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REPLAY: Silliness as a Sign of Dysregulation
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Hey, y'. All. So we'll get to the episode that you pressed. Play on in just a second. But I wanted to make sure that you know that the club will be opening for new members next Tuesday. The club is our virtual community of parents of kids with big baffling behaviors. And you can read all about it over@robngobel.com TheClub if you already get emails from me, you'll get a message next week reminding you that the club is open. Otherwise, set yourself a calendar reminder to go to robngobel.com the the club next Tuesday. All righty, let's get to that show you're waiting for. So when your kids behavior is baffling and yours is too, sometimes. Yeah, I know. Let's take a break from all the bamboozle. You're on the Baffling Behavior Show. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. Welcome, welcome back to this episode of the Baffling Behavior Show. I am your host, Robin Goble, and we are playing replays of previous episodes that I hand selected because I think they could be helpful during this chaotic holiday season here in the US Kids are starting to get back to school this week. We will be back next week on the 14th with a brand new episode. And y', all, I'm so, so, so excited. We have a guest interview all ready for you for Next Tuesday with Dr. Tina Payne Bryson. Yes, that Tina Payne Bryson, the co author of books like Whole Brain Child no Drama, Discipline and more. So that will be next Tuesday, January 14th. We are wrapping up this final week here of just holiday ease here at the Company with playing some more replays for you. And this replay is all about silliness as a sign of dysregulation. I see that kind of dysregulation amp up around things that are supposed to be fun, right? Like holidays and parties and that kind of stuff. I mean, certainly we can see the more kind of traditional dysregulation, more traditional watchdog and possum behavior. But we also see this amp up, I think so often in silliness. And it's confusing because there's a part of it that seems fun or playful or cute or appropriate for, you know, a holiday. But there's another part of it that just doesn't feel good, right? And that's, that's because it's coming from protection mode. It's silliness that's coming from protection mode. It is still dysregulation. So we're going to replay this episode that originally aired about a year ago that describes the Neuroscience underneath silliness as a sign of dysregulation. And also gives you a lot of very practical, very concrete ideas of how to navigate silliness as a sign of dysregulation. If you need more help, more support, what you can do next is go to robingoble.com the club. Put your name on the waiting list for the club, and we will let you know the moment the club opens. You can come on into the club and we will be able to wrap you up and give you even more support on how to navigate the dysregulation in your home. Alrighty, y', all, let's just get to it. Here's today's episode all about silliness as a sign of dysregulation. Today, let's talk about when silliness is a sign of dysregulation. This can be a confusing one because it can start off looking cute or fun or playful, and either it like shifts over into something that all of a sudden just isn't really fun anymore, or it kind of never really was fun from the very beginning. But you couldn't really put your finger on exactly what was wrong. Right. There wasn't physical aggression, There wasn't rude language. There wasn't a lot of the more kind of traditional fight watchdog behaviors. And then it can feel a little tricky to put our fingers on the fact that, like, oh, yeah, this is watchdog behavior too. This is protection mode. This is dysregulation. And silliness absolutely can emerge from a nervous system that's in protection mode. Remember, right, that the nervous system has these two sides, connection mode or protection mode. And when the nervous system is in connection mode and it's experiencing mostly cues of safety, playfulness can emerge from what we would maybe call a mixed state or a hybrid state. I picture it as like the owl and the watchdog playing together in safety and connection. Because if we break the metaphor a minute, remember, sympathetic activation isn't only fight or flight. Sympathetic activation simply means activation, mobilization, energy. It is when the neuroception shifts to danger. The sympathetic activation is going to shift into fight, flight, protective energy. And so let's go back to the metaphor. We can have the owl brain owl pathway bring safety and connection to the energy that the watchdog brings. And we can have the owl and the watchdog play together and be connected in safety and connection, but with some energy and activation, like play, for example. But the behavior of something that looks like playfulness or silliness absolutely can emerge from a nervous system that's in protection mode. And this is where we start to see this playfulness, silliness that is not, it's just not really feeling very good. It's not feeling very connected. You are feeling maybe a little bit reserved or a little reticent or maybe there's this feeling of like what, what's going on here? Like this should be fun, but it doesn't actually feel fun. So we might be seeing again like these behaviors of playfulness and silliness, but instead of coming from a nervous system and connection mode, they're coming from a nervous system in protection mode. So how do we tell the difference? I have found that the best way for me to tell the difference is by paying attention to how I feel and then getting curious about that. Because being with somebody who's in protection mode doesn't feel great. I don't typically want to lean into being with them. I don't necessarily want to like heighten those feelings of connection. There can be a sense of I don't really want to be here or I wish this would stop, or maybe even it can move all the way into like a disgust feeling. And I know most of us are pretty reluctant to admit that sometimes we feel like yucky or disgust towards other people, but especially our kids. But what I would love to encourage you to do is again to see that as information. Just like your kids behaviors is information, so are yours, right? And so when we feel kind of this like disgust, rejecting, get away kind of sensations, we can pause and get curious. Is my child in protection mode? It could be that they're not right? It could be that we're feeling especially sensitive or vulnerable and anybody attempting to connect with us in a playful way even is going to be met with our kind of defensive energy or get away energy because we're just not feeling it right. So certainly those kinds of feelings discuss, irritation, confusion certainly could be about our nervous system being in connection mode or I'm sorry, in protection mode and not theirs. But it's a great place to just get extra curious. If you're feeling kind of disgusted, irritated, confused by behavior that could be labeled silly or playful, this is a great moment to pause and say, is this about me? Am I just like not feeling open to playfulness right now? Or is this about the fact that my kid's behavior is actually sending mixed messages? Right. There's this playful quality kind of, but also it feels yucky. Maybe it feels kind of like frantic or right on the edge. Another thing to cue into actually could be the rhythm of the energy connection mode energy tends to have a rhythm to it, a fluidity to it. So even if it's high, high, high energy, there's still a rhythm or a fluidity to it. Whereas energy that's coming from protection mode doesn't have that same rhythmic fluid quality. It can feel like arrhythmic, it can feel kind of jerky or disjointed, it can feel irregular. Right. And so that's another great way to notice. Is this coming from protection mode or connection mode? My dear, dear friend, colleague and friend, Marty Smith offers us a lot about noticing the rhythms and the energy of our kids behaviors. Marty's an occupational therapist. She wrote the book the Connected Therapist, which is a fantastic book for parents that looks at the sensory system. And I'm not talking about this being for parents or kids with like sensory processing disorder. All of our kids have sensory systems, all of us have sensory systems. Right. And so learning how to be familiar with those and connected with those is really important and can really demystify some confusing behaviors. So if you haven't read Marty's book, the Connected Therapist, I highly, highly, highly recommend you do that. It also is actually offered as a bonus to folks in the club. So if you are in the club or if you're hoping to join the club, just know that that's a bonus that's available for all club members. And I highly recommend that as a resource. Okay, so let's get back to silliness as a sign of dysregulation. So gave you some things to kind of look for that can suggest to you. Hmm, this is not really playful, right. This silliness is really not silly. This is just information about dysregulation. I would call this if we're going to look at the watchdog pathway as having both flight and flight behavior. Right. Fight behavior is when we kind of use our arms and our legs to kind of go at the stressor. Right. Whereas flight behavior is where we would use our arms and our legs and our energy to get away from the stressor. And so silliness I tend to see as a flight behavior that is more energetically fleeing than actually physically fleeing. And so oftentimes this happens when physically fleeing maybe isn't possible. And the silliness can be this energetic flight, which could be from this external, you know, stressor something in the environment or relationship, but also could be from an inner stressor that sometimes kids as a way to avoid feeling hard feelings. Also adults do this too. This is a Great strategy I employ actually. Sometimes we will flight, right? We will flee from our own inner stressors, inner feelings of being uncomfortable. And that can emerge as the dysregulated silly pseudo playfulness. Now because silliness does have this kind of pseudo playful feeling, the very best way I have found to kind of be with this energy and to help it shift more into connection mode is through play and playfulness. Playfulness again is sympathetic activation. It's mobilized energy, but with safety and connection. So I have lots of thoughts and ideas I'm going to offer up to you in this episode. I'm going to direct you to places you can get more thoughts and ideas. And I also want to say, listen y', all, your mileage may vary on these kinds of ideas. Y' all are probably all familiar with that kind of space of playfulness going either way, right? Playfulness sometimes is can be well received and sometimes playfulness on our part as a way to bring connection and safety to our kids is not well received at all, right? It can one increase the dysregulation, right? And so this like I'm edge silliness like goes like totally over the edge, right into total out of control silliness. So that can happen. But also playfulness can be experienced by the dysregulated nervous system as maybe mocking, right? Like it's just perceived negatively because of the nervous system already neuro seeming danger and being in protection mode. So again, your mileage may vary. The thing about play and playfulness and kind of trying to lean into our kids dysregulation in this way is that it's all about experimenting. It's all about trying something and seeing, seeing what happens next and trusting that even if what happens next is it bad that you'll still find a way out of this, that you'll still eventually move through the dysregulation. So you kind of have to be brave enough to try and trust what you know about kid your kid. That some of the things I'm going to suggest you're going to know immediately like oh no, like that would totally dysregulate my kids. So for example, I talk a lot about balloons. Balloons were probably like the most utilized thing prop in my play therapy room. And for some kids even seeing a balloon like tipped them over the edge into like out of control maniacal dysregulation. So I would say probably like 90% of the kids I worked with, balloons were a super great way to help co organize and co regulate movement and energy. But for Some kids it was, it was absolutely the wrong choice and strategy. And y', all, I didn't know that till I tried it, right? We're not mind readers, so we kind of have to try things or we have to know what we know about our kids and trust that you know that about your kids. So if you have read raising kids with big baffling behaviors or you've been in a training of mine, or you're in the club and you've done these trainings in the library, you might remember that the first level of activation on the watchdog pathway that watch that. What's up Watchdog still has some connection to the owl brain. And so we might be able to get away with using some ways of offering connection and safety and co regulation that utilize the owl brain. So utilize words or language. So if you've got some, you know, low level dysregulated silliness, one thing you might try is to engage with your child, respond to them using words and language, but to do it in a silly playful way. And then you might even ask them to match you the way that you're responding to them. And so what are some examples of silly playful ways to still use language with our kids? Talking like a whale, right? Like thinking back to finding Nemo and talking whale like right? Or getting really quiet and talking in a whisper or talking short and really clipped like this. Just a real quick interruption. If you're loving the podcast, you should go right now to my website. Check out all my free resources. There's webinars, downloadable ebooks and a huge amount of infographic cheat sheets on so many different topics. 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Like anytime our kids are expecting one thing and instead, instead something outrageous happens that can be really helpful in kind of inviting their nervous system back into connection and safety and regulation. My guess is what's happening in the brain is this big like neurochemical dump because of the surprise and because of the unexpected and that invites in some regulation. I'm going to tell you all this is not my go to strategy because I'm bad at this. I, believe it or not, am not super creative in the moment and I'm not super inherently playful in the moment. I need like a word bank of sorts and then I can maybe kind of draw on them, but I'm not super creative in the moment. I do however, have a colleague who is really, really gifted at coming up with these unexpected ideas and I haven't asked her yet, but I'm going to ask her if she'll be a guest on the podcast and connect with y' all and offer up some of her kind of silly, unexpected ways that she has played around with that have at times brought some regulation to an otherwise very dysregulated situation. When I'm thinking about silliness as dysregulation, remember I said that dysregulation brings in a disruption to our body rhythms, right? So our movements tend to get less rhythmic, our breathing even gets less rhythmic. And one way then to help intensity and activation move into regulation and connection is to help what I would call co organize to bring rhythm and regulated movement to the arrhythmic or dysregulated movement. For here I really turn to Dr. Bruce Perry's work and his teachings on rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory experiences, which one help to strengthen and co organize and regulate these lowest parts of the brain. Think about teeny tiny babies whose still like we're really working on strengthening and regulating the very lowest parts of their brains, like their brainstem and their autonomic nervous system. We do lots of rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory experiences with babies. Rocking, bouncing, things like that, right? And so as our kids get older, we can still lean into the concepts of rhythmic, repetitive, relational somatosensory, which is fantastic because lots of play based activities and experiences are exactly that. Rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory. So what could that mean? Maybe you're a silly kid you could invite into a dance competition or you could invite into doing Some jumping jacks, and it could start silly and then move into being a little bit bit more rhythmic. This is where we could pick up a balloon, a blow a balloon. Because blowing balloons actually can be pretty regulated. As long as you're capable of blowing a balloon and you're not allergic to them. Blowing balloons requires a lot of strength. Right. And so for some kids, blowing balloons is really dysregulating because they can't do it, and that's super frustrating. But blowing up a balloon and having all that breath can be regulating. Playing balloons and getting involved in something that's rhythmic, repetitive, relational can be so helpful. I used to keep balloons seriously just at arm's reach, and I was just sort of lob them over to a kid. Balloons don't travel very hard or fast, so they're not going to hurt a child if the child doesn't, like, receive it. Right. And it's not going to hurt me for the most part, if a client, if a child, like, you know, whips it back in my face, like a ball could hurt. Right. So balloons always felt like mostly a safe thing to experiment with. And sometimes when I would toss a balloon to a child, they would kind of toss it to themselves, right. Like, they'd get in this kind of rhythmic game where they're just playing with the balloon themselves and it's becoming kind of rhythmic as they're using their hands to keep the balloon in the air. And then sometimes then that could turn into a more like, back and forth balloon game. So many things that kids like to do and play with or do outside have a rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory quality to it, like running, jumping, skipping, playing ball, doing pogo sticks. I mean, there's so many things that if you pause for a second look at them, you're like, oh, that's rhythmic, repetitive, relational, and somatosensory. Somatosensory just means a sensory system that is like the touch system, the proprioceptive system, the pressure as proprioception. I mean, it's a very oversimplified way of talking about proprioception. But the somatosensory is like the sensory system that is, you know, especially in your body, touch, pressure, those things. So back and forth games. And you can use other things for. I said balloons, balls, feathers, cotton balls, bubbles. And y', all, anytime you do something that tends to be an outside thing and you do it inside, for example, like bubbles, that surprise and delight can be really helpful bringing into regulation as well. Let me just give you a super Important pro tip. Never ever, ever, ever give bubbles to a dysregulated child. Hold the bubbles yourself, dip the wand yourself and or you know, use those like no spill bubble things, okay? But don't give bubbles to dysregulated kids. They're going to dump them out either on purpose or by accident and then people are going to feel upset by that gross motor movement. Like I said, running, jumping, animal walks, dancing, right? Think about the ways we move our bodies on the earth and they have a rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory quality to them. And if you have a kid who's not very energetic or gross motor inclined, you can still use movement like you like. Walking is rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory. If you're listening, as a club member, I want to highlight to you that there is a training in the video library that we actually don't talk about very much because it wasn't a masterclass, it was a training I did for an outside organization and they allowed me to have it and use it in the club. So sometimes I kind of even forget that it's there. There's an entire six hour training, y', all in the club library about regulating the body with movement based interventions. And I really think this is one of the best ways to co organize and regulate that like silly, playful. That's not silly or playful kind of energy. I also have this two page kind of infographic handout. Again, if you're listening and you're in the club, there's this two page infographic handout. It's like a play, I call it a play bank because again, y', all, I need ideas like I need like a word bank. So I have that as like a playful play bank. This way of being with our kids, this using movement to regulate dysregulation is a great time to practice matching the energy, but without the dysregulation. So I do have a podcast episode called that. It's episode 155 and it originally aired last October. And so you just have to scroll back a bit to get to the match the energy, not the dysregulation episode. And again, if you're listening, in the club, we have a full hour long training on match the energy. That idea, that concept of matching the energy and having some activation in our body without joining our children's dysregulation. That idea, that technique is the perfect idea for dysregulation. That comes out as silliness or pseudo playfulness and it is a much more effective way to invite in and offer up regulation, connection and felt safety than simply trying to get our kids to calm down. And I know when there's this kind of frenetic, frantic energy that our instinct is like, how do we get this energy under control? How do we get this energy down? How do we get them to quote, unquote, calm down? Like, that's my instinct and energy too. And I want you to think about approaching that energy as if your kind of spinning the jump rope for them and you're inviting them to take the energy that they have and simply move into a more rhythmic experience with that energy. So it's not the most perfect metaphor, but that really is what I think is I imagine myself like, you know, when we were kids and we would like to set the tone for the jumper, right? We, we would move, spin the jump rope. I don't, I don't know what the right word is. I don't know why I'm blanking on it, right? But we'd move the jump rope in a really rhythmic way and then our friends would try to jump into it and like join into the rhythm, right? And do it seamlessly. I think about that energy when I think about using this match the energy without the dysregulation approach and especially for the playful, out of control like dysregulation like that, that I want to match that energy. I want to help their. I'm not trying to change their energy. I'm trying to organize the rhythm of that energy and I'm trying to do it in a way where we're working together. So that's why that jump rope metaphor and an image in my brain sometimes helps. Now once these movements are rhythmic, right, it might actually feel good for y' all to stay energized and playful. And high energy, it's generally speaking not the high energy that feels bad. We think it's the high energy that feels bad, but it's not the high energy that feels bad. It's the dysregulation of the high energy that can feel bad. So sometimes parents find that once they get that energy a little more regulated, a little more organized, and it feels fine to stay playful and energized. And typically down regulation, moving towards calm will happen just naturally. You can also, once you're connected and co organized and co regulating with your child, you could offer some very deliberate, quote, unquote downregulating experiences, like taking a deep breath, for example, or engaging in some nice proprioception like giving self a hug or giving each other a hug, right? Sometimes we can be very intentional then about offering up downregulating experiences, but we want to do that only after we're connected to one another. Y'. All. Have you heard? The Baffling Behavior Training Institute is now accepting applications and enrolling for the 2026 cohorts of the Professional Immersion Program, which is our program that's formally known as being with. This year long highly experiential program will help you grow your capacity to connect, resonate and be with even the most dysregulated parents with the most dysregulated kids. Graduates become Registered Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors Course facilitators, which includes a 12 module parent course that you can offer to your clients and community and oodles and oodles of support resources to help your parent clients implement the science of regulation, connection and felt safety with their kids and families. If you go to robngoble.com immersion you'll be able to read all about the program details and add your name to the waiting list. In 2026, we're offering two cohorts, including a new cohort which meets in the evening time Eastern time zone. This means now professionals from Asia and Australia can more easily participate, as well as students in the US who've been unable to participate in a daytime cohort. You must be on the waiting list to apply, so head to robingobel.com immersion now. Now maybe you have a child who isn't likely to move into big gross motor kind of energy like they their natural proclivity isn't to move their bodies in really big ways. And we can still use these same ideas rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory, fun co organizing of the silliness and just do it with smaller movements. Right? Like crafting, baking. Right? That's rhythmic, repetitive, relational, somatosensory. Shaving cream in the bathtub, pulling out water beads, thumb wrestling. Right? Like we can take the same concepts but use smaller, less energy movement. Now my very final way I'm going to suggest as a way to bring some co organization and some regulating energy to silliness. Or that dysregulated fun that's not really fun by the way. I'm not suggesting we need to stop silliness. I'm talking about dysregulated silliness. I'm sorry if I'm not being clear enough in that silliness is a great way to practice regulated intensity. Okay? Silliness is a great way to practice it. So I'm not Trying to stop silliness, but it's that, like, silliness that doesn't feel quite so fun. Right. Is really what I'm talking about. But one of my favorite ways to connect with kids who have this extra energy that's moving towards tipping into dysregulation is by playing with Lycra. You know, Lycra, that stretchy kind of tight material that we make like Under Armour out of or leggings or bathing suits. Right. That there are so many super fun ways to bring in Lycra, generally speaking, because Lycra is pretty inherently regulating for most folks. Not for everyone, but for most folks, Lycra is inherently regulating. Most of us are drawn to Lycra play. Again, not all, but. But most. Like when I teach, I have a movement workshop that I used to teach. And when I would bring out the Lycra for the Lycra play, the whole energy in the room went. There was all this anticipatory. They couldn't wait to play with it. And my friend Marty that I mentioned at the very, very beginning of this episode is the. Literally. Okay, maybe not literally, but the Lycra queen. And she's kind of known for. Well, what Marty's known for is taking normal household things and using them to support our kids and our bodies. She is brilliant at that particular skill. And specifically with Lycra. So while I was outlining this episode, I was sitting on an airplane while I was outlining this episode, and I got to this part where I was like, oh, I'll talk about Lycra. And then I was like, wait a minute, Marty can talk about Lycra. So I texted Marty and I said, hey, would you come into the club and would you do a masterclass all about ways to use Lycra to support our kids? And so that's what we're going to do. We're going to do that in March. Marty also does have some free resources on her website, and I will put those in the show notes. And a couple of those are specific to Lycra. So if you're like, oh, I would love to learn about how to do Lycra. But you're also like, I'm not going to join the club. There's some free resources I'm going to direct you to. But if you want to dive in even further, get a lot of hands on support, be able to connect with Marty, ask her questions. Marty participates in the forum in the club as well. The club might be something you want to try out. The club is a monthly membership except experience. So it's. It's something that like recurs every month, but there's no there. There's no requirements on how long you stay in the club. So you can come for one month and, and leave. So Marty said, yes, we're gonna in the club in March, do an entire hour all about using Lycra to invite play and connection and regulation and connection to our bodies. That was one of the things that I, as a mental health therapist noticed that was such a positive use of Lycra. And then I think it's overlooked by a lot of mental health therapists is this way that mental wellness involves being connected safely to our bodies. And playing with Lycra was such a lovely way to experiment with that and play around with that. I did a aerial yoga hammock hung in my office when I was a play therapist. Body socks. I did. I mean, I just did so much with Lycra. So I have given you, I hope, a whole lot of ideas about one, how to kind of shift. How we see that, like kind of yucky silliness feeling, how we can see that as dysregulation, we can see that as watchdog energy, how we can kind of lean in to that energy and offer connection, co regulation, co organization. I've given you lots of resources and places you can go check stuff out, especially my friend Marty. And also that match the energy episode. I'll make all of that stuff free and accessible to everyone. Well, Marty's book is not free, but it's inexpensive. It's probably $10, I think. So I'll get all of that into the show notes. And if you want to dive even deeper into all of these ideas, you want some support around them, you want to be able to talk to others. And again, this is just a teeny tiny bit of what's available over in the club. Then we would absolutely love to invite you to come join us in the club. This such a special place of connection and co regulation for the adults. I mean, people come to get ideas about how to parent and we give lots of those. But they stay because they say there's no other place like this on the Internet. They stay because they say I can come here and be honest and be myself. And there's no judgment towards my kids. There's no judgments toward me. Yet we are all still holding each other to the standards of, of wanting to be in relationship with our kids. Through connection, co regulation and felt safety. So the club is a super magical place because of the members who come to the club and the care and love that they give to one another. So we'd love to have you if you want to come check it out. If you're hearing this episode between February 27th and March 5th, the club is 2024. The club is open. If you're hearing this episode at a different time, come check out robingobel.com the club and if we're not open, you can get yourself on the waiting list. This is a very fun episode for me to outline and deliver and you can probably tell I just smiled through the whole thing. I love using movement and being with our kids with this rhythmic, relational, somatosensory energy as a way to help support regulation. It's not a cure all, it's not going to always work, but it is something worth experimenting with. And I hope that just having a little more understanding will, you know, help encourage you to have the confidence to try some of these ideas with your kids. All right, y', all, it was wonderful to be with you again this week. As always, I will see you back here again next week for another episode of the Baffling Behavior Show. Bye bye y'. All. If you are loving the Baffling Behavior show and wondering where to go next where you can get more support, or maybe you're a professional and you want to bring this work to your clients, I've got three places you can go next. Number one, my USA Today best selling book, Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors. It's been over a year and a half and Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors continues to exceed our wildest dreams. It's breaking sales goals and getting feedback that it's changing people's lives. Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors is available in paperback, ebook and audiobook, which I read wherever you buy books online. Okay, so the second way to get more support is to come join us in the club. The club is an online community of connection, co regulation and yeah, a little education. It's for in the trenches parents where you will get support from me, from my team, and from in the trenches parents all over the world. We have over 500 members. You can come into the club, pick my brain, watch over a hundred different videos, Download well over 50 resources that have been uniquely developed just for families in the club to bring owls and watchdogs and possums into your family. And if you're a professional, a therapist, coach, teacher, educator, occupational therapist, daycare owner, anyone who supports the parents of kids with big baffling behaviors. You are going to want to hop on the waiting list for the 2026 cohorts of the Baffling Behavior Training Institute's year long professional Immersion Program. Formerly known as Being with the Professional Immersion Program immerses our students into an experiential program with the neuroscience of big baffling behaviors and the science of connection, safety and CO regulation. You'll grow your own capacity to hang out in the hardest places with families of kids with vulnerable nervous systems and finally feel the professional support you need to work with the families who keep being told by other professionals that they can't help them anymore. We're accepting applications for our 2026 cohorts, including the Afternoon cohort and and the evening Eastern Time cohort. Oh, that's new for 2026. So if you've been waiting for an evening Eastern time time for the Immersion program, which is morning in Asia and Australia, then you're going to want to make sure you're on the waiting list. Head to robingobel.com immersion to get your name on the waiting list and be invited to apply. And of course, keep coming back to the podcast. A new episode goes live every week and we're continuously creating more and more free resources for you over on my website, robingobel.com.