For years, it feels like Catholics have been asked to choose a side.

Traditional or progressive.

Latin Mass or Novus Ordo.

Justice or truth.

Mercy or doctrine.

Evangelization or tradition.

But what if we've been asking the wrong question?

In this episode of The Catholic Couple, Bobby and Katie discuss why division has become one of the greatest challenges facing Catholics today and why the answer isn't picking another side—it's becoming a saint.

Drawing from Scripture, Church history, René Girard's scapegoat theory, the Catechism, and the "both/and" vision behind Bobby's upcoming book Guardians and Prophets, we explore how the devil often divides the Church not through outright lies, but through half-truths that pull Catholics away from the fullness of the faith.

We also discuss:

Why Catholic tribalism is growing
What René Girard teaches about scapegoating
The difference between Guardians and Prophets
What Catholics can learn from Protestants about discipleship and community
Why authentic relationships matter more than ever
Why we believe a real Catholic revival is happening
How the Eucharist holds everything together
Why the Mass is both the Sacrifice of Calvary and the Wedding Supper of the Lamb

If you've ever been discouraged by Catholic infighting or wondered how we can move forward together, this conversation is for you.

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💬 QUESTION OF THE DAY:
Have you experienced Catholic tribalism? What do you think is the biggest challenge facing the Church today? We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments.

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