Ru Paul's Drag Race Season 7: "Origins" with Trixie and Katya

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Ru Paul's Drag Race Season 7: 'Origins'"

The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya dives deep into the origins and behind-the-scenes experiences of RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7. Hosted by the dynamic duo, Trixie Mattel and Katya Zamolodchikova, this episode offers an engaging blend of personal anecdotes, candid critiques, and insightful reflections on the season that has left a significant mark in the Drag Race legacy.

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1. Introduction to Season 7 Experiences [25:32 - 29:00]

Budget Constraints and Drag Package Preparation

Trixie and Katya kick off their discussion by sharing the financial challenges they faced while preparing for Season 7. Katya mentions spending under $500 on her drag package, highlighting the lengths they went to create their looks.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [25:32]: "I spent under 500 on my Drag Race package and that was the most money I could get. I was borrowing money. I was asking gays who are older than me. Like I need a gown."

Trixie echoes similar sentiments, detailing how she had to borrow items and even transport her essentials in unconventional ways.

• Trixie Mattel [25:55]: "I had to borrow stuff. I had to carry on my Abraham Lincoln top hat on the plane, which was so humiliating."

First Impressions of Season 7 Contestants

Upon arriving at Drag Race, both hosts were surprised by the professionalism and quality of the other contestants' drag, which contrasted sharply with their own preparations.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [25:55]: "I did borrow stuff. It was fierce. Virgin. Virgin flu. Virgin."

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2. Auditioning for RuPaul's Drag Race [09:28 - 16:00]

Trixie's Audition Journey

Trixie recounts her multiple attempts to audition for the show, ultimately succeeding on her fourth or fifth try. She reflects on the intense psychological evaluations she underwent.

• Trixie Mattel [10:43]: "My audition for season six was very, very good. I wish I had it. I don't know if I have it. But I thought it was great."

Katya's Audition Process

Katya shares her unique audition strategy, which involved recording herself in a disheveled state to showcase her authentic self.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [09:40]: "My Sony Handycam... swaying and blurry, out of focus, obviously looking incredible in this bar footage from 2013."

Both emphasize the competitive nature of the casting process and the importance of perseverance.

• Trixie Mattel [12:02]: "I tried. I said that in the most, like, actually humble way."

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3. On-set Experiences and Challenges [16:00 - 39:00]

Financial Struggles During the Competition

The hosts discuss the financial strain of participating in the show, including overdrafts, borrowing money, and losing their jobs to focus on Drag Race.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [28:18]: "I had less than 100 in my bank account when I went to drive."

Adjusting to the Reality of Filming

Trixie and Katya delve into the emotional and psychological challenges faced during filming, such as imposter syndrome, fear, and the rigidity of Drag Race's environment.

• Trixie Mattel [38:57]: "This is not where I'm supposed to be. I'm not gonna succeed."

Interactions with Contestants and RuPaul

They share memories of interactions with fellow contestants like Miss Fame, Max, and Violet, highlighting both camaraderie and rivalry.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [31:08]: "And you kept watching thinking 'is she just ahead of where drag is.'"

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4. Critique of Season 7 [39:00 - 55:00]

Realness vs. Character-Driven Personas

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Season 7's emphasis on "realness" over distinct character personas, leading to a season that felt more grounded but less vibrant.

• Trixie Mattel [35:51]: "I think this is the season of realness. And I think that you only succeeded in this season if you were real."

Opinions on Specific Contestants

The hosts offer candid takes on various contestants, praising some while criticizing others for their performances and personalities.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [42:02]: "Violet has the absolute hands down worst entrance out of everybody in Drag Race herstory."

• Trixie Mattel [42:46]: "She was such a rude cunt. And she didn't say a word to me. But it was. She looked incredible."

Fashion and Runway Challenges

They critique the fashion choices and runway performances, pointing out both high points and low points in the contestants' presentations.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [46:31]: "Miss Fame's was out. Or no. Was it Candy Hoes made a lovely shirt."

• Trixie Mattel [51:12]: "It's like RuPaul knows. Don't interrupt. Let her keep it."

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5. Personal Reflections and Growth [55:00 - End]

Impact on Personal and Professional Lives

Reflecting on their participation, Trixie and Katya discuss how Drag Race influenced their careers and personal growth, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and resilience.

• Trixie Mattel [73:43]: "It's the permission and the evidence that they can do and be whatever they want to do and be. And I think that's super, super important and super cool."

Legacy and Viewer Impact

They touch on the show's impact on audiences, particularly younger viewers, and the broader implications for representation and acceptance within the LGBTQ+ community.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [73:43]: "It's the permission and the evidence that they can do and be whatever they want to do and be."

Closing Thoughts and Teasers for Future Episodes

Concluding the episode, Trixie and Katya tease upcoming discussions, including the promo shoot and further in-depth analyses of Season 7.

• Katya Zamolodchikova [74:34]: "Promo shoot next episode."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Trixie Mattel [25:55]: "I had to borrow stuff. I had to carry on my Abraham Lincoln top hat on the plane, which was so humiliating."

• Katya Zamolodchikova [38:55]: "I've made a mistake."

• Trixie Mattel [35:51]: "I think this is the season of realness. And I think that you only succeeded in this season if you were real."

• Katya Zamolodchikova [42:02]: "Violet has the absolute hands down worst entrance out of everybody in Drag Race herstory."

• Trixie Mattel [73:43]: "It's the permission and the evidence that they can do and be whatever they want to do and be."

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Bald and the Beautiful, Trixie and Katya provide an unfiltered look into their experiences with RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7. From the financial hurdles of preparing for the competition to the emotional rollercoaster of live television, their stories offer listeners both entertainment and insight. Their candid critiques of the season's structure and contestants add depth to the conversation, making this episode a must-listen for fans eager to understand the intricacies behind the glamor of Drag Race.

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Transcript

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What do you mean you were fondled?

[Trixie Mattel]

She felt about my legs.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. So we were on the phone talking about starting the drag race pod today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said I was on my run and I said, where are you? And she said, I'm over at the hardware store by our house. I said, oh yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh yeah. And then.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

She geolocated me within, like with the quickness.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did you notice on the call? I was like, well, what are you buying? Because I want to see what aisle you were.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh my God, that's so smart. I don't know because Mary, it took me about 20 minutes to go find what I was looking for there. Even though it's clearly sign, the signage is clear, you know, clear as day.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I got you. She was. What were you buying? Carpet something.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was buying carpet pads. Yes, I was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Girl, I got video of me ambushing you like a creeper. I set up the phone.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh my God, I thought it was. I thank God it wasn't singing because in the in the aisle just before this, I was really belting.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why was your finger up your butt? And why are you smelling it?

[Trixie Mattel]

That's. It's a nine inch nail.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Look at me.

[Trixie Mattel]

What am I doing?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't know what I'm doing.

[Trixie Mattel]

What are you doing?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No plan. I just walked.

[Trixie Mattel]

Look.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then I just grab. I just grab.

[Trixie Mattel]

She just came.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then you freak out.

[Trixie Mattel]

I freak out. And I continue to freak out, but slowly, I think.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what? I think it's good that you have boundaries because, you know, some of our ran through friends, we could just run up and grab and they're like carpet. You know, they don't care. At least you're like, is someone.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're like business as usual. Yeah, but I have to say something. I have to. I have to address my own situation, which is that I am still obsessed with bad reviews of certain TV shows and movies.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which one?

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, I read them. I read them. More than once sometimes. Sometimes I search them out. Like, for example, when Amelia Perez came out. I've read every single review of that. Even people on like Yahoo.com.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Most of them were written by you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah. But I need to share with you because something. Something about. And just like that has really rubbed me the wrong way. I'll share with you a picture right now of this woman, this actress who does not belong in the show, by the way.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Is it Rosie?

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no, no, no. Rosie played a nun, a virgin. Great. And. But I need you to look at this character and her outfit. That's me, mama. That's me. If you swap the brown hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Leather for sure. Oh, they're shorts.

[Trixie Mattel]

Brown. Yeah. Swap the brown hair for blonde. Oops. But look at her. Look at that outfit. That's me. Anyways, so I was like, what? What is it about this show that is so insufferable? I'm just gonna read it. This is a dumpster fire. Everything from the name of the show to the devolved lost significantly dumbed down and unlikable characters, boring storylines and pathetic but always politically correct dialogue. To horrendous spoiled 15 going on 40 children that all of them would have been better off not having because they're not capable of parenting them properly. To crass convos and sex scenes with senior citizens who still think they're 25. To sad forced relationship with equally lost and unlikable people. To forced DEI to non fashion that most of the time looks like something your crazy old aunt would wear. This show is completely unwatchable. Have. I have no idea how bald and.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The beautiful review or are they talking? Is this on YouTube? Is this a tik Tok comment about.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wait, it's a little bit more. Don't worry. Just bear with me, please. I have no idea how it ever made it past season one. Bring back the old writers if they're still alive. However, what I really think it boils down to is that there is no show here to be made anymore. There's no show about how these senior. There's no show about these new. These now senior characters. And any attempt to do so is as forced as the sex scenes in the DEI politically correct component. The characters have nothing left to say. They finished saying it all 25 years ago. And emotionally, they remained in their 30s. What's really depressing is to realize that these women didn't have a happy ending. They may be rich and completely out of touch with reality and the rest of humanity, but their lives haven't worked out. They're exactly where they were 25 years ago, but significantly worse for wear. This used to be fun fashion, forward smart satire, but now it's a depressing congregation of clowns.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Signed Kim Cattrall.

[Trixie Mattel]

But that the most succinct indictment.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Is that how you feel about it?

[Trixie Mattel]

155.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, why do you keep watching it? No, no, I try. I try.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why do you try?

[Trixie Mattel]

Because. Because it pulls me. It's like the ring. It's like in the, you know, Lord of the Rings. But then I. I put the ring on and I'm like, ooh, you smell that?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You don't taste that.

[Trixie Mattel]

The only. I'm just. I know. I'm flabbergasted because I wonder if any of our.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Our listeners watch it and what they feel.

[Trixie Mattel]

They have to. They have to because there's people in there. I'm of the age that was. I've watched Sex in the City every episode. You know, it's not a great show, but it was cool, right? Carrie was cool. She's now looked at as a villain and an asshole, but she was cool. Samantha was very cool. The girls were fun and cool. They weren't like, trying to be diverse or politically correct. They were fucking in New York City.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, can I be honest? I find sometimes, like people's hot takes about a show from 20 years ago. It's like, girl, that's not. That's not the slam dunk you think it is.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right. Of course.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

All shows in retrospect. Yeah. Which we'll get to. The old show we're watching right now.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Mama.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But my example of that is like, I love the office. And people will be like, it's actually not cool how Jim, like, bullies do. I'm like, girl, yeah, I know. Go write a letter.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And sit on it and hope it turns into an egg and hope that hatches and that chicken eats you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, think about this. Sex in the City. The og. No cell phones, Mama.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No cell phones.

[Trixie Mattel]

Just in the Meatpacking district. Vibe.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It wasn't text in the city.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no, it was not. It was corded phone.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She literally is it phone booth.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's corded answering machines. Yes. I've never seen it.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's post it notes. It's. It's narration. It was. It was. It was fun and it was never boring.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did you ever live in a dorm?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you remember whiteboards on the wall?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hey, where were you? Call me. Whatever. When your friend comes by and you're not there, they leave.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I've never seen. I've never had that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, but post, you didn't have any visitors because she didn't have any friends. Post its blood.

[Trixie Mattel]

You scrawled it in blood on the. On the bathroom mirror.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I provided the board. I did not provide the marker. Bring your own marker.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, who's. What. What college student is not carrying a bunch of dry erase. Is in the. In the, in the satchel.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, our version of that on Drag Race was we used to pass each other notes under the door.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God. That's right. That's right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Should we start? Because I'm.

[Trixie Mattel]

Let's just do it. Let's just do it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Guest is the beginning of a rewatch, and I guess we could explain to the guests what they can expect. We're not Pit stop.

[Trixie Mattel]

But you know what, though?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Nopes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I have receipts. I have receipts. I have copious amounts of scrawled notes because I did do my homework.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I watched one episode a night. We're going to do this in chunks. We're doing this in chunks.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Today we're going to do one through four.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, one through two, because we also have to do we have a prequel and the promo.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's right. Okay, so to start the series, we're going to talk about getting cast auditioning, and we're going to talk about shooting.

[Trixie Mattel]

The promo shoot on which show?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 on Loco TV. 2015. 200010 years ago. Can I tell you, I have not watched this or honestly thought about it in 10 years. And watching it was some black mirror.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was a little bit traumatizing. Crazy. It was crazy. It was cringy. And mind you, the both of us attended how many? Eight premiere parties as it rolled out. Because we had to watch that eight times in a row.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The premiere episode.

[Trixie Mattel]

Remember the premiere episode? We watched it in New York. We watched it in la, we watched it in Vegas. We watched Chicago. We watched it in somewhere else. Somewhere else.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We had to travel and do shows for free.

[Trixie Mattel]

For free.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Eight shows for free. Can you believe that?

[Trixie Mattel]

And in Chicago, I hadn't slept for two nights sober.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Girl. Everything about doing dress. So I guess let's start from the beginning. It's season seven. Let's set the scene. Well, where were you 2015? Donald Trump hadn't been invented yet.

[Trixie Mattel]

No. Where were you when you got the call? The first call for the first psych evaluation?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, so when you audition for Drag Race, I don't know what your process was, but mine was to, before my number, peek out the curtain, hand someone. My Sony Handycam, and some. Someone who seemed less drunk and saying, can you just film this?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's already recording. So all my clips for Drag Race were like, some drunk person, I don't know, like, swaying and blurry, out of focus, obviously looking incredible in this bar footage from 2013. So I auditioned because I had got fired from the Mac counter and had all this free time, and I got the call. When I was in beauty school, I got a call from my LA number. Because you get the email first.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And the call. Whatever. I got the email and was like, are the call. And I was like, hello? And they were like, it's casting for RuPaul's Drag Race. And they basically say, you're moving ahead, but we need more information. And then I think I did a psychological evaluation.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, mine was a little bit different.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Maybe I remember it wrong.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no. But I. I also remember you sharing years ago that you got carjacked. But that's another story for another day the week before. Yeah. Fucking crazy. I. So I had. How many times had you auditioned? Was the first time I did an.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Audition the two years prior. But, I mean, this was the first year I really read the thing, did everything they asked for. Put a lot of time into it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Effort. I audition once in college.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay. I did. I think. I'm pretty sure this was my fifth time.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, wow.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or fourth time, at least four. And my audition for season six was very, very good. I wish I had it. I don't Know if I have it. But it was. I thought it was great. And I thought at the time, I was like, if they don't want me, it's. They don't want me because this is the as good as it's going to get, Right?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which isn't great at the time.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, it was not great at the time, but for me, it was good, right? And.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, God, do you finish that tape? And you were like, salt Bay. You were like.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, no, I should have been like, snooky. Like, this is so bad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

For real. We didn't have iPhones to film, Larry. It was.

[Trixie Mattel]

I had the previous year, before my good audition, I filmed one. Upon rewatch, I was like, are you on heroin? It was so low energy because it was just me. You have to have somebody do it. Like, I had my friend Avi filmed the. The other one because it's like, hey, like, hey, wake up. You gotta be odd. Like. Like, pick up the pace or whatever. You have to be directed. So I got a call from them. They were like, hey, are you gonna audition this year? What? Yeah. And it was. I was like. I was like, oh. I mean, what do you. What? What? Like, do you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You're like, so you guys.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, no, honestly, I tried. I said that in the most, like, actually humble way. I was like, what are you trying to say? She was so good. She was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So are you gonna audition for what? She was like, also, can't you just re. Watch the tape from last year?

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what the tea is?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. That was so annoying because it's so hard making that video.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You guys screaming.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm screaming.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If you google, I'm sure you can find an audition process. I think it's worse now. Before, it was like 15 Runway looks, two characters.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Two footage of you lip syncing.

[Trixie Mattel]

And then the song, her song, and a RuPaul song.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And you had to answer all these questions about your personal life.

[Trixie Mattel]

Questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then halfway through the process, as they're whittling it down, Mary, I live in Boston. I don't have a car. I don't even know if I had a license. Yeah, I did have a license, but Fina had to drive me to Connecticut to go to the psychiatrist office to fill out a 500 question, MBTI, whatever, inventory, personality inventory that determines whether or not you're a psychopath.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was fact that you passed it, Mom.

[Trixie Mattel]

I knew how to work this. It was like. It was. The questions were multiple choice, and they were like, okay, do you love apples? Love to set people on fire. That's okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You. And I remember this a little differently because I found that test very tricky because the questions would be like. The questions would be like, I believe in myself, and you'd have to do strongly agree to strongly disagree. And, like, it'd be like, I believe myself. You know, I believe that everyone generally looks out for each other. Sometimes at night, my soul leaves my body. If you didn't pay attention, they put these crazy ones.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then it'd be like, I love lemons. God is out to punish me. Like, they sneak them in there.

[Trixie Mattel]

Lemons are Nazis. Yeah. I mean, it's like. It's really crazy. It's crazy. That's how 500 questions.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. And I don't want to talk about it, but if you Google why networks do that, there was certain instances with television programs with people coming home and harming themselves and others.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, wow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So that's what it's about, is about protecting the cast.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, I'm not sure how they. I. I'm not sure what that does that an ironclad NDA and waiver can't do, but whatever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The craziest person I can think of is the president.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So anything is. If you're crazy, you guys out there, who's absolutely crazy, anything is possible. It's all open for you, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

You can either be on Drag Race.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or the President, but apparently not be on Drag Race. And by the way, can't be on.

[Trixie Mattel]

Reality tv, but you can be.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And in a room with people. Like, in a room with the people on season seven. Who's the sane one?

[Trixie Mattel]

Nobody. This cast is Jaden, girl.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Jaden, the only rock of the group, wiping the tears through the glasses, girl. So, okay, I. I remember I auditioned. Where were you? Okay. I was at beauty school. And I remember I was at beauty school, and I got the real call. And then when I finally had a FaceTime, I don't know if they happened to you, but they. They FaceTimed me and recorded it to tell me I made it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If you look up the footage, I'm in my garden level basement apartment in a blue sweater, and they say, well, we just wanted to talk to you because you're gonna be on season seven of RuPaul's Drag Race. And I started crying.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Cuz I care too much. And I'm, you know, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember. This is so corny. I ran, screamed down the hallway to my roommate Reed. I Did it. I did it. And we hugged and jumped up and down. And then I ran out the front door of my apartment and ran down the street smiling like a movie.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was so happy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. I was so happy. And I called my mom and my mom cried. I was so happy. And then about 15 minutes went by, and the gravity of what is happening.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because, Mama, that list, the packing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Two weeks before I was supposed to be on drug, or maybe three weeks the next day, I went to beauty school, clean up my locker and left gag. Because I was like, I got to go.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But I kept serving tables at rock bottom.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know why. Well, that's smart, though.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I kept my job serving till halfway through the season, I think.

[Trixie Mattel]

Smart, smart, smart.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I would be working at the salon, working front desk, and people be like, you on Drag Race? I'd be like, yeah, hold on a second. Hello, Scot Free Salon. Yeah. Cut in color, of course.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah. Judith can see when. A Sunday.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, I, I. When she gave me that, that, that phone call, I was like, oh, I think this is, this is a good. This is good. Something, Something about that. So I rushed into the video. It was not as good as last year, but I was like, I think it's just a formality at this point. It was. And that was the assumption. And it was. And it was like. Because I think they said. She said, we loved your video last time.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

But you just didn't fit in, which I do not. I mean, I would have been chopped third on season six.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What I can appreciate now and watching it is they. Obviously, it's about talent and all that, but they have to cast people also based on who's already been cast.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It has to be diverse. It has to be different personalities. It has to be.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Because it's a puzzle. Then they have to try to put the pieces together, and sometimes those. It doesn't work. Sometimes it does. I think on season six, it worked tremendously. But, like. And then, yeah, the same thing. I was seated at my desktop computer when the Skype thing happened, and I was like, it was so glitchy and, like, laggy. And then I was like, using your neighbor's Internet, stealing. I sip in gases. I serve in gas, too.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What? You didn't even have a computer. It was a spiral notebook opened, and.

[Trixie Mattel]

You were just talking to yourself next to an antenna. I was like, grabbing the antenna and.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

With a paper, with a tinfoil tinf. All wrapped around it, connected to the.

[Trixie Mattel]

Head, and I was Like, I was like. I was like, are you serious? I was like, I ran down the street too, but it was just, go get cigarettes. And I. I actually told everybody I knew.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I told them every single presented, which is not tell everyone.

[Trixie Mattel]

I told every single person. They said, don't you dare tell anyone. I told 16, told me we've pulled.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

People from the show because they've told too many people before they get here.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So I believe that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. No, I'm. I'm joking. I didn't tell. I didn't tell. I only told maybe three. I told my parents right away, and then I had to tell the show director because I was like, you know, and I had to tell my boss.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

But a lot of people didn't know. And a lot of people didn't even know about me in Boston. I was not anybody.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can I tell you? I believe that. However, I had Sapphire on the YouTube channel. Look out for it, or it already aired. I don't know. And I said, what was it like to work with Katya in Boston? And she said, well, she had a very strong local following, which is what I had. I wasn't booked in booths, but when I had something, a small cult showed up.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. It was like that, but over the course of seven years.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like it took that long. And it was a once a month show that I recall so fondly. And it was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Sapphira said that was the show where you got your rent paid, Mama.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She said that.

[Trixie Mattel]

That also. That was a show where you got your confidence back. Because after it gets chipped away on the weekends, every weekend, a little bit of degradation. Humiliation on the Bachelorettes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Every first Monday it's renewed, right. And you're like, oh, I want to do drag, because this is fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

But yeah, that. Without that Monday show, Mom, I would have tried to do like law school or something. Pet detective. I don't know anything. Anything other than drag.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I believe you could be someone's pet.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, so the, the packing. Can I tell you, I'm just gonna tell you guys, I spent under 500 on my drag Race package and that was the most money I could get. I was borrowing money. I was asking gays who are older than me. Like I need a gown.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

For something. Yep. It's like my, my, my bearded Runway is a 120 gown from INS. From Amazon.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like I didn't even know people with nice drag. So imagine my surprise when we get there and miss Fame exists. Baby Violet exists. And I was like, oh, Jasmine Masters jewelry exists. I'm like, oh, you guys actually have shoes and have jewelry. Remember Jasmine had shoes and jewelry for days.

[Trixie Mattel]

Everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Ginger had dinner plate rings. Rings bigger than her hand.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Fame had microsealed, vacuum packed hair netted, shrink wrapped custom hair wig, Swiss lace. Like brand new in packaged in a.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Way that was, I guess I could consider surgical.

[Trixie Mattel]

Surgical. Like, like a, like a Pope's organ transplant. Like that's the level care 100%.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We'll get to it. But I, I actually think I probably had less drag and less money than most people there. I mean I had nothing.

[Trixie Mattel]

I could probably go toe to toe with you on that because I had to, I had to borrow stuff. I had to. The, the Shakespeare. My, it's not horrible, but that Shakespeare dress I had to borrow from Ryan Landry's husband Scott. Just flat out I was like, can I just. Please. I just need something. Please, please. I had nothing Victorian or Elizabethan or anything like that. I had to carry on my Abraham Lincoln top hat on the plane, which was so humiliating. Cause the woman next to me said, are you a magician? It was so humiliating.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You said, honey, I'm about to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

[Trixie Mattel]

Honey, I just shoved a nuke up my pussy. So it was. And then I did all the wrong things. I did all the wrong things. Tell me why. Tell me why. I spend hours and hours, hours stoning nails in stoning shitty catsuits.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No one's going to see.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nobody's going to see. Nobody sees stones on television unless they're big.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Unless they're really big plastic stones.

[Trixie Mattel]

Even then. Even then.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So I would like to get into the. So that's usually five suitcases. Yes, that was the time you got five suitcases. £50 each.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And they. They reimbursed you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But when you got.

[Trixie Mattel]

When you got there. So. But it was fierce. Virgin. Virgin flu. Virgin. 150 for those five suitcases, Mama. On the way back, while my. My checking account is overdrawn because we've.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

All left our jobs. We've been gone for a month and a half.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nothing. I had to beg them mid season to. To let. To like do a transfer at the bank because I was going in the red overdrawn every day. 535 for luggage on Delta. I couldn't pay it the way I could not pay it. The.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I had to borrow.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know how we did it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My friend gave me cash in an envelope to pay for the bags to get.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean I'm. I did not have. I had less than 100 in my bank account when I went to drive.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nothing. Zero. Yeah. I cleaned myself out and also stole a lot from my store.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And you. I have to also give a shout out to my friends in Milwaukee. My friend Dan at the time, my friend Raymond. My friend Reed.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My apartment moved while I was a drag race.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, wow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And my friends all got together and even though I didn't talk about. Everyone knew where I was. They all got together and moved me. So when I got back, I was already moved.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's the cuntiest thing ever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like shout out to read. Read the page. It's organizing that. I mean, that is so wild princess behavior. But that's how gay people in your early 20s. If you all share one drag queen friend. She is baby. A little bit. She's baby. It's like, oh, mama's at drag. Like, we all. Let's have a moving party on behalf of our friend who's so you know, transsexual that they can't even bother to move their own shit, you know, to.

[Trixie Mattel]

Be like Tron sexuality.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So we get. Mind you, never been to Los Angeles, never left Wisconsin. Really.

[Trixie Mattel]

Never been to California.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Fly. We get there. I got a special voice message from a certain person from Drag Race to open the season as a surprise for you. Can we play it?

[Trixie Mattel]

No way.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I worked my connections.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is it RuPaul? I would die. It's not RuPaul. Trixie and Coti, it's your mother, Michelle. Season seven was amazing. I don't give a poop what the hater's gonna say, because the haters are gonna hate. Season seven was iconic. Obviously. Violet hated me. That was iconic. She loves me now. I'm pretty sure you had Miss Fame. You had Max and Max's gorgeous silver hair, which I get a lot of flack for. For pushing her out of her comfort zone and making her try something else just for once. And what happened? And then, of course, the shakes Queer challenge. And then there was ginger, Minj and eggs. Then there was the tan mom. I have a lot of great memories about season seven, and I loved it, and I love you, and I'm so proud of everything that you kids have accomplished. The reign of terror that you've just deployed out into the world. The kids love you, and rightfully so, but not as much as I do.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, that was Audra McDonald. That's sweet. I'm just kidding.

[Trixie Mattel]

Patti LuPone's apology. That was so great.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I got close to Michelle during Queen of the Universe, you know, because judging with her is obviously completely different experience than being judged by her.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And she told me when I did that, because I never. You know, when we get to Drag Race, I don't really understand. It's weird because so many of us audition, but then when we get there and receive critique, we kind of don't expect it. We're flummoxed. It's like, girl, you sign up to be critiqued, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. But also, I think the big. The fish out of water, the shell shock, is that there's no media training. You get thrown into the. The. You get thrown into a fishbowl that you think is fresh water. It was actually saline with blood in it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you remember who did our media training?

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Jacob. Slain.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God, you're right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

What a. What a prim. What a primer. But, like. But so. But when you get there, this is. So you arrive in la, but we didn't go to the Studio?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no.

[Trixie Mattel]

We go to another studio. Fresh off the plane.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This wasn't even aired.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you walk into a room, and who walks in with a 10 gallon hat?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Paul Raymond walks in.

[Trixie Mattel]

RuPaul walks in, and you're like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So they. Yeah. Got off the plane. They take you to studio and go, you're gonna walk in. There's gonna be someone in there. And you go, okay, great. You walk in, and it's RuPaul.

[Trixie Mattel]

RuPaul. And a giant cowboy sits right next.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

To you and asks you questions about your life. But can I be honest? I was impressed by how much she knew. She knew specific details from my audition video.

[Trixie Mattel]

Me too.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She knew where I was from.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I felt. Even though I was terrified, it actually made me feel very seen.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God. But we had. So then we had to sing a fudgeing song in. In a recording studio. I've never been in a recording studio. I've never sung in my life.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

And at one point, she's like, come on, white boy, find the rhythm. And. And I'm doing the. The theme to dress.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You said, this has nothing about me being white. I'. You said, Wait, wait, wait, wait. Baby, you still had your earplugs in from the. From the plane. You said, what?

[Trixie Mattel]

My ears haven't bought yet. I can't do it, girl.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I drag you. Which I thought was a, like, an ominous portent of my, like. Oh, the canceled show. You want me to do the canceled show? Okay. Fierce in a Russian accent. It was so stupid. It was so weird. And it was such a bizarre, like, introduction to that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's kind of like a.

[Trixie Mattel]

And nobody ever saw this.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My nightmare is that I would be high and something like that would happen to me. I would never recover. The only thing that got me through that was, like, Kegels and, like, thinking about something else. Like, I bet RuPaul was talking to me, and it was like. Like, I was just kind of like.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can remember her in the booth with me saying, it's a miracle. Like, she was incredible, actually. Her voice was incredible. And then it got hot in the studio, and then I start sweating. It was just like. It was a nightmare.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I got Geronimo. Geronimo. And I remember RuPaul was like, well, I know that you have Native American heritage, so we gave you Geronimo.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I put this feather headdress on. And then.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I said, like, in my mind, I go, okay. Geronimo was a Native American war hero whose wife and children were Slaughtered in front of him. Now make your booty bounce. It was like. I didn't know what to say, but I felt like, well, at least he knew that about me. So let's go for it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh God, it was wild.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I can I. We have to skip ahead to so then. So entrances. Yeah, I'm watching this. I haven't seen this in 10 years. Can I tell you before we get started? Because I know we're already 30 minutes into this. The way I watched this show, I thought I'll just put it on one episode. As you know, I'm watching whenever. I haven't seen it so long. Haha. The feeling I feel watching it. I have both hands on the wall on the other end of the room with the tv. I have my mouth snatched open, my eyes are rolled back. It's very bird box.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm like, I'm Evil Dead, the girl coming out of the water.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Something about watching this is so creepy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Full body chills.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Honestly, it's so cringe. It's so weird. And there's nothing wrong with this season, but being in it ruins it. I'll watch season six or eight and have a great time, but watching us, I'm like, ooh.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or like a current season. I mean, I. When I watch Bosco's, that. Not Bosco's Drag Race. When I watch Bosco's Drag Race, When I watch Drag Race with Bosco on it, I'm like, fierce. Yeah, work, whatever. This is not that. But I think, you know what I think it is. And this is more of an overarching kind of analysis. I think this is the season of realness. And I think that you only succeeded in this season if you were real. It wasn't about characters, it wasn't about Personas. It was about being real.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was the realness. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And there was. That was the poor naked. Yeah, that was the kind of. The promo. That was the setup. Because season six was very character driven and very artifice in Persona because those people were like polished and. And very. Had a point of view. Really good. Like Courtney and Bianca. Incredible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nobody like that here. Nobody like Bianca. No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was really weird. So I remember waking up at 5:30 in the morning to get in drag for this first day of Drag Race. 5:00am Maybe 5, 8, 4:30.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember shaving. I remember the feeling of it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember. Any drugs? I had no drugs.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I remember being in the hotel and thinking, not only do I have to be in drag, but they're gonna bring all my suitcases to Set with me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wait, wait. Also, do you remember when they, they, they, they. What do you call that?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They Metal. Detect us to make sure we have. We're staying at the Beverly Garland Hotel.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They take away your phone. Everything that's. Everything that's electronic. It's very Amish coded.

[Trixie Mattel]

No. No computers. No walkman. No walkman. 1972.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Take away your record player. They took away my gramophone. Oh, my God. They took away my laserdisc player. Everything. My hit clips.

[Trixie Mattel]

My fat back tv.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My fat back tv. So, yeah. And something you guys have to remember about Drag Race is unless you're on camera, you spend all of your time in silence.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or locked in a hotel room.

[Trixie Mattel]

Locked in a hotel room.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No phone.

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No computer.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I'm not a TV person. I'm really not. Especially at that point. I'm like a movie watcher. Or like, I don't, I, I don't watch anything with commercials. Like, and so I'm not the type person who could just veg out in front of the TV set and like, like just zone out through a commercial. I had a very hard time. Yeah, Very hard time.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Bored.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've never been bored. Very boring. But that was, that was tough.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And walking in, I had to hold forever. You probably had to hold longer than me before you walked out onto the, the, the entrance.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Held it forever. I have such a distinct memory of standing. And I'm, I'm not kidding. A four dollar dress, a skirt over my shoulders as a cape. It's a white skirt from H and M. A Camry spray painted gold. That bang piece. That isn't a bang.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's a. It's a Portuguese roll, a cheap sun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hat, and the only pair of shoes I own, which is a pair of.

[Trixie Mattel]

White pumps that would get considerable screen time over the course of the season.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I remember standing and they give you a full length mirror. And I remember the PA being like, just have fun. You're going to be great. And I remember standing in my. Your first time, you're in a sound stage, so it's all padded walls and you see the fake walls and I don't know if you're me, you realize it's not even a real room. That's how new to TV I was. I didn't even understand that there was a sound stage with a fake workroom in it. I didn't even understand that.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, me neither.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So I hear everyone chattering and my first thought is, I've only had this thought a few times. If I Start running right now. Can I get out of this somehow? My first thought was, I have lied to everyone here and they're gonna find me out.

[Trixie Mattel]

I have full body chills. I literally. It's not quite the same, but it's almost exactly the same as it. I made a huge mistake.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I've made a mistake.

[Trixie Mattel]

This is.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You're gonna get me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Yeah. I was like, this is not where I'm supposed to be. I'm not gonna succeed.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm a liar.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I've got. I. I'm not this type of person. I'm not this. Like, I'm something else. This is not like it was. And it wasn't imposter syndrome. It was just like. It was just fear.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Fear.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was pure fear racing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And mind you, when you walk in the workroom, you've never seen it, and they say something abstract to you, like, there's two tables. Walk up to the second table and see 10 seconds. And they said, it's longer than you think.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So say your line and then model or whatever for like a full 10 seconds.

[Trixie Mattel]

Seconds. And 10 seconds is a really long time when you have a table full of. To your left that you can't even see yet.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Not to mention, your idea is, okay, there's going to be mirrors, there's going to be other drag queens, there's going to be tables. You don't even think about cameramen.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nope.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You walk in and there's. I'm not kidding, five, five, six giant cameras on giant tripods with people in all black like this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I walk in and all I can feel is the studio lights you never see. And the cameras I've never seen.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The whole workroom is like, who cares? All I can feel is the lights in the cameras. And I think I said, I. Well, you came in before me, but I said, this isn't Maury Povich.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because I thought somebody as white trash as me would probably only get on television through some kind of family trauma playing out on a talk show.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But we could have been having a medical event.

[Trixie Mattel]

It just doesn't work anyways. But you can call me Katya. I'm on accident and I'm just your, I can't even run. Of the male Russian bisexual trans miss Night Hooker.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I actually think it's very charming.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's fine. I have an opinion. Violet has the absolute hands down worst entrance out of everybody in Drag Race herstory.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I and Ginger had the best one. I rewatched Violets like three times.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's so un. It is.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What is it?

[Trixie Mattel]

It's so wobbly, unsure of herself. And she's like, who is it?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's like she didn't know they were running audio.

[Trixie Mattel]

She goes like this. Who is it? O la la la la.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That literally is it.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's. It was like. She's like, oh, who is it?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's creeped out.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's creeped. It's like creepy. She, it was. And it was so bad. It was horrible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was, I have horrible. Do you know, also I remember about this, she obviously she, she looked pretty great. And she looked, she was missing one violet contact. So she one brown eye. And I remember going, I can see your brown eye. It might be dinner first. And she's like, didn't care. Yeah, I think. And I don't care. Making fun of Violet because she did send us this voice clip.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I got Violet to send us a boy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh my God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Violet responds to a certain amount of just reach out in person. I text her being like, can you send us a voice club?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So this is Violet. I asked her to talk about season seven as a whole. Obviously we all know she wins.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And she deserves it. Sure.

[Trixie Mattel]

Let me tell you one thing about season seven. You two did not stand A chance. The only ones that really stood a chance, in my opinion, was Miss Fame. When she walked in, we all gagged. And Max.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Max was a front runner in the competition. People do not remember this. And.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was a weird season. And I wasn't supposed to win, but I did because it was undeniable. And all you other sucked and can kick rocks.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Put that in your little podcast. Put out. Put that on your little podcast.

[Trixie Mattel]

She just said, well, I mean, the more things change, the more things stay the same. She's still a cunt.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what, though? But Violet shows kindness in very unconventional ways. The fact that she took time to send us a note. Yeah, I don't know if she would do that for a lot of people.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no, no, no.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And Violet, we do love you. And watching it, I texted her, being like, you are amazing.

[Trixie Mattel]

She did that. She did that, girl. She did all of that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We're gonna get to her Runway. But what? She produced this episode. I'm like, yeah, the best thing here.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. But Ginger's. It wasn't her entry line, but it was her opening sound bite, which I adore. Ginger, I'm an overweight, asthmatic, chain smoking, cross dresser from Orlando, Florida. That is perfect.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which, by the way, doesn't narrow you down in Florida. That could be so many people.

[Trixie Mattel]

That is a person who knows herself. You know what I mean? She knows exactly who she is. It was very, like. It was the opposite of Violet, in my opinion, because she was very seasoned. She was like, she's a workhorse.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can I say?

[Trixie Mattel]

She was. I love that line.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I look ugly. And watching Ginger, I thought, this is 10 years old and her face looks great. She looks. She looks pretty.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's got some. She's got some. Because, I mean, it's no secret that the whole season I thought she was gonna win.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Ginger.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah. Like 100. It was not. If I. If I. I could bet my whole. Whatever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I thought she was going to win, too. For. For most of it. And you know what I remember? Call. We'll get to it later. But I remember calling Violet during the hello Kitty Ball. I called it after I saw the episode. I said, you're going to win. That was amazing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Really.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was a complete turning point for me. I was like, she's going to win. That was great. I wrote down some notes when I watched it. Mind you, I watched it absurdly high.

[Trixie Mattel]

Miss Fame. Okay, let me tell you, before we got on, there was one. I was on Reddit, and there was one queen I was terrified of getting I was like, please God, don't let Ms. Fame get on. Please, God, don't let Ms. Fame get on.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You were threatened by.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was Ms. Fame. But watching it back. Boo Boo. Girl, she looks so Boo Boo. That tape, that painting arts and crafty.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's giving tape on the face.

[Trixie Mattel]

Expert makeup artist in that face. Was not it in the walk. That was like, like, greeting, greetings, Earth queens. I come in peace. It's like she. It was so awkward. She.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. I watched up to season episode six already. Her character develops in a very endearing way, but I forgot that at the beginning of the season she's the Ice Queen and.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, no, no, she's insufferable.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know?

[Trixie Mattel]

And honestly, Violet was the Ice Queen. She was the motormouth Maybell.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If you ask me now about Miss Fame, I. I will tell you that she is extremely nice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's chatty and delusional, but she is. She would give you the shirt off her back.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's a lovely.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So fucking.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's an angel. She is an angel.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I wrote violence Violet's entrance line. I just also wrote Max.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, me too.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Says not posted a picture in drag since 2018. I researched it. Max looks amazing. I think Max is ahead of her.

[Trixie Mattel]

Time on Max gorgeous would have slayed season 10 on girl. Most flawless face on Drag Race. Like, not a poor.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Perfect.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not a poor.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I love the entrance with the paper. The. The Max is from Hudson, Wisconsin. They don't talk like that there, so I don't know about that.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was from Kensington.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's from rural. Rural Wisconsin. Like me. And I'm like, hey, Drake.

[Trixie Mattel]

But see, you know, but see, I think to my, like, I think just for my strength in my thesis is that she. Because of the realness factor. She never gave realness. Yeah, she never gave realness. But. But we don't want realness from Max because she gives such good fantasy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She really doesn't. Because I, I'm. I'm a few episodes in now. I kept watching it thinking, is she just ahead of where drag. Like she's playing chess.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's drag now.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She could be on season 18 and.

[Trixie Mattel]

We'D be like kind of like Tammy Car. Tammy. Tammy Brown plus Miss Fame or something. You know what I mean? She's a high concept character with super polished. She's a model.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, the same way I probably had more makeup on than anybody had on Drag Race at that point.

[Trixie Mattel]

She had like less and always took forever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She, she. All my memories of her taking three hours to Put makeup on.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was like a drone. Had to like geolocated before. It was like it was. Took forever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And just like wrap up entrances too. I honestly as a viewer, now that I'm watching it, it doesn't even seem like us. It doesn't seem like you and I in the show. Jazz and masters is the best thing there.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And also to come in and be like. Like, thank God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Realness.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was so real.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The interviews are always hilarious.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was off camera. She's a terrible actor. So Jasmine is a. One of the worst actors known to me is. But also the most entertaining person known to man. So off camera, she. I don't think I ever like, was not laughing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's so fudge.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's kind of the star of it. Like personality wise. Every time she talks, it's fudgeing funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

In the van going to and from cracking up. Like, she's. She was always just a delight to be near every single time, no matter what. So yeah, she's never exercised a day in her drag. I was like, how do you. What do you do? Polite. She's like, I'd Never exercise love. 40 years old, 37. Or something like that one time too.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was in the club with her and she. She puts a napkin on top of her wine glass and stabs the straw through. She said, I don't want debris in here. Like people are gonna walk by and put drywall in our drink or something.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, I saw that for the lady.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I always think of it. I thought just to wrap up the cast because we haven't really introduced everybody.

[Trixie Mattel]

I thought Tempest's was fabulous.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Tempest has a nice strong entrance.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Pearl looks so cool to me. The black ear, the chin strap. I. She looked amazing. Sup? I thought it was so strong.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I Sasha Bell.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's hard for me to not think of her as my top daddy who fills me up with loads because, like, that's how I think of her now.

[Trixie Mattel]

Mary. I have. I have thrown coins into her only fans bucket. I will just say that right now. Yanked it to her big ass bot like butt.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it's not. Obviously she's gone through some physical transformations, but as a person, I just feel like bone structure wise male maturity. She got so like thirst magnet hot just a couple years ago.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thick daddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's so hot.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And in this, her drag is also so. Her drag now is so specific. Graphic makeup, rainbow. And in this, she's really local girl, crunchy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Crunchy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And at this point, by the way, we are all local gals.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. Ms. Fame was the only, like, nationally known one.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't think Miss Fame had been in a gay nightclub. I don't think she was out.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was. She was a YouTuber. That's it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Damn.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So Tempest is 57 now. So she was 47 at the time. At this point, Tempest was the oldest competitor.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was 46 the time of filming. 47 at the time of airing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. And she had just got her legs sewn back on. Remember she had gone, oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she dropped about a £450.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. She had just had. I almost called it a car wash. Car crash. She went through that car wash and lost her leg.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like Jiffy Lube took the leg.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I also wrote, this is like not ageism anyway. RuPaul is so young. You know what, though? She really is young looking.

[Trixie Mattel]

She out of drag is to me does not looks a little something.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's so thin.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's thin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we'll get to it. Every. In my notes on every episode.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The drag is ridiculous from the neck.

[Trixie Mattel]

Up, at least some. It was hit or miss with the gowns, her hair and the hair and makeup is perfection.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Girl, I was watching this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Perfection.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Sometimes the TV is my living room and I can sit outside on the porch and I can like do a joint and watch Drag Race. And I was sitting out there watching her on the tv and I was like, she knows. She looks good too, girl, she fucking knows.

[Trixie Mattel]

I got like a 60,000 inch TV. It's a big old Gooner. And I, I'm like. My nose is about eight and a half inches from the screen. And she looks. And I'm like. Because it was Matthew.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, it was Matthew. And shout out to the wonderful talent.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it's like I. I got to have a cigarette with him once after the show aired, but he, he never put her in those white loaves.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't like the white hair.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no, she. The white loaf, that is. She's standing in front of. You know how it looks like that sometimes? Like she's standing in front of a white loaf these days anyways. But she was. So the makeup every time. Some of the accessories could have used bigger earrings, but it was like the hair and makeup was actually perfect. It's actually perfect.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This is. I mean, the eyebrows, the way they sculpt RuPaul's eyes, it just. This was like an era of RuPaul where you almost want to pause the TV and get close to it. And also, she's unbelievable.

[Trixie Mattel]

And this was the season where she stepped. She stepped outside of her box, literally, Like. Like during our dance challenge, the first time she showed her legs in it forever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was shocked to see her legs. It was like, she's got legs.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You knew she had them.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. So the mini challenge.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, so the mini challenge is.

[Trixie Mattel]

Blowing our wads.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I couldn't believe. So most seasons, you're like, all right, they're going to dump me in a tank. I'm going to ride a rodeo, whatever.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They make us do a spring and fall fashion Runway presentation, by the way. Me at 23 from Wisconsin, googling. What is Bryant Park?

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, me. When they said that, I was like, two of my best. Well, one of my best looks. I'm gonna blow in a mini challenge. You.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I couldn't. I honestly was like. I didn't know what Bryant park was. I didn't. I'd never seen.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yours were so bad. I'm sorry. They were so bad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You want to talk about yours?

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

My spring was bad. My fall was cunt.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The fall was cool. You don't like my sequin with the shoulders?

[Trixie Mattel]

I hated it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I like that dress.

[Trixie Mattel]

But it was so brunch.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Brunch.

[Trixie Mattel]

Brunch. It was like brunch drag.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, I didn't. It was like I didn't even have the qualifications. Qualifications to get booked at a brunch. It wasn't even brunch drag. It was at home.

[Trixie Mattel]

And how dare you. That yellow catsuit, while not appropriate for any Runway, was still a very fierce costume.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You put on your piss, yellow catsuit.

[Trixie Mattel]

And your hair was very Moesha. I was like, who do I think? Like, am I doing a. Should I do a black sex.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can we. I do think. Let's get into it, because I. I had some general notes also. When I'm walking the Runway, I go. My family is Native American, so we grew up poor. Those things don't have to both be together. But I guess that's how it got together.

[Trixie Mattel]

Pearl. Bitch, I'm from New York. No, you're not.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, she had just moved there.

[Trixie Mattel]

Then say that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, Bitch.

[Trixie Mattel]

I live in New York.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I remember New Yorkers not liking that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, because you don't. Because you move there, you're not born and bred. You say, I live in New York.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But people tell me, you're not a real Angelino until you see someone shit in the street. I'm like, so what? You live here One day, baby.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I went to San Francisco one day. That makes me a San Franciscan. I've seen three people.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Three people in my mouth.

[Trixie Mattel]

Jasmine abs never exercise.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I wrote Jasmine's look. Oh, my God. And then, oh, famous red outfit is cool. But Fame really looks male. She looked male.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was the strangest thing because I feel for me and maybe for you, although you might make a is a little hard sometimes. Like, for me. Especially for me. Those lights softened my features. I looked better than I looked in reality for sure. Fame was the opposite. She looked better in reality than she did on the show. Just face wise. Do you know what I mean?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I agree. In person, I will say Fame's makeup was buttery, soft, sickening. And the hair, it was almost like fame was on RuPaul's level. Hair wise.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sometimes she surpassed Ru in terms of the quality of the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The quaff and the quality of the lace looked like was growing. I'd never. I. I was googling Bryant park, and I had never seen wigs like Fames in person.

[Trixie Mattel]

No. We had brown chicken screens.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

All the blonde wigs came with brown plastic chicken screens. I also wrote Violet. Oh, my God. Wow. She's just so much better than all of us.

[Trixie Mattel]

I. So I. We shared the same table. It was me and her at one table getting dressed for the mini challenge. And when she pulled out her spring outfit, I was like, oh, oh, well, I'm not winning. Definitely not winning. This is a mini challenge. This is obviously not anywhere near her best drag. And this is miles away from my best drag.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I loved it so much.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she was such a rude cunt. And she didn't say a word to me. But it was. She looked incredible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it scared me then and scares me now.

[Trixie Mattel]

And also responsible for probably the most memeable memorable moment in all of the season.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Also, it's an actual reveal where you don't see it coming.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. It's not a popcorn. It's not Jiffy Pop. You know what I mean? You're not like a Jiffy Pop like, or trench coat.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

For the girls listening stuck in traffic. We're talking about when Violet had that red, like, tartar reveal. Raccoon wing squirrel. Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Flying squirrel. And it was a true, true gag. And every. The 13 premiere parties we had to go to, everybody went. Went nuts every single time.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was the biggest cheer I probably out of the whole season. Besides the winning.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah. And then I have her fall looks. I just wrote in all caps. Is Max just ahead of her time on Drag Race.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because I'm watching it through 2025 and being like, this is amazing. It's so clean. It fits her perfect. And she looks different than the rest of us.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And she really was. She had. She was unique. Unique. She was unique. There's. There's nobody.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No makeup. Could any of us get away with that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Mama.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what, though?

[Trixie Mattel]

I've resend all that, all my talk. Because she was. And it makes sense now that she was always late because she's wearing tons of makeup. That's why her skin is perfect.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know what I mean? Walking so slowly.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Walking. So Runway walk was like, almost in slow motion.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was like, almost like, are you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What are you doing?

[Trixie Mattel]

Is this a bit? Is this a bit? It was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We were gonna get to her Runway, but her reveal, her naked Runway, it was like this. Yes, yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was like slow mo.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Judge Judy crazy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, challenge. Oh, well, before that, we have our first reveals of each other out of dragon.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This is when we first see each other out of drag.

[Trixie Mattel]

You look like the only boy. Also, I loved your teeth. I thought your teeth were. I didn't think there's anything weird about your teeth. I thought they were nice teeth, like Patricia Arquette.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I didn't think I had weird teeth until I got the veneers. And then I was like, oh, wow, that's. I thought quite improved.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And I don't mean like, oh, I liked you when you were ugly. I don't mean like that kind of a compliment. I said like, I thought they were really. I don't. Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, people were fudgeing me.

[Trixie Mattel]

So, like, I thought that you're. I. I guess I misremembered. I thought your teeth were jacked. They were not jacked.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, they're just. That's a. That's a Wisconsin billboard. Dazzling.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wisconsin Hollywood girl. Wisconsin elite.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And also, I wore. This is the oldest shirt I own. This is from season seven of Drag Race.

[Trixie Mattel]

Damn. I was trying to find you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Believe it. It still fits. She had a big ass then. She's got a big ass now. It's a tank top that I've ripped holes in bigger and bigger as I've.

[Trixie Mattel]

Expanded about my non wardrobe. Nowadays, these girls come with a. With a boy. With a whole boy story. Mary.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I work storyline that evolves.

[Trixie Mattel]

A golfer hat with a pug print T shirt. My. A child molester.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What. What about your interview? Look?

[Trixie Mattel]

Am I an art teacher? Are you an art teacher at a Montessori school gay I. I think I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wore a red flannel in my interview. I don't know, Mary.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can't. I. Look at that. I'm like, I'm actually Goth. Like, that is actually my tried and true identity.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why do you do that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Ask me. I don't know. There's so many unanswerable questions from that time period. Same like, I just don't know. Why did I wear a black wig five times?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't know. Why didn't you do the rest? Yeah, it's a whole. It's a whole thing.

[Trixie Mattel]

We get a lot to get it through here. We haven't even got to the maxi challenge.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know. Well, the maxi challenge goes quick. It's just sewing. So basically, RuPaul tells us that we have to do a naked and afraid Runway terrified, and we have to produce a resort look again. Didn't know what that meant.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, I didn't either, but I didn't either, to be fair. Also, you can't Google it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You couldn't Google it.

[Trixie Mattel]

You have no research. You can't go to the library.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So then I'm no encyclopedia. I'm thinking resort. Like my. I'm white trash. Okay. My reference of resort is like staying at Disneyland with your family. But I don't know what resort means.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, we should really. I want to emphasize this because you can't Google anything.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

You only have your knowledge and perhaps the. The specious knowledge of other people.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

To pull from. There's no facts. You can't check anything.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

People like Fame would know. Oh, it's flowing fabrics. It's kind of in and out of the pool style clothing.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's like Paco Rabanne, 1987, spring, summer. You're like, what is that?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And she knows.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. So I remember everybody sewing. And I remember, honestly thinking back, I'm like, this is the easiest sewing challenge to get through. It's a giant square fabric with a head hole with gemstones hot glued instead of even doing the hem. That's all there is to this. That's what. I guess the nude illusion is the hard part, because some of them had those disgusting nude bodysuits.

[Trixie Mattel]

Mary. I did not know that those existed. And when I was trying to interpret and go through all the list, which we didn't really talk about, but the list of items you had to bring, I thought you had to be naked.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, the. The judges are.

[Trixie Mattel]

They said, you're gonna blur out your bits.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Was this the first season with Ross?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Santino had. Had exited.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So we have Ross and we have Kathy Griffin. And you bend over and show your actual butthole to Kathy Griffin.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, so I had these.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I fear, actual butthole.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, it's not my actual butthole. I was wearing a beige though song.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So he was your real butthole?

[Trixie Mattel]

No, but I had this disgusting Godiva synthetic wig on that went down to my knees. And if you know anything about these wigs, they tangle in about 13 seconds when you take them out. But I had these cunty boots that were like these red suede fringed platform boots. They were fabulous. And I. I looked fine. I was like a Russian hippie girl, it looks fine. My body was slim up and down, pole body. Nothing to write home about. But it was safe.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was safe.

[Trixie Mattel]

So happy to be safe, by the way. Do you have any idea?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, it's. Nobody wants to be the first out.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you have any idea?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Nobody wants to be the first out.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was the biggest bullet you dodge. You're like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You think. You didn't. You didn't. You thought you were gonna be safe?

[Trixie Mattel]

No, I had no idea. No idea. I. I don't maybe didn't look around.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And think that your look was better than some of the other people's looks. Miss Fame's was out.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, maybe. Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or no. Was it Candy Hoes made a lovely shirt.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, and Tempest was horrible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Poor Tempest. That was an awful look.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I just was like. I don't know. I was. I was worried. I don't know. Everybody had those bodysuits, and I didn't have one. It was just me and Violet naked.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Also, the walkthrough. I. There was a clip. I watched it. RuPaul goes. You know, Tempest, when you auditioned a few years ago, you were very heavy. Love RuPaul. Just breaking that love.

[Trixie Mattel]

Hey, former fatty.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I love that. That I put. RuPaul looks amazing. Sasha's. Sasha. Sasha Bell's black bra was so puzzling.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. That was so. Yeah. It's like, girl, what are you doing?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Pearl's Runway walk was the K hole.

[Trixie Mattel]

Just.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's a K hole.

[Trixie Mattel]

So puzzling. Just like, I'm at my own pace.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's syrup. It's pills.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's like, damn.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Candy just made a shirt. Candy's whole is out. Candy's was hard.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And also she had a beard, which is tough.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Max has crutches down at the resort on your crutches. And then a music business conference.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was only 19, bro.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The Mariner's apartment Complex. Like, you know, I was in a.

[Trixie Mattel]

White dress with my crutches. Why does she have crutches? Why did she have crutches?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Assisted mobility devices. Continue to make career splashes on Drag Race. And this was sort of an early, like, wow, okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't know.

[Trixie Mattel]

It doesn't make any sense. She had a story that was not told and it would not. Does not age. Did not age very well. I have Runway. Ru's hair and makeup is false, but she needs bigger earrings.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, tell her bigger earrings.

[Trixie Mattel]

RuPaul. You're the. You're the most famous drag. You're the queen of drag. You can't wear Santee Alley buttons. You just can't. You're a fucking multi. You're a multi fucking millionaire. Go to Tiffany's, you fucking gay bald bitch. There you go.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I again. I just wrote, violets is just better than us. All the ruffling. It's a coach with a hat.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's the only one who constructed an actual garment that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I disagree. I made a tennis outfit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, that's true. But hers was a garment that you hang on a rack and put in a store.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But again, lack of fashion knowledge. Resort to me met playing tennis.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, that's fair. That's totally fair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That everyone was making swimsuit cover ups and I was over here spray painting a tennis racket, being like, y' all don't know about this shit.

[Trixie Mattel]

You'll get the creases, doll.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Creases and a cape. I was very into capes at the time, so I was like, I'm going to make a cape. It's then a reveal. It was a double reveal. They're going to be blown away. Yeah, I have leg warmers on. What the fuck am I doing? My visor is. Is foam core. Hey, listen, they're not.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're not feeling it. They're looking. But also, it is a huge shock that we get no run through. The Runway is slippery. It's fucking freezing. And the. The judges are two inches from you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We also learn on the first day, we learn in our first Runway that there's a walk with music and a walk with no music. So when you hear the judges saying.

[Trixie Mattel]

Comments, oh, my God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The second walk is silent.

[Trixie Mattel]

I totally forgot about that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So you're showing your teeth, your yellow teeth. And then you hear the judges go like, well, so and so's got the.

[Trixie Mattel]

The.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The big knuckles or whatever.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, they had good puns. I'm watching up. I'm caught up from season of episode one, two, five and the puns were for cunty. They're really funny. But oh my gosh. Yeah, it's. And also there. It's much smaller than you think. Than it appears on television. Much smaller. Much, much smaller. And I can't stress this enough. That Runway is greased steel.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yes. You and I are safe. Which makes sense. We weren't bad, but we weren't that good.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, wait, miss Fame's outfit sucks.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It does.

[Trixie Mattel]

But her nude cat suit is good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's amazing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, it's good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's amazing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Tempest outfit is awful. Pearls truly sedated. Max, what the hell is going on here? Ross, we have a crack problem.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yes. Somebody. Somebody's butt is out. He goes. We have a crack problem in here.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, Jasmine's cocoon. This is ahead of its time. This is perform ahead of its time.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I text texted Jasmine and I said, you know, can I talk about the cocoon? And she didn't respond.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, but this is. I forgot about this little chestnut. I'm showing a little. Little tissue, little ass, little cut, cut.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can I tell you? Jasmine explains the cocoon to RuPaul. And the longer she explains it, the worse it gets.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like a cocoon. A little Tisha's little ass, little cut, cut.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's like a butterfly. A little bit of a cocoon. Because when a caterpillar turns into a.

[Trixie Mattel]

Butterfly, it's a. I remember that conversation. And I was like, this woman is a genius.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Is just blinking like RuPaul knows. Don't interrupt. Let her keep it. Oh, God, let her keep explaining.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's so wild and awfully. And then. She's not even naked.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, she's not even naked.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love her so much.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Love her.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's so.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Jasmine is so awesome. She's. She's. And then.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Violet looks great naked. I'm sorry.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She does.

[Trixie Mattel]

She looks amazing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She does. And you know, that's a very back then conversation to have about boy body and whatever, you know.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Would never happen today. Also, she had curves off. She did. I had.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't think she did.

[Trixie Mattel]

I had. No, no. She had a. She had a model's skinny, skinny body. She had a little. She had a shape. She. She had a posture. I was up and down. No curves at all.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We. And also we see Violet's body a lot this season. We see her naked body a lot.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it's episode four.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If I had her body, I'd probably naked all the time too.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I have to say that in the bottom we have Candy Ho and Tempest Du. Jour.

[Trixie Mattel]

But also ru. Asking the girls, which queen has made the least impression on you so far?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, Kennedy saying me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah. People saying, kennedy who?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. Trixie and Ginger being picked.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I have trickster. Trixie and Ginger being picked. But off stage, love.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Not even in the room.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not even in the room. Not even in the room.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Now.

[Trixie Mattel]

I thought that was a brutal question to ask in the first fudgeing day. Brutal.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

100.

[Trixie Mattel]

That was just to instigate drama.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm not even there. And then Kennedy and I go to be finalists in All Stars.

[Trixie Mattel]

So crazy. That is so wild.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I forgot she said me. I was at home watching it. Hi. And I go. She says, trixie. And I was like. I said, especially with someone who never seen it. And they looked over at me and they're like. I was like. I don't know. Yell at her from 10 years ago through the TV. Go ahead. I don't know what to say. And Kennedy and I are, I think, very close now, but we just had not really bonded in any way.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. You also not. It was oil and vinegar. Or oil and water. It's just not.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's. Yeah, yeah. Different.

[Trixie Mattel]

My. So final thoughts. Because we're actually. I love how long we just went.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know the first one's a long because we had to talk about casting and stuff. Why don't we talk about the promo shoot next episode?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah. Have to. So I think my controversial take, and this is very controversial. It's my opinion only. Every lip sync on the main stage is boring. Boring.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This is a bad lip sync.

[Trixie Mattel]

No walls. Stage too slippery. Can't choose an outfit or song. No props. It's a setup for failure. Contrast it with Lip Sync Battle and it is always a flop.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's not a good lip sync. I don't love the song.

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't love either of them.

[Trixie Mattel]

The queens don't know it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Nobody knows really know it.

[Trixie Mattel]

No.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Day one. For a song with so many lyrics is tough.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's the end of your first day of a second day of full day of filming. Your feet hurt so bad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You've just been on the. On the main stage probably standing in heels longer than you ever have in your life.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You've pissed yourself. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not joking.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, for real.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's. Then you're supposed to turn it out to a song you don't even know. And there's no walls or support and it's slippery.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Go.

[Trixie Mattel]

Get the out of here.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Not to mention, I don't think Geronimo had come out yet, like, no, I don't know.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was very bad and it was a tough, tough job for the girls.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, we do have a voice note from our first out, the lovely Tempest Azure, who I will say from a. These voice notes out, well, I have to massage people.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I will say for a first doubt, Tempest is extremely lovable. And as a viewer watching it, I'm like, she's lovable. Drag Race really told her story and she leaves on a very positive note with like a lot of dignity.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I think that's impressive.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I think the second and third outs are kind of the toughest for sure. Yeah. First out, at least you're like, bang.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, hello, Trixie and Katya. It's your great auntie Tempest du Jour. And I'm just filled with memories of season seven that I'm going to share with you. I hope that's all right. My first impressions were interesting because I was the last one into the workroom on our entrances.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And everybody was sort of already milling around a little bit, but I remember Trixie first of all and thinking, girl, that's a whole lot of face. That's some daisies and a floppy hat and some. And a lot of face. That's, that's my, my major first impression. And then I saw Katya and I was like, okay, I wonder if this bitch is really Russian. I had previously, back in the 90s, I spent two summers in Russia and I was familiar with the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, people are so interested in the.

[Trixie Mattel]

Type of the stone cold, hard ass Russian bitch which Katya does. Fuck you. Anyway, I'm glad that I got to know them a little bit more. More post that first impression because it turns out they're lovely gals. Even though Katya hasn't returned a phone message of mine or a text in, in 10 years, very, very deeply, as NTI would. Okay, so she's going to run us through how what she was going through her mind during, prior to the lip sync. Because this is a tough song, which.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

By the way, this is a hard song. And Candy Ho can. Can lip sync.

[Trixie Mattel]

Candy Hoe is a, is a dancer. She said she's a bucker. She is a performer.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she's like, you know, not if you don't consider the beard. She's gorgeous.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She did have a beard. Yes, she did.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was crazy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I remember her explaining to me that in Puerto Rico it's very normal for the Puerto Rican drag queens to not do their own makeup.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's Cultural.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I remember being blown away by that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is right Strange. When we were prepping to go on stage for that, I knew as clear as day that I was going home. I just. I just knew it. I had. I was a 100 sure I was going home no matter what I did two, by the way, the hardest Ever been on the worst songs. Drag Race. I'm gonna. I'll stand by that. I want to see someone else do Geronimo. See how you do. I'm clearly always gonna lose. I'm not a dancer. That's not what I do. That's what Candy does. And so she beat me fair and square. Now put a mic in my hand and let's see who wins.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hello.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay. Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's going to beat Candy Ho with the microphone.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's like, smile too in her eye. I am very, very, very, very proud of Katya and Trixie at this point and their success. And I think it means a lot to a lot of people, especially young people.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, we're going through a tunnel. Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sort of like the permission and the evidence that they can do and be whatever they want to do and be. And I think that's super, super important and super cool. Older people, too. I hear older people talk about that a lot now. I'm old in public. 43. Clearly I have.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God. You're almost her age.

[Trixie Mattel]

Three years younger. Older. Baby worship. Because of my age.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Too much.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Three years younger.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Tempest, thank you so much, so, so much for sending a voice note.

[Trixie Mattel]

Love her.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Love, love pink. Love, love pink. I call her, like, once a year because, you know, she has all those exotic birds. We love to talk about birds. I love her.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And also she's got endangered wildlife that dies all the time, so.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, she rescues. I know she rescues animals and she's. She's a goddess and a parent. She was one of the first people to talk about being a parent on.

[Trixie Mattel]

Drag Race and also foreshadowing the crab animals. You know, think about it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay, so next week we are gonna touch on the promo shoot in episode two.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Promo shoot in episode two, which came in that order. Okay, bye.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What is it? Oh, it's Clemezonian Airways. You're lip syncing. See you next week.

[Trixie Mattel]

I might have a proxy. There might be someone in my place. Okay, bye.