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Next in Media
Hosted by Mike Shields · EN
Everything we know about the media, marketing and advertising business is being completely upended thanks to technology and data. We're talking with some of the top industry leaders as they steer their companies through constant change.
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Inside Kevin Hart’s Heartbeat with Jannine Lundy
Oct 1400:23:12Summary readyIn this episode of Next in Media, Mike Shields sits down with Jannine Lundy, EVP and Head of Marketing & Brand Partnerships at Heartbeat, the production company founded by comedian and actor Kevin Hart. Heartbeat has become a creative force at the intersection of comedy, culture, and branded entertainment — developing hit shows like Cold as Balls with Old Spice and original films like Group Therapy with AXA.Jannine and Mike discuss how Heartbeat helps brands navigate the tricky but powerful blend of humor and marketing, the rise of brand-funded entertainment, and why comedy isn’t dead — it’s just evolving. From collaborating with emerging comedians to educating brands on YouTube’s premium value, this episode explores how Heartbeat is redefining what it means to be a talent-led media company in 2025. Key Highlights:🎬 From Ad Agencies to Entertainment: How Jannine’s 20+ year career in advertising and media led her to bridge the gap between brands and comedy at Heartbeat.😂 Comedy + Culture: Why Heartbeat sits “at the intersection of comedy and culture” — and how humor can bring levity to topics like mental health or allergies without losing authenticity.💡 Brand-Funded Entertainment: Behind-the-scenes of Group Therapy — a feature-length film on Amazon created with AXA and WPP, blending purpose-driven storytelling with laughs.🏆 Award-Winning Collaborations: How Heartbeat projects like Group Therapy have earned Cannes Lions, proving that branded entertainment can also be creative entertainment.🧊 100+ Episodes of “Cold as Balls”: The hit Old Spice–backed series with Kevin Hart in an ice bath interviewing athletes — now in its 12th season.📺 Distribution Power: Why Heartbeat’s LOL Network gives them a unique edge, reaching audiences via YouTube, FAST channels, SiriusXM, Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, and more.🚀 Comedy Isn’t Cancelled: How brands can safely embrace humor even in a cautious social climate — and why audiences still crave laughter.🎭 Comedy’s Next Wave: Sketch, music-comedy fusion, and emerging creators — how Heartbeat is nurturing the next generation of comedic talent. Resources & Next Steps: 🎥 Watch Cold as Balls on YouTube (presented by Old Spice)📺 Stream Group Therapy on Amazon Prime Video🎧Subscribe to Next in Media on Apple Podcasts Episode Breakdown:00:00 Intro00:48 Meet Jannine Lundy & Heartbeat 02:00 How Heartbeat Was Born 03:10 Kevin Hart’s Vision for Creators 04:20 Co-Creating with Brands 05:15 Group Therapy: Comedy Meets Mental Health 06:40 The New Branded Storytelling 07:20 When Brands Become Movie Stars 08:30 Finding the Next Great Comedians 09:45 Balancing Creativity & Business 11:20 How Brands Reach Heartbeat 13:00 The Fear of Being Funny 14:00 Keeping Brands & Artists Aligned 15:00 Inside LOL Network & Distribution 16:10 Why YouTube Is Premium Now 17:20 Heartbeat’s Big Partnerships 18:10 Measuring Creative Success 19:45 The Future of Comedy 21:00 Can Sitcoms Come Back? 22:10 Smart Brand Investments in Entertainment
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Reinventing Ad Tech, Criteo’s CEO on Retail Media, AI, and the Future of Addressability
Oct 700:29:28Summary readyIn this episode of Next in Media, Mike Shields sits down with Michael Komasinski, CEO of Criteo, to unpack how one of ad tech’s best-known companies has reinvented itself for a privacy-first world. Once synonymous with retargeting, Criteo has successfully evolved into a powerhouse in retail media, supporting more than 230 retailers and $160 billion in GMV.Michael shares how the company’s early investments in addressability technology and diversification under Megan Clarkin laid the foundation for long-term resilience. He also discusses the industry’s next big shifts from the end of “easy money” in retail media to the rise of agentic workflows, AI-powered ad optimization, and Criteo’s surprising new partnership with Google. Key Highlights:🌐 From Retargeting to Retail Media: How Criteo transformed from a cookie-based ad firm to a retail media leader serving hundreds of partners worldwide.🔒 Future-Proofing Addressability: Why early investments in weak-signal harvesting and privacy-first tech weren’t wasted, and how they keep Criteo competitive post-cookie.⚙️ Independent & Neutral: The value of being a tech provider that supports both the sell and buy sides of retail media without owning retail inventory.📉 “The Easy Money Is Over”: What Criteo’s leadership means by this and why the next growth phase depends on cross-retailer buying, measurement consistency, and reduced friction.🤖 AI & Agentic Buying: How Criteo is already experimenting with conversational campaign setup through Claude and what that means for SMB advertisers.📺 CTV and Commerce: Insights on how retail media is converging with connected TV, including a major partnership between Roku, WPP, and Criteo.🤝 The Google Partnership: Why Criteo’s deal with Google’s SA360 is less surprising than it seems, and what it signals for future ad tech collaboration.💬 The Open Web Isn’t Dead: Michael’s view on why the web is becoming more efficient, not obsolete, in the age of AI and conversational search. Resources & Next Steps:🔗 Learn more about Criteo and its retail media solutions🎧Subscribe to Next in Media on Apple Podcasts📺 Explore Next in Media episodes on the evolution of ad tech and retail partnerships📰 Read Eric Seufert & Andrew Sussman’s analysis on agentic systems and automation
SummaryWhat's It Like to Ride the YouTube Wave for Nearly 20 Years
Oct 100:39:04Summary readyNext in Media talked to Michael Wayne, co-founder and CEO of Kin, about his nearly 20-year journey building a media company alongside YouTube's evolution. Wayne shared how his company navigated multiple business model shifts—from the MCN era to working with traditional celebrities on digital platforms, licensing content to streaming services and cable networks during the pandemic, and experimenting with FAST channels. The conversation explored the challenges of the changing creator economy, why YouTube is no longer the sole focus for content distribution, and how AI might transform storytelling and the media industry. Wayne also discussed his work with AI LA and his optimistic view on technology's potential to create new opportunities rather than just displacement.Join us for this fascinating conversation about adapting to constant change in digital media.🔖 Chapters:00:00 - Introduction and Early Days: From Blogging to YouTube04:40 - The Smosh Discovery and Early MCN Era11:00 - The Funded Channels Project and Working with Traditional Celebrities17:00 - The Pandemic Opportunity: Licensing to Streaming and Cable19:44 - The FAST Channel Experiment and Why They Shuttered It23:12 - The Changing YouTube Landscape and Creator Economy Challenges28:00 - Getting Involved in AI: From Paper Cup to AI LA32:00 - AI Avatars and the Future of Lifestyle Content34:00 - Hollywood's Challenges Beyond AI and Reasons for Optimism💡 Takeaways:🎬 Kin's core mission has always been creating and monetizing IP, even as distribution models constantly evolved over 18 years.📺 The pandemic created unexpected opportunities to license YouTube content to streaming platforms and cable networks hungry for programming.⚡ FAST channels require significant resources to operate successfully—licensing content proved more profitable for Kin than running their own channel.📉 The middle class of YouTube creators faces more challenges post-COVID, with changing monetization models and the rise of short-form content.🔄 YouTube is no longer the only starting point—many creators now build audiences on TikTok or Instagram before expanding to long-form platforms.🤖 AI might impact lifestyle creators first through avatar technology, allowing fans to interact with AI versions of personalities like Gordon Ramsay.🎯 The media industry is bifurcating: tech giants with massive resources on one end, the creator economy on the other, with traditional media in the middle facing consolidation.💡 New technologies historically create more jobs than they eliminate—the key is being open to opportunities we can't yet imagine.🎪 Working with traditional celebrities on YouTube required a true partnership model with shared equity, not traditional talent deals. Follow Michael Wayne: https://linkedin.com/in/michael-wayne-kinKin Community: https://www.kincommunity.com
SummaryHow is a Giant Marketer Like Unilever Going to Spend Half of Its Media Budget on Creators?
Sep 2300:24:28Summary readyNext in Media talked to Selina Sykes, Global Marketing Transformation Leader for Beauty and Wellbeing at Unilever, about the company's ambitious goal to allocate half of its media budget to creators. The conversation explored how a legacy CPG giant is reimagining its marketing model to stay relevant in a social-first world.Sykes discussed Unilever's shift from traditional broadcast advertising to a "many-to-many" model that harnesses communities and creators. She shared insights on building authentic creator partnerships, the success of campaigns like Vaseline Verified, and how AI is being integrated into their content supply chain. The conversation also covered social commerce opportunities, the balance between scaled operations and authentic creator relationships, and the future of AI-driven shopping experiences.Join us for this insightful discussion on how traditional brands can successfully navigate the creator economy while maintaining authenticity at scale.🔖Chapters:[00:01:18] Introduction and Selina's Role at Unilever[00:03:02] Staying Relevant in Beauty's Fast-Moving Landscape[00:06:30] The Decision to Spend Half Media Budget on Creators[00:08:29] Executing Creator Partnerships at Scale[00:12:45] Case Study: Vaseline Verified Campaign Success[00:15:24] Social Commerce and TikTok Shop Strategy[00:18:18] AI Integration in Content Creation and Media[00:21:53] The Future of AI Shopping Agents💡Takeaways:🎯 Unilever is shifting from "one-to-many" broadcast to "many-to-many" creator-driven marketing to stay culturally relevant📊 The company aims to allocate exactly 50% of its media budget to creator partnerships and content🤝 Creator relationships range from long-term "co-founder" collaborations to scaled content partnerships with smaller creators✨ The Vaseline Verified campaign leveraged 3.5 million organic brand mentions, working with creators to scientifically verify popular "hacks"🛒 Social commerce is viewed as a key channel, with emphasis on affiliate programs and shoppable content experiences🤖 AI is being integrated across the marketing ecosystem through "AI studios" in each market, focusing on human-AI collaboration🎨 Quality control remains paramount - AI augments human creativity rather than replacing human oversight🛍️ AI shopping agents are expected to become a new channel complementing rather than replacing existing shopping experiences🔄 The creator economy allows brands to tap into authentic community conversations that were previously happening without brand involvement🌟 Success requires balancing brand authenticity with the need to operate at Unilever's massive scaleFollow Silena Sykes: https://linkedin.com/in/selina-sykes-0619b62b?originalSubdomain=uk Unilever: https://unilever.com
SummaryDhar Mann Wants to Make YouTube Shows With Big Brands
Sep 1600:36:47Summary readyNext in Media talked to Dhar Mann, Creator and founder of Dhar Mann Studios, and Sean Atkins, CEO of Dhar Mann Studios, about building one of YouTube's most successful scripted content operations. They discussed creating family-friendly scripted series at scale, working with brands beyond traditional advertising, and expanding their studio model to support other creators.Mann and Atkins also covered why scripted content is breaking through on YouTube, their Samsung TV Plus deal, and positioning as the future of creator-driven media.🔖Chapters:00:00 - Introduction to Dhar Mann and Sean Atkins02:36 - From Personal Stories to Scripted Content at Scale06:00 - Building Infrastructure and Leadership08:22 - Expanding to Multi-Creator Studio Model11:50 - Why Scripted Content Works on YouTube14:49 - Traditional Media's Failed Creator Acquisitions18:20 - Brand Partnerships Beyond Platform Revenue22:17 - YouTube's Role in Creator-Brand Relationships26:00 - Television and Fast Channels for Creators29:00 - What Brands Need for Creator Success💡Takeaways:🎬 Dhar Mann Studios produces five shows weekly on a 21-day script-to-screen cycle, enabling real-time cultural relevance.📺 The company operates 66 sets across 125,000 square feet with creator-level efficiency and economics.🚀 Unlike talent-dependent creators, Dhar Mann built a scalable format not requiring his appearance in every video.👨👩👧👦 Family-friendly co-viewing content serves a massive underserved audience.💰 Bootstrapped and profitable since day one through platform revenue before expanding to brand partnerships.🎯 Brands are shifting from transactional relationships to long-term partnerships including co-developed studios.⚡ The 21-day production cycle lets brands move at culture's speed for scripted content.🏢 Fifth Quarter agency helps other creators build sustainable businesses using their infrastructure.📱 Samsung TV Plus provides validation and revenue diversification while reaching traditional viewing audiences.🔮 Creators will become challenger brands in verticals where they've built expertise through partnerships.Follow Dhar Mann: linkedin.com/in/dharmann
SummaryAmazon's Kelly MacLean on How the eCommerce Giant Built a Killer DSP
Sep 900:21:28Summary ready🔖Chapters:[00:01:12] - Kelly's Background: From Soccer to Ad Tech[00:03:22] - Making the Move from Meta to Amazon[00:04:44] - Amazon DSP's Evolution from Single to Multi-Purpose[00:06:10] - Adapting to the Streaming TV Revolution[00:07:31] - Technical Differentiators and Competitive Positioning[00:13:30] - AI Integration and the "Crystal Box" Approach[00:16:54] - The Future of Automated Advertising Agents[00:18:03] - Impact of Changing Consumer Search Behavior[00:19:56] - What's Next and Amazon Unboxed Preview💡Takeaways:🏆 Kelly MacLean's competitive background as a professional soccer player shaped her approach to building fast-moving, high-performing ad tech teams.🔧 Amazon completely re-architected their DSP backend and frontend, moving from single-purpose to fully functioning multi-purpose platform, improving overall performance by over 40%.📺 Amazon DSP is now the only platform offering authenticated reach to over 80 million CTV households in the US through partnerships with Roku and other premium publishers.🤖 Amazon's "crystal box" approach to AI provides transparency and control while leveraging automation, contrasting with traditional "black box" systems.💰 Amazon offers industry-leading low fees: 0% for programmatic guaranteed deals on Amazon properties and 1% across premium streaming publishers.🎯 Performance Plus campaigns have driven over 51% improvement in customer acquisition costs through AI-powered optimization.📱 Amazon launched Complete TV ahead of upfronts, using AI to help marketers plan, manage, and measure holistic streaming TV buys across platforms.🔮 The future will likely combine simplified AI-driven products with complex expert features, as different campaigns and brands will require varying degrees of automation.🏈 Live sports remains one of the "last best places" where consumers are truly engaged for long durations, making it increasingly valuable for advertisers.📊 Amazon's approach focuses on deterministic identity and frequency capping to provide more efficient spend and clearer impact measurement.Amazon DSP: https://advertising.amazon.com/solutions/products/amazon-dsp
SummaryDazn's Walker Jacobs on Lessons From Streaming Global Sports Events, and What YouTube in for with its First NFL Game
Sep 200:33:26Summary ready🔖Chapters:00:00 - Introduction and DAZN Overview01:12 - DAZN's Global Sports Streaming Scale03:58 - Creating the FIFA Club World Cup Tournament07:43 - Managing Complex Global Live Streaming14:26 - The State of Sports and Streaming Industry18:40 - Lessons from Amazon's Thursday Night Football Launch27:30 - DAZN's US Growth Strategy and Original Content💡Takeaways:🌍 DAZN operates as the world's largest sports streaming service, handling over 90,000 live events annually across 200+ countries and territories.⚽ The FIFA Club World Cup represented the most ambitious global streaming project ever attempted, featuring 64 matches in 13 languages across 196 countries with just six months of preparation time.🤝 Strategic partnerships with linear broadcasters like TNT Sports and Univision helped maximize reach while building the DAZN brand in new markets.📺 80 of the top 100 broadcasts in 2024 were live sports, highlighting the critical importance of sports content for both traditional and streaming platforms.🎯 When entering established sports advertising markets, new streaming platforms should focus on "not screwing up" the basics before attempting to revolutionize the experience.📱 DAZN is integrating its Whistle Sports original content division with its live streaming platform, creating DAZN Originals that will be exclusive initially before going wide.🏈 The company is expanding its US footprint beyond boxing with Spanish-language soccer rights and new NFL-themed original programming.🚀 Success in global sports streaming requires massive technical preparation, with CDN capacity planning and platform stability being critical for simultaneous worldwide viewership.Follow Walker Jacobs: https://linkedin.com/in/walkerjacobs DAZN: https://dazn.com
SummaryWhy Creators Like Kai Cenat are Playing Dodgeball for $500K
Aug 1900:23:05Summary readyNext in Media spoke with Drew Muller, VP and General Manager of House of Highlights, about how the Warner Discovery-owned property is looking to bridge sports fandom with top creators' content via the Creator League. The event, founded in 2023, features top creators such as Kai Cenat, Jesser and FaZe Rug playing a series of tournaments in sports such as slamball, dodgeball and basketball for big prize money, both on social platforms and streaming services like HBO Max.💡Takeaways:🔄 Evolving Beyond Aggregation: Media brands are transitioning from being simple content aggregators to becoming original content producers to keep their audience engaged. 🎯 Prioritizing the Youth Audience: Despite reaching a mass scale of over 100 million followers, House of Highlights focuses on its core under-34 sports fan base to maintain its brand voice and avoid being diluted by trying to appeal to everyone. 📈 The Rise of CTV and YouTube: The growth of YouTube consumption on TV devices (CTV) signifies a new "lean-back" viewing environment for younger audiences, which presents a significant opportunity for advertisers. 🤝 Partnerships Beyond Traditional Ads: Brands are moving past traditional ad placements and integrating themselves into the "fabric of the competition" within custom content. 🏆 Creating Owned Sports Leagues: Instead of only covering traditional sports, media companies can create their own leagues, like the "Creator League" by House of Highlights, featuring creators and personalities. 🎙 Guest: Dan Muller🎤 Host: Mike Shields📺 Sponsor: VuePlanner🎬 Producer: FEL Creative
SummaryHow Tubi is Embracing Creators - and Trying to Shake up Streaming
Aug 5, 202500:27:08Summary readyNext in Media chatted with Rich Bloom, GM, Creator Programs & EVP, Business Development at Tubi, about the Fox-owned streamers new creator program, which has quickly expanded for five to 50 participants. Bloom also talked about Tubi's overall growth, Gen Z misconceptions, and whether TV needs to adopt more YouTube-like qualities.💡Takeaways:🎬 Creator Content is Blurring the Lines with Traditional TV: The distinction between content from native digital creators and traditional Hollywood content is becoming increasingly blurry, with creators now producing longer-form, high-quality content that is being watched on television.🤝 Collaborative Partnerships are a New Path to Hollywood: Tubi is creating a program called "Tubi For Creators" that provides native digital creators with a path to elevate their careers and businesses by giving them a way to work with Tubi.📈 Success Comes from Leveraging Existing Audiences: The success of Tubi’s original movie Sideline was a result of bringing together the built-in fandoms of a popular Wattpad novel and a huge TikTok star, Noah Beck, who was eager to cross over into acting.🚫 Accessibility and Low Friction are Key to Attracting Young Viewers: The absence of a paywall on Tubi makes it an accessible platform that encourages young audiences, like those on TikTok, to easily transition from a clip on their phone to watching the full content on Tubi.💰 Creators Are the New Media Startups: Creators are seen as sophisticated media startups that produce content, own their own IP, have large distribution channels, and have huge, loyal fan bases.🎙 Guest: Rich Bloom🎤 Host: Mike Shields📺 Sponsor: Elemental TV & Linkedin🎬 Producer: FEL Creative
SummaryAd Tech Forrest Gump Ari Paparo on his New Book, and Whether the Feds Should Have Nailed Google Sooner
Jul 29, 202500:26:30Summary readyNext in Media spoke with Marketecture CEO Ari Paparo, author of the new book "Yield: How Google Bought, Built, and Bullied Its Way to Advertising Dominance" about how Google was able to build a monopoly on programmatic ads, despite so many people in the ad industry shouting about it for years - and whether we can stop the next one.💡Takeaways:🏛️ The initial small scale of programmatic advertising in the early 2000s made it difficult for regulators to foresee its future dominance, allowing Google's DoubleClick acquisition to proceed with less scrutiny than it might warrant today.⚔️ Google's ownership of the ad server provided a significant competitive advantage, enabling it to "snipe" bids and secure ad inventory by having insight into auction prices.🔍 Regulators initially overlooked the critical advantage of Google's ad server being connected to its exchange, a factor that proved more significant than simply a company selling ads also owning a marketplace.🤫 Google's acquisition of Invite Media (which became DV360) for a relatively low price (around $80 million) reportedly allowed it to avoid significant antitrust scrutiny, highlighting a potential loophole in regulatory oversight based on transaction size.⚖️ The lack of specific regulations governing advertising market transactions, unlike financial markets, meant that the ad industry operated largely on "best behavior and contract law," creating vulnerabilities for anti-competitive practices.🗣️ Publisher dissatisfaction with Google's actions, such as removing features like UPR, played a significant role in fueling antitrust scrutiny and demonstrating the company's "total arrogance".🌍 Unlike the US, the Digital Markets Act in Europe provides regulators with tools to intervene based on a company's scale of power, offering a potential model for preventing future monopolies in the digital advertising space.🎙 Guest: Ari Paparo🎤 Host: Mike Shields📺 Sponsor: Elemental TV🎬 Producer: FEL Creative
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