Year In Review 2025 | NDS

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy

Episode: Year in Review 2025 | NDS
Hosts: TopLobsta & Raven
Date: January 1, 2026

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Overview

The Nephilim Death Squad crew wraps up a tumultuous year with an unfiltered, humorous, and deeply introspective episode. Amid laughs and barbs, TopLobsta and Raven recount the highs and lows of 2025—covering show experiments, personal drama, key guests, live event chaos, spiritual evolution, and their community's growth. The episode intertwines inside lore with honest reflection, capturing the unique energy and ethos of NDS as they move into 2026 with gratitude and clarity about their creative and spiritual trajectory.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Chaos, Comedy, and Confrontation: The Dangerous Retards Era

• The "Dangerous Retards" Show (04:00–12:20):

  • The year began with the pilot of “Dangerous Retards,” a spin-off focused on political and social commentary, which the hosts ultimately found draining and incongruent with their creative spirits.
  • Raven: “I think we find ourselves in this situation a lot where we bring on a tall white guy to the show… The less hair, the worse.”
  • TopLobsta: “It was a political show that we kind of made fun. The fun part was just the intro. When it came to ‘what’s Thomas Massie doing?’ I just don’t care.”
  • Unfiltered self-critique of the show's direction and audience, with plenty of in-jokes about their repeating guest-choices.

• Internal Rifts & Branding (07:22, 11:29, 12:21):

  • Raven reflects on the show's “branding genius,” but admits the content became a burden, leading to the show’s end and some creative resentment.
  • TopLobsta: “Maybe I’m just a hipster with it… I was in on ‘retarded’ a bit early, you might say. Pre-tard. We were pre-tard.”

2. Community, Friendship, and Lore: Tower Gang and Live Events

• The Fall of Tower Gang (14:51–29:57):

  • Recounting episodes, feuds, and infamous moments such as Toad's “How Hitler” song going viral, fallout from Bohemian Grove, and the eventual demise of the Tower Gang show.
  • Hints of public scrutiny, broken venues, and canceled events (“We found ourselves in like a philosophical censorship, you know, sort of battle war.” —Raven, 29:23).
  • Notable Quote: “What a dumb show. Oh my God. Yeah, so the intro went hard, but it was incredibly taxing to do.” —TopLobsta (24:50)

• Bohemian Grove Live Event (43:09–48:58):

  • Described as both “magic” and intensely stressful; a convergence of fans, friends, and inspiration, but also the origin point of major creative and personal changes among the hosts.
  • Reflections on imperfect event order, wild on-stage moments (including rapid-fire “hard R” jokes), and how close the experience brought the fanbase and guest lineup.
  • Nancy (Listener): “Bro Grove was magical.”
  • Raven: “Now that I stand in arguably a better place… Looking back, that was some shit we had to go through.”

3. Spiritual Pivot & Podcasting with Purpose

• Personal Growth and Christianity (60:17–64:24):

  • The hosts discuss the internal sense that their comedic, irreverent personas ("TopLobsta" especially) would inevitably give way to a more spiritually focused endeavor.
  • TopLobsta: “That death of whatever this guy is…TopLobsta is eminent. I’m sorry, people. You’re watching it, but we’ll see when it happens.”
  • The realization culminates after Bohemian Grove and a series of personal experiences—including consulting with a pastor and wrestling with the consequences of online confrontation.

• Community Building and Testimony (84:26–85:11):

  • Listeners report quitting weed, building faith, and finding “dirt brothers and sisters” through the NDS community.
  • The hosts express gratitude for transformative relationships, including those with guest Ed Mabry—“a beacon of light”—and regulars like Matt and Nancy.

4. The Coffee Shop, Christian Library, and New Beginnings

• Moving to a Physical Studio (87:09–101:08):
  • Transition from virtual events to in-person studio recordings, culminating in setting up shop at a unique coffee shop/Christian library, with Matt as both business partner and barista-character.
  • Stories of serendipity connect the shop to earlier live event planning, with revelations that even guests like Shane Cashman wrote standup material there without knowing its fate.
  • The “Matt Face” and studio lore become new inside jokes (“He gives a shit about you. Remembers things about everybody who walks through the door.” —Raven, 93:03).

5. Major Events, Viral Moments, and NDS Lore

• Dayquil Tweet Controversy (75:02–80:53):

  • Raven recounts the infamous viral tweet about his son being bullied, leading to online doxxing, CPS investigation and personal consequences. The story encapsulates the hazards and absurdities of online culture.
  • “I made Dayquil trend.” (78:34)
  • Despite controversy, the hosts stick to not deleting true stories: “It was the truth, and I’m never gonna delete something that was the truth…” (80:33)
  • Reflection on the sometimes toxic bravado inherited from Tower Gang days, and how their perspectives have (mostly) matured.

• Serial Guests, Bible Studies, and Ongoing Gags (92:21–121:04):

  • Recaps of influential guests (Ed Mabry, Donnie Darkin, Tony Merkel, Cashman, and others), and growing into a network that includes serious spiritual and scriptural engagement.
  • Lore: “Gua-min and blappin,” “Blue Letter Bible” donations, and running meta-commentary on in-show memes and catchphrases.

6. Listener Impact & Future Directions

• Listener Call-Outs and Comments (114:25–128:19):

  • Community feedback highlighted as crucial, with listeners naming key bits, episode highlights, and the bonding effect of inside jokes and recurring guest appearances.
  • Heartfelt thanks to those who stuck through the year’s massive changes and personal evolution.

• Aspirations for 2026 (128:18–End):

  • The hosts look ahead with clear desire to build on a foundation of faith, friendship, and authentic creative work in their blossoming community.
  • Explicitly moving towards “fellowship and God” as the central axis, less fixated on high-profile guests and more on quality and authentic connection.
  • Raven: “From here on out it’s really about fellowship and God…but it’s about this thing, this thing that God let us build.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|-----------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:53 | TopLobsta | “I thought that it was a good show…Well, I mean, I think it's a good show because I think people liked it.” | | 12:21 | Raven | “There’s a little sadness… I moved on. But I look back and it was…it held a special place in my heart.” | | 24:50 | TopLobsta | “What a dumb show. Oh my God. Yeah, so the intro went hard, but it was incredibly taxing to do.” | | 29:23 | Raven | “We found ourselves in like a philosophical censorship, you know, sort of battle war. And we were…some of the loudest voices.” | | 43:09 | Raven | “Being on stage with Sam [Tripoli]…we dropped a lot of hard Rs immediately. He was wearing that outfit. He’s asking for it.” | | 60:17 | TopLobsta | “That death of whatever this guy is…TopLobsta is eminent. I’m sorry, people. You’re watching it, but we’ll see when it happens.”| | 80:33 | Raven | “It was the truth, and I’m never gonna delete something that was the truth because you tried to scare me.” | | 93:03 | Raven | “He gives a shit about you. Remembers things about everybody who walks through that door…makes me sick.” | | 120:13 | Raven | “We've talked about the little season maybe less than five times…It's an idea in a sea of ideas. It's fascinating…but there seems to be a strong argument against it.” | | 124:10 | Raven | “We're walking this path with them, and we're just, like, calling other people to the path.” | | 126:02 | Raven | “If we're called to make disciples of men, what is it, what happens to the Great Commission? Does it end?...What then are you supposed to do?” | | 136:52 | Raven | “You’ve been a part of this journey…now we’re at this point where it’s like, we get to offer you something good. Something good for your spirit.” |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• The "Dangerous Retards" Show and Critique: 04:00–12:20
• Tower Gang Memoir & Event Drama: 14:51–29:57
• "How Hitler" Song/Tower Gang Fallout: 19:29–24:41
• Bohemian Grove Live Event Discussion: 43:09–48:58
• Personal Moves and Studio Building: 87:09–101:08
• Discussion of Dayquil Tweet & Online Fallout: 75:02–80:53
• Spiritual Growth, “Death of TopLobsta,” and Show’s Spiritual Direction: 60:17–64:24, 126:02–127:59
• Listener Contributions & Feedback: 114:25–128:19
• End-of-Year Reflections and Hopes for 2026: 128:18–End

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains the raw, off-the-cuff, and comedic tone that defines NDS, with hosts trading inside jokes, poking fun at themselves and each other, and occasionally dropping poignant reflections about faith, community, and growth. There is no separation between the hilarious and the serious; lore, debauchery, vulnerabilities, and spiritual awakenings all exist side by side. The closing attitude is grateful and hopeful, with a clear axis around faith and authenticity rather than fame or controversy.

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Summary

This end-of-year review shows the evolution of Nephilim Death Squad from shock humor and political irreverence to a podcast driven by spiritual inquiry, personal honesty, and community connection—without sacrificing signature humor or self-awareness. The show’s lore and in-jokes are now as much a part of its legacy as the spiritual guidance and testimony it cultivates. The hosts look forward to 2026 with clarity of purpose and deep appreciation for their dirtbag family, ever ready for “a flip” if God calls for it.

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Transcript

[A]

Top Lobster Productions. In the shadows of the ancient ones. They never went away. They're still here today.

[B]

When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Death spot. Death spot. Death spot. Death spot. Death spot. God bless Israel.

[A]

We have 15 seconds to catch, people.

[B]

What do you mean? Oh, so that they.

[A]

They. They watch.

[B]

Yeah. Welcome to another episode, the final episode of the year.

[A]

Oh, I thought you meant like forever.

[B]

Forever.

[A]

Yeah. It's done.

[B]

If forever is 2025, I am David Lee Corbo, aka the Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of Mr. Nasty and. And this is the last episode of Nephilim death squad of 2025. No, it doesn't connect. It's not connected. That's what. That's what was supposed to happen when I pressed that button, but it didn't. It didn't work. We would have been here a lot sooner had we not the Internet just crapped out on. I know there's not a fog machine. We should of old days. We should have set the fog machine up today.

[A]

I know, but what if. If that water goes off, we're in a lot of trouble.

[B]

That would be really horrifying.

[A]

Guys, are the lights distracting?

[B]

Apparently the water only goes off when it detects heat, though those are specifically designed to detect heat. What would have gone off instead would have just been the beep, beep, beep, beep. But we could have, I don't know, sandwich bagged the alarm or something like that. Who knows?

[A]

I don't know what happened here. I mean, we lost Internet. I panic for a second. I got to turn this off. I'm going to have a seizure.

[B]

Yeah, the fireworks years. Guys, we're going to do a year in review, and we've not put any thought into that whatsoever. But what we did do was let the Patreon know that we were, you know, looking for some. Some input as to, you know, all the highlight moments of 2025. From everything that came out of NDS and Chronicles and NEF to America and Straight Bible and all these things that we've. We've built up here. It's been a busy year.

[A]

Yeah, I did a lot of the.

[B]

Comments and I was like, damn, dude, that all happened this year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I think what we should do is say, hi, Nancy, hurry up. Hi. There she is. There's W's in the chat for Nancy, guys. What a fucking. What a sport. So. So, you know, this is. This is only on Patreon right now. There's gonna be no surprise to you guys, you guys who are listening live Right now, engaging in the live chat. You saw Johnny Woodard is gay for Top and Raven. Thank you, whoever just commented that. I don't know. Look at all those W's, though, Nancy. Just getting W's. Fantastic. So. So I guess we'll start from the bottom. I posted a question or more just a post on Patreon talking about that we were going to do this, and the very first response we got was from Chuck. Chuck from Guam. From Guam.

[A]

I'll allow it. Who.

[B]

Who, by the way, has been. He's. He's emerged and he's shown himself. Long time listener, first time shower revealer this year. So that's something nice that happened this year.

[A]

He's a shower, not a grower.

[B]

He is a shower and he's also a bit of a grower.

[A]

He's growing.

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He says, of course. Straight Bible. Wow.

[A]

Do you know how. Do you know how this year? Well, last year ended December 31st. You know what we were doing?

[B]

What were we doing?

[A]

You're not going to guess? Take a guess.

[B]

No, no, no, I can take a guess. What were we doing?

[A]

December 31, 2024.

[B]

Damn. We did the pilot of Dangerous Retards. Wow. That's crazy. It was a good show.

[A]

I mean, it was an all right show.

[B]

It was an all right show. It was. It was great for the masses.

[A]

I think that's a good place to start.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's a good. You know what? Fuck you, Chuck.

[A]

Yeah, fuck Chuck.

[B]

We're going to put you on pause for a second, man. The pilot.

[A]

I like Chuck. Don't say that.

[B]

I don't want to say that about Chuck. I don't take it back. So we. But the first. The first episode of Dangerous Retards, which. Well, what are your thoughts on that show? Just a show, like, as far as, you know, quality, the type of content we were making. Like, what do you think about that show?

[A]

I thought that it was a good show. Well, I mean, I think it's a good show because I think people liked it.

[B]

Yeah. Did you like it?

[A]

It's gonna sound salty. Right? But we have talked about this.

[B]

Yeah, we have talked about this.

[A]

Even when we were doing it.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

No, I didn't like. I didn't like the show. It's not what I do necessarily.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think we find ourselves in this situation a lot where we bring on a, like a taller white guy to the show.

[B]

Is our audio. Somebody said our audio is muffled. Is that true? I don't think that's true, but I'm Willing to ask you guys. Yeah. We bring a taller white white guy, nearly bald. Or at least I see a theme. I don't know what we did there. Is everything all right?

[A]

I hope so.

[B]

Audio sounds fine. So you don't listen to. Who said that? Fucking still reserved.

[A]

Maybe your phone's broke.

[B]

How about that, dude? Maybe you got wax in your speaker. So you were saying we bring on a tall white guy.

[A]

Yeah. This is what we do.

[B]

This is with little to no hair.

[A]

Tall white guy, little to no hair.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The. Yeah. The less hair, I think the worse.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. There's a healthy in between where it's like a little bit of hair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is actually great.

[A]

And then it changes the dynamic of the show of what we're doing. Wildly. Wildly. We go to like extreme gay politics or straight Bible.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I'm happy where we are now. I feel very much the same way as you in regards to the content we were creating on Dangerous Retards. I got to say, it held doing this. Thank you. There he is. It held a special place in my heart. And the reason that it did is because Dangerous Retards was something that I wanted to do for a while, and if you remember, I was always pushing for it, but there was just never an opportunity that presented itself. It didn't make sense at the time. We kind of came up against that multitude of times, but I just knew that something there that was good. That's a good usage of the word. Now, multitude's a word.

[A]

No, it is.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

It's a little bit of a flex.

[B]

But I mean, it was. It's true. I did push for it a multitude of times and then. But you. And you kept saying it just didn't make sense yet. Yeah, over and over again, we would have that conversation. Didn't make sense. Didn't. But what I did know was the branding was fantastic and. And even the formula, I think, was a winning recipe. But at the end of the day, it. Once we executed it, it wasn't what I wanted to do.

[A]

It was good because we're good at doing it.

[B]

We're good at a lot of things. But, yeah, I could do a front flip.

[A]

The reason I didn't like it and it's not. It's not a knock on our. Our co host at the time. It was exhausting for me, like, to do to keep up with politics in that way, which is what it was. It was a political show that we kind of made fun. Like, what really was fun about it was just the intro which is something like a boomer clip that he would send us before the show. I'd edit it in.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And then we go in. We had a good intro, and then we had some topics to hit, and we're like, is Ian Carroll gay? It was like, yeah.

[B]

Well, that was a lot of fun. Those moments were fun. But then when it came to, like, what's Thomas Massey doing? Or something like that, it was like, dude, I don't care.

[A]

I was just looking at this one. It was like, cash Patel says something, and I'm just like, dude, here, let's. This is. This is the description for it is the generator.

[B]

Did we type this up?

[A]

Yeah. So they begin by analyzing the impact of H1B visas on the American workforce.

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Can't believe we ever did that.

[A]

The conversation shifts to Elon Musk examining his role as a polarizing figure in tech and innovation. And then we're talking about. The trio also delves into the rise of Vivek Ramaswamy. I'd rather fucking kill myself. And it's not.

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It sucks.

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It does suck.

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It's not that we. We. We have a tap. We're talented. Right. We have a skill set.

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We the best.

[B]

We the best. We entertain it. Right.

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All those buttons. Press all of them.

[B]

Um, but. But it was like lowering. This is what I said. I had to lower my ideas to engage in a thoughtful way.

[A]

And we're very much doing.

[B]

No, no. My ideas are. Well, it's sort of kind of. I mean, he brings an element that like. Okay, what are you talking about?

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

If you have the ideas that we have.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you're like, let's sprinkle politics in there pretty much every single time. You know what they do have, they.

[A]

Both have in common.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

I didn't realize this big Timothy Albarino stands.

[B]

Dude, they are. What is that? What's.

[A]

That's bizarre.

[B]

Is that big Timothy Albarino enjoyer?

[A]

I think it's like the politics thing and the boomers thing.

[B]

Like, something. There's an age range that just. You look at a guy dressed like. Maybe it's just being a big one of Indiana Jones.

[A]

It's being, like, over 50.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so enjoying and then going, indiana Jones. Yeah.

[B]

Dude. I'm gonna be perfectly honest with you. When I was a kid, really enjoyed those films.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really enjoyed those.

[A]

When I was a kid.

[B]

So I get it. I get it. You want to see a man reach into another man's chest cavity, rip his heart out. Very, very cool. Very cool. I like when they do the, like they're, they, they spring the traps and somebody gets like blasted with some sort of toxic smoke and it melts the skin out there for something cool like that. All right, Very cool.

[A]

But yeah, every day.

[B]

Every day, Every day. I mean, I, you know, I, I appreciate the dedication to the bit, but yeah, it was, it was. Why am I getting. Oh, God, no. Yeah, you guys probably can't hear, but I can hear it. It's just a brutal echo. What is that? You got to make that stop.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

Oh, it's not stopping. Okay, it stopped so. Oh, oh, oh. I saw Alex Jones say yesterday, maybe yesterday, the day before that. Retarded is the new based. Yeah.

[A]

And this is a full year ago. You see, like we've, this is how far behind they are. Like we've already branded it and burned the bridge.

[B]

And burned the bridge. There's a little part of me, I mean, look at, look at my fucking. My gun. Yeah. The dangerous retard.

[A]

You can't even buy those anymore. That company's out of business.

[B]

Exclusive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, like, like seven of you guys got this and that's it. That's all that'll ever be made. But my point is, God forbid they get arrested. So you're a self proclaimed dangerous retard. Why'd you shoot that man? So, so I look at that and I go like, was that us? Because I know that was. And you know, you could see it coming back in this big way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But we.

[A]

Did it ever leave?

[B]

I don't think it ever left.

[A]

No.

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Never left my heart.

[A]

Never. Yeah.

[B]

Did we? Did we? And, and hey, this is to the chat. You can tell us if we're. Or tell me because I'm the one posing the question if I'm being too retarded, if I am too full of myself. But I gotta ask the question. Did we strap a rocket on retarded.

[A]

On retarded in 2025? Was 2025 for you guys? Ours in the chat.

[B]

And then we just. And then we just.

[A]

Then we back along. We said, yeah, we just black. Blacked away from it.

[B]

I just. My thing is I. There's a little part of me that there's a sadness. I'm not bitter and I've let it go and I moved on. But I look back and it was just one of my favorite things for a time. The branding of it. The branding of all of it. Like how much potential dangerous retards has.

[A]

I think I, I, maybe I'm just a hipster with it. Because, like, we were doing it and it was like. That was a lot of fun. And then other people like, yeah, I'm totally too. And then you look at me like, you ain't retarded. You're not a retard, nigga.

[B]

You ain't retarded.

[A]

You just. You're just regular gay.

[B]

That's different.

[A]

Dude, you're flirting with Blair White. We seen you.

[B]

Oh, I like, you were in on retarded a bit early, you might say. Pre tarred. We were pre tar. That's a banger. So, I mean, dripped a little pre.

[A]

Tart on the floor.

[B]

Don't say that. That's gross, man. I guess. I guess we should jump straight into it then, because the entire year kicks off with that, and then. And then it just goes up in flames.

[A]

Well, no, I mean, it builds a crescendo for a while.

[B]

For a few months. When is. When does bohemian growth happen? March.

[A]

Does it?

[B]

Shit, I don't know.

[A]

There.

[B]

June. June. Oh, thank you, Nance.

[A]

Is your water boiled?

[B]

Yeah. Did you. Have you made your noodles? Yes. Okay, good. What were you boiling water for, Nance? Was it noodles? Pour coffee. Oh, coffee. What? Oh, were you doing, like. What are those things you put on the stovetop? It's like a percolator.

[A]

This is how Nancy stays so white. She just boils the water and pours.

[B]

It over her skin. Yeah. She likes the way it feels.

[A]

Yeah. Any kind of pigmentation comes off in the morning. She sees a freckle, she's boil it off. That's not Nancy. You're disgusting. I like. I like her, though. I really do.

[B]

Nancy was a great addition in 2025.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder if she'. She'll stay around.

[B]

I don't know. She comes and goes, you know, in and out of the astral realm.

[A]

Don't. Don't, you know, put her.

[B]

Don't tell all her secrets about her Lucy dreaming. And she won't.

[A]

She'll keep coming. Yeah.

[B]

All right. Well, I think we all learned a valuable lesson, and mine was to not share Nancy's secrets about astral projection or lucid dreaming on the show. And I won't do it again. And I'm sorry. Dance.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

I won't do it again.

[A]

That's a fair compromise.

[B]

I think that's fair.

[A]

David, how much time do you have today? I feel like you gotta leave.

[B]

I have to do.

[A]

I don't care.

[B]

At your house.

[A]

I feel like I told you. I don't care.

[B]

I can't do it in My apartment complex. I'll get demerits.

[A]

Let the records show. I don't care.

[B]

I know. That's the problem. And, well, it's, you know, it's 1247. The sun goes down at 2.

[A]

Well, don't tell people this is evergreen content.

[B]

All right, whatever. Anyway, so. So I guess that's weird that it took as long as June. I could have swore this all happened, like, at the beginning of the year.

[A]

Months.

[B]

It took six months.

[A]

Months for us to do this show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Build it.

[B]

How many episodes? You know what I do want to go through really quick? I want to look at.

[A]

Look, we were playing footsie with. With him a little bit, too. We were going on his show. He was coming on our show.

[B]

We had gone on Liberty Lockdown.

[A]

Yeah, I think a few times.

[B]

That's right. We had. We had. So let's see here. We got as. As many as 15 episodes in. Wow. May. May. May. Yeah.

[A]

Doing them weekly.

[B]

Once a week, we were doing them weekly. Um, let's see some of these. Cash. So episode number two, Cash Patel confirmed as FBI director. Just very gay things that I couldn't care less about as we stand right now.

[A]

But people liked it. I mean, I lost the email, but there was actually. I'll share a little inside baseball with the chat. We had an email for dangerous retards.

[B]

I think I'm still on it.

[A]

Oh, can you please check it?

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because I've been communicating with this guy Seamus. Seamus.

[B]

Fuck that guy.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I told him I. It's funny that you communicate with him. I communicated with. I said, dude, you got to stop. No, I told him.

[A]

So Seamus is a guy pretending to.

[B]

Be Clint Russell.

[A]

Until. I mean, I got a new phone, so I got logged out. So I don't do it anymore. But I would check in, like, a couple. Every couple of weeks, and Seamus would be like, trump is a double secret agent. White hat, black hat.

[B]

He's always talking directly to Clint.

[A]

And he's like, clint, you have to understand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That you can't look at this Q stuff you can't be involved with.

[B]

This one is doing this.

[A]

Trump is doing that. And I will go. I would just, like, go to Q proofs copy paste.

[B]

No, you wouldn't check the fucking. That's the funniest shit in the world, dude.

[A]

I forgot to tell you.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yo.

[B]

You have so much fun sometimes and you don't ever fucking let me in on the fun, dude. What? No, I'm going to look at it, dude. Let me see if I'm still logged into it. That's so funny.

[A]

So I would tell him, I'm like, you're just not trusting the plan hard enough, Seamus.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And. And then I'd sign off, like, slash. Clint Russell. Liberty Lock Pod.

[B]

Yeah. I get a Seamus. Clint Tucker is an idiot. Figure it out, bud.

[A]

Check the scent.

[B]

Yeah, so we'll check the scent. You'll see the last one that I sent you.

[A]

Oh, you're sending to him?

[B]

Dude, I sent it to him. I said, oh, my God, this is so funny.

[A]

What did I say to him? I don't even remember.

[B]

Said when Q said, you are watching a scripted movie. Were they just talking about. Dude, you literally hit it with a whole. This is Q proofs. This is drop number 4,964. Drop number 400, 4000, 419. You're. You have it all in quotes. Q post 2126. Dude, you fucking. You really been going crazy with this guy? Dude, I can't believe you did that.

[A]

But.

[B]

But I said something to him. Oh, okay. The last one that I sent to him was Seamus. For the love of all that is holy, stop. This isn't Clint.

[A]

David. The voice of reason again.

[B]

That's what I did. That was. And that was the last.

[A]

I think this is what we got from 2025 too.

[B]

I can't believe you, David.

[A]

David becoming just a huge faggot. What happened?

[B]

Somebody's gotta fucking keep us, you know, from falling off of the cliff on either side.

[A]

No, man, we're doing a flip.

[B]

Oh, my God. We're doing a flip.

[A]

I believe you've been doing. I was talking to him, like, a couple of times. That's to keep them going. Because I do think it's funny that it's like, this guy has a really high profile account.

[B]

Who is he?

[A]

No, Clint.

[B]

Oh, Clint. Clint.

[A]

And some guy that's, like, real concerned about his, like, welfare of, like, what he's thinking politically.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just like, listen, these people don't know you understand.

[B]

It's all about Q posts.

[A]

I might say one thing online, but it's.

[B]

That's so funny. That's so funny, dude.

[A]

I can't probably go to jail for this.

[B]

I think probably something like that. Why did this just happen?

[A]

Misrepresenting my Persona as a bald man.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

Whatever. We have a little bit of fun.

[B]

All right, well, let me be honest.

[A]

I've been. I think I've been doing this since even before we broke up with Clint.

[B]

I just been talking to Seamus. That explains why he's so, like, fervent. Is that even a word? He just keeps emailing. The day that I said, like, hey, dude, you got to stop. Six emails came in that day. Yeah, six emails. And I said, seamus, this isn't Clint.

[A]

No, he's letting us know the news. Maybe, but do you see why? It was. The show was exhausting.

[B]

Well, let's see what else we got here. We got episode three. The Tate brothers not welcome in Florida. Couldn't give a fuck. I mean, it's kind of funny, but, like, okay, here's number five. Thomas Massie defies Donald Trump.

[A]

Ian Carroll opens the floodgates on Joe Rogan. I just don't.

[B]

Oh, this one was good. Number nine, Chatham House Rules. That was about Tim Pool.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think the show really climaxed with our. When Toad. Not When Toad gets fired. There was, like, a beautiful build up to it.

[B]

The Toad of the Spear. Yeah, because there was number 12, which was HH.

[A]

That's. That's the. So this happened one week, and then the next week, Toad. Toad is, like, at the tip of this thing. So.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's funny because it was called the Toad of the Spear.

[A]

Yeah, well, so Kanye drops that song, and we're like, yo. All right, here are the. The social and political ramifications for this song. Yeah, everybody misses it. Like, Dave Smith. Everyone is all flustered about the Jews and all stuff. Like, no, no, you don't get what he's doing here. This is what he's doing. Toad comes out with the COVID and then gets fired about a week later after that. Yeah, that was a crazy time. I think that's when things started to get turned upside down.

[B]

That's where. Yeah, the world got inverted and everything went super crazy. I think that maybe there's even something to be said about the. The tension that went into this entire, you know, losing of the venue for Bohemian Grove and all the stuff that ultimately led to the demise of. Of Tower Gang and Dangerous. And all this probably started with Toad getting fired. And the reason I say that is because it did put some pressure on the gang, because you have this clear clip, which Laney edited into the intro of Tower Gang, where you're, like, saying, like, hey, you know, this is. You're gonna get. This is if you do this thing.

[A]

Was I saying that?

[B]

I'm pretty sure. And then Clint's like, go ahead and do it. Like, he's pushing for it to happen, and then Toad gets fired. And I'm not saying Clint bears any responsibility at all. It's just really funny the way it looks framed.

[A]

And I'd love to smack him around, but, no, it's always been. We've told each other, hey, there's consequences to what we're doing. You know that.

[B]

Yeah, we know that.

[A]

We're all big boys here.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So when you keep on. I told. And I had told Toad privately as well. I was like, that's really funny. You gotta understand what you just did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like sometimes we do things and we're like, this is funny. This is good. You poke the nest a little bit. People are mad. But I was like, no, no. You've expertly poked the nest.

[B]

I would love to know to what degree that the virality was reached on that Toad cover.

[A]

You will never know because it's been shared around so many people. Like, people that I don't. That don't follow me online.

[B]

They know who he is. Yeah, they know who he is. There was a.

[A]

Like, we put a clip on Facebook of Toad the last. When he was on the show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And someone on my personal Facebook was like, I saw that guy.

[B]

Yeah, you did.

[A]

I was like, no idea. You have no idea. Like, my involvement in this. Like, this guy's throwing up in my bathroom. Like, yeah, you know, this guy.

[B]

I wish that. I can't even find, like, the original post, but I know it had to be, you know, plus 20 million, maybe more. Maybe. I would say probably more like, on.

[A]

X then it gets shared on Instagram.

[B]

I mean, there's one here that's like, somebody. We don't even know who shares it. And it's 780,000 views.

[A]

Yeah, no, it went crazy, dude.

[B]

I. Wait, I think I might have found it. This one only has 9 million, but, like. Yeah, you can't really. You can't really tell because it just gets shared, you know, over and over again from all these different. You know, all these different accounts.

[A]

So they watched it on Tim. On Tim Pool.

[B]

Yeah. Which was, honestly, a surreal moment. It was a surreal moment just knowing, like, what was happening culturally. I think there was a significant cultural impact that that song had. And then, you know, even more so after he gets fired. You know, the. The ripple effect from that is significant. And really, it all does sort of come to a head at Bohemian Grove with him strumming his little ukulele, singing Nigga How Hitler on stage.

[A]

Let's check this out, because I think it's the beginning of this.

[B]

Oh, what we. That you actually have the. The song.

[A]

Well, of course. There's, like, ads for Ivermectin on here.

[B]

Yeah. Go rumble.

[A]

Shout out Chris Pavlovski.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And another one like, hey, do you know if you put your phone in rice?

[B]

It's so funny how many people still reach out about that show, though, to, like, try to either be on it or some. Did he say the N word? I'm just curious.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He says it all. You have to do.

[B]

The best.

[A]

Oh, my God. I'm crying.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

What a good time.

[B]

It really is. It really is. I. I haven't heard this.

[A]

Look at Shane. Get me.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

If someone's gonna put that word in their song, don't get mad when people quote it. Personally, I don't. Never will.

[B]

I, like, now you can say it. I feel like you're asking me to say it.

[A]

Or Al Hiller.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I don't say it because, like, whatever.

[B]

Shut up. I don't know who that is.

[A]

I don't even know who this is.

[B]

I have no idea what this is. I'm definitely not.

[A]

Not kidding around.

[B]

Like, not that I'm trying to encourage you to, but I didn't say the hard R. That big of a deal. It's like.

[A]

It's just like any other swear word.

[B]

Hold on, hold on. Names or anything. I didn't use a hard R. Said nigga. This is dangerous.

[A]

What a dumb show. Oh, my God. Yeah, so the intro went hard, but it was incredibly taxing to do. Yeah, well, because it's not my lane, like, for Clint, and maybe that's why Clint's always so tired.

[B]

What do you. He doesn't do anything.

[A]

He does this. He does that all day. What?

[B]

Oh, look at. Look into.

[A]

Look in the pol. Yeah, I think that's what it is, dude. You're looking into politics like that. It's hiring, man.

[B]

I. You know what, though? Hearing that song, hearing the intro there and then hearing the. The How Hitler cover by. By Toad really did kind of bring me back down memory lane there. That was a tumultuous time.

[A]

Tumultuous.

[B]

It was a chaotic time.

[A]

I was thriving.

[B]

Yeah, we were. We were like. We were like Mad Men during that. During that era there. And. And it really does. We just get on stage and just go.

[A]

And it just.

[B]

As. As hard as you could go for, bro.

[A]

He means, like you explained yesterday to Danielle of something about rabbits.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I was telling. You know, it went this way and went that way, and we're not trying to. It was like. No, no. There was only One way for that show to go.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

This was the way that it was going to always go. There's nothing.

[B]

Meaning Bohemian Grove.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There now, looking at what was happening and being reminded of the energy of that time. You're correct. There was only one way Bohemian Grove was going to go. And, you know, I've gone back and forth my feelings on the event while I was there. It was incredible how I. How I felt post nut after the entire event. I felt a little dirty. I felt a little bit concerned with the direction that I was going and the fruits that I was bearing, you know, from that sort of a thing. And, you know, it changed my trajectory and certainly the trajectory of the entire show. But now that I stand in arguably a better place, and I think that the. The fruits that this thing we do now bears are much better. So. So now that I'm in this place where I'm happy with what we're doing, I look back at that and I go, like, yeah, man, that was some shit we had to go through.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There was no way. We were fighting a bit of a war there and we were in the trenches. You know what I mean? The. The. This show Dangerous retards that we were doing was like, part of this. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[A]

This was the. This was the explanation of what happened.

[B]

After we lost the venue and put some glass. This studio looks way better.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, cameras, but it functions. We had actually called the owner at this time. You didn't meet him. He was the guy that came up to me.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But we edited it out. Edited it out of this clip because I didn't want to put his voice on. But this is us. If you guys are ever interested and you're like, to understand the fallout between me. Clint. I guess it's specifically just me and Clint.

[B]

Man, he looked rough back. I don't know what he looks like now, but he was looking.

[A]

Yeah, he wanted more of a downward angle. I was like, how about you just get rid of the double chin?

[B]

I. I think I look very young and exuberant. He looks.

[A]

But yeah. So over here, I mean, Al was actually in the room. Our. Our videographer. Because we did come from the fucking Ivermectin thing. We came from the venue and then recorded this right after. So, like, if there's ever any doubt as to what happened, you could just go back and watch that video.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's all there and, you know, posterity. Yeah.

[A]

But we. There is a part that Was edited out. We called the owner of pretty much the entire town.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Spoke with him about it. He told us that we should sue. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was crazy. It was really crazy.

[B]

We were engaged in a real. He looks like a walrus disguised as a human necklace. That's not nice. Hello? That's our friend who doesn't return our phone calls. So. So, yeah, man. I think there's. There's no way to really emphasize how much of a. Of a. Of a fight we were in. We found ourselves in like a philosophical censorship, you know, sort of battle war. And we were, for that period of time, I think, some of the loudest voices in that conversation.

[A]

Yeah. And nobody cared.

[B]

Nobody cared. Nobody cared. But it did a number on us. It. I think it aged me probably five years, I would say, after that entire event. And there he is. He's in the chat. He's still gay. That's unfortunate. Well, you know, can't win them all.

[A]

Yeah, be that way, man.

[B]

And then. Yeah, then that all leads to the fall of Tower Gang, which, you know, feels like a long time ago. It was just six months ago. Six, seven months ago. Yeah, it's due. Yeah. Six months ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This.

[A]

It's crazy because this all happens within, like, three days. So, I mean, whatever. That's 2025.

[B]

That's the beginning of 2025.

[A]

That's the middle of 2025.

[B]

The middle of it.

[A]

But really, what seems like the beginning. I think somebody got assassinated, some stuff.

[B]

Oh, who got assassinated?

[A]

Exactly. Exactly.

[B]

I remember anymore. Well, let's go through a little bit of the comments here on Patreon. See, Angry Lobster. I guess what he means is, is Mr. Nasty. Because Angry Lobster is no different. And Mr. Nasty was a nice thing to come out of 2025. And I think that that really was Matt finding this really fantastic way to brand exactly the character.

[A]

That's what I've always been.

[B]

Exactly what you've always been. But specifically, this character that emerges from time to time. Yes, it is, in fact, Mr. Mr. Nasty. It's much more. It's. It's much worse than Top Lobster. Top Lobster has a playful side. Mr. Nasty is not playful.

[A]

Daddy Nasty.

[B]

Daddy Nasty. It's Daddy Nasty to you. Let's see. Joey on Patreon says, I know it's recent, but the in the graves disease bit specifically had me pulled over, catching my breath. I'm glad that you guys like that. That was a fun episode. Always love talking to those guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Plain sight.

[A]

That was a. I guess we could talk about that a little bit, because that was a return to comedy for us in a way, which is nice. We'll get to that.

[B]

Yeah, we should put a little pin in that, because also because of those guys, we got to make an appearance that almost felt entirely meaningless on Alex Stein's show, which, you know, we were on thanks to Brad of. Of Hidden in Plain Sight. And. And it was kind of a little bit of a strange experience.

[A]

You remember this guy?

[B]

The Pope?

[A]

The Pope? No, the last Pope. It just. I'm trying to go through the episodes.

[B]

The last Pope. That was a fun episode. Who did that with us? Is that Donnie?

[A]

No, this was an. Actually a very fun episode.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I remember it.

[B]

The gay Asian dude.

[A]

Yeah, some gay Asian dude from TikTok.

[B]

Brandon. I'm sorry, Brandon. Not Brad. Yes.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you, JJ.

[A]

Right, so we did this episode's important. Episode 136. This airs in March.

[B]

In March. This is a big guy on Tick Tock.

[A]

Yeah, like, millions of views on Tick Tock. He's going to tell us about why this is the last Pope he came.

[B]

On, which is the prophecy of Saint.

[A]

Malachi, I believe, had really no information.

[B]

Zero information.

[A]

He asked me to edit out part of the episode where I was talking about sexuals on the White House lawn. I told him no. Yeah. Kick rocks. Never spoke to him again. But this episode sticks out for me because I was late to this episode. You started it without me, which never happens.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[A]

Because I was checking out the venue for Bohemian Grove.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. This is when. This is, like, when these things were all coming into place. So three months in advance, I was nailing this down, and then I ended up shooting back just in time. But we had. We're like. I remember this episode because I was like, okay, we're going to be building something really cool in this specific area.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's going to look.

[B]

That was the plan.

[A]

That's the plan. This is when it started.

[B]

And. And that's the same month that I moved here.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[B]

So I moved my whole life out of the hood. Finally liberated myself from, you know, the. The shithole that I was in. The converted motel that I lived in and moved all the way here to Lady Lake. It was a crazy time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, just in. In within the context of, like, building a studio, running a show, moving your life, getting ready for Bohemian Grove, checking out venues, engaging in this gigantic, you know, battle on X, having these. These shows fall apart, adding shows falling like it was crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was so crazy. What a chaotic time that those few months were like, March, April, May, June, just blap, blap, blap, blap.

[A]

A lot of, Yeah, a lot of, like, starting and stopping. Like, I felt like, all right, we're gonna, we're like, we're doing stuff and then we put it to the side. Then we make some, like, major things happen. So at that time, you moved here. Clint moves here shortly after.

[B]

And like, it feels like everything is about, oh, neft to America with messages from Mom. I'm. We have to start doing that.

[A]

We'll get to that.

[B]

I would love to start doing that again. We've just been so busy. But yeah, I mean, Clint moves all the way from Miami to a fucking broom closet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? And I've talked about on the show, too, like, I understand a lot of his, his resentment because it was like, you know, I moved to a nice little apartment with high ceilings and, you know, it's a two bedroom and it's a cute place. He did move to a shithole.

[A]

He did that himself.

[B]

He did do that himself.

[A]

This is, this is a guy who's a millionaire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who, if you want to live, I mean, to be honest, you guys were paying similar rent anyway. I just.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Well, you know, I think what he did want to do was, like, convenience. Live across the street from the. Because think about that setup. If it wasn't a shithole. You live across the street from your studio, you live next door to the theater that you're supposed to be doing live events at. Like, that's a kind of a cool setup, you know? So it's beyond convenience. It was like, this could be dope. It just all ended up not fucking going that way. You know, the thing is, though, when life doesn't go the way you think it goes, do you just, like, pull the plug or do you remain steadfast and look and wait for the dust to clear and see what the next avenue of opportunity is? You know what I mean? So I, I, I, I will always say I understand the frustrations that he was going, a dude didn't even have a, a washer dryer. He had to go, he's a millionaire. He's never had to wash his laundry among black people.

[A]

It makes for very good comedy, though.

[B]

It does make for extra. Yeah.

[A]

Driving a Corvette to, like, some rundown, which is hilarious.

[B]

It's so funny. It's so funny.

[A]

But again, it's like, you're doing this to Yourself, though.

[B]

Yeah. And when it all fell apart, this.

[A]

Is like me going to Jamaica and then being like, what the fuck? Like, you know, like, yeah, like you went to Jamaica.

[B]

But see, that's my thing, though, is like, it fell apart for all of us, right? Yeah, but, like, you've got a wife and kids and a mortgage and I've got a wife and kid, and I just moved to this new place. He's a single bachelor who's a millionaire. Who gives a shit what falls apart? You know what I mean? Like. But it did seem like he took it the hardest, which is, you know, whatever. Who knows? I'm sure that our perspectives are biased, but I didn't have an opportunity or I didn't have the ability to fall apart. I literally had to dig my heels in and go, okay.

[A]

I suppose it was, it was that. It was the way. I think it was the way out. Because what happened was, is like, I think the disagreement was like, I told him, you're just not going to talk to me like that. Yeah, you're not. Like, I've done everything here.

[B]

What was an apology is what you were looking for. You were saying, hey, man, like. Or you mischaracterize this shit.

[A]

Not just, I don't care about an apology because most, most time people don't mean it. But I'm like, you're not going to fucking, like, going forward, you're not going to talk. You're not going to talk about me like that, right? Like, I did all this and that's like.

[B]

And then that.

[A]

But that, that becomes like this weird spiral of like, me, me, me, which in a sense is correct. Like, yeah, I can't let people take advantage of me because I did do all this. But then you can't. You can't do things. You can't do things and then go, oh, me, like, you know, I'm the guy. Look at, look at me. I don't want to do that. But I also can't let you run. Run me over like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was like, hey, realistically, what happened here is you packed up a truck full of stuff, which is really just like your kitchen table that you had boxes on top of. And.

[B]

Yeah. Because he came from a fully furnished.

[A]

Yeah. And. And then you moved over here for an opportunity that would have been worthwhile when it dropped through. No one's fault. I mean, I'm going to blame Owen Benjamin for something that he did, you know, 10 years ago.

[B]

It was nobody's fault. It just wasn't the place for Us. It wasn't what we were supposed to do.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

What we were supposed to do showed itself.

[A]

Yeah. And unfortunately, listen, maybe it could have been my fault for not vetting the place properly, but I know the guy who owns the town. Yeah.

[B]

It kind of had an in there. Yeah. Like, the ultimate in is the dude that owns 50% of Main street or more.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He told me. I. He. He knew what I did. He's fans of. He was a fan of, like, the things that I worked for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

All the lights.

[A]

Yeah, go do this. And I was like, all right. Some. Some red lights were like, this guy's clearly gay. Yeah, this. But I'm like, I don't know. He doesn't own it.

[B]

Show me a theater manager that's not gay.

[A]

As a matter of fact, like, a venue that is a possibility to us for Bohemian Grove now is another theater that is. But it's like, 40 minutes away. And I looked on their Facebook page, and they. They have, like, a gay overlay over their logo.

[B]

And I was like, not doing that again. Not making that mistake again.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, anything gay. Yeah. Is. Is retarded, but not the way we like it.

[B]

No. Not the cool kind of retarded. Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, he's like, hey, Top Lobster, I got a new theater. You see, it sits seats this many, and it's like. It's a nice little theater, too. Would be a good spot.

[B]

It looks like a cool spot.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know, doing gay.

[A]

Yeah. And what we're doing now, I think is probably more offensive to them.

[B]

Well, that's the thing, is what fell apart. Had to have fallen apart because we couldn't have moved this close to God with Clint. I don't think we would have made that move. Or maybe we would have. I don't know. I mean, I know there was a time where it seemed like he was coming to, you know, believe in God and then try to define what God was. And, you know, he's leaning towards Christianity. But I just think that a time came for us to make a definitive step towards Christ. Wouldn't have been able to do that with Clint.

[A]

Yeah. Actually, this is a. An astute observation here by somebody named Joshua.

[B]

Joshua.

[A]

Just yesterday on. On X. And he says, oh, this is.

[B]

I saw this. Oh, wait, no, never mind. This is not what it is.

[A]

In 2026, Prediction Tower Gang will record a reunion episode, but Top Lobster will not join them. And then Laney put that there. I just said, you know, this thing, these Nuts. But he's right. That's very funny. I think he's right, though. Yeah. It's one of these things where it's like, yeah, I can't. I can't go back. Even though I love those guys, I just. I. I can't. I can't do that. That thing again.

[B]

And, you know, also, it was fun. You know, somebody said, you know, one of their favorite things was when, you know, when I would show up either, like, with the do rag or whatever or, you know, after MMA practice, and it was like, yeah, dude, I. I looked forward to those times where I was invited on the show. I'd come back and I'd be like, yeah, I'll be on after this. And then I'd get myself a beer, and we would just, you know, have a ton of fun. But like I said before, the fruits of what we're doing right now are definitively good. And the fruits of what we were doing there were murky.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it wasn't like we were setting out to be evil, but it was like. And some people got a laugh for it. Some people had entertainment. Some people even said it got them through hard times. But then everybody else would also say, like, yeah, I would be smoking and drinking every Wednesday night doing the same. It's like, is. Is that what I want to put out? I don't know, man. I don't know. I know. This is what I want to put out, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that. That is. You know, maybe somebody different wouldn't overthink it, but I would think about it a lot, and it was like, the momentum would keep us going. Like, we're doing this thing, but I would stop every once in a while, and I'm like, is this. I have my foot in one arena and in another arena, and, like, we still do comedy. We still have a lot of fun. We still laugh our ass off on this show, but it's not, like, you know, overtly disgusting. Yeah, that was really. A lot of. It was like. I think it was the overt sexual nature of everything kind of was a little bit wonky, too.

[A]

I didn't. I. I didn't bring that, and I.

[B]

No, no, I know that, but it was there.

[A]

I mean, I would show sometimes videos of people breastfeeding just because I thought it was hilarious. We're getting, like, banned on YouTube.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, there's this lady who's clearly doing this sexual purposes.

[B]

We have another one here. Joey says Ernesto.

[A]

Ernesto is a more recent phenomenon.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It is. I talked about it on the Ravens watch. And. Or not the Ravens watch. The Raven. And that was. That was a lot of fun. But, yeah, that is definitely a newer one. Chad says Owen Benjamin and Sam Tripley at Bohemian Grove.

[A]

I mean, I forgot that that, like, uh, was even a big deal because.

[B]

There was a mending of the. The relationship between the two of them.

[A]

Yeah. But for us, it was. For me, I was like, so you're talking about Bohemian Grove and how when you were doing it, you were performing and you were, like, caught up in it and you. For me, it was just like. It was a. A sterile task. Like, my only real performance was with Sam Tripoli. And I was able to kind of, like, ease into that. Then after that, I was, like, just working.

[B]

That was fun, though. Like, being on stage would say we went hard. We dropped a lot of hard Rs immediately. I think like a 6, 7, 8, 9 hard Rs.

[A]

He asked.

[B]

He wanted it.

[A]

We delivered.

[B]

He. He was wearing that outfit. He's asking for it.

[A]

I think he sensed it. He sensed what was going on there. He was like, this is what. This is what is happening in this place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he just went wild with it. And we're like, okay, okay, we're gonna.

[B]

Follow you lead the way, Daddy.

[A]

Yeah, but I don't. Not anymore. But anyway. Yeah, so that was like, Bohemian Grove was that thing. But I was, like, working through it, so it was hard for me to, like, understand what it was until after. And then I was like, oh, yeah, that's what that was. That was weird.

[B]

It was weird. I mean, Nancy says, bro Grove was. Was magical.

[A]

We.

[B]

I do think we captured something really wild there. Like, we did something really special. We couldn't stop and smell the roses. And also, we can't produce a documentary, so none of the footage will ever see the light of day. And I'm almost like, is that. Maybe that's the point. It's like we did a thing. If you were fucking there.

[A]

Yeah. If you were there, you could buy it on vhs.

[B]

Can you? Do we have, like. Wait, what if you were there? It was a crazy experience. And as far as this show goes, I think we did a damn good job.

[A]

I think the order of the show could have, like. I think Sam was right. It could have. We should have headlined the show. We set up Cult of Conspiracy for failure a bit.

[B]

That was our fault. Yeah.

[A]

I was trying to do it out of respect. I didn't want to, like. But. But they went after us, and I guess people were there to see Nephilim Death squad and not like a round table. So when the roundtable went, people were kind of uninterested. They were buzzing around. And then, you know, we should have went. We should have went last or. I don't know, before the stand up or after. I don't need whatever. We're not doing that anymore. So, I mean, whatever.

[B]

The. The order of events should have been. Whatever could have been done differently. There's no sense in, you know, really focusing on that. And even still, with all of its imperfections, which there was numerous, it was something really remarkable. I mean, people were coming up to us and saying, like, what you guys have pulled off here? Like, I remember Lauren Witzke pulling me to the side, and she's like, holy, dude. And I was like, I don't know what the fuck's going on. I don't know what's going on. I just know we have, like, this really. For me, it was a weird dynamic. We had friends of the show, meaning, like, listeners, especially, like, the VIP front row is like, all the faces that we know, the people that were in the chat all the time. That was a really special experience. And then as far as the performers go, there are friends who we've worked alongside and then a lot of our friends that we've looked up to and have been inspired by. So in that way, it was like, what a. What a special. It was almost like, who are we to get to have this? Not just like, who are we? Like, look how cool this is. Who are we to get to have these people in the same room as us? These people who inspired us, who we worked with, the people who have supported us, who we see in the chat all the time? Who are we to be surrounding ourselves with these people right now?

[A]

And that's why I put, like, we put Nephilim Death Squad second. It was like, the middle of the show because it was like, on day one. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're like, yeah, who the. I'm gonna. I'm gonna headline for Sam Tripoli or Elijah Schaefer or Jake Shields is like, no, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, like, we're. We're in. We're a conspiracy. We're gonna do that in this day, sort of. And then we're paying respect to, like, a podcast. Who is bigger than us? Cult of. Cult of Conspiracy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, all right, they're gonna go next, and they're gonna lead up to. We had Brad Binkley there. We had. Yeah, it was a.

[B]

You know what's funny? The Trump impersonator Oh, yeah, good timing. I was watching Righteous Gemstones, and he was on the show Righteous Gemstones on hbo. And I'm looking at this guy and.

[A]

I go, I know this fucking familiar dude.

[B]

Weird energy, bizarre guy. But I'm looking at him and go, I'm pretty sure that's the fucking Trump impersonator. And I went. It was hard to find him because he's, like, very obscure, but I did find that it was him. So I'm like, damn, dude. How weird is that? But, yeah, man. I mean, even the magic of what happened on that stage, you have those guys. Cashman, Elijah Schaefer, Jake Shields, you know, I don't think Binkley was up there, but it was like. I went over and it was like the towers moment when. When the towers got struck, and they went over to George Bush Jr. And whispered in his ear. I go up and whisper in. In Cashman's ear that, like, Israel just struck Iran or whatever the hell it was. And he was just. Just like, what, dude? And then the news broke on the stage, and then the Trump impersonator gets up to read Trump's tweet about the bombing in the Trump cadence. It was fucking crazy. It was crazy, man. And it's. What's really weird is when it's over, you know, you're there in a working capacity, so it's just like, all right, on to the next thing. On to the next thing. Now we got to rush out now. We got to go to this VIP dinner, which, by the way, was really cool. Yeah, the VIP dinner with all the people who support us. Just being able to hang out there, eat, have some drinks, and, like, end the night that way was really dope. And then it's done. It's just over. And all of the months of preparation and the stress, I mean, like, it's done. And you're just standing there like, holy crap, dude.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's over. You know, you, like. You almost don't even know what to do with yourself after that. Except for exclaim, we're never going to fucking do this again. This is a cool one. What is this, man?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, this is these guys on the stage. This is their little reunion. They called us up after a while, so we got to join them. And, I mean, just.

[B]

That is like, you know, this is another one, though.

[A]

Like, I, like, I took myself off the stage. I think I gave the mic to Shane Cashman or something like that, because I'm like, I don't really belong. Yeah, I gave it to Shane it was a real weird moment.

[B]

A lot of fun to do after losing that venue. Like, this came together really, really well. Like the stage, the decor. Yeah, I know. That backdrop was a little bit baggy. I couldn't figure out a better way to hang it. Me and my cousin Gabe hung that up and just a table arrangement, like everything was like.

[A]

I actually made that table.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I cut that table out of wood. And then we did some weird stuff for it. But it's like a fly.

[B]

I don't want to get gay. I don't want to toot our own horn too much. I mean, I know, but that's kind of what the episode was about. But Chuck from Guam said, you belong up there. Like, yeah, dude, look, these people, they are actual towns. We've met a lot of people in this space that are unremarkable. Those guys that were on that stage are not those people. But they're not. Honestly, I'm going to say it. They're not different than us. They've just been doing it longer than us.

[A]

Yeah, we've.

[B]

We've seen a ton of unremarkable people that are, you know, as high of a caliber as an entertainer or whatever, have the clout that those guys have and don't deserve it. And I'm not saying that we deserve what they have. I'm saying when we're up there talking to them, it feels like talking to friends.

[A]

Yeah, there are friends.

[B]

It doesn't feel like I'm in the presence of somebody who's better than me. It feels like we're doing just fine, keeping pace with some of the heaviest hitters in our space. And, and, and at the end of the day, dude, it was Nephilim Death Squad presents Bohemian Grove. It's still going to be Nephilim Death Squad presents Bohemian Grove. I'm glad that we did it the way that we did it these first few times and we got a spotlight on it and people know what it is and people want to be a part of it. But from here on out, it's. It's definitively ours. It always has been, but it is ours.

[A]

It does make me sad because, like, you're looking at, like, what it was. Here's. This is afterward when freaking Elijah Schaefer comes up. He's already piss drunk.

[B]

He's so shit faced. Yeah.

[A]

But these guys like, like Jose and Clint decided to, I don't know, just exclude themselves from. I never told them not to come.

[B]

No. Yeah. They just removed themselves and it's like.

[A]

Man, why'd you do? Who cares about like what you can gain from networking or being on a video? Who. Like that's about a special moment. Yeah. What about like hanging out and, and doing that thing? Doing the thing.

[B]

Still reserve said. How will you top that? I don't think we will. I don't think the point is to top that. I think the point is.

[A]

Yeah, I don't want to top that. That was something that will never happen again. Yeah, it was just a fun thing.

[B]

I think from here on out it's really about fellowship and God. We can still have fun and make jokes and all this shit, but it's about this thing, this thing that God let us build. And if we're going to build a whole show around it, a live event, it should just be this thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not like, you know, I've been talking about a little bit that we were going to have like Sam Hyde. Sam Hyde's never even been on the show. Like why, why are we going to do that? Why are we thinking through the lens of like, what big comedian can we get to put this thing on the map? No, let's, let's have like, let's have the Ed Mabries and the Laura Bakers and like, let's have the people who are friends of the show who have made. I would love to have like a Vicky Joy Anderson or you know, even one day if we can get Tony to a thing like that. I mean, Tony was on episode what, 14?

[A]

Yeah, something like that.

[B]

14. I mean, you know, Donut and, and, and Thomas the paranoid American messaged me last night. Did he really?

[A]

You're talking about Eddie? Just let me know he's got another episode with him coming up.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

In Jan. Sometime in January. He doesn't even know. Must be nice.

[B]

Honestly, I was thinking about like, do we just pre record like that?

[A]

Like what?

[B]

Like just go crazy pre record like that. I, I dream of the day. One day where we don't have months in advance. I know. Where we don't have to re release five episodes of a week. Yeah.

[A]

When we do. Yeah, when we release two episodes a week. Yeah, we lose all of our fan.

[B]

Base, but at least we'll keep our sanity. But Austin Picard, right? Donut. Like these guys, these are the guys that I, I want to be a part of this thing and I don't care about how, how big it is. I think that's what was the point of these first few was like, we got to get this bitch on the map. Or at least I don't know if it was the point, but in hindsight, it's certainly what happened.

[A]

Oh, also, honorary mention, huge shout out to. To Tyler. Tyler the lawyer.

[B]

Oh, hell yeah.

[A]

Yeah. If he's, if he's not there, he flies out from California to help us do this. He wasn't going to come, but when all this shit fell apart, he flew out and he ran. He's running the AV and he's also running the live stream for this show. So a lot of what you're seeing and what's happening in the audio cues and shit like that, I'm running back and forth with him. Yeah, but he's doing most of this. He's got two laptops.

[B]

That guy is the man that. He came out there and he did that for us for two days.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I mean, unbelievable.

[A]

The best.

[B]

That's just what I want, man. I just want. I want it to be, you know, I want Chaney to, to show up. I just want the people who have been on this show, who we consider friends, I want them to be here. We talked to Danny of the Rabbit Hole podcast yesterday. We invited her. I don't think we need, like, you know, Sam and Owen are an exception because Owen's been on the show because we've been on Sam's show. Like they are friends of the show. But as far as, like, comedians go, I think the buck kind of stops there. I think it stops there. Like those two dudes are special to what we do. So I could see them making appearances in the future. Honestly, I kind of want to give this next one a crack, which is like not some heavy hitting headliner. I want it to just be like the NDS family. And I don't mean to exclude those guys. I'm just trying to draw some delineation that this isn't an Owen Benjamin shout out to Jeremy Livesey or whatever. This isn't an Owen Benjamin Sam Tripley event.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is a Nephilim Death Squad event. And I think it's about time that we. We make that apparent. And in the future we'll open that up again and we'll have those guys on because they're always going to be a part of what we do without guys like Owen Benjamin, without guys like Sam Tripley. You know, those are dudes that really laid the path for this show and a gang of other ones. So I'll always be grateful for him. But, you know, I think it's time to start ironing out what this is. Right. And then revisit once we've established what it is, then we revisit it, and we have these people on, but, you know, you understand the terms.

[A]

So, yeah, as we're. As we're leading up to Bohemian Grove, I'm looking at some of the podcasts that we did. We get on the. The Telepathy tapes, which was. I think that was a big deal. That was huge for the show on. That was in March.

[B]

That was in March. Yeah, that was huge. That was. And the way that that came about was just, like. It just was a feeling. It was like, something's here.

[A]

And then, like, Clint told us about it, and he kept bragging about it, but since he's a boomer, we didn't listen to it.

[B]

Yeah, but I remember hitting you up one day and being like, there's something here. And then I think it was you. That was like, dude, this. This guy popped up again, Puharich. And. And you had noticed that he came up in, like, two prior shows. Like, there was this mention, you know, in one show, and like, oh, interesting character. Then somebody else came on, totally different context, mentioned him again, and it was like, what the hell? And then you're going through the Telepathy tapes, and you heard this lady mention Puharij, and you were like, what the hell? And then. From then on, it felt like all the details just fell into our lap.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And that this. This sort of comes together in a weird way again, I. We're not in the place where our work can even be explored because our cat, our cup is half full.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

So I guess when we're. When we're doing stuff, people aren't really taking it serious, but that was. I think that was a very serious moment and kind of gets overlooked by some other stuff, you know?

[B]

Yeah, that was one of those things that. I'm happy we put out a body of work on that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because in totality, it's two dedicated episodes, plus a third with Joe and Franco, plus, you know, several episodes of exploration with different people. Like, we had what's his name? From Raised by Giants. Damn it. I forget his name. He's a. He's a good content creator. But we had explored a bunch of this with him, and there were a bunch of people that we had on, and they would, like, help confirm the details. We would show them how the whole thing kind of snapped together, and they'd be like, holy. You know, but, yeah, I mean, that was. I don't think that was anybody's fault, you know, that we're perceived as like, cup half. Cup half full. So. So nobody really took that too seriously because we previously had been presenting much more comedy. It was just all of a sudden, something caught our attention, and it was like, whoa, wait a second. This is huge. And so we kind of bit down and got serious about it. But, yeah, that was definitely a big moment. Victoria Willis, in the chat said, watching and hearing Raven's holy spirit led conviction. Make it right. Oh, yeah, dude, I forgot about that. Make it right With Liberty. Lockdown, after the falling out. Yeah, that was a weird moment that came because of that dream. That dream of, like, meeting up. I got to hit the button. I don't remember which one is.

[A]

That one Will do.

[B]

That'll do. But I had that. That dream about being on a. On a boat with, like.

[A]

Oh, yeah, the vampire guy.

[B]

Yeah. And. And that I knew that if I shared in that spirit, I'd go into the abyss with him and that he was making an effort to take people in there with him. And that was. That was a hard time, was a challenging time. And because we were vindicated, I still maintain that, like, we were correct in standing our ground, drawing a line, you know, and taking the position that we took. But in that vindication, you then feel justified in, like, sharing in this spirit of anger, which is a slippery slope. It's a dangerous place to be.

[A]

You want to see something crazy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Check this out. This is a May. This is before. So before Grove. You remember this episode?

[B]

Yeah. I liked this guy, Cyprian.

[A]

He might be on the Epstein list. We don't know.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But this was a great conversation, and I had said something here, and then it came to fruition, like, the next month.

[B]

What was it? Okay, here in this clip.

[A]

Let's check this out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's weird. This is before the breakup. This is before anything that happened. So it's horrible what's happened here, because no matter how much I said, no, it doesn't matter really.

[B]

And it's.

[A]

But it's not predetermined, but it's just like, we're going this way. This is the way we're going. So, yeah, that. That death of whatever this guy is. Top lobster is eminent. I'm sorry, people. You're watching it, but we'll see when it happens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Glory to God. Glory to God. So that was. That was recorded in late. Probably late April.

[B]

That's interesting. You started to. I remember you expressing that to me several times and expressing it on the show in May.

[A]

April or May.

[B]

Yeah. That. That. This. This character of Top Lobster had served.

[A]

You to a certain point, but it's run its course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this. We're still doing our Bohemian Grove thing. Like, in the beginning of this episode, there's an ad for it. So it's not like that had happened. We hadn't been kicked out of the theater. None of that had happened yet. And I'm just like, yeah, this is gonna happen. And I'm like. I kind of say that I'm dreading it because it's like. It's just one of these things that's, like, looming. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know, but I don't want to. But I know.

[B]

You know, when we first started doing this, and even before that, because I had. I was doing the show the Ravens Watch, and, you know, I had had this experience. I think the whole. The whole. The whole thing can be summarized is like, I have a supernatural experience. I start listening to podcasts about supernatural experiences. I learn about Tony Merkel show. And then around the same time that I'm immersed in that, I get on Twitter and I have it out with Gary the Numbers guy, which convicts me to make a show because Gary the Numbers guy is a fat faggot who wants you to pay thousands of dollars for his secret esoteric information and his courses. It's like a pyramid scheme. And I go, no. Whoa, dude. What the.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

Who pressed that? But, Nancy. Oh, my God. Sorry.

[A]

So.

[B]

So I decide that I'm going to make this show. I'm going to learn what I can, and I'm going to give it away. There's not going to be the courses. I'm just going to tell people what I learned. And during this time, I start really facing towards Christianity. Like, okay, this is the beginning of my coming towards it. And I used to dread this idea that it was almost inevitable that I would kind of become Christian.

[A]

Yeah, well, it's not just that. This. It's.

[B]

I didn't like it. I didn't like the idea, and I, like. I kind of saw it as a thing that would come to pass, but.

[A]

Because, you know, I think what I was explaining in this clip is, like, the same sentiment because, you know, that something has to die. Like, you just don't do. Yeah, you don't do both things. You can't. That's interesting, because today we're. Or Friday, they're releasing this Christian nationalism discussion with Nick Fuentes and that guy Joel Webin, who's like, this preacher, and it's like, I don't. You just can't do both of those things. But, hey, maybe I'm a hypocrite because we're still doing, like, some form of comedy in a way that it's.

[B]

Yeah, but I don't think that the comedy that we're doing now is, you know, you. Well, I guess we do threaten to kill people. People and.

[A]

Blue Letter Bible. Yeah.

[B]

Timothy Alberino.

[A]

We'll think about it.

[B]

Yeah. But you're right. There is a death of something else, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. But I think it was like the Holy Spirit was already kind of whispering to me at the time that this was a thing that was going to come to pass. And even though it. It made me a little afraid, I almost kind of dreaded it. What I didn't account for is, like, God's patience and that this thing would happen in its time and it would happen in a manageable way for me.

[A]

All at once.

[B]

Well, I mean, all at once. Or else in some. That's what you fear, right? You fear that it's going to be like, this moment that happens in one day on a show. I'm suddenly making this day. It's like, no, dude, you will be shedding these pieces of yourself. And look, even though it did happen over the course of, like, I guess what would be a few months, like.

[A]

Two weeks or three weeks or something like that.

[B]

No, it was like two months.

[A]

It was long. Yeah. So that. This is actually a good point. You don't have to go, right? You're good?

[B]

No, I'm good. I mean, as long as the daylight is there.

[A]

So I think about rotors and brakes.

[B]

I got to do rotors and brakes. I just need the sun to be out when I do it. But go on.

[A]

Bohemian Grove happens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's this break.

[B]

We've.

[A]

We've. I've also been accused. Yeah, I guess accused.

[B]

The right word.

[A]

I've spoken with Jose since after. We're amicable. I like Jose. He's just. He's got his things.

[B]

Speech impediment.

[A]

Speech impediment being one very short.

[B]

Well, I can't fault him for that.

[A]

The same shoes. Yeah. Cargo shorts. That winter. What are you doing?

[B]

Pockets?

[A]

Yeah, dude, it's. It's wild. Change.

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

We're gonna figure it out. He was like, yeah, you guys went Christian. And I was like, you didn't. And I didn't. I didn't bring it up to him, but I was like, you didn't go to Bohemian Grove.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

Like, you think that, like, we went. Like something went wrong? And then we went. Christian. I was like, no, we went like, we went hard. And then there was a moment actually. Let's find that moment on the show.

[B]

Was there a moment?

[A]

Yeah, there's another moment on the show. I can't remember the episode.

[B]

Describe it.

[A]

It's when it like dawn. It's with Vicki Joy Anderson. I think that'll do it. That'll do it. Let's, let's find that. Go ahead.

[B]

Dude. We're, we're, we're totally taking a trip. We're blessed for the people who were graceful with us and had patience with us, who came on our show even though we were and still are in very many ways, but much more so kind of monsters. Right? Like a Vicky Joy Anderson who repeatedly shows up and says things like, you remind me of hanging out with my brothers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Or like an Ed Mabry where he's with us from virtually the beginning and then is even faced with proclamations from his own Patreon chat where they're like, yo, these dudes are dropping hard Rs. And he's like, I know them. You know what I mean? Like, I know these guys. I know their hearts. They're my friends. Could have easily just backed away from us and been like not touching that. Plenty of people did. And, and, and probably intelligently so, rightfully so. Did they back away from us and, and go like not touching that with a ten foot pole. But there were so many people who are genuine good guys and who stuck with us through the whole development. Like, that's a, that's a really wild thing, this episode.

[A]

We're talking with her.

[B]

God, I love her. She's the best man. Yeah.

[A]

And she had brought something up and I was like, oh, shit. Like this kind of like brought, brought back those memories of like the whole witchcraft thing. This is, this starts to.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

This is what really drives the journey of change. So like Tower Gang ends beyond my control. There's nothing I can really do about it.

[B]

No, yeah, that was, that was it.

[A]

We thought about like doing an episode, but like Jose and Clint aren't going to be there. And I was like, this doesn't make any sense. But the other guys were like ready to. They're like, yeah, let's do something. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Like, what is there to do?

[B]

I still feel bad because, you know, the way Toad suffers. I guess you could say that for Tower Gang ending and then how the content game loses Coal.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he messaged Me the other day, and he was like. He's like, man, sometimes I just want to get back in it. And I'm like, don't. Don't even.

[B]

I, I, I don't know if that fight is necessary. Terror Gang was necessary.

[A]

Don't do it. You're better off outside this show. He sent me the. The Hail Hitler episode, which is a banger.

[B]

So many Tower Gang episodes were, I mean, legendary.

[A]

We're gonna. Let's watch, like, a minute of it, just how it starts, because it's. You want to talk about, like, memory lane? This is. This show was good. I don't care what.

[B]

Anyway, it's a great show. It was a great show. It was a terrible show.

[A]

Start with a cold open.

[B]

We can't hear it. Oh, okay. Oh, you know what? It's through that chat, video chat, whatever thing that's going on.

[A]

Let me see.

[B]

I saw Nancy earlier, said that the end of TLC was. Was a big transformative moment for me. It was, dude, ending tlc. I was like, what am I doing? I, I. At that point, I was submerged.

[A]

Can they hear this? Can they hear this, Nancy?

[B]

No. No.

[A]

That's very sad.

[B]

That's strange. I want to know why that. Why would the other things work and that doesn't.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Maybe it's not meant to be. Maybe we're not meant to play.

[A]

Very funny tower game, Cliff. You'd have to. You'd have to trust me.

[B]

Yeah, but, yeah, I mean, it's classic Toad stuff.

[A]

Classic Toad not understanding the banter, beating them up, and then just intro music into. Into, like, more like two hours of.

[B]

That's what that was.

[A]

That's what. That's what it is. Yeah.

[B]

And that's what the whole show was.

[A]

That's what the whole show was. But I think we perfected it, dude.

[B]

There was just so many times where, like, Toad doing classic, like, what's the word? What would you call it? Like, like, you know.

[A]

You laugh, bitch.

[B]

Oh, my God. I laugh so hard so often. It was honestly something that I really looked forward to Wednesday nights. But like I said, what would I do? I would be, like, on the porch smoking and, and having a drink, you know, at 9 11, and it just wasn't. It wasn't good, man. It was. I mean, it was good. It was hilarious. But when I ended Timeline Cleanse, I don't know exactly when that show ended, and I don't know how much of it had to do with what was going on at Bro Grove or anything like that. As much as it had to do with. I found myself actually having my heart hardened. I found myself in. In disgust so often at the things that I was seeing, you know, from whatever people group. You could use your imagination.

[A]

Five months ago.

[B]

Five months ago. Yeah. So it would have been, I guess, just after. Well, I brought it back. I tried to do it in a way where it wasn't like that, but.

[A]

It really ended here, six months ago. A time for peace.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's right, because it ended where. Where I was talking about what the hell happened. In fact, the clip went viral of me analyzing the. The Tower Gang episode, and Owen Benjamin took it, and he was like, you know, I think what he saw in that clip was like, oh, yeah, this is a correct analysis of what just happened. So he took it and he paraded it around Twitter, and then he, you know, dragged Clint's corpse behind his chariot like. Like Achilles for a time. Yeah, yeah. That is the labor.

[A]

You went to a Jewish wedding.

[B]

I went to a Jewish wedding. Yeah. That was.

[A]

That was.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was fun. The. The. The return was fun.

[A]

I think this was the episode here. The Death of Dangerous Retards.

[B]

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[A]

Interesting times.

[B]

Yeah. The show goes on. I was talking about it. I was just kind of breaking down in real time. But a lot of. A lot of timeline. Cleanse was just watching horrific videos, man. I remember, like, one particular genre, and you could call it a genre because it was no shortage of this type of video was, you know, it'd be some black lady, some obese black woman in a shower cap. She would be. She would be walking past a front porch, and she would send her toddler up onto the front porch to steal an Amazon package. And it was just like, so. I don't know, man. So gross. Was that good? That felt good. One take, baby. One take.

[A]

Oh, no, we gotta get out of this.

[B]

That wasn't good. You gotta get out. Get back to the Nephilim Death squad stuff. Yeah, that was the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. Was Dayquil this year.

[A]

Dayquil was this year. You forgot.

[B]

Whoa. Dayquill was. That was a harrowing time for my family. My family was not, not, not happy about my wife. My wife was. My wife was not happy about the day Quill times. I mean, I. Maybe there's probably.

[A]

I don't really see any other way around it, though.

[B]

There. Well, at the time. No, there. There wasn't. There was. You just had to.

[A]

That was another time. Like Toad. I had worn. I told you.

[B]

But you.

[A]

I Guess you took it as like a. A like, all right, bet. But I was like, hey, all right. Oh, Joe Brown, now you're funny as.

[B]

And you're fired, baby.

[A]

You should have known.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You should get some headphones.

[B]

Oh, my wife says, extremely upset.

[A]

Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. I had told you. I said, hey, here's how this works.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're at. It's like. It's like I sat him down and I was like, so you've gotten a million views on a tweet.

[B]

What happens next?

[A]

Here are your choices. A, leave it alone.

[B]

Yeah. B, bonk the apple.

[A]

I said, what you could do here is like, if you save it to your favorites, it'll give it a little boost more.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I said, are you going to continue to interact? And David goes, hell yeah. And I go, here's what will happen. Hey, dox your family. I was like, you know, I was like, I don't know what happens here, but this goes.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like what you're doing. And you did everything right to make it go.

[B]

It went. It went to. It got to 20 million.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or 18 million, something like that. And so. But. But that's probably a. A story that a lot of people don't know. I'll give you the thousand foot overview of it because we have a lot of news story. It's a true story that Black Twitter didn't think it was a true story. My son had once told me that he only had like a couple of friends in school. So one day he. He came out of school and he was a little bit like, you know, just a little bit down in his spirits. And I'm driving him home and. And I'm asking him, I said, hey, you said you only have like two friends, right? Or something like that. And he's like, yeah. And I go, what, What? You know, what's the problem with the other kids? And he goes, ah, they're just kind of. And I have my suspicions about what the nature of these are or is. And so I start asking questions. I'm trying not to lead them, but I go like, whoa, what colors do skin? Like, what do these kids look like? And he goes like, I don't know, man. Like, like regular kids. What do we mean? And I go, okay, okay, okay. I'm trying not to lead them. And I go, like, what do they wear? You know, like, as if that's gonna. And he goes like, I don't know, dad. Just like regular kids clothes.

[A]

You dress like a man. Dress it like a man.

[B]

And I go, what are Their names.

[A]

Tricky. Tricky Daddy.

[B]

And he starts listing off Mommy's tricky. He starts listing off these names, dude. He goes, I don't know, like. And I'm like, son of a dude. So I keep it quiet, right? Because as soon as he says this, I go, there you go. That's the shirt that really severe.

[A]

Every single, every single one. Where are you wearing this? Where are you wearing this stuff too?

[B]

I can't believe I don't have that. I gotta get that shirt.

[A]

Montel is a great black name.

[B]

Montel is a great black name. So, so what ends up happening is we go. Silence as silence falls upon the car and, and I'm just driving and I'm thinking and he goes, I just realized they're all black. And I go. And I have a reasonable talk with them where I'm like, look, my watermelon mint.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Watermelon purple drink. So I, I have this talk with them and I'm just like, look, man, like that's going to be the, the case. But that doesn't mean that they're all bad.

[A]

And, and yeah, they're gonna like exclude you. But that could also be the case like with a group of white dudes.

[B]

Yeah, it was a, it was a case for me growing up with all races because I'm a Jewish bioweapon and I didn't fit in any of the white kids or the Spanish kids. Dude.

[A]

Yeah, they called me Ricky Martin, the black kids called me Ricky Martin. And the Spanish kids wouldn't fuck with me because I don't speak Spanish.

[B]

That's exactly my problem. I couldn't speak Spanish. There was like Uruguayan kids, which is.

[A]

Odd, but better get good at baseball, son.

[B]

So, so what ends up happening is I go to tweet about it and I. The tweet is just like, dude, you know, my mom dealt with this growing up. I dealt with this growing up and, and now my son's dealing with it growing up and it's just like, damn, man. It's like this cycle continues. And so I make a tweet and, and instead of saying the kids names, I tell the story I just told. But I'm not going to say the kids names. And Shantine is not one of their names either. I'm just saying that, you know.

[A]

Did you delete it?

[B]

No, hell no. It's still there.

[A]

Oh damn.

[B]

It's still there. So I make one of the kids names, Dayquil, as just a throwaway, funny sounding name and it goes viral. I mean it goes so viral. And Everybody accuses me of lying. And it's either people accusing me of lying or people being like, dude, the same shit happened to me or the same shit happens to my kid or the same shit happens to my grandkid.

[A]

You made Dayquil go viral.

[B]

I made Dayquil trend.

[A]

The company was probably like, this is great.

[B]

I made it trend. Yeah, that was it. My son was telling me how he only has two friends at school. He said mostly everybody else makes fun of him.

[A]

I know. I like this.

[B]

I asked him to tell me about the kids who make fun of them. Like, are they boys or girls? What are their names? Jamal, DayQuil, etc. I said every single one was black. He's nine.

[A]

That's tweet.

[B]

Was the tweet. 18.4 million views. We get doxxed. They call CPS, they find my kids school. We have to have a sit down with the sheriff's office. We have to have CPS go through my apartment. It was a nightmare. And I'm trying to stay cool the whole time. By the way, I will admit, when they came for me in the comments, I just swung. I just swung sword, dude. I didn't give a.

[A]

Man. Yeah, I mean, brutal, dude.

[B]

It was really brutal. What. What month was that?

[A]

Oh, good question. January. Hey, beginning of the year.

[B]

As soon as the year started. What a way to kick off the year. Hey, hey. Let's dance, dude. So, yeah, man, that was a rough time. That's how the year started. I mean, what a crazy. What a crazy year it's been.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, we literally had to. Part of us, like, part of moving was like, we have to get out of here. We got to get out of here. And like I said, I didn't do myself any favors when they accused me of lying. I doubled down, tripled down, and called them slurs. You know, I think I've learned a lot since then.

[A]

That was a very tower gang thing to do.

[B]

It was a tower gang. You guys were a bad influence on me.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I. Yeah, I was a nice, gentle baby boy before this.

[A]

Right. But then you see the side. Oh, yeah, you do see this. And then you go. Yep.

[B]

Are you still glad you posted it, though? Conspiracy? Cutie asked. It's not that I'm. Good question. Posted it. It's that it was the truth. And I'm never gonna delete something that was the truth because you tried to say scare me. Yeah, it's not happening. I'm too afraid at the end of it.

[A]

That's Kind of what Tower Gang is about. It's like this operation and absurdity. But it is true. That's what good comedy is. Comedy's true. It's exaggerated a little bit. So like the day quilt parts exaggerated. It's formatted correctly and it's supposed to draw a reaction. So if you do all those things and if it's funny, hey, man, stop doing that. Yeah, like, stop beating up. Stop beating up my son.

[B]

Yeah, maybe stop doing this for three generations. I don't know what to tell you. And by the way, just so. So you guys under, like, you know, they came to my house, they did a walk through the cps. They found nothing. They're really just. I. I never dealt with that before. They were looking for, like, is there food in the fridge? Does he have a bed?

[A]

Kind of ate all the food.

[B]

Like, I just. There was nothing but empty wrappers of hot dogs and. But no, there was food in the fridge. Everything was cool. And they left me alone. They never came back again. But it was a scary time. It was a scary time for me. It was a scary time for my wife. You know, my son was aloof. He didn't really understand what was going on, but I had to. I was caught between a place where a vindication saying like, this is the truth, and trying to explain to my wife that My wife that like, even some Selena Gomez who's never used the N word in her life has to move around with security and that there's going to come a time where we're going to get big enough that there's going to be.

[A]

You're going to be Selena Gomez. Trust me.

[B]

What the hell was that? We're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna be Selena Gomez. But all of it was really just me trying to probably justify something that was relatively unjustifiable. I mean, at the end of the day, was it the truth? Yes. But did I need to post it? No. No.

[A]

Can you justify this?

[B]

What is this? I don't know what it is. It's not on the screen.

[A]

Oh, sorry.

[B]

But yeah, we did end up move. Oh, well, that's upsetting.

[A]

Yeah. Why'd you do that then?

[B]

I didn't do that. You did it too. What's in our ears? Oh, it's gross.

[A]

You're disgusting.

[B]

What's aloof? I'm not too sure if I made that word up. Queef Latifah. Aloof.

[A]

Aloof means, like, you're not aware.

[B]

I thought it was the things that they put on the antennas out here.

[A]

Your son Was aloof to the ethnicity of his. What? Who we thought was his friends.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they weren't. He knew they weren't his friends. He knew they were.

[A]

Oh, yeah. They didn't like him.

[B]

He knew they were mean. So. Yeah. Damn. That's technically how the year started.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

That's technically how the year started with the banger. But, I mean, what about the good stuff?

[A]

Was there good stuff?

[B]

Dude, there was so much good stuff, honestly. And I hate to give him his flowers because Matthew. Matthew, with this.

[A]

He probably has something against flowers.

[B]

He probably does. Those are.

[A]

Flowers are gay. Like, what are you doing, man? We don't do flowers here. Overwhelmingly, the flowers don't bear fruit.

[B]

The response of. So here, Qui Gon Jinn said, getting to know each and each one of you, y' all better. And the introduction of Matt.

[A]

Okay, so I guess we'll talk. How does Matt come into the picture? We see a dumb person. We swindle him.

[B]

We go, look at these ears.

[A]

Look at these ears. I bet you we could pull him any way we want.

[B]

Just grab him by his giant ears. Yeah, I mean, it's. It's a weird.

[A]

What are you doing with that room in the back?

[B]

Well, we thought once upon a time we were going to have a studio above that shop in Leesburg.

[A]

Let me get that room.

[B]

We get that.

[A]

Get your room. Electricity.

[B]

We ain't paying for that. In fact, we running that bill up, baby.

[A]

Run it up, baby. Light's been on the whole time. Matt.

[B]

We see Qui Gon says, getting to know you all better. Introduction of Matt. I said, raven sharing is quitting weed, by the way. Shout out to everybody. A lot of people have said they stopped smoking weed and that what I said helped them. There's a guy who comes in the shop sometimes, Dylan. He says the same thing. Really pumped about that. Anybody that was, you know, inspired to. To cut back or stop because of me, that's huge. The fact that my dirt brothers and sisters are continuing to build one another up through this platform y' all have built. I mean, yeah, that's what we are. We're dirt brothers and sisters. So. So, yeah, I mean, Matt is. It's a. It's a. One of those things that I can only attribute to God, where we had this thing in our spirits that was like, you're gonna go ahead.

[A]

Yeah, I guess so. Leading up to Matt. Right? Leading up to Matt fall out with Clint Blap. Bitter bitch, Mad ball. He smelled a little. It smell a little.

[B]

A little bit.

[A]

And then we go Dirty cups. We were doing a live show at Clint's house, which kind of was like, I didn't have good vibes.

[B]

I wasn't pumped about it.

[A]

No.

[B]

I was pumped to be doing something irl. But it wasn't ideal.

[A]

Yeah. Because, like, afterward, like, the show is over, and he's sleepy, and he's just working like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And he couldn't put anything together. Right. All of his. He, like, assembled his own furniture. But he did it backwards. He.

[A]

Backwards.

[B]

But Clint builds backwards. Yeah.

[A]

Clint built Toad backwards.

[B]

It's crazy. Oh, shit.

[A]

So that happens. And I go. We go, like, well, why don't we just build our own studio?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we go, yeah. And then we go, well, we know all the mistakes that we made of the shit that we told Clint to buy.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Let's buy better stuff. We buy better stuff. You're looking at it.

[B]

Well, we did it in your place first, which was a great studio.

[A]

We were gonna do it there today, but then we're too lazy. Like, pack the cameras up. Yeah. So did it at my.

[B]

Broke his light. He broke his light.

[A]

He. No, Al broke his light.

[B]

Al broke his light.

[A]

Clint broke his light. And then Al broke it some more. Yeah.

[B]

Because he put it.

[A]

There was no space, and he put it right behind himself, and he. And he cracked it. Yeah.

[B]

That whole shelving unit just now. Yeah.

[A]

I'll just.

[B]

Did I be all right?

[A]

We built a studio in my house.

[B]

Yep. Which was immediately better.

[A]

Oh, it was a lot better.

[B]

That's not even to shit on Clint's. He had literally no space for a studio. I mean, when we had moved into a fucking closet. He moved into a closet. And we were like, we could fit a studio in here. It was tight, dude. Very tight.

[A]

We had lights on top.

[B]

No top. Never got his TV back.

[A]

No, I didn't. Which I. I think it's gone. He probably threw it out. Yeah. What was I saying here?

[B]

That Clint had no room. And then we built the studio in your place. You were saying we had lights. I don't know if you meant he.

[A]

Had lights on top of a refrigerator.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

That's how. Like, no space. There was a kitchen.

[B]

It was a kitchen.

[A]

It was just a kitchen, basically. Whatever. We set up the studio, we put it together. We.

[B]

That room was smaller. Even though it was his kitchen and his dining room. It was smaller than this room.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's pretty crazy.

[A]

It was thinner. Yeah. It was not. It was not comfortable. And not to knock, like, what it was, because.

[B]

No, I mean, you Made it work. Yeah, you made it work.

[A]

I made this work better. I think we'll pull this up real quick. Here we go. This is a studio.

[B]

I mean, this was actually a fantastic look.

[A]

Yeah. We had some really cool. You had the red, I had the blue.

[B]

Yeah. You think that blue is your color and red's my color and blue is my color.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love. You think red's my color.

[B]

Yeah, I think you're more.

[A]

Mr.

[B]

Nasty is definitely a red.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

It's an aggressive.

[A]

Dialed it in real nice. So that was a studio there and we're rolling. Well, we're just doing the same shit. Really. Yeah. Interviews, having fun doing stuff.

[B]

It was a great dismount.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was like after everything we went through, we recalibrated and built something good and then kept moving and that was good.

[A]

Yeah. So we did this. We got some experience with that, which is really cool. One day I walk into this shop here because I wanted to get coffee and I didn't want to have. I didn't want to go to the place that threw us out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All the way to Leesburg, which. That was a coffee spot we were going to. So I came here. It's a little closer and it just says coffee shop outside.

[B]

I was like, really bad on like. Like the signage. Just coffee.

[A]

Strange. Not even not branded. I don't understand. I asked him the reasoning and he gave me a reason. I was like, doesn't make any sense. Yeah. He's like, oh, because, you know, is it the villages so people know that it's coffee? No. You could put any sign you want out there. I was like, yeah, but you could just write the standard coffee shop and casino and people would know that it's a coffee shop. Casino.

[B]

You have a logo. Yeah.

[A]

You got a really nice logo.

[B]

Makes a great sign.

[A]

It just says coffee shop with a bean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, that's fine.

[B]

Interestingly enough, what you didn't know at the time was that this is the coffee shop that Shane Cashman came to and wrote his jokes for Bohemian Grove in. Because we put him up in a hotel.

[A]

That's. I don't think we ever said that on the show.

[B]

Yeah, actually, I don't think we have. It's. It's. It's kind of a magical thing that Cashman was put up in a hotel nearby for when he was hosting Brohim.

[A]

Nearby? It's far.

[B]

Oh. So he just. I talked to him about it.

[A]

Spanish brings is like a mile.

[B]

So that's funny because I was on the phone with him not long ago. And he's like, yeah, I just walked. Yeah, he's like, I just walked. And this is the place I stopped at. I assumed it was closer because he said he walked.

[A]

No, this is far. If he's far. If we tried to walk there now. It's cold. I'm not doing it. Yeah, yeah. You got to go across because it's not the same strip. You got to go into the next. It's by where next to this Publix is. It's next to the other Publix. Spanish Springs is by the other public.

[B]

Did we put them up in the Holiday Inn Express?

[A]

I don't know. Whichever one is in the villages. Spanish Springs itself.

[B]

Oh, no, that's not the Express. And. Huh. Well, he walks all the way here, decides this is the spot that he wants to come for coffee.

[A]

Sits at the big black table in the front for a couple of hours.

[B]

Writes jokes that he then killed with.

[A]

Doesn't run into Matt, thank God.

[B]

Oh, he would have never made it to Bohemian Grove. No, Matt would have just been like chatting him up.

[A]

Whoa. So where are you, where are you from?

[B]

What do you think about these things?

[A]

I got family from there.

[B]

Oh, where are you from?

[A]

New York.

[B]

If you ever come here, Matt's just going to ask you.

[A]

Yeah, bro, my cousin's a janitor in upstate New York.

[B]

He's going to pretend to know something about the place that you're from. And I swear, it's like all he does is lie to me.

[A]

And he lies. He. He smiles at you like this.

[B]

I'm not doing this.

[A]

It's like he's here.

[B]

So. So.

[A]

But Matt wasn't here when I came the first time either. But go ahead, finish the Shane story.

[B]

Well, yeah, just that Shane came in here and then he discovers the whole back is a Christian library. And he's like, it was an incredible place. Like, he loved it. He spent all his time here writing these jokes. And he said it was special. And he said he was even talking to his wife about how special this place is, you know, and then that was it then.

[A]

And his jokes crushed too.

[B]

He, he, he legitimately is a great writer. Great for stand up comedy. And what is that? June, July, August, September. When do we bump? When do we do this?

[A]

It's so.

[B]

It's months.

[A]

August, August. Interview Mad in August.

[B]

August. And we. And we set up here in September, end of September, something like that. So it's literally months.

[A]

And then we take over the coffee shop. New Year's.

[B]

Now we're baristas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now we barista.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah. Really, really serendipitous. What you're saying is Matt has superior business acumen than Clint?

[A]

Well, not even close.

[B]

I mean, Matt actually has built a business. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know what.

[A]

No, like. Like serious business acumen. Like, yeah, Matt is a salesperson.

[B]

He doesn't. Salesperson.

[A]

Clint sold. What did he sell? He did, like, investments for people that were already rich. That was his dad's business. There's not really much business there. It's more like counting numbers, things like that. You have to have some sort of people skill, but, like, to get somebody.

[B]

I've never seen anybody with as much people skill as Matt. And I've worked a lot of retail and like that. Like, growing up, I worked in sales. I was in, you know, furniture sales and like that. Like, this dude is a killer. And he's not, like, a closer. He's not like, a dude that's selling you. He's a dude that gives a shit about you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, wants to know about you, remembers things about you. Remembers things about everybody who walks through the door.

[A]

Like, it makes me sick. Sick.

[B]

I can't stand it. I legitimately. I'm like, I don't want to do that at all. When he was like, we should go to the hood and give some of, like, these. This food away, I was like, I am not going to the hood. I'm not touching these people. I'm not looking at them. I'm done. I've been out of the hood for long, and I'm done. I'm not going back. But this is a guy that literally would go there and talk to, like, you know, crackheads.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is, like, amicable. Like, I think that's actually an honorable thing. I don't have that in me. I'm not an honorable man. So, yeah, man. I mean, he's. He is a dude with actual business acumen. He knows a guy for everything, practically.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, which is another skill that you just can't. The only way you get there is by talking to every single person that walks through that door. So. So, yeah, man. I mean, you walk through one day, and I guess the first day, he wasn't here, but another time when you showed up, he was here. Did you see the. The Bible? I mean, the library on your first. Your first visit?

[A]

No, no, I didn't. I didn't see anything. I was just sitting up there, and I. Harry gave me coffee. I was like, coffee's good.

[B]

Good, good. Coffee?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not like a big coffee guy, so I don't know. I. But no, it's actually good, like, when you taste other coffee, I'm like, yeah, I can't drink other shit anymore. So I was there. But I did notice they had, like, Christian stuff up. Up front.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, oh, that's interesting. Maybe I'll go. And I'm thinking about the show. I'm like, maybe I'll come and check these guys out. Maybe they'd be a good guest. We have a studio at the house. Yeah, I could. We could talk to some people and then interview them there. Interview them at the house or something like that, or. I don't know, something to do. Something like community. And so I was like, all right, I'll come back another time. So I come back, like, in the morning, like, real early, drop my wife off, come in the morning, and I'm wearing an NDS shirt, the Dragon Ball Z1. I walk in, and he's just like, you know, making faces. And he's like, no, what do you know about the Nephilim? And I was like. And I'm always careful with, like, how I like David. If somebody asked David in the shop, what do you know about the Nephilim's? Like, let me tell you everything I know about the Nephilim. And they ask me, I go, this is a tricky subject. What do you think about the Sons of Set? Like, you know, I was like, yeah, what do you know about it? So I like, kind of like baby foot around it. And then I'm like, yeah, you know? And he's like, what do you do? Real nasty.

[B]

Yeah, he's got a. Yeah, he's got a. His inquisitive.

[A]

What do you mean? What do you mean?

[B]

What do you mean? What do you. What do you do?

[A]

What?

[B]

What?

[A]

I was like, well, I own T shirt business. And he's like, oh, yeah. Oh, right on. And then I go and I do a podcast. And he goes, like, for work? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, that's not a real job. And I leave.

[B]

And he's never stopped saying that.

[A]

Yeah. I was like, but no, like, we make. We make money doing it. And he's a, what are you going to drink? What do you want to drink? And I was like, this is. Who the fuck are you?

[B]

What's your name? He's got such a weird way when he's asking questions, so he's talking to.

[A]

Me, but immediately I realized when I'm Talking to him like, oh, okay. This guy is a guy that I. I would like to have a conversation with, like, on the show. Like, I could tell. I was like, all right. He'd be a good.

[B]

He's got a great back and forth.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. There's.

[A]

There's the way he's passing, the way we're. We're having the conversation. And I was like, yeah, I was like, you probably make a good guess on the show. You ever done a podcast before? He's like, oh, no, I don't do the podcast. And then he's like, but he wants to. And I get tells that he wants to, but I'll give him time to think about it. And eventually, like, I come back again, I get his number, he gives me an episode of a pod. He did one podcast, was like a business podcast. And the guy was asking all the wrong questions.

[B]

Yeah. You tried to get me to listen to that, and I was like, fucking absolutely not to this day have not I've listened to whatever you showed me, which is a brief clip. Cannot listen to that.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's more about, like, he wanted to interview him about what he built because it's pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not just one coffee shop, Christian library casino, but two at the same time during COVID and didn't go under. So the guy's talking to him about it, and the matt goes into a story, and I'm listening. I'm like, yo, this shit is like. This is an actual story. Yeah, this is a story that I would, like, not just like to read on, like, a episode of Chronicles. I'm like, I want to talk to this guy. Because he went from, like, degenerate drug addict loser to coffee shop loser.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like, that's pretty. That's a good deal. Yeah, I thought it was cool.

[B]

It's better than drug loser. So I was like.

[A]

He was like, oh, did you like it? You like this thing? Do you think it was good? I don't know if it was good. Do you think it was good? I was like, it's fine. Let's do an interview. So we came. We did it here in the.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We tried to do it with the. The shore wireless things, and we. We did it, but that was, like, stepping out of the norm for us. We were. We were experimenting. I remember your wife was doing the board and everything and, like, the camera switching.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And I messed up with the audio because I didn't want to bring all the Mics and all the stuff, but we. That could have been, like, real professional. I just. I just one thing. But it turned out pretty good. And then after that, he was like, that was cool. That was cool. And I think he. Like, after that, he probably really wanted to do. He probably. He's probably looking at. At what we did, and he. He has this intention in his mind.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which he likes to blame us for, which is not.

[B]

He loves to blame us, but that's classic deflection.

[A]

My intention. And I. I told David this, and it. It took you. I don't even know how long to get.

[B]

I was very resistant. Yeah. Yeah. Because you wanted me to go out in person and. And meet people and.

[A]

And I just wanted you to go to a coffee shop. I was like, go to a coffee shop. This guy.

[B]

That's what I just said.

[A]

And then I said, there's something to do. Something to do here. Like, I thought what we could do here is, like, maybe he'll let us come and we can film out in front and talk to people that come into the coffee. Because right away I'm like, these people are interesting. They're coming in and out of here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Yeah, you did. You had a bunch of ideas. You're like, maybe we can, you know, do interviews there. Maybe we could do this. Maybe we could do that. But you. What you kept saying is, there's something here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That was the phrase that you kept using, to be honest. Yeah. Dude. Brown water.

[A]

My ultimate goal, like, with. With here. What I thought we could pull off was I was like, he's. He really likes what we're doing. He wanted to do, like, more. More stuff. And I was like, yeah, I like, I like to have him on, too. Like, we can talk. We do. We started the Bible studies, and I was like, we can probably, like, let. He'll probably let us set up a table in the front, and we could just do, like, man on the Street.

[B]

That's right. Yeah. I remember that.

[A]

As people come, I was like, that's what I thought was cool. And I was like, yeah, we could totally do that. Yep. Bring a camera. Bring, like, a little thing, move back and forth. And, like, that's the goal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then it turned into something else.

[B]

It turned into something. I mean, I wouldn't have been so presumptuous to imagine that we could have ever done this here. But no, because as soon as I talk to him, I could feel that that's exactly what he wanted.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now, you know, and. And you. You were cautious about it. You're like, you know, I don't want to be. I don't want to assume this or whatever.

[A]

I also don't want to do this.

[B]

This is a big undertaking.

[A]

Yeah. It's it.

[B]

And.

[A]

And it's like you fall into that thing with Clint where Clint was very happy doing his show at his house.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, when we were talking about moving it or, like, putting a studio.

[B]

Just wasn't cozy for him.

[A]

Yeah. You could always see. He was always like. Because, like, he can wake up and go to sleep in the same spot. Yeah. And for me, it was like that too.

[B]

And he would sleep right there. He would.

[A]

He would sleep on the bench on the. Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, table.

[A]

We're recording.

[B]

We have to go there and wake him up.

[A]

We're live right now.

[B]

Remember that too, by the way.

[A]

We woke him up a few times. There was.

[B]

Sometimes we were waiting for him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're like, what is going on? We have a show to do. This motherfucker was asleep.

[A]

He would do that during tower gang at 9pm Something crazy. Yeah. Not show up and like, did. Is today the day he quits?

[B]

And then what was. What was a bummer about? It was like, damn, dude. Like, he has everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The ability to do the show is. Is all hinging on this sleepy motherfucker. Not good, dude. Because he's 875 years old. Yeah, dude. It was crazy. That was like. That was like, I don't have a lot of actual negative things to say about the guy. You know what I mean? Because it's like, I recognize a lot of. It was just a weird circumstance that drove us apart, and it was like wires getting crossed and like, whatever. Maybe you could say he's kind of douche for not seeing that too. But, like, that sleepy, lazy.

[A]

That actually reminds me that of what we were talking about with Vicki Joy Anderson.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You got time?

[B]

I'm good. As long as the sun's still up. 2:14. They got some hours.

[A]

Let's take it. Let's take a quick silent break.

[B]

Just. No, no silent break. We're not that kind of time. You're abusing the time.

[A]

Okay. Vicki Joy Anderson said something that triggered a thought in my head. It was like towards the end of the episode, I don't know exactly where in the transcript it is, she said something. I was like, that happened to me.

[B]

Oh, the witchcraft.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because now we're talking about sleepy, like, being sleep.

[B]

Yeah. I remember this. Yeah.

[A]

And that's important because from there I start to get suspicious. I think I go a little bit, like, I'm, like, freaked out.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I remember that. You were legitimately freaked out.

[A]

I was freaked out.

[B]

It was fun for me. I remember looking at you getting freaked.

[A]

Out, and you're like, I'm gonna talk to him. And I was like, yo.

[B]

Well, that's because for whatever reason, I felt like the holy Spirit. And I still think I. I believe I was supposed to talk to him. I didn't. I suffered some spiritual consequences for that and then thankfully repented and. But, like, yeah, dude, I had some put on me for disobedience, for not doing that. And it wasn't your fault. I. I could hear, like, when you were saying it as you were talking about, like, I'm not sure. It was overwhelming in my mind, like, it doesn't matter what he says. This is what you're supposed to do.

[A]

You didn't do it, and I didn't do it.

[B]

So, yeah, it's on nobody but me.

[A]

Um, maybe the whole thing was a delusion, but I don't know. Something happened.

[B]

I was not trying to get some dirty panties in my house. I wouldn't have invited Clint to my house. I was. It was just something simple. I was supposed to show up to his house with some sort of, like, dirty panties, dirty panties in hand now, like a peace offering, like a. Like something to break bread with, you know? And that was. That was it. And then whatever happened, it was like, who he knows who might not even accept it. And I would go there and. And then. And then I would immediately get an answer of, like, it doesn't matter what happens next. This is what you're supposed to do. You know? It doesn't matter if he's. If he accepts it. Doesn't matter if it blows up in your face. Doesn't matter if he calls you a faggot. Doesn't matter if he punches you in the eye. It doesn't fucking matter. This is what you're supposed to do, and I didn't do it. So I won't be making that mistake again.

[A]

But, yeah, so this happens. It reminds me of the panty story. It reminds me of all of the panties, the dirty panties, and then all of the trauma and horror that pursued months after that. Which is why I was like, yo, dude. I was like, if that's, like, what's going on here? I was like, don't even, like, make.

[B]

No, I get it. Because I understood the logic.

[A]

You don't have $20,000 to spend getting your wife healthy. From, like, almost death. Yeah, it was horrific, dude.

[B]

No, I. I get it. I get it, but I think this is one of those things where it was like, there are things that, you know, and there are things that are in the spirit, and the things that are in the spirit don't operate in the realm of logic and intellect.

[A]

But we weren't even there yet. This is the problem. Like, I wasn't there. We were talking about this stuff, but I wasn't understanding it. Even though we've talked to. We Talked to Ed 60 times before that, I'm still like. Like, not understanding it in. In a tangible way. It's more of, like, I understand the theory behind it. Right. We talk about this a lot, but now it's happening.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Or it's been happening, and you just.

[B]

It put everything into context. It was like, oh, is this it? Which also explains why it fell apart. It was like, this isn't what. You're not supposed to be yoked with this. And. And shout out to Scott. I don't know if he's in the chat right now, but Scott sent me a verse from Corinthians that talked about being yoked with non believers.

[A]

I remember that.

[B]

And that was, like, loud and clear to me. That, like, really framed the entire thing. And when that happened, I was able to just let it go. Just let it go and be like, oh, yeah, this. This makes sense. I understand that. Yeah, I understand that now.

[A]

So that happens. And then we actually do the gayest thing possible. We. We consult with a pastor.

[B]

Pastor Rick crushes. And it was gay of us to do that, but I think.

[A]

But I had, like, legit questions like, yo, what the fuck? And he's probably like, these guys are crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, right? Yeah, it is a pretty crazy thing.

[B]

Yeah, it's a crazy. I mean, it was just like, hey, I'm new here. Let me consult with the past.

[A]

Tell you everything about this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Buckle up. Stupid.

[B]

It was. It was a hell of a moment.

[A]

But he didn't really flinch, so that's what. I don't think he, like. He was like, yeah, yeah. Well, those things happen. I was like, no. Do they?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do they, though?

[B]

Somebody said, not a moment. That was a big deal. But the fact that we started the year on Skype or Streamyard, meaning, like, you know, separate from each other, and then transitioned into a studio before commandeering a coffee shop, Christian library, casino, and colonizing it with podcast studios. A truly beautiful accomplishment. Yeah. Thank you, Cree.

[A]

Weird.

[B]

A weird. You know, the. The. The sort of beefs were funny too.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Steve, Steve. I don't know if Stephen was this year or last year.

[A]

I think that was this year.

[B]

Stephen. And the moon map might have been the beginning of the year. And then it ends with, tell me, Timothy. Albacore tuna melt. And I, I, it's, it's funny because what I will say is these things, these bits that come to the show, I mean, think about all the comedy that does come from. It's not a comedy show, right? But like all of, like the blap, blap, blap and the Timothy Albarino, the Indiana moans, like all of it. It's so hard. Hey, hey, let's dance. It's so hard to quantify it because it happens in real time.

[A]

And that happened in April.

[B]

April.

[A]

And you were nasty to him.

[B]

I was very nasty to Stephen.

[A]

Yeah. You should repent.

[B]

Let me see. Look at this. Is Stephen. There he is. What did I say?

[A]

The results are in, Stephen. Fuck you, Stephen. You owe me an apology and a moon map, you grumpy bitch. Am I overreacting? Oh, man.

[B]

Yeah, I think some Guaman or blapping, I mean, it's like, oh, yeah, the Guamin that happened. The things that happen here, the things that become lore on this show are so beyond our control. It is like these things that happen, like, it makes the show feel alive. Like we're not just calling it in, we're having fun all the time. Like if somebody were to ask us that, are you having fun? And you went back and looked at all of the inside jokes of this show?

[A]

Not really.

[B]

We're losing our minds.

[A]

We're losing our minds.

[B]

But it's, it's, man. I mean, I think that is a great indicator that we are having fun. That the show is alive is like there's just a never ending stream of, of, of inside jokes. And the things that become inside jokes are most of the time meaningless.

[A]

This is a Christian show.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[A]

Wadeg Source.

[B]

It's a Christian show and they're never, they, they're never deep. Like, if you were like, what's Guamin and blappin if you don't know? I don't. Oh, I can't explain it to you.

[A]

I don't know what some dumbass from Guam gave Blue Letter Bible $100,000,000 Blue.

[B]

Letter Bible debacle, dude.

[A]

Yeah, that was, that was this year too.

[B]

Damn, that was fun. That was a lot of fun. I really like the, this is another.

[A]

Thing I'm accused of handling this poor.

[B]

I don't know, I think we've handled it just fine.

[A]

No, I mean, because. No, David. David's allowed to. I'm nasty, but David's allowed to go. We're gonna do this Blue Letter Bible, pull his gun.

[B]

Because all kinds of stuff. When I go to the lives of everybody at Blue Letter Bible, I do it with youthful exuberance.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And Matt looks at you, and he goes.

[A]

Matt goes. Just like uncle Bob or whatever. And then when I go, I go like this. I go, jake from Blue Letter Bible's calling me.

[B]

Yeah, well, that. And he goes, you're a bad person. Yeah.

[A]

I was like, what the do?

[B]

I will admit. And I think the chat will agree with me.

[A]

We'll argue this.

[B]

When I. When I threaten the life of another human being, there's a smile.

[A]

Went there to the parking lot, and.

[B]

There'S a sparkle in my eye.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But when you get upset about a thing, there is fire in your eyes. And Mr. Nasty is not smiling.

[A]

No, I rarely smile.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. So in general. Oh, Chuck was very funny. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. But no, no. How is this the wrong thing? I guess.

[B]

You look like a man who will kill everybody. At Blue Letter Bible, we set up.

[A]

A studio in a coffee shop in record time.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

The day of one of the microphones doesn't work, and I run out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I buy a new one.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

So that Clutch, this guy can talk into it. Clutch. Clutch. We do this show, and they go, you can't air it. Yeah, we should air it anyway.

[B]

But, yeah, we should air it. Yeah. Why don't we just air it? It's not even a good episode. No, I mean, it's a fine episode. It's not. It's underwhelming. Oh, Matte Face is a great.

[A]

Yeah, we'll get to Matt face. Yeah. And then. And then I go, hey, man, that's two hours. Like, you're welcome. Yeah, we got you $100,000.

[B]

No big deal.

[A]

No big deal. And. And a bunch of other donations, they just. They were just coming in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He was like, yo. They were just boom, boom, boom. And I didn't believe him. But then when you did the food drive, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what happened here. So that happens. They go, you can't air it. And then he calls me. But this is after Matt has explained to me all this stuff, and I look at it and I go, what are we talking about?

[B]

Yeah, I'm busy.

[A]

Yeah, I'm busy. I'm gassy. Gassy and I'm busy and I. But, but no, I'm a bad person, though.

[B]

Well, it's because Nancy. Talk to me, Nancy. Is there, is there malice and venom in, in top. When he's angry?

[A]

Is there anything a better question? Is there anything to say after two hours?

[B]

Well, yeah, that's fair.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we talked.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

We talked a lot. I actually like him. I just feel like our business was done here. Yeah, right. It's unfortunate.

[B]

Well, in other circumstances, it would have been so bad if you hadn't just put together a fucking studio in record time, bought an extra microphone, labored your ass off to get this done, you know, finally did get it done, had a rep from Blue Letter Bible on, gave him a platform to do, and.

[A]

Then boom, gave him a hundred thousand dollars. A blue Letter Bible. No, Chuck, you're gonna do that in the future sometimes. And then Z, then. And then they say the things they say and then I say nothing back. And Matt goes, he goes, you know, I didn't expect this from you. You're being real nasty. Yeah, because I told.

[B]

Well, I told them you should have expected that.

[A]

I just. But I wasn't nasty.

[B]

Well, Matt and I had a conversation. I don't know if we ever told you about it, but he, he said, you know, you were angry about something, you know, whatever it was and could be anything. And, and he goes, have you like taken into consideration, like, you know, whatever role like you're playing in it, like meaning me? And I go, yeah, sure. And he goes, okay, because I feel like that's like a really important thing. And I go, no, I absolutely agree. Like, that's a reasonable thing for anybody to do in any circumstances is to also take consideration. I don't care. I just said, like I said, yeah, I hear what you're saying. And I said, give it 24 hours, it'll be something else. And he goes, what are you talking about? Just giving us enough time. And then the next day, it was the Jews in the heaviest way ever. And then since then, it's just a never ending cascade of Mr. Nasty and Jews, mostly Jews.

[A]

I do that. Don't tell Matt. He's not going to get this far. And I do the Jew thing. Yeah, because I know.

[B]

Oh, I know he's gonna be wrapped up in it. I have fun with it. I sit on the outside and I go, huh? I check in, in the group chat and I go. And I just go back to whatever I'm doing.

[A]

I let him slide. I let him slide for so Long with it. Yeah, because I like, I brought it up and I was like, you know these guys, right? And he's just like, no, I don't see it. So I'm like, okay, we're going to do this thing now. And every time I see some. Something compelling, I'm like, drop it in there. I'm like, hey, look at that.

[B]

Look. Chuck from Guam says, you're all wrong. It was not that much, Chuck. It was $67,000.

[A]

Oh, damn.

[B]

Just a number I made up.

[A]

It's a number. Six, seven, six. Chuck.

[B]

Damn it. Let's see what else we got. Nola says, I can't remember if it was NDS or tlc, but some saint in the chat named themselves Father Horse Cock. And it filled my heart with joy and laughter. Father Horse. Don't say that. As a Christian show, I mean, overwhelmingly, I will admit it is Matt.

[A]

Somebody else said, oh, Matt's named himself that.

[B]

Matt is Father Queef. Latina said, matt's been a real blessing. Abigail Blue says, I guess I'm just doxing her. My bad. Matt and all of the Bible studies. That one time I called into the Raven show and talked about quitting weed. Talking to Raven is a big part of my timeline and testimony. Ed Mabry, he's been a beacon of light. Dude, it's.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Ed Mabry. We didn't talk about Ed Mabry, Ed.

[B]

Well, what I want to do right now is say after this show, guys, please go support Ed's episode on the confessionals. Talking about the little season.

[A]

Let's see how that did.

[B]

Whether or not you are a little seasoner, because I know there are little seasoners that listen to the show or you're against it. Ed lays out a really compelling, really thoughtful argument against the little season. But more importantly, a guy that has helped us in. In our own development spiritually, but also the development of this show, who's been a huge part of this community, who's been a. An endless source of. Of really guidance. I mean, in some ways, Ed is. Is a bit of a mentor figure to us. Go and support this episode, man. Two bald dudes with a black dead in this one.

[A]

There they are.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[A]

He 20k. Should be. Should be way.

[B]

Should be higher those numbers. Got it. We got to pump those numbers up, guys. Go and support Ed. Go listen to this episode. It really was a shining moment for. For him to just show you all the tools that are in his tool belt. You know, Ed's one of those guys where, like, he surprises me all the time I get so used to talking to him and kind of used to having him be a part of what we do here, that when we go into kind of uncharted territory and then Ed just opens up a can of whoop ass in terms of like how much he actually knows about a subject, I'm like, damn, dude, he crushes. I mean, this guy can go anywhere, talk about anything. We started with him talking about the speed of light and how that relates to God and the spiritual realm. 501c3ed. That's right. That's his nickname now. And, and now, you know, it's like, like I said in, in a lot of ways, especially for me being a baby Christian. And this show has always been part of, like my learning experience. Ed has helped me tremendously, tremendously understand God. And so it was.

[A]

This episode was one of those things I don't want to like. It's not bad. No, no, no. I just mean, like, if you watch Ed on NDS, what he's done on those like 50, 60 episodes, he's. It's, it's not. You're not going to get anything new.

[B]

But you're going to get a refined.

[A]

Oh, dude.

[B]

It was like I told him, I.

[A]

Was like, man, that was sharp. What you did was take all of your points and somehow like just, you know, confine them into these, like, really astute. Sharp.

[B]

Yeah, he's been, he's been. Is like, this is like the blacksmith, you know, like, that's not what I meant, what I meant, but I mean, he's been here. Yeah. Refining these ideas, these arguments, these talking points, these theories, you know, all of these things. And then he goes on the confessionals and he just lays out this like, master class.

[A]

I'm looking forward to his solo episode with Tony because that's gonna be great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Joel Thomas was on this one and that's. That was fine.

[B]

What I will say is I. Because I'm like, damn, man. Ed should had his own thing on this. Joel laid out really excellent points. Really excellent points. I'm listening to a part right now, I forgot what it was, but I'm in the car and I'm like, that's a great refute, man. That's a great refute of if you think it's a little season, you know, why it's not. And he lays out this, this argument. I'm like, kind of hard to get around that one. I hadn't heard it yet, so I think he was a good addition to it. But I am looking forward to hearing Ed. And I'm glad there's two episodes, man, because I went on the confessionals app and I was like, I hope this is the beginning of a. Of a bigger relationship. Because Ed is a guy that, you know, from. From what we heard, you know, even just back on Tinfoil Hat, to how much he's. And is our blacksmith refining us. He is our blacksmith, from what I've heard on. On Tinfoil Hat to like, what he then has shared with us over the last two years. Like, this dude has so much guidance. It's not like he's like the end all be all, but like, he has thought a lot about a lot of really important things. A lot of important things that you might have questions about in your walk with God. And this is a guy that can help you frame them. And it's like everything he does just points. Points to God. Just points to God. It's never about Ed Mabry.

[A]

I think that's like the most damning part of this. This interview that he did. And the people that are going to argue back with it, he's just like, the Bible doesn't bear that out. He's like, here's what the Bible says about it. And he tells you. And it's like, you know, you could disagree if you want, but you're disagreeing with God. The Bible. That's really all that he's doing there.

[B]

Nancy said the comment section is filled with bitter little seasoners. And that's the thing, man, is like.

[A]

I know what's gonna need your support now.

[B]

Yeah, dude.

[A]

Because it's. I mean, he's. He's seasoned in the Internet, but it's just gonna get like, he ain't little seasoned. He ain't little season. They use. And they keep using my. They call them little season.

[B]

I know. I was like, damn, bro.

[A]

Damn, bro.

[B]

You know, it's fine.

[A]

Whatever you gotta pay me.

[B]

But every time you say, that's $10 playboy.

[A]

$10 playboy, no t shirt. Yeah, man. He's. I thought he put that argument to. To bed again. Yeah, but he's. He's a lot more than that. He's a lot more than that.

[B]

Well, that's. That's the point that I'm really trying to drive home here is like, we've talked about the little season maybe less than five times. Like five episodes with him, but we've done, what, Maybe, maybe almost 40 episodes with them.

[A]

We've done more episodes like pro little season than we have against it. Yeah, I'd say.

[B]

And my takeaway is. It's an idea in a sea of ideas. It's a fascinating one, but there seems to be a strong argument against it. I'm not moved towards it, but the people that are like against Ed need to ask themselves, like, why are you so invested in this thing? This is an information thing. But you, like, these people are fucking, like, hating Ed. It's like, dude, I've not had anybody present me information where I'm like that guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what? I just don't understand it, man. I do appreciate that. He does not.

[A]

I wonder if we can. Are we allowed to play the end of the episode?

[B]

No, I haven't listened to it yet. Don't do that.

[A]

I'm gonna play it.

[B]

No, you, dude.

[A]

First off, Ed is such a professional too, because he's like. He's like, we're gonna bring this in for a landing. And Tony's like. And I'm just like, yeah, dude. Ed's like, we're bringing this in for a land.

[B]

By the way, though, three hour episode. Three hour episode. Hell yeah.

[A]

We gotta watch. We gotta watch the end of it. I don't care.

[B]

Banana bread at work, dog. Hell yeah.

[A]

I hope they could hear this.

[B]

It's fire coming from heaven for dance. Get off his butt and gather the.

[A]

Nations against Jerusalem, wherever it might be.

[B]

Can you hear that? She's like, I'm not even there. I'm boiling more water. Yes, we can hear it.

[A]

Okay, great. And then God rains down fire.

[B]

Then we have the great white throne of judgment. That is a bleak, hopeless outlook.

[A]

It is a psyop created by our enemies, the Jesuits, in order to do what they were.

[B]

What they were commissioned to do.

[A]

To destroy Protestantism and to destroy Protestant or main. I don't like the word Protestant. Mainline Christian eschatology.

[B]

Don't fall for the psyop of your enemy.

[A]

Do not abandon hope. God has not abandoned you. Do not abandon your hope in him.

[B]

Yeah. You know, one of the things that he said, dude, that's great. It's a great.

[A]

And I listened to enough Merkel where, like, episodes don't end like that. Yeah.

[B]

Ed Mabry is a. And I mean that in the most beautiful way. He said something about the hopelessness. It's like, if Christ has returned, what then does that make of the Great Commission?

[A]

This is. Well, this is like kind of like.

[B]

What does that make about spreading the gospel, making disciples? If Jesus has already returned, then is the Great Commission a fruitless endeavor? Yeah, because that's a really important question to be asking. If he's already returned, and the millennial reign has already taken place. And now we're just waiting for New Jerusalem and fire from the sky. What then does that make of the great commission of making disciples and spreading the gospel? It's a fool's endeavor. It's pointless. Like, is that because I'm. I'm an idiot? I don't know. Like, is there something in scripture that goes, no, no, that's not the case? Because I, Like, I'm looking at them like, that's a pretty potent question to be asking. And I don't have. I mean, I'm a new Christian. I don't have an answer for that. But it seems like right now, like, what I'm caught up in is making disciples, spreading the gospel, bringing people who are in conspiracy and the fringes and all these different occult practices and Gnosticism to the realization that Jesus Christ is real in the way that the Bible describes him. And he did die for our sins. He was resurrected. He is the narrow path to God. You know, all these things. Is that a fool's endeavor? Because if this dude already came back and he already reigned for a thousand years, what. What the. What's the point of that?

[A]

I think another question is, like, the people that are Little seasoners, are they. Are they doing this? Because, like, I'm not. I'm not.

[B]

I don't think anybody's doing it, like, nefariously.

[A]

No, no. I mean, I. I haven't set out to make disciples or what? I guess we. We have people that follow, but they follow in a certain way. They follow like a. Like, right. Like, alongside us, not just, like, looking at us. That's how I feel.

[B]

Like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

We're.

[B]

We're walking this path with them, and we're just, like, calling other people to the path.

[A]

Yeah. Like, you come to the shop, we might even put you on the show. That's like. That's not even. That's not an exaggeration.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is like, because we're. That's kind of.

[B]

That's what I always said. We're not teachers. We're just the funniest kids in class.

[A]

Yeah, but are the Little Season guys doing that? Because it's. It's not like, it's unfair to be like, are you doing that? But, like, I think that's a. It's a consequence of your action of how you're. Of what you're looking into and the things that you're researching. And if the Little season doesn't. I mean, I think By. By its nature. When you're looking into the little season and kind of buying into that, you're not making disciples or.

[B]

Or Right.

[A]

People alongside of you that are walking.

[B]

Because it's like, what are the fruits of it?

[A]

I don't know. It's not that, though. And I'm not saying, listen, that's not a bad thing.

[B]

It's just. It's not that I. Yeah, I, like, legitimately don't know. I'm not saying that. It's like, I'm saying, like, in this moment, I don't know. I haven't thought it through enough. I don't know what that churns out. I don't know, man. I don't think.

[A]

Content, it turns out.

[B]

And, you know, it's. It's compelling. And I get it. Like, I've seen it. I've seen what they see. And I go, damn, that is a good deception. You, like, really twist people up about where they are in the biblical timeline. And it does seem like some big ass, you know, remarkable civilization was hidden from us. And, like, I don't know what all that means, but I get why you're looking at it. Yeah, I get why you're looking at it, but I think I never thought about it within the context of the Great Commission, which just so happened to be the thing that we were talking with Ed about the other day when he was on. And then the very next day, I'm listening to him talk about that on the confessionals, and I'm going, oh, yeah, dude. If we're called to make disciples of men, are we, like, what is it? What happens to the Great Commission? Does it end? Is that work done when the millennial reign comes? Is that how that's supposed to go? Like, it's like, you are doing this. You're making disciples of men until what point? Until the return of Christ.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then. And then after he reigns for a millennial. A millennium, whatever. A millennial. What. What then are you supposed to do? And. And if it's not make disciples of men because Christ has already returned, what the hell are we doing?

[A]

Good question. But you. You reminded me of the Great Commission. Reminds me of one of my favorite episodes. Or one of, like, one of our favorite.

[B]

Oh, this was crazy. Yeah.

[A]

This was nuts. And this is like. Yeah, let's just check this out. Play that.

[B]

Check it out.

[A]

Let's check it out.

[B]

It's not on the screen.

[A]

It's not on the screen. That's incredible, Dave. I just. I just started recording because. So, yeah, People, what happened here is Dave just walked into the coffee shop.

[B]

You drove from Indiana, of all places, to. Indiana's a, you know, strange place. You've heard all of our, all of our stuff on it.

[A]

Just to come here and, like, bless us with what you said. Man, this, it's. It's crazy. And I thank you for coming down here, but I want to at least show the people always. Yeah, let's just skip down to this part. But yes.

[B]

It's not on the screen.

[A]

That's on the screen. God, we just want to thank you for the brother coming all the way here 1200 miles to like to tell.

[B]

Us that what we're doing is right.

[A]

And it's because of you, Lord.

[B]

We're just incredibly grateful for that, that you would let us be servants in.

[A]

The earth to you. And we do recognize that this is.

[B]

Some form of an attack on his physical body and just pray that you.

[A]

Would correct it and heal it. In your name, Jesus. Amen.

[B]

Amen. Crazy.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

So crazy. Dude, that guy is the man. Shout out to Dave. I, I gotta. I. I have to remember to reach out to him to start finalizing some of the details on this NDS video game.

[A]

Yeah, I guess we're talking about favorite moments.

[B]

Yeah, that was definitely one of my favorite moments.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ah, man, I'm gonna see favorite moments as far as the show is concerned. I'd almost have to scroll through our catalog to, like, kind of jog my memory sometimes because I think the amount of content that we pump out per week, it's like some of these memory memories just get buried.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Let me see. If I scroll through, I might be able to find a couple of big ones. I mean, definitely the mother horse eyes thing for me was like.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

That.

[A]

That whole breakdown that we did was great.

[B]

We never did a real breakdown.

[A]

We just talked about it. That was cool.

[B]

Listening to it was nuts.

[A]

Oh, we went to the Fountain of youth, smelled the fart water. Dude, that was this year.

[B]

And then discovered that we're not documentarians.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Got wrapped up in a conspiracy to arrest somebody and never really Never freed him from jail. Still in jail, we interviewed a guy about Tartary and the Cabbage Patch Kids. Turns out he's a little seasoner, doesn't believe in Jesus.

[B]

That was confusing.

[A]

That was fun.

[B]

That was a confusing time.

[A]

Really cool moment in the show. There's a lot of moments.

[B]

Marcinski and Brian. That was a big episode, man. That was a cool episode. I got to go to Frank's Jamboree.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that was this year.

[B]

Yeah. And I got to. I was like, one of the only performers there. And that was a kind of a really meaningful thing because Frank has been a homie for a while now. And in particular, his fan base, the Franklies, like, really, really fuck with us. And. And so to be there and to meet people from, like, his side of the fence that were fans of what we do and then being able to. To perform, you know, I guess that's what I ended up doing there at his live event, which he said he was inspired by Bohemian Grove to do that because he thought that it was important to meet people in real life and to do something in real life and to get this thing off the Internet and to go and shake hands and see the faces of the people that support you. And. And he invited us to. To go and do that. And it was a. Of a trek to get out there. It sucked ass getting out there.

[A]

I gotta go in two weeks.

[B]

Oh, to New York. You should see about going and hanging out with. With Frank. That could be cool.

[A]

Yeah, maybe I'll try to. I don't know, Frank. I don't know. Frank likes me as much as he likes you, so.

[B]

I think he does. Well, I think he does. People were asking about. A lot of people were asking about you while I was there, and. But that was really nice. That was a cool thing to. To have been a part of. Let's see, what else? Yeah, we got to meet Jamie Henshaw Dyer this year and then do a couple of episodes with her. Johnny Cerucci, That's a guy that we got to get back on. I would like to have him on. We talked to Andrew Meyer. That was weird.

[A]

Yeah. We talked to a Jew.

[B]

We talked to us like a hell of a Jew. Like a big old Jew. And I like.

[A]

I like Andrew.

[B]

I like him, too. Yeah, he's very cool.

[A]

Yeah. Why would people say those things about me?

[B]

I don't know why he would say about the. With the foreskin and the. All the things that he did with the foreskin. I don't think he did the things with the foreskin. Let's see. Who are we on? What. What episode was this? I don't even know what this is. Damn, dude. It has been a crazy year. It's been a super crazy year. Oh, Brad Binkley. That's right. That was good.

[A]

Brad Lail came to the shop.

[B]

Brad Lail came to the shop. Stephen. A biblical hitman came to the shop.

[A]

Yes, Stephen. I mean, this is somebody that I think in the future might be seeing a little bit more. There are people in this. In this arena that are like sleepers, I think. And I think Stephen is a person that's shaped up to be a weird sort of sleeper in a way. Guy works hard, understands what this is. Ed, obviously, we. We nailed. We nailed it with Ed. We were like. When we saw him, we're like, yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's a guy.

[A]

It's like a.

[B]

We've said this.

[A]

How come nobody else picked him up?

[B]

And now. Now that he's been. Oh, my God. Now that he's been on the confessionals, he is going to crush, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

His phone's gonna be blowing up. He's gonna be everywhere, I bet you. And. And we have the second episode coming up with him. He's really gonna get to showcase all of the helpful information that he's cultivated over the years that he's been doing this 10 years on faith, by reason. And I think now is the season for this guy. It's a big season, not a little one. I think he's gonna really come out, man. I think people are going to be hitting him up, and he's going to be making the rounds on all kinds of shows. And I mean, as helpful as he has been for my Walk with God, I think he's going to be equally as helpful for.

[A]

For other people.

[B]

Countless other people, dude. Countless other people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tim Constance. I was just looking at NDS Chronicles. Steve Wilkos. Oh, that was funny. That was funny.

[A]

It's been. It's been a lot. It's been a lot.

[B]

I think it's cool that we're gonna start this new year off with. With this food pantry, which, by the way, like, thank you, guys. We've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of, like, $3,000 in donations. I think we're good. I don't think we need any more donations. I'm actually a little bit worried about trying to do anything with more money than that, because I think we're gonna mix it up. I think we're gonna have some product, some gift cards to, like, Publix and like that, you know, and. And just try to. Because this is gonna get, like, you know, anything more than $3,000 in. In food materials is like, what the does that even look like? That's gonna be crazy as hell. We're just two dudes. Well, we'll have Matt's help, but Matt's got a coffee shop to run, so it's really just two dudes, you know, trying to do all this.

[A]

Yeah. And it. I think that's what we're touching on with the whole witchcraft thing. Going back to church, that community there kind of. I don't know, I'm involved a little bit with it. David's wisely not getting involved.

[B]

No, I'm not going to get involved. $3,000 worth of ramen noodles.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[B]

That's what everybody's gonna get.

[A]

And I think for me, a little bit, the highlight has been being able to produce Match Show.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Like, it's a great product.

[A]

Yeah. I really. Excuse me. Enjoy. Enjoy doing that. I'll pull some of it up on the stage, but it's a great addition.

[B]

To nds it's something that I'm happy to have on.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like a thing. Let's. I do go back. This is a thing that we're. That we've made that. I don't know how to explain it, but it's. It's got. It's got something special about it, you know, and there's only a couple of episodes in this, but every single one of them has hit hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In a way that I don't. We wouldn't be able to do this type of a show.

[B]

Like. No, no, I couldn't do. No, no, no.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm looking forward to seeing this thing grow as we continue to, like, refine it, sharpen it up, seeing what it is. Watching Matt get better at doing this as he's doing it. I'm getting better at producing what we're doing here. I think this is going to be something pretty special to watch. I don't know if it should be on its own channel.

[B]

The. The only reason I don't think it should be on its own channel is because who the hell is going to run that channel? It's just more work, you know, and we've just got so much going on right now. But maybe one day. Maybe one day it should be its own channel.

[A]

It's. Honestly, it's like I'm. I'm. I'm conflicted between it should be its own thing versus, like, I also don't want to let that go off of. Off of our. Our network, whatever we have here.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Well, I want to keep offering it to the people who have. Who've tagged along for the ride so far. It's like, it's not just about the.

[A]

Views because it's like, there's not. It doesn't get as many views as the shows that we do, but it. It's gonna do more because of what it is. I could tell when I'm making it, I'm like, this thing is a different type of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Content. And it's gonna do. Once it's placed and people see it, it's gonna go crazy.

[B]

But also, it's like, that's why I don't want to. I really don't want to put it on another channel because it's like, yo, you guys came along for. Some of these people have been here for the full two years. And it's like, you've been a part of this journey. You've seen everything that we've gone through and the development that we've gone through. And now we're at this point where it's like, we get to offer you something good. Something good for your spirit. We've offered you a lot of things.

[A]

Yeah, you like this shit and, like.

[B]

This is, like, this feels like something. I'm. I'm happy that we can give Matt a platform where he can do this thing from. Yeah.

[A]

This is what we. This is what we offer you.

[B]

Look, there he is. Number three was Juan. Juan. Number one was Donut. I mean, we had some heavy hitters in the beginning.

[A]

I don't anymore.

[B]

Donnie Darkin was on that early.

[A]

Where was number five?

[B]

Number five. Damn. Donnie's been through a crazy experience, man. We didn't even have thumbnails for a lot of these early ones. Cryptids of the Corn, Cashman. Dude, the people that came on early. I love Paul Styles. I wonder what he's doing these days. I don't know if he's still doing little season stuff or whatever.

[A]

Yeah, I saw a clip of him recently, but he's just got stuck in it.

[B]

He's a. He's a wealth of information, really. Smart guy. Colin. Yep. Colin.

[A]

This is where we started the.

[B]

By the way, we're going to talk about Qanon Shaman. We talk about this guy who's it rife. Dude. I don't even know what happened. Right. Fell off the face of the earth.

[A]

He said he. He asked us to spread the message, and I don't really know how to do it. Oh, yeah, he shut down his website. He shut down the business for the time being. He wants to get back. I don't have any time frame on it and no idea. He's going through, like, a lot of crazy shit. I'm not at liberty exactly what to say.

[B]

What did he say to, like, spread. I don't even know.

[A]

Tell people. He said, you know, tell people about, like, what's going. You know, that I'm. That I'm not going to be around.

[B]

And I was like, well, that's self evident.

[A]

Yeah, I was like, well, they're. They're not seeing you, so what's going on?

[B]

Somebody said my favorite was when Raven got shingles. Dude, that sucked.

[A]

Oh yeah. Remember?

[B]

I got Shangles. Shangles. I got Shangles twice. And one of them was on this show. Yeah.

[A]

He asked if I wanted to handle an announcement for him. I've been shut down by the FBI, who has been and is currently investigating me. All my money is gone. The business has been closed down. I'm standing firm on my promise that I'll give away everything publicly. It'll be a year that I'm gone, but I'll be back. Also, there's a murder involved for a conspiracy show. I should be all over this.

[B]

I don't even want to touch it. Those words. I go, what dude? And I don't even wanna.

[A]

Yeah, he's murderer involved.

[B]

The FBI shut you down.

[A]

What? Giving away old designs and files for the rife machine for free to anyone who will ask. So he asked me to make this announcement to people.

[B]

Should we start producing them here?

[A]

Yeah, we'll make them in the back next to the casino.

[B]

Yeah, dude, I don't know what the hell's going on.

[A]

Wife is a. He's a dude. He's a weird dude.

[B]

Good. He's only ever been kind to me. He's incredibly kind.

[A]

Yeah. He's the one that helped us like do this show. Help us do the show full time. Us. Cult of conspiracy. He's like one of the.

[B]

He bought me a fucking computer.

[A]

That's. That's his tablet. He gave me this.

[B]

I was episode two.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. I was there when he almost burnt down the entire house with two Tomahawk steaks.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

He invited us over to a place and the steak fat just got to dripping on that grill, dude. And it almost lit up an entire Airbnb and it was actually terrifying. I was like, holy. But always a good dude.

[A]

I just don't know what's going on with them. I don't know, dude. I. Honestly, this guy, what. What's happening with him might be something that we're going to talk about years from now as like. Yeah, what was that doctor? The doctor that was like curing cancer and.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, then the FBI came and shut down and pull up the thing I want to see what other. These early episodes that we Did I know this is like not 20, 25, but it is kind of fascinating. The people that we got on Gary Wayne.

[A]

Episode 28. Oh, faceless look.

[B]

What was that? Episode 20. Is we too far from God's light with or 24. Is that 24? 26.

[A]

Where are we at? I don't know.

[B]

Ed Mabry. It's. It's right Beneath Nephew America, Volume 9.

[A]

26.

[B]

26, man. Oh, Dave of Isaac's Army. Dude. We have to have him back on again. That's a local guy, too. He's not even that far from.

[A]

From us. Yeah.

[B]

Wow. Leonardo. Joanie. Episode 22. Very early look. La Marzulli.

[A]

Tony Merkel.

[B]

Tony Merkel. Episode 21. Marzulli was 18, it looks like, man.

[A]

And Jerry Marzinski was 16.

[B]

A lot of heavy hitters. This show used to be better. Yeah. The quality of our guests is declined significantly now. I mean, we still have fantastic people on. It's just like, I don't. I'm not so worried about guests as much as Timothy Albarino. What episode was that?

[A]

I don't know. I didn't number it.

[B]

Yeah, well, there you go.

[A]

But it's coming soon after. I mean, Joel.

[B]

Dr. Shiva.

[A]

Yeah, man. It's crazy.

[B]

What a. What a wild ass.

[A]

What a. What a stupid ride.

[B]

It's been a crazy ride so far. It's been a crazy ride.

[A]

What are we going to do?

[B]

What are we going to do next? I don't know.

[A]

Maybe we'll open up a podcast studio in a coffee shop.

[B]

Maybe we'll make a fabrication shop. Nds Fab shop.

[A]

Yeah, that's possible. I don't know. What do you guys.

[B]

Yeah, I was going to say, what do you guys think we should do?

[A]

That's a better question. We talked all this shit about what we did. Like, damn, we did all that. Look at. We kissed. Weird. Yeah, man. What do we do next?

[B]

A flip.

[A]

Anybody? Speak up, Nancy.