The Jimmy Dore Show
Episode: "Candace DESTROYS TPUSA Leaders' LIES About Her Interview!"
Date: December 8, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore
Key Guests/Impersonations: Mike McRae (impersonating multiple voices), Stu Peters (recorded), "Kevin Spacey" (comedy segment by McRae)
Episode Overview
This episode dives deep into the ongoing feud between Candace Owens and Turning Point USA (TPUSA), specifically the organization's leaders and their supposed mishandling and obfuscation around Owens’ interview requests and allegations. Jimmy Dore exposes what he frames as a series of lies and unethical tactics from TPUSA leaders, particularly around attempts to silence and discredit Candace Owens. The show also covers broader issues involving media manipulation, FBI narratives about the January 6th pipe bomber, and U.S. foreign policy motives in Venezuela, with signature irreverence and scathing political humor.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. TPUSA vs. Candace Owens: The Interview Fiasco
- Jimmy Dore’s Big Take: TPUSA’s leaders are actively ducking Candace Owens rather than facing her allegations head-on. Owens compiled a list of their lies, but TPUSA avoids genuine engagement.
- "TP USA is flipping out and everyone sees through them. And Candace Owen has nailed them again." — Jimmy Dore [02:00]
- TPUSA’s Maneuver:
- Blake Neff (TPUSA/Charlie Kirk Show producer) responded publicly, inviting Owens for an in-person discussion in Phoenix, but at a time inconvenient to her — announced late at night, with no attempt at private coordination.
- Owens responded that she was available for a virtual stream to accommodate, stating she would even skip her own show. TPUSA refused, insisting on in-person only.
- Tactics on Display:
- Public announcements of debate times before privately confirming with Owens (Dore calls this a "box you in" move).
- When Owens accepts, TPUSA redefines the terms (“We are not booking a guest. We are delivering a response…”).
- Dore’s Commentary: Strongly critical, accuses TPUSA of bad faith, semantic games, and being “shady as F.”
- “You're supposed to contact them, find a mutually agreeable date and time. You don't need to publicly announce the date before it's confirmed. It's transparently obvious what you're doing here." [08:10]
- Notable Ratio: Dore highlights social media metrics where TPUSA figures were “ratioed” — their tweets attracting far more negative responses than likes, signaling public distrust. Dore boasts ratioing Blake Neff himself. [09:36]
Notable Quote
"She accepted it. You guys declined. She accepted it. She accepted it... So of course. So people are sniffing this out."
— Jimmy Dore [11:13]
Memorable Moment
- Dore lampoons TPUSA for demanding Owens be present in-person, when the norm for news is virtual interviews (mentions Piers Morgan, Fox News, etc.). [15:03]
2. The “12 Lies” List: Candace Owens v/s TPUSA's Public Narrative
- Recap of Lies: Dore reads out a compilation of what Owens claims are verifiable TPUSA lies, covering issues like finances, the role of key figures, factual inaccuracies surrounding an incident involving Charlie Kirk, and supposed fabrications about security protocols and relationships behind the scenes.
- Examples include: "Charlie was a committed evangelical who only liked Catholic architecture," "Charlie's neck stops a 3006 bullet because Charlie ate salad," and financial audits.
- Deeper Allegations: Dore adds that TPUSA lied about drone coverage during a security incident, contradicting each other’s statements in podcasts and media appearances.
- “He wasn't directing anything. Charlie's body was in and gone before he ever stopped walking away. He didn't do anything.” [22:08]
3. Media Manipulation – The January 6th Pipe Bomber Narrative
- BlazeTV Investigation: BlazeTV alleged a former Capitol Police officer (now CIA) matched forensic evidence for January 6th pipe bomber.
- FBI Suddenly Finds a Suspect: Months later, FBI arrests Brian Cole Jr., a 30-year-old black man, sparking skepticism given five years' delay and contradictory evidence.
- Dore’s Framing: Claims the FBI manipulates narratives to protect establishment interests or perpetuate certain political agendas.
- “None of this seems real. So is what he's saying real?... So what are we to believe? I don't know.” [32:04]
- Skepticism About FBI Motives: Cites Thomas Massie’s disbelief: “Three things I'll never believe about the 1-5-6 pipe bomb story. 1 the bomber was a lone wolf. 2 the FBI was this incompetent for four years on the case, this consequential and 3 perpetrators were pro Trump.” [34:38]
- Contrasting Reports: CNN calls suspect a “white man”; Dore mocks the obvious racial confusion in media reporting. [36:25]
4. U.S. Foreign Policy and Venezuela: Zionism, Oil & Power
- Stu Peters Segment: Stu Peters argues that Trump’s fixation on regime change in Venezuela is about securing oil, but also rooted in Zionist interests; he details statements by Venezuela’s Maduro equating Zionism with Nazism, criticizing Israel’s actions in Gaza.
- “Maduro labeled Zionism as more dangerous than Nazism... They’ve sown an ideology more dangerous than Nazism. You can't do that.” — Stu Peters (as quoted by Dore) [45:41]
- Dore’s Analysis: Echoes that the U.S. agenda in Venezuela is dictated both by resource hunger and deep financial interests (central banks, IMF, private equity) interwoven with Israel’s regional goals.
- “If you look at it from that... Now you have now you know... because I couldn't get over what Trump's obsession with Venezuela is besides the oil.” [56:04]
- Critical Debate on Language: Dore and Mike McRae debate (in character) the need to distinguish between anti-Zionism and antisemitism; rebuke using “the Jews” as a scapegoat, pointing instead to “Zionists” and multi-faith international syndicates.
- “If you say the Jews, you're an asshole. You're not helping.” — Mike McRae [49:09]
- “Most of the Jews I know aren't for this.” — Jimmy Dore [49:25]
5. Satirical Segment: “Kevin Spacey” in Exile
- Premise: Mike McRae, impersonating disgraced actor Kevin Spacey, delivers a comedic update on his new life as a musical act in Cyprus and Tel Aviv.
- Joke about Israel being a "haven" for men fleeing sex crime allegations ("No extradition treaty. Yes, please. So, yeah, there's a real sense of community here. It's a real scene, if you can dig it. We are pedophiles.") [61:49]
- Dore’s Satirical Response: Feigning sympathy, Dore heaps snark on Spacey’s “success” entertaining “war criminals and being a sex criminal yourself.” [62:55]
Key Timestamps for Important Segments
- TPUSA Interview Fiasco & Candace vs. TPUSA: [02:00] – [16:48]
- 12 Lies of TPUSA Recap: [16:48] – [20:50]
- January 6th Pipe Bomber/FBI Narrative: [24:03] – [41:20]
- Venezuela, Israel, Zionism, and U.S. Foreign Policy: [41:20] – [57:14]
- Kevin Spacey Satirical Comedy Bit: [57:40] – [63:06]
Memorable Quotes
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On TPUSA's Tactics:
"You're supposed to contact them, find a mutually agreeable date and time. You don't need to publicly announce the date before it's confirmed. It's transparently obvious what you're doing here, but you're all shady as F..."
— Jimmy Dore [08:10] -
On FBI's New 'Suspect':
"If you believe the FBI, you are the chump of all chumps. And I believe the only people who actually say they believe it are people being paid to say they believe it."
— Jimmy Dore [40:43] -
On Blame and Language in Middle East Debate:
"If you say the Jews, you're an asshole. You're not helping. Zionists, the due dissidents... Boys are Jews. They're not for this. Saying the Jews, everyone... It's not cool. You're helping Zionists when you do that."
— Mike McRae [49:09]
Episode Tone & Style
- Outrageous, irreverent, satirical, and combative.
- Heavy on sarcasm, internet humor (“ratioed”) and Dore’s signature mix of performative anger, political skepticism, and comedic improvisation.
Summary for New Listeners
This episode is a high-energy deep-dive into the Candace Owens vs. TPUSA saga, unraveling the organization's evasive and manipulative tactics through Owens' and Dore’s perspectives. The show bolsters its skepticism of establishment media and political narratives by dissecting both the January 6th pipe bomber media story and the real motivations behind U.S. hostility toward Venezuela, tying American foreign policy to global finance and pro-Israel politics. The episode is peppered with biting humor, especially in its comedic phone call “from” Kevin Spacey, and urges listeners to be critical of mainstream explanations and narratives.