Elvira's Planet of the Glamazonian Ghouls with Trixie

Summary

The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya

Episode: Elvira’s Planet of the Glamazonian Ghouls with Trixie
Date: October 28, 2025
Guest: Cassandra Peterson (Elvira, Mistress of the Dark)

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Episode Overview

This special Halloween episode of “The Bald and the Beautiful” brings Trixie Mattel face-to-face with iconic horror hostess Cassandra Peterson, known globally as Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. With Katya away, Trixie leads a candid, hilarious, and deeply affectionate conversation exploring Elvira’s singular career—covering everything from early drag queens in Provincetown to intellectual property wrangling, pinball wizardry, and candid discussions of queerness, longevity, and legacy. The discussion delights in behind-the-scenes stories, touching personal moments, and a celebration of Halloween, drag, and living authentically.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Elvira Origin Story & Career Longevity

• Early Beginnings: Elvira shares her unexpected journey to TV stardom, recounting how she was hired to host a horror show, thinking it would be a short gig paying “a couple hundred dollars.”
  • "I just thought it sounded like the weirdest damn thing in the world… I was very excited about getting any work that paid money then.” (09:51)
• Rights & Merchandising: Peterson explains the gradual acquisition of her character’s rights, giving her control and long-term financial benefit.
  • “My lawyer said, ‘They’re not going to pay you more. Why don’t you just ask for the rights instead?’ ... Until one day, we realized we had all the rights.” (11:04–11:46)
  • The team didn’t fully realize the value at first—understanding only hit after big TV appearances like Johnny Carson. (12:20–12:47)

2. Late-Night TV, Joan Rivers, and Celebrity Encounters

• On Joan Rivers: Elvira reflects on her appearance with Joan Rivers, expressing fondness and amusement at Joan’s warmth and their rapport.
  • "I felt like it just missed the thing. I was sort of prepared to get into like a cat fight...and then she was just nice to me." (08:23)
  • Memorable Joan quip: “When those things drop, there’s going to be an earthquake in China.” (08:41)
• Industry Support: Edgar Rosenberg (Joan’s husband) was instrumental in helping Elvira network in LA.
  • "He introduced me to agents. Otherwise, you’re just showing up with 900,000 other people.” (07:11–07:40)
• Starstruck Moments: The rare times Elvira was truly “starstruck,” like meeting Michael Jackson just after Thriller’s release.
  • "I mean I was—I couldn’t talk... he shook my hand and he had that glove on... ‘I really love you, Elvira.’” (24:27–25:05)

3. Horror Hostess, Drag Connections, and Live Performance

• Queer & Drag Culture: Trixie acknowledges Elvira as an inspiration for many drag performers and the character’s deep roots in queer culture.
  • “Most drag queens think of you as... a drag queen and we all loved you before we did!” (10:15)
• Knott’s Scary Farm Legacy: Elvira describes her Halloween stage shows, stories of over-the-top stage gags, and the evolution from “cheesy” to “full-on Vegas.”
  • “The first show was so lame… but as time went on the shows got better and better. You would not believe it. It was full-on Vegas!” (19:14–19:55)
  • On her signature rag-doll body double gag: “We act like we don't think it's obvious...” (21:25)

4. Music and Misunderstandings About "Stealing the Look"

• Musical Tastes: Trixie and Elvira discuss Joan Jett, Billy Idol, and the recurring claims that Elvira “stole” her persona from others.
  • “How come everybody thinks you ripped them off?” (22:58)
  • “I ripped off Vampira. I ripped off Siouxie… Morticia, everyone. You name it, I ripped off.” (23:01)

5. Cookbook, Branding, and Authentic Entertaining

• Elvira’s Cookbook: Newly published “Elvira’s Cookbook from Hell”—a blend of spooky recipes and party entertainment tips—becomes a bestseller.
  • “Are people gonna buy a cookbook from Elvira? ... It was, like, number 33 on the 100 best seller list on USA Today. Love that.” (25:46–26:02)
  • The book covers everything from easy bites to challenging dishes and includes fun party advice.
  • “It’s for that person… that Halloween is 365 days a year, which is me, for sure.” (27:00)

6. Pinball Machines and Provincetown Memories

• Pinball Pinch-Me Moments: Elvira delights in her own series of pinball machines—a personal point of pride.
  • “I tell people I felt like I won the Academy Award… In my world, pinball machine was like, holy shit… I just made it to the top!” (35:46–35:50)
• Provincetown Drag: Both Trixie and Elvira share tales from the P-Town drag scene, from working at the post office cabaret to lack of air-conditioning and “barking” for shows.
  • “Did you walk on the street… please come see the show?” [“Barking”] (38:47)
  • On changing costumes: “There was none. I had to change eight costumes for my show. And I was changing off to the side behind a little curtain. Oh my God.” (37:51)

7. Candid Reflections & Queer Visibility

• On Coming Out and Being Candid: Trixie praises Elvira’s matter-of-fact discussion about her sexuality and partnerships. Elvira credits her father’s “no-filter” attitude and simply choosing to be honest.
  • “When you say that to me, I feel like hey, maybe that’s something I got from my dad… just say things that happen… you know, no bullshit.” (45:02–45:44)
  • On her relationship: “All my life I was thinking about drag queens and makeup… The nice thing about my relationship with her is that she saw me at my worst every day… It was very comfortable and very… I knew what I was getting and she knew what she was getting.” (46:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Drag Queen Affinity
  "Most drag queens think of you as... a drag queen and we all loved you before we did!" —Trixie (10:15)
• On Merchandising and Rights
  "Then later on they’re not going to pay you more, but maybe they’ll give you the rights to make T-shirts. And then that just kept going until one day we realized we had all the rights." —Elvira (11:46)
• On Meeting Joan Rivers
  "I was kind of prepared to get into a cat fight… and then she was just nice to me." —Elvira (08:23)
• On Pinball Machine Immortality
  “I tell people I felt like I won the Academy Award… in my world, pinball machine was like, holy shit… I just made it to the top!” —Elvira (35:46)
• On Coming Out Casually
  "The way you disclosed it was really like, just like, oh, by the way, anyway, here’s the next page of the book. And I just thought it was… so cool." —Trixie (46:10)
• On Authentic Self and Love
  “The nice thing about my relationship with her is that she saw me at my worst every day… and it was very comfortable and very… I knew what I was getting and she knew what she was getting.” —Elvira (46:33)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:08 — Elvira/Cassandra Peterson joins the show
• 09:45–11:46 — The origin of Elvira and story of securing rights
• 17:55–21:00 — Knott’s Scary Farm and live show anecdotes
• 24:27–25:05 — Elvira meets Michael Jackson
• 25:26–27:39 — Elvira’s Cookbook from Hell—creation and success
• 35:09–36:46 — Discussing Elvira’s pinball machines, Provincetown, and drag history
• 44:00–47:32 — On being candid about sexuality, relationships, and queerness

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Tone & Style

The conversation is warm, irreverent, affectionate, and frequently laugh-out-loud funny. There’s deep mutual admiration, plenty of queer and campy humor, and the overall tone is both celebratory and sincere—a loving look at a drag/horror icon by those she’s influenced most.

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Conclusion & Where to Find Elvira’s Books

Trixie and Elvira close out with gratitude and love, plugging Elvira’s new releases:

"You can find my cookbook, Elvira’s Cookbook from Hell… and my new children’s book, Elvira’s First Book of Monsters, both on elvira.com or at any of your finer local bookstores." —Elvira (47:52)

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This episode is a heartfelt, hilarious, and history-rich tour through queer nightlife, Halloween nostalgia, and the business of being an icon—all through the eyes of two drag legends.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, Katya, you know what I love? Jason Momoa on a bed of mashed potatoes. Nuts. I'm obsessed with nuts.

[B]

I know.

[A]

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[B]

Bag in hand, wonderful pistachios are my go to. I love the flavor of them.

[A]

I love them now. Yeah, I love them, too. And when I'm in drag, I can't always sit and eat a whole meal. But sometimes I just need a little something. A little nut. And if I have a healthy option, I'm a lot more likely to eat that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[C]

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[A]

Ready or not. Too soon, here we come. Belinda Runstadt Theater.

[B]

We'll see you on Sunday, November 9th.

[A]

You know, we should invite.

[E]

Oh, Tempest.

[A]

She lives there. I think she's still with us.

[B]

Wonderful.

[A]

Thursday, November 13th. We're coming to Hawaii at the Blaisdell Theater. I haven't been to Hawaii in 10 years. Honolulu. Honolulu. Wow. Aloha tickets@trixie and katya.com. bye. Bye, Roach. Two extra special things going on today. One, Katya's not here. Let's clap for that all around.

[D]

Who's not here?

[A]

Katya. Exactly. And number two, we have Cassandra Peterson in the house. Elvira. I can't believe it. Wow.

[D]

Cheers.

[A]

Your own team out there not clapping. I. It's. It's. It's completely difficult.

[D]

Thanks.

[A]

That support. Did you have a good time getting into Burbank today?

[D]

Yesterday? Oh, yeah, it was great. Four hours late, that's all.

[A]

Oh, gosh. We're right by the airport, too. Are you. Do you fly into Burbank? Do you fly into lax?

[D]

I have shot right here before. I did my Hulu Special, I think either in this studio or one right across the.

[A]

I've shot some stuff there, too. They have a huge set. You know what's funny? When I shot in there, their psych is so big, you can pull a car in there.

[D]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

And maybe you did that. I did.

[D]

I used. In my Hulu Special, we used the Macabre.

[A]

Am I okay to understand there's two macabreals, right? There's multiple. No, there's just one.

[D]

One.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

There is one that is a complete fake, not real, macabre mobile that goes around the country saying, it's the macabre mobile.

[A]

Oh, my God. I was talking to Angeline. So I guess I'm not going to do that.

[D]

Don't do it.

[A]

I won't do it. Do you ever see it driving and do you ever walk up and. Is it kind of stolen valor? No, no, no. When you see the fake macabre, do you ever want to walk window and be like, hi, what's up?

[D]

No, I just want to walk by with my key on the side.

[A]

Right. No.

[D]

You know, it was a weird story. I had my car made and then I later bought it and I had to have it fixed up, so I took it to George Barris who is a great guy, and he's done the Batmobile, and he's done the Munster's car. All these little cars. You know, he's passed away since, but really cool. Nice guy. And then I had my car fixed up by him, and the next thing I know, they had made a copy. While it was in there being fixed, they made a copy, and then they sent that car around just like they do with the Batmobile, saying it was the real car used in the movie and stuff. And of course, it wasn't. I have the real car.

[A]

Interesting. Kind of feels at worst illegal, but. Or at best.

[D]

Oh, we tried to get him to stop, and, you know, it was pretty difficult. It was just like, don't do it. And they kept doing it, and that's what you gotta do.

[A]

No Macromobile. I also think you should take back hearses and the Batmobile. No more black cars. That's just your thing.

[D]

Really? Okay.

[A]

Yeah. I think you have that kind of power.

[D]

Thank you. I will.

[A]

I was getting ready for this interview today, and I had a weird mix of pressure to make sure that our audience got to hear important things from you, but also comfort knowing that I think I know everything there is to know about you. Oh.

[D]

Oh, that's good. Well, you do the interview by yourself. Ben, I'm leaving.

[A]

I'm so. We have. I'm so grateful you're here. When I freaked out when. When I got the opportunity. I have things that I've wanted to ask you for forever. And do you mind if we just go for it?

[D]

You just go for it. Ask me anything.

[A]

I watch a bunch of your archival, aka bootleg footage on YouTube, like, every Halloween. I love to watch your interview on Joan Rivers.

[D]

Yeah, that was great.

[A]

Have you seen that in a while?

[D]

No, not in a million years.

[A]

It really hits. It's so sad and fresh.

[D]

Really? You thought so?

[A]

Y' all have such a good back and forth.

[D]

Well, this is the funniest thing. It was really weird when I was in Vegas. Okay. You're gonna love this. I was briefly married to her. To her valet? To her? No, to a guy that helped her with her dresses and her makeup. Don't ask me why.

[A]

Did you think maybe, you know, most straight guys don't get into the.

[D]

Oh, no, he was completely gay. Total queen love. And anyway, I don't know. We got drunk in a bar, went in Vegas, and we went and got married anyway. It's very easy to do that in Las Vegas, you know? Yeah. Anyway, so I hung out at Joan Rivers house. In Bel Air a lot. And with her husband Edgar, and their brand new baby, you know, Melissa. Melissa.

[A]

I was like, is there another baby?

[D]

Yeah, no, no, it was just Melissa. But I hung out with him quite a bit and got to be very friendly with Joan. And I loved her. I just loved her. Loved her. And Edgar, I loved. And he helped me, actually with my career and thing. He would introduce me to agents. They knew I was trying to get acting work in la.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

And Edgar really helped me. He was, he was a very sweet man. That whole Edgar story is kind of a nightmare.

[A]

I think sometimes, like, there's no trick to it other than you need some. Somebody who has a little bit of poll who will. Who will say your name.

[D]

It's true, it's true. He said, oh, you ought to meet this person. Oh, go over there and talk to them. I'll tell them you're a friend and blah, blah, blah, you know, I mean, otherwise you're just showing up with 900,000 other people at interviews and, you know, hoping and praying.

[B]

Hoping.

[D]

That's right. So anyway, he was very helpful and he was very, very nice and I really liked them both. But when I went on that show with Jill, I was expecting her to be her snarky Joan Rivers self. And instead she was very, very nice to me. And I almost felt like the interview was really a dud. Cause you know how she's normally with people, she's really.

[A]

She kind of cuts into them. But honestly, with you, I felt like because you were there and you were in your drag, it was also a Halloween episode. So I believe Paul was down the couch from you. And so it was. You were obviously the perfect guest for that. Of course. And you come out and it's drop dead gorgeous. And it's, you know, it's like really good magic late night television when you come out. It's so cool.

[D]

Thank you. I love that. But I felt like it, it just missed the thing. I was sort of prepared to get into like a cat fight, like, sure. Fake fun, like, oh, well, Joan, you know, trade barbs and stuff. And then she was just nice to me.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

So I guess, I guess that was good. But I don't know, when I watch.

[A]

Interviews of you with the male late night hosts, obviously, like, they will talk about your figure in a way that's a little bit workaround. And with Joan, I guess what I liked about it is she could just be like, okay, let's immediately talk about the breasts, you know, and she just immediately was like, I think she Said when those things drop, there's going to be an earthquake in China. Love that. I was like, I mean, so fun.

[D]

It was great. It was fun. And I mean, I just love her. And obviously you've seen her. That documentary, of course, one of my favorites of all time.

[A]

Yeah, I read your book, of course, when it came out. Cruelly yours, I believe.

[D]

Yours Cruelly yours, cruelly. But you almost got it.

[A]

I bought it on my iPad, I read it on tour and I just. You were so candid. So some of the stuff I knew. But there's a particular story of how you started, Elvira. You talked about, I think, being freshly married and like outside of la, and you got a call and they were like, come in for this. And you were like, I think I might just quit. Right, yeah.

[D]

Which time was that?

[A]

It was like when you got the call to come do Vampira. At the time.

[D]

Oh, yeah, no, at the beginning, when I. When I. Yeah. Which was right over here in Hollywood, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. No, I just thought it sounded like the weirdest damn thing in the world. But I thought, oh, well, I'm pretty excited. It's an acting job. I'll be paid a couple hundred dollars. I mean, I was very excited about getting any work that paid money then, you know.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But I wasn't excited about, my God, finally landed the role of television.

[A]

Right?

[D]

No, it wasn't like that. Yeah, it was like, whoa, dude, I got a gig that lasts longer than one day.

[A]

Right. And I guess most drag queens think of you as obviously like a drag queen and we all loved you before.

[D]

We did of you. They think of me as a drag queen too.

[A]

Right. And I guess for some of us, we come up with this character and start hawking it in gay bars, whatever. And when I think of the way you did it, which is kind of reverse of like you got this opportunity that obviously at the time you had no idea it was going to be such a long lasting opportunity. Right?

[D]

No, no, I really thought, God, I hope this lasts, like two or three weeks at least, you know, so I.

[A]

Can, you know, eat and live, make.

[D]

Some money, pay my rent. Yeah.

[A]

And I am obsessed. I just like, I'm obsessed with this thing you talk about in some of your interviews where you weren't able to maybe get financial raises at first, but you were able to ask for things. Could you tell the listeners about that? I think it's so amazing.

[D]

Yeah, that really was lucky. And it wasn't just me, it was my lawyer, it was my managers, which was really AKA my husband at the time.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Who didn't really know what he was doing. But my lawyers said, you know, they're not going to pay you more. Why don't you just ask for the rights instead? To have a fan club, right, everyone? Oh, yeah, that'd be fantastic. I was like, we asked for that. Then later on down the line, next quarter they're not going to pay you more, but maybe they'll give you the rights for. To make T shirts, you know, and merchandise. Oh, that'd be awesome. And then that just kept going and going until one day we realized we had all the rights. Yeah, all the rights.

[A]

So it was like little and everything.

[D]

They knew what they were doing, but I mean, they didn't know what they were doing. But they realized finally, oh, we just gave away all the rights and we owned them. And when they gave them to us, we signed a document and we owned them.

[A]

I have always wanted to ask you about that. Attached to this question was at which point did you realize the rights you were asking for had, like real value? Like, at which point were you like, oh my gosh, do they even realize that I'm going to be able to really count some money here? Like, do they realize that I have something really marketable?

[D]

Yeah, it was a ways down the line. It wasn't. I don't know that we really realized it.

[A]

Right.

[D]

We owned the rights to something, but we didn't really know what, you know, I think we had a better idea of what. When 1, I was invited on the Johnny Carson show, which, believe it or not, at that time was the only talk show. I mean, there were little ones, Tom Snyder and things, you know, but that was. If you were on that show, you were famous. That's all there was to it.

[A]

I'm still hoping I get a call.

[D]

Well, you might.

[A]

It's a very.

[D]

She's dead.

[A]

But at this time. And I recently was on vacation and had it on. It's a very calming sounding show. He has a very calming voice. And I. Did you watch Late Night with the Devil, that movie?

[D]

No, I didn't. But I know the movie. I have not watched it yet. And if you're gonna tell me to watch it, you're like the third person who's.

[A]

So. I'm sorry. I asked Peaches on the phone today. Shout out to Peaches. Christ. I said, do you think she's seen Late Night with the Devil? I said, I was reviewing her late night appearances and I think she would love this movie. But I. It feels a little Insane to tell Elvira to watch a horror movie.

[D]

But no, there's a lot of them that I don't get to.

[A]

I've seen people feel responsible for you seeing everybody single horror movie that I've ever.

[D]

It's just not possible. I try. I try. Right now I want to go see Weapons so bad and I don't. None of my friends want to see horror. It's really weird. My partner hates horror. My friends don't like horror. I can't get anybody to go with me. And I feel weird sitting in a movie theater alone watching a horror movie. And they go, there's Elvira. She's so funny.

[A]

Elvira's here alone watching a horror movie.

[D]

That's so sad.

[A]

It's like the Elvira equivalent of like you at a bar at 4pm yeah, it is. She's getting her fix.

[D]

I know. I just don't to want what do it.

[A]

You know, Weapons, I think is available to watch at home now.

[D]

Oh, I hope so. Okay. That's how watch from the comfort. Looking pathetic.

[A]

Besides your partner, don't tell them it's a horror movie. It's a lovely romance tale.

[D]

There you go. Yeah. And she'll have nightmares for the next month. It'll be my fault.

[A]

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[D]

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[D]

Yes.

[A]

I confuse that with Disney's Not. Not too Spooky. I don't know what they're doing. It's like, not too spooky. Medium spooky. Like, it's like salsa.

[D]

Yeah, it's called the Halloween Haunt.

[A]

Actually.

[D]

Is easier. That's what they called it.

[A]

But how did you start doing that.

[D]

Like, right after it became Elvira? I'd been Elvira for about a year. They had Wolfman Jack doing this show out at Knott's Berry Farm. Did you ever hear of him?

[A]

No. Wait.

[D]

He was like a big DJ in the LA area. And he was really, like, back 100 years ago, a really big deal.

[A]

Did he dress up?

[D]

But a dj? No. He just kind of looked like a wolf. He had all the. He looked kind of like a biker with a goatee and kind of the Eddie Munster kind of. Kind of convenient widow speak. And they talk like this, you know, hi, everybody. Just a wolf and Jack, you know, kind of like that. So anyway, you were like that. And apparently he had a little too much to drink most of the time when he was out there at the show, so they decided to get somebody else to do the show.

[A]

Who can we have? Who'll only have a medium amount of drink?

[D]

Yeah. Well, not me. I'd say I was right up there with him. No, but they decided to replace him. And they called and asked if I wanted to do it. And I was like, what do I have to do? And they go, oh, sing, dance, tell jokes. The first show was so lame. Oh, my God. I'm hopping around singing. Oh, Frankie, you're so fine. You're so fine, you blow my mind. Hey, Frankie, about Frankenstein, right? Oh, my God. Really embarrassing and really pretty cheesy. But as time went on, the shows got better and better. You never saw one out there.

[A]

No, I would.

[D]

You would not believe it. It was full on Vegas. Yeah, you were too young. You weren't even born yet.

[A]

I was. I was born just a few years ago. Really. I. I watch it on YouTube. I think there's a bootleg of maybe your last year. And I remember you saying in the show, like, this is the last year. So we're pulling all the stops. You pull the car out. There's this gag of yours that Kati and I have stolen from you. And we are just like the macabre mobile people who steal from you where you go off stage and then a.

[D]

A rag doll of you comes flying across the stage. I love that so much. Was it voiceover?

[A]

You're like, how about these moves? They're just like throwing a rag doll.

[D]

Of you and they're just throwing me all around the.

[A]

And I imagine you're backstage sipping a Coke, being like, how's the show going? Pretty good, huh?

[D]

And there was I am having a cigarette drink, Red Bull, where we then had one of the dancers, a male dancer who was an acrobat, come out and do hand. You know what they call it?

[A]

Backflip flip.

[D]

Backflips all the way across the stage.

[A]

I wouldn't say it was exactly a convincing body double.

[D]

No, it wasn't at all. He was like a 5 foot tall Latino guy with tons of muscles, you know, very muscle. So it really didn't, you know, but he's zooming across. So fat. And of course everybody knows it's fake, but it was hilarious. And I actually came up with that idea because in the movie I had a body double doing all that stuff. I don't do backflips or anything. My God. But I did do this one thing where I was hanging upside down and I was pushing away at the floor.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[D]

So it looks like I'm flipping, you know. So I said, oh, we got to recreate that kind of thing on stage, you know, where it's very obvious it's a devil.

[A]

But it's amazing.

[D]

We act like we don't think it's.

[A]

Obvious when I introduce people to your work, which I've gotten to do is like, obviously I'll show them a film. But I love to show them one of your live shows. I also love that song Once Bitten. It's on my holiday playlist. Love that song.

[D]

That's great, isn't it? It's this girl. God. Now. Oh, my brain. Oh, God, this is so horrible. Not to. It's been a long time. But an English singer who did that song and wrote it. Oh, God. What's her name? Thank you. Lori Chaco. Go shout out to Lori Choco. So great. She was this friend of mine and she's like this six Foot tall, Amazon, East Indian woman with the white blonde mohawk and just amazing looking. And met her through a friend in la. And then we talked about her doing some music, maybe for the movie. And she said, I have a perfect song. And so we recorded her doing it. But isn't that a great song?

[A]

It's a great track.

[D]

I just remastered it later. Did you said another version?

[A]

I think I have that version. I think that's the version I have.

[D]

Yeah, it's really good.

[A]

I just saw Joan Jett a few weeks ago and it reminds me of like a Joan Jett track. I love Joan Jett.

[D]

Me too.

[A]

I've seen her. I saw her 20 years ago and I saw her just last month and I was like 20 years apart. It's still incredible. Amazing.

[D]

I always wonder if she hates me or something because I don't know Susie from Susie and the Banshees hate why. She said I ripped her off and I was like, I don't know. I felt like just another punk girl back then. We were all looking like that, you know.

[A]

Yeah. How come everybody thinks you ripped them off?

[D]

I ripped off Vampire. I ripped off soon the band, I ripped off Morticia, everyone. You name it, I ripped off.

[A]

And then there's people around driving your car. Yeah. So who's ripping off who? You know what I mean?

[D]

Anyway, I don't know. It was a look. But I do love Joan Chet. I always love Obsessed.

[A]

She did a show. She's on tour right now with Billy Idol and I'd not seen him before.

[D]

That'd be so awesome. She's on tour or. I wonder where they're going.

[A]

I just saw them in Milwaukee. I saw. It was so like a movie. I saw a billboard of them while driving and like immediately pulled over and got the tickets. I was like, I'm going to this.

[D]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

She opened for him, which, you know, it's really a double bill.

[D]

Met Billy Idol. Yeah, he was great. I love Billy Idol too. Yeah.

[A]

What is he like?

[B]

He was awesome.

[D]

He was. I mean, this is back when he was so gorgeous. Really happening. And he was so gorgeous.

[A]

Oh my God.

[D]

He was awesome. We had a lot of fun together.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. He was great live.

[D]

Hi, can I have Billy Idol and get backstage and then meet Joan Chet, please.

[A]

You should have. You never met Joan?

[D]

No.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

No.

[A]

I just think you know everybody.

[D]

I know. I sort of story around her house, you know. I really have just met just about everybody on earth now.

[A]

Who's. Who has ever scared you? I mean, I think starstruckness is hopefully a universal feeling. Is there anybody where, like, gonna lose it besides that?

[D]

You mean scared me? In what way?

[A]

Like, like come up to you with a knife? No, like. Like starstruck. Like, starstruck where you're like. I'm not gonna freak out. Hello, ma'. Am. Huge fan.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Michael Jackson.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, I was. I was. I couldn't talk. I mean, that was really a big deal back then, you know, and he had just come out with Thriller, which was, like, biggest song in the world ever. And. And I was just, like, shaking his hand, and he shook my hand, and he had that glove on, and it poked really, really hard. It was like. But I tried to be really cool, you know, not style it, you know, and it was like, oh, God. God, my hand. And then. And he goes, oh, I really love you, Elvira. I love you so much. And I'm like, michael Jackson's telling me he loved me. You know, I couldn't even. I think I was just stuttering like a glittering idiot. Yeah.

[A]

This is a huge opportunity for you to just grab the glove and take a little piece of memorabilia. Now I should, you know, and they just run.

[D]

Too late now.

[A]

Too late now.

[D]

Yeah, I have another question, but thanks for the advice.

[A]

Of course. I'm trying to steal something of yours today, if I can.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Hopefully. Can we talk about your cookbook? You have a brand new cookbook. Tell us about it.

[D]

Well, it's so awesome. Is. I didn't bring a copy.

[A]

I. It's not out yet, is it?

[D]

It's out now. Yeah. It just came out. Yeah. And I did not bring a copy. I could kick my butt.

[A]

She couldn't get one because everyone bought them all.

[D]

That's right. They're all sold out. They are doing pretty damn well, I must say. I must say I'm not surprised.

[A]

Right?

[D]

No, it's great. I mean. Well, I'm. I don't know. I didn't know. Are people gonna buy a cookbook from Elvira? I don't know. I don't know, but sure they were. I'm really happy. It was, like, number 33 on the 100 best seller list on USA Today. Love that. Yeah.

[A]

People got to eat. They gotta eat.

[D]

They gotta eat. And why not eat dead things? They do fun things.

[A]

I also just threw a Halloween party, and it's hard to find good, spooky recipes. Obviously, people are gonna think of you as the authority of that.

[D]

Yeah, I hope so. There are good recipes. They're fun. They're easy to do. I mean, they have all. Not all of them are easy. It's kind of like runs the gamut from if, like, you totally can't cook to you've gotta be a really good baker. Which I am not. I'm.

[A]

Yeah, some of it was a little. I was looking at some pages online. I was like, all right, the Tacos Dios de los Tac.

[D]

Yeah, which. Which. Which my social media guy accidentally put Tia delos, the ant of the dead ant of tacos. But that could be me. Anyway, I hadn't changed it back to dia.

[A]

The first part of the ingredients is like, like, cook the braise, the short. Cook the short ribs. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is there a chapter one here?

[D]

Yeah. And then we have a vegetarian, a vegan version with jackfruit. It tells how to do the jackfruit. But that's really hard. I mean, the ribs are hard enough, but yeah. No. So we cooked them all, we tasted them all. They're all really good. They're all fun. And like I say, it's for year round entertaining. It's for that person that you know that Halloween is 365 days a year, which is me, for sure. Also an entertaining guide, not just a cookbook. There are things how. How to set the table, how to decorate, how to make little, you know, items for the table and items to give the. Yes when they leave.

[A]

And I love the take home thing. The older I get when I go to a party, I am like, if you invite me over and there's no drinks and no food, why are we doing this?

[D]

I know, I'm leaving.

[A]

This is a trap.

[D]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

What? Do you know what I mean? Like, I just threw a Halloween party and my. My friends were like, you did all this? I said, yeah. So now when I come to any of your events, know that there must be something. I'm not even saying you need to, like, have a stripper pop out of a cake. I'm not saying there needs to be a pig roasting in the front yard. But I'm like, you invited people over. And whose parties do you go to.

[D]

That don't have food or drinks?

[A]

Drag queens. Seriously, girl, they can barely open up the oven and put a rack of Trader Joe's entrees on there. And then they act. They make you feel like you need to be all grateful. I'm out here churning butter. You know what I mean? Like, foreign.

[B]

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[A]

Can I ask you about your pinball machine?

[D]

Sure.

[A]

So I believe you have two, right?

[D]

I've got four. I think four.

[A]

When I would go on tour for a while on tour, I would get really in the mood of like, I just want to go to retro arcades and play pinball.

[D]

I love pinball. I love to play pinball.

[A]

I put in my headphones, I play and I would always start calling around cities and seeing like whichever one had yours, I'll be like, if they have yours, then they're the cool one. And they have the retro stuff. They have the fun cool stuff.

[D]

I love that.

[A]

Was it so wild when they Just pulled out of. I mean, obviously you were involved in the process, but I can only assume it's one of those moments where you're like, there's a pinball machine in me. Wow.

[D]

I love that. Honestly, I tell people I felt like I won the Academy Award.

[A]

Right.

[D]

I mean, in my world, pinball machine was like, holy shit. You know, I just made it. I made it to the top because I. It's so funny. In Provincetown, I spent, like, an entire year playing pinball every single night with my boyfriend in this little shack that's over there. This little.

[A]

You found a straight guy in Provincetown?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

And he was. He was a bartender at the A House Love. I know. He was a lobster fisherman. So somebody has to fish for the lobster there.

[A]

They're gonna send the gay guys out there. That's never gonna get done.

[D]

No, no, that's right. So you have to have a straight guy to get the lobster.

[A]

Absolutely.

[D]

And he and I went to this little fisherman hangout. This is a hundred years ago, okay. In the 70s where there was a lot more Portuguese fishermen, you know.

[A]

Right. There's so few nowadays.

[D]

There's so few. Well, there are, because they've been priced out of Provincetown, girl. That's the trouble. Nobody can live there. All these poor people had to move 100 miles down the Cape.

[A]

When I hear people tell me, like, oh, in the 90s, I bought my house for $90,000. I'm like, yeah, okay. In Provincetown now, it's like. I mean, truly a studio apartment. Million dollars. Million dollars. And, you know, unbelievable.

[D]

I mean, he bought a lot of property when he was a young guy.

[A]

Oh, good.

[D]

With his brother. And so he eventually did really well. He unfortunately passed away now, but he did really well, so. But he bought it when it was cheap as dirt.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And, man, what years did you. Made a killing.

[A]

I worked in Provincetown at the post office for.

[D]

I worked at the post office, too. That's how I was. Oh, my God.

[A]

They had a picture of you on the wall. My first season, and I was like, oh, I love Elvira. And they were like, you know, she used to do shows here. I was like, no, she didn't.

[D]

Mama's Boys. Yeah.

[A]

Did they have good air conditioning then?

[D]

No. God, no. None.

[A]

They didn't have it for me.

[D]

We brought our own fans. It's just, like, sweltering up there in that attic.

[A]

And people are in church pews this close, and they can see sweat trickle. And you're like, how's your vacation?

[D]

They're all like, the dressing room. I don't know if it's the same, but there's no dressing room. I had, like.

[A]

Elvira, what dressing room? Huh? What dressing room?

[D]

Yeah, there was none. I had to change eight costumes for my show. And I was changing, you know, off to the side behind a little curtain. Oh, my God.

[A]

Well, I hope they were skimpy. Cause there's not room for anything.

[D]

Oh, they were very skimpy. They didn't take up much room.

[A]

My first summer there, I got there and, you know, I'd only seen shows in Provincetown. I don't know when you had worked there for the first time. Had you? I went the summer before and kind of scoped it out to see, like, what is a p. Town show? What are the people doing? Yeah.

[D]

Did you do that shows there? Oh, yeah. No, no, because there wasn't even shows. I've got like, my hair is all over the place. No, when I did it, there was not even, you know. Well, you know who was there? Oh, God, like Jim Bailey. I mean, the old, old first drag queens. I'm trying to think of all their names now, but yes, and they were fantastic. I mean, they were like, oh, my God, no, we already had our show done. We just showed up there and go, God, I hope people here like it. I don't know.

[A]

Did you bark?

[D]

Bark?

[A]

Did you walk on the street and you hand out flyers and say, like, please come see the show?

[B]

What?

[A]

That's what they do now, girl.

[D]

Oh, you mean that kind of barking? I thought you meant like, arf, arf, arf. No, no, no.

[A]

I think you would howl.

[D]

No, we sort of went around. We were in a little parade down the middle of town, and we were all leather studs and straps and went down this. And it was me and seven gay men. And so we told everybody, threw out little flyers. Yes. Said we were going to be at the post office. And then we didn't have to do the barking. Thank God.

[A]

Yeah, I did it my first summer and graduated.

[D]

Call it throwing flyers from a. Yeah. Truck barking.

[A]

You're trying to walk by restaurants, people are eating. And these people don't. Haven't sold their tickets. They don't know what they're going to do. So they see you walk by saying there's a show in an hour. They'll go, should we just do it? Let's do it.

[D]

Yeah, I know. It's sort of. Yeah.

[A]

So that venue, particularly a. No air conditioning. I mean, my first summer. I don't want to be gross My, my, my, my corset started to get truly like mold because it's so hot up there that the wet costumes never dry. So at the end of the summer you're like, we have to like exercise.

[D]

Oh my God.

[A]

Like burn this outfit because it's so bad. So this venue. Love this venue.

[D]

Yeah, I love it. Last time I was there, I saw Barla Jean.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Oh my God. Amazing, Funny freaking show. But she just sat there sort of on a stool. She wasn't changing costumes or dancing.

[A]

Well, she's lazy.

[D]

She was so funny, but she wasn't doing, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, costume changes and stuff.

[A]

Yeah. I think she's at. She's at. As of this summer, I saw her at Crown and Anchor and Dina Martinez at Crown and Anchor. Love her.

[D]

I love her too.

[A]

But my puzzle of experience. I remember them walking me up there and it's a smaller stage, I would say, no bigger than this set, right?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you and seven people up there. Yeah.

[A]

Trying to dance, smacking each other in the face.

[D]

There's some. I just got recently, some clips of us doing that show. Yeah. We were like standing so close to each other, just sweating all over each other and doing, you know, singing and doing our back there.

[A]

Probably all standing like this.

[D]

We were, we were. I got. You'll see a clip of it someday. I'll put it out. You won't believe it.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

It was there and that in the. Exactly the space of this really.

[A]

The stage and no cell phone.

[D]

We were dancing and singing and we had a piano on stage.

[A]

No, you didn't.

[D]

Yes, we did.

[A]

What are you guys doing?

[D]

I don't know. I did a lot of my stuff laying on the piano. I'm not kidding.

[A]

I hope you were casting like 90 pound, 4 foot gay men because, I mean, that's.

[D]

One of them was six foot four and probably £200. And then. Yeah.

[A]

Do you still know him? Do you think you could give me his phone number? Is he available?

[D]

They have all died.

[A]

Oh, well, let's take a break. There you go.

[D]

I am the only one alive.

[A]

She's like, anyway, they've all died. I have a cookbook available for you.

[D]

Guys, for all of your friends who died. I'm not doing the cooking.

[A]

I have one thing Peaches told me I had to tell you. Which occurred in the Post office Cabaret. I was getting ready for a show once and this girl who was before me, I won't say who she was, but she was like a legacy drag queen who'd been there Many seasons. And I was after her, and I was sitting back there. You know, the area to put makeup on is this big, right? You're sitting there putting your makeup on, and there's a curtain, and you can hear the other person's show. It's maybe five feet from you, and you can hear them stomping around. You can hear them breathing. I mean, you can hear all of it. And you're putting makeup on. You're trying to be quiet.

[D]

I put my makeup on at home and then came.

[A]

That's probably smarter.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

So I just.

[D]

A tip for next time.

[A]

I'm seeing her bald, as the day is long, with, like, no shirt on, trying to put makeup on, and I hear her go, yeah, And Trixie Mattel's on after this. You guys like Trixie. And the audience went, woo. Which I'm grateful for. And then she goes. She's actually right back here. Do you guys want to see? And she snatched back the curtain.

[B]

No.

[A]

And I'm sitting there at a vanity, like, you're the audience, Cassandra. And I'm sitting there with a makeup brush, and I just go, like, oh, my God. And then she just lets the curtain fall. And I was a weird mix of mad, but so embarrassed. It also was like, God. I also tried to get into the psyche of like, why did she think that was okay? That was so odd in the middle of your show.

[D]

Did you kill her when you went out there?

[A]

We never discussed it.

[D]

We never discussed it.

[A]

I'm too avoidant. Oh.

[D]

Oh. I would have. Oh, what would you have done? Kill her?

[A]

Well, thank God, also, I'm shirtless. What if you were topless as a girl, sitting back, Then you're like, hey, hi, everyone.

[D]

And, like, without my wig on, you know, doing my makeup, and. And, you know, my wig, my hair is all, you know, pulled up in a little tight thing with bobby pins, little pink curls. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I have no God.

[A]

Ah.

[D]

No. I'd kill somebody that did that.

[A]

Kill somebody.

[D]

I would.

[A]

Well, not. I can't reach you.

[D]

I'll. I'll kill her for you.

[A]

Please. I'll give you your phone number.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

But it'd be an honor for you, for a gay person, for you to kill them. Isn't that the dream? Yeah. I was killed by Elvira. That's how I died. It was awesome.

[D]

You have to do it if they do that to you.

[A]

Yeah. I have to ask you, obviously, I can't wait to check out your cookbook. And I hope everybody checks it out. But when I read your Book. You were so candid and for a long time fan like me who thought they knew everything, it was really deeper. You were so open.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

And you know gays, we always like it deeper. So it's very vulnerable.

[D]

Don't we all?

[A]

And I don't know if it's okay to say, but. But I. I really thought that's what they said.

[D]

That's my new thing. I don't say that's what he said or that's what she said.

[A]

That's what they them said.

[D]

That's what that's what they them said. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[A]

I just went. The way you talked about being not entirely heterosexual, the way you. It was like very banal information almost the way it was just factual. The way it wasn't a rocket going off. I kind of thought really was like the way to discuss that of the future. It was like, don't we all want a world where like this is the type of relationship I have. And it's like passive, almost like non information. I felt the way you presented it was so. Oh yeah. And there's this. Anyway, the next day I had my wig on. You know, I just thought that was so beautiful.

[D]

Thank you. It's very funny you said that. And you know, my manager, he might have gone off and disappeared. No, no, stay.

[A]

Is that too much to say? We can cut that.

[D]

It's very odd. On the way. No, on the way here I was talking to my manager about my dad and I said, you know, my dad just like if somebody pissed him off, he would kill them. He was like. And. But I said my dad would say the most embarrassing things to people. Like we'd be in Vegas and he'd go, somebody that worked in the show or a celebrity and go, oh, how much money did you make? You know. And I said he would just say. And Scott said, yeah, he just had no filters. He just, I mean, he just said, this is what it is. This is like it is, you know, no bullshit.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And when you say that to me, I kind of feel like, hey, maybe that's something I got from my dad. Yeah, just say things that happen and like, it's what it is. When you're going to lie about it. People will find out later, you know, you're going to make it up. They'll find out. You're gonna, I don't know, just say it. What do you have to lose, right? Unless you did something bad, you know, stole someone's money or something. Don't tell them that.

[A]

I guess, I mean, For a public figure. It's like if some people, when they share that part of their love life or the type of love life they have, they go on, like, a press tour for it. Like. And the way you disclosed it was really like, just like, oh, by the way, anyway, here's the next page of the book. And I just thought it was. Not that you didn't touch in an earnest way, but I thought it was, like, so cool.

[D]

Well, thank you. Yeah. Well, it just basically happened.

[A]

Love it.

[D]

Yeah. And I was thinking, the nice thing about. About our relationship to a meeting is that all my life I was thinking about drag queens and makeup, and I'm slapping on makeup, you know, today. And I'm thinking, nice thing about my relationship with her is that she saw me at my worst every day. I was at the gym. I didn't have any makeup on. I was sweaty. We got to know each other for six years, you know, working together. And I thought, I'm not doing this phony. Tons of makeup to go out and, like, trap a guy. Trick one, you know, and then later he sees you, you get married, and you look, you know, right. No makeup for anything. They're. Oh, God. What? I marry. You know, And I thought she just saw me, like, every day as a real person, and it was very comfortable and very. I knew what I was getting and she knew what she was getting. And, yeah, it was nice. You know, I was sick of my husband leaving the toilet seat up all the time. That part, right. Just, you know, got to me finally.

[A]

Well, if you ever need anybody to be in love with you for when you're all dressed up, I'm here for that. Okay.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I do thank you so much for coming on the Bald and beautiful.

[D]

Yeah, thank you. This was super fun.

[A]

I'm a long time, long time admirer of you, and I will support you. I'll go to hell for you. I love you.

[D]

Wow. Well, I love you, too. And I think you're incredibly talented.

[A]

And can you tell people this is your cam. Tell them exactly where they can get your book?

[D]

You can find my cookbook, Elvira's Cookbook from Hell, which is really an entertaining guide. And my new children's book. That's right. I've got a children's book called Elvira's First Book of Monsters. You can find them both on elvira.com or at any of your finer local bookstores. Thank you. Limu Emu.

[E]

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[A]

Uh, limu.

[B]

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[E]

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