RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Ep 4: "A Soufflé of Judgement & Humiliation" with Trixie and Katya

Summary

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The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya

RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Ep 4: "A Soufflé of Judgement & Humiliation"

August 19, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Trixie and Katya (hosts of "The Bald and the Beautiful") revisit and dissect Episode 4 of "RuPaul’s Drag Race" Season 7, titled "Spoof! There It Is." With their signature irreverence and sharp wit, they reminisce about the challenge, reflect on fashion, critique Drag Race tropes, and provide behind-the-scenes insights about their season, culminating in a raw conversation about the emotional fallout from Trixie’s elimination. Calling upon their personal experiences and including voice notes from fellow Season 7 queens, this episode captures the highs, lows, and lasting impact of Drag Race competition.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reality TV Brutality & Judging Culture

• The episode kicks off with a tangential digression on brutal modeling reality shows, led by Michelle Visage and Raja Gemini (filling in for Katya and Trixie at moments), exposing the outdated meanness prevalent in early 2000s reality TV.
  • [03:15] Michelle Visage: "It's so antagonistic and it's so wrong and it just does not hold up. It gives the swan. You know, that era, it was just like brutal reality TV."
• They compare this to Drag Race, emphasizing the subjectivity of drag and critique.
  • [04:41] Raja Gemini: "If you're not honest, you're not helping them."
  • [04:57] Raja Gemini: "Drag is Art. An artist. Subjective."
• The girls note: if you sign up for Drag Race (or any competition), you're consenting to critiques, elimination, and "humiliation."
  • [06:13] Michelle Visage: “In some ways, I think back to my young self... then why did you do a competition if you are not open to critique?”
  • [06:22] Michelle Visage: “Every single critique I got, I thought was 100% on the money, and I was never offended.”

2. Gratitude for Drag Race (and How it Changed Their Lives)

• The hosts express deep gratitude for the platform Drag Race gave them, playfully exaggerating alternative life paths.
  • [07:11] Michelle Visage: "Thank you, RuPaul. Because literally I would be dead in a ditch or under a drug den or a social worker with $200,000 in AmEx credit card debt. In Boston."
  • [07:28] Raja Gemini: "You would be Mariah Carey and Precious, no makeup on with just the wig..."

3. Challenge Structure & Group Dynamics

• They recall the chaos of challenge day: the formation of groups, writing and recording parody songs, choreographing music videos, and the frayed nerves that result. The challenge: create a RuPaul song spoof with limited time and guidance.
  • [10:02] Raja Gemini: "We break into groups. I don't remember even how we got what groups."
  • [13:12] Michelle Visage: "I had full body chills. I hate that. I hate that. I hate that. I don't want to get left alone or with somebody bad."
  • [20:22] Michelle Visage: "We needed a Laganja. Someone who was like, all right, you fucking potatoes. This is what we're doing."
• Fame and Pearl’s continued butting of heads is a recurring point, and Trixie and Katya admit their own passivity during group work.
  • [20:35] Raja Gemini: "I'm not a leader in that way... You and I look like children of abuse because they're fighting in the middle and you know, you and I are on the sides."

4. Satirizing Drag Race—Is it a Trap?

• Trixie voices dislike for increasingly self-referential Drag Race humor and parodies—critiquing the formula as “cannibalizing itself.”
  • [19:02] Raja Gemini: "This is the beginning of something I really hate, which is I hate jokes in Drag Race that are just about Drag Race."
  • [22:06] Raja Gemini: "I just get cringed out by, like, something that is overly referencing."
• Conversation around how inside jokes (Laganja’s phrases, etc.) get incorporated and recycled by the show after sometimes ridiculing their originators.
  • [22:12] Michelle Visage: "I almost... felt some type of way about how they ridiculed Laganja on her season and then literally adopted her whole lexicon..."

5. Fashion Review: Runway Highs and Lows [36:02–43:40]

• Play-by-play roast of the Runway, especially the “Green” Runway theme.
  • [37:36] Michelle Visage: "Chicken feathers. So let's go ugly. Ugly. Ginger. Horrible. Awful."
  • [38:01] Rae Gemini (Trixie): "It's a helmet."
• The hosts candidly dissect their own outfits, recognizing mistakes ("basic," "forgettable") and referencing how drag aesthetics and appropriations have shifted.
  • [41:41] Raja Gemini: "The fact that I'm like a white girl wearing like a Chinese look..."
  • [41:44] Michelle Visage: "This is back when Gwen Stefani had Harajuku girls as accessories... this is a different time."

6. The Lip Sync and Trixie’s Elimination

• Honest reflections on Trixie's expectations (naivete about the outcome), praise for "serviceable" if unspectacular group performances, and disbelief at ending up in the Bottom 2.
  • [44:51] Raja Gemini: "I just. I knew I was not going to win this challenge. I was really blindsided that I was in the bottom."
  • [45:09] Raja Gemini: "I was 24 and a huge dollop of delusion... in shock that I was in bottom, because I was like, but I'm. But I mean, it's a, hello, my name."
• Katya expresses her frustration at the outcome, critiquing the merit of the performances and the arbitrary nature of reality TV judging.
  • [46:34] Michelle Visage: "It's razor blades on the toes. Yeah. I. I was like. There was no question in my mind because I was operating from this delusional point of, like, merit..."

7. Raw Behind-the-Scenes Details

• What it feels like to be eliminated: waiting in silence, “martyrdom,” producers stopping queens from discussing key moments off camera, and being reassured by production staff.
  • [49:09] Raja Gemini: "All the other drag queens wait behind the main stage in silence for what feels like an hour... the story producers stand there with cattle prods..."
  • [49:52] Raja Gemini: "I remember Theron was like, you're forever a Drag Race girl, and you can do anything with this, and it's not a big deal."
• Trixie reveals that she was told immediately upon elimination she’d be returning, foreshadowing the show's "return" plotline.
  • [50:14] Raja Gemini: "They said, you're coming back in a week... you will be making another appearance, so you can go home, but don't unpack or anything."

8. Aftermath & Fan Backlash: The Burden of Elimination

• Exploration of the phenomenon where the queen who stays after a fan favorite leaves becomes a scapegoat for fan rage.
  • Guest voice notes from Jaidynn Diore Fierce and Pearl illuminate their own experiences.
  • [57:55] Pearl (voice note): "For the last decade, I've been slowly, publicly executed because of this moment. Truly, somehow, I'm 100% at fault... perhaps someone could have the wherewithal to blame the actual person who chose to send you home."
  • [59:08] Raja Gemini & Michelle Visage: "Pearl didn't send me home... It's RuPaul. You can email her, you can send letters to World of Wonder..."
• Katya and Trixie reflect on how fan behavior hurts real people and discuss parallels with queens from other seasons (Alaska, Kennedy), emphasizing that TV is not a meritocracy and elimination is only part of a queen's journey.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Critique and the Purpose of Judgment in Drag:
  • "If you're not honest, you're not helping them." — Raja Gemini [04:41]
  • “Drag is art in order to... subjective.” — Michelle Visage [05:00]
• On RuPaul's Drag Race's Transformative Power:
  • "Thank you, RuPaul. Because literally I would be dead in a ditch or under a drug den or a social worker with $200,000 in AmEx credit card debt. In Boston." — Michelle Visage [07:11]
• On the Mid-Queen Problem:
  • “It's a little humiliating to be in the middle because you get thrown out... it's on the cutting room floor.” — Raja Gemini [11:50]
• Katya’s Fashion Self-Shade:
  • “Mine was so basic. So basic. And I have the worst outfitters. Wig, hairline. It's a helmet.” — Michelle Visage [38:01]
• On Cultural Appropriation and Changing Times:
  • “The fact that I'm like a white girl wearing like a Chinese look... it never crossed my mind that that was...” — Raja Gemini [41:41]
• On Fan Rage and the Burden of Survival:
  • "For the last decade, I've been slowly, publicly executed because of this moment... perhaps someone could have the wherewithal to blame the actual person who chose to send you home." — Pearl, via voice note [57:55]
• On the futility of fan drama:
  • “Pearl didn't send me home. It's RuPaul.” — Michelle Visage [59:12]
• Advice for Future Contestants:
  • "Do not go on the show unless you are a hundred percent comfortable with the fact of going home first." — Michelle Visage [48:26]
• On the fleeting intensity of Drag Race:
  • “This is also at a time where there wasn't eight franchises a year. Totally felt so serious.” — Raja Gemini [55:14]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:15 — Commentary on brutal reality TV and relevance to Drag Race
• 06:22 — Acceptance and the role of critiques in Drag Race; voluntary vulnerability
• 10:02–15:00 — Group formation, challenge chaos, group member dynamics
• 19:02 — Drag Race becoming self-referential; problems with “Drag Race parody” humor
• 20:22–21:04 — Leadership struggles and tension (Fame & Pearl)
• 36:02–43:40 — Full segment devoted to the Runway (“Green” theme) fashion recaps
• 44:51 — Trixie's shock at elimination and the “Blondie” lip sync
• 49:09–50:54 — Behind-the-scenes of elimination; immediate notification of return
• 57:55–60:13 — Voice notes from Pearl and Jaidynn; fan reception, cyberbullying, and mental health
• 62:26 — Lighthearted close with Katya’s car wash story

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Flow & Tone

The episode blends comedic shade, candid self-examination, and heartfelt nostalgia. Trixie and Katya don’t shy away from self-deprecation ("I look like a sunburned Muppet" [26:32]), admit to naive mistakes, call out toxic fandom, and consistently foreground the subjectivity of drag as art — all with their characteristic mix of camp and sincerity.

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Summary Takeaways

• Drag Race is a life-changing but emotionally draining competition, where success is not always based on merit but production and perception.
• Judgment and critique, though often painful, are integral to growth, and contestants must accept their subjectivity.
• Passivity and “mid-ness” are punished by reality TV editing, and high drama is often manufactured by production.
• Fan reactions can be disproportionately cruel and misdirected—often harming contestants who had no real power in the show's outcomes.
• Both Trixie and Katya, as well as their peers, have grown and learned significantly from their time on Drag Race, and they hope new contestants approach the experience with both ambition and realism.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Michelle Visage]

Well, where did you get that tiny little fan?

[Raja Gemini]

It came forever ago for the people in the car. Can you do it close to the microphone?

[Michelle Visage]

Oh yeah. It sounds like it's not a crack your knuckles, a child cracking their toes.

[Raja Gemini]

You know what this is for the gals. The Donald trumps of the world. The people with the small hands. If you want to have huge hands, this is the fan.

[Michelle Visage]

Also, if you don't have a lot of neck, this is great.

[Raja Gemini]

Great to throw neck. Throw neck.

[Michelle Visage]

You know how. Oh my God. Wait a minute. Okay, we'll get into season seven in a second. Are you aware of this show? A modeling competition show hosted by Rachel Hunter?

[Raja Gemini]

No, baby. Who's Rachel Hunter?

[Michelle Visage]

Rachel Hunter is an Australian supermodel of maybe from the 90s.

[Raja Gemini]

Okay.

[Michelle Visage]

Like Cindy Crawford that. That era. Well, not Cindy Crawford. She's whatever. Rachel Hunter was like a pin up, like a Sports Illustrated model. Successful. She has this competition show. I am not sure what it's called, but these, she rates them and it is so brutal. It's like, I. I'd write your face a five. You gotta watch it. It makes Tyra look like Mother Teresa. Really?

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, yes, baby. What did she say?

[Michelle Visage]

She says you're just like rating them from 1 to 10. And just like, she's like, face to. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And then like a guy will come out who's like a Greek guy. She'll be like, you too clean. It's like so crazy. It's so antagonistic and it's so wrong and it just does not hold up. It gives the swan. You know, that era, it was just like brutal reality tv. And you need to go catch yourself a little bit of that because she is also. No shade. Not pretty enough to be doing that. Oh, she's gorgeous.

[Raja Gemini]

I don't know. In that gorgeous language, that would be considered shade. What? I think that was totally shady. Yeah. I think Shade has some kind of like, boop. That's just. You ain't pretty.

[Michelle Visage]

No. I say, steven, no, no, no, you ain't all that. To be doing all that.

[Raja Gemini]

Right. Clips. That's a shit. Well, anyways, I think it's honestly, anything that's about the way people look.

[Michelle Visage]

It was mean spirited, I think.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Well, you know, when I did Queen of the Universe, I called Michelle and I said, michelle, how do you actually do this? Because I, you know, it's easy for us to just say the judges, whatever. How do you actually critique people?

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

And she said, they're away from their families and their boyfriends and their DJs and their other drag queens. You are their only thermometer to let them know how to win.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh.

[Raja Gemini]

So if you're not honest, you're not helping them.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

You're actually doing a disservice by, like, not saying.

[Michelle Visage]

And also, everybody needs to have the wherewithal to know that this is a person. This is a subjective, not sport, but this is a subjective art form. This is one person's opinion. Yeah, she has qualifications, but it's just one woman's opinion.

[Raja Gemini]

Drag is Art. An artist. Subjective.

[Michelle Visage]

Drag is art in order to.

[Raja Gemini]

Subjective.

[Michelle Visage]

We're not here to evaluate you on your art. I can't get enough of that. They need to get Rachel Hunter on Dragula.

[Raja Gemini]

They need.

[Michelle Visage]

No.

[Raja Gemini]

You know who they get they need to get on Dragula? A single bucket of blood.

[Michelle Visage]

Wait, who's that?

[Raja Gemini]

That woman from the TED Talk.

[Michelle Visage]

Elizabeth. What's her name? What's her name? What's her name? Elizabeth. Yes. Yes.

[Raja Gemini]

They need to get her, but instead of a drop of blood, it's Dragula. So it's a single truckload of blood. We'll hit you in the face on the Runway.

[Michelle Visage]

We're not here to drag. We're not here to evaluate your art.

[Raja Gemini]

We're here to evaluate your blood.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, that is so kind. So, girl, let me tell you something. Spoof. There it is.

[Raja Gemini]

Okay, so, spoof.

[Michelle Visage]

There it is.

[Raja Gemini]

We.

[Michelle Visage]

Here we go again.

[Raja Gemini]

Is it possible. I would just like to. We're four episodes in, and now that I go home and sleep and think about what we're doing, I would just like to say a few things that I thought about yesterday. 1. Everybody who applies for Drag Race is asking to be critiqued and possibly eliminated.

[Michelle Visage]

No, no, you're volunteering. And to experience the following critique and elimination and.

[Raja Gemini]

Or everything.

[Michelle Visage]

Humiliation.

[Raja Gemini]

And so, in some ways, I think back to my young self. I think back to not liking critiques, and I'm like, then why did you do a competition if you are not open to critique?

[Michelle Visage]

You know, I never not like to critique. Every single critique I got, I thought was 100% on the money, and I was never offended.

[Raja Gemini]

I. That's the thing. It. It's affirming in a shitty way. When you hear a critique that you also thought yourself, you're like, yeah, damn. It's true.

[Michelle Visage]

When I walked down with a hello Kitty thing, I kn. Knew it was batshit. I knew it was horrible. Everything that came out of Santino's mouth was like, duh.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

You know, it's just the humiliating part.

[Raja Gemini]

But, yeah, you know, so. And I. I just. Without the other thing we didn't say at the top, this, that I would like to amend now, is thank you to Drag Race for having us. I'm thinking of us auditioning and all that, and I'm like, we really.

[Michelle Visage]

They need to get us.

[Raja Gemini]

I'm just kidding.

[Michelle Visage]

I'm just kidding. No, it was the golden ticket to.

[Raja Gemini]

Everybody in casting and everybody at Drag Race. We. I can't tell you how much it changed our lives.

[Michelle Visage]

Steven, Mandy, me, Randy, Fenton, Tom, Ru, everybody, ru. Thank you, RuPaul.

[Raja Gemini]

Thank you, thank you.

[Michelle Visage]

Because literally I would be dead in a ditch or under a drug. Under a drug den or a social. Social worker with $200,000 in AmEx credit card debt. In Boston.

[Raja Gemini]

You would be Mariah Carey and Precious, no makeup on with just the wig.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. And just crying.

[Raja Gemini]

Just crying. Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

By the way, Mama, she just slayed that.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, she was amazing. That whole movie is so beautiful.

[Michelle Visage]

I rewatched that scene in the office and I was like, I had to shut the door and leave. It was so intense.

[Raja Gemini]

I saw an interview where they, they said that the director told Mariah to not cry and she couldn't help it.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, there was totally authentic crazy. Mariah Carey is so cunt.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah, she really love her. Did you see her singing at the Eagle?

[Michelle Visage]

No, but I heard about this. I heard about it. So people thought she was a drag queen girl.

[Raja Gemini]

Nick and I are shooting something at the Eag. And so the day or two after Mariah was there, I went in to scout out the location, drink piss from the urinal, you know, scout out the.

[Michelle Visage]

Location, clear out the trough. Clear out the trough with my mouth.

[Raja Gemini]

And there's one bartender and it's around happy hour, so it's, it's. You can talk to the bartender. You don't want to start a conversation during busy time. That's rude. Right? But I said, was it true Mariah Carey was here? And they said, yeah, they said she walked right in that door right there. She was in this bar for about eight minutes. She did her track and left. But that's eight minutes longer than probably any other gay bar that she'll go to.

[Michelle Visage]

No, that's not so elusive. That's an approachable shantus.

[Raja Gemini]

I love it. If Mariah comes out to the gay bar, she goes to the Eagle la. Go ran through dolls.

[Michelle Visage]

Well, she's not gonna get, she's not gonna get trapped at Heart or, or.

[Raja Gemini]

Or oh my God, she'll never make it out of West Hollywood. She'll get killed.

[Michelle Visage]

She'd have to get there. Have to be a life size bank tube shoot for her to like just jump through.

[Raja Gemini]

Diana. Diana Ross. That's.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. God, I love her.

[Raja Gemini]

So we're on episode four, Spoof. There it is. Let me get my notes. Because I take notes. I loved your analog notes, the handwritten notes.

[Michelle Visage]

I know I didn't take any last night or this morning. I'm such an asshole.

[Raja Gemini]

Can I say I'm at the point in the season where I'M watching it and I forget to take notes because I'm just actually just watching now. Yeah, let's see. Oh, gosh.

[Michelle Visage]

So who went home? So Jasmine went home. That sucks.

[Raja Gemini]

Damn. I didn't take any notes for this episode. Perfect. Okay. I went from three to five. Trauma locked it out.

[Michelle Visage]

This one, not my favorite episode. Although it is the hardest. Probably one of the hardest days.

[Raja Gemini]

You know, we, we go in, I believe the. Is there a mini challenge?

[Michelle Visage]

I wanna suck your.

[Raja Gemini]

Is there a mini challenge?

[Michelle Visage]

No, I don't think there is. No, no, no. Because we have so much.

[Raja Gemini]

So much to do.

[Michelle Visage]

So much to do. So no mini challenge means it's gonna be a full day.

[Raja Gemini]

Ho y We break into groups. I don't remember even how we got what groups.

[Michelle Visage]

It's. It's whoever you are next to, I believe.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, I think. Yeah, it seemed random.

[Michelle Visage]

I think they lined us up.

[Raja Gemini]

Maybe I'm wrong.

[Michelle Visage]

God, if I'm wrong, that's really. We did okay. We picked our. Oh no, we picked our own groups. You picked me third. Yeah, third.

[Raja Gemini]

Did I? How did I get to pick something?

[Michelle Visage]

You. Because Jaden, Max and Violet are left.

[Raja Gemini]

Alone cuz they were kind of again.

[Michelle Visage]

The storyline of no one wanting to be violent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Are you sure there was an admitting challenge reading?

[Raja Gemini]

No, it's not reading yet. Okay. We don't know. I did watch it.

[Michelle Visage]

I did watch it too, and I lived it.

[Raja Gemini]

I still don't know. By the way, how did they get the shout out to a series that you did?

[Michelle Visage]

Oh yeah, Rugrats.

[Raja Gemini]

No, it was Rugrats and you did it.

[Michelle Visage]

Teasing came out, which is very crazy. Not NDA compliant and also like.

[Raja Gemini]

I think it's fine.

[Michelle Visage]

It is fine. I, I think I asked one of the producers or I didn't, but I asked for forgiveness rather than permission. I didn't. But of course my memory is all stuff that I did and that of course didn't air because I think I'm the center of the universe and then I watch the show and I'm in it maybe 10%, you know.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. So it is illuminating to watch it and we remember it from our perspective and you watch it and you and I are so. Other than our interviews, you and I are so mid.

[Michelle Visage]

And guess what? That's the kiss. Maybe, baby, that's the kiss of death. On reality, if you're mid, you're gone.

[Raja Gemini]

We're mid.

[Michelle Visage]

Like they want low and high, they want nothing in the middle.

[Raja Gemini]

Friendly and yeah. Moderately good at drag.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Okay, okay, okay. To nice middle number.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Very middle six.

[Michelle Visage]

We're giving three. Sometimes we're giving two. You know, three. To three. To six. I mean, six is a little high for me, but yeah. So it's, it's a little humiliating to be in the middle because you get thrown out with. It's on the cutting room floor.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. So RuPaul says that we are going to be spoofing the greatest artists of all time. And then she goes, me. Which I do love.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, that's great.

[Raja Gemini]

I love.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Raymond is also exploring these.

[Michelle Visage]

Raymond.

[Raja Gemini]

I've been calling her Raymond. She's also been exploring these. I love her outfits this season. Oh, yeah. Color blocked. Polka dot pop fantasy. Bright color.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

This is like.

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That's great.

[Raja Gemini]

RuPaul, kind of before she was like, all the awards. RuPaul. RuPaul's kind of dressing funky and gay. Not that she's not gay now, but now she looks so rich.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

RuPaul at this time did seem like she just got funky clothes.

[Michelle Visage]

She wears some big ass shoes as a man.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

I don't know. I don't know how she squeezes them tootsies into those lady shoes. Open toe, cut them off.

[Raja Gemini]

So that we get into groups. I think it's me, you, Fame and Pearl.

[Michelle Visage]

Yep.

[Raja Gemini]

Very puzzling. Puzzling crew.

[Michelle Visage]

No. Didn't they just do it? No.

[Raja Gemini]

I don't know. Because why do we have four? Oh, maybe we just grabbed each other.

[Michelle Visage]

We did. We just grabbed each other. Get it? Go get into a group, quick. That's what we did.

[Raja Gemini]

Which, by the way, thank God, there's time to strategize. No, no, just.

[Michelle Visage]

It was just. I, I, by the way, I had full body chills. I hate, I, I hate that. I hate that. I hate that. I don't want to get left alone or with somebody bad.

[Raja Gemini]

I also don't want to get grabbed by someone that I don't want to be with. Like, get out of here, you bum.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Oh. Oh. Hey. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Michelle Visage]

No, because we were next to each other.

[Raja Gemini]

We were next to each other.

[Michelle Visage]

Close to each other or simity. I think. Yeah. And also I just liked her. I think I liked him. You know, I know you weren't a fucking asshole or dingbat or.

[Raja Gemini]

I thought you were funny.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

But we had not, I mean, viewers, we have not established a friendship really.

[Michelle Visage]

Whatsoever, but it's clear that you're a personable young man.

[Raja Gemini]

Yes. And I guess parody. Okay, I had just watched you do. I knew you could do dumb. So I'm sure that was part of. It was like, okay. Pearl was my friend, and honestly, I, I watching this show, I know that fame comes off very. I wrote this down, too. Fame comes off very crazy. Fame has a very grounding presence, though. She's a very nice person.

[Michelle Visage]

I think you liked fame, actually. No, I know. No, no. I think you looked up to fame and I liked. I did not.

[Raja Gemini]

She was 10 years older than me.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Okay, that's two. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I think I'm. I was 24 at the time. She was 30.

[Michelle Visage]

She was 29. She was 20. She was three years younger than me. No.

[Raja Gemini]

Also, she was sober and so beautiful. I kind of thought, okay, we have a good vibe. And since I'm so mid, let me stand next to this person who's slightly less mid at drag.

[Michelle Visage]

Let me stand next to the most breathtaking creature in this competition.

[Raja Gemini]

That's what I mean. Let me. Let me experience the spillover of some of that beauty.

[Michelle Visage]

Let me get some of her golden shadow, which is, by the way, not a greater strategy like me.

[Raja Gemini]

The strategy is not I should stand as close as I can to biggest booger.

[Michelle Visage]

Who's the biggest booger?

[Raja Gemini]

I picked you.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I said get over here.

[Michelle Visage]

So we have. She says something so chilling in this episode, like a suck your. And it makes me want to kill. Makes me want to. It gives. It makes me want to gouge out everybody's eyes in this way.

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[Raja Gemini]

And this. This is the beginning of something I really hate, which is I hate jokes in Drag Race that are just about Drag Race.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. And so it starts to cannibalize itself after. After season six.

[Raja Gemini]

And so the other two groups doing, oh, entire parodies about Drag Race, to me was like, no.

[Michelle Visage]

Okay, so.

[Raja Gemini]

But obviously, I made the wrong decision there, so.

[Michelle Visage]

But we have. Our number. Is silly. It's dumb, but it is. I think it's the best. I do, too, because the others are so. I like. I watch other girls, and I was like. I was fully preparing for Ginger, Kennedy, Candy, and Kasha to be, like, slaying it. I hated their song. I hated it.

[Raja Gemini]

I mean, Ginger kind of can do. Should we just go through the groups? Because this challenge does go basic. Well, before we do it, do you remember Fame and Pearl fighting? Because I.

[Michelle Visage]

Yes, I do. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Fame and Pearl day to day. Because I was like, do you hate each other? Like, they were fighting all the time.

[Michelle Visage]

But it's also. It was a very tense situation because we had to come up with choreo by ourselves. I hate that. Yeah, I hate that.

[Raja Gemini]

And by the way, the. The person leading the choreo is Fame.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Explain that.

[Michelle Visage]

The crazy. We needed a laganja. Someone who was like, all right, you fucking potatoes.

[Raja Gemini]

Right.

[Michelle Visage]

This is what we're doing.

[Raja Gemini]

Yes.

[Michelle Visage]

Do it again, do it again, do it again, do it again, do it again. Bam, bam, bam. But we were just so indecisive, and Fame is such a scatterbrained person, and.

[Raja Gemini]

I'm not a leader in that way. So it's like you and I on the sides watching Fame and Pearl argue and tell us what to do. You and I look like children of abuse because they're fighting in the middle, and, you know, I are on the sides.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, yeah, it's. Yeah, we're just like a silent witness.

[Raja Gemini]

Silently witnessing it and, like, watching it unravel already.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

So. But can I be honest? I. It's been 10 years, and obviously I haven't thought about it a long time or really, but I watch it. I thought, well, this is going to be the moment where I realize how bad we were now that I. You know.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, it's not bad.

[Raja Gemini]

It's not good. But it's not the worst.

[Michelle Visage]

No, no, no. I'm not the best, but I'm not the worst.

[Raja Gemini]

It's really not the wor. No, I don't like the. Get ready to clock. I didn't respond to that.

[Michelle Visage]

Hated that.

[Raja Gemini]

And I. I hate. I didn't respond to that at all.

[Michelle Visage]

No. Because here it's. It's a terrible concept. And also, like, for example, so Shady was just like, courtney doesn't have a big personality. It's like. That's not the right verbiage, Michelle. But, like, no one should try to be Courtney, because you can't.

[Raja Gemini]

I could.

[Michelle Visage]

Nobody could be Courtney. Courtney is Courtney, and she could.

[Raja Gemini]

And I will. And I'll do it again.

[Michelle Visage]

You could be Porkney. No, and also, like, being Bianca is not, to me, is not funny.

[Raja Gemini]

I actually think Jaden did the best part.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, she was the best. She was the best. And then who is the other?

[Raja Gemini]

Violet was Adore.

[Michelle Visage]

It was just, you know.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

But not great. And also, it was just.

[Raja Gemini]

I just get cringed out by, like, something that is overly referencing.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Well, you know, when they. The.

[Raja Gemini]

The room.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. And then later seasons when. And I almost. I felt some type of way about how they ridiculed Laganja on her season and then literally adopted her whole lexicon as can and then used it to, like, create challenges. And in subsequent seasons.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

I thought that was so crazy. They made her sound like a fucking idiot. They, like, literally humiliated her. I know I've said this before. It's beating a dead horse, but sometimes.

[Raja Gemini]

Things you say in drag when you have a platform, I hear people say things that you and I say on this pod as inside jokes. I hear people say, pull the padge, and they don't know that it came from us.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, wow. I don't even think it came from.

[Raja Gemini]

Us, but, like, jerking it. Oh.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Or like, I. Horny. That's very horny.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I've been hearing people say that, and I don't even think they hear it from us. So sometimes I think drag race accidentally, like, when the. No, I mean, when the show comes out and the whole world is saying Laganja phrases, then drag race is like, oh, maybe that did eat.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Let me.

[Michelle Visage]

But that's, like, shitty. It's like, you should, like, don't. I. It's not even that simple. Because they, like, continued. I don't know. I don't know. It's just weird to me. I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying, But I also think that they're. It's like, don't do that.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

You know? Anyway, so we have to do. We have to do tan. I love my look. I had fun.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, you look amazing.

[Michelle Visage]

I had fun.

[Raja Gemini]

Pearl looks great. Fame looks great.

[Michelle Visage]

Fame looked wonderful.

[Raja Gemini]

I look okay for this time in my career.

[Michelle Visage]

Fame really worked that sunburn out. She looks fabulous.

[Raja Gemini]

I actually think her on her knees sucking the dick was maybe one of the only parts I really liked.

[Michelle Visage]

I loved when we turned.

[Raja Gemini]

I like the turning. I don't know where I got this idea. I think it's because we had no time, and this entire cohesive look could be done with makeup. We just needed to look burned.

[Michelle Visage]

So easy peasy.

[Raja Gemini]

I. And I. I don't remember this moment at all of choosing this idea. I don't remember if we had other ideas. Do you?

[Michelle Visage]

There was another idea, and I don't remember what it was.

[Raja Gemini]

I had no idea. Like, all I can remember is whatever. Picking this around because we had to record in, like, okay, an hour.

[Michelle Visage]

All right, listen up. Listen up, listeners. You and your car on the 405. Let me tell you what we had to do. We had to go in. We had to go get in our clothes, get to the studio, wait around for a fucking hour, and then RuPaul comes out, explains the challenge. We have to team up alone, come up with a concept for a parody that alone could make. Could take a couple of hours, maybe even a day.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, to come up with a good one. Then we had to write lyrics for it.

[Raja Gemini]

It would take Sherry Vines six years.

[Michelle Visage]

Six years. Rah, rah. Ooh la la. I just shit my pants.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Okay, so never mind. I'll find someone like Poo.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

You know.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, I had some black beans, a greasy souffle. Oh, wow. Things are not going my way. I have to go.

[Raja Gemini]

Shit me with your best shot.

[Michelle Visage]

Okay, so we. We do that, and then we had.

[Raja Gemini]

To turn it through the grapevine. You know, it's always kind of a fecal material matter.

[Michelle Visage]

So we had to take a whole one of the RuPaul songs, which are pretty, you know, whatever. And we had to do a whole parody. That's. That's tough.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

Then we have to come up with a concept for a music video. That in itself is tough. Then we had to create out of Thin Air choreography for this music video. Then we had to go get into drag for this music Video. Then we had to record music. We had to record our voice.

[Raja Gemini]

To record the voices. And then maybe an hour later we received them in an air on headphone. Wait, they didn't show this. Do you remember fame being like fame. This is you. This was literally fame. I remember this like it was yesterday and it just came back to me. This is fame. Putting in her headphones and hearing her own singing for the first time. So she was like, like, she was like.

[Michelle Visage]

She was Christina Aguilera.

[Raja Gemini]

She was like Maria Callis. So good. And she kind of does like, she does spread it out and you know, they give us the real quick auto tune pass for sure.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot we had to go in the recording studio do that. Then we had to go Pearl sunglasses.

[Raja Gemini]

With her drawn on nostrils. Triangles with the big sunglasses. I look like a sunburned Muppet. Yeah, you look amazing.

[Michelle Visage]

I look like Magda. You look like Magda from something by Mary. You love her tanning mom. Tan mom. Love that outfit.

[Raja Gemini]

And you love doing one piece.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah. Really get into great. And you even peeled skin off of. Yeah, peel skin. That had a blast that day. Because that's my fort, that's my real. That's my wheelhouse. That's my forte, like ugliest dress mama. That I was born for that moment.

[Raja Gemini]

Born in the game.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, born for that moment. So we did that.

[Raja Gemini]

Can I, can I explain what I saw on the screen? So, yeah, I've never been in a music video. I've never been on a green screen. I don't know how music videos work.

[Michelle Visage]

Me neither.

[Raja Gemini]

And I guess I thought you just kept walking out of the front. When you are done singing your line, leave because somebody else is going. I thought it was like, we're gonna roll it. And then when you're done singing, move and somebody else. So I kept walking off the group number. I know. So I kept walking off being like. And then Michelle be like, why are you over there? I'd be like, well, I'm. I did it. I'm done. And she'd be like, no, no, you go back. I said, okay. So I went back in there and sang it again and then walked back to the side of like.

[Michelle Visage]

So funny. But I know you guys.

[Raja Gemini]

I had no idea how editing worked. I only used imovie once to make my Drag Race audition. I had no idea.

[Michelle Visage]

I didn't even do that.

[Raja Gemini]

I didn't understand that. You all do a pass the song and then later they punch it and make something from it.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, it's fear.

[Raja Gemini]

And I'm watching it. I'm going like, this is just an example of the extreme ignorance of, like, I have no idea what I'm doing.

[Michelle Visage]

Well, we're fish out of water.

[Raja Gemini]

I have no idea what I'm doing.

[Michelle Visage]

Also, we don't know how to be efficient. We don't know, like, oh, let's get this shot. We don't know how to direct ourselves. We have to direct ourselves.

[Raja Gemini]

We have to direct ourselves.

[Michelle Visage]

That's another crazy thing. It's like, okay. And also with. With Pearl and Fame not getting along and us being kind of, like, passive. Passive.

[Raja Gemini]

Very passive.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, we're being mommy and daddy. What do you want? You know? Yeah, it was not. It was not easy. That was a lot to do in one day.

[Raja Gemini]

And the only thing I knew remembered, honestly, I. I didn't think we did great, but I left having really no. No idea that we did bad.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, no, I didn't think we did.

[Raja Gemini]

Bad, but I didn't think we were like, I know the judges weren't rolling, but I also was like, okay, it was serviceable. It was compact.

[Michelle Visage]

Serviceable.

[Raja Gemini]

And they can do it.

[Michelle Visage]

Yes.

[Raja Gemini]

And we didn't get to watch the other groups.

[Michelle Visage]

No, we did not.

[Raja Gemini]

So we're going off of just vibes.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, vibes.

[Raja Gemini]

But I honestly thought dressing like season six queens was dumb, and I thought a number about RuPaul was dumb also.

[Michelle Visage]

Wait, the.

[Raja Gemini]

The.

[Michelle Visage]

The. I think this is so funny. Her apparent, like, being offended about drag you. Like, they played it three times. Three times.

[Raja Gemini]

She was like, no, RuPaul. The best part is she goes, stop, stop, stop. What was that about drag you? And she's sort of like, it's not. She's like, lapis. It's cerulean. Yeah, just, like, getting ready to read.

[Michelle Visage]

Well, you know, it was my. My favorite project, and it was a lot of people.

[Raja Gemini]

She goes. Changed a lot of lives.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, yeah, I. I was. I was flummoxed by that because I'm.

[Raja Gemini]

Like, so that's the exact type of joke that I think Rue would love.

[Michelle Visage]

Of course. So she's not offended. You know, I think maybe because it just wasn't funny.

[Raja Gemini]

Well, Mary got 40 Emmys for Drag Race and zero for Drag you. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Michelle Visage]

I mean, if she's really. If she was really actually offended by that, I would. I am so shocked.

[Raja Gemini]

I would be, too.

[Michelle Visage]

I would be.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

Like. And so they always come back to her.

[Raja Gemini]

Like, that person on Rue's Tick Tock right now doesn't make me think that person is offended.

[Michelle Visage]

She just shoved a new upper.

[Raja Gemini]

I know, I know.

[Michelle Visage]

Can I help you?

[Raja Gemini]

Can I help you?

[Michelle Visage]

Do you have a question?

[Raja Gemini]

My favorite is the mustaches too. Do you see the one about God and she's a little girl and she's like, yeah, I guess I will ask. So funny. RuPaul, anyone? Girl? Anyone?

[Michelle Visage]

Barefoot in a parking lot goes on for 25 minutes.

[Raja Gemini]

It's too much.

[Michelle Visage]

So crazy.

[Raja Gemini]

She's too good.

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[Raja Gemini]

Wait a Minute.

[Michelle Visage]

I should have won this challenge.

[Raja Gemini]

Who did win?

[Michelle Visage]

Kennedy. Kennedy.

[Raja Gemini]

She was great.

[Michelle Visage]

She not better than me, though. She wasn't better than me. She wasn't. She did. She did like a ghetto character, which Ru goes nuts for. She was very funny, but she wasn't all that funnier than me.

[Raja Gemini]

You were. You two were both fun. You were both funny.

[Michelle Visage]

But so considering the amount of wins and challenge challenge wins that Ginger and Kennedy would receive, this would have been more. This would have made more sense for me to get this one than the Merle one. I was completely forgettable in the Merle challenge.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Can I say, honestly, you were the by far the best part of our group. And so for that reason, too, we, me. We all did just. Okay. So you were actually good.

[Michelle Visage]

So she picked for the top. She picked one from each group.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, she did. We would.

[Michelle Visage]

We did not have. There was not a group who won.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, that's right.

[Michelle Visage]

So that was a switch. That was a little change. That was a switch up. I didn't expect. So it was. It was Jaden, Kennedy and me.

[Raja Gemini]

I remember RuPaul going, Tonight, you're going to be judges. Individuals.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Which was such a curveball. Such a curveball. Because I thought we were safe.

[Raja Gemini]

I thought as a group, I was going to be in a safe group.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

You know me. My goal on Drag Race is to coast in the middle and never be noticed, apparently, because that's how you win.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. And then you just. Big finish. Big finish. Big finish.

[Raja Gemini]

I was saving my cunty, sickening gowns for the end.

[Michelle Visage]

So this is kind of such a.

[Raja Gemini]

Do you have any favorites? I thought obviously, Ginger always delivers. She did a good job.

[Michelle Visage]

She did a great job. But I. I'm. I. I really did not like the song. Everything went on way too long, and it wasn't funny.

[Raja Gemini]

And Jaden was the best in that group. I felt.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. She was just hamming it up. Oh, let's listen from. We got a voice note from Jaden.

[Raja Gemini]

Well, thank God.

[Michelle Visage]

Queue it up. It's just porn.

[Raja Gemini]

She gets so stressed out.

[Michelle Visage]

She.

[Raja Gemini]

What should I talk about? I said, girl, just anything.

[Michelle Visage]

Greatest accomplishment. It was when me, Max, and Violet did get ready to clock. We did. I played Bianca Del Rio. I think Max was Courtney act. Violet was adore somebody. I forgot, honey. My brain cells. I told you, girl, I done forgot. But, yes, that was my mo. My greatest accomplishment, at least in my head. I did not win that challenge. But according to the fan base, they said I won that challenge. But it was definitely a really Big accomplishment for me because I feel like that was my moment where I was, like, the most proud of myself.

[Raja Gemini]

Do you hear dogs barking?

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Jaden's. She's. She's Cruella Deville. She's surrounded by kennel. Yeah, she was great. I mean, Jaden, can I say, watching this season, for how old this is, Jaden is. She's got the face card. Oh, yeah. Gorgeous. Great dance season. The green Runway. This Runway, they cut to her with this green glitter. No, wait, wait. It's in the future. It's when she's so detempest. She has that green glitter lip. And I'm like, is Jaden kind of one of the faces of the season? Kind of beautiful?

[Michelle Visage]

Absolutely beautiful.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. So then we get. Honestly, this whole day. I just remember that. And then elimination.

[Michelle Visage]

This Runway, I'm sorry, had some highs and some lows. I. It really was a hit and miss, I think, was mostly misses in. I'll go down the list, because I remember I really took notes on this.

[Raja Gemini]

Can I say my babe?

[Michelle Visage]

Yes.

[Raja Gemini]

Who's Violet?

[Michelle Visage]

No.

[Raja Gemini]

That little Vegas was so cool. She's naked, wearing feathers.

[Michelle Visage]

No.

[Raja Gemini]

And I love.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, this was Yessika Alba. This was Yessica Alba and her shameless plug for her shitty products. I'm sorry.

[Raja Gemini]

I remember Kennedy.

[Michelle Visage]

So a non entity Kennedy wins the challenge.

[Raja Gemini]

And we're like, you want baby wipes, girl?

[Michelle Visage]

Girl. And Jessica Alba, God love her, she was one of the most beautiful women in the world. Shows up in the shittiest outfit. Sorry, I know. This is so shady.

[Raja Gemini]

No, she also says, like, I don't know what I've got myself into or something. I don't know what?

[Michelle Visage]

Boring. It's just like, B, O, r, n, G, mama. But you're gorgeous.

[Raja Gemini]

The Honest company, I've never tried their products.

[Michelle Visage]

Me neither.

[Raja Gemini]

And I think they're. I think they're clean ingredients. I think it's like, you know, they're.

[Michelle Visage]

Made in the Sudan.

[Raja Gemini]

No. I think some families.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Don't want to use chemicals for, like, cleaning.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. No parabens. Blah, blah, blah. Off. Good for her.

[Raja Gemini]

Those were amazing. Max is great. Max is lowkey. I loved it.

[Michelle Visage]

Hated it.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, I loved it.

[Michelle Visage]

Okay. There was no green.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, yeah. It's just green nipples.

[Michelle Visage]

Green nipples and like, a. A vaguely sage panier or whatever you call it.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Hated it. That's true.

[Michelle Visage]

Hated it. I mean, the face is always Kennedy's.

[Raja Gemini]

And she wins the challenge.

[Michelle Visage]

Girl. Hers was so chicken feathers.

[Raja Gemini]

Chicken feathers.

[Michelle Visage]

So let's go ugly. Ugly. Ginger. Horrible. Awful. Awful.

[Raja Gemini]

Is it the satin?

[Michelle Visage]

Yes.

[Raja Gemini]

She looks like a leprechaun.

[Michelle Visage]

This should have been her ugliest dress. This should have been her ugliest dress.

[Raja Gemini]

The ugliest dress one is also green.

[Michelle Visage]

I know, but that was better than this one.

[Raja Gemini]

This one was pretty bad.

[Michelle Visage]

Mine was so basic. So basic. And I have the worst outfitters. Wig, hairline. It's a helmet.

[Raja Gemini]

It's a helmet.

[Michelle Visage]

It's. Lord, it's. It's a dark helmet from Spaceballs.

[Raja Gemini]

It is truly the beginning of a dress. It's like if you sewed the dress and then you're gonna do shit to it.

[Michelle Visage]

Mary. It's. It was a T shirt, long dress with a slit. I had it. Listen, I had. I was broke, I was poor. I had no time. I had a green dress. There was a green Runway. I said, that's it, right? That's what they're getting. I gave a little leg.

[Raja Gemini]

That's wasn't bad. It was not a winning one.

[Michelle Visage]

It's completely forgettable.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah, it was green. I liked it better than Kennedy's, but it. It honestly is just more forgettable because it's Kennedy. So over designed Kennedy, you know it's bad. No, no.

[Michelle Visage]

I don't know. I don't know when she knows this bad that those shitty chicken feather bulk across the middle. Oh, my God. It was so. The over design was so nasty. Who else? Fame. Sensational. Not her best, but lovely.

[Raja Gemini]

I love this fame one.

[Michelle Visage]

It's like a purple green and it's iridescent green. It's like, it's beautiful.

[Raja Gemini]

It's cool.

[Michelle Visage]

Her mug.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Oh, and she's got the black hair. I think this is the first time we see fame in black hair.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. I can't wait till we get there. The death. Death becomes her because her makeup in.

[Raja Gemini]

That makeup is for real.

[Michelle Visage]

Legendary. Okay, then who is a Pearl? Hated it.

[Raja Gemini]

Hated it. Pearl. Hated it.

[Michelle Visage]

It was crafts. It was. It was a 6th grade Halloween craft store.

[Raja Gemini]

She is so tiny in this.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. She looks crazy. She looks like she's giving Anna.

[Raja Gemini]

I liked the makeup.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. I loved the little, you know, the, the. The fishnet shading thing for this, for scales. Hated this outfit with a passion.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

Hated it so much. Just because she's so good. Jaden's. I didn't like it.

[Raja Gemini]

You know, I talked to Jaden today on the phone and she said, girl.

[Michelle Visage]

It was a dance costume.

[Raja Gemini]

She said, honestly, when I got on Drag Race, she said, I called the call center I worked at. I told him I needed to go on a leave. And she said. I went home and she said casting told me to just start looking through my closet. And she said, I realized all my outfits were for dancing and making money.

[Michelle Visage]

Dude, I understand that. I. That was like, I. I had mostly catsuits to perform in.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, I just didn't have any Drag race.

[Raja Gemini]

And they're like, it's too many bodysuits. I'm like, you know what we do for work, right?

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. You know I perform, right? Yeah. It was crazy. I. My unforgettable. Who.

[Raja Gemini]

Because gowns are so limiting. And as a working drag queen, you have your gown for your ballad or whatever.

[Michelle Visage]

You do gowns for the second number on Wednesday night with nobody there.

[Raja Gemini]

Right.

[Michelle Visage]

You know, fam. Violets was just. And so creative. Like, such a great unusual choice. Okay.

[Raja Gemini]

Violet's face. Look, Violet's in Fame is. Or Candy's in a green dress with a green wig. Oh, it's like a Beyonce ombre. But it's green.

[Michelle Visage]

It was a. It was a mother. The mother of the bride beaded thing with some green. Green.

[Raja Gemini]

It's like a Beyonce. Green hair, green tips.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Too forgettable.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. I. I really hated that outfit of hers.

[Michelle Visage]

I don't know. She looked very pretty, but it was just.

[Raja Gemini]

I didn't respond to Pearls at all, honestly. I don't know if mine was a losing look at the time, but I don't love it.

[Michelle Visage]

No, I really. And it's also cake is very. Anything goes. Temple of Doom. Ching Chong.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Honestly, it's. I. Through my eyes of 20, 25, I can understand that the 23 year old or whatever who put that look together, who didn't know what Bryant park was like. My only references of fashion at all were from like costume stores and cartoons.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

So almost everything is like an occupation.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Or like when you're that early in drag, bit everything in a bit.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, you're doing your like oriental thing.

[Raja Gemini]

The fact that I'm like a white girl wearing like a Chinese look.

[Michelle Visage]

Well, mama, you have to think. You have to consider this. This is back when Gwen Stefani had Harajuku girls as accessories. And you know what I mean? Like, this is very. This is a different time 10 years ago. It sounds like not a lot of time, but it actually was in terms of this kind of thing.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. When I've come a long way. What's crazy to think back is it never crossed my mind that that was.

[Michelle Visage]

And nobody said anything. Nobody they said Shanghai.

[Raja Gemini]

Also. It was a look that launched people on the Internet being mad that I was eliminated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

Nobody had took up any umbrage with it.

[Raja Gemini]

Now watching it, I'm like, that's a bizarre thing for you, girl from Wisconsin. What's weird about at the time, too, was people knew I was close with Kimchi, and people were like, did you borrow that from Kim? I said, kim's Korean.

[Michelle Visage]

Bam, there you go.

[Raja Gemini]

Even to this day, Kim. And I would call laughing because Kim was like, why does everyone think that I borrowed you this dress? I said, I don't know, girl. Kim texted the funniest fudgeing thing today. She was at Pride and someone said, I love you. You're like a drag queen with an aapi twist. Kim said, what's the twist? What's the twist? What does that mean?

[Michelle Visage]

It's Mandarin Oriental twist. What is with a twist?

[Raja Gemini]

Shout out to the POC queens, because I'm sure they get weird fucking shit like that said all the time.

[Michelle Visage]

Asian queens. Are you kidding me? What about Joel, Kim, Booster, Bowen, Yang being the same person to who? Everybody. It's so crazy. It's so crazy.

[Raja Gemini]

Not to me.

[Michelle Visage]

No, not to me either. But, like. But it's just so wild. What kind. What kind of Chinese are you?

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah, you know, it's. I guess I like. Can I say one thing I liked about the look? I guess I liked the fabric. The mint.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Mint julep.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah, I guess I like the color, but I don't know why I picked that. I'd never worn it before. It was made for Drag Race.

[Michelle Visage]

It was made for Drag Race.

[Raja Gemini]

I didn't own One thing green.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, my gosh.

[Raja Gemini]

I didn't have anything green. I didn't have One Thing green.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I should have done anything. I could have just had a sequin green gown, but honestly, I end up getting limited anyway, so it doesn't.

[Michelle Visage]

We should have. We should have talked about what we would wear now instead.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, that's a great. That's a great. Yeah, that's a good idea. I would have done instead something like violet, like a showgirl, but with a headpiece. And I can juggle. And I would have done something with juggling.

[Michelle Visage]

I think you maybe want to be a little more covered up.

[Raja Gemini]

Girl. You know what? Last time I wore that outfit was. Do you remember, like, Gas Pride. I did that lip sync gig at. For Netflix is a joke. I did, like, an outdoor gig, and all the comments were like, there was video of me lip syncing. You know, I Don't lip sync.

[Michelle Visage]

They were like.

[Raja Gemini]

All the comments were like, guess the rent was due. I'm like, how come?

[Michelle Visage]

I'm like, she's really slumming it. She has fallen. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

[Raja Gemini]

And also, you know, Netflix. I was not slumming it. Like, yeah, hello. Paid well. That was Fina. Fina was booked there. Like, it was just so crazy. Whenever people catch me lip syncing now, they're like, damn, what are your collections?

[Michelle Visage]

I'm like, uncle Sam's cut you out by the plier. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

So I remember it's time for critiques. I. I just. I knew I was not going to win this challenge. I was really blindsided that I was in the bottom. I couldn't believe it. I thought it was going to be Candy and Pearl.

[Michelle Visage]

Me too. Yeah. Yeah. I thought. Or. I mean, I don't know who I thought Candy. And by the.

[Raja Gemini]

I just didn't expect in the bottom. I remember, really, because Pearl, at this.

[Michelle Visage]

Point has still has been getting critiques of, like, girl.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

You know, and if this is, like, boy, it's getting to a boiling point.

[Raja Gemini]

So I was really. But I guess, you know, I want to say I was 24 and a huge dollop of delusion. I was probably just in shock that I was in bottom, because I was like, but I'm. But I mean, it's a, hello, my name. Yeah. So it was that. But B, I actually didn't think I did the best, and I didn't think I had the worst Runway. So I was like, oh, I'm. This is happening. And then I remember, I love Blondie. So I remember being like, thank God this is a song that I've known. I know every word. Didn't even have to listen to it. I knew every word. And you hope on Drag Race if you get a song where you hope. If you have to lip sync, it's a song you really know. I was like, I know the drums to this song. I know every part of this song. So I was like, I'm ready. And then I know Pearl. So I was like. I was pretty sure I was gonna bury her. And then it just didn't occur, you know?

[Michelle Visage]

And from. I watched. I know about lip syncing. I know about drag performance at this point. I've been doing drag for, like, I don't know, six years, seven years or something, and I. I've seen many drag performances, and I did not see Pearls as something that was exceptional. In fact, I thought it was something that was pretty bad. And so When I'm looking at you, you're. I mean, again, I don't think any performance on the main stage is great.

[Raja Gemini]

Right.

[Michelle Visage]

But I don't. I just can't do it because there's no walls, there's no support, there's no, like, you're not in your outfit of choice. You're not in your. Whatever. All these things stacked.

[Raja Gemini]

You're in a bad mood. You're the.

[Michelle Visage]

Your feet are like, literally gout.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

You've got gout.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

You know what I mean?

[Raja Gemini]

It's.

[Michelle Visage]

It's. It's razor blades on the toes. Yeah. I. I was like. There was no question in my mind because I was operating from this delusional point of, like, merit. So I was like, oh, it's a meritocracy. There's no product. It was like, oh, of course it's not.

[Raja Gemini]

And I still maybe didn't think. I. Can I say, I. I felt like I knew in my heart I was not going to win this competition, but I did think. Not think I was going this early, so I was really grappling with that. The reality of that. I was like, what?

[Michelle Visage]

Yes. I. I thought you and me were going to be about three quarters of the way to the end.

[Raja Gemini]

Me too.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I thought we'd have a lovely time with the free food.

[Michelle Visage]

Yes. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

And then go home and have memories.

[Michelle Visage]

And snapshots and then wouldn't have to go through the horror of the voting and the. The waiting and the numbers and all that crap, which I'm so actually relieved.

[Raja Gemini]

Well, we did end up doing that later and it's a different experience to wait a whole year and not really know what's going to happen.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

You know? Yeah. But I remember also. I remember they called Pearl's name and I thought it was a double stay.

[Michelle Visage]

I. Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I couldn't believe it was. That's delusional. It wasn't.

[Michelle Visage]

Believe. I was just as shocked and I didn't. Like you said, we weren't really friends at this point. I was completely shocked. I felt so shocked and betrayed.

[Raja Gemini]

Full body chills. I had full body chills.

[Michelle Visage]

I feel so shocked and betrayed right now.

[Raja Gemini]

It was crazy in the moment, too.

[Michelle Visage]

Because she was doing something like this. People in the car. Just imagine.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. It was like a different style, for sure. Different style. Marian Williamson.

[Michelle Visage]

No, no, it was more the. The in fabric, but it was like. It was a. It was whatever. Who cares? Who cares?

[Raja Gemini]

It was so long.

[Michelle Visage]

Who cares?

[Raja Gemini]

And you know what I learned from watching this? I haven't Watched this episode in so long, in the moment, it feels like the end of the world. And if I could go. If I have advice to somebody who's on Drag Race now, if you lose a lip sync and go home the way it is. Not a big deal. No, it is not a big deal.

[Michelle Visage]

You got it. I would that. That's the advice I've given girls before, too. Like I say, do not go on the show unless you are a hundred percent comfortable with the fact of going home first.

[Raja Gemini]

100, yes.

[Michelle Visage]

Not. Then you don't have no business being on that show. Like, you. Of course, you need to want to win, and you need to think you can win, but you have to, like, not unlike me, who thought I would kill myself. You know, like, you can't do that. It's not. It's just a show. And you can also parlay it into a lot of.

[Raja Gemini]

And I'll tell you guys, if you don't know when you get eliminated, I don't know if people know that this happens. So RuPaul comes out, and you leave. They take you to a. All the other drag queens wait behind the main stage in silence for what feels like an hour.

[Michelle Visage]

It feels like.

[Raja Gemini]

So everyone who say, I forgot sit there. One person has won. One person went home. And the story producers stand there with cattle prods ready to be like. Because they're like, don't spill the tea without the cameras. Which is, by the way, what I would do. I would tell. I would slap people and say, don't fucking talk about that until we get the cameras on.

[Michelle Visage]

No shit.

[Raja Gemini]

Make.

[Michelle Visage]

Don't you want people to make it a television show? Yeah. You're a terrible actor, right?

[Raja Gemini]

So they make everyone wait. And I remember, I. They take you. Take you to a room. You're still in drag, I think. They let you get on a makeup, and then they sit you down, they go, you did a great job. And I remember they went, four episodes. That's a month of television. You're gonna be on TV for four weeks, plus you get to come back for a reunion. And they were. They were telling me very.

[Michelle Visage]

That's really nice.

[Raja Gemini]

They were like, really nice. I remember Theron was like, you're forever a Drag Race girl, and you can do anything with this, and it's not a big deal. You know, he was like, somebody went home yesterday. Somebody goes home tomorrow. Like, that's really helpful.

[Michelle Visage]

That's really.

[Raja Gemini]

And it was very helpful. And I was just shocked. I was so shocked. And I remember going, I flew home for a Week.

[Michelle Visage]

Boop.

[Raja Gemini]

Because I come back. Spoiler alert. I flew home for a week, and when I left, I remember when I got eliminated, they said, you're coming back in a week. And I said.

[Michelle Visage]

I told you that right away.

[Raja Gemini]

Yes, they said, you're coming back in a week. And I said, for what? And they said, well, you just. You're cut. You will be making another appearance, so you can go home, but don't unpack or anything. They might have even left me. Let me leave my drive Drag.

[Michelle Visage]

That's fierce. Because those baggage fees, honey, they weren't paying them.

[Raja Gemini]

But you also, I think, could go home and get extra dragon. You know, you could cheat.

[Michelle Visage]

Imagine if you just came home and, like, just came back, like, with, like, Daphne Guinness.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, yeah. With breasts.

[Michelle Visage]

Breasts full. Full.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah, of course.

[Michelle Visage]

Sorry. I'm walking weird. My cunt is healing.

[Raja Gemini]

No, I come back and I got my hairline done, but just recently, it's just scabs.

[Michelle Visage]

And I'm like, scabs. Blood. And then dilating, for sure.

[Raja Gemini]

And so I went home and fucked your boyfriend. That's it. I went up. My beautiful boyfriend.

[Michelle Visage]

What did you do when you went home?

[Raja Gemini]

My beautiful boyfriend Kyle picked me up at the airport. I remember I arrived at the Milwaukee terminal, Southwest Rich. And I walked, and my boyfriend saw me, and I went like this, and I cried, and then he gave me a hug. And then we just like, I went out to eat and had sex. Not the same time, but like I said, my lovely boyfriend Kyle, at the time. And we just hung out, and then I went back. We will not get to it. But I went back. Not really. They didn't tell me it was going to be to compete and tell me anything. Well, but it was really disappointing. And when the show came out, I was shocked at the outpouring of support when I was eliminated. They don't tell you that. It's almost like when you get eliminated from Drag Race. It's the. Everybody loves you.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

When you're not in the running.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

People just focus on what they like.

[Michelle Visage]

You should have won. You should have stayed. You should have did this.

[Raja Gemini]

You went home too early. I loved you. It was actually. Actually such a blessing.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Weirdly, of course.

[Michelle Visage]

Me. High drama in the confessionals. I am so shocked and betrayed. She should be here. This is a travesty.

[Raja Gemini]

And I'm leaving.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. That's the last straw.

[Raja Gemini]

I did not have an exit line plan, because I'm telling you, I did not think this was going to happen. And, you know, that's Delulu.

[Michelle Visage]

No, it's not. It's not Dulu.

[Raja Gemini]

There's moments on, like, All Stars or whatever where I was like, oh, I know I'm gonna be in the bottom. Or, I know I won. I really didn't. I didn't think I even made a strong enough oppression impression to be in the bottom. It was, like, so mid. But honestly, that's kind of the worst thing you can do.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, but this is also so. Okay. So for the people on Reddit and all this stuff and the sloots and stuff, this is where I start to become. Where Pollyanna starts to become aware of production.

[Raja Gemini]

Right.

[Michelle Visage]

Because this is obviously a rivalry or not a rivalry. This is a emotionally juiced moment. Moment.

[Raja Gemini]

Yes. Pearl and I were real friends.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. And she had. And she cried. We were, and I believed her.

[Raja Gemini]

I still consider us real friends. I just texted her this week, and it was green.

[Michelle Visage]

She blocked you.

[Raja Gemini]

I watch. If you guys would like to support Pearl. Her. She is still creating in, like, 300 different ways on the Internet.

[Michelle Visage]

So, I mean, it sounds.

[Raja Gemini]

She's not building our bees. She's sewing. She's doing makeup.

[Michelle Visage]

She's doing crazy characters in the desert.

[Raja Gemini]

I know. In the woods, doing dragons.

[Michelle Visage]

Spheres.

[Raja Gemini]

In a lot of ways, watching Pearl is really interesting because when I remove myself from our age and our friendship, this is sort of a turning point as a viewer, where Pearl cracks and kind of decides to care about Drag Race.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

She actually, from here on out.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Goes harder.

[Michelle Visage]

Yes.

[Raja Gemini]

At least from a viewer standpoint.

[Michelle Visage]

Okay. From a viewer standpoint. From my standpoint, I'm like, well, we'll get to it. Because, yes, a 180 degree personality change is very common to happen over 24 hours. Yes, darling.

[Raja Gemini]

Watching it, honestly, as a viewer, when I take myself out of it and obviously disappointment, I, as a viewer, do like Pearl on Drag Race. I like her talking heads. I like her drive.

[Michelle Visage]

I like her, too.

[Raja Gemini]

And so I don't know. If I was a viewer, I wouldn't like to see Pearl go either. So it's. It's kind of a hard elimination. I. I really thought. Candy. Love. I thought it was gonna be Candy.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. I. It was tough because the two of you. So for me, the two of you are very unique characters thus far. Drag Race. You look like a boy. You look like a boy.

[Raja Gemini]

And Dre.

[Michelle Visage]

No, no. Like, you look like a boy.

[Raja Gemini]

Yes.

[Michelle Visage]

And. And like.

[Raja Gemini]

Which is real hard left for drag queens. Eyebrows.

[Michelle Visage]

I'm. No, it is. You look like a male boy. Like an. And you're like an attractive young man. And then Pearl's a heartthrob, really. I mean, I'm heart throb.

[Raja Gemini]

Very handsome.

[Michelle Visage]

Teeny Bop magazine. She's from One Direction.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

She's in BTS and his. She's New Kids on the block. She's in NSync.

[Raja Gemini]

He has this, like, little square jaw with blue eyes that are kind of far set, like James Dean. Very handsome.

[Michelle Visage]

He's Dean.

[Raja Gemini]

Yes.

[Michelle Visage]

And that's. And it can't be overstated. I mean, it's. Looks count for a lot on a tv. TV show that's about looks.

[Raja Gemini]

I just mean as a. As a fan of who is on the Drag Race, I also would have been mad if I would have wanted to see more Pearl too. So I don't know.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

In the moment, you feel, poor me, poor me. But watching it, I'm like, girl, it's another drag queen getting eliminated from Drag Race.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

But you have to understand, this is also at a time where there wasn't eight franchises a year. Totally felt so serious. Yeah. Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

And it was.

[Raja Gemini]

Drag Race was once a year.

[Michelle Visage]

That's true.

[Raja Gemini]

In one franchise.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. And all eyes were on you. All drag eyes were on the show.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. And this was when girls from the show really were stars for a year. And I don't mean that a shitty way, but now you really need to make a splash to even get a few Pride bookings. I think so.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh. Now it's a different situation. But from season three to season. Our season, because season six was huge.

[Raja Gemini]

Huge, huge.

[Michelle Visage]

I mean, Bianca, Courtney, Adore Mega stars really launched that.

[Raja Gemini]

That, that season being so good made it hard for people to like our season, I think.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

But also really helped our bookability.

[Michelle Visage]

Yes. We. We went. Many of us went on to. To, like, incrementally make many, many thousands of dollars at our bookings. So, like, not me.

[Raja Gemini]

Millions at each one. Amber Mary's Milwaukee instantly changed my salary.

[Michelle Visage]

$12 million. Okay, well, let's go around.

[Raja Gemini]

Okay.

[Michelle Visage]

So I. I feel so shocked and betrayed.

[Raja Gemini]

It was. Honestly, I was. I'm watching the whole thing with someone who's never seen it, which is very illuminating.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. I think I must have been starting to be your friend at this point, because I really felt those things that I said in the, in the confessional.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. I was. I mean, I, I. Watching it with someone's never seen it, and they were shocked. And I was like, I would. I guess I was shocked. It was weird.

[Michelle Visage]

It was shocking.

[Raja Gemini]

It was shocking. It was shining.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

But, like, I Said it almost weirdly backfires on the person who stays. Because I remember people being weirdly anti Pearl.

[Michelle Visage]

Absolutely.

[Raja Gemini]

Which I thought was crazy.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, remember anti Kennedy? Well, that's another thing. We'll get to that later. But also, this is also goes to show because for the viewer, this is what, four episodes? This is about a week and a half. A week and a half. But in human time, this is four months.

[Raja Gemini]

It's been eight years.

[Michelle Visage]

It's been eight. No, because we have no social media. We have no other friends. We have no other social contact. We are completely.

[Raja Gemini]

And we're doing drag 12 hours a day.

[Michelle Visage]

12 hours. And we are very. We're. It's a Vietnam kind of situation. We. For fast friendships and bonds are forged instantly.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

So that's kind of a lot of the drama comes from that, but.

[Raja Gemini]

Oh, Pearl said a voice note. Yes. All right, Pearl. Side note, I maybe delusionally think that I'm close friends with Pearl, so I call her or send her texts all the time, and she always responds, which at least means she's interested in correspondence.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

Hang out with her. I've always believed that I'm close to her, and a lot of my friendships are completely one way, and that's okay.

[Michelle Visage]

Works for you.

[Raja Gemini]

Works for me.

[Guest Voice Note]

The most memorable thing for me to come from our season would be when Trixie and I had to lip sync. People don't understand what it's like to have won that lip sync and then watch Trixie become the Trixie that we know and love today. Yeah. For the last decade, I've been slowly, publicly executed because of this moment. Truly, somehow, I'm 100% at fault. And as much as I appreciate the death threats, perhaps someone could have the wherewithal to blame the actual person who chose to send you home. Ginger won another lip sync against you, but nobody seems to recall, so I have to say the wrath feels personal. Anyway, I'm proud of you both, and I'm happy to be your season seven sister. And there's nothing you can do about it. Keep being blonde. Blonde, hot and horny. Smoochies.

[Raja Gemini]

Okay, that's very.

[Michelle Visage]

I need to say a little few things, because that is crazy.

[Raja Gemini]

No. Can I say we just said this voice note reminds me of what we just said, which is when you. When someone you like on Drag Race goes home, it's not fair to turn to the other drag queen and say.

[Michelle Visage]

You didn't say, actually, I'm in charge. Chop.

[Raja Gemini]

Pearl didn't send me home.

[Michelle Visage]

It's RuPaul.

[Raja Gemini]

You.

[Michelle Visage]

It's [e-mail]. you can. You can. You can email her, you can send letters to World of Wonder, you can Google the address.

[Raja Gemini]

And can I tell you something about Pearl? I've known Pearl for probably damn near 15 years. Pearl is not someone sitting home sending death threats to people. No, Pearl's not thinking about Drag Race.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. You think Kennedy was. Kennedy invited me to Thanksgiving, girl. And I went there and it was like, the time. And her family was like, I'm part of the family. It was amazing.

[Raja Gemini]

But that really me out. That voice not bummed me out.

[Michelle Visage]

That was really fucking sad. And also a big eye opener.

[Raja Gemini]

Well, shit.

[Michelle Visage]

Well, anybody who's going to send death threats is not going to listen to us.

[Raja Gemini]

This is the thing. I. I would like to not speak out of turn, but I want to say that I know Pearl enough to know that she did not love every part of doing Drag Race, and she hated most parts of being famous. And, yeah, it makes me sad that her main memory from this is that she was just doing her job, which is to compete. They say, go lip sync, and she said, okay.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

And makes me sad.

[Michelle Visage]

I know.

[Raja Gemini]

Because she did a lot of great drag on Drag Race.

[Michelle Visage]

And also I. She display. She had the most incredible, unprecedented, unparalleled display of testicular hugeness when she stood up with. To report.

[Raja Gemini]

That's a whole section of my. Because, Mary, I cannot wait to get to there, girl.

[Michelle Visage]

I was so confident. I was like. I was 24 inches away. And I. I remember it like it was yesterday.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah. Honestly.

[Michelle Visage]

We'll see you next time.

[Raja Gemini]

Can I have one thing?

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

I. I honestly would like to say at the time, what I just said about don't hate the other person. I didn't really think that much about that at the time because I was just receiving all this. That lip sync.

[Michelle Visage]

You were a martyr.

[Raja Gemini]

Everybody was a martyr. So nice to me about.

[Michelle Visage]

You were a martyr.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah, everybody was being nice to me because I lost.

[Michelle Visage]

Right.

[Raja Gemini]

And I guess I didn't spend much time thinking about at the time how much that would fill for Pearl.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah.

[Raja Gemini]

But over the years, I've thought a lot about it.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. Because I've never.

[Raja Gemini]

Shitty.

[Michelle Visage]

I've never received that. Alaska has. Kennedy has.

[Raja Gemini]

Alaska. Kennedy.

[Michelle Visage]

I mean, Alaska and Kennedy have been. Have been spammed. Death threated. Do you think Alaska. Do you know how many times Alaska has had to listen in a meet and greet for her? Like, Katya should have won. No, she shouldn't have.

[Raja Gemini]

Right.

[Michelle Visage]

Like, in. In Knowing full well that, like, no, she shouldn't have. That she won. Like, she killed it. I know. You know, whatever.

[Raja Gemini]

Right?

[Michelle Visage]

But, like, that's so frustrating.

[Raja Gemini]

Yeah.

[Michelle Visage]

The repetition of it.

[Raja Gemini]

Honestly, I think my understanding of that probably came from All Stars. When, when I did well, it became about other people who should have done better.

[Michelle Visage]

And it's not.

[Raja Gemini]

But that's a fleck of what Pearl got. Pearl got that for the rest of the season.

[Michelle Visage]

Kennedy. Kennedy got bombed.

[Raja Gemini]

It was so.

[Michelle Visage]

Even though, like, even though she's so. Whatever, we'll get to it.

[Raja Gemini]

I feel sad about that voice note. Pearl, I'm sorry.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah, that's really sad.

[Raja Gemini]

I'm really sorry. I guess maybe at the time, if I had understood that, I would have been like, y' all are being whack.

[Michelle Visage]

Yeah. But you don't, because you're in a whole different mindset. Well, Spain, new to your.

[Raja Gemini]

I mean, the Pearl, the fact that she even sent us a voice note. Thank you.

[Michelle Visage]

Oh, and I have a. I have a lovely, teeny little good note to end on. I went to a car wash for the first time and I, I drove over a giant cone and I had it stuck in my tire for the whole time until I got to the front of the car wash and the girl's like.

[Raja Gemini]

I was like, what? She's like, you said, my car. Thanks.

[Michelle Visage]

I was like, I got out of the car, mama. This big, this tall, wedged in the. The left front tire the whole time. Cunty.

[Raja Gemini]

See you later. You say you'll never join the Navy, that living on a submarine would be too hard. You'd never power a whole ship with nuclear energy, never bring a patient back to life or play the national anthem for a sold out crowd. Joining the nation Navy sounds crazy. Saying never actually is. Start your [e-mail] America's Navy forged by the sea.

[Michelle Visage]

You say you'll never join the Navy. Never climb Mount Fuji on a port visit or break this down barrier. Joining the Navy sounds crazy. Saying never actually is. Learn [e-mail] America's Navy forged by the sea.

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