but you probably shouldn't have kids, man. It's like, you're doing. You're doing.

[Clint]

I think that's fair. I just don't think that now's the time for that. Yeah, that's. That's all I' he did retweet.

[Top]

Like, listen. He retweeted it, and he's like, I'm proud of what I. The whole thing's a mess.

[Clint]

Yeah, no, he. He played it poorly. I. I would have said, you know, what I do in my private life is, you know, arguably not ideal or something. Something other than saying you're proud of. It was just like, bro, yeah, well, that's.

[David]

Hey, I'm doing disgusting in that video. And I understand that you need to ask yourself why it's out right now.

[Top]

Here's a discussion that we. That, like, this is why I bring up Glenn Greenwald, because what he's doing, and this is like, the side that he is defending. He's like, this is. Even if this is my private life, like, a very libertarian stance. I'm allowed to do and run a website for male prostitutes while I have two kids, two male boys. It's like, okay, all right. But like, these same people that are on this side especially, look, it's June. You know, it's. This is month. You're gonna cancel us from. You're gonna cancel Owen Benjamin for something he said eight years ago, which is actually now factually correct. Like, it's the fact that's the real problem. That ADL article wasn't necessarily necessarily about anti Semitism. He's Jewish. He's part Jewish. The ADL article was him saying, hey, you can't do this to kids. And we're gonna say, like, slightly safe here, but you can't do a certain thing to kids. And then they jump all over it.

[David]

Hey, did you see, by the way, there's a video that's going on around right now of a moil. You know, the. The guy that does the circumcision, and he. They put the baby and he faints and he faints. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know they bite the skin off.

[Top]

Who faints? The baby?

[David]

No, the. The moil. He's like. They lay the baby on the table. He's about to do it. All the sudden, he just croaks. Dude just falls stiff as a board, backwards.

[Top]

I just. The thing is, I have a. I have a very hard time correlating like. Like, am I doing something wrong? Should I be personally convicted for knowing these people or for saying the things I say or for acting the way I act? Joking. The way I joke when I look out? And it's a stark contradiction, especially this month. Everything is the perfect video played on Twitter the other day, where it's like, here are the colors of the rainbow. They mix them all together and they. And they just wrote like, exactly. This is disgusting. This is cancelable.

[David]

You know what, though? I just want to.

[Top]

We can't. We can't say things into a microphone. It's like, okay, you know, listen, I just. I reject the premise, and I disagree, and we're just going to continue to do what we do.

[Clint]

I reject the premise.

[David]

I just want to go back and highlight that, though. You know, it's like, we're not saying we're surprised and we're not saying, woe is me. I think what we're gearing up to say, if this goes in the direction that we think it's going, like we.

[Top]

Thought, that's what you do.

[David]

You have an opportunity if you wanted to see this event, you have an opportunity if you support us, to galvanize to this. These mothers are stopping. They think they can still do this in 2025 when the culture is shifting and they don't realize the culture is shifting. And I think that we have an opportunity to ride that wave and not say, woe is me. Look what they did to us. But to once again, in the same spirit of toad, stick your middle finger up and go, you. This thing is happening. It's still happening as far as I'm concerned. If it's not happening there, it's happening somewhere else. But you're not going to stop it. We're not going to do this without Owen Benjamin. I'm compromising my values and the entire thing that I built. Whatever platform I have on.

[Top]

I mean, you live. You cannot stop this from happening. I have 10 acres. If I want to. If I really. If I really want to, this is happening no matter what, right? It was like, we'd like to do it here, but it was like one of those things where again, we'll, we'll preface it again, we'll say it again. We told you, we told you we do offensive comedy. We told you the people are, they're offensive. This is, this. But this is also what people want to see. People want to buy tickets and see these people because they're very funny. They're speaking the truth.

[David]

So people are buying tickets from all over the world. It's not even just the country.

[Top]

Norway, Costa Rica, Australia. I think someone's coming from like places in South America. London.

[David]

There's places in London people are coming from and all over the country. And when we did this last time, the owner of the venue looked around and he was like, I was talking to some of these people and I was asking them, where are you from? Where are you from? Because he thought it was locals. He thought people were coming from Florida. People were saying, Kentucky, California, Ohio, Oregon State.

[Clint]

Yeah. I mean that, that's what kills me about it. That's, that's why we don't have a choice. I mean, we're going to make it happen regardless. It's just, just in terms of ideal venue and vibe and everything. It would have been, it would have been cool.

[Top]

Yeah. This venue that, the other venue that I, that I'm going to have to set up is. It's like a comedy because it's a large one and we're blessed that he opened this one up.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top]

When he did. Because before it was 100 seater, but this one's a 500 seater. So this place is going to look not filled out at all, but. Right. You know, whereas the other one would.

[Clint]

Have been max capacity. Now we'll look like we're half.

[Top]

Yeah. The other one, we would have to do this outside. Like. But it is what it is. It's just, but it's a standard thing. This one had a stage and it's. This one had this theater. The reason why I used it and even I have a, like, again, I have a very good sense of these people. When you're talking to somebody who is diametrically opposed to you politically or culturally and you just get that feeling from them. Like, I gotta be careful what I say around this person because they'll crumble. Yeah. I just, I just know you, you know, there are markers, especially when you've been doing this as long as I've been doing it. So that was there. But it was always like, this is the reason I still set it up and went forward going in this place is because it's Ideal. Not just ideal for, like, what I'd like to see, but it's ideal for what it deserves.

[David]

Right.

[Top]

We have a. We. In my opinion, you have two of the best comedians. You've got Sam, Tripoli, and you have Owen Benjamin, who have both agreed. They don't even really get along. They've agreed to come and perform at this thing because it's special.

[Clint]

Oh.

[Top]

And because they like us, whatever that aside. But they deserve.

[Clint]

I'm saying I don't think. I don't think they do it if it's not us putting it on.

[Top]

No, no. That's true, too. But they deserve this thing to look and be the best that it could possibly be.

[Clint]

And this venue delivers that. And I think even more importantly than, you know, how it makes Owen and Sam and us feel is the fans like it would have been. I mean, and it still may be. We'll see. It would be. It would be such a special event and. And just the vibe would be like, wow, these guys really did it.

[Top]

Here's the reality of what's going on with this place in Leesburg. Leesburg is the third largest, the third fastest growing town in America.

[David]

Watermelon capital of the world.

[Top]

Watermelon capital of the world. They are pouring a ton of money into infrastructure, into apartments, into businesses, rentals, restaurants, you name it. They are building this place up to be a place that people want to visit. What type of people? Well, this is Florida. You don't come to Florida if you are. Well, I guess you do. Maybe you go to, like, south Florida if you're looking to be a New York City liberal. But in this part of Florida, you come here because this is like a rural spot. This is where. This is America. When I meet the people from central Florida and I go, they're like, my family has owned this property for 500 years or something like that. Like, these. These guys go back. This is like southern accent. This is not transparent. Transplant Florida. This is real deal Florida. They're right in the middle of it. And, you know, the people who own this place, they have a vision for it. They want to see this place be filled with young people that are thriving in a culture. What kind of culture do you want for this place? Do you want to put on plays for 30 old people or do you want to move culture. I'm talking about, like, top of the line comedians coming through into a theater that was defunct not just four months ago.

[Clint]

Right.

[Top]

You know, you could do. You could do whatever you want. This is not my. It's not My place. But.

[Clint]

Well, I mean, let's just consider what happened with Austin as a consequence of Rogan. It wasn't like for those that aren't familiar with Austin, Austin is a lib capital of Texas. It's filled with a bunch of purple hair and blue haired, you know, people that you would hate. But it didn't change the fact that Rogan went in there and you know, whether whatever you feel about Rogan's comedy, the all the up and comers that he's put on the map with that venue, what's it called, the Mothership. They're like super cancelable. Like there are many of them. Many of them are certainly by this, by this place's standards, they would be like appalled what those guys said.

[David]

Tim Dillon performs there regularly.

[Clint]

Yeah. So. But what did, what did Rogan do for Austin as a consequence of setting up shop there? It launched it in the stratosphere.

[Top]

Right.

[Clint]

So this place needs something like that. And if they don't want it. Okay.

[Top]

Yeah, Well, I guess it will just move this circus to another spot. Huge blown opportunity. And I'll be honest, I don't think it even really comes from. Comes from the.

[David]

The mayor.

[Top]

Yeah, I think he showed me an article about an ADL search that he did and that was sent by probably.

[David]

By one loan from the Internet.

[Top]

It's gonna be one guy gonna be a problem. I mean, listen, if this, if this goes out, if you're watching this right now, it means that things have went awry. And this will go out to quarter million people on Clint's side, 50,000 on mine, 10,000 on David's. I'm sure Josie will want to share this around. Owen Benjamin has quarter million as well. Sam Tripoli, I mean, Elijah Schaefer, 800,000. These are, these are not five people, Dustin. These are. This is like we're talking in the millions and we're talking about like people that are. They've given you, they have given you the responsibility of cultivating their theater. And if this does fall on your opinion, you are cultivating it incorrectly and you're going to see it's going to be not great.

[Clint]

Well, it's a, it's a huge missed opportunity. I just want to really emphasize like what Rogan did to Austin. I'm not saying we could do the same thing, but we have a chance to do a similar thing.

[David]

Yeah. Something that rhymes with it.

[Clint]

And it's just a huge mistake, man. It's a huge mistake. If you want to actually make this place known for something outside of Florida, because it's not really even known in Florida. We can make it known all over the country, if not the world.

[David]

And as much as we wanted to do this for the performers and to give them something that's legitimate, also, all these people who are coming from all over the place, they're. They're paying money to come and see us. And it would have been. And it's not dead yet, but it would have been great to have provided something that was a real experience, that was legitimate, that was professional for the people that are spending their hard earned money to travel across the country and come and see this, you know, so we'll see how it develops. I guess we're kind of really. It's. It's down to today, I think, because crunch time is such that once we get this conversation for whoever's pulling on our behalf, if it's a go, then it's a go. If it's not, we got to hit the ground running. We got to go see a new venue. We got to help this guy set it up. We got to announce and change everything. And we also got to put this out.

[Clint]

I'll be at Freedom Fest. No, no, This. I mean, it matters. I'll be at Freedom Fest June 11th through the 14th, which is like, right in between now and Brogrove. I'm not going to share it. Okay. And the reason I'm bringing that up is, like, because we. We may have to reorient. I'm not going to be able to help during that period because I'm going to be spending a week to meet my nephew for the first time. Too adorable. Yeah. So that's the problem. Now I am going to do a plug, though. If you're looking to elevate your space with a touch of custom craftsmanship. Discover Pegasus on Instagram and browse on American Pegasus shop.com for top notch wood signs like the one behind me and art crafted by the creator behind the iconic part of the problem and Liberty Lockdown podcast signs. Each piece is a unique work of art that adds personality and style to any room. Also, follow AmericanWoodbro on X for exclusive updates and sneak peeks. Transform your home or studio with the distinctive touch of American Pegasus, where your ideas take shape in the world again. That's American Pegasus shop.com and you are looking at the sign behind me.

[Top]

Oh, hey, he follows me already. American Woodbro. American Pegasus.

[David]

He doesn't follow me.

[Top]

Yeah, I wonder why. He probably looked like this guy.

[David]

This guy's very.

[Top]

You do great work, dude. Yeah, yeah. Make make your glass a little stronger.

[Clint]

Yeah. Oh, no, that, that was a custom piece because he doesn't do that. I asked for it specifically because I wanted to have the graffiti look.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

And it was, it was an experiment.

[David]

That went awry, but it looked great until Al decided to body slam the thing.

[Clint]

And I don't want Al to feel bad. I know I broke half of it, he broke the other half. Now it's just permaflux.

[Top]

Al came like the top ropes, like.

[David]

Just busting his balls. Just busting his balls.

[Clint]

No, I wanna, I wanna go back to the, the Greenwald conversation.

[David]

Okay.

[Clint]

Okay. Just to go something a little bit more content besides the. In internal strife.

[David]

Right.

[Clint]

I mean, I just want to remind people, regardless of how you feel about what he's done and whether or not he should be a father, whether or not those kids should be taken from him, whatever your, your beef is in that regard. This dude risked his life to get out the biggest story in our lifetimes, as far as I'm concerned, which was the Snowden Leagues. He also was involved with the release of much of Julian Assange's stuff. I don't know what role he played in the, the X drops, but regardless, he was given. He was, he was one of them. Okay.

[Top]

He was one of the people.

[Clint]

Okay. So I mean, those are, I mean, setting aside the X stuff, which is very important to us, I don't know how important it was worldwide, but I'm telling you, man, there's, there's just, there's certain things and risks that people take that I'm like, I'm just never gonna, I'm never gonna abandon you fully after you've, like, if you risk your life, I just can't, I can't ever give that up entirely. And I think that it's very short sighted because like, if you do that, if you're just like, all right, what have you done for me lately? Or you're, you know, you do like, we don't know that he's inappropriate with his kids. He could be a really good father. We don't know. Okay. We can, you can make the head nod. You don't know though, I mean, do you. How do you know?

[Top]

I'll just say statistically, like if again, it's. I don't know. I don't know. But if we're, if we're going to paint a broad brush, it's not a good look, man. And.

[Clint]

Well, I'm not saying it's a good look. I'm saying specifically it's a bad. Look, I'm just saying we don't know that he's done anything untoward with his children. There's been a lot of allegations from people online that just see these. You know, the video of him with the hookers, and then they juxtapose that of him with his kids in the Jacuzzi, and they're like, oh, you know, obviously, this doesn't look good.

[Top]

But, yeah, listen, the picture of the kids in the Jacuzzi, I didn't look at it like, he did something with those kids.

[Clint]

A lot. A lot of people are posting.

[David]

No, but at the minimum, he's exposing these children to concepts that are gonna flavor their future.

[Top]

Whatever. What I looked at, it was like, damn, he's got two young boys. Like, then I said, no way. No, this is not. Well, let's pick it up. Hello? Hello? Oh, one second, maybe.

[Clint]

Well, hello?

[Top]

Can you hear me? No. Okay.

[Clint]

What is that for?

[Top]

I don't know that. We'll. We'll edit that out. That was somebody. I thought it was. It might have been Tom, but this. Yeah, this is. I. I have it connected to.

[David]

Oh, that's funny. So it could actually have had his.

[Top]

It would have just straight through there.

[David]

Through the years without his consent.

[Clint]

Wait, your phone is cooked up. Hooked up to the Rodecaster.

[David]

Pretty cool.

[Clint]

Pretty neat.

[Top]

That's pretty cool times, Clint.

[David]

I wonder if mine does.

[Top]

Listen, what I was saying about Greenwald is that is. Yeah, I just saw a picture, and I was like, he's got kids, and then he's involved with this degenerate stuff. I think what it. What it is to me is, like, this is just a larger message about homosexuality in general, where it's like, even if they are on your side ideologically, which he was also playing, this stuff was like, well, what about Trump? And I was like, well, adolescent man. I think that there's a big difference. Like, when you start when you're into this kind of really degenerate stuff, I. It is hard for me to look at. You were like, good work, dude. Nice reporting.

[Clint]

But hold on. I mean, I'm not saying it's the same thing, but are you gonna say that Trump sleeping with and paying her hush money? I mean, not an adult actor, a porn star, while he's married. And he's also been divorced and remarried countless times. There's also allegations of him with the Epstein stuff. So it's like. I'm just saying, we. We have as much evidence of his depravity other than the drug use.

[David]

Right.

[Clint]

As we do with Greenwald. It's just. It happens a male as opposed to a female one.

[Top]

So day one of Bohemian Grove. We're talking about levels of sexual immorality, fornication, being one. Fornication is like a spiritual sexual sin. Having sex out of marriage. Awful. Yeah. All bad things. When we're talking about it's not out of marriage.

[Clint]

It's in marriage with someone who's not your partner.

[David]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Top]

Horrifying. Infidelity.

[David]

Infidelity.

[Clint]

Horrible.

[Top]

When we're talking about, like, what Glenn Greenwald is taking part of, where it's like, there's not even a chance of procreation. It's just, like, completely incorrect. The vector of disease.

[Clint]

He got two kids from doing that. So, yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying.

[David]

A couple of little ass homunculi running around.

[Top]

It's. Again, I think I'm just being realistic about what it is. Like, we. We get to see people doing a lot of different things. But Milo has also nailed this stance where it's like, well, take a look at what this actually is. And he's telling you what it is. He's also telling you, like, this is pretty standard. This is probably tame. It's like a pipe and a black. I'm like, this is wild.

[Clint]

And spitting on you and looking it up off the floor.

[David]

Oh, God.

[Top]

Okay, like, listen, all this stuff. Can we at least. Like, it's very hard for me to separate your work from this thing that you're doing. How much of your work is tainted behind this? Like, you're writing, like, what kind of spiritual, weird entities are inside of you, saying, like, yeah, wear the maid outfit.

[Clint]

I don't think that's a fair analysis. I mean, there's so many. There's so many artists in different arenas, from painters to musicians to former politicians and warlords and people that have changed the course of history that were absolutely pieces of. In their personal lives.

[Top]

This is what we've discovered on Nephilim Death Squad number one day, very important. Be there. We're talking about this Hitler. Okay? Hitler. Most of the things that he did. He says, I do not move unless the voice tells me to. He called the voice Providence.

[David]

Dude had a disembodied voice that would literally guide him.

[Top]

What to do?

[Clint]

Schizophrenia.

[David]

Yeah, right.

[Top]

But what is schizophrenia? This is it.

[David]

Now we have Dr. Jerry Marzinski, actually.

[Top]

Artwork. Artwork. Most of the artwork comes from things that they called muses. I actually spoke with a lady in St. Thomas. I have her TikTok here. Where she is writing. She's doing this really cool, like, mandala looking artwork. And then all of a sudden, super dope artwork. She starts, like, around the edges of it, it's all, like, very busy. And she starts writing in what looks like ancient Enochian, angelic language. I'm sitting, I'm standing next to this lady in front of a portrait of Zeus and like a. What do they call that? The fiery. The fiery bird.

[David]

Oh, Phoenix.

[Top]

Yeah, it's like Zeus and a phoenix. And it's like all kinds of esoteric. There's like one of those ankhs and all kinds of weird.

[David]

Isn't she not looking either? Like, as she's doing it?

[Top]

She's not looking yet. So I'm like, well, what are you doing? And she's like, oh, I'm channeling. I said, how do you channel? Are you using DMT mushrooms, using. No, I'm using music. Binaural Beats. The same thing that they use a call in aliens. If you download the app for the CE5 app, the CE5 app, which is a. Steven Greer's app, he's documenting people that are calling in aliens. There's this function within the app that is a binaural beats function which helps you meditate, channel, and call these things. And she's using this to channel to do artwork. So for me, when I'm looking at artwork that's inspired music, that's inspired journalism, that's inspired anything, I'm, like, there right now. I am inspired by something to speak to you in this manner. I'd like to believe that it's God and the Holy Spirit. That's what I asked to fill myself. Even though, again, yes, we can get very dark about some of the things I say, but I say these things in jest, and I think they need to be said. But that's another conversation. These people, I don't know what is flowing through them, but I see what's coming out of them and I'm suspicious when I see. So I will see a lot of Glenn Greenwald's work, but then I'm seeing him behind the scenes. I don't think you can really separate that. That type of a person from his work. Like, what are you doing? Is this act?

[Clint]

I don't agree. I just don't agree. You're telling me that there's never been anybody who's done something good for the world who lived like, a piece of.

[Top]

Sure.

[Clint]

Okay, well, then how are you certain that that's not Glenn Greenwald, that his work is actually Good. And it's driven by the better instincts of humanity. And at home, he's a lunatic.

[Top]

I don't think you could really separate the two.

[Clint]

Yeah, but you just said that there are examples. You're sure that there are examples of that happening in history, so why can that not be the case?

[David]

No, I think I do agree with Clint in the sense that God does use everybody.

[Top]

Flawed individuals to do certain things.

[David]

Right.

[Top]

But this is like a specific. It's also not just a Florida.

[Clint]

Would you, Would you rather not know that? The. I mean, libertarians, we already all knew it kind of in our gut, but he informed everybody, the normies, that like, yeah, the government is spying on you. Every single communication they have, entire operations, the entire NSA is, is functioning in unconstitutionally legal, a moral way. Is that not valuable?

[Top]

Well, this is my argument.

[Clint]

Yes, it's clearly valuable. And, and I'm not going to forget that just because you get spit on by black hookers.

[Top]

I'll be honest with you, I could barely read. Never read a word this guy wrote. I knew that. So it's like, very valuable. Thanks for telling it to me. But, like, we already knew this.

[Clint]

No, that's not fair because you're, again, you're doing it based off of your own, Your own knowledge, as opposed to what impact did that have on the culture? What. What impact did that have on the voting populace? And I, and I would, I would argue that in some ways, I mean, this. A lot of people give Ron Paul credit for the rise of Donald Trump. I think Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange, they all created that populist energy that was like, everybody ruling over us is a deceitful, lying, terrible, immoral human being. And he played a big role in that, and that was valuable. So I just think people are. They're diminishing it at their own peril.

[David]

I will say anecdotally that there's value in it, but I agree with Toppin that it's hard for me. I'm saying it because I assume there's value when you wake up these dumbasses. But they're not telling me or any of us who are in this realm anything that we already did. Well, even with the Twitter files, when you revealed to us that the intelligence agencies are in bed with these, you know, giant corporations and these social media companies, it's like, you know, that was a big reveal for some people, and I don't know what to make of those people, honestly.

[Clint]

Basically, what you guys are arguing right now is that what you have to say isn't valuable because what you're doing is. You're conveying a message that wakes up a lot of people. So you're. This is just a totally self defeating argument that because we already knew this, there's no value in it.

[David]

I would say that it's a self defeating argument if I set out to wake people up. But even on Sam Tripley's episode, I just said that I have no intention of waking people up. And I do this for the love of the truth. You're watching me explore these concepts in real time for my own interests.

[Top]

That's like. That's also being like Kurt with what. What he's doing there as well, because I'd like to downplay it because I don't want this influence out there. I do what I do because I want to.

[Clint]

See, I'm not even saying whether or not you desire it. I'm saying, is it useful? I'm just saying it's wrong. What you're saying is objectively wrong. That there is no value in normies getting to know what we know. There's obvious value in that.

[Top]

There is.

[Clint]

And Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden and Julian Assange played a massive role in waking up and red pilling millions, if not billions of people. So it means something also, like, maybe.

[Top]

Let'S ask some questions, some weird conspiratorial questions. Why this guy? Why him release this? Like, tons of people have said this. How come you didn't go viral saying this? You said the same exact thing. Why not?

[Clint]

Well, Edward Snowden reached out to him because of, I think, his work at the Intercept. I'd have to go back and figure out all of the history, but he trusted him. Based off of some prior journalism he had done that was like, very critical of the government and privacy and like spying operations and like that. So he needed to go to a journalist, and he went to him. I don't know.

[Top]

Great. That's. That's fine. I mean, listen, okay. The information got out there. I think that this information could have gotten out there just by. By just about anybody. He did it. That's fine. It's hard for me to separate. Not just separate, but then, like, ignore the cultural push of what he. Because it's, it's not just that he's doing this thing. If you're doing this thing in private, I'm. I'm like just whatever.

[Clint]

But it was.

[Top]

I know, but just. Okay, this is how I feel about it. Be honest with you. Ugh. Go over there. I'M not gonna form a mob against you. I'm not gonna. But just, like, for real, like, this is what it is. This is the, like, what we saw. What you saw in those videos, what you saw in those pictures. Well, Thomas, let's do it. Hello? Sorry. Hello, Tom. Yep. How's it going?

[Clint]

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. You got to see the inside track as we negotiated our fate. So we'll see what happens.

[Top]

Man, this is crazy.

[David]

It is crazy. I didn't want to. I'm like, let me. I haven't even introduced myself to the guy. I'm not going to pipe up and freak him out that I'm also here.

[Clint]

Yeah. I mean, I've had very lengthy conversations with him, so I. The reason.

[David]

Sounds like he gets it.

[Clint]

Yeah. The reason I wanted to talk is because, you know, he knows that this is. This involves me, too, and I moved out here for this, and he knew exactly where I was coming from. And it's like, hey, if you. If this isn't a fit, then it's not a fit. But you said it was a fit, so.

[David]

Sounds like.

[Clint]

Is it a fit?

[David]

It sounds like a Dustin thing. Not gonna lie. Just based off of that, the whole softmare conversation and everything, it sounds like it. It's him making a call and, you know, I'd be interested to see. I mean, I'd like to talk to him.

[Clint]

I don't care who it is. I just want to know who it is so I can actually even get an answer, because I don't do this diffusion of responsibility where you just pass the buck to, oh, it's not me. It's, you know.

[David]

Right, right.

[Top]

It's very gay. The entire thing is very gay. Like, and this is what I've been telling you as. As, like, dealing the dealings with him. I'm like, listen, what are you doing? Like, yes or no? Even the people underneath you, the comic book store. I was like, I'm bringing people here, yes or no, but they're giving me the answers. And I was like, is this along ideological lines? Because it's funny, too, because if I would have. If I'm in charge of that venue or own this town, my. Well, what I would say to you is, like, I'm not gonna allow any of this. Shut up. Like, I'll do whatever you want. Do whatever you want here. You know? Like, that's like, really what I. What I feel like. Unless you're having, you know, Glenn Greenwald stuff with your kid.

[David]

No, no, I. I said it didn't bode. Well, when we knocked on the door and, you know, some sort of young chick with green hair opened the door and said, one second, please. And I said, ooh. And then, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you, I, I, I know when the message was passed along right after that, she kept trying to be within earshot. And I, you know, I, that's not to say that she had any nefarious purpose in it, but it does strike me as like, oh, she wants to know, she wants to know if this, if these bad guys got canceled, if these anti Semites got canceled, if these racists got canceled. That's what it felt like to me.

[Clint]

But I didn't catch that energy at all. But I'll take your word for it. I don't know.

[Top]

It doesn't matter. So, all right, there you have people. We have a phone call on. We're not going to stay.

[David]

No, we're not going to stream for an hour. But, you know, at least we'll know by the end of the day. It seems that way.

[Clint]

Yeah, we should know.

[David]

I guess we should stick around because if he says in an hour, look, go talk to the guy, then we're going to have to be here to do it.

[Top]

I mean, he could, I think he could do very well with the phone call.

[David]

Touche.

[Top]

Yeah. I'm supposed to bend over backwards because you're doing them here. Like, I don't know what to tell you, dude.

[Clint]

No, just a phone call should be more than enough.

[Top]

A text message. Yes or no? Do you want to, you want to do this or not?

[Clint]

Yeah, I mean, we're not talking about Israel. I don't even know why this is an issue.

[David]

It's just because of the whole Owen thing. It's just because of the ADL article. Because, you know, if you, if you look at what we're doing, we're not doing that.

[Clint]

No, that's not the content of this event. But I'm also not going to limit what we talk about. If comes up, it comes up.

[David]

No. Yeah. If we're told you can do this, but you can't say X, Y and Z.

[Clint]

Like if right before the event happens, Israel goes to war with Iran, like, you think I'm not going to talk about it.

[Top]

Yeah, like, I'm not going to talk about it. I don't care. That's the craziest part. Like, you might not talk about it.

[Clint]

That's not the, that's not the point, though. It's like it comes up. There's comedic angles that I'm not going to cut myself off from any comedic angle ever.

[David]

Yeah. I'm not going to have any of our performers come on stage and I'm going to go, hey, just don't talk about this and don't talk about that.

[Clint]

That's. That's what I'm saying.

[David]

Not doing that because I, you know, I don't give it. I'm not going to end up talking about anything that I wouldn't naturally talk about, but I'm not going to restrict anybody else.

[Clint]

What if Israel drops a nuke and we're like, oh, can't say anything?

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

It's like, this is retarded.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

I'm not doing that.

[Top]

It would actually be funnier to not say anything. To just be like, well, there's something happening.

[David]

I'm going to self immolate.

[Top]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[David]

All right.

[Top]

Very fun. Very, very gay. Cannot express how gay.

[David]

Big business, baby.

[Top]

Big business. Meeting adjourned.

[Clint]

So, yeah, if you guys want to see me June 11th through the 14th, freedom fest in Palm Springs. I don't know if it's sold out or not. If it's not, then come say hi. I'll be doing a panel with.

[Top]

They're getting canceled. They're getting canceled, too.

[Clint]

No.

[Top]

Okay, good for them.

[Clint]

Definitely not. They're pretty safe, which is why I rarely get invited. But, yeah, I'll be doing a panel with Brett Weinstein and Angela McCardell on Saturday. So that will be the. The big, big thing for me being there. But other than that, I'll just be manning the Mises caucus table, most likely.

[Top]

Great. All right. I think. I don't know. All right, let's end it here.

[David]

All right.

[Clint]

All right. Bye, guys.

[David]

Bye.

[Top]

Bye.

[Clint]

See ya.

[Top]

Sam.