Candace Says Charlie Kirk Was BETRAYED By Donald Trump!

Summary

The Jimmy Dore Show

Episode Title: Candace Says Charlie Kirk Was BETRAYED By Donald Trump!
Date: October 27, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore
Guests/Co-hosts: Kurt Metzger, Jackson Hinkle, (Satirical Voices: “Vice President,” Steve Bannon, etc.)

Overview

This episode of The Jimmy Dore Show dives into recent right-wing political drama centered on Candace Owens' public claims that Charlie Kirk was "betrayed"—and possibly killed—by figures allied with Donald Trump. The discussion weaves through satirical phone calls, analysis of Owens' statements, infighting among conservative commentators, the annexation of the West Bank by Israel (despite Trump’s supposed objections), Steve Bannon’s provocative suggestion of a Trump third term, and new revelations about the Epstein scandal touching Democratic donors.

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Satirical Segment: White House Demolition ([00:56] – [07:33])

Key Points

• The show opens with a satirical bit featuring Jimmy Dore, a fictional Vice President, and a “construction foreman” discussing bizarre and reckless renovations at the White House under Trump.
• The sketch lampoons incompetence, lack of planning, and a gaudy, gold-obsessed redesign.
• "No permit" for White House demolition, blueprints drawn in crayon, ignoring foundational safety.

Notable Quotes

• Vice President: “His idea of wealth is no different from that of an emotionally neglected third grader who finds a $20 bill on the ground.” ([02:30])
• Foreman: “We have a drawing on construction paper... It looks like a grade schooler made it. It's got stick figures inside a giant rectangle... The obviously female stick figures have two giant circles on their chest.” ([06:04])

Tone: Absurdist, mocking the perceived chaos and corruption of the Trump administration.

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Candace Owens’ Claims on Charlie Kirk: Betrayal, Holidays, and The Boulevard Conspiracy ([08:56] – [14:40])

Key Discussion Points

• Candace Owens, on her own premium stream, claims Charlie Kirk was “betrayed… in one of the most egregious ways I’ve ever seen.” She says she has “fully lost faith in Trump” and politics at large.
• Owens satirically suggests that when “they” kill someone, they give them a holiday and a boulevard as a signature (referencing MLK, Charlie Kirk, etc.).
• The show explores skepticism toward the official narrative of Kirk’s death, connecting it to larger patterns of distrust about establishment explanations (comparing to JFK, RFK, etc.).
• Candace also discusses fear and intimidation tied to criticizing Israel.

Notable Quotes

• Candace Owens:
  “It has made me lose faith in politics, has made me fully lose faith in Trump… my heart aches for the fact that he gave so much of his life to Trump and to politics.” ([08:56])
• Candace Owens:
  “As soon as they give you a boulevard and a holiday… they definitely killed you. No question they killed you. That’s like their signature thing.” ([08:56])
• Candace Owens:
  “Anything happens to me, blame the Zionists. Like 1000% blame the Zionists. Let that be my parting word.” ([22:14])
• Jimmy Dore:
  “She didn’t say lose faith. She said fully lose faith in Donald Trump. And it’s based on the feeling she has… It’s a feeling you should have after Trump just bailed out Argentina to protect the investments of George Soros.” ([10:53])

Memorable Moment:
Jimmy and Kurt riffing on the idea that giving someone a holiday is a sure sign they were killed by the deep state.

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Conservative Reactions: Candace Owens vs. Steven Crowder and Online Spin ([16:51] – [21:42])

Key Discussion Points

• Steven Crowder’s hostile response to Owens: framing her as either a liar or her critic Erica Kirk as a killer.
• Jimmy and Kurt react, noting Crowder is misrepresenting Owens and question his motives (suggesting paid influence).
• Ian Carroll’s social media analysis: defends Owens, explains Erica Kirk’s likely silence as the CEO of Turning Point.
• Paranoia and infighting are themes—no one agrees on the narrative, trust is eroding.

Notable Quotes

• Jimmy Dore:
  “Steven Crowder says you can watch this clip and draw one of two conclusions: Erica Kirk is evil… or Candace Owens is a miserable [bleep]. That’s it?” ([16:51])
• Kurt Metzger:
  “Was it Mac Feldstein?” ([20:08]) (sarcastic slip referencing accusations against various media personalities)

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Israel, Trump’s Red Line, and the West Bank Annexation ([24:48] – [42:16])

Key Discussion Points

• Discussion pivots to Israel’s Knesset passing West Bank annexation bills while JD Vance is visiting, interpreted as a deliberate humiliation of US officials and disregard for Trump’s “red line.”
• US leadership is depicted as powerless or complicit as Israel openly defies them.
• The show accuses Israel of dragging American politicians around and using American money while overtly ignoring US wishes.
• Bannon and US officials try to spin these snubs as mere stunts/opposition drama, which the show’s hosts ridicule.

Notable Quotes

• Jimmy Dore:
  “It was symbolic of how they can humiliate you with impunity and you will never do anything. That’s what the symbolism there was… the boss is Israel over you.” ([26:48] and [32:48])
• JD Vance:
  “It was a very stupid political stunt, and I personally take some insult to it.” ([27:13])
• Finance Minister Smotrich (as quoted):
  “We are not subject to the directives of the Americans… American recognition is not a condition for the application of sovereignty.” ([38:20])
• Jackson Hinkle:
  “If they’re claiming they’re an independent nation… they should give us back the $30 billion that we’ve sent them.” ([39:03])

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Steve Bannon on Trump: The 3rd Term Fantasies ([42:16] – [48:19])

Key Discussion Points

• Jimmy plays audio where Steve Bannon advocates for a Trump third term: "Trump 28 will happen," asserts Trump is "an instrument of divine providence," and evades constitutional limits.
• The hosts mock Bannon’s rationale and speculate about how absurd, dangerous, or manipulative such rhetoric is.
• Questioning of whether narrative distractions serve to keep people from discussing topics like Epstein.

Notable Quotes

• Steve Bannon:
  “He’s going to get a third term, so Trump ‘28. Trump is going to be president ‘28. People just ought to get accommodated with that.” ([42:43])
• Steve Bannon:
  “Trump is nothing but a series of negotiations to kind of keep this thing rolling forward... He’s a vehicle of divine providence.” ([44:02])
• Jimmy Dore:
  “I would love to bring Steve back on the show and ask him what he means by ‘finish what we started.’” ([48:19])

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Epstein Revelations: The Pritzker Angle ([55:38] – [60:23])

Key Discussion Points

• Newly surfaced (but previously available) Epstein deposition excerpts directly name Tom Pritzker—cousin to Illinois Governor JB Pritzker—as involved with Epstein and alleged abuse victim Virginia Giuffre.
• Jimmy Dore connects the Pritzker family’s political fundraising, connections with Clinton, Gates, and others, and hotel empire as potential enabling factors for Epstein’s crimes.
• Discussion underscores the lack of mainstream media and political will to pursue the Epstein network, and cynically links it back to why public faith in institutions is collapsing.

Notable Quotes

• Jimmy Dore (reading):
  “Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre gave sworn testimony she was forced to have sex, AKA trafficked, with Hyatt Hotel’s chairman Tom Pritzker… Pritzker was listed as numero uno in Epstein’s black book.” ([55:38])
• Jackson Hinkle:
  “The pieces are coming together. The more people are going to continue demanding the answer. So I don't see why the Trump administration doesn’t just pull off the band aid and get this over with.” ([59:25])

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Final Thoughts: Why No Change or Justice? ([60:23] – end)

Key Discussion Points

• Jimmy questions why neither party, even populists allegedly hostile to the establishment, deliver on exposing or punishing any of the deep corruption (Epstein, Kirk, etc.)
• References to Trump shutting down the investigation into his own attempted assassination—implying complicity, cowardice, or fear.
• The institutional response is always to shame and silence inquiry (“Don’t look into Charlie Kirk. Don’t look into Butler, Pennsylvania. Don’t look into anything. Just shut up and listen…” ([61:35])).

Notable Quotes

• Jimmy Dore:
  “They’re trying to shame people into not looking into Jeffrey Epstein. Don’t look into Charlie Kirk. Don’t look into Butler, Pennsylvania. Don’t look into anything. Just shut up and listen to the man from the government. He’s telling you the truth.” ([61:35])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• White House Satire: [00:56]–[07:33]
• Candace Owens/Charlie Kirk Segment: [08:56]–[14:40]
• Crowder, Carroll, Infighting: [16:51]–[21:42]
• Owens on Israel, Security and Free Speech: [21:56]–[23:28]
• Israel/Trump/Annexation Drama: [24:48]–[42:16]
• Steve Bannon’s Third Term Rhetoric: [42:16]–[48:19]
• Epstein-Pritzker Segment: [55:38]–[60:23]
• End/Conclusions: [61:07]–end

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Podcast Tone & Style

Highly satirical, irreverent, and cynical, mixing biting comedic bits with genuine investigative outrage. The hosts frequently mock official narratives, mainstream media, right-wing personalities, and American political passivity. They blend outlandish hypothetical bits (“construction paper” blueprints for the White House, etc.) with serious skepticism about state power, foreign influence, and deep corruption.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you’ve missed this episode, you’ll find Jimmy Dore and guests skewering the mainstream and alt-right’s narratives around Trump, Charlie Kirk, Israel, and political assassinations. You’ll hear satirical phone-ins, sharp takedowns of establishment and dissident right figures, and a through-line of warning about American institutions’ lack of accountability—from wars to Epstein. The show’s style is unapologetically confrontational and loaded with gallows humor.

Transcript

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Hey, what's up, dude? It's J.D.

[Jimmy Dore]

Van. Oh, Mr. Vice President. How are you?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

I'm sorry, Jimmy, you're gonna have to speak up a little. It's kind of noisy around here.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, got it. What's all the noise?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

We're having some renovations done across the street at the White House. The crews are busy at work and making one heck of a racket.

[Jimmy Dore]

Is this preparation for Donald Trump's new White House ballroom?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Yeah, we're all really excited about it and everyone agrees it's a really good idea. I don't know how the White House has managed two and a quarter centuries without a giant, gaudy, dedicated ballroom, but that is about to end.

[Jimmy Dore]

And what will be the purpose of this ballroom place?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

To hold balls, I guess. I suppose in the past, they've always tried to hold balls in other parts of the White House, but those places were simply insufficient to hold balls.

[Jimmy Dore]

Is this what the American people really want, though? This president completely overhauling the White House in this sort of fancy, gold leaf, wealth flaunting way during a government shutdown, no less.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Jimmy, every president ever has added their changes to the White House. This is nothing new. And yes, it's no secret that the President. President Trump's personal taste, shall we say, skew rococo?

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm sorry? Skew rococo. What does that mean?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

It means that even though Donald Trump is rich, his idea of wealth is no different from that of an emotionally neglected third grader who finds a $20 bill on the ground.

[Jimmy Dore]

I see. Well, I've seen pictures of the demolition of the East Wing and it's pretty striking, honestly.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Oh, brother. It's not a demolition. They're just removing a facade. Like we said those pictures are misleading or have been doctored or both. Oh, thank God the noise stopped. It must be their lunch break. Why can't you libs and lefties just accept that we know what we're doing? That finally the grown ups are in charge. The people who actually know how to do things and then do them.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hold on, Mr. Vice President. We got another call coming. Hello? This is Jimmy Dorshaw. Who's this?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Hey. Hi, this is John o'. Leary. I'm a foreman over at the White House job site. We got some problems. Is the Vice President there? Yes, I'm here, but why are you contacting me in this way? You can't get a hold of anybody who government shut down. Nobody's answering the phones. Then we found out you were going to be on this Internet TV show, whatever the fuck this is, and then found out we could call in. Call in.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, welcome to the show, sir.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Hey, pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me, Jim. Okay, fine. What is the problem? I swear I got to take care of everything around here. Well, the problem is the Vice President is the demolition we're doing on the fucking White House. He's operating under no guidance whatsoever. I'm actually a subcontractor. And I figured when I got on site someone would know what we're doing, but they just don't. No one has any physical plans. It's all oral instruction. Just do what you were told.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm sorry. I actually worked in construction. Mr. O', Leary, shouldn't you just operate based on what the permit says?

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

There is no permit.

[Jimmy Dore]

There's no permit for what you're doing. There's no city permit for tearing down the White House.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Yeah, we thought that was weird, too. You don't need a permit, sir. We're the White House. We rank above the city of D.C. you don't need city permission to do what we tell you. But there's still got to be some kind of plan. You or someone were given verbal instructions. Like tear it down from here to here? Yeah. Okay, first of all, those instructions as given, including tearing down a load bearing wall. What is that? What? What does that even mean? It means if we tear it down as instructed, a large section of the structure will collapse. I don't know how much of the structure because we were also not given as built for the House. White House itself either. Those are classified. Look, just tear it down in a way that makes it so nothing will collapse. Got it. Done. What other problem can I solve for you today? Well, you also want us to start digging out through the foundation. A new ballroom. Well, that's gonna cause some serious utilities complications. Oh, my God. It sounds like you're just making things up now. What is this? There's a utility easement running through there, Underneath which is a 24 inch PVC water line. If we disturb it, it will disrupt water service for an approximately 20 square block area. Look, just do it. And if that does happen. There's no if. It will happen. You don't know that. Yeah, no, we do. If that happens, we will blame it on the Democrats because of the shutdown. This might be an actual bonus.

[Jimmy Dore]

I don't think you should do that, Mr. O'. Leary.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Yeah, I'm with you on this one, Jimmy. Also, sir, you were given detailed blueprints for the proposed ballroom. Can't you work backwards from that? Okay, first of all, that's not how this works. Second of all, blueprints. We don't have any blueprints. We have a drawing on construction paper. It has no scale. It's disproportionate. It looks like a grade schooler made it. It's got stick figures inside a giant rectangle. They appear to be dancing. The obviously female stick figures have two giant circles on their chest. Well, just go off that drawing then. Just go off that drawing. Okay, got it. You got it, boss. We'll get right to work tearing down the White House. You're right. No real reason to dot our eyes and cross our T's on this one. What was I thinking? We'll just wing it East. Wing it. You gentlemen have a nice day. Goodbye. Jesus Christ. I gotta say, I'm getting a little tired of all the hand holding I have to do around here.

[Jimmy Dore]

I think it's pretty amazing that this administration's confident that they are experts in all matters while actually experts in nothing is going to lead the physical destruction of the White House. Quite poetic, really.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

Well, how about we invite you to one of our fancy balls in our new ballroom so you can see how wrong you are?

[Jimmy Dore]

No. No thanks. I don't want to be there when the roof collapses.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

How is the roof gonna collapse when the whole building is made of solid gold? Nothing is stronger than gold, Jimmy. That's why it's the most expensive metal. Duh. Oh, man. They started working again. It's louder. Never. I can't hear you, Jimmy. I'll talk to you later, okay? Oh, shit. It caved in. Fucking awesome, dude.

[Jimmy Dore]

Watch and see as his jack golf the medium speeds and jumps the medium and hits him head on. It's the chimney to a show. Candace Owens did a premium stream and she let some stuff fly. And let's listen to it, because this is wild. Says Candace Owens is now openly claiming that Trump killed Charlie Kirk. She insists she just knows. First of all, no, she didn't. She doesn't say this. I'm going to play it for you. She absolutely suggests Trump let it happen. And we know that's correct because every time Cash Patel opens his mouth. How about that? So let's listen to what she says. Hang on.

[Candace Owens]

Just really needed to just take a breather and really process everything that happened with Charlie and what it kind of means in terms of where we are. And I think it is a circumstance where we all. We just know. We just know that he was truly betrayed in one of the most egregious ways that I think I've ever seen. It has made me lose faith in politics, has made me fully lose faith in Trump. And I just, like, I just, my heart aches for the fact that he gave so much of his life to Trump into politics. And they just were like, nope, that is it. It serves us or doesn't serve us, and we want to move on. And so here's a holiday, bro. If they try to give me a holiday, what is with them giving people a holiday after they kill them? Why is that a thing? You know what I mean? Like, oh, Martin Luther King. What about this holiday? What about this boulevard? Anyways, let me knock it off. Like, they're gonna give childcare boulevard. They already did. They did in Israel. They gave him freaking bullet. It's like, as soon as they give you a boulevard and a holiday, holiday, they definitely killed you. Okay? There's no question they killed you. There's no way. That's like their signature thing. It's like, that's what they do. It's the. It's the fed signature sign off after they murder you. They're like, holiday in a boulevard. And it's never on the nice side of town either. Like, Charlie Kirk Boulevard is not gonna be a nice side of town. Anyways, I will be back on the 27th. You guys, thank you guys for all the support throughout these couple of weeks, these last really kind of six weeks since Charlie died. And we will see you guys then. So she says we needed to take a breather and really process everything that happened with Charlie and what it kind of means and terms of where we are. And I think it is a circumstance where we all. We just know. We just know that he was truly betrayed. In one of the most egregious ways that I think I've ever seen. It has made me lose faith in politics. It's made me fully lose faith in Trump.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's a big one. She didn't say lose faith. She said fully lose faith in Donald Trump. And it's based on the feeling she has. And that's the same feeling anyone who isn't brain dead or who doesn't get $7,000 per Twitter post from Israel feels. Okay. It's a feeling you should have after Trump just bailed out Argentina to protect the investments of George Soros.

[Kurt Mesker]

Yeah. Or how about the fake Epstein binders that all those other shills waved around like imbeciles. Have you completely lost faith in Trump yet?

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Kurt Mesker]

You should have by now.

[Jimmy Dore]

Those are the same. A lot of those same people are now attacking Candace Owens over this for her being the only one asking obvious questions, the only prominent part. We've been asking the same questions here, but she's much more prominent than this show. And so I don't see anybody on the right besides her, really. I mean, Tucker's calling out Israel left and right and calling out Trump for not being America first or our policies being not America first. He's, he's very, he's very cautious about how he speaks about Donald Trump as he should be and want to die and. Yeah, you don't want to die. You don't want to.

[Kurt Mesker]

I'm in space hiding now, Jimmy. One spot. Israel can't get me outer space.

[Jimmy Dore]

And, I mean, and Tucker should be, because he's speaking to people who support Donald Trump. And he's, he's a big part of the, the reason why the, the conservatives are moving away from Israel first and to America first. For real.

[Kurt Mesker]

Well, I'm going to Argentina first myself, but I get that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I know. All right, well, Argentina. It's Israel, Argentina, Ukraine, and then America. America's still.

[Kurt Mesker]

There's time.

[Jimmy Dore]

America. America doesn't even get a bronze medal.

[Kurt Mesker]

America's being bumped on this show.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay? So I think that's, that's, that's big news. Don't you think that's big news?

[Kurt Mesker]

It's big news that anyone would be saying, oh, she's lost it. Why didn't you lose it? I lost it. I can't believe you're sitting there like it's fine. Are you stupid?

[Jimmy Dore]

There are many people, even some people who I have affection for and respect and like, are sticking with the official narrative. That's just mind blowing to me. And that's fine. That's up to you. If you want to do that, that's fine. If you want to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald with the magic bullet killed Donald, killed jfk, yeah. If you want to think Sirhan Sirhan shot him from the back even though he was standing in front of rfk, you can believe that. Just don't shame other people for not believing that, that's all. It's their right to not believe it. It doesn't make them a bad person to question the establishment narrative about a public assassination. In fact, it's incumbent upon us to do so. What's that, Kurt?

[Kurt Mesker]

It's like you've killed him again. Jimmy, you heard what that pastor said.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I heard it. So. And she. And what is this about talking about you kill someone, then you give them a holiday? We'd never do that. We. Oh, by the way, Christmas is just around the corner. And make sure you stop at our merch store and pick up a T shirt anyway. Oh, wait, they were doing this for a long time, but they've been killing people give them holidays for a longer. So here. Since the Aztecs brawly breaking the senate unanimously made October 14th National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk. October 14th is his birthday. So they already did that.

[Kurt Mesker]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

And then the city of Netanyahu killed him.

[Kurt Mesker]

Guilty.

[Jimmy Dore]

I wouldn't worry about people remembering Charlie Kirk. You guys made sure that. So. So holy shit. They did kill him. Just so you know, the city of Netanyahu in Israel has honored American activist Charlie Kirk by naming a traffic circle in the prestigious Yamin neighborhood called Charlie Kirk Square. Tribute comes in recognition of Kirk's vocal advocacy and support for Israel, even though he was done with Israel for sure. So this is. Again, this is the. Just like they paved over the. The crime scene where he was assassinated, they're paving over his real, true life beliefs and they're making it a square.

[Kurt Mesker]

Jimmy. Not to be Billy Bibles about it, but since it validates the great state of Israel, it's appropriate. Traditionally, God would have them kicked out of their country by other countries for doing human sacrifice. He was real, real against that. And I thought that held true. And well, I guess this is Reform Judaism where it's cool.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Local officials and residents described the gesture as a way to commemorate one of the nation's greatest friends and ensure his legacy. Okay, so that he. It's been revealed for sure. No one denies that he said he can no longer support the Israel Project and he was complaining about his Jewish donors. And so how do you Circle. How do you square that circle? You just make it a square. You just give him. You just give him a square. The Charlie Kirk square. There you go. And then everybody just forgets that he was no longer supporting Israel. This.

[Kurt Mesker]

And trot out his gay replacement on all the news channels. As if it's not the most suspicious thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Jimmy Dore]

We should do a story on that kid Brylan. Yeah, I want to do a story on. They tried to make a new Charlie Kirk astroturf. This kid who looks like he came right. Right out of an automaton factory. Yeah, his name is Bryson.

[Kurt Mesker]

No, Brylan. Ryland. Hollyhands. Oh, it's going to take off. I'm sure.

[Jimmy Dore]

Jimmy. It didn't work. But anyway. Steven Crowder is upset about Candace Owens. Steven Crowder says you can watch this clip and draw one of two conclusions. Erica Kirk is evil and conspired with Trump administration to kill her husband. Or real Candace. Oh. Is a miserable. And then he says C word.

[Kurt Mesker]

Whoa. Are they married? Why is he talking to her like that?

[Jimmy Dore]

That's. First of all, that's not true. That's not what she's saying. That's not a conclusion you have to draw from this. Yeah, I could also draw the conclusion that Erica Kirk doesn't want to be murdered. There's a lot to conclude here, actually. There's a lot of conclusions you can make. Here's a really important conclusion. Not gonna say that. Well, he was raised in Canada, but he's an American. Steven Crowder was born in Detroit, but he was raised.

[Kurt Mesker]

He said something about Israel. Mildly critical. Get him the hell out.

[Jimmy Dore]

He was raised in Quebec.

[Kurt Mesker]

Oh, he's got sweet. Sweet. He's got. I mean, at least kick Mr. Hyde out his. His alter ego that he says he has.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it sounds like Steven Crowder has his eyes set on working more in the uk where TV meteorologists use the C word to describe a rain front.

[Kurt Mesker]

Yeah, it's like they're aloha.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, it's like they're aloha. They say the C word all the time.

[Kurt Mesker]

So hello and goodbye.

[Jimmy Dore]

Our friend of the show, Ian Carroll, weighed in and says that is such a dishonest and transparently incorrect interpretation of her words. Stephen, where does she mention Erica Kirk once? That's all you, bro. I like when people say bro. The implication from the start has been that Erica has not told Candace to stop speaking. If we are to suspect anything about Erica, it's that she supports Candace's investigation and is Possibly. Possibly even in communication with her privately. And if anybody ought to know that, it's Ian Carroll. Which leads to a second question. Are you. Are you that dumb? He says and unable to interpret basic English, or are you intentionally misrepresenting and attacking her for some reason? Wow. Strong words.

[Kurt Mesker]

7K a month, maybe.

[Jimmy Dore]

Strong, strong words. Kurt Mesker says choice three. You're a. Come on, that's a fact.

[Kurt Mesker]

He says it.

[Jimmy Dore]

What? That he's a closeted gay narcissist.

[Kurt Mesker]

He has a bisexual side named Mr. Hyde that he hopes doesn't rear T. You don't know about him?

[Jimmy Dore]

No, He's a creep.

[Kurt Mesker]

You didn't see him yelling at his pregnant wife?

[Jimmy Dore]

No.

[Kurt Mesker]

Oh, okay. Well, I. My good buddy Dave. My good buddy used to work for him.

[Jimmy Dore]

Maybe I did see that.

[Kurt Mesker]

Nobody who has worked for him has anything good to say or anything to say because he's very litigious. But what we know for a fact is he said I have a secret bisexual side named Mr. Hyde and we don't want him rearing it. He says this shit.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

No.

[Kurt Mesker]

What do you think I'm making up just because I'm a respected astronaut?

[Jimmy Dore]

Mike Mack says either Erica Kirk had Charlie unalived and is evil, or Candace Owens is lying about it and she's evil. That's it. That's your option? Says a guy named Mike Mack. Not Mike MacRae, but just Mike Mack.

[Kurt Mesker]

Was it Mac Feldstein?

[Jimmy Dore]

No. I'm kidding. Come on, Ian. Ian Carroll comes back at him and says, actually, Mike, far more likely that either it's is that Erica can't say anything as she's the CEO of Turning Point and there's a duty to uplift. It's her duty to uplift the legacy of her husband. But no one would know how the donors were treating him better than her. No one would know why he told them he had to abandon the pro Israel cause. Better than her. Far more likely she and Candace have had at least one or two private conversations and she wants Candace to overturn every stone and get to the bottom of what really happened. Sounds like Ian has some inside information. He does. Guest host Candace Owens shows.

[Kurt Mesker]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

And also, I mean, and so maybe that's, you know, you're not supposed to know this. Which way do you want me?

[Kurt Mesker]

Very possible. Erica Kirk is nervous because, you know, they did inside job, killer husband, and we all know it. And it's not miracle neck bones. That's insane.

[Jimmy Dore]

Far more likely, she and Candace have had at least one or two private conversations and she wants Candace to overturn every stone and get to the bottom of what really happened, because nothing is adding up. And so she has not told Candace to stop, which Candace clearly stated that she would immediately stop if Erica asked her to. So apparently Erica has not asked her to stop. Nothing Candace has said suggests otherwise. And to interpret as such indicates you're getting your information from out of context clips on Twitter rather than actually following Candace's reporting.

[Kurt Mesker]

I bet Ian shouldn't have text tweeted that, because they will now will try to make her tell Candace to stop saying, well, Candace is taking a break, so it don't matter.

[Jimmy Dore]

Remember. Let's remember what Candace Owen said previous to this.

[Candace Owens]

Do you think it's normal, by the way, that basically every person who speaks about Israel has to basically say a statement that's like, you know, I don't want to get killed. Like, like, literally you start speaking about people are like, candace, beef up your security.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

That's not normal.

[Candace Owens]

Excuse my language, but, like, that is not normal. Okay? It's not normal that people have to think about their security because. And by the way, so then the way that you get comfortable with it is you're like, well, you know, they shot JFK in an open car. So there's not, I mean, just sitting president. I mean, obviously my spirit doesn't really matter. If they want me, they're going to get me. That's not a normal thought process to have. We don't have that about any other country in the world except for the one that, you know, took over hours. And that's the truth. Okay? We are an occupied nation. And if it's going to take women, like having to speak up and say that to make permission, like to give permission to men to do the same, then I'm happy to be the first person, okay? I just want to be clear. Anything happens to me, blame the Zionists. Like 1000% blame the Zionists. Like, let that be my parting word.

[Jimmy Dore]

Whoa.

[Kurt Mesker]

I would have.

[Jimmy Dore]

She's not anti Semitic. She's anti assassination. That's what I say.

[Kurt Mesker]

She didn't say blame the Jews, did she? She said the Zionist. The thing that's not the same as Jews.

[Jimmy Dore]

Not the same. So Candace Owens still stirring it up, even though she's on break. Stirring it up, even though.

[Kurt Mesker]

What else can you do if your life's in danger besides say, just so you know who this is, who did it, what else can you do?

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, Kurt, you know what I say, Kurt.

[Kurt Mesker]

What?

[Jimmy Dore]

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[Jimmy Dore]

B R-I K.com it was symbolic of their control of you. That's what it is. It was symbolic of how they can humiliate you with impunity and you will never do anything. That's what the symbolism there was. It definitely was symbolic. And it was symbolic of who is the boss and the boss is Israel over you. I'm here with Jackson the Hair Hinkle and guess what? Israeli lawmakers advance west bank annexation bills despite Trump's past Objection. So J.D. vance is visiting Israel right now, and while he's there, the Israelis passed this annexation bill that says they're going to annex the west bank, even though Trump has specifically said don't do that. So as J.D. vance is there, they're kind of humiliating him and saying, we're going to do what we want. So here's this is what JD Vance said when he was asked about the vote in the Knesset on annexing the West Bank. Let's listen to what he says.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

We'll do.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, the west bank vote yesterday, that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Took place while you were in the country.

[J.D. Vance]

Oh, yeah, that was weird. That was weird. I was sort.

[Jimmy Dore]

That was weird. Oh boy, that was weird. Gosh darn it. I was talking with Usha and she said that was weird too. It was. Oh, that was weird. Do you see how this is my favorite thing he's ever said? Oh, that was weird. You mean that was humiliating and they were showing you who's boss and that they don't give an F about what you say and what you do. In fact, they waited to. You were in the country so they could extra humiliate you this way. Yeah, it is weird. That is weird. So let's. Let's do it again here.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

We'll do.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

The west bank vote yesterday, that took.

[Jimmy Dore]

Place while you were in the country.

[J.D. Vance]

Oh, yeah, that was weird. That was weird. I was sort of confused by that. Now I actually asked somebody about it, and they told me that it was a symbolic vote, some symbolic vote to.

[Jimmy Dore]

Recognize or it was symbolic of their control of you. That's what it is. It was symbolic of how they can humiliate you with impunity and you will never do anything. That was. That's what the symbolism there was. It definitely was symbolic. And it was symbolic of who is the boss, and the boss is Israel over you. That's what it was symbolic of. Let's see what else he says.

[J.D. Vance]

Vote to annex the West Bank. I mean, what I would say to that is, is when I asked about it, somebody told me that it was a political stunt, that it had no practical significance. It was purely symbolic. I mean, look, if it was a political stunt, it was a very stupid political stunt, and I personally take some insult to it. The West Bank.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, so it wasn't just weird. It was. You know what it was? It was an insult to you personally to try to humiliate you and let you know who's boss. So at first he was like, it's just weird. Now it's like, I'm actually insulted by this. It's weird that you'd be insulted by something weird. Okay, here we go.

[J.D. Vance]

It's not going to be annexed by Israel. The policy of the Trump administration is that the west bank will not be annexed by Israel. That will continue to be our policy. And if people want to take symbolic votes, they can do that. But. But we certainly weren't happy about it. Thank you.

[Jimmy Dore]

Now, let me ask you, Jackson, there's more to this segment, but I want to just quickly ask you, why do you think Trump has made it decided that the west bank is his red line? Or why would that be? Why. Why wouldn't he do if he was willing to stand up to Netanyahu and Israel, and why wouldn't he stop the genocide months ago? Why would he decide just the west bank is his red line?

[Jackson Hinkle]

There's no rhyme or reason to it. If I had to guess, though, I think it's probably an ego thing. Trump has to have one thing that he can hold over everyone, and for Netanyahu, this is it. This is Trump's way of showing he's top dog. And I'll add one more thing. The whole reason why J.D. vance is here is because Israel killed over 100 Palestinians in the first 10 days of the ceasefire. And they did airstrikes on Rafah. And instead of 6,600 aid trucks into Gaza, they only allowed in 983 in the first 11 days of the ceasefire. He's there to try and get Israel to adhere to the ceasefire and recommit to it. And this is how they treat him when he arrives?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So again, they're not allowing. So they're supposed to let 6,000 trucks. They're letting in less than 1,000. So they're already there and they've already killed the hundred. So again, Israel breaks the ceasefire in many different ways and they don't live up to their agreements. US Secretary of State Margaret Rubio said the recent Israel Knesset vote to annex parts of the occupied west bank was an attempt by certain elements to embarrass Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during. Vice President. Really? Let's, let's, let's learn what he says.

[Kurt Mesker]

You and the president. Vice president voiced opposition to annexation. Do you have the word from the Israelis that they're not going to go.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ahead with this in the West?

[Margaret Rubio]

This is a vote that they took in the Knesset. From what it was explained to me, it was elements that tried to use it to embarrass Netanyahu while the vice president was here. Suffice it to say, you know, we don't think it's going to happen. And more importantly, it's not from a legislative standpoint structured in a way that could happen. But it would also threaten this whole process. I mean, we understand that, right? I mean, everyone has to understand if something like that were to happen right now, if that were to happen, a lot of the countries that are involved in working on this probably aren't going to want to be involved in this anymore. It's a threat to the peace process and everybody knows it. But I'm not getting to the middle of Israeli politics. We're focused on peace and security.

[Jimmy Dore]

So he's saying that that was meant to embarrass Netanyahu, not JD Vance. I think that's quite hilarious. But here is A French reporter asked Trump yesterday there was a vote in the Knesset on annexing the West Bank. Do you see it as a challenge to your peace efforts? It seems to me Trump doesn't really even know what they're talking about. Let's listen. On annexing the west bank, do you see it as a challenge to your peace efforts.

[Steve Bannon]

Could you say that louder, please?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes. Yesterday there was a vote at the Knesset in Israel on annexing the West Bank. Do you see it as a challenge to your peace efforts?

[Steve Bannon]

Will you answer that, please? Because I cannot understand the words you say.

[Jimmy Dore]

Where are you from? Where are you from? She's from France. And everybody can understand what she's saying. What are you talking about? I don't even know what she's. This person speak English. He's talking to a foreign reporter who speaks pretty good English. And I could have. But anyway, speak louder. Here we go.

[Steve Bannon]

You're from France. Beautiful accent, but we can't understand what you're saying.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it seems like everybody else in the room understands what she's saying. Everybody else is just re. Yelling her question.

[Steve Bannon]

The west bank is, don't worry about the West Bank. Israel's not going to do anything with the West Bank.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Steve Bannon]

Don't worry about it. Is that your question? They're not going to do anything with the West Bank. Don't worry about it. Israel is doing very well.

[Jimmy Dore]

They're not going to do anything with it. Okay, so that's from the same guy who said he's going to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. Same guy was telling you that the reason why he's bombing Venezuela is because of drug running. So here's, here's that. Here's Netanyahu's response. You ready for this? So she's asking, hey, Trump said there's going to be no annexing of the west bank by Israel because that would threaten the deal and that would screw up everything with the rest of the Gulf states. And she says, are the Americans now dictating policy to Israel? Because it's usually the other way. Israel dictates policy of the United States. And so here's what he says. He says, I deeply appreciate Donald Trump's support in his wartime actions. My decision to enter Gaza City is an effort to rally the Arab world to rescue and free our hostages through our military pressure and his diplomatic pressure. And, yes, we brought back 20 living hostages, something no one thought would happen. And now his position we are taking, including Marco Rubio, said earlier with the Vice President Vance that advanced his goals, dismantling Hamas and its weapons, which is straightforward objectives for us. So what that matters, I think there is something significant in the cooperation between partners, which believe, I believe, is a tremendous blessing for the state of Israel. We are an independent nation. So he says, hey, we're an independent nation. We're going to do what we want. So let me just. Justin Netanyahu overrides Trump and says the US can't stop Israel annexing the West Bank. It doesn't matter. We're an independent nation. So what do you. Let me just one this. Today, Finance Minister Smotrich participated in a conference of the Israeli right wing newspaper Makora Rishon, where he referred to yesterday's vote in the Knesset calling for the application of Israel's sovereignty over the occupied west bank, which drew condemnation from U.S. vice President J.D. vance. Smotritz said there would be the Israeli annexation despite the opposition of US President Donald Trump. So he says, let me, let me start again. As far as it is up to me. He says by the end of this term, we will have sovereignty. Hang on. We will have sovereign sovereignty. Will be applied in Judea. Wow, he speaks fast. In Judea. Sovereignty will be applied in Judea and Samaria because this is the only way to kill the existential danger called the Palestinian state. So there will never be a two state solution. That's what they're saying, because a Palestinian state is an existential danger. To persuade, to perpetuate the belonging of these parts of the homeland to the State of Israel and mainly to base the alliances and peace agreements on truth and not on lies. I say to them, Trump and Rubio, with a lot of respect, appreciation and a lot of gratitude for their support for the backing, for the wonderful things that they have done and are doing and will continue to do. American recognition is not a condition for the application of sovereignty. So what he's saying is we don't need the United States to do this. It's, it's, we're, we're going to do it. And by the way, how many years did it take us from the Golan Heights law to Trump's recognition in the previous term? Friends know how to manage disputes. We will apply sovereignty. It is Israel's existential security. It is interest. Despite what the Americans say. He's asked yes, Once again, among friends. Yesterday I heard the Vice President say, oh man, this goes fast. A very correct statement. We are partners. We are not a protectorate of the United States. Oh, my God. Are they? We have common interests, common values, a common path, many things to do together. We are not subject to the directives of the Americans. And I'm not frightened. That will apply. That will apply sovereignty in Judea and Samaria and the Americans won't recognize it. I say again, American recognition is not a condition or the. For the application of sovereignty. It's good if it happens. It's good if that happens right away. And if it, if it happens in a few years again, it's probably going to take less time then the annexation of the Golan Heights to the American, of the Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights. And the same thing will happen in Judea and Samaria. Not on that condition. Then have. They'll have to get used to it. You say that they'll have to get used to it. I'm not saying this cynically. So he's saying we're gonna do what we want to do. And the Americans, it doesn't matter what they say because we're friends. Doesn't matter. We're friends, but we're gonna do whatever we want. And we're not a vassal state of the United States. We're not a protectorate. They goddamn well are. And that's why that's the only leverage Trump has, is he could pull the plug on his Israeli project right now if he wants. So that'd be great to see. It's not gonna happen. And I think this guy's right. What do you say, Jackson?

[Jackson Hinkle]

Well, if they're claiming they're an independent nation, Netanyahu saying it doesn't matter what Trump says, we're an independent nation, then they should give us back the 30 billion that we've sent them. Probably much more than that.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Jackson Hinkle]

Since October 7, 2023. They should bring back all of the Israeli spies that are in the United States acting as diplomats who are spying on our politicians. They should bring them back to Israel and the list goes on. Not expect any military support from us, not expect joint strikes on Israeli targets. And there, there's also one bit of this story. Did you see the tweet that Netanyahu put out yesterday?

[Jimmy Dore]

No.

[Jackson Hinkle]

He put out a tweet. We, we went through like all the cycles of Zionist cope and their Hasbara AI talking points, their Ben Shapiro talking points. Initially, Vance said that this was weird and he was confused. Then he said that it was a stunt. If it was a stunt, then, I mean, or if it was symbolic, why that's still not a good thing. They're symbolically flipping you off in that case, which is also not good. And then he said it was a stunt. And Netanyahu came out and said this was a stunt by the opposition in Israel. He put out a tweet saying as much. He said that the bill was sponsored by opposition, but the person who introduced it was a member of his own government, Smotrich and Gavir both supported it. The majority of people who voted for it in the Knesset were part of Netanyahu's coalition. So he was trying to make it seem like this was an opposition stunt, but it was actually crafted by his party, supported by his government. And he actually got community noted on the post because one of his own party members introduced the bill. It was crazy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, I wish I would have known about that. I would have included it in this, in my slides. That's. Well, here is Representative Anna Paulina Luna and she says to Netanyahu via tweet, we are an independent nation. If you ask for our help, expect to be held responsible for upholding a very well negotiated peace deal. President Trump has made it clear if you want American support, you must respect the terms and conditions that come with it. So we'll see. What do you, what do you see happening? I see Israel taking over the west bank and Trump doing nothing about it. What do you say?

[Jackson Hinkle]

I think that's probably a pretty fair characterization of what's going to happen. I will say though, this, this is interesting from Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, because one year ago, a year and a few months ago, she was on the floor of the Congress giving standing ovations to Benjamin Netanyahu and took a photo with him and posted it on Twitter celebrating his, his lecture to the United States Congress. And now she's out here basically doing what Trump is doing, but I think with more ferocity. She's, she's threatening Israel that they need to act like a partner rather than a, a, you know, someone controlling a puppet. And she also just had Kirill Dmitriev, who is the chair of the Russian Sovereign wealth Fund in the United States for negotiations about Russia. So I like what she's saying. I think she's on the right track.

[Jimmy Dore]

I agree. So guess what, friend of the show Steve Bannon said some pretty hair raising stuff about Donald Trump running for a third term. So he's, remember, Bannon's one of the, as they say, one of the chief architects of the MAGA movement. So listen to this. I don't know if you've heard this, Kurt, but this is kind of crazy.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, he's going to get a third term, so Trump. 28. Trump is going to be president. 28.

[Jimmy Dore]

Whoa, whoa. A third term president. So so many comparisons between Donald Trump and fdr, am I right? They both started wars. The only difference is that Trump found deportation to be more cost efficient than internment camps. So a little, hey, you know, yeah, six, one.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, he's going to get a third term. So Trump, 28. Trump is going to be president 28. And people just ought to get accommodated with that.

[Interviewer/Host]

So what about the 22nd Amendment?

[Steve Bannon]

There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time, we'll lay out what the plan is. But there's a plan, and President Trump will be the president in 2018. We had longer odds in 16 and longer odds in 24 than we got in 28. And President Trump will be the President of the United States.

[Jimmy Dore]

And.

[Steve Bannon]

And the country needs him to be President of the United States. We have to finish what we started. And the way we finish it. Trump is a vehicle. I know this will drive you guys crazy, but he's a vehicle of divine providence. He's an instrument. He's very imperfect. He's not churchy, not particularly religious, but he's an instrument of divine will. And you can tell this of how we've. How he's pulled this off. We need him for at least one more term. Right. And he'll get that in 28.

[Interviewer/Host]

You're not driving me crazy. I'm really. I'm trying to understand the coherence of the things you've just told me in the last few minutes. On the one hand, you've said the Constitution is fit for purpose. Secondly, you've said that President Trump needs another term, Even though the 22nd amendment makes pretty clear that he cannot have a second term.

[Steve Bannon]

And why does it make that clear?

[Interviewer/Host]

Because he's on his second term already.

[Steve Bannon]

At some point in time, we will make sure we go through Zani and define all those terms.

[Jackson Hinkle]

But even.

[Interviewer/Host]

Even if you want to undermine the. You will be undermining the spirit of that amendment, even if you find some way around it. And to those.

[Steve Bannon]

Can the American people. Can the American people. If the American people, with the mechanisms we have, put Trump back in office. Are the American people tearing up the Constitution? Would that be tearing up? Would they. Would the American people be going against the spirit of the Constitution, Ma'? Am?

[Interviewer/Host]

I think yes, actually. Because I think what you are going to. What you will end up with is you're saying the American populist justification for a quasi dictatorship.

[Steve Bannon]

That's not true at all. Trump works.

[Candace Owens]

That's what it sounds like.

[Steve Bannon]

Trump is a dictatorship. Did you just see the compromises he had to make on the big beautiful bill? You see the compromises he has to do on everything? On accommodating Zelensky, on what President Trump. President Trump is nothing but a series of negotiations to kind of keep this thing rolling forward. Where he's having trade offs all the time.

[Jimmy Dore]

How can you, Steve, You've just been.

[Interviewer/Host]

Spent the last 20 minutes telling me we have to smash the other side. There's no room for debate, there's no room for compromise. We must smash them. And now you're telling me this is a negotiation. I mean, that's.

[Candace Owens]

No, no on his policy.

[Jimmy Dore]

First off, the only way President Trump.

[Steve Bannon]

Wins in 2028 and continues to stay in office is by the will of the American people.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Steve Bannon]

And the will of the American people is what the Constitution embodies. And so I think we're going to be in good hands there. We need to finish what we started. And President Trump is the instrument, a providential instrument to finish that, to finish this job.

[Jimmy Dore]

Now, I think Steve Bannon has lots of. If Trump would have listened to him, he'd be better off in his first term. He's got a lot of good populist ideas. I think this is a bad idea. It's gonna. Can you turn up, Kurt? Say again, Kurt?

[Kurt Mesker]

You think people are gonna vote for Trump in 28 after what he just did, bailing out Soros?

[Jimmy Dore]

I don't think so.

[Kurt Mesker]

Is Israel the only people voting in our elections the next election?

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, you know, when he says we have to finish what we started, I don't know what they started.

[Kurt Mesker]

Killing the people.

[Jimmy Dore]

They're exploding to deficit. They're continuing to fund Ukraine, he's continuing to fund Israel. He's. He bombed, he bombed Yemen, he bombed Iran, he's bombing Venezuela. He's threatening to overthrow Colombia. He's putting sanctions on Nicaragua, sending more troops to Haiti to stop a populist sovereignty movement. He's doing everything the opposite of what people voted for. I mean, I don't, I mean, he did shut down the border, so you got. He's got that going for him, but he's now screwing over their health care. Steve Bannon was the one who told me that they can't do that. And he's doing it. And people like Marjorie Taylor Greene are the only ones screaming about it, saying that my kids health care premiums are going to double next year. They can't afford a house, they can't afford health care premiums. Where's our party? Where's the Republican Party's plan to fix these problems at home while he's going out doing John McCain style adventures all around the world still. So I don't know exactly. I would love to bring Steve back on the show and ask him what he means by what is you. What have you actually started? I'm sure he has a great answer for it that I don't see coming, but I don't know exactly what he's referring to when he says we have to finish what we started. They got rid of left wing woke policies and DEI and hate speech laws and they just brought in his pro Zionist right wing hate speech laws and censorship and antifree. It's the, it's so I don't know exactly again what in the hell that that he needs to finish because he's going to be a lame duck after the midterms and so the next two years will be nothing and we'll see what happens.

[Kurt Mesker]

What JD Vance pick up the torch of doing being Israel's bitch?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Kurt Mesker]

He'll train him up enough in the lab.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Trump is not eligible to run for a third term because of the 22nd Amendment. After FDR, they passed that amendment saying you can't run for more than two terms. Bannon's comments revived debate over Trump's long term political ambitions and the limits of presidential power. While the US Constitution restricts presidents in two elected terms, Trump allies have increasingly floated the idea of of extending his influence beyond 2028. Whether another run or a successor movement or continued dominance over the Republican Party. It is not the first time Bannon has discussed the possibility of a third term for Trump. In an interview on News nations earlier this week, Bannon this month Bannon repeated his claim that there are many different alternatives that would allow the president to serve again. There are many different alternatives to make sure that President Trump is on the ballot and, and if he's on the ballot, he'll win. I don't know about that. I really don't. Pannon is not the only Republican to have raised the possibility of a third term. Florida Republican lawmaker Randy Fine, maniac Zionist. He's also said that meanwhile Republican group Third Term Project earlier this year rallied support for a Republican Representative Andy Ogle's proposal for a constitutional amendment that would allow the president to seek off. You need. It's not going to happen. In a March interview, I wonder why they're doing. Is this, you think this is distraction, Kurt, to keep people talking about anything except Epstein?

[Kurt Mesker]

Well, I don't understand what Bannon's doing.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's what I mean.

[Kurt Mesker]

Too smart to be like stupid. So it's like it gives me pause. It is like a creepy feeling to hear him say it because that guy's not dumb. So he must know something. I don't know. But last Time he was on, he a lot of dumb gibberish about Israel, aside from the things he said, I agree with. Right. He goes, come on, Israel's in a tough place. Yeah, they should be. They should be. You know, I take that back. Israel doesn't have a constitution and they're a democracy. Who cares about ours?

[Jimmy Dore]

So, yeah, I mean, so there's. In March, Trump insisted he was not joking about the possibility of seeking a third term, claiming there were methods that could make it possible. But in August, he backtracked that on cnbc, saying he probably wouldn't work. He's probably not going to run. He hasn't. He hasn't announced any plans. A bid to amend the U.S. constitution to allow Trump to run again would face a high bar because you need the 2/3 majority in the House and the Senate, along with the support of three quarters of the state legislatures. So that's not happening.

[Kurt Mesker]

Or you would hold on to all the EPC information until then and make them vote for it.

[Jimmy Dore]

So I don't know if. So do you know? Yeah, I agree. So I don't know if you know what the fourth turning theory is.

[Kurt Mesker]

It sounds a lot like the fourth Industrial Revolution from the other guy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, I don't. You know what? I don't really want to get into the fourth turning.

[Kurt Mesker]

It just sounds like the same bullshit.

[Jimmy Dore]

It's over and over.

[Kurt Mesker]

That has fourth in it that I've heard 30 of them.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm just gonna. Well, we're just gonna leave it at that because that's quite a big statement that Steve Bannon made. I don't. He is a super smart guy, so I'm sure there's a tactical reason for him to say it. I mean, if they were planning that, why wouldn't you keep it secret? You know, why would you want everybody flipping out over it? Because that's what my. All my old friends in Hollywood, Trump's going to be. He's not leaving office. He's going to stay in. It's going to. And I'm always like, that sounds silly.

[Kurt Mesker]

Well, if everybody voted for it, right? Like, here's why I would find shocking that, okay, so they got blackmail everybody. They can make them do whatever they want. Let's face it, how would you get all the voters to sign off on that? That seems like after all this shit of not handling it, I. Great Jerry job on the border. But as we can see, it's a thing that was very easy to do the whole time.

[Jimmy Dore]

Very easy to do.

[Kurt Mesker]

It's kind of not Just like letting you say things you want to say up to a point, I guess that's an easy thing. So it's not. I'm not impressed. Like invading Venezuela, I have to say. I imagine it's not going to be. I don't understand what. He must know something. There's no other. He must know something that I don't know.

[Jimmy Dore]

You know what? If. If Trump is going to run for a third term, that would mean that Barack Obama could challenge him. Right. If all bets are off. If all bets are off, you're right. Wow. I didn't. I didn't even think about that. So if it's okay for Trump to run for a third term, I guess it'll be okay for Barack Obama to run for a third term.

[Kurt Mesker]

I thought it's okay as long as he's not in a row. Am I wrong?

[Jimmy Dore]

No, no. It's just. No. As far as my reading of the 22nd Amendment is that it's too. You get two terms. That's it. You don't. You don't get even if you split them up, you don't get to come back and do a third or a fourth.

[Kurt Mesker]

We gotta do it with things more like Israel, where BB's been in power for 20 years.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Kurt Mesker]

Democracy.

[Jimmy Dore]

It's a real democracy. Okay. Wow. That was so I'm. I actually will reach out to Steve and have him. Hopefully he'll agree to come back on the show. I would love to ask him questions about this. I mean, and everything. And everything about the Trump presidency. Right.

[Kurt Mesker]

Where's the people going to jail? Everybody said people are going to be going to jail. Very confidently.

[Jimmy Dore]

Steve Bannon was the one who said that Doge got to go to the Pentagon. They didn't. He's the one who said you can't take an ax to cutting health care. They did. They did. So he's exploding the deficit. I just would love to see, you know, now he's doing John McCain stuff. Elliot Abrams. He's doing John Bolton's dirty work. And South America and Central America. Well, I don't. So I don't. I would love to have them to bounce this off him, because I can't get anybody from the administration to come on. You know, somebody also suggested that he could use. He could get the US Into a war and use that as an excuse to stay in office. Oh, okay. Yeah. I really don't. I don't see. He could. I don't see that happening. But, I mean, I could see him getting us into a war. What's that.

[Kurt Mesker]

Can you see the Maggie people thinking that's a good idea because a big part of it was no more bullshit wars.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. That's the whole, that's the whole thing. But they'll, you know, they could certainly just like Israel to pretend like they were attacked first.

[Kurt Mesker]

Yeah. I hope it's the alien thing you're going to fake because I can't see of another false flag attack that I would give a remote shit about if it's not from outer space.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, I'm sure it's easy for them to set up a fake attack on American soldiers somewhere in the Middle east and say it was Iran.

[Kurt Mesker]

Oh yeah, yeah, right.

[Jimmy Dore]

That.

[Kurt Mesker]

That's exactly that.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's. They could always do that. Which sounds like the most likely thing that they will do.

[Kurt Mesker]

Yeah. And let's face everybody falls for it every time.

[Jimmy Dore]

Every time.

[Kurt Mesker]

You know what Bannon's right.

[Jimmy Dore]

Name name. I think Bannon is right. Name Name one war that Americans have been against. They're. They were for the bombing of Kosovo under Bill Clinton. They're on there for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq under George Bush. They were for Libya and Syria and Ukraine. Yeah, they're, they're all. They fall for the same story over and over. There's a bad guy. Hey, there's a bad guy. We got. We, we don't like bad guy. Really? A bad guy is running a country. No kidding.

[Kurt Mesker]

Oh no. Well, luckily we got Barry Weiss in the free press to keep him honest.

[Jimmy Dore]

Every. Every US President in my lifetime is a war criminal.

[Kurt Mesker]

Every one of them is worse than Putin. All of them.

[Jimmy Dore]

Every, all of them like is worse.

[Kurt Mesker]

They're all worse. Much, much worse.

[Jimmy Dore]

The Latest is about JB Pritzker. So breaking newly resurfaced excerpt from the 2016 deposition of Virginia Giuffre in relation to Jeffrey Epstein alleges that billionaire Tom Pritzker. So that's the. I guess the brother of the Illinois governor. Boy, he looks good. And cousin. He's a cousin. Cousin of Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker slept with Virginia Giuffre. Liz Crokin puts out the Jeffrey Epstein files confirm that Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre gave sworn testimony that she was forced to have sex, AKA trafficked with Hyatt Hotel's chairman Tom Pritzker. So this is not new information. I've covered this many times before. However, I'm very happy it's getting more exposure now. So here it is. The. So to your knowledge, you have only met one foreign president. To my knowledge at this time? Yes. And is there anything that might change your knowledge at a different time? If I were to see more photos of other people, I mean, I might be able to distinguish the majority of the people I've been lent out to, but who's to say there's not more? All right. If I were to ask you the question, how many times have you had sex with Tom Pritzker? Do you know what that. What that question means? I believe so. All right. And what is the answer to that question? I believe I was with Tom once. There she is. There it is. The chairman of the Hyatt Hotels and cousin to famous billionaire Illinois Governor Pritzker. There it is. Today it was reported that Hyatt Hotels Chairman Tom Pritzker had a scheduled meeting with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates at a Hyatt hotel in New York City in 2014. Epstein's victim, Virginia Giuffre, claimed she was forced to have sex with Pritzker. Pritzker was listed as numero uno in Epstein's black book. Epstein had a dozen numbers for him, including an emergency contact number. Pritzker fought the court to keep records sealed, shedding light on his relationship with the serial pedo. What were. What were Epstein, Pritzker, and Gates really plotting at this meeting? And did Epstein and anyone in his pedo ring use any of Pritzker's Hyatt Hotel properties to commit crimes against children? Weeks later, the diaries indicated a Skype call with Gates. And in September 2014, Gates came to New York for a number of meetings with Epstein. On September, the schedule said that at 10am Epstein was to meet Gates and billionaire Tom Pritzker at the Park Hyatt Hotel in Manhattan. They were to walk to the office of Leon Black, followed by a meeting with Mort Zuckerman, both billionaire investors. Tom Pritzker, chairman of Hyatt Hotels, was Hillary Clinton's second biggest donor in 2016 via his Pritzker organization, giving her $16 million. He was on Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs and labeled numero uno in the pedophile pedo's black book. Epstein had 12 phone numbers for him, including an emergency number. Why? The nickname was Pritzker Epstein's number one client or his main co conspirator. Pritzker fought hard in court to keep the record sealed relating to him and Epstein. Yesterday, he lost. Hyatt Hotel chairman Tom Pritzker, who's been subpoenaed in the Virgin Islands case, has also been accused of forcing Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre to have XCX with him. That's Tom. So I don't know, take her wherever you want. Do you want to comment on that, Jackson?

[Jackson Hinkle]

No, I, I think it's self explanatory how these pieces all fit together. I mean, the chairman of a hotel chain, massive hotel chain, I think people can put the dots together as to why he may have been a useful asset for, for someone like Epstein who was doing what he did. But, but the pieces are coming together. And I just say the more that the pieces come together, the more people are going to continue demanding the answer. So I don't see why the Trump administration doesn't just pull off the band aid and get this over with. Even Netanyahu has pointed out Ehu Barak's connections and his role in his relationship with Epstein. So, you know, if even Netanyahu saying this, why can't our leaders say it? Why can't they expose what actually happened as they promised to do for years in their campaign, as they were, you know, trying to get back into the White House?

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, they're all afraid they're going to get jfk, right? That's the fear, right? I mean, you know, you know, Trump closed down the investigation into his Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt, and that was completely suspicious, suspect and makes me think something nefarious certainly happened and Trump's in on it. What does it make you think?

[Jackson Hinkle]

The Butler, Pennsylvania one?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, he closed down the investigation and that just, it's all done. It was just that one lone nut kid with no footprint on social media and he did it and that's that. And they burned his body immediately after, you know, so there can be no real investigation. What, you didn't know about that, that he closed down that investigation?

[Jackson Hinkle]

I, I didn't know about it, but when you said close down that investigation, I, I thought, I, my mind immediately went to Kirk, Charlie Kirk. You know, it's, it's same old playbook every time. And, well, thank God we have Candace Owens for talking about what's going on with Kirk. Maybe she doesn't hit the mark every time with what she's, you know, prodding into, but clearly no one at the FBI is looking into this stuff.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, nobody. And they're trying to shut it down and they're trying to, just like with Seth Rich, they're trying to shame people into not looking into Jeffrey Epstein. Don't look into Charlie Kirk. Don't look into Butler, Pennsylvania. Don't look into anything. Just shut up and listen to the man from the government. He's telling you the truth. Hey, become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be, and I'll keep being me.

[Vice President (fictional or satirical)]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Candace Owens]

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[Jimmy Dore]

Do not.

[Candace Owens]

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[Jimmy Dore]

I'm not. I'm not. Not.

[Candace Owens]

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[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out, Freak out. Freak out. Freak out, Freak out.