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Here’s Why Elon QUIT DOGE & Left Washington D.C.!
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Billionaire Tesla CEO Elon Musk is leaving the Trump administration after leading a tumultuous efficiency drive, during which he upended several federal agencies but ultimately failed to deliver the generational savings he had sought. During a press...
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Keaton
Foreign.
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Kurt
Come see us live in Glasgow, Manchester, Belfast, Dublin, London, Liverpool, Birmingham. Go to jimmy dore.com for a link for tickets.
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Keaton
Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt here in for Jimmy while he is on the road this week. All right, this was a fast developing story, everyone. A very fast developing story. I don't even remember which show I did this on, if it was Jimmy's or mine. But Elon Musk expressed his dissatisfaction with the Big beautiful bill just a couple days ago, saying, a bill cannot be both big and beautiful. That is a contradiction. In turn, Coach is fake. So, you know, I was like disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it and undermine the work that the Doge team is doing.
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Jimmy Dore
I actually thought that when this big.
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Unknown
Beautiful bill came along, I mean, like.
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Jimmy Dore
Everything he's done on Doge gets wiped.
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Keaton
Out in the first year, I think. I think a bull can be. Can be, can be big or it can be beautiful, but I don't know if it could be both.
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Unknown
Kyle does him very funny too.
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Keaton
Oh, yeah. To nail. You know, that Dutch accent is kind of hard. You know, it's.
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Unknown
It's not quite that, but it's very. Dude. You could tell that he was disappointed, you know, because he's again, don't forget a hardcore Asperger guy.
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Keaton
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown
And so you can see is this one, because as soon as this happened and we reported a while ago about it, I'm sure you guys did too, about how Doge wasn't cutting anything. Bannon came on the show and told us, if you don't go to the Pentagon, it's worthless. Oh, yeah, yeah. So people are crashing their fat scooters into trucks and all this for nothing.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
But I think he didn't know because as soon as he realized the Big Beautiful bill, all of a sudden I started seeing a lot more we got to go to Mars. Like, I think he got so disillusioned that he's like, oh, no, let's just go to Mars. He's going to Occupy Mars shirt.
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Keaton
Yep. Oh, no. It's very much get me the hell out of here kind of thing. And that is what he's doing. So the Trump war room posts. Elon Musk. I look forward to continuing to be a friend, an advisor of the President, continuing to support the Doge team. And we are relentlessly pursuing $1 trillion in waste and fraud reductions we. Which will benefit the American taxpayer. But of course, he is out at.
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Unknown
I will continue to visit I will continue to visit the White House.
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Keaton
Oh, will you bring from the mini bar? I will continue.
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Unknown
Son with the robot name.
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Keaton
Yeah. I'll continue to sleep in the guest house at Mar a Lago. Yes. Because that is what I am owed. But I will not have an official position here any longer. Here's Elon Musk bidding a bittersweet farewell. So I look forward to continuing to be a friend and advisor to the president, continuing to support Doge's team, and we are relentlessly pursuing $8 trillion in waste and fraud reductions which will benefit the American taxpayer. So that's it, really. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, thank you, thank you. There's a cart for your bags if you need it outside the kitchen.
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Unknown
Show you out.
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Keaton
Yeah. Show you how. Yes. A disillusioned Musk, distance from Trump, says he is exiting Washington. I wish we had violence. Yeah, exactly. Elon Musk took a swipe at President Trump's signature domestic policy legislation saying it would add to the national deficit. Well, it's not signature anything yet because it hasn't passed. I mean, it still has to get through the Senate, which is going to be hard. He complained to administration officials about a lucrative deal that went to a rival company to build an artificial intelligence data center in the Middle East. God damn it. Spurned. And he has yet to make good on a hundred million dollar pledge to Trump's political operation. So.
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Unknown
Want to hear something else? I know because my friend, I do a show called News for Women. I produce with Chloe. She's a buddy who's from Abu Dhabi, who's an arms dealer, and they poach Elon's talent. And guess what country doesn't have no tariffs on nothing? Abu Dhabi. So he's getting his stuff poached. That it has to be, through Trump's people setting that up. He's probably upset in many ways.
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Keaton
Yes, yes. He seems pretty upset. He seems pretty bitter. Mr. Musk, who once called himself the president's first buddy. Oh, that's sweet. Is now operating. He's my best friend. You were my best friend. Is now operating with some distance from Mr. Trump as he says he is ending his government work to spend more time on his companies. Mr. Musk remains on good terms with Mr. Trump, according to White House officials. But he has also made it clear that he is disillusioned with Washington and frustrated with the obstacles he encountered as he upended the federal bureaucracy, raising questions about the strength of the alliance between the President and the world's richest man.
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Unknown
Do people think he's the world's richest man. I just want to ask, is everybody this dumb that they really believe the richest man is Elon Musk? Do you think you would get to know the name of the richest man?
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Keaton
Alien man the. The world?
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Unknown
No, he's not. No, he's not the richest. Not by a long shot. Not by a long shot.
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Keaton
So you think you, you don't think the people richer than him are like the, the reptiles, like, like the shape shifting lizards? You think there are MBS vertebrate mammals who are richer than him? Is that what you're saying?
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Unknown
There's. You ever hear the Von Merkenstein's.
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Keaton
No.
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Unknown
Yeah, that. I promise they're richer.
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Keaton
All right, I'll take. Well, maybe Trump should hire him next. Von Merkenstein should come.
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Unknown
Look, he's a disillusioned. I see this with everyone. It's like once I hit my 40s in comedy, the same disillusionment of the business. I watch all these other people go through it. And he's a guy who's a little bit spurgey, to say the least. And he really was like, excited that he's. Oh, we found a lot of waste. And he's just some dumb nerd the whole media made out like. He's the power behind every stupid liberal, especially in New York. Oh, Elon controls Trump. Did you really? Do people think that, that that nerd was in charge? No, he's yet another nerd that is being taken advantage of while he's there. Didn't you watch Barbenheimer? It's. This is how it works.
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Keaton
Well, the thing about Elon is because he donated so much money, you notice Trump doesn't go after him the way he goes after the other people when he pushes back. Right. He remains very diplomatic. Trump was. Yeah, exactly. Mr. Musk was the biggest known political spender in the 2024 election. And he told Mr. Trump's advisors this year that he would give $100 million to groups controlled by the president's team before the 2026 midterms. As of this week, the money hasn't come in yet, according to multiple people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the behind the scenes dynamic. The billionaire's imprint is still firmly felt in official Washington through that effort, an initiative to drastically cut spending that has deployed staff across the government. But Mr. Musk has said in recent days that he spent too much time focused on politics and has lamented the reputational damage he and his companies have suffered because of his work in the Trump administration. Well, I say he earned it. I think I probably did spend a bit too much time on politics, Mr. Musk said in an interview this week with Ars Technica, a tech news outlet. He added, it was just relative time allocation that probably was a little too high on the government side, and I've reduced that significantly in recent weeks. I've tweaked the dials in my back. In February, Mr. Musk leaped on stage at the Conservative. Yes, this just seemed like just yesterday at CPAC with a chainsaw, and remarked how easy it was to save billions of dollars, sometimes in an hour. Yeah, like it's wild, he said. Mr. Musk's DOGE team has repeatedly inflated its cost saving efforts, at times posting erroneous claims about ending federal contracts that they later deleted. Oh, yeah, no, that was definitely move fast, break things. Most of what they said, absolute.
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Unknown
Yeah, right. But like, it's just like Cash Patel. And all these people think they're gonna do what. Not Bangino. I, I think he was rotten from the start, but maybe Cash Patel. But they all are like the young. Oh, knock down the House aoc. Remember that documentary on Netflix?
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Keaton
Right? Yeah.
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Unknown
And then all of a sudden, Jimmy saying, force the vote AOC slogan.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
Now Jimmy's violent for saying the slogan she came up with.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
How long is everyone gonna fall for this stuff? You know, and what I'm amazed at, especially now that I, you know, I don't know if you know, but Joe Rogan's club is the seat of Western power right now. But people come in, I can't believe I meet. I mean, all these intel people, I blurred out MK Monarch right in their face immediately to see how they react. I mean, all these people. And what I'm blown away by the most is there's a bunch of people that when you, when and when you see it, you go, oh, you didn't know. And it, that's worse than them being in on it from the start. That's when you realize how screwed this is. Because they compartmentalize all the way up the pyramid and all these people have power over, you know, people are lying their way up the chain. So. So besides spying on you, they're. They're really not getting good information at the top. And now you're seeing it like, kind of break apart. Like Michael Malice's book White Pill that collapses under its own weight eventually because it gets absurd. Like, we're well into clown world now, you know.
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Keaton
Certainly. Yes. This week Mr. Musk told the Washington Post that it was an uphill battle trying to improve things in D.C. the cuts he wanted to enact were far more difficult than he expected. Oh, that's right. And lack of interest in learning more about the bureaucracy he considered toxic impeded his efforts, particularly on Capitol Hill, according to people familiar with his efforts who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. Well, the reason that is the case is because, you know, the, the cuts that they were making were largely symbolic in nature and very, very small. Obviously, as a percentage of the overall budgets, which it was obvious from day one, if you weren't going to touch the Pentagon, there was no point in doing this at all. And yeah, they said they were going to. They say a lot of. I mean, they didn't cut those things either.
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Unknown
No, the Biden things got funded in the sea. The continuing resolution. Thomas Massey, always honest with it. So back then we knew none of this Biden's horseshit still funded. Do you think there's two teams anymore? Everyone does everyone still think that?
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Keaton
Yeah. No. Well, USAID just got folded into the Department of State under Rubio. Like this is what they want to do. They, they want to consolidate power as much as possible within the jurisdiction of the executive branch, both as a technical matter and even in more abstract ways as a cultural matter. Don't forget Trump defunds Harvard. Trump expected Harvard to, to bend the knee like Columbia did. So that's why he didn't want to disempower Harvard. He wanted to bring it under the practical virtual control of the executive branch. Do this, this and this control where these students come from, what they think. You have to pass an ideological audit and you'll get the money. Now, Harvard told him to go himself and so he told it right back to them. But the plan was to bend them to his will, which he had good reason to think he could do. Colombia did it. So the whole project of DOGE so far has been to the extent that they have made cuts. It's no, they have tried to consolidate operations as much as they can within this small group of people so that they can dictate day to day operations more than they could control some bureaucrat who is under some other jurisdiction. And that, that was what U.S. uSAID was, pardon me. And as far as the Pentagon cuts, yeah, they were not going to go there. Obviously the budget calls for Pentagon increases. When it comes to his efforts to upend the bureaucracy, Mr. Musk insisted last month that it is possible to meet his goal of slashing $1 trillion of federal spending, but it's a long road to go and, you know, it's really difficult. It's sort of how much pain is, you know, are the cabinet and is Congress willing to take okay. Or are like, ordinary people who need, like, Medicaid?
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Unknown
He's talking about that. He's talking about Social Security and Medicaid.
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Keaton
Yeah, exactly.
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Unknown
Unbelievable.
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Keaton
Like, that's what you're talking about.
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Unknown
I guess my mother will just not get her Social Security. She paid it too. And that's fine.
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Keaton
Right, Right. The reason that's a tough vote for Congress is not because it inflicts pain on them. It's because it inflicts pain on ordinary people who they need to vote for them. And the fact that you didn't see that coming is indicative of the idea of the sort of ideological bent and sort of like philosophical persuasion of a lot of these big tech people. They just don't think shit. It's move fast AI. Yeah.
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Unknown
They are autistic now. I don't know how anybody thinks. They didn't make these people on purpose because when you think about them, they're the perfect consumer. You can tell them what gender to be randomly online. Like, they're good with tech. Great employees. Right. They don't. They're weird with personal relationships. You don't have to worry about that at the office. You tell me that's not an intentional thing they were hoping to come up with.
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Keaton
Oh, of course. Of course.
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Unknown
Disney crap. No matter how bad it is.
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Keaton
Oh. The whole. The whole creation of that economic sector is so that people like Elon can get rich in their gym shorts. They never have to go outside. They never have to deal with anybody else. They just.
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Unknown
You're all the FTX kid.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
And they don't understand why you would. They don't even get what Zuckerberg's like. Oh, people have friends. We will make them computer friends.
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Keaton
Making computer friends. Problem solved. Right? Isn't that right? The solution is not how do we make people more socialized? It's. No, we'll just. We'll create a friend for you. Exactly.
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Unknown
How can we make a more realistic vagina to put.
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Keaton
Because it can be done, but it requires dealing with a lot of complaints. Yes, a lot of complaints from people who need medicine, who won't be able to afford it. If you did what you wanted to.
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Unknown
Do, an AI will tell them to go fuck themselves. Right.
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Keaton
Go themselves. Exactly. He said it remained to be seen whether there was sufficient political will in Congress and elsewhere to actually do that. So newswire White House to seek just $9 billion in spending cuts from Congress out of the 175 billion in claimed savings found by Musk's Doge. So remember when they said it was going to be 4 trillion and then they said it was going to be 2 trillion and then they said well now it's going to be 150. Now they're claiming 175. White House to seek just 9 billion at the end of the day for all that, that can't even keep Ukraine.
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Unknown
Going for three hours.
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Keaton
Yeah, right, exactly. Arnold Bertrand says they went from the original promise of cutting 2,000,000, 28% of the budget down to 9,000,000.1% of the budget 1/10 of 1% more. Perfect Union. The richest man on earth who has cost hundreds of thousands of people their jobs, wants to play the victim.
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Unknown
He's not the richest and that's why he couldn't cut anything. If he were the richest man on Earth, they'd have to do what he said. But he's not. I know people love saying it, but you can't see that he's not just from this alone.
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Keaton
Interesting point. Arnold Bertrand says. I was making this point the other day. This is why the so called Department of Government efficiency is very unlikely to achieve much. Because when you look at who actually works for the US federal government, the immense majority, about 80% of people are related to defense and national domestic security. The US is more than any country on earth, a military and police state. Yes, ding, ding, ding, prize for our node and give it away.
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Unknown
Civilization. That's what it is. It's not out in outer space, it's right here in front of your dumb face.
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Keaton
Oh yeah. It's all around us. It's all around us. Absolutely. The people who can afford to fix their brakes when they go are in a breakaway civilization. That's essentially what it is. Right.
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Unknown
They have a whole Star Trek that they just didn't tell. You remember Star Trek where they've traveling the galaxy.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
So the people, just to tell you the psychological, where everybody's at psychologically is that they've secretly just had one, but they just imagine Star Trek, they just didn't tell Earth.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
Nobody on Earth got to know there was a Star Trek.
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Keaton
Right, exactly. And given Trump and Republicans agenda of a stronger military, stuff like solving the border crisis, deporting illegals, et cetera, they're likely to very much increase jobs in those areas, not decrease. That's right. Hard to see the US ending up with a much smaller army under a Trump administration. The bill, the big beautiful bill, calls for 45 billion with a B dollars in new immigrant jails. And that is five times the doge savings that they are putting in the bill. Again, when you have a. This is exactly it. That's exactly it. I mean, it's a kind of a relief, honestly, that they're building them here, I guess, I guess they can't get Seacot 2.0 built so fast. So at least people will be here where they can maybe someday get some due process. If we ever have any semblance of like, you know, democracy ever again. That would be nice. We can, we can hope, can't we? But, yeah, that's 45 billion dollars. That's 45 billion. That's five times the doge savings right there. I mean, so this is, and this is the, this is a very important point. That's why there's a very important thing that he said. A police state. You can't have a police state and a gutted government. You, you could have one or the other. You want to dismantle the establishment, you have to disassemble the police state. Infrastructure, not military notwithstanding. Just the police state alone. Just the police state alone. You can't enforce that while ushering in this libertarian dream. It's a contradiction in terms. I always thought like the, the, the, the libertarians who were, you know, hyper excited about Trump and Doge, I'm like, but, but the other part of this is building a deportation machine, which is a police state. You can't build a deportation machine without assembling a police state. That costs money. Money even. Whatever philosophical differences aside, that requires a major investment. Major investment that, that far transcends. If you look at a distribution of resources that far surpasses what you're going to save by firing the blue haired lady at usaid.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Keaton
End up this way.
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Unknown
It sounds a lot to me like venture capital, like America's a shell company. Okay. So the real country of These people, whatever this 1% is, put their investment in and they're getting their investment back if the doors fall off the plane. Fu. If anything goes wrong, this is a shell company. It's not a real country.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
Okay. That's all. It's real simple. If you look at it that way, you could tell, you see what it is, it doesn't add up. The numbers. You're right. So why would they be. It's not a mistake.
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Keaton
No.
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Unknown
They're like, oh, it's just greed. Yeah. No, it is. But also, they know what they're doing. That's why they're getting rich from it. So of course the people invested, they're getting their investment back and they're pulling out this loser of a company.
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Keaton
Right, right. It's impossible. It's impossible. What they. What the. The vision of Doge was impossible to implement on these terms. So he finishes. So if 80% is what we're talking about, if 80% of the government is essentially out of bounds for Doge right from the get go, it's largely pointless initiative from the standpoint of broad government efficiency. Exactly.
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Unknown
Mars has less gravity, so it'll probably work better there. It's just too much gravity here.
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Keaton
Right, Exactly. Exactly. But that's it. And they're not even talking about leaving that 80 alone. It's not. It's not only that it's out of bounds. It's. They want to increase resources for that. They want to build more immigration jails. They want to increase the Pentagon budget. Right. So it's not just that that's out of bounds. It's. No, they want to add to that.
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Unknown
That could not stop. He had to. You're out of room until he was caught. He could never stop it. He could never disclose it. He never stop it. He had to keep it going. No choice. That's where we're at. They have to keep the scam going. It's just that simple, dude. They're going to run it and hopefully a war starts. Why are they trying for war so hard? Because what gets us out of this when they do this? You know, 2 trillion's missing from the pen where we can't account for it. Oh no. 911. Well, so it's like a fire in California. It's all the same thing. You burn it down for the insurance.
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Keaton
Yep, exactly. It's like the sporting goods store that got busted out by. By Tony and Paulie there.
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Unknown
Our system of government is Greek lightning.
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Keaton
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the name of that store in the show? I forget. But anyway, they did scam people. All right. Look at, look at, look at the impressions on this one. Remember when. You know, this was very exciting news. The Pentagon just failed at seventh order in a row. And Elon quote tweets it sounds like a job for Doge. 45.9 million views. 243, 000 likes there was.
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Unknown
They don't have one. They're not allowed to give them one. This is a little incon inaccuracy there. Something we don't know if they could pass an audit. They will not have one. It's so much worse than they failed it. Oh yeah, they failed to have one.
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Keaton
TRUMP February 19, 2025 says Glenn Greenwald. We're cutting the Pentagon budget by 8%. TRUMP yesterday during his White House meeting with Netanyahu were so excited. We're increasing military spending by $150 billion to create ever trillion dollar annual Pentagon budget. That's right. That was from Netanyahu's visit.
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Unknown
Village People While we dance to this.
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Keaton
Great news in April, Michael Tracy's always got the deadpan sarcasm. Elon's tweet here from two months ago. I know Defense Department procurement better than I know any part of the government before Doge. Major reform is needed and it will happen. Narrator. It didn't happen. Nicely done. And I love this one too. One thing's for sure, we are all indebted to Elon Musk for making good on his pledge to smash the deep state by going hard at the National Park Service and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau while ignoring the Pentagon and intelligence agencies. Well said Michael Tracy. So, so ends the saga of Doge.
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Unknown
He's a friend, he's a front, like all your leaders and Jake Tapper and all these people are just forward facing parts of the thing to keep you occupied. All they're waiting for, and I didn't get this or anything top secret they say at these tech freaks, all those bunkers that they built, you know, Zuckerberg and all them, you know, they're openly saying why they did it because they think AGI artificial general intelligence is about to come out any minute and destroy Breaking points, even reporting about it. They're going to destroy all the jobs and people are going to get real mad because of the social upheaval. And that's what the bunkers are for. That's their words. That's not what I came up with. So buckle up for that, I guess. Get ready.
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Keaton
You're right. You know, Chris Hedges described the election as a contest between the corporatists and the oligarchs, with the Democrats being the corporatists and the Republicans being the oligarchs. And I think that's a very smart way of looking at it. Corporatists rely on cooperation with other countries and other bureaucrats. They, they have conferences, they have cocktail parties, whereas the oligarchs, it's just like rentier capitalism. It's toll booth capitalism. Oh, we own the roads. You want to drive on the roads, you got to pay us. We own the phones. You want to talk on the phone you got to pay us, right? That's this crew. This is the sort of maverick oligarchs versus the entrenched corporatist. But the result is still a funneling of wealth and power to them at the expense of everyone else. When you look at this budget and you look at the deregulation of AI, you look at the increased investment in prisons, you look at all of the red tape they're trying to create to make it harder for people to get Medicaid and Social Security and housing. This is essentially own nothing and be happy. Except when the Democrats are in control. It's own nothing and be happy. Maga seems to be own nothing and be angry. Own nothing and be aggrieved and be grateful. The immigrants own less. That's basically what this is.
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Unknown
Oh yeah. It's the eternal battle of fascist versus pervert. And there's a lot of revolving door action in that, you know, obviously. Clearly a lot of crossover. Eagle versus Snake you could find. Priest versus King. It's an age old thing. But you are never gonna get out of that stupid. What do you call it? Freemason duality. Like you're never getting out of that. You're never gonna have another choice. Your only choice besides those two things are the same thing. Or you can pick a new gender. You can have a limitless gender. You don't get to say what part of your. I'll tell you're right wing, just so you know. I don't know what you think you are, but I'm labeling you right way. That's how that works. That'll be assigned to you at birth. But you're. You can pick nonsense things for yourself. We've clearly moved into that. Most people are not following this. I'm gonna see my friends tonight. They don't know any of this, just so you know. They're following what's happening. Some of them are following Blake Lively.
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Keaton
Right?
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Unknown
What's going on with that? Okay, just. See, so whenever, whenever I blather about mind control, do you think it's not happening? This is more stupid than I even remember back when we were stupid, when I was young, Stupid now and distracted cow is like mind blowing. I mean, it really is something else and it ain't normal. And you go to other countries, even like compromised ones like England, they're a little bit more literate.
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Keaton
Well, that's the key word is distracted. You know, that's what George Carlin said. He said Americans are made to feel free through the exercise of meaningless choices. Right. They give you the illusion of choice because the exercise of meaningless choices makes you feel like you have some agency and some power within the.
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Unknown
Yeah, you're the.
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Keaton
He said yeah. If you, if you want to vote, there are only two major parties you can vote for and there's very little daylight between them. But if you want ice cream, there's 28 flavors, right? You can pick as many flavors of ice cream as you want.
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Unknown
I think of my children.
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Keaton
Yeah, there you go. Well, now there's more genders.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, the more ice cream, the better.
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Keaton
Well, this is what I mean. I mean that is, that's fine. I mean it's funny but. But it's also speaks to a point, right? Increasing the availability of meaningless choices that don't affect politics.
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Unknown
Too. We're gonna have a new story about white versus black violence that everybody's gonna take it. You know though you can rely on Jeremy from the quartering to report on four times a day.
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Keaton
Exactly.
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Unknown
Yeah, because the guy's coffee business is failing. Everyone's a shell. Like really why I like Jimmy is he's such like has an inability, which I have an inability to do. Like I, I can't.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
Go along to get along with certain things once I know it. And so all you got to do is not be a shill. But that's at every level. What are you gonna do? Keep all my friends go. I just wanna keep my head down and do my job because I'm relentless with them, you know, so I make them say it out loud before I stop.
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Keaton
Well, this is the thing, man. The thing about that is, you know, look, I wrestle with this. One of the reasons I'm really excited to talk to Gabra Matei on, on Monday is that, you know, I have kids. Like I have, I have two six year olds, I have a one year old and you know, my one year old doesn't know nothing now. But my, my six year olds are like starting to learn about the world.
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Unknown
Have they picked the gender yet?
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Keaton
Yeah, they're starting to learn about things. And this is where like. And this is a preview of Monday, what our conversation is going to be. Some of it is like your conscience as a person that like wants to teach your kid to be a good person and a civic minded person and a kind person is if I'm being totally honest, it is at odds with the parental instinct which is to protect your child. Right. Like I don't even want my kid to know. I don't want my kid to know about Israel. I don't want them to know. I don't even want to know who the president is. Like, I want to protect them from that because those are very dark things to know about now.
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Unknown
That's why they tell people about God.
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Keaton
With not only what I do for a living, but it clashes with the kind of person I'd like them to be. Right. And. And so like your friends who want to tune out, like at a certain point it's not going to be reconcilable anymore. Like you're people are just going to have to get engaged because the forces of evil are on the march and they're not stopping unless we stop them. So, like, you don't really have. You're not going to have the luxury of being able to just, oh, out of sight, out of mind anymore.
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Unknown
I'm not usually that far ahead of people either. It's funny. I'm watching like Diddy, like back when Russell was. So I'm not that far ahead of the class like that, but I'm watching it. It's very encouraging to see people see through it now, even in the those Christian spaces where that prosperity gospel crap and all that other stuff, all that hell. Lindsay late. Great Planet Earth, right. Christian dryness, that's all falling apart. And I'm glad to see it because that is a really bad philosophy. Probably a psyop. They don't want you to be devoted to any kind of religions. That's a problem. It's like Slavov Zizek, that voice guy, but he used to say in Slovenia, they didn't want you to be too much of a true believer in commune. They wanted you to be that kind of breaking points, crystal ball type of. I want to maintain a relationship with power.
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Keaton
Exactly.
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Unknown
If you believed in it too much, you're a problem as much as a guy that doesn't believe in it. And Gabor mate, same thing. They knew in Hungary it was. It was propaganda. That's the difference here. They're doing a better job than North Korea by far, propagandizing people.
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Kurt
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Keaton
This is a quick one, but a fun one. We couldn't resist doing this. This broke today. Friday, May 30, Joe Biden surfaces for his first comments since the cancer diagnosis. This is him at a Memorial Day event in Delaware. Colin Rugg tweets. CNN cuts away as Joe Biden says he's not mentally unstable, suggests he would have won the election, and says he could beat the hell out of Jake Tapper. That's right, go. Joe Biden is out swinging today. Biden was also seen getting up close and personal with a young reporter. He says he's feeling great despite his cancer diagnosis. Let's take a look at Joe Biden's first public words since we got the news is good.
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Jimmy Dore
You know, we're working on everything. It's moving along. So I feel good.
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Unknown
Have you decided on your treatment options?
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, we have, and we're underway.
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Keaton
And yeah, I've been getting treatment for six years. Oh, was I not supposed to say?
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Unknown
Oh, so I'm actually healing up. I'm in remission.
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Jimmy Dore
But is all the folks who are very optimistic and so you've started treatment. Oh, yeah.
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Keaton
Oh, yeah. 2018.
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Unknown
Would you be willing to share what exactly that entails?
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, it's all a matter of taking a pill. One particular pill.
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Keaton
That's it. They got pills for cancer. I didn't know that. Reminds me of that scene in the Royal Tenenbaums. You ever see that movie? Yeah, where the patriarchy fakes a stomach cancer so he can reunite with his family who hates him, you know, this patriarchy. And he hires his friends to pose as his doctors. And the family asks, how's he doing? And they say, is he a fighter? I say, yeah, well, that's the best we got. So what do we do? He says, well, we just have to continue on with the stomach cancer medication. That's the only thing he knows how to say. That reminded me this reminded me of that. Yeah, just I take a pill. I take a pill once a day and knock it right out.
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Unknown
Yeah, I take it with my donkey pill.
- [32:45]
Keaton
I take a pill. Yeah, that's what I take for metastasized prostate cancer in my bones. Yeah, you take a pill once a day, you're good.
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Jimmy Dore
That entails, yeah, it's all a matter of taking a pill. One particular pill and for the next six weeks and then another one. You know, we have expectation is we're going to be able to beat this in order to cure organ. It's my bones are strong. I hadn't penetrated so I'm feeling good.
- [33:11]
Unknown
I feel like everybody expect.
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Jimmy Dore
Sir, I've done it all because I'm loyal. I do it every damn.
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Keaton
Now he's going to fight this guy. Crazy guy's crazy. Like it's so nuts. Like when you look at so okay, so now in retro. I mean it was crazy at the time, but you look at this in retrospect and you think this is who the Democrats told you until that debate. Oh yeah, he could serve another four years, no problem.
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Unknown
Well, you know, like I said this before. Yeah. I'm trying to figure it out and I was like, they know he's like that. They're like, oh good. Blinking probably Obama's secretly the president still. And that's good.
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Keaton
Yeah.
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Unknown
And then Sam Harris, Sam quiet power out loud. Harris said it. That is exactly what they think. They don't care. I just hate Trump so much. But you know, maybe he could be Jake Tapper because why would Jake if, if he can't beat up Jake Tapper, why did Jake Tapper hide it for so long?
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Keaton
Right? Yeah, that's a good point. He is taller. Got some inches on him, that's for sure.
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Unknown
I feel like everybody expect.
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Jimmy Dore
Sir, I've done it all because I'm loyal. I do it every damn year from the very beginning.
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Unknown
That's why I feel like everybody didn't.
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Jimmy Dore
Know what to expect of you today.
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Unknown
And then you get here and you're speaking powerfully, you look good, you're confident. What do you say to all those people? Don't, don't count you out?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, I send lots of luck on their senior year.
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Unknown
What is this?
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What has this been like for your family? Obviously this is also an emotional time. This is the 10 year anniversary of your son Bo's passing. You received this diagnosis just two weeks before that.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, we're all optimistic about the diagnosis. Matter of fact, the leading, one of the leading surgeons in the world is working with me and he had diagnosed with the same exact thing 32 years ago. He's alive and well, doing very well. Well, so we're optimistic.
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Keaton
I feel great. You know, my wife tells me I was actually president. I just found that out. I just, she told me I was the president. For a while there I was doing great.
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Unknown
They should have stuck a flashlight to that auto sign machine and told him it's his wife.
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And there's also been a lot of discussion recently about your mental, mental and physical capabilities. While you were in office, you can.
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Jimmy Dore
See that I'm mentally incompetent and I can't walk. And I can beat the hell out of both of them.
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Keaton
Hell out of both of them. So that, that is about Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, the co authors of the new original sin book, saying I can beat the hell. Yeah, you look great. You know, you sound totally fine. You sound totally normal. Getting in people's faces, threatening to beat the hell out of the people.
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Unknown
How tall are you feeling?
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Keaton
Wrote the book saying, yeah, bone cancer, no problem. Take a pill once a day, we're good to go. I'm optimistic. I'll be here for 32 more years. No sound. Sounds totally normal. Sounds like this guy could have totally been the president now.
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Jimmy Dore
Incompetent. I can't walk.
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Unknown
You know what? We had the video of Trump not knowing that the MS.13.
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Keaton
That is true. Yeah.
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Unknown
Was written on it.
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Keaton
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown
And I didn't believe it. I'm like, no. He's saying because there's a legitimate. That could have been a code for that.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
And the reporter you could see is like, holy. Like, he ain't gonna tell him.
- [36:22]
Keaton
Dude. I have never been that shocked at a video in my life that he actually believed that those letters and numbers were on there.
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Unknown
Michael Malice came out on my birthday. I was telling him, he said, what I say went, no, no.
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Keaton
That's why we. If you watch. Well, we made a YouTube short of me reacting to it. I was literally recoiling.
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Unknown
It's brutal, dude.
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Keaton
It's brutal. It's absolutely brutal. Absolutely brutal. By the way, I heard that those numbers mean smoke weed to get high, praise God till you die.
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Unknown
Culture sounds actually like a gang thing.
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Keaton
But that actually makes more sense because the marijuana smile, that. Okay, miss, but the cross and the skull never made sense. That it was 13 God till you die. That makes sense.
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Unknown
Well, you said I. You know, that's a philosophy I have. But.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
I didn't draw it on my knuckles for no reason because I'm not in a gang. I just live that life.
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Jimmy Dore
Both of them.
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Unknown
Do you want to reply to any of those reports? And also to the fact that there are some Democrats who are now questioning whether you should have run for re election in the first place.
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Jimmy Dore
Why didn't they run against me then? Because I would have beaten them.
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Unknown
Do you have any regrets?
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Jimmy Dore
No, I don't.
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Keaton
Oh, my God. I'm sorry.
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Unknown
What is he humoring me now?
- [37:41]
Keaton
Is the audience. Are you as I am?
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Unknown
I make a lot of times I Make the same. The debate with him. I made the same faces Biden was making while I was watching.
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Some Democrats who are now questioning whether you should have run for re election in the first place.
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Jimmy Dore
Why didn't they run against me then? Because I would have beaten them.
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Unknown
Do you have any regrets?
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I never primary.
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Keaton
No, I don't have any regrets. Yeah.
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Unknown
Why? You said no primary.
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Keaton
You said no primary. Right.
- [38:16]
Unknown
Clooney, who runs.
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Keaton
But, you know, he does have a point. And I've said this, too. Like, the Democratic primary voters are the dumbest and most useless people politically in America. Like, if MSNBC tells them to vote for somebody, they will. That's how Biden won the nomination in the first place, is Bernie was about to win. And then Obama cleared the field and msnbc, MSNBC said, all right, it's got to be Biden. And that's how he got there in the first place. So he does have a point.
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Unknown
How, you know, left and right, we have a.
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Jimmy Dore
There's a lot going on and.
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Keaton
Oh, yeah, we know.
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Jimmy Dore
I think we're in a really difficult moment, not only in American history, in world history. I think we're one of those inflection points in history where the decisions we make in the next little bit are going to determine what things look like for the next 20 years. I've been talking about that for a long time, and I'm very proud. I put my record as president against any president at all. You notice that 12 to 10 lady presidential historians rated me pretty good up in that list. And the guy I ran against, presidents.
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Keaton
Of all time, according to Daily Beast.
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Unknown
Oh, did they? Historian drank you pretty high.
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Jimmy Dore
That feels good. Look, that's my. My son, Bo's son. And both started coming here with me about the same age. And so it's, you know, he wanted to be where his dad had been and what he's doing. He just graduated from high school. He's going off to college in the fall. And I'm really proud of him. And he's. He is. He is the son of his father. Do you have anything to say to the press secretary?
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Keaton
Okay, that's enough. Okay, we got it for the first time there from former President Biden. Okay, that's enough of that.
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Unknown
They got, you know, why bother Bash?
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Keaton
What.
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Unknown
Why even show up anymore?
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Keaton
I mean, they. They have. I mean, it is. It really is a hopeless situation. It really is. I mean, it is just incredible. Like, they cannot let that guy on tv. Like, that guy just has to stay home forever. Unbelievable.
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Unknown
Bill Maher will have A comment about how great it was to see Biden while, like, where was this Biden?
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Keaton
Where was this Biden?
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Unknown
Because that thing like, now you know, now that the president presidency of America is like a world's greatest grandpa contest, like, right. Who do you want to be your grandpa more? Your fake grandpa? That is not doing anything for you. That's all it is. And then. And you're supposed to fixate on a personality and nothing else. If you tell people about the things they actually do. That is a conspiracy theory, right? When I go, dude, I was telling Rogan about hate. And Rogan's a guy who's open to a lot of stuff. I still about Haiti. Like, a couple times ago, I did it. And he's like, oh, man. You know, these conspiracy. We would have gotten my crazy conspiracy. I didn't get to say them because normal news people think is fake, right?
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Keaton
Yeah. No, I mean, this is just like. This is just otherworldly, bizarre. Like, they're never going to be. No matter how bad the Republicans up. And the Republicans are up left and right. I. I grant that all day long. They're not going to be taken seriously as an organization for as long as the stain of this is with them. The fact that they were vouching for this guy, it's just incredible. And then when you watch him now he has cancer, and you come out and you watch and the reporter says, yeah, you seem fine. What are you. Are you out of your mind? Are you out of your mind? It's just. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable now.
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Unknown
Oh, where was that during the debate? I was like, was he on something? And then Tony told Hinchcliffe, told me, and he's. I bet he's right. They stopped giving him his stuff for the debate because they wanted, you know, whatever was propping him up like that, they weren't given. They didn't give it to him that night.
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Keaton
Well, what I've heard is that actually the hormone therapy that they give you for prostate cancer can cause things like decreased balance, mental fog, cognitive.
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Unknown
Oh, he might have got the brain fog from.
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Keaton
So that's what I'm thinking, is that he had c. Because I do not. I don't care what they say. I do not care what they say. I do not believe that they just discovered this brain cancer a few weeks ago. I do not believe that prostate.
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Unknown
I thought his.
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Keaton
Sorry brain. No. Brain fog bra. Yeah. No, I. That.
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Unknown
Sorry brains. That. Hold it.
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Keaton
Sorry. I. That up. I do not believe that they just found the prostate cancer a Few weeks ago. I, I don't care what they say. Dan Bongino can say he has video of the diagnosis. I don't care what they say. I do not believe that. I, I just.
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Unknown
Why would you believe it? Who would believe that? Who would believe checking his health.
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Keaton
Right?
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Unknown
Non stop.
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Keaton
Right. The president of the United States goes for routine medical screenings all the time. He's an old man. Don't you get prostate exams from like 40 now? Is that, is that what they're recommending?
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Unknown
You know, you get prostate visually preventable, takes a long time to become a problem kind of cancer.
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Jimmy Dore
Right.
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Keaton
So, so they ignored it for that. I don't buy that. I do not buy that for one second. I think he had this from before he became president at all. And I think the treatments are part of what him up because look, my mother has Parkinson's and with her it was years of subtle things you notice that are wrong. Like having to repeat yourself a bunch of times for her to understand something right. And you know, just her having trouble basic comprehension. It doesn't go from the way we saw him in 2016 to when he's on the campaign trail in 2019. I'm not saying that's impossible because he's an old man and things can deteriorate quickly as an old man. That's possible. Possible. But I don't know and I don't buy that they hit. I don't buy that they just discovered the cancer when he left office. That's just way too convenient to believe. And given the fact that, that the hormone therapy for this cancer can cause the exact kind of symptoms that we're seeing, that pretty rapid on set version of them. Yeah, man, they, they covered this up for a very long time. I think throughout his entire time in office. I think he was sick the entire time.
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Unknown
That's probably the least thing wrong with him the time he's in office. I, I now I don't know if it's true or not, but it came from pretty connected people. This but he had something called frequent, frequent aneurysm syndrome. Some people have said. I've never heard of that. I looked it up. I couldn't find it, but it's what it says. So remember you had like three or four aneurysms that we know about. That sounds pretty dangerous you get if you've had that many. It does. It's not like those leaks aren't going to keep springing, you know.
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Keaton
Welcome to the Jimmy Dore show, everybody. Keaton and Kurt in for Jimmy this week, Israel announces major expansion of settlements in the occupied West Bank. The BBC, oh, finally has the report. That's right, that's right. They're finally moving on back. Hold them back for so long. Party's over.
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Unknown
Enough. I say to them.
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Keaton
That's right. Well, Grok, here's what Grok has to say for some background about these West bank settlements. Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 49 prohibits an occupying power from transferring its civilian population into occupied territory. The International Court of justice, in its 2004 advisory opinion on the Israeli separation barrier, stated that the settlements violate this provision as they involve the transfer of Israeli civilians into the west bank, considered occupied territory post 1967 Six Day War. The ICJ's 2024 opinion reiterated this, declaring the settlements unlawful and calling for their cessation. You could tell Elon's out of the White House because this is a surprisingly based take on this from Grok. I guess this is how you know he's packed his bags and left.
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Unknown
Yes, Grok dropped the berg off its name.
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Keaton
Exactly. Yes, Groxtein. No more UN resolutions. The UN Security Council and resolutions like 446 and 2334 has consistently declared the settlements illegal, citing violations of international humanitarian law and obstacles to peace. These resolutions are politically influential, but not legally binding in the same way as treaties and of course, the Rome Statute. The International Criminal Court considers the transfer of civilians into occupied territory a potential war crime. In 2021, the ICC opened an investigation into alleged Israeli war crimes, including settlement activities. Though this is contested. Right. And ongoing.
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Unknown
You know, so even if you think they're far left commies in charge, like here, let me be the. I don't know, Tim Pool side of this. Let's say they're just far leftists and they.
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Keaton
I knew you were bald. I knew it.
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Unknown
I thought about wearing a beanie as a toupee, but I would break out. Okay, so let's say that the ICC and all them are wrong. You don't believe in those. They're. They're anti Semitic, probably, they're communist, whatever. But then they'll turn around the next day I'm going to hear how Putin is wanted.
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Keaton
Right?
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Unknown
Or whoever. So there is no inherent, logical, coherent, like none of this ever makes sense if you can remember a thing more than a month ago.
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Keaton
Right, right. Exactly. Exactly. Israeli ministers say 22 new Jewish settlements have been approved in the occupied west bank, the biggest expansion in decades. Several already exist as outposts built without government authorization, but will now be made legal under Israeli law.
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Unknown
Finally.
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Keaton
Yeah, yeah. Well, this is, I mean this is why they were excited about Donald Trump, because you know, Trump lifted the sanctions on the settlers and made it very, made it easier for them to expand here in a quicker period of time. Unlike that pain in the ass Joe Biden, that Palestinian Joe Biden as they called him. Right? Haha. Yeah, yeah.
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Unknown
Which one though? The taller one.
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Keaton
Yeah, right, the taller one. Exactly. Yeah, that's, that's right. Others are completely new. According to Defense Minister Israel Katz and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, settlements, which are widely seen as illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this, are one of the most contentious issues between Israel and the Palestinians. Yeah, of course.
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Unknown
I was just asking the other day, wait, why do you have settlers still?
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Keaton
Right?
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Unknown
Why is that even a word that goes around? Oh, there you go. Something with the settlers. Like why do you still have that?
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Keaton
Yeah, oh, they call themselves settlers and then they will say this is not a colonial project. But if it's not a colonial project, why do you literally call yourself settlers? They don't, they don't really dispute that term. I mean I've never heard an Israeli say, no, I'm not a settler. No, they are settlers.
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Unknown
My ex was Israeli. We were together a long time and she and I, I didn't, until this conflict, I didn't realize how she slowly pushed me out of my room onto the couch.
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Keaton
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, little by little, right?
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Unknown
It was a little by little, a lot of peace treaties.
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Keaton
All right. Then she wouldn't let you eat out there either. She would control the food, she would move the fridge into the bedroom.
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Unknown
And I paid for all of it.
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Keaton
Yeah, and you paid for all of it. That's right. Katz said the move prevents the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger Israel. While the Palestinian presidency called it a dangerous escalation, the Israeli anti settlement watchdog PeaceNow called it the most extensive move of its kind in more than 30 years and warned that it would dramatically reshape the west bank and entrench the occupation even further. Israel has built about 160 settlements housing some 700,000 Jews since it occupied the west bank and East Jerusalem, land Palestinians want along with Gaza for their hoped for future state. In the 1967 Middle east war, an estimated 3.3 million Palestinians live alongside them. So there you could see a map of Palestinian areas, Israeli areas, and then the little house logos are the planned new settlements that Israel is looking to build.
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Unknown
Western style democracy, no constitution and you know, kind of a South African. I can't remember the name of it, but you know, there's one that I remember from Lethal Weapon too.
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Keaton
Right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yes. So how do is how do Israelis treat the Palestinians? In the West Bank, Israeli settlers torch wheat fields near Nablus. This is just a snapshot here. That movie, no Other Land, great film, won the Oscar last year. That gives you a very, very up close look. The day to day reality living in these Palestinian villages in the west bank and the interactions with both the rank and file settlers and of course the idf.
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Unknown
And there's a tragedy, Keaton. It's sad, you know. War, War.
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Keaton
That's right. That's right. Israeli settlers torch wheat fields near Nablus. Settlers from the illegal Shavai Shamron settlement and a nearby outpost set fire to about 10 acres of wheat field fields in Sebastia this week in the illegally occupied West Bank. According to Wafa, the blaze destroyed an entire crop of two Palestinian farmers, roughly seven and a half football fields. Mayor Muhammad Azem says attacks are escalating to displace farmers and seize land. Officials report settlers also used sheep to graze on the Palestinian farmland, further destroying crops. Escalating settler violence. At least 938 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces or settlers in the West bank since October 7, according to the UN. The Palestine Information center documented over 900 settler attacks this year. Between January 1 and May 24, 900 separate incidents. Incidents include arson, assaults, home invasions and property destruction, often under military protection. Rights groups warn these attacks are part of a broader effort to displace Palestinians with near total impunity.
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Unknown
Back to you have Israel derangement syndrome.
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Keaton
That's right.
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Unknown
Yeah, that's a real thing that I thought meant what the settlers were doing. But no, it means what you're saying, right?
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Keaton
It means saying it. That's what it means. Right, Exactly. On Thursday, Israel Katz and Bezel Smotrich, an ultranationalist leader and settler who has control over planning in the west bank, officially confirmed a decision that is believed to have been taken by the government two weeks ago. Katz said the decision was a strategic move that prevents the establishment of a Palestinian state that would endanger Israel and serves as a buffer against our enemies. This is a Zionist security and national response and a clear decision on the future of the country. He added. Smotrich called it a once in a generation decision and declared next step sovereignty. That's right. Their goal is total annexation. Lior Amahai, Director of Peace now, said the Israeli government no longer pretends otherwise. The annexation of the occupied territories and Expansion of settlements is its central goal. Elisha Ben Kimon, an Israeli journalist with the popular YNET news site who covers the west bank and settlements, told the BBC's NewsHour program that 70 to 80% of ministers wanted to declare the formal annexation of the West Bank. Yes, this is a very popular political project within Israel, of course. So here is one of very few dissenting Israelis named Gideon Levy, who warns in response to this that the price of this violence and conquest, both in Gaza and the west bank is going to be that Israel comes a pariah state akin to, as Kurt, you mentioned a few minutes ago, South Africa. So let's take a look on the.
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Unknown
Other side of politics that wants to move them.
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Gideon Levy
This is true, but we can only hope to change the mindset of Israelis about it, because the price that Israel is going to pay, both morally, domestically and above all internationally, is going to be a very heavy price, a pariah state like South Africa. And we know from the, from the example of South Africa that this cannot last forever.
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Keaton
You mentioned action, rhetoric, condemnation doesn't do anything. What does action look like to try and change the mind of those within the Israeli government who are following this course of action?
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Gideon Levy
Look at South Africa, and look what international pressure did to South Africa. Look at the reaction of the world toward the invasion of Russia to Ukraine. Within weeks there were sanctions. Israel invaded Gaza 20 months ago. And the word sanction is almost criminal to be mentioned in the context of Israel. Do you think that that's a way to reach any kind of political goals if the world want to stop this war? And I think it's nothing more urgent than this, including obviously releasing the hostages. The world must intervene not by condemnations, but by actions. And the world knows very well, especially the United States and also the eu. They know very well how to bring an end to the war. But this must include measures, very unpleasant measures.
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Keaton
Sure. Now, of course, the difference between Israel and South Africa is not that one is. Was an apartheid state and the other isn't. Obviously they are both apartheid states in the context.
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Unknown
That's not fair, Keaton. First of all, South Africa used their own money to do that. They didn't use our money.
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Keaton
Well, this is the thing. South Africa is not in the Middle East. South Africa was not our aircraft carrier. Right?
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Unknown
No, because there's too many black people. That's racist.
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Keaton
That is the big difference there. And that is what, of course, makes this situation a lot different, where it's not as simple as this, because this conflict is framed as a clash of Civilizations. Remember the movie syriana? Remember in 2005 when they used to make movies that were about things right.
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Unknown
Back then with George Clooney in them?
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Keaton
Yeah, George Clooney based movie starring George Clooney. There's the one guy who has that big monologue about corruption and he says corruption is why we win. Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. That is what they want to tell everybody about Israel, that Israel is Western presence. It's not even so much about Jewish presence, it's about Western presence in the Eastern world. And if we're not there because it's an oil and resource rich part of the world, these scary people who hate us are going to get rich and expand economically and then expand militarily and then they're going to take over the world. And Israel is the only thing that stands between the west and that. And the sticking point that applies here in a way that it did not apply in South Africa. And that's the main difference. Difference?
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Unknown
Well, yeah, they just had the comedy line for that one. But the, the west, what that means is the UK's interests, which is why Iran happened how it did.
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Keaton
Right.
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Unknown
If you look at the Balfour Declaration and people make a big deal about. What's his name, D. Roth. I don't remember which one. The Roth trial that he, it's that declaration. He has it. And if you read it though, Israel ain't supposed to be doing what they're doing right now in the Balfour Declaration, which some people would say it was creepy. That's actually quite humane compared to how they act now. Yeah, shocking.
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Keaton
Yeah, yeah.
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Unknown
UK formed out colonialism to Israel because they were colonizing the Arabs. So that's what that's really all about. How that started was they'll. It's not even our aircraft carrier. This was for the, for the UK originally. But then, you know, once we got brought back in after I guess World War I, I guess it's the west now.
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Keaton
Yeah, yeah. As I understand it, as I remember this, and I'm admittedly rusty on this history, so I, I don't think I'm getting this wrong, but basically Ottoman Empire days, there were limits on land purchases by private landowners and the Brits lifted that and a lot of very wealthy Jews like the Rothschilds bought that land. And so this is about property, it's about a Western presence in that part of the world. That, that is the motivation for Zionism by Western powers of Jews or even subservience to Jews. It's that, hey, they, they're sellers they need a buyer. We need a presence in this part of the world to maintain this clash of civilizations narrative. And there are probably a lot of people who sincerely believe what the character in the movie said, which is, hey, if we're not there, they're going to organize against us and they're going to conquer the world and we're all going to be dead. There are probably people who are that paranoid to think that that's going to happen and that vicious. So vicious as to think that all of this bloodshed is justified in order to prevent that.
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Unknown
Well, Keaton, do you want Iran to have a Samson option?
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Keaton
Yeah, right, exactly. Well, yeah, we will see how that. How that goes, how those negotiations go. That is. That is another sort of part of this that we're going to have to wait and see. But within the borders of Palestine, the Greater Israel Project is, of course, alive and well.
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Unknown
Yeah, they gave South Africa nukes, by the way. Just fun fact about Israel, and then like, tepidly condemned them for apartheid to try to look better. But South Africa got nukes from Israel after they got. I think they stole them from France. Am I correct about that? They still have a guy in house arrest to this day.
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Keaton
Oh, really?
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Unknown
Because he revealed it. Yeah. Jewish guy. They're not that good to Jews. I don't know who's telling people Israel's good to Jews, but that doesn't really jive with anything I've seen.
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Kurt
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Keaton
Don't. Don't.
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Unknown
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Keaton
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Kurt
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