RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Eps 11 to 14: "Le Finalé Débonnaire Extraordinaire" with Trixie and Katya

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya
Episode: RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Eps 11-14: "Le Finalé Débonnaire Extraordinaire"
Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: Trixie Mattel & Katya Zamolodchikova
Special Guest: Kennedy Davenport (voice note & live call)

This episode dives into the final stretch of RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 7, covering episodes 11-14. Trixie and Katya revisit their personal experiences, behind-the-scenes drama, the infamous Hello Kitty Ball, the finale, and crowns. With biting humor and candor, they reflect on mental health, production quirks, creativity under pressure, and unforgettable contestant moments—including an appearance from their Season 7 peer, Kennedy Davenport.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Recap of Recent Episodes and Eliminations

• Trixie’s feelings about being eliminated for a second time
  • Relief and lack of regret:

    "Honestly, it was such a relief to go. The second time I was ready to go." — Trixie (04:23)

• Idea for creative mirror messages post-elimination
  • Joke about going big if ever eliminated again:

    "If I ever did drag race again, I would either write a novel ... I would really let everyone there have it." — Trixie (04:33)

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The Puppet Challenge – Flop or Fun?

[05:16–06:15]

• Both hosts expressed how much the puppet mini-challenge “flopped,” with Katya highlighting how bad it was even after editing.

  "I biffed it. ... It was horrible. I didn't. I hated it." — Katya (05:34)
  “If it flops on television, that's the best, girl.” — Katya (05:58)
  "People say 'I want to see the uncut version.' I was like, no, you don't. No, you don't." — Katya (06:10)

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Confidence and Drag Race Success

[07:11–08:31]

• Violet Chachki’s unshakable self-assurance is discussed as a key advantage:

  "Violet is confident. 21 years old on Drag Race. Unflinching." — Trixie (07:26)
  “It was a confidence that definitely bordered on arrogance.” — Katya (07:32)
  “What an asset.” — Trixie (07:35)

• Anecdote about Bob the Drag Queen’s win as another example of confidence overcoming technical weaknesses:

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The Hello Kitty Ball Challenge

[10:59–17:19]

• Trixie felt jealousy about missing the Hello Kitty challenge, while Katya remembers her total unraveling during it.

  “I would have loved to meet Hello Kitty.” — Trixie (11:00) “I was so deliriously unraveling.” — Katya (11:14)

• Katya details poor materials, bad tools, and mental health pressure:

  "The nastiest see-through nylon, spandex, sweatshop crap ... and then a table of junk." — Katya (12:17) “I want to research. You don't have access to any of that stuff. ... I don't have a library of fashion in my head.” — Katya (16:22)

• Katya ascribes her “giving up” vibes to sobriety fatigue and creative block by that point:

  “I hadn't been to a meeting in six weeks ... I was unraveling.” — Katya (17:12)

  • "Their perception was you just are kind of choosing to not fight at this point." — Trixie (17:24)

• Trixie and Katya debate look construction, why styling can kill a look (Katya: “the hair was really fucked!” — 24:17), and lament the pressures that shape contestant success and failure.

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Memorable Runways & Judges

• Critique of various queen’s Hello Kitty Ball looks (Ginger, Kennedy, Pearl, Violet).

  “She glued Hello Kitties and put the bows... Glued the bows she loves to glue to her face.” — Trixie (22:31)

• Violet’s design acumen and confidence praised as true turning point for the season.

  “That was my turning point where I was like, Violet, I think might really deserve this.” — Trixie (23:37)

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Lip Syncs & Self-Sabotage

[24:06–31:02]

• Katya discusses her mindset before the “Roar” lip sync and accepts her own giving up.

  “100% accepting death. Laying down on a 6-inch puddle and wanting to drown.” — Trixie (17:37)

• After her elimination, Katya reflects:

  "I told RuPaul to send me home. ... I didn’t want to win." — Katya (26:49)

• Explores what might have been with different styling and energy.

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Finale & The Reality of Reality TV

[49:45–54:42]

• Trixie and Katya admit they don’t even remember many details of the “Born Naked” finale episode itself.
• Quick rundown: Violet’s unconventional top-hat-and-pants look, Pearl’s nude bustier with big hair, Kennedy’s rainbow dress.

• Katya confesses relief at not having to continue to the end and field potential hate from fans.

  “I was so glad that I did not have to take part in the rest of the season, which to me seemed extraordinarily stressful.” — Katya (49:57)

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Behind the Scenes of the Crowning

[56:17–64:49]

• The night-the-lights-went-out legend: During the NYC live viewing, the power failed before the winner was announced. Urban myth swirled about swap-out checks.

  "Legend has it the huge check was Scooby Doo swapped in a flash and a name was scribbled out." — Katya (64:25)

• Trixie describes selling merch at the event while Violet performed aerials:

  “I'm watching her up on the loop spinning while, like, swiping people's, like, cards.” — Trixie (55:50)

• The pair discuss the importance of Drag Race as a platform and the ongoing pressure and anxiety of competing.

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Kennedy Davenport Calls In (Phone Call + Voice Note)

[44:18–46:03, 59:00–61:41]

• Kennedy reminisces about Season 7, her bond with both Trixie and Katya, and the pain of finding out she was cut from the top three only a week before the filmed finale:

  “I knew. They told me not to say nothing.” — Kennedy (61:28)

  • “They was telling us to get ready because ... the top four of us [were] going to have to do a whole production and stuff, and then they just...then they changed their minds.” — Kennedy (60:50)

• Heartfelt appreciation for their shared experience.

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Reflections, Gratitude, and Legacy

[67:08–68:24]

• Katya and Trixie describe their gratitude for Drag Race, their awe for RuPaul, and the strange, transformative impact of the show:

  “RuPaul did this thing to all of us where he goes, is there anything else you want to say? ... and I remember just saying thank you.” — Trixie (67:11)

  • “She says, you are a freak, and I freaking love you. And I, inside, I, like, exploded.” — Katya (68:11)

• Discussion of nerves, mental health struggles, and their changed feelings about doing TV after Drag Race Season 7 (“During season seven, I was scared all the time, all day.” — Trixie, 74:07).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Mental Health and Losing Steam

“I was so deliriously having, like, unraveling, having a menti b. ... I just wanted to go home.” — Katya (11:14, 17:12)

On Surviving (and Channeling) Drag Race

“You should bring your own sewing machine.” — Trixie, about surviving the mechanics of Drag Race (12:28)

On Violet’s Winning Moment

“That was my turning point where I go, Violet, I think might really deserve this.” — Trixie (23:37)

On Self-Awareness & Realness

“I didn't want to win. ... Nice to meet you.” — Katya (26:54)

Drag Race as “Pure Insanity”

"The sheer, unadulterated beauty of pure insanity." — Podcast description

On Merchandise, Business, and Survival

“She won. ... I'm watching her up on the loop spinning while, like, swiping people's, like, cards.” — Trixie (55:50)
"If there's fans of mine here, I'm going to go set up this card table." — Trixie (55:43)

On Gratitude and RuPaul

“Do you have any main overarching? ... RuPaul was really looking in my eyes, and I remember just saying thank you.” — Trixie (67:08)

Legendary Tale: The Night The Lights Went Out

"Legend has it the huge check was Scooby Doo swapped in a flash and a name was scribbled out. And another one." — Katya (64:25)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Puppet Challenge Meltdown – 05:16–06:15
• The Confidence Conversation: Bob, Violet, Winning Mindset – 07:11–08:31
• The Hello Kitty Ball, Unraveling, and Katya's Mental Health – 10:59–17:19
• Runways & Judges, Katya’s Creative Block & Self-Sabotage – 22:07–24:19
• Lip Syncs, “Roar,” and Elimination – 24:06–31:02, [“Roar” discussion resumes at 37:31]
• Reflections after Drag Race, Business Wisdom – 55:31–56:59
• Crowning Night, Urban Legend, “Night the Lights Went Out” – 64:20–64:49
• Kennedy Davenport’s Call: Cut from the finale – 59:00–61:41
• Gratitude and RuPaul Stories – 67:08–68:35
• Final reflections on Season 7, nerves, and legacy – 73:54–74:45

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Concluding Thoughts

Trixie and Katya’s irreverent, self-effacing banter gives honest insight into the challenges, triumphs, and absurdities of the late-stage Drag Race Season 7 experience—both as reality TV and as queer performance art. Highlights include behind-the-scenes production secrets, Katya’s vulnerable honesty about mental health, the strategic importance of confidence, and the realities of post-Drag Race business hustle. A poignant phone-in from Kennedy Davenport and candid final reflections close out the season with gratitude, wit, and a reminder that Drag Race is as transformative off camera as on.

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For fans and Drag Race newcomers alike, this episode is a wry, revealing look at the ups and downs of reality TV legend, filtered through the unique comedic lens of two of drag’s brightest—and baldest—stars.

Transcript

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[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Trixie Mattel]

Nuts. I'm obsessed with nuts.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know. I've seen your search history.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, you little idiot. I'm talking about the snack that pretends to be bad for you, but it isn't. I'm talking about wonderful pistachios.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, slap my behind and call me Shirley. You're talking about wonderful pistachios. The don't hold back snack. Tell me more, oh, wise purveyor of nut facts.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, it came in a package to my house, and each serving has 6 grams of protein. Plus, they're bold, flavorful, and just a little dangerous. You can get honey roasted, jalapeno lime chili roasted, or my favorite, which I tried this morning, dill pickle.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And as my great Aunt Olga used to say, wonderful pistachios bring the heat, the sweet, and everything in between.

[Trixie Mattel]

Plus, they come with shells or no shells for your snacking pleasure. I'm a no shells person. I can't have anything get in the way of me eating. I've got lashes to glue on, I got wigs to fluff, but if you like cracking them, I want you to live your nutcracking truth, honey.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Whether I'm backstage on the road, or hiding in a wig closet with the bag in hand, wonderful pistachios are my go to. I love the flavor of them.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love them now.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, I love.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love them, too. And when I'm in drag, I can't always sit and eat a whole meal. But sometimes I just need a little something.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

A little.

[Trixie Mattel]

A little nut. And if I have a healthy option, I'm a Lot more likely to eat that. Yeah, so don't hold back, dear listeners. Grab a bag of wonderful pistachios and snack like the stunning diva you are.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Visit wonderful pistachios.com to learn more.

[Trixie Mattel]

Again, that's wonderful pistachios.com to Learn more. Take it from us, we know our way around a bag of nuts.

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[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God. So last time we haven't recorded in a while. I just lost printing queens. Can I bring up my notes, please? I watched this and can I say it's exciting.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, did we do printing?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, we. But. But I'm saying last time we already did. Starts with the elimination from last episode.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

So we did prancing Queens and you had to go. I had to go. But that's okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Not should have been Pearl.

[Trixie Mattel]

Honestly, it was such a relief to go. To go. The second time I was ready to go. Let's see. Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Shake the dice, steal the rice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay. Lip sync. Okay. So the next episode, I'm gone. Love it. Whatever. I should have wrote something more Creative on the. I should. If I ever did drag race again, I would either write a novel where I'm like, this message is for Rachel. You know what I mean? I would really let everyone there have it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or you would spend 20 minutes lipsticking your whole ass and then just printing a cheek mark.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or seemingly toxic. Like, just take the lipstick and do the whole mirror opaque.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You, like, pull out a can of spray paint. I got my own lipstick, for sure.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or, like, a bloody handprint.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Or you just smash the mirror.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And they use trash the room.

[Trixie Mattel]

How has no one ever done, like, Black Swan?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because, girl, ain't nobody got no imagination, no references.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I mean, not me. I think mine was like, bye. Okay, so the. The episode opens with you guys getting to do puppets. The puppet challenge.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I hated this.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've never gotten to do this. It's. Can I tell you, as a viewer, it's fun and funky.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was not a great, funny group. No puppets.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. I biffed it.

[Trixie Mattel]

I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was horrible. I didn't. I. I hated it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Somebody had a Katya puppet, and it just said, I'm gonna go smoke meth. That was a little fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was that violet. I think it was Violet. That was funny. I was like, come on. I'm so easy. You know what I mean? I hated that challenge so much. I felt so stressed out also. That was the beginning of my mental. My menti.

[Trixie Mattel]

B. Yeah. I wrote here, my note says, puppets flopped.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, it's.

[Trixie Mattel]

It kind of flopped.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was a huge flop. And you gotta realize, folks at home on the 405 and the 110, it, like, if. If it flops on television, that's the best, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's them editing and adding sound effects.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the best they could come up with. So there's a lot. Like, people say, I want to see the uncut version. I was like, no, you don't. No, you don't.

[Trixie Mattel]

You don't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because it's very bad.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know what? I say that. But when I listen to our live pods, what we're great on, I'm not talking about. I'm not excellent.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. I'm talking about Drag Race.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They suck. Everyone over there sucks. You and I were incredible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But, I mean, do you know what I'm saying? It's like when a challenge flops, girl. Or like in lip sync. When a lip sync sucks, baby. Watch the whole thing, girl, and it'll feel like six minute long hours.

[Trixie Mattel]

Especially when it's like, I remember every lip sync There was a lip sync on All Stars that was Nobody's Supposed to Be Here. The extended dance mix version. It's like, we're watching. We're watching Bendelacreme do Nobody's Supposed to Be Here. Whatever. Like, for Sig Dub.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's actually abusive. Yeah, that's abusive.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kennedy's like, play the track again. Like, some people probably can do it, but still.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's crazy. Two and a half minute max. They should edit those songs. I'm sorry.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, they literally just do two minutes. I wrote. So Kati and Violet have a conversation about confidence that I think is very relevant. You kind of talk to Violet about, like, I think you kind of mentioned to her the reason you're doing good is because you're so confident. I mean, Violet is confident. 21 years old on Drag Race. Unflinching.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. It was a confidence that definitely bordered on arrogance.

[Trixie Mattel]

But what an asset.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Of course, in a cutthroat competition, would you rather be mousy and unsure of yourself or a little bit arrogant and very confident?

[Trixie Mattel]

Bob won Drag Race wearing makeup like he was Wilson from Castaway.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. With a $3Amazon bodysuit.

[Trixie Mattel]

But he was hilarious and confident, and he.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, we were talking about it when he was on the bodyslake. He said, I'm gonna go in that show and win.

[Trixie Mattel]

And he did.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

He did. He knew he was gonna win because he was confident in his ability, which I think is not delusional.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, it's. It's. It's. I wish I had that Drag Race.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know that episode where he. I'm not to. I'll get back to seven. But, like, that episode, the acting challenge, where he comes out, takes the fur off, and is like, ah, in the bodysuit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah, that's.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

He won.

[Trixie Mattel]

Amazing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's when he won the show probably.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wasn'T even written in, huh?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Right. It's like she just did that. That's the per. It's like, oh, that's the winner. Come on.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. They're. They're there because they know the point of the show is to be incredible and to have an entertaining show not to worry about. That's not the point of the show.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right. It's just the. It's the confidence, and she's very confident. Our guest judge is Santino Rice. I've never met Santana Rice. Do you have any first impression or memory of him?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. I mean, the only. The only. The only.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, you guys did a walkthrough, right?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Didn't he do a walkthrough in the workroom?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

He did.

[Trixie Mattel]

You were there.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't remember that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Maybe you'd already given up.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. So I had a panic attack. I had a panic attack in the workroom, which, thank God, they did not. You know, the producer that was talking to me outside was so, so supportive, such a wonderful person. And. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I remember Pearl, my story producer was Gayle King.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Mine was Oprah Winfrey.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's so crazy.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My name was Mayim Bialik, and she was breastfeeding her teenager.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've never met Santino Rice, and I kind of forgot that he was on Drag Race for all those years.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Because I never really cared for him. Certainly didn't care for him in this episode. Well, no. I mean, every I looked, it was.

[Trixie Mattel]

A Project Runway star. Right. I'd never really seen Project Runway star. Wasn't he a breakout star from that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. He did not win it, though.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did he?

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh. I wonder if Mr. Christian Siriano's ever guessed it on Drag Race. Yeah, he'd probably be great at critique.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm sure he has. I'm sure he has. I love him.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Beautiful dresses, beautiful dresses, gorgeous gowns.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The. The. At this point in. In. In the competition, you know what's funny? When they unveiled. Before they unveiled hello Kitty, do you know who I thought it was going to come out? Katy Perry. Oh, I was convinced Katy Perry was going to come down those stairs. Convince.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just had an A memory unlock the day before when I was eliminated. If you've been eliminated, which you have, they take you in a room and they give you the spiel of, like, you know, you did a great job. It's going to be a great season. You guys are a great cast. You know, don't think. Don't worry about losing. The audience doesn't care. They gave me, like, a spiel of, like, it's gonna be great. Don't worry about it. But I remember walking to go get out of drag, and I walked by an open, like, storage area, and it was, like, ceiling to floor stocked with hello Kitty merchandise. And I remember being like, I wonder if that's for the next challenge. What's it gonna be about? And then a year later, when I watched it, I was so jealous.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

That you guys got to do this hello Kitty shit. And I would have loved to meet hello Kitty.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. I didn't care for her that much.

[Trixie Mattel]

She doesn't talk.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's true. Yeah. It was like, I. I hated that challenge. You did oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

It showed.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. I mean, I. I like. Well, it's so. First of all, I was so deliriously having, like, unraveling, having a meant to be, as evidenced by my outfit in the styling, because I was gone.

[Trixie Mattel]

You're rock.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. Without. I felt like if the best. I felt like Sandra Bullock in space with no oxygen.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what I mean?

[Trixie Mattel]

The best structure between here went home. What is this competition really about?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's garbage.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Um, and, I mean, it's not fun. It's depressing. I was like. Pearl was like, why don't you just make some little. Like, Pearl's actually trying to help me. She was like, why don't you just make some little Russian. I don't forget what the fuck she said. But I was like, what do you mean? Like, out of what, Pearl? Out of what on that table?

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, RuPaul sets up the challenge first.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And RuPaul says, this is hello Kitty. You guys need to create, like, a fun kitty girl look using hello Kitty shit.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hello Kitty ball.

[Trixie Mattel]

I didn't get a good look. Was there a lot of fabric? Was there a lot of fabric?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. So there was the fabric wall from Fabric Fab. Fab Fabric Planet.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sheer rips instantly, girl.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The. The nastiest see through nylon, spandex, sweatshop crap. Total crap with the shitty sweating sewing machines. Hate those singers and then a table of junk.

[Trixie Mattel]

If you're ever to drag race again, you should bring your own sewing machine.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I would. I just. Maybe I just got a. A juki cover stitch. I got my little. What's that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Cover stitch.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Cover stitch is.

[Trixie Mattel]

This is just gonna touch my.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This is the edges of this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I see.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

See this? That's a cover stitch.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, how nice.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, baby.

[Trixie Mattel]

So instead of having to go in and hem it, it just does it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It is. It finishes all the edges. Yeah. Like, professionally. Like, you can make T shirts with that. Oh, yeah. Oh, baby.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can't wait to see what little yuckies you turn out.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, you'll never see these. Too erotic. Okay, so the. The challenge that does matter.

[Trixie Mattel]

She. You guys, she makes, like, mostly her own clothes, and we do sit on camera, and so the edges do matter. Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And also I.

[Trixie Mattel]

The drag race. Fuck the edges. If they tell you about the edges, do this.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Eat my.

[Trixie Mattel]

Truly do this.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. But in real life, we'll just slurp on my hole. Yeah. The.

[Trixie Mattel]

The put a boba straw up to my asshole and taste something from my large intestine. Diva.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Tapioca.

[Trixie Mattel]

Pearls, baby.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because, like, when I do this and there's an HD camera and you see the. The. The. No. You know what I mean? It makes a difference. Anyways, the. There were two challenges. It was a ball. A relatively easy ball with drag race standards, I would say relatively easy ball from this table of hello Kitty crap. Make an outfit, and then also you get this head. Hello Kitty head. You make a hello Kitty character who has a backstory, then you record a voiceover, and then you present the. The character, and then you present your outfit on the Runway.

[Trixie Mattel]

But they didn't say the character at first. So first you guys are working on your outfits. Oh, and then RuPaul goes, by the way.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And then RuPaul brings in all these mascot heads, and you guys are like, now what?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Now what?

[Trixie Mattel]

Which, ironically, skipping ahead. It was. The better part of your challenge was the character.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was the only good part of my challenge.

[Trixie Mattel]

How did you come up with it?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I brought the dress from home. Thank you very much. I love. I love that multicolor houndstooth fabric. Love it so much. I wore the shit out of that Ish. I made it into a dress. And then I just thought, how funny would it be if it was, like, if she was communist rather than capitalist?

[Trixie Mattel]

I. Well, you're skipping over a lot. The teeth.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah. I mean, like, how'd you come up.

[Trixie Mattel]

With the tiny yellow teeth?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The Soviet Union.

[Trixie Mattel]

And they have yellow teeth sometimes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, I just wanted her to be, like, a smoker. She had a cigarette too.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can. I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They didn't like her. They didn't like it. They didn't like it.

[Trixie Mattel]

The judges?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, the hello Kitty people.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They thought I was making a mockery of their precious product.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, I don't think so, because they give Kelly. Hello, Kelly. Hitty.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hello, Hitty.

[Trixie Mattel]

Hello, Hitty. They give her an option to say, would you be friends with. And she says no to Pearl, the slutty one. She says no to yours. I think she says yes to the cow. So at least they're giving the character an opportunity to distance themselves from the creation of the thing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I hated all the other characters.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think pearls was fun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which.

[Trixie Mattel]

Pearls was bra and panties with a fur coat with, like, a hair flip. Pearls was smile.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Pearls was fun.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she's like, hair flipping the cow. I didn't care for who was the cow. I think Ginger made a cow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What was violets was.

[Trixie Mattel]

Violet's was cute. It was a little beret.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That episode experience recording that little thing at the end of the Day in the little booth was the only fun. That was the only saving grace. I was truly having a minti be. It was not fun.

[Trixie Mattel]

At what point did this meant. Did this freak out start and why?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It started when we grabbed the materials from the table and I just like. I was so when I'm making something, I need to think about stuff. I'm not good in a rush. I'm not good in a pinch. I don't work well under pressure when I'm on camera.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what I mean? Like if I'm procrastinating, that's a different thing. I'm in my own house. But like I want to google stuff. I want to look up Marc Jacobs 1996. You know what I mean? I want to look at references. I want to like do some research.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You don't have access to any of that stuff. And I don't have a library of fashion in my head. Also. None of the shit to me seemed like usable. I was like, this wasn't a lot of toys.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was like toys and baubles, pillows.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Crap. Yeah, crap. And I'm not actually that I'm not a really creative. Fashion wise, I'm not a creative person like that. You know, I make three outfits, so. And I just wanted to go home. You know, I hadn't been to a meeting in six weeks that was like very difficult not to like boo hoo myself. But at that point I was like an hour. An hour sober out, a year and a half sober for the first time. So that was tough. And I was like unraveling and so.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because watching it like I had a.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Panic attack and ugly cried outside.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was watching with people who'd never seen it and their reaction was. Is she giving up? They said that early in the episode. Was she giving up?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Their perception was you just are kind of choosing to not fight at this point.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

100 accepting death. Laying down on a 6 inch puddle and wanting to drown. Because you were actively probably the best sower there. Which is confusing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The irony is that I took a. A relatively non stretched felt fabric and made a skin tight catsuit out of it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Because it's. I know how to make a cat suit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And the point is that the garment did not look good, but the garment fit perfectly.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think. I honestly think the garment. I have a bigger issue with the hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh no, no, no, no. That's where. That's where the real.

[Trixie Mattel]

If you had the right hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's where the real cuckoo stuff. That's. That's like, oh, she's, she's jumped off. She jumped out the window.

[Trixie Mattel]

Cunty, like updo with like a, A boa, an organza boa. I actually think that look could have been fine. I don't know what, let's get to the looks because the meat of it is the character runways, which is fine. It's like a warm up for the real Runway. And you guys have no performing challenge. You just did puppets. There's no real performing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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[Trixie Mattel]

I just the the rose and the thorn. I actually think Ginger pulled it out for her skill set. Sure. That was the best thing she's probably ever made on Drag Race.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think she just took a course and glued to it, which is.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She looked fine.

[Trixie Mattel]

Valid.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, Kenny looked a mess.

[Trixie Mattel]

What was with Kennedy? She can't sew the mask.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She can't sew and she can't hurt Taste level with that kind of stuff was like she didn't have a mendy.

[Trixie Mattel]

B, but she just is not the mask.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's crazy. She's glued.

[Trixie Mattel]

Hello kitties. And put the bows.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Glued the bows she loves to glue to her face. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, that Was a tough look.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I thought Ginger did a pretty good job. Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I thought pearls was so cute. It's so adorable. I thought it was so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think this is her worst look of the season.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, yeah, I mean, it's not going to get Fashion Week recognition, but it's like she. Will she wiggle down in a little too.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like a little fitter?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, that's true.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, it's a tube. It's so funny, though, I guess.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, Violet literally took. She. She opened her butt cheeks, girl. She sprayed the whole studio, Mary. It took six weeks.

[Trixie Mattel]

All you little.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I actually think they had to burn that studio down because there was so much as blown in that studio from her hole. She.

[Trixie Mattel]

And by the way, confidence her just going, I have an idea. I'm going to make a head cage. Oh, let's go mod with it. I mean, she fudgeing. Made a boostie. I think she went.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She had like, okay, do, do, do. Here we go.

[Trixie Mattel]

And the fur on the waist like that. Shit. I remember watching it. I was doing a viewing party in DC. What's that place in DC? Not town, the other one. Engine 10 something. It's upstairs. I remember being in a bar watching this.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I know what you're talking about.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she came out and I was like, yeah. And I remember calling her and going, you're gonna win. That was amazing. That was amazing. That was amazing. It truly was amazing. That was before I had really thought that Ginger might not win. So that was my turning point where I go, violet, I think might really deserve this. That was my turning point where I was like, I love Ginger. I think you should win. So then it's the lip sync. Were you surprised to be in the bottom?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Does the bear shit in the woods?

[Trixie Mattel]

I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Is the Pope Catholic?

[Trixie Mattel]

I think.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do I have a diaper?

[Trixie Mattel]

You think your outfit was worse than pearls.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Are you not? It's the styling. The styling is.

[Trixie Mattel]

The hair was really fucked.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why did you do that? And the pearls. Why did you do that, Mary? Why does a crazy woman. Why did that woman sashay with her own shit in downtown when we had it at that restaurant? We don't ask why, Mr.

[Trixie Mattel]

The Final.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

When.

[Trixie Mattel]

We need to talk about that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a lovely, expensive dinner to celebrate season seven.

[Trixie Mattel]

When we were down. Reunion.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

So she and I had. She. She and I had become friends on the phone after the season. We barely talked on Drag Race, we become friends. And so then when we go to film the finale, she and I are hanging out. Maybe for the first time.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Had a lovely splurge on a dinner.

[Trixie Mattel]

Fancy, fancy dinner. And she and I are just still in awe that anything has happened. We're still in awe that we get to do Drag Race. We had done the. Remember being in awe of touring with Lady Bunny?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember doing the premiere parties with Lady Bunny and being like, I can't believe that's her. Like, you know? And now I'm in awe in a different way, you know? But she and I are downtown la, and we're walking from dinner, and we see this woman, and she has a kind of. A. Kind of a Dorothy Hamill cropped hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, she had. She had long hair.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, she didn't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She did.

[Trixie Mattel]

Maybe she did. She had long brown hair, wearing a bedsheet bathrobe. Bathrobe open. Completely covered in feces.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no tie on. It was open. Sashay Shantay on the Runway, walking, like, literally, like Naomi Campbell.

[Trixie Mattel]

Naomi Campbell walking covered in fecal matter.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And not the brand fecal matter. Actual breasts.

[Trixie Mattel]

She had gone shitty breasts and, like, sunblock.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

With the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was like mud mask, but with.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I. I'm in shock.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We're like.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm like, no, I remember you going, oh, work, work, work, work, work, work.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She was, work it, own it. Work.

[Trixie Mattel]

So she was going, oh, work. Oh, my God. Work, work. Because she lifts this shit. I was like. I still remember it like it was yesterday. She was walking like, y' all faggots can't touch me.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She was. She. The shoulders, she was cutting. She was twist. I mean, she moving.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Hitting. It was like Poo Lander very, like, Mayhem Miller eyes. Like. And it just goes to show you, it's. You know, you wear it well. Like, it's really about Anesthes thing as possible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She could sell diarrhea to a man with white gloves on. Confidence, which Confidence. Which.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think your outfit, other than a calculator on the chest, whatever. If you had different hair and different styling and you did not present it like it sucked, I don't necessarily think you would have been in the bottom. You were broadcasting Send me Home now.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And I. I think. Well, I mean.

[Trixie Mattel]

Asking for death.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. Because I. And I. Well, I didn't air this, but I told RuPaul to send me home.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not a great strategy to win.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I didn't want to win.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I didn't want to win on the main stage. When after Santino literally ripped me a new asshole, I was like, all right, you don't know who I am. Get the out of here. Nice to meet you.

[Trixie Mattel]

At this age, you're like, I have a full head of hair. Don't talk to me. You know?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

How old were you? Under 33?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

32. And, yeah, I was like, I. I was just. I knew that he was gonna read me. Read me. Remains like, whatever.

[Kennedy Davenport]

Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then. But then I. I was so naive, and I was like, so, like, I was, like, legitimately struggling. So I. And I. I made a comment that I didn't realize. I think ethically. Ethically, they cannot use this. But I said, like, I'm. I'm freaking out. I haven't been to a meeting. I. I'm, like, really struggling. So it's like, basically, I was like.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, they edited that to RuPaul going, you know.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, but like, Raven Simone, they just did that over it, you know? Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But it was like. And I felt. I was like, oh, God, I'm so embarrassed. Like, no media literacy or training. You know what I mean?

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, I don't think you have to be embarrassed. No, no, no, no. It is at the end of the day, reality TV and your obligation as, like, a cast participant is to operate from a place of honesty. I don't think that's ever. I don't think an audience will ever read that as bad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I mean, I couldn't. To a fault. I couldn't. I couldn't fake it, girl. I couldn't fake anything.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know. There. I know there's rules about not talking about the program. You've told me about that before, so maybe that's bad. Maybe that's why I didn't air it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. After I said it, I was like, oh, gosh. I actually called or I got in touch with one of the producers, and Ru would. Because Rue is in the program, she would never put that, you know, as an executive producer. She would never let that go, I don't think. And I. And I begged them as, like, listen, this is a huge tradition violation for this program. I'm not a representative of aa. Please do not include this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know, and they were happy to oblige that. But when. Girl, when we. After we did that lip sync and I in the.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, why are you going to go to. After the lip sync sink, the way you're trying to. You off the band aid, and I'm not doing that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So we're in deliberation. We're in the. The. The. The untucked.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was five of you left at this point. 5.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just Think it's interesting, cuz, I mean, you truly. You truly. The challenge before top four being a sewing challenge, this really was about your choice to go home. You could have iced all those. I really think you could have. You're in the right mindset. You could have tore those hoes up.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But I wasn't, though. I wasn't in the right mindset. Are you now? I was. I was exhausted.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right. And now you're well rested.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I mean, like, do you think.

[Trixie Mattel]

You, at this age, would have reacted the same way?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you think at this age I would have agreed to go on Drag.

[Trixie Mattel]

Race if it was your first time, if you were still doing drag and they asked you to do it, I think you might.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, I don't have the. I don't. No. Because I wouldn't have anywhere near the budget. The, the, the.

[Trixie Mattel]

Also, if, If Tempest is old at 46.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know.

[Trixie Mattel]

You would have been 40.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Been Mrs. Kasha Davis. Love. Yeah, I, I. No, I couldn't do it. But anyways, when we're in the. Before. We're. Before the lip sync's happening, of course I am listening to the, to the Roar song on the way back to the hotel all, like, over and over and over, because I know it's going to happen. Kennedy, it was, like, so funny. I was like, Kennedy, I was like, well, girl, just maybe don't chop all my limbs off when we're out there.

[Trixie Mattel]

Leave me my shirt of dignity, please. Leave me my hairpiece. You know, like, just put my head.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

On the table, facing out to the camera.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right? Just say, give this letter to my mother. Like, you're going to die in the war.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Yeah. Exile is a. Give them the. Give them the dignity of exile.

[Trixie Mattel]

To whom it may concern. I have a bunch of money buried in rural Massachusetts. Here's where to find it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

So dying in our sleep is.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Is a luxury that our kind are rarely afforded. My gift to you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did you. So when the top bottom two was announced, you knew. And Violet winning. We all knew. Dot com.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So I did not know. I, I. Up until the very. Up until the, the very finale in New York, I was convinced she was gonna.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, I'm talking about the hello Kitty Ball. Oh, Mary. It was like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was. She was on another show. Ate it. It was gorge. It was incredible.

[Trixie Mattel]

Makeup, the style, everything.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Air, creativity. Beautiful.

[Trixie Mattel]

She looks like she was hosting.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She looked like she was the. She looked like. Yeah, she. Exactly. She looked like she was on, like, a Galliano for hello Kitty Runway. It was wild.

[Trixie Mattel]

Literally, it was Maybe I'll just be her in that challenge for Halloween.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Good luck.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

At that weight.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know what happened to me the other day?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What?

[Trixie Mattel]

I ordered a dress from a designer and I've worn their size this many times, and it arrived and I was like, let me just try it on. I have this exact dress in pink and black, and it's from the same designer, so I know it'll fit, but let's just try it on. I didn't check the tag and they accidentally sent me a small. And so I was trying it on and I thought it was the same size all my other ones. So I'm trying it on and Fina's over. You know, Fina's now a toxic skinny person. So Fina is basically like, well, Bertha.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You'Re not that far now. No.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was like, should we just e6000 this to your wide back? Like, she was just like, you are. And I'm trying. And I put on a corset and it still won't zip. And I'm like, I have this dress in two other colors. Why is it not fitting? I know I've gained maybe 15 pounds. There's no way that this is what's happening.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Print another and then just tape it around the backside.

[Trixie Mattel]

And Fina's like, well, wow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So supportive.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wow. Fina's like, did I mention I have him having a personal trainer touch this? Like, oh, whatever. So then I take it off and the tag says small. And I felt so, like, gooped and gagged.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Vindicated, but.

[Trixie Mattel]

But relieved.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Trixie Mattel]

So I love the song Roar, but it's one of those songs that the hearse 99 times I heard it at Prides, whatever. I was like, oh, this song. And sometimes pop artists put out songs that I feel like are pandering.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh gosh, let's see. Happy birthday. Fourth of July.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, she does have every holiday and I did. Did I tell you I saw Katy Perry?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

I went to the the Perry Ball last month at Inglewood. Katy Perry sent me the free tickets her team. So I went. It was lovely. And I do love a lot of Katy Perry songs. I was Mary.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I can't. The fact that you have omitted this is like is flagrant.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm sorry.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's flagrantly abusive.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was a month ago. It was July 17th.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I went, I haven't seen you in three months. Months.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. I went to the show. I did leave about 3/4 through just cuz to get out of Anglewood and call. Call an Uber. You kind of just have to leave shows early. So I left a little early.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And also my favorite Kitty bear song is the one that got away and she's saying a house music version. So I was like, grab my purse I was pissed. I wanted to sit there and cry. Cuz she does versions of it with like where you know it's a ballad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I love that song.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so I was like, all right. So I left. But anyway, I love Roar, but only on like the hundredth listen. And by the time when we were on Drag Race, I was not at a stage where I loved that song. I wouldn't have wanted that song for lip sync. It's kind of a mid tempo.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It has. The only thing is it's got a crescendo.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And I don't like anything that earnest for lip sync. It might as well be like, this is me.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I felt corny boots.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was. I put on my thigh high corny boots and I had to do my little undignified wiggle.

[Trixie Mattel]

You should have done that thing that they do on Tik Tok now where it's like, I'm not a stranger to the dark. And they take the concealer and write like pig on their cheek. You should have done some like that. That would have been so fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Fat pig and there just.

[Trixie Mattel]

Just crying B like, yeah, this is me wovi. Whoa, girl.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

What if. How about this though? How about this alternative option? I know Kennedy's gonna slay. We all know that. She knows she's gonna slay. She's gonna pull some stunt. She's gonna jump off the stage while she's midair pulling focus. I'm mid squat. I have ripped the seam going down the butt of my catsuit and I am blowing ass on that stage. And the first back up slips, breaks her neck. I'm back in the competition, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

But before the fluid comes that five and a half pound stainless steel butt plug.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I got the eye of the tiger, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you know, else you could have got her. You could have had a little fishing pole. Fly fishing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Catch Kennedy on that wig. Rip that fall right off. I will say I remember Pearl telling me after the fact that you and Kennedy really ate it up and that live. It was a really great lip sync. I think I remember telling Pearl, Katya said she totally ate shit and was horrible and pro was. That is not fucking true. No, no. Was like. She was really good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was the best lip sync of the season.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, I think like I looking what I do, what I can appreciate about my little. I have a beautiful cartwheel, great extension and a lovely split.

[Trixie Mattel]

Your face looks great.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you can't fuck with that drag race lighting. I'm sorry. No, it's Great girls together.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love that song. I also don't always love when people get off the main stage in general.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. I thought it was, like, interesting because I was like. I thought it was, like, unnecessary. It was certainly cool.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Ballsy and kind of like. It was kind of macho.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, it's crazy that you lost the lip sync to Kennedy Davenport and I haven't.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Also. You did. You were Gladys with cutting that hair off.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know what about it? Kennedy, Easy. Next.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Easy loser.

[Trixie Mattel]

Whoa. It's funny that the only time I've ever won a lip sync was to one of the best lip syn.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's Drag Race.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Also, what was that song choice?

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, for All Stars. Well, maybe in the. If you guys liked this, I would love to do All Stars 2 and 3 sometime. But maybe we should space them out. We don't want people gooned out too hard because All Stars 2 would be really fun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wrecking Ball as a finale.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love that song and it does play.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The song is fabulous for a finale of a lip sync. Bring a book, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

Who I. I wasn't thrilled.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Nobody was.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember there being two options, and the other one was a hip hop song. I don't. You know, I wish it would have been, oh, gosh. But. But Wrecking Ball plays all the time. And I'm always like, this is my $100,000 song with.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

With no props, with no, like, support.

[Trixie Mattel]

They told me, what are you supposed to do? Well, they told us we could have $25 to use for production. A person. I swear to God.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You are kidding. 25 whole dollars?

[Trixie Mattel]

That's why Shangela had that big coat on. She had a pinata in there. She was gonna hit the pinata with a stick. I swear.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Break the bank for you gals on All Stars 3.

[Trixie Mattel]

25 whole serious. I remember them saying, you can use it however you want. And I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

However we want. We can't even buy lunch with $25.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nothing. I said, what do we do? Confetti. It was right after the rose petals thing. So I think they were like, is there a prop you might want?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They never seen Lip Sync Battle, a show that eats up the girls every single time.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, I should have done put the whole ball of yarn up the pussy and done the knitting. The pussy knitting.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's what I should have did.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Or the interior scroll. Carolee Schneen, when you bring your own table. Got the scroll. You just pull it out for sure.

[Trixie Mattel]

Abramovich, just sit at a table and cry for the talent show.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And then wipe your sweaty face every.

[Trixie Mattel]

Once in a while, love. So I actually think you were in the lip sync. There's this part where Kennedy does a split and you do a cartwheel split. I got the idea that was slay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And also, I like what I did. Really love that we. She. We each chose two different climax moments of the song.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Do you know what I mean? And I thought. I thought they both made sense.

[Trixie Mattel]

And Kennedy was in the split, doing this thing where she's bouncing on her split and throwing the hair. I actually really love that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. I don't love that.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I liked your cartwheel split.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. I.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did she get scared to go on the slippery stage?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. At that point, I was so loose.

[Trixie Mattel]

Ready to die.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes. Yeah. I was so warmed up, too. And I was. I mean, back then, I was very.

[Trixie Mattel]

Very flexible, you guys.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She used very flexible and very in shape. Like, very in shape. I hadn't been smoking since. Well, Ginger made me smoke again.

[Trixie Mattel]

But, like, forced you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Ginger is the X Program's worst nightmare.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Ginger said.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is that what she's not ex program. Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Have a voice note from Kennedy about. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's it. Let's do it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Kennedy and I are bonded for life. And we.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I had Thanksgiving at her house once. It was so lovely.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's. She's one of the best people. That is a good drag queen. Hi.

[Kennedy Davenport]

This is your favorite sister from season seven, Kennedy Davenport.

[Trixie Mattel]

Shut up. Hi, Ktia.

[Kennedy Davenport]

Hi, Trixie. I love you both. And I love this idea of rewatching and talking about season seven. It was a great season, and I'm so glad I got to experience it with both of you. Katya and I, I think we bonded during. During that season. And the best part of. Of season seven is Katie coming to. Coming up to me and saying, if I could lipstick. If I could sit in the audience and watch you lip sync this song by yourself, I would do it. I died. And I also like the fact that. I like the fact that Trixie got the opportunity to come back and fight for the crown. No shade. It's the truth.

[Trixie Mattel]

But.

[Kennedy Davenport]

But I'm glad that we had the opportunity to experience season seven together. We are the divas of season seven, honey. And can't nobody take that away from us.

[Trixie Mattel]

Is she in a food court?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I love y'. All.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you hear all that talking?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's. Oh, I was like, she's in Chipotle.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's in the middle of a keynote speech.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She.

[Trixie Mattel]

At a voice conference.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I would Read an audiobook from her.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Very soothing.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, I remember you and her being close during season seven. She and I got real close during All Stars, but we. I guess I had no friends in season seven. I would, you know.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, you didn't, you antisocial bitch.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, girl.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I fixed the zipper on her chicken costume. Well, I restored. I re.

[Trixie Mattel]

Completely fix it. You were giving her something else to wear.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was like the whole time.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm like, the way I would buy a Beanie Baby of that outfit. Like, Kennedy should do a plush of that. Like a labubu of that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Look, a Halloween costume.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, are you kidding me? Right between like, slutting after a night.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Of hooking like Chris. And then you could do it. Crystallized mask.

[Trixie Mattel]

You should do it for Halloween. You should make it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm going to. I will have it mass produced in Gwangju and then I'll send her a check every once in a while.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or a dog costume. Like a Halloween dog costume.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Dog for what?

[Trixie Mattel]

Like a dog Halloween costume of that outfit.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, an animal costume. Okay. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Oh, 100%. Although that's animal abuse.

[Trixie Mattel]

It is. Oh. Oh. In p. Town, there was two people sitting outside in front of town hall, and they were. They had a QR code and like, you could interact with them for money or whatever. And there was to take a picture with the drag dog, and there was a dog sitting there with the wig on. It's pretty fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't like it.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's pretty fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Although I love the guy with. At the. At the halftime basketball show with the Chihuahua.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wait, we didn't talk about the. The couple getting caught cheating either. At the Coldplay concert.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Gay.

[Trixie Mattel]

This is like, so old news now because we haven't filmed in a month. No. A guy and a girl. Straight people.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Doesn't that happen all the time?

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, they were. They got put on the kiss cam and they're both married to other people.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why would you.

[Trixie Mattel]

But they were like, holding, canoodling. And then the camera happened and one of them ducked out and the guy left his job. He got. He had to leave, which. I don't know. Cheating doesn't make you a bad CEO. I don't know if that's fair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It does not.

[Trixie Mattel]

But cheating for straight people, it is the. It's the fiery squad.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There's genocide, there's homicide, then there's cheating.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, sorry. It's the opposite.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. It's like. I don't know. I. I hate those kiss cams. I would Go in a beagle puss outfit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, you know the, the nose and the beagle puss.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know about that? It's the, it's the, the little. The Groucho Marx kind of disguise kit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah. Oh, do you know at some of these, like hockey games and stuff, they do like celebrity doppelganger cams. So they'll zoom in on like they.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Really open these audiences business, huh?

[Trixie Mattel]

I hate that bald. They might zoom in and be like, this is Moby.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I hate that.

[Trixie Mattel]

And what if you get someone awful?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Which I'm sure I would get. Like, this is a late in life AIDS patient.

[Trixie Mattel]

But that's not celebrity. It's not like what affliction. You look like you have. This person looks. Fetal alcohol. No, it's this celebrity.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This celebrity looks like they're dying. Oh, I see what you mean.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They don't, they don't just read you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, this girl looks like Gabrielle Union with a lipoma. Like, no, they don't do. They don't do it. A disease.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't like that though.

[Trixie Mattel]

So you get eliminated. Do you remember what you said to RuPaul or to the group when you left? Oh, right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was like a thing.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was a. I remember that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. So this is a whimpering from. From jocks Emily.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And shout out to the top four. They do. It's a good top four.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

They deserve it. And let me tell you something. I thanked my lucky stars because not only was I ready to go home, I was so glad that I did not have to take part in the rest of the season, which to me seemed extraordinarily stressful.

[Trixie Mattel]

Going the whole year not knowing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no, no, no. The finale, creating show stopping last looks, rehearsing numbers, being bullied online for not deserving your spot in the top three or four or whatever. Not knowing that you made the top three until like a week before.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Hold up.

[Trixie Mattel]

By the way, I just saw Thirsty Burlington. She looked gorgeous. Of course, she had her long dark hair. She can My DJ gig and she goes, wait a minute. Love that shit. So can we do a little bit? Katya and I are. Let's. Can we skip the finale? Is that horrible?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Okay, so it's born naked. They do this girl. I don't even remember what happens.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, no, let's just skip that whole thing. Who cares?

[Trixie Mattel]

We're doing this season from our point of view. I don't remember what happened.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't either. But I'm talking about. Is the Actual live finale.

[Trixie Mattel]

But what happens during Born Naked? They do that song Born Naked. Is it just a music video challenge?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, and then they have, like, I think, a best drag final. I deserve to win speech. Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So we can go down those looks. Violet goes a very unconventional route. She wears, like, a top hat and pants. Very.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I remember that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And. And I think that her, from a point. From a. A collective, like, all considered point of view, like, as like, a collection of looks. The whole season. It made sense. I didn't care for it, personally, in and of itself, but I felt like there was logic there that I understood. It was an interesting choice.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember loving Pearl's look. That, like, it's like a. It's like, I think a nude bustier with the big hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Another nude.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, gorgeous. I love that huge hair.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Beautiful.

[Trixie Mattel]

She looked awesome.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Looked lovely in that white.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yep.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She really did.

[Trixie Mattel]

And Kennedy, I believe, did, like, a true, like, pageant special at the end.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She in a rainbow something.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, she was in that rainbow dress.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Everybody looked great.

[Trixie Mattel]

They did. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually. I think rainbow's hard to do. I actually don't mind that. I mean, it's a Pride number dress.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it was certainly well done. And it was. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

So then we go to the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I love Ginger's look. I really thought. I mean, at this point, I really did still think she was gonna win.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I had moved on to Violet. I had started thinking Violet was gonna win. But by the way, since we talked last, Ginger Minj won Drag Race. Give it up for that ho. She won $200,000. Fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

200. They need to bring it up to five, because she probably spent 200 grand getting there.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Anyways, good. Congratulations.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, she's. She's been. She. It's her year. Like, she had. She had tried to get it a lot of times.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

How many. Wait, how was. Which go around was this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, she did seven All Stars. Then I think she did another All Stars, and this is her second All Stars.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Third.

[Trixie Mattel]

Third All Stars.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Then she did Canada versus Mexico. Mexico versus Laos. Laos versus Ukraine.

[Trixie Mattel]

She did Uranus versus Connecticut.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She did the 110 versus the 405.

[Trixie Mattel]

She did North Hollywood versus Van Nuys. RuPaul's Drag Race, Santa Monica versus versus Huntington Beach.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

God, I remember very quickly. I will never forget the day I got the call to do Canada versus the World, and I was like, what.

[Trixie Mattel]

Does Canada ever do to anyone?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Rank call.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The most. Like Switzerland versus Lichtenstein.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Kind of strange. Anyways, so should we just skip to the finale? I remember coming to film it. How did you figure out what you were going to wear?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I had my friend Ray make a really cool. I thought it was cool. A jumpsuit, a cape that was kind of like Twin Peaks inspired, like the Black Lodge. And I thought it was cool. I had another hair choice, but at the very last second, like I always do, I just threw on the old Gaga girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know what I mean? And I remember filming that. I had a blast. Such a fun time filming that live.

[Trixie Mattel]

I did, too.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Fun.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I got to tell. I think I told her I wanted her pee in my mouth or something like that.

[Trixie Mattel]

You did.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then we met Miley Cyrus.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. Oh, my God. This is like ERAS tour. Miley. It was like tongue out. Miley.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And then.

[Trixie Mattel]

And then what?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Flew to Australia. I think we all know what happened then.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I got kicked out of Australia the next week.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Next day.

[Trixie Mattel]

Next day.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. But. But before that, what? In the. The party in New York for the. The crowning. I'll never forget because that's when the girls debuted their music videos. The live. Live. Live.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Now, this was the real legendary event.

[Trixie Mattel]

You're glossing ahead too much.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no, no, no, no. Do you remember in New York and Voss.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. It's called, like, Studio 56 or something. Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So, girl, maybe when the lights went.

[Trixie Mattel]

Out in studio, if we're going to talk about that, I'm going to freak out.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I. I knew the winner was Violet. When the music video came up.

[Trixie Mattel]

The music video was amazing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

When. When Betty came up.

[Trixie Mattel]

When Betty was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I had full body chills. I was like. I was. I know. I'm not joking. I was like. I was like, Violet.

[Trixie Mattel]

Betty was fucking.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I literally had. Produced by Tommy Lee. I literally had full body chills. I was like. I was like, this is.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's horny.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's.

[Trixie Mattel]

Don't worry, darling. It's. Oh, it's so good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And it's still kind. It's kind.

[Trixie Mattel]

Ready. And it's like industrial club trap music. Fucking fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And every. It was just kind.

[Trixie Mattel]

Pearls in it in the latex, like maid uniform hunt.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So fucking kind. And then pearls was fine. Ginger's was really floppy. It was just a bunch of people in T shirts. And then so I was like, okay, Violet's got the crown.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. So there's the crowning event, which is basically the viewing party for the finale, right? Pretty much, yeah. And the top six performs. And I had just technically been top six because of fame, so it really should have been her, because I came back.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't think we wanted.

[Trixie Mattel]

She lived in New York. Okay. Like, she's everybody. But I remember Violet was getting crowned, right? And hosted by Bianca.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Violet was getting crowned on stage. And then she did a number where she got in that. I think it's Ariel's, but it's a loop. Illyria, Lyra. Lyra. She gets on that, and she's up in the air spinning. I had already gotten out of drag, and I was in the back of the hall with a card table selling T shirts with my face on it while she was up on the loop making bank. And I remember people. Can I say, people used to make fun of me on season seven. They'd be like, you're the merch queen, girl. You're always just. You always got to sell your shit. It's like. And I always will. Yeah, okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, sorry. I live in a mansion, and RuPaul stamped me the most richest drag queen in the world.

[Trixie Mattel]

But also, it just goes to show you, to me, it was like, I know we're all supposed to be queen. Boop. But I don't have an assistant or any help. And if there's fans of mine here.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm going to go set up this card table. And so I'm watching her up on the loop spinning while, like, swiping people's, like, cards.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You're doing your stripe payments. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're, like, buying the shirts for me. And I'm like, look, she won.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Stealing one more cash, right? But I mean, like, girl, there ain't no nonprofit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you. I remember people just being like, girl, you're like, you always got your merch. You always trying to sell something. I'm like, as we all should.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And you're wearing it, so shut up.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember at the time being like, what do you mean? Kasha Davis, you don't sell shot glasses, right? Well, to me, I was always just like. The opportunity for merchandising seemed to be like. To me, I felt like people were making fun of it. And I was like, why aren't any of you selling things with your face on it? Your fans want you to, and if you don't, someone else will. Somebody will draw a picture of you and put it on a mug and sell it. Why wouldn't you do it?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so the finale, I remember, it was just a long day. I remember getting to cry, talking to RuPaul and say thank you. I just was so grateful. Like, once you get over the Season being over, and it's really about the top three. Oh, wait. I remember being at rehearsal for the top. Remember being at rehearsal for the finale and they told Kennedy informally that she hadn't made the top three. Do you remember this?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I don't, girl. I don't. I don't think I was there.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, we were all there. We were all. Do you remember how we would walk in. Oh, it's Sasha Bell. And she would come out and walk. Cluck the cluck and the. It's so and so. Remember we would all come out and do, like, a walk in the beginning of the episode from the Valley? I remember we're all rehearsing it. Remember, RuPaul came and rehearsed Too real is what you feel or whatever. I forget what song she was doing.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This was the dress rehearsal.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. Paul was out of drag. Remember she walked in and said, hi, horse.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes, they do.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay, so I remember they just came up and informally told Kennedy, like, hey, the, the, the numbers are in whatever. You are our lovely top four. And I remember feeling like sh. I remember feeling like she's older than me and she's a pageant queen. She's, she's lost more times than probably any of us. Just that's what it takes to be a pageant queen. But I remember feeling bad and feeling like I wanted to bring it up and say, like, good job. But feeling like I don't want to overstep either.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Why? The timing.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just remember it this way. Maybe it didn't happen this way, but I remember this being told to her, like, the day of the rehearsal. Cruel that maybe I'm wrong.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That seems cool. Because didn't they have to prepare numbers?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes, but I don't remember. I mean, I wasn't privy to that, but I just remember finding that out.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I do know. I, I, if I, I, I believe I do remember that she was told. Not right away.

[Trixie Mattel]

No. I think she was told, like, like at the end, which is why she didn't do numbers at the end.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

If she, if she had. I should ask her if she had a costume and a number prepared if that was the case. That's cruel.

[Trixie Mattel]

Let's call her. Yeah, call Kennedy Davenport.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

See who she answers first. Calling Kennedy Davenport.

[Trixie Mattel]

Mobile.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That sounded. Yeah. Calling Kennedy Davenport.

[Trixie Mattel]

Some people. What's the tea?

[Kennedy Davenport]

What honor do I owe this phone call?

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, we're, we just listened to your voice note and we were. Oh, Katya's calling you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, can I join the call?

[Kennedy Davenport]

She is.

[Trixie Mattel]

Don't pick up.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. Can I join It.

[Trixie Mattel]

Can you hear her? Yeah, I can hear her. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can you hear me, Kennedy?

[Trixie Mattel]

Can you hear Katya?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No. She can. Oh, you can. Okay, so we're talking about the. The finale, and I hope this is not a sore subject. When. When did they inform you that. That you would not be a part of the top three?

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you remember?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So, wait, what is the timeline in terms of, like, the. The. The last episode in the. In the live show and everything?

[Kennedy Davenport]

No, no, no, no. When we left from filming.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Kennedy Davenport]

And we. You know, after we got done filming and we came home.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Kennedy Davenport]

It was like, maybe a week before we had to return.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That is. That is. Fuck. I'm sorry. That's fucked up.

[Trixie Mattel]

See, I. Kennedy, I remember. I thought you found out, like, the week before the finale or the week of. She just, like, the day of. Day before.

[Kennedy Davenport]

Y' all can tell. That's. I mean, I don't know if y' all remember, but I was really, like, in my feelings.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember it being, like, just before the finale. You found out, right?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I think that timing is cruel.

[Kennedy Davenport]

Yeah. That hurt like a. Because remember before. Before we left, they was like, oh, they was telling us what the four of us was gonna do.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's what I mean. I thought. I remembered you almost having to prepare your finale and then not doing it. Yeah, no, they.

[Kennedy Davenport]

They were saying they was telling us to get ready because we were going to have to do a. You know, a whole production and stuff, the top four of us. And then they just. Then they changed their minds.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Damn.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, I couldn't remember before we left.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Well, that sucks.

[Kennedy Davenport]

It does. That's why I tell. I tell the story every time. Only person that knew was Jasmine. And when the. When we went all on. When we all went on stage to rehearse, she was like, sister, if you want to tear this shit up right now, you can.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You should have torched the plays, Kennedy.

[Trixie Mattel]

I had this memory of us being for rehearsals for finale. I have this memory of us all finding out, like, at rehearsal. Because maybe you knew longer than us, but I thought you also had just found out.

[Kennedy Davenport]

No, I know. I knew. They told me not to say nothing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay, this makes more sense.

[Kennedy Davenport]

You know how they are.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Shady, horrible, gutted.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, girl, this season was so good. And you really ate. It's so good to re. Watch.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Thank you for the voice note.

[Kennedy Davenport]

Of course. I ain't heard from you in forever. I guess your number is still the same.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She got turned off the phone. I'm just kidding.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank You. I love you so much. And I'll talk to you soon, my dear.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Love you, Kennedy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Bye. Bye, girl.

[Kennedy Davenport]

I love y'.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

All. Bye Bye.

[Trixie Mattel]

A real picks up the phone.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Thank you.

[Trixie Mattel]

A real. She sounds like she's still at the airport. She moved in to the Dallas Fort Fort Worth.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That is. Yeah, that's a bummer. But I. Oh, so wait. Last thing, though.

[Trixie Mattel]

The truth is, though, they have to do the thing where audiences vote. Twitter has to go. Which one do you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Don't leave it up to them rotten, rotten crabs out there in Twitter.

[Trixie Mattel]

But doesn't Twitter pick the top three? That's why we do the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, they used to, like, hashtag team glow. And so I then actually went All Stars, too.

[Trixie Mattel]

No. Until Kennedy got the least votes or whatever.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The night the lights went out in New York City.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yes. Then, girl. Do you want to tell it? I don't want to tell it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

There's a legend. There is. Now gather round, children. There's a legend. And I. Whether it is.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did you know this story?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The veracity of this story is irrelevant. Okay. Like campfire tales.

[Trixie Mattel]

I feel like you're the little kid at the start of weapons being like, yeah, there's a story in our town.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

2:17Am actually, it probably was around that time. So, New York City, the live Voss event where we all perform and the. The winner is crowned live by Bianca Del Rio, which we just talked about.

[Trixie Mattel]

There's a red carpet event. Do you remember what you wore to the red carpet?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I do. I loved it. And I don't remember what it was.

[Trixie Mattel]

There's this picture of me, you and Bianca together. You and her are talking, and I'm in a Barbie rollerblading outfit.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah. That's when I first met our manager, and I thought he was terrifying. Terrifying the terrifier. And I got to chat with Bianca, who I love so much. And then. But yeah, I wore a black dress with a weird turban or something. The. Oh, gosh. The. She's out selling merch and she's slinging her wares. And it gets time to. To announce the winner. And what happens? The electricity in the building goes off. 3, 2, 1. The winner of RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 is. The Lights go out. Legend has it the huge check was Scooby Doo swapped in a flash and a name was scribbled out. And another one. The check was swapped and then another name was scribbled in. Violet Chachki received the check. The winning check.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've always wanted to receive One of those big checks like Happy Gilmore. Do you know what I mean?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. I don't think you. I don't think those are the checks you bring to the bank, though.

[Trixie Mattel]

I would. And also I would keep it. That'd be so fun to keep in your house.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Of course. Of course.

[Trixie Mattel]

A giant check like Publishers Clearinghouse.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's amazing. It's incredible.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do kids today know about those commercials where someone knocks on the door and just gives you a crazy check?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Girl, they don't know about checks. But that's not a joke.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, for real.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Gen Z can. They don't know how to check. They have to write. They have to write the. The. On that line. They have to spell out 140,000 and 0. 100.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I remember in Family Consumer Economics, which is what my high school called homec, we had to write fake checks and balance a fake checkbook. Great. And. But the teacher was like, I don't care what you guys make the expenses for. Have fun with it. In the memo, put whatever you want. And I remember Mariana, my partner in the class. Her check said, the memo said my nasty pussy. We were like high schoolers. I was like, holy shit, girl.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, how much was it, though?

[Trixie Mattel]

I remember. I remember 42 thinks they're being edgy, like, birth control, whatever. And she was like, my nasty pussy. This.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This.

[Trixie Mattel]

At a small school in Wisconsin.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

My tissues, my ass. My cook fears. Love that.

[Trixie Mattel]

But, you know, I guess now that we're done with seven, I really did love the season. And I will say, at the time, had the audience hating it so much. Was surprising to me. But rewatching has issues. The season of Drag Race has issues. It has entertainment value issues.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Of course it does. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it follows. It's following six, which is incredible.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I know.

[Trixie Mattel]

And after it is All Stars 2, which is incredible. And 8 is so good. Kim and Bob and Naomi's season is so good. I think.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

The only Runway with nine kimonos live for that.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, I know that. That is so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

Madonna, noted Asian artist, like, love.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Everybody literally thought the same, like, basic thing. I'm gonna be different and lazy.

[Trixie Mattel]

But, like, we get Bob in the Amazon bodysuit on the rollerblades. We get Bob in the Boy Scout uniform, you know?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, but the thing about season eight, it was boring for me because I knew he was gonna win.

[Trixie Mattel]

He was so good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It was so good. It was like, where's the tension? There was none.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, such a Kim, she, like, stand and still. Still am. I was rooting for that hotel last Second, I was.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was rooting for her to learn how to walk.

[Trixie Mattel]

She is, but she is so.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I mean, she looks so good on that, Naomi. I mean, Kim was, like, literally walking art every time.

[Trixie Mattel]

Every time on a budget. That was her first season of Drag Race.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And that's.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's the.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's the cunty part, because it's not the All Stars Rich Girls. This is, like, pure creativity.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, my hello Kitty look.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like your hello Kitty look.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

You know, I had no money. Just pure genius.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you have any main overarching? Like, I remember having this moment at the finale where I got to RuPaul did this thing to all of us where he goes, is there anything else you want to say? Basically. And RuPaul was really looking in my eyes, and I remember just saying thank you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And you almost cried.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was so important to me that I had one moment to just express gratitude. And I'm sure, for RuPaul, because of drag Race, she hears thank you from young, cross dressers constantly. And so it's just probably.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

But, I mean, I needed to say seven, though. It wasn't that. It wasn't. Like, there's been 25 seasons.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

This was still kind of early. I think she. Well, I know she still had a good time.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I just. To this day, rewatching it reminded me of, like, the. The gratitude.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I felt like, make a wish level. Like, well, not make a wish. I felt like I'd made a wish. Yeah. I felt so lucky to be involved and so grateful, and I just kept thinking, at what point do I get an opportunity to tell RuPaul this?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I feel the same way. I'll never forget. She says, you are a freak, and I freaking love you. And I inside, I, like, exploded.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like, I was like, okay, that's all I ever need to hear for the rest of my life.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I'm good. I'm a RuPaul Stan. I always will be. Drag Race made me more of a Stan. And the older I get and drag, the more longer I do drag, the more I am in awe of RuPaul doing it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

This long.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Every interaction with her has been very, very, very, very special with me. There have been very few of them. It's that and then her flipping me off from a restaurant with window.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you ever hear my lights out story with RuPaul?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Did she touch you?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. I was a guest on, like, season 11, I think, for a mini challenge in the car. No, no. Oh, yeah. That was also awesome jump scare. That was also awesome. Also, in the script, there was no slap. And RuPaul was like, can I slap her? And I was like, sure.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Can I slit her throat?

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, something about me. She was like, I'm gonna hit this, but I came in for some kind of mini challenge, and. And RuPaul and I were in the workroom alone, and she fingered. No, there was a. The lights went out in the studio. So it's.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That happened during hello Kitty, by the way.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, it did, yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

The air conditioning.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, fierce. So that happened to us on All Stars, too, but I was sitting. And you know when you're not competing on Drag Race, and it's the thing where RuPaul's using you for a walkthrough. Have you ever done that? Yeah, yeah. It's way more informal.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, it's fabulous.

[Trixie Mattel]

So RuPaul and I are sitting there in the dark, and they're waiting to fix it. She's in her suit, and I'm in my drag, and it was like, my dream, undiluted, one on, one time off camera.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she. She knows about us, but obviously isn't privy. Like, so privy. So she's asking about you and I. She's asking about music, she's asking about managers. Like, basically asking a working drag queen. I felt like, what's go. What is your career? Like, what are you doing? And I had this opportunity to sit in the dark and talk to her, which is very high intimacy, to just sit in the dark with RuPaul's voice in the dark workroom, chilling. Very chilling. Kind of like on the news when they say bye, and they just dim the studio lights.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. That's fucking pig shit. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I love that shit. Thank God for the studio, the lights going out, because it was very.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's special.

[Trixie Mattel]

Every Paul said, who owns your music? And I said, I do. And she said outright. I said, yeah. She said, that's really important. Counter that as much as you can. Like, you know, And I remember anytime you get somebody like RuPaul to give you real wisdom, you. You. You file it. You file it.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I. I sent her a flurry of tweaker tweets once, and. And she was dms. Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, good.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

On Twitter, because I guess she follows me on Twitter for some reason. And then I. She. I've told. I've told you this a million times. She's like, basically, it was like, I love you so much. I love you so much. And she's like, you're so welcome with now with love and respect. Get your ass to a meeting.

[Trixie Mattel]

This was after The All Stars 2 finale. Victim.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was high on weed.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why were you a burn victim? We'll get there.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I just thought it was cool. That's all there was. It wasn't any deep thing. Oh, I won Miss Congeniality. And Ben Delacrom can suck it because I got cash and she got some stupid gift certificates.

[Trixie Mattel]

She got an overstock.com gift certificate. And you got $5,000 cash.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Also, do you remember when RuPaul was about to announce the winner and called you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, my God, the Golden Girls fake out.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

So there. Oh, Jesus Christ. I can't. I'm sorry. I didn't rewatch this because everybody, I. So they were not prepared for the fan reaction for me. Like, they just. And I. Nobody was. It didn't make any sense.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm still not.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. I don't see. See it. You suck. No, but, like, they like the idea that Kazi was robbed. Was not on the table at all.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not in the room.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No, no. Gosh, no, no, no, no. But because I was used so much.

[Trixie Mattel]

Of a childhood, you know, like.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. Robbed of a challenge win. Or like, you know, I was. I used so much in the conventionals, whatever, that I was liked a lot. And it wasn't. Miss Congeniality was like. What do you call it when they're just like.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like a fan favorite.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's it. That's it. That's it there. Theron was like, hey, we want to do this gag. And I didn't know the reference, and I actually still don't.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't either.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

It's a Golden Girls reference, I suppose, I guess. And it's like a fake out. And I remember the audience going nuts and Violet being like, what the.

[Trixie Mattel]

And then she had her crossbow.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Oh, yeah, she was.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was ready.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She was like this.

[Trixie Mattel]

And if Violet has a crossbow, Ginger has a bomb.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. And girl has a flamethrower.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She's got a jet pack on. She's gonna. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nothing beats a jet to holiday. No, now you can say 50 pounds per person.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, that thing you sent me about different. The £6,000 of American versus UK.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's fierce. I thought of you for these fat pork watches. These pork is destroy their lives. Yeah, it's fierce.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait, wait, wait. So. So I go give her a glass of drink of water. It was very fun. I felt very honored. And then. That's it.

[Trixie Mattel]

I didn't even know about that gag. It Made me laugh. I got to show this to you. I keep getting Sylvia Brown and I have to show it to you, girl. She, by the way, wears your wigs.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

She sure does.

[Trixie Mattel]

I am surprised to see my father's brother disappeared about 20 something years ago. And the whole family has no idea whether he's alive or dead. He drowned.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

He drowned. Thank you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Wait. Sorry.

[Trixie Mattel]

By the way, unwilling to elaborate. Hey, drown.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

We gotta go.

[Trixie Mattel]

We gotta go.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Thank you all.

[Trixie Mattel]

So much else you want to say about Season 7 streaming on Paramount, Peacock or whatever. Did you have any over overarching thoughts about.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I was so mid. I was so mid. It's not even a question.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I'm. I'm a good. I think I'm talented, I think I'm interesting. But girl, she was. She was midi van driver.

[Trixie Mattel]

It just. The whole thing made me recall the fear.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't feel afraid to be on TV now.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

During season seven, I was scared all the time, all day.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

That's what I'm telling you. I think that I actually had. I felt at the end, I was like. My nervous system couldn't take it anymore.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Look, when we had to line up for the maxi challenge, I. I was like. I was. Every time I felt I was going to vomit. Every time.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

And I just. The only time I didn't was when John Waters, when they said ugliest dress was the category, I finally relaxed.

[Trixie Mattel]

The only time I understand why I.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Gotta put some more shampoo in my tick tock hair.

[Trixie Mattel]

All right.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, thank you guys for doing that. If you ever want us to do All Stars 2 and 3, I think we should.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I think we should. I think we should swap back and forth, though.

[Trixie Mattel]

What do you mean?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Like one episode All Stars 2, one episode All Stars 3.

[Trixie Mattel]

Go back and forth, you think?

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

I kind of want to. Because then. Because we weren't. We need to. I don't know.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's a lot to cover.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Yeah. But then you. I get to get like kind of be at the helm. Then you. We kind of switch off. That doesn't make sense to you. Maybe it doesn't make sense.

[Trixie Mattel]

We can do whatever we want. This isn't the pit stop. Joe Gerbino doesn't control me anymore. Okay.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

Okay. I hope you guys enjoyed this if you didn't off.

[Trixie Mattel]

All right. Bye. Bye.

[Katya Zamolodchikova]

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