Embalmers Report Persistent Blood Clots in Corpses Since COVID Vaxx Roll Out!

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Jimmy Dore Show - "Embalmers Report Persistent Blood Clots in Corpses Since COVID Vaxx Roll Out!"

Release Date: July 4, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Jimmy Dore Show, host Jimmy Dore welcomes Thomas Haviland, a retired major from the United States Air Force and a defense contractor with extensive experience in electrical engineering and data analysis related to fighter aircraft. Haviland discusses his findings from surveys conducted among embalmers worldwide, highlighting a concerning increase in the presence of unusual white fibrous blood clots in corpses since the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines.

Disclaimer: The claims discussed in this summary are based on the podcast transcript provided and may not reflect the consensus of the medical and scientific communities. Listeners are encouraged to consult reputable sources for medical information.

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Key Discussions and Insights

1. Introduction of Thomas Haviland and His Findings ([02:21] - [07:07])

   Thomas Haviland shares his background and the motivation behind his research into blood clots observed by embalmers. He presents physical samples of the clots to the audience, emphasizing their unusual size and composition compared to typical blood clots.

   "These are embalmers with 20 or 30 years of experience. Never saw them before until the years of COVID and the vaccines." ([04:06])

2. Scientific Explanation of Clot Formation ([07:11] - [10:18])

   Haviland explains the natural process of blood clotting involving fibrinogen and how it typically forms clots that are easily broken down by enzymes like plasmin. He contrasts this with the altered clot structure observed when fibrinogen interacts with spike proteins from the virus or vaccines, resulting in persistent and malformed clots.

   "Our blood's natural blood clotting protein called fibrinogen, is bonding with the spike protein... It becomes this matted mess, and then our plasmid can't not attach to that and break it down." ([08:22] - [10:18])

3. Survey Results from Funeral Directors ([10:26] - [14:07])

   Haviland presents data from his surveys, indicating that a significant percentage of embalmers have observed these white fibrous clots in a notable portion of corpses. He also highlights an alarming increase in infant deaths reported by funeral directors since the COVID vaccine rollout.

   "Of the 28 embalmers that said were present there... 18 of them said they were seeing the clots. So that's 64% said they were seeing the clots." ([06:24] - [07:07])

4. Potential Health Implications and Call for Further Research ([14:07] - [19:08])

   The discussion shifts to the broader health implications of these findings, including micro clotting potentially affecting vital organs like the brain and eyes. Haviland expresses frustration over the lack of response from health authorities like the FDA and CDC despite presenting his findings.

   "We're all the guinea pigs of a 10 to 12 year study on the side effects of the COVID 19 mRNA platform vaccine." ([21:12])

5. Personal Experiences and Advocacy ([19:05] - [30:05])

   Haviland recounts his personal experience of being fired for refusing the COVID vaccine and publicly criticizing military mandates. He emphasizes the need for more professionals in the medical and funeral industries to come forward with similar observations.

   "It's time to come forward and let the world know this is indeed happening." ([30:05])

6. Transition to Other Topics ([30:05] - End)

   The latter part of the episode diverges into discussions about Piers Morgan, allegations of antisemitism, and commentary on various public figures and events. These sections include debates about media narratives and political issues unrelated to the initial topic of blood clots and COVID vaccines.

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Conclusions

Thomas Haviland presents a troubling correlation between the COVID-19 vaccine rollout and the increased presence of unusual blood clots observed by embalmers. He calls for urgent investigation and action from health authorities to address these potential side effects. However, it's essential to approach these claims with a critical mindset and seek information from verified medical sources.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "These are embalmers with 20 or 30 years of experience. Never saw them before until the years of COVID and the vaccines." ([04:06])

• "Our blood's natural blood clotting protein called fibrinogen, is bonding with the spike protein... It becomes this matted mess." ([08:22] - [10:18])

• "Of the 28 embalmers that said were present there... 18 of them said they were seeing the clots. So that's 64% said they were seeing the clots." ([06:24] - [07:07])

• "We're all the guinea pigs of a 10 to 12 year study on the side effects of the COVID 19 mRNA platform vaccine." ([21:12])

• "It's time to come forward and let the world know this is indeed happening." ([30:05])

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Final Thoughts

This episode sheds light on alarming claims regarding COVID-19 vaccines and their potential side effects as observed by professionals in the funeral industry. While the information presented is concerning, it's crucial to corroborate such claims with extensive scientific research and consult healthcare professionals before drawing definitive conclusions.

Transcript

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Thomas Haviland]

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[Jimmy Dore]

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[Laura Kasner]

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[Thomas Haviland]

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[Jimmy Dore]

Hits him head on. It's the Chimitur show. Thomas Haviland spent 20 years in the United States Air Force, retiring at the rank of major. After that, he was major Tom. How cool is that? After that, Tom was a defense contractor working with the Air Force for an additional 16 years. He's an electrical engineer and a data analyst that has worked with fighter aircraft such as the F16 Falcon, the F22 Raptor, and the F117 stealth fighter. Tom's career came to an abrupt halt on October 2021 when he refused to take the COVID 19 vaccine. Good for you. This took Tom on a journey that eventually led him to the creation of three worldwide embalmer blood clot surveys to investigate the appearance of new and unusual white fibrous clots in corpses and their potential link to the COVID vaccines, as described by embalmers in the documentary, died suddenly. The the results of Tom's surveys are shocking and disturbing. Please welcome to the show Thomas Haviland. Hey, Tom.

[Thomas Haviland]

Jimmy, thanks for having me on the show to talk about this very important topic. I've got a sample here to show you in the audience. This is the white fibrous plots we're talking about.

[Jimmy Dore]

And Tom got on stage at my show in Indianapolis and he held that up and showed the people and we were all horrified. So, Tom, tell me where this is and what is this? Yeah.

[Thomas Haviland]

When I was running my third worldwide embalmer blood clot survey, the annual one last December, one of the presidents of a state Funeral Director Association, Mr. Taylor Moore of the Tennessee Funeral Directors association, reached out to me and said, hey, Tom, I'd like to have you come speak to my funeral directors and embalmers at my upcoming 2025 convention. And that happened three weeks ago. On June 8th. I traveled down to Franklin, Tennessee, just south of Nashville, and presented about our briefing. Because these embalmers, they've been seeing these clots for four years now, and they want to know what's going on because they've never seen these things before prior to the years of COVID and the vaccines.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there's some suspicion that those are connected. And you're seeing these show. Hold it up again. Show people.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah, so there it is here. I got an even more spectacular sample here, Jimmy. This one's a five and a half inch clot, about a half an inch wide. This one was taken out of the abdominal aorta. It's one of the largest blood vessels in the body. So these things can be super large. Like I said, these are embalmers with 20 or 30 years of experience. Never saw them before until the years of COVID and the vaccines. A few in the years of COVID 2020. But then it exploded with the embalmer seeing it in 2021 after the rollout of the vaccines.

[Jimmy Dore]

So. And we're not saying definitively that these came from the vaccines. We're just saying it's a weird coinky dink.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. And so here we know they have one thing in common, right? The spike protein. Right? Yeah. So I'll let you go ahead and show the clip.

[Jimmy Dore]

So here. So here is that you giving this presentation to these. What is this group of people?

[Thomas Haviland]

The Tennessee Funeral Directors Association.

[Jimmy Dore]

Tennessee.

[Thomas Haviland]

There were about 28 of them in the room who are actually doing active embalming right now.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. So 28. 28 of these people are active in embalming. And so when they do an embalming, they take the blood out of your veins and replace.

[Thomas Haviland]

And their job is to get the body ready for viewing for a funeral. So they take the blood out of the body and then put formaldehyde in as a preservative to keep the corpse preserved and looking good. So. So the skin doesn't tarnish and so no odor is detected during the. During the viewing of the funeral service.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. And here you ask some. So we might have to turn this up because it's a little soft. Misha. So let's hear here. He asked them a question.

[Thomas Haviland]

So in fact involves. Can I get a show of hands in the room? How many folks in here are actually doing active involving right now? Raise your hands, leave your hands Up.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there's about the 28 people in the room who are doing active embalming right now.

[Thomas Haviland]

Correct. Of those people, leave them up. Of those people that have. Do an active embalming. If you're seeing these white fibrous clots over the last few years, keep your hand up. If you're not seeing them, please put your hand down.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, so that's most of them.

[Thomas Haviland]

Quite a few hands up in the room.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's interesting.

[Thomas Haviland]

Look around. Correct. You see how many hands are up? Keep your hands up. Now, people that are other people in the funeral home, funeral directors who don't involve other staff. How many of you have seen the white fiber response as well? I know you wander into the. Okay, so a lot of. Lot of hands up there. Okay.

[Jimmy Dore]

So that's a lot of hands that are up at one meeting of funeral directors saying that they've been seeing these white fibrous. Fibrous clips.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah, Jimmy. And this is a big deal because it's the first time that we have official acknowledgment from a state. US State Funeral Director association that these clots are indeed real and they're prevalent. I actually ran a paper survey at that event that same day, and it turned out that of the 28 embalmers that said were present there that are doing active embalming, 18 of them said they were seeing the clots. So that's 64% said they were seeing the clots. And then in the survey, I asked them, what percentage of your corpses are you seeing these clots in? And that was 17%, Jimmy. That's one out of every six corpse. So these things are not rare. These are quite prevalent. They're showing up a lot in the dead. So.

[Jimmy Dore]

So let me. So. So tell me what I'm looking at here.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. This is a photo that came out of a paper by Rue and colleagues Last August of 2024. RU is spelled R Y, U. And it shows on the left there is what our normal blood plasma looks like, our fibrinogen that's in our blood. It's a blood clotting protein produced by the liver, and it's in a liquid form in our plasma whenever. Whenever there's damage done to the endothelial lining the inner walls of our blood vessels, veins and arteries. It triggers a clotting response and it converts that liquid fibrinogen into a white solid called fibrin. And it looks like nice smooth spaghetti noodles, like there on the left. And basically it forms like a net. It collects our Red blood cells and our platelets, and it forms a clot. And, you know, if you get a cut on your arm, the clots form there until the wound is healed. Once the wound is healed, we have another enzyme called plasmin that comes along, attaches to that nice smooth spaghetti, breaks down the clot, and then you're good to go again. But look on the right of the screen. This is what happens when a fibrinogen comes in contact with spike protein, either from the virus or from the vaccine. See all the twisted fibrin strands and the nasty nodules on there?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Thomas Haviland]

It becomes this matted mess, and then our plasmid can't not attach to that and break it down. So then these clots tend to grow and persist and they become these large, white, fibrous clots, like I showed the audience at the beginning.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so this was a paper. This was a scientific paper that was. That was published in Nature.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yes. And it's peer reviewed.

[Jimmy Dore]

So this is a peer reviewed paper.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yes.

[Jimmy Dore]

And it's showing you the effects of what the spike protein has on the normal clotting procedure inside of your veins. And instead of looking like that, it looks like this.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yes. Our blood's natural blood clotting protein called fibrinogen, is bonding with the spike protein, either from the virus or from the vaccine. Now, if you go to the next slide, embalmer Richard Hirschman sent about a dozen samples of clots that he removed from cadavers to a doctor, a neuroscientist over in Japan named Dr. Kevin McCarren. And Dr. McCarron looked at them under a scanning electron microscope at a magnification of 5,000 times. And this is what he saw when he took a thin 5 micrometer slice of one of the embalmer's clots out of a cadaver. Now, which one does that look like more, Jimmy? Does it look more like the nice smooth spaghetti or. Or does it look like this twisted, misfolded mess with the nodules on it?

[Jimmy Dore]

That's exactly. It looks like the ladder. Yes, it looks like the.

[Thomas Haviland]

Exactly. So it's an evidence that the embalmer's clots are made of this same combination of our natural fibrinogen in contact with the spike protein. As I said, either from the virus or the vaccine.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so I have one more slide here. Tell me what this is.

[Thomas Haviland]

This is just the same clot backed up at a view of 1000 magnification as opposed to 5000 magnification. So it's backed out A little bit.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, so.

[Thomas Haviland]

So basically, what you're seeing there, there's no wonder that our natural plasmid cannot attach to that clot and break it down. Right? It's just a twisted mess.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, okay, and so, well, here. Do. Do you want me to show any of this stuff? So you sent me this, the Tennessee.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. Let's go through a few of the slides here. I took a survey, like I said, with the 28, by the way, when I took my last worldwide survey, I took a worldwide survey in 2022, 2023, and 2024. Three years in a row, I've done this, Jimmy. I've sent the results in each year to the FDA and cdc, and they have never contacted me once.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ha. Of course.

[Thomas Haviland]

And like I said, my latest worldwide survey that I did last December, 301 embalmers responded to that, of which 250 of them, 83% said they were seeing the clots. And at that time, they were seeing the clots in 27% of their corpses. So when I asked the smaller sample size of just these Tennessee embalmers, as you can see, there's three of them are funeral directors only. They don't do any embalming. Three are embalmers only, they don't do any funeral directing. But 22 of them actually do both. They're actually funeral directors, and they're actively embalming as well.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, next slide.

[Thomas Haviland]

Then we asked them. Yeah, again, are you seeing the white fibrous clots? As you can see there, 64%, almost two thirds of them, 18 out of the 28 said they are indeed seeing the white fibrous clots. Next slide. Again, if you average all the bars together, they're seeing them in an average of 17% of their corpses, one out of every six. And this is a phenomenon, like I said, they've never seen before prior to the years of COVID or the vaccines.

[Jimmy Dore]

Next, what is the longest white fibrous structure clot that you have? What is that you have seen or.

[Thomas Haviland]

Removed from a course? Removed. Yeah. Look at that. We have seven of the embalmers said they removed a clot between 3 to 5 inches long. Five of them said a clot between 6 to 12 inches long. There was even one that said he removed a white fibrous clot over 12 inches long.

[Jimmy Dore]

Jimmy. Wow.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Thomas Haviland]

And we've seen clots actually up to several feet long. This is highly unusual.

[Jimmy Dore]

So your next question is, has a family member of the deceased ever asked you to look for the White fibrous structures or clots in their loved one or asked if you found the white vibris structures, clots in their loved ones in 2025 or any year prior.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. Of the 28 embalmers, only one said a person's ever asked him of that. Now, I think maybe because a lot of people don't know about the clots, some people may know, but are too embarrassed to ask. Right. Also, the death could be very normal. There may be nothing suspicious or unusual about the death. But I still think there might be this subset of people, Jimmy, who are in denial. Maybe they know about the white fibers, cloths. Maybe they even cajoled their loved one into getting the shot. And then they don't want to have the embalmer look for the clock because they're afraid of what they might find. Just speculation on my part, but it's a possibility.

[Jimmy Dore]

So here's another question. Have you seen evidence of micro clotting, also known as coffee grounds or dirty blood, in the drainage of corpses in 2025? And yes. 70% of the embalmers said yes.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. As you know from talking to Dr. Pierre Corey, this is another phenomenon they're seeing in people, too. The embalmers don't call it microclouding, like I say. They call it coffee grounds. As they're draining the blood off the corpse and trying to put the formaldehyde in, they see what looks like coffee grounds in the blood. This could be an indication of micro clotting which occurs at your very small blood vessels, your capillaries, and it can block the exchange of oxygen at the lungs and. And then they carrying that oxygen to all the major organs of the body, you know, including your brain, your eyes, where you have very small blood vessels. So a lot of people have been suffering from brain fog and poor vision problems after taking the jabs. That could be an indication they may have micro clotting going on inside their head. This is a phenomenon, by the way, that they had seen prior to Covid, but in less than 5% of their corpses. If you go to the next slide.

[Jimmy Dore]

I know the Midwestern doctors blog that I follow has also said that people's symmetry in their smiles have gone. There's a lot less symmetry in people's smiles because of micro clotting that people aren't even aware of happening. And so I've noticed that there's a bigger, more of a droop in my smile. I've noticed that for sure.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. I'm sorry to hear about your injury.

[Jimmy Dore]

Thank you in what percentage of your corpses have you seen the micro clotting coffee grounds? Dirty blood? In 2025, again, if you average the.

[Thomas Haviland]

Bars together, you get an average of 17. So one in six out of six again, Jimmy. And Dr. Richard Hirschman, the embalmer that I'm in touch with the most, says Tom. You know, before COVID and the vaccines, I would see unusual blood and maybe 10 to 15% of my corpses and about 85% of people would have normal blood. Now it's exactly flipped. Only about 10 to 15% of my corpses have what I would consider normal blood. And 85% of them have abnormal blood with either these micro clots or the white fibrous clots in them.

[Jimmy Dore]

So according to here, it says embalmer saw less than 5% of corpses prior to Covid. And the COVID vaccines that had that.

[Thomas Haviland]

Particularly in patients that had heavy chemotherapy. So this is at least a tripling of this particular phenomenon as well. So we've got a serious problem, Jimmy. The spike protein, we believe, has really changed the blood.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, there's a couple more slides here. It says, have you noticed an increase in infant deaths either at your funeral home or your local hospital morgue in 2025 compared to the years 2019 and prior? And one so one embalmer, funeral director embalmer, and 11 said yes. So 40, almost 40% of them said yes. They've seen an increase in infant deaths at their funeral home or their local hospital more compared to before COVID Yeah.

[Thomas Haviland]

That kind of shocked me. It's sad, isn't it? You know, we know that actually the spike protein from the vaccine is getting through from the mother to the child because they have found it in the delivered placentas after the woman delivers the child really delivers the placenta. And they found the spike protein from the vaccine in that. They've also found the spike protein from the vaccine in the mother's milk as well. So it's a very sad situation is getting through to the child.

[Jimmy Dore]

Here you say, what percentage increase in infant death did you see in 2025 compared to the years? So 14. Embalmer said none.

[Thomas Haviland]

Right. So if you just average the blue bar and the yellow bar together, if you do not include the green bar this time, you see a 14% increase for just those that saw the increase in 2025 compared to the pre Covid year.

[Jimmy Dore]

So they saw me, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that is pretty alarming. Here's one more.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah, that last. I'm sorry about the charts here. They show up better in PowerPoint than they do in preview mode. What we asked.

[Jimmy Dore]

Go ahead, go ahead. What age groups? Check all that applied. Did you see an increase in the number of clots in 2025 when compared to the years 2019 and prior? Most notable. The most notable increase was in the ages 36 and up.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah, that's where that purple bar starts. And that there was nine there, then 17, then 10 in the gold bar and then a couple. So what's interesting about this one, Jimmy, is it actually matches pretty well Edward Dowd's data. You know, Edward Dowd's looking at this from a completely different angle. Death and disability insurance data. And if you recall in his data, he saw in the insurance company data a large increase in death and disability in the 36 to 50 year old age group and up starting in the third quarter of 2021.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Thomas Haviland]

When a lot of companies mandated the vaccines on their employees. You know, Joe Biden actually tried to make any company with more than 100 employees take.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right.

[Thomas Haviland]

Now, that eventually was shot down by the Supreme Court, but unfortunately a lot of companies preemptively acted and made their employees get the shots anyways. So this dovetails pretty closely with Ed's data. And it's, it's shocking in it because 36 to 50 year olds are not supposed to be having strokes and heart attacks, which we think these, you know, white fibrous clots are. That usually doesn't happen until you get in your late 50s, early 60s. So when working age, people start having heart attacks in their, you know, 30s and early 40s. That's a bad sign.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what? And so again, we weren't we there, aren't we. We don't have any studies. We're saying this needs to be studied. This coincidence needs to be studied. And now have you sent your information to the new HHS director, RFK or the new FDA or CDC directors?

[Thomas Haviland]

Yes, I've sent Bobby Kennedy, Marty Macri at the FDA, and also Jay Bartaria at the NIH as well. And like I said, I haven't received any callbacks from their people yet.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, neither. So even the current regime hasn't gotten back to you?

[Thomas Haviland]

Not yet, no. Which is unfortunate. Right, Because I was hoping.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, they're definitely, they're definitely slow walking. The. They're. They're take. Taking away the. Or the. What's the word? I'm. The removal. The retraction of the MRNA platform. They're really slow walking that. So they aren't they.

[Thomas Haviland]

It's distressing Right. Because big pharma has a lot of these use. They want to use that technology for everything in the future. Right. Shingle shot, RSV shot, bird flu, regular flu. They want to retool all of their future vaccines using this MRNA technology using a lipid nanoparticle delivery system. And there's a lot of us, like myself, Dr. Pierre Cory, Dr. Peter McCullough, we just don't believe it's safe for humans.

[Jimmy Dore]

The MRNA platform.

[Thomas Haviland]

You mean the MRNA platform.

[Jimmy Dore]

Correct. And that includes Dr. Robert Malone, who is one of the. You know, he's credited with the initial discovery of how to do an MRNA platform. He didn't invent the COVID vaccine, but he definitely is credited and he holds other patents for vaccines, but he's definitely. So they tried to discredit him by. By saying he said something he didn't. They're trying to say he didn't invent the COVID vaccine. He never said that. What he said was he was the first one to figure out how to do an MRNA platform. And he was. He was working at the Salk foundation when he did that. And. But they, he said they couldn't figure out a way to do it safely, so. But now they are. So now they are. And by the way, let's remember, according to Dr. Fauci, most vaccines, you have to wait 10 to 12 years to figure out what the side effects of them are. So when people say, oh, Covid's over, I don't want to talk about it, we. Well, it's not over. You're in the middle of it. We are all the guinea pigs of a 10 to 12 year study on the side effects of the COVID 19 MRNA platform vaccine, because it usually takes 10 to 12 years. So we're right in the middle of it.

[Thomas Haviland]

And unfortunately, Jimmy, we still don't know a whole lot about it, because I actually tried to run a survey last year with cath lab workers, doctors, vascular surgeons, endovascular specialists that work in what's called a catheterization lab who removed clots from living people. And we know these clots are appearing in living people because I was contacted last year by an endovascular specialist and cardiologist in Jacksonville, Florida. And he sent me photographs of a deep vein thrombosis white fibrous clot that he removed from one of his patients. But later on that month, he sent me another email, Jimmy, saying, tom, I've been instructed to terminate communications immediately. Sorry for the inconvenience. So somebody got to him. And yeah, he's.

[Jimmy Dore]

So now you were not in the military when you refused your COVID vaccine, you were working for a contractor.

[Thomas Haviland]

That's correct. I was working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio. And I had already done a lot of study and I was looking. The CDC wasn't putting out good information. So I looked at Public Health England, the UK data, and they had a document that was showing hundreds of thousands of breakthrough cases of COVID amongst the fully vaccinated by the early fall of 2021. Right as these mandates were coming out. So we had gotten a email from a three star general on the base saying here's the date you had to get your shot by or else get kicked out of the military and government civilians or defense contractors like myself. And he tried to shame us into getting the jab. So I sent him back an email, Jimmy, and I said, shame on you. Remember this is an Air Force three star general. I said, shame on you. Instead of letting us decide for ourselves whether or not to take an experimental drug, you chose to spend your time trying to guilt us into taking the jab. Shame on you. And I didn't just send the email to him, Jimmy. I cc'd all 30,000 people that work at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio. Oh, I knew what was going to happen. I got a call a half hour later from my boss, my defense contractor boss, and I was fired from my $165,000 a year job as an engineer for shaming the Air Force three star in front of the whole base. And what did somebody had to do it.

[Jimmy Dore]

What was the reason that they gave you?

[Thomas Haviland]

Insubordination. So they will not be inviting me back to. And really I don't think I want to go back and work with people that threw me under the bus. It's kind of a shame. The one good thing I saw is, you know, about a month ago, Secretary of Defense Pete Hexith came out and did say that that order that was given to take the shot was an unlawful order. So he officially recognized that all those generals and colonels and all the military services gave an illegal order to their troops to take that shot.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, the Supreme Court said that when Joe Biden tried to mandate it, that was also illegal. Thank God for that Supreme Court for saying that. Yeah, yeah. And so do you get a kick out of people, you know, in a, in a bad way, do you get a kick out of people who are screaming about fascism might come to America? Like, like when I had Cornel west on my show and he was afraid that if Donald Trump became president that we would see fascism in America. And I had to explain. A C student had to explain to him that we've already lived through fascism, the biggest fascism we've ever seen in our life. The government mandating you take experimental medical treatments, which is Nazi level fascism. And they shut down people's businesses, they shut down your business, they arrested you for walking outside, for surfing. Here in California, what do you call that? 41% of all black owned businesses shuttered and closed down permanently. And it was all water off a duck's ass to Cornel west could not give a shit because he doesn't affect him, because he lives in ivory tower and his checks didn't stop coming in. So do you get a kick out of people when they try to scare you and say fascism might be coming? Do you feel like we've already lived through the worst fascism you could have ever imagined?

[Thomas Haviland]

Absolutely, Jimmy. Because, you know, if they can make you take an experimental drug, what can't they make you do? That, to me is the ultimate tyranny. And one of the things that really disgusted me was making little kids wear masks to school.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, that was just awful. And now the people who push that are trying to do mea culpo, saying, hey, we did. Now my kid is learning disabled, now my kid has been put back years and their language development has been hindered. And so here's a question that I'm getting from our super chat. How do we get rid of these clots? Is there a way to get rid of them?

[Thomas Haviland]

You know, once these large white fibrous clots are formed, there really is no way to get rid of them. The cath lab worker that I was in touch with, that doctor, he goes in with flexible catheters that either suck the clot out, scrape it out, or actually lasso the clot and pull it out. So the trick is to not have them form in the first place. And like I said, the spike protein is the culprit here. So Dr. Peter McCullough, for example, has a protocol that consists of nattokinase, bromelain and curcumin, which are all natural supplements. You can buy them over the counter, you can get them on Amazon, and they seem to do a good job of clearing the body of the toxic spike protein. There's other things out there.

[Jimmy Dore]

I've been taking the Nattokinese. Dr. Pierre Cory got me on that, plus ivermectin, kind of a high dose and a couple of other things I can't remember. But how are your symptoms now, Jimmy?

[Thomas Haviland]

Are they better?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, you know, I felt like they were a lot better. They got a lot better. I used to have occipital neuralgia, which is nerve damage, in my neck, which was very painful. It was very painful. Just the wind blowing on my scalp would hurt. And, you know, it's hard to tell because I'm 59, so it's hard to tell. Am I. Am I fatigued today, or AM I just 59 today? Right.

[Thomas Haviland]

So what's interesting is at that Indianapolis show where I first saw you, I don't know if you recall, but there was a young lady sitting at the table next to me who had the exact same injury that you had.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, really? She had cipital neuralgia. Really?

[Thomas Haviland]

Yes. And yours was the first case I had ever heard of that. And then I met her that night and talked to her, and she had the exact same injury you had.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Wow and wow. Yeah.

[Thomas Haviland]

So that, as you know, there's all kinds of things going on. There's myocarditis, there's nerve damage, turbo cancers, miscarriages.

[Jimmy Dore]

There's a lot of things. A lot of things going on. There's the hat there again, there's. I hope that RFK does the studies to see if these can be attributed, what they're attributed to. So we don't know, but we just know that there's a huge coinky dink happening.

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. We have to say the correlation is not necessarily causation. But, Jimmy, let me tell you this. I'm seeing an awful lot of correlation here. Does fast things right here?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes. Does fasting help clear up the spike protein at all? Do you know. Do you have any info on that?

[Thomas Haviland]

Some people have said that fasting does help. Helps clear some of the nasty toxins from the body. I don't know if it. If it helps in this case, but I don't think it's worth. I mean, I would try.

[Jimmy Dore]

Doesn't hurt.

[Thomas Haviland]

I'm having trouble.

[Jimmy Dore]

Fasting is good for you. I do intermittent fasting, and I just want to let people know that you have a free substack, and it's called clotastrophe, and it's at Laura kasner.substack.com we could.

[Thomas Haviland]

She's my lovely assistant that helps me with these survey monkey surveys that we do every year. And we'll be doing another one at the end of this year, Jimmy, because the CDC and the FDA are not looking at this. So we're the we're the only two people in the world tracking this phenomenon in the United States, Canada, UK and Australia, New Zealand. So we're not tracking it. It's not going to. These numbers aren't going to come out. So we've got to keep doing it until the FDA and the CDC get off their rear ends and do their job.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Laura Kasner is spelled la U R a K a S NER Laura Kasner, substack Camp. They can go find all the work, all the surveys you've done over the last three years?

[Thomas Haviland]

Yes, sir. Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. Well, Major Tom Haviland, I really appreciate you coming on. Thanks for doing your work. It was great meeting you in Indianapolis. Glad I could finally get you on the show and anything you'd like to say before we say goodbye? Did we cover it all?

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah. I just want to make a plea to funeral directors, embalmers, vascular surgeons, endovascular specialists, cardiologist. You know, these things are happening. Please come forward. You can email me@thomas Havilandbcglobal.net I would love to get in contact with you. It's time to come forward and let the world know this is indeed happening. And now we have video footage from Tennessee embalmers proving it.

[Jimmy Dore]

And now, you know, we met you on tour and we're doing our stand up in Indianapolis. And if people want to come see us, they can come see us. And we're going back to Toronto on July 17th, Red Bank, New Jersey, Northampton, Massachusetts, and Concord, New Hampshire. And then we'll be in Oxnard, California on August 3rd, plus a lot more dates. Go to Jimmy Dore.com for a link. But Tom, thank you very much for coming on. It's great to talk to you and we'll hopefully we'll see you again next time. We're in. Where do you live?

[Thomas Haviland]

Dayton, Ohio.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. Oh, we were in Dayton, too.

[Thomas Haviland]

I came to see you in Dayton, too.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh. But we didn't get a chance to talk.

[Thomas Haviland]

We didn't get a chance to talk too long. No, we did not.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay.

[Thomas Haviland]

I enjoyed the show nonetheless.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay. That Dayton, that was a fun show. I remember that show. Okay. All right, Tom, we'll talk to you again. Thanks, buddy. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week, and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to jimmy door comedy.com, clicking on join premium. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. And it's a great way to help put your thumb back in the eye of the bastards. Thanks for everybody who was already a premium member. And if you haven't, you're missing out. We give you lots of bonus content. Thanks for your support. The Zionists have turned on Piers Morgan, a guy who's had their back for the better part of two years while they've committed a genocide. Now, Pierce, now they've turned on Piers Morgan. The order has been sent out. Zionism is no longer profitable. So when it became unprofitable for Piers Morgan, he switched. That's the. That's the assessment. So you know what this means, Zionists, I just want to give you a heads up. What this means is that all your power is gone. Everywhere, all at once. And the ones who are slow to figure that out are the ones who will feel it the worst. But. But, you know, by the time they allow. By the time they allow a puppet like Piers Morgan to shove his own hand up his own ass and take control of his head and criticize Israel, it's time to go back to Poland. It's time to go back to Poland. BB Milikowski, the elites have now turned on you. Not because you're evil, but because you're. You're inept, stupid, and insane at being evil. And you blew it. You embarrass the ones at the very top, making you the weakest link. So here you want to hear. So here he is. Here's Piers Morgan doing some of his work.

[Piers Morgan]

I was told by the ambassador to UK it was a blood libel for me to suggest that Israel had killed.

[Thomas Haviland]

Children in this war.

No, I don't believe that was the case. It has to do with targeting children.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, no, no, no, no. Here it is. So here is the ambassador from Israel going to call it a blood libel. Watch.

[Piers Morgan]

Few days ago, you have two doctors in Gaza who have 10 children and nine of them are killed in a bombardment by your forces. That doesn't make people feel, oh, this is all going great. It makes people think that you're waging a systematic destruction, not just of property and of land, but also of children. And that's what's happening. The percentage of children, the percentage of children that you're killing compared to the percentage of you're killing a Hamas terrorist. What is it? Do you know?

[Thomas Haviland]

Do you know how many children you've killed?

[Piers Morgan]

Answer me that one question. Do you know how many Hamas terrorists you've killed and how many children you've killed. You know there's two numbers.

[Thomas Haviland]

I know the numbers that came from the idf.

[Jimmy Dore]

I know the numbers that came from.

[Thomas Haviland]

A very, very established.

[Piers Morgan]

Give me the two numbers. Give me the two numbers.

[Thomas Haviland]

Wait a second. We killed 30,000.

[Piers Morgan]

Give me the two numbers.

[Thomas Haviland]

We killed 30,000 terrorists in phase one of the war. Since the war is back, I don't have the numbers, but let me tell you one thing.

[Piers Morgan]

And how many children have you killed?

[Thomas Haviland]

We never target civilians, so this question is irrelevant.

[Piers Morgan]

How many children have you killed?

[Thomas Haviland]

Pierce, Israel is not children.

Israel is not killing children. Hamas is using.

[Piers Morgan]

Israel is killing children every single day.

[Thomas Haviland]

You're putting on Israel. It's not true.

[Piers Morgan]

What? No.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there it is. They accused Piers Morgan of a blood libel. And so. And her defense is. Because I said so. That's it. Because. Yeah, because I am a certain. That's it. That's it. Go ahead.

[Laura Kasner]

Piers is the ultimate submissive to power. Do you know how much of a kinky pervert you have to be for him to walk out of the orgy on this?

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Laura Kasner]

I'm gonna go. This is wrong.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Laura Kasner]

Are demented. Because Piers will tow. He'll carry water for almost anything. Remember when what seems as Tucker goes, it's kind of wrong to kill children, he goes, is it?

[Jimmy Dore]

Is it? He was. Yeah, he was. He said, it's war, so you get to kill children. That's how bad it's gotten. That even Piers Morgan is now flipped on Zionism because it's not. Certainly it's not profitable anymore for him.

[Laura Kasner]

Word is out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Word is out.

[Laura Kasner]

That's what that means.

[Jimmy Dore]

So let's watch him do it here.

[Piers Morgan]

I was told by the ambassador to UK it was a blood libel for me to suggest that Israel had killed children in this war.

[Thomas Haviland]

No, I don't believe that was the case. It has to do with targeting children. There is a difference because we are hearing that Israel is targeting children. And that could be further from.

[Piers Morgan]

Well, last week, nine out of 10 children in one home where two doctors reside were killed in an airstrike. What was that?

[Thomas Haviland]

Remarkable.

[Piers Morgan]

What was that?

[Thomas Haviland]

That has been based only on the basis of hearsay.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't believe that story.

[Thomas Haviland]

I want these stories.

[Piers Morgan]

Wait a minute. You don't believe that those children were killed?

[Thomas Haviland]

I have seen conflicting accounts and I want that story to be properly investigated before the international media runs with it.

I have.

[Piers Morgan]

You think those two parents, one of whom I think operated on one of the children.

[Thomas Haviland]

I have a question.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you think that those two doctors, the parents, they just Made it up.

[Thomas Haviland]

Why are they.

[Piers Morgan]

Nine of their 10 children had been blown to pieces by an Israeli airstrike. If this is true, you don't believe it.

[Thomas Haviland]

Well, there have. Why on earth was artificially generated imagery used to promote this story when it first.

[Piers Morgan]

I gotta say, Natasha, I think what you just said about that family is despicable.

[Thomas Haviland]

We've seen times.

[Piers Morgan]

Sorry. It's despicable. Somebody. You talk about blood library Bible, like Dave said. You talk about blood libel, you talk about lies, you talk about promoting propaganda. And here you sit here as a lawyer and you say that you do not believe those nine children were killed.

[Thomas Haviland]

I didn't say that. You're putting my mouth.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you believe it or not?

[Thomas Haviland]

Said that they were conflicting.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you believe it?

[Thomas Haviland]

And it needs to be invested.

[Piers Morgan]

Do you believe it?

[Thomas Haviland]

I thought you would be.

[Piers Morgan]

The parents said nine of their 10 children were killed. Do you believe them or not? Or did those two doctors make it up?

[Thomas Haviland]

They haven't said that directly. As far as I have seen. I have seen secondhand accounts and hearsay. But it's important to ask why are these civilians still there? Why is it that, you know, it's.

[Piers Morgan]

Important to us whether you believe that family have lost nine of their 10 children.

[Thomas Haviland]

I want to know why the international.

[Piers Morgan]

You don't do. You don't. And this goes to the point that I would say about Israel generally now in this war now, Israel says they don't believe anything. Every story that comes out about the deaths of civilians in.

[Thomas Haviland]

In Gaza, because there is a.

[Piers Morgan]

Someone will pop up representing the Israeli government saying it's propaganda, it's not true. I've heard it's not right. I've heard it didn't happen.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there's Piers Morgan flipping on Zionists and Israel. And I know everybody's waiting for Michael Rappaport to be the next one to flip. Imagine. Imagine being forced to like Michael Rapaport again because he did that.

[Laura Kasner]

No, I always. He was always good and stuff. In fact, in Fallout the series, he's great in that. He's such a scum. And I was talking to my Johnny Pemberton on the show, and I'm like. He's like, yeah, nobody knew. But like, he just came into his job. But, like, Michael Rapport's horrifying and he's definitely being paid. That's 100%, I promise you. He got paid Hasbro money.

[Jimmy Dore]

And so here is the Zionist turning. So they already called Piers Morgan a blood libelist because he's saying that they're Killing children. I think we can now officially declare Piers Morgan is an anti Semite. Says this Zionist genocide defender. Isn't that wild?

[Thomas Haviland]

Yeah.

[Laura Kasner]

Oh, when does it become official? Will that be on my tattoo?

[Jimmy Dore]

Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing. Although the Zionists want to conflate them because then they can. Then they could call any criticism of Zionism antisemitism. But Zionism is to Judaism what the KKK is to Christianity.

[Laura Kasner]

That's a great way to put it. That's a great way to put it.

[Jimmy Dore]

I've been fouled. So this is. I don't even know. Amical chickity says. I've been following Piers Morgan's interview since the beginning of the war. From the outset, it was clear that like most Western media, his basic inclination was pro Palestinian. Oh, my God. But he appeared to maintain a relatively fair and balanced line. Since then, however, I've witnessed a sharp and troubling descent into overt antisemitism. So they're. They're just calling him anti Semitic and sincere.

[Laura Kasner]

So that's actually a great T shirt.

[Jimmy Dore]

Actually describe Piers Morgan in two words. Anti Semite. There it is. And they. And they put him in a word. What? That is one word. That's one word.

[Laura Kasner]

I need a T shirt of that.

[Jimmy Dore]

So that's.

[Laura Kasner]

Look at.

[Jimmy Dore]

And he's wearing. What is that called? That. A kafir fur. What is that called?

[Laura Kasner]

You know what?

[Jimmy Dore]

Keffiya, I think it's called.

[Laura Kasner]

I don't want. I don't want the anti Semite on the forehead for the T shirt. I just want Piers Morgan in this keffiyeh. That's the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it's. It's time for Zionists. You have to face it. Nobody likes you. And the ones who pretend to like you are just scared of you. They're afraid to lose their jobs, the ones in Hollywood. But all that, all that fear is now going away and you don't have a plan B. And if anyone should have a plan B, it should be someone who keeps talking about raping everyone else.

[Laura Kasner]

Probably stand up comedy, I guess.

[Jimmy Dore]

Here's another one. Zionists had no issue with Piers Morgan being rude and arrogant for two years, cutting off anyone who dared show receipts of Israel's genocide by screaming, but do you condemn Hamas? That was his refrain. But the moment he turns that chaos energy on them, it's all tears and tantrums.

[Laura Kasner]

Here's what I'm with Piers. Here's what I didn't want to be on this Side, I'm prejudiced, like a good person against Muslims. Israel screwed up. If Pierce can't carry, if Pierce can't do this show, your venue sucks.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it's hard to pick a winner in this one. Piers Morgan or the Zionists? There's nobody really to like on either side. Sort of like a modern streaming service series. Nobody's saying that Piers Morgan has come to the light. More than likely his masters are testing the waters by throwing him into it and seeing what attacks occur. He's nothing but bait in the water. Maybe that's why they call him old chum at a men's club. Am I right?

[Laura Kasner]

Same as that guy, Bob Villain. Same thing. It's the same principle.

[Jimmy Dore]

Bob Villain.

[Laura Kasner]

Villain. Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Dave Smith says it's fascinating to watch what's happening to Piers Morgan right now because he has built one of the biggest platforms in the new media world. But it's a cycle that I've witnessed countless times. Typically, someone who has spent their entire life being generally pro Israel, seeing them as the good guys in their conflicts, will have a moral issue with something Israel does. They just go too far. In this case, it was the three month complete blockade of food and aid to a civilian population that has already gone through over 20 months of brutal siege and bombardment.

[Laura Kasner]

That's my friend, the Jew, Dave Smith telling the truth about that, by the way.

[Jimmy Dore]

That person in this case is Piers Morgan is then viciously smeared for the crime of speaking out against something unconscionably wrong. On top of that, you are subjected to the most absurd propaganda denying that the atrocities ever happened. All while people at the highest levels of the Israeli government brag about it. The only response is to insult your character and your intelligence.

[Laura Kasner]

Well, just like America.

[Jimmy Dore]

Just like America.

[Laura Kasner]

Before you're too hard on Israel, remember, your country is even worse than them. You see how bad they are? Yeah, the one you live in is more devilish than them. So don't ever put it all in the Jews because your bad country is satanic. Israel's like a little brother and they suck.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Piers Morgan isn't a bad person. He's just multiple decades late to understanding something that the rest of us already knew. So just don't be mean to the slow kid. That's what I'm saying. Dave Smith says. Of course, this has the effect of pushing people to oppose Israel even more as you recognize how comfortable the pro Israel crowd is with lying and smearing people. As I've said publicly many times throughout the last two years, I am still shocked at these tactics. Israel seems to have the worst PR strategy imaginable. It's as if they are hell bent on making the world hate them and possibly Jews in general while they're at it. That certainly seems what they're trying. Yeah. Because their fuel is anti Semitism.

[Laura Kasner]

How do you power a golem like Israel if. See, Dave's not religious. Right. But Israel is based on like racial. I used to dance around this for years because a lot of my friends are, you know, I was with an Israeli girl a long time and, and so, you know, if you love people, you want to overlook certain things. Right. Well, it's a eugenics thing over there, not a real. Because if you're too religious, you'll condemn Israel because they don't live up to the reasons God gave him that land. But if you're too secular, you're not going to be able to be moved by the religious argument. You're just going to see it for what it is if you want to, which Dave does.

[Jimmy Dore]

And Israel's never going to do the thing it has to do to save itself. It has to say that they were wrong and they'll never. And they. But they never will. So they're not going to save themselves. They're not. It's their pride. It's like chewing gum. It's going to attach to anything smart or stupid. So they attach their pride to genocide. Just remember, for down the road your pride destroyed you. And you know, here's, you know, this whole thing about the fear.

[Laura Kasner]

More than anything, the fear, it's fueled by fear. Think of the stupidity of this. Israel keeps Jews safe. It objectively does that. It has a policy not to do that. If you get grabbed hostage, they're going to Hannibal directive shoot you.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Laura Kasner]

So that you can't be used politically. And then you're going to have your family seeing dumb shit like wouldn't. Israel has to do anything. It has to. Friends of mine have said it to my face. But, you know, Israel is little, so it has to do whatever. Like Joe Pesci has to do anything. Oh really? Anything. Like trafficking American children in a sex trafficking, blackmail scheme? Is that that kind of anything? I don't think I'm on board for that.

[Jimmy Dore]

So I think, you know, I don't know if you've heard that. I've heard a whispers that Donald Trump has a plan. And his plan, he's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna turn Gaza into a huge water park with a huge water slide. And the water slide just. It Just drops you off in Egypt.

[Laura Kasner]

That's better than the water, which is full of sharks because they dump goat carcasses in it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Laura Kasner]

Anybody who knows anything about the area would. Would be able to tell you that. Notice how he's saying nonsense things.

[Jimmy Dore]

Can I have a pen? Thank you.

[Laura Kasner]

My friend Jimmy, a friend of mine, Yoni, who works on the Kill Tony show, was trapped in Israel. Remember when. Remember how Israel is saying, come visit Israel right now. It's a great time because it's safe and we're winning and. But they're not winning. So they tried to keep American Jews with passports. They tried to keep them hostage. Bibi was trying to hold Jewish hostages so Trump would have to do what he said. That's a fact, my friend. You know how he got out of Israel because they closed down the airport so the Jews can't leave. He had. Luckily he comes from money, so he got a boat and they had to, they had to sail like 1500 miles away. So. So everybody else was trapped as a hostage by Israel during the 12 day fake war.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, there you go. They've. The Zionists have now turned on Piers Morgan. It's not going well for the Zionists. I'm telling you. They really need a new PR strategy because they're losing. Breaking news. Sean Diddy Combs verdict is in. He's been acquitted of the biggest charges, racketeering and sex trafficking. Thank you. He was found guilty of lesser charges. Hey, guess who predicted that? We did. And when did we predict it? As soon as we found out that James Comey's daughter, the former corrupt leader of the FBI, his daughter who also handled the Ghislaine Maxwell case, it was sent over. So she's the mop up person for the. For the deep state that James Comey is. The deep state his daughter is also. And so here's the key takeaways. He was acquitted of racketeering and sex trafficking charges today. He was found guilty of two lesser charges of transportation and former girlfriend of former girlfriends for prostitution.

[Laura Kasner]

Nice. The prayer does work, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Dore]

So the stuff that. The verdict is seen as a victory for Combs, who was cleared of the most serious charges against him. His defense team opted not to call call witnesses before resting. That's because they didn't have to. Because they knew the fix was in. The fix was in. This is all theater. The judge is yet to decide if Combs will be released pending sentencing. The defense requested that Combs be released today on a $1 million secured bond subject to the conditions that he Surrender his passport and limit his travel to specific jurisdictions in California, Florida, New York and New Jersey. Prosecutors said they will seek a four to five year princess prison sentence. After all this, they're going to seek a fortif. That's what they're going to seek. Four to five year. The guy was Epstein level corrupt, running an organization at Epstein level. And this is, of course, why, because he's got goods on them. And. And that. That it's not entitled to release a child. Proof that he repeatedly violated. Okay, blah, blah.

[Laura Kasner]

Hey, you remember Bernie Kornfeld?

[Jimmy Dore]

No.

[Laura Kasner]

Another guy with a hair and my girls just like Epstein. Big is big pro Israel guy back in the 70s. And he had a house of girls just like Hugh Hefner and Bob Guccione and the guy from Hustler. Remember, they would. And they're all pimps. All of them are pimps. And they made it like they're just these rich guys that they have 50 girlfriends, which, looking back now, it's kind of obvious they're all part of intel. There's no rich guy that. That's. That has 60 girlfriends that, hey, come to my house and bang some of these girls. They're just doing that to be cool.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right?

[Laura Kasner]

That's to get dirt.

[Jimmy Dore]

So a spokesperson for Combs. I have breaking news. A spokesperson for Combs says that he plans to celebrate the verdict at home with his family in a big, weird Satan org. So. Yeah, so. So everybody's trying to bend over backwards to figure out how this could be the verdict. What is the wind direction? Was it some social influence? Most likely it's because all those drawers have received a brand new car along with. With a body in the trunk as a little reminder of who they're dealing with. All those jurors. I'm sorry. All those jurors have received a brand new car along with a body in the trunk as a little reminder of who they're dealing with.

[Laura Kasner]

So I'll bet you they didn't have to do that. I'll bet you his son recycled the plastic and threw out the pizza boxes like his dad said in that phone call. Because you saw those tapes and digital evidence they got out of his. Did any of that come up in the trial? No.

[Jimmy Dore]

No, none of it did.

[Laura Kasner]

And so we already know. Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

And let's remember, Kurt, that Diddy is not the scary part of this scenario. It's the guests at his parties that are the scary part. Look at what public. Look at what public perception can do to a career, especially now that Tom Hanks is Relegated to playing thug number three in a bar fight scene somewhere, is he?

[Laura Kasner]

I thought he's been such a good agent.

[Jimmy Dore]

So here our friend Viva Fry, he called this a while ago. Let's watch. You have this entire blackmail extortion ring. They went and raided Diddy's house. There were cameras there. We know that it involves, you know, the higher ups in the entertainment industry, if not the world of politics as well.

[Thomas Haviland]

And this entire prosecution is reduced to.

[Jimmy Dore]

P. Diddy and what we know of his abuse of Cassie and potentially Jane. And then once you flesh out the fact that for whatever the reason, Maureen Comey, James Comey's daughter, is still involved.

[G]

As one of the.

[Jimmy Dore]

This trial, this trial is a show trial, because where they're going to get.

[Thomas Haviland]

Him on something, it might just be.

[Jimmy Dore]

The, you know, trafficking for prostitution purposes, which seems undeniable. Send him away for 10 years, maybe he gets out after eight. And then you successfully covered up the.

[Thomas Haviland]

Entire extortion ring that P. Did.

[Jimmy Dore]

He was running, much like what they did with Epstein. Oh, that's very interesting. So, as Alex Jones said, he's been convicted of stuff that's legal in Vegas turn up, Kurt. So you want to hear it? Here, here's, here's, here's what? Here's Alex Jones's take. Let's see. Is this going to work completely legal.

[G]

In places like Las Vegas? So what really happened here?

[Jimmy Dore]

What really happened, Alex?

[G]

Well, the. The mere fact that James Comey's daughter was given the case out of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of federal prosecutors. And then she's given all of the Epstein related stuff, Ghislaine Maxwell, a whole bunch of other ones. It all gets handed to her because daddy is on record as the controller of the. Not just Epstein files and videos, but all the other big sex trafficking pedophilia operations. Just like J. Edgar Hoover used that for control. And Diddy was heavily involved with people that were above Epstein. And so clearly she went in just like she did in all these other cases. I mean, dozens. And she minimizes it and contains it. And now you notice they've had these other big lawyers pushing for Trump to pardon Ghislaine, which would be totally insane. And then I really would think maybe, maybe Trump is in some files we don't know about, but never seen evidence that so far, but the fact that's been flooded to him is, as Roger Stone said, the worst idea ever hurt in his life. So there's not just smoke, there's fire here. And so normally I wouldn't just cover this. It was some rich, you know, billionaire at one point, rapper engaged, a bunch of pimping or whatever. I mean, my God, Snoop Dogg admits he was a pimp for many years. No, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is Peto stuff. I mean, my God, he's had like Justin Bieber when he's like 14, going, yeah, baby, we had some fun tonight. Yeah, you like it? We can't tell people what we do here on the island, but it's a lot of fun, isn't it? I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's sick stuff. But the fact they sent Comey in, who controls the Epstein file, you know, it's CIA, Mossad, it's all coming up on the other side. You know, what's going on.

[Jimmy Dore]

So Diddy, Remember everybody said Diddy was cooked.

[Laura Kasner]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

But he's certainly a slippery character. That did he yesterday. I'll tell you. In fact, I bet right now he's getting all oiled up for his big release.

[Laura Kasner]

That slippery guy.

[Jimmy Dore]

He's a slippery guy. So there you go. As predicted, we as soon as we heard James Comey's daughter was on this case, we knew the fix was in. And the fix is in.

[Laura Kasner]

Yeah, Whitey Webb called it as well. I can't remember who else, but, I mean, anybody that paid any attention to who was involved in the Ghislaine thing. Why is James Comey, a guy that I thought was going to jail after his death threats to Trump.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[Laura Kasner]

Why is his family involved in anything? Why has nobody gone to jail since Trump got in? Does anybody ask that?

[Jimmy Dore]

Nobody's going. Nobody's gone to jail.

[Laura Kasner]

We deported some people the wrong country. I feel like less than satisfied with that.

[Jimmy Dore]

I feel very less than satisfied with this. They talked about a little bit on NBC.

[Thomas Haviland]

This is coming in real time. And we have count one here. This is the racketeering charge. We have the count here of not guilty on racketeering. This is coming in in real time. We have count two, also coming in here, not guilty. That is the sex trafficking of Cassie Ventura. Count three, we have guilty. Count three is guilty. For the transportation of Cassie Ventura. That is guilty. Count four, this is the sex trafficking of Jane. That's a pseudonym. Not guilty. Count five, we have guilty. That is five counts. We have a mixed verdict here again. Count one, as it relates to racketeering, not guilty. Count two, as it relates to sex trafficking, not guilty. Count three, guilty. Count four, not guilty. Count five, guilty.

[Jimmy Dore]

So transportation to engage in prostitution. Again, legal racist 1. Legal legal in Vegas.

[Laura Kasner]

The one they for to get Jack Johnson, the black boxer. He always did really pale white women. And they made up a special rule for him.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's right. That's what that, that's coming from over a hundred years ago.

[Laura Kasner]

And so you could get them on real trafficking but they're not gonna.

[Jimmy Dore]

No.

[Laura Kasner]

That implicates a lot of baseless brothers. Remember those guys, the ones that made the thing about Joe Rogan over the pandemic?

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh really?

[Laura Kasner]

Ron Burkle, the big, big producer. Of course Hillary, most of the dnc. See, I don't get why they covered this up because I thought the Democrats are done. Trump and Blobbity Blop and Tim Pool said blah blah, blah. Nothing, nothing. The system saves the system.

[Thomas Haviland]

Now we should bring up here, Misty, all of these counts have a range of different sentences.

[Jimmy Dore]

I, I don't want to. I just think that this cop should maybe think about a sit up. Anyway.

[Thomas Haviland]

There's a range of different evidentiary burdens, a range of different outcomes we could have had here. But it is a mixed verdict, if you will.

[Jimmy Dore]

It's a mixed verdict, but it is a stunning victory for the defense. Stunning victory for the charges. These were the easiest for prosecutors to prove. The lowest hanging fruit merely required showing that state lines were crossed for the purpose to engage in prostitution. We saw a lot of evidence on these charges did not have that element, Laura, of force, fraud or coercion. And this carries the lightest sentence of these charges. It is a maximum of 10 years. And keep in mind when you're talking about maximums, maximums aren't the rule. They are the exception, therefore the most exceptional and severe cases. So now you're talking about a sentence that's potentially in the lower range with time served because he's been behind bars. The fact that these sex trafficking charges specifically with respect to Cassie Ventura means that the jury was convinced by the defense, at least with respect to reasonable doubt, that the commercial sex, that is the freak offs were not connected to some of this violence. That there was not that force, fraud or coercion element. That is by far from a penalty perspective the most serious. It carried a 15 year minimum. So that is a huge distinction. This is the best case scenario in my view for the defense. A lot of us opined yesterday that when the jury asked for a read back of Cassie Ventur and Daniel Phillips.

One of the escorts, so this, so again this was the best case scenario for Diddy and he got it and it was predicted not only by Viva Fry, not only by us, not only by Whitey Webb, but a lot of people. As soon as we found out that James Comey's daughter was in charge of this, we knew it was Maureen. Maureen Comey.

[Laura Kasner]

So did you see her face? She looks like someone that mops up at a pervert orgy.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yes.

[Laura Kasner]

Time for Marie. Come and clean up.

[Jimmy Dore]

Hey. Become a premium member. Go to jimmy door comedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at Bob mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me.

[Thomas Haviland]

Don't freak out. Don't freak out.

[Jimmy Dore]

Don't freak out.

[Thomas Haviland]

Don't.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not freak out.

[Thomas Haviland]

I'm not kidding.

[Jimmy Dore]

Do not.

[Laura Kasner]

Do not.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not, I'm not. Don't freak out, don't freak out. Do not freak out, Freak out, Freak out, Freak out, freak out.