Jewish Group DEMANDS U.S. Taxpayers Fund October 7th Victims!

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Jimmy Dore Show

Episode: "Jewish Group DEMANDS U.S. Taxpayers Fund October 7th Victims!"

Date: November 28, 2025
Host: James Lee (guest hosting for Jimmy Dore)
Guests: Kurt Metzger, Chris Keane

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Overview

This episode delves into recent efforts by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other groups to lobby for U.S. taxpayer funds to compensate victims of the October 7th Hamas attack in Israel, specifically through the U.S. Victims of State Sponsored Terrorism Fund. The discussion is supplemented with broader critiques of U.S.-Israeli relations, government priorities, state surveillance, media manipulation, and the intertwining of foreign and domestic influence in American politics. Conversations are interspersed with signature irreverence, skepticism, and biting satire.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. ADL's Push for U.S. Funds for October 7th Victims (01:32–13:13)

• ADL & Dual Citizenship Issues:
  The ADL is lobbying for up to $4 billion from a U.S. terrorism victims' fund—originally meant for American victims of state-sponsored terrorism—to be allocated to Israeli victims of October 7th, emphasizing dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship as a rationale.
  Quote – James Lee: "Why would the U.S. taxpayer pay the victims of October 7th?... If you want to be compensated, that's fine, but don't harm the rights of the widows and kids." (02:44)

• Critiques of the ADL:
  Both hosts discuss a long history of the ADL's controversial behavior, tracing its origins and methods.
  Quote – Kurt Metzger: "They call their group the Anti-Defamation League, not the Innocence Project… because all they do is defame people all day." (05:37; 05:45)

• Israeli vs. American Responsibility:
  Questioning why Israeli victims are lobbying the U.S. government and not the Israeli Knesset, suggesting the move is part of a broader strategy to exploit American resources.

• Industrial Complex Logic:
  Analogies are drawn between the “anti-semitism industrial complex” and the military-industrial complex, suggesting both depend on the perpetuation of their supposed adversaries. Quote – James Lee: "It essentially functions as… the anti-semitism industrial Israel complex, and they need to create more anti-semitism in order to bring it Israel." (06:30)

• Effect on Public Sentiment:
  The hosts speculate that forcing U.S. taxpayers to bear these costs could ignite further anti-Israel sentiment and exacerbate social divisions.

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2. Broader Context: American Support for Foreign Causes (07:44–13:25)

• U.S. Support Justifications:
  Hosts compare rhetorical justifications for supporting Ukraine versus Israel, emphasizing that claims of U.S. national security are often thin or immaterial.

• Weaponizing "Antisemitism":
  Refusal to fund is often spun as antisemitic, squelching debate. Quote – Kurt Metzger: "Maybe because you're an anti-Semite, you don't get it. And I don't have to."

• Manufactured Consent and Surveillance State:
  Discussion moves to how agitation over these issues is manipulated to justify new surveillance measures and public control.

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3. Identity Politics, Genocide, and Holocaust Rhetoric (11:16–13:13)

• Blurring of Jewish and Israeli Identity:
  The deliberate conflation is criticized for stifling legitimate criticism of Israel.

• Genocide Definitions:
  The segment tackles reluctance to label Israeli actions in Gaza as genocide, referencing definitions from Holocaust history. Quote – Kurt Metzger: "If you look up the definition of [genocide]… they are fulfilling the definition as defined by survivors of the Holocaust." (11:39)

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4. Thread: Foreign Influence on U.S. Institutions (16:17–21:30)

• X/Twitter Location Feature Drama:
  A new X/Twitter feature reveals the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) official account was registered in Israel.
  Quote – James Lee: "The official account of the Department of Homeland Security was registered in Israel… Based in Tel Aviv." (16:18)

• Israeli-American Security Intertwining:
  Discussion about how American security infrastructure is deeply intertwined with Israel, making it difficult to extricate interests.

• Historical Roots:
  The segment draws connections between neoconservatism, Christian Zionism, intelligence communities, and their influence from the Clinton/Bush era through today.

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5. Media, Bots, and Manufactured Discourse (24:05–29:00)

• Manipulation on Social Media:
  Hosts analyze foreign-based accounts shaping elite online discourse, arguing a significant share of "public debate" is manufactured or "a psyop."

• Bots and Inorganic Engagement:
  Direct critique of X/Twitter’s business model relying on bots, likened to a call-center experience where statistics are artificially inflated.

  Quote – Kurt Metzger: "There's like one scam in the world… they got to inflate their numbers for private equity." (26:18)

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6. Public Health Policy and Regulatory Capture (29:34–33:46)

• EPA Approving “Forever Chemicals”:
  The EPA is reportedly approving more PFAS (per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances, or "forever chemicals") in pesticides, under both Democratic and Republican administrations, raising health and safety concerns.

• Captured Agencies:
  The hosts mock the EPA’s claimed gold-standard science, highlighting bipartisan regulatory capture and the profit-driven de-prioritization of public safety.

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7. Who's Really in Charge? Figureheads vs. Power Brokers (33:46–39:45)

• Whitney Webb’s Theory:
  Audio is played where Webb argues that visible cabinet figures, like RFK Jr. (HHS Secretary in a hypothetical Trump administration), are often PR figureheads, not actual decision-makers—real power lies with industry-connected deputies (e.g., Jim O’Neill via Peter Thiel).

• Peter Thiel Network:
  Discussion of Thiel’s widespread influence in the new right, the intertwined net of tech, government, and foreign policy operators.

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8. Evangelical Networks, Mindwar, and Conservative Power Struggles (39:45–43:41)

• Religious Group Infiltration:
  The episode touches on U.S. conservative Christianity’s entanglement with foreign intelligence and political projects, referencing cult-like structures and MLM (multi-level marketing) methods.

• The Charlie Kirk Assassination Fallout:
  Reflections on Kirk as a major conservative operator, the risks of crossing power networks, and deeper allegiances that drive volatility on the right.

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9. Military Obedience, Treason, and Political Theatrics (46:09–62:13)

• Trump vs. Congressional Democrats Video Flap:
  After several Democratic lawmakers posted a video urging the military to refuse illegal orders, Trump called for their prosecution—accusing them of sedition.
  Quote – Chris Keane: "You can refuse illegal orders. No shit. Doesn't everyone know that? Do we need a video about that?" (48:57)

• Debate on Lawful/Unlawful Orders:
  The discussion unpacks the reciprocal and often performative accusations of sedition/treason, noting historical American principles: military loyalty lies with the Constitution, not a single leader.

• Virtue Signaling vs. Real Change:
  Both sides’ rhetoric is dismissed as largely performative, diverting from substantive policy or reform.

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

• On ADL and Anti-Semitism Industrial Complex (06:43):
  Kurt Metzger (paraphrased): "They need to drill for more anti-semitism like it was natural gas to run that golem that they've created, which is a trauma-based mind control creature."

• On U.S.-Israeli Security Entanglement (20:57):
  James Lee: "All of our security technology and whole infrastructure is basically one with the Israelis. It's actually very difficult to untangle that, and that's by design."

• On Manufactured Discourse (25:18):
  Kurt Metzger: "Everything is a psyop. The whole thing is a psyop. Everything."

• On U.S. Military Funding (60:23):
  Chris Keane: "We spend a trillion dollars on [the military] every year while there's people living on the street... How is that not oppressing US civilians?"

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:32]–[13:13]: ADL and the push for October 7th victim compensation; historical and political implications
• [16:17]–[21:30]: X/Twitter foreign influence, DHS account “based in Israel,” U.S.-Israel security ties
• [24:05]–[29:00]: Bots, foreign propaganda, and fake discourse on social media
• [29:34]–[33:46]: EPA, PFAS chemicals, regulatory capture
• [33:46]–[39:45]: RFK Jr., Peter Thiel, and real vs. figurehead power
• [39:45]–[43:41]: Christian Zionism, conservative networks, and the meaning of the Charlie Kirk assassination (contextual, possibly satirical)
• [46:09]–[62:13]: Trump calls Dems traitors for “seditious” video; military obedience, lawful orders, and performative outrage

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Tone and Style

The episode is marked by a blend of passionate critique, sarcastic humor, conspiratorial speculation, and pop-cultural referencing. Both hosts approach the news with suspicion, repeatedly emphasizing the manufactured or performative nature of state/media narratives and bureaucratic processes.

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Summary for New Listeners

For listeners new to the episode or podcast, this installment offers a deep dive into the controversial intersections of U.S. foreign policy, lobbying, and domestic political theater. It challenges mainstream narratives, critically dissects lobbying by powerful groups (such as the ADL), and explores the mechanisms through which national and international discourse is shaped—often through performative politics, media manipulation, and behind-the-scenes networks. The show’s humor and irreverence help turn complex and often disturbing developments into accessible and thought-provoking commentary.

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Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore Show. My name is James Lee, guest hosting for Jimmy today. We also got the great Kurt Metzger here. And let's talk about what the US Government is up to next. Apparently there are some people out there that want to make it so that the U. S taxpayer will have to pay the victims of October 7th. Not that we're downplaying what they experienced on October 7th, but why would the US want to or why would the US be responsible for that? Let's take a listen from one of the 911 survivors here and then we'll discuss on the other side. My October 7th victims are in my.

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Congress lobbying Congress and writing legislation that.

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Harms the rights of 911 widows and children. They're writing legislation to change this government fund that's supposed to be for American victims of terror terrorism.

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From September 11 to October 7, my.

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Congress Foreigners will get some of this money now while they're dual citizens and they're trying to expand the laws. I don't know much about Israel's Congress or their laws, but like why aren't.

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They in Israel lobbying their Congress? Why aren't they in Israel using Israel's.

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Why would the United States taxpayer pay the victims of October 7th, if you want to be compensated, that's fine, but don't harm the rights of the widows and kids. That's right. Why would. That's a great. That's a great question. Why would the United States government pay for the victims of October 7th? Let's take a look at the reasoning for that. So evidently this is from Gen X girl. The ADL is the one behind this. They're trying to get U. S taxpayers to pay $4 billion to Israeli October 7 victims through the U S. Victims of state Sponsored Terrorism Act. Okay, so for more information about about this is from the Information Liberation by Chris Minahan here. Quote, the Anti Defamation League is seeking to drain the U S. Victims of state sponsored terrorism fund of billions of dollars in response to Hamas's attack on Israelis in Israel on October 7. The ADL, which successfully lobbied the US government to designate Hamas a foreign terrorist organization, is now exploiting Hamas's terror designation and the fact that some of the Israelis killed in Israel have dual citize America to empty America's fund for US Terror victims. Quote, Iran is the world's leading state sponsor of anti Semitism and terror alongside Syria and North Korea and they must be held responsible for their roles in the largest anti Semitic attack since the Holocaust, ADL chief executive Jonathan Greenblatt said in a statement.

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Yeah.

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And if the defendants are found liable, the plaintiffs hope to tap into the U.S. victims of state Sponsored Terrorism fund which Congress created in 2015 to compensate individuals who have won judgments against state sponsors of terrorism. Monday's lawsuit seeks at least $1 billion of compensatory damages and $3 billion of punitive damages.

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Wow.

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Okay. So that is what they're trying to do. They're basically trying to. To once again say that we need to pay for their.

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I don't get this by the way, a spy organization. Did you do the great video about a deal? Was there somebody else?

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Yeah. No. Yeah.

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History is so foul on every level. And the way the very beginning.

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Right. I mean it's controversial to talk about with the. Leo Frank. Right.

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He did it. Leo Frank did it.

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Allegedly.

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Right.

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The Deep south were like, hey, how do you frame a black guy? That's messed up. You know how evil you got to be for a bunch of white suckers.

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Well, they tried to blame. They tried to frame the black guy, but it didn't work. Right.

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They still. So I mean already convicted when they lynched him.

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I guess I. So what they're saying essentially, if we were to talk about that case is that the US Population, the jurors wore more, I guess more anti Semitic than they were more anti black. That's kind of what they're insinuating.

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You know what. And they call their group the Anti Defamation League, not the Innocence Project or something.

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Right.

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They call it because that shows you where it's fake.

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It's ironic because all they do is defame people. They just defame people all day.

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That's.

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That tells you what it is. It's from Benai breath, which is the, the Zionist wing of the Freemasons back then. So it's a scumbag group. They've always been spies and filled with. And that guy is the worst. Jonathan Greenblatt. I mean Abe Foxman was a piece of. But wow, this Green, he should lose his job.

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I mean Jonathan Greenblatt, if his job, if you were to say he's the CEO of the Anti Defamation Leagues and supposedly what they do, their whole job is to basically reduce anti Semitism. Anti Semitism by his account has skyrocketed, however they want to measure it. So that's actually really bad. So you should get fired from your job because you're not actually doing a good job. You should get somebody else in there that's actually going to fix the problem.

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You know how we never win a war and yet they get more money every year.

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Exactly. No, it, I mean I, this is what I covered in my expose is that it essentially functions as an industrial complex, the anti Semitism industrial Israel complex, and that they need to create more anti Semitism in order to bring it Israel.

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It's their fuel. They need it. It. You have to drill for more anti Semitism like it was natural gas to run that golem that they've created, which is a trauma based mind control creature. That depends on you living in 1948 in your head all the time. Now it's going to depend on October 7th in your head. But the problem is Israelis, if you go look at their news, they know something's up with October 7th. Only the morons here think it's how Bibi Netanyahu would tell you in Israel. They know the difference. They, they're remarkably forthcoming in their reporting about the things they do over there compared to here.

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Well, this is what I mean, this is what like really grinds my gears is that they keep saying, and they meaning Israel, that they don't need American support, they're good on their own, they don't need any of our money. And so here's another situation.

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I want to take it.

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Why do they need to tap in. Like, why do we need to give them $4 billion? As what, restitution for the victims of October 7th from U. S. Taxpayers?

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Because everything is to do that. I mean, like, what do you mean? Why does we have to pay for Ukraine? Why are we paying for. I, I mean, just take it.

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The Ukraine, they can make an argument, right, that, that that is for U. S. National security, right, because of the. You, because of Russia. Right. It's a defense. Ukraine is like a proxy for us. So if it's. We, we rather have them fighting. So we're going to give them the weapons. It's good for our military industrial complex. You know, I'm just spouting off the neocon arguments, okay, let's say about Iran.

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They said it in the thing you just showed. Right?

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So what would be the justification here? What would be. What's. How is this in our national security interest or how would this be?

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Maybe because you're an anti Semite, you don't get it. And I don't have to. Yeah, maybe if you weren't a rabid, virulent anti Semite.

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I just don't see how you could possibly spin this as somehow in our interest to do this. Right. The other one's. Okay, I, I don't buy the arguments of, you know, the neocon, the pro war guys, but at least there's an argument being made here. It's just that, oh, because, you know, we want this and if you say no, you're going to be an anti Semite. So we're gonna go ahead and do this to you.

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What was the argument? To replace Assad with a guy from al Qaeda that killed a bunch of Americans? I mean, take any one of these absurd things. I have no idea.

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All the coups and all the stuff, it's for natural resources, right? You could say, well, we want a guy in there who wants to give. Who's cool with cutting. I think this is Tim Dillon. He's like, we don't care about the terrorists as long as they cut us in on the deal. Right?

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That's why we left our stuff for the Taliban in Afghanistan because that's a lithium triangle out there.

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They're cutting us in on the deal, so we're cool with that terrorist. If they don't cut us in, we, we don't like it.

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Right. Well, and plus a lot of them are assets that we created out of the gate. And, and I mean, boca, all of, actually, but with some Boko Haram, that one, that's a classic it just turned out to be from America, the one that give us back our girls campaign. We made all of them with Israel and, and they're like job create. I don't call them terrorists. I call them job creators myself.

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This, this will be a big problem. I think this is one of those things that's really going to once again further fueled the anti Israel sentiment. Right. Because under no argument can you make that's reasonable. Would you say the American taxpayer should be responsible for this?

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Well, it's meant to agitate people and create more anger and.

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Or that's the other point. Is it to create more anti Semitism?

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Why they have to get as many. The whole reason Israel's there in the first place was because the people, the Zionists behind it wanted anti Semitism stepped up because Jews weren't moving out. They're moving to America. And they need to make Jews here feel invested that if there's no Israel there, like Israel keeps them safe. Which demonstrably it does not. By the way. It's never historically kept any Jews safe. It's called the Hannibal Directive. I don't know, look it up. So, but believing that. So if they can make you, your American Diaspora Jew living here, hey, I feel anti Semitic Semitism all of a sudden. The groups like the ADL are there to do evil provocative like that at all times and be scumbag. That's what they're there for. Because then people get mad at that and then they say things about Jews and then regular Jews that are having to do with that can get to feel scared. Maybe they were like, well, I better support Israel because everybody hates me. You see the, the beautiful cycle going on. You know, it's just a very simple thing.

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That's how they do it. They deliberately tied together these two things. If you keep saying to people that the Israeli, the Israelis are Jews, Jews or Israelis, there's no difference. And that you can't be critical of the u. The Israeli government without being critical of Jews. Then, then they're going to be basically liable for this genocide that has occurred here. So then of course people are going to become critical.

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I'll be honest with you. The genocide thing, I got a little. I didn't want to call it that. I wanted to call it ethnic cleansing. So I wasn't comfortable saying that. James, that's a heavy thing to say. But then if you look up the definition of it after World War II from the Holocaust that we all believe that did. I certainly know happened because that's why they're so violent and awful over there now they, they're fulfilling the definition as defined by survivors of the Holocaust. So I hope the irony is not lost on everyone. I. It is. It is.

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Well, well, apparently the Holocaust. You guys covered this. The Holocaust education has been bungled, apparently, according to Sarah Hurwitz. Right. Because now people are becoming too sympathetic to victims.

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Oh, oh, she's one of the best.

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Yeah, right. You know which click I'm talking about. It's. It's what she's talking about.

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How is an amazing clip that I know I'll talk to some friend of mine that doesn't know anything and they didn't see it and if I show it to them, they'll just glaze out because they don't want to see it. But it is truly amazing. It's the thing that 20 years of not wanting to look into this, the things I watch them say blow my mind. Not people exposing them. The people from Israel say insane things. Proud.

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She's. She's an American. She's.

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Yeah, but.

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Yeah, you know, and she says, well, we, we. It's, it's. We've taken the wrong lesson away from the Holocaust education because never again.

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That was the lesson I thought was never again. She wanted you to learn was no, just for us, not anybody else. We could do that if we want to other people. You owe us, frankly, the world.

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So that's, that's kind of. I mean, that, that's. I think this is troubling. I mean, the reason why they think this is an important issue to cover is because this is like literally tearing the fabric of this country apart and people are not going to stand.

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It's about time.

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This is what's going to cause more people to go into the streets and riot because people's material conditions are continuing to degrade over time. And they see this money there, they're going to get on the streets, you're.

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Going to stop consenting. Everybody could just stop consenting to the.

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Well, this is how they're going to create the surveillance state, though. Right. This is how. Because people are on the streets and they're going to use that as justification to say, well, this is why we need all of these Palantir, you know, made technologies to spawn you to see what people are saying online and everything like that. Even though they couldn't catch Thomas Crooks.

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Right.

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He was saying literally very violent things on the Internet.

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From becoming the mayor, though, all this.

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I'm joking.

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There were a lot which we'll get to, but one in particular that was sort of alarming when we saw that the official account of the Department of Homeland Security was registered in Israel on July of 2008 and connected via the Israeli app store. Okay, very interesting. Based in Tel Aviv.

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Yeah. Security is knee deep in Israel, isn't it?

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So I mean a lot of people say this actually makes a lot of sense. Right. Of course it's based in Israel. Why not? Why wouldn't it be our best friend.

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That we can trust. But.

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And some people are saying this is fake. So I just want to show people the screen recording that we have here.

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To kind of prove it's certainly far fetched.

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Yeah.

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What the talking about.

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Yeah.

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So you can see them clicking around on X and it says it right there.

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So that explains why why there's so many of these new homeland security ICE shock troops that are from the idf. Did you see that in Chicago? You know they're recruiting people I previously thought with no military experience just jerk offs with a 50000 signing bonus. And that's what those horrible videos we showed him on Jimmy's show of them attempting to round people off this grab people off the street and the people getting away and they're wearing masks. So. But by the way, no cop should be allowed to wear a mat. That's insane. That's absolutely.

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Well that is insane because then I could go and wear a mask and arrest people and say oh I detaining you for.

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You can't do a nice. An ICE agent in the street grabbing people. That's not a thing. A cop supposed to have their name on their goddamn badge. So that's already dystopia territory now I was afraid, I was like oh they're just highly unqualified people and then they're trying to cover it up. And I'm sure some are illegal immigrants. But no, it's even better than that. A bunch of them are IDF people. So that'll really help the baytar. Right. If we want these people out of here. Who.

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Yeah, but okay, so here's what Grok. Here's what? Hold on a second here. Okay, so Grok says that the video that we just saw shows the short lived feature listing Homeland Security as based in Israel. X removed this feature hours later we'll get to they then they reinstated again. But DHS is officially headquartered in Washington D.C. with no con confirmed operations basing it in Israel. The listings cause and removal remain unconfirmed by officials and this is what I think potentially happened here is that evidently the location actually changes based on where you're traveling to. So if you register in the US but you're now in a country it actually updates periodically. And some people pointed out out that this might be bad because it could dock somebody who's traveling. But the. The official ACT spokesperson here, Nikita Beer, said that it's actually randomized and delayed to not make this possible. So this could be what happened to the dhs. Because, you know, one thing that we do know. Oh, before we get to that, it has since been scrubbed. So now all official accounts that are associated with the government, they are no longer showing this location feature for, you know, whatever reason, national security, whatever.

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But.

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But you'll see here that July 2008 was when this account was registered. Twitter at the time, as it was called. And who was the. So who was the Secretary of homeland security in 2008? It was a guy named Michael Chertoff. He was serving under President George W. Bush between 2009. A little bit before my time, but I'm sure people remember him. So I.

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Back then. Yeah, yeah. Back then everybody's saying we got to be more like Israel because these terrorists, the whole 911 time with George W. Bush. That's why everything is based in Tel Aviv, because that's when they're like, we got to run our airlines like the Tel Aviv, whatever their.

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Yes.

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We got to be like ll. And then they would have these things where the. The teachers are armed with rifles in the classroom, which is total. That's that. But this stuff got merged. Oh, the. You know, the. The invention where you can take control of the plane from the grounds in case terrorists take it over. That's his technology that was patented well before 9 11. Unfortunately, that's not a good detail. But they. It. Everything is extreme. Extremely intertwined. All of our security.

[B]

Extremely. Yes. And that's by design because it makes it so that we are essentially beholden to them. If we were able ever, you know, wake up one day and say, no, no, we don't want to be a part of this anymore. We don't want to continue the same relationship. All of our security technology and whole infrastructure is basically one with the Israelis. So it's actually very difficult to. To Even untangle that. And that's by design. I think that's the Israelis. Maybe you can give them their. Their cunning ability to do that. And I was, I guess, smart of them to do.

[C]

I. I would say, George, because if you think about Clinton, he didn't want to give Pollard back, and there was still some kind of semblance of we have a country that's not exactly.

[B]

Well for Clinton. They tried to blackmail him with the Monica Lewinsky tapes. So that. That leads to, obviously a theory is that was Monica placed in there by.

[C]

I say of course she was. Of course she was. What else would that be?

[B]

Well that's, that's what I've made that claim before. Some people think it's insane. But I say, hey, there's.

[C]

Do they. Or they like trying to discredit the most obvious thing that any idiot could see. If they look at a little bit of information like it's not. Oh, do you think DHS could have its headquartered in Tel Aviv? Oh, that's so crazy. That's like UFO crazy, dude.

[B]

We're not saying that it was. I'm not even saying that it's headquartered in Tel Aviv. I can definitely understand like this whole thing was probably Chertsov probably went over there. It's like, oh, we're going to set up this new Department of Homeland Security, whatever it is. And then so we're going to set up our Twitter. He's over there on some trip in Israel getting all this and he's like, all right, let's set up that Twitter account. Now he's over there and just to look up. So I just. Anyways, I was digging into his past a little bit. Very interesting that he was born to a Gershon Baruch Chertoff, a rabbi and Talmudic scholar who is the leader of the congregation of Benight Israel in Elizabeth, N.J. and his mother was a Polish born Israeli American who was the first flight attendant for El Al you just mentioned. Paternal grandparents are Paul Chertoff, a rabbi and professor of Talmud and Esther Barish Chertoff. So interesting familial connections.

[C]

The Bush doctrine is the Wolfowitz Doctrine, AKA the neocon doctrine as who's that whiny guy? He's like, it's any Semitic to say neocon. I'm forgetting his dumb name. But. But dude, that's when that all merged together. All that creepy ass Christian Zionist thing like really metastasized around 911 time, if you notice. Well, I mean I remember doing that.

[B]

Yeah but. And so now, now they're just saying that this is straight up. People are. They're calling the post that I. Because I made a post that kind of took off about this and they're like, oh no, this is massive misinformation. Of course it's not based in Israel. The Department of Homeland Security came out and denied it. I'm like, of course they would deny. It's like you're going to trust that.

[C]

Oh, okay, it's closed. I guess. Hey thing there was more to it too, but I Guess the trail went col.

[B]

It's all the, it's all the 7k per post accounts. All of them are like, oh my God, you guys are insane.

[C]

Yeah, the 7K club. And you could tell who's. I, I, you know, I don't believe that you could tell who's in it because people that were formerly like UFO accounts now are just talking about how Tucker's bad. Right.

[B]

Well, you can see and some of these cats. So you could see through this. It's not just this whole Israel thing, but now you can see the kind of, I guess you could say infiltration from foreign countries.

[C]

Now officially there they have a little fetal alcohol syndrome head Ian Miles Chong that, that, that screw head Malaysia. So he, he would get exposed by that, the new policy. That's great. Oh, America first is in Bangladesh.

[B]

And then you got ULTRA MAGA TRUMP 2028 from Nigeria.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

And this other one, what is this? Maga Magascope, but also based in Nigeria. So you can see. I mean, this is because Twitter or X is sort of where the quote unquote elite discourse happens, where people like battle it out in the so called public square. But now you see the people going to battle are literally from other countries that have nothing to do with the United States injecting discourse and propaganda and.

[C]

All kinds of garbage to like that Emiles. John's is famous for sucking up to Elon on Twitter to like, oh yeah, worm his way in. But yeah, I mean, they're all fake. Everybody's, oh, this is a psyop. The whole thing is a sire. Everything.

[B]

Oh yeah, the whole thing. The whole thing is fake. Now we understand.

[C]

And movies and all the things, art, all of them. There's not almost nothing organic around you at all. I don't know if people get it. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But as soon as you put it together, the better Marjorie Taylor Greene can get back in the fight.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I, so what I, if I were to ever ask Elon a question, I'd be like, what happened to the thing where you're talking about getting rid of bots and all this? Like, none of that happened probably because if you get rid of bots, there's probably like 14 users on Twitter. You know, you can't get rid of the bots because that's what's, that's what's driving up all the engagement. Right. He can't post that. Oh, wow, look at X. It's like the most popular app in terms of.

[C]

Same thing with why Roblox Can't. Can't root out all the PDF files because it makes their numbers inflated for their stock price in their investors. So if they clean it up there, it's done the children's thing that just lousy with the worst kind of, like, predators. They can't. And people have independently tried to clean it up and made apps to. To, you know, block them and. And they ruthlessly suppress it because it will ruin their numbers. They're. They all have the same scam. They've got to inflate what they're doing for. In. For private equity. There's, like, one scam in the world. You know the numbers.

[B]

I used to work at this company. This is like, when I was, like, 22, 23 years old, I was working at a call center for this company called Nature Box. And it was like one of those. At the time, it was like a subscription box service. It was like, everything could be a subscription box during that age. And. And they're like, okay, we're about to go into our. Whatever it was Series C funding. So we're gonna, like, give away free boxes, and we're gonna count them as subscribers, and so we can inflate our numbers so they. They sign up for the service. They have to put their credit card in, but the first box is free. And then I was like, yo, when it rebuilds them the second month, are they gonna be, like, pissed off that you kind of scan them? Like, yeah, don't worry about that, you know, because then I have to deal with it. I deal with angry customers all day saying, I didn't sign up for this. And they're like, that's business.

[C]

The whole business was that out of the gate. The whole business was doing that.

[B]

The whole business was, like, trying to get people to forget about the fact that they had a subscription. Yeah. And so there would be days where like, oh, we got to get the subscriber count up. So we're going to remove the cancellation option from the website and force them to call in. It was hilarious. It was like. And they would call in, like, hey, this feature was literally there yesterday. It was on my account yesterday. Not there anymore.

[A]

Like, sorry.

[B]

Yeah, they. They didn't want us. I know. I was one of those people. I was like, dude, I'm sorry, man. This. This whole thing sucks. I'm just gonna refund you, James.

[C]

We need AI to replace you and your little.

[B]

Oh, no. Literally, by the end, by. By. So I quit. But literally, as I was quitting, they were outsourcing the entire team to The Philippines. And I think now. Well, I don't think the company exists anymore but. But I think it's. Then they went to like some kind of like AI like chatbot thing.

[C]

Yeah. Who can you complain to? You can go. You can go yourselves.

[B]

So. So I don't think this feature. I mean, do you think this feature is going to stay. I think this is, you know, this.

[C]

Is not going to work much like every other feature. Once it interferes with somebody important enough, it will go away suddenly.

[A]

Right.

[C]

That's how everything works.

[B]

Or they just. Or they just block them. Because I think. Speaking of Pastor McCoy, I went to check out his. His where he's based. Not even there. He's exempt from this for some reason.

[C]

Oh my, yes. Have you heard his amazing sermons that Ian Carol was playing that they suddenly took?

[B]

I mean I've heard little snippets here and there. I. I wouldn't want. I mean he's like the real life. Somebody said the real life gem. Eli Gemstone. That was my co host.

[C]

Well, that's all based on American psyop. Zionist Christianity, that is.

[B]

And speaking of cloak and dagger, is maha even a real thing at this point? Because the EPA has just approved new pesticides with pfas, the forever chemicals in crops. Okay, let's take a look at what's going on here. The environmental protection Agency, the EPA has approved two new pesticides that contain forever chemicals with plans to authorize more. According to the Washington Post, the pesticides. Not going to pronounce these, but these are the forever chemicals will be used on crops including romaine lettuce, broccoli and potatoes. Just what we need.

[C]

My kids too big. So that's why I want to get some of these chemicals down there. Shrink that tank down to a nice. I don't want them all gen X taints, you know.

[B]

Oh God. Alongside the approvals, the EPA also signaled it intends to relax a rule requiring companies to replace report all products containing pfas. So we won't even know if they're in there. There's no disclosure.

[C]

You shouldn't get to know.

[B]

Informed consent, what is that?

[C]

You know, it's just a way for the rabble to think that they should be able to make decisions if they're not qualified. Are you. Are you a scientist, James? Answer the question. Are you?

[B]

Sorry, no, but I could read. I can, you know, I can read what other scientists have put out there. Anyways. Many floor fluoridated compounds registered or proposed for U. S pesticidal use in recent years. Offer unique benefits for farmers, users and the public. The EPA spokeswoman Bridget Hirsch told the Post.

[C]

I'm sorry, Fluorinated compounds.

[B]

Okay. They offer unique benefits for farmers, users and the public.

[C]

Okay, what's that, two IQ points less every year?

[B]

She noted that the EPA has approved multiple fluorinated pesticides under administrations of both parties. Okay, so they're both.

[C]

So, you know, it's good.

[B]

Okay, so they're both agree.

[C]

So, you know, it's safe.

[B]

This is a bipartisan issue. This, this.

[A]

They.

[B]

They control both parties. Thank you for letting us know. So, yes, Joe Biden also did the same thing, just in case anybody's wondering. And then Crop Life America for pesticide makers praise the move and the EPA's reliance on, quote, unquote, gold standard science.

[C]

Do we really have that here? We science can't even tell us what a woman is in 2025.

[B]

While the EPA said the compounds offer unique benefits, some scientists and watchdog groups warn that much remains unknown. PFAs have previously been linked to several cancers, birth defects, and liver and immune system damage. Exactly what you need in a functioning society. Right? This is all for the big pharma people, right?

[C]

I think those are anti semitic charges that they're making.

[B]

You might be right about that, actually. So just in terms of highlighting the maha accomplishments here or betrayals, Jason Basler says, one, legal immunity for pesticide giants. That's what they've accomplished. Two, fighting to keep fluoride in water. Three, creepy wearable tech agenda. Right? They're trying to say people should wear whatever it might be, the, the oral rings or whatnot, to just track where you are. They're also pushing for MMR measles vaccine and reversing fast forever chemical bands, which is what we just talked about here. So where is, where is RFK Jr. In all this? You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Is he a doctor? I don't know. The View gave. The View gave Cheryl Hines a good hiding on that show.

[B]

Where is RFK junior? Well, because that's. That's one thing. It's like, isn't he supposed to be the guy that's like removing the pesticides and the chemicals and the dyes and everything like that?

[C]

What if they got that poisonous.

[B]

Yeah, he gets, you know, I think he gets wrongly criticized a lot by the mainstream media for being this quack, but this quack, I mean, supposedly he's supposed to be against all this stuff. So how is this happening under his.

[C]

Because that chick is in there, that poisonous person. I don't Understand why she's even there.

[B]

Stephanie Spear. Yeah, I think it's who you're referring to.

[C]

But.

[B]

Okay, so let's listen to Whitney Webb's theory on this as she talks about who's actually in charge of the Trump administration Cabinet.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

My opinion generally is that some figures in the Trump administration were kind of chosen as a PR move and that they're not actually in charge of what they're nominally in charge of. So, like Pete Hegseth, head of the Pentagon, he's kind of a Fox and Friends, you know, he's a TV show host. And the. The deputy director of the Pentagon, Steve Feinberg of Cerberus Capital, is most likely the person actually running the Pentagon. Not in my opinion, and I think that's true also for RFK Jr in charge of HHS. I don't really think he's running. He's just kind of this figure that connected with Trump's base, particularly during the COVID era, and made them think reforms would come. And those reforms haven't really come, but he's kind of there to give the impression that things have changed. But the person behind him, the deputy secretary, is Jim o', Neill, who's a career affiliate of Peter Thiel, who's also the power behind J.D. vance and, you know, a CO. The man that made Palantir what it is. And so, you know, I think it's just a way of sort of masking the people that are actually running stuff. And I think that's probably true, too, of Cash Patel and Don Dan Gino, who were basically out there. You know, they were making the rounds on podcasts and were making these connections and building trust and relationships with the public in Trump's base. But it seems like they're not actually running anything, in my opinion. They're kind of figureheads in a way, and they're willing figureheads, I would say. Yeah, there was that, like, hostage. All right, so basically, it is all fake. Everything is.

[C]

Marjorie didn't want to be fake, too, by the way. Marjorie Taylor Green. That's why she couldn't get along with them.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I think that's. That's 100 spot on. Is that she didn't want to be fake. And if you don't want to be fake, you either remove yourself or they'll remove you. Either by, you know, maybe some. By Electric Hollywood, other. Other more forceful means as well.

[C]

Mom, dummy, what will be fake. That's why they had that nice meeting. Because, mom, dummy.

[B]

He'S playing the game. He's playing the Game. I'll just put it that way.

[C]

If you play the game, you are part of the problem, and that's most of the people that are in the game, you know, that's why.

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, that's why I, I, I can't ever run for office because I'm not going to play the game. I can't even be. I'm barely in media.

[C]

And because your story is wild, dude, because you already had that thing of, like, where you have to decide if you're gonna play the game and be cool or not. Right. So you already had it with a much. I think that's a much deeper thing, your thing, than the average one because of the, the form aspect, you know?

[B]

But let's. Okay, let's take a look at who Jim o' Neill is here. How do I get this on here?

[C]

Let's go.

[B]

All right, so Jim o', Neill, the United States Deputy Secretary of Health and Human Services. He has significant ties to pharmaceutical and biotech industries, of course, including man working as a managing director for Peter Thiel's Mithril Capital and serving on the board of Advantage Therapeutics.

[C]

So, once again, Lord of the Rings, it, you know, this is this Lord of the Rings thing. And I know that they're thinking, that sounds like, I mean, it sounds better than Cerberus Capital, but it's also not good. It's not good.

[B]

I, I mean, I never read Lord of the Rings, so I don't know the references of these names, but.

[C]

Well, Mithril is this armor that Frodo had. He had this chain mail that was hard to penetrate because it was made of Mithril, this mythical. And then Anduro, the drone company. That's that flaming sword, that head. What's his head had. And, and then the palantir was that crystal ball, if you saw the movie, the crystal ball that corrupts everyone who touches it. But in their world, if you read the book, no, only if a bad person touches it. So if a good man like Peter Thiel is working it, it's fine.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway, so this is, I think this is important for the public to know, if they don't already know. This information is, is that the people who Trump has put in charge of these various departments, these cabinet positions, they're not actually the ones in charge. It's the people behind the scenes who are actually running the show.

[C]

If you. Of course. And Trump's not in charge. And Trump is one of them. He's one of the figureheads. As you can see, I'm sure Trump is really cool.

[B]

Well, jd, right. JD is the Peter Teal everybody, second in command has some kind of tie to Peter Thiel.

[C]

Do you think that Peter Thiel made JDV Vance fat in a lab? That's my.

[B]

JD Vance might be made in a lab. I think he's not scrutinized enough. It's like, what.

[C]

It's very bizarre. Three times like a hillbilly from a OxyContin mom who becomes an adult Catholic, is a married to a Hindu is a very strange outcome. And if you look at these faith leaders, and I would go take a look at them because they're connected to tpusa. Oh, and Scientology. Oh, and Mormons. Oh, and the Dominionism. It's all the same, like fake Christianity that's hyper Zionist, insane beyond all means. It's called the New Apostolic Rain Movement. Branham, I can't remember the guy's first name, but Branham. This guy out of Canada, Jim Jones comes out of his network. This guy starts up in Canada. And it's always some con man who I always think is being hooked up with Intel. It's always a con man and intel are a perfect combination. And they set up these networks. And then because it's a network made out of other MLM networks, if somebody turns out to be Jim Jones, it's easy to cut it off. You know, it's a very perfect pyramidal. You know, it's a very good pyramid system we have.

[B]

And this ties. I mean, this ties together with the Charlie Kirk thing is because Charlie Kirk was one of those people who might have had enough power to potentially usurp this whole Peter Thiel, you know. Well, if you're more valuable, that is obviously being planned.

[C]

You know, if Candace, If France was trying to kill Candace Owens, that would be a big mistake on their part because I. I can't imagine her being assassinated right now. Now, Charlie Kirk is interesting because there's only two weeks of them turning on him before he was assassinated. So he still had value because he's running the largest young conservative movement. I mean, this is why he had to go, right? Because he's letting other.

[A]

That's why.

[B]

I mean, he has actual power because you can argue that Candace is really only a media figure, whereas Charlie Kirk was an operator and he was driving out the votes for young Republicans. So he had an actual stake in the apparatus.

[C]

And when you find out how it works, he. See, I didn't give him enough credit. I mocked him relentlessly. Yeah, but I, I didn't have Any concept of what he. The. The Truman show he lived in.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so that guy has a. That's a young dude, man, who's got a lot of stuff weighing on him, who clearly was sincere, because as he's seeing information, he can't just disregard it like he's being told. And that's a test right there. That's one of the initiations to see if you're cool. To get to the next level is ignoring obvious, weird, wrong. Can you do that? Can you turn to blind eye to his Majesty's madness like in that movie? Well, he.

[B]

He came up. The thing is, he came up through this entire ecosystem. You know, he was a Zionist back from the very beginning.

[C]

So they wiped a handler for him is what I bet. I bet. Well, Erica Kirk, who bizarrely ran a Romanian military base orphanage that also was a brothel. It's the most insane thing I've ever heard.

[B]

And it's actually. There's a lot of evidence. Some people say that that's a wild accusation, but it actually looks into it. There's a lot of evidence for that.

[C]

Hey, you know John Benet Ramsey's dad was a Lockheed Martin man, right?

[B]

Well, I did not know that.

[C]

Freemason. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

That tells you a lot more about it, don't it?

[B]

So that's. That's what I'm saying is.

[C]

So.

[B]

Yeah. So Charlie Kirk, he was not just like a culture warrior, you know, arguing with people on campus. He was literally operating this stuff. And you. And when you basically come up through the mob and you decide, I don't want to be a part of the mob anymore, you really. I don't know. It's hard to survive that.

[C]

I've done it many times growing up in my thing, my religion, I walked away from. And I don't give a. I would do at any time, but I'm not. Never been in that high of a. Where I'm at the forefront of a mind war movement that's very important to the powers that be because everybody has to stay in their lane. If you watch Ben Shapiro as you religiously. I watch him. And he. And he'll be like, conspiracy used to be the left, but now the right's doing conspiracies because he's trying to herd the sheep back into their pens. Are you left or right way? I saw a left winger kill Charlie Kirk, and I saw it. No, you didn't.

[B]

And this whole thing. Yeah, this whole thing just tied back to the PFAS story. This whole thing is always just at the end of the day, some kind of psyop to get you to believe in something, to vote for something. Right? The rfk, Junior. The whole thing is to get you on the Trump coalition. And then once you're in, then they gaslight you.

[C]

If you're arrogant like me, and I'm so arrogant and smug and I think when they work for me, literally you're supposed to think. But people don't think that. People are like, my manager fired me. But a manager works for you, you know, you like, like if you don't understand basic like that, they're gonna jujitsu you. On the, on the opposite, like, oh, you're not support, are you not maga, Yo, MAGA don't exist unless I say it does. MAG was supposed to be about the people that live here, not the leaders. And they're not leaders. You just said it. They're managers. They're, you know, the Hulk Hogans and Nikolai Volkovsky.

[B]

These are just tv. And the whole Trump thing is like a made for TV thing. And there's just Reagan.

[C]

It's been like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The first movie star that became the president. And of course he was controlled by Bohem Dart. What do you think people think he was like in charge. I bet his brain went screwy when he stopped doing what they wanted.

[B]

Well, I mean, some, A lot of people said that what the last president who was actually running things was jfk. Basically.

[C]

Not hard to believe because he gave that speech about secret societies. And I, I view it as a condemnation of intel in general, which I do condemn. I don't think they should get to have any. I think they've lost their secret privileges to me. I don't know why anyone accepts the idea they can keep secrets from you ever again after the foul that, you know, they've already done the experiments they did on people, the, the poisons they did on you at home on purpose. They did on purpose to see what it would do to you. That's all you could look up the wars they. Anybody get their dick blown off fighting in Iraq. And now Al Qaeda, ISIS guy is shaking hands with Trump.

[B]

I know.

[C]

Imagine watching that. It bothers me as if my dick had blown off when I see it. I go, why would you believe in this card when you witness that? I'm so. I'm old enough. I saw 911. I remember the trauma based mind control of invading Iraq. Okay? And Al Qaeda's got him now. Cade is bad and there's isis, I guess. No, they're not that Bad because we're cool with them now. And Guantanamo, the prison with Al Qaeda people in it, they're still there. It's still open. Nobody ever forgot about it because there's a country full of morons. How do you sit here and watch this over and over again and still go to a hockey game or a baseball game or go vote or go. How do you still do that? Are you all.

[B]

What else can you do? What else can you do other than what.

[C]

I just run my mouth like an. And I chew my pipe like this.

[B]

You just kind of give up anyways.

[C]

Give up. I never believed in this. I'm from a doomsday cult, my friends.

[B]

What else?

[C]

You guys are alive still.

[B]

You beat people into submission. Basically.

[A]

Just always tell the truth.

[C]

Be a snitch, be a snitch, be a snitch. Break your oaths of secrecy. Whatever you have, break the oath and be a snitch. And tell everybody. The only way we get out of this is if you, punk, stop keeping secrets for people. The only way out is to yip, yip, yip, yip. Run your mouth. So all the snitches that everybody don't like. What, do you have Stockholm syndrome? I'm not in the Mafia. I love the Mafia. I love Sammy the Bull. Good for you, brother. Tell all the. Why is that allowed to exist? Everybody's gonna stop being a punk.

[A]

All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Jimmy Dore Show. I'm your guest host, Chris Keane. I'm here with Kurt Metzger. Donald Trump says Democrats are traitors for telling military not to follow unlawful orders. The president said lawmakers who appeared in a video committed seditious behavior and should be arrested and put on trial for treason. President Donald Trump on Thursday called for the arrest of Democratic lawmakers who publicly exhorted members of the U.S. military and intelligence communities to disobey any orders they perceived to be illegal seditious behavior. Behavior at the highest level is what Trump is calling this in an online post. The threats came in response to a video released Tuesday of six Congress members with military or intelligence experience who cautioned that threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. It was not immediately clear which orders concerned the lawmakers, but some representatives have said they are hearing from service members questioning the legality of strikes that have targeted people that Trump administration alleges are trafficking narcotics by sea. So I assume they're talking about these strikes in Venezuela. Yeah, I don't think that's the first time the The US has bombed targets in other countries illegally, but here we go.

[B]

Alyssa Slotkin.

[A]

Senator Mark Kelly. Representative Chris d'. Aluzio. Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander. Representative Chrissy Houlihan. Congressman Jason Crow.

[B]

I was a captain in the United.

[A]

States Navy, former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and Army Ranger, former intelligence officer, former Air Force. We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community.

[B]

Who take risks each day to keep Americans safe.

[A]

We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now. Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.

[B]

No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.

[A]

We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant.

[C]

But whether you're serving in the CIA.

[A]

The army, or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

[B]

And know that we have your back. Because now, more than ever, the American people need you.

[A]

We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution, and who we are as Americans. Don't give up.

[B]

Don't give up.

[A]

Don't give up.

[C]

Don't give up.

[A]

The ship. I love the John Williams score behind that video. I. What? I don't understand the point of this video. You can refuse illegal orders. No shit. Doesn't everyone know that? Do we need a video about that? I don't understand what the point of this was other than to like Virtue Signal. But here we have Donald Trump. It's called seditious behavior at the highest level. Each one of these traitors to our country should be arrested and put on trial. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. We won't have a country anymore. An example must be set. Seditious behavior punishable by death. So we have the President of the United States threatening to kill members of our government.

[C]

Except Jonathan Pollard, right?

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Yeah, that guy's fine, but these guys have to go. Apparently, Trump's response. Elicit. Elicit. I mean, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. Trump's response elicited a swift rebuke from Democrats at a moment of pitch tensions over rhetoric seen as encouraging political violence, which became a focus of the administration after the killing in September of of Charlie Kirk. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters he had alerted U.S. capitol Police to the potential for threats against the makers of the video, which was organized by Alyssa Slotkin of Michigan. I would hope that people of all backgrounds would agree that threatening death for people you disagree with is beyond the pale for. For who we are as Americans. I can't believe this even has to be said. How are we at a point in our country where we have to say something like that, that threatening death on fellow Americans is a bad thing? White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt said Thursday that Trump was not suggesting violence against the makers of the video.

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Caroline. This morning, President Trump accused six Democratic.

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Lawmakers of seditious behavior punishable by death.

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Just to be clear, does the President want to execute members of Congress?

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No. Let's be clear about what the President is responding to, because many in this room want to talk about the President's response, but not what brought the President to responding in this way. You have sitting members of the United States Congress who conspired together to organize, orchestrate a video message to members of.

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The United States military, to active duty.

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Service members, to members of the national security apparatus, encouraging them to defy the President's lawful orders.

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What?

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I don't understand this. It wasn't lawful or. They weren't saying lawful orders. They were saying unlawful. They were saying, you can deny orders that are unlawful, not lawful. So I don't understand that.

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You see how she introduced in the b. She goes. They were conspiring to commit. To make a video, right?

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Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I don't. I don't get it. These members knew what they were doing. Levitt added, calling the message they were sending very dangerous and perhaps punishable by loss. So saying that you should not do. Saying you should not break the law is punishable by law.

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Apparently, that is true. I don't got you there.

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Okay. I'm not a lawyer. I'll leave that to the Department of Justice and the Department of War to decide, she said, going on to say that every single order that is given to this military by this commander in chief and through this command, chain of command, through the Secretary of War is lawful.

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I got a question. How come there's not other people executed from his last term when he told me to take troops out of Syria or take. Stop doing this, and that they just didn't do it. What? That. That sedition right there that we know about, that the Republicans supposedly know about?

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That's right.

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Where's the executions? Yeah, like, yo, hey, he wants people in Congress. I want people in Congress executed. He ain't gonna do that.

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Right? If you disobey an order and it's a positive thing, I guess. I don't know. Traditionally, the US Military adheres to the Uniform Code of Military justice, which holds that service members must obey lawful orders whether they agree with them or not. Lawful orders. We seem. There seem to be a discrepancy here. They are obligated to not follow manifestly unlawful orders. But such situations are rare and legally fraught. Members of the military take on an oath to the Constitution, not the President. Now, if they're going to make that video, why don't they specify what they're talking about? Like what laws are. What unlawful orders are you talking about? Because I don't even understand what it is exactly they were going after in that video. Are they talking about. About ICE raids? Are they talking about bombing in Venezuela?

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I was gonna ask you. I. I didn't know. I thought I missed it.

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Yeah, I don't really get it. I. I just think it's. If you hate Trump, then you just go, yeah, let's stop the unlawful orders.

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Without just, you know, the CIA framed. He got impeached because of bullshit from the CIA and all that. Why aren't those people executed? I'm down. Yeah, why aren't they? It's all. I mean, this is our nonsense all the time, dude.

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Yes. And here we have. This is the loyalty to the Constitution. The United States boldly broke with the ancient military custom of swearing loyalty to a leader. Article 6 required that American officers thereafter swear loyalty to our basic law, the Constitution. While many other nations have suffered military coups, the US Never has. Our American code of military obedience required.

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JFK should.

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Should order.

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When they took over and they killed jfk. Right. Dumb faces.

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All right, someone get curta sedative. He's losing it. Our American code of military obedience requires that should orders in the law ever conflict, our officers must obey the law. Many other nations have adopted our principle of loyalty to the basic law. This nation must have military leaders of principle and integrity so strong that their oaths to support and defend the Constitution will unfailingly govern their actions. The purpose of the US Military is to provide such leaders of. Of character. On the Senate floor, Schumer called on every representative, every American, regardless of party, to condemn this immediately and without qualification. Because if we don't draw a line here, there is no line left to draw. I agree that it should be condemned to. When you're threatening death upon your fellow Americans, I wish they would do that. On both sides that no one. You know, there were a lot of people that wouldn't condemn it when Charlie Kirk got killed. And now we have the President threatening death.

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I'd like to know what they were getting at. I'm still. I still understand how thing where we. Nobody knows what they were talking about at least be.

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Yes. I don't get but to me that's why it just seems like this virtue signaling thing of just see we're gonna speak out against Trump and if you hate him, you can get on board. If you don't like him, you'll get mad that you're not actually. This isn't actually helpful. It's not going to accomplish any. Anything.

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Is it a real no Kings rally?

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Yeah, it's kind of like a no Kings protest. It's like, well, what is the purpose here? What are you trying to say? Get specific. I didn't. In a joint statement, members of House Democratic leadership condemned what they referred to as the President's disgusting and dangerous death threats against members of Congress. House Speaker Mike Johnson on Thursday told reporters that he could not even believe that this is a controversy. It's apparently. This is not surprising to Mike called leaders in Congress to do. To encourage young troops to disobey or I mean think of what the threat that is to our national security and what it means to our institutions. I just. We have got to raise the bar in Congress. This is out of control and is wildly inappropriate. And for a senator like Mark Kelly or any member of Congress in the House or Senate to be engaged in that kind of talk is. Is to me just so beyond the pale. I'm not going to say.

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Mr. Speaker, can you comment on this?

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It's beyond the pale to say don't obey unlawful orders. But again, both sides of this just seem idiotic to me. The people that are.

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Yeah, people Passing a resolution to condemn Schindler from Schindler's List.

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The video marked the latest Democratic effort to focus public attention on orders the President have delivered to the US Military that have triggered legal concerns or disputes. Discussions that recently have centered on the administration's string of military strikes on alleged drug smugglers on boats in Latin America. Why didn't you say that in the video? If you're talking about what's happening in Venezuela, say that administration officials have argued such action is legal because those involved are acting as narco terrorists.

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Oh, come on. We all see clear and present danger. Even Tom Clancy.

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Right.

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That dickhead had a whole book about how don't you shouldn't do that?

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Yeah. I mean, this is typical. To me, this is typical regime change, war type stuff. Stuff which both parties are usually totally cool with.

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But is that why they didn't want to be specific? Because they do the same thing?

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Exactly. I have a feeling that is true. Critics have questioned whether designating drug cartels as terrorist organizations is sufficient legal grounds for the killings. Some US Military officials have sought counsel about whether such orders are legal. The Trump administration also has deliberated openly about extending those strikes into Venezuelan territory in an escalation that would prompt legal questions. While the US has for years launched strikes on armed groups it considers a threat to national security, it is typically cited a legal authorization created after the Al Qaeda terrorist attacks on September 11th. Venezuelan officials and cartels have no known ties to such groups. But Iraq did, apparently. While Trump. While Trump has repeatedly accused different groups and individuals of treason going back to his first presidential term, he did not follow through with many threats. They don't say, here we have some. Now, I can't stand people with Trump derangement syndrome, but we also have people with Trump worship syndrome.

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It sounds like the same syndrome to me.

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Yeah, it's basically the same thing. And this is what we have here, these people cheering this on. Hang them. George Washington would sedition, insurrection, treason.

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Why do they have the Templar Cross above there?

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I don't know. Washington State, I have no idea. And here we go. Sedition activities affecting armed forces generally criminalizes knowingly advising, counseling, or urging any member of the US Military to disobey, desert, and refuse lawful orders. Again, lawful is the key word there.

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Remember, they made it legal to do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want.

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Well, that's. Yeah, that's a whole other topic. Exactly what is the punishment for sedition? It carries a penalty of imprisonment for up to 20 years.

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Yeah, I'm not sure. Israeli.

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Here we have issuing a manifestly unlawful order is a crime. So is carrying it out. Here are common examples of unlawful orders targeting or harming civilians in order.

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Oh, you're going to be anti Semitic now. And read this.

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Right, right. Torturing or abusing detainees. Gee, I can't think of any time the US has done that.

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Not a single one.

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We would never have. Yeah, we would never have an entire prison dedicated to that.

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Did the Hotel Hanoi put John McCain in a gay pyramid? I don't think they did. Did they?

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Right, right. And then we have using military force in violation of constitutional law, for instance, in order to use military to oppress US civilians. Now, this sounds crazy, but I would argue the military does oppress US civilians because we spend a trillion dollars on it every year while there's people living on the street. There's 35 million people living in poverty, half a million homeless people. Well, yet we spend a trillion dollars on the military. How is that not oppressing US civilians?

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How about when they run a weird drone operation over while the fire is going in California? Everybody has to speculate and go nutty about it. And they go, oh, that was just a test. Well, they were testing on civilians. That's what they do with your money. They test new stuff on you, see how you'll react.

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Yeah. So, I mean, the US Is not innocent of many of these things on this list here. Uh, overall, I just feel like both sides, as usual, are being morons. Um, I don't really understand what the Democrats are trying to do here. If you're gonna make a critique, make it specific, talk about something real, and actually introduce something that's gonna change something. Don't make this virtue signaling video. And then on the, on the. With Trump, I mean, threatening to kill people because they disagree with you politically is incredibly dangerous, as we've seen numerous times in our.

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Look, they're trying to make political hay out of something that they're going to also be guilty of if they're in his place.

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Exactly.

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And that's a very nuanced, tricky line to walk. So you got to try to get the emotion without any of the substance of like, oh, don't worry, we won't do that because they're going to also do that. You have to just be mad that Trump did it. So how do I get you to feel that way? Identity politics. Some appeal to movies you've seen. I don't know. It's tough stuff.

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Yes.

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Give them a break, man. They're doing their best.

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Don't freak out.

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Don't freak out. Don't freak out. Not freak out.

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I'm not kidding.

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Do not do that. Do not freak out.