We Fet Freaky w/ Tommy Cullum

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: We Fet Freaky w/ Tommy Cullum

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad
Hosts: David Lee Corbo, TopLobsta
Guest: Tommy Cullum (Let’s Get Freaky Podcast)
Date: March 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode explores supernatural, paranormal, and conspiratorial phenomena through a biblical and comedic lens, featuring guest Tommy Cullum of the Let’s Get Freaky podcast. The conversation weaves personal experiences, current events, biblical prophecy, and the mechanics of spiritual warfare, all flavored with signature humor and skepticism. The group discusses increasing paranormal activity, connections between U.S. and U.K. sociopolitical climates, the manipulation of prophecy, UFO sightings, spiritual attacks, the deceptive nature of entities, and the responsibilities of being "watchers" in these strange times.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction & Tommy Cullum's Background

• [04:32] Tommy introduces "Let’s Get Freaky": A podcast exploring ghosts, cryptids, UFOs, and conspiracies through personal testimonies.
• [04:32] Tommy Cullum: “I get some cool guests on who share their experiences and their work within the paranormal and the supernatural. And, yeah, we get freaky, man!”

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2. Masks, Media Manipulation, and Political Distortions

• [05:10] Commentary begins on modern-day media fakery and political distrust (Jim Carrey “promo,” Biden mask rumors).
• [07:44] Co-host: "We don't know what's real. Like, if you would have showed me this a few years ago, I'd be like, damn, that's crazy."

Notable Moment

• [07:53] David: “I think it's pretty obvious that he was wearing a mask all throughout.” (Regarding Biden conspiracy memes)

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3. Free Speech, UK/US Societal Issues & Global Control

• [08:30] Tommy describes UK’s clampdown on free speech and rise in knife crime:
  • “You should be able to tweet what you want to tweet about it. I think that's ridiculous that people are arrested for opinions.”
• [09:56] Shared sense of government acting “against its people," both in the UK and US.
• [10:22] David frames civil unrest and engineered chaos as precursors to an authoritarian New World Order.
• [13:02] The hosts express relief about living in Florida ("just bought a new gun case") versus societal decline elsewhere.

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4. The Mechanism of Manufactured Prophecy

Viral Military Memo Segment

• [14:45] Dissident Media leaks alleged emails from active duty military warning that leaders are framing current conflict with Iran as fulfillment of Armageddon prophecy.
• [16:24] David: “He specifically referenced... the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ... President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon...”
• [17:19] Co-host: “It's funny, like, the angle that they take. It's like, I just don't want to be Christian.”

Analysis

• [18:17] Tommy: “If that's a true legit email... that is wild. We are gonna have some wild times.”
• [21:35] David: “Within this war thing and this Israel thing, the alien thing is going to be... in lockstep with it. Step one, war. Step two, alien intervention. Step three, alien savior figures.”

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5. Spiritual/Supernatural Warfare and Escalation of Activity

The "Veil is Thinning" Discussion

• [26:39] Co-host: “Your podcast focuses a lot on the testimony of people who are seeing crazy stuff. Have you been hearing more?”
• [28:52] Tommy: “I've noticed upticks of activity that I call spiritual attacks, moments, waves… We are in a spiritual world and I think it’s something to do with being more open to it.”

Host Family Experiences: Dreams, Mimicry, and Demonic Encounters

• [34:16] David shares a dream: “Some Nephilimized version of my son...unbelievably tall with a giant head, long, lanky arms, long... a horrifying smile.”

Spiritual Defense

• [38:58] David: “I don't think these things have any power. They need you to be afraid...They want fear. Ultimately, they want worship, but they’ll take fear primarily.”

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6. Patterns, Permission, and the Mimicry of Entities

• [43:25] Tommy details “mimic” events in his home, including his wife hearing him call her name when he wasn’t there.
• [47:23] Tommy: “I am scared of the dark. This sounds pathetic, but because of the things I’ve experienced, I can't lay in the dark on my own.”
• [50:50] David: “I’m convinced it is just something masquerading...it wants you to perceive it as [someone familiar]...when you interact with it, you give it a series of permissions.”

Notable Quote

• [53:07] Co-host recites from Phantom of the Opera: "'Masquerade, paper faces on parade... look around, there's another mask behind you.'"

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7. Psychological Warfare, Emotional Vulnerability, and Trauma

• [54:50] David: “If you give in to [anger], it can lead to traumatizing childhood experiences...and that trauma is the doorway that they use.”

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8. Manifestation and Contagion via Testimony and Technology

• [61:49] Tommy shares: After a guest says, “they might come over to see you now,” the house’s lights start behaving anomalously.
  • “I used to think, okay, I’m talking to people…[over] the computer, it can’t get through. But I think that’s how they move, dog.” — [62:36] Co-host
• [64:25] Tommy’s dog reacts violently to some unseen presence, reinforcing the link between heightened spiritual activity and household chaos.

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9. Sound, Frequency, and the Physical Manifestation of Entities

• [66:33] David, referencing another podcast guest (Nathaniel Gillis): “They saw the item that had dropped was not capable of making that noise...frequency... is the mode in which they interact with the physical realm.”

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10. UFO Sightings & The Nature of Perception

Tommy’s UFO Stories

• [80:07] Shares story of seeing a “futuristic building...like you’d see in Dubai” floating in the sky as a 14-year-old; confirmed later by his brother.
  • [83:51] Tommy: “My brother rung me up...He said, I enjoyed it, bro. What was that thing we saw that day?”
• [84:19] Hosts and Tommy discuss the “amnesia” or suppression of memory that often follows UFO sightings.
  • [85:50] Co-host (re. his uncle’s UFO sighting): “You saw the most amazing thing in the world, and you don’t even give it a second thought..."

Interpretation

• [90:05] David: “Is this phenomenon making us… forget because it has the ability to manipulate our perception?"

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11. Bloodlines, Predisposition, and Targeted Experience

• [95:13] Hosts and Tommy discuss: Are repeat, cross-generational supernatural experiences a function of genetic/bloodline predisposition?

  • [98:43] David: “When people see these things... I don’t think it’s by accident... They’re revealing themselves to certain people.”

• [101:25] Indigo Child concept: “Describes children believed to possess special, unusual or supernatural traits, such as high intelligence, deep empathy, and a rebellious, anti-authoritarian nature... Which describes every single person doing a podcast right now..."

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12. Christian Framing, Deception & "Narrative Control"

• [107:34] Tommy: “For what I've experienced throughout my life, it's been more on the negative side. These experiences have not been positive… it’s been spiritual attacks.”
• [108:39] David: “I feel terrible for people that get whisked up [by 'benevolent' entities]... It’s easier when the experiences are forcibly evil; I pit myself against that thing.”
• [111:01] David: “Getting this aspect of the narrative louder and louder is important… the louder I can make it, the more grateful I am...”

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13. Role of Podcasters & The Unveiling ("Apocalypse")

• [114:31] Co-host: “Because we've kind of been haunted by this, and now we're telling people and they're opening up their eyes and we're like, is this a bad thing?”
• [118:09] Tommy: “The world seems to be catching up. More people are open to the fact that this world is a lot more stranger and wilder... And it's going to keep us talking, that's for sure. But I am enjoying it.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (by Timestamp)

• [05:10] Tommy: “Jim Carrey...was wearing my merch on the weekend. I couldn't believe it. Unbelievable.”
• [08:54] Tommy (on British Twitter arrests): “12,000 people last year got arrested for tweeting, you know. Wow. A lot of people, man... people are getting arrested for opinions.”
• [26:39] Co-host: “Have you been hearing more of these stories?”
• [34:16] David: “Some Nephilimized version of my son...a horrifying smile...hunched over because it was so tall...how many times have we heard that mimic thing?”
• [41:01] Co-host: “We should have gone on his show to tell him.”
• [43:44] Tommy: “We had a build-up of activity in our home...my wife said, you've got to stop doing this podcast.”
• [50:50] David: “There are usually heightened emotional states [when these things happen].”
• [53:07] Co-host (Phantom of the Opera lyrics): "'Masquerade. Paper faces on parade. Masquerade. Hide your face to the world so the world will never find you. Masquerade. Every face a different shade. Masquerade. Look around, there's another mask behind you.'"
• [61:49] Tommy: “She said to me, oh, they might come over to see you now... I've gone downstairs, all the lights are off... I'm like, a bit freaked out.”
• [80:07] Tommy (UFO story): “It looked like a futuristic building...pick it up, put it up in the sky and just let it float. That is literally what we were seeing.”
• [98:04] Tommy (on his Granddad’s triangular UFO): “He said this thing is literally following him through the trees...”
• [107:34] Tommy: “For what I've experienced throughout my life, it's been more on the negative side. These experiences have not been positive...it’s been spiritual attacks.”
• [121:43] Tommy (Are you having fun?): “I am having fun. Absolutely. I'm having fun. I think it's scary, but it's exciting...The world seems to be catching up, more and more people are very much open to the fact that this world is a lot more stranger and wilder than we believe it is.”

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Important Timestamps & Segments

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |---------|-------|-----------| | Podcast intro / Community humor | Busing, Bohemian Grove jokes | 03:25–04:10 | | Introduction of Tommy Cullum | Tommy’s background | 04:32–05:10 | | UK vs US free speech and crime | 08:30–11:14 | | Dissident Media / Fabricated Prophecy | Armageddon in military, Trump as Messiah | 14:45–18:17 | | Patterns of supernatural escalation | “Veil thinning”/spiritual attacks | 26:39–34:00 | | Mimics, dreams, entity deceptions | Host and guest share personal/family stories | 43:25–59:00 | | UFO encounters & "forgotten" memories | Tommy's stories, host family stories | 80:07–91:24 | | Genetics, targeting, indigo narrative | Who gets “contacted”, nature of susceptibility | 95:13–104:10 | | Christian narrative stakes | Dangers of trusting "benevolent" entities | 107:34–112:17 | | Disclosure, prophecy, role of podcasts | Cultural shift toward supernatural openness | 114:31–122:58 |

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Tone and Style

The conversation is fast, irreverent, loaded with in-jokes, self-deprecation, deadpan humor, but also earnest concern for the spiritual states of listeners. Christian concepts (spiritual warfare, biblical prophecy, deception) anchor the wild stories and speculation. Conspiratorial thinking is balanced by skepticism and a strong encouragement not to give into fear.

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Final Thoughts and Takeaways

• The hosts and guest agree that perception is being manipulated by both media and supernatural forces; the true battle is spiritual and being waged at every level.
• Experiences with the supernatural are often generational, suggest bloodline or spiritual predisposition.
• The coming months and years may see dramatic shifts in public openness to supernatural events — an “unveiling” (apocalypse) in real time.
• There is power in sharing testimony; talking about these phenomena demystifies them and robs them of power.
• The responsibility is to stay skeptical, prayerful, and connected — not succumb to fear.

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Guest & Host Plugs

• Tommy Cullum / Let’s Get Freaky
  Find on all major podcast platforms and YouTube:
  “You'll see my little ginger cartoon face with a bigfoot, an alien and a ghost. Can't miss it.” — [124:07]

Hosts: Patreon.com/nephilimdeathquad | Telegram community | TopLobsta merch

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Key Quote to Sum Up the Episode

Tommy Cullum:
“I am having fun. Absolutely... I think our... we’ve kind of always been in this moment for a long time, you know. Yeah. The world seems to be catching up, more and more people... very much open to the fact that this world is a lot more stranger and wilder than we believe it is.” [121:43]

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Stay Curious. Stay Dangerous.

Transcript

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[Tommy Cullum]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the the father of Disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. If you want to support the boys, the place to do it is patreon.com nephilim death squad. You'll gain early access to episodes and we record practically every day, so you're going to gain access to episodes daily. You'll be able to engage in the live chat, which is you can't see it. But we. The telegram community, which is busing as the. Actually, I think bus it is how you used. You describe food.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

People like hair, like me. Say busing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's probably pretty accurate. Also, you'll get unedited versions. You know, sometimes we gotta remove some stuff early. Dibs on tickets to Bohemian Grove.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I think we should stop saying that.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's that?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Bohemian Grove.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't even know what's going on

[Co-host/Interviewer]

because we have people. We still haven't nailed down a location. People are coming on Friday to see us because this week was supposed to be Bohemian Grove.

[David Lee Corbo]

So they had booked. Oh, my God. Oh, my. Oh, that's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Hang out with them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where? We'll hang out with them. That's horrifying. And they're coming to the Standard coffee shop. That's where you get discounts oftentimes. Problem. Hey, mother horse eyes. Look at that. I haven't.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, mother horse eyes. Remember the breakdown that we did on that?

[David Lee Corbo]

I. Yeah, that was a riveting breakdown. Honestly, I've been wanting to listen to the whole series again. Top lobster.com for all your great guest today. And it's also a great day to have a great guest because so many fantastic things are happening. Guys, I'd like to welcome back to the show Tommy Cullum of the let's Get Freaky podcast. Tommy, before we go any further, let's talk about what it is you do and where people can find your work.

[Tommy Cullum]

Thank you very much for having me back, guys. I am pumped. Your intro gets me going, man. I don't know what it is. I'm ready to go to battle for you guys now. Let's go. Let's go. So I've got a show. It's called let's Get Freaky. We dive into all the. The freaky topics that you can imagine. Ghosts, cryptids, UFOs, a little bit of conspiracy as well. I get some cool guests on that normally share their experiences and their work within the paranormal and the supernatural. And, yeah, we get freaky, man. What can I say? Jim Carrey. Yeah. He was wearing my merch on the weekend. I couldn't believe it. Unbelievable.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. What did you think about the Jim Carrey thing? Because it looks like right now it's. It was a promo. And. And so, you know, hats off to all of the conspiracy theorists who. Who didn't buy it when we saw him. Who didn't think that it was, you know, there. That there was something wrong.

[Tommy Cullum]

But I think they. They definitely have done that in the past with. With. Yeah, I think. I think Biden was definitely one of those, you know. Yeah, I think that's fair to say. Can I.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But I know I don't want to. I don't want to detract from what we're doing here, but. Can I show you guys a video? Please? Okay. This is. Did I. Did I upload? I think I uploaded to our Instagram, but it's probably the greatest video I've ever seen now. That's because we. We don't talk about Biden anymore.

[Tommy Cullum]

And.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And I was talking to my wife. I was like my wife to my wife. I said, hey, this was not that long ago, but we had a president too. And actually, I'd prefer that president at this point.

[David Lee Corbo]

I prefer that. The good old days. Well, you know, when you're detached, when you put some space between you and an event, that event becomes a little bit more endearing.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You gotta watch this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I haven't seen this. I've seen it making the rounds.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay, how do I play the sound? There it is. Okay.

[Tommy Cullum]

Super something. Super salad. Super Saiyan. Yeah, yeah, the soup chain thing. Raisin Son. What is it? Great.

[David Lee Corbo]

Got it.

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Super Saiyan.

[Tommy Cullum]

All seven of them, with this here dragon radar. Then I'm gonna. You put them together and you get a big orange fella, right? He gives you a coupon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Joe.

[Tommy Cullum]

No, no, it's a wish. Yeah, you get a wish and I'm gonna. I'll gonna wish for something.

[David Lee Corbo]

Joe, what are you gonna do out there tonight?

[Tommy Cullum]

I'm gonna hit him with my. My. The big purple thing. Gallic gun. Yeah, Gunk. You know what I'm talking about. What's the plan out there? Gonna use the fingers, you know, they're gonna charge up my. My special beam cam. Something. What's it called again?

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, the one special beam cannon.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, that's it. My spectacle. Being camel. Oh, my God.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'm like. I just. I said, yo, we're done. We're done with AI.

[David Lee Corbo]

God bless. AI is right, dude, I feel like I. I've never felt more joy.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't think I shut my mouth for that entire. It was just hanging over. That was fantastic. Dude. I know that's crazy. It should be disheartening, but, like, the apocalypse is going to be so cool. That's the thing, though.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

We don't know what's real. Like, if you would have showed me this a few years ago, I'd be like, damn, that's crazy. That he did that? Yeah, he definitely did, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn, dude. Oh, man. You were saying, Tommy, that, you know, this is this whole mask deal and the fact that obviously, you know, Biden was. I. I think it's pretty obvious that he was wearing a mask all throughout.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He was dead the entire time. Feet tall.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like. I like that. I liked. I. Dude, I gotta admit, I like doing that to us. I like that they go pull out the seven foot tall Joe Biden and. And roll him out.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You're in the uk. How do you feel about American politics?

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, I'm screwed. I'm just. I might have to escape the UK and come and work in your calf, if that's okay. Is that. Yeah, I would love for that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You want to come here?

[Tommy Cullum]

It's getting wild in the uk, obviously, with the free speech stuff and.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, that's true.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's going on? You guys aren't allowed to say slurs or else.

[Tommy Cullum]

Can't say anything. Can't even share.

[David Lee Corbo]

Imprisoned.

[Tommy Cullum]

I mean, I do and I've not been caught yet, but apparently with 12, 000 people last year got arrested for tweeting, you know. Wow. A lot of people, man. And it's not just tweets where it's like you're making threats towards people or, you know, you're trying to create violence, which you can kind of maybe understand a little bit, but it's opinions. People are getting arrested for opinions, you know, on immigration and things like that, which is, you know, obviously it's a touchy subject, but you should be able to tweet what you want to tweet about it. I think that's ridiculous that people are arrested for opinions. And that's been happening, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you guys are getting stabbed, aren't you?

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah. I mean, knife crime is terrible, you know, especially in London, where I'm originally from. That's the knife crime is. Is, you know, it's terror. That's why one of the reasons why I left London, to be honest, wanted to get my family away from that. It happens everywhere, unfortunately. But, yeah, knife crime's terrible. It's. It's not a good time for the uk. You know, we've got a Prime Minister. Don't want to go too deep. I mean.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I'm just saying I don't want to watch his door get kicked in and him get.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, may get pulled out mid midstream, but we got a Prime Minister that seems to hate its people, you know, is the best way to. To put it. And there's no other ways but it's not even a left or right thing anymore, you know, because most people that you talk to will agree. We've got a prime minister that is acting very strange and it doesn't seem to be in the best interest of its people. It's very worrying, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Any such cases, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

It's the situation globally. Right. I mean, you would imagine it. It almost looks as though in all first world countries, the name of the game is there's a, there's a blueprint. Everybody seems to be following it. It's a civil unrest, unmitigated immigration, you know, clamping down on freedom of speech and, and all these things, you know, in their end goal, I guess if you're looking at it through the Alex Jones lens, is, is a new world order, right, where, where these systems, you put them under enough pressure, they basically implode, they self destruct. The people facilitate a lot of the own, you know, destruction against themselves. We saw that here in the States in Black Lives Matter, where you piss people off enough and you give them pallets of bricks and you, you know, you kind of give them the shove that they need and they'll go out and they'll burn their own cities to the ground.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, they're, they're also doing it here in America too, which is. I'm like, man, like I, I kind of hope, I'm like, yeah, I hope Tommy does make it to America and, and do his thing, but what. Number one, what a tragedy because, like, that's your homeland. It sucks.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And you gotta leave. Like, I had to leave my homeland of New York because it was just getting that horrible. I think I traded up. But still, like, like there's an aspect of like I left all the things, all my family, all my, you know, my childhood, it's like, that's. But, yeah, I had no choice, but, but in America, it's, it's, it's really turning out to be like, no different. I just feel like we're the last ones. So you've got Canada, that kind of already that happened to.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's right next door. Right. I mean, that's a little bit.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You guys, South America, we're setting the precedent that we can just go there, take your president. And we did it in Iran too. But over here with the latest thing with, with Israel, I, I went viral a couple of times accidentally on Twitter. And then I saw a couple days later that if you Google Trend search your name, your name, not Top Lobster, my full name, it will come up and you can see which countries have searched it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, really?

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Guess which country searched my name.

[David Lee Corbo]

No way. Saudi Arabia.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Not Saudi Arabia.

[Tommy Cullum]

Wells.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No. Yeah, that's fascinating, but that's thousands of cases. Thousands. Anybody who's speaking against what was happening there specifically, from the angle that I was.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They're like looking at your name, so I'm like, okay, it's, it. There's a very short amount of time until whatever they're gonna do, they're gonna do so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, for now we're here.

[David Lee Corbo]

For now, well, now we're in Florida. Exactly.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Okay, thank you.

[David Lee Corbo]

I just, I just bought a new gun case last night and I, and I, I finished, you know, organizing all my stuff and I said, man, thank God that, that we live in Florida. Well, look, I mean, as far as what they're going to do and where this all leads, we might have a little bit of an indicator.

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[Tommy Cullum]

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[David Lee Corbo]

This dropped yesterday. Oh, I can't add it to stage. I gotta remove other videos so this is from the Twitter page. Dissident media says a complaint received.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

These guys rule.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, they crush. So a complaint received by the military Religious Freedom foundation alongside others from 40 different units across 30 installations, which claims that military leaders are briefing their troops that Donald Trump is commanded by God to strike Iran in order to expedite Armageddon. And, you know, this goes into something that I want to ask you after we read this, Tommy, on the topic of fabricated prophecy, but this is from active duty military NCO and MRFF clients. Email address withheld. Right. So they. They, you know, remove that. And I don't claim to know what any of those letters mean. On the subject of unit combat readiness briefing and Armageddon. This was just on March 2nd. Just on March 2nd. What's today? Today's the 4th. This was two days ago. So this morning, our commander opened up and by the way, I posted this in the Patreon last night. And the Patreon was like, what. What is. Like, what is this? This morning, our commander opened up the combat readiness status briefing by urging us not to be afraid. Fascinating. Be not afraid.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Fear not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Fear not. As to what is happening with our combat operations in Iran right now. He urged us to tell our troops that this was, quote, all part of God's divine plan. I mean, you know, I don't. God uses all things, so I'm not saying that is inaccurate.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he specifically referenced numerous citations about the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ. He said that, quote, president Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause. To cause. To cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth. He had a big grin on his face when he said all of this, which made his message seem even more crazy. Our commander would probably be described as, quote, christian First, a Christian first supporter. He has been this way for a very long time and makes it clear that he desires all of us under him to become just like him as a Christian. But what he did this morning was so toxic. I got to admit. That's. That's a gay, gay thing to say. It was very toxic to. To talk about Armageddon.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's funny, like, the angle that they take. It's like, I just don't want to be Christian. Yeah, about Armageddon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly. And over the line that it shocked many of us in attendance at the Ops Readiness briefing. Besides myself, I am reaching out to the MRFF on behalf of 15 fellow troops. I know you had asked me about the religious views of our group who had request requested help from the mrff. I can only tell you that I am Christian and at least 10 of the others are also Christian. One of the others is Jewish and one is Muslim. I don't know the religious or non religious status of the other three at this time, so. Seems pretty real. You know, all things can be fabricated at this moment. You know, it's not hard. We watched AI make Joe Biden say some really awesome things at the top of this show. Certainly not hard to fabricate in email, but it also does not seem outlandish. What do you think about that, Tommy?

[Tommy Cullum]

Well, didn't they prophesize that this would be the. The last war Was. Hasn't that. That's been prophesied? I mean if that's, if that is a true legit email. This. That is wild. And we are, we are gonna have some wild times. I know it's getting crazier by the day, but we have got some real w. It's. It's kind of scary but I mean, what, what are you guys thinking? What are your thoughts on. On. On what is coming in the next. The next day? I mean, it's hard. I don't know what to believe anymore.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Like the little Baron Trump books and the last president, the 1900 kind of thing.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It makes me think about a lot of Donnie Dark and stuff. About him being the Antichrist.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Or Donnie Darko. Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Awakened, whatever you're talking about. The black discerned Donnie.

[David Lee Corbo]

Discern.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's right.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

The black.

[Tommy Cullum]

He.

[David Lee Corbo]

He pointed out a lot of those things.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, and you know, there was a lot of talk about the Antichrist adjacent kind of. I don't know what you would call them. It's hard to call them coincidences anymore. At this point there are more than just, you know, the, the prophetic words in the Bible that point to, you know, this kind of era and this sort of war. We have a lot of new age thought leaders who are pointing to this. More interestingly to me lately at least is the prophetic words of like the lady that Chris Bledsoe has been communicating with, who says that after a skirmish with Iran and Israel that these orbs were going to come out of the ocean and they were going to themselves to us and they were going to stop, you know, this, this whole thing, which if you're looking at the UFO phenomenon for a while I've speculated that that was going to be the, the hero story.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, doesn't, doesn't all this give you pause, like, whenever you get. So we got a lot of confirmation with the Epstein files about all the things that we've been saying, and we had to go back and kind of, like, research and verify, make sure that. And. And it very well could be a lot of, like, a lot of it could just be, you know, adding fuel to the fire for us. But for, like, Boomer Zionists, they're being validated at a level that is indescribable.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

This. Especially with an email like this. So, like, they have already been painting Trump as, like, this Jesus messiah figure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yep.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They're getting all that. And now I got to sit back and look and go, was I wrong? Like, was I wrong about Trump's place? Am I wrong about Israel and their actions? I don't think I am, but I'm gonna give it a second look.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Because it's like, all that stuff is pointing in that direction, but all the people that are behind this movement that are, like, you know, very pro Trump.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And not just Israel can do no wrong, but, like. Yeah, it's fine that they're doing these things. I look at them, and you look at their rhetoric, like, I don't know, Timothy albarino about, like, UFOs and how he's. I think he's getting that completely wrong about demons, aliens, the nature of these things. So I'm like, okay, let's extrapolate that down the line. What else are you wrong about?

[David Lee Corbo]

And it's very clear that within this war thing and this Israel thing, the alien thing is going to be. It's in lockstep with it. It's like, step one, war, Step two, alien intervention. Step three, alien savior figures. You know what I mean? And so. I don't know. I mean. Well, Tommy, let me ask you this. It does appear that there is a real effort to manufacture prophecy. Just looking at that alone. I mean, if. If you want to believe that he's anointed by Jesus Christ to light the signal fires in Iran, as it was put. That's one thing. If you suspect he wasn't anointed by Christ, and. And once you remove that element, it becomes. Okay, so now you're trying to push prophecy, you're trying to fulfill prophecy. What are your thoughts on that? The idea of trying to make prophecy happen, do you think people can do that? Do you think that you can force God's hand? Where do you fall on that?

[Tommy Cullum]

I don't think you can. I mean, it's so hard to tell. I mean, I really don't know what to believe anymore, guys. I'm in that situation. I don't know what to believe. Is this all a part of God's plan? You know, it's all leading us towards, you know, I don't know. It's. It's such a tough one. I mean, we had the Epstein files drop very recently like that. You know, we, us Guys have known about the Epstein files for years, and it's been talked about on conspiracy podcasts for years and things like that. And the information has largely been out there already. Even though we're getting confirmation now, some of it's getting even darker and worse. You know, we're seeing that some of it, as you said, might not be true. But, you know, as soon as the Epstein stuff got. I think you guys even tweeted, as soon as that dropped, we were going to start seeing the wars. We were going to start seeing the alien talk again in the mainstream.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I actually have that pulled up right here. Let's pull this up on the screen. So, you know, the audience is very familiar with this, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it again. I am. I'm taking a little bit of a victory lap. So. So I at this as a script, and I always said that the Epstein files would drop once they're ready for the next scene. It's a plot device. And after it happened, I said, after the release of these files, I'm keeping an eye out for these three things. Economic collapse, alien disclosure, and Israel versus Iran. And obviously we have our alien disclosure. This was, by the way, for.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

For. Well, not just yet, but like very soft. But harder disclosure than ever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. Harder disclosure than ever. Seems like it's right on the horizon. And then, you know, we have our Israel versus Iran. This happened yesterday. Disclosed TV just in. U. S. Banks on high alert for cyber attacks after u. S. Intelligence assessment warns of Iranian attacks as war escalates. This is from Reuters. So we have even the third element, our threat on our financial system.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I will say, though, David, that's. That's a threat on like a financial system and you could hurt it. But the financial collapse, that is primed for any time they feel like it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hell, yeah. It's like they just want to hit that button.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

The way we've set up our economy at this point.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, no, I think you're 100 right about that. The way we've set it up is for the most opportunistic moment to just drop it into its own footprint.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

There was a. There was a Fascinating point. When Doge was going through the governmental system, and I don't know if you guys remember this, but they all realized that the entire financial system was, like, at this bottleneck at the very bottom. And it's this ancient. It's like this ancient computer system that was every. Every loan, every. Every dollar in and out that needs to be approved by the government. It has to go through this specific type of old code. I forget the name of it. And there are, like, a handful of people that know how to do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like speaking ancient Enochian.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And this is how our monetary system works. Like, as far as, like, the. The federal. Trillions of dollars that's being passed back and forth every day, There's a tiny bottleneck that just a couple of people handle this and not Grok. What's her name. Doge found it. The people in Doge. And Elon Musk threatened it. He's like, all you have to do is grab this and this whole thing stops.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's crazy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Then that article went away, and I'm like, oh. But, like, yeah, everybody's felt that. Like, we are on stilts.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And that is the. I think that's one of the things that you can just take and remove and this whole thing falls down. But there are many pieces to this that you can just remove it and fall down because it's a shithouse.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I think that they intend to remove those pieces. But first it was like, all right, let's give the people some Epstein files. Let's. Let's. You know, we got a little Clinton deposition. Maybe we could actually watch some of that with Tommy today. We had a Internet issue yesterday and couldn't play the videos, but it feels like it's a great. You know, apocalypse means unveiling. Right. Revealing or something to that effect. So you pull back the veil, you let people see this, they freak out, and then everything collapse after they pull it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, as. As the apocalypse is unveiling. Have you. Because your. Your podcast focuses a lot on the testimony of people that are seeing a lot of crazy stuff. Yeah, we're going to be seeing more crazy stuff. Have you. Have.

[Tommy Cullum]

Absolutely.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You've been hearing more of these stories.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah. I don't know if people are just more willing to open up about this kind of stuff because the world is getting so crazy. You know, a lot of people are turning to religions, which is great. But I have noticed an uptick.

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[Tommy Cullum]

pere. Of people getting in touch, wanting to share experiences. Which is, which is great for my podcast is what it's all about. But I think your average person has had some sort of experience. You know, it's very rare to meet someone that hasn't experienced anything. You know, even the people that say, I don't believe in this kind of stuff, they've normally had some world experience. And you're like, how can you not believe it? You've seen whatever you've seen. I, I think we're going to see an uptick. I think as people become more open to the, the wildness of this world. I think it opens you up to, to everything. And you're going to start. There's. There's a lot more going on around us that we can't see, you know, that is. That is for sure. You know, we are in a spiritual world and, and we're getting. I think it's something to do with being more open to it is when you start experiencing it. I mean, I've, I've certainly, when I started, I've. I've experienced quite a lot of weird stuff throughout my life, which is probably why I do the show that I do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Tommy Cullum]

But I have noticed in myself upticks of activity that. Because I try and debunk stuff, you know. Now, you know, because I, I get very excited about the paranormal because I do a show about paranormal. So I'm like, oh, that's wild. I try and be a little bit more skeptical, you know, as I'm getting more into this, you know, I try because there's a lot of crazy stuff. It's not all true. Right. But even I've noticed, I've noticed. I notice upsticks. I noticed like, I call them, like spiritual attacks, moments, waves, where it's like for a couple of months the family's experiencing stuff. The wife's having weird dreams, you know, and that. That. That is. That is real. You know, that. That happens. We definitely under spiritual attack. And. And I don't know if that makes sense. We're in a. We're in a. A moment where things are opening up. Where the vow is. Seems to be opening to a lot of people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I've been seeing these posts in. In my area. I don't know what to make of it because it actually has reached some family that's back, you know, closer to Tampa. Oh. And. And I was surprised because I know I follow some.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You mean the show or.

[David Lee Corbo]

No.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Spiritual Attack. These stories.

[David Lee Corbo]

These stories on.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Separate from us.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. In particular on Facebook. And I saw them because I followed, like, these groups. I want to see who's talking about, like, Dog man and Cryptids and stuff. And that's actually what big Facebook is pretty good for.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And I'd actually like to share some context with Tommy after, because I want to. I do want to get a little bit more of that. That kind of testimony on the show.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would love to. That's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's what I want to delve into because, like, we. Our show kind of went in a slightly different direction, but I'm.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm interested in, well, you know, what happens. It's like when you. When you do happen to contact someone who's had an experience, there's a huge overlap between experiencers and people that are. I don't want to call them crazy. Right. Because, well, we seem crazy, but it's like, yeah, beyond eccentric. There's a certain type of personality that when you see it, the things that it types to you, you go, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if this is a smart door to open. So. But anywho, on this Facebook community, what I was seeing for a while was, like, these posts about winged humanoid creatures back in my old neck of the woods, Pasco County. And I said, oh, that's fantastic. But I couldn't find anything on it beyond, like, the mentions. And so I just left it alone. And I would notice every time I got on Facebook, it was mounting. There was more and more and more. And I'm going, that's weird. But I follow all these groups. All of a sudden, it starts getting sent to me by other people, family members and friends back from that area. And I'm going, well, how the hell are you guys seeing this? Because this is. Maybe my algorithm's affecting their algorithm. I don't post about it. I don't like it. I don't share. I don't do any of that stuff. But you know this. There's that one author in particular who's like tackling these things and he's writing about it and he's saying like, these things are on a big upswing. And I know for us, when you look into it, you know, I think there's a real thing within this realm, let's say this demonic realm. It operates best when you don't suspect that it's there.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Don't we have a guy coming on. Sorry to interrupt. I. I think I saw a booking of a guy recently that discusses this stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, really?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, yeah, I didn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

We handle our own booking, so I don't know.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Oh, Jeff. Jeff Finnip.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what the problem is? People go by one name on a, on a thing or a show name and then they put their actual legal name and you're like, I don't know who the hell this is. Fantastic.

[Tommy Cullum]

But maybe I should have done that. I've put my real name out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you could have gone by a pseudonym or something.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Don't worry. Israel knows anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

Israel. There's no way around it, but when you look into the phenomenon, it doesn't like that. And I think it tends to. It'll do a number of things. Either it'll recede or it'll go on the attack. To dissuade you, I want to get into your stories and your experiences and also these UFO experiences you talked about. I'm going to share a quick story with the audience because they've been following for these last couple of days. We've been talking about just the strange things you and I. Tommy, before the show started, talked about the clip from the Heidi Love episode and, and that weird noise that popped up and you know, whether or not it's a. It's a relic, an audio relic of some sort or if it's something else, it does have this feminine sound to it. It sounds like a woman breathing and whispering. Very strange.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But also the episode yesterday, we do a thing, we're about to do it now, where this is a 30 minute preview and then we end the episode to the general public, but it stays on Patreon on Rumble. I ended the episode and it's completely random. Like we, we don't really pick a time, but I'm like, okay, I kick everybody out. 33 minutes, 33 seconds. On the third day of the year, the third month of the year, with a blood moon that appeared at 3:33am No I mean, you want. Yeah, I'll show it to you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's weird. I'll you that one.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I was just like.

[David Lee Corbo]

When you. You posted that, and I was like, I'm gonna ignore that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, I'm gonna just ignore.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not gonna look at that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I said every. Everything is going to plan.

[David Lee Corbo]

Everything's going according to plan.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

There's no. There's no way I could time that. Exactly. Because I go through a list of all the places we're streaming to, and

[David Lee Corbo]

when you hit end stream, there's a

[Co-host/Interviewer]

couple of seconds anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

A couple seconds. There's no way to predict, like, when it's finally going to end. So.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But it's just like. You're like, all right, that happened.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, I see that.

[Tommy Cullum]

Well. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

So last night, my wife. My wife, she has a. There it is, man. You're killing it with the buttons today, dude. And. And she's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Sorry. Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, now, you. Now, see, I should have never paid you a compliment. So she. She shares it with me this morning that she has this dream. And she says that she's back in her old apartment that she grew up in. I'm like, okay, number one, that's weird, because I think these things within this dreamscape, they'll drag you into familiar locations that are emotionally significant to you. So she's back in her old apartment, and she's married to another guy.

[Tommy Cullum]

And.

[David Lee Corbo]

And. And. But. But she still has, you know, our son. Whore. And very upset. I was like. You were what? You were what? I struck her, but only once.

[Tommy Cullum]

And.

[David Lee Corbo]

And she goes. And there was an intruder in the house in the night, and this guy refused to, like, do anything about it. He was too scared or whatever. So she gets up, and she goes to, I guess, our son's room.

[Tommy Cullum]

And.

[David Lee Corbo]

And she goes, like, you know, come. Come with us. It's okay. Like, everything's gonna be okay. There's somebody in the house. Just, like, stay. Stay hidden. And then she goes back to the bedroom, and she sees this guy. He's hiding under a blanket. And she's like, what are you doing? Like, there's somebody in the house. What are you doing? And all of a sudden, she realizes his entire chest is ripped open.

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[David Lee Corbo]

And she hears something under the bed. And so she has her gun in the dream. So she's aiming her gun at the bed, and she's like, come out. Come out from under the bed, whoever you are. Like, come out right now. And what comes out is some nephilim. Nephilimized version of My son. Oh, he's unbelievably tall with a giant head, long, lanky arms, long. And a horrifying smile. And the face is kind of twisted and. And she's having, like, all of these mixed emotions because she wants to kill it, but it has the face of our son and. But, like, the long, twisted smile, the lanky body hunched over because it was so tall. How many times have we heard that, Dude? Yeah, how many times have we heard that? Like, a mimic thing. Like, that reminds me of a very particular Merkel episode where some woman thought that it was her grandmother visiting her in her dreams. And then eventually the relationship goes awry, and grandma is long fingers, long, disgusting smile. And I said, like, I don't think that our son is. He was sharing stories with his friend a while back when he had a sleepover. And his friend is. Seems like this young, tortured kid who has all these horrifying experiences. But my son says, yeah, I've had some experiences when I was real little. But then my dad came in my room and he prayed, and he prayed over the house, and it never happened again since then. And I think, like, we really did a great job of, like, locking in whatever happened to my son, cutting it off, that generational iniquity. I think we've done a really good job of, like, creating this sanctuary. I think the house is protected, but I think my wife has this. You know, her grandmother was the local witch in Peru, and that house that she's talking about was the same place where I saw that entity that she saw and then my son saw. So there's something that, like, wants to get access to her.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Pulled her back there.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's. Yeah, it tries to. And it tries to present itself as, like, you know, our son, to kind of torture her and fill her with fear. But it's like, ma', am, I'm in the closet yesterday, and I'm. I'm looking around for, like, stuff that I want to put into my new gun case, and something falls off the shelf.

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And it's like, on the other side of the closet away from me, and I'm like, what the is going on, man? Like, something. It feels like something's trying, but I'm not afraid. You know, my wife's not afraid. My son's not afraid. I don't think these things have any power. They need you to be afraid. They need a parasitic relationship with you. They need to operate in a sneaky way where they. They try to scare you. In this dream realm, if they can't scare you, then they'll stress you out. They'll give you angry dreams or sad dreams, anything to just loosh off of it. They want fear. Ultimately, they want worship, but they want fear. And they'll take fear primarily, but they'll take, like, anger and sadness if they can get it, if they can't get the fear out of you. And so, yeah, man, I don't know if it's a matter of the thinning of the veil. I don't know if it's a matter of railing against these things on a platform like this and having these conversations. You know, these past couple of days have been real rough with the. The sort of. The technology aspects. We're talking to Nathaniel Gillis, and. And he has a coughing fit. He can't continue the show anymore. It just feels like, right crazy. And they probably. You know what it is?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They probably after the Heidi Love interference directly after. So the next episode, 20 minutes after.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm suspecting they probably have a little bit of extra energy, what with a full moon and the.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It wasn't a coughing fit. He told us a story about the guy that got picked up against the wall, and they could see a glowing hand imprint on his neck. Nathaniel Gillis drank something, and then it looked like something was choking him. Like, I'm. I'm aware of, like, when. When somebody's choking on something, his eyes are watering.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And. And now, like, you know, you're like a podcast dude. So I don't know if this ever happened to you. This is the first time it's happened to me, but we're like, okay, this interview is going great, and he's got more to say, but I'm looking at a dude that's now struggling with, like, a health issue or something wrong. And he's on. I don't know where he's at, but not here in the room with me. So I'm like, how do we bring this in for a landing? How do we, like, smooth this? It was something. It was never dealt with.

[David Lee Corbo]

It was hard.

[Tommy Cullum]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude, it was.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's been weird stuff going on in the shop.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like I said. I think it's. I think it has to do a lot with not only the way the world is going, but specifically, like, these things gain a bit of energy on full moons. And we had this additional layer. It's a blood moon. It happens at this occultic number that, you know, my understanding of the whole 33 thing is it is a mockery of Christ. And so, you know, all these things line up, and I think they just got a little extra juice. But it's still, you know, I think people shouldn't be afraid. You should be heartened in the idea of, like, look what it takes for them to do what, drop a thing off a shelf, give you a spooky dream. All they want is for you to be afraid, and that's the only thing they can work with.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So we should. We have to let Tommy talk.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I'm sorry.

[Tommy Cullum]

This is fascinating. Sorry, man.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. Yes. We should have went on his show to tell him.

[Tommy Cullum]

You guys are gonna come on these to get you guys on this. Get Free kids.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would love to do. Yes. Yes, 100.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But leading up to all this stuff, we've just been getting blapped over and over with Psalm 91.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Everywhere you go, whether it's David from the chat that's sending it to us or it's coming up randomly, or you see it on Facebook or in church. They just.

[David Lee Corbo]

The.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

The guy that used to be the. The pastor gets up real quick, and he's like, I just want to say Psalm 91. And then he, like, leaves.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Like, all right, what the Is happening now? Very strange.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, man. For sure. Every episode I do, every podcast I do, I've always got this by me. But this is. I mean, this stuff is real, man. This stuff is dangerous. I know. Sometimes we have a. We have a laugh and we have joke about this stuff, but there is a very dangerous side as well to even looking into these subjects. We know that, you know, and it definitely is spiritual attacks. There definitely is Attacks, they definitely target people, I think that focus in on some of these subjects that we do. And it's, it's definitely. And you were right, what you were saying about the, these, these entities, whatever you want to call them, living off people's fear. Because that, that is what was happening in our house. You know, it was getting to a point where my wife said to me, you've got to stop doing this paranormal show. You know, she's very supportive for me, my wife, and she's not even particularly into paranormal that much. She's a little bit, but like everyone is, but not like I am. And she was like, this is getting to a point where it's affecting our family. And I'm like, I'm not stopping the show. I love the show.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, Tommy, what kind of things? Because it takes a lot to cross that. That like, you know that line where it's like strange happenings to. This is taking a toll on the, on the family. What, what sort of things are you experiencing?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Also, is your wife, are you like telling your wife about what's happening on the show or is she just assuming?

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, I don't. We. She doesn't listen to the podcast and we don't. She's not that interested really. Yeah, she's. She's recently started going down some conspiracy rabbit holes recently. She's like, look at this. And I'm like, you, I've told you about this years ago. She's at the start. What's that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Sorry, is she on Tick Tock? Because that's what my wife is doing the same thing where she's like, yes, check this out. And I'm like, luckily I never stopped pestering my wife. So she is aware that I've been saying these things. But she is like, oh, that's interesting because now it's reaching my feed and it's. And it's, you know, to the tunes of whatever. Thousands and thousands of views on these ideas where that wasn't the case that

[Co-host/Interviewer]

long ago with my wife. Yeah, it's becoming a weird thing at her job where the girls that work, because she's kind of like their, their boss or whatever, they work under her. There's a couple of them that are fans of this show now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, really?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What the are you doing? Yeah, I'm like, I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're just talking. We're just talking.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

She's talking.

[Tommy Cullum]

We was having a build up of activity in our home. To the point, as I say, my wife said, you've got to stop doing this. Podcast.

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[Tommy Cullum]

for the ones who get it done. It was, it was stuff you mentioned, mimics earlier that's happened in this house. So my work on a number of occasions now, three occasions now that I can think of, she's heard me call her name whilst I've been at work. And, and that's, that's not good. That's never good.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's not good.

[Tommy Cullum]

And she kind of, the first time it happened she was kind of, she said she was kind of. She knows I'm at work. She's kind of like laughing about and, but thinking what the. You know, what is going on. There was a, we had one night where. So I've got two daughters and a son, little son, he's only six. And this happened not last summer, the summer before. So this, this was, there was a big build up of activity going on in our home where it was, it was getting worry, very worrying. You know, the kids were seeing things and you know, I, I protect them from this paranormal world, you know, I don't, Yeah, I don't promote my show to the kids. They can't see anything that I do. I right little things. If they saw a big, a bigfoot documentary once, it freaked my daughter out. And you know, she, she possibly. She thinks she saw something in the forest once. I was like, yeah, this is not good. Let's. Let's protect them from this kind of stuff. But they were all experiencing weird stuff, you know, not sleeping well, you know, that kind of thing. There was one night where my two daughters and my wife slept downstairs. They'd like a girl's night in the front and me and my son Was in my room. Now, I don't know if I mentioned it last time I was on the podcast. I am scared of the dark. This sounds pathetic, but because of the things I've kind of experienced, I can't lay in the dark on my own.

[David Lee Corbo]

I had that for. I had it for a really, really, really long time. And I would say that I only maybe got over that. I'm 35 now. Probably just a. Within the last five years. Within the last five years. For the very same reason.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I am so lucky that I'm going through the part of my life where my life, my life where my kids are insane. So maybe there is like poltergeist happen in my house. I don't know. I'm trying to survive, dog. I got a five year old, you

[Tommy Cullum]

know, it's like really, it's tough. Yeah. But this, this particular night. So the girls are downstairs, read to sleep, my boys next to me. I'm just like laying there and I've had. The hallway light was on, which is where a few weird things were happening in this hallway just outside our room and the kids bedroom as well. So anyway, I'm laying there, I'm trying to sleep and my boys woke up. Now he was in a dream state, so you could say he's possibly dreaming. But he looked at the door and he went, amy. And Amy's my eldest daughter. Right. And she wasn't there. It's freaked me out. I was like, fred, what. What are you saying? What have you seen? And he said, I saw Amy. And I said, what does she look like? And he's. His words were, she was all brown. That's what he said. He was, he had just woken up from sleep. But if you hear. I've heard so many people say when they see these entities and, and, and often they, they have like a brown color. It's quite a common thing that I was hearing at the time as well, you know, these elemental type entities. A lot of. I was doing a podcast where, you know, sometimes this happens when you talk to a lot of people. You get like clusters where people are saying the same kind of thing. Yeah. And it's. That's not planned, you know, that's not, that's not, you know, it. And it was just all fitting together. And my boy is now saying he's seen my daughter Brown walked past the bedroom and I was like, whoa. So this was enough to freak me out. Even though he could have been dreaming or whatever. It was enough to freak me out. I've gone downstairs. We've joined the girls party that night and we've all slept downstairs. So not told any of the other kids about this, but that same week, I got home from work and I get home from work at 1am in the morning, UK time, and the kids are always asleep. Lights are always off when I get in, but the light was on and my middle daughter was sitting at the top of the stairs. And I'm like, what's the matter, babe? What's going on? Why you up? And she was like, all freaked out. Mommy said I can sleep in your room tonight. I saw Amy walk past my bedroom door and she. It wasn't she. She's. The same week she saw my oldest daughter that wasn't there walk past in the same kind of area. And for me, that was like, oh, that's, you know, that's not a coincidence. I don't think that they both experienced the same thing in the same week when as well, there was a lot of other weird stuff going on the house. So, you know, at that time, I, I pray every day now, and I've always, I've always been a Christian myself, but I really, at that moment I was like, praying out loud, you know, in Jesus's name, leave now. And. And a few, you know, I would say, like, moments like that and this kind of stuff kind of went away a little bit, you know, but there was a lot. There was a lot of weird stuff going on. It wasn't just that there was, there was, it was, it was getting weird in the house, man, that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, you know, this phenomenon's ability to masquerade as an individual. If you look into the, the ghost phenomenon, the more you look at it, the more I'm convinced that it is just something masquerading, you know, something that wants you to perceive it as, you know, people that do ghost hunting and they go into a place and they go, this seems to be a spirit of a little boy here who died here. And it's like you look up the thing, the history of the home, and, you know, sure enough, a little kid did die there. And I go, yeah, but I don't think that that makes it the spirit of a child. I think it is a thing masquerading as a child. I think it's a thing that wants you to interact with it because when you interact with it, you give it a series of permissions and, and consent in order to interact on a higher degree with you. And eventually, you know, this thing goes from interacting with you to influencing you. And, you know, What I always find, Tommy, it's like, when these things happen, there are usually. You will find, if you look around, heightened emotional states. So there was a time, a few months back, or maybe it was a year ago now. I don't know what it was, but we were having something strange.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Can I. Can I just say, put a pin in that, because I'm. I'm very gay and I like. I like musicals, dude.

[Tommy Cullum]

This is nothing wrong with that, bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, there is nothing wrong with that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Would I get arrested when I get arrested in the UK if I said I'm gay?

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, but

[David Lee Corbo]

you probably get a position in Parliament.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

The Phantom of the Opera is a. It's a play that I've seen a couple of times. And. And there's always been, like, the spooky aspect to this one song where they're at the party and it's like, you know, it's like high living and it's, like, very British. I don't really understand it. No offense, Tommy.

[Tommy Cullum]

It's weird.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's weird.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But there's like, they're having a masquerade party, and when you're talking about the phenomenon masquerading, like the. The lyrics of the song are. Masquerade. Paper faces on parade Masquerade Hide your face to the world so the world will never find you Masquerade Every face a different shade Masquerade look around, there's another mask behind you and the entire scene is creepy because it's these, like, rich elites and they're dressed up, like, almost.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's that movie? The one with all the elites that are. No, not the Purge, but, like, the one where it's one shot. Eyes Wide Shut. Thank you, Tommy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's exactly what it is. But it's like they're trying to show that, oh, this is a party. But, like, realistically, if you understand what a masquerade is, it's kind of like a big orgy. It's a sexual ritual, like people getting murdered over there. It's a weird time, but it makes sense that the phenomenon would replicate that exact word. The masquerading around of a thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

To represent something else. And it's just like. I hate. I hate that. I hate that. That idea. Sorry. Please continue.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, no, no. I. I think that that's a. That's what we're talking to Nathaniel Gillis, and he talks about. Are we.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Take your turn Take a ride on the merry Go round An inhuman race An Inhuman race.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's great.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, Nathaniel Gillis says, are we? Are we? Are we? What's the word? Mythosing or mytholog?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Mythologizing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Mythologizing. The mask, right? The mask that this thing is wearing. And that's. That seems to be what it's consistently doing, is it's wearing a mask. But I was saying that, like, a. Like a year ago, we were having, like, a brief moment. A brief moment. I think this is around the time with.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

These lyrics are nuts, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Remember the whole, you know, Laura Baker Deliverance session that I went through and all that stuff? It was around that time. It actually prompted the Deliverance session because I was seeing things in my apartment for the first time since I moved there. So this wasn't even a year ago. How long ago? But either way, what I took note of is that my wife and I were, like, very.

[Tommy Cullum]

Thank you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very short with one another in our tempers. And it would be dumb that we were getting reactive about, you know, so we kind of like you. And luckily, we're really good at pulling it back when it got. When, you know, as soon as we see it, we go, wait a second. This is not. There's nothing to argue about, but, like, our tempers were short and. And I was like, maybe a little bit more grumpy dad than I typically am. I have a history of being a grumpy dad, but I think in this instance, I was like, a little bit more. A little bit quicker to anger. And so I think. But. But I think that's significant. I think if you give in to that sort of thing. Because ultimately, what does it want? It wants fear, and it wants, you know, sadness and despair and all these other things. Well, if it can create within a household what leads to trauma oftentimes. Right. Like if you are a child who's watching your parents argue. Well, sure, that kind of thing happens. But if those arguments turn into screaming fits and those screaming fits turn into physical blows or something like that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's all started by just dialing up the. The temp, you know, in. In this home, as far as anger goes. And that leads to. It's a domino effect. It can lead to. If you're not. If you don't have your wits about you, if you don't put a cap on it, if you don't, you know, have some humility and. And pull back, it leads to. It can lead to traumatizing childhood experiences. And that trauma is the doorway that they use.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Masquerade, seething shadows, Breathing lies, masquerade. You can fool any friend whoever knew you. Masquerade.

[David Lee Corbo]

Shadows spreading.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Breathing lies.

[David Lee Corbo]

Breathing lies masquerade.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Leering satyrs? Peering eyes Run and hide but a face will still pursue you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Leering satyrs. Like the little goat man.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, it's. There's so in. In these art. In this kind of art form, and this is probably the oldest play on Broadway because it is a great musical. But in. In this art form, they do tell you. They express the truth to you. And it's like, it's always underlying. And I always wondered why, like, it feels bad.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, sometimes too, I think it's. It's the thing that's worth making art about. You go like this mysterious, compelling thing. Yeah, I don't know.

[Tommy Cullum]

They still do it. They still. They still show us. They still tell us, you know, Hollywood and stuff like that still. They give us clues to this stuff and show us. They have to tell us, is what people say.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I'm sorry, Tommy. I was just gonna say. You were. You were alluding to this idea that you had, like, other experiences in conjunction with these things. I wonder if you could talk about that a bit.

[Tommy Cullum]

There was a lot of weird stuff going on for one night, I remember. I. So I was. I've always had weird. I've seen. When I grew up. I grew up in a very haunted house. And so I've always been very. I've always been very open to the paranormal because I've had experiences from a young age and kind of, you know, it's never been a doubt in my mind that this stuff is Real, basically throughout my life. But I. I was. When I started. Let's get freaky. I. I say this quite a lot. When you look into the paranormal, it looks back. And I think that definitely happened straight away. There was an uptick of, yeah, I was seeing things. And it could be sometimes, like, you're. If you're thinking about this stuff, can you manifest it? You know, we know our brains are powerful, and we can. I'm sure in some cases, we can see things that are not there. And we're like, well, I've just seen a shadow figure. Maybe some cases are undeniable, you know, but there was an uptick of. Of seeing things and things in the corner of my eye. My eye and stuff. One night I woke up and this. This was. This was so strange. And this was like, at the height of the family experiencing this kind of stuff as well. I woke up and my wife was sitting up crying, right? So during the night, I can just see her crying. And I was like, what the heck's going on? Is she all right? She got a headache or something or what's going on? So I've got up and I've put my. As you would put my hand on her back to like, say, babe, what's the matter? What's going on? And I've gone through her. Look down, and she is sound asleep. And I was like, what the. You know, like, what. What is that? I mean, now you can argue that I was in a sleep state. I woke up and I'm, you know, maybe disorientated, but for me, it didn't feel like. It felt very. It felt real. You know, I saw her there. I have. I have. When I was a kid, I'm a young adult, I woke up and I've seen, like, the shape of someone standing. It's actually happened in this house where I've woken up and there's the shape of someone there, which is terrifying. You know, even if your kids standing there, you know, you've had that. Where you wake up and your kids looking at you, even. That's terrifying. You know, it's not a good time to wake up and see something. So there was stuff like that going on. There was. There was one night. Oh, this was. This was. This was trying. This. You could put this down to possibly the guest that I was talking to now, she was a lovely lady. You know, I was having a great conversation, very nice lady, but she was dealing with a big haunting in her home, right? And. And it was terrible. What she was telling me was Terrifying. I was thinking I couldn't live in, in the situation that she's living in. And I said something to her like, why, why do you not. Because she wasn't combating this stuff. She wasn't praying or anything or, you know, whatever you can do to get rid of this stuff. She wasn't trying to do that. And she was like, they're my friends. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, fair enough. You know, each their own. But we kind of finished the, the recording and then she said to me, oh, they might come over to see you now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thank you.

[Tommy Cullum]

I was like, you can keep them there. Absolutely fine. Now this is where it gets really weird because she said that, right. And so I do this. I record normally 1:30am UK time. So it's, it's, you know, 8:00 clock in the. 8:30 in the U.S. so it's perfect time. Most of my guests are in the U. S so I always leave all the lights on downstairs, right. Because I'm normally a bit freaked out after the conversation I've just had. So I like to go downstairs to a full lit house.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Tommy Cullum]

But on this occasion after that lady said that, I've got, I've gone done my routine, I've packed it all up, gone downstairs, all the lights are off. And I was like, that's weird now that the wife could have got up and turned all the lights off. She doesn't do that though. And I'm like, okay, a bit freaked out. I've turned all the lights on around the house. I'm like, okay, it's fine. You know, somewhere there's probably a normal, you know, this is fine. Anyway, I've gone into the front room, gone back into the kitchen, the light was off. I was like, bro, I was praying out loud. I said, no, I don't want anything. So that, that change aside to this, these conversations that we have and, and I used to think, okay, I'm talking to people, you know, all around the world. It can't, it can't, it can't get through the computer basically.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But I think that's how they move, dog.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, but I think it's, I think this world is, is much more connected and, and I don't think it works like that. I don't think time is the same, obviously in the spiritual world and one and, and yeah, so stuff like that happens, man. It's freaky.

[David Lee Corbo]

I, I think so. You know, a lot of times people will say, especially if you, if you're a Christian, like, why Are you looking at this thing? But I find that when you look into this phenomenon, you know, you. Number one, you discover patterns which are useful if you're going to understand a thing. Patterns are important bits of information. But the other thing too is that when you unpack this story, what happens is there is a listener out there somewhere. And that listener, these entities, they don't like when you talk about the. The logistical nature of how it happens. They would prefer that you don't talk about it at all. They want to.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Ruining the magic trick in a way. Yeah. But when you're looking into the magic trick. Right. Then you. Now do I become a magician?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I don't think I remember what Dr. Marzinski said when. When they said, you have no right to interfere with our way of life.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And initially they didn't want to communicate with him. They don't like when you start investigating what's going on because I think they're.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, they choose. They choose who they're gonna go to.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And who they're gonna like, spin their trick on. So if it's somebody that's not a mark, I. I kind of understand really. Real quick, another sidebar. Chuck from Guam. Shout out Chuck. He's Guaming all the time. He asked if you have a dog.

[Tommy Cullum]

I do have a dog. I do.

[David Lee Corbo]

The chat's very.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Tommy Cullum]

I've got a little Staffordship Alteria. He's a lovely little dog. I didn't have him at the time when I first started doing let's Get Freaky. But I do have him now. And he's. He's. We. We had a weird night, me and him. That sounds weird. Me and my dog. Don't make that as a real please. So I just. It was about 3 o' clock in the morning, UK time again. Just finished recording. And again, this was through the period of a lot of high strangers in my house. And absolutely everything was fine. All of a sudden, my dog, who's in a cage, just, you know, just. Just near my room, near my studio room. But he never barks or anything. He never like. He never moans. He's better than all the kids that sleep. And he'll sleep all through the night. On this. This one occasion, he started barking and going crazy. That's. I was thinking, what the heck's going on? Like, what's going on? So I've gone out, I've checked on him. He's just going crazy in his cage, which is very rare. He doesn't do it. The wife's Asleep. The kids are all asleep. I. I've looked downstairs and I can hear some mad movements. Like. Like furniture's being moved. Like I'm thinking I'm being robbed. Like there's no. There was. I wasn't thinking ghost or anything. I think I'm being robbed. Like there are men. There's something in my house and they are. They're looting me, man. I'm. And I'm thinking what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna have to. Because we haven't got guns or anything. I'm gonna. I. I've got a BB gun, but it's not going to do a lot. So I've. I've picked up something heavy. I've got my dog out and I'm like, boy, this is it. We're gonna go. This is. This is go time. There's people down here. We gotta go. This is. This is big. So we've run down the stairs. All the lights are on because I leave the lights on. But there was nothing moved. There was no one down there. And when I say, like it was. It was like I could hear people walking around and moving stuff. It was so loud. And obviously the dog heard it as well because he's going crazy. So. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that. That was another thing that happened from the period.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I think the chat heard. Heard a whimper. And they're. They're on edge.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. After the whole.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Tommy Cullum]

You won't hear him. So if you. That wasn't him.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sure we'll get to, you know, if there is anything.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He's not wearing a coffee shop, so there's no dogs.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's no dogs here. You know that. Once again, that reminds me of the Nathaniel Gillis episode. The Nathaniel Gillis episode where he said that somebody heard a noise and when they went downstairs, they saw the item that had dropped was not capable of making that noise.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It was like almost amplified.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And so when you think about. In terms of frequency, you know, this is. This is the mode in which they interact with the physical realm so they can manipulate its sound. Is. Is. Is frequency. And so the ability to amplify it and make you hear things that maybe

[Co-host/Interviewer]

there is like, you know, who made the shore microphone?

[David Lee Corbo]

A demon.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, the Nazis.

[David Lee Corbo]

They made a great ass.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Microphone shout out to the Nazis.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So I'm just saying amplification.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That's all fall in technology, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Like all that stuff that we're using.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it's the same thing too. Right. When you look at like the megalithic structures, people that. Some people think it was giants, other people think it was a, you know, giants and sound technology, you know, vibration frequency allowing you to move an otherwise immovable object with ease. So, I mean, yeah, man, there's. There's definitely something to. And I think that noise thing also is a. Is an easy way if they can manipulate the way that you perceive a sound to generate a tremendous amount of fear, which it does, right? I mean, as soon as you hear that, it's like, what in the world? And, you know, you're. All the hair on your body raises up and. And now all of a sudden you're in something close to like a fight or flight mode. Like, am I gonna have to fight intruders in my house? And meanwhile, it could just be a minimum effort that, that yields a great result for them because I do think that they feed off of that, that negative energy. And so they're just eating off you as you sneak around the house with your dog.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

That whole passing, like the loose. The loose transfer of energy like we have, we know a story about that.

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

The guy that he had, like a parasitic entity on him. But something interesting I don't think I've ever even told you, our boy Colin, at one point when we had first interviewed him before, the second time, yeah, I was talking with him. I like Colin, but I, I've like, limited, like limited conversation with him because he was like. We were talking and he's having a good time. Say, how you doing? I said, ah, fine. You know, like kids are. They're not sleeping. They're stressing me out. He goes, I'm gonna have my angels pray for you. And I said, don't do that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don't, don't, don't.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I told him, don't do that. Colin is a guy that again, is like, in contact with these entities in a similar way that you were talking about this woman.

[Tommy Cullum]

And.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But he thinks some of them are, are good. And I'm just, I'm like.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it might be, but it's like, it is very hard to.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

They're paired with like, some of these entities. Tell them, get in shape, do this, do that. They've abducted them, upgraded him for war. Some of them are. Have given him horrific experiences. Some of them are friends and guides. And I'm just like, yeah, but the guide stuff, you know, I would stay away from that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was trying to find these things yesterday on this, on this episode. One of the notes that I took down that Gillis mentioned was Mr. Blue of the skull experiment. And it was an entity that they were able to contact whoever he was talking about through this thing called. And I, I asked him for clarification. I said scold or skull. And he said it again and it sounded exactly the same when he said it again. So I just wrote it down. I'm trying to find something. I can't. But, but, but Colin.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Mr. Blue.

[David Lee Corbo]

Mr. Blue is what it was called in this. I, I just tried Skold S K O L D experiment that doesn't seem to yield anything. So I don't know. But it's fascinating to me that there should be this experiment where they're interacting with these entities and a blue guy appears. They call him Mr. Blue because that was one of the main things that. That Colin interacted with was this, this, this blue guy.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But I guess the point was, is that like, he and Colin's not a bad dude, but he was like, yeah, like these guys, these angels that talk to me like they could help you. And I was like, I'm good.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don't.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. I said, don't ever do that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, it's the S C O L E experiment. S O S C O L E. Okay. Something to look into. Maybe later. On the skull experiment. Oh, there's a whole. A documentary on it, so. Yeah, man. I think that that sound manipulation is one of the big ones. You know what I actually started realizing, Tommy, is that, you know that feeling when all that hair on your body stands up? Now there's sometimes where like I have what's called like autopilot erection. So I could just do it to myself, but it's not. Don't laugh at that, dude. This is different. Why would you laugh? Why would you what, dude? It's a real. A real thing. I don't know why you. So. But when you wake up and you get the sensation that something there is there, that feeling is not, you know, self produced and it is really intense. And I realize, like, I don't think that it's. Obviously it's often accompanied with fear. I don't think it has to be accompanied with fear though. I think it's a physical tell that your spirit is like putting upon your body. It's an alarm. It's like, hey, something's here. It's not saying like be afraid. I don't think that that is because of fear. I think it's because something is there and it's. And like there's something in your spirit that's letting you know and it actually manifests as a physical thing on your body. So I've gotten to the point now where like when that happens, I'm like, okay, all good. You know what I mean? Like, I. I pick up what you're putting down, body or spirit or whatever. But I don't think, I think that's an alarm system them like a natural

[Tommy Cullum]

ability that we have to warn us that there's something there. We can feel it. Yeah, we've definitely got senses, like when someone's staring at you, but you. And you turn around and you're not looking at them, but they're staring at you and you feel it. You know, that's like a natural sense that we have built in us. That feeling when you meet someone for the first time and you get that feeling that this, this person doesn't seem to like me. You know, there's no. Yeah, they're smiling at you. You know, you're shaking hands, but you, you just. There's that vibe and you're like, what is that, man? That's like a natural ability that we seem to have.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. I think there's really something to that. I think it's. It's. I think with that, you know, the smart thing to do right after that is like, okay, there's spiritual things going on. Spiritual warfare comes next, and you start praying. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It's like, what's the point of. Of alerting you that something's there or something's there, something's warring against you in the spirit. You can't see it. Maybe you can. Maybe you see a shadow, maybe whatever. But you got that confirmation. Your body sending the alarm systems off. It's time to start praying. That's what I think.

[Tommy Cullum]

Absolutely. Yeah. That's where I am right now. That's what I do. And that. That seems to be working for me. And that is what, you know what? I carry on doing the podcast because things do happen every now and again. Like, literally two weeks ago, I was in my kitchen, and I was on my cell phone just going through messages and stuff, just me and the dog in the house. And I just got this feeling that someone was in my doorway, and I could kind of see someone in the corner of my eye, like, as if, you know, someone was standing there. And I've looked, and for, like, only lasted less than a second. It was so quick. There was something, like, there. I didn't get any. Well, I couldn't tell you who it was, what it was, but it, like, it vanished. And I was like, my heart's beating out my chest. Were you saying about the fear, you know, didn't get what it wanted in that moment? You know, the fear that I was projecting and that. That was very recent. That was, like, two weeks ago. I'm not saying again that that might be my mind manifesting stuff, but I'm not even thinking about. I wasn't thinking about anything paranormal in that moment, and it happened. But, yeah, stuff like that, man, is. Is that, you know, these. These shots of fear that we give these things, it seems to be how they grow.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I think that. I think it's fine. It's fine to give it, like, that type of fear that you're talking about. I don't think there's really a choice in us to that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Reactive, like, yeah, yeah, you better be afraid, because that.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But that's also gonna trigger you to fight. Like that initial boom where you're like, hairs on my neck. Something's going down. Yeah, maybe it's fear, but, like, all right, are we gonna fight? But it goes no further than that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's the same thing. When you see a dog like you. You. You know, you have an alert go off.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

There you go, oh, this is danger.

[Tommy Cullum]

But.

[David Lee Corbo]

But what happens Next after that is important. You run. You trigger the dog's prey instinct. It chases you, bites you. You fall down, you freak out. It keeps biting you. You move towards it, you get bigger. You chase the dog. The dog almost always runs away. My mother taught me that when I was real little. She's like, never, ever run from a dog.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's how you position yourself with the dog. Right? Like your shoulders back.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Straight up. You're making. Maybe not make eye contact with it, but, like, have speak its language so

[David Lee Corbo]

that I swear to God, I don't think that there's a dog on earth that if you first and foremost don't run from and then second, start running towards is not going to haul ass away.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Some. There's some dogs that you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because I've had it when I was a child. When I was a kid, I was riding my bike with my buddy, and we rode past a junkyard, and they had junkyard dogs, and two junkyard dogs squeezed underneath the fence and chased us. My buddy, I said, don't run. He had never heard that before. So he said, fuck you. And he was on his bike. He kept going. I was so taught from a young age, never run from a dog. I got off my bike, I picked my bike up and started running towards the dogs. And the dogs tucked tail and ran straight back under the fence and left. And I was confused. I'm looking at my buddy who's riding away. But that's the thing. We were like, I don't know, 11 or 12. Like, if I got on those dogs would have caught us. We're on bikes, and these are, you know, fast. Like, they're gonna catch us. Yeah, they're gonna bite you. You're gonna fall off your bike, you're gonna hit the ground. Then you're on the ground and you're getting tore up by dogs. But I picked up my thing, I made a bunch of noises like. And I moved towards the dogs, and the dogs ran away. So, yeah, you're right. That instinctive fear is like. That's an alert that's letting you know that you're no longer in a normal circumstance. You want to call that, like, fear or fear adjacent. That's fine. That's just letting you know, like, this isn't. You're not at.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You got that? Yeah, you got a little bit of energy. But, like, what am I supposed to do?

[David Lee Corbo]

The same thing, though. Like, the dog, you go at it. You go at it. But of course, you do that in a spiritual way. So that's prayer. I've gotten to the point now where, like, I don't. I. I wasn't always like this. And it's changed a lot in the last six months or so. Maybe more than that, a little bit more than that, but. And it's been slow and gradual, but I pray every day now, and on the days when I don't, I'm like, I feel like I'm lacking and I don't know. And I pray like, you know, a bunch of different things routinely. But to be armed against these spiritual things that are aimed at us, because I think, you know, as we go further in time and as the, you know, all of our shows get louder and louder and people do galvanize to this dark side, those attacks are going to get more and more egregious. And it doesn't have to be from people because, you know, there are these spiritual entities that, like we said, don't like getting revealed. And I think as we move towards disclosure, you know, this thing wants to be masked as aliens. And even just calling that out is like, it doesn't like that. It doesn't like. When you pull on the mask, it gets very upset.

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[David Lee Corbo]

Tommy, you were, you were mentioning that you had some experiences of the UFO variety.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yes. Yeah, man, this is going to sound wild, but these absolutely happened, right? So I, I have always been fascinated with UFOs. I'm always looking up, and I think if you're always looking up, you are going to see some weird lights in the sky that you just can't explain. But I've had two experiences that are, like, pretty wild, you know, when I tell you, and it's, it's. It's like nothing I've seen before on, on any other, you know, show or anything like that. But the first one happened when I was about 14 years old and it was me and my brother and a few other guys in the street every day. We used to play football in the street, soccer in the street. That's what we did through the summer. And it was just a normal summer's day. Lovely blue sky, we're playing soccer in the street. And I can't remember if it was me or one of my friends and my brother, but one of us was like, what the heck is that in the sky? And we've all stopped playing football and looked at this. And then when I tell you what, it was pretty wild. It looked like a futuristic building that you would see in like Dubai. Right. Imagine a futuristic building that you'd see in Dubai. You pick it up, you put it well up in the sky and just let it flow. That is literally what we were seeing.

[David Lee Corbo]

And talking like that size too.

[Tommy Cullum]

I mean, it was very, it was high up in the sky. But I did like thinking about it. I can imagine it being that kind of size, but it was, it was well up there. Right, so. But it wasn't moving. It wasn't changing shape or anything like that. It was just, just there. It was just floating. And we're all looking at it. We're like, is this a plane? Like I remember for ages, we're like trying to work out what it was. Is it a blimp? Like, who knows what it was. Is it a balloon? It didn't look like a balloon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that looked. That thing. If you tilted that on its side and put that in the sky, that's a UFO 100.

[Tommy Cullum]

There was actually a picture released recently. I don't know where it was from. I saw it on social media, but it was like a weird looking UFO that actually looked like a balloon. It does look like a balloon.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And

[Tommy Cullum]

I mean, again, I don't know, this could be some sort of balloon. It could be some sort of technology that we have and that they've not disclosed. But I was 14, so this is going back, I'm 38 now, so this is going back a fair time. So we're looking at this object and it was like orange and silver. You know, that's, that's the two main colors that was coming off this thing. I kind of can imagine like windows on it and stuff now. But I think that's just my mind adding that on as the years have gone on. But.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Tommy Cullum]

I couldn't See windows or anything like. But it looked like just a weird pattern. It just looked like a strange mechanic. I. I don't know what. But it's very high up in the sky. What. What's bugged me? We just started playing football again. We just didn't. You know, this was before the cell phones and having photos in your phone, so we couldn't take any pictures or anything like that. We just carried on playing football. So I don't remember this thing flying off, disappearing. I don't even remember how that. That day ended, to be honest. And the weird thing as well is I never. Me and my brother never really discussed this, so we never really talked about. We may have done, but I don't remember talking about it after it happened. And it wasn't until I started, let's get freak. And I kind of wrote down the things that I'd experienced, you know, for doing podcasts like this. You know, I wanted to make sure I remembered all the weird stuff that I'd experienced that never even came to my mind. This. This memory. And I was on a podcast with CatWorld, Paranormal Heart Podcast, the first time I'd done a show, and. And I'm talking about my experiences, and this memory's just kind of come back, and I'm like, well, I'm gonna share it. I shared it, and. And I thought, this is strange. After the podcast had finished, I was like, why did I not remember that amazing thing? You know, because it's not something that you should forget. And I'm thinking, am I manifesting stuff now? Did I dream that? And it's like a mad dream that I'm remembering, and I'm remembering it all wrong. But then my brother rung me up, up a couple of days later, he listened to that podcast, and he said, I enjoyed it, bro.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

What.

[Tommy Cullum]

What was that thing we saw that day? You know what? I remember seeing that. And I was so happy in that moment that he also remembered, yeah, seeing this weird thing in the sky. And I was like, what do you think it was? I don't know. You know, my brother's a lot more skeptical than I am, but he's had some experiences as well, but he's still very skeptical, and he's, you know, we don't know what that was. You know, it could possibly be some sort of balloon that was just. But it was very high.

[David Lee Corbo]

That relief, though, that he. That he also remembered it. I. I know what you mean. I've had experiences where, like, when survivors

[Co-host/Interviewer]

of UFO talk about it, it's Always like, oh, yeah, thank God. Like, I'm gonna bring this article up that. This is from my uncle. He saved the newspaper from that day. So that's June 5, 1978, in the New York Post. Close Encounters over Brooklyn. And they. Somebody got a picture of it, but there was a ufo. What. What he described as, like a mothership. And it was over a busy city street, and he was on his balcony and he saw this thing, and it was probably like a city block away from it, but it's. That's not very far. Especially when that. Like something as large as a football field. He described it as being like it was over this high school called John Dewey. And he said it was the size of John Dewey.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So it was that big, and it had, like, he said tank wheels that, like, moved around this way, but nothing that people could make, but it was, like, slightly moving. He called his wife, was my aunt. They go. And they look at it and. And she goes, oh. And then he says, as fast as it's there, it's gone. Gone. But throughout that day, everybody in Brooklyn and a couple of other boroughs, I believe, like, this article goes and says, like, Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn, definitely their. Their sightings of UFOs. I don't know if it's the same one, but they see it. And the interesting thing about what my uncle and my aunt did, I said, so what the hell do you do

[Tommy Cullum]

after you see this?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You're standing on your balcony, you look at it. He goes, we sat down, we watched Jeopardy. And then we went to sleep. And I said, yeah, and when. And like, what.

[David Lee Corbo]

How?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

He's like, we didn't talk about it at all until the next day when it was on the radio because everybody else saw it and they go, oh, yeah, like, yeah, we saw that too. And it's like, what the you talking about? You saw the most amazing thing in the world, and you don't even give it a second thought to have a conversation. You watch Jeopardy.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know what that is, man, because that is super consistent across everybody's experiences where you see something phenomenal and then. And then you just kind of move along like it didn't happen, almost.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Where to place it?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's what I. I'm caught between that and something else because it's like to say you don't know where to place it doesn't really solve the eeriness of the way that you move on, because there is an eeriness with which you forget that thing. And then later on, you know, when, when you remember it, you. You do look at it and you go, how could I have forgotten that? How could I have not made a bigger deal of that? And that, to me is strange because it just feels unsatisfying. The explanation of. You don't have context in which to place this thing. It's like, of course we have context in which to place this thing. We're inundated by all sorts of media that shows us this phenomenon. It's a UFO movie, it's an alien movie, it's a show, it's a podcast, it's a video game. Media has saturated us to the degree that we have plenty of scaffolding upon which to put this thing, and yet we still forget about it in an eerie sort of way. And I'm forced to ask, is there another component that's at play here that we don't understand? Is this, this, is this phenomenon making us. Is there something advantageous to show us and then make us forget because it has the ability to manipulate our perception? Right. That image, for example, in that article made me think about it. It's like what we were just talking about this on the previous podcast. What one person sees will show up differently on camera. That little orb in the sky is different than a high school sized thing, a block in the air. And is that to say, well, that's just the way that it translates to the lens of the camera. Or is that to say that what one person perceives is different than what another person or piece of technology perceives?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Very interesting too. Like what those people photographed. I don't know what that is, and I don't know what everybody else saw, but I know what they saw together. They both saw the same thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But it could, could very well be one aircraft going all around Brooklyn all day.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's the same thing too, when, when Tommy's talking about, like Tommy and his dog both hear this thing, but then they go down and there's nothing there. Nothing dropped, nothing moved. And it sounds like there are intruders in the home, but nothing has moved. And myself in particular, I've had experiences where I hear things and it wakes me up out of sleep and I go to investigate. And I realize, even though I've heard this thing three times in a row over an extended period of time, and it's very loud, someone's banging on the door, nobody in the house hears it.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Reminds me it's a fun one. In my old house in Coney island when I was a kid, would happen often, maybe once every Three years. But it would sound like every pant. Like, my mom would stack the pans in a. In a drawer. Like, I think it was underneath the sink or like, by there. And it would sound like all of them fell. And then, like, then I'm like, I'm not going down there. But the next morning you go and you look and you're like, this is going to be annoying to pick up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And they're just there. But every single one of them fell. I know that. And that happened, like, often. And we just go, oh, man. Indians, you know, dead Indians, probably.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

But there's something about this perception that it hijacks. And, you know, I. I just wonder if it's hijacking your perception and it's making you see this thing, and that's different. Other people experience it differently. Some people might be in the same house, not experience it at all. And then it also is going a step further and it's. It's almost casting this forgetfulness on you. You know how many people talk about seeing a craft and in the moment they feel strange, like, oh, would you look at that? And it's like, no, no, no. You should be.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, that goes to, like, lost time as well.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Everything is perception manipulation. And. And I'm wondering, is it that versus. We don't have a way to contextualize this.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Do you feel like you had lost time when you don't know how, like, that day ended or what do you.

[Tommy Cullum]

It's a good point. Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, I don't know. I mean, it was a long time ago. So obviously memories when you're that age kind of turn into one, basically. Right. But every summer's day was pretty much the same at that time. But it's just very strange that we never really discussed in something so amazing. You know, it was an incredible thing to see. It was something like, obviously UFOs have always been out there, you know, in. In our culture, but not as, you know, in that time. I don't know if it was as big as it is now, but still, it was. It was out there. You know, you had shows like Space Precinct and obviously Star Wars. You know, we're all very aware of these shows, Star Trek and things like that. This thing was very much something of, you know, it was an incredible thing to see when I think back. So it is very strange that we never spoke about it. I was just so happy that my brother remembered it and I wasn't just, you know, on a podcast spout in some weird dream that I'd had, you know. Yeah, it was, it was, it was good confirmation for me because as well, if my brother didn't remember it, say, what are you talking about, bro? You know, you know, that would suck. Yeah,

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I just had this experience on this show.

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

My mom had told me a dream that she had. She had a dream and, and she had said that she was in the field. So I have like 10 acres and my parents house is about, I don't know, like 50 yards from my house, I'd say. And then there's like a field like right in between ours. And she said she had a dream that she was in the field and there was a bunch of other people in the field standing there, I think maybe even in pajamas. I don't remember exactly the story. And then she says, oh, scene switch. Where in like a school, like setting, like a hurricane shelter, but in, in a school, like in, in not industrial, but you know what I mean? That kind of like, yeah, a little cold.

[Tommy Cullum]

Not a home.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Not a cozy, not a home, but like a cold. It's got windows and it's got like a gymnasium kind of feel to it. And she's like, that's very weird. And I had, I had hushed her at that point. I'm like, stop, stop, stop. Because my kids are here. And I'm like, I don't need them internalizing that and then telling me that that happened to them because then I don't know if it's true or if they're repeating it. Yeah, and I told my wife, my wife. And then I told it on, on the show and my mom listens here and there. And she goes, why would you say that? And I'm like, say why? She's like, the story. Like, that never happened. And I was like, no, no, you told me that. That and another story, which you did remember, about my grandmother.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And I go, no, no, you told me that story. And now I feel crazy. And now I feel like an. Because I'm, like, lying. All these people. So I'm like. I go back that night, and I go to my wife. My wife. And I say, hey, bitch. Like, do you remember this story at all?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And she goes, yeah, I remember. I remember you telling me that, like, right here. Like, at the end of the day, me and my wife talk after, like, every. All the kids are. She's like, yeah, we were, like, doing this exact thing. I remember this story. And I'm like, okay, I don't know what happened here. Something happened here, and I don't like it. So we put that one to the side for now. But it's very strange.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dreams are strange because there are some that I remember from my entire life from, like, 6 years old or maybe even younger. And then there are other ones that, like, I've said, even on this show. And then when I'm reminded of them, I'm like, how the hell did I forget about that one? That was. That was super strange. You know, I want to ask you this, Tommy, because your stories are very similar to my stories, and I have a lot of ideas about why these things have happened to me. I wonder if you have any ideas about why these things have happened to you. I mean, you're going back pretty young, and you've got a range of things from what people would call like, ghost or demonic encounters all the way up to the UFO variety. And very similarly to me, you have

[Co-host/Interviewer]

found yourself deep interest in these things.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly. You have found yourself sitting in that chair. And I attribute my strange experiences to. To putting me in this chair. Why are these things happening to you?

[Tommy Cullum]

It's a good point. You know, some people seem to experience a lot of this kind of stuff, and some people experience none of it. And that's very strange. You know, I've. I've. It's always been a part of my life since I remember, since day. Since I can remember. I've been scared of the dark. I had a natural fear of the dark. And I guess you can say that that's in all of us a little bit, especially when we're kids.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, wait, wait. This is actually funny, Tommy. So I'm gonna trigger you. I know what's going on in the uk, but I have a bizarre, probably cringy obsession with collecting brown men in my house. I have slept under my pillow since I was single digits. Before I was ever 10 years old, I slept with a knife. I love this knife. It's great.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Knife.

[David Lee Corbo]

With a knife under my pillow and. And it would help me to not be afraid of the dark.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, I mean, I need one of those knives, for sure. My family was always very much like. We never really talked about ghosts when I was a little kid. But, like, growing up, it's very clear that this stuff has been in my family. Like, my dad's seen entities. My mum's had some weird experiences, like, especially with dreams and, like, astral projection and stuff. My mum's experienced stuff like that. And I think it goes back. And I know my nan and granddad, I've talked to them about this kind of stuff. You know, my granddad had a UFO, UFO sighting in, like, the 90s, which is pretty wild. And he shared it to us. You know, he used to talk about it all the time. And I recently asked my nan. My granddad's passed away now, but my nan's still alive. And I was talking to her about it very recently, and she was like, telling me, yeah, your granddad, he. He came home that day and he saw something that day, and I'd love to have got him on the podcast to get his, you know, full version of it, but basically he was. He was. This was like 90s, maybe early 2000s, around that kind of time, he was on a golf course with his two dogs, and he's walking down the fairway, walking the dogs, and he said he saw this, like, black object come up from the trees, and it was like a triangular shape. And this is before, like, obviously drones have obviously always been. And probably we did have drones back then, but not as much as, you know, not as prevalent as they are today. And, you know, this thing's come towards him. He said it was large. It was a large craft, whatever it was, and he said it freaked him out. And he's running to. He's like, the nearby forest. And he said this thing is literally following him through the trees. Like, he's looking up and he can see this dark object kept following him. And he's. He's come to the end of the. The forested area and there was a scout group walking along. And he said he just joined this scout group. Yeah, like, he said it was like a triangular. Yeah, it's.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

It's.

[Tommy Cullum]

I Mean, it could be military.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, if it's military, to be honest, it was previously ufo. It was previous, like, alien technology.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like reverse engineered or something.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. A lot of people go, oh, you saw it. Like, Cole's. Cole's father, I believe, saw a TR3B as well. And they saw it early 90s, or maybe even like 8, 1980s. This is before this stuff has been released. The government's had this, but previously, before the government had this, this is just like. This is fallen technology.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So when he saw it and also what was operating it, who knows?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Tommy Cullum]

And the way it moved wasn't like anything. It wasn't like a plane moving. You know, this was like a float in. It's very strange, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

I also think, you know, that when people see these things, like. Like, I don't think you see them accidentally. I don't think they're like, oh, damn it, the cloaking is down, and. And the civilians have seen us. You know, whether or not it's alien or demonic or fallen angel or human military, it's all, you know, connected in this one big messy web. Or at least it appears messy to us from the outside looking in. I think they. The people who see it, they see it on purpose. I think it's. They're revealing themselves to certain people, and I don't know how they know who to reveal themselves to, because why on earth should this thing be then preceded by a lifetime of other strange experiences?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Exactly.

[Tommy Cullum]

Is that being open to it, do you think? Is that possible? If you. If you like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I don't think it is.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

I think it is, man. I think we talked about with Daniel Gillis about this idea of observing the thing. It kind of wants to be observed. It wants to present itself to you in a way. Like it'll present itself as your favorite cartoon character in some cases.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, yeah, I've heard that many times.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. It wants that consent drawn from you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. But it's also looking for somebody. So. So Himmler and the. The experiments in the Nazi regime. Himmler is focused on, like, certain attributes. He's looking for specific candidates who will be, you know, better adapted to whatever, displaying like. There's always been some goofy. Right. Like, within the New age movement. It's like starseeds they're looking for, whether it's genetics, whatever it is. Heterochromia twins is a great one. Right. But this proclivity to be bent that way.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, Gillis was telling us about this, like, what it seems like what they're looking for is an inhabitant. So he said. He says demonic possession is pregnancy to them. And I think they are searching for this. And there are attributes, whether they're in our bloodline or something that's imperceptible, maybe like our brain chemistry. They know, they have inclinations and maybe the government is actually in on it. And then they send out, you know, go check this guy, check this guy out a little bit further. Is this the person that we're looking for? Maybe, maybe not. We'll run a little bit of a long game on him, Continue to poke and prod, you know, how about his progeny? Maybe not him. Maybe throughout his bloodline, though, something's going on. I think there's a. That's a lot of what's happening here. They're looking for something.

[David Lee Corbo]

Here's. Here's another interesting overlap. Remember the. The concept of the indigo child?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Pulling it up?

[Tommy Cullum]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, no, it's over here. I mean, yeah, we could pull it up. It's fine. So an indigo child is a new age, non scientific concept describing children believed to possess special, unusual or supernatural traits such as high intelligence, deep empathy, and a rebellious, anti authoritarian nature. Which just describes every single person who's doing a podcast right now and everybody who's listening to these podcasts right now. Coined by Nancy Ann tape in the 1970s. And this is something I think my grandmother thought she was considered spiritually involved intuitive beings born to usher in a new era of human consciousness which plays into that right ascension, human consciousness. This, this thing is looking for individuals to interact with that I think right there are going to usher in this new era of human consciousness. And I don't want to say it's tricky because I think sometimes what happens is these people also will wake up to the nature of the phenomena on, I would hope. But at the end of the day, what are we sitting here doing?

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[David Lee Corbo]

We're talking to audiences about a supernatural phenomenon and we are all a drip in a bucket that is turning into a lake and eventually an ocean of people who all got to the similar conclusion by this podcast or that podcast or let's Get Freaky or Nephilim Death Squad or Tony Merkel show or whatever. They're all being woken up to the spiritual, supernatural reality of. And I'm like, dude, it's like, like, I don't. I think this is the gayest terminology ever. Indigo Child. Only second place to the ultimate gay terminology, which is Starseed. But I got a hard time with the idea that we are in fact sitting here ushering in a new. That's so, so cringy and gay. Ushering in a new era of human consciousness.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Like,

[David Lee Corbo]

yeah, whoops. I don't know. Is that a whoops? I think that's what it is. I don't think it's an openness or the openness, rather, Tommy, is a result of a predisposition. A predisposition that MK Ultra wants to find in you. A predisposition that the alien phenomenon wants to find in you. A predisposition that leads you to having these interactions. Maybe a predisposition that's genetic in nature, that, you know, you look within the Bible or so many other things outside of the Bible, within the occult and genetics and bloodline seems to be a really huge, you know, it's. It's of importance. It's of importance. I wonder how many people are listening to this show. There is a type of person, Tommy, I'm sure you've met him, where you utter even the smallest semblance of anything that we've talked about here today. And they just turn off, they're not hearing it. Dude, this is. I. It's a lady and her husband outside the studio one day asking me what we do here. I say we do a show. She goes, about what? And I go, well, for example, today it's. It's going to be about alien disclosure. And she, she goes, okay, that. And her husband walks away, walks away many, many times.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

This is happening.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's like, yeah, maybe this phenomenon, you know, has a bunch of stupid ass names like Starseed and Indigo Child and, you know, homosexual, but maybe there's something there at the root that is biblical, that, that has been defined if we're just. If we just care to look. And, and maybe it's just a lot more common in 2026 than. Than it previously was. I'm not saying we're special. I think that is a very slippery slope and a very dangerous notion to. To think that we're special. But something I think wants to leverage people like us. And I think there are a lot of us, and I would. I would venture to believe that the vast majority of the listeners are also of that, you know, that cloth.

[Tommy Cullum]

Absolutely, yeah. Because they've got to be interested in this. But I mean, those people. You should have called that gentleman back and said, sir, have you had any paranormal experiences? And he may have had something weird that's happened. He just doesn't want to go there. You know, a lot of people are like that as well. Yeah, but, yeah, I think, I think, yeah, once. Once you have an experience that is undeniable for you, I think that's why sometimes you see more. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing. I mean, I could quite happily not experience anything else again. Be very content, be very happy. Still love talking to people about it and hearing people's experiences, because I think that's how we learn. And, you know, we're putting all these pieces together to try and work out what's going on. And people that, you know, there are differences in opinions, in whether this is a positive or a negative. It's very hard right now to, to kind of know, maybe there's. There can be both with, with this topic. Maybe there can be some positive. I don't know. But there is certainly a lot of negative. And for what I've experienced throughout my life, it's been more on the negative side. These experiences have not been positive. You know, it's not been. I'm talking to a relative, and I'm not saying people don't. I'm not. I'm not saying that that's not a thing as well. But what I've experienced, it's been a negative attack. It's been spiritual attacks, you know, that have not been. Are not good. Basically.

[David Lee Corbo]

I, I think that's actually a bit of a blessing in disguise because I think the worst thing is to be deceived by something that is benevolent. Claiming to be benevolent. That's the, that's the real scary thing. You have something that is soothing, that comes to you and, and, you know, presents itself one way and feeds you a whole spiel. You know, a lot of the time, within the alien abduction experience, they're being told to go out and spread something. And it's usually like Gnosticism, you know, it's, it's New age belief system adjacent. It's, it's whatever. So that's a. I, I feel terrible for people that get whisked up in that. Because in our simple state in this physical realm, in this materialistic paradigm, to be shown something amazing and then to be convinced by that thing that it loves you and has your best interests at heart and then is actually telling you to go out and mislead people, like, that sucks, man. I'm actually grateful that the experiences that I've had, I can point to it and go, that is definitively evil. And I, and I pit myself against that thing. That's, that's a lot easier. And I, you know, I would say,

[Co-host/Interviewer]

you know what I'll say, Shout out to the blurry boys.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Because this is a hard, it is a hard thing to do and I don't want to get you in trouble.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is a hard thing to do.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You've, you've created a narrative and co written books about one side of this and then now it seems like they're going to the other side. It's really like, once you say like, oh, these things are neutral or good, it's, it's hard to go back and be like, actually no, you know, well, let's not sure. And it seems like that's what they were, that's what they might be hinting at and like for somebody to do that. And I, again, I don't know if they're exactly doing that, but if you're going to take something you previously said and said, I might have been wrong about that. Like, I, I actually kind of respect that more.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Thinking about it in a different way.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let's pull this up on the screen so we could show the audience what we're talking about. So, so, you know, I made a cheeky little meme. It says before nds pressure and after. And the, and the fans are very familiar with what's been going on. It's not as, it's not a knock against the Blurry Creatures guys or even Albarino. They just so be, they just so happen to be toting a narrative that I find incredibly dangerous. It doesn't matter who was toting that narrative. If you are in a Christian space and you're saying, it's like, I gotta, I gotta disagree with you. You got a huge platform and you're reaching a lot of people I gotta disagree with you. So this is what we were dealing

[Co-host/Interviewer]

with, necessarily disagree with them. They were fighting, but it's fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, so. So this is what was initially happening the day after our episode released.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Great looking thumbnail, too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Great looking thumbnail. And. And this is after the. The debate with Timothy Alberino releases. He takes an impromptu flight over to where the blurry creature boys are. They have a fantastic show. And I. I've listened to it in the past, but this comes out immediately.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Look at the sandals.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is Dallas Spitfire. Flippity Flopperino. Oh, my goodness. Flippity Flopperino is insane. But the thumbnail here. UFOs are real and they aren't demons. And this comes out right after our debate with them. And I don't know. You know, it's. It's a. It's a straw man, if there's ever been one. Who is saying that UFOs are the disembodied spirits of Nephilim? I don't know, but it doesn't matter, because yesterday they released a new episode, and this is where they're at now. UFOs are demonic. And I just want to say, guys, that, like, at the end of the day, what is important. What's important is the truth. And I'm not saying that I have a stranglehold on it. This is just deeply what I suspect to be true.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

This is not even really the truth. UFOs are like. Like craft or.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a step in the right direction, man. It's a step in the right direction. And I'm just going, man. And you can make fun of them for flip flop. Areno in. But.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

And we will, and we will.

[David Lee Corbo]

But ultimately this is good because these guys, God bless them, they have a huge platform. And if. If they're gonna get out there and say this thing, which. Which I agree with to some, at

[Co-host/Interviewer]

the very least, give both sides of it. That's like, kind of.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's fair, that's fair, that's fair.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But just what a turn of events, because this has been quite a saga for us over here on nds, A fun saga. One of the more fun things that we've engaged in is this. This strange conversation that is done through meme warfare. But it's. It's narrative control. It's narrative control. And as we go forward, and we're on the cusp of what seems to be really alien disclosure, getting this aspect of the narrative louder and louder is important. I'm not saying it's true. It's true as I see it. I'm not lying to anybody. But if I believe this to be true in my heart, and I want to warn people against it, the louder I can make it, the more grateful I am. And so that's the name of the game.

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[Co-host/Interviewer]

I. I have been looking at the UFO phenomenon in. In a different way now lately, and kind of overlapping it. I don't know how this even melds with Christians or Christianity, but. But I think the same techniques and aspects that aliens and even demons use, I think that it's. It's not specific to them. I think that Jesus will also replicate these things. Like we were talking about this idea of the implantation. You have the Father, then you have the son that's being implanted, and the. The physical son will then be embodied by a spirit. So, so this demonic entity that is causing that possession is using a trinity, like, personality. Yeah, like, characteristic. I'm not saying it's a trinity. Clearly not. But they're doing. They're consistently mimicking and copying these things that can be. That are used by God. Yeah, the nephilim is a bastardized version of what God did with Jesus Christ, where it's like human being, his. His. His son put into this human being's body to create this perfect human. Yeah, they do it comes out all up, evil giant. No soul, but evil. But they do it. But they do it. And when I'm thinking about Revelation 1:7, where it's like, every eye shall see when he comes down from the cloud. Right. And.

[David Lee Corbo]

And what's that going to look like?

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Well, on the. On the discussion of what we're talking about, like, like, so we're telling people stuff. Stuff. And because we've kind of been haunted by this, and now we're telling people and. And they're opening up their eyes and we're like, is this a bad thing?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Because they're going to be looking like, you know, as you said, as you do the podcast, you're like, I'm having a spiritual attack because I'm. I'm opened up to this thing. But I think the reality is that this thing is always there, especially.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah. For people like us. Like, if you don't do the show, do you still have the same sort of spiritual attack? Maybe. Maybe not as intense because maybe you're on, maybe you're onto something. But I think you still deal with this in your life, just quietly, without a microphone. But if it's our job to open up people's eyes to this, and unfortunately, they're going to see there is a. Yeah, there's a spiritual realm here, and there's like a demonic presence in it, and that those things might reach out to you. You got to learn how to deal with this stuff. But if Jesus is saying that. Oh, sorry, John is saying that. That he is coming in the clouds and every eye shall see him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You often think about, like, how the hell is that gonna happen? How is everyone gonna see him? The same? It's like, because people. I think people have to be open to it. Like that guy that walked away from you, he can't see that. The same way people. If you can be in a forest, if you're not, like, in. In the mindset of believing of a Bigfoot, you're never gonna see this thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, Right.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Maybe you'll see something else. Maybe you'll see an orbit. But, yeah, it'll manifest to you if you have your eyes open to it. If you're looking and it's constantly telling us, be looking, always be looking for the return of the Son of. Of the Son of Man. Always, like, eyes open, look around. And it's like, yeah, well, when you look around, you're gonna see a lot of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, a lot of stuff.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

But we're supposed to be looking for the one thing. Most people aren't even, even Christians. They're not like, really looking for this stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

I have a feeling that after this, you know, we talked a little bit about this war in Iran, in Israel, and, and these orbs showing up and, you know, obviously that email with the, you know, the, the. The military personnel getting a speech about Trump being anointed by Jesus Christ to usher in the second Coming. And we have Easter coming up soon. And before Easter is when the Bledsoe say that the star Regulus is supposed to align with the Sphinx. And this is a prophecy by the lady. And there's going to be some great revelation in the way of information. I think that once they pull the trigger on this disclosure thing, these stories are going to go from dreams and bumps in the night and shadow people and they're going to much more favor what people have been saying. They see in the woods, they see alongside their vehicle as an upright dog, they see in the sky as a Mothman. I think that shit is going to go through the roof. I think it's going to become, in the way that conspiracies have become normalized. But like people look at the Bigfoot stuff a little bit still too fringe. Maybe it's a little bit goofy to some of the people who want to just talk about the nuts and bolts aspect of the recovery operations and the crash craft and the non human biologics and all that. The way that Overton Window has shifted for conspiracies, that Overton Window is also going to shift for the supernatural entities aspect of things. And I think that might be in short order, especially if we're supposed to see this event come to pass in April.

[Tommy Cullum]

It's not long, it's not long away.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I think we're going to be having very different conversations soon, Tommy.

[Tommy Cullum]

Yeah, man. Yeah, absolutely.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I think it's good for. I don't want to say business, but it's good, it's good for us. Yeah, I mean, if you, if you're already a believer, you're ahead of the curve and, and I think voices like ours, like yours are gonna be really important when people are seeing these things. You know, people like you, Tommy, are going to be able to say, like, hey, I've been documenting them actually for a really long time. And so if you want to have a conversation about it, come and have a seat because I've got a lot to say and I, I think that that kind of a person is going to be really important because the last thing you're going to want to do is believe the government narrative on these things.

[Tommy Cullum]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely, man. I, I had someone very recently come to me that was quite close, close to me. I won't say who they were because they won't want me to put it out there. They've struggled with like depression and stuff like that throughout their life. And they very recently come to me and it is Quite difficult when people ask stuff like this, but they're like, do you think I've got some type of possession on me? You know, I think they'd listen to let's Get Freaky and heard some of the things we talk about regarding that kind of thing. And I think spiritual warfare is. Is happening to most people, even people that are not Christians, even people that are, but, you know, don't believe in this kind of stuff. It's there, you know, they are still experiencing it. And. And it was very sad for me in a way, to. To hear this person say that to me, you know, a good way in. In one way, because maybe that. That maybe be able to help them going forward now, hopefully. But I think there is a lot of that. I think there is a lot of people that are unaware of this spiritual battle that are actually being affected.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

You.

[Tommy Cullum]

You were saying about, you know, when things get tense in the house and you start snapping at your kids and your wife and stuff. Yeah, that's all part of it as well, man. And a lot of people don't realize that that is actually a part of the spiritual battle. You are experiencing this battle that, whether you believe it or not, it's there, it's happening, and we. Everyone goes through that. So the more we talk about it, the more we open up and share and, you know, hopefully that can help a lot of people. That's. That's the goal.

[David Lee Corbo]

I agree. I think that's exactly what it doesn't want. It just being this. This whole phenomenon, it doesn't want to be talked about. It wants to remain undetected for the most part, and then it wants to reveal itself and tell you its nature. And. And so, yeah, man.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

No, no, I'm gonna tell the story.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm gonna tell the story. And that's. That's the huge. The huge danger that we have going forward. But luckily, there's. There's no shortage of psychopaths like us, you know, having conversations about these things. And. And, you know, so I hope that we can. We can serve a lot of people going forward. But, Tommy, I want to bring it in for a landing, and I want to ask you one final question before we do that. I have a feeling it'll be a better answer than maybe some of the answers we've gotten from previous episodes.

[Tommy Cullum]

Pressure.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, it's. It's actually a very easy question. Big pressure. It's, you know, you've got this lifetime of experiences, and it's put you in this chair and you're having These conversations at a time that seems really pivotal in, In. In the human story. Right. I mean, 2026, all these things on the horizon, they all seem to play with the very things that you've been researching and talking about for. For all these years. And I'm wondering, as things are going right now, are you having fun?

[Tommy Cullum]

I am having fun. Absolutely. I'm having fun. I think it's. It's scary, but it's exciting, I think. And I know there's a lot of. There's a lot of negative possibly to come, and that sounds quite weird to say exciting. It's maybe not the best word to use, but I think. I think our. I think we've kind of always been in this moment for a long time, you know. Yeah. The world seems to be catching up, up more and more people. You'll still get your people that don't want to have this kind of stuff, but more and more people are very much open to the fact that this world is a lot more stranger and wilder than we believe it is. And, you know, and what the mainstream narrative tells us it is. I think we've got some very interesting weeks to come, and it's going to keep us. It's going to keep us talking, that is for sure. But I am enjoying it. I am. I love talking to guys like you. You know, it makes you feel a lot less crazy when. When we have these conversations because if, if, if I couldn't talk about this kind of stuff and this stuff's. It's there whether I do a podcast or not, you know, I would probably go mad myself. So it's so important to have these spaces where we can have these conversations. The listeners can, Can. Can get involved as well. And yeah, we can just learn together through this, this crazy maze that we're in right now. But I am. I am having fun. Yeah, I'm enjoying it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Amen, brother. I think that's important. I think that's important because I think this, this whole thing, you know, at the end of the day, if you have a. We chalk it up to, you have two choices in all things, and it's fear versus faith. And fear, that's a hard place to have fun in, right? But faith. Faith in the idea that things will work out, faith that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, faith that there is a God who's in control, and faith that you're in opposition to this dark thing. I mean, that's. That's a thing to rejoice in and, and if you're in that spirit, you're having fun. And I get it, man. For the people who occasionally say they're not having fun, it's a dark thing to be looking at, but I think it's just the place that you're standing, where you're looking at it from.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

That determines perspective. Yes, Perspective. Whether or not you're having fun. Thank you, brother. It's. It's been a pleasure talking to you.

[Tommy Cullum]

Thank you, guys. Love what you guys do. It's a pleasure, man.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

Tell the people again where they could follow you, find you.

[Tommy Cullum]

So wherever you listen to podcasts, Apple podcast, Spotify, Amazon Music, wherever you get your podcast, you can also get us on YouTube as well. Let's get freaky. You'll see my little ginger cartoon face with a bigfoot, an alien and a ghost. Can't miss it. It. And yeah, we, we, we get freaky a couple of times a week. Sometimes three episodes a week. Going forward, there's going to be a little bit more, I think. But yeah, very, very much enjoy being on the podcast today, guys. Thank you so much for having me. I love what you. I love what you guys do, man. So keep up the great work.

[Co-host/Interviewer]

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[Tommy Cullum]

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