Here’s The BIGGEST Surprise From Zelensky’s White House Meeting!

Summary

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The Jimmy Dore Show

Episode: Here’s The BIGGEST Surprise From Zelensky’s White House Meeting!

Date: August 20, 2025
Host: Jimmy Dore
Guests: Kurt Metzger, Ryan Christiansen (Last American Vagabond)

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Overview:

This episode dives into the surprising developments from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s latest visit to the White House. Jimmy Dore and co-host Kurt Metzger provide their signature irreverent commentary on U.S. foreign policy, media spin, and political theater surrounding the Ukraine war, the shifting stances of Western leaders, and corporate media’s rebranding efforts. Later, independent journalist Ryan Christiansen joins to discuss the controversy surrounding RFK Jr. and the ongoing development of universal vaccines.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Zelensky’s White House Visit: The Suit, the Optics, and the Desperation

Timestamp: 00:22 – 10:59

• Zelensky’s wardrobe shift: The episode opens with Jimmy poking fun at Zelensky for finally wearing a black suit rather than his signature military T-shirt at the White House.

  • “I love it. You don’t look like a bum anymore.”—Jimmy Dore impersonating Trump (00:22)
  • Kurt observes the "all black, on black, on black" suit and mocks the theatricality.

• War and Peace Negotiations:

  • Jimmy notes Trump’s meeting with Putin in Alaska to potentially broker an end to the Ukraine war, setting up Zelensky’s sudden trip to the White House.
  • Tweets from Zelensky highlight his public gratitude for U.S. support and lofty, bullet-point statements about peace and security guarantees.
    • “Those are like Coke tweets. That sounds like someone’s on Coke and they don’t want to stop to make a new paragraph…”—Jimmy (05:30)

• Sanctions Critique:

  • Zelensky asks for a 19th sanctions package against Russia, prompting skepticism:
    • “Oh, so the first 18 didn’t work, but let’s do another one.”—Jimmy (06:05)

• Dore’s Famous “Pattern” Segment:

  • Jimmy highlights America’s recurring tactic of arming foreign leaders, then abandoning or killing them:
    • “We supplied him with weapons and then we killed him—Osama bin Laden… Saddam Hussein. And now there’s Zelensky. To be continued.” (08:57)

• Outlook on Ukraine War:

  • Jimmy insists the war is lost for Ukraine and sees the suit as a sign of Zelensky’s increasing desperation.
    • “The last time it didn’t go well at the White House for him. The war is lost.”—Jimmy (10:59)

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2. U.S., Europe & The War’s Endgame: Geopolitical Games

Timestamp: 06:51 – 12:31

• Trump’s Leverage Game:

  • Guest tweet by @LordBebo outlines a behind-the-scenes timeline: Trump wants peace, Europeans want war, Trump uses it as leverage, and Alaska summit catches Europe by surprise.

• Europe & Zelensky’s Posturing:

  • Jimmy and Kurt contend Zelensky and European leaders don’t really want the war to end, citing “ridiculous demands” and the ever-increasing conscription age in Ukraine.
    • “I think that’s why they don’t want the war to end.”—Jimmy (09:31)
    • “They’re finally allowing 60-year-olds to join, which means they are forcing 60-year-olds to join the military.”—Kurt (12:23)

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3. Media Mockery: MSNBC’s “Ms. Now” Rebranding & Corporate Spin

Timestamp: 12:45 – 25:59

• MSNBC Rebrands as “Ms. Now”:

  • Extended satire and playful banter as they mock the cable news network’s attempt to rebrand itself as “independent” and “insurgent.”
    • “They’re a corporate news show spun off from a conglomerate… MSNBC is changing its name to Ms. Now. It’s short for My Source for News, Opinion and the World.”—Jimmy (13:44, 14:15)

• Insurgent Networks Irony:

  • Kurt and Jimmy ridicule the idea, especially as it’s recited by well-groomed anchors.
    • “Isn’t it kind of amazing… ‘We’re insurgents. We’re rebels,’ says the guy with the pocket square at 7 in the morning.”—Jimmy (19:36)

• Algorithmic Truths:

  • The duo question the network’s online popularity and claim about being YouTube’s most-watched news source.
    • “No way they are number one. Even that story was wrong.”—Kurt (23:10)

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4. RFK Jr., Universal Vaccines, and “Head Fake” Policy Changes

Guest Segment with Ryan Christiansen
Timestamp: 27:53 – 47:30

• RFK Jr. & the Universal Vaccine Flap:

  • Ryan discusses RFK Jr.’s now-deleted tweet touting a universal NIH vaccine platform, sparking backlash from the "MAGA" and anti-mandate community.
    • “RFK Jr says we’re developing a universal vaccine at NIH… A vaccine that mimics natural immunity.”—Jimmy (29:05)
    • “He got a lot of pushback… people saying, ‘That’s not what you promised.’”—Ryan (31:05, 47:21)

• Are mRNA Contracts Actually Ending?

  • Despite RFK Jr.’s claim that $500M in mRNA contracts were cut, Ryan finds little evidence of meaningful change: some contracts are merely renamed or slightly altered, self-amplifying mRNA platforms continue.
    • “Just for the conversation, let’s assume those are all being cancelled… But HHS released a document… They weren’t really ending mRNA, just the specific contracts.”—Ryan (31:05–34:36)

• Self-Amplifying mRNA Explained:

  • Differentiates between conventional mRNA and self-amplifying mRNA, but asserts current COVID shots effectively behaved like self-amplifying versions.
    • “The original shots we were given during COVID-19… were self-amplifying shots. I think you can clearly prove that.”—Ryan (42:16)
  • Raises concerns about ongoing animal and food uses, new contracts, and Bill Gates' involvement.

• Key Critiques:

  • The “platform shift” is mostly window dressing; the policy direction remains the same:
    • “It was a deception… a head fake that RFK Jr. did when they announced they’re cancelling $500 million for research… when they’re just actually shifting it.”—Jimmy (44:14)
    • “People act like we’re saving money. All they did was move that money right back into other versions of it.”—Ryan (44:38)

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5. Israeli Protests Against Netanyahu and the Gaza War

Timestamp: 48:51 – 56:00

• Massive Domestic Pushback:

  • Coverage of Tel Aviv’s massive anti-war protests, reported at 300,000 to 2.5 million across Israel.
    • “How come even Israelis are sick of the Gaza genocide but not American Zionists? Isn’t that wild?”—Jimmy (52:24)

• Narrative Control & Political Implications:

  • Dore argues that Netanyahu prolongs the war to ensure his own political survival, not for national security.
    • “The hostages' only chance is based around Benjamin Netanyahu’s removal from power.”—Jimmy (58:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Zelensky’s Suit:

  • “That’s how you know he needs our tax dollars bad, because he’s wearing a suit.”—Phantom Platypus, read by Jimmy (02:10)

• On Western Media’s “Independence”:

  • “Isn’t it amazing how they got everything wrong—Covid, the vaccine, the virus’s origin, Russiagate, the Syria war. But they’re insurgents.”—Jimmy (13:45, 18:38)

• On Ukraine’s Conscription Crisis:

  • “They’re forcing 60-year-olds to join the military.”—Kurt (12:23)

• On Ongoing mRNA Policy:

  • “It certainly is one way to frame it… There’s no difference, they’re self-replicating. Now they’re telling you that’s the future, even though it’s the same thing that hurt a lot of people during COVID-19.”—Ryan (43:19)

• On Israeli Anti-War Protests:

  • “Netanyahu losing the Jews was not on my bingo card this decade, I’ll tell you that.”—Jimmy (55:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:22 – 10:59: Zelensky's White House visuals, peace rhetoric, sanctions fatigue, and U.S. relationships.
• 06:51 – 12:31: U.S./Europe backchannel maneuvering, Ukraine’s ultimate fate, and shifting age limits for soldiers.
• 12:45 – 25:59: MSNBC’s rebrand lampooned, “insurgent” media mocked, YouTube/algorithm manipulation.
• 27:53 – 44:52: RFK Jr. universal vaccine controversy, mRNA contract “head fake,” self-amplifying RNA vaccine explanation.
• 48:51 – 56:00: Mass Israeli protests against Gaza war, Netanyahu’s waning support, political ramifications for hostage negotiations.

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Final Takeaways

• Zelensky’s wardrobe change was emblematic of his precarious political and diplomatic position—the panel sees it as a sign of desperation, not strength.
• The Ukraine war, according to Dore, is effectively over and Western/European leaders are more interested in playing geopolitical games than real peace.
• Corporate media’s rebranding efforts are dismissed as hollow, and their claim to independence called a farce.
• RFK Jr.’s policy and the vaccine narrative remain under heavy scrutiny—the core claim is that the administration’s ostensibly anti-mRNA pivot is little more than a PR move.
• Massive Israeli protests show rapidly shifting domestic opinion against the Gaza war and Netanyahu’s administration, a move that Jimmy frames as both historic and underreported in the U.S.
• Throughout, the episode maintains Dore’s trademark style—biting satire, skepticism toward establishment narratives, and dark comic asides.

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For listeners seeking uncensored, critical takes on mainstream narratives regarding foreign policy, public health, and media spin, this episode is a quintessential Jimmy Dore Show experience.

Transcript

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[Jimmy Dore]

Come see us on tour in Rutherford, New Jersey, New York, New York, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Appleton, Wisconsin, Rosemont, Chicago, Louisville, Kentucky and Fort Wayne, Indiana. Go to Jimmy Dore.com for a link for tickets. Establishment media sucks. Watch and see as his Jack golf comedy who speeds and jumps the medium and hits them head on. It's the Chimmy door show. So Zelensky made another visit to the White House today. Currently. So Trump was over the weekend meeting with Putin in Alaska trying to end the Ukraine war. And then here comes Zelensky and watch, watch Zelensky because he's not wearing his usual stupid T shirt and Trump notices. Watch this. You see Trump, he goes, oh, look, you're wearing a suit. I love it. Did you hear him? Watch this. Watch here we look it. I love it. You don't look like a bum anymore.

[Kurt]

It is an all black suit on black, on black, on black. That's kind of odd.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, nice suit. But I think he should have worn his dancing girl dress. That's what I would have liked.

[Kurt]

Why don't you ask nicely with a pretty dress?

[Jimmy Dore]

Trump is so proud of him. He started out looking like some kind of military recruit and a T shirt, still in training. And now Zelensky looks like he's left the military and is going to go on to be a hired assassin. And that's all very impressive considering he's never been in the military.

[Kurt]

We wears a helmet a lot. I've seen that.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there's more to this little video. So look at, look at Zelensky putting on a suit jacket, a hard shoe. These looks tiny standing next to Trump, that's for sure. And right underneath my favorite tweet, underneath this was Phantom Platypus says. That's how you know he needs our tax dollars bad, because he's wearing a suit. So here's what he tweeted out right before. So he went back to his European friends and he said, I am grateful to all participants of the Coalition of the Willing for today's conversation in Brussels on the eve of the meeting in Washington D.C. with President Trump. It was very useful. We continue coordinating our joint positions. There is clear support for Ukraine's independence and sovereignty. Everyone agrees that borders must not be changed by force. Everyone supports that. Key issues must be resolved with Ukraine's participation in a trilateral format. Ukraine, the US And Russia chief, this is a historic decision that the United States is ready to take part in security guarantees for Ukraine. Security guarantees as a result of our joint work must really be very practical, delivering protection on land, in the air and at sea. And must be developed with Europe's participation. Of course. We also discussed how to stop the killings as soon as possible. We are working out a common vision of what a peace agreement should be. Really fair, swift and effective. Thank you.

[Kurt]

So he's really turned it around, huh?

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, he's really so here. So then he goes, he goes, I've already arrived at Washington. Tomorrow. I am meeting with President Trump tomorrow. We are going. We are also speaking with European leaders. I am grateful to the President of the United States for the invitation. We all share a strong desire to end this war quickly and reliably. And peace must be lasting. Not like it was years ago when Ukraine was forced to give up Crimea and part with our east part of Donbass, as Putin simply used it as a springboard for a new attack, or when Ukraine was given so called security guarantees in 1994. But. But they didn't work. Of course, Crimea should not have been given up then, just as Ukrainians did not give up Kiev, Odessa or Kharkiv after 2022. Ukrainians are fighting for their land and for their independence now. Our soldiers have successes in Donbass and Sumi regions. I am confident that we will defend Ukraine, effectively guarantee security, and that our people will always be grateful to President Trump, everyone in America and every partner and ally for their support and invaluable assistance. Russia must end this war which itself started. And I hope that our joint strength with America, with our European friends, will force Russia into a real peace. So he's just nuts. So that sounds like he's, he's. Those are like Coke tweets. That sounds like someone's on Coke and they don't want to stop to make a new paragraph or a new. And it's. So that's what it seems like. And he definitely puts the blow back in the blow by blow action, I'll tell you that. So at the bottom he says, I'm grateful for the 18th sanctions package. We need to prepare the 19th sanction package so Russia sees that we are serious. Oh, so the first 18 didn't work, but let's do another one. I bet you that one will scare Russia into ending, ending the war.

[Kurt]

I'd rather listen to BB talk. He has nice cartoon drawings. It's real easy to understand.

[Jimmy Dore]

I'm sure he's. He does a couple of lines while kind of masturbating, looks in his Coke mirror, telling himself that at this time it's going to be different for him because he's special and the world goes away for a few pathetic moments. That's. Wow.

[Kurt]

God, what a. So I can't believe he's still around.

[Jimmy Dore]

I can't believe he's still around either. But I believe he's not going to be around long. Here's Lord Bebo tweeted out something interesting. I want to read to people, he said. So this is what happened. Trump scolded Zelensky and wanted to force him into a peace a while ago. You remember that their last meeting at the White House.

[Kurt]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Dore]

Zelensky ran to Europe, so Macron and Starmer pushed back, also getting help from the. From the neocons in the usa. Trump then, understanding the situation, gave the Europeans their war, what they wanted, and used it as leverage for trade negotiations. But USA secretly held talks with Russia during that time and the Europeans were entertained by Kellogg, which is Trump's envoy to Ukraine, and Lindsey Graham. When the peace talks went to a final stage, the Alaska summit happened. This shocked the Europeans. They had no idea and it happened too quickly and far for them to interfere now. Zelensky and Europe noticed that a deal is actually close and the war might stop. Europe and Zelensky are now freaking out. They are now thinking how to push back on Trump. Zelensky ran again to assemble the European warmonger crew and they wanted to travel to Washington together. Trump said no, only Zelensky in this meeting. Watch out, sue to watch out for European attempts to disrupt these talks. So it's weird that the President has to sneak around like he's trying to start a war just to end a war. Isn't that weird?

[Kurt]

That is complicated.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, look, just keep this in mind. We supplied him with weapons. Who's that? That's Gaddafi. Then we killed him. We supplied him with weapons and then we killed him. Osama bin Laden. There's our. Our good friend. We supplied him with weapons and we killed him. That's. Why am I blinking on the Iraq.

[Kurt]

Saddam Hussein resident in the history of Iraq.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. And now there's Zelensky. To be continued.

[Kurt]

I thought. I thought way back when I was like, oh, they're going to, you know, assassinate him because he's getting a bit. And then it just kept going on and on. And now I don't even have faith that they're going to kill him.

[Jimmy Dore]

I mean, come on. I don't wish death on Zelensky, even though Ukraine put me on a kill list. And it would be funny if Zelensky went before I did.

[Kurt]

Hoisted by your own petard.

[Jimmy Dore]

So he, he first goes to Europe, as that first tweet showed. And they make all these stupid pronouncements like we can't give up any land. It's called, it's over, you're giving up land. So they make those pronouncements I think because they don't want the war to end. I think that's why.

[Kurt]

Yeah, obviously Zelensky, we could just weaken Russia forever. The 19th, the 19th sanctions package and we'll slowly just kill them all and just throw 60 year old men at the problem until Russia is breaks up and they over. They really want Putin out of there. It's, it's not even about Russia now as much as like Putin can't be. Right.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Kurt]

So. And they have a hard on for him for a long time and they know if they get another or they feel like this, they just get another guy in there. They could manipulate Russia however they want, but Putin is the guy in the way of that.

[Jimmy Dore]

So we'll see how these talks end up. It looks like Europe, it looks like Europe doesn't want them. Doesn't look like Zelensky wants a peace deal because he's making ridiculous demands. He wants another sanctions package. A 19th sanctions package, like that's going to do anything. But the big news, I think, is that Zelensky finally wore a suit because he realizes he's in trouble. The last time it didn't go well at the White House for him. It didn't go well afterwards. The war is lost. They've lost the war. So this idea that they can not lose the war is crazy. It's over.

[Kurt]

Waiting for Ms. Now to cover this.

[Jimmy Dore]

We can't wait for Ms. Now to cover it. And, and just like we said when this war broke out in 2023. Is that when it broke out? No, it had. Was it 2022? Yeah. When the war broke out in February of 2022, we said right then that this war is going to end the way Putin wants it to end, that you guys are idiots for allowing this war to happen. They provoked this war. They poked the bear. They've been ramping up for this war since 2014. Really, when they overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine because The. The president wanted to be friendly with Russia and not the European Union. And so then the CIA moved in and we overthrew him. And then they get a puppet installed, and then they start bombing the Donbass and ramping it up. And so anyway, this was always a mistake on Zelensky's part, but now I think Zelensky's in like one of those Benjamin Netanyahu pickles where if the war is over, it's over for him, too. Yeah, he's already suspended elections. He wouldn't get elected, reelected again. And I wonder if, tell me he.

[Kurt]

Wasn'T popular in the 60 to 80 demographic, allowing them to fight how they want.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, yeah, the age of the Ukrainian soldier is precipitously raised. I think it's up to like 60 years old now, right, Kurt?

[Kurt]

They're finally allowing 60 year olds to join, which means they are forcing 60 year olds to join the military.

[Jimmy Dore]

So there it is. That. So I think what you. What you need to know about this story is Zelensky so desperate, he wore a suit. That's how desperate he is. He wore a suit.

[Kurt]

A black Johnny Cash going to a funeral suit.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, they were independent, which is why they all got Covid wrong. The vaccine wrong. Lockdowns, mass, the virus origination. The same thing with Russiagate. They got. They all got that wrong correctly. I mean, in concert. They all got Ukraine war wrong, the Syrian war wrong. Now we have an Al Qaeda guy running Syria. Isn't it amazing how they got everything wrong that Joe Biden's not demented wrong for four straight years? But they're independent. They're insurgents. MSNBC is changing its name to Ms. Now. It's short for My Source for News, Opinion and the World.

[Kurt]

Great.

[Jimmy Dore]

My source Ms. Now. Yeah, that's what it looks like. Ms. It used to. Ms. Used to stand for Microsoft. Does anybody remember that? But now it just stands.

[Kurt]

Penis.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, but that did not refer to Bill Gates penis. Kurt, that's a rumor.

[Kurt]

Is that the community note?

[Jimmy Dore]

I don't want to get community noted on this. MSNBC will have a new name as it seeks to carve out an identity that will have it competing for scoops and news with current corporate siblings. Ms. NBC News. Following the spinoff of the bulk of NBC Universal's cable assets into a new publicly traded company called Versant.

[Kurt]

Oh, I hope someone is really.

[Jimmy Dore]

What is the. What is the word? Can you look up that word? What is versa. I know that NPR used to let Verdant. They would use the Archer Daniel Midland for A verdant something. I don't know what verdant means. I don't know what versant means.

[Kurt]

I guess I have no idea. I'm going off context, but like a.

[Jimmy Dore]

Verdant forest, it sounds more like a channel for people. Like a region of land sloping in one general direction. That's a ver.

[Kurt]

Oh, I thought I meant a whale's vagina.

[Jimmy Dore]

Me too. So I don't. It could also be archaic. I don't. That's not that good for news. I don't think they really thought it out because it sounds like a channel for people dealing with Ms. Yeah, it does.

[Kurt]

Ms. Now Montel Williams all day.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's what it's. There it is. That's their it. First of all, it looks pretty Republican, right? With the. And then it's Ms. Now and here. Anyway. How about MSNPC? How about we do that one? How about Ms. 1996? Was that already taken? How about. How about. I got it. You can be Ms. 14 and street. Fight it out with Ms. 13.

[Kurt]

They should do that anyway.

[Jimmy Dore]

They call it the worst side story. Am I right? Come on. Okay, so here's Joe. Joe Scarborough got the word this morning. He talked about it.

[Joe Scarborough]

We have breaking news as it pertains to our network this morning. A new name for the network.

[Jimmy Dore]

First of all, I guess the guy who does the microphones was off this morning. It sounds like his voice is being picked up by a microphone sitting in a hallway. Isn't it kind of amazing, isn't it, Jimmy?

[Kurt]

And if you can't handle it, have.

[Joe Scarborough]

You work by the end of the year. We will become Ms. Now, which stands for my source.

[Jimmy Dore]

Okay, so now you could see his microphone has come back in. Just like. Just like my microphone will be working very well in Rutherford, New Jersey, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Chicago, Appleton, Wisconsin, Rosemont, Louisville, Fort Wayne. Go to Jimmy Dore.com for a link for tickets. Here we go.

[Joe Scarborough]

News, opinion and the world. And look, Andrew, they even have a graphic up. I like it.

[NBC Universal Executive]

There it is actually the new logo.

[Joe Scarborough]

It looks very sporty. As we go to Versant, we're going to. We're going to be moving in this direction, Mississippi now, which I got to say, you know, I got a call yesterday afternoon and they're saying, we hope you're okay. Where are you going? I was like, what do you mean? Like, this is the shows. We're independent. And what I've said on this show time and time again is you look at the people that are running the company. They're Entrepreneurial. Like when you have somebody come into your company after working for, like, big corporations, and you're talking, you're saying. And they go, we want you to be entrepreneurial. We want you to come up with new ideas. We want you to push the boundaries. I'm excited about that. So I'm excited about this, too. It's like, you know, what's in a name? Well, whatever you put into the name.

[NBC Universal Executive]

Well, look, my understanding is this decision was a choice by NBC Universal.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[NBC Universal Executive]

Remember, originally, they were going to leave the Peacock with the different units. They decided that they wanted that to stay with NBCUniversal. Having said that, despite my sentimentality about the Peacock, I've always loved the Peacock. The truth is, I've always thought about this network and CNBC and USA and actually all of those assets as insurgent networks.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right.

[NBC Universal Executive]

This is an insurgent network. And I love the idea, to be honest with you. You can take out your salt shaker or whatever you want to do and.

[Jimmy Dore]

Say, kurt, did you. Did you know it's an insurgents, really? What does that even mean? What's the definition of insurgents? Because it's certainly not cnbc. I'll tell you that.

[Kurt]

Some sort of rebels were from within the.

[Jimmy Dore]

That's what it sounds like. We've. I've always said we were insurgents, so.

[Kurt]

This is changing the label.

[Jimmy Dore]

I always wanted to get away from NBC. I always wanted. I believe so. You act like you can't fire me. I quit you. I always wanted that. Oh, they're a rebel or revolutionary. They're rebel or revolutionary? Insurgent.

[Kurt]

They were always independent, Jimmy. You know, they only worked for, like, Raytheon and Pfizer.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah.

[Kurt]

Never for actual.

[Jimmy Dore]

You know, they were independent, which is why they all got Covid wrong. The vaccine wrong. Lockdowns, mass, the virus origination. The same thing with Russiagate. They got. They all got that wrong. Correctly. I mean, in concert. They all got Ukraine war wrong, the Syrian war wrong. Now we have an Al Qaeda guy running Syria. Isn't it amazing how they got everything wrong that Joe Biden's not demented wrong for four straight years? But they're independent, they're insurgents.

[Kurt]

They're not as successful as the other insurgents and other conflicts we've had.

[Jimmy Dore]

He goes on, take it with a grain of salt. Can you imagine the mentality it takes to get your news from these places? I can't. Just imagine the friends in New York.

[Kurt]

That are from New York, the city, their parents. That's what they like.

[Jimmy Dore]

It is when it's not when it's not full on propaganda, it is just full on bullshit. Full on. Like he's doing right now. We're. We're insurgents. We're rebels. Says the guy with the pocket square at seven in the morning. Okay, here we go.

[NBC Universal Executive]

I like this because I think it actually does have the sort of independence.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, no, I like this as good as I wanted this. Yeah, I wanted this to happen. No, this is good. We're insurgents. Yeah. Okay.

[NBC Universal Executive]

And actually gets away in some ways from even the idea of legacy media.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Right.

[NBC Universal Executive]

I mean, I think what you're seeing Ms. Do and what you're seeing some of these other networks do now is not just linear, but I, by the way, I'm watching you on TikTok now. Do you know that? You know, I'm seeing you on TikTok.

[Joe Scarborough]

So this is a thing. And of course, because I'm here with the kids.

[NBC Universal Executive]

I know.

[Joe Scarborough]

I actually didn't know this, but you know this network is the most watched News Network on TikTok and on YouTube.

[NBC Universal Executive]

Yes, it is.

[Jimmy Dore]

So.

[Joe Scarborough]

So we are moving, we're, we're moving in direction beyond.

[Jimmy Dore]

And that has nothing to do with the algorithm favoring corporate news. And also it has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to do with that we get suppressed as independent, actual independent producers. And that they switched the algorithm in 2017 after Adpocalypse to. To appease their advertisers on YouTube. So they even brag about how much they suppress shows in independent news space. And then nobody ever, ever went to YouTube would ever watch a corporate news news clip, ever.

[Kurt]

I have to hunt in the search to avoid when I want to see a topic and it floods me with msnbc. They're the most watched network news. And so that little qualifier, who the hell watches network news? Besides a dwindling supply of old people that still believe in network news? Very few. So I don't think the numbers are even good by YouTube standards. I don't believe their numbers are good.

[Joe Scarborough]

Brit media again. I think this fits. It's a new marketplace. And you look at legacy media, you look at the old media companies. I could list a lot of names. John Lemire, that meant a lot five years ago, 10 years ago. That mean nothing. Absolutely. Now it's what have you done for me lately? And are you looking to the future? Are you trying to hold onto the past? And this is a question, are we going to be like Eastman kodak throughout the 1980s and 90s or are we going to be like Nvidia and look at a brave new world. And I think this actually helps us do that.

[Ryan Christiansen]

The media landscape has been changing a lot over the last decade or so, but it's been really accelerating the last.

[Jimmy Dore]

Few years in this particular moment.

[Ryan Christiansen]

So it does seem an ideal time to rebrand. An ideal time to embrace a new.

[Jimmy Dore]

Identity, as you said, to be an insurgent network.

[NBC Universal Executive]

By the way, it's also a line in the sand, just about the future. And the truth is that this network, originally, the Ms. Was Microsoft.

[Joe Scarborough]

Microsoft.

[NBC Universal Executive]

So for a very long time, there has been a rebrand, I would argue, almost in order.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. What do you think?

[Ryan Christiansen]

I think it's good.

[Jimmy Dore]

Smile. Oh, they got that dingbat on look.

[Ryan Christiansen]

I think that I didn't know the Ms. Was.

[Jimmy Dore]

You know, it's just a table full of people who have gotten every major story wrong in the last 10 years. That is a table full of people who have gotten every major story completely wrong.

[Kurt]

Also, Jimmy, they also got wrong. It's the most watched News Network on YouTube, just putting in news into the YouTube search. So Western alliance seriously alarmed by Trump talking with Alex Zelensky. 155K views seven hours ago. Fox News, 1.9 million views streamed three hours ago. There's no way they are the number one. So even that story was wrong. Also, I like how Erica Molly Jones. Yeah, dumb name is. Looks like the bad guy from the movie Weapons, which is a great movie, by the way.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. She's another person born into privilege. Her. I mean, you wouldn't know about her if her mom wasn't famous. Yeah, Crazy.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Yeah.

[Joe Scarborough]

That deal didn't get well for Microsoft.

[Ryan Christiansen]

But anyway, but I think that's right. And look, we know for a fact that people get their news, a lot of it from YouTube and TikTok.

[Jimmy Dore]

So if your biggest news, you know, if you're the biggest news network out.

[Ryan Christiansen]

There, that's a big deal.

[Joe Scarborough]

Yeah. The goal is, again, again, be entrepreneurial and be independent, we call it.

[NBC Universal Executive]

We've always say Ms.

[Jimmy Dore]

Anyway. Yeah.

[NBC Universal Executive]

And then the truth is, now is what this is all about, right?

[Joe Scarborough]

Exactly.

[Jimmy Dore]

Did he just say entrepreneurial? Yes. Like, why? How are they entrepreneurial? You guys are not. You guys are a corporate news show that got spun off from a conglomerate. Yeah. Can you play that last half again, just of him talking? No, I can't.

[Kurt]

No one can take it. I'll translate. Joe Biden's out of office. The entire network was designed specifically for Joe Biden to watch, to babysit him while they use the auto pen. And now, now that Trump's in. There's no need. We're not babysitting Joe Biden, so we're going to have to find other, other things to do.

[Jimmy Dore]

Here's my, my new little favorite thing here. BS now, my source news.

[Kurt]

How's that a change?

[Jimmy Dore]

So there you go.

[Joe Scarborough]

Nice.

[Jimmy Dore]

There you go. They're rebranding over at MSNBC now. They're just going to be. What? What is it? It's going to be called Ms. Now.

[Kurt]

It's not a good name.

[Jimmy Dore]

Ms. Now not a good name. It does, it does sound like a, a TV station devoted to people with Ms.

[Kurt]

It's a multiple sclerosis based.

[Jimmy Dore]

I would, I would, I would agree that, that Ms. Now is a tumor on the news scene. I will, I will.

[Kurt]

They have to compete with my new network. Jimmy AIDS today. Let's see him combat. Let's see him. American Independent. I have to figure it out.

[Jimmy Dore]

But Democratic Service. American Independent. Democratic service. Aids. What, what's the problem?

[Kurt]

I'm excited. I'm excited about it.

[Ryan Christiansen]

I'm really.

[Jimmy Dore]

I think it's this, the way we always call it aids, didn't we? We always used to call it aids.

[Kurt]

I think it looks really cool. You know, I hate that stupid rainbow peacock. But the new one looks terrible.

[Jimmy Dore]

The new one does look terrible.

[Kurt]

It looks dystopic. More so, yeah. MSNBC rainbow Pete. That's why I like a nice rainbow in the NBC peacock and nowhere else.

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Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips.

[Jimmy Dore]

But I did switch to T Mobile.

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[Kurt]

That's not the itinerary we're following.

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[RFK Jr. (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)]

We're developing a universal vaccine at nih, which is a vaccine that addresses the entire phylum of viruses. And so it's a vaccine that mimics natural immunity.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Now they deleted that tweet with that video. Okay. We have a special guest with us. Ryan Christiansen is an independent journalist known for his commitment to transparency and truth. Isn't that nice? He's a winner of the Serena Shim award for uncompromising integrity in journalism. Nice. I'm also a recipient of that award. He contributes political and social commentary to the Last American Vagabond. What do you mean you contribute? I thought you were the last American Vagabond. Where he provides an alternative voice to the compromise and the co opted corporate media. Welcome back to the show, Ryan. Christian.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Thanks, brother.

[Jimmy Dore]

Good to see you again. So you are the last American Vagabond, right?

[Ryan Christiansen]

Yeah, I'm founder and editor of the platform. That's. That's me. I mean really, it's the name of the platform, but it's, you know, it's meant to be sort of like we are all the last American Vagabond kind of idea, you know. But yes, that's mine.

[Jimmy Dore]

Now you did an interesting segment on this that I'm going to. I wanted to talk to you about. Maha Action tweeted out. RFK Jr says we're developing a universal vaccine at NIH, which is a vaccine that addresses the entire phylum of viruses, whatever. Whoever knew that word, phylum. It's a vaccine that mimics natural immune. So the problem is they deleted this tweet, right? Because here. You want to hear him say it, Harry?

[RFK Jr. (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)]

We're developing a universal vaccine at nih, which is a vaccine that addresses the entire phylum of viruses. And so it's a. It's a vaccine that mimics natural immunity. And it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, but wait, wait a minute, hang on.

[RFK Jr. (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)]

And it is effective against any kind of mutation, so it doesn't drive the virus to mutate and it could be effective we believe it's going to be effective against not only coronaviruses, but also flu, really. And it's going to be a much more, much safer, really and much more effective vaccine.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. Now they deleted that tweet with that video. And Grok was asked, why did Secretary Kennedy delete his tweet about developing a universal vaccine? And it says, yeah, it appears he did delete his Twitter post about developing universal vaccine. My search of his timeline shows no such content, despite videos and reports from his Aug. 8 Alaska event discussing an NIH led natural immunity mimicking vaccine for Covid and flu. So I just want. So you're on this story. Here's hhs. NIH launched next generation universal vaccine platform for pandemic prone viruses. So what the hell is going on with this? First of all, what is this universal vaccine and why did they delete it, you think?

[Ryan Christiansen]

Well, the platform is continuing. You can look it up on hhs. I'm not exactly sure why he chose to delete the tweet. I think it's because he got a, you know, there was more than one, by the way. One was on the Maha then one was something that RK himself posted. And the point is that he got a lot of pushback from, from largely people in the Maha movement. But what's important is to look at these. There's two separate stories here. One of them is the trend, the shift into the universal platform direction under the guise of we're ending mRNA, which is not happening. And I want to talk about that too. This is simply staying with the universal platform. I'm very skeptical about this in general. I'm not an expert in this topic. But you know, you and I both have been diving into this research since this entire thing has started and we both interviewed plenty of doctors and, but many I speak to are very adamant about this not being the right direction. The wholesale, you know, vaccine direction, which is, which is like the old style was the one that was rife with all the issues about, you know, the state, the concerns and the statements of people being sick after taking them. They deny that. But you know, there's a lot of denial around a lot of these things and there's a lot of issues that came from that. Now maybe they're going to do it better. I, my gut tells me that this is actually sort of the part of the head fake. I do think this is probably going to happen. I doubt that it'll end up being, I mean, think about how unlikely it is that you're going to make something that you, you make one shot that essentially can apply kind of universally to everything kind of forever that they update. I mean, I don't know how that ends up not being some sort of overlapping MRNA technology. It doesn't appear to be. But my thought is that this is sort of a deviation from where I actually think the direction is going. And now this starts with the $500 million contract discussion where RFK Jr said we're ending all these contracts. Now on that point alone, my research shows us today only a few of those you can even prove have actually been canceled. And they were ones that were already being canceled before he made that announcement. There's no like main list of all those 22 contracts. I'm skeptical even those are being canceled. But just for the conversation, let's assume those are all being canceled. My important point is that HHS released a document that everybody basically selectively quoted. What it said was very clearly that they weren't, they were ending these contracts and then winding down the direction for MRNA shots, but made clear that Arcturus and Amplitude Therapeutics would be allowed to continue the projects they already were claiming there wouldn't be new ones. But if you look, the ones that they're both working on are all self amplifying shots, bird flu, COVID 19 and all MRNA. So those are continuing. That's clear. Secondarily on the post it says right underneath this paragraph everyone quoted, we will also still be continuing all other forms of mRNA, food related, everything else. So my thought was like, okay, this feels very sort of like Brandon gain a function. But you read it and it was like they're totally not any end to gain a function. They're in fact just focusing on the versions that they think they're going to be the world leaders in. That's exactly what it said. We're paraphrasing. So I think this is what it's really about. The self amplifying shift into this direction. But you can, you know, you broaden out this picture. You can continue to see a lot of this over focus on specifically that. And on top of that I found new contracts even today for things that are called tran. Let me make sure I get the actual, the actual phrase right. It's called a, a trans. Here it is trans amplified mRNA, which basically is a self amplifying but with two different versions of the things amplifying. I mean this is the direction it's going. All of these are in the works. There's multiple studies in this direction.

[Jimmy Dore]

So. So you're saying it was A real miss. So I reported on that story. The RFK killed the contracts for the funding for the $500 million for the MRNA vaccine platform that he killed it.

[Ryan Christiansen]

And not Stargate, though Stargate, as far as I can tell, was still functioning. What is about AI directed MRNA drugs? And I think they're trying to make a very fine line about what the difference is by saying that self amplifying is not the same thing or that somehow the AI directed versions are not the same thing because it's not the same Covid shot. I will have to wait and see how it pans out. But we've seen a lot from the US government, but this administration in particular doing just that kind of thing, like a head fake, you know. But the platform itself is one thing. And then the cancellations, you know, these are different stories, but I think it's all part of the same objective. And again, I don't think all those 22 contracts have been canceled and clearly there's plenty of them that are continuing. And on top of that, the $500 million that they canceled for that direction, that was 500 million that was already earmarked for specifically COVID 19 shots. And they're just pivoting it into the same shots. It's the, it's the same direction but self amplifying and you can prove that they're continuing. Now, the Stargate point is very important I think, because that goes into a whole new realm of what we're talking about. The AI direct that actually was one SEPI is working on and that's as far as I can tell, still still supported by the Trump administration. There hasn't been funding this year, but I get the sense that it's going to continue in the same way. And that's kind of the way they work this. It's sort of a like, like the last Trump administration feigning to stop funding Gavi, or rather Bill Gates, but then. Or the who, excuse me, but then ultimately funded Gavi, which is the chief funder of the who. So it was sort of like a shifting of money. And I think that's how this tends to operate on both sides of the paradigm.

[Jimmy Dore]

So what is the universal vax have to do with this?

[Ryan Christiansen]

Well, that's again, that's something that they're claiming they're going forward on and it came out at the same kind of timeframe. And so I think it is a project that's going to go forward. And I'm sure that, you know, you can make money off these things like Anything else. And I'm also skeptical of just anything in this category, like everyone seems to be today. I, my gut tells me that it's really sort of a, you know, we're giving you an old version that will appease some of the people that are only focused on mRNA. A lot of the Maha people really were unhappy with any of these things. But I think from my research and the money, they're leaning heavily into self amplifying shots and the, and everything beyond that. All the future tech, kind of, you know, vaccination, great reset overlap kind of things that, you know, even, even overlapping with like nanotechnology. Like I've talked about the ferretin nano, the ferretin nanoparticle shots that they're currently working on. The Guardian did a report about this And I think 2016 called it the magneto shot. The Rockefeller Institute did a study that proved the. Using these, you could literally control the movements of mice. Now it's a whole different topic. But these things are being studied. That's the reality. And that they're already working on certain versions of this. I thought so I think that's the.

[Jimmy Dore]

Direction I thought MRNA vaccines were self ampl amplifying. What is the difference between an MRNA and a self amplifying vaccine?

[Ryan Christiansen]

It's a good question. Now, when I first was researching the Pfizer shots in the beginning, all of them really, I think it was B BN2. I always forget the, you know, the two main shots, BNT2, B21 or something like that. They were the two main ones they had. The one that they ultimately leaned into the most on the original Pfizer documentation that I still have, you can see that it was originally listed as self amplifying. And let's not forget. Let me explain it first then, since that's what you asked. One is what we're, what we're told the COVID shots are. It produces a spike protein and it stops. We all know that's not true. It continues to produce spike protein as almost even the largest body of evidence from scientific research now shows that. And even the experts admitted this, right? Dr. Luigi Warren, for example. So my point is that they claimed it was one, which is. That's supposed to be the MRNA shot. The self amplifying shot produces more of them. That's what these are, whether by accident or by design. And so really that's what we're already seeing. And so this is really, if you, if you take it at face value, just the continuation of what they were doing. And we lied we were lied to then and we're being lied to now. And so I think that's kind of the real obvious shift because, you know, it gets into the conspiratorial side of it. But, you know, I think your audience is well, understanding about a lot of the stuff that happened during COVID 19. And I wonder what that's really about. You know, what's the point of lying to us about that then and now and you know, while planning us with something else. In my opinion, that's meant to kind of deviate from what's happening.

[Jimmy Dore]

So let me see this. So, new study. Oh, no, that's different. Oh, that's another story.

[Ryan Christiansen]

No, that, that's a good, that's, that's relevant. That's, you know, that. That's Dr. Peter Mercola and his foundation. Well, that's from him talking about the specific. Now this is one of the ones that is working. Right? There's our. The Arcturus and others.

[Joe Scarborough]

The, that.

[Jimmy Dore]

What is this study?

[Ryan Christiansen]

I think it was in Uganda. 93% of the people that took the self amplifying shots had blood irregularities and all sorts of different problems. So it's about a study about self amplifying, which is what they're leaning into. So that's why that's relevant.

[Jimmy Dore]

So you keep mentioning Artaurus and another name. What are those two names you're mentioning?

[Ryan Christiansen]

Arcturus is a company and I could be mispronouncing it, but that's how it looks like it's spelled to me. And then Amplitude Therapeutics. Those are the two that in the HHS release they explicitly named as being ones that they would continue under. The guys that are the claim that the money was already invested, therefore we didn't want to waste taxpayer dollars. But they've already done that, for example, with the Moderna shot that was funded in Biden's administration and canceled it recently. So the logic doesn't line up for me. I think it's about the fact that that's what they're leaning into, as all of the evidence suggests. But those are the two companies that they seem to be kind of showing you and I can prove to you both of them are working on mRNA, Covid and flu shots and both of them self amplifying.

[Jimmy Dore]

So he. So Peter McCullough, by the way, who's, you know, one of the most cited doctors in the world. New study. COVID 19 Replicon SAM. What's. What's SAM RNA.

[Ryan Christiansen]

So there's two ways to write it. Both self amplifying amplifying MRNA or SA RNA. They're both the same thing.

[Jimmy Dore]

Oh, so self amplifying MRNA injections in induce severe blood abnormalities in 93% of trial participants. And so this is what they're leaning into right now at the HHS under rfk.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Yeah, well my opinion is that that's the direction they're like aggressively leaning into. But the, the evidence, the facts are that those are the ones that they are continuing. So the, it's clear that all the ones that you can see that they're, when they're claiming they're shifting away from MRNA in general, the only ones they're going forward with MRNA and self amplifying MRNA are all Arcturus amplitude and self amplifying. And then my point is all you can look up and find a whole bunch of other research happening that's both funded by them or supported by groups they support that are all working in this. Like Mary Talley Bowden, for example, just put out a post a while back that showed like 36 different self amplifying shots that were all in the works. You know, and so these things are going to be popping up and I think the problem is right now, which kind of seems to be the thing that's happening this, you know, this time in politics that they make the statement and a lot of people cheer it and then we put it away and it's hasn't stopped. You know, you've talked about stuff like.

[Jimmy Dore]

This during COVID and so. Well, just let me just show this. Self amplifying rna. In an ever growing arms race of genetic engineering, a new and deeply concerning player has emerged. Self amplifying RNA Sarna. Unlike conventional MRNA shots which carry the pretense of controlled dosing, self amplifying RNA introduces a self replicating genetic mechanism into human cells. A mechanism that has no inherent safeguards, no patient specific oversight and no clear understanding of the long term ramifications. Now I'm pretty sure, and again, just from covering this, that the problem with the MRNA vaccines was one of the problems was at first they said no, it just stayed in your arm. And then we found out, no, it went through your whole body and then we found out that it keeps replicating inside your body. So what's the difference between that and self amplifying? It seems like they're just, they just made up a new term for the same thing. Is this, is that what it sounds like to you, Brian?

[Ryan Christiansen]

No, but see the difference is if so the original shots that we were given under during the COVID 19 timeframe. Yes, those were self amplifying shots. I think you can clearly prove that. So the point is that what they were claiming, if that even exists, is that you could take an MRNA shot that only produces one spike to routine and one antigen. And ultimately that is, you know, what you deal with. And it stops not there, everywhere you look. That's not true. Right. So I think this was originally the direction and either they lied or they did made.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah, they.

[Ryan Christiansen]

I don't know. But so that's.

[Jimmy Dore]

So this. So I mean, again, it sounds like it's the same thing as the COVID vaccines, because they could not. I mean, I learned this watching John can Dr. John Campbell, that they, and also I had on Dr. J. Bhattachara say the same thing on this show, who's now the head of the nih. He said that the problem with it was that you didn't know the dosing. Right. So because you didn't know how many it was going to replicate once it got into your body. And it seems like that's what they're saying about this. Seems to me it seems like they're just rebranding the same thing.

[Ryan Christiansen]

It certainly is one way to frame it.

[Jimmy Dore]

Right. Okay.

[Ryan Christiansen]

But we know ultimately that there's plenty, you know, the amplifying part of it was clearly, as you mentioned, a major part of the problem. But there's so many other elements to these things that are dangerous. Like the self amplifying part of it's clearly problematic, especially if it's the wrong thing you're being, you know, the wrong antigen, the wrong thing they're aiming at, which we don't talk about, but so too is the MRNA platform itself. Right. There's been studies, peer reviewed and otherwise, that have clearly identified the platform and the way that it's put together that in one case is directly correlated with myocarditis. You know, so it's like all the moving parts, but the way you frame that is the best way to look at it. The only reason I'm trying to be objective is that I don't know whether there was their intent to try to mislead you or they just made a mistake. But what you said is the best way to look at it. It's in material. There's no difference they're self replicating or rather producing more and more and more of it. And now they're telling you that's the future, even though it's the same thing that hurt a lot of people during COVID 19.

[Jimmy Dore]

So it looks like it looks like it was a bit of a, a deception or as you put it, a head fake that RFK Jr did when they announced that we're canceling the $500 million for research into MRNA vaccines, when they're just actually shifting it. Right, right, right.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Into what money?

[Jimmy Dore]

If that's into what they're called self amplifying rna.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Right. Specifically, the money part first is that. That's what frustrates me is people act like we're saving money. All they did was move that money right back into other versions of it.

[Jimmy Dore]

But just like Doge, just like those. I'm sorry, just like Doge, they didn't really cut that money exactly like those.

[Ryan Christiansen]

Yeah, but, you know, I don't know if rfk, you know, he's such an anomaly to me right now because as I think you've talked about his past work, which I still support, I still think is valuable, it just doesn't make sense. But. So I don't know whether he's being corralled, blackmail, manipulated. Either way, you know his statement about ending those. Again, my earlier statement, I still don't even. I can't see evidence that those 22 have even ended on top of everything else. But I've heard statements from people that I can't verify. They claim that insiders have stated that, you know, he was told to not go. He won't be able to touch MRNA if you're in his shoes. I just don't know why you would keep going along with it. Like, you know, you know, they're using your name to make people feel better about this. But maybe he isn't born, I don't know. But I think the facts are all we can engage with.

[Jimmy Dore]

Now tell is, is, is Bill Gates involved in this?

[Ryan Christiansen]

Yes, that's. That's another very important point. I'm glad you asked that because the, like Arturis and others, Bill Gates is directly involved with at least two of the shots we're pointing to, but through funding. Well, let's put, let me be as clear, as accurate as possible. The Bill and Linda Gates foundation is involved with funding on two of those. Now, you know, that doesn't mean Bill Gates personally did it, but, you know, it's, it's really about how it would be framed. Imagine if this was Biden. What do you think the conservatives would say about that? You know, it's. We need to be equally critical of how these things are going and it's just very obvious that we're being lied to about all of this. Now the other part of it is the food side of it, which, or any other number of MRNA versions that they're still rolling out. I mean Dr. Tenpenny made a point about the self amplifying rabies shot for animals that's suddenly on the market. You know, it's all over the place and I really, you know, it feels like it's coming at you from all angles.

[Jimmy Dore]

So they're switching up the vaccine formulation from the old style vaccine to an MRNA vaccine for rabies or specifically self amplifying.

[Ryan Christiansen]

But again, maybe that's all it really is. But yes, there's, there's many of them by the way. And I mean if you have looked into the animal side of this for vaccines, if you think it's bad with the human side of it, it's horrifying. It's less concern, less due diligence, one size fits all. It's horrible. I mean that's why, you know, I've talked a lot about that with way I think, you know, I think it's a horrible thing. I think your dog should avoid it like the plague. But I think a lot of that's popping up now in a lot of the different directions or she points out the RNA pesticides they're not, they're using which actually they've been, some have been used since 20, 2015 that they just continue to use through both administrations and spray your food with you know, or animals and you know, all the, I mean you've talked about the butter and the, the far, the fakes the lab raised, the lab grown salmon or crispr pig meat or you know, all these different things that are sprinting in the direction I think pretty. The Maha movement was against all of this.

[Jimmy Dore]

So, so what kind of pushback did he get on that Universal Vax tweet.

[Ryan Christiansen]

That, that I only saw comments that, and at least that was some of the conversation. I can't confirm that was really what they thought. But it was just, you know, you see it when you get, you know, they posted it and it's got like 30 times more comments than anything else and everyone, you know, everyone beneath it is like, what are you talking about? That's not what you promised. And you know, and they deleted it. So that's just the way I read.

[Jimmy Dore]

Well, it just seems nuts. It seems, you know, doc, you know, Dr. Marty Makari was supposed to be on our show last Friday and then they canceled at the last minute because they were afraid I was going to ask him a real question. Unlike, unlike CNN or msnbc, which is just going to ask them Pfizer funded questions. They don't want any quote, they don't run a real question. Right. Just like Bernie Sanders doesn't want a real question. So it's funny that everybody from HHS will go on CNBC and MSNBC And CNN and Fox, the same people who smeared RFK Jr. And all those people, and they can't wait. They go on the regular, they go on those news networks, but they won't come on a new show like this. Isn't that kind of amazing? It's sad is what it is. It is.

[Ryan Christiansen]

But the point you made there is really important to think about. Right. So he watched them criticize him and lie about him and that's where he still goes or anybody under his purview. That, that does seem like a, you know, it just, it adds more of the question marks for me, you know, like, I don't know why, but clearly we're being misled all over the place.

[Jimmy Dore]

Yeah. So they're definitely hiding something and they were afraid that I was going to uncover it or I, maybe I already did uncover it and, and I was going to corner him on it. But either way, they ducked that interview. It was set up for weeks. And then at the last minute they're like, hey, yeah, we're going to cancel. We're, we, we saw a headline on one of your things to Trump betrays maga. Yeah. Was that, was that as bad as anything CNN has said about RFK Jr. Or even his cousin? Guess what? Hundreds of thousands of people, Jews in Israel have turned on Benjamin Netanyahu. Hundreds of thousands are protesting his stupid war because they want his war to end. And they know he's the one extending it. He's the one standing in the way of the hostages being released and returned. He's the one. They know this. Hundreds of thousands of protesters gather in Tel Aviv to demand an end to the Gaza war. Wow. Yep. That they're protesting because they want the government to stop killing all the people that their sons in the military want to sexually abuse anyway. So here's, here's a little bit of the pro. Look at that protest. This is in Tel Aviv. Tens of thousands of Israelis have joined nationwide protests and one of the largest demonstrations in Israel since fighting began the day of nationwide protest aimed to pressure the government to halt the military campaign and bring the hostages home. Stop Bibi's war. Protesters block roads outside Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Oh, look, she spits on them. More than 30 protesters were arrested. Look at all those. The day of protest culminated with the rally at in Tel Aviv. They only arrested 30 people out of all those hundreds of thousands. The decision is widely unpopular. The decision to invade Gaza City. So the decision to that Bibi Netanyahu made to invade Gaza City very unpopular among Israelis and many of the hostages families. Those who are calling. Hang on. Those who are calling today for an end to the war without Hamas's defeat are not only hardening Hamas position and delaying the release of our hostages, they are also ensuring that the horrors of October 7th will repeat themselves over and over again. This is what this is. Nobody believes them. Your own people have turned on you, Bibi. Stop Gaza and genocide. Look at the. This is really happening. Hundreds of thousands of people. Look at that. Wow. How come even Israelis are sick of the Gaza genocide but not American Zionists? Isn't that wild? Wow. Now baby has to prove that he doesn't care about his own people more than he cares about the Palestinians. It's just that nobody's on his side anymore. Even the Jews in Israel are against him. Nobody anywhere on earth is on Benjamin Netanyahu side except people right here in America, of course. Wow. Netanyahu losing the Jews was not on my bingo card this decade, I'll tell you that. The Hostage and Missing Families Forum, the initiator of the of the day of protest, estimated at 500,000 people, joined the demonstration in Tel Aviv, a figure not confirmed by the police. We demand a comprehensive and achievable agreement and an end to the war, said the mother of a hostage leading figure in the protest movement. We demand what is rightfully ours. Our children. The Israeli government has transformed a just war into a pointless war. National media published a video message by Matan Zangur on Sunday in which the hostage, weak and emanciated, addressed his family and told them he missed them. The video was filmed by Hamas and found in Gaza by the army, the family said. So. So again, it boils down to the hostages doesn't really have anything to do with the Palestinians. And if it's any consolation, it was never a just war. Hahaha. It was never a just war. So this is probably the last minute we have to save the hostages, said a demonstrator, the protesters. The protests came more than a week after Israel's security cabinet approved plans to Capture Gaza City, 22 months into the war that has created a dire humanitarian crisis in the Palestinian territory. The Hostages and Missing Families Forum campaign group vowed on Sunday that protesters would shut down the country with the goal of Bringing back the hostages and ending the war. Hey, Randy Fine said. The war is going great, you know. Congressman Randy Fine, Egypt said. In recent days, mediators were leading a renewed push to secure a 60 day truce deal that includes a hostage being released after the last round of talks in Qatar ended without a breakthrough. Some Israeli government members who oppose any deal with Hamas criticized Sunday's demonstrations. Israeli's far right Finance Minister Beslalo Smotrich decried a perverse and harmful campaign that plays into the hands of Hamas and calls for surrender. Well, what you can do is surrender to the laughter when I'm going to be in Rutherford, New Jersey, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Chicago, Appleton, Wisconsin and Fort Wayne, Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky. Go to Jimmy Dore.com for a leak for tickets. But there's more to the story. Benny Gantz, an opposition leader, condemned the government for attacking the families of the hostages while bearing responsibility for the captivity of their children by hamas. For nearly two years, Israel's military offensive has killed at least 61,000 Palestinians. The figure does not include the thousands believed to still be buried under the rubble or the thousands killed indirectly as a consequence of the war. So here's Israeli police viciously attack war protesters. I don't even see that. Wow. Who knew there were so many Hamas supporters in Israel? 300,000 protesting in Tel Aviv right now after 2.5 million gathered around the country today. Imagine a day long protest with 80 million people in the United States. Enough. Let Life win. Wow. 2.5 million gathered around the country. There's only like 10 million people in all of Israel. Wow. That's. Wow. Wow. Israel is the place that makes Jews unsafe. Israel is the country that makes Jews unsafe. Doing a genocide on social media makes Jews unsafe. Doing a genocide in the name of Judaism makes Jews unsafe. I'm sure Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn't arm Hamas and let them attack on purpose. I mean, look how well Israel treats their own Jews. What a sea. You don't have to see this. Israel's growing frustration. It's not a war, it's a genocide. Call it what is. So the AP says the headline is Israel's growing frustration over the war in Gaza erupts in nationwide protests. It's not a war, it's a genocide. Yeah, it's a war. It's not a war. A war would be like with two, two militaries fighting each other in Israel. Gaza, you have Israel with their F22s, F16s and 2000 pound bunker buster bombs against guys with the hang gliders. Not really a war. Netanyahu says nationwide strike is distancing the release of our hostages. And I should know, he said, since I have done more than anyone else to prevent their hostages from being released. Here's one more. One more slide. In case anyone asks why the hostages aren't being released and the war in Gaza can't be ended, Netanyahu has no interest in that because his political career and land grabbing plans are simply more important to him. That's exactly right. The real tragedy is that is the, is the stranglehold that Netanyahu has on our government. And done. President Trump, Wow. There's no greater threat to the hostages than the guy in this photo right here. Once the hostages come back, his free ride is over. The hostages only chance is based around Benjamin Netanyahu's removal from power. Think about that. So if Benjamin Netanyahu got ousted, the hostages would be freed and it's time for Bibi to step down and go boating with the Clooneys. That's what I think. And the Obamas. And if you, if you've ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu in a Speedo, you'd understand why he wants to dominate the world. World. So good. Good on the Israelis protesting and good on you for coming out to see my comedy coming up in Rutherford, Canada. Chicago, Wisconsin. Louisville, South Bend, Indiana. Go to Jimmy Dore.com for a link for tickets. Hey, become a premium member. Go to jimmy dorecomedy.com sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business. All the voices performed today are by the one and only, the inimitable Mike McRae. He can be found at mikemcrae.com that's it for this week. You be the best you can be and I'll keep being me. Out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Do not freak out.

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