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Americans SHOCKED After Flocking To Chinese Social Media Platform! w/ Danny Haiphong
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New users have piled in to Chinese social media app RedNote just days before a proposed U.S. ban on the popular social media app TikTok is scheduled to go into effect. The lesser-known RedNote is rushing to capitalize on the sudden influx while...
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Danny Haiphong
August light and so good luck.
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We can't afford fomenting this watch and see as his jack golf the medium.
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Speeds and jumps the medium and hit some head.
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Jimmy Dore
We have special guests with us, Danny Haiphong, an independent journalist, geopolitical analyst. He's the host of his YouTube Rumble show under his own name, Danny Haiphong. He covers developments in the struggle between us led unipolar world and the emerging multipolar world. He's a co author of American Exceptionalism and American Innocence of People's History of Fake News. Please welcome back to the show Danny Hyfong. Hey, Danny.
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Danny Haiphong
Hi, Jimmy. Good to be back with you.
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Jimmy Dore
Good to see you. Do we have no right? Yeah, no, no, no. So that's other. Okay, so we're going to jump right into this. So the great social media. So they're getting ready. They're banning TikTok, which I think is going to go into effect this Sunday. And so this is from CNN Business. The great social media migration, sudden influx of users. U.S. united States users. Red note that connects the Chinese and the Americans like never before. A Supreme Court justice ponder. As they ponder the future of TikTok, a growing number of American social media users have responded by moving to an unlikely alternative. How do you say that, Danny?
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Danny Haiphong
What? Oh, Little Red Book. Xiaohongshu.
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Jimmy Dore
Okay. Xiaohongshu, okay. That's a hugely popular social media app in China. The app, which means Little Red Book, often shortened by US users to RedNote, serves at the top the top 10 positions on Apple's US App Store. That happened on Tuesday. It was founded in 2013. It's one of China's biggest social media platforms with 300 million users. It's described as China's answer to Instagram. It's become especially popular for sharing tips on travel, makeup, fashion. It's surging in popularity worldwide the same week that TikTok is potentially going down. By the way, we're on there, the Jimmy Dore show. You can go, just go Jimmy Dore comedy and it'll come up. So we're on there because they kicked us off TikTok tok again. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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Co-Host
So you're allowed on the more Chinese one.
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Jimmy Dore
So that's the irony is that I, that's amazing. I'm allowed to go on the one that's actually Chinese social media app, but I'm not allowed on the TikTok one. OK, so here we go. So more than 700,000 new users have joined. Wednesday, the hashtag TikTok Refugee garnered 250 million views and 5.5.5 million comments. Many of the American users they had joined as an act of defiance against Washington's move on TikTok. Yeah, I did. This is so much better than TikTok. Somebody claimed Americans are coming here. So sorry, you'll hate us, but I promise we'll do our best. The sudden migration of US users to this red book has created an unlikely platform for Chinese and American users to interact with each other. That's the thing, right? Most Chinese users have warmly welcomed the newcomers with some even sharing video tutorials to help the new TikTok refugees navigate the app. So it looks like this could be a big historic moment. Users are finding creative ways to transcend language barriers, navigate cultural differences and coexist in fascinating ways. This community building happening in real time. So we've been fed a lot of propaganda, Danny, you know this. In the United States, we've been fed propaganda that says Chinese are all communists and evil and they don't, they don't respect rights or they, you know, so they're just like what I was taught as a kid about Russians, right? And they're saying it about Russians again, by the way. But so when people are finding out is that, oh my God, Chinese people are just like us. They have the same wants and needs and desires. They have the same if familiar needs. Also their lives are way better than we've been taught in the United States by our propaganda in our government. In fact. Here, let me play this quick video for you. This is looks like a Gen X guy and here's what he's going to say about what he found out by going on Redbook.
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Gen X Guy
Well, I gotta Tell you something, we have been fed so much bullshit. You really need to go and sign up for RedNote. Just go and peruse a site. It's mind blowing. The kindness, the generosity that the Chinese people are showing to the Americans who come on there, the way they're welcoming them, yes, they're asking them to follow the guidelines of their app, which is standard practice. But when you start looking at what you see on Red Note versus what the governments have been handing us for propaganda and bullshit, my God, man. I spent a couple hours just going through the site and really it's worth the time for you to just sign up, go onto the site and you don't even have to set up a full account to go and look. But like the amount of money that they have to spend on groceries, for example, is peanuts compared to what we pay here in Canada. And I'm sure the same in the U.S. it's like night and day. Their world there is so much better than the way they portray it. They're not a repressed people, they're intelligent. They're not what they try and tell us that they are. Evil. China, China, China. As Trump would say, go have a look. Seriously, you're going to get a rude awakening about the truth and the propaganda that we've been hand fed for years that China's our enemy. They're not our enemy. Our enemy are the people who sit in those fancy chairs and Congress and Senate politicians, the rich, the Mark Zuckerbergs of the world, the people who hand us bs. I have to say that I got an education in the last 24 hours just going through that site, watching various videos. Now it's not tick tock, it's more of a slightly different than TikTok, but it's good and it's unbelievable to see how many people will welcome you. Go have a look. Take care my friends. God bless. And let's put an end to the government's nonsense, both Canada, U.S. and around the world. China is not an evil place. China is not a place where they repress their citizens. And yeah, there's things they can't do and things they can't say, but they live a healthy and prosperous life there. It's different. Go see for yourself. Give me your feedback when you're done. I'm curious to know what you think. Take care my friends. All the best.
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Jimmy Dore
Now Danny, let me bring you in because you've been on this show before and there was always people in the comments saying that this guy's just a propagandist for, for, for China. So let me just give you a chance, go ahead and respond to that.
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Danny Haiphong
Sure. Well, I don't want to say it, but I will say it. I mean, I told you so to those who were questioning me. I mean, I've been to China four times in the last five years. Thing that people are saying on Redbook right now, Jimmy, is what people say to me when I've been in China, whether it's in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, the most propagandized region that the United States targets to try to label China, this human rights catastrophe, or whether it's Beijing and Shanghai, the biggest cities in China, they say the same things. They say that they are building their own system. They're building a system that works for them. And they are actually shocked, just like Chinese users on Xiaohengzhou are shocked when Americans tell them the things that they are going through about health care debt, about how much an ambulance costs, about how it's so difficult to buy a home, to even afford rent. This is shocking to them because they don't assume that the United States is going to be like this and they assume that what happens in China should be just ordinarily what happens in the United States because in China you can take a high speed rail train. We don't have that in the United States. In China, you're not going to go bankrupt. If you need an ambulance in China, if you want to take the subway, you're going to take a clean, a fast subway and it costs even the most expensive city in China and Shanghai, it's going to cost you $0.50 per trip no matter how far you go. So that is just, it's always been the reality. But the really striking thing about this, Jimmy, is that Xiaohengzhu has basically done what a lot of my work I've been attempting to do over the years has helped facilitate Americans knowledge and it's breaking through the propaganda barrier that the US Government has tried to impose on us in order to fuel a cold war against China. All because the United States wants to take away. All right, the government wants to take away our rights to use TikTok, which is a huge disaster for the United States, for the economy, for people's rights in China. The also the ironic thing, Jimmy, is that In China, the U.S. tikTok, what you can use in the U.S. and Europe and the west is not, you're not able to use that in China because they don't, they don't want that version of TikTok. They have doyin and they have xiaohengzhou. They have other alternatives that they regulate, that they use for themselves that are wildly popular. And. And they don't view TikTok as necessary for their people and their society. And so this is what's so ironic, is that TikTok is being banned in the United States and people are mass migrating to a Chinese app, the one that you can use a US Number for. And people in the United States are learning about China in the same way that I've learned about China by going there, by seeing it, by traveling from east to west, north to south, and seeing what people are doing there to build a better society, a more prosperous society, and one that respects international law, multipolarity, and peace. It has its own problems. It has its own contradictions. But China says that they're going to address those for themselves, and they're going to do that without U.S. interference. And that is really all you can ask for in this moment when the United States is going scorched earth all around the world.
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Jimmy Dore
So now if someone said, hey, what are the problems of the United States? I would say the unbelievable explosion of income inequality, the capture of governments by corporations and billionaires, the lack of actual democracy, the imposition of oligarchy, people's inability to access health care in a way that doesn't bankrupt them, people's inability to keep up with inflation, the high housing costs, the high costs of education. People are basically in debt and serfs now. And it's really. We have bigger income inequality since we got to go back to the times of the pharaohs. So there's a real. This, to me, is the situation that you would find when a revolution happens now. So those are the. That's what I would say. The problems in the United States, which are. They're huge, right? We still won't give people health care, and we see our infrastructure falling apart when a fire happens in Los Angeles, in a place that they have fires all the time and they're not ready for them. Took 45 minutes for a fire truck to get to the Pacific Palisades when that fire broke out. So what would you say is the problems? I mean, that's what Two parties, right? So we have two parties in America, but it's really one party. It's the oligarchy party, right? It's the money party. So we have the illusion of democracy, we have the illusion of choice, and we have the. The. The illusion of two parties. What would. So they only have one party in China. What would be the problems.
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Danny Haiphong
Hmm. Well, I'll just name three because I think it's, it's so interesting. Oftentimes when you say anything good about China, you're called an agent of the CPC that you never criticize China, but really you can just look at how the Chinese government talks about China instead. See that they also talk about problems even in the state media. And you can clearly. And when you go to China, people will talk about this. There are three critical problems that China is trying to address right now. One is corruption. There's a huge anti corruption campaign within the Communist Party of China right now. There have been thousands upon thousands of arrests of clamping down on those that have taken bribes, that have gotten rich, that have done bad by people in order to advance themselves wherever they are in China under the banner of the Party. So that is happening, and that has been very successful. But it continues to happen because it continues to be a problem that is something that is very difficult to completely eliminate. Number two, they also have income.
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Jimmy Dore
Can I just, Can I just see in America here that does. That almost never happens, right? You get Joe Biden giving people blanket pardons. You get Nancy Pelosi, who's obviously, obviously doing insider trading, and they pass laws that make that stuff legal. So you actually have more, you have less corruption, it seems, in China than you do in the United States. To me, just from an outsider, 100%.
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Danny Haiphong
The anti corruption campaign works, Jimmy. There have been so many bankers, so many party members, so many people that have violated the laws, the rules, the codes of what it means to follow the rule of law in China and to serve the people. Those folks have been brought to justice. Of course, there's still many out there still in China that they are trying to clamp down on, but it still has happened. And so when we get to this next problem, income inequality, China got really, really, really rich, really, really, really fast. And they did it by opening up their economy. That led to a certain level of inequality between those that benefited the most and those that benefited less. Everyone's standard of living. Just look at the graphs. Look at what the UN says about poverty alleviation. Look at the income graphs. You can see that everyone in China over the last 40 years has had their standard of living increase, but it has not been equal, of course. And so right now, China is trying to address common prosperity. They are trying to address the problem of what it means to have rich people that have more money, maybe more wealth than those who do not. And that is the second problem. The third problem of course, that many people know about is the environment. Massive industrialization, rapid industrialization led to pollution, smog and difficult living conditions in some of the biggest and most industrialized cities. That problem is quickly becoming one that is close to being solved because of China's massive investments. I mean, I know you're in California, Jimmy. I know they talk a lot about renewable energy. There's, you know, I'm on the east coast, you know, we're in the coastal parts of the United States. They talk a lot about renewable energy wit solar panels, windmills, those kind of things. In China, they invest so much in this to the point where 100% of the buses are electric, 70% of the cars are electric, 47,000 kilometers of high speed rail and pollution has reduced dramatically to the point where you have former diplomats like Eric Solheim, for example, who can go to China. Now. He's been traveling to China for decades. He says in 1990s he couldn't run in Beijing without a mask and without feeling like he was going to collapse from the pollution. Now the skies are blue and the air is much more clean to breathe because of this investment. So China has that problem still though, because they're still a massively industrializing country that uses a lot of coal. So these are the issues that China, just three of them, that China still is needing to address. But the difference, Jimmy, and I think this is what people are learning on Red Book, Little Red Book, Xiaoheng Xu, is that they are addressing it. They are actually attempting to resolve problems that are massively difficult to address in a world situation that we find ourselves in.
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Jimmy Dore
So is there a homeless problem in China?
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Danny Haiphong
Well, Jimmy, in China, there, there are people who. It's a much different kind of society. So if people know the layout of China and its history, they know it used to be one of the poorest countries in the world and the most of the population was rural. So most people lived in the countryside. Most people lived on their land. When industrialization happened, a lot of people moved into the cities to work. The United States corporate media loves to propagandize that all these people are just, you know, they're just moving to the cities, being forced there and forced to work. No, no, no. People wanted to go there to the cities because they wanted to make more money, because you can make more money working in a factory than you can, you know, selling crops in the countryside. So when that happened, there was of course, an imbalance. China had to create a housing system called Hoku. And what China did though, was they Ensured that people who came from the countryside always had their land. They never took away their land. They never said, you can't have your land anymore. The land, especially in the rural areas, is people's property. So people always have a place to go back to. China's homeless problem is very, very small. And to someone from the United States, it probably looks like zero. Why? Because China does not believe in the idea of sleeping rough, like they say in the UK or in the United States. You know, people who sleep outside street homeless. You will not find that in China. Because China does have a relatively robust social services system. And they encourage people who are migrating from the rural areas into the cities, either one, to canteen with factories, which is a very common thing. A lot of Chinese factories will put people up for their jobs. Or they encourage people to travel back and, you know, travel back to the countryside during spring festival, during the off seasons, when they're not working in the cities, and to live in the countryside. But until they can. This is another problem I didn't talk about, Jimmy. Until there is an even level of development between the rural areas and the urban areas, a very difficult task, but one that is China is very committed to. That problem will not 100% go away. But truthfully, there is not a homelessness problem in China. It is something that exists, but it's very small. It's nothing to the level of the United States. What was the increase this year, Jimmy? 24%? 18. I forget what the number is. Something astronomical. In the last year alone, homelessness rose under the Biden administration. Every year under the Biden administration, it has risen. That is something that would be unacceptable in China if the homeless was going up, up, up, up, up every single year, Xi Jinping, all the way down to the lowest levels of government. Their heads would be rolling. They would not be in power anymore. That is just something that isn't acceptable. People in China, when I go there, they are shocked. They asked me. It's like, this is very scary that you have people sleeping outside. Very scary that you have people who have nothing, no help, no assistance, that they're struggling with their mental health. Nobody's trying to help them. There's no resources. That's something that is very shocking, I think, in China. And Xiaohengshu again is showing that. I think we're probably going to see a lot of videos come up on that platform from Americans and Chinese users, be very shocked.
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Jimmy Dore
That was the thing that I remember one of the first times we talked, you know, I was saying this one party Rule, it's got to be horrible. And one party rule. You know, of course we have the same thing here in the United States basically, and it's oligarchy rule. And you know, the both parties agree on the most horrible of things. But you pointed out to me that if there's a problem now, you know who to blame in America. They are, they're doing it right now at the LA fires, right, that Jen Psaki is doing videos on MSNBC and blaming Elon Musk and Donald Trump. And meanwhile it's Governor Newsom and Karen Bass who are in charge. And then we have people going on talk shows saying it's not their fault, they're doing a great job, it's not so. But in China there's only one party to blame and so consequently people do get held accountable for things and heads do roll, right?
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Danny Haiphong
Oh, of course. I mean, during COVID right before we knew what COVID 19, all of that was during the initial period in Wuhan, a lot of local officials were sacked not because they necessarily did something terribly wrong, but because something went wrong. And you know, during that early novel coronavirus period. And they immediately took action and said, well, your leadership wasn't quick enough, you didn't respond quick enough, you're gone. And this is something that happens all the time, especially at the local level, because this is where corruption in China, the anti corruption campaign really hones in on, because it's much easier than at the central government level at the higher levels of GAR, provincial, etc. It's a lot easier to check people than at the very lowest level where perhaps you are a single person or maybe a few people who's in charge of a village or maybe a township or whatever it is. It's a lot easier to do corruption there than it is at the highest levels where you have to abide by stricter rules and you have far more people looking over your shoulder saying, hey, what's going on if things don't go right, Especially when you deal with bigger policies rather than just implementing them and you know, you're creating them at the higher level. So that's where a lot of the heads roll actually in the local level, because it's much easier to be corrupt at that level in China. And that's what most people will talk about when they talk about corruption. But still this corruption doesn't reach the level. And I'm glad that you talked about the two party system, Jimmy, because a lot of people who worship the two party system of the United States, who Are Democrat, Republican. This is the best way, this is the best system. They, they don't even champ. They, they love their choices, but then they don't even champion. Well, what about the European systems? Don't you love them? They're parliamentary. They have, some of them even have four or five, six. Look at Germany. Germany's full of parties and they seem to be collapsing too. But in the United States you have two parties as you said, one oligarchy controlling it. In China, people assume that because you have one party, you essentially have an oligarchy controlling it. But really that one party has a hugely robust system that allows for a lot of top down and bottom up communication, which is why it works so efficiently. Because if you didn't have quick decision making at the top and the ability for people at the bottom to have their say and give their service to the government, understand what it is and give their contributions, then that system wouldn't work. That system would not be as efficient. China would not be able to alleviate poverty. China would not be able to make quick decisions when needed. They wouldn't be able to industrialize so fast. You need that both top down and bottom up communication, people talking to each other, giving recommendations at the bottom, even voting at the village level, at the municipal level. And then you need people at the top who are chosen from the bottom levels to then implement policy that reflects the interests of the people. But the, but if China had a party, if the Communist Party of China began to act like the United States political system, the Communist Party of China would be no more. So we have to understand that Chinese people are very, very, very involved. They're very opinionated if they are not getting what they want. We've seen this at the local level over and over and over again. If they're not getting what they want or that they need, there's going to be new leadership there. And that's what makes the party so flexible. It's why it's been so resilient and it's why the United States can't stand it. Because this is, the United States wants to overthrow it. The United States doesn't want a government that can be this efficient, that can grow in this way and they can, can compete because that means the United States will have to compete itself. And you see what's happening here, Jimmy. The United States economy is in shambles, the two party system is utterly corrupt and the United States is on a precipitous decline.
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Jimmy Dore
Right now we have on Max Blumenthal, award winning journalist, editor in chief of the Gray zone, best selling author of Goliath 51 Day War, the Management of savagery. Welcome back to the show Max Blumenthal.
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Max Blumenthal
You forgot leading China basher, big China.
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Jimmy Dore
Basher, hates the chi, hates the China. Now you were at the Anthony Blink, which is lat was one of his last press conferences. Yeah. So you got thrown out and Sam Husseini, am I saying his last name right?
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Max Blumenthal
Yep, yep.
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Jimmy Dore
So they've been wanting to ask questions about and get answers about what the United States is doing in Gaza and they haven't been giving them. So in his last chance to ask the questions, they started asking and they wouldn't stop. And so what did they do? They do just like we're told they do in Russia and China. They had the reporters thrown out. Imagine this. Imagine if this was happening in, in China, what the United States press would be saying. Here we go. Watch this. Oh, hang on. I have to fix that.
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Sam Husseini
Two or three people. You pontificate about a free press. You pontificate about a free press. You, you are hurting me. You are hurting me. You are hurting me. I am asking questions after being told by Matt Miller that he will not answer my questions until I'm asking questions. Was, was, wasn't, Wasn't, was it the IC, wasn't the point of the, the May 31st statement to block the ICJ orders. You blocked the ICJ orders.
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Jimmy Dore
You.
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Sam Husseini
You.
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Danny Haiphong
Please, sir.
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Jimmy Dore
Respect the process.
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Sam Husseini
Respect the process. Respect this process. While everybody's. Everybody from the. From Amsterdam. From Amsterdam national to the ICJ saying that Israel is doing genocide and extermination. And you're telling me to respect the process. Criminal. Why aren't you in the Hague? Why are.
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Jimmy Dore
So. You got to respect the process of absolute censorship of any dissent to the point of removing you physically from the place where you're legally sanctioned to be. You can. You can get virtually anyone to do virtually anything as long as they are armed. And you call them a cop. Anyway, so he said. So that was Sam Husseini who was trying to get Antony Blinken to answer questions. No major US news organization has reached out to him. I suspect they are desperate that the public not look at how murderous the United States government policy is or think about what journalism should be. And here you. You had a similar showdown at that same place, same press conference. And let's watch.
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Co-Host
300 reporters in Gaza were on the receiving end of your bombs. Why did you keep the bombs flowing when we had a deal in May? We all knew we had a deal. Everyone in this room knows we had a deal, Tony, and you kept the bombs flowing. Why did you sacrifice the rules based order on the mantle of your commitment to Zionism? Why did you allow my friends to be massacred? Why did you allow my friends homes in Gaza to be destroyed when we had a deal in May? You just. You helped destroy our religion, Judaism, by associating it with fascism. You waved the white flag before Netanyahu. You waved the white flag before Israeli.
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Max Blumenthal
Fascists have the time to take questions.
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Co-Host
Your father in law was an Israel lobbyist. Your grandfather was an Israel lobbyist. Are you compromised by Israel? Why did you allow the holocaust of our time to happen? How does it feel to have your legacy be genocide? How does it feel to have your legacy be genocide? You too, Matt. You smirk through the whole thing every day.
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Sam Husseini
Thank you.
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Co-Host
Smirk through genocide.
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Press Secretary
Thank you.
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Jimmy Dore
So. So Max, just tell people why. Why you did that and, and whatever you want to say about it.
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Max Blumenthal
Yeah, I mean, I think it's self evident and from the reaction I've been getting from around the world, I think people understand. Anyone who's been paying attention, who's been outraged by the policy and its results on the ground in Gaza, the bloody results, understands why I did it. And you know, to put it bluntly and maybe crudely, I did it for all the people who are silenced by the weapons my government sent Israel, especially the journalists in the Gaza Strip. And that's what I led my questions off with. The other reason I did it was that I've been attending these press State Department briefings and respecting the process, as Tony Blinken asked Sam Husseini to do. And Sam has been doing the same. And Sam Husseini, a lot of people don't know. He's been an institution in Washington, D.C. from well before online, you know, well before there was, like, alternative online media. And he's been going to official briefings again and again, and he always would respect the process and be credentialed. And what had been happening at these State Department briefings is he was identified as a dissenter who had crossed too many lines in his questions and couldn't be managed. And it made it hard for them to control the message. And I, too, was, you know, they didn't like me, actually. On we went, Sam and I, on October 12, five days after October 7, and started asking Matt Miller about Israel's just wholesale destruction of Gaza City. They were beginning to slaughter lots of children then. And I, you know, I said to Miller, he didn't know who I was, so it was one of the few times he called on me. I said, you know, they're. They're saying they're going to commit genocide. I was quoting Israeli officials one after another, they're saying they're going to commit genocide. Like, why are you letting this happen instead of working for a deal? And he just shut me down and lectured me and screamed at me that, you know, Israel had been attacked by terrorists and they had the right to do whatever they wanted. So. But ever since those encounters, they would refuse to call on us, refuse to acknowledge our existence. It wasn't an open discussion in there. They have a whole mechanism for controlling the message in the briefing room, which I can explain. And then beyond that, Tony Blinken is someone who is singularly identified with what I consider to be the Holocaust of our time. He's someone who. Who helped craft the policy. He was in the war room in the Israeli Defense Ministry days after. After October 7th, helping shape what Israel was doing. He made sure the bombs kept flowing. He even allowed Israel to keep aid out of the Gaza Strip, allowed them to attack humanitarian convoys, he. And all while pretending that he was fighting for a ceasefire, negotiating tirelessly. And we were told, like, kamala wants a ceasefire, and Blinken was the one preventing it. And not just preventing a ceasefire, but he was preventing his own staff at the State Department from documenting the atrocities that were being carried out with US Weapons that you and I and everyone watching this show was paying for. So I don't think we've ever had a Secretary of State who was so directly involved in such a horrific human rights crime as Tony Blinken. While Joe Biden just admitted in an interview that in one of his first engagements with Netanyahu, Netanyahu told him he was going to do the equivalent of what America did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And Biden and Blinken proceeded to give Netanyahu the space to do that. I mean, that's like evidence for a Nuremberg trial. So I don't think the State Department as an institution is credible anymore or deserves respect. The process inside the briefing room was not credible either and was designed to prevent us from speaking or designed to prevent dissent. The State Department wasn't even hearing dissent from its own employees. And Tony Blinken, when he gives a press conference, they only call on the corporate hacks who you saw just sitting there passively while Sam was basically being strangled and dragged out. And so I decided that the only way to do this was to, what do you call it, Break the fourth wall. Like just get out there and ask all the questions that I've been replaying mentally in my mind again and again. If I ever got in the room with this genocidal dead eyed monster, Tony Blinken, there were some questions I left out, but I was able to get them out for about a minute while a State Department staffer was escorting me out. I complied. And then after that, and this is really indicative of how the whole process was a giant fraud. Sam attempted to ask a question out of turn because he knew he wouldn't be called on. He was silenced. And then he stopped saying anything. And then Matthew Miller, the smirking press secretary, summoned those cops and they just went in on him, right? They pounced on him right then and there. And that's when you saw that exchange that you played. So initially he tried to ask a question, and for trying to ask a question, he got brutalized by cops. And it is not illegal in any way to interrupt a press briefing with a question.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, I wanted to go over briefly how your interruption of Antony Blinken's final press conference. The Secretary of genocide over Gaza. I want to just go over a little bit. So here's how CNN covered it. I don't know if you saw this, but this is amazing. Watch this.
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Press Secretary
As you heard, he was repeatedly interrupted by some cringeworthy heckling by activists.
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Jimmy Dore
You're cringe so you think you and Sam are suddenly. It's bad when they're against the activities you support. Imagine when they did that to Trump. They loved it. Remember when Jim Acosta wouldn't put that microphone down? I mean, they used to love them, but now look how they try to control the meaning of the word and the narrative around it. Right. All of a sudden, being an activist is a bad thing. It's so, it's just amazing. Who do you think was going to speak out? It had to be. Somebody was in that. But anyway, there it is saying that she's upset. The CNN people are upset that you interrupted. God forbid you interrupt. Antony Blinken here. Let's listen to it again.
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Press Secretary
As you heard, he was repeatedly interrupted by some cringe words, worthy heckling by activists. So we were both sitting here pretty stunned, frankly. This is supposed to be a press conference with a room of journalists. Those were activists who were interrupting the Secretary of State when he initially was thinking the press and talking about the Israeli Hamas deal.
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CNN Correspondent
Yeah, I think it's really surprising. A lot of our viewers will have seen protests on Capitol Hill, for example, during confirmation hearings. But it's very rare for something like that to happen at the State Department. I'm over there all the time in that briefing room. And you need to have a reason to be at the State Department. You need to have an appointment. You need to have press accreditation to come and go. So it's unclear who those people were. So I think there's a real security question there. Allow me to be cheesy for a moment. This is a testament to American democracy and the way that American administrations approach their press rooms. They give accreditation to a wide number of, of journalists. And increasingly what I would call this.
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Jimmy Dore
Again, imagine if this was happening at a Trump press conference. Imagine what these, these same pieces of garbage would be saying if this was a reporter being have three cops pulling him out. If Trump was giving a press conference. You saw what they said when he was just rude to Jim Acosta. Yeah, this, this is, this is a testament to our democracy. This guy's saying. Who is that guy, by the way?
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Max Blumenthal
Alex Marquardt. And he's, he, he basically is telling us he's a State Department asset.
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Jimmy Dore
That's what he's saying. He's like, well, you good? When I, he's the, he's the chief course national security correspondent for cnn. When I go over to the State Department, you better, you better watch your P's and Q's and do as they, that's what he's saying he's supposed to be a journalist. You're supposed to do the exact opposite of that. You're supposed to be the one that they're supposed to be afraid of you. They're supposed to be afraid of the journalists that you're going to expose them and their lies, not the other way around. He has it completely asked backwards and of course he does. And that's why he works for cnn. Because if he thought like you did or Sam Husseini, he would never get hired by cnn. That's the reason why he gets hired, because he thinks like that. Right?
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Max Blumenthal
Yeah. And this is why everyone hates cnn because they weren't shocked or stunned by what was happening in Gaza. They, they never had this reaction to the holocaust of children that we just witnessed on air. They never had this reaction. These blow dried hacks, they're just upset by activists. And me and Sam Husseini have more than 50 years of journalism under our belts. It's just not the kind that they like. So they call us opinion journalists and call us a security threat, like we're terrorists for being able to be in. There is. There's no red line with these people. There's no red line except when the President or his functionaries don't go far enough in the service of the military and financial elite. So you, the only time you'll see like reporters beat up on the President in the Rose Garden is when like Trump was, it wasn't clear that Trump was going to bomb Syria after the staged Duma attack. Or Jim Acosta. You brought up Jim Acosta because Trump wasn't fascist enough towards Russia.
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Jimmy Dore
That's right.
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Max Blumenthal
He was accusing him of being a Russian asset. I mean, and that's just like how would any president accept that level of disrespect? And then he was just mildly, he was rude to Jim Acosta and called it fake news, which was great. One of the great moments of Trump's career. And all the reporters, I remember that day on Twitter, they were all like, we are under threat and we're just here to support each other and thank you for please defending us and defending a free press. Like a free press was under threat because the President called them fake. But now, you know, look at, look at how they react to Sam Husseini. He's actual real reporter. He's done more like 5 times more reporting and journalistic work than both of those hacks combined. And they denigrate him because he is speaking for the global majority.
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Jimmy Dore
I'm so glad you guys brought this up because CNN is all over headlines right now about Jim Acosta's show is being moved to midnight. And they're outraged by that. They're outraged. They're like, that's so unfair to Jim Acosta. See what Trump's to him. And look what Anthony Blinken did to journalists. Let's. I think there's a little bit more of this. Let me look.
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CNN Correspondent
Less mainstream journalists. More opinion journalists who have the opportunity.
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Jimmy Dore
So they called you less main. You're not mainstream journalists. Yeah. I don't know if, you know, it's over for you guys and your mainstream news. Right. It's all opinion journalists. Okay, hang on.
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CNN Correspondent
To go to the State Department, to go to the White House and to ask questions of the representatives of that administration. So I'm always amazed whenever I go to these different press rooms about who's actually sitting there. It's not just Americans. It's people from all over the world, from Turkey, from China, from South Korea, who get to ask questions of people like Matt Miller at the State Department or Karine Jean Pierre at the White House. And so there's.
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Jimmy Dore
He's. He's saying this as. As they're running this B roll of them doing this to a journalist. He's.
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Max Blumenthal
He's saying cheesy about our great democracy while a journalist is just being, like, you know, strangled.
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Jimmy Dore
It would be. It's like the equivalent of him saying this. And the B roll was Julian Assange sitting in a prison cell. Yeah, we're just. It's the greatest. We're really the greatest. They let people from China ask questions.
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CNN Correspondent
Relatively open policy for now in these different press rooms.
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Jimmy Dore
Here's how Reuters covered it. Reuters said journalists berate Blinken over Gaza policy at his final press cut. How dare they? He looks like he's about to cry, though. Isn't that nice? Yeah, that is nice.
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Max Blumenthal
He has feelings.
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Jimmy Dore
He has been frequently heckled at appearances in Washington since the Gaza conflict began. Demonstrators camped outside his Virginia home for months and repeatedly threw red paint resembling blood on cars carrying Blinken and his family. Asked during the press conference if he would change anything about his dealings with Israel, Blinken said the Israeli government had carried out policies that were basically supported by an overwhelming majority of Israelis after the trauma of October 7th and said that had to be factored into the US response. The Biden administration had been unable to reach final determinations on individual incidents that could constitute violence that. Listen to their. This is the Reuters mealy mouth wording. They're doing a genocide, slaughtering the majority of people killed in Gaza, women and children. And they come. Well, they couldn't reach a final determination on the individual incidents that could constitute violations of international law. Why? Because Hamas. Because Hamas has embedded itself within the civilians. Yeah. I'd also like to point out that in Israel itself, there are hundreds of cases that are being investigated. Blinken said they have a process. They have procedures. They have a rule of law that's the hallmark of any democracy. You mean the process of investigating their breaking of the rule of law? Okay, and here's my shocking. My favorite is Blinken, who leaves office on Monday when the administration of President elect Donald Trump takes over, calmly asked for quiet while he delivered his remarks and later took questions from reporters. He calmly did that. What's wrong with you guys? Here's my favorite is people like this, this guy gave whoever this guy is, Jack Jaggerman. He says this is not serious journalism. What you and Sam were doing is not serious journalism, Max. And no one but dumb kids and even dumber Marxists think you're doing a good serious job. What do you say to that, Max?
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Max Blumenthal
I don't know. The President of Colombia, Gustavo Petro, just reached out to me to congratulate me.
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Jimmy Dore
Okay.
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Max Blumenthal
I guess that's a dumb kid in his view. Or dumb Marxist in the view of Gabe Zickerman. You know, the only negative stuff I've gotten, like negative feedback is from crazy Zionists like Gabe Zickerman.
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Jimmy Dore
You know, he's a crazy Zionist, that's for sure.
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Max Blumenthal
So those are, those are, you know, that's who. Tony Blinken. That's his, you know, support base now.
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Jimmy Dore
And here you mentioned this before. Dave decamp tweeted this out about the Times of Israel's coverage. They said that you were an anti. You were engaged in an anti Semitic dog whistle by calling Blinken's grandfather an Israeli lobbyist. Really? So a Jew, which you are, as you were engaging in anti Semitic dog whistle just by saying that Anthony Blinken's grandfather was an Israeli lobbyist. Tell people who Anthony Blinken's grandfather was. I know you already did, but do one more time.
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Max Blumenthal
Well, he founded the American Palestine Institute, which funded the first. One of the first studies on the feasibility of. Of Zionist colonization of Palestine, which would require kicking masses of indigenous Palestinians off their land by force in, in order to establish Jews only settlements known as kibbutzim and Jews only farming communities. And Maurice Blinken, you can see right there in this New York Times obituary, is credited with, through that report, helping convince the Truman administration to support the establishment of this, like, ethnically exclusive Jewish state of Israel, Anthony Blinken has credited him for his own support for Israel. So this was completely legitimate, and I'm glad they attacked me for it because it helps get the conversation to be more mainstream about how the hell this guy wound up as the top diplomat. Why is that legitimate? In fact, why is it a prerequisite that they have to be so deeply connected to a foreign country?
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Jimmy Dore
Do you. So at the bottom. So this is his. His obituary, Antony Blinken's grandfather. And at the very bottom, it says, the Institute report is said to have helped persuade the United States government to support the establishment of the state of Israel. And that's the Institute report that he did. Maurice H. Blinken. So do you find that in the State Department or in that people who are Zionists and Jews in particular, are overrepresented?
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Max Blumenthal
Well, the funny thing is, I know some Jews in the State Department who disagree with the policy. It doesn't matter. I mean, the State Department itself was Tony Blinken. And at the same time, the political positions in the State Department, you cannot fill them unless you are a Zionist. You cannot be in them unless you're a Zionist because of Congress. And Congress is controlled on this issue by aipac. And AIPAC is the chief arm of the Israel Lobby, but it's not registered as a foreign agent or a foreign lobby. It's registered. It's.
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Jimmy Dore
It's.
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Max Blumenthal
It's simply known in the US As a Jewish group. And that's their, that's their line to avoid being registered, like every other foreign lobby is. And it allows them unlimited control as well as the ability to possibly conduct espionage and spirit out classified documents from Congress to Israeli intelligence. I mean, we don't know about the full extent of AIPAC's activities, but we can see the results. Tony Blinken's confirmation hearings went through so smoothly, and look at who he is being succeeded by. Marco Rubio, who is an arch Zionist, complete tool of aipac, whose career was supported by Zionist billionaire donors like Paul Singer. And he's sailing through Congress as well. He's like one of the only Trump picks that the Washington Post endorsed. Everybody in the Senate loves Marco Rubio as Secretary of State. And, you know, today he was just ranting about how Iran needed to be. Its government needed to be destroyed. So it's the political positions that are the issue. The policy on Gaza was Blinken, and then it was the national security council, Brett McGurk and Jake Sullivan, who are not Jewish, who set the policy, and Biden, Sullivan's Catholic. I think McGurk is Catholic as well. I'm not sure. And Biden is Catholic. And, you know, my Irish friends consider him a complete traitor to their cause, but they, their careers have been supported by the Zionist lobby as well. And I remember back in 2016, actually, Jake Sullivan wrote the denunciation of me by Hillary Clinton. When Hillary Clinton denounced me in public, it was, it was he who did that, essentially calling me an anti Semite. So I mean, the, you know, the Israel Lobby just, it controls all political positions that require kind of confirmation or any vetting by Congress. And, and, you know, Jake Sullivan, how did he, he, what was, what was he doing at the time when he denounced me? In 2016, he was chief of staff for Hillary. So now he's like in like the, the deep, deep state architecture of the national security complex. You never see him out there in public. But before he was running a political campaign, one of the worst political campaigns.
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Jimmy Dore
In history, and he was second to Kamalists.
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Max Blumenthal
I don't know. I actually think Hillary's was worse, but that's a separate debate.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, it's, it's a toss up.
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Max Blumenthal
And, and so he was afraid that this, there are these emails coming out where, like, my father had sent Hillary Clinton some articles that I had done, like years before, and she would just say, like, great job. You know, just like, she didn't really care. She was just like, nice job or something. Like, you know, I'm glad, you know, I'm proud of your son. Because they had been friends and, you know, worked together since the Clinton administration. And the emails came out not just through WikiLeaks, but through State Department emails that were FOIA'd. And so the Trump campaign ran this op, funded by Sheldon Adelson, to claim that I was Hillary Clinton's secret top Middle east advisor. And Hillary Clinton's top donor was another Zionist warlord named Heim Saban, who started freaking out about this. And so they had to denounce me. They didn't like. And Jake Sullivan. So what my point is Jake Sullivan denounced me just because he was afraid it was going to cost Hillary Clinton money. And when we talk about Heim Saban, this is a guy who funded the construction of the Democratic National Committee's headquarters in Virginia on the other side of the Potomac River. Like, the whole headquarters was funded by one Zionist warlord, Heinz Saban, who's an Israeli American. And he was asked by the New Yorker, like, why are you giving all this money to politics? And he just donated a million dollars to Barack Obama and he said, I'm a one issue guy and my issue is Israel. So that should tell you about the way. Why policy is the way it is.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. Well, great work. I, you know, it is great that the way that his last press conference got reported was about what you did and what Sam did and not about what he had to say. And it is super creepy when he just. You could just call him a war criminal right to his face and say he's funding genocide. And he just says in a low voice, in a dulcet tone, please respect the process. It's like, it's so, like out of a. Some kind of a. A movie. It's just. It's like out of a movie, and he's the psycho guy who's out there committing genocide. Please respect the process. It's like, oh, my God, it's. You can't. I just can't. Oh, this makes me.
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Max Blumenthal
It should be the title of a documentary about this whole saga. Respect the process.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. Respect the process. All right. Well, I appreciate you making time for us. Great work. I salute you, and thanks for doing that. It gave me a, you know, not a lot of things to be happy about or cheer for. And that's one of the things that I'm really appreciative that you did, because I. I could cheer for it, and it made me happy, and it was great to see. And, you know, a little bit, you know, a little. Somebody got to stick their thumb in the eye of power a little bit. That was nice.
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Max Blumenthal
I mean, that's all we can do. I mean, nobody's getting punished. No, there's no one. No one's getting held accountable. No one was held accountable for the foreclosure crisis, the Iraq war, all the wars that came after it. So we all just do what we can.
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Jimmy Dore
Nobody's being held accountable for the COVID policy, which we all realize now, in retrospect, was the opposite of science. No one's. The lockdowns, which crushed people economically, turned. Made people depressed and made people, children, obese. The masking policy, which kids are now language behind with their language development. There's no. The lie after lies that Fauci was allowed to tell. He lied to Congress twice about funding the research. There's no one's going to know. And that's what we were talking about with Danny Haifong. At least there's some accountability in China when people do that stuff. There's no accountability in the United States ever. There's no accountability. Nancy Pelosi is doing insider Trading right in your face, out, outperforming the market right in your face, over and over and over again. There's never. Nobody even brings up. Maybe we should investigate this and not even come up.
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Max Blumenthal
Yeah, yeah.
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Jimmy Dore
It's a. We live in a completely corrupted society. And that's what I try to tell people. It's 100% corrupted, which is why nothing ever happens. Good for you. Which is why when people's houses burned down, they send them $700 and then at the same, the same week, they'll send $6 billion to you. Ukraine at the same.
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Max Blumenthal
And Israel.
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Jimmy Dore
And Israel. That's right.
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Max Blumenthal
It is unlimited to Israel. It's limited to Americans whose houses were burned down.
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Jimmy Dore
Right, that's right.
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Max Blumenthal
I mean, we could rebuild so much in la, in East Palestine, in Lahaina.
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Jimmy Dore
Right.
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Max Blumenthal
Just redirecting the money away from Ukraine and Israel. But respect the process.
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Jimmy Dore
Respect, Respect. Respect the. Imagine what we could have done. Now we gave $300 billion to Ukraine. How many millions of dollars, not billions. How many millions of dollars would it have taken for California to. Or Los Angeles to invest in, I don't know, 200, 300, 500 fire trucks that could have been dispatched. As soon as those winds kicked up, you just dispatched the trucks and now they're waiting and they're there. But that maybe cost, I don't know, $10 million, maybe 100 million. We're sending $300 billion. So again, it's, It's. This is the way every empire ends. We're not investing in our own country, in our own people, in our own infrastructure as we. Unlimited cash for imperialism and war. And that's what this is. That's. I'm not make. I'm not off on this, am I?
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Max Blumenthal
I'm not endorsing anything that, you know, any violence. But you have to ask, everyone has to ask, why did Luigi Mangioni become a folk hero? Or like, you know, I totally disagree with what I mean, I totally disagree with vigilantism, but you're just seeing people get turned into folk heroes who just strike out on their own and don't respect the process in a pretty dis, like, dystopian way. And that's the fault of our elite. That's their fault because they just refuse to hold. They refuse to allow us to have a democracy, to hold them accountable. And they obviously don't hold each other accountable. They just reward each other and then they launder our money in foreign countries that are carrying out devastating wars.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, I love. They said, you know, Luigi Magione, they say, well, hey, you know, violence isn't the answer to that, but violence is the answer. In Ukraine, in Syria, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Iran, in Yemen, in Gaza, the West Bank. It's a. It's the answer in a lot of places.
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Max Blumenthal
Assassination is the answer. I mean, that's the way the US and Israel react when a major resistance leader is assassinated, like Hassan Nasrallah. They support it. They ch. I mean, Israel does it. They blow up seven apartment towers to kill him. And then the US cheers it on Biden, Kamala, they. They both issued statements endorsing it, endorsing his assassination. And then the chickens come home to roost and they freak out. I mean, they have legitimized assassination as a tool overseas.
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Jimmy Dore
100%. Yeah, of course they have. Yeah. Anyway, I could talk to you all day. Thanks for making time for us and great work.
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Max Blumenthal
Thank you, Jimmy.
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Jimmy Dore
Okay, everybody, check out the gray zone. Hey. Become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being. And me. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Do not freak out.
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Max Blumenthal
I'm not kidding.
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Jimmy Dore
Do not do nothing. I'm not. I'm not.
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Gen X Guy
I'm not.
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Jimmy Dore
I'm not. I'm not. Freak out. Do not freak out.
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