Irene The Alien's Ephemeral Visit to the Terrestrial Realm with Katya

Summary

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The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya

Episode Title: Irene The Alien's Ephemeral Visit to the Terrestrial Realm with Katya
Date: September 30, 2025

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Overview

With Trixie away in Turkey getting “hair plugs and a tummy tuck” (“airing her out” according to Katya), Katya flies solo as host and welcomes Drag Race alum Irene Dubois—aka Irene the Alien—for a lively, irreverent, and occasionally heartfelt chat. Expect signature chaos, candor, and comedy as Katya and Irene discuss everything from the realities of Drag Race (including the trauma of being first eliminated), fashion and performance art, anal health, iconic movies, and, of course, Lana Del Rey.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trixie’s Absence & Irene’s Introduction (02:00–03:12)

• Katya humorously fills in for Trixie, detailing her “hair plugs and tummy tuck” trip to Turkey.
• Irene’s grand entrance:
  • Katya: “While Trixie’s in Turkey getting her jaw rewired, we have a special guest—Drag Race alumna you know and love. It’s Irene the Alien. Nay Dubois. Welcome to the pod.” (02:56)
  • Irene: “Thank you for having me. It’s my pleasure to be here.” (03:10)

2. Drag Life, Water Hardness, and the Alien Brand (03:12–05:01)

• Discussions on LA’s hard water vs. Seattle’s, shower sliminess, and the woes of cleaning (“I am a very resourceful person, but one thing I cannot do very well is clean, so I outsource that.” — Irene, 04:47).
• The challenge of sticking to one’s drag persona/brand over time (“At this point, I’ve painted myself into a corner.” — Irene, 05:02)

3. Outfit Realness, Drag Economics & Violet’s Dress (05:36–07:16)

• Irene wears a borrowed $50 sequined dress and recounts acquiring a ‘painted-on’ Violet Chachki dress for $200 (“I bought it off a girl who bought it off a girl who bought it off Violet. By the time it made it to me it was only $200.” — Irene, 06:35)
• Reflection on body types and drag fashion struggles.

4. The RuPaul’s Drag Race Experience: Regular Season vs. All Stars (09:10–14:42)

• Irene describes the rough treatment as a regular season contestant (“We were treated sort of like cattle.” — Irene, 09:17) compared to the relative civility on All Stars.
• Humorous take on post-show storage: “Our matrix tubes we’re kept in when we’re not on camera.” (09:46)
• The trauma of first elimination: confidence shattered, boyfriends leaving, friends turning (“Everything positive you think about yourself just gets flushed down the toilet.” — Irene, 10:32)
• Katya and Irene discuss the nuances of being eliminated first vs. second, and why the 'pork chop' legacy has a certain cachet (“At least, you make an impression.” — Katya, 12:13)
• Irene’s emotional toll, culminating in a cathartic mushroom trip breakdown (“I cried so violently and viscerally that I got nauseous and I was dry heaving on the beach.” — Irene, 14:05)

5. Drag Race Talent Shows & Performance Art (21:20–27:14)

• Both hosts weigh in on the anxiety-inducing nature of talent show challenges and the rigidity versus unpredictability of drag competition.
• Irene’s infamous glass-of-water act (“I thought I’d really gag them and do something subversive and the complete opposite of a lip sync.” — Irene, 23:49)
• They analyze how Drag Race sometimes fails to appreciate performance art and anti-humor, with audience tastes differing by city (“San Fran, Brooklyn, Chicago, and London liked it.” — Irene, 27:42)

6. Prop Escalation, Runway Floors, and The Realities of Filming (28:14–36:51)

• Katya and Irene compare the increasing extravagance of Drag Race props and set pieces over time.
• Gritty insight into the literal hazards of performing (“Everyone who saw the finale of my All Stars season will know that I definitely feel like it is greased, the floor.” — Irene, 34:21)
• The slippery, often unsafe main stage, and lack of rehearsal: “Why didn’t I get to rehearse this?” (35:44)

7. Runway Presentation: Pure Fashion or Comedy Bits? (38:39–44:30)

• Katya laments “bit-heavy” runway presentations, advocating for classic modeling (“Let the outfit speak.” — Katya, 43:37)
• They critique memorable Drag Race contestants (e.g., Utica) whose lack of confidence undermined spectacular runway looks.
• Modeling as an underappreciated skill (“Watching someone be not confident is uncomfortable.” — Irene, 43:40)

8. Movie & Pop Culture Opinions (47:08–51:45)

• Favorite films: Irene’s is Alien ("The first [Alien] is amazing...the rest up to Romulus are...a hard watch sometimes." — Irene, 47:44)
• Tim Burton: Both critique his later films—“Nightmare Before Christmas: bad movie. Talk about it—beautiful visuals, story so slow, pacing abysmal.” (Irene, 49:40)
• Brief but passionate thoughts on other movies (Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks) and pop culture icons.

9. Lana Del Rey, Tumblr, and Queer Nostalgia (51:47–55:01)

• Irene’s Lana fandom: “Right after I started having sex, which was bottoming in college. Sad, because it was always terrible. Singing about men who aren’t respectful and have unrequited love. Born to die.” (51:48)
• Candid talk about self-harm, adolescence, and the role of Tumblr.
• Discussion about Lana’s vocal timbre and her potential for a classic rock covers album.

10. Quickfire Questions & Candid Confessions (55:02–61:42)

• Irene’s dream “other” professions: “Proctologist” (56:30), “Gynecologist” (56:40)
• On Texas vs. Seattle: “Texas sucks ass.” (58:05)
• Her claim to Drag Race herstory: first queen to quote Sun Tzu ("When your opponent is at their weakest, that’s when you strike." — 58:33)
• Rapid-fire: Taco Bell order, cheese and its digestive effects, favorite curse word ("cunt", 61:22), favorite sound (not specified), most hated sound ("Styrofoam", 61:15).
• On allyship: “It’s my responsibility as a cis-gendered male-presenting, he/him pronoun having person in this day and age.” (60:14)
• Sincere moment: “Seeing how this administration’s policies are affecting the mental health of the trans people in my life.” (60:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being typecast in drag:
  Irene: “At this point, I’m like, I have painted myself into a corner.” (05:02)
• On first elimination trauma:
  Irene: “Everything positive you think about yourself just gets flushed down the toilet.” (10:32)
• On Drag Race production:
  Irene: “We were treated sort of like cattle on regular Drag Race and on All Stars, they were more like, thank you for being here.” (09:17)
• On catharsis:
  Irene: “I cried so violently and viscerally that I got nauseous...I had to call my mom and be like, I just need you to sort of trip sit for me.” (14:05)
• On anti-humor at Drag Race:
  Irene: “They thought I was trying to make them belly laugh, but I was more trying to be anti humor.” (27:30)
• On pop culture:
  Katya: “Nightmare Before Christmas: bad movie. Talk about it—beautiful visuals, story so slow, pacing abysmal.” (49:40)
• On Lana Del Rey fandom:
  Irene: "Right after I started having sex, which was bottoming in college. Sad, because it was always terrible. Singing about men who aren’t respectful and have unrequited love. Born to die.” (51:48)
• On the politics of allyship and drag:
  Irene: “It’s my responsibility as a cis gendered male presenting...person in this day and age.” (60:14)
• On sensitive topics (with characteristic deadpan humor):
  Katya: “I have friends who are anal explorers of the most Olympic spelunkers...they gotta worry about diapers before they turn 50.” (31:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trixie’s Turkey adventures & show open: 02:00–03:10
• Alien branding and LA life: 03:12–05:01
• Violet Chachki’s dress & fashion talk: 05:36–07:16
• Drag Race behind the scenes:
  • Regular season vs. All Stars: 09:10–14:42
  • First elimination trauma: 10:32–14:42
  • Talent show challenge deep dive: 21:20–27:14
• Performance art on Drag Race: 23:49–27:42
• Drag Race mainstage, slipperiness, and show mechanics: 34:21–37:00
• Runway presentation debate: 38:39–44:30
• Movie talk: 47:08–51:45
• Lana Del Rey, Tumblr, and queer subculture: 51:47–55:01
• Rapid-fire personal Q&A: 55:02–61:42

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Final Thoughts

The episode blends humor, insider Drag Race gossip, vulnerable confessions, and absurd pop culture tangents with trademark irreverence. Irene proves a perfect match for Katya’s rapid wit, delivering both deep feels and laugh-out-loud moments.

“You did your best.” — Irene imagines God greeting her at heaven’s gates (61:34)

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For Listeners

If you love candid drag industry insights, dark-humored banter, and pop culture deconstruction, this episode is jam-packed with moments you won't want to miss.

Transcript

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hi divas, Katja here.

[Trixie Mattel]

Since Trixie is off to Turkey getting.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Those hair plugs because she desperately wants to look like me, I'll take the reins. And letting you know that we are.

[Trixie Mattel]

Going to be doing our final live.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Bald shows of the year in October. We're in Canada. October 3rd in Calgary and 4th in Winnipeg. And November 9th we'll be in Tucson, Arizona. That's right, we only go to the.

[Trixie Mattel]

Desert in the winter. And on November 13th we'll be in Honolulu.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh baby. Get your tickets [e-mail] welcome to another episode of the Bald and the Beautiful. There's no baldness today, but there's two times the beauty. Oh yeah, we have. While Trixie's in Turkey getting her hair plugs and her tummy tucked.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, just airing her out. Wow, her tummy tucked.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, she's getting. She's getting the old fashioned lipo. And it's all inclusive.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Go to. It's like $3,500. They fly you out, pick up at the airport.

[Irene Dubois]

3,500 for lipo and the plugs.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then you stay at like a 3 star resort hotel. 30500 USD for lipo and, well, it's in Turkey, so the exchange rate is very favorable these days. It could be 4,000, I'm not sure, but.

[Irene Dubois]

You want to know what I paid for lipo?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Irene Dubois]

Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, I know. Will you let me talk?

[Irene Dubois]

Sorry.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My God.

[Irene Dubois]

This is my podcast.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I've been trying to introduce you. While Trixie's away getting her jaw rewired, we have a special guest, a Drag Race alumna who you know and love. It's Irene the Alien. Nay Dubois. Welcome to the pod.

[Irene Dubois]

Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure to be here.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You look fantastic. And I just want to say that I'm very sorry that I was 35 minutes late.

[Irene Dubois]

Hey, you know what? Honestly, I was expecting longer, so this is a pleasant surprise.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I do have an excuse, though. I now have. I've got to do my hair. I can't run out of the house with wet hair.

[Irene Dubois]

The style looked like it took forever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, it's not. It didn't. It's just the drying. I don't know how to use the hair dryer.

[Irene Dubois]

You don't have the diffuser yet.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't even know what that is. I'm so new. I'm so new. What is a diffuser?

[Irene Dubois]

It's like an attachment for your hair dryer and it makes the hair dryer, it's softer air. So that you can like get the scrunch, little TikTok. Hairstyle.

[Trixie Mattel]

Soft hair.

[Irene Dubois]

Soft hair. Air.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Soft air. Like hard water. Soft air.

[Irene Dubois]

Exactly. God, the water in LA is hard as nails. I do not envy you. I feel slimy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, so let's talk about the water in la. A super relatable subject to everybody listening. How does that manifest? You said in sliminess or.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah. So when I shower in Seattle, after my shower, I feel clean. But when I'm in la, which happens way too fucking often, you feel. I still feel like I have residue on my body.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's gum on you. Really now? So is that the reason that I'm having such a hard time squeegeeing my black tile in the shower?

[Irene Dubois]

110. I actually, I wouldn't know. I. I've never cleaned a shower in my life, but.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, well, like, so say spots.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Mold. Not mold. Grime. We don't talk about mold here. Like, so. Like. Like a residue. Yeah, that. Is that from hard water? That could be from hard water. Okay.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Have you ever. You've never squeegee. You've never done anything like that in your life before?

[Irene Dubois]

I am a very resourceful person, but one thing I cannot do very well is clean, so I outsource that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, well, you're an alien, so I would imagine.

[Irene Dubois]

I don't understand Earth chemicals. God, honestly, the brand is so strong.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you tire of it?

[Irene Dubois]

I. At this point, I'm like. I have painted myself into a corner.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

Because I go to the gig and I'm like, I'm doing my Liza Minnelli number tonight, and they're like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They're all dressed up like E.T. yes.

[Irene Dubois]

No. They show up with space buns, and I'm like, sorry, kids, I'm not doing that shit anymore.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You got cone heads in the audience.

[Irene Dubois]

You got, like, et cetera.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I love that. That's. I relate a little bit because, like, I kind of, like, for, like, a good long time. It just, like, gave up on the Russian thing. Totally. And I was like, people just show up with a hammer and stick. I'm like, good for you. I'm doing. I'm doing Kesha.

[Irene Dubois]

I'm not a communist. I'm so sorry to tell you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Totally. So let's talk about you.

[Irene Dubois]

Let's do it. I love my favorite. This is an outfit that I did not bring today. I borrowed this from the neighboring studio where Bob the Drag Queen.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Get out of here. Oh, beautiful studio, by the way.

[Irene Dubois]

Beautiful studio. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. Gorgeous studio.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Very enviable, that studio.

[Irene Dubois]

This had the tag on it, so she was more than willing to let me wear it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That was from a store.

[Irene Dubois]

This is a $50 dress from a store. Get out of here. And I did have this wig. The wig is mine, but, yeah, it's lined.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Lined. Champagne sequin. I would call that champagne.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, totally. And I have a silver shoe, which is close enough.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We're mixing metallics in 2025.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah. But I did change my gold earrings to a silver earring so that I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Feel that I think was the right choice because the accessories got to match 100%.

[Irene Dubois]

But I had this outfit that I was cinched for. And as I was waiting for you to arrive, the cinch became more and more.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Started throwing up.

[Irene Dubois]

Difficult to deal with. And I was. Well, so I had to be cinched because the dress that I was going to wear is actually one of Violet Chachki's old dresses.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why would you ever.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, I bought it off a girl who bought it off a girl who bought it off a violet. And by the time it made it to me, it was only $200. So I was more than happy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And what did it look like?

[Irene Dubois]

It's painted on my body.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, yeah, but what did. That doesn't say anything.

[Irene Dubois]

It's like P and gold and black. And it. It's like a little like cut here and then like cut right above the puss.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Irene Dubois]

And then I have big shoulders, like violet. So I had to hide it with a jacket.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But I'm huge.

[Irene Dubois]

Like a big old man. Just like Violet.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She does have very. She had broad shoulders. Right. Well, she's, you know, she's not petite.

[Irene Dubois]

Get you a man who can do both.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what I mean?

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah. Bob sent her a picture of it and she said, how is whoever that is able to fit into that dress?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know, this is sitting gig.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah. Well, and that. That's what I realized. I was sitting and I was waiting for you and I was like, I'm gonna be mad if I have to wear this anymore.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We're not showing off our waist on this show. Plus, people are in the car, right?

[Irene Dubois]

No, no one's watching this anyway. So I look like what's her name from Dynasty?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Crystal Connor. Not Crystal Connors. Joan Collins.

[Irene Dubois]

Joan Collins. If I look like Joan Collins on the Bald and the Beautiful podcast.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Joan Collins or Joan.

[Irene Dubois]

It's Joan Collins and her sister's Jackie Collins.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Jackie Collins. That's right.

[Irene Dubois]

That's right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was gonna. I love. Oh, I wish, you know, you could. I could do a fabulous Crystal. No, no, no. The Linda Evans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

Honestly, I'm shocked. You haven't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know. Well, you know what? It's not easy finding that hair.

[Irene Dubois]

There are people who make hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know, but it's gotta be. That is a very particular Bob. Yeah, it is a very blown out shoulder. It's a big fat page boy.

[Irene Dubois]

Goofiest bang. The Sabrina Carpenter bang.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Huge goofy bang. Big. It's. I mean, it is a very voluminous. And it's that ash blonde that's almost gray that you can ever find.

[Irene Dubois]

This one needs a little bit of.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, this is 613. Yeah. And I have purple shampooed it.

[Irene Dubois]

Have you?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I did. I purple shampooed it because it was a little bit more Yellow.

[Irene Dubois]

It's giving Twink in crisis. Brassy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, you think it's that brassy? Really?

[Irene Dubois]

You look like you. Like your boyfriend broke up with you and you're like, I know. It'll show him.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This is the 40 year old. I'm gonna dye my hair blonde gay moment.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which I can. I'm still with it.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, I can hang. I have a friend. It's. It is funny. I have a good friend of mine just dyed his hair blonde from jet Black. And. And he's 41, and I'm wondering what's going on with his life.

[Irene Dubois]

Nothing good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Nothing good. So I was asking you earlier, before we were rolling, if they still said hard ice on Drag Race and you said, no, they don't. On the All Stars, without giving too much, like, how the sausage is made away, like, what is the difference between regular season and All Stars in your experience?

[Irene Dubois]

I just think that they are a little bit more aware of the fact that we are working professional drag queens on All Stars and so we're treated as girls. I mean, obviously my experience of being on a regular season of Drag Race was very, very short because I went home first, but we were treated sort of like cattle on regular Drag Race and on All Stars, they were sort of more like, thank you for being here.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. A little more humanized.

[Irene Dubois]

But they've changed the way that they store us, you know, have you heard this store? Our cryogenic freezers are different now. Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Your racks of refrigerated.

[Irene Dubois]

No, our. Our matrix tubes that we're kept in when we're not on camera.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

When they're feeding the tube down our throat.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, they will. They have to shut us down so the story doesn't develop.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, how did they story?

[Irene Dubois]

There's a trailer park. They have a trailer park with like 15 trailers. And there's a common area where we can all hang out when we're, like, chilling.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You can hang out.

[Irene Dubois]

We can hang out off camera.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Interesting. And there's a trailer park where?

[Irene Dubois]

Across the street from the studio.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Where's the studio?

[Irene Dubois]

I'm not going to say it on camera.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So they. So they store you in a much more.

[Irene Dubois]

Humane. Is the word humane.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hospitable situation. And so going home first.

[Irene Dubois]

Tell me Nasty. Wouldn't recommend it, right?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Of course not. But I like. I want. Tell me what exactly. Like, give me the whole full psychological profile of you, of that experience.

[Irene Dubois]

It's sort of like everything positive you think about yourself just gets flushed down the toilet.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

And it was crazy in the moment. I wasn't really super broken up about it because I was like, I have, like a full. I've been a full time drag queen in Seattle for a really long time. I've got a great career to go back to. I have a lovely boyfriend who, you know, everything is going super well with that. I have, like, amazing friends. And then I got home, got eliminated first. My boyfriend moved to Spain and broke up with me, and all my friends turned on me because I was so unhappy with you've. Oh, my God, it was crazy. So I was like, oh, everything's going wrong.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wow.

[Irene Dubois]

So my life kind of fell apart and, you know.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I was weird because Trixie and I have been rewatching season seven.

[Irene Dubois]

I've been watching.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's. It's. I. In my experience, there's really no way to. On the first season, like, like you're saying you get. The experience is more humanized and you're familiar with it on the All Star season. But in the first season, I felt that it was very do or die. It was very serious. Like, very, very deadly serious. And I mean, even at the point of, like the second, say the end of the first episode, when you're dancing at the end of the lip sync, you've been there for a little bit.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, you've been there for several days.

[Irene Dubois]

The first episode took a week to film.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There you go. So, like, that's insane. So even a week on Drag Race with no phone, no contact in a barn or in a cryo chamber or whatever, you feel like it's your. I. Or I felt like it was like the most important thing in the world and it was very, very like, I. Because I thought that, like. And I think that going home second is harder than first. That's just my opinion.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, a lot of people share that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Opinion because I think because of the. Just because of the memorability factor, like, at least it's like, well, I was shot for, like. So you have that impression. Like, you make us.

[Irene Dubois]

You make an impression. There's a word for it, right? It's pork chop. There's not a word for second hour.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Exactly, exactly, exactly. And also it's like, it can be a fluke because there are many girls.

[Irene Dubois]

As I have proven.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There you go. No, seriously, like, because there's There are some. It's kind of bad luck. Like, you could be. You could have a huge skill set, have a huge personality, and then you just fuck up or you just, like, you know, you're driving down the street and you hit a You get a flat tire.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it's. And it's not your fault. And it's a bummer. And it doesn't necessarily, like. I mean, I don't think getting eliminated from Drag Race is. You know, it's not like a. Doesn't mean anything about you, but, like, it can certainly. Like, you can feel wounded as a drag queen, but, yeah, I think it's. It can be like a fluke, and then you could be an incredible queen. It's just a bummer that people didn't get to know you.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, I mean, I think for sure, when I was there and I was getting eliminated, I also was on the first season in years where the person eliminated first was actually eliminated first. So as it was happening.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, what did you. What does that mean?

[Irene Dubois]

Season 12, season 13, season 14, they would eliminate someone and then bring them right back. It was like a fake out, or they would just, like, go through several episodes before eliminating someone.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right.

[Irene Dubois]

So they eliminated me, and I was like, okay, sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, I'll keep my bags.

[Irene Dubois]

I'm going home.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, you're like. And then they're like, well, I walked.

[Irene Dubois]

Off the main stage, and they're like, sue, flight's on Wednesday, and we need you to pack right now and do untucked right now. And it was like, wait, this is really happening. And for the next, like, 24 hours, I was still there. Cause I had to film confessionals and shit. And I kept waiting for someone to come in and be like, you're back.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, like, psych.

[Irene Dubois]

And it never fucking happened off camera.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did you cry? Are you a crier?

[Irene Dubois]

I didn't cry until October. I was on the beach with some friends. We were on vacation at a cabin, and we all took shrooms, and everybody else went inside, and I stayed on the beach. And. Okay, it might have been in November, because this was after my boyfriend had broken up with me. And on shrooms, the weight of everything that had happened hit me all at once. And I cried so violently and viscerally that I got nauseous and I was like, dry heaving on the beach. And I had to call my mom and be like, I just need you to sort of trip sit for me over the phone while I, like, expel every emotion I've ever had. It was crazy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know. I totally. I. I know that that's sick. That. That. I know that very well.

[Irene Dubois]

It's the only time it's ever happened to me in my photo. I'm not a crier. I'm not an emotional person.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, no, it's. I. Oh, gosh.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My friend said it was like. He just mentioned that it was. You can think about it. Like, if you think about it, like, you're actually, like, expelling, like, crap from your body, then it can be helpful, but it's not. Certainly not pleasant in the moment.

[Irene Dubois]

No. But there was a cathartic element to it. I was kind of, like, happy to have accessed it because I had been holding onto it for so long.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

That I was like, oh. Afterwards, I was like, oh, my God, it's out.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

It's like being constipated after being, you know, after surgery when you're taking oxy or whatever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And they get to digitally extract the feces from your butthole.

[Irene Dubois]

You know those. You know those videos where they're cleaning out a drainpipe and at first it's.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Slow and then blam.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, that was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Damn.

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did you watch the season? Were you?

[Irene Dubois]

It was bad without me.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Irene Dubois]

It was a bad season.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I didn't watch it because of that.

[Irene Dubois]

They needed they girl you what what is the last season of Drag Race you watched?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, Just stop it, everyone. What are you talking about?

[Irene Dubois]

You're like, God, my podcast is not a Drag Race recap.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There are too many of them. There are too many. We don't need to add to that. No, I've watched. I've watched a bunch.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure. Why not?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Every one of them, huh? You. You.

[Irene Dubois]

When you're on the Pit Stop, I listen.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You have to watch the. I get accused of that all the time.

[Irene Dubois]

Sit there and make you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She didn't make. Watch the episode. What do you think I was doing? They literally, like, glue your eyeballs to the screen. You watch it seconds before you're on camera. Because, like, what, they're not going to trust you to do homework at home anyways? Obviously. It's not even out yet. You don't have access to it. Yes, you're the only ones that do.

[Irene Dubois]

Right. Anyway, have you seen my episode that I got eliminated on?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have not.

[Irene Dubois]

That's probably for the best. Your opinion of me will be much higher because of it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Listen, I am a person who is. I'm a flake. I'm sure. I'm. I'm lazy about work, not about other things.

[Irene Dubois]

And only the things that are making you money.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, yeah, If I have to do something, then I immediately don't want to do it, so.

[Irene Dubois]

Do you know why I got eliminated?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because you were from a different planet and you didn't qualify. Or were you Dubois then?

[Irene Dubois]

I was Dubois then.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. When did you take that? When did you. Sort of. Right after Blast Off.

[Irene Dubois]

I was like, I need them to. Not when they Google Irene Dubois. It's gonna come up. Changing witness protection.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I didn't. Why were you eliminated? And listeners, please don't. Don't be. You know what? Keep your. You just keep your mouth shut, okay?

[Irene Dubois]

No, it's kind of. It's fun to like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I don't want them to be mad. I don't want to be mad at me that I didn't do my homework.

[Irene Dubois]

No, I don't give a.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I don't want it to reflect on you because I think you're a lovely person.

[Irene Dubois]

Thank you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait. To get to know you.

[Irene Dubois]

This. This 10 minutes we've spent together. You're already in love.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I mean, you're always so gracious that I was 35 minutes late, so that's a great start.

[Irene Dubois]

Could you imagine if I went on the most successful drag podcast ever and was a diva about you being late?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I would. Yes. I think that would Be interesting. I don't. Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

I mean, is my time not as valuable as yours?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Put me in my place. Like, make my face go red. That would be amazing.

[Irene Dubois]

I'll just Dom you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

I. We had a talent show, okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So this stresses me out.

[Irene Dubois]

It's the worst challenge.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's.

[Irene Dubois]

It's I. That and Snatch Game.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Mary. We started. We started. And not. I'm not to cut you off, but I will. I will just say briefly. We got a call from the producers before, you know, because they gave us, what, three. Three weeks and about two weeks. They're like, hey, what do you think about a talent show?

[Irene Dubois]

What do you think about.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, like, like you're mattered. No, yeah, no, seriously, because they're like, what would you. Like, we're thinking about, like, a talent show. What would you do for a talent show? And also. And they really wanted to. It was a logistical thing. Like, they said, like, you can't lip sync to Janet Jackson because we can't get the rights to that song.

[Irene Dubois]

They told Coco she could do it, though.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. Oh. Oh, gosh. My gosh. But see, that's like. So that was. That was a. That was unfair to her, I believe, because Coco Montrese is an extremely talented drag queen.

[Irene Dubois]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's not a carpenter. She's not like, don't judge a fish.

[Irene Dubois]

By how it climbs a tree.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Exactly that. Put that on a fucking bumper sticker, you bitch.

[Irene Dubois]

It's my new merch. You can get it on my best Judy dot com.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, and so, exactly. However, like, you know, it is a strange thing to do, what she did. I think it was performance art. I would have given her the top prize. But, yeah, that is a tough to me. I get. I get. Oh, I get, like. I get full body chills. Get the willies. Yeah, I get full body chills. Full body chills. What did you do and what happened?

[Irene Dubois]

Okay, so at the time that I got to do a talent show, you know, we're many seasons into the talent shows, and it's become very clear that what people are starting to do is lip sync to an original track, talk about it. They. They love it. You know who loves it even more?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

RuPaul.

[Irene Dubois]

RuPaul loves.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The only thing she loves more than a black scent or someone losing a ton of weight is someone losing a ton of weight. She just loves when that fatty slims down. She gets hard boned up. She is bricked for that former fatty.

[Irene Dubois]

There's a season from the first episode where she goes, well, you look great.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Tempest. So you lost £6,000? That's incredible. Thank God you did, you nasty former fat fuck. You know, it's just crazy.

[Irene Dubois]

No comment.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no, I know we're. We're exaggerating. Of course. We love trying to get invited dot com. We're in love with everything she does, so. But. Yeah, so go ahead.

[Irene Dubois]

So my idea was I'll really gag them and do something super subversive and the complete opposite of a lip sync.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, I think I saw this.

[Irene Dubois]

The glass of water.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love that.

[Irene Dubois]

I thought it is your type of thing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

See, I love that shit.

[Irene Dubois]

It's your type of thing. And I thought. Have you ever seen Pickle Surprise? Of course I thought that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's a surprise.

[Irene Dubois]

I thought that the woman who was a part of Pickle Surprise, see, that's not that woman. Have you seen her Tiktoks lately?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, but see, she wants to be.

[Irene Dubois]

An alternative queen again so bad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which one of you bitches is my mother? When she.

[Irene Dubois]

Where's that shirt, Mary?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have that shirt. I have that shirt. The one we're talking about, RuPaul's Instagram. And she. If you take a look at her Instagram or maybe her TikTok, I don't know. I look at her Instagram. Her Instagram is filled with silly, silly, silly videos. My favorite is when she opens the door and then she's there with her purse on her head to the side, and she said, can I help you? Do you have a question? And then just. It's just.

[Irene Dubois]

Have you seen her pulling out the laruru?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have. I don't. I don't love that because I cannot stand. I don't even want to say the word.

[Irene Dubois]

Say it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Labubu. I can't.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, fucking.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I think it's.

[Irene Dubois]

Say that shit again.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I think it's another sign. Another sign. Just one of many signs of the end times. They're already upon us.

[Irene Dubois]

Did you feel that way?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If you have a Labubu, I'm gonna kill you.

[Irene Dubois]

Did you feel that way?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'll run you over with my car.

[Irene Dubois]

I got tipped a Labubu and I gave it away. Thank God, to a friend.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You don't touch that shit. You just kick it.

[Irene Dubois]

Did you not like a Beanie Baby?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I'm. What the fuck you think I was doing when I was 13? I was drinking blood in the dark, right?

[Irene Dubois]

So true.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Beanie Baby blood. Beanie Baby. What? What do you do? I.

[Irene Dubois]

There's a hole in it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it. It's not. It's Filled with, like, jelly beans. No, it's still with, like. I was filled with, like, sand or something.

[Irene Dubois]

No, no, they're beanie. Yeah, they're not getting in that hole.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. Okay. Anyways, so enough with the toys. RuPaul's Instagram. Oh, yeah, she's. RuPaul is on the main stage. There's many versions of RuPaul.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure. But she wants to be a freak again. She's sick of this.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But she is a freak. But she. She.

[Irene Dubois]

Right. She doesn't want to wear the corsets and the gowns. No, she wants to be pickle Surprise. Ru.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

And so I thought that I was appealing to her better half, but she. Yeah, it just didn't. It didn't. It didn't. It was my fault.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was a big swing.

[Irene Dubois]

It didn't work. And it didn't work because it was a shortened version of an act that I have done successfully. But the shortened version was not successful.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, see, that's the other thing is that you've got 60 seconds or 90 seconds. 60. I mean.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The girls who, you know, I've. Have there. Has there been a girl who's gone out there and done, like, a tight one?

[Irene Dubois]

You can't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's not a thing.

[Irene Dubois]

You can't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's not a thing for a reason.

[Irene Dubois]

If I had been smarter, I would have realized that any attempt at comedy is just going to be unsuccessful unless it's in musical form.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This fly now, my. My flag would be like grabbing the fly and eating.

[Irene Dubois]

I tried earlier. You try to grab a Karate Kid style little lizard.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The. I wish. Like, you know what mine would be? I would try to. I would have to. I would try to snatch my own eye out and eat. Would have to be.

[Irene Dubois]

But, like, magic trick.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Irene Dubois]

That's fun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like. Like, no one's done magic. Or like, step on it with the toes.

[Irene Dubois]

I'm at the point now where I think I have. Because, you know, you're you. Once you reach a certain level of success in drag, you've, like, proven yourself. You have a lot more fun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know what you mean. Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

You can have more fun and there's more room to play.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

So I. My most recent talent show, I took it seriously. If I ever went back and had to do another talent show, I would take the piss again.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

Because I think part of the problem was that they weren't familiar enough with me to understand that I'm taking the piss fully.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What did they think you were doing? Just fucking dicking around up there?

[Irene Dubois]

They Thought I was trying to make them belly laugh, but I was more trying to be anti humor. Yeah, they got it, but they didn't like it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Gotcha.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Also, I don't think a Beth from Iowa would be. What's different?

[Irene Dubois]

Cities liked it. So there are cities that liked it. San Fran, Brooklyn, Chicago, and London liked it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Because they're all, like. They're all familiar with conceptual performance art.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Don't mind this.

[Irene Dubois]

Shouldn't. Shouldn't have done conceptual performance art on Drag Race.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, what's. What's.

[Irene Dubois]

Unless you're Jimbo.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Jimbo. Or who's the girl that gave her. Who jumped in the toaster bath?

[Irene Dubois]

Willow pill.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Willow pill.

[Irene Dubois]

Which a lot of people thought that I was trying to, like, piggyback off of her, which.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

How water.

[Irene Dubois]

Just different. Just being different. You know, when there's so many girls who are doing the same thing, just not doing that puts you in a category question, though.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Where the fuck did they get all these props from? I know they didn't bring it from home.

[Irene Dubois]

They give you a $500 budget of stuff that you can order for the show. I mean, All Stars talent show, they're building set pieces and equipment.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Look at. Look at Pheromone. She had a whole Crystal Connors goddess set up.

[Irene Dubois]

I think she paid for that. Okay, but, boss, did you see the talent show with Bosco on my season of All Stars?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did I.

[Irene Dubois]

She has a. It touched me.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. This fly is coming to get us. People on the 405 that want to know what we're talking about. We got a fly in the studio, and it's just really terrorizing us. It's really. It's really kind of throwing a wrench in the chemistry. That's. If you notice, we were a little bit.

[Irene Dubois]

I'm over here having a really hard time with this, actually.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We're really. It's really going downhill.

[Irene Dubois]

They built her a full platform that spins so that she could get on a chair, get into the splits on the chair and be spinning around.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's fair.

[Irene Dubois]

What's. What she asked for? Okay, well, I would ask for a spinning block.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What if I asked for a pink Corvette that shoots me into the moon?

[Irene Dubois]

Maybe they would have built you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what I mean? I don't know.

[Irene Dubois]

Have you seen Dita Von Teese's show in Vegas?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have seen. I've not in Vegas, but I've seen it here in LA when she drives.

[Irene Dubois]

The car onto the stage, and that car is Rhinestoned.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have seen that. She is, she is truly spectacular. What do you think about her?

[Irene Dubois]

Wish I could be her.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And you know, she is human and, and it's not Cirque du Soleil but like it's, it's kind of. It's perfect.

[Irene Dubois]

It's perfect. It's the best show I've ever seen.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right? I mean it's, it's sensational. Like when. Oh my God, this people on the 101. We gotta fly. We gotta fly in the studio.

[Irene Dubois]

All these local LA references. I feel like a local.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We can't, we can't, we can't neglect to, to keep in mind that people are not always watching.

[Irene Dubois]

We gotta describe what's happening. I'm sorry that you can't see me.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, she looks incredible. She's doing mixed metallic. She's doing stone fishnets.

[Irene Dubois]

I have nails ab.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's got, got nails on. She doesn't even need body makeup because her skin is so perfect.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh my God. And guess how old I am.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

38. 28. 21. 22. How old are you really?

[Irene Dubois]

I'm 32.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

32. You like being 32? How do you feel? What age do you feel?

[Irene Dubois]

I feel 25.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

25. How old do you feel body wise? Very much older than I actually am and like emotionally way younger than I should feel.

[Irene Dubois]

I know why that is.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what I mean? Like I feel, I don't even get into it. It sounds so, so gross. When I wake up, I waddle and I like groan and I croak and I creak and it's rotten.

[Irene Dubois]

Is your still in my is I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Have the of a third grader mama.

[Irene Dubois]

Perfect.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. She's like.

[Irene Dubois]

That's the thing, that's the one thing about aging that I'm scared of.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What? Getting your fucking blown out Cow pussy dragging on the floor like diapers on.

[Irene Dubois]

Having a tail that looks like the aliens in her mouth.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I have, I have a lovely little suggestion for you. Don't get fudgeing double fisted at Folsom every other fucking day.

[Irene Dubois]

I haven't, I haven't bottomed in years.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But then why do you feel like your pussy?

[Irene Dubois]

It just happens, doesn't it?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, it doesn't just happen.

[Irene Dubois]

People's assholes just fall out.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They.

[Irene Dubois]

You got to screw it back in.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If you're not getting your. If you're not getting the ottoman from CB2 shoved up there, you don't have to worry about it.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, I actually have some questions for you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hold on. These drapes go with this. Know that I. Listen. I got friends who are anal explorers of the most Olympic spelunkers. I mean, they wrote the book on it, and they got to worry about diapers before they turn 50. But that's another. That's another story for another time.

[Irene Dubois]

I'm happy that you're.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't get. I don't. Bottom. Really?

[Irene Dubois]

It's gross. Get out of there.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's not. I mean, it can be very gross. It's like you poop out of there, mama.

[Irene Dubois]

That's not what makes it gross. Oh, it's your inside me. I don't want you in there.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, wow.

[Irene Dubois]

That's my private business.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That sounds like. That sounds like a barrier to intimacy. That's emotional, probably.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, wait, wait. Let's go back To.

[Irene Dubois]

So let's talk about the trauma.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Let's go back to the trauma. So, so pink.

[Irene Dubois]

We talk about it anymore, I'm gonna.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Have to buy spinning chairs, a whole prop setup. When I was on there, you just had to go out there and do something. Now I know y' all were riding.

[Irene Dubois]

Tricycles compared to what is required now.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, mama, there were no tricycles. It was. Y' all were like, did not have any props.

[Irene Dubois]

Y' all were. Waka waka.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There were no props. There was a microphone if you wanted it.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And that was it. There was nothing else.

[Irene Dubois]

There was just that rudimentary.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Just that fucking greased up steel stage. Hot. Do you. Do you. Would you. Would you. Sorry, Sorry. Would you. Would you agree with me when I say that that main stage is greased up solid steel? I think slippery.

[Irene Dubois]

Everyone who saw the finale of my All Stars season will know that I definitely feel like it is greased. The floor.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can we get a Marley for floor? Can we get a. Where's Misre?

[Irene Dubois]

Can they sweep it in between episodes?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That wouldn't help when you have greased up steel with steel brackets.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, I did a lip sync.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Steel square.

[Irene Dubois]

I did a lip sync on episode two and glass bugle beads got everywhere and got shattered. And Bosco was bleeding profusely because she got naked. And when we came to rehearse the next day for the next episode, the glass bugle beads were still everywhere. Love it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was like, oh, that's the attention to detail that you really count on for World of Wonderful. Yeah, I. The way that I hate that fucking main stage is you cannot.

[Irene Dubois]

It's beautiful, I guess, especially the new one with the video projection screens.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, that's not on the. That's not on the floor.

[Irene Dubois]

No, the floor. But who's looking at the floor?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Everybody. Because they're looking at your feet while.

[Irene Dubois]

You'Re walking, sniffing your toes like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like they're looking at. They're looking at you. And the way that you are. The way that you are walking is directly informed by the surface of the floor that you are walking on.

[Irene Dubois]

Look, it's a slippery floor. And let me tell you one thing about me, Katya. I'm going to fall. I'm a falling bitch. And so I struggle every single time I. Every time I step out on that stage, I almost fall. It's crazy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What was the first. What was the. What was the first pass of the first time you ever walked the main stage? What was it like? Do you remember it?

[Irene Dubois]

Hideous.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What did you remember Thinking, like, why.

[Irene Dubois]

Didn'T I get to rehearse this?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Thank you, people. They're on the 110 right now. We're both thinking the same thing.

[Irene Dubois]

Why didn't I get to rehearse this?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why don't they give us. In my. My head, I was like, so I know that they're trying to, like, I know that all of this withholding of information is of a purpose. It's the game, right? The shock, the awe, the nerves. This is all trying to be manufactured, ratcheted up for high and, like, for the. The greatest degree of entertainment possible. However, it feels a little cruel. I still think it's cruel. And I also think it's kind of. Doesn't make that much sense.

[Irene Dubois]

I get it in the sense of.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you want everybody to slip?

[Irene Dubois]

Well, that's the thing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Irene Dubois]

I get it in the sense of we're making a TV show and we don't have time for anything but what needs to be on camera.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, give me a fucking break.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They got plenty of time.

[Irene Dubois]

But I also would have loved to have even seen it before stepping out in my very first Runway look in 8 inch platform heels.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Especially when it's like. Because having seen the show does nothing to prepare you for what the reality of the show actually is. Let me tell you that. Because that stage, I can't. I can't stress this enough. I'm like, it's basically the water country over there.

[Irene Dubois]

It's made out of banana peels.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's made out of banana peels. It is. They grease it down with, like, hair, with that olive oil hairspray, like, between each contestant.

[Irene Dubois]

Do you think it's like a part of. It's like American Ninja Warrior where they're like, no, you have to survive this test.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That would be interesting. And I would be on board for that. Because then you're, like, ready. You know what I mean? Like, you're like. Thighs are gripped and you're like, you're like. But instead, you, like, you try to be pussy and you're like, it's impossible. And then you're like, oh, my God. And then you start panicking halfway down, and they're so close to you, the judges.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, you feel that way.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God. I was like, they were up my ass.

[Irene Dubois]

Like, where are they?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I felt like they were. I felt as soon as I got on, I was like, Covid.

[Irene Dubois]

They changed it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They might have.

[Irene Dubois]

They might have.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They might have. Back in the day, I know the set on the Set on the UK version was a little bit different. I, I.

[Irene Dubois]

Were you on uk?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was there for a day doing something and I just got to peek at it and it was like a little bit different. But the one way back when I thought it was tiny compared to what I.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, when I watch the old seasons and I look at the judges panel, they are this close to each other on that panel now they're all stretched apart. You know what I mean? They're seated far and there's only four of them. They used to be like closer than we are now.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, when I was. Yeah, I mean, I would. They were like this, this, this.

[Irene Dubois]

This is like up in each other's pussies.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Because they could do this. They would just do.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, like that. Or they hold the fan in front of the face.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. But anyways, we were right there and then I. Tracy reminded me that you do two passes.

[Irene Dubois]

Not always.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Really? Oh, yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

On All Stars, we mostly did one.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Really? I wonder if that's true.

[Irene Dubois]

And it would be without music. So most of our runways were without music.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. I'm not sure if you did this and I'm sorry if you did, but I would like to suggest all contestants in the future just walk the Runway. Just walk it.

[Irene Dubois]

Instead of skipping.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Let's not do Charlie Chaplin. No.

[Irene Dubois]

Walk a walk on the Runway.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Let's not do like. Let's not do like arm animals or. Let's not do like. Did you do that? Were you like a. Were you like a. Oh, I, I. Was that you?

[Irene Dubois]

I came out in an outfit dressed as an angel.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. Did you do this?

[Irene Dubois]

Well, my real arms were in the wings.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Irene Dubois]

And I had fake arms, so I was in fact flapping my wings.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's a little bit different.

[Irene Dubois]

Is it?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, I'm talking like a person who's like dressed as like a fierce woman. Right. And they were just like doing bits up there.

[Irene Dubois]

You don't like a bit.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I hate them.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, you're very.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm very traditional.

[Irene Dubois]

What do we have in common?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Nothing.

[Irene Dubois]

You're an old school queen.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

If you're not wearing nails, you're not in uniform.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I don't give a shit about nails. I just give a shit about what you're doing with the hands that nails supposed to be.

[Irene Dubois]

You don't like this? Know like a little.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, I'm. I can't get. I. I just. If you know what I would be, I would be the guest judge with a Glock. And if they Pointed to where they're going to walk. I'm shooting that finger off. Period. Yeah. Slay point again. Yeah. I would have a BB gun.

[Irene Dubois]

I call my boyfriend BB Gun Kelly because he's short and covered in tattoos. It looks like a small machine Gun Kelly. He's BB Gun Kelly.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's funny. Oh, my God. So, yeah. So you're like a. You're a mugger. You're like a. A bit doer. You're like. You're like a.

[Irene Dubois]

No, I'm a big, uncomfortable man.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. You don't ever want. I just miss the days of just being Miss Pussy when they were in small clothes. Not necessarily. I mean, I'm thinking about, like, Naomi Smalls.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm thinking about Violet.

[Irene Dubois]

So give me an example of someone you hate. Say their name.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's. It's like. Oh, gosh. It's who. It's like every season, it's like. I feel like it's like maybe that's just more that. That hokey pageant thing. I'm like the, like. Like Chanel. That's like a hokey pageant thing. That's way before Drag Race. That's the whole, like.

[Irene Dubois]

That's modeling your gown.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes, exactly. That's like evening gown competition.

[Irene Dubois]

You're scored.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Exactly. Like, you're doing this, you're doing that. I'm thinking, who does it? It's like, maybe Thorgy. Not really Thorgy, but, like, I wish I had a good example. I'm sorry. Don't.

[Irene Dubois]

It's fine. I just wanted you to talk about someone on the pod.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know. I'm trying to think. Maybe Tina Burner. Maybe it's not Tina Burner. Who the fuck does it? Do you not know what I'm talking about?

[Irene Dubois]

No one in this room but me watches the show.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's like, I think, like, you don't know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this. Yes. I'm gonna talk about. Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

Demonstrate. Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, God, she looks a fucking mess, dude. Oh, you're talking about Utica.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes, yes, yes. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Thank you. Now, let me be very clear. Weird.

[Irene Dubois]

Weird.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I am weird.

[Irene Dubois]

I get it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Shut it the down, like, tick tock just starts. And they're doing all those. Like, the couples are doing it in the mirror. They're doing their. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that being said, what irked me so much about Utica was that she would be wearing the most incredible things.

[Irene Dubois]

She lost out on challenge wins because of her Runway presentation.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God. I mean, that first costume construction episode. Best thing ever produced on Drag Race, period, point blank.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, now she's on Project Runway.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know. And as well she should be that level. I was like, damn, that was such a disproportionate.

[Irene Dubois]

No, I. I think, you know, there's. There's been. Looks like there's this. There's this one, like, jumpsuit with, like, this 60s ball. I think it's like a hello Kitty jumpsuit with, like, a 60s blonde.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God. The one. And then with the. With the pearls, I completely.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, another sleeping ball.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, the second that. I mean, besides that one, which obviously is the best one, I. I can't believe I forgot about that. I'm just so humble. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Can you. Can you imagine? Not only was I, like, mugging and doing bits, I had completely lost my mind, obviously.

[Irene Dubois]

Lost.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, gone. Yeah. It was dead crazy. The implication you had it, like, what is she computing? Like, she's like, is she from the future or the past? She's computing, like, the luggage. How much the luggage is going to cost on the way home. Because she's going right to the airport. She's putting in the GPS to lax. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Irene Dubois]

Do you ever feel like some girls are like, I'm ready to go. I'm gonna bomb this because I'm done.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. That was 100% me. I. I wanted. I needed to go home. Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

It was over, and I was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm not saying that to, like, as a. Like, I, like, as an exc. Or what do you call that, like, when you really tried, but you want to pretend like you didn't because you lost.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, I knew I was saving face. Exactly. There was no face to be saved. I was like, get me the fuck out of here. Because I was actually, like, very, very unwell. So the. Anyway, so utica. Like that. I hated that so much because, God, it's just like, let the outfit.

[Irene Dubois]

Let the outfit speak.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because it's like, we just want to hear her talk. You should.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, because I think the. The. The thing that you're picking up on is the fact that they don't have the confidence to let the outfit speak. And watching someone be not confident is uncomfortable.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Bam. 100%. That's. And also, it's like, there's the. The further. There's the dissonance because it's like, well, why the lack of confidence? Because the talent is so clearly there. It's like.

[Irene Dubois]

Which means that you're an Insecure person. And insecure people make me uncomfortable.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There you go. And also. But here, Another thing that is probably not very well considered is that modeling is not easy.

[Irene Dubois]

It's way harder.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It looks easy when you walk. You're on your fucking.

[Irene Dubois]

Like, when I'm doing it, I'm like, this is so. Like, it doesn't take any work. Like, I'm so good at this. And then I watch someone else do it, I'm like, oh, it really is.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

A skill that I have that I was born with and that I'm like, I just.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, it's like an innate thing that I'm just born to do. And other people aren't like. It's just. They don't have it in the way.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That I have it. And you. I mean, and you're so humble. You always forget that when you walk in a room, everybody just quits. Right? You know, because you're like, well, why is everybody leaving the room? And I don't have a chance.

[Irene Dubois]

I'm so used to it at this point that I don't. It doesn't even register me as.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know, it's just because I'm so good, Right? Yeah. No, you. You know, you're on your fucking. Your fat asses on the phone, watching Naomi Campbell on Instagram, and. And you're like, how hard could that be?

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, walking.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Very difficult. Mary. When every. Every time me and Trixie do a photo shoot, I swear to God, it's the first time I've ever been in front of a camera. Right?

[Irene Dubois]

You forgot what your body.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Bam, bam, bam.

[Irene Dubois]

And I'm like, have you seen the model? The. The Chinese model who does a new pose every second? Yeah, that's me at a photo shoot. I'm like, let's get me out of this outfit.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. I don't know how to do. Because I have that kind of face where it's like 35 degrees to the left. It's beautiful. 37 degrees to the left. It's disgusting. Like, interesting. It's hard. It's like. She's got a mask on, right? She's got a mask on. All she has to do is make.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure her eyes are open, which is difficult.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like. Like, she's just. There's no expression. She's got a kabuki mask on. I. I have, like, a. You know, something else. So. Okay, so eliminated first. Ultimate humiliation. Almost killed yourself then.

[Irene Dubois]

I will say I never considered sue of Sides unaliving myself.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know, this is not. I'm not talking. I'm not exaggerating. I did.

[Irene Dubois]

I watched the. I watched the pod about episode two, which is crazy to already be on the ledge on episode two.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The ledge was only four feet. Four floors.

[Irene Dubois]

They saw the psyche Val and said second floor, fourth.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was on floor four. I wouldn't even have broken an ankle.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, no, I don't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I would not even have broken an ankle.

[Irene Dubois]

Sometimes doing bad on Drag Race is a blessing because you get to show what you are good at. Which is for you lip syncing to an Olivia Newton John song.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, you know what's funny is that I just recently found out she had. During the year that I was born, physical was number one.

[Irene Dubois]

That is crazy. What year was that?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

1982 in May. And then what else? I love rock and roll was the number one song on the day I was born. Huh. Yeah. Joan Jett.

[Irene Dubois]

I don't even know what mine was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because it's control group. Tell your date of birth.

[Irene Dubois]

93 July. 93.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

July what? 6th, 7, 6. 93. It's every breath you take by the police. Oh, the stalker song. Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

Every year Every orgasm you fake I'll.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Be watching Every ass you blow that's where I will go I'll be watching it always on my mind. Wow. There's a theme. There's a theme.

[Irene Dubois]

Freaky.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Is that always on my mind? Oh, that was impractical Magic. That's creepy song. What is your favorite movie?

[Irene Dubois]

Alien.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What's your second favorite movie? Alien. I was. I was like. I wanted to like. I. I wanted a con flat with you earlier, but of course, course I was late that. I want to have a questionnaire where you just go down every single thing is the most obvious Alien movie. Alien Resurrection.

[Irene Dubois]

It actually is Alien though. I love that movie.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Independence Day. No. What is your favorite Alien movie?

[Irene Dubois]

Let's go down Alien.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The first.

[Irene Dubois]

The first. The first one is amazing. The second one is good. The rest up to Romulus Art. They're not trash. They're a hard watch sometimes though.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I mean I don't have to tell you miss the. You know, Ms. Alien. But like the. The cool thing is that in the first one you don't really even see her until like 45 minutes into the film.

[Irene Dubois]

It's scary.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's scary. There's a lot of tension.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, it's a horror movie, right? Yeah, it's. And it's body horror and there's. There's sexual non consent elements to it that are horrifying. Like you've been impregnated. Impregnated against your will. And that is terrifying to me. And then the second one is a little campier. And then the third one is a hot ass mess.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And then the first one is kind of a masterpiece.

[Irene Dubois]

A masterpiece? A masterpiece.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it's like one of those things that's. That less is more. Like don't show. Don't like draw it out, but don't make it boring. It's like. Because you really don't get a good payoff until like an hour in or something.

[Irene Dubois]

Right. And the tension keeps ratcheting up because people are disappearing. Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a perfect movie.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's great.

[Irene Dubois]

I also like 2001 A Space Odyssey.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, that's. Now that is a slow burn for these tiktokers at home. They're never going to. They wouldn't last a minute.

[Irene Dubois]

They could if they had Subway Surfer playing beneath it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Subway what?

[Irene Dubois]

Subway Surfer.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What is that?

[Irene Dubois]

It's like there's tiktoks where they show a clip, but half of the screen is the clip and half of the screen is someone playing this game on an app so that there's something to watch when the clip gets slow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's like fucking twitch.

[Irene Dubois]

Totally.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, I'm going to go down a list of movies to tell me if you like them or not. Mars Attacks.

[Irene Dubois]

It's a good movie. It's fine. It's fine.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's fine. In terms of Tim Burton's oeuvre, what do you think his best movie is?

[Irene Dubois]

I really like his claymation movies. Shockingly.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Was that Frankie Weenie? No.

[Irene Dubois]

Might be. No, no, that's not him. But he did Corpse Bride and Nightmare Before Christmas.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, those ones.

[Irene Dubois]

Okay, honestly, I watched Nightmare Before Christmas last year. It's bad movie. Oh, bad, bad movie. Talk about it. Beautiful visuals.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Talk about it.

[Irene Dubois]

Story so slow. Pacing abysmal. Really?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Really? Okay, I'm gonna go rewatch it because.

[Irene Dubois]

You'Re gonna sit there and be like, why is this a classic bad movie?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, he really flopped. He. He. He dropped off and flopped off hard.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, the Alice in Wonderlands are garbagio.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. I recently watched Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Love.

[Irene Dubois]

Sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's a great, great, great. And it's like, you know, it's like an honesty movie.

[Irene Dubois]

Trying to get me to watch the. His documentary Peewee.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah, I watched that.

[Irene Dubois]

Is it amazing?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's pretty good. I wouldn't say it's amazing, but it's pretty good. And the. But, man, oh man. What? What? Really fucking biffed so hard. Oh, Beetlejuice Oh, Beetlejuice.

[Irene Dubois]

One is bad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm gonna fight you to the.

[Irene Dubois]

No, no, no. Have you watched it recently?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have. I'm gonna fight you. It takes forever. Where is Beetlejuice?

[Irene Dubois]

He takes forever to get there.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I think you got something wrong with your brain, Mary, because that.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, I'm the one here who has something wrong. Turn the wig around.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Turn it around.

[Irene Dubois]

Actually, it kind of looks good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

About that.

[Irene Dubois]

It's very Brooklyn. Very Bushwick.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, is it? I just need, like, three people.

[Irene Dubois]

You make a matcha latte. Fiercely.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But, like, it takes me 15 minutes.

[Irene Dubois]

Now it's Venice Beach.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, Venice.

[Irene Dubois]

Venice.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What do you think about Lana Del Rey?

[Irene Dubois]

Like, her old stuff.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We just high five everybody on the two.

[Irene Dubois]

We're bros.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, wait, hold on. Let me just.

[Irene Dubois]

Her first two albums.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, let's. All right, we're gonna steer. Let's. Tim Burton. Let's talk about Lana.

[Irene Dubois]

I like how sad she was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, wait, back to Tim Burton.

[Irene Dubois]

Sorry.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice really made me angry, Angie. Girl angry. Because I. The only. The only, like, clever thing about it I thought was. And was making Delia a performance artist. I thought that that was very clever.

[Irene Dubois]

I haven't seen it, so.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, well, it's. Girl.

[Irene Dubois]

If they did that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That does seem so. Lana.

[Irene Dubois]

Lana.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We're almost out of time, but we're going to go over because I was late. Lana, tell me, favorite album. What is your appreciation of Lana? When did it start? Has it waned? What's the timeline of your. Lana.

[Irene Dubois]

Right after I started having sex, which was bottoming in college. Sad, because it was always terrible. Singing about men who aren't respectful and have unrequited love. Born to die.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Born to die. So. So. First album.

[Irene Dubois]

First album. When it came out, I was on Tumblr, so I was on the cutting edge.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Irene Dubois]

And literally. Yeah, you chopping it up.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God. We're talking about self harm. Okay, the chopped.

[Irene Dubois]

You chopped it up. Have you not seen that?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I've seen it. Okay. There's this famous clip of Lana greeting fans after a show. And one girl clearly has self harm scars on her, on her arms. And she's like, what are you chopping it up?

[Irene Dubois]

And the fan goes, no, ma'. Am.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which is funny. My tattoos cover a ton of chopping marks.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, how dark.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, come on. Like I said, 13. Drinking blood.

[Irene Dubois]

My boyfriend has a couple, and the first time I saw him, I went, will you stop for me?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We. Are they on the inner thigh. Oh, that. That is for me, like, this is like. So. That is, to me, is like a bridge too far. Oh, well.

[Irene Dubois]

Because it's okay if you can see them.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no. Because that's a cry for help. Ouchy.

[Irene Dubois]

I think there's less sensation there, and then you can hide.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That is 100% not true.

[Irene Dubois]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God.

[Irene Dubois]

Are you guys sensing the little thighs?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Your forearms you could literally take out.

[Irene Dubois]

I have tattoos on my forearms. This hurt like a bitch.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no. 4. I'm talking the top here.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You could hack off my forearm and I wouldn't feel anything. You want to take a little needle to my inner thigh? I'm gonna slap.

[Irene Dubois]

It's not the end. It's like the top of the thigh.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I know. Most people I know do this because it's. It's less visible. They're thinking ahead.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, I wasn't thinking.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I wasn't. No, I was just like.

[Irene Dubois]

You were like. Please, someone put me in therapy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, so when did it drop off for you with Lana?

[Irene Dubois]

After paradise, the next album that came out. I was like, whatever. Ultra Violence, Ultraviolet. I like songs on it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Irene Dubois]

Especially West Coast.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

West coast beautiful.

[Irene Dubois]

The Way it changes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Fabulous song.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wes, I think. I think the. I wish she still. Well, I don't think she would anymore, but what a missed opportunity for her to do an album of covers.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, God. Because her voice is so much the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

One time that that sublime cover, I think is. It is one of the best songs ever recorded.

[Irene Dubois]

She has such a deep voice that she could really do any of these, like, really, like, late 80s, early 90s moaning guys.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or classic rock. All classic rock covers.

[Irene Dubois]

What's the Morrissey Band? The Smiths.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The Smiths would love to hear Tom Petty, Eric Clapton. Imagine if she did Tears in Heaven.

[Irene Dubois]

Ooh. What about a Led Zeppelin song?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Absolutely.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or. Or even Leonard Skynyrd. That smell. Can't you smell that smell? The smell of death surrounds you. I mean, if she. That in your mouth. No, but I'm ser. I'm totally serious. I'm dead serious. If she did like the Doors. Are you kidding me?

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, and she already is Van Morrison when they're.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, like that. Like, she would. She would just, like, bust open the door to a whole new appreciation.

[Irene Dubois]

Hopefully. She takes. Of course she.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah. No, she's listening. I know. She's listening to 70s classic rock.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah. Down.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's got the Alligator boyfriend or whatever.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, my God. What a freakazoid.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, but I'm. She would. Oh, my God.

[Irene Dubois]

Would you ever Marry a not famous person.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, it's the only kind of person I would ever marry.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, you'd never fuck a famous person?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I would fuck a famous person, sure, but I would never marry one.

[Irene Dubois]

You don't be in a relationship with someone who understands what you're going through.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, really?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I would never marry an actor.

[Irene Dubois]

You have to be the star.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no. I have to be the one on camera. Yeah, if you can't, you cannot have two people who are both in front of the camera.

[Irene Dubois]

What are you talking about? That's like how most Hollywood relationships are.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And that's how most Hollywood relationships. Sure, I would say, like, you can marry a grip. A producer. A.

[Irene Dubois]

A best boy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, Best that turns into a best man that.

[Irene Dubois]

You know, it's the title of the person.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. No, but like, I. I mean, just think about it. Like, two stars.

[Irene Dubois]

Powerhouse.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, like, especially gay. Two of the same gender. Off.

[Irene Dubois]

I mean, like Lydia and Corey Kane.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Who the is that are you? They are Sister dicking.

[Irene Dubois]

They're in a very public relationship and they vlog together in drag.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

See, there you go. Tick tock, Clarice, tick tock. And they're.

[Irene Dubois]

They're. They're greater than the sum of their parts. You know what I mean? Kind of like you and Trixie where.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It'S like, I think I'm throw up.

[Irene Dubois]

You've created something that is greater than the sum of your parts. You know what that means?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Let's get back to Lana.

[Irene Dubois]

Okay, whatever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't.

[Irene Dubois]

I came on this podcast to talk about me.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Grab your cards about questions. You know what? Let's do it. We're going to do a rapid fire. We're going to do rapid fire. Okay, if not alien, what profession would Irene be? The cashier? The proctologist.

[Irene Dubois]

I was going to say proctologist.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The proctologist. That does not exist, by the way.

[Irene Dubois]

I'd be digging up in your ass.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There's a fake profession.

[Irene Dubois]

Really?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. When have you.

[Irene Dubois]

Or what's the OB GYN?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's a. What's the OB GYN? That'S a gynecologist.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, gynecologist. I'd be a gynecologist.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What's the OB GYN again?

[Irene Dubois]

Up. Netflix.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What were your initial thoughts of the tournament twist on All Stars?

[Irene Dubois]

Loved it. That means I didn't have to worry about getting eliminated and not being on episodes again because I already did that and I didn't need to do that again.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There you go. Do you think we should bring back Mal Drag. Like season two, Jujubee Drag. Yeah.

[Irene Dubois]

There's a drag queen who is bringing back Mall Drag, and she has a show called Mall Drag. And I want to shout her out. Her name is Miss. Miss Mamshi. You would love her.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Miss. Ma'. Am.

[Irene Dubois]

She.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Miss Mamshee.

[Irene Dubois]

Miss Mamshee. She's in Brooklyn, New York. She has a show called Mall Drag that she tours with. So if it comes to your city, go see it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You will be. You'll be wowed with her camisoles and slacks and jump heels. Fabulous.

[Irene Dubois]

Little. Little like this hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We need a. We need. We do need a reset because this.

[Irene Dubois]

Is like, it's too much.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, I was. I was talking with somebody about going back on some kind of All Stars thing, and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I would get that list and I would just kill myself. I. I mean, I don't.

[Irene Dubois]

Well, no one's going to the Katya show to see what you wear.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, that's like. I know that's a joke, but it's also kind of like.

[Irene Dubois]

It's not a joke, you know?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know, but like, you have to like, sparkle, Neely, sparkle. Like, you got to make an effort because you have to, like. There's a big responsibility whether you, like, take yourself seriously or not. If you're gonna go on the show, you have to, like, bring it. And I couldn't even. I couldn't bring one thing. Do you know what I mean? Like, I just.

[Irene Dubois]

You have nice drag.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I don't, but it's two. It's. I have one pair of nice shoes that took me three weeks to Rhines.

[Irene Dubois]

That's all I have.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not, it's not, it's not. It's not the vibe. What made you do the move from Texas to Seattle?

[Irene Dubois]

Texas sucks ass.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Really? Yeah. All cities. What about Dallas?

[Irene Dubois]

It's the worst one.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, no. I went to college. Dallas, Texas, baby. 213.

[Irene Dubois]

I went to college in Dallas. It's 214.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Two, one, four. Oh, you're right. Two, one, four.

[Irene Dubois]

Witness.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Homo. Erica Badu. All right. When did you find out you could juggle? And can you please do it now? We don't have time. How does it feel to be the first queen in Drag Race herstory to quote Sun Tzu on the show? Did you quote the Art of Warren show?

[Irene Dubois]

Uh huh.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Fierce.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What did you say?

[Irene Dubois]

When your opponent is at their weakest, that's when you strike.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God. So fierce. Yes. Pai May taught you the five point.

[Trixie Mattel]

Palm exploding heart technique.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. Bosco tweeted that lip syncing to Pocketbook featuring Ludacris by Jennifer Hudson was a humiliation ritual. Does that also resonate with you?

[Irene Dubois]

No, because I'm from Houston.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay?

[Irene Dubois]

Houston.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't love her. She's.

[Irene Dubois]

No one loves her.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's too big. It's car dependent.

[Irene Dubois]

It's just nothing like la.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, that's fair.

[Irene Dubois]

I just clocked you fiercely so.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Fair. That's fair, that's fair. Everybody on the 402. We're. We're fighting. Do you still put people's phones in your mouth when you perform?

[Irene Dubois]

I don't think I ever. Oh, yeah, no, I do.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, like a. How do you. Like, like, are we talking Nokia? Like the 2001 Nokias or like iPhones?

[Irene Dubois]

If someone's recording me and they're like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

A Pro Max 16. Jesus Christ. Well, you know who put fucking people's feet in her mouth?

[Irene Dubois]

Nina West.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, I didn't say it.

[Irene Dubois]

What's your Taco bell order number? 7 quesadilla with a taco and a drink.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. Do you like cheese?

[Irene Dubois]

Do I like cheese? Oh, baby, you better believe my shits are slow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What? What does that mean?

[Irene Dubois]

When you eat cheese, it slows your shit.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. That's why I blast. Okay. Gotta blast. What gives you. In this day and age, in these troubling times, what gives you full body chills?

[Irene Dubois]

Full body chills? Seeing. Oh, God. I have a sincere answer. Is that okay?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, we'll move on. What's something that makes you say, work at Hunty Diva Boots?

[Irene Dubois]

Aja performing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. Okay. Fierce. You lost lip syncs to trans women. What does it feel like to be the ultimate ally?

[Irene Dubois]

It's just. It's what I have. It's my responsibility as a CIS gendered male presenting. He. Him pronoun having person in this day and age.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Shit sucking, bootlicking piece of trashy. Yeah. Yes. Okay, that's it, actually. Let's go. I would like to hear your sincere answer. I think everybody else would. What is something that gives you full body chills?

[Irene Dubois]

It's just seeing how this administration's policies are affecting the mental health of the trans people in my life.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

For the better, right? Yeah. How they're. I mean, their help. It's. It's when the government finally helps people. It's really inspiring.

[Irene Dubois]

Totally.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's horrible. So you're thinking chills, like, oh, that's horrible.

[Irene Dubois]

It's freaking me out.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, I was thinking she was like, oh, good.

[Irene Dubois]

Oh, what gives me good full body chills. But we can do both. A twink with a fat ass.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. Okay. Another rapid fire. Quick, quick, quick. Rapid fire. What is. What is the sound that you love? What is the sound that you hate?

[Irene Dubois]

Styrofoam.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh. What is your favorite curse word?

[Irene Dubois]

Cunt.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Cunt. If heaven exists, it doesn't. Shut up. No. If heaven exists, when you die, what would you like God to say to you as you arrive at the pearly gates?

[Irene Dubois]

You did your best.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. All right. Irene the motherfucking Alien. Everybody give it up for Irene Ndubois, the Alien.

[Irene Dubois]

Thank you for having me. We got you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This was such a fun time. Thank. Thanks for being here. And I. Once again, I'm sorry that I'm late, but you see how tan I am. I couldn't help it.

[Irene Dubois]

It was worth it, honestly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Irene Dubois]

Yeah, we had to take the time to install the hair. I mean, that's your natural hair going out of your head.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It truly. It's somebody's natural hair.

[Irene Dubois]

Should we finish the pod by scalping ourselves?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, sure.

[Irene Dubois]

Ready?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

One, two, three.

[Irene Dubois]

Thank you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Irene Dubois]

Uh, limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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