BREAKING! U.S. Sustaining MAJOR LOSSES In Iran War!

Summary

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The Jimmy Dore Show

Episode: BREAKING! U.S. Sustaining MAJOR LOSSES In Iran War!
Date: March 4, 2026
Host: Jimmy Dore
Guests: Max Blumenthal, Scott, Larry C. Johnson (clips), Jeffrey Toobin (parody, voiced by Mike McRae)

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Overview

This episode dives into rapidly escalating U.S. military setbacks in the Middle East, focusing on the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the broader geopolitical ramifications. Jimmy Dore, joined by journalist Max Blumenthal and other panelists, discusses intelligence leaks, U.S. endgame confusion, Israeli strategic goals, covert U.S. operations, and the real motivations behind the war—often implicating U.S. foreign policy as serving Israeli interests. Dore, in his signature irreverent and critical style, pulls in expert clips, historical context, and revealing testimony to lay bare what he views as U.S. imperial misadventures and deception.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. U.S. Military Setbacks in the Persian Gulf

Segment: [01:31–06:51]

• Larry C. Johnson (former CIA): Outlines how the U.S. Navy has suffered significant losses: the Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain was destroyed, trapping several destroyers in the Persian Gulf due to Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz.

  • “The United States is suffering significant material losses…they made a big point of attacking the fifth Fleet facility in Bahrain… Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz.” – Larry C. Johnson [01:44]
  • Ships now must travel 3+ days to Diego Garcia to reload, making sustained operations impossible: “So when they launch...the only way to replace them is to sail to a port. Previously they could sail into Bahrain…Not now.” [01:44]
  • Bahrainis' reaction: Jimmy emphasizes that local Bahrainis were seen cheering attacks on the U.S. Navy installation. “So the people of Bahrain are cheering on Iran that are bombing our US Naval facility...now we're going to be just as hated around the world as Israel is.” – Jimmy Dore [05:32]

• Strategic Implications:

  • U.S. is unable to provide rapid military support to Israel.
  • The possibility of a regional oil war: if Iran's oil is targeted, Iran would retaliate against the Gulf states’ oil infrastructure, risking global economic turmoil.

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2. False Flags, Oil Politics, and Global War Risks

Segment: [06:10–11:08]

• False Flag Attack: Dore discusses claims that Israel staged a false flag on Saudi oil infrastructure to blame Iran and drag Saudi Arabia into direct conflict.
  • “We know that the Iranians are in contact with the Saudi Arabians diplomatically...we found out since he said this was that Israel attacked Saudi Arabia and they did like a false flag…to try to draw Saudi Arabia in.” – Jimmy Dore [06:51]
• Iran’s Capabilities:
  • Iran threatens to, and is capable of, destroying oil production infrastructure across the region if attacked.
• Consequences:
  • U.S. and Israel are risking global energy supply, with Dore warning such a war could lead to a “World War Three” scenario—especially with Europe ultimately hurt the most.

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3. Israel’s Strategic Ambitions & The Samson Option

Segment: [11:08–15:25]

• Samson Option:

  • Dore and Scott discuss the theoretical Israeli doctrine in which Israel would use nuclear weapons if faced with existential defeat.
    • “They have this thing called the Samson Doctrine...if they feel like their country is about to go down...they're going to start nuking, they're going to start using nukes…” – Jimmy Dore [11:17]

• Endgame Questions:

  • U.S. policymakers and military leadership lack a clear definition of victory; they're simply “doing what Israel wants.”
    • “America has suffered great losses, and...This is not going to turn out well. They don't have an end game. How do you know when you win? They don't have that metric.” – Jimmy Dore [12:32]

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4. Destabilization Strategy & Regime Change in Iran

Segment: [15:25–23:21]

• New War Tactics:

  • U.S. and Israel have escalated to bombing police stations and Basij (civilian defense) centers in Iran, targeting not just leadership but social infrastructure.

• Goal:

  • Dore and Blumenthal argue the real aim is disintegration and chaos (as in Libya, Syria), not installing a new regime:
    • “Is that what you think they're gonna do...the goal is to actually make it ungovernable and destabilize it so we can try to split it up?” – Jimmy Dore [16:15]
    • “That's it...they're, they're persisting with this strategy of regime change, thinking that they can get the Iranian people to just rise up...but all they're doing is murdering civilians...” – Max Blumenthal [16:39]

• Failed Assassination Tactics:

  • Death of Ayatollah Alejamene radicalizes Shia populations instead of subduing them.
  • U.S.-encouraged ethnic and terrorist (Kurdish, ISIS) attacks designed to fragment Iran.

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5. No War Objective & Pentagon in Crisis

Segment: [23:21–27:42]

• Administration’s Confusion:
  • Clip of Pentagon press conference where officials can’t articulate the objective, just vaguely referring to “mission accomplished.”
    • “We know, we have plans, we have generals, we have chairmans...” – Unnamed Official [24:00]
    • “So what, what is the clear objective? Again, that we don't know.” – Jimmy Dore [24:11]
• Military Fatigue and Disarray:
  • Pentagon leaking, potential resignations, and a lack of coherent strategy.
  • “The US is about to run out of munitions to defend the apartheid colony of Israel. And it's embarrassing for the Pentagon.” – Max Blumenthal [24:51]
• Trump’s Commitment:
  • Trump now says he can't rule out boots on the ground, raising the stakes for U.S. military engagement.
    • “Donald Trump says he would deploy ground troops if necessary.” – Jimmy Dore [26:40]

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6. The Israel Lobby, Managed Public Perception, and Starlink Operations

Segment: [29:00–39:08]

• Israel’s Long-Game:

  • Netanyahu admits, in Hebrew, that Trump is executing his 40-year plan to draw the U.S. deeper into Middle East wars for Israel's benefit.
    • “Trump is enacting the plan that I put in place 40 years ago. He just said it, okay? He's taking credit for everything Trump is doing.” – Max Blumenthal [29:19]

• Resource Diversion:

  • America is diverting critical missile defense systems away from Asia or Ukraine to defend Israel.
    • “They're even repositioning or abandoning the Gulf allies... they're abandoning everyone for Israel.” – Max Blumenthal [31:38]

• Covert Operations & Regime Change Tools (National Endowment for Democracy/NED):

  • Exposé on NED's supplying of Starlink terminals to Iranian activists, enabling anti-government coordination.
    • “...head of the National Endowment for Democracy...was interrupted by a member of Congress...after revealing that his agency began supporting the deployment and operation of about 200 Starlinks early on amid the violence...” – Jimmy Dore [34:44]
  • NED operates as a CIA cutout funding foreign opposition—overthrowing governments in Iran and Bolivia, running propaganda, and boasting about sparking unrest.
  • “The NED's work to smuggle Starlink terminals into Iran is therefore covert operation aimed at promoting unrest…” – Jimmy Dore [39:11]

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7. Greater Israel Project & Geostrategic Vision

Segment: [43:32–52:01]

• Goals Articulated:

  • Dore and Blumenthal highlight statements from Israeli and U.S. figures envisioning Israeli borders from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates, including Mecca and Medina.
    • “Eventually our borders will extend from Lebanon to the Great Desert…then from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates…We're going to take Mecca, Medina, and Mount Sinai.” – Quoted Israeli figure [47:11]
  • Even secular Israeli opposition admits to this expansionist ideology.

• Blumenthal: Points out regional blowback—Gulf states hosting U.S./Israeli bases are now targets, discrediting normalization with Israel.

• U.S. as Proxy:

  • U.S. is acting openly for Israeli interests, confirmed by both right- and left-wing U.S. politicians and even the "Gang of Eight."

    • “If we equate a threat to Israel as the equivalent of an imminent threat to the US, then we are in uncharted territory.” – Sen. Mark Warner, quoted by Max Blumenthal [52:01]

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8. Mock Interview: Jeffrey Toobin (Parody Segment)

Segment: [53:21–59:12]

• Parody Call:
  • A satirical call with Jeffrey Toobin (voiced by Mike McRae), riffing on the Epstein/Larry Summers scandal and media perversion.
  • The segment lampoons the elite's unwillingness to address criminality and perversion within their own ranks while being disturbingly complicit.

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Notable Quotes

• “America has suffered great losses, and we are not…This is not going to turn out well. They don't have an end game.” – Jimmy Dore [12:32]

• “What they're doing is not only diabolical, it's delusional...You can clearly see that he is receiving the exact opposite effect that he did in Venezuela by assassinating Ayatollah Alejamene.” – Max Blumenthal [16:39]

• “They're just doing what Israel wants. Straight up, doing what Israel wants. And Israel doesn't care how bad it gets for the United States…” – Jimmy Dore [12:39]

• “He made one of the most important statements where he said that Trump is enacting the plan that I put into place 40 years ago…Trump has become a vehicle for Israeli influence.” – Max Blumenthal [29:19]

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Memorable Moments

• Bahrainis cheering U.S. defeat: A symbolic scene showing how regional populations are shifting allegiances and rooting against the U.S. [05:32]
• Congressional cover-up: Congressional testimony is abruptly cut off when the NED's covert regime change operations in Iran are made public. [34:44]
• Netanyahu’s admissions: Max Blumenthal underscores how openly Netanyahu claims responsibility for involving the U.S. in Israel’s regional wars. [29:19]
• Outrage at U.S. foreign policy: The show’s panel confronts the pattern of the U.S. enabling coups, destabilizations, and the rise of failed states for corporate profit and Israeli gain.

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Overall Tone & Style

• Language: Unfiltered, profane, but heavily factual and citation-driven.
• Tone: Outraged, incredulous, darkly humorous; relentless in its criticism of U.S.-Israel policy and the mainstream media's complicity.

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [01:31] – Start of military/strategic discussion with Larry C. Johnson analysis
• [06:51] – False flag and oil war scenario
• [11:17] – “Samson Option” and US/Israel alliance scrutiny
• [16:39] – Blumenthal on Iran regime change strategy and US delusions
• [23:21] – Pentagon press conference exposes lack of coherent US objectives
• [29:19] – Netanyahu admits to implementing decades-old Israeli plans via Trump
• [34:44] – NED testimony exposing covert CIA/Mossad operations in Iran is cut off
• [47:11] – Discussion on “Greater Israel Project” and Israeli expansionism
• [52:01] – Mark Warner confirmation: this US war is for Israel
• [53:21] – Parody call with “Jeffrey Toobin” about Epstein/Summers

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Summary

This episode of The Jimmy Dore Show presents a sweeping indictment of U.S. policy in the Iran conflict, framing it as a disastrous, Israel-driven military adventure with little support at home, no clear objectives, and catastrophic regional consequences. With expert commentary, insider leaks, and brutal satirical asides, Dore and his guests reveal a picture of imperial confusion, covert regime change, and American decline, while connecting current events to long-term Israeli ambitions and ongoing Middle East instability.

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For those who haven’t listened: this summary offers a clear, jargon-free roadmap of the episode’s key themes and arguments, highlights crucial moments and quotes, and captures the show’s blend of passionate critique and darkly comic commentary.

Transcript

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[Max Blumenthal]

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[Jimmy Dore]

I was watching this guy, Larry C. Johnson, he's a former CIA intel analyst and he was talking on Judge Napolitano show and here's what he said. He says America has suffered great losses. Let's listen.

[Larry C. Johnson]

And the United States is suffering significant material losses. I don't know about human loss at this point. What's happened right now? For example, they made a big point of attacking the fifth Fleet facility in Bahrain. It's a naval, it's a port. That port is critical for providing service to say, us destroyers who remember these destroyers come equipped with 96 missile slots. I think they got 50 up front and 46 astern and their vertical launch system. So when they launch either Tomahawk cruise missiles or Aegis air defense missiles out of those tubes, the only way to replace them is to sail to a port. Previously they could sail into Bahrain and go there. Not now. Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Bahrain is just, it's like an island just off the coast of Saudi Arabia right near the Strait of Hormuz. So that's where Bahrain is. And it's basically a vassal State of the United States and we have military base there. And he's saying that they just crushed it.

[Larry C. Johnson]

Okay, You've got several US Navy ships that are now basically trapped inside the Persian Gulf. And Iran's got the air ship anti ship missiles to take those out. I don't know if they have yet, but I think they will, number one. So now this means the United States, when it's in a fight with the Abraham Lincoln carrier in the Arabian Sea accompanied by, you know, last I checked it was like three destroyers and maybe up to four once they're run out of missiles they got, the nearest port is three, three and a half days away at Diego Garcia.

[Max Blumenthal]

Wow.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, so, so what he's saying is once the American ship uses their 90 missiles, it's over. They can't go back to Bahrain. They destroyed it. They got to go three and a half days away somewhere else to another port. Which, which means there won't be any United States presence there. And there's, there's no more, there's no more defending Israel. So that, that's what, that's how I take it, that's how I take what he's saying. Let's listen. He says more.

[Larry C. Johnson]

What we, what we have right now is a situation that we cannot sustain. An attack, a naval attack from the south with just the one aircraft carrier because there's no nearby port they can sail to to get reloaded. So three days out, three days back, that's a week.

[Max Blumenthal]

How, how sustained is the American attack? Is it regular, consistent, systematic, without a break?

[Jimmy Dore]

Or does it go for a couple

[Larry C. Johnson]

of hours and they stop and then they come back? Well, they've got, they can't sustain it continuously because they're using the land based is from planes that are flying out and dropping air guided missiles, air to ground missiles. And again the same applies to the ships that are those destroyers that are firing off Tomahawk cruise missiles. Once they fire, they're done. They'll have to wait till they can go reload. I do understand that Iran has fired some missiles and drones at the ship, at the carrier strike force. Don't know what the effect has been. We do know that in Bahrain they hit the facility that housed US Naval officers. It's on fire. So the possibility that they have killed some U.S. naval personnel. You've got Bahrainis cheering as Iranian missiles are slamming in to this U.S. naval facility.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the people of Bahrain are cheering on Iran that are bombing our US Naval facility in Bahrain. So now, now we're going to be just as hated around the world as Israel is. And that's. Yeah, but here, here. And here we are. Yeah, here we are.

[Scott]

Well, the petrodollar thing, it's almost as if they intentionally are trying to destroy the rest of America to hasten that technique thing they're into. That's how it comes off to me.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ah, okay. He's, this guy's got more to say. Let's listen.

[Larry C. Johnson]

But at the same time, what you have is the other countries. You know, Saudi Arabia has now declared war on Iran. I'm sure the Qatar and United Arab Emirates are going to follow suit and find up to this point Iran has targeted only the military targets, the US Military targets in these countries. But if those countries want to start getting into it with Iran, Iran will take out their oil. And Iran very well can do that. And that will be especially true if the west tries to attack Iranian oil facilities and oil fields. They will then in turn light up the entire Persian Gulf and say Goodbye to, to 25% of the world's petroleum.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what actually happened? So I didn't know this, that Saudi Arabia had declared war on Iran. But what we have found out since he said this was that Israel attacked Saudi Arabia and they did like a false flag. They tried to make it seem like Iran did it to try to draw Saudi Arabia in. But now we know, and we are, we know that the Iranians are in contact with the Saudi Arabians diplomatically. And they told them, hey, we didn't bomb, we don't want anybody to bomb oil facilities. We don't want anybody bombing our oil facilities. And we're not bombing anybody else's oil facilities. It definitely, we're only bombing military targets of the United States that are inside other Arab countries. And this was Israel that did that. Exactly what Israel always does, a false flag to try to draw people into wars. And that's exactly what this is. So, and what, what he's saying is that if, if we go after Iranians oil capability, Iran will take out Saudi Arabia's oil capability, the United Arab Emirates capability, Bahrain, Oman, everybody in the Middle east, they're going to take out their oil because, because Iran has the ability to do that, so they will do it. And so that's why you notice that the United States has not yet bombed the oil fields of Iran. Up until this moment they haven't done it. And I'm pretty sure the reason is because they know that Iran will then knock out the oil in every other Arab country, which they have the ability to do. And that Will, that's World War Three right there, baby. And that's going to hurt Europe more than anybody. Okay, let's see what he has more to say. No, that's it. That was it. So I just want to show you what he's talking about. So this is the area he's talking about. So here's Kuwait. There's Bahrain right here. So that's the, where the Bahrainians were cheering at. Let me see. I'll get you getting a little bigger. There it is. There's Iran, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Abu Dhabi, Doha, and there's Qatar and there's Bahrain. So they took out the US Navy installation in Bahrain and the Bahrain people were cheering it on. So this is what we're. So here's the Gulf states, there's the United Arab Emirates, there's Doha, there's Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia. And let's remember, This is the Greater Israel Project. So they want to take over, they've already taken over that parts of Syria. They want to go into Turkey. I've already showed you that in another segment. Israel is now talking about starting a war with Turkey and Saudi Arabia because this is where they want to go. They want to go all the way down here. Mecca is right here. They want to take that over. Israel does. And they know this is the only chance they have right now. So they're already talking about going in against Turkey and going in to get Saudi Arabia, which they're all supposed to be on the same side. Turkey is a NATO country. We're in bed with Saudi Arabia to the petrodollar. And we're all supposed to be on the same side with the United States and Israel, except Israel wants to go to war with Saudi Arabia and Turkey and they want to take over Iraq up until, up until right here. There you go. And they got want to go into Egypt too. Just, just so you know. Yeah. So there. And here it is. Iranian state media says that Israel, Iran did not attack Saudi Arabia's oil. They didn't. It was Israel and they know it now. Everybody knows it. So I, I, you know, I, I have hope. I don't have faith in a lot of things. My fingers crossed. I hope this, this, this goes so horribly in the Middle east that it's the end of Israel, because I have a feeling this could be the end of Israel. It could be.

[Scott]

They'll make sure to take it, take us all down with them. They're gonna make sure.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So they have this thing called the Samson Doctrine. Right. Is that what it's called, Kirk, The Option.

[Scott]

Samson.

[Jimmy Dore]

Samson Option. Which means if they feel like their country is about to go down and is in an existential threat, that they're going to start nuking, they're going to start using nukes and create a nuclear war.

[Scott]

It's weird because they don't even have them. So they have to invent them.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, they have to invent. So they've had nukes since the 60s, and that's why they killed JFK, because JFK was going to stop them from getting nukes. And they were like, no, you're not stopping us. We'll kill you. And they did. And LBJ went along with it. That's. That's. That's. Your country got overthrown from the inside and the outside in 1963. Your country was overthrown. And so when Noam Chomsky says, who cares? That's Noam Chomsky revealing that he's an asset of the CIA. And he always was. He always was. He's an asset of Israel. That's why he's buddies with Jeffrey Epstein. So. So anything, you know, really. Whoo. But there you go. America has suffered great losses, and we are not. This is not going to turn out well. They don't have an end game. They don't have an end game. They don't have. How do you know when you win? They don't have that metric. It's not happening.

[Scott]

Who doesn't? Because Israel knows.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, The United States. Oh, yeah, the United States. They're just doing what Israel wants. Straight up, doing what Israel wants. And Israel doesn't care how bad it gets for the United States or Europe or the rest of the world. They don't care.

[Scott]

They hope it gets worse because they want Jews to move to Israel from America. They don't want. That's why they're trying to get them to go on vacation when at the height of. While they're, you know, murdering all them people in Gaza. And then they wouldn't let him leave. They closed on the Air Force because Bibi wanted us to bomb the first time. And the reason I know is because two people that used to work for Kill Tony got trapped in Israel and Joe had to ask his buddy from one of his bodyguards, his ex Special Forces, to make contact to get them to Cyprus, where most of the Israelis ran when they ran away from Israel, as they should. It's a disaster.

[Jimmy Dore]

But by the. Guess what? They're bombing Cyprus. Oh, yeah. Iran bombed Cyprus because they know that's where there's a Yep. I bet you I. I bet you that's where Netanyahu is. I bet you he was in Cyprus and I bet you that's why they bombed Cyprus.

[Scott]

You don't spend a lot of time there in the country.

[Jimmy Dore]

He's not in Israel. Netanyahu is not in Israel. Somebody was suggesting he's in Germany. He might be in Germany, might be in Cyprus. Wouldn't that be ironic? He's in Germany. How ironic that the Jew runs to Germany for protection.

[Scott]

Well, to be fair, he's from there.

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[Max Blumenthal]

Hey, good to see you, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

So I want to just figure out what, so we've, I've had gotten conflicting stories. I've seen Congress Republican congressmen go on TV and say we don't want regime change in Iran. I've heard the opposite saying that we do want regime change in Iran. But what they're doing. So this is my question is what's their end game? Because they are now bombing police stations inside of Iran.

[Larry C. Johnson]

Yep.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so. So a bunch of them, not just one, a bunch of them. There's a bunch of them. There that they're hitting. And so Israel is now actively bombing every police station in Tehran. The aim has always been to create total chaos and the fragmentation of Iran into a regional warring factions, like they did in Syria, Libya and Iraq. And so is that what you think they're gonna do, that they're going to try to make turn like we did to Libya, Obama did to Libya, turned it into a failed state, same thing we did to Syria. We Balkanized it, we split it up. Do you think the goal is to not to actually install another dictator like we did before in Iran, but the goal is to actually make it ungovernable and destabilize it so we can try to split it up? What do you think the end game is?

[Max Blumenthal]

Yeah, that's, that's it. If they can achieve regime change. Well, first of all, Trump is so malleable and so void of any original thought that he was sold on the idea that he could actually have a Venezuela like solution to Iran, like a relatively quick resolution after liquidating Iran's leadership with brilliant Israeli assassination tactics. And then there'd be some kind of Delsey Rodriguez figure who would just step into the void and give him access and Israel access to all of Iran's wealth and all of its shipping lanes, and that would be it. And that shows you how he surrounded himself with neoconservative psychopaths and the brain dead droids that populate the think tanks, the lanyards of K Street who actually believe in their own lies. What he's doing is not only diabolical, it's delusional because you can clearly see that he has, he's receiving the exact opposite effect that he did in Venezuela by assassinating Ayatollah Alejamene. Someone who, if you go to Iran or go to any Shia community in the region, you will see is a, a very beloved figure. And killing him, for many people, I'm talking about millions and millions of people, is like killing their father. So he has electrified the Shia masses and he's, and they're, they're persisting with this strategy of regime change, thinking that they can get the Iranian people to just rise up as though they were living under some kind of dictatorship. Like the Shia population in Bahrain under US Control is by bombing police stations. They're not just bombing police stations, they're bombing Basij centers. These are the centers where young men who are mostly unarmed, who are very deeply invested in the Iranian revolution, the Shia ideology, they go there and they organize and they pray there and, and I'VE been by them, you know, just walking through Tehran. They're like, next door to pharmacies and schools. I actually saw one right across the street from a synagogue, which was a synagogue open to the public. So they're bombing the crap out of these residential neighborhoods, trying to cause some civil uprising, when all they're doing is murdering civilians, including many people who are critical of the Islamic Republic, who don't agree with the government. But now they're like, my God. Like, I'm. I'm, like, actually citing real reports I've seen from Tehran. I saw a guy at a restaurant whose head was. His d was decapitated and, you know, he was taken out of the restaurant with his head blown off. They blew up our apartment building and then blew up the rescue crew. These are real things that happened today. People are not going to rise up when they see that happening to their neighbors. They're going to see what the Islamic Republic's leadership meant when they said that they are fighting the Great Satan because these attacks are satanic. And another thing that's being done is attacks on Iranian border guards. Why Axios, which is like this access publication here in Washington where they just publish basically like press releases for power, just reported that Trump is aiming to cause a Kurdish uprising. So they want groups that have been armed by the CIA, Kurdish groups in Iraq, to storm into Iran and destabilize the country. And then there's isis. All of these ISIS fighters were moved from the prisons in Syria because apparently the US Couldn't trust the Al Qaeda jail guards to keep them there. They moved them to Iraq so they're closer to Iran, so they could try to bring ISIS in as well. So that's what Iran is up against. And what you're seeing is a complete repudiation of the entire neo conservative vision that Trump was sold on for now, where people are actually going out on their own free will as volunteers, to conduct traffic, to check cars for weapons. And you're seeing kind of like a revolutionary society come into view, deeply invested in ideology. The commanders who were killed in the irgc, the guys behind them are younger and they're more gung ho and more willing to fight to the death. And there's this giant popular base that now will reject any ceasefire because a ceasefire will be seen as humiliation. That's what Trump has unleashed. And as we speak, US Embassies are under attack from Saudi Arabia to Iraq to Karachi and Pakistan under attack by people. And the US Embassy in Riyadh just went up in flames because it was hit by a shahed drone. So that's what Trump has done for Israel. For Israel. I'm sure Scott mentioned it. I wasn't able to see his interview before me, but Marco Rubio, who's basically in control of the administration's foreign policy, JD Vance is like on the B team. Marco Rubio freely admitted that they did this war. The US Bombed because Israel told them, if you don't bomb, we will. And then you have to follow us. I mean, can you imagine a president making the case to the American public that we have to bomb because some crazy foreign country is going to carry out an attack on a third party? So we have to just support them and throw all of these American service members in harm's way along with all U.S. embassies, U.S. bases. And that's their case. They literally admitted we're fighting a war for Israel. And there's no way to deny it. Pete Hegseth, I don't know if you have this clip. I tweeted it earlier. Pete Hegseth was asked today in a press conference at the Pentagon. He's been avoiding the press and he fired the whole press corps. They banned the whole press corps at the Pentagon and he brought in Laura Loomer and a bunch of influencer clowns. He had to do a real press conference today. He was asked a simple question. What can you explain to young men and women who are being sent into harm's way as members of the military why they are fighting? And he just lost it on the reporter. He could not answer the question.

[Jimmy Dore]

So here, come to me and I'll show you. I think this is what you're talking about, right? This. Yeah, let's play this.

[Larry C. Johnson]

The American people also want to know

[Jimmy Dore]

what they're sending their men and women to war for. Is there a concern of this spiraling into a longer war and then one for the chairman when you're done?

[Max Blumenthal]

Did you not hear my remarks? We're ensuring the mission gets accomplished. But we are very clear eyed, as the President has been, unlike other presidents, about the foolish policies of the past that recklessly pulled us in to things that were not tethered to actual clear objectives. So we, we know, we have plans, we have generals, we have chairmans, we have commanders, CENTCOM commanders, Admiral Cooper, the American people.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what, what is the clear objective? Again, that we don't know. What, what is the clear objective? That. What does he mean by there's. There is no clear objective? Right.

[Max Blumenthal]

He, if there, if were there an objective, he would have said what the objective was. And he would have explained why this war needed to take place, but he couldn't. We have chairmans, he said. We have chairmans, we have generals. Why don't you go ask those guys? Well, actually the chairman is against this war. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Pentagon, Dan Kane, General Dan Kane is against this war. And he went out to like the whole mainstream press before Trump launched the attack because he knew it was coming. And he said this is going to be a disaster. And he was speaking purely from the point of view of military strategy and procurement because he understood that what is happening right now where the US is moving Thaad anti missile batteries from South Korea, repositioning its entire arsenal to defend Israel would have to happen because they would run out of munitions by the end of this week. The US is about to run out of munitions to defend the apartheid colony of Israel. And it's embarrassing for the Pentagon. They're leaking all over the place. I expect resignation soon. And they're under the control of this dry drunk DUI hire, Pete Hegseth, who can't even explain the mission as US service members die. This is a catastrophe. Donald Trump was sold on this by Lindsey Graham, who is a vehicle for Israeli foreign influence and is a traitor to America and a traitor to humanity. And he was pressured on this and pushed into this by Zionist controlled Murdoch media with the idea that all he needed to do is carry out limited strikes. There would be these spectacular AI controlled assassinations of Iranian leadership and then Iranian, the Iranian people would rise up. He was told on the lie that Iranians had risen up in January and that Iran's government had killed 30,000 Iranians. Complete lie. There were riots that were put down and many police officers were killed, but they were put down. And he was just sold on this lie of instant regime change. He thought the war would last two to four days. And now he has come out in an interview with the New York Post, I think more Murdoch media and said he can't rule out boots on the ground.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right, that's right. He, he, he, he said that in fact here, here it is. Donald Trump says he would deploy ground troops if necessary. That's from Time magazine, but he told that actually to the Post. So I think that would, that would probably officially end his presidency. I think that they for sure that the Republicans would lose the midterms and then they would impeach him and it would be over,

[Max Blumenthal]

inshallah, as they say. But I think it would end US Empire.

[Jimmy Dore]

I agree. I mean, I think.

[Max Blumenthal]

I mean, I hope it doesn't happen. I don't want to see American troops getting killed. American troops don't want to do this. The Pentagon leadership doesn't want to do this. But Trump is under the control of a foreign nation,

[Jimmy Dore]

and no doubt.

[Max Blumenthal]

And he's been lured into this scenario in which there's no way out unless he wants to basically admit defeat. So, because he's losing right now, I

[Jimmy Dore]

mean, this is a. So the whole. What they, what Donald Trump, when he gave that speech about why we're going to war, where he wore his baseball hat, he said that, he said it many times over during that speech that they cannot have a nuclear weapon. They cannot have a nuclear weapon. But right now at the White House website, it says Iran's nuclear facilities have been obliterated and suggests otherwise. Suggests otherwise. So that's what they remember when he. So when he bombed Iran last June, they said they obliterated their. They were obliterated. So there's no way in this short a time that they could have reconstituted their entire nuclear program. And so, so imagine. So this was. Richard says, imagine starting a major war with Iran over their nuclear program when this is on the official White House website. So it's obviously not about what they say. They don't have an end game, except their end game being to totally destabilize the Middle east, because they did it to Libya is totally destabilized. Syria is totally destabilized. I don't know what the state of Iraq is. Iraq is. But they're going to do that, too. What they did to Syria and Libya, they're going to do to Iran and, and, and then, then, and then that's it. I mean, I don't know. How does that, how does that. Do you think that actually helps Israel? What's Israel going to do?

[Max Blumenthal]

Well, Netanyahu, in Hebrew, of course, he won't say this in English. In Hebrew, he made one of the most important statements of his career in a message to the Israeli public introducing whatever stupid name they came up with, Operation Roaring Lion.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Max Blumenthal]

He made one of the most important statements where he said that Trump is enacting the plan that I put into place 40 years ago. He just said it, okay? He, he's taking credit for everything Trump is doing. And everyone who is watching this right now needs to just constantly cite that statement and constantly just reinforce the point that Trump has become a vehicle for Israeli influence. And the Israeli agenda, as Netanyahu has been determined to enact for his entire career is to get the US as deeply involved in a bloody conflict or a series of bloody conflicts in the Middle east as possible, and to make the American public bay for blood as revenge for the killing of their soldiers. Because Netanyahu is afraid, justifiably, that the US Will lose interest and the American public will lose interest and turn against spending $4 billion a year and all sorts of other tax incentives and buying bonds to support his crappy little psychotic apartheid colony, when what the US Empire really wants to do is pivot to Asia and compete with China. And so Netanyahu is winning right now, as the US Is losing. The US Is repositioning critical military assets. I mean, think from a purely imperial point of view right now, not from a Max Blumenthal point of view or Jimmy Dore point of view. Imperial point of view. You want your Thaad missile batteries, the most advanced air defense system. You want them in the Pacific Rim. You want them countering China, you want them in Taiwan, you want them in South Korea and Japan. And then, you know, beyond that, you probably want them in Ukraine, and you want your Patriot batteries in Ukraine, because Russia is the next biggest threat, and you're basically in a war with Russia. And they're repositioning all of that to defend Israel. They're even repositioning or abandoning the Gulf allies who've been paying Trump so much money through corruption channels like his World Liberty Financial crypto network, they're abandoning everyone for Israel. And

[Jimmy Dore]

so I want to show you how the deep state actually keeps information away from you. The gray zone caught this. It was great. So there's this thing called the National Endowment for Democracy that's called the ned. And the NED was invented by the CIA so that they could go do the stuff that the CIA wanted to do in other countries, like overthrow their country, foment riots and things like that, destabilize other countries and do regime change. And so instead of having the CIA do it, they invented this thing called the National Endowment for Democracy. And then they would do a lot of the stuff that the CIA did, but under the guise of, we're spreading democracy. But, you know, everybody's actually forgotten what democracy means. It means we're freeing you from your previous government and installing new ones that serve us over here in America. That's what democracy means now. And there you go. So let's listen to a National Endowment for Democracy leader gets cut off. So the head of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is a CIA cutout, it's just like being a leader of the CIA gets cut off giving congressional testimony after boasting of deploying 200 Starlinks to Iran amid violence. So let's remember what happened in Iran. The United States crashed their economy, right? So we did all these sanctions because we're the reserve currency of the world. So last year, at the end of last year, Scott Besant, the Secretary of treasury, bragged that we made their banks fail, we made their currency fail. And so that, that screwed up their entire economy and screwed everybody's pensions up. And so then people got into the streets to protest this. And then the Mossad in the United States, the ned, gave them Starlink so they could coordinate their rioting against the President, against their, against their own government. Do you get that? So they were using Elon Musk Starlink, the Mossad. And so they were doing that and they were killed. They were. They were committing violence against the government and the police. And then the police had to strike back. And so everybody said, oh, the government of Iran is killing their own protesters. Well, their protesters were funded by the CIA, the NED and the Mossad, and they were using their Starlinks so they could coordinate. So, so let's, let's watch how funny this is. Okay, here we go.

[Max Blumenthal]

I believe, Mr. Chair, that we just got a notification that the State Department is actually funding a new program to I guess with Starlink. Is that what it's called? Can you explain that? I wouldn't want to speak on behalf of the State Department, but what I would share is that we've been investing

[Jeffrey Toobin]

in communication tools over years that allow

[Max Blumenthal]

for information to be sent into Iran even when Internet connectivity is blocked.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

We specifically began supporting the deployment, the

[Max Blumenthal]

operation of about 200 Starlinks early on. All right, you know what? I'm going to interrupt you. We better not talk about it. Okay, so

[Jimmy Dore]

what you're saying too much. Don't tell people that we're. The illegality stuff that we're doing. Don't tell people that we were actually the ones behind the protests in Iran. Don't tell people that. Did you see that? Well, okay, I'm gonna stop. You stop. You said too much. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She had to. I gotta stop this. This idiot, this guy, he's telling the truth. That's not what this is about. What is. What are you doing? Telling the truth. This frickin guy. Get him out of here. So the gray zone did an article on this neader cut off in Congress after boasting of deploying 200 starlinks to amid violence. Wow. So here he was, he bragged to this to the House committee of his group's aggressive efforts to spark unrest in Iran. That's what he's. He's bragging about, that they sparked unrest in Iran and never trust anybody that's sparking anything except a joint. And even then. So here's from the gray zone, Damon Wilson, the head of the National Endowment for Democracy. The CIA cutout was interrupted by a member of Congress during a House oversight committee on February 24 after revealing that his agency, quote, began supporting the deployment and operation of about 200 Starlinks early on amid the violence which swept through Iran last month. Before he could finish the sentence, he was cut off by the ranking member of the House Subcommittee on State Foreign Operations and Related Programs. So that's Representative Lois Franke who told Wilson, you know what, I'm going to interrupt you. We better not talk about that. Nice. Wow. Wow. Wilson's comments had been prompted by a question from Frank, who requested details of what appears to be a new and apparently secretive initiative by the State Department to provide Starlink terminals to Iranians. Wilson appeared to take credit for both the recent unrest and Iran and subsequent media framing of the chaos. What we're seeing today, the Endowment has been making investments over years that have ensured that there have been secure communications, including Starlink's, that allowed information to go both in and out of the country. Wow. You just said. They just say it. According to the New York Times, the Elon Musk produced Internet systems had been smuggled into the country by a ragtag network of activists, developers and engineers. Pierce Duran's digital barricades. That's what, that's, that's what the New York Times says. But now we know it's brought in right by the CIA and the Mossad. But the New York Times will tell you it's these ragtags, it's just these nobody. The National Endowment for Democracy was founded in 1982 under the auspices of then CI Director William Casey to topple socialists and independent governments throughout through the direct sponsorship of non government organizations, media organizations and political parties. So what the NED does is they come, give millions, sometimes billions of dollars and they go, hey, go buy some, go buy some rifles and bombs and go overthrow your government. Hey, let's. We're going to buy the media and we're going to fill it with propaganda. So you overthrow your government. Hey, we're going to sponsor a political party that's going to overthrow your government. That's what they do, that's their idea of democracy. A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA. We who said that the NED's co founder said that in 1991. Much of the work that the NED does was done by the CIA 25 years ago. Despite its mission of promoting transparency and fundamental freedoms abroad, the NED is now a dark money group which conceals the names of its local partners under a duty of care policy announced in 2025. During his congressional testimony this February, Wilson insisted the policy was necessary for the security of grantees on the ground.

[Max Blumenthal]

Really?

[Jimmy Dore]

Wow. Okay. The ned's work to smuggle Starlink terminals into Iran is therefore covert operation aimed at promoting unrest. And according to Wilson, it is now a key part of the Endowment's most aggressive, aggressive initiative. Iran has become a huge priority for the Endowment. Iran has been, since I arrived at the Endowment, our favorite, fastest growing program. It's now one of our largest programs globally that involves both direct partners, Iranian groups, as well as our core institutes. No kidding. Wilson said this organization was instrumental in bringing about the 2002 Woman Life Freedom Movement, which saw Iranians initially mobilized against the Islamic Republic's mandatory hijab law before the protests deteriorated into violent riots. If you think about the impact of our work in Iran, the reason the Women Life Freedom Movement began with a simple headscarf. That story of Maza Amini could have been lost as a regional story in Iran, but the NED partners helped cover that story. Get it out to the world and get it back into Iran, Wilson said, referring to the Iranian Kurdish woman who died in police custody from an apparent medical condition after being detained for violating the. The mandatory hijab law. So it was. That was all fomented by our CIA cut out the NED. Violent regime change. Riots erupted again this January 8th and 9th across Iran, resulting in the burning of police stations, hundreds of mosques and worship sites, government buildings, marketplaces, and lethal mob assaults on unarmed guards as well as. So the violence was created by the CIA cutouts and the Mossad. They're the ones doing this. It wasn't just organic people rising up, doing violence against their government. It was the CIA and the Mossad creating violence. And then when the. When the state had to push back against the people creating violence, then Trump says, oh, they're killing their own people. So just so you know how this works. The violence only stopped when Iranian security services imposed an Internet blackout and neutralized thousands of Starlink terminals. The Iranian government has provided the names and identification numbers of over 3,000 citizens who were killed during the two days of rioting. But as the Gray zone reported, the NED funded non government organization Human rights activists in Iran initially claimed the death toll was over twice as high. Now as mainstream outlets like the Guardian cite dubious monarchist sources to exaggerate the death toll even further, the ned's Wilson has revealed that his organization is working with human rights networks to provide international media and other credible sources of what's happened. According to Wilson, documenting 17,000 deaths upwards potentially of 30,000 remains under review by our partners right now. Note there was a bunch of people that were funded by the Mossad, funded by the CIA and given starlinks that were doing and given guns that were doing violence against unarmed guards inside Iran. And so Iran's armed guards had to respond and they had to kill 3,000 of them elsewhere. In his testimony, Wilson appeared to take credit for the election of the right wing government in Bolivia and that his NED did so to ensure US control over the country's mineral wealth. So there we are, overthrowing governments, instituting puppets so we can steal their minerals. That's exactly what it's always like in Bolivia. He declared. Our partners prevented lithium from falling under Moscow's control. Wilson also revealed that the NED is funding and training media in Nicaragua with an eye on undermining the country's socialist orientated Sandinista government. We have an incredible suite of Nicaraguan journalists with coverage networks inside the country. So you see how this works, right? Jose Vegas says here's me confronting Damon Wilson, that guy, the head of the National Endowment for Democracy with my friend Kinnan, over being a pathetic cover for CIA operations abroad. You know our friend Jose. Excuse me.

[Max Blumenthal]

What about the corruption that the United

[Jimmy Dore]

States brings to all these other nations in the world? Afghanistan, we've taken over $9 billion. And they're foreign assets because we supposedly

[Max Blumenthal]

don't like the government so we can condemn their population into starvation.

[Jimmy Dore]

What about, what about Iraq? We went in there under false pretenses, under weapons of mass destruction and we've left destruction in that nation. What about Syria? Right now there's a terrible earth.

[Max Blumenthal]

We're not here for that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Can you just sit down? Listen to the 12 people. And we're not sending them any aid because of these.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Please sit down sir.

[Jimmy Dore]

You can be sorted out. There is no democracy that we're putting. It's just fascism. The United States is a fascist country. The world has rejected your democracy. Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. Everything you've tried to do has failed and you will be Forgotten. You are a plague. And guess what? The world has superseded your bullshit. No one will take it anymore. There is no democracy you're promoting. You've only brought death, and you know that. But guess what? It hasn't worked. You're going to die off like the plague. You are. You are. Just like Ozymandias. Nothing will remain. Nice work. Nicely done. Nice work. Well done. Boy, the truth certainly is rude. In America, whenever someone starts telling the truth, they got to get them out of there. They really got to get him out of. That was. Wow. So I wonder if that security team agrees with him. I bet they do. Well done. So there you go. If you like a little peek behind the curtain of how the United States are the world's terrorists, there it is. And how they all goof about, they all gather, laughing about. I got to stop you there. You're telling the truth about how we're actually the world's terrorists and we're the one destabilizing the Middle East. And again and again and again and again. Even though Donald Trump ran, the reason he got elected was because he stood up to those people who destabilized the Middle east and said, you lied and you stabilized. It was the biggest mistake we ever made. So he got elected. And of course, he keeps doing the same thing anyway, no matter who you vote for, you get John McCain. So we just got done talking about what is the end game for the United States. This is the game you've been talking about. This. Here it is. This is the game that Israel is playing. And they've been playing this game since 1948, if. If not longer. And it's called the Greater Israel Project. Reminder that the greater is that Israel is currently building the Greater Israel. That's why they're shifting focus to Lebanon after having wiped out Palestine. Then Syria, Yemen. So this is a tweet from 2024. This is from two years ago. So they go to Syria. They already did it. They got their half of Syria. They split up Syria. They have control of the part of Syria they want. That is the part of Greater Israel. They. There's. They're still bombing Yemen. We did Iraq for them. So they're going to go after Turkey next and Egypt and Saudi Arabia. But here it is. This is the Greater Israel Project. So it goes into Egypt, it goes into Syria. They got it. It goes into Iraq, and it also goes into Saudi Arabia. So if Saudi Arabia thinks that they're on the same side as Israel and the United States, they're wrong, because here I'll show you right now. Here's Avril Limpkin, I forget he's a politician and a writer. And here he's going to tell you exactly what the goal is of Israel.

[Max Blumenthal]

Eventually our borders will extend from Lebanon to the great desert, which is Saudi Arabia, and then from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates. And who's on the other side of the Euphrates? The Kurds. And the Kurds are our friends. So we have the Mediterranean behind us, the Kurds in front of us, Lebanon, which really needs the umbrella of protection of Israel. And then we're going to take, I believe we're going to take Mecca, Medina and Mount Sinai.

[Jimmy Dore]

So he's talking about they're going to go in and take over half of, of Saudi Arabia. That's what he's saying right there, that they're going to go in and take over half of Iraq, they're going to take over half of Syria. They've done it. They're going to take over some of Egypt. And that's so. And now they're going to go after. So that he just, that's their. He's literally telling you they're going to go after Mecca and they're going to go after Saudi Arabia, which. Can Saudi Arabia be that naive to think that that's not their plan? That that's not that. Go ahead, Max.

[Max Blumenthal]

They're paying for that naivete right now. I mean, their oil facilities are getting blown up by Israel air defense systems as the shrapnel falls to the ground.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Max Blumenthal]

I mean, this is, you know, this is the, this is what you get for being a complete vassal and tool and paying into this oil protection racket. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know who that whack job is, but he is articulating a real vision of the religious nationalist camp that controls the Israeli government or effectively, you know, is really like the incipient rising force in Jewish Israeli society. Like, this is what they think. And it's not just the religious nationalists, it's even the secular camp in Israel. Yair Lapid is one of the main opposition figures in Israel. He's considered an opposition figure to Netanyahu. He has said the same thing this week, that there is a biblical vision of a Greater Israel between the Euphrates and the Nile, and it is legitimate. The Israeli flag has hijacked the Jewish Star of David, the symbol of my faith community, and placed it between two blue lines which symbolize the Nile and the Euphrates. The original Jewish National Fund charter for where Israel's borders would be. I believe it was from 1913, identifies it as anywhere in biblical Israel between the Nile and the Euphrates. So this is a vision that was also articulated by Mike Huckabee, U.S. israeli reciprocal ambassador. I mean, we can't even determine. It looks like he's representing Israel against the United States and he said it would be fine if they took all

[Jimmy Dore]

of it over in fact here.

[Max Blumenthal]

So that's the vision. But how is it going to play out? Israel tried to settle the Sinai. They were overstretched. They did have settlements there at one point. They lost them after the 73 war. But what they want to do is gain control over the governments that control this territory and be able to have access to it, settle it. They've like moved into the Golan because they got a weak government in Syria under this rebranded Al Qaeda. But it doesn't mean that they're actually going to necessarily settle the entire thing and what they call Judaize it, where they're annexing the west bank. It's about domination, making the Arab Muslim states subservient. And they're using the US Military as their battering ram to accomplish this. However, if they fail in this campaign against Iran, the lesson that the Gulf states will learn is hosting U.S. bases on our territory and normalizing with Israel is a huge liability. Like in Dubai, you're seeing hotels and various apartments get hit. These are not civilian targets. Iran has gained intelligence and they're hitting not only CIA bases, they're hitting Mossad bases. Places where Israeli intelligence has its officers in the United Arab Emirates, which is normalized with Israel under the so called Abraham Accords, or what would be better known as known as the Epstein Accords. And then finally, you know, if someone wants to call me a white nationalist for saying this, I mean, it's just so unfortunate that you have major US and Israeli officials who are basically the embodiment of anti Semitic stereotypes saying everything that a neo Nazi would want to hear a Jew say to validate their worst critiques of Jewish people. They're just saying it out loud. And, and I hate that. That's one reason I'm against Zionism. Another reason.

[Jimmy Dore]

What would be an example, what would be an example of what they're saying when they conflate Judaism with Zionism? You mean things like that?

[Max Blumenthal]

That and saying they're openly saying they would like to take over the entire region. They're openly saying that Trump is following their plan and doing it for them. I mean, this is open, but here's another person who's not exactly, you know, coming at this from the Max Blumenthal or Jimmy Dore perspective. It's Mark Warner, one of the richest men in the Senate, a conservative Democrat from Virginia, someone who's part of the war party and the uniparty. He said this today. There was no imminent threat to the United States by the Iranians. There was a threat to Israel. If we equate a threat to Israel as the equivalent of an imminent threat to the US Then we are in uncharted territory. So he's basically saying we went to war for Israel. Trump went to war for Israel. I mean, they're saying it. He's part of the Gang of Eight that was briefed by Marco Rubio, who told them we have to go to war for Israel. They're openly saying it right now. Well, the mask is off. Everybody can see what Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer saw when they wrote the Israel Lobby and had their careers as the two, two of the top international relations professors in the United States utterly destroyed. Everyone can see it now.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, this is jimmy. Who's this?

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Jimmy, it's jeffrey tubin.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ah, friend of the show and CNN contributor Jeffrey Toobin. We haven't heard from you in a while.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

I know, I've been very busy.

[Jimmy Dore]

You're busy with what?

[Jeffrey Toobin]

You know. Anywho, I wanted to call to talk to you about the latest developments in the Jeffrey Epstein saga, which I suppose at this point in the news cycle would be the resignation of Larry Summers from his position in Harvard.

[Jimmy Dore]

This is a great impression. Okay, sounds good. Do you have any particular information or analysis of this case that we don't?

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Not particularly, but I do think I have a unique, shall we say, insight into the entire situation.

[Jimmy Dore]

And while. Why is that?

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Because it's about male perverts, Jimmy. Once I learned that there was a news story about middle aged men having sexual relations with young women, I knew that I was going to learn everything I possibly could about it.

[Jimmy Dore]

I see.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

And the Larry Summers episode is one of the most particularly interesting aspects of the whole thing because the Epstein files reveal that he, a frequent visitor to Little St. James island, is in fact a pervert. And let's be clear, a lot of the men and women who were emailing Jeffrey Epstein were doing so legitimately because of philanthropic or financial or intellectual reasons. And that's not interesting to me. That's not arousing in any way. And quite frankly, I get a little irritated when those individuals are subject to public scorn because it's sort of like stolen valor. They didn't even do anything awesome. I mean, awful. But Larry Summers is beyond the shadow of a doubt, a pervert. And it's absolutely crazy to me that it took him this long to resign.

[Jimmy Dore]

What do you mean?

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Well, Jimmy, let's be clear. An early tranche of released Epstein material showed that Larry Summers was sexually pursuing a grad student of his and soliciting Epstein for advice in that matter. And Epstein referred to himself as Summers, quote, wingman. Really revolting stuff. So here you have a man who clearly sees students as sexual targets and literally has a position at the most prestigious teaching establishment in the United States.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Given all this, no one should have stepped down. No one should have stepped down or resigned because of Epstein affiliation faster than Larry Summers. But it has taken an insane amount of time to do so. And probably only because the possibility of more material coming out. So the very fact that he was able to remain there without getting forced to leave gives us hope.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hope. Well, I'm sorry, I don't understand.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

And another good example is Prince Andrew. Or should I say the former Prince Andrew. He was actually arrested in the UK Causing many in this country to say, if there, why not here?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, many of us feel that way.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

But not so fast. You need to take this nice and slow. Andrew was not arrested for sexual crimes. He was arrested for abuse in office. Meaning he's under suspicion of sharing classified UK information with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, I'm not that familiar with UK law, but I think we can all agree there's nothing arousing about that change or that charge whatsoever.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, hold on.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

I'm sorry, but I said the word arousing several times, didn't I?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, and I find that very disturbing.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Okay, yes. Well, that just underscores the difficulties many of us experience while trying to report on or prove, provide analysis for the whole Epstein case. In light of what has been revealed in all these redacted files, the subject

[Jimmy Dore]

matter is incredibly disturbing.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Or amazing, depending on how you're looking at it. I mean, going to a tropical paradise and getting massage. Or maybe even more from a college age, say, redhead, or even younger than that. Whoa, Easy, easy, buddy. What are you trying to do here? Is this phone call 95 cents a minute?

[Jimmy Dore]

Good grief.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Look, many of us in the news media are also members of the middle aged male pervert community. As with any story, we of course attempt to remain objective. But no one can be successful in that endeavor 100%. So try as I may, it's simply inevitable that I will let slip occasionally that I find the entire Jeffrey Epstein saga to be sexually enthralling.

[Jimmy Dore]

This is really gross.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

Well, look, I'm sorry. You asked for my analysis and I did my best.

[Jimmy Dore]

I didn't ask for you for anything. You called me to talk about this.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

I know. That's part of the kink.

[Jimmy Dore]

All right, well, we better be going, Jeff. We better be going. Jeffrey, every time I talk to you, I feel like I've been used in the most disgusting, disgusting way. Goodbye.

[Jeffrey Toobin]

All right, take care. I probably should get going anyway. I'm about to be very busy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Jeez. Hey. Become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Do not freak out. I'm not kidding. Do not do that.

[Max Blumenthal]

I'm not.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Max Blumenthal]

I'm not.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm not.

[Max Blumenthal]

I'm not.

[Jimmy Dore]

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