Candace Owens Reveals Charlie Kirk's Anti-Israel Texts!

Summary

The Jimmy Dore Show

Episode: “Candace Owens Reveals Charlie Kirk’s Anti-Israel Texts!”

Date: October 8, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore
Key Contributors: Kurt, Mike McRae, Jeff Bridges (impersonation), Louis C.K. (impersonation), and others

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Jimmy Dore Show centers on the major revelation by Candace Owens: leaked internal communications from Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, showing him rejecting pro-Israel positions shortly before his assassination. Jimmy and the panel examine these revelations, discuss the subsequent lack of investigation among Kirk’s closest allies, and scrutinize the broader implications for American media, government transparency (including the cover-up of Epstein files), and U.S.-Israel relations. The episode also includes a deep dive into the CIA’s history and present influence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Candace Owens, Turning Point USA, and Charlie Kirk’s Texts

• Candace Owens' “Receipts” ([08:00–14:00])
  • Owens released screenshots from an internal TPUSA chat in which Charlie Kirk laments losing a major Jewish donor due to refusal to cancel Tucker Carlson, and bluntly states he’s leaving the pro-Israel cause.
  • Kirk accuses Jewish donors of “playing into all of the stereotypes” and asserts he “cannot and will not be bullied like this.”
  • Owens claims these texts were sent 48 hours before Kirk’s assassination.
• Reaction & Significance
  • Jimmy highlights the silence from Kirk’s wife, Turning Point USA, and mainstream media in pursuing the truth about the assassination.
  • “Isn’t that weird that his wife isn’t trying to find out the truth about what happened to him? Nobody at Turning Point USA gives a crap about the BS story that the FBI is pushing.” (Jimmy Dore, [12:50])
  • Questions about the lack of public autopsy and the strangeness of surrounding events, including Kirk’s wife’s past, are raised.
  • “Why is Candace Owens the only person who cares about getting to the bottom of this?” (Jimmy Dore, [13:40])

2. Skepticism Toward Official Narratives

• Autopsy and Conspiracy ([13:01–16:20])
  • Kurt and Jimmy question the plausibility of the official account: “There was an autopsy, but you’re not allowed to see it…” (Jimmy Dore, [13:07])
  • The “miracle bullet” theory (reminiscent of the JFK magic bullet) is ridiculed.
  • Speculation on a professional hit vs. the lone gunman narrative.
• Allegations Against Kirk’s Wife
  • Past involvement in a Romanian “charity” with connections to trafficking is discussed, as well as her family’s ties to defense and intelligence industries. “Her mom’s heavy into defense contracting and…dad is Raytheon guy in Israel. Right?” (Kurt/Jimmy, [16:40])

3. Media and Political Silence

• Why No Coverage? ([16:57–17:35])
  • Jimmy repeatedly asks why no major network—Fox, CNN, or The New York Times—is investigating, implying complicity or fear.
  • “Maybe she’s afraid…if she is then I cut her all the slack in the world. But it is weird…” (Jimmy Dore, [17:38])

4. Trump, Netanyahu, and the Israel-Palestine Conflict

• Media Narrative vs. Reality ([20:14–28:41])
  • Reports claim Trump forced Netanyahu toward peace; contemporaneous Israeli government statements and actions contradict claims of a ceasefire.
  • “Israel will not honor any agreement unless it is forced to do so. Its behavior in South Lebanon…is the proof.” (Jimmy Dore quoting Max Blumenthal, [27:58])
  • Discussion of Trump’s unwillingness to use U.S. leverage (aid funding) to actually pressure Israel, spinning this as evidence he isn’t truly “the boss.”
  • “And what leverage would that be? The leverage would be, you pulled the funding, you stop the funding. That would be the leverage. And he won’t do it.” (Jimmy Dore, [28:41])

5. Media Power and the “Jewish Lobby”

• Control of Narrative ([34:34–35:31])
  • Larry Ellison now controls significant segments of U.S. media and TikTok, further centralizing media power.
  • Jimmy openly discusses how calling out “the Jewish lobby” as controlling media is increasingly met with accusations of anti-Semitism, but says the facts speak for themselves.
  • “Because now the biggest Zionist in the world, Larry Ellison, owns TikTok and owns a 16th of the American media.” ([35:14])

6. Epstein Files and Congressional Cover-up

• Shutdown as Delay Tactic ([36:23–43:49])
  • The House is in recess, with Speaker Mike Johnson accused of stalling to prevent a vote on the Epstein files, which has just enough signatures to pass if the newest member is sworn in.
  • “We’re gonna see a cure for cancer before we see the Epstein files.” (Jimmy Dore, [36:30])
  • Kim Iverson and others accuse Johnson and Trump of collaborating to cover up deep state blackmail operations tied to Epstein.
  • Panel discusses the disturbing implication that only one member’s vote stands between the public and these files, highlighting government compromise.
  • “That means there’s 217 members who don’t want to expose it.” (Kurt, [41:08])

7. CIA: History, Competency, and Ongoing Operations

• The “Deep State”

  • The episode includes a discussion with a former CIA officer (Mike McRae impersonates/interprets) about the agency’s continued involvement in regime change, subversion, and global destabilization.
  • Panel mocks the idea that the CIA is now “too incompetent” for coups and recounts their historical and recent operations in Syria, Libya, and elsewhere.
  • “The CIA may be incompetent, that I grant you. But to say they don’t carry out covert action designed to undermine, overthrow the governments of sovereign states is a whole new level of stupid.” (Scott Ritter, cited by Jimmy Dore, [49:05])
  • “It’s not like the James Bond movies. Everybody’s either nuts or stupid or…cowards and they’re afraid to go overseas. It’s not like what people think.” (Mike McRae, [59:01])

• Continuity of Government

  • The panel discusses America’s contingency planning (COG), revealing that nearly everyone in the line of succession attended Kirk’s memorial, a potential vulnerability.
  • “What would have happened if a nuclear device had gone off in that stadium? Literally the entire government would have been wiped out.” (Mike McRae, [57:33])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Candace Owens’ Persistence:

  • “Candace Owens is the only person somehow, the only person who still cares about trying to find out the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. Not his wife, not his company. Candace Owens.” (James Lee via Jimmy Dore, [11:47])

• Epstein Files Outrage:

  • “All I’m going to say is we’re going to see a cure for cancer before we see the Epstein files.” (Jimmy Dore, [36:30])

• Media Critique:

  • “It’s getting harder and harder to say that that’s anti Semitic. If you say the Jewish people run the media in America. It’s getting harder and hard…” (Jimmy Dore, [35:14])

• On the CIA’s Function:

  • “Its task number one is to overthrow government.” (Mike McRae, [49:26])
  • “We invented Al Qaeda… Partially morphed from the Mujahideen. We armed them, and as Hillary Clinton said, we created them.” (Collective panel, [47:00–47:07])

• On Official Narratives & Psy-ops:

  • “Tell me what she’s wrong about… They never do. They just tell me, ‘well, she’s not high school…’” (Jimmy Dore/Kurt, [14:24–14:30])

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Timeline of Major Segments

(Timestamps approximate due to content flow and group dialogue)

• 01:47 – Comedy Skit: Louis C.K. on Performing in Saudi Arabia
• 07:59 – BREAKING: Candace Owens Leaks Charlie Kirk Texts
• 11:47–13:56 – Analysis and Media Reaction to Kirk Assassination
• 20:14–30:17 – Israel-Palestine, Trump, Netanyahu, U.S. Leverage
• 34:34–35:31 – Media Control, Larry Ellison, and “Jewish Lobby”
• 36:23–43:49 – Congressional “Epstein Files” Cover-up, Government Shutdown
• 44:41–55:02 – CIA’s Real Purpose, Mythbusting “Incompetency,” Role in Regime Change
• 56:36–58:33 – Continuity of Government & Underground Bunkers
• 59:01–62:20 – CIA Bureaucracy, Plausibility of Large-Scale Conspiracies

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Tone and Language

• Dore’s style is irreverent, skeptical, and conspiratorial, using humor and profanity to punctuate frustration with institutional power.
• Dialogue often veers into satire and impersonation, but is grounded by a clear sense of outrage over perceived government and media malfeasance.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a whirlwind tour through current scandals and controversies ignored by mainstream media: the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the secret (and damning) texts prior to his death, ongoing U.S.-Israel tensions manipulated at the highest levels, the bipartisan government cover-up of Epstein’s files, and a public deeply misled about the ruthless competence (or incompetence) of its own security state. Throughout, Dore and his panel excoriate institutional secrecy and hypocrisy, ask uncomfortable questions, and remind listeners: Don’t freak out — but don’t stop questioning everything.

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This summary captures the core content and spirit of the episode, highlights key revelations, and provides context—even if you haven’t listened to the show.

Transcript

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[Louis C.K.]

Hey, it's Louis C.K.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, I have not prescreened this script just to let everybody know I don't know what's coming. I did not write this. I do all these sketches blind. Okay? Oh, hi, Louis. Why are you calling today?

[Louis C.K.]

I have no idea. Why would I be calling you? Like, what possible reason would there be for that? It's insane, right?

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, I did notice that you're headlining the. Oh, God. I did notice that you not do this. That you're headlining the Riyadh Comedy Festival.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, right. Yes, that probably is the reason for this fake phone Call.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So you. You don't have any moral qualms about performing in Saudi Arabia?

[Louis C.K.]

Okay, first of all, I think it should just be Arabia, right? We don't need the Saudi verse. We don't need. Distinguish it from other Arabias. Oh, Saudi Arabia. Also just Arabia sounds cool. Like, ooh, Arabia.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, please don't deflect with bits.

[Louis C.K.]

Sorry. I have to practice inoffensive material so I don't get murdered.

[Jimmy Dore]

Exactly. Because of their human rights abuses.

[Louis C.K.]

Right.

[Jimmy Dore]

So you realize the crimes that the Saudi government commits?

[Louis C.K.]

Well, they murder everybody. So much murder. They murder like, most people. They murder like a million people a day for sneezing on Wednesday or some shit. Like, I don't even know the rules, but if you break them, you get murdered.

[Jimmy Dore]

And you don't mind performing for these people?

[Louis C.K.]

I really don't give a shit.

[Jimmy Dore]

It doesn't bother you at all?

[Louis C.K.]

Not really. Not really.

[Jimmy Dore]

So. So you're just in denial, then?

[Louis C.K.]

I'm not in denial about shit. If anything, I probably think they murder more than they do. And at some point, I will be jerking off to that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, God, please.

[Louis C.K.]

Sorry. That's just one of my triggers. Just sort of exaggerated things. I love that.

[Jimmy Dore]

We. We don't need to know this.

[Louis C.K.]

I don't need to be going to the Riyadh Comedy Festival either. But I am anyway.

[Jimmy Dore]

So why are you going then?

[Louis C.K.]

Jimmy, they're paying me a lot of money.

[Jimmy Dore]

I said just for the money, then.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, a lot of money? Like, a lot of money? The most money. They're giving me all of the dollars in the world. It's going to, like, fuck up the global economy. How much they're paying me to tell jokes to murderers? It's insane.

[Jimmy Dore]

So that's all it takes, huh? A bunch of money?

[Louis C.K.]

Jimmy, are you familiar with money?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, I know what money is.

[Louis C.K.]

Right, but if you have a lot of money, you can buy lots of things. Like, if you like fancy watches with a lot of money, you can go buy as many fancy watches you want. You can go down to the Rolex store with a fancy cape and a monocle and be like, I have money. Give me watches. It's amazing what a lot of money can do.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I understand purchasing power, but is it all worth it to perform for murderers? What about all these innocent people who have been killed by the Saudi regime?

[Louis C.K.]

First of all, I don't care. Second of all, we don't know that they're innocent. Maybe they did some shit. You don't know that. Maybe they deserve to get murdered. Maybe the whole country of Saudi Arabia is a bunch of shit ass fuckfaces and there needs to be like a brutal regime to keep these fuckers in line. You have no idea.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, no, these are certifiable. Certifiable human rights abuses of the worst degree. In fact.

[Louis C.K.]

Well, I like to think that I just made up better than the thing you're saying. So go fuck yourself.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Louis C.K.]

Look, at the end of the day, it's a comedy festival. I'm a comic. My job is to do these things. And I've known Bruce Hills for years.

[Jimmy Dore]

Bruce Hills, he used to run the.

[Louis C.K.]

Montreal Just for Last Comedy Festival and now he's the main consultant for the Riyadh Murder Festival thing.

[Jimmy Dore]

You're kidding.

[Louis C.K.]

No, like everyone in comedy is involved in this except women. But yeah, you'd be stupid not to want to do it. That's the future of comedy. Kowtowing to authoritarian regimes but also saying you're a truth teller.

[Jimmy Dore]

That doesn't sound like comedy to me.

[Louis C.K.]

Well, suit yourself. Keep doing exactly what you want to do, loser. So you're saying if they gave you a lot of money, you would say no to doing Arabian Murder Murder Party Festival?

[Jimmy Dore]

Uh, yes. Especially if they called it that.

[Louis C.K.]

They wouldn't call it that, but everyone knows that's what it is. But that's insane.

[Jimmy Dore]

I think it's insane that so many talented comics who don't need the money are doing this. That's. That's what is insane.

[Louis C.K.]

I literally have no idea what you're saying right now. Who cares? Who cares about anything?

[Jimmy Dore]

You know what? Nevermind. Have fun and best of luck in Saudi Arabia.

[Louis C.K.]

Thank you. You know, when you do a festival somewhere, they take you around and let you do local activities and. Well, hopefully I get to murder someone. I've always wanted to murder people anyway. Off.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay? Off.

[Mike McRae]

Establishment media sucks. All gas lighting, so good luck. Bullshit we can't afford for why he's fomenting this.

[Jimmy Dore]

Watch and see as his jack off.

[Mike McRae]

The medium speeds and jumps the medium and hit some head on.

[Jimmy Dore]

It's the chimney door show. I got breaking news. Candace Owens has the receipts. Are you ready for this? Candace Owens definitely has the receipts. And she's been taking a lot of heat because it seems like nobody at Turning Point USA wants to get the real story about what happened to Charlie Kirk and his assassination. Nobody had turned nobody. And it's a little weird that his wife doesn't. I would say more than a little, but nobody at turn because I think they're all under the Thumb of Israel. That's what I think the point of this was. That's my guess. But let's watch what Candace Owens has to say right here.

[Jeff Bridges]

Take a look. So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another huge Jewish donor.

[Jimmy Dore]

So this, she's got the screenshots from an internal chat that Charlie was doing with TP usa and right up there it says, just lost another huge Jewish donor, 2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. And I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Whoa, whoa. So this is the, so this is the receipts that she, she knew she had. And he had. Charlie Kirk had turned on Israel, was not going to support the Israel project anymore and was going to buddy up with Tucker Carlson and Candace Owen. Candace Owen is vehemently a critic of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu and what's going on right now in Gaza. So here she's got, she's got the goods. Let's listen.

[Jeff Bridges]

Take a look. So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another huge Jewish donor, 2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Somebody writes, oh, Charlie writes, jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause. And somebody writes, Sedona writes, please do not invite Candace. That might feel good short term, but it's not good long term. In my opinion, like all groups, you're going to get a wide variety of opinions. That nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times. After the dust settles a bit, maybe. So Again, this is 48 hours before Charlie was assassinated. He was very clear and he was very explicit and he did not back down out in that Hamptons meeting which they're all lying about, nor in this text thread. I'm not going to reveal the names of the other seven. Actually, you know what? I disagree with myself four seconds ago. Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for funsies. He's on this chat.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ok, Is Josh Hammer. Is he the guy who runs the Babylon Bee? Is that who that is? Look up who Josh Hammer is. Okay, so she's naming names. She's not only saying that Charlie Kirk on an internal chat had revealed that he was no longer supporting Israel, it was done. And that their Jewish donors to TP USA played into the worst stereotypes of Jewish people. Isn't that interesting?

[Mike McRae]

I have. Josh Hammer is an American conservative political.

[Jimmy Dore]

Commentator of the Josh Hammer show, is author, Israel and Civilization. Okay, so that's not the. Okay. Editor at large for Newsweek. Okay, here we go. So. And. And she's also saying that the meeting they had to. A week, few weeks prior to his assassination in the Hamptons, where all the Jewish donors went after him. They're all lying about those. Those. That meeting. They're all lying about it. Okay, so that's it. So here's what our friend James Lee has to say about this.

[Kurt]

Wow.

[Jimmy Dore]

We now have actual proof that Charlie Kirk was indeed abandoning the Pro Israel ca. Right before he was assassinated. Charlie just lost another huge Jewish donor. $2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking about inviting Candace. Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel. Cause these texts were sent 48 hours before he died. Like, we all thought this was very weird. We just didn't have the proof. I mean, a mural of Charlie Kirk painted in one day in Tel Aviv? Come on. Also, is it not kind of weird that Erica Kirk and the rest of Turning Point USA has all moved on from this? Yes. Candace Owens is the only person somehow, the only person who still cares about trying to find out the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. Not his wife, not his company. Candace Owens.

[Mike McRae]

Kudos to her.

[Jimmy Dore]

Isn't that weird that his wife isn't trying to find out the truth about what happened to him? Nobody at Turning Point USA gives a crap about the BS story that the FBI is pushing.

[Kurt]

And then no autopsy. And no one's allowed to see it.

[Jimmy Dore]

There was an autopsy, but you were not allowed to see it.

[Mike McRae]

Oh, okay.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there was an autopsy, but you're not allowed to see it. And we. And they say that it was a miracle bullet. Not a magic bullet, but a miracle, because the bullet that would normally go through a brick wall somehow got stopped by his. His spine.

[Kurt]

His verdict bones were that strong.

[Jimmy Dore]

His neck bones were Superman. Like, does anyone. If so, if you're just a moron. By the way, Grok believes the story. I. I had a. I had an argument with Grok today.

[Kurt]

It better. It better believe.

[Jimmy Dore]

It better believe the story, or else grock's gonna get JFK'd. Yeah. So there you have it. She brings the receipts. Good for Candace Owen. I really. I always like Candace Owen. Not always. I didn't know anything about her for a long time, but now that I do, there's a lot to like about Candace Owens, and I certainly respect her courage. She's got. She's got more balls than Rajeet McCrone, I'll tell you that. And. And she's getting it done. And why is she the only one who cares about getting to the bottom of this? Why is Candace Owen. Candace Owens is the one that. She's the. Yeah, go ahead, Kurt.

[Kurt]

She's trashed. Why don't the people trashing her tell me what she said? That was wrong, right?

[Jimmy Dore]

They never do.

[Kurt]

They just tell me. Well, she's not high school. Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

They go, she's lost.

[Kurt]

Fact. That's wrong.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Tell me a fact. They all. You see all the smears? You know, it's from bots. And they say, oh, she's. She's really lost it. What's happened again. But tell me what she's wrong about.

[Kurt]

Lost it how?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, well, that's. People would say that to me. They would say, oh, Jimmy's lost the plot. What's the plot that I lost? And they never. They would never say anything back. Like, I don't. I don't know.

[Kurt]

Lost the plot. I'm being paid to uphold the plot, Motherfucker.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right.

[Kurt]

What the fuck does that mean?

[Jimmy Dore]

Nothing, obviously, Kurt, it means nothing. It's just one of these vague smears that people like to throw around, just.

[Kurt]

Like they've uncovered it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, that's right. That's right. Anyway, that is. That is shocking stuff. I mean, there it is. Charlie Kirk saying, I'm not supporting Israel anymore. That was 48 hours before they killed him.

[Kurt]

And how many hours before you think this was some.

[Jimmy Dore]

You think this was some trans lover who did it? Really? A guy who somehow had short pants on and was concealing a gun, and then he changed his clothes and went on the roof, and then he changed his clothes again and then put the gun together, took the shot, and then took the gun apart again, and then changed his clothes again to gen job, and then went. And he put the gun back together again, then hit it and then changed his clothes again. Do you really think that's the story? You really think that's real? It's not.

[Kurt]

The autopsy not come out at all. Why would it not come out?

[Jimmy Dore]

That makes no sense. Why would they not release. Why would Charlie Kirk's wife not release the. Because it's up to her to release it, and she won't. She's not doing it. Isn't that weird? Yeah. Yeah. The answer is yes. And the fact that she doesn't care that everybody's lying, and the fact that she also propped up that BS story that it was a lone gunman that it was that kid. Wasn't that kid. This was a. This was a professional hit operation.

[Kurt]

Why did she run a weird Romanian charity on an army base that, it turns out, had a child brothel on it? And that's a matter of public record?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Isn't that weird that she did run a Romanian charity for orphans that turned out to be a brothel and a trafficking organization? Isn't that weird?

[Kurt]

Her mom's heavy into defense contracting and.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. And her dad is Raytheon guy in Israel. Right. Am I wrong about that?

[Kurt]

I don't know about the Raytheon guy in Israel, but I know that her mom is. So she moved because her mom moved as an adult. It makes no sense. James Lee had a bunch of it. Okay, well, James Lee covers it. He does a good job.

[Jimmy Dore]

And I guess the bigger. I guess an equally as big question as James Lee said, why is Candace Owen the only one who cares about this? Why isn't anybody at Fox News on this? Why is it Candace Owen. Why is nobody at CNN on this? Why is it Candace Owen. Why is nobody at the New York Times on this? Why is it Candace Owens? Isn't that weird? Yes, the answer. Yes, it is weird. Why isn't. Why isn't Charlie Kirk's wife screaming for more investigations and pushing back against this obvious BS concocted story? That weird?

[Kurt]

Yeah, she probably wants to live.

[Jimmy Dore]

Maybe that's it. Maybe she's afraid. And if she is, then I cut her all the slack in the world. If she's afraid, I cut her all the slack in the world, then no, no problem. But it is. But. But it is weird that. So that makes you go, oh, why isn't she pushing back? Not to condemn. Not to condemn her for not pushing back. But why? Because that's a big red flag. And the reason would be she's probably afraid for her life. But go ahead, Kurt.

[Kurt]

Yeah. Why would the Hindu FBI director say to the murdered Christian pundit, I'll see you in Valhalla.

[Jimmy Dore]

Valhalla.

[Kurt]

That's a weird ass. If anybody said that in a different circumstance, you'd hear about how they're probably a neo Nazi, wouldn't you?

[Jimmy Dore]

I don't know anything that sounds like.

[Kurt]

Stuff Neo Nazis say, talking about Valhalla.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, yeah. I don't know anything about Valhalla. I don't know. I've heard of it before.

[Kurt]

It's real weird. I mean, it just makes no sense on any level. Not from Cash, not towards Charlie Kirk. What is that?

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Jimmy Dore]

These headlines How Trump cornered Netanyahu into signing up for peace Strong Armed by Trump Netanyahu embraces Gaza deal as a personal win Trump is successfully bullying Netanyahu. Really? Wow. That is boy. If the Financial Times, the New York Times and the Atlantic say Trump bullied Netanyahu into a ceasefire. Well, this is big. Uh oh. Turns out it's all bullshit. Israel says no Gaza ceasefire in place despite Trump's call for a stop to the bombing. They've killed more than 100 Palestinians in Gaza over the past just two days. Oh whoops. Come on.

[Kurt]

It's like waiting to be get paid by Vice back in the day. Waiting for this to be resolved. A lot of horseshit they tell you. And the check ain't coming.

[Jimmy Dore]

The Israeli government said on Sunday that there is no ceasefire in place in Gaza, despite President Trump's calls for Israel to immediately stop bombing Stop the bombing of Gaza as the IDF continues to slaughter Palestinians across the Strip. While certain bombings have actually stopped inside of Gaza Strip, there's no ceasefire in place at this point in time, said Israeli government spokeswoman Shah Berdozian, according to the Associated Press. And I just want to show you one more thing here. So, MJ Truth Ultra Stephen Gardner sent me this. Trump to Netanyahu. I don't know why you're so effing negative. This is a win. Take it. This came after President Trump called Netanyahu to tell him that Hamas agreed to the peace proposal. And Netanyahu said, this is nothing to celebrate. It doesn't mean anything. Not to mention President Trump is applying maximum pressure on the Truth Social. He posted a photo of the massive protests in Israel, urging Netanyahu to take the peace deal. Netanyahu is the only one who can f this deal up. So here, it's from Axios. When Hamas came back with the yes, but to President Trump's Gaza peace. Trump's Gaza peace proposal. On Friday, Trump called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss what he saw as good news. Netanyahu felt differently. Bibi told Trump this is nothing to celebrate and that it doesn't mean anything. A US Official with knowledge of the call told Axios. Trump fired back. I don't know why you're always so effing negative. This is a win. Take it.

[Kurt]

Well, I know why.

[Jimmy Dore]

I know why, too. Let me tell them first, and then you could tell them, Kurt. Because Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't want a ceasefire or this kind of a victory. He wants to completely ethnically cleanse Gaza and the west bank and take it over. That's what this is about. This isn't about defeating Hamas because he invented Hamas. He. He financed Hamas for this very purpose. This is why. And I wouldn't doubt if he's. If he's financing Hezbollah, too. They need. Benjamin Netanyahu needs Hamas. He needs those hostages not released. And he needs Hezbollah. He needs a reason to do the Greater Israel Project, which is what this is. So that. And so I can't believe that Trump doesn't understand this. So what do you say? What do you say, Kurt? Is that what you're going to say?

[Kurt]

No, I. Who's behind Netanyahu? A worse terrorist than all the ones you just mentioned. He's at the behest of those terrorists. Remember, he was going to go to jail. And they do lock up. They do do lock her up in Israel.

[Jimmy Dore]

They lock up their.

[Kurt]

How did he say out. The. The craziest, worst wingnut Zionist terrorists in Israel are backing him so much. Like, what's his name in Ukraine?

[Jimmy Dore]

Zelensky.

[Kurt]

Yeah, the Nazis are gonna kill him. Where it turns out The Ashkenazis are gonna kill Netanyahu as well. I bet you he's got to be afraid of that. That's his only backup is psychopath terrorists that Israel and America call terrorists.

[Jimmy Dore]

I bet you're right about that, actually. Yeah. Just like Zelensky knows that he'll be hanging from a light post in Kiev if he does a peace deal. Same thing. Same thing with the Netanyahu. So here's what Trump tweeted out. Here's the he just tweeted this out that this is the in Israel. This is their wanting a peace deal. The people of Israel wants a peace deal. So let's get back to the rest of the story. Let's see, on Saturday, Trump said that he appreciated that Israel has temporarily stopped the bombing, but on the same day the IDF killed at least 70 Palestinians in Gaza. The IDF killed at least 129 Palestinians in Gaza over the last two days. The health Ministry said in its latest release on Sunday that it recorded at least 63 of the 63 Palestinians and the injury of 153 over the previous 24 hour period. Wow. So Israel has quit the killing altogether, much in the same way the British clergy can quit alcohol together, meaning they're not going to drink when they're sleeping. Medical sources have told Al Jazeera that Israeli attacks on Sunday killed at least 24 Palestinians, including at least 12 who were killed in Gaza City, according to Israeli media. The IDF was ordered to halt its operation to conquer Gaza City, but it has continued to bomb the area. One Israeli strike in Gaza on Saturday killed 18 people, including seven children between the ages of 2 months and 8 years, according to a statement from Gaza's Civil Defense. The IDF also continues to kill desperate Palestinians attempting to get food. According to the ap, at least four Palestinians were killed near an aid site in southern Gaza on Sunday. On top of the violent deaths, Palestinians continue to starve to death amid the famine caused by the Israeli siege. According to releases from the Health Ministry, at least three Palestinians, including two children, died of starvation over the past two days. The ministry said on Sunday that its violent death toll since October 7, 2023 has reached 67,139, and the number of wounded has climbed to 169,000. Studies have found that the ministry's numbers are likely a significant I'm going to guess there's over 400,000 people dead. That's my guess. And the reason why they can't guess, the reason why they can't count them is because they're under rubble and they bombed all the hospitals and they're all under rubble and they're liars as well. So, yes. Oh, yeah. By Bibi deleted this tweet. He said, we will continue to work in full cooperation with the President and cooperation with the President and his team in order to bring the war to an end in accordance with the principles set forth by Israel, which are consistent with President Trump's vision. He then deleted that. He then deleted that. The language is very strong. Did Trump really bully Netanyahu? Did he? I don't think so. Max Blumenthal says Trump calls for Israel to stop bombing of Gaza, but without exercising any leverage. Israel is continuing the bombing right now. And I will not be surprised if Trump retracts his ceasefire demand in short order. For the moment, Netanyahu has been outmaneuvered and is under pressure from messianic fascist members of his coalition to escalate. Israel will not. So this is kind of what Trump. What you were saying, Kurt. He's saying that right here, that Netanyahu is being pressured by the messianic fascist members of his coalition to coalition to actually escalate Johnson's buddies in Israel.

[Kurt]

Yeah, he brought red heifer to.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's all the red heifer. Aha. Israel will not honor any agreement unless it is forced to do so. Its behavior in South Lebanon, where it has violated the ceasefire thousands of times in a year, is the proof. So that's right. So, Trump, you could say, you could scream, you could use the F word, you could say things, but unless you exercise your leverage over Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, it means nothing. They're going to continue to do what they want, which is. So it seems like Trump is afraid to actually use his leverage because he's actually not the boss of this situation. Because. And what leverage would that be? The leverage would be, you pulled the funding, you stop the funding. That would be the leverage. And he won't do it.

[Kurt]

Let's face facts. He don't want to get Jeff Gate, and Netanyahu doesn't want to get Ariel Sharoned.

[Jimmy Dore]

There you go. Here's a timeline from Mondoweisse. Here's every time Hamas said yes and Israel said no. In November of 2023, Hamas agreed to a truce. Israel extended it seven days, then resumed the war in January of 2024. Just two months later, Hamas reviews three phase ceasefire proposal. Netanyahu calls it delusional. May 7, 2024, Hamas accepts Qatar, Egypt proposal. Israel invades Rafah two days later, late May 2024. That same month, Biden announces Israel agreed. Netanyahu rejects it. The same day, August 2024. Mid negotiations, Netanyahu adds new demands, permanent troops in Gaza, full border control. And the talks collapse in January of 2025. After 15 months, deal was reached. Israel's own national security minister later admits, I repeatedly block ceasefire deals. And now the ceasefire that just went into effect in January 2025, it's essentially the same deal Hamas accepted back in May of 2024, except more Palestinians have been killed by Israel since then. And I just want to let everybody know, I think Trump's new. He should write a new book and it should be called the Art of the Broken Deal, because that's what Israel has broken every peace agreement and every peace deal they've ever had with anybody ever. Israel does what?

[Kurt]

The fart of the deal, Jimmy, what's that more like? The fart of the deal.

[Jimmy Dore]

The fart of the deal, not the art of the deal. Netanyahu. This is a headline. Washington Post. Netanyahu. America is a thing you can ease very easily. Move.

[Kurt]

Well, he's got us there.

[Jimmy Dore]

He's got us there. And we all know someone who thinks that's a perfectly normal thing to say about a country you live in from someone who doesn't live in that country. I have friends that I have to say thinking is just not for them. They keep confusing the television, what the television tells them with what they're coming up with in their own head. And, well, here's Benjamin Netanyahu in the 80s. Let's listen to what he said in the 80s. So the reporter says, we don't have America with us. And Bibi Netanyahu says US is not a united bloc. We have the Senate, the Congress, and a record strong Jewish lobby on our side. We have a strong influence over the general support in America. America won't force us into anything. So that was what he. And that, you know, that's so nothing new is what I'm. That nothing new. And so there's that. So anyway, so I know people will tell me, no, Jimmy, you're taking word for word. Exactly. And precisely what he said completely out of context. He just meant he could get us to do his laundry. That's what he was really talking about. So, yeah. So what this is, is you could say it a couple different ways. One way you could say it is that Benjamin Netanyahu is letting Donald Trump and the world know that he's the boss of Trump and that no matter what Trump says, he's Going to do whatever the hell he wants. And what the hell he wants is to continue to ethnically cleanse, completely ethnically cleanse Gaza and the west bank so Israel can take it over in their Greater Israel project. And he doesn't give a shit what Donald Trump says or anybody else. And Donald Trump is his, his bitch. Donald Trump is a cuck to Israel. He's. Donald Trump has handlers. Because if he didn't, if Donald Trump wasn't taking orders, Donald Trump would stop the funding of Israel. If he really wanted to stop the killing and the slaughter and have a peace deal, Donald Trump could snap his fingers and it would be done.

[Kurt]

But he's not for some reason.

[Jimmy Dore]

But he's won't do it for some reason. And it's probably because he doesn't want to get JFK'd. Yeah. And that's sad. And why do you think if he's so afraid of getting JFK'd by Israel, why doesn't Donald Trump just JFK Netanyahu? That's what I don't understand.

[Kurt]

Because he can't.

[Jimmy Dore]

Why can't he?

[Kurt]

Look at Netanyahu ate the ultimate. He's in league with terrorists. If you think about Theodore Herzl, I think they murdered out of the gate because he was willing to take Uganda. They have a history of killing their pre US and Israel got a real history of killing our own presidents.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Kurt]

You know.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Kurt]

And that's because the fruit loop cult that's in charge of this shit ain't gonna allow it. And why would Netanyahu, a psychopath who like imagine what he's afraid of.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right? Yeah, I, yeah, I mean just imagine the kind of psychopaths above Netanyahu who could scare him enough to take back a tweet.

[Kurt]

I've never heard him apologize for a tweet or walk back.

[Jimmy Dore]

So that's what's happening right now, right out in the open. Everybody sees it. Trump is not the boss. And Benjamin Netanyahu is the boss of Trump. And Trump is, it appears, will never use his. Just like the Democrats in Congress. They will never use their leverage for the further average people. Donald Trump will never use his leverage to get a peace deal and end the slaughter in Gaza.

[Kurt]

Well plus shadow president Larry Ellison wouldn't allow that.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right. That's right. That's right. Shadow President Larry Ellison worried about Peter Thiel.

[Kurt]

How about Larry Ellison in there?

[Jimmy Dore]

Larry Ellison, who now controls TikTok, controls CBS News, controls Paramount, which is everything, which is like one sixth of the American Media.

[Kurt]

You're going to wish it was Elon after he's done with you.

[Jimmy Dore]

It's getting harder and harder to say that, you know, it's anti Semitic to say the Jewish lobby runs our media. It's getting harder and harder just to say that's anti Semitic. Because now the biggest Zionist in the world, Larry Ellison, owns TikTok and owns a 16 of the American media.

[Kurt]

Oh great.

[Jimmy Dore]

Because there's only six media companies in America and now he owns one of them. Plus he owns TikTok. And Benjamin Netanyahu said that they wanted their next target is to take over Twitter.

[Kurt]

Okay, so we're like China if China was run by Israel.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, that's right. That's right. So it's getting harder and harder to say that that's anti Semitic. If you say the Jewish people run the media in America. It's getting harder and hard. The government, they're supposed to be back in session. Right. But Mike Johnson is stopping that from happening. Headline there's nothing for us to negotiate. Johnson says amid a shutdown. So here's what Thomas Massie says. The government is shut down, but the House refuses to go back in session. Why are we in recess? Because the day we go back into session I have 218 votes for the discharge petition to force a vote on releasing the Epstein files. Speaker Johnson doesn't want that to be the news.

[Kurt]

Now that's very interesting, Jimmy. That's a very interesting.

[Jimmy Dore]

That is very interesting.

[Kurt]

Yeah. Wow, that's something.

[Jimmy Dore]

All I'm going to say is we're going to see a cure for cancer before we see the Epstein files. I'll tell you that we're going to discover that pigs can fly and I bet they get a carbon offset like Bill Gates does. But we will. That's what's going to before so that he's literally not. He's literally not bringing the Congress into session because he knows Thomas Massie has enough votes to get the a discharge petition on the. What's that?

[Kurt]

I forgot about this. This was about to happen and then all I heard about was the shutdown.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Kurt]

And I forgot. What a factor. Boy, it must be something real bad in them files.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, it makes me think that Mike Johnson's in those files or something or he's getting direct orders from Trump if.

[Kurt]

That ever it will never come out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Or maybe, you know, Mike Johnson is just a big cuck to APEC and Israel as anybody. So it's probably a combination of those things. Here's what they're Calling this Epstein shutdown. Here's what Kim Iverson has to say about it.

[Jeff Bridges]

So one big question that a lot of people are having is whether or not this government shutdown that we're in the middle of, which by the way, government shutdowns talk about a hoax. Many are speculating that Congress, in fact, Speaker Mike Johnson is using this political tool conveniently to shield the Epstein files. He did it this summer when he released everybody a day early, right when they were about to. There was a measure that was gaining steam that would force the release of the Epstein files. What did Speaker Mike Johnson do? He said, everybody go home a day early. Obviously meant to block the release of the Epstein files.

[Jimmy Dore]

False headline in the New York Times.

[Louis C.K.]

It said, House Republicans are, quote, adjourning.

[Jimmy Dore]

Until September to avoid a vote on releasing Epstein material.

[Jeff Bridges]

Now, Republicans have been lying about what the government shutdown is. So why are we even having a shutdown? What's going on is that there's a new member of Congress. Her name is Adelita Grijalda, except she hasn't been sworn in yet. And she has sworn that when she is sworn in to Congress that she will be basically the tipping vote that would force the release of the Epstein files. Can you confirm that you are planning on signing the discharge petition to force the release of the Epstein documents? I absolutely will be that decisive. 218 signer and the government's shut down. Oh, isn't that just unfortunate? I guess we can't vote on those Epstein files when the government's shut down. We want the Epstein files. That's what was promised. Are we ever going to see these files? Are the Republicans as Donald Trump and his administration willing to shut down the government endlessly in order to protect Epstein and his deep state intel blackmail operation that is now blackmailing an entire nation? The President of the United States, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House. Here they are in cahoots covering everything up.

[Jimmy Dore]

So nobody was saying Mike Johnson was connected to the Epstein files until he shut down this vote. And now everybody's thinking he's on the list and he needs to. He's got to release those files just to clear his name.

[Kurt]

Wasn't he though? Didn't we, didn't we do a story with him where he was mad at Massey having to do with these files? And that's what I suspected because he kept going. Bless your heart.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Mike McRae]

Yes.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, yeah. So here is that woman Mike Johnson hasn't sworn in his new Democrat. Is it because she wants to release the Epstein Files. Congress's newest member, Adelita Grijalva came to Washington D.C. this week expecting to be officially sworn in by the speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Two days later, she returned to her Southern Arizona district disappointed. No swearing in Sonam ceremony has been organized meaning Grijalva, our Democrat who easily won a special election last month to replace her late father, was not able to start her new job. Trapped in the purgatorial status of representative elect, she had to be escorted around the Capitol building by her soon to be colleagues. Like any other member of the public, her name is on the door of her new office, but she does not have the keys. I want to get to work and I can't. Grijalva says she thinks she knows the reason why Johnson is in no rush to administer the oath. In addition to co sponsoring bills on the environment, public education, other issues she campaigned on, Gralva plans to provide the final signature on a petition that would force a vote on legislation to release files related to the accused trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, which the speaker and Donald Trump oppose. I can't think of any other reason. It's not like my being sworn in changes the majority. And the last thing anybody in Congress wants is somebody who's willing to do their job because it makes the rest of them look bad by comparison.

[Kurt]

I think it puts her in grave danger is what that sounds like to me. How does it just come down to one vote? Do you know how destroyed and compromised your government is when there's one deciding vote to expose this terrible crime?

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Kurt]

Is that insane?

[Jimmy Dore]

It is that, that. So that means that there's, there's 217 members who don't want to expose it like that.

[Kurt]

What do you need me to draw a picture? Like that's what your government is.

[Jimmy Dore]

The matter of Epstein files has for months been a thorn in the side of the President and his allies in Congress. Though Trump has decried it as a Democrat hoax, a small. His own Commerce Secretary said it's not a hoax and said that Bill Gates is in on it. Ludnick, Right. Who is his Commerce Secretary? Who I've been told. Who I have heard. I'm not saying I've been told. Who I've heard is his APAC handler inside of his own administration. Because if you go all the way back to 9 11, very sketchy stuff in Ludnick's past. Right. He didn't show up for work that day on 9 11. He decided to take his kid to school. Isn't that weird? Anyway. Anyway, check me out all that about Ludnick, but I'm pretty sure it's real.

[Kurt]

Thank God we almost lost Lutnick.

[Jimmy Dore]

Jimmy. I know. It just needs to. The signatures of. The House did hold a three and a half minute procedural session on Tuesday. One Grijalva attended, along with dozens of Democrats in hopes of getting Johnson to swear her in. No luck. Even though Johnson administered the oath of two Republicans who won special elections in Florida during a similar session earlier this year. That doesn't make sense why I wouldn't be sworn in in the same pace as they were. And who is losing out are the constituents that need Congress to work for them. A spokesperson for Johnson pointed to his comments signaling that Grijalvo will be sworn in when the House returns to session. But that will not happen until funding is restored to the government. The House will come back in session and do its work as soon as Chuck Schumer allows us to reopen the government, Johnson said today. But I thought Trump was a dictator, so he needs the. He needs the approval. He needs Chuck Schumer to let the government back open. I thought Donald Trump was. Got rid of all the norms and he's a dictator and he does whatever he wants. And he got rid. Oh, that's not. You mean. You mean the Democrat. I mean he still has to follow the checks and balances and the Democrats actually still hold leverage and he has to wait for Chuck Schumer to agree to open up the government and fund it again. I thought that he was just a dictator. Isn't that weird? He's not. So why. If a DB was a dictator, he would just dictate and he would just do whatever he wanted. He would open the government and they would be on with their business. But it's not. It's like. It's almost like all the time the Democrats have been saying Trump is acting like a dictator was just bullshit propaganda. It's. It's almost like that. It's almost like that. In fact, it is. In fact, it is. So. So there you got the two stories. You got the Democrats are pieces of garbage and you got the Republicans are pieces of garbage. Isn't that weird?

[Kurt]

It's almost like one or 17 of them, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

It's. Yeah. Or. Or two. Maybe it's 216.

[Kurt]

If you want to know who's a piece of. In the government that should be rooted right out of it. If Trump was a real president, you got all the people who voted against this.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right.

[Kurt]

But that would include Trump himself.

[Jimmy Dore]

That would include Trump So, anyway, there you go. That's quite a story. And again, we're going to see pigs fly and we'll cure cancer before we get those Epstein files. That. That, by the way, Cash Patel was the loudest screamer about that, saying that the head of the FBI has all this information, and his first thing he's going to do, they should do is release it. And of course, here he is, the head of the FBI, and he's not releasing it. Let me just show you this, and I just want to get your. Your response to it. So this is Jank Uger from place I used to work, Tyt. And here's what he says about, like.

[Louis C.K.]

In the old days, man, they.

[Jimmy Dore]

They could do some. So he's interviewing a guy, I think, who has written a book on the CIA. And watch this. So in the old days, he says who's. Yeah, yeah. Now I believe we have the opposite problem. They're not evil enough. He's talking about the CIA, that they used to really be bad guys, but now they're not evil enough. Let's, like, not doing anything, right? But are they risking their lives to infiltrate. I mean. No, we never infiltrated Al Qaeda. Yeah. I mean, that's unbelievable to me, right?

[Kurt]

A little bit.

[Jimmy Dore]

Not only do we infiltrate Al Qaeda, we invented Al Qaeda. And now Al Qaeda is being welcomed. They did our dirty work in Syria. We paid them. And now they're doing. They're welcomed by the Secretary of State and the former head of the CIA in the United States in front of room fulls of dignitaries. So what? Well, I'll play a little bit more, then I'll get your response. We. We never even infiltrated Al Qaeda. We invented them anyway.

[Kurt]

Why would we have to do that?

[Jimmy Dore]

Why would we have to.

[Kurt]

China invading Taiwan.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Mike McRae]

Embarrassing for our intelligence community.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, they don't want to. So this. Whoever this genius is, says it's embarrassing for our intelligence community that they didn't infiltrate Elkhart. It's a real interview. This really happened. Want to go through that risk? That's. That's my assessment. They're willing to take some risk, but not risk their lives. But that's. That's the CIA. That's.

[Louis C.K.]

You're supposed to do that.

[Jimmy Dore]

And hopefully in the service of US Citizens.

[Mike McRae]

In fact, a lot of people you'd meet there.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, my God.

[Mike McRae]

That's Barry Eisler.

[Jimmy Dore]

Is that who that. Who's that? Tell me who that is.

[Mike McRae]

Barry Eisler is a former CIA officer. I interviewed Barry this morning. Barry's a former CIA officer who went on to be a prolific and very successful author of espionage fiction.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, that sounds like fiction, what he's saying right there to Cenk Uygur, that it was embarrassing that this intelligence community did not infiltrate Al Qaeda. So you obviously don't agree with that assessment, right?

[Mike McRae]

No. Yeah, I disagree with you slightly. And I'll explain why. I don't think we invented Al Qaeda. I think we foolishly made a decision. Once Al Qaeda became the organization, it became. It partially morphed from the Mujahideen. Yes, but so when we armed them.

[Jimmy Dore]

So we armed the Musha Hardin, which morphed into the Al Qaeda.

[Mike McRae]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

And as Hillary Clinton said, we created them. She said that in congressional testimony? Pretty much, yeah.

[Mike McRae]

I think we were directly responsible for the. For the creation of isis, but that's a separate issue. But we foolishly believed that we could then manipulate Al Qaeda to the point where we could get, for example, the nine, 11 hijackers who had already arrived in the United States to turn against what we called Al Qaeda base. Al Qaeda, the leadership. Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahi, Muhammad Atef, he was the number three. The military. I think his. He was a mere for military affairs or some stupid title like that. It was naive. It resulted in the deaths of 3,000Americans in one day, plus 2 million Muslims and another 8,000 soldiers after that. Yeah, it was just. It was stupidity. Okay, stupidity. But let me add one other thing.

[Jimmy Dore]

Sure.

[Mike McRae]

Chenk Uyghur. I'm sorry. Chuck Wigger is an idiot. He's always been an idiot.

[Kurt]

Have you heard his position on sex with horses yet?

[Mike McRae]

Well, listen, you're asking a Greek to comment on a Turk, so already I'm on a thin line here. But he's so arrogant that he wants us to believe that when the CIA makes a decision to do something or the CIA takes a policy position, the first thing they have to do is they have to call Chenk Wigger and explain what they're doing. It's like, that's not the way espionage works, you moron.

[Jimmy Dore]

So I just. Well, let me show you this. Let me show you this. Hang on. I have so much here. So here's what Scott Ritter says. Let me introduce you to the Special Activities Center. The CIA may be incompetent, that I grant you. But to say they don't carry out covert action designed to undermine, overthrow the governments of sovereign states is a whole new level of stupid. The CA is the greatest threat to global stability in the world. No other single organization is involved in the violation of law, including our own. More than the CIA. America and the world would be far better and safer place without the CIA. Do you have anything to say about Scott Ritter's assessment of that?

[Mike McRae]

I, I agree with every word of that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, I did.

[Kurt]

Question.

[Mike McRae]

Oh yeah, yeah, I know him well.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the idea that, that the CIA doesn't overthrow, that's crazy, right?

[Mike McRae]

It's crazy. It's, it's like, it's, it's task number one is to overthrow government. Italian election of 1949.

[Kurt]

Let me came in and said Scott Ritter, and he was talking about how the inner agency didn't want to hear the truth about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. What's the inner agency? Because I don't think they're incompetent. I think they compartmentalize. You're allowed to look at what you're allowed to look at, Much like everybody here in American Health and nobody can see. I talk to people that have. And they don't know about things that bend is closed already, such as MK Monarch, which I thought they would never disclose. We had a guest on who sent us the link in 2024. NSA archives.

[Mike McRae]

I wrote a paper.

[Kurt]

By name?

[Mike McRae]

Yeah, by name, yeah. So M.K.

[Kurt]

Chickwick, the people, the inner agency. Who is that?

[Jimmy Dore]

Huh?

[Mike McRae]

Yeah. Where do I even begin? I'll give you, I'll give you Monarch. I'll answer your question by telling you, by telling you a story. When I got back from Pakistan, I was, I was promoted on the, on the strength of the Abu Zubaydah capture, which I'm now ashamed of because the man was utterly innocent of any, of any crime against the United States. And I've consistently called for his release from Guantanamo. He's been there, he's been in our custody for 23 and a half years now. Never been charged with a crime. But anyway, I got promoted when I got back and I was named the executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for operations. In that position, you see literally everything that the CIA is doing around the world, you have to sign. I had to sign a half a dozen new security agreements just to start work on my very first day. So we were getting ready to attack Iraq and a cable came in that was not just sensitive, it was from one of these special compartments. But it was actionable, like I needed to act on it now. Well, it came in a minute before my morning briefing of the deputy director and all the associate deputy directors. So I went up to the office and I said, well, we have to start the briefing today with an incredible cable that just came in in the such and such compartment. And the Deputy Director says, stop. He says, you and I are the only people in the room cleared for this information. Which the room included the Associate Deputy Director for Operations, the Associate Deputy Director for Policy Planning, the Associate Deputy Director for Counterintelligence, the Associate Deputy Director for Counterterrorism. It's like, are you kidding me? So there's a smaller group that than this little group. And there was. So he said, I'll take the cable. I'll brief the director. So I just handed it to him. And everybody was kind of doing this, like, pretending that they hadn't heard any of this. I was shocked. And then when everybody finished their. Everybody just says what they're working on that day afterwards, he said, close call. I said, I just assumed that if you're one of the top eight leaders of the CIA, you're cleared to know what the CIA is doing. And he said, yeah, it's kind of funny.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's amazing. That's. I wonder. So let me play one more video in this vein talking about the ridiculous things that people think believe about the CIA today. Let's listen.

[Jeff Bridges]

There was a time in America where.

[Jimmy Dore]

The State Department would carry.

[Jeff Bridges]

The Pentagon would orchestrate and carry out coups in Latin American countries, for instance, or in Iran. There was a time when the government engaged in all sorts of unsavory schemes across the globe. That's definitely true. Okay, that's not the government we have today. How does anyone look at the. Honestly, I don't think the current federal government is even competent enough to carry out a coup. I mean, they tried multiple times in Venezuela and failed.

[Jimmy Dore]

Failed.

[Jeff Bridges]

And like, the way, like the. Some of the MAGA Republicans quite honestly talk about the federal government makes me think, my God, they're asleep at the wheel. They don't understand just how incompetent the federal government is. They can't get anything straight. They can't get anything straight. And you guys think that they're like, they're wiretapping you and they're scheming and they're planning on throwing Tucker Carlson in prison for talking to Vladimir Putin. Really?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Come on.

[Jimmy Dore]

Look, man, I interviewed the CIA agent long time ago, but now nearly 10 years ago. It was a really amazing interview. She told me about honeypot schemes and stuff and how they trick their targets into thinking that they're gonna get a sexual relationship. Like, it was an amazing, very candid interview. And she's like, look, this whole thing and that Deep State stuff on the right wing hadn't started yet. She's like, the number one problem with the CIA is they've become bureaucrats. And so I just would like to get a CIA officer's response to that kind of ridiculousness.

[Mike McRae]

It hurts my brain. It really does. I mean, listen, you can even go on Wikipedia and they'll give you a laundry list of all the regime change operations that the CIA is known to have been involved in. What makes these guys think that the CIA is not at least as dangerous as it always has been? It's a mystery to me.

[Jimmy Dore]

Edward Snowden revealed that they're exactly that. They're tapping everyone's side.

[Mike McRae]

And Joshua Schulte. They didn't give Joshua Schulte 40 years for nothing. Because he talked about nothing. Because he talked about exactly what it is that the CIA is out there doing around the world, including in the United States.

[Jimmy Dore]

And look what they're doing to Juliana Sus at the time. They're prosecuting Julian Assange. Or sexy like this. They're like, you kidding me?

[Mike McRae]

You are exactly right.

[Jimmy Dore]

They got his. They got his toilet bugged.

[Mike McRae]

Literally.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes, literally.

[Mike McRae]

They bugged the toilet.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Mike McRae]

And they didn't just walk in and do it. They got the Spanish intelligence service to hire this company. And the company was working with the Israelis, and the Israelis were working with the Brits, and. Come on. Lot of moving parts.

[Jimmy Dore]

A lot of moving parts. Okay, hang on, Kurt. I can't. Why can't I hear him? Go ahead, Kurt. What?

[Kurt]

Okay. The deep state. I can't repeat this enough. Peter Dale Scott, a Berkeley leftist professor.

[Mike McRae]

Yes.

[Kurt]

Is the guy who invented the term deep state after he studied it for 50 years. It's not a right wing thing. It came from a leftist Berkeley professor who also talked about cognitive, which none of these people talk about. Continuity of government. In fact, I'd like to know from John, how much of this stuff do they do under cog? Because Ollie north hearings are talking about it. The shooting of Trump when everybody was lambasting that Kimberly. What's her name, she's from cog, the head of Secret Service when Trump got shot the first time. How much of this is like, COG stuff? And do they keep it away from the CIA that way or.

[Mike McRae]

Yeah, that's a great question. Oddly enough, the CIA has nothing to do with cog. They keep the CIA out, which is smart, because you don't want the CIA to be leading the country in the event of a disaster, especially when you're gonna have to question Whether the CIA had something to do with the disaster. Right. But yeah, continuity of government is probably priority number one, which is one of the reasons why COG came out into the news this week. Because literally everybody. I don't know that this has ever happened, at least not in my lifetime. Literally everybody in the constitutional line of succession went to the Charlie Kirk memorial service. Literally everybody. What would have happened if a nuclear device had gone off in that stadium? Literally the entire government would have been wiped out. So we would have been ruled by what, a military junta?

[Kurt]

The guy from General Energy or something?

[Mike McRae]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Kurt]

Dead from Denver. That's what's under the airport.

[Mike McRae]

Yeah, exactly. There's one in West Virginia at Mount Weather. Yes.

[Jimmy Dore]

What is underneath the airport in Denver.

[Kurt]

The new capital for COG in case of a nuclear war? You know, the. The Dr. Strangelove underground thing where they all sit around? That's what's in Denver.

[Mike McRae]

That's why there's one in Denver and there's one on the Virginia, West Virginia border called Mount Weather. It's a hollowed out mountain. And that's where. That's where the designated few are supposed to be taken in the event of a nuclear conflict.

[Jimmy Dore]

No kidding.

[Kurt]

What about congressional picnic in 2012 when a solar flare almost hit us? And they would have went in there and left you to fry.

[Mike McRae]

You know, they gave us a tour. When I first joined the CIA, they gave us a tour of Mount Weather. I actually never believed Mount Weather existed. And then they took us inside, and I was like, you've got to be kidding me. So this is real? And they were like, yeah, it's real. And they're very specific about who gets to go. It's much smaller than you might imagine. So it's gonna.

[Kurt]

I imagine it's very small.

[Mike McRae]

It's very small. The President, the Vice President, Secretaries of State, Defense, the national security adviser, a couple of the very top congressional leaders, the majority leader, minority Leader, the Speaker of the House, and their families, Their immediate families. And then that's it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, what do you say. What do you say about Katherine Austin Fitz when she says that they've been. They've somehow stolen $20 trillion from the federal government and they build the building these underground cities to sustain the elite. Have you heard her talk about that?

[Mike McRae]

Yeah, I've heard her say that. I don't think that's true. First of all, I just don't think people are that smart. I really don't. I worked at the CIA. It's a big, lumbering bureaucracy with a lot of stupid people. And it's. It's not like it is in the James Bond movies where everybody's like, wow, right on top of their game. No, there are a lot of dopes. I was just telling a friend of mine yesterday, we were getting ready to go on. This is the honest to God's truth. We were getting ready to go on a raid in Pakistan. We're going to raid an Al Qaeda safe house. And I remember saying, where's Chris? Oh, Chris couldn't come. What do you mean he couldn't come? That's why he's here. No, it turned out Chris beat his wife. So we have this rule, if you get caught beating your wife, you can't carry a gun. So he can't go on the raid without a gun. I said, okay, where's Jimmy now? Jimmy got psychovac psychologically evacuated. I said, why? He went nuts this morning. Like, all right, all right, let's just. Let's just go with what we have. So it's not like the James Bond movies. Everybody's either nuts or stupid or slow or. They have been in headquarters for 10 years because they're cowards and they're afraid to go overseas, and it's easier to get promoted at headquarters. It's not like what people think that it's this, you know, tip of the spear, and we're going to go in, we're going to kill the president, we're going to name our guy the new president. Come on.

[Kurt]

Well, what I think is it's like a Tragedy and Hope by Carol Quigley. Circles within circles. That's what an interagency would be. So, of course you're going to have a thick layer of stupid bureaucrats. Yeah, yeah, but somebody knows what they're doing. It's not. No one's steering it. And the reason those underground bases exist was because of nuclear war. That's the Edward Television.

[Mike McRae]

Yes.

[Kurt]

That's why they broke it. Exactly.

[Mike McRae]

It's not like we just thought of it now. The missing 20 million, or 20 trillion, rather. I heard it was more like 4 trillion. But it's not that it's missing. It's that it's been spent or wasted. A lot of it in secret programs, so there's no paperwork to document it. People have retired or died and forgotten. And PricewaterhouseCoopers goes in to the Pentagon to try to find it, and then three years later, they throw up their hands and they say, we cannot figure out this accounting system, and they just quit.

[Kurt]

I thought it was Elon's fault. For Doge.

[Mike McRae]

Not. No, they. They were able to find 250 billion, which everybody laughed at. Like where's then where's the other 3.75 trillion that we can't find?

[Jimmy Dore]

What they were able to. I mean, we did a Dimidan coup, so they pulled. The CIA pulled that out.

[Mike McRae]

You're exactly right.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes. They got. Finally got it. Took them 25 years. But they got rid of Assad.

[Mike McRae]

That's right. That's another one.

[Jimmy Dore]

And they've had. They did it through their proxies. Right.

[Mike McRae]

Libya.

[Jimmy Dore]

They did Libya. Right. They did get rid of Maduro in a short time and now they're back trying to do it again.

[Mike McRae]

Yes.

[Jimmy Dore]

And I'm sure they're doing stuff like that all over the place and they're.

[Mike McRae]

Not going to advertise it to us.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right. Like Nepal just happened. And I'm like, I wonder if that is organic or if they went in and gave people money. Because that's what they do, right? The, the.

[Kurt]

Yeah. I think it don't succeed unless you got the bad feelings there though. Right. It's not like they could just make it happen out of thin air. It could happen when you see the time is right for it to happen.

[Mike McRae]

That's right.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey, become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. Freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Do not freak out.

[Jeff Bridges]

I'm not kidding. Do not.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Do not freak out.

[Kurt]

Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

[Jeff Bridges]

Jeff Bridges. Why are you still living above our garage?

[Kurt]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T Mobile commercial like you. Teach me.

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Kurt]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Louis C.K.]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Kurt]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Mike McRae]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Mike McRae]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Mike McRae]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Mike McRae]

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[Jeff Bridges]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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