Kelly Mantle Demands More Glamour and Less Clamor with Trixie

Summary

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The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya

Episode: Kelly Mantle Demands More Glamour and Less Clamor with Trixie

Date: June 2, 2026
Guests: Kelly Mantle
Host: Trixie Mattel (Katya absent this episode)

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers classic chaotic glamour as Trixie welcomes drag icon, actress, and “epicenter of drag drama,” Kelly Mantle. While Katya is away for surgery (“full body lipo,” Trixie jokes), Trixie and Kelly riff through hilarious LA life stories, celebrity encounters, queer nightlife, drag podcasting, animal antics, and the particular perils of fame and “clamor.” The queens offer heartfelt reflections on drag, share insider gossip, and end with advice on glamour, self-care, and living authentically.
Tone: Highly candid, unfiltered, campy, playful, and riotously funny.

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1. Introducing Kelly Mantle & Absurd LA Tales

(01:31–07:36)

• Trixie improvises a non-traditional intro for Kelly:
  “This is not the Kelly Mantle show… but it kind of is.” (01:31)
• Kelly mocks a Trixie-style intro and launches into wild rideshare stories:
  • Tells of a drunk Uber driver (“For once, I wasn’t the drunk one.” – Kelly, 02:15) and a possibly blind driver.
  • Reflects on the “batshit crazy” or “horny” Uber drivers and the unique dynamic of being in drag around them.
• Banter about the rites of passage for rideshare drivers and supernatural taxi encounters.
• Katya’s absence explained:
  • Trixie jokes about Katya’s surgery: “full body lipo.”
  • Kelly wonders if it’s “the penis enlargement or is she getting it taken off?” (03:44)
• Drag and domesticity:
  • Kelly describes home life (“I am very white trash couples. But very liberal!” – 05:33)
  • Trixie and Kelly riff on hygiene routines and the drag queen lifestyle, including a debate on three-in-one body products.
• Memorable moment:
  • Joking about caring for dentures and family hygiene misadventures.

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2. The “Kelly Mantle Show” & Drag Drama

(07:36–12:33)

• How the podcast became a confessional for drag queens:
  • “The girls come on Kelly Mantle like they’re being given the firing squad tomorrow.” – Trixie, 08:15
  • Kelly: “I think it’s an energy… I love chaos and drama, but I don’t ever cause it.” (08:54)
• Notable discussions:
  • Kelly is dubbed “the Barbara Walters/Wendy Williams of drag,” but insists she just draws out stories without even fishing.
  • Trixie: “We don’t require drag queens to be truth tellers. We’re not the notary public.” (11:01)
  • Both discuss the fine art of drag queens’ storytelling and tall tales.
• Iconic quote:
  • “Let the girls lie. Especially if you’re on my podcast.” – Kelly, 11:12

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3. Working with Icons: RuPaul, Michelle Visage, and “Queen of the Universe”

(12:33–15:07)

• Trixie recounts prepping for “Queen of the Universe” by reading Michelle Visage’s “The Diva Rules.”
• Key insight: Drag Race barely touches Michelle’s fascinating career pre-Ru, which includes ball culture and girl group fame.
• Musical moments remembered:
  • Kelly and Trixie rave about the fierce vocalists on “Queen of the Universe,” especially the French queen performing “La Vie en Rose.”
  • Reminisce about answering machines, beepers, and stoner dealers in 90s Chicago—the “Mar A Lago” strain joke.
• Quote:
  • “I am not a Mar A Lago lady. I would stand out like a sore thumb!” – Kelly, 15:57

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4. Beepers, Birds & Animal Antics

(20:27–25:15)

• Beepers explained, leading to hilarious drug dealer stories and codes (“If they put 911 on it, it meant it was important.” – Kelly, 20:45)
• Smuggling drugs with dogs:
  • “The dog had pockets in its coat. That’s where the drugs were.” – Trixie, 22:07
• Love of animals:
  • Trixie describes a raven eating birds in her fountain (“It sits in my water fountain… and literally eats the bones of other birds while staring in the window at me.” – 23:30)
  • Kelly and Trixie discuss bird rescue, animal adoption, Trixie’s plans to get a macaw, and the joy (and heartbreak) of elderly pets.

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5. Queer Nightlife, Madonna at The Abbey & “More Glamour, Less Clamor”

(42:48–47:20)

• Report from Madonna’s surprise club appearance at The Abbey:
  • Chaos and confusion trying to get to the bar and the bathroom (“I got clamored to get in the door… and into space” – Kelly, 43:52)
  • “Everyone is trying so hard to clamor… we need more glamour, less clamor.” – Kelly, 43:12
  • Luscious, Kylie Sonique, Julia Fox, Eureka, and others’ antics at the party.
  • Kelly is accidentally implicated in Eureka’s ejection from the club.
  • Getting stuck against a barricade, gifted poppers by a “tall drag queen,” and the comic misery of crowded parties.
• Hot take:
  • The difference between attendees in wigs (“if you do not have a wig on you need to be fluffing a pillow …you’re a PA”) and the need for more respect and service to drag performers.

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6. Drug Tales, Club Life, and Aging Out of the Party

(46:46–49:16)

• Quickfire substance confessions:
  • Kelly tries poppers for the first time on Willem’s podcast; describes feeling “free.”
  • Neither Kelly nor Trixie are fans of cocaine or pills: “But you’re such a natural swallow!” – Trixie, 58:17
• Aging and nightlife:
  • Trixie admits she prefers staying home, especially as Pride approaches. “I’ve become so antisocial and I’m starting to feel like I wish I was more…” (47:20)
  • Kelly validates taking time to rest and enjoy one’s success.

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7. Self-Care, Morning Routines & Meditation

(49:16–51:16)

• Trixie and Kelly discuss their morning rituals:
  • Trixie likes to “boot up the machine hours before anybody needs me.”
  • Kelly meditates, stares at a blank wall, listens to new age music to find her center. “It’s so important… be our best. Every time we walk out that door it’s a front line.” – Kelly, 50:04
• Insight:
  • Drag life requires “centering” before facing the world’s chaos.

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8. From Acting to Podcasting & Drag Race Realities

(51:16–57:28)

• Candid look at transitioning from acting to reality/podcast formats:
  • Kelly reflects on the challenge of being herself “on camera” after years of scripted performance:
    • “I never had to be Kelly Mantle on camera before... And that is really difficult to do.” – Kelly, 53:04
  • Trixie’s early drag hosting story—being the nervous new queen handed the mic unexpectedly.
  • RuPaul’s Drag Race as a scary paradigm shift for actors.
  • Notable moment: Trixie mythbusting Kelly’s own narrative that she’s shy—“you’re always hoard out of your mind, talking, drinking, gesturing with a cigarette!” (52:52)
• Reality TV & Housewife analysis:
  • Trixie draws parallels between Housewives and drag podcasters: learning to “be yourself” for an audience is unnatural at first.

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9. Drag Gossip, On-Set Stories & Drag Race Evolution

(57:28–58:03)

• Set-life stories:
  • Kelly’s faux pas trying to direct Drag Race cameramen.
  • Regrets (not-so-joking) about not smuggling booze onto the set; reminiscing about brush cleaner and goody-goody early drag.
  • Discussion of Drag Race contestants “smoking weed all the time” in later seasons—Trixie is horrified, Kelly is game.

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10. Hot Takes: Does Size Matter? & Short/Tall Kings

(58:24–61:04)

• Trixie asks, “Does size matter?”
  • “Absolutely it does,” says Kelly. But for some people, they like small. “To them, that matters.” (58:44)
  • Trixie jokes: “That’s how I am with short kings. That’s not my kingdom.” (59:12)
  • Banter on height dynamics in couples, short kings, tall women, “relationship goals” and TikTok famous couples.

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11. Queer Culture, Drag at the Met Gala & Fashion

(61:15–63:23)

• Drag’s presence (or lack thereof) at the Met Gala:
  • “It was supposed to be turn art into fashion… and you don’t have any drag queens?” – Kelly, 61:25
  • Quick overview of queens who have attended: Simone, Violet, RuPaul (out of drag).
  • Trixie’s fashion event experiences: “None of that is paid… could never be me.” (62:43)
  • Lament over great drag outfits going unworn after an event.

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12. Kelly Mantle Live Shows, Touring, and Community

(63:29–65:48)

• Kelly’s live podcast shows:
  • Announcement of live podcasting; the format includes music, choreography, comedy, and drag stars as guests (“It’s not just a podcast. I open with a song, we have music, John Mark had choreography and dancers” – Kelly, 64:42)
  • “Let’s get together and lift each other up in humor… just live our lives to the fullest.” – Kelly, 65:48
  • Trixie and Katya executive produce Kelly’s show—“We shoot them on these very cameras.” – Trixie, 66:13

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Let the girls lie. Especially if you’re on my podcast.” - Kelly (11:12)
• “More glamour, less clamor.” - Kelly’s rallying cry for queer events (43:12)
• “If you do not have a wig on, you need to be fluffing a pillow. You’re a PA.” - Trixie (43:20)
• “Having a pet get old is a privilege. It means you took really good care, right?” - Trixie (25:11)
• “At the end of the day, the true heart of a slut never leaves a slut… always gonna be a slut through and through.” - Kelly (25:54)
• “We don’t require drag queens to be truth tellers. We’re not the notary public.” - Trixie (11:01)
• “We gotta stick together in these trump-ultuous times.” - Kelly (65:48)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:31 – Wild Uber stories & intro
• 08:09 – The Kelly Mantle Show as drag drama confessional
• 12:33 – Working with Michelle Visage, reading “The Diva Rules”
• 15:07 – Beepers and 90s Chicago drug deals
• 23:30 – Trixie’s raven carnage story
• 25:54 – Slut heart, aging pets reflection
• 43:12 – “More glamour, less clamor”
• 47:20 – Partying less, aging out of nightlife
• 49:16 – Self-care, meditation, and morning rituals
• 53:04 – Acting vs. reality TV/podcasting
• 58:24 – “Does size matter?” segment
• 61:25 – Drag and the Met Gala discussion
• 64:02 – Kelly’s new live podcast tour

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Final Thoughts

This episode melds wild drag storytelling with genuinely heartfelt reflection and cultural critique. Whether unpacking queer fame’s chaos, sharing dirt from drag’s inner sanctum, or, through coughs of laughter and cloud of poppers, dropping wisdom for surviving LA, Trixie and Kelly offer an episode that’s as hilarious as it is authentically themselves.

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[Trixie Mattel]

You guys, this is not the Kelly Mantle Show. We don't have some kind of fabulous typed up perfect intro, but Kelly Mantle is here and so it kind of is the Kelly Mantle Show. So Kelly, what if I gave you an opportunity to introduce yourself the way you do on your own show?

[Kelly Mantle]

Hello, I'm Trixie Mattel. Hello, I'm Trixie Mattel. Hello, I'm Trixie Mattel and this is the bald and beautiful and my name is Katja. How's that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Have you been drinking?

[Kelly Mantle]

No, I haven't been drinking. My Uber driver was drunk though.

[Trixie Mattel]

What do you mean? How can you. Did you breathalyze him?

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, you know what though?

[Kelly Mantle]

He was breath.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know Kelly's backstory.

[Kelly Mantle]

For once, I wasn't a drunk one.

[Trixie Mattel]

How can you tell?

[Kelly Mantle]

Huh?

[Trixie Mattel]

How drunk? Like visibly drunk.

[Kelly Mantle]

I was talking to him and he was slurring all of his words. He was taking wrong turns, he was swerving all over the road. I mean, I live for this. I have the worst.

[Trixie Mattel]

Died for it, honey.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, when it comes to Ubers. But I don't look at it as bad luck because I kind of live for the fact that all of my Uber drivers are batshit crazy or they're

[Trixie Mattel]

really horny for the girls.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, that's true. The drivers, especially at nighttime. Honey, I think we a doll during the day.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. You know, when you get your Uber license, whatever you have to do to be an U. I think there's a seminar they, like a. Like a worship the doll seminar they make you, like, be a part of.

[Kelly Mantle]

Right?

[Trixie Mattel]

Because there's something about the taxi girls, the SUV driving girls, the Uber girls. Girl, they love to look in that rear view and.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, and I felt real good when I got in one night to an Uber and I was leaving precinct, and I was like. I thought he was flirting with me. And then he tells me he's blind. And I was like, I'm offended. Wait a minute. And then he's driving. It hit me. How are you driving? My Uber driver was blind.

[Trixie Mattel]

Listen, a compliment's a compliment, honey. 2026, you're a woman of an advanced age.

[Kelly Mantle]

Hey, no, I'm not.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Kelly Mantle]

I am a little goth girl today, just for you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly walked in, I said, hello, little goth girl.

[Kelly Mantle]

I am your little girl for the day.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, actually, I think this is kind of an homage Kati would wear. She loves a little prairie dress. This is kind of Wednesday tea.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, I want to, you know, it's in honor of Katya. We love Katya. We're sending all of our well wishes. What surgery did she. Is she getting the penis enlargement or is she getting it taken off?

[Trixie Mattel]

I. She hasn't told everybody what she's getting.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I don't want to, like, blow up her spot, but it is full body lipo.

[Kelly Mantle]

Shut up.

[Trixie Mattel]

And, yeah, would you ever go get the full yak? Like, the full, like, like.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, honey, I am long overdue. Can we talk?

[Trixie Mattel]

You think you would really get something like that?

[Kelly Mantle]

I' z zoom in too close. But I am long overdue for Kelly.

[Trixie Mattel]

I actually think you look great.

[Kelly Mantle]

Thank you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Your skin looks incredible. Are you doing something different?

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, I use bleach.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, you don't.

[Kelly Mantle]

And sandpaper at Home Depot.

[Trixie Mattel]

You drink bleach? Do you think semen smells like egg whites and bleach?

[Kelly Mantle]

No. The particular semen that I partake in happens to smell like monster energy drink.

[Trixie Mattel]

Monster energy drink.

[Kelly Mantle]

I'll let you put two and two together. He was in the Marine Corps.

[Trixie Mattel]

Shout out to James. Shout out to James. You guys, I just want you to know, if you're ever having a tough day and you feel like the human race is plotting against you, just know that someone out there is married to and lives with Kelly. Oh, my God, what are you like as a wife? As a roommate?

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, you know, I am so chill.

[Trixie Mattel]

You are?

[Kelly Mantle]

I. I am so chill. I'm not chill when I'm in front of a camera. I'm a ball of nerves.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

But when I'm just lounging at home, you know, I'm giving my Gwen Stefani. Honey, I got my hair up in the well, minus the religious app and the prayer app and all that other bullshit. But I'm talking the look. I got my hair up in a little high pony. Honey, she's wearing little jean cut off Daisy Dukes and a little white feeder. You know, getting around the house and just chilling.

[Trixie Mattel]

You just described like somebody going as white trash for Halloween.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, that's pretty much my life, I have to say. I mean, we are a very white trash couples.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's true.

[Kelly Mantle]

But very liberal.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love James Love. In another timeline, James was like at January 6th.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, honey.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know what I mean?

[Kelly Mantle]

Completely. The sunglasses.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

The wraparound sunglasses on the hat.

[Trixie Mattel]

These colors don't run.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes. Axe Body spray.

[Trixie Mattel]

All three in one body shampoo. All of that.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, does he still do that even? He does. If even he goes ahead and washes it.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know what? I go through phases where I feel like the joke is that straight guys love that. But when I'm on tour, I'm bald. I do like a multi use item. Yeah, I'll use a three in one. Is that horrible? I think we have to bring back the integrity.

[Kelly Mantle]

What are you using on there for? Do you. Do you wash your hair? I mean, do you wash your.

[Trixie Mattel]

My partner has shampoo, so I use it. I think it's more like phantom limb syndrome. I'm just like, oh my gosh.

[Kelly Mantle]

I mean, you sit in the shower and you kind of rub your fingers through it like.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, if you lost all your teeth, you would still brush your gums.

[Kelly Mantle]

Would you?

[Trixie Mattel]

Let's take a break. I don't know, I'm not a dentist.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know, I should ask. Well, my parents have both crossed over, but they both had dentures. I wonder if they brushed their gums.

[Trixie Mattel]

They had dentures.

[Kelly Mantle]

They did.

[Trixie Mattel]

You saw them with the dentures out?

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, yeah. They used to take them to get them cleaned. And then my mom would lose hers all the time. And one time she sit on them and she's like, oh, there they are. Bit me in the ass.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think sometimes people get too comfortable and they like put them in their pocket.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah. Put her in her house coat all the time.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. When I had Invisalign I'd like put it in my jeans pocket or something. And then later be like, I can't find it. I'm like, you do need to put it somewhere.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

You can't just throw it Raw dog in the pocket. Have you always had these perfect teeth?

[Kelly Mantle]

Born with them?

[Trixie Mattel]

These are your stunning, perfect teeth.

[Kelly Mantle]

These were. They were this size when I came out of my mama's Gucci.

[Trixie Mattel]

You were a toothy child.

[Kelly Mantle]

I was a very toothy child. I still am.

[Trixie Mattel]

You chewed your way out. Honey, did you bite your own umbilical cord?

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, I bit my umbilical cord and I threw it in the trash can.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay, I have a question. You're like a serious actress, obviously. And I remember when you started talking.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, I thought you were going to talk about that play. What is that play about? The nun that got pregnant and she had the baby and cut the umbilical cord and put it in the trash can. I can't remember the name of it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Greece.

[Kelly Mantle]

Agnes of God. Oh, and it's also a movie.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've not seen that.

[Kelly Mantle]

Anyway,

[Trixie Mattel]

why would I have talked about that? I have this question because when you started doing the Kelly Mantle show, which has gotten all this breakaway success, now we are going to talk about that because I don't know how you've accidentally become the epicenter of drag drama on your channel, girl.

[Kelly Mantle]

How.

[Trixie Mattel]

What is it about you that these girls come on there and say things. They act like there's no cameras.

[Kelly Mantle]

It's wild.

[Trixie Mattel]

They start telling you things about other drag queens. Girl, I see these clips on TikTok from your show where I'm like, the girls come on Kelly Mantle. Like, it's like they're being given the firing squad tomorrow.

[Kelly Mantle]

Isn't it the truth?

[Trixie Mattel]

It's their tell all.

[Kelly Mantle]

And I am always caught off guard. I have never.

[Trixie Mattel]

Cause you're not even fishing for it.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't fish for it. I never expect it. I think of it as a comedy podcast. And so I try to keep things as light and comedy and surreal and, you know, it's so funny because I see all these things online all the time saying, Kelly Mantle is the Barbara Walters of Dragon. I do love Kelly Manila as the Wendy Williams of drag. I'll take that one. But it's.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think Wendy Williams is the Wendy Williams of drag.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, that's true. She definitely is. But yeah, they get on there sometimes, honey, and they just start. I mean, we've had people cry. I think so many people have cried. And I love these people. I live for It. I think it's an energy. You know, I think it's an energy, and I think that I love chaos and I love drama, but I don't ever cause it. Does that make sense?

[Trixie Mattel]

You're like. You attract it. Yeah, but you're not like the. The instigator of it.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because these girls come on there. I swear to God, you're like, so where were you born? And they're like, you know who I hate? I don't know what it is, Kelly. They, like, pivot to exposing one another.

[Kelly Mantle]

I know. And I'm sitting there with my mouth wide open, honey.

[Trixie Mattel]

The other thing is, you're not even privy to the drama. So, like, something like the Ginger interview you, like, are getting all this truth bombs from her without really even fishing for it.

[Kelly Mantle]

I have said this on the podcast, and I will say it again. The Ginger Minj interview. I have loved Ginger for years. I don't know her that well. We only worked together once for that telethon or whatever. That's really the only time I've ever interacted with her from afar. Been a fan. Love her.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's incredibly nice.

[Kelly Mantle]

Incredibly nice. Wonderful. And she came on the pod, and she shared all these amazing stories about Dolly, about Kathy and Jimmy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Unbelievable stories.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, unbelievable to some people, but I was sitting there going, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. I had no reason not to believe any of this stuff. And I'm like, these are great experiences.

[Trixie Mattel]

You're also pretty gullible. Well, Ginger could have been like, so then I was the president for four years, and you would have been like, you don't blame. No, I believe people. I'm not. This is the thing.

[Kelly Mantle]

Huh?

[Trixie Mattel]

And this is not just about whoever's not telling truth in drag.

[Kelly Mantle]

Right? Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't require drag queens to be truth tellers.

[Kelly Mantle]

Girl. Hello.

[Trixie Mattel]

We're not the notary public.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

We're not lawyers. We're not doctors. No, we all have fake names.

[Kelly Mantle]

Tell me a story.

[Trixie Mattel]

We run around with suitcases with a bunch of different currency, with disguises. Let the girls lie.

[Kelly Mantle]

Enter me when you are. Especially if you're on my podcast.

[Trixie Mattel]

And that's when RuPaul kissed me on the mouth. You know, I mean, like, embellish the

[Kelly Mantle]

story that did that. Really? Was it when you played him on Snatch Game?

[Trixie Mattel]

I think that RuPaul was not interested in kissing me when I did that.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think I'm lucky I didn't get slapped. One time I worked with her on something. I forget what we were on. And RuPaul. I'm supposed to be RuPaul's assistant. I have, like, her juice, and I'm her driver or something. I don't know. I'm in drag. She's. It was. I think it was on drag race, and RuPaul comes out and goes, like, we're doing our little scene. And RuPaul goes, Can we add a slap? And I was like, wow. Something about me just inspired us. RuPaul had the impulse, the actor's impulse, you know, honey, the actor's way.

[Kelly Mantle]

It was that Snatch Game. Yep, it was that Snatch Game. She wanted to snatch you up, honey.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think it was before that. This was, like, season. It was, like, a long time ago.

[Kelly Mantle]

What was it like working with Michelle on Queen of the Universe?

[Trixie Mattel]

Girl, it was fierce. And you know what's funny? I read that book the Diva Rules by Michelle Visage, because I didn't really know Michelle, and I wasn't really sure if she liked me. So I thought if I read her book, I would have some, like. You know, when you make a show like that, it's stop and start. I thought I would have something to talk about. Maybe she'd be flattered, or at least maybe I'd have a greater understanding of what she's about. That book turned me out.

[Kelly Mantle]

Really.

[Trixie Mattel]

I. It opened my eyes to the fact that Drag Race, in my experience, in my opinion, they kind of credit her as RuPaul's friend, which is true. But the book talks about her enmeshment in ball culture, her days in her girl group, her storied career. The Drag Race doesn't really touch on that much.

[Kelly Mantle]

Isn't that wild?

[Trixie Mattel]

So, I don't know, like, seduction was the first interracial girl group with these, like, massive singles, massive tours.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, honey. She thought she was Madonna.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I mean, like, Michelle's really cool career and story doesn't really get unfolded on Drag Race the way Drag Race is always talking about RuPaul's story.

[Kelly Mantle]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so I only knew Michelle from Drag Race, so the book was really interesting because there's a lot of Michelle before Drag Race came along.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah. Cause I see my first exposure to her, obviously, was the girl group, and then it was when she was Rue's sidekick on the talk show, and then they had a radio show together.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, she had a radio show. The talk show.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And then RuPaul writes a foreword in the book. And RuPaul's memory of meeting Michelle was like being at a nightclub and seeing a woman in, like, a black lingerie nightie. Just walk across the floor, girl. Just some. Some young girl in a nightie.

[Kelly Mantle]

It was probably turning bedtime stories.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was her. And that was like, her first impression of Michelle. And also the book has old pictures of Michelle, and Michelle is the face card.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, honey is on fire still snatched.

[Trixie Mattel]

Snatched out of her mind.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, I love that show. I wish they'd. I. Why did it get canceled? I thought the Queen of the Universe was so good.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know. Actually. We only did the two seasons, but it was really fun.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, my God, I loved it. It was some of those queens. Honey, those. Sing the girl. The girl from France that did levy on Rose.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God, she was amazing. Fabulous singers on that show. No, I never heard drag queen sing like that before. I was like, oh, my God. Like.

[Kelly Mantle]

And I love your Kiki with. Let's have a Kiki with Luscious Honey. Oh, my God, it's so good.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think as we record this episode, maybe it came out a month ago or something, but I was working on a remix of let's have a Kiki. So was Vanessa, and she shared hers with me. And I was like, oh, yours, Yours gorgeous. Devours cute. Yours is really fierce. And then she was like, would you want to do some vocals for it? I was like, you know who we should get? Get Luscious his ass down. Because when I think of that, like, spoken word in the beginning of the original, it's like, who would have a good answering machine? V. Who. Who wouldn't want to come home? Don't. The kids. Answering machines. The kids said they don't know about answering machines. Did you ever have a real, honest to God, like, tape answering machine?

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, not only did I have a tape answering machine, I had one of those cheesy little outgoing messages. What did you say that was like, hello? Hello. Gotcha. This is my answering machine. So they would sit on the other end.

[Trixie Mattel]

Classic Kelly. Classic Kelly. And that's when you knew comedy was for you.

[Kelly Mantle]

And then we had beepers.

[Trixie Mattel]

Shut the fuck up. Okay, That's.

[Kelly Mantle]

That's before me, my little marijuana dealer. Because this was before marijuana. Marijuana. Marijuana.

[Trixie Mattel]

Mar A Lago. Marily was a Mar A Lago.

[Kelly Mantle]

This was before Mar A Lago was legal. You.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm at home smoking Mar a Lago.

[Kelly Mantle]

Smoking. Oh, my God. That would be a good strain for a ween. Not that I support that or anything, but that is actually a good name for a weed.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, I think. I think they do. They do wear a lot of hair and makeup. In Mar A Lago, I think you could infiltrate that space, girl.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know what? You say this every time I see you. I am not a Mar A Lago lady.

[Trixie Mattel]

Are you sure?

[Kelly Mantle]

I am 100,000% sure. I would stand out like a sore thumb. You know I would.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is that a threat?

[Kelly Mantle]

Who was it recently? That. Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Anyway, that's a great story, Kelly.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, I was thinking of.

[Trixie Mattel]

Let's take a break. Today's episode of Bald and the Beautiful is brought to you by. Better Help. You better help. So you can survive this summer or you can thrive. I tell everybody it's just like I'm from Wisconsin. As you all know, we have about 11 and a half months of winter, but summer is here. It's time to vibe. It's time to juggle a little less and just relax and maybe get less overwhelmed, you know, maybe relax a little bit, maybe enjoy some sunshine. And I'll tell you this, I just think it's a good time of year to invest in yourself. I was just talking about therapy with two friends and I said, it's like, you can eat food or you can season your food. Like, it's like the best things in your life are better. The things in your life that are hard are more manageable. You actually show up in the scenarios that you talk about in therapy, and you show up to those scenarios better prepared to deal with them. My favorite thing about therapy, too is I just feel like it gives me a bird's eye view and it makes me feel like not only are my problems troubleshootable, but I think about how it connects to, like, you know, gratitude and other things around it, and it gives some of my problems context, and it doesn't make them feel so hot and claustrophobic. You know, it lets me zoom out a little bit at BetterHelp. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 6 million people globally.

[Kelly Mantle]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Kelly Mantle]

Okay, so this is what we would do because we didn't have cell phones, right? And so you would be, you would page someone and with like a their number to go to your landline. Or a pay phone or whatever and call them because. And if they put 911 on it, it meant it was important.

[Trixie Mattel]

What?

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes. And so the marijuana dealers back then always had beepers, and so you would beep them and everything. And my marijuana dealer, honey. Oh, my God. He was this gangster from, like the Chicago. This one. I live in Chicago. He was so hot. And he beeped me one time when it wasn't. I had not beeped him to get the marijuana.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, you think he was like, well,

[Kelly Mantle]

while I'm here, honey, I was too scared to call. Cause I was like, what if this is a. Like he's interested. And I didn't want to start something with my marijuana dealer.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, I don't. I've never had a drug dealer, but colleagues have explained to me that it's a delicate balance of pretending to be their friend.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, right. It's kind of like when you go to your hair done. It's a small talk. You know, you're like, I don't need the small talk. Just give me my weed.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right? Go to the doc. Just refill my vivance and let me leave.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't need all the small talk.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, I think some people are like, hey, girl, want to hang out? They, like, have to pretend to be friends, but it's really like the weed smoking.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

One time I was with somebody who was buying cocaine. Not me, I don't do cocaine. But they were on the phone and like, can we get a small or can we get a large? It was like that. Coated where it was like, I have a few people over. Can we get a large? I'm like, what? Like, someone's tapped the phone. They. They came over and they had a dog. It was a dog with it, a little dog. And the dog had one of those coats on.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

And the coat had pockets. And that's where the drugs were.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, no.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I wonder if the dog was trained to be like, honey. And then like, if the cops come, the dog just takes off.

[Kelly Mantle]

Don't trap that dog into this.

[Trixie Mattel]

The cop. The dog's gonna get convicted. Right. Drug a dog. Catching a Pomeranian, catching a charge.

[Kelly Mantle]

Do you. You don't have a dog, do you?

[Trixie Mattel]

No, I don't have any animals or anything. I. I'm pro dog. I'm not terribly pro cat. I know that the Sapphics who watch this hate that I'm saying that. I'm sorry. I love dogs, but, you know, I'm crazy about birds. I'm a crazy bird lady.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know what is so weird? About that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Everything.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, every time I get with Trixie, we got to get a little woo woo. You know, since Katya is not here,

[Trixie Mattel]

I almost brought my tarot cards today. I thought we were gonna do another reading.

[Kelly Mantle]

You totally should have.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think something's going on.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know what is so weird about that? The last few times I've seen you, do you know that birds have been coming through?

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you leave a window open?

[Kelly Mantle]

Do you know, when I saw you a couple of weeks ago, there was a black crowd coming through and I was like, what does this mean and what does it represent?

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know about the one in my yard?

[Kelly Mantle]

The one what?

[Trixie Mattel]

The giant black raven in my yard who kills other birds and eats their body in my bird bath.

[Kelly Mantle]

Wait, for real? For real in your yard?

[Trixie Mattel]

For real, for real. It is. It's a raven. It's the size of a football. It's huge. And it sits in my water fountain, my front yard, and literally eats the bones of other birds while staring in the window at me. Trixie, it's crazy, girl.

[Kelly Mantle]

So I don't have insane.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm working on getting a bird right now and I'm like, kind of like, do I. Should I put my new bird next to the window to be like, this is. This is. This is not your space.

[Kelly Mantle]

What are you gonna get? Like a little parakeet something? And you think that's gonna scare off that raven?

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm looking for a very small macaw species. Or maybe like I'm looking. I'm debating between rescuing and going through a breeder. Obviously it's, I think, more ethical to try to rescue because birds are the number one most rehomed pet.

[Kelly Mantle]

And I didn't even think of that. They have rescue birds just like they have rescued dogs.

[Trixie Mattel]

Rescue birds.

[Kelly Mantle]

I love that you have to rescue one.

[Trixie Mattel]

I would like to rescue. But when you rescue, sometimes you're inheriting the birds like behaviors, history. You don't know. What if the last owner abused it? And you get a bird that hates people or scared, you know, you never know until you get home. But I. I'm a lifelong crazy animal person.

[Kelly Mantle]

Right?

[Trixie Mattel]

You like animals?

[Kelly Mantle]

I love animals. I'm the biggest animal lover in the world. Love every kind of animal. I'm a huge dog lover. I mean, that's my passion.

[Trixie Mattel]

Have a dog.

[Kelly Mantle]

I had a dog for 13 years. Edelbuss was her name.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, what kind of dog was she?

[Kelly Mantle]

She was a Shih Tzu and she passed away.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, from what?

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, she. Honey, she's like 30 years old or something?

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't think she was 30.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, she was. Her teeth were falling out and everything. Honey, she had. Had it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know what, though? I think that had you a really good owner.

[Kelly Mantle]

Huh?

[Trixie Mattel]

Having a pet get old is a privilege. It means you took really good care, right?

[Kelly Mantle]

Absolutely. Well, we found her when I was in college, so I had her whole adult life. Yeah. Found her in the middle of a rainstorm. We hung up signs everywhere. Vet clinics, everything. Couldn't find the owners.

[Trixie Mattel]

So it just kind of happened to you. You weren't looking.

[Kelly Mantle]

Totally. She came to me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is that who found James, too? Is in the storm.

[Kelly Mantle]

I found him in the wanted ads.

[Trixie Mattel]

And we know we talked about this one time when you were on here, but does James have some kind of foggy idea that you are at one time a huge slut?

[Kelly Mantle]

I think he's starting to figure that

[Trixie Mattel]

out because I think he has you on, like, Stepford wife setting, but he doesn't know that the other setting is like stripper circus, you know?

[Kelly Mantle]

I mean, listen, at the end of the day, the true heart of a slut never leaves a slut. Even though she might not be active in that way. I'm always gonna be a slut through and through. Honey. The mind of a slut, the heart of a slut. The booty of a slut. The moves of a slut. The mind of a slut, the music of a slut. Honey, I will always be serving slut.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think you need to go visit Katya in the hospital. If you go in in this outfit, she's gonna think that you're the angel of death.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, I will totally show up. She'd probably welcome that.

[Trixie Mattel]

She literally. Honey, at this point, she's not loving being in a hospital and she's not living and loving visitors.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because she's so uncomfortable and she's in pain. She hates it. But I think if you go in.

[Kelly Mantle]

Let's go.

[Trixie Mattel]

I almost went in drag the other day. A Ronald McDonald House vibe.

[Kelly Mantle]

Girl, can you imagine? Nurses on the floor would be freaking the fuck out if Trixie Mattel came in there.

[Trixie Mattel]

It reminded me of the episode of Reno911 where they go to entertain the kids at the hospital and she pulls out her gun and she's like, it's not loaded. Then it goes off. That would be me. That would be me.

[Kelly Mantle]

But, girl, you have to go.

[Trixie Mattel]

I have a question, because you know that I have a weird, parasocial relationship with Denise Richards, and I know that you have a Denise Richards story.

[Kelly Mantle]

Girl, I don't know if I can tell the Denise Richards story. How do you know I have a Denise Richardson?

[Trixie Mattel]

John Mark told me.

[Kelly Mantle]

Shut up.

[Trixie Mattel]

John Mark told me. Is it good or is it crazy?

[Kelly Mantle]

No, it's insane. It's absolutely insane. But okay, I won't mention any names. But I have a few.

[Trixie Mattel]

We already said Denise Richard.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, no, I'm talking about my friend that the story's about.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay, my friend.

[Kelly Mantle]

We won't mention any names. My friend. Okay, how do I say this? My friend came over to my house one day. I'm just gonna start from the end of the story. My friend came over to my house one day, panicking, banging on the door. I opened the door and I was like, what is wrong with you? And she said, do you have a wig? And do you have an overcoat? And do you have sunglasses? Give me your cell phone now. And she goes and puts our cell phones on the stove in a skillet and puts a lid on him.

[Trixie Mattel]

What?

[Kelly Mantle]

And I'm like, first of all, I didn't even know I owned a skillet with a lid. Cause I don't do anything like that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, why are you not reacting? If someone put my cell phone in

[Kelly Mantle]

a skillet, why would I reveal what is wrong with you? What are you doing? And she' said, people can't track our phones this way. And I'm like, what is going on? And she said, just give me the disguise. Don't ask any questions. I gotta go. What? The only thing she would tell me is that Denise Richards was after her.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay, this is sounding like a drug thing.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, it wasn't. It's because my friend doesn't drugs.

[Trixie Mattel]

Other than I follow this girl on Instagram who thinks that Sandra Bullock is trying to kill her. I know, and I don't think she's Sandra Bullock.

[Kelly Mantle]

Just doesn't give those vibes.

[Trixie Mattel]

There is this.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, it's not a drug thing. She was being for real. For real. But come to find out, Denise had been stalking her for years because of this mutual man that they both knew. And so she had to go downtown in a disguise to drop off something, but thought that Denise Richards was following her.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just feel like unless you're in a movie, a disguise is never the move. Do you have an overcoat and a wig?

[Kelly Mantle]

Unless you're RuPaul.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, she loves a disguise.

[Kelly Mantle]

I feel like RuPaul walks around in a weird disguise all the time.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know about the time she came to see Trixie and Katya? High School reunion?

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Katya And I were doing a stage parody of Romeo Michelle with Peaches Christ.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, up in San Francisco.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And it was Trixie and Katya's high school reunion. Like a parody of if Katya and I went to high school together. But it's the plot of Romeo Michelle, as we love Romeo Michelle. Who doesn't? Before curtain, Peaches comes backstage and goes, RuPaul is here. Don't tell anybody in the cast, because we don't want people to freak out. By the time I walk out of my dressing room, the entire cast is like, rupaul's here. Word. Word travels like that. And I'm like, she is. That's crazy. But I had gotten a text earlier that day from someone at Drag Race being like, rupaul's in town. She wants to see your show. I was like, sure. Apparently, she comes in last, like, right when the show starts. She was in a sun hat, a Covid mask, and a wheelchair.

[Kelly Mantle]

A wheelchair.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because I think she's so recognizable. Tall, I think it was, like, to hide out.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, my gosh.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And this. I did not see her, but this is what I heard, is that she was in, like, a proper disguise to see the show. And I guess the thing is, RuPaul's so big, right. When you're 7ft tall, you can't even secretly do nothing.

[Kelly Mantle]

Not at all.

[Trixie Mattel]

Tall people.

[Kelly Mantle]

Not at all.

[Trixie Mattel]

Tall, bald people. It's like every room is an announcement right there.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Don't ask me how I know.

[Kelly Mantle]

I know because I saw Leslie Jordan live one time there at the Gay and Lesbian center opposite of renberg theater. But RuPaul came to see Leslie, and of course Ru. You know, everyone notices Ru right away.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not exactly. Yes. Sometimes people. Like when I used to go to Casita de Campo. I remember that. I remember I seen Sean Hayes there a few times. And it would be like someone like that, where you're like, this room full of people to see Lady Bunny. They're going to notice. Sean Hayes.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

The Lady Bunny audience is going to notice, honey.

[Kelly Mantle]

I saw Jackie Beat there one time, and guess who was sitting one seat over from me? Parker Posey with Liza Minnelli.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, fierce girl.

[Kelly Mantle]

Are you fucking kidding me? And Casita del campo with, like, 20 people.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, 70 seats. 40 seats.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Huge fire hazard.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, huge fire hazard.

[Trixie Mattel]

You better hope there's never an accident in that basement.

[Kelly Mantle]

When I perform, I want to perform in a place that is a fire hazard. It just raises the stakes.

[Trixie Mattel]

It raises the stakes, and you're smoking.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

The Outfits are very dry, smoking hot. Ooh. Did you ever smoke cigarettes? I bet you did.

[Kelly Mantle]

I did.

[Trixie Mattel]

I bet you loved it, too. I bet it was very, like, bad Sandy, like, tell me about it, girl. Did you feel it, girl?

[Kelly Mantle]

You know she smoked those brown moors, honey. Those long skinny ones, Honey, did you feel it? Oh, girl, I'd sit there and flick that. The world was my ash hole, honey. The world was my ash hole. People sit there and flick everywhere. Everywhere.

[Trixie Mattel]

If I was like. I think if I was like, femme presenting, there'd be something about smoking that would feel hot.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, it's so hot to me. That's why I started doing it.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's sexy when men do it. I think it's sexy when girls do

[Kelly Mantle]

because they're all like this and hold it like this and they what is on it? And they're like, you know, and that. They know. I was always like, one that would tilt back and blow my smoke out, you know, from people. And guys are just like, right in your face. Men are just. They can't help it.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're hot. They're hot.

[Katya]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya]

So it is a battle of berries,

[Trixie Mattel]

a gentle war fought with bubbles and summer vibes.

[Katya]

Then let us sip like children again, my friend. Only this time, both we and our soft drink choices are slightly wiser to

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Kelly Mantle]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

They came in like a black container, clove, quite Russian. And the, the cigarettes were also rainbow. They were clove and they were rainbow. And do you remember everyone just smelled like ham.

[Kelly Mantle]

Ham.

[Trixie Mattel]

Remember? Clove cigarettes kind of smell like ham or something.

[Kelly Mantle]

Smell like black licorice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I always thought they smelled kind of like someone seasoning, like a Thanksgiving dinner or some.

[Kelly Mantle]

What are you putting on your ham, honey?

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't eat ham, so I don't know. I'm not a good judge.

[Kelly Mantle]

That's true, because I don't eat ham. When did you, when did you stop eating meat?

[Trixie Mattel]

About 10 o' clock this morning.

[Kelly Mantle]

Hello.

[Trixie Mattel]

When I was like, I was nine years old.

[Kelly Mantle]

Nine years old.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was obsessed with that movie, Charlotte's Web. The cartoon with not Denise Richards almost said that.

[Kelly Mantle]

Denise Richards and Charlotte's Web. No oh, the other real housewife.

[Trixie Mattel]

Carrie Fisher's mom. Oh, Debbie Reynolds.

[Kelly Mantle]

Debbie. No, that's the mom.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's what I just said.

[Kelly Mantle]

Carrie Fisher's mom is Debbie Reynolds. She was in Charlotte.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is there an echo in here? She's the voice of Charlotte.

[Kelly Mantle]

I didn't know that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Twinkle, sparkle, let a little sunshine.

[Kelly Mantle]

That's Debbie Reynolds.

[Trixie Mattel]

You'll be on the right side looking on the right side with the chinny chin chin.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know, she was all popped up on pills doing that.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's a beautiful film. And it made me. It completely made impossible for me to, like, separate animals from what's on the plate.

[Kelly Mantle]

That is interesting. That did not have that effect on me, obviously. I was terrified of spiders. After seeing that, reading about it and stuff.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm still not into spiders.

[Kelly Mantle]

Do you remember where the Red Fern Grows?

[Trixie Mattel]

The book girl? I read that book.

[Kelly Mantle]

They had to take me out of the room. I was crying so hard.

[Trixie Mattel]

I cried child abuse to death when that dog died. You know what's crazy? I remember the line. His friendly brown eyes closed forever.

[Kelly Mantle]

Shut up. You're gonna make me.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, in eighth grade. I think I was. No, I was on a school trip. No, no. My grandparents took me to Disney World. And I had to do my homework on the way because you miss a week of school or whatever you have to do homework. And I was reading where the Red Fern Grows, crying in the back of a Ford Explorer on the way to Florida. Like, that is a sad book.

[Kelly Mantle]

It is so sad. They read it in class. This. I had to be taken out of the room because I could not control my crying.

[Trixie Mattel]

People dying, sure.

[Kelly Mantle]

No boss car. Children didn't care.

[Trixie Mattel]

Didn't care. Well, they didn't die, Kelly.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, they didn't.

[Trixie Mattel]

Their parents were dead.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, no.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's why they lived in a box car.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, really?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, it was kind of.

[Kelly Mantle]

Is that a true story?

[Trixie Mattel]

I think they're orphans. Weren't they?

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, my God.

[Trixie Mattel]

Weren't the boxer children orphans?

[Kelly Mantle]

Ah, that is wild. Look.

[Trixie Mattel]

Look it up, Tracy.

[Kelly Mantle]

Can you imagine?

[Trixie Mattel]

She don't even know what the boxcar children are, first of all. Oh, who do you read? Yes, you do.

[Kelly Mantle]

I'm an avid reader.

[Trixie Mattel]

What do you like to read?

[Kelly Mantle]

I like to read biographies, autobiographies, things like that.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just read. I've been really into horror. Again, just an. I love to read horror, but I get scared. I have nightmares. I just read this book called Mother Thing.

[Kelly Mantle]

What?

[Trixie Mattel]

It's about this woman, her husband. Her husband's mother kills herself. What They've been living with and taking care of the mother in law.

[Kelly Mantle]

Husband's mother. Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

They've been living in the husband's childhood home, taking care of the mother in law, who's really crazy. She slits her wrists and kills herself. The book starts with them at the hospital being like your mother's dad.

[Kelly Mantle]

Why are you reading stuff like this?

[Trixie Mattel]

I was reading it, honey.

[Kelly Mantle]

So then I'm worried about you.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's trying to help her husband process grief. The mother starts haunting them. She's being haunted by her mother in law. And it's the twist. I will say the twist. Nobody's gonna read it.

[Kelly Mantle]

So you're in that big old haunted

[Trixie Mattel]

house reading this book.

[Kelly Mantle]

You got the raven out there eating birds, girl. And you're reading about this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Scary.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, this is dark sided, very scary.

[Trixie Mattel]

And the twist of the book is that she's crazy.

[Kelly Mantle]

Huh?

[Trixie Mattel]

The twist of the book is that the wife is crazy.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think it's not necessary, but you know, that's a lot of the themes and paranormal things. Which is like, is it paranormal or are you losing grip with reality? No, you know, it was really scary though. I was. It was nauseating and sick. It was making me sick. But I keep going on these TikTok wormholes of like the most disturbing horror books you could read. And then I'm like, I'll read that. No, I need to get my body off the tracks.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, honey, no, I keep my reading. I just, I would. I was reading a Sandra Bernhardt book that I had not read before and I can't remember the name of it. It's. It came out after. Without you, I'm nothing. But it was so good. But she talks. Madonna is in the little thing said this book saved my life because. Remember when they were friends?

[Trixie Mattel]

Madonna and who?

[Kelly Mantle]

Sandra Bernhardt.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, they were friends, right? Yeah. Weren't they like besties?

[Kelly Mantle]

Huh? They were good. Judy's. I saw Madonna the other night at the Abbey.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh yes, I heard about that girl. How was it? Honey, listen, it was really a who's who.

[Kelly Mantle]

It was crazy. Can we talk about these events though? You show up to these events and everyone is stressed the fuck out.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

And we need more glamour and less clamor.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I love that.

[Kelly Mantle]

More glamour, less clamor.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you know what else I feel? You don't have to say it. Cause I will. Cause everyone hates me. But everyone loves you. You're America's sweetheart. If you're at one of these events and you do not have a wig on you need to be fluffing a pillow. You need to be rolling out a carpet. Everyone's a pa. If you're not a wig, you don't have a wig on. You're a pa. Yeah. You're involved in making sure the rest of us get in here.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

And sit down somewhere. And there's a fan. Is there a drink? Am I comfortable? Am I well lit? Even getting from the car in.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is never fast enough.

[Kelly Mantle]

The whole night was just clamoring.

[Trixie Mattel]

Clamoring.

[Kelly Mantle]

I got clamored to get in the door. I got clamored to get to the bar to get a drink. I got clamored in space.

[Trixie Mattel]

People freak out. Cause you're there too, right?

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, I mean, everyone. There's a bunch of people there. And yeah, like, everyone's. You know, I mean, it's lovely and it's wonderful and the energy is chaotic and great, but the minute the music starts, enjoy the moment.

[Trixie Mattel]

Enjoy the potential.

[Kelly Mantle]

Everyone is trying so hard to clamor. And we're talking like queens. All the way in the very back. I was like, if you start now, you'll never make it in. You'll never get closer to her. What are you doing? Where are you going? What is it you need?

[Trixie Mattel]

And is your plan to run on stage with her? What is the plan?

[Kelly Mantle]

Just hold your champagne glass up in the air and dance and enjoy the moment. Get your little picture and video, then put your phone away and enjoy the moment. We need more glamour, less clamor. Honey, who. It was a who's.

[Trixie Mattel]

Luscious was there too, right?

[Kelly Mantle]

Luscious was there. Kylie Sonique was there. Luscious was right there. I love all the pictures of her just sitting there, just like, adorning Madonna while she's at the dj.

[Trixie Mattel]

Julia Fox was there.

[Kelly Mantle]

Julia Fox and Kylie Sinque were dancing on the couch that I think Eureka was dancing on for a minute. And then evidently they pulled Eureka out and kicked her out of the club.

[Trixie Mattel]

I heard about that.

[Kelly Mantle]

Which I made the stupid decision to try to go to the bathroom in the middle of the set. And on my way to the bathroom, I saw Eureka. And she's like, girl, what's up? And we hugged. She said, I love you. I went on my way. I never knew this was happening to her.

[Trixie Mattel]

You had her kicked out.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey. I had her kicked out. Kelly. It was my fault.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly.

[Kelly Mantle]

Blame it on Madonna, but I'll give you 100.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly.

[Kelly Mantle]

I said get her out of here.

[Trixie Mattel]

Get her out of here.

[Kelly Mantle]

You're a damn son of a bitch.

[Trixie Mattel]

What Kind of songs did Madonna sing?

[Kelly Mantle]

She didn't sing anything. They just played like her new songs. She just danced next to Stewart on the tracks and they did Hung Up.

[Trixie Mattel]

Cool.

[Kelly Mantle]

I think they debuted a new one. But like I said, I had made the stupid decision to go to the bathroom in the middle of it. And so I got slammed and pushed up against a brick wall and a barricade and I was stuck there the whole rest of the.

[Trixie Mattel]

See how you disrespect Kelly Mantle, Honey, it's the Abbey.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, but girl, I was living though, because there was this big old tall drag queen standing next to me. She's like, I guess we're stuck here for the night. And I was like, I guess so. And she's like, here you go. She had a little bottle of poppers.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you do poppers, Honey?

[Kelly Mantle]

I've never done poppers before. Except one time on the podcast with Willem and I didn't know they were real poppers.

[Trixie Mattel]

What do you think of it, honey? Describe the experience.

[Kelly Mantle]

I felt free.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't feel.

[Kelly Mantle]

I feel so free.

[Trixie Mattel]

It feels hot. It feels claustrophobic.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't know, I just did like one little snort or. It's not a snort, it's just like a. You know, you just breathe it in.

[Trixie Mattel]

What I think is funny when people pull those out at the club.

[Kelly Mantle]

I loved it.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's like. It's not like you have to be this close to smell it. So everyone in your 5 foot radius is now doing poppers.

[Kelly Mantle]

Really?

[Trixie Mattel]

I just feel like it.

[Kelly Mantle]

I didn't know they were still a thing. Such a. I didn't know there was.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think it's trickled, the trickle down economy. I think straight people are on it now.

[Kelly Mantle]

Have you ever done it?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, but I don't. I don't see the appeal. No, I really don't.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, see, I feel that way about cocaine. I've tried coke a few times in my life and I'm like, oh, give me. I was like, give me. I'm not feeling nothing except agitated.

[Trixie Mattel]

My nose holes are too big. Like a bump could kill me. You know what I mean?

[Kelly Mantle]

Just for all. Can you imagine?

[Trixie Mattel]

I just, I. I don't know.

[Kelly Mantle]

But no, I appreciated that popper at that moment. Because if you're gonna be slammed up against a brick wall in a barricade and you're missing the whole last half of Madonna and only hearing it. Yeah, I was like, well, now I can get into this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Lately I just been sitting home a lot, but I keep getting invited to things. I've become so antisocial and I'm starting to feel like I wish I was more. When I first moved to la, I went to everything. I went out all the time. Went out to dinner all the time. Lately I just like to stay home.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, honey, you're, you're turning over. You're in a new chapter in your life. I guess you're enjoying the hard work and success that you have put in continuously, non stop for how many years now? 10 years since drag Race and of course before that. But I'm. You know what I'm saying?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

So you're like, it's. You get a chance to sit back and like relax and enjoy it all and take it all in and be like, like, this is great, you know, I mean, you, you need to do that from time to time.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know what I think it is too? I think it's because pride is coming. My body's clenching.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

My body's like, do you have a

[Kelly Mantle]

lot of TJ gigs coming up?

[Trixie Mattel]

My body's like, if you want to go out, have a drink, you will be able to do that for about three straight months when you work every weekend at all these faggot events. So I think my body's like, why don't you just sit home and have a glass of water? You. Yes, you bald bitch. Why don't you just order some Taco Bell and sit down, Order some Taco Bell.

[Kelly Mantle]

I'll come over, hon.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've been playing PlayStation, tarot cards.

[Kelly Mantle]

Do you, You're a gamer. You like that stuff, don't you?

[Trixie Mattel]

Lately, literally this morning I woke up at 7:30, couldn't sleep anymore, and I was like, my boyfriend's not up yet. I'm gonna tiptoe downstairs like Christmas morning. I'm gonna order some, some tea and sit and play video games at 8 in the morning. Yes, it was a nice way to start the day. I used to watch the news in the morning and now I just play video games.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, honey, that strategizes you. Your mind gets into strategy.

[Trixie Mattel]

It helps make. It wakes my mind up in a way that I'm agreeable to.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah. Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've noticed for me, if I'm like, if I have a zoom at like 10 and I get up at 9:30, I'm so ornery and useless on that zoom. Like I need, I'm, I'm getting to a point in my life where I need to boot up the machine hours before anybody needs me.

[Kelly Mantle]

I'm the same way. The minute I, that When I get up, I'll have a cup of coffee and I'll just kind of, like, take in everything. And then I have at least 20 minutes of meditation, staring at a blank white wall and listening to Enya, Enigma, something like that, that doesn't have any words, and it just lets you free your mind.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know, it's so important to do that, I think, you know, especially at the beginning of a day, so that you can kind of become a blank canvas and take it all in.

[Trixie Mattel]

I kind of get. I. Maybe I'm getting old, but I like this moment of, like, thinking about the day, like, mentally making peace with whatever the day is going to be. Whereas, like, if I wake up and I'm still a little bit sleepy, I can't be fucking. It puts me in a bad mood. That doesn't go away all day because

[Kelly Mantle]

especially these times we're living in, honey, we have to center ourselves, focus ourselves, take care of ourselves and be our best. Because every time we walk out that door, honey, it's a front line.

[Trixie Mattel]

How do you lock in on taking care of Kelly?

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, I start by doing that usually every day. That always centers me and focuses me. I go to the gym. I do. I make the gym my priority. I need at least 30 minutes of cardio and then some light lifting, a good sauna. I love swimming. Keeping active, staying active. You're good to keep your mind acting. I'm a great swimmer. You are, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you listen to music in there?

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes, honey. Oh, yes, absolutely.

[Trixie Mattel]

You have music in your ears while swimming?

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, no, not music in my ears. I'll just have music playing, like, in your mind. Yeah, Many times music is playing you singing.

[Trixie Mattel]

We just hear, like, water bubbles, you know?

[Kelly Mantle]

That is my dream someday is to do a music podcast, because one of my favorite things in the world to do is to just break down songs. Where did it come from? Why did you write this albums? All the things. Music videos.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah, Jake Shears.

[Kelly Mantle]

Did you see his podcast, speaking of Scissor Sisters?

[Trixie Mattel]

No, but I love him.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, my God. He had a music podcaster. He might still have. He did so good. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Jacob. I love the Scissor Sisters.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kids today don't know about the Scissor Sisters.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, I saw him live at the. What's that? Across from Capitol Records, where we just had the Queerties.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, with the queer. Oh, my God.

[Kelly Mantle]

I think it's. I don't think it was called Avalon, but I saw Sister Sisters there when they first came out.

[Trixie Mattel]

You looked Great at the Queers.

[Kelly Mantle]

Thank you.

[Trixie Mattel]

You looked really beautiful. You came out and it was so fun. And so did you.

[Kelly Mantle]

You hosted the night, and it was hilarious. And you look gorgeous. And you won. Can you believe it?

[Trixie Mattel]

They don't tell me anything about who's gonna win. So I found out when you found out.

[Kelly Mantle]

I found out when you found out standing backstage. John, Mark and I were leaving because I had did that little bit with you on stage. Then we're like, going back to our seats, and the producer's like, you need to stick around. It's your category. And I was like, oh, honey, we probably didn't win. We're just gonna go grab a drink, go back to our seats. He's like, actually. And then I hear the Kelly Mantle show.

[Trixie Mattel]

Were you surprised?

[Kelly Mantle]

I was so surprised. I was like, wait, what?

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly, you said, we have no idea

[Kelly Mantle]

what we're doing on the planet.

[Trixie Mattel]

That is not true. When Kelly started your. When it. You told me and Katya, like, should I do this? What am I going to talk about? No, I think you verbatim said, who's going to want to hear me talk?

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why did you not think that? I feel like for those of us who are fans of you, that is what we want.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't know how to talk. I'm not a good talker. I'm actually very, very quiet and shy in life, so.

[Trixie Mattel]

You always say that.

[Kelly Mantle]

I am.

[Trixie Mattel]

But you're always hoard out of your mind. Talking, drinking.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Gesturing with a cigarette.

[Kelly Mantle]

No. I'm not.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, I'm a shrinking violet.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't know. Because the other thing, that's hard for me, too. Having been an actor my whole life, I never had to be Kelly Mantle on camera before.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Kelly Mantle]

And that is really difficult to do. Like, you're a pro at being Trixie Mattel on camera.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's the only thing I know how to do.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't know how. I was like, how am I supposed to do this?

[Trixie Mattel]

Well.

[Kelly Mantle]

And they're like, well, just be yourself. And I'm like, well, what if you're a hundred different people from one day to the next?

[Trixie Mattel]

I've been watching the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills from the beginning. Don't ask. Don't ask. I don't know. I don't know.

[Kelly Mantle]

You mean the new one.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's only from the beginning. I'm watching it from the beginning.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, wow.

[Trixie Mattel]

And Eileen is on it right now,

[Kelly Mantle]

who is a soap actress.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. She has, like, multiple Daytime Emmys. She's been on 30 years of that

[Kelly Mantle]

show, that big old house.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I actually thought of you because one of the questions Andy asked her at the reunion was, was Eileen, like, basically asking her what was it like to go from your decades of experience acting to reality tv? And she was saying, like, the reason I did it was because I'm so comfortable on camera after all these years. Like, I wanted something that would scare me. Yeah. And her talking about how, like, Andy was like, when you're on your show, you have your line, they tell you where to hit your mark. I never really thought about. For people who aren't used to reality, that is, like, such a hard pivot.

[Kelly Mantle]

It is.

[Trixie Mattel]

And podcasting is kind of reality.

[Kelly Mantle]

It really is both of. Well. And that's why RuPaul's Drag Race was so scary to me. So I didn't realize it until I got there that I was like, oh, wait a minute, I have to be Kelly Mantle.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

I watched it. I didn't even think of that before I came here. And I'm like, I've never done that before, other than, like, a little interview here and there throughout the years or whatever. I was like, wait, I don't know how to do this. Yeah, I was like, you know, I

[Trixie Mattel]

was like, oh, well, there is that moment. Like, when I remember when I first started doing drag, I was not hosting the drag. When you start doing drag, you're not the host. You're just some girl doing a lip sync or whatever. And the host was. She was a body queen, and she was spray adhesive in fabric to her body. You know, some of the naked girls just stick fabric to their parts, honey.

[Kelly Mantle]

Carmen Carrera.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And she's like, I need you to stop. And she handed me the microphone. And I remember being like, I never. I never talked to the microphone like that. But I always think back to that formative moment of just. I didn't have time to be nervous, right. I just had to walk out there and talk.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, and look at you now. I mean, that's crazy that, like, you were handed a microphone and we were like, wait, what do I do?

[Trixie Mattel]

But I had only lip synced before. I thought that I was. I thought what I offered was beauty and seductive movement.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, you weren't wrong.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so then when I was, like, talking and then afterward, the girl was like, that was funny. You should do more microphone stuff. And I was like, maybe, but there are these moments, like Drag Race, where you are an actor and you get thrown into something. I watched an interview clip today of you talking about Being on Drag Race, you trying to tell the cameras where

[Kelly Mantle]

to go, Girl, listen, now, I wasn't Drag Race. I wasn't trying to tell them where to go.

[Trixie Mattel]

I heard you were telling them which side was your best side and to go over here.

[Kelly Mantle]

They were setting things up.

[Katya]

She did.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, wait.

[Kelly Mantle]

What?

[Trixie Mattel]

I guess it was on this pod.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, it was on this pod that I said that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I'm sorry.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

We repeat stories here, so.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly, keep it up.

[Kelly Mantle]

So I've heard. I know. I'm always scared of doing that on mine, too. I'm like, I've already told this story. I was like, I don't know. If we do, we'll just edit it out.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, what if they liked it? This drag queen Wendy Breeze told me once. If the audience doesn't mind hearing it twice. As long as they liked it the first time.

[Kelly Mantle]

Exactly. It's kind of like a song. If it's a good story, you want to hear it again? Again?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. You know, tell the story again, Kelly. Well, so how do you tell the camera?

[Kelly Mantle]

It's when RuPaul comes around to our work table. And I was already a nervous rep by this point, and I had never drank a Red Bull in my life, and I thought now would be a great time to have a Red Bull.

[Trixie Mattel]

You thought it was booze?

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, I was trying to find anything to stimulate me into something.

[Trixie Mattel]

If I could do Drag Race all over again, I would have bought booze. I would have brought brush cleaner and,

[Kelly Mantle]

like, all kinds of things.

[Trixie Mattel]

I would have snuck in alcohol Haul.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

What was I doing? I was so goody goody. What are they gonna do, shoot me if they find, like, a bottle of Fleischman's? I don't know.

[Kelly Mantle]

You can sneak it in a mouthwash bottle.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's what I'm. Why wouldn't I do that?

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes, exactly. Why didn't you do that on the

[Trixie Mattel]

weekends at Drag Race? Oh, you've been good. Here's your Dixie cup of white wine to drink in your room.

[Kelly Mantle]

Now. Now they get to smoke weed.

[Trixie Mattel]

What?

[Kelly Mantle]

I think so.

[Trixie Mattel]

Are you lying? I know.

[Kelly Mantle]

I hear all the girls all the time saying, I was so stoned when I.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

They all just smoked weed all the time.

[Kelly Mantle]

Time, cuz. Jinx Raja. They were like, whatever Jinx wants.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, I guess for some of them, it's. It's truly base level medicinal approach. It's like, what's the difference? We put them on a bunch of behavior modifying drugs. Honey, what's the difference?

[Kelly Mantle]

If you have a prescription for it,

[Trixie Mattel]

they can't drag race on weed. I'm. That sounds like a nightmare.

[Kelly Mantle]

I would have loved it. Are you kidding?

[Trixie Mattel]

Would have freak. Freaked the out.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Unable to speak. Well, Trixie, it's your line.

[Kelly Mantle]

You're a little light smoker, though. I like when she says, I smoked the marijuana last night.

[Trixie Mattel]

The marijuana.

[Kelly Mantle]

And you had, like, two little puffs and you're like, oh, my gosh, I'm so stone.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, lately I've been taking a page out of your book. I have a little bit of booze and a little bit of weed.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Maybe an Ambien.

[Kelly Mantle]

I've never done it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Go lay down in the yard.

[Kelly Mantle]

I'm not a pill person.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's good.

[Kelly Mantle]

I don't like the pills, honey. I don't like.

[Trixie Mattel]

But you're such a natural swallow.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, this is true. I'm really good at swallowing, but I don't like appeal. I don't like the way it feels. I don't like the way appeal feels.

[Trixie Mattel]

According to the gospel according to Kelly Mantle, do you think size matters with penises?

[Kelly Mantle]

Absolutely it does.

[Trixie Mattel]

I really thought you were gonna say absolutely not.

[Kelly Mantle]

Absolutely it does.

[Trixie Mattel]

In what way?

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, and let me say this. It matters because some people like small.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's true.

[Kelly Mantle]

And so to them, that matters.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

It can be too big. And then there's girls like me where I'm like, oh, you can't get too big.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right. You want the fire hydrant, honey? Traffic code.

[Kelly Mantle]

I want to know what's going on.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Kelly Mantle]

You know, I want.

[Trixie Mattel]

I thought you were going to say some kind of crazy progressive, like, absolutely. Not all dick is valid.

[Kelly Mantle]

I thought you were gonna. Honey, not for me. It is for some people.

[Trixie Mattel]

People.

[Kelly Mantle]

And that's good for you.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's how I am with short kings. I'm like, that's not my kingdom, honey. Happy for you.

[Kelly Mantle]

Right? We all have our.

[Trixie Mattel]

I will get down on my knees and give you a hug, and then it's over. Honey, what do you think that. What do you think short men want, ultimately?

[Kelly Mantle]

I think they want to be seen.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, of course. But I've noticed a lot of tall guys love short guys, and it's like a vice versa.

[Kelly Mantle]

Really?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. Have you ever met, like, tall guys who are like, I love short guys. And it always makes me laugh because I'm like, girl, you're six four.

[Kelly Mantle]

Well, now you know everyone's short teeth. What I love to see is. I love to see a tall woman with a short man.

[Trixie Mattel]

Absolutely.

[Kelly Mantle]

Nicole Kidman, honey. Next to Tom Cruise or next to that lesbian she was married to.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

What's her name? Keith Urban.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey. She's, like, towering above them.

[Trixie Mattel]

Honey, do you know about Daddy Chunkla on Tick Tock?

[Kelly Mantle]

Daddy who?

[Trixie Mattel]

Daddy Chunkla.

[Kelly Mantle]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

He's this, like, Caucasian guy, red hair. He has a black wife, and she's taller than him. And all their content is, like, really earnest. Like him making a. Making a basket for her for Valentine's Day or telling her what kind of date he's taking her on. And it's like, relationship goals.

[Kelly Mantle]

Everyone thinks it's so, like, I'm like, let's normalize it. I think it's great.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Kelly Mantle]

Did you see Nicole love short guys.

[Trixie Mattel]

Love tall women. Yes. Let's do it all, honey.

[Kelly Mantle]

Mix and match.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love us. I love a six, four bit.

[Kelly Mantle]

Oh, honey.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love when I'm at the airport and I see, like, young girl college athletes, giants. I'm always like, hey, girl, girl. And they're all. I love when the college teams fly in, like, the matching hoodies and stuff with matching backpacks and everything.

[Kelly Mantle]

I know.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're like little army.

[Kelly Mantle]

I love it. And they get on the airplanes. Remember when we were in the airport there in Australia, and the team that

[Trixie Mattel]

had just won the World Cup.

[Kelly Mantle]

That had just won the World cup, and you were. Kelly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Was in heat.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, when I tell you these rugby

[Trixie Mattel]

players were walking around with the cup

[Kelly Mantle]

up, I was just like.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly was like, honey. On the floor at the airport. Honey.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, honey, Honey, honey.

[Trixie Mattel]

Katie was freaking out, too.

[Kelly Mantle]

The whole team.

[Trixie Mattel]

The whole team.

[Kelly Mantle]

I could take the whole team. Did you see Nicole the other night at the Met Gala?

[Trixie Mattel]

Nicole who?

[Kelly Mantle]

Kidman.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, no, girl. Why?

[Kelly Mantle]

Did you see any of that?

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Kelly Mantle]

How come there weren't any drag queens? I don't watch any of that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Watch any of that? That's horrible.

[Kelly Mantle]

The whole theme was supposed to be turn art into fashion. And you don't have any drag queens there. Where was Utica? Where is Godmik in that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Utica.

[Kelly Mantle]

Utica. You know what I'm saying?

[Trixie Mattel]

Where's Utica? Get down here.

[Kelly Mantle]

Utica is living on Uranus.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, Utica would have eaten that up.

[Kelly Mantle]

I think she would have.

[Trixie Mattel]

She really.

[Kelly Mantle]

The carpet. She would have worn the carpet and eaten it.

[Trixie Mattel]

That whore knows how to make an outfit.

[Kelly Mantle]

That's what I'm saying. Why weren't any drag queens invited?

[Trixie Mattel]

I think Simone's done it, and I know Violet's done it. That's the only people I know who've done it.

[Kelly Mantle]

I know why. Because that Jeff Bezos oh, did.

[Trixie Mattel]

Has RuPaul done it?

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, Rue did it one year. Did you see what she wore?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. Was it. She was out of drag, I assume. Oh, it was the campier. That's when Violet went. Because Violet had that dress that looked like a glove.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

That was cool.

[Kelly Mantle]

Violet, we don't ever.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't ever have concern about whether or not Violet's gonna present something that pleases me greatly.

[Kelly Mantle]

What would you wear to the Met Gala?

[Trixie Mattel]

Stay home, girl. I can't do anything like that. I've only been invited to a few fashion things, and I don't know if people know that none of that is, like, paid at all to go to fashion shows.

[Kelly Mantle]

No, a lot of them pay to go.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's what I'm saying. It's like to fly to France or something to go watch a fashion show. Could never be me.

[Kelly Mantle]

Your TikTok outfit, though, when you hosted the TikTok awards. Horns. That was so cool. Oh, did I even make that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Kelly Mantle]

So cool.

[Trixie Mattel]

She pitched it.

[Kelly Mantle]

She said, well, this is so good.

[Trixie Mattel]

She said, tick Tock is the new tv, so how about we do, like, a TV look? I was like, that's a great idea.

[Kelly Mantle]

Such a great idea.

[Trixie Mattel]

The static gloves.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love that dress. I hope I can use it for something else someday.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yeah, that was really good.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sometimes when you wear an outfit like that for an event, it's kind of sad because you're like, this will never get used again.

[Kelly Mantle]

I know, exactly. You could wear it in, like, a

[Trixie Mattel]

music video and then have the two guys, maybe the TV head heads, behind you. Those TV heads are just sitting at my house now. I've no. Don't know what I'm gonna do with them.

[Kelly Mantle]

I'll wear them.

[Trixie Mattel]

Where do you keep all your drag? Do you have a lot of drag? No, right?

[Kelly Mantle]

I mean, not really. I think of, you know, I mean, my life is pretty much just this, so I don't really look at it as drag, if that makes sense.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, like, you have a tour coming up.

[Kelly Mantle]

I have some evening gowns, and I have all those things, like, in a dress, you know, area and drag closet and stuff. But no, I mean, like, I would wear this to the grocery store.

[Trixie Mattel]

What are you gonna wear in your new tour? Do you have, like, a special costume made for a tour like that?

[Kelly Mantle]

What new tour? Am I.

[Trixie Mattel]

Don't you have a show coming up? You have a show in Phoenix?

[Kelly Mantle]

I do. Oh, that's right. We're starting to take the podcast out live.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kelly, you've gotten your pod to A level where you're going to do live shows. John Mark told me about it. And you're sitting here acting like it's not happening. No, Utica is a show in Phoenix. Kelly's gonna be.

[Kelly Mantle]

We're gonna take the Kelly Mental show live. So drop a comment on where you would like for us to come see. Oh, wait, this isn't my podcast, is it? I won't see the comments.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm just happy for the engagement, Kelly. If you guys want to go see Kelly live, it's exactly this. I don't know what to say.

[Kelly Mantle]

Hey, listen, we did it for the first time in Boise, Ohio, and it was. Was so amazing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Boise's in Idaho.

[Kelly Mantle]

Idaho. Boise, Idaho. And it's not just a podcast we open. I open with a song. Like we have music. John Mark had choreography and dancers.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, wow.

[Kelly Mantle]

We had.

[Trixie Mattel]

People know John Mark used to dance.

[Kelly Mantle]

Huh?

[Trixie Mattel]

People don't know. John Mark was like a. A dance diva.

[Kelly Mantle]

Such a good dancer. I know. Hot and Freddy. Are you familiar with them?

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, they're incredible.

[Kelly Mantle]

They're incredible. They were our guest.

[Trixie Mattel]

What?

[Kelly Mantle]

On the podcast at Treefort in Boise. Shy girl. Oh, my God, it's so good.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're amazing. I love them. Congrats on their wonderful success.

[Kelly Mantle]

And Lady Gaga reposted them on her birthday.

[Trixie Mattel]

I only know about that because I saw Tik Tok on their page. It was like, you must if you're here from the Gaga video. I was like, oh, that's weird. You know, it's so good. Great artist.

[Kelly Mantle]

Scantily Clad Woman.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's Kelly's theme song.

[Kelly Mantle]

Scantily Clad Man. I love Hot and Freddy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Honey, you guys go see Kelly. I don't know what to say other than it's exactly this. Everybody wins. There could be dancing, there could be Hot and Freddy. Anything could happen.

[Kelly Mantle]

Honey, we gotta stick together in these trump ultuous times. So let's get together and let's lift each other up in humor. And if we feel like crying, let's cry. If we feel like speaking to spirits, let's speak to spirits. Let's just live our lives to the fullest.

[Trixie Mattel]

And let's check out the Kelly Mantle show.

[Kelly Mantle]

Ain't nobody gonna stop us now. Exactly. And please check out the Kelly Mantle show, which Trixie and Katya executive produce.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God. We shoot them on these very cameras.

[Kelly Mantle]

Yes, we do. Wow. And see, there's our curtains right there. Because this is behind the purple curtain. If you don't. Crazy now. You know, I don't think people know I know.

[Trixie Mattel]

All right. Bye, Kelly.

[Kelly Mantle]

Bye. I love you.

[Trixie Mattel]

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