The Autism Little Learners Podcast

#183 Presuming Competence in the Preschool Classroom

My non-speaking three-year-old student told me "This is boring" on his AAC device. That moment changed everything for me, because that is communication, and that is competence. It's exactly what today's episode is about: presuming competence, an idea that quietly shapes everything else we do with young autistic children. Because so often, the ability was there all along. What was missing wasn't the child's capacity. It was the tools, and an adult willing to believe there was something worth saying. This conversation explores what presuming competence actually means, why it matters so much in the preschool years, the prerequisite myths that hold kids back, and the practical shifts that help us act like the capable child is already there. We'll talk about: ● what presuming competence really means ● why the preschool years set a child's trajectory ● the "prerequisite trap" and why there are no readiness skills for communication ● why speech is not the same as intelligence ● what presuming competence looks like in a real classroom ● why communication should never have to be earned Because we don't know what a child knows until they have the tools to tell us. In This Episode, You'll Learn • What it actually means to presume competence, and why it's a starting posture, not a reward • Why the false belief that "speech equals intelligence" causes real harm • How the way we describe a child can become a self-fulfilling prophecy • Why there are no prerequisites for communication, no pointing, matching, or "safe behavior" required • How lowered expectations in early childhood can follow a child for a lifetime • Practical ways to presume competence with non-speaking and minimally speaking children • Why cognitive testing can dramatically underestimate what a child knows • What it means to make communication available rather than something a child has to earn Key Takeaways • Presuming competence means believing in a child's capacity before they can prove it • Non-speaking does not mean non-understanding • Speech is not the same as intelligence • There are no readiness skills required for robust AAC • Children grow toward the expectations we hold for them • We don't talk about a child in front of them, because we presume they understand • Behavior almost always has deeper meaning than a few simple categories • Communication is a right, not something a child has to earn Try This • Pick one child whose abilities you may be quietly underestimating, and shift one assumption this week • Talk to every child as if they understand every word, because they very well might • Stop talking about a child in front of them, even with co-teachers and paras • Follow a child's deep interests instead of restricting them • Model language without requiring the child to perform it back • Make room for silence, simply being a calm, trusting presence • Hold cognitive test scores loosely, and presume there is more inside than the test could reach Related Resources & Links AAC In The Classroom AAC- What Most Educators Miss Preschool Autism Summit Registration- Grab your free ticket to the 3rd Annual Preschool Autism Summit (Happening Now) Autism Little Learners Membership When we presume competence, we stop waiting for children to prove they're ready and start making sure they always have the opportunity to communicate. Our job was never to decide when a child is ready. It's to make sure the door is always open. And once you start seeing every child as already capable, it changes everything about the way you teach.

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#182 Emotional Intelligence in the Classroom with NYT Best Seller Alyssa Blask Campbell

2w ago00:47:23Summary ready

What if defiance is really dysregulation? In this episode I sit down with Alyssa Blask Campbell — New York Times bestselling author of Tiny Humans, Big Emotions, founder of Seed & Sow, and co-creator of the Collaborative Emotion Processing method — to talk about emotional intelligence, unique nervous systems, and why the behavior we find hardest is so often a child asking for support. When we see challenging behavior, we're usually looking at a nervous system that needs support — not a child who needs fixing. Alyssa breaks down the five components of emotional intelligence — self-awareness, self-regulation, empathy, motivation, and social skills — and why every one of us develops them differently. She shares a fresh way to understand empathy, a powerful reframe around the word "autistic" and our own implicit biases, and why so much of supporting a dysregulated child starts with regulating ourselves first. We also get into her flagship free tool, the regulation questionnaire built alongside OTs, and the sensory shift that's helping schools cut behavior support calls by 60 percent — not by adding more tools, but by matching the right tool to the child in front of you. We'll talk about: the five components of emotional intelligence, and why we each develop them differently why regulation is never one-size-fits-all a fresh way to understand empathy: believing a feeling is true for the child the Collaborative Emotion Processing method, and why most of it is about us how implicit bias shapes the way we respond to an autism diagnosis the free regulation questionnaire, and the sensory shift that cut behavior calls by 60% In This Episode, You'll Learn The five components of emotional intelligence: self-awareness, self-regulation, empathy, motivation, and social skills Why "the volcano" is such a powerful way to teach kids self-awareness Why regulation strategies have to match a child's unique nervous system A new definition of empathy — connecting over what a child feels, not why How implicit biases quietly shape what we expect of an autistic child Why supporting kids well starts with regulating ourselves first The difference between sensory-seeking and sensory-sensitive needs, and why the right tool matters How a free regulation questionnaire helps match the right support to the right child Why predictable routines are regulating and build a child's autonomy Key Takeaways Challenging behavior is often a dysregulated nervous system asking for support Every human has a unique nervous system — regulation is not one-size-fits-all We each develop the five components of emotional intelligence differently Empathy means believing a child's feeling is true, no matter the reason behind it The work starts with the adult: our self-awareness, our biases, our self-care The right sensory tool beats more tools — match the tool to the child Meeting sensory needs for everyone can dramatically reduce behavior support calls Predictability regulates the nervous system and supports autonomy Your reactivity isn't failure; it's dysregulation — and there's a path forward Try This Name the "volcano" with a child to build self-awareness before the explosion Ask what truly calms this nervous system instead of defaulting to deep breaths Practice empathy by believing the feeling, without judging the reason for it Notice the story or bias behind your own reaction to a behavior Map your own nervous system: what recharges you, and what drains you Offer a sensory tool to any child who needs it, not just to one labeled child Build in predictable routines and transition objects to ease the day Regulate yourself first, then return to the child with more capacity Related Resources & Links Seed & Sow — free Regulation Questionnaire Tiny Humans, Big Emotions by Alyssa Blask Campbell Big Kids, Bigger Feelings by Alyssa Blask Campbell Preschool Autism Summit (July 2026) We all have a unique nervous system, and none of us regulate the same way. When we stop trying to manage behavior and start getting curious about the human in front of us — what's dysregulating, what's regulating, what support would actually help — everything softens. Behavior becomes communication, and our job becomes connection. That's good for our autistic learners, and it turns out it's good for every child in the room.

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#181: Every Non-Speaking Child Should Have Access To Robust AAC with AAC User, Jordyn Zimmerman

3w ago01:05:17Summary ready

Imagine understanding every word around you while the adults talk over you like you're not even there — and not having a reliable way to communicate until you're almost 19. That's part of Jordyn Zimmerman's story. Jordyn is an autistic woman who is non-speaking and a full-time AAC user, and in this conversation she shares, from lived experience, what will change how you show up in your classroom. Communication is a basic human right. It is never something a student has to earn, and there are no prerequisites for AAC. None. We talk about why a lack of speech is not a lack of language, what an AAC-rich environment really looks like, the difference between requesting systems and robust language-based AAC, and what "presume competence" actually means as an action, not just a phrase. Jordyn also shares her advocacy work and the simple, powerful truth that every learner deserves a way to comment, question, joke, disagree, and tell their own stories. A quick heads up before you listen: Jordyn prepared some answers ahead of time and responded to others in real time, so you'll hear pauses between each question and Jordyn's answer. I challenge you to resist the urge to fast-forward through the wait time. Sitting with that silence is one of the most important skills of a good communication partner — in this episode, and in your classroom. We'll talk about: why a lack of speech is not a lack of language — and non-speaking is not non-understanding why communication is a basic human right, not something a student earns the real differences between PECS, core boards, and robust language-based AAC what an AAC-rich environment looks like, and why it's hard to build in separated settings what "presume competence" actually looks like in daily practice Jordyn's advocacy work — and why there are no prerequisites for AAC In This Episode, You'll Learn What Jordyn wishes the adults around her had understood about supporting AAC users Why consistent, individualized access to a communication system matters from the start How to build an AAC-rich, language-rich environment that goes beyond the device Why PECS is a requesting system, and what robust AAC makes possible How autonomy, choice, and agency separate true communication from requesting alone What presuming competence means as an action, including offering robust vocabulary from the beginning Why we shouldn't limit a student's vocabulary until they've "proven" competence Why honoring wait time is a core communication-partner skill Key Takeaways Communication is a basic human right, never something a student earns There are no prerequisites for AAC — none A lack of speech is not a lack of language; non-speaking is not non-understanding Robust, language-based AAC offers autonomy; requesting systems alone do not An AAC-rich environment models language in every way, not just through the device Presume competence by offering robust language access from the very beginning Honoring wait time is part of being a good communication partner Try This Resist the urge to fill silence — give real wait time and let the person respond Model language through AAC, not just spoken words, throughout the day Offer robust vocabulary from the start instead of waiting for "proof" of readiness Build an AAC-rich environment so every child both hears and sees language Look for any "prerequisites" in your setting — then work to remove them Assume the child understands, and talk with them, never over them Make space for commenting, joking, and disagreeing, not just requesting Related Resources & Links Jordyn Zimmerman Website Jordyn's documentary Preschool Autism Summit + VIP Day (Jordyn returns for a deeper conversation) No research or framework can teach us what it feels like to understand everything and have no way to say it. When we presume competence, offer robust language from the start, build AAC-rich environments, and honor wait time, we stop asking children to earn their voices and start making sure they always have one. That is the work, and it changes everything.

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#180 Preschool Autism Summit: How it came to be & the movement we're building together

4w ago00:31:31Summary ready

He was banging his head on the floor, and Tara remembers the tears sliding down her cheeks and the only words she could find: "How can I help you?" That moment, and dozens of others over 25 years in the classrooms, the real origin story of the Preschool Autism Summit. In this episode, we flip the script. Instead of Tara behind the mic, her teammate Shawna takes over as host and interviews Tara about how the summit actually began, long before it was an annual event with 30 presentations and thousands of attendees. What started as one teacher making her own resources because nothing existed for three- and four-year-olds has grown into something much bigger than a conference. Tara and Shawna talk about the isolating early years of teaching "back in the 1900s," the students who taught Tara how to teach, and the gut-level "if it feels yucky, don't do it" moments that pushed her away from compliance-based practices and toward regulation, connection, and respect for autistic children. If you've ever wondered how the Preschool Autism Summit came to be — or why this work matters so deeply — this conversation is for you. In This Episode, You'll Learn Why Tara started Autism Little Learners — and how it began with simply making her own classroom materials What teaching autistic students looked like "back in the 1900s," before online resources, memberships, or virtual courses existed The students who shaped how Tara supports autistic children today How the idea for the Preschool Autism Summit was born in late 2023 — and why preschool-specific training was the gap she set out to fill What makes the summit different from a traditional conference (no travel, no cold ballrooms, no weird sandwiches) How autistic adults review every single presentation to keep the summit genuinely neuroaffirming Why Tara moved away from behavioral approaches like hand-over-hand prompting and toward regulation and connection What attendees can expect from the 2026 summit, July 12–15 Key Takeaways Change often starts with one small idea. Tara never set out to leave the classroom or build a business — she just wanted to share the resources she was already making. Teaching autistic children can feel isolating. Many educators and SLPs are the only one or two doing this work in their entire school. Community is what breaks the "you're on an island" feeling. Regulation comes first, connection right beside it. A dysregulated child isn't able to learn — and learning is hard without genuine connection. Connection means weaving in what a child loves, not dangling their interests as a reward to get compliance. If it feels yucky, don't do it. That gut feeling is worth trusting — and now there are neuroaffirming alternatives that didn't exist decades ago. Autistic voices belong at the center. Autistic adults review every presentation, so "neuroaffirming" is a practice, not just a label. Small shifts in adult behavior have lifelong impact. A child is autistic — it's part of who they are, not something they carry and set aside. This is a movement, not just an event. One free ticket can reach roughly 10 students. Tara's goal: reach a million. None of us have to do this work alone. Try This Reflect on how your own practice has changed over the years. Name one area where you're moving from compliance toward connection. Think of a child who reshaped how you see your work. Reach out to one educator who shares your values. Grab your free ticket and learn alongside thousands of educators, therapists, and families at the 2026 Preschool Autism Summit. Resources & Links Preschool Autism Summit Registration — Grab your free ticket to the 3rd Annual Preschool Autism Summit, July 12–15, 2026: preschoolautism.com This year's summit features 30+ presentations, make-and-take sessions with Tara, and an All Access Pass option for year-round access plus certificates of completion.

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#179: The 4-Letter Shift That Changes How You See Behavior!

Jun 1600:16:35Summary ready

What if behavior isn't something to stop, but something to listen to? In this episode, we're talking about one of the biggest mindset shifts happening in autism education right now: moving from compliance-based teaching toward connection, regulation, and understanding. Because what often gets labeled as "behavior" in preschool classrooms is actually communication. I'll walk you through what changes when educators stop asking, "How do I stop this behavior?" and start asking, "What is this child telling me right now?" This conversation explores the nervous system underneath behavior, the long-term impact of compliance-focused practices, and what regulation-first support can look like in real preschool classrooms. We'll talk about: ● why "behavior" is often communication ● the hidden cost of compliance-based teaching ● what dysregulation actually looks like in young children ● why regulation must come before expectation ● classroom examples of regulation-first support ● how relationship-building changes learning outcomes Because compliance is not the same as learning. In This Episode, You'll Learn • Why many challenging behaviors are rooted in nervous system needs • How sensory overwhelm, transitions, and demands impact regulation • The difference between compliance and genuine engagement • Why regulation-first classrooms support learning more effectively • What co-regulation looks like during difficult moments • Practical ways to support autistic preschoolers without forcing participation • Why connection creates more sustainable outcomes than control Key Takeaways • Behavior is communication • Dysregulation is not defiance • Compliance does not equal learning • Nervous systems must feel safe before learning can happen • Regulation-first support benefits all children, not just autistic children • Co-regulation happens through presence, not pressure • Flexibility and relationship-building create more meaningful participation • Educators can support children without requiring perfect compliance Try This • Pause before responding to a behavior and ask what the child may be communicating • Look for sensory, emotional, or environmental stressors underneath dysregulation • Offer lower-demand moments during difficult transitions • Loosen one classroom expectation this week and observe what changes • Build in predictable regulation supports throughout the day • Focus on helping the child feel safe before asking them to perform • Replace "How do I stop this?" with "What support is needed here?" Related Resources & Links 💚 Preschool Autism Summit💚 AAC What Most Educators Miss 💚 Calm Spaces Supports 💚 Autism Little Learners Membership When we shift from compliance to connection, we stop seeing children as problems to manage. We begin seeing nervous systems asking for support. And once you start looking through that lens, it changes everything about the way you teach.

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#178: What If Too Many Questions Are Quieting Your AAC Learners?

Jun 900:14:53Summary ready

In this episode, we're talking about something so many of us were taught to do with the best of intentions, but that can quietly work against us: prompting. Because when nearly every interaction becomes a question, a direction, or a cue, communication can actually shrink instead of grow. I'll walk you through what happens when a child learns that communication only ever shows up after an adult prompts them, and how that can lead to waiting, shorter responses, or disengaging altogether. This conversation explores the difference between testing and communicating, why processing time matters so much, and the simple, doable shifts that help authentic communication flourish in real preschool classrooms and homes. We'll talk about: ● what prompt dependence actually is ● why constant prompting can feel exhausting for autistic children ● the difference between testing a skill and true communication ● why so many of our interactions quietly become tests ● what happens for AAC users under constant prompting ● five simple shifts that invite communication instead of demanding it Because communication is something we build together, not something we pull out of children. In This Episode, You'll Learn What prompt dependence is and how it develops Why what looks like a lack of communication may actually be communication fatigue The difference between testing what a child knows and genuine communication Why autistic children may wait, give the shortest response, or disengage How constant prompting adds pressure for AAC users Why processing time matters and what happens when we interrupt it How following a child's interests creates more communication than prompting does What it means to model language without expecting imitation Key Takeaways Prompts are not the problem, but prompting should not become the whole interaction Communication is not the same thing as testing Silence is often a child processing, not refusing Comments reduce pressure in a way questions cannot Children learn language through thousands of models, not through being quizzed Connection creates communication opportunities more effectively than prompts The goal is not perfect responses, it is authentic communication When we reduce pressure, we often get more communication, not less Try This Notice the balance of questions versus comments in your interactions this week Comment more and question less during one daily routine, like snack or play After you say something, pause and wait, counting to ten before adding anything Follow the child's interests and join their world instead of redirecting them Model words and phrases on the AAC device without requiring imitation Create an opportunity to communicate, like a clear container or two snack choices, then wait Replace "What do you want?" with setting up the moment and letting the child lead Related Resources & Links 💚 Preschool Autism Summit💚 AAC What Most Educators Miss 💚 Autism Little Learners Membership When we stop pulling for responses and start building moments worth communicating about, something shifts. The pressure lifts, the child relaxes, and communication starts to grow on its own terms. And once you start seeing it that way, it changes the way you show up in every interaction.

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#177: Echolalia Is Communication (Not Something to Eliminate)

Jun 200:00:40Summary ready

In this episode, we're talking about echolalia, what it really is, what it's doing, and why so many autistic children communicate this way. For years, many educators and therapists were taught to reduce echolalia or move children "past it." But research, autistic voices, and deeper understanding of gestalt language processing have helped shift that thinking in important ways. Echolalia is not meaningless repetition. It is communication. Today's conversation explores: what echolalia actually is the difference between immediate and delayed echolalia how gestalt language processors acquire language differently why scripts and repeated phrases often carry deep meaning what educators can do instead of trying to eliminate echolalia how to support communication in more affirming and responsive ways Because every echo carries meaning. And when we stop trying to eliminate it, we can finally start listening. In This Episode, You'll Learn • What echolalia actually is and why it matters • The difference between immediate and delayed echolalia • What Gestalt language processing (GLP) means • How GLPs acquire language differently than analytic language processors • Why scripts and repeated phrases often carry emotional meaning • Common signs a child may be a gestalt language processor • Why echolalia should not be treated as meaningless repetition • How echolalia supports regulation, processing, requesting, protesting, and connection • Why declarative language is often more supportive than constant questions • How to model language from the child's perspective • Why AAC and visuals can support clearer communication • How to shift from correcting echolalia to understanding it Key Takeaways • Echolalia is communication, not a behavior to eliminate • Many autistic children naturally process language in chunks or gestalts • Scripts often represent feelings, memories, or emotional experiences • The words a child says may not always be literal, but they still carry meaning • Questions can increase pressure for many gestalt language processors • Modeling without correction creates safer opportunities for communication growth • Pronoun reversals are often part of chunk-based language learning • Children deserve communication support that honors their natural language style • Curiosity and connection matter more than perfection Signs a Child May Be a Gestalt Language Processor Echolalia or scripting Pronoun reversals Strong musicality or memorized songs Rewatching the same scenes repeatedly Rich intonation patterns Long jargon strings with emotional tone Repeating phrases tied to emotional experiences Try This • Reduce the number of questions you ask during play and routines • Use more declarative language like "Mmm, cookie" or "Let's go outside" • Model phrases from the child's perspective • Notice repeated scripts and look for patterns around when they appear • Watch body language alongside echolalia for additional communication clues • Respond to the meaning behind the script, not just the words themselves • Support communication with visuals and AAC when needed • Pause and allow processing time instead of filling every silence Resources Mentioned Meaningful Speech https://meaningfulspeech.com/ More Than Words by The Hanen Centre https://hanen.org 💚 Visual Supports Starter Set💚 AAC What Most Educators Miss💚 Autism Little Learners Membership💚 Social Story Library Final Thoughts A child repeating a script is not "just scripting." A child echoing your words is not failing communication. A child singing full songs before generating original sentences is still using language. Echolalia is language. Sometimes borrowed. Sometimes memorized. Sometimes repeated word for word. But always meaningful. When we stop trying to eliminate echolalia and start listening to it, we begin to understand so much more about what a child is trying to communicate. And that shift changes everything.

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#176: Before Words: Why Symbolic Sounds Matter More Than You Think

May 2600:17:22Summary ready

In this episode, we're talking about something that often gets overlooked in early language development: symbolic sounds and exclamatory words. The "vrooooms," "uh-ohs," "wheees," and "mooos" that many children use before traditional words are not meaningless sounds. They are real communication. This conversation explores why these early sounds matter so much, especially for autistic preschoolers, minimally speaking children, and children just beginning their communication journey. We'll talk about: ● why symbolic sounds are often easier for children to produce than traditional words ● how exclamatory words help build joint attention and connection ● why modeling without pressure matters ● how these sounds support regulation, engagement, and communication ● simple ways to naturally model symbolic sounds during play and routines Because before words doesn't mean before language. Language is already there. In This Episode, You'll Learn • What symbolic sounds and exclamatory words actually are • Why sounds like "moo," "uh-oh," and "beep beep" count as meaningful communication • How symbolic sounds are often easier for children to produce than traditional words • Why these sounds are especially powerful for non-speaking and minimally speaking autistic children • How exclamatory words support joint attention and imitation • Why communication grows through exposure, not expectation • The importance of modeling without pressure or correction • How repetition supports language learning and regulation • Simple play-based ways to model symbolic sounds throughout the day • Why joyful connection matters more than perfect responses Key Takeaways • Language begins long before traditional words emerge • Symbolic sounds and exclamatory words are valid forms of communication • Early communication often develops through emotionally meaningful sounds and shared experiences • Joint attention and connection are foundational to language learning • Modeling language without pressure creates safer opportunities for communication growth • Repetition supports learning, regulation, and confidence • Communication should never be measured only by spoken words • Joy, connection, and shared attention are powerful language-building tools Try This • Add symbolic sounds naturally into play routines like cars, animals, bubbles, or sensory bins • Use exclamatory words during real moments: "uh-oh," "wow," "whoa," and "oops!" • Pause after modeling a sound and give the child space to process • Match your facial expressions and tone to the sound you're modeling • Let the child's interests guide which sounds you use • Repeat sounds often without turning them into a drill or demand • Focus on connection and shared enjoyment instead of performance Simple Ideas Mentioned in This Episode ● The falling toy: "Oh no!" ● Car ramps with "wheee!" and "vroooom!" ● Surprise bags with animal sounds ● Books with exaggerated reactions and exclamatory words ● Peek-a-boo animal games ● Sound books with one symbolic sound per page Related Resources & Links 💚 Visual Supports Starter Set 💚 AAC What Most Educators Miss 💚 Autism Little Learners Membership 💚 Social Story Library Final Thoughts A child who says "vroooom" while pushing a car is communicating. A child who gasps during a game is communicating. A child who laughs during peek-a-boo is communicating. When we broaden our understanding of language, we stop waiting only for perfect words and start recognizing the meaningful communication already happening right in front of us. Every sound matters. Every moment of connection matters. And every joyful interaction becomes another building block for language growth.

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#175: Incorporating Deep Interests to Transform Learning Activities

May 1900:18:11Summary ready

In this episode, we bring everything together and move into the how. After exploring what deep interests are and why forcing engagement backfires, we now look at how to actually incorporate a child's deep interests to support meaningful learning. If you've ever planned a thoughtful activity only to watch a child walk away, this conversation will help you shift how you approach teaching. Instead of trying to pull children into activities that don't feel meaningful to them, we explore how to bring learning into what they already love. This episode walks through practical ways to embed deep interests into everyday classroom and therapy activities without turning them into rewards or using them as leverage. When we make the interest part of the learning itself, engagement becomes more natural, regulation is supported, and skills begin to develop in a way that feels safe and connected In This Episode, You'll Learn • The difference between using interests as a reward vs embedding them into learning • How to take one deep interest and apply it across multiple skill areas • Ways to support matching, fine motor, language, and literacy using interests • Why meaningful materials increase engagement without increasing pressure • How to model language during play instead of relying on questions • The role of connection before introducing learning opportunities • How to start small without overhauling your entire classroom • Why structure and child-led learning can coexist • How to rethink centers and classroom setup through the lens of student interests • The importance of following a child's lead to build trust and participation Key Takeaways • Deep interests can become the learning activity, not a reward for completing it • The skill stays the same, the materials and approach shift • Engagement increases when learning feels meaningful and connected • Language develops through modeling inside play, not through pressure • One interest can support multiple developmental goals • Connection must come before instruction for learning to be effective • Small shifts in materials can create big changes in participation • Structure and predictability still matter within a child-led approach • Classrooms feel more supportive when interests are reflected in the environment • Learning becomes more sustainable when it is rooted in what a child loves When we stop separating learning from what a child enjoys, we create opportunities for skills to grow in ways that feel natural, engaging, and meaningful. Try This • Choose one child's deep interest and incorporate it in a familiar activity • Swap generic materials for items connected to what the child loves • Model language during play instead of asking questions • Join the child's activity without adding demands right away • Embed the interest into one routine, like centers or small group time • Observe how engagement changes when materials feel meaningful • Keep expectations simple and focus on connection first • Build from one small success instead of trying to change everything Often, the most impactful shift is not adding something new, but changing how we use what we already have. When learning is connected to a child's interests, engagement grows in a way that feels safe, supported, and lasting. Related Resources & Links Autism Little Learners Membership www.autismlittlelearners.com/pod Child Interest Survey 3 Strategies To Foster Engagement In Autistic Preschoolers Play Based Learning, Engagement and Deep Interests

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#174: What Echolalia Is Really Telling You: A Gestalt Language Processing Conversation with Nicole Casey, SLP (Encore)

May 1201:26:40Summary ready

In this encore episode, we're revisiting one of the most meaningful conversations from the early days of the podcast — a wide-ranging chat with speech-language pathologist Nicole Casey about gestalt language processing, echolalia, and what it really takes to support autistic communicators. What if the words a child is repeating aren't random? Gestalt language processing (GLP) is a natural way of acquiring language where children begin with whole strings of intonationally-defined language — often lifted from songs, shows, or meaningful moments — instead of starting with single words. These "gestalts" are not literal, but they carry deep meaning. And when we miss that meaning, we miss the child. Nicole walks us through what GLP is, how it differs from analytic language development, and how to recognize it even in non-speaking or minimally speaking children. We also get into something just as important: why connection, relationship, and presuming competence are the foundation that every strategy is built on. Without those, the techniques don't land. With them, even small shifts can transform a child's communication journey. This is a longer, story-rich episode — the kind of conversation where two SLPs who love this work just couldn't stop sharing examples. You'll hear about Toyota Tacomas, Downy Unstoppables, Peter the doll, "we all fall down," and a spin class playlist that included the Delta Airlines theme song. Every story carries a lesson worth holding onto. In This Episode, You'll Learn What gestalt language processing is and how it differs from analytic language development Why GLP is not a diagnosis, just another natural way of acquiring language How to identify gestalt language processors, including those who are non-speaking What echolalia, echopraxia, and "jargon" might really be telling us Why gestalts are non-literal and how to uncover what a child actually means How to use Nicole's free Gestalt Tracker to share insights across a team Why WH-question goals are often a poor fit for early-stage GLPs How presuming competence changes what we see, hear, and teach Why AAC systems weren't designed for GLPs and what that means for us How following a child's deep interests opens the door to language and connection Key Takeaways Echolalia is meaningful communication, not background noise Gestalts carry emotional and experiential context — they are not literal Identifying a GLP starts with tuning in, not testing Children feel safer and communicate more when they feel understood The way the lead adult treats an autistic child sets the tone for the entire classroom Relationship comes first; strategies work because of connection, not in spite of it Asking questions a child already knows the answer to is a real and valid form of connection Following the child's special interest is not a distraction — it's the path Progress isn't always measurable on a SMART goal; look for magic moments Presuming competence is the most important thing we can bring to every interaction Try This Listen for repeated phrases with the same intonation and write them down Ask the parent where a gestalt might have come from — they often know Present language from the child's perspective ("let's play" instead of "do you want to play") Replace "are you okay?" with the language the child actually needs ("that was scary") Use the child's favorite songs, shows, and interests inside your activities Share gestalts and their meanings across the whole team, including paras Record sessions (with permission) so you can catch what you missed Look for "magic moments" of connection as real data, not extra data When we slow down enough to believe that echolalia is meaningful, everything changes — for the child, for the team, and for us. Links: Nicole's Instagram (The Child Led SLP): https://www.instagram.com/thechildledslp/ Website: https://childled.org/ Other Links You May Be Interested In: Autism Little Learners on Instagram Autism Little Learners on Facebook You can also join my free Visual Supports Facebook Group to "hang out" with like-minded educators and parents who want to take action and implement visuals at home or at school. Be sure to subscribe to The Autism Little Learners Podcast so you don't miss future episodes. Plus, leave a rating & review on iTunes….this will help other educators and parents find this podcast!

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#183 Presuming Competence in the Preschool Classroom

#182 Emotional Intelligence in the Classroom with NYT Best Seller Alyssa Blask Campbell

#181: Every Non-Speaking Child Should Have Access To Robust AAC with AAC User, Jordyn Zimmerman

#180 Preschool Autism Summit: How it came to be & the movement we're building together

#179: The 4-Letter Shift That Changes How You See Behavior!

#178: What If Too Many Questions Are Quieting Your AAC Learners?

#177: Echolalia Is Communication (Not Something to Eliminate)

#176: Before Words: Why Symbolic Sounds Matter More Than You Think

#175: Incorporating Deep Interests to Transform Learning Activities

#174: What Echolalia Is Really Telling You: A Gestalt Language Processing Conversation with Nicole Casey, SLP (Encore)