Daphne Guinness and the Anarchy of Creativity with Katya

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Daphne Guinness and the Anarchy of Creativity with Katya"

Podcast: The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya
Host: Katya (without Trixie this episode)
Guest: Daphne Guinness (artist, musician, style icon)
Date: December 23, 2025
Producer: Studio71 & Confetti Cannon

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Episode Overview

This vibrant episode features Katya in an in-depth and delightfully anarchic interview with the legendary Daphne Guinness. The pair dive into creativity without boundaries, fashion as art, the catharsis and chaos of making music—and the existential importance of glamor and style. Listeners are treated to firsthand stories of Daphne’s collaborations with Alexander McQueen, David LaChapelle, and contemporary designers, while also getting a glimpse into her process, passions, and her poignant mission to preserve fashion history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Daphne’s Entry into Fashion & Creative Process

• Daphne expresses that she never formally entered the “industry side” but moved through fashion almost incidentally—for the love of creativity and friendship.

“I’ve never really been on the industry side... I’m neutral. Like Switzerland.” (06:06)

• The conversation highlights the freedom of being unbound by brands, which has kept her approach authentic and personal.

2. Friendship with Isabella Blow & the McQueen Legacy

• Katya and Daphne discuss the influence of stylist Isabella Blow, her birthday, and her early support of McQueen’s career.
• Daphne reminisces about Isabella’s humor and bravery:

“She was one of those people that made you braver just by being around her.” (07:07)

• Daphne purchased Isabella’s wardrobe after her passing to prevent it from being auctioned, later mounting an exhibition and launching a foundation to support emerging designers.

“I did a show at FIT… just a prayer to the universe... McQueen had just died. It was a lot of pressure.” (44:59)

3. Music & Songwriting

• Daphne discusses her music career, writing her new album, and working with producer Tony Visconti.

“Songwriting, it just happens. They kind of write themselves in a funny way… It’s like a kind of puzzle.” (10:09)

• Katya gushes over Daphne’s track “Hip Neck Spine” and the inspired visuals in her music videos.
• Daphne explains her love for collaboration and how her composition style defies musical boundaries, often using complex chord changes and Eastern European scales.

“Evening in Spaces—I wrote that in one sitting, kind of like… 54 chord changes... it modulates every one and a half bars.” (14:04)

4. The Art of the Music Video

• Katya and Daphne share a love for cinematic, experimental music videos, especially those directed by David LaChapelle:

“He’s done seven... sometimes things feel like one long shoot.” (21:01, 23:28)

• Daphne prefers the creative process over product release, craving the ecstasy of collaboration but struggling with the post-show blues.

“I get… so into it. And then that’s like the post show Blues.” (22:05)

5. Signature Style, Couture & Comfort

• Daphne’s approach to style is intuitive and comfort-driven, sometimes “boringly” wearing the same thing daily like a uniform (27:40).
• She avoids colors like beige and brown and prefers strong tones, describing her ideal home décor as white-washed with bold accents, chrome, and duck egg blue (29:07).
• On her signature extreme fashion:

“When you’ve got other people on set helping... getting in and out of catsuits in lavatories... especially with chains... it is quite [heavy].” (27:12, 27:57)

6. Contemporary Designers & Fashion’s Evolution

• Current favorites: Hyder Raman, Daniel Roseberry (Schiaparelli), and especially Iris Van Herpen, a close friend known for her avant-garde designs and underwater runway shows (38:56, 41:30).
• On the sustainability crisis in fashion, she advocates “slow fashion” and laments the churn of trend-driven production.

“It’s too much too fast… fashion industry needs to chill.” (62:25)

7. Global Travels, Cultural Reflections, and Language

• Daphne discusses cities, global travel, and her love for Japan, Spain, France, and Italy, critiquing London’s “swampy” exhaustion and celebrating Mediterranean beauty.
• She wishes for fluency in Japanese (would give up her little finger for it!) and can speak French, understand Spanish, and get by in Italian, German, and Catalan (58:52, 59:11).

8. Art, Preservation, and Legacy

• A recurring theme is art’s importance in society—Daphne and Katya bemoan governments cutting art funding while investing in military might.

“A culture is defined by its art… not by its nuclear warheads.” (44:28)

• They stress the need to preserve fashion and culture for future generations, with Daphne’s efforts for the Isabella Blow collection and scholarships at Central Saint Martins (43:01).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On fashion’s impenetrable world:
  “It always seemed to me like an impenetrable world of, like, snobs.”
  — Katya (07:38)

• On song ideas:
  “Songwriting… it’s excavation or picking up on signals from beyond.”
  — Daphne Guinness (10:09)

• On personal style:
  “I have serious reactions to some tones of music, some color palettes…especially beige.”
  — Daphne Guinness (28:47)

• On art funding vs. military spending:
  “A culture is defined by its art. Not by its [nuclear] warheads.”
  — Daphne Guinness (44:28)

• On passion for sewing and crafts:
  “There is no greater satisfaction than actually constructing a garment and then wearing it… The cool thing is, you’ll never get perfect at it.”
  — Katya (61:29)

• On complexity and creativity:
  “Evening in Spaces… 54 chord changes... Your voice is like a violin… you can bend the voice through different cues.”
  — Daphne Guinness (14:04)

• On her favorite movie:
  “Probably either Sunset Boulevard… Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my fruit!”
  — Daphne Guinness & Katya (63:11)

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Notable Timestamps

• Daphne on Flying by the Seat of Her Pants: 04:10
• On Meeting Isabella Blow and Fashion’s Inner Circle: 06:45
• Discussing Songwriting & Studio Process: 10:09
• Music Video Stories with David LaChapelle: 21:01 & 23:28
• The Process of Dressing & Looks: 26:06
• Avoiding Beige/Brown & Color Philosophies: 28:04, 29:07
• Comments on Modern Fashion and Designers: 38:56, 41:30
• Reflection on the Economics & Business of Fashion: 43:01
• Discussion on Preserving Fashion Collections: 44:59
• Learning to Type (Hilarious Typing Club Tangent): 49:06
• Katya on Constructing and Wearing One’s Own Clothes: 61:29
• Rapid-Fire: Fluency, Favorite Movie, Least Favorite Movie: 58:40, 63:11

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Final Thoughts

Daphne’s warmth, intelligence, and creative anarchy mesh delightfully with Katya’s wit and genuine admiration, making this a must-listen for fashion and music lovers alike. The episode is both uproariously entertaining and surprisingly moving—a testament to the enduring power of artistry, beauty, and the necessity of creative rebellion in an age of homogeneity.

Be sure to check out Daphne Guinness’s latest single “Light,” available on all streaming platforms, and explore her evocative music videos on YouTube.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Jason Momoa on a bed of mashed potatoes. Nuts.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Well, it came in a package to my house, and each serving has 6 grams of protein. Plus, they're bold, flavorful, and just a little dangerous. You can get honey roasted, jalapeno lime chili roasted, or my favorite, which I tried this morning, dill pickle.

[B]

And as my great Aunt Olga used to say, wonderful pistachios bring the heat, the sweet, and everything in between.

[A]

Plus, they come with shells or no shells for your snacking pleasure. I'm a no shells person. I can't have anything get in the way of me eating. I've got lashes to glue on. I got wigs to fluff. But if you like cracking them, I want you to live your nutcracking truth, honey.

[B]

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[A]

I love them now.

[B]

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[A]

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[C]

Ah.

[B]

Okay. Welcome back to the Bald and the Beautiful. However, today is a rare exception. Neither of us are bald and both of us are beautiful. We have a legend in the house. Daphne Guinness. Thank you so fucking much for being here.

[C]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

I was gonna do this, like, really cheeky thing was like, get. Like, fasten your fucking seatbelts. Cause we've got a legend in the house. She's an elusive Chante. She's a fucking legend. But I was just.

[C]

That sounds really good.

[B]

Okay, great. Daphne fucking Guinness. Thank you for being here. This is. I have to say, I'm gonna try to, like, modulate my emotional temperature and not flip out. Because I was telling Mark. Yep. I was telling Mark about 10 years ago, maybe, me and a bunch of my friends were at a friend's house on the floor of his bedroom, and he's like, I have to show you this. And his giant tv, he put on heaven. And we all, like, collectively shat our pants. And it was. We were all like. It was like a rare moment where nobody pulled out their phone, nobody looked away, nobody had gone to the bathroom. You know what I mean? It was, like, such a difficult thing to have everybody's attention, like, laser focused. And then we just started watching all of them, and it was like. It was so surreal. So cool. And now you're here. It is so weird. So, thank you for being here.

[C]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

How are you doing?

[C]

I'm doing really well. It's so nice of you to have me, and I'm so happy you love to have me. Because I never know what I'm releasing into.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know, I mean, is it a trap? Yeah. No, but it's. It's also because of. There's never any plan.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, well, that. That is very relatable to me. I never have a plan.

[C]

Never have a plan.

[B]

No. No. But isn't that the best?

[C]

Flying by the seat of your pants?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, because if you plan, it's always going to go something anyways.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What is this? What is this? Cool ass.

[C]

This is. This is. I made a glove with my friend Shawn lean and Alexander McQueen. And this was. Yeah. And this was. This was one of the. The tryouts for the, The. The. The whole glove thing.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[C]

This I still wear. I've got a couple of them.

[B]

So, I mean, we're going to get into your, like, insane couture. I wouldn't even call it collection. What would you even call it? Like tsunami?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, not quite. Oh, God.

[B]

If you had to. If you had to throw out a number of looks, say like full looks, you know, that you could style a person in. How many would you have to guesstimate that?

[C]

I have no idea because I can do a lot of things with like, with changing access accessories or, or, you know, or switching things between things. But I. I don't know because actually a lot of my stuff just lives in storage because.

[B]

And is it. Is it like. Is it okay?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I think it's all right. I think it's okay. I mean, it's because I kind of float around. I'm not really. I don't really have a place, as it were.

[B]

Yeah. A citizen of the world or the universe.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, gosh. I dread going into my storage because the idea of the. Just like memories and.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, I have. I. I wanna. So I was obsessed with. I mean, I came into, like, looking at fashion kind of late and I. I think when I saw the Plato's Atlantis collection from a queen, that's when I was like, holy crap.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then what, like, what was the. What was the point at which you kind of like really got into the world of fashion? Like, so in the thick of it.

[C]

I. I guess I was in the thick of it, but I've never really. I know it sounds really, really strange things, but I've never been on the industry side or in the kind of way or really. I've never been employed in the fashion.

[B]

World, which is probably great.

[C]

It's probably right. So I'm kind of. I'm neutral. Like Switzerland. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I haven't. I'm not sort of bound by any brand or by any kind of whatever. I just go with what. How I feeling. And a lot of it is friends, really, that. But that I did find myself in the thick of it, probably. I mean, I was in the thick of it before I met as he. That's how, in a way, I kind of met her. Why sort of. I re. Met her in 1998, but I knew her as a teenager.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

She was a lot. She was quite a lot older than me and she's her birthday today.

[B]

Shut the up. So, happy birthday, Isabella. Blow. So for people at home who don't know that Isabella blows, like a legendary stylist and a champion of McQueen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It. Was she the one that bought his collection from school?

[A]

Is that correct?

[C]

Yes, that's correct.

[B]

Okay. And so, yeah, she was like a. I mean, how would you describe her?

[C]

Oh, my God, she was the funniest person. I mean, her laugh and just. She was one of those people that just made you sort of braver, but just by being around her.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[C]

I'm actually quite sort of shy and anxious and she's. She's much more sort of like gung ho about. And I. I sort of. I fell into that part of the kind of fashion world, but I'd always been sort of sort of in the background. I didn't really. I didn't really know how to be in the thick of it. I kind of just learned. I learned on the road, as they say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It seems like. I mean, it always seemed to me like an impenetrable world of, like, snobs.

[C]

Yeah, well, pretty much. I mean, that's a good way to sum it up. I mean, it's a world like any others. And what's great is it's like a kind of like a fair or something. So you do running. What's nice is you sort of develop friendships and lots of sort of relationships over the years. And even though I'm kind of. I. Unless it's a friend, I don't really go to fashion shows because it. I think it's sort of like. It's more for editors or it's more for kind of like, whatever. And sometimes, you know, I. I've started to go a tiny bit more only because people that I know have taken over houses or.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

Yeah. Who.

[B]

I just watched the Victoria Beckham documentary, and it was really fascinating to see, like, how long it took her to get taken seriously.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, she's really good.

[B]

She actually is. Right.

[C]

She's really, really.

[B]

But it was a really long time.

[C]

For her, and she's so talented. Yeah. Yep.

[B]

But they just want. I mean, I. I think it takes, like.

[C]

It takes you back 10 or 12 years to kind of break even or. I'm not even. I mean, it's not.

[B]

I think it took her longer.

[C]

Longer.

[B]

I think it was years or something crazy. And. And that's just like in. In the business side is one thing, but then, like, the, you know, the reputation and the.

[C]

Oh, she did it.

[B]

Yeah, she did. I Didn't. She's funny, too.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. I've. No, I don't.

[B]

I've never met. I've never met her, but she's. She's hysterical. But it was like. It was such an interesting, like, look at how. How kind of. Yeah. Like, it is tough to get taken seriously because you have to be an artist and you have to be a business person and then you also have to be like.

[A]

Cool.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've. I must say, I've. I kind of stopped. Really. I mean. No, I didn't even. I've. I. I must say, I live in such a different world and so in an intersection in my own mind of kind of other things, of Mythologies.

[B]

What is your. What is your favorite. What is your current obsession, if any you have, like, at this very moment.

[C]

In the indifferent or.

[B]

No. Anything.

[C]

Well, I'm my. Well, selfishly, but the album I'm writing.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, but it's kind of halfway in my head, you know, I mean, it's sort of. I'm plotting it out, as it were.

[B]

No, you mentioned outside that you. That songwriting is like. Yeah, you happen in a flash.

[C]

Yeah, it happens. It happens. I don't know. They just appear, I guess. It's your. It's. I say excavation or picking up on signals from beyond. Because I. I don't feel like. I feel. They kind of write themselves in a funny way.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

It come up with a tune and a. And a phrase and then it all sort of like just. It's like a kind of puzzle. It just comes together.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Somehow. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like sometimes some are more. Some are more resolved than others.

[B]

Have you. I was. I was bopping in the car, like, severely to hip neck, spine. I just got to tell these children at home if you are listening to this or you're watching this, and if you don't go to YouTube right now, I'm going to kill myself. No, you need to, like, put this on. On your phone and you don't need to watch this thing on YouTube. Skip that damn ad and then watch that. Goddamn it is like, I. What is so exciting to me is that because now I'm doing little lip sync wiggles again. I have an arsenal of your fucking music. No way that I'm going to make money off of.

[C]

Oh, great gosh.

[B]

I'm so glad because it's so difficult for me to find English language music that I actually like.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

But it's.

[C]

God, that's so Flattering. Thank you.

[B]

I mean, I'm not. I don't. There's no point in me blowing smoke up your ass. But, like, it is so good. It's like, ooh, ooh.

[C]

That I did in two takes, actually. And it was so funny because my producer was upstairs, Tony Visconti, and I just sort of. Because I knew I had a little bit more and I needed to change a couple of lines or So I was just there with the engineer, who was. I think he was really blushing in the thing because I thought, you know what. And then I thought I might get a laugh out of Tony, but you sort of, like, didn't even kind of notice. And I was like, whatever. But anyway, it was quite funny.

[B]

Do you have fun in the booth?

[C]

I do. It's kind of. But for me. Well, when you're, when the band is in the room, it's great. Sometimes it's the loneliest place to be. To be. You know, sort of tracking.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

With a whole band and then you go in and then you do the lyrics afterwards. I quite liked. I mean, and I probably perform. Perform better in the studio when the band is in the room.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, although I can, I can do it on my own. I mean, it's, you know, it's weird. But I think the thing is, sometimes I can put the band off because I think in harmony. So.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. This is the first line, and then I'll sort of jump into a sort of third harmony for the second. And if everybody thinks I've switched tracks, much, much better at keeping on the, kind of just lead vocal.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Not trying to skip around too much? Not doing octaves up, down or. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Do you perhaps have you ever been like. Have you ever released a song that you're like, maybe like a little, A little while later you're like, oh, I wish I did this. Or did you just let it go?

[C]

Pretty much. I mean, there was couple. There's one song on my first album that's in the wrong key, actually.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

Yeah. Sounds better in the original key that I wrote it in.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

And then I'll probably re record that in its original key. It's only half a step up, but it makes all the difference.

[B]

I mean, I dabble in, and I say dabble as a dilettante in music which I have no business singing. But I, But I love it.

[C]

Everybody's got business singing, to be honest.

[B]

You know, and with technology.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like. But anyways, I, I, but we're talking about like, where did these ideas come from? And I had like a. My flash of genius was black diarrhea. And if you think. If you just think about. Don't think about the subject matter, just the way that it's.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that sounds.

[B]

It's.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it. That's always. Do it. It's also. It's consonants, it's vowels.

[B]

Yeah, it's just the way.

[C]

The way it sounds. Exactly. So you need to have a hard. You know, you need sort of like you. Sometimes I'm always. Unless I've written it all in one go. Then sometimes that does happen. Evening in spaces. I wrote that in one sitting, kind of like. And it's 54 chord changes. I mean, poor guitar players that have to follow me on that one, you know. But it modulates every one and a half bars.

[B]

Jesus.

[C]

I mean, it always comes. Yeah. Nothing. Exactly. So, I mean, you know, rock music is sort of, at this point, sort of four chords. They say three chords in the truth, but this is like 54. It's easier for us. It's easier for a string section to do that because I'm. Your voice is like a violin, essentially. It's that sort of.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, the chords.

[C]

So, you know, you can bend the voice through. Through different cues, but if you're trying to do it on a piano or on. On a guitar, you're putting out chord charts. And it's like. I've been told many times, I'm very good at doing things between keys. So it's, you know, I don't know. It's normally a D minor or an E flat major, which is a relative. Whatever.

[B]

But anyway, I know exactly what you're talking about, by the way.

[C]

So. Yeah, so. And also I go into those kind of Arabicy things.

[B]

What does that mean?

[C]

Well, this sort of, you know, the Eastern European kind of scales.

[B]

What does that mean? I should know.

[C]

Oh, my God. Well, no, if you think about how do sort of. It's. I'd have to map it out for you. It's a good example. You know the song, the Beatles song called Girl, when it goes into a bazooki, it's difficult to. If. So Russian music, for example, has a different. It's got sort of like a. It's. It's just. It's a different. It's different note, but it's got different notation, but it's. You know, the octaves are sort of slightly more. Lost my words.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. I don't have the Music.

[C]

I can hear them in my head.

[B]

A lot of even, many, many even pops. There's a lot of like, it's a lot of folk influence. A lot of even like accordions, you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm obsessed with Russia.

[C]

I wish, I wish I was being more articulate today.

[B]

Are you kidding me? I. I have like, I have two eps. I don't even know. I know how to talk about notes, though.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

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[B]

I don't even know where to start with the music videos. I don't even know where to start.

[A]

I.

[B]

I guess we'll just start with.

[A]

Heaven.

[B]

And so when did your, when did your collaboration with David lachapelle? Because he's done many of your. How many of you?

[C]

He's done seven.

[B]

Jesus Christ. They're so like, they're so perfect. And I'm, I'm looking at the, the current pop stars in America and like my favorite pop stars in Russia and, and you know, going back to like whatever, 60s, 70s, 80s. Nobody's doing it like you. It's just so funny. It's so fierce. It's like the, we watched, I made the girls watch Heaven and Time and so do you enjoy doing music videos?

[C]

Yeah, I love, I do. I love doing music videos. But yeah, I mean I really enjoy doing music videos. They are sometimes they go on for days and days.

[B]

I was going to ask because a lot of, a lot of people I know who do, they love the product but it's always just a means to an end process you do.

[C]

I'm a process person. In fact I don't really like releasing things. I mean I'm doing it very quickly this time because actually the whole kind of talking up a thing or whatever, I go into a terrible grief process after doing it because I, I get.

[B]

So into it and that's like the post show Blues.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean I just like, I like.

[C]

I like making stuff up, seeing where it lands.

[B]

I mean it's, it is, it is apparent because like when you watch something like a time or even having, especially heaven. Every shot and every introduction of a new look and a new, like, tableau is so, like, divine. It's kind of impossible to think that you're not having the blast. You know, it's just so, like. It's so. There's, like an ecstasy in it, you know, it's really. And it would have. I was like, what if she says I fucking hate it?

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. But also, David's gonna like my brother.

[B]

So, I mean, what does he like?

[C]

Oh, he's so great. He's so funny.

[B]

He shot the. He shot, I think, the promo for Trixie. Season of All Stars. Yeah. And it was so. We had. I was very jealous because our season sucked. We had no promo. It was. It was shit. And then the next season, they have David fucking La Chapelle.

[C]

No way.

[B]

And it was. Trixie said it was, like, amazing, and it truly was amazing. But. Yeah.

[C]

He's so funny.

[A]

Is.

[B]

Yeah. How. How does that. What does it look like on a set? What's.

[A]

What's the.

[C]

Oh, my God. Chaos. Organized chaos.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Does it.

[C]

I mean, I've been. Gosh. I mean, we've. This sort of. Gosh. We've shot for days and weeks and. Yeah.

[A]

Months.

[C]

And sometimes. Sometimes things feel like one long shoot because. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, a lot of times, I.

[C]

Mean, he sort of asked. I mean, he essentially. I mean, he'll just. If he says jump, I just say haha or whatever. I just know it's going to be all right. And I thought, okay, well, you know, if something goes terribly wrong, at least I'll look good doing it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that's like, things to be.

[C]

Kind of, like, dead on a set, kind of, like, looking really sort of glamorous.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's. I'm thinking about, like. I'm thinking about the evolution of aesthetics and certain trends in. In pop culture and, like, how, you know, sometimes it go. There's like the pendulum swings, like, towards, like, a super, super advanced technology and then kind of retro. And. What is the video? You have that?

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's a vhs.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

What is that song?

[C]

That is. That was the beginning of Deviant Disco.

[B]

Okay. Cause that. I was like. I was like. I was looking through your catalog. I was like, I wonder if she's done, like, a VHS thing. And sure enough. And it's so. It's so fucking like. It has the contemporary, like, kind of knowledge of all. All different types of aesthetics, and it, like, treating that retro one like with such precision. It's so good.

[C]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

I'm sorry. I'm, like, licking your ass.

[C]

No, it's really nice to get feedback because I have no idea. Kind of creating a. In a kind of bubble.

[B]

How long? So you. Most of the music videos that these horrors do, like, they take. They do two days maybe, and sometimes they do overnight, which is nuts.

[C]

Right? I loved it. I used to love doing that. How long.

[B]

What's the longest shoot you've been on?

[C]

Four days without sleep. Yeah. That was Evening in Space. That was really fun.

[B]

God, that is. We watched that at my friend Franz's house. And what's your favorite?

[C]

If you have all that. I. I love them all for different reasons. If you have hypnox, mine took three days.

[B]

Three days, okay.

[C]

But that's not. It's nice to have some time. And also, I think you hit a kind of sweet spot on the second day, going into the third.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, the first day is always a bit. Everybody sort of likes getting themselves together.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, it's really nice to be able to have three days shoot.

[B]

But do you work with different crews or.

[C]

I know I'm. I've watched. It's lots of people from. Especially on the David sets I've worked again and again with. Because. Just because, you know, they're his crew.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then also, obviously with Nick Knight.

[B]

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. He's the show studio.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I want it getting into these looks, getting in and out of these.

[C]

Looks pretty simple, actually. Hair and makeup, come on. I mean, the clothes, I'm really fast.

[B]

Really?

[C]

I can Change them about 2 seconds. As long as the hair and makeup's done, I'm. I'm. I'm good.

[B]

Damn. I'm, like, struggling. I have. I. I'm. I'm at the back trying to pull up the zipper that I sewed on myself.

[C]

And it's just really annoying when you have to sort of, like, do that. Yeah, that's what's nice. Having someone when you've got other people on set helping.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To do that.

[B]

Have you ever gone home in a gown that you had to, like, cut yourself out of? Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Stuff that's, you know, ripped on me and fallen off and whatever.

[B]

It's tragic.

[C]

Tragic. That's why the one thing, you know, things just go.

[B]

Yeah, the yoga. Yoga is good for that. It's the. The this. Yeah, exactly that and then this. That's the only thing that yoga's good for.

[C]

Yeah. My God, it's so good.

[B]

Yeah. What is?

[C]

Oh, my God. Trying to get in and out of catsuits in lavatories, sort of. Oh, my God. Especially when you're loaded up with chains. And how on earth am I going to.

[B]

Yeah, a lot of that shit looks really heavy.

[C]

It is quite.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And you.

[B]

And these are like your signature shoes. I want to talk about having a signature look in. In a. In a world where. Oh, this is part of my intro. In a world of imitators. She's never replicated something like that. You know what I mean? How do you, like, how do you choose and stick with a signature look?

[C]

Kind of what I'm feeling comfortable in.

[B]

It's just whatever.

[C]

Yeah, it's just whatever. And actually, I kind of get really boring. I start wearing the same thing day every. Every. Every single day.

[B]

But like a uniform.

[C]

Yeah, like a uniform.

[B]

I love.

[C]

Especially when you're. When you're. When you're recording or something. It. Don't want to have to spend too much time.

[B]

What's one thing that you would never wear, even with a gun to your head? I have something beige, like Juicy Couture beige sweatpants.

[C]

Or anything kind of brown. I'm not really good with brown. It has to be a very, very sort of. It has to be a very crisp burnt umber, you know, combined with a Prussian blue. You know what I mean? Not good on this sort of autumnal.

[B]

Oh, you're not a pumpkin spice latte girl.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

I was thinking to myself, like, the irony if she showed up today in, like, Keds, a pair of, like, trousers and like a hoodie.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So fucking funny.

[C]

Oh, my God. My God. Actually, yeah, it's funny. Someone was trying to. Thought they might make a sort of funny video, and I was like, no, no, I just couldn't. I just would have. I would have a serious reaction.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Literally, like, hives.

[C]

I have serious reactions to sort of like some tones of music, some. Some color palettes, but like.

[B]

Okay, so beige.

[C]

Beige. Well, I mean, yeah, yeah.

[B]

What about in terms of, like, decor in the home? In. In your surroundings? Like, do you like bold colors? Do you like stark black and white.

[C]

And red and a lot of shiny surfaces? Chrome.

[B]

Yeah, and white and red. Yeah, yeah, I.

[C]

And chrome and. And I. I like duck egg blue and silvery, you know, Swedish 18th century kind of yellows.

[B]

Oh, hell yeah. I just painted. I live in this. A hellhole, but I. I have having to paint these rooms and. And I'm like looking around every. Every apartment or Every house that is trying to get sold in America is gray, beige, soft beige, light gray, light eggshell, soft eggshell, gray. It's like. And it's, it's like. And all the furniture is that color too. And it's either all white. I'm like, I quite like all white. You do?

[C]

Yeah. I admit I like. What I like using it. Well, not if I wish I had a, A really big place to, to do. But whitewash.

[B]

Whitewash.

[C]

Because then you can add other colors to it.

[B]

Oh, sure.

[C]

But also it looks really good. You know, white washes, like lime wash.

[B]

What does that mean?

[C]

You know, like in, in Mediterranean when you see the houses.

[B]

I like using that Mediterranean. Oh, yeah, that's.

[C]

If you use that on the inside, you can.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. It just gives it a. The walls are kind of. I don't know, it just looks so good.

[B]

I did what I, I, we painted the walls because they were fucking totally rotted. Like a semi gloss white. And that was cunt. But each room is either like goldenrod, like yellow. So fucking bright. And it's like, I couldn't believe how.

[C]

It changes your mood. Yeah.

[B]

Like, instantly. Like, it's like fucking Prozac. It's actually way stronger than Prozac. It's like, it's like energizing and super. It has a really like, strong effect. And then I did absolute, like scar, like this color red matte in my studio in the ceilings and everything. And it's like so cool. It's very aggressive, but it's also, it's like motivating.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And a little confrontational, but it, but it's nice. And then I did blue. Like, like I just went super, super bold in every room. And I'm so glad I did it. But I'm never going to be able to sell this place.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

Because nobody's going to want to live there.

[C]

Yeah. But people repaint. I mean.

[B]

Yeah. What's the, what's your least favorite color? If you have one Such a stupid question. Sorry.

[A]

What's your favorite color?

[C]

I suppose I love green for plants, but I don't wear green.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I don't know. But I love, I mean, I just, it depends. I sort of think in, in sets of watercolors in a funny way. So it's not, I, I mean, it's not about, it's about. I think it's about tones of colors.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

So, you know, like, red can be horrible.

[B]

It can be in a.

[C]

Or I think what's my least favorite color? Synthetic color.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I like old colors.

[B]

Old colors. When I did, when I was at art school, I would steal from my. The art store that I worked at, the really, really expensive oil paints, you know, because they have the, those like such a different quality.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like you get these shitty $2 acrylic tubes or these like $80 sennelier, like oil tubing. Like, holy fuck.

[C]

It's such a difference.

[B]

It's like black and white.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's wild.

[C]

This I think is the problem. There's not, not very much nuance with colors anymore.

[B]

No.

[C]

We're living in a very unnuous world, which is kind of unmysterious to me.

[B]

Yes. I think people are really, they're. They. It seems like because people have access to everything now sort of visually via like Pinterest. And you know, you can. If you want to know what Kris Jenner's bedroom looks like, we can look at it right now.

[C]

No way.

[B]

You know, I mean like online, you know, I mean, wow. Kris Jenner's bedroom. And they were. I'm sure we'll get it.

[C]

So like, that's so funny.

[B]

And you're like, you're so like. There's a lot of like dog piling on trends and they all seem to just kind of get watered down and it's like, it's kind of shitty.

[C]

It's kind of depressing. It'll come back.

[B]

I don't know. I think we're all going to hell.

[C]

Oh my God.

[B]

We'll keep it like.

[A]

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[C]

Oh, I don't know.

[B]

I can't believe you've never been to Manchester.

[C]

I'VE never been to Manchester. I haven't really. It's funny, my travels have been sort of paraphrase, but in a very strange way. I don't know. I don't have a least favorite city. Maybe London.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

[C]

Yeah. London, I don't like tough. And also it's built on clay so you feel really kind of exhausted all the time. It's basically a swamp.

[B]

Yeah, it's swampy.

[C]

It's swampy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And also for me it's got bad memories, you know.

[B]

Yeah, I had me too.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's. I've stayed. I've been to London more times than I care to go.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No offense to all British fans.

[C]

I mean, I feel so happy when I, you know, cross the channel and go get to Paris. It improves my mood no end.

[B]

Yeah. I mean I.

[C]

But London is just full of ghosts.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

For me.

[B]

Yeah. For me it's just full of bad breakfast.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. Oh my God.

[B]

What do you eat for breakfast?

[C]

I have depends. Sometimes I have porridge.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Sometimes I kind of start eating kind of at about midday.

[B]

Okay. I do ever have steel cut oatmeal. Do you ever have steel cut oatmeal?

[C]

Yeah. I love that.

[B]

It's the best.

[C]

It's the best.

[B]

Yeah. What about what's up with the black pudding in the. That is never eaten that. It's diabolical.

[C]

Yeah, no, no, no, no.

[B]

It's diabolical. When I think of when I grew.

[C]

Up in Ingaba and I still love it. I liked canned food because there's no way that I was going to eat anything that looked like it was like black pudding or something disgusting.

[B]

It's like I feel like it's the diet of an evil sailor.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I prefer to have baked beans on toast. But quite honest.

[B]

What's your favorite cuisine? If you had to like say you had to just eat only one cuisine for the rest of your life.

[C]

Japanese.

[B]

Ah. What's the go to order? Kind of sushi, obviously.

[C]

Yes. Sort of like salmon sashimi and some, some sort of like udon noodles.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah. We just went to Hawaii and they had the. There's an. There was a udon place across the street that. There was a line down the block. Like at all hours of the day was so chaotic in there. Is amazing.

[C]

Oh my God.

[B]

It was really good. Current designers who are doing or working now. Who, who are you? Who are you vibing with?

[C]

Hyder Raman.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

He's wonderful.

[B]

And it's he's at Tom Forner. Okay.

[C]

How.

[B]

These. So they. God, these. They bop around. It's wild. The. I. Is it. Was it Schiaparelli? It was a den.

[C]

Daniel Rosebery. Who. That looks pretty cool, actually.

[B]

I think that shit is amazing.

[C]

Yeah, me too. I haven't. I haven't seen it up close for a while.

[B]

I mean, I've never been to a fashion show. I've.

[C]

I imagine we have to go to.

[B]

One, but you have to cradle me like a baby because I. They seem so stressful and so, like, frantic and also, like, where are you sitting? And. Oh, God, I might. I have nightmares and stress dreams about getting invited and, like, going to the front row and somebody in my seat and then I just have to leave.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always feel like I probably don't belong there.

[B]

I don't think anybody does. What has been your favorite show that you've intended?

[C]

Well, you know, the thing above all the McQueen shows, they're all just brilliant.

[B]

Like what?

[C]

The.

[B]

The. The.

[C]

They're all just.

[B]

You know, the collection where I forget it was the. With the big glass enclosure.

[C]

Oh, my God, that was so much fun.

[B]

But it's like a Robert Wilson theatrical.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not just like a. We're walking down the Runway and we're showing all the garments.

[C]

There's always a. There's always this. Always a twist.

[B]

Yeah. The, like, the intense theatricality is like. I. I miss that so much about. Because I don't know if I see.

[C]

I mean, John is still doing that Galliano. Yeah. I think he's wonderful.

[B]

Oh, my God. The Dior, when he was. What was. I don't know is that was early 90s and maybe.

[C]

Beyond.

[B]

Like, you're like. This is when they're. It was the. The set was like almost like a Japanese.

[C]

Yes. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Garden kind of thing with like. Like all these different levels. And I thought. I was thinking this is like the full. This is like the human brain operating at full tilt. Creativity.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it's so colorful. So outrageous.

[C]

Beyond, beyond brilliant.

[B]

So cool. So cool. I also, I love. Who the Is it? Oh, my God. It's.

[C]

Not Logger Feld.

[B]

No, no. I was going to ask you about Logger Feld later. Oh, my God. Who is killing me? Oh, Iris Van Herpen.

[C]

Oh, he. She's so nice.

[B]

Is.

[C]

She's one of my great friends.

[B]

She. What is she like?

[C]

Oh, really, really lovely.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Oh, that's good.

[C]

And her boyfriend, Salvador, we've spent a lot of time Together. Because I knew her before. She was really kind of became.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Like, so. Yeah, we kind of met up. I can't remember. Probably 2007 or something. Yeah, she's. She's amazing. I mean, it's very, very humble and really. But she just loves what she does, you know?

[B]

Oh, thank God. It is. I mean, the. It's, like, so cool. Like, you know, talking about, like, originals. It's. It's so cool to, like, when you see something, it's like. I've never seen that before.

[C]

Yeah. You know, she did a whole collection underwater, which was really cool. With musical instruments, which. That was. That was quite. You should look it up.

[B]

Oh, damn. I haven't seen that.

[C]

Oh, my God. That was. That was something else.

[B]

Yeah, I.

[C]

People playing instruments underwater in the clothes.

[B]

Shut the Up.

[C]

Really, really cool.

[B]

I mean, those things. Those fashion shows must have cost a fortune.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I mean, that's.

[C]

That's. That's a problem for so many designers. I mean, so I do scholarships at Central St. Martin's for the last 15 years and trying to kind of. You know, when you're seeing all this kind of raw talent and like, how is it going to translate into whatever. Because it does cost money. And to have a. To be in that world, I mean, you do have to, I think, have a bit of a business brain. Definitely more than me, that's for sure.

[B]

I know that's. I mean, a lot of times, like in the Victoria Beckham was talking about, she was like. She didn't have that business brain. She'd go to business school, and she's, like, going through the budget, and she's like, $85,000 a year on plants in the office.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

It's like, okay, it's insane, but, like. But it does. It must be. I mean, it's like in a capitalist consumer kind of world where, like, the dollar is the king. I mean, creativity suffers. It must.

[C]

It's like it doesn't, you know, not enough. So not enough art. Art is kind of. I don't know. Governments don't seem to get behind art programs.

[B]

I can't imagine anybody cutting funds to the art.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Can't imagine that being the first thing to go when they were.

[C]

And it's so crazy. And then people.

[B]

But we need more.

[C]

We need more of it.

[B]

We need more. Satan. Two nuclear warheads.

[C]

I know. Exactly.

[B]

Do you realize.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

That there are about. I could be wrong about the numbers, but there are maybe four or five submarines in the US arsenal underwater somewhere around the world that contain 20 to 40 nuclear warheads that could be launched from underwater and could reach anywhere on Earth.

[C]

So crazy.

[B]

And each of them costs about $10 million.

[C]

That's so crazy.

[B]

But we can't go to like. We. I can't go to fashion school.

[C]

No, exactly. Exactly. It's fucking nuts. It is nuts.

[B]

It's. It is like. It is so twisted.

[C]

And a culture is defined by its art. I mean, you know. Yeah.

[B]

Not by its seat and two warheads.

[C]

No, exactly. You can't even see them. If you want to leave any of these behind. I mean, so, like, what future archaeologists have digging up this period.

[B]

I wonder what they're gonna think we'll see there. But if they get to you, then. Then we're. We're in good. We're in good luck. Because it's like. Do you. I mean, in terms of, like, the preservation in the. You know, because you. Isabella Blow had quite a collection of stuff and then when she passed away, you.

[C]

I bought it because they. His sisters were unable to. What was so sort of tragic about the whole thing was that she. One of her sort of paranoias was she was going broke or all the time, and. And she. When she died, her estate had, you know, you know, death duties.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And her sisters at that time, and they were going to sell it at Christie's. Oh, yeah. And I just thought.

[B]

Ah, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[C]

Also, I just thought it was just so ghoulish, the whole idea of her sort of effects. And I just. I just felt that it was. It was kind of what. Just terrible. So I kind of. I stepped in. I sort of convinced her sister to sell to me. I did the. The. The death duties, whatever. And then I was like, what do I do with all of this stuff? Because I couldn't wear it. You know what I mean? She was like, going, well, you should. You'll be able to wear this stuff. I mean, I can kind of put them on now, but. But still, if. Feel like Isabella's clothes, for sure. So I did. I was. Did. I did a show at FIT, I think was in 2010 or 11. Yeah, I think so. I can't remember. And I remember just before that show open because, like, everything I do that took two years to sort of put together with lovely Valerie Steele, just. I was standing in this kind of. In the sort of fully kind of the. Just before they cut, they were pulling up the plastic and I just did a kind of prayer to the universe, I thought. I mean, you know, first of all, I Was terrified about anybody seeing this. This thing for the. You know, it was a lot. It's a lot of pressure. McQueen had just died. It was. You know, he just had been the big savage beauty show up at the Met, which is. We had to kind of manage that at the same time.

[B]

So. Yeah. How did. I mean, it was really.

[C]

It was. So I kind of made. Did this prior and I thought if this works out, then the. Some somehow get the funds together. So I sold like 100 pieces of my collection in order to raise funds to create a foundation to be able to put on her. Her. Her show at Somerset House.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

But it took me walking into Louise Wilson's office at Central St. Martin's and, you know, with this crazy idea, and we became very good friends. I mean, Louise was. Was quite. Quite a force of nature, shall we say. And I wouldn't be her, you know, initial go to person. I didn't know. I was like a. Just cold call. Hello? And what. What do you think? But she was so supportive and so nice. And there's sort of the. The foundation start was kind of born out of that because I. Well, I've been trying. What I was trying to. What I'm trying to do. I know it probably doesn't even make a difference, but I'm trying to solve the karmic kind of jigsaw puzzle of trying to kind of create something where all this loss happened.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, it doesn't. It makes sense, but it's been. It's been a huge kind of. It's been a massive undertaking. And I would have done more, but I mean, frankly, you know, these things cost a lot of money. I have no idea how to get sponsorship. I have no idea how to do very much apart from write a song.

[B]

I don't know how to get my mail.

[C]

I know. I don't even know how to type.

[B]

You have no idea how.

[A]

What is it?

[B]

How seen. I feel right now.

[C]

Oh, good.

[B]

I don't know how to type.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I've written a book.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Two of them, actually. And I am a hunt and pecker.

[C]

Me too. Me too. I write in longhand.

[B]

Me too. If you want. You want cursive on parchment?

[A]

Come.

[B]

Yeah. I can do Russian script beautifully on a. Nobody wants that.

[C]

No. And nobody is sort of manuscripts in sort of the Middle Ages.

[B]

Yeah. I wish I would be much more comfortable with like a. One of those Italian glass blown up.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[B]

So. But I'm. I'm. No, just if you're ever bored, which I Doubt you are. There's the thing called Typing club. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God. No, Once I tried with one of those. What's that? What was it?

[B]

It's extremely humbling. I bet it's very humbling at 43 years old.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I feel like a child.

[C]

But I already assume. I don't know anything else.

[B]

I mean, but it's like, I, I now I. I look a little bit better now, though. No, I've been practicing about an average of 25 minutes a day, sometimes two hours. Sometimes I miss a whole week. But, like, I.

[C]

No, it's called Typing club.

[B]

Typing Club. And it's free. I'm gonna have a look, and it's fabulous. You literally go through. You know, you get the placement, and then the goal is you never look at the keyboard.

[C]

That's what I love to do.

[B]

It's hard on a. On a laptop with very shallow keys. So if you get one of those. If you get a keyboard that has a clack, clack, clack, you know, those like. Like a typewriter kind of. Yeah, that's preferable. But it's so. It's so difficult. And so now I just avoid the computer. If I can or do, like, voice.

[C]

To text, my children laugh at me because I can't type.

[B]

I mean, I could type a novel with my thumbs in about two seconds.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Because of this. But, like, anyways.

[C]

That's so good.

[B]

Yeah, I. The savage beauty. I was able to see that at Cement. It was kind of a. It was very surreal because even though I've loved fashion, I've loved art. I went to art school. I've loved drag and everything. Seeing the, The. The garments, like, there physically was, like, kind of cemented the notion that had been a little bit frivolous, that, that fashion was art, you know, that. I mean, these are, like, just livable, wearable pieces of art.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And it was so, like, it was so much moving. It was so dramatic. It was so good.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm just thinking, like, what a tragedy to lose these things. And also, like, not to get too, like, you know, heavy, but, like, you know, when conflicts and wars happen and they're bombing, like, historical sites, and then they're gone finally forever.

[C]

It's so crazy.

[B]

It's so up.

[C]

What. What's been built in its place as well.

[B]

Oh, God, Yeah.

[C]

Don't get me going.

[B]

1960S, 1970s architecture in Los Angeles. Not exactly the golden age.

[C]

Exactly. Oh, I love the twenties.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

That's it. If you. If you can get an apartment that was built in the 20s in LA, it's. I lived in the ugliest building that was ever made around 1972. And across the street, it can't be quite nice.

[C]

That sort of. I like quite like the Federal Building look. That sort of. That maybe. Yes.

[B]

It's brutal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This isn't brutalist. This is like ugliest.

[C]

Right. Okay, okay.

[B]

It's just like they literally every. Every. At every turn, at every choice of material and design, they said, not ugly enough, and it's also not cheap enough, so.

[C]

Right, right, right, right.

[B]

But across the street was the Villa d', Este, which was a Spanish Revival villa with a pond in the front. And it was like.

[C]

You look at it.

[B]

Got to look at it. And then when I went psycho, I actually fell in the pond. It was great, but it was just so. It was such a great. If you ever go to Laurel Avenue, in. In West Hollywood, right across the street, it's like night and day. It's so interesting.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I mean, that's the one thing about London. London or Europe or anywhere.

[C]

They're pulling everything down in London.

[B]

Are they really?

[C]

Yeah. All these property developers, they just redevelop stuff and no one seems to say anything. Yeah, I guess whole blocks of things just go missing.

[B]

But like, you go to Ghent, If.

[C]

I try to get. If I try to get any planning permission, it's always a no.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. I don't know why. Can't get anything done.

[B]

Red tape.

[C]

Yeah, red tape.

[B]

But I. If you go to A Ghent, Belgium, McDonald's, it's in the most ornate rococo, like.

[C]

Oh, my God. You know, like.

[B]

Or Gothic art, you know, Cathedral.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's so wild. It's like we are really starved for. For visual beauty in Los Angeles, unfortunately.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

In terms of American cities, do you prefer New York?

[C]

I like both, but I prefer LA in a way because of the. Because the weather. Even though it's been raining a bit this week.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I like being eight hours kind of far away from Europe. So.

[B]

Yeah. It's like.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Actually prefer to be in Japan. That's really far away.

[B]

I've never been there. I'm dying.

[C]

Right. So great. I'm really dying to go back.

[B]

Is it true that you can just sleep on the ground and nobody will rob you? That is incredible.

[C]

Yeah. There are only 30,000 guns in the whole. There are only a few thousand guns in the whole of Japan.

[B]

You know, you'd think that other civilis, other societies like Americans would take a look at that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And be like, huh, they seem to have something going on there. All their children don't get.

[C]

You know, it's also an island, so it's more.

[B]

We kind of.

[C]

Yeah, that's true. We're just a huge island.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, we got, you know, steel spiked fences on each side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Japan. What about European countries to visit?

[C]

What, France, Spain. I grew up a lot in Spain. Greece, up in. Up in the north in place called Calacas.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Which is sort of just about. But you can see France from the mountain I grew up on.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

But it's really. It's really beautiful. It's. I mean, the Mediterranean side.

[B]

Like, if for a lot of Americans don't have a passport, a lot of American people don't have the opportunity to travel. I'm very grateful. Because of work, we get to go places. But it is. That is truly heartbreaking if not being able to just step foot in some of these other places.

[C]

Yeah. Italy is so beautiful. And I haven't been nearly enough to Italy.

[B]

We went to the Amalfi coast.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We went into the postcards.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, we were like, the postcards. We were there.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Through the. That thing on the blue.

[C]

I've never been.

[B]

It is.

[C]

I mean, I've seen it from afar.

[B]

But when I. I got it, I got there very late at night. In the morning when I woke up from my balcony, I was like. It took me like five minutes to realize it wasn't a sound stage or like a. Like, it was real. Yeah, it was. I was like, holy. It was the most beautiful place I've ever seen in my life. It was incredible.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You gotta go. It's very touristy.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

But it's. It's so beautiful. It's like, ugh. What about. Have you been in Russia?

[C]

I've been twice to St. Petersburg. Yeah. Once in 91.

[B]

Oh, God. It's a turbulent time.

[C]

And then maybe three times. But it was beautiful.

[B]

Did you like it?

[C]

Yeah, I did. I've never been to Moscow.

[B]

Yeah, I'm dying to go. I just wait for, you know, who to get, you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, and I've been. I've been to some ex Soviet states like Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan and. But that was in the early 2000s too.

[B]

Oh. But that's not. There's a musical genre that I'm kind of flirting with. Now is. I think it's in listening to this band who sings in Bashkir and it's throat singing.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Mongolian throat singing.

[B]

Yeah, that. And there's also Central Asian version.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, I was like this. I'll share with you later. It's amazing to me, it is the sexiest thing I have ever heard in my life. And it's. This is going to sound like, bad, but the way that this guy's voice and the. There's the vibration and the. The. The tone is like so hot.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

My God, I gotta find a throat singer husband.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

It's so cool.

[C]

That's so cool.

[B]

Yeah, it's so cool.

[C]

There are so many amazing, sort of. There are so many amazing things in the world.

[B]

Yeah. I just. I gotta. Central Asia, it is a whole. I mean, I watch. Every day, I watch a documentary about, you know, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan or whatever, and it's like, oh, gosh, it's amazing.

[C]

And you never didn't realize until you were sort of like in the middle of nowhere on a horse how far everything is from everywhere else.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's just literally another planet.

[C]

Yeah, it really is. And when you're in the high kind.

[B]

Of mountains and all these languages that sometimes have no relationship to any other, they're like language family, like, they trace them back and there's no relation to any other language. It's so fascinating.

[C]

So fascinating. And also, what's so funny in that, in some of those places when I was there, you'd have kind of, you know, you'd see up in the high mountains of collective farms that had been kind of abandoned, but also statues of Lenin and. And then in the. Yeah, really? And then you'd sort of see people that had obviously been brought from kind of Eastern Europe or kind of near Finland. And they were sort of look very out of place, these tall, sort of blonde people kind of within the population. It's really, I guess, you know, this. They. They placed people all over.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Such a big country. It's got. It's got. I think it's got nine time zones.

[B]

At one point, Soviet Union had 11. 11 at one point, I don't think now the Russian Federation, I think, is maybe nine now, but I think it is 11 still. That is crazy.

[C]

It is crazy.

[B]

We got three.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, but it's.

[B]

It's three huge.

[A]

In our.

[B]

I think, our country.

[C]

I think there's one funny thing is this. I think China's got one time zone that's crazy. That is crazy, because that really is huge. But I think they standardized it throughout. I. I'd have to look it up.

[B]

But I think we made the time zones.

[C]

Yeah. I wonder how they kind of. How they.

[B]

How they finagle that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another place I went, Hong Kong, that my jaw dropped. Hong Kong was truly breathtaking. It's like New York City jammed into a tropical island. It's like so crazy, so beautiful.

[C]

That's so amazing.

[B]

Wait, so we have to wrap up soon, but I have a few rapid fire questions.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If you could acquire fluency in a foreign language by chopping off one of your fingers and you can go up to 10, because you have 10 fingers, would you. And if so, which finger in which language would it be?

[C]

I would chop off my little finger to just speak Japanese again.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Anymore?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I like my rings too much.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I think I'd probably only have like, pointers left.

[C]

Yeah. I'd love to be able to speak. I mean, I can speak a few languages, but.

[B]

What do you speak?

[C]

I speak French. I speak. I can understand Spanish. It takes me about two or three weeks to get back into it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I can understand Italian, German.

[B]

Damn.

[C]

A bit of Catalan.

[B]

And that is a distinctly different language than Spanish. Right. It is a. It's not a dialect. It is a different middle front.

[C]

It's kind of more related to some Middle French. It's a romance language.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Damn. I. I have a.

[C]

But I don't. I don't speak it. But if I'm there, I can.

[B]

Because you can manage.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Wait, hold on one second. I asked my friend, the. The. The guy who introduced me to you. I asked him if he had a question for you, and he did.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

Franz, where are you? Okay, let's. I believe. Oh, I believe yesterday was Isabella Blow's birthday. Does Daphne have a favorite piece from the collection?

[C]

I'd say the. The Jack the Ripper. It's. It's a. It's a jacket, which is beautiful.

[B]

What is it? What is it? Describe it.

[C]

It's.

[B]

We'll put it up on the pod for the people.

[C]

Yeah. It's difficult to describe it. It's got two long tails and it's kind of got a sort of wired back and it's. And also he sewed her hair into a little plastic. Oh. Fierce. I mean, they're kind of amazing.

[B]

That's incredible. Damn. I got a. I remember. I got. I purchased an Alexander McQueen dress. It was designed by Sarah Burton, I think. But it was just a knit dress and it was such an outrageous. I mean, for me, it was like. I was like, I'm gonna spend so much money on this fucking stretch dress and I'm just gonna wear the shit out of it. And it. And I just like.

[C]

And did it. Did it last?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I love it.

[C]

Oh, my God, that's so good.

[B]

Yeah, I look. I just like, open the closet. I just look at it. Oh, my God. It's like.

[C]

Well, I know what you mean. I kind of just like looking at my things, not wearing them because I don't want them to come. Because you can't get anything nearly as nice these days.

[B]

No, everything's shit. Well, yeah, I mean, I think I.

[C]

Got this kind of source. Anything good is really difficult.

[B]

I mean, it is like, I.

[C]

Good problem solving.

[B]

So, yeah, I mean, I sew. It's one of my hobbies. And I. There is no greater satisfaction than actually constructing a garment and then wearing it. I mean, it is like. And I. The cool thing about sewing, I think, is that you'll never get perfect at it. You'll never be perfect. There's so many things you'll never learn.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Techniques of like. Because, like, in all these, like, ateliers, these incredible Italian women are like. They sew appliques onto tool.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. It's amazing.

[B]

It's amazing that they do that for the rest of their lives. And then one person does, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They do the hems on whatever.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's so specialized and so skilled.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

And now it's just like pumping out trash from the fast faction factory.

[C]

Oh, it's really sad.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, do you.

[C]

I like slow fashion.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's. The other question is, like, don't you think the fashion industry needs to chill?

[C]

Chill. They do need to chill.

[B]

And then just summer resort ready to wear coat coutures.

[C]

Like, no, it's ridiculous.

[B]

Like, why don't I. Like, that's five or six collections a year.

[C]

Oh, gosh. More Sometimes. I mean, I think up to sort of 25, 30 collections. Because then they got accessories and they've got this.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the handbags. I think you need to get on the phone and make some phone calls and you gotta tell everybody to just chill for a little bit.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah, I think so.

[B]

It's so. It's too much too fast and it's like.

[C]

And it's gone so quickly and.

[B]

Yeah. And then it's like the. The. Because of the you know, the. The way everything is so globally accessible. It's like. Well, I've seen that. I've seen that. And it's like the brain wants to move so fast. What's your favorite movie?

[C]

Oh, my gosh. Well, it would probably be either sort of like Sunset Boulevard.

[B]

Okay. Or I'm ready. Oh, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my fruit. I left.

[C]

Oh, do you love that?

[B]

I loved it.

[C]

That's so funny, that.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love it. I love it. Okay. Sunset Boulevard, least favorite movie. Well, that's. That's kind of a shitty question. I don't want to be a hater anymore. I don't want to be a hater. My controversial take is Rec Room for a Dream.

[A]

Sucks.

[B]

All right.

[C]

I've never seen it. Don't. Okay, thank you. That's one off my list.

[B]

I do suggest. I've seen the September issue, the documentary. Have you seen that? No, I've seen about 10 times.

[C]

Is it great?

[B]

I believe it is.

[C]

I'm going to see it.

[B]

It just follows Anna Winter at Vogue doing the September issue. Around 2000, early 2000s, I think.

[C]

2009.

[B]

2009. It's a fabulously paced, gripping, wonderful slice of life.

[C]

How brilliant.

[B]

Yeah. And it's.

[C]

There's nothing.

[B]

It's nothing, like, splashy or, like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Just interesting.

[B]

Interesting. And Grace Coddington is wonderfully featured.

[C]

She's brilliant.

[B]

She's so brilliant. And I chased her down in New York City once, and I think I scared the shit out of her. But I just, like, I had to say hi and say I love you, and I just ran the other way.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[B]

So, yeah, okay, we have to end.

[C]

It's been such a pleasure, but you.

[B]

Have to plug, plug, plug.

[C]

Oh, my goodness. So plugged. Oh, yes. I've got a single light which came out last week, I think.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

That was made in a day.

[A]

And.

[C]

And it's up on YouTube.

[B]

Yeah. And it's on itunes and Spotify.

[C]

Itunes and Spotify and Tidal.

[B]

And so if you don't.

[C]

And it will be on VIN Record.

[B]

Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah.

[C]

For the oldies, like. Yeah.

[B]

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