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Supporting Physician Spouses
Hosted by Kendra Harvey and Katie Harris · EN
Supporting Physician Spouses is the go-to podcast for anyone navigating life as the spouse or partner of a physician. Hosted by Kendra, a physician family advocate and coach, and Katie, a resident spouse in the final year of her husband's training, this podcast is all about the transition from residency to practice.
Each episode, we dive into candid conversations about the unique challenges, joys, and uncertainties that come with this major life shift—finances, relocations, career changes, family dynamics, and more. Whether you're in the thick of training or looking ahead to the next stage, we're here to offer support, insight, and real talk from both sides of the journey.
Join us as we navigate this transition together!
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Episode 51: Silently Surviving: One Physician Spouse's Honest Story About Anxiety and Depression
6d ago00:33:53Tap to summarizeNobody warns you that you can be drowning and still make the lunches, still answer every question, still show up for bath time with a smile. Mental health doesn't always look like falling apart. Sometimes it looks like holding it together so well that nobody thinks to ask if you're okay. That's where this conversation begins. My guest today is Ally Hayward. She is a mother of four, a physician spouse deep in orthopedic surgery residency in Shreveport, Louisiana, and the woman behind the Instagram community Silently Surviving Souls. Ally and I first connected in the DMs back in February of 2021, when her husband had just started medical school. Four years later, we're finally sitting down together, and I think this conversation is one this community has needed for a long time. Ally was first diagnosed with anxiety and depression in 2012, during the eleven months she spent on a church mission before coming home early because things had gotten too bad to keep going. She came home to a world that wasn't quite ready to talk about any of it. So eventually, she built a space where people could. What I didn't expect from this conversation was how clearly Ally would name the thing so many physician spouses carry quietly. Not just the anxiety itself, but the deliberate decision to hide how bad it was. She didn't tell her husband the depth of what she was experiencing. She didn't tell her parents. She didn't tell her in-laws. Because she didn't want to be another weight on someone already carrying too much. Because everyone kept telling her how strong she was, and admitting the truth felt like surrendering the only thing she had left. She said something that stopped me mid-conversation. "If I'm not strong enough to do this, then what do we do?" That question is not just hers. I have heard some version of it from nearly every woman I work with. The strength that has carried you through the hardest years of your marriage can quietly become the thing keeping you from getting the help you actually need. We also talked about what a panic attack really feels like when it arrives out of nowhere at three in the morning, while your husband is at a conference and your parents are asleep down the hall. The tingling. The certainty that something is terribly wrong. The adrenaline that keeps you wide awake long after it passes. Ally describes it with the kind of honesty that makes you feel less alone in your own body. And then she tells you what helped. Not in a tidy, packaged way. Honestly, imperfectly, the way real answers usually come. Medication. Therapy. A neighbor who showed up on a night shift night and helped get four kids to bed without being asked. A primary care physician who took one look at her situation and said, "It's understandable that you feel this way." Those small moments of grace inside an incredibly hard season. Ally doesn't skip over them. She names them carefully. And I think that matters. If you've been carrying this quietly, this episode is for you. What You'll Learn [00:06:00 - 00:08:00] How a pre-existing anxiety diagnosis collides with the specific pressures of medical training and why residency hits differently [00:09:00 - 00:11:00] Why Ally hid the depth of her panic attacks from her husband and the identity trap that kept her silent [00:12:00 - 00:13:00] The "strong wife" pattern and why being told you're amazing can quietly become the thing keeping you stuck [00:13:00 - 00:16:00] What a severe panic attack feels like from the inside and one unexpected technique that actually helped when everything else was too far gone [00:24:00 - 00:26:00] What has genuinely made a difference for Ally, including an honest conversation about medication and why she stopped being ashamed of it [00:27:00 - 00:29:00] The tender mercies hiding inside the hard season and why appreciating the good days more is one of the quiet gifts of this kind of struggle Resources Mentioned Silently Surviving Souls on Instagram Life After Survival Mode Guide Your Next Steps Get the Life After Survival Mode Guide Follow Ally on Instagram Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify
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Episode 50: The Warrior Mode Pattern Every Physician Spouse Needs to Recognize
2w ago00:38:56Tap to summarizeMother's Day can be the loneliest day of the year when your inside life doesn't match what everyone around you is celebrating. If you spent any part of it going through the motions, this episode is for you. Today we're talking about what happens when the thing that kept you functioning starts costing you yourself and how one physician spouse found her way back. In this episode, we talk about: The "warrior mode" archetype and how it mirrors survival mode: blinders on, action-focused, tightly controlled, and quietly exhausting The TIANT framework (Tension, Intention, Attention, No Tension) as a tool for recognizing when you're trying to control a situation and how to release it The language signals that tell you you're in warrior mode, the "shoulds," "need tos," and "have tos" you're placing on the people around you Why reconnecting with small sensory joys (a postcard of autumn leaves, a smell you love) is not indulgence but the specific antidote to warrior energy The three-question reflection practice Margaret and her husband use for everything from holidays to hard conversations: what worked, what didn't, what do we try differently next time You'll hear: Margaret's story of giving birth via emergency C-section while her neurosurgeon husband was in New Zealand, and what it taught her about surrendering expectations The dinner conversation where she told her husband she had nothing left to contribute and the moment she realized the warrior had consumed everything else The Mary Poppins bag moment: what happened when she finally handed her husband the diaper bag, said "have fun," and let go of control for two hours The question she now asks herself to start coming back: not "what do I want for my life," but "what do I want for the next five minutes" This episode is especially for you if: You can tell anyone exactly what your husband needs, what your kids need, what the dog needs but if someone asked you what you want right now, you would genuinely not know You've been so deep in survival mode for so long that you've stopped noticing the tension in your shoulders, the grinding of your teeth, the tightness you've just accepted as normal You know something needs to shift but pursuing anything for yourself still feels like a selfish act you haven't earned yet Links & resources mentioned: A Hero's Journey in Parenting by Margaret Webb The Joy Diet by Martha Beck Margaret Webb's Website Life After Survival Mode Guide Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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Episode 49: The Truth About Motherhood, Identity, and Loneliness in a Medical Marriage
3w ago00:20:41Tap to summarizeMother's Day can feel like the one day a year the world finally sees you. It can also feel like the loneliest Sunday of the year. Sometimes both, in the same afternoon. Today we're talking about the real experience of motherhood inside a physician marriage, the sacred parts and the hard parts, and why honoring both at once is not a contradiction. In this episode, we talk about: The four-word question ("What do you do?") and why the hardest version of it isn't the one asked at a dinner party — it's the one you ask yourself at 11pm when the house is quiet The specific loneliness of raising children in a physician marriage: not single-mom loneliness, not the loneliness of a struggling marriage, but something in between that doesn't have a clean name and is therefore hard to even justify feeling The career divergence that quietly widens every year his expertise deepening, his earning potential growing, yours narrowing or on hold, and why noticing that gap doesn't make you ungrateful The difference between "I am a mother" as peace and "I am a mother" as resignation, and why you deserve to know which one you're actually living in Why survival mode doesn't make you a bad mother it just puts a kind of glass between you and your life, so you can see it and be present for it without fully inhabiting it You'll hear: Kendra's honest reflection on reading "I Am a Mother" by Jane Clayson Johnson wanting to feel settled in that answer, and instead feeling pride layered over a quiet fear of disappearing The resentment-guilt cycle described exactly as it lives in the body: the resentment that feels honest, and the guilt that feels like punishment for having it Why what looks like anger at your husband is often grief, grief for a version of yourself that didn't happen, or hasn't happened yet The specific joy Kendra describes finding not in planned moments or documented milestones, but in ordinary afternoons in the car when her kids are just talking and she gets to hear who they actually are This episode is especially for you if: You have spent years showing up for everyone in your household and cannot quite explain why you still feel so alone, because you are not technically alone You find yourself quietly grieving a professional identity or intellectual life that got set aside during this season, and then feeling ashamed of the grief like noticing it makes you a bad wife Mother's Day brings up something complicated, pride and exhaustion and love and a wish that the recognition didn't have to wait for one Sunday in May Links & resources mentioned: Download our free guide, Life After Survival Mode here Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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Episode 48: Is Your Physician Marriage Surviving or Thriving? A Couples Success Plan
4w ago00:24:01Tap to summarizeNobody tells you that the hardest part of a physician marriage isn't the residency. It's the moment training ends, the life you were promised finally arrives, and you're standing there wondering if something is wrong with you. Today we're talking about what it actually takes to move from a marriage that functions to a marriage that feels like something, and it's a conversation for every physician spouse who has been quietly waiting for things to get better on their own. In this episode, we talk about: Why most physician marriages don't end in crisis — they end in drift, two capable people functioning in parallel until one of them looks up and realizes they've been living with a roommate. The Wayne Sotile quote that reframes everything: the same discipline that got your husband through medical school is exactly what your marriage requires — and the question is whether he's willing to apply it there. The 90-minute daily connection threshold that research points to as a marker of relationship satisfaction, and what it actually looks like to work toward that in a life where 90 uninterrupted minutes is a fantasy. The success plan framework for moving a physician couple from two efficient individuals to an actual unified team — and which pieces of it Kendra and Adrian do well, which ones they've adapted, and which ones are harder in real life than they look on paper. Why waiting for the schedule to settle is one of the most expensive bets a physician couple can make You'll hear: Adrian's story about calling Kendra from a train in Colorado the moment he got good news at work — and what that small instinct says about where your relationship actually sits in your priority list. Kendra and Adrian's honest look at what they got wrong in residency: no shared vision, no real communication, just a plan to survive and sort it out later. A real-time conversation about scheduled intimacy — including Adrian's very practical (and very honest) take on why spontaneity doesn't survive two dogs, five kids, and a 10pm call schedule. The one thing each of them would go back and tell themselves, and why both answers come back to the same word: intention. This episode is especially for you if: You've been telling yourself things will get better once this season passes — and some part of you is starting to wonder if that day is actually coming Your marriage isn't in crisis, it's just... quiet. Functional. And that flatness has started to feel louder than any fight ever did. You've been carrying the mental load, managing the household, holding everything together, and somewhere in all of that you stopped telling your husband what you actually needed because it felt easier to just wait Links & resources mentioned: Download our free guide, Strategies for Your Medical Marriage The Medical Marriage by Wayne M. Sotile, PhD & Mary O. Sotile Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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Episode 47: Not Divorced Isn't the Same as Happily Married for Physician Spouses
Apr 2100:21:43Tap to summarizeNot divorced is not the same as happy. If you've ever sat with that thought and felt something in your chest recognize it, this episode is for you. Today we're talking about what physician divorce statistics actually measure and what they miss, for physician spouses who are staying in their marriages but quietly wondering if staying is enough. In this episode, we talk about: Why lower divorce rates in physician marriages are not evidence that those marriages are working, and what the data actually fails to capture. The research on what most predicts relationship satisfaction in physician marriages, including the 90-minute threshold that moves the needle on how connected a spouse feels. The 2-2-2 rule as a practical framework for protecting your relationship, even during the financially tight and schedule-brutal years of training. The slow, quiet way physician spouses lose themselves inside a marriage that looks fine from the outside. You'll hear: Why so many women come to coaching talking about weight loss or the kids, and eventually find their way to the marriage, and what that pattern actually says about self-worth. A direct quote from psychologist Wayne Sotile that reframes marital investment in language physicians are wired to respond to. A simple, low-cost version of the 2-2-2 rule for couples who are still in training and working with a tight budget. This episode is especially for you if: You're still in the marriage and no dramatic crisis has happened, but something has been quietly missing for a long time. You've learned to filter what you bring up based on how your partner's week is going, and you're not sure when you started doing that. You feel like your identity has slowly organized itself around your spouse's career, schedule, and needs, and you're not sure who you are outside of that. Links & resources mentioned: Download our free guide, Life After Survival Mode: https://subscribepage.io/skYpZa Ready for deeper support? Learn about Private Coaching here. Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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Episode 46: Survival Mode Beliefs Physician Spouses Can't See
Apr 1400:15:35Tap to summarizeYou've been doing the thought work. You've read the books. You understand that thoughts shape your experience. And you still feel stuck. That is exactly where this episode begins. Today we're talking about why survival-mode beliefs are so hard to change, for physician spouses who are juggling years of adaptation that have quietly become identity. In this episode, we talk about: Why understanding "thoughts create feelings" doesn't automatically change anything, and what actually gets in the way for physician spouses specifically How survival mode forms beliefs you can no longer see, beliefs that stop feeling like thoughts and start feeling like facts The difference between a thought you can examine and a belief fused with identity, and why that distinction changes everything about the work A simple, practical starting point for beginning to surface what's been running underneath the surface for years You'll hear: Why the most capable, self-aware women are often the most stuck, not because they're doing it wrong, but because the thoughts most in need of examination are the ones they can no longer see The quiet beliefs that form inside physician marriages over years of necessary adaptation, and how over-functioning stops being a response to circumstance and becomes a self-concept A grounded exercise you can try today: identify your three most common feelings on an ordinary day, then notice what you're thinking about what's happening, not just what happened This episode is especially for you if: You've tried to "do the mindset work" and still find yourself cycling back to the same exhaustion, resentment, or flatness You know something has shifted inside you over the years, but you couldn't explain exactly when or how it happened You feel like you've become someone who holds everything together, and you're not sure anymore whether that's a strength or a story you've been living inside Links & resources mentioned: Download the free Life After Survival Mode guide: Learn about private coaching with Kendra: www.itgetsbetternow.com Listen to last week's episode on making decisions ahead of time Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more at: https://itgetsbetternow.com/
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Episode 45: Deciding Ahead of Time - A Tool for Physician Spouses
Apr 700:36:09Tap to summarizeYou already know the city might not be your choice. The program will be what it is. The schedule will be relentless. What you actually get to decide is who you are going to be inside all of it. Today we're talking about deciding ahead of time, a practical and underused tool for physician spouses who are carrying the weight of constant transition while trying to hold themselves and their families together. In this episode, we talk about: What deciding ahead of time actually means and why it is not the same as positive thinking or performing optimism How your brain filters reality based on what you have already decided to look for, and why that matters more than your circumstances The difference between the facts of a transition and the story you are already running about it How to apply this tool not just to a move or the match, but to your marriage and to who you are becoming You'll hear: A simple parable about two families who move into the same neighborhood and have completely different experiences based on what they expected to find An honest conversation about what it actually feels like to arrive somewhere new when the excitement wears off and the doubt sets in A step-by-step approach to making a real decision before the hard season starts, including how to write it down, revisit it, and let it anchor you in month three when things get difficult This episode is especially for you if: You have a transition coming and you are already dreading it or building a story about everything that will be wrong You have moved before and arrived feeling behind before you even unpacked a box You want your marriage to survive this season, not just endure it, and you are not sure where to start Links & resources mentioned: Download our free guide, Life After Survival Mode Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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Episode 44: Physician Spouse Day, You Are Doing a Great Job
Mar 3100:19:31Tap to summarizeToday we're talking about National Physician Spouse Day, a day to honor you for the invisible, essential work you've been doing while everyone else pauses to celebrate the physicians in our lives. In this episode, we talk about: Why your contributions matter, even if they don't show up on a CV or earn public recognition The particular exhaustion of being capable, of being the one who handles it, and wondering if anyone will ever think to ask if you're okay Why your resentment is not a character flaw, and why wanting more for yourself is not selfish What it means to stop being the supporting character in someone else's story and remember you're living your own You'll hear: A message Kendra wrote in 2021 that launched the first National Physician Spouse Day, and why the words still ring true today Why you are not behind, even if it feels like everyone else your age has built something with a name the world recognizes Permission to name the resentment, to want something for yourself, and to believe you're doing a great job without any qualifications This episode is especially for you if: You're holding a household together through training and nobody seems to notice how much you're carrying You're on the other side of training but still braced, still over-functioning, still waiting to exhale You love your spouse and still resent what this life has cost you, and you're tired of feeling guilty about it Links & resources mentioned: Download our free guide, Life After Survival Mode Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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Episode 43: Finding Home as a Physician Spouse, Real Estate Guidance with Amanda Baron
Mar 2400:37:35Tap to summarizeToday we're talking about relocating as a physician family: juggling housing decisions, community building, and the weight of transitions that feel bigger than just finding the right house. In this episode, we talk about: How to find a realtor who actually understands medical life, not just your theoretical income What makes a move feel like home, beyond square footage and school districts Why your community matters just as much as your house, and how to build one from scratch Whether to rent or buy when your timeline is uncertain and your schedule is unpredictable You'll hear: Amanda's story of moving to Nashville without community and how that loneliness became the catalyst for creating a thriving local physician spouse group Why interviewing realtors matters, what questions to ask, and when it's okay to walk away from a transaction that doesn't feel right Practical advice for first-time homebuyers navigating a confusing market, including when the numbers don't actually make sense to buy This episode is especially for you if: You're staring down a move and feel overwhelmed by all the unknowns stacking up at once You're trying to figure out if you should rent or buy when your partner's contract is short or the job situation still feels uncertain You want to feel less alone in a new city but don't know where to start or who to reach out to Links & resources mentioned: Connect with Amanda Baron: Instagram @amandabaronrealtor | Behind the White Coat Podcast Download Amanda's Physician Relocation Guide, Moving Checklist, and Rent vs. Buy Guide Free resource: Life After Survival Mode guide Stay connected: Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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BONUS: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Reality TV as a Mirror
Mar 2000:10:56Tap to summarizeWhat happens when someone names survival mode in months while you've been living it for years? Today we're talking about why it's so hard to name what you're living through—for physician spouses who are juggling the invisible weight of a life that "should" feel better by now. In this episode, we talk about: What the Hulu reality show Secret Lives of Mormon Wives accidentally revealed about the physician spouse experience and why it's so uncomfortable to watch The difference between noticing you're in survival mode and believing you're allowed to say so Why adaptation that once served you can become the thing keeping you stuck What changes when you stop waiting for circumstances to shift and start untangling from the inside You'll hear: The story of someone who named survival mode, identity loss, and quiet resentment after just months and what that mirror reveals about how long you've been carrying the same weight Why naming what's real doesn't mean you're ungrateful, dramatic, or failing… it means you're finally paying attention The question that changes everything: not why someone else noticed faster, but what made it so easy for you not to notice at all This episode is especially for you if: You've been doing this for years and still haven't said out loud that it's hard You recognize yourself in the bathroom, the long shower, the errand that didn't need to take that long You're tired of performing gratitude while quietly resenting a life you can't seem to name Links & resources mentioned: - Download the free guide: Life After Survival Mode Stay connected: - Follow us on Instagram: @supportingphysicianspouses | @kendra_itgetsbetternow - Learn more about coaching: www.itgetsbetternow.com
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